Jan. 17, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST
Exactly what they should have done with Harry Potter. I dig the films, but man, that so would have been the way to go. Sorry, totally off topic. Er, frist!
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST
almost everyone dies
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST
by voodoo lou
I am currently reading the 5th book and absolutely love this series! the detail involved is incredible and i am wondering how much they are going to have to cut out to fit it into a tv series! All though i do feel good about the fact that it is HBO who will be taking up control!!
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST
seeing LotR once was enough for me, thank you.
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...Carnivale and Deadwood because they are 'too expensive' and they need the money for Rome and final season (sucktastic so far) Sopranos, then they cancel Rome, because it's too expensive, and instead they choose to make this, which is going to be every bit as expensive as Rome, if not more so. What fucking numeral autistic is running HBO anyhow?<p>I mean, yeah, this could be cool, but you know it's going to be cancelled in one, maybe two years because, say it with me now, it's too expensive. <p>HBO, either work within practical budgets for your shows so that you can actually keep the damn things running if they turn out to be quality tv, or else cancel some of your shittier content to make the budget available for these more expensive, but high quality, shows. But this whole run a quality expensively produced show, build an audience, cancel, get another quality expensive show running, build an audience, cancel, repeat cycle has gotta end.
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:22 a.m. CST
Where are you?
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST
As for Song of F and I, I gave them a try but really started to hate them after reading the first couple. Limped through the third one before giving up in frustration. I actually think a TV version would work better for me, but maybe I'd still be depressed by the whole turgid mess and the constant jumping around to too many different unappealing characters. I'd read them quite happily if they just focused on the guys defending the giant wall of ice against the undead threat in the North (which seemed to me like it was always going to become the most important plot thread by the end anyway, though I could be wrong, not having finished them), but I couldn't care less for which of the various miserable twats fighting over the crown was actually going to win power.
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST
"Go Fuck Yourself" with The Word.
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST
In order for this to be made into a series the story lines will have to be cut to ribbons. There are so many (literally) dead ends and multi layered threads and characters that if you don't have a score card to follow along you'll be lost after the third episode. Martin is starting to look like Robert Jordan with his stream of consciousness writing style that really doesn't know where the hell he's going. I gave up on Jordan long ago and I'll give Martin a while longer as he can spin a good yarn, but really, this can be some pretty self indulgent stuff.
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST
This series is absolutely brilliant. It is the best fantasy ever written, bar none. I have always hoped it would get an HBO style treatment, but never seriously thought it night happen. This is awesome news. For the previous bitching posters, please kill yourselves.
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST
I have no other words.
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...Half way through, if it even makes it that far. HBO, they seduce you then they fuck you then they seduce you then they fuck you some more. Fuckers are getting as bad as the commercial networks in their own way. <p>I'm a little bitter, can you tell?
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST
I've just read the first book, fantastic stuff. Get Warwick Davis to play The Imp.
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST
I remember a recent comment from myself asking for an HBO´s A Song of Ice and Fire.
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST
I've been wanting either this or the Wheel of Time to show up in TV form for a long time now (there's a lot of haters, but the epic quality and immersiveness of RJ's work can't be rivaled)...but a live action adaptation seems impractical for a hundred reasons. I'm glad HBO is taking a stab at it, because it if works it might open the door for other great things...but why don't people make really adult level cartoons about this kind of stuff. It seems like no one wants to do anything in animation aimed for adults that isn't anime in style or story...and that seems like a huge untapped market to me. I dream of animated TV versions of fantasy works with HBO quality scripts and production...
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:27 a.m. CST
anyway, we want Ron Pearlman for Sandor Clegane!
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST
Terry Goodkind's "Sword of Truth" novels. (You can read the announcement on Terry Goodkind's website). I sent a letter to Harry a few months ago about it, apparently, he likes George R.R. Martin better. The problem with both of these projects it they are HUUUGGGEEEE. Neither can survive T.V. and are too long for a movie. I love both series. Both are tremendous properties. But Sword of Truth is on it's 10th? book and Fire and Ice is on it's fourth - many storylines, albiet quite interesting, have no end in sight. I'll tune in for either of these, however, I have very little hope they can be fully realized. Take it easy all,
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:40 a.m. CST
Finally, my dream has come true. An HBO produced series of ASOIAF. I only now need to hear that George R. R. Martin is personally scripting many of the episodes (he was a screenwriter) and I will have officially preemptively blown my load.
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST
Both Fire and Ice and Sword of Truth have great first novels, however, the big wars, etc. don't really occur till later, so initially, budgets shouldn't be a big problem. I have a feeling the series' will be canceled before we can get to the "big" stuff. The novels from both series are great fun. Check them out. Both are incredibly violent. Veeerrrrry violent. Not sure if the average T.V. viewers are ready.
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST
Turns out I should read the articles better. My dream is already a reality. I'm just so happy... <p> What's next, Alfonso Cuaron to direct the Neon Genesis Evangelion films? Watchmen to become a miniseries? Why are you being kind to me God? <p> Oh... oh no no no... I call already tell that I'm gonna pay for this in karmic dues. It's gonna happen isn't it?! YOU HOLLYWOOD FUCKTARDS ARE GOING TO REMAKE 2001 AND ADD "SCARY ALIENS" AND MAKE HAL SOME UBERCOMPLEX CGI PIECE OF SHIT AND MICHEAL BAY IS GONNA DIRECT AND MY CHILDHOOD WILL BE LOCKED IN THE CELLAR AND RAPED DAILY FOR TEN YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST
Let's not forget the rampant graphic sex Ice and Fire. That said, how the heck are they gonna show that dude eating his own nuts in Wizard's First Rule?
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST
now only if HBO would take over BSG (hmmmm... HD galactica... hmmmm...), get on with the preacher, revive firefly/serenity and make proper new Night Stalker series, and I would buy their stocks. and yes, I know that CGI Darren McGavin would be kinda expensive, but it would also be totally worth it. :p
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:53 a.m. CST
Goodkind is a talentless hack, he blew his artistic load in his first novel and every one since then has become more pat and cliche'd. GRRM is a genius. however many people cant get past his non-traditional style , i.e. no good or evil, just shades of grey. Also I'm sick of hearing people whine about the novels going off track with the political intrigue and shenanigans. THEY ARE THE POINT OF THE NOVELS!! the giant wall of ice and the 'others' aren't the thrust of the story at all.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST
by Judge Dreadful
Outstanding news! Very, very good! Now start making the damn episodes already. Everybody go buy Game of Thrones right now and get reading.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST
by B Arthur
First of all, this is a cool idea and I hope it works out. That being said, how is this going to work? Not only story-wise, but everything else. Film in Vancouver? 100-150 million dollar budget to do it right. Over a period of 7 seasons? So HBO is willing to shell out close to, or right around a BILLION dollars to see this production through??? I want to see it succeed but this is quite a project.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... I just read A GAME OF THRONES recently for the first time. Loved it. Lovedlovedloved it. <P>And hats off to Martin, Benioff, and Weiss. I thought as I read it that only a maxi-series of sorts could ever hope to do the book justice. Color me cautiously excited by the material as well as the talent involved. Could be something great.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST
Wild Cards would have been the better series. Much more adult take on superheroes and could have had nudity.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST
Scifi gets a Diamond Age mini. Maybe more Stephenson stuff will jump to different media.
Jan. 17, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST
I hope they don't cop out with the battles like Rome. I want it to look like money has been spent on this thing. If each LOTR film could be made for $93 million each then there's no reason it shouldn't. HBO spent $125 million on Band of Brother and $100 million on Rome, I don't see any reason why this couldn't be a huge production. The line between TV and Film is getting more and more blurred.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... I was surprised to hear that Stephenson's writing the script for the DIAMOND AGE mini-series himself. Maybe if it does well, he'll adapt SNOW CRASH finally.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST
Sandor Clegane, but who will play his giant crazy brother? Ice of Fire IS the Best books of epic fantsy today. I´m rereading it right now from a games of thrones. Can´t wait for the fifth book. Yeah I agree, brolly, that they need to put a lot of money into it, if it´s gonna recapture the vastness of the books. I´m thinking about the ice wall in the north, all the castles, and the huge naval battle in the second book, not to speak of the 3 baby dragons and when they grow up.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST
It will be interesting to see how these play out on screen. As much as I would like to see this, I too think it might be a bit too ambitious and come off lame. You know, everybody compares these to Jordan and Goodkind, but honestly there is very little fantasy in these--they are definately more about interrelationships and politics of a middle age like society. Fantasy takes a back seat here, unlike in Goodkind or Jordan where magic and the like is center stage. I think they are all great in their own way, however if we must have comparison, in my opinion Goodkind is the easiest to follow becuase of the limited characters and shorter times between books. Not alot of shock value though because you know Good will triumph Evil. Jordan's world is the most original and deep and easy to get into at the beginning--then he added hundreds of characters and convuluted the story--and it is way too long between books, (no one can remember what the heck was happening) and you are dying for him to get back to the big three. Martin's novels are the best executed character-wise (and you enjoy reading about most of them), but are not great actioners, you have to really love the intrigue and plotting. Anyways, that's my opinion. Still have two more Song books to read, and then to wait for the next one, and Jordan's book and then Goodkind. Out here.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST
I don't know how it will be possible to turn this story (where MANY of the protagonists are children) into a series but I'm glad they're giving it a try. These are, hands down, my favorite fantasy books ever. HBO I LOVE YOU!
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST
Now I have to read this. *sigh* I have to RE-read (again x4) all of WoT so I can finally pick up and read Knife of Dreams, I have to pick up Darkly Dreaming Dexter, and now I have to actually finally start (again x5) Game of Thrones. Oh, not to mention a little book called The Dark Tower. Which I've owned since day one and literally had no time to read. Too much fantasy, so little time. I need one of those speed reading courses...
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST
COULD SOMEONE WHO OPTIONS WHEEL OF TIME ACTUALLY FUCKING MAKE IT PLEASE?! God DAMN, I am so sick of hearing that someone bought the rights to Eye of the World only to find out that absolutely nothing happened with it.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST
just like NEUROMANCER. Outdated and picked clean by countless films and comics (as well as actual innovators, designers, etc.) that stole from them. There's no way either of these will ever get filmed except maybe in 50 years as a sort of "retro" period piece. And if DIAMOND AGE has the same lavish production values as EARTHSEA... Yeah, you can see where I'm going with this. Fuck SciFi!
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST
Characters like Bran, Arya, Sansa, etc. go through 4 novels (so far) and only age a couple of years. I wonder how they're planning to pull this off with the TV series spanning much more actual time than that?
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST
She's a 12-year-old-girl who, in the first book, gets ravaged by her adult barbarian husband. They're going to HAVE to make her older.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST
by Judge Dreadful
He actually makes slow, sweet love to his teen bride. I can't believe how awesome this HBO news is. Whatever the DVD sets cost, I must own 'em. I'm on this like fleas on a direwolf.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST
Yeah, whatever. We're still talking about a child with an adult. I'm just curious has to how HBO will handle that. Will they make Danni older or will they cut that element of the story out altogether?
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST
Not that it isn't a great idea, but Martin needs to finish the series first. I'm tired of waiting 2 or 3 years for the next book in the series to come out. Now that he'll be writing the screenplay, too, it will take forever to get the next books!!!
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
This is awesome news! I read the Variety article, but it didn't say when they start shooting. Wow, this should be a HUGE headline on the homepage. I read the first three and part of the fourth, but now I am waiting until he finishes the whole thing before I start reading again. There are just too many characters to remember when there is a one to two year gap between books. This is freakin' awesome. Somebody's gotta eat...or somebody cheats on somebody with a beer, or something.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST
"he actually makes slow, sweet love to his teen bride" Don´t remember the exact words, but they only communicate with "yes" and "no" he asks her "no?" and she answers "yes", meaning yes he can fuck her now. And after that he rides her (Martin´s words every night until she can´t walk. George r.r. Martin is the best and the very best characters are Jon, Danni and Tyrion. To those who say there is not much fantasy I say, If you want child wizards running around with wands and on stage magic with force like powers (Robert Jordan), then don´t read a song of ice and fire.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST
This is really good news for fantasy/s.f. fans in general. I like Martin's series, and I'm excited to see it turned into a TV series. However, I think the most "filmable" s.f. series ever written is Donaldson's Gap series. It's got the best characters, the most intricate plot (complex, but not needlessly complex--it broadens the scope in a logical manner, then clamps shut with a tight, explosive climax), plenty of sex and violence, the best space battles you've ever seen, and an entirely unique alien threat. If you haven't read it, treat yourself to the best adult s.f. ever written. It is character-driven, not technology-driven. Start with The Real Story. Come back after book 5 and back me up! This must be filmed!
Jan. 17, 2007, 9 a.m. CST
Not trying to start trouble, but most of the people who come to this site are fantasy-sci-fi-adventure geeks, me included. Now, we hear that one of the best networks out there (HBO) is making one of the best-loved fantasy series around, we start complaining about how are they going to do it? Or, hey they won't finish it? And they better have enough money to do it right? Me, on the other hand, is saying woohoo. I mean we should appreciate that a network like HBO is even doing it, and not SciFi Channel. Earthsea anyone? You gotta give HBO credit for at least looking in the direction of these types of books and films. Who else is doing it? We need more of this kind of thinking from networks. I'll be watching, even if they don't finish the series, it's still damn exciting. HBO gotta eat.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST
Who's going to play Cersei? ;-)
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST
Whoever she is, she's got to be MEGA hot. And we know from Rome, HBO won't shy away from the incest angle.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST
First my man Garth Ennis gets some sweet HBO love, and now this. Even if HBO does what they tend to do and cancel these possible gems after a couple seasons, we will at least get some pretty awesome TV out of it. Gotta hand it to them for even taking these risks in the first place.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST
Are you new to this site? These douchy fucks will complain about anything through mouthfuls of nacho cheese pretzel combos.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST
This is awesome. If you visit http://asoiaf.westeros.org and look back years on fan discussions on making a TV series out of these books, you'll see the overwhelming conclusiong that only a book-a-season would work, only on HBO, and only written by Martin. I must be dreaming.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST
After Rome's heavy overtones of Patrick O'Brian stylings, I have some serious hope for an adult, exciting adaptation of the Song of Ice and Fire. I mention O'Brian and Rome because that is exactly where I wonder about a Martin adaptation: Who can a series like this commit to as vicarious audience members? With the novels you have a mature and consistent narrative voice, but with a film (or filmic adaptation) you almost certainly want a Claudius or an Agent Cooper to connect through. Am I being brainwashed by narrative tradition, or will this need to be very cleverly written and competently put together not to seem hopelessly distant?
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST
LOL, that's funny. No, I've been coming here for years but don't often post. I knew it was pointless to complain about whiners, but I had to anyway. Your image of fanboys eating mouthfuls of nacho cheese pretzel combos while complaining is fraking funny.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST
"...How would you like to die, Tyrion son of Tywin?" "In my own bed, with a belly full of wine and a maiden's mouth around my cock, at the age of eighty," he replied.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST
This is going to kick so much ass. I can't wait to see these stories on film.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST
"Hear my words, and bear witness to my vow. Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no land, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST
i love this series. in fact it's probably my favorite fantasy series...GRRM is such a bastard because no one is safe...i swear at him as much as i praise him as he takes whomever he wishes off with the stranger. HBO better not fuck this one up. how will they ever cast brienne? who is sleaziest enough to play littlefinger? and for some reason i'd like to see peter o'toole play someone slimy that i hate...i.e...good old lord frey.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST
I'm so sorry man... hope you get better soon, hang in there.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST
Oh Christ, imagine if they have flashbacks... WHO THE FUCK COULD EVER PLAY RHAEGAR?
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST
yeah...in middle of book 3 was definately one of the times i swore that if i ever met GRRM in an alley i'd make him pay. other times of me wishing him bodily harm include a little scene involving that little shit joffrey and his "pardoning" skills involving a dear hand. but yep, GRRM don't mess about for sure.
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST
by Wed Vid Guy
"Fire and Ice". It was the bomb when I was a kid.
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST
Yeah, this is "Ice and Fire". The casual fans who take a look at episode 1 of season one, and find a certain set of twins in the sack together are gonna wonder just what the hell they are watching...
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST
"I am a Direwolf, and I am done with wooden teeth. "Valar morghulis. "Mercy was for this morning. Before they made me angry.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST
casting Daenrys ? I think I would make a good Khal Drogo. I envision Dany being played by Willa Holland or one of the chicks from Hannah Montana.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST
to the dude who mentioned the Sword of Truth being on book 10 ... check yourself. Goodkind is on his 10th rewrite of the same book. I don't know how anyone made it past Book 1 of that pony-tailed freak's dreck. George RR Martin's books are absolutely fabulous and the only downside of this news is that it will slow down the already intermindable pace at which Martin is writing the books. Look at Robert Jordan - dude has spent 16 years writing a series and now his health might prevent him from ever finishing. Martin's a fabulous writer, but certainly not the picture of health.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST
is there a "little person" actor around who wouldn't salivate at the chance to play Tyrion. Quite possibly one of the best roles ever written, and it's for a dwarf ? Marvelous. That's got Emmy written over it for sure.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST
by Fount of Useless Info
I tried reading this series when it first came out, but just wasn't in the mood to be so freaking depressed. Maybe I'll try again. <p>On a different note, I agree with the people saying that the Wheel of Time should be turned into a series, but really at this point shouldn't we be more concerned with whether or not Jordan manages to finish the series. He may be recovering, but amyloidosis is serious stuff.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST
a/k/a "The Mountain that Rides". Isn't it obvious ? "I'm a humongous sadistic giant, BROTHER"
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST
by The Decider
This is the best news I've heard in a long time!
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST
by Liberty Valance
Watch Showtime option King's opus as a rival fantasy series. For us fans, that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Props to HBO for taking on this Herculean task and adapting Ice & Fire as a series as it should. Looks like there will be a reason to subscribe to HBO aside from Entourage after The Sopranos and Deadwood lie moldering in the grave. John From Cincinnati can suck the Cock From My Pants.
Jan. 17, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST
I think he would be perfect. Very excited about this news.
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
This project will be like every dish ever prepared on Iron Chef served at once. Hope HBO has a good vomitorium ready.
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST
First of all, hope for the Dark Tower series ended with books 5, 6, and 7. King absolutely ruined a wonderful series. Would have been better to leave it unresolved. Secondly...why the hatred for John from Cincinnati?? Milch + Ed O'Neill?!? I'm already high on it.
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST
by Lezbo Milk
I have had a fantasy and in that fantasy I've been able to watch this set of epic books done in a format that serves it justice...and that's a multi-year series. This news, if true, is so fucking absolutely cool, I just might have to pass out right here and now. Ok I'm back. That's over with. These books are fucking great, and unlike others I find Martin has suffered none of the lack of focus and rambling exposition that plauged Jordans series after the The Great Hunt. These books are a pure pleasure from start to finish. Yes they are complicated but if you've half a brain they are easy to follow. Complexity is not a bad thing when the drama and motivations are real. There will be some very critical aspects of this book that HBO will have to nail, the first that comes to mind is The Imp. I have no fucking clue who HBO could get to play Tyrion Lannister, it is such a fucking great roll and I'm thinking there is no "little person" actor out there with the acting chops to pull it off...maybe they can discover some unknown talent? The age of the kids will be an issue too. I think some of them, such as Daenerys Targaryen will have to be a bit older for modern societies sensibilities. I think the Stark boys may have to be a bit older too, or they will lack the believability in battle (ala Narnia anyone?) God, that's what I love about this book though, it's written for adults. How many fantasy books (at least one set in a Tolkien like universe) have foul language, ultra violent battles and fucking? Virtually none. Jesus this is great news! This just made my fucking day!
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST
by Dr. Anonymous
I love these books so damn much it's ridiculous. First, I was obsessed with Lord of the Rings; then it was Robert Jordan's series, The Wheel of Time; and now I'm in love with Song of Ice and Fire. His novels are unlike any fantasy series I've ever read before: 1) There's sex. That almost never happens in fantasy. 2) Swearing. Interesting. 3) He does not hesitate to kill off important characters. 4) This is the best thing I love about Martin: You can never, ever predict the plot. He adds so many twists and turns that you can never anticipate what will happen or who it will happen to. This is going to be amazing. These books + Martin doing the screen writing + HBO = possibility for the best fantasy epic on film of all time. Do you all remember the dwarf who played Marlow on Nip/Tuck? He'd be perfect for Tyrion.
Jan. 17, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST
Sounds interesting, though.
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST
by Liberty Valance
I would concede that Wolves of the Calla was the weakest of the series--700 pages of buildup to a banal 20-page battle. Song of Susannah was bizarre but satisfying if you buy into King's trippy self-involvement (which I did), and The Dark Tower was a superb resolution. As for JFC, I'm bitter that Deadwood was forcibly concluded against Milch's grand design and its replacement is a show about surfers of all things. I live in SoCal and 90% of the surfers I know are self-important jagoffs. I will never watch that crap.
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST
Carnivale anyone? Deadwood? (I won't throw Rome in there, since they were told of cancellation early enough that they can at least try to give the fans some closure) Why is HBO attracted to amazing series that they cannot afford to make? These books are too huge and complex for HBO to actually allow it to become something big and finish the storyline. I'm sure it will be an amazing production that will leave us all hanging in mid-stream. I will personally guarantee it.
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST
...but I am almost certain it will be cancelled within 2 years. I have read A game of thrones and it's pretty great. Also, whoever said that crap about Harry Potter please go away, the books do not justify a HBO TV series they are good books, but don't have enough to fill out a full series.
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST
now that I've had a chance to digest. First off, I remember watching an interview with George Lucas when he said basically he was doing one more "movie" (IJ4), and after that he was devoting all his time to TV because that's where the future was. Guess what ? He's right. BSG, HBO, Heroes - how much more proof do we need that consumers will support good Sci-Fi in episodic formats ? The reduction in CGI and effects costs, combined with the increased budgets allowed by the fact these series can make fortunes on DVD and tie-ins just means we get better and better product. Yay for us. And LOTR proved that fantasy can be done - and done well - and will be received by a large audience. If they do this right, I predict it will be a huge critical success, as the source material is absolutely flawless. Then again, if they stick to the source material, it will also be the most violent, sexual, crass thing on tv. Hehe.
Jan. 17, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST
HBO needs to STICK with it. Just like they USED to do. If they are fearing big budget shows they need to really think each project through before signing it, because we all get hooked on them and nothing sucks more than having your favorite show cancelled early. *cough* Rome *cough* Deadwood!!!!
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST
On His "Not a Blog" page: http://grrm.livejournal.com/
Jan. 17, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST
by Quin the Eskimo
is Rome really cancelled? tear..
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Holy shit, greatest news ever! Direwolves, Others, Faceless Men, the Night's Watch v. Mance Rayder, sky cells, the Moon Door, Dothraki, Battle of the Blackwater, Red Wedding! And of course the two greatest characters ever, Tyrion & Dolorous Edd Tollet! "In the end, Tywin Lannister did not, in fact, shit gold." We probably wont see Season 1 til 2010 or 11 but damn it'll be fun following the updates. "You know nothing, Jon Snow."
Jan. 17, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST
by Quin the Eskimo
affectionate brute of a man
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST
Just kidding. The Sword of Truth series if just plain fun. The Song of Fire and Ice series is pure poetry. Some of the best writing I've ever seen. When I finished the third book I was in utter amazement at the depth of writing. However, the fourth was fairly stagnant. As for the Sword of Truth, if Sam Raimi is involved, I'm interested. And to theoneofblood - I had forgotten about the guy eating his own nuts till my wife (who just finished the first book and is starting the second) looked at me when she read that and said, "Awesome". I think I fell in love with her all over again. So, no matter what series you line up behind (Fire and Ice, Sword of Truth, Wheel of Time) it's a great time to love fantasy. Peace out.
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Ron Perlman is Sandor. Even GRRM has said this. Peter Dinklage is Tyrion, he's a lil too old and not ugly enough, but if they can make Charlize Theron look ugly (sort of), they can make him Tyrion. Robb & Jon shouldn't be tough I think they start at 14, but Bran Sansa & Arya will be. Rickon will probably be played by different actors at some point. I imagine they'll try to find the hottest, youngest looking 18 yr old to play Dany who also starts at 14. But unless they're gonna cut all her numerous nude scenes the actress will have to be 18. Oh yeah, two of my other fave scenes: Viseys' crown & Red Viper v. the Mountain!
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST
Try GGK: Guy Gavriel Kay. Most of his stuff is similar in the vein of fiction loosely based on histoy. But GGK is more sccessible. [p] Give Tigana, or the Lions of Al-Raasen or A Song For Arbonne a try. Very good stuff.
Jan. 17, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST
HBO hardly runs a show past 3 seasons and they pick a fantasy series that supposedly going to be 7 books long. There's no way it will last. Also, for those claiming it's better that LOTR, give us a break. Anyone that makes that claim about an unfinished fantasy story cannot be taken seriously. Any fantasy series over 4 books long is difficult to translate into TV or Movies. The Wheel of Time is another example of a good series that is now way too long to be useful. Monorail77 is right. Guy Gavriel Kay has written plenty of books that would be much better. A Song For Arbonne remains one of my all time favorites.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:06 p.m. CST
I completely agree that the book simply isn't worth adapting anymore. It's major ideas have become so assimilated into pop culture (and our everyday lives) that the uneducated would simply call it derivative and avoid it. Whatever happened to Michael Mann's adaptation of "Count Zero"? That would be spectacular. "Idoru" is supposedly going to be turned into an anime, and I could definitely see that one as a film.
Jan. 17, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST
by B Arthur
I think deadwood being canceled due to money is a convenient excuse. I'm sure it was indeed expensive but look at the network. Last time I looked HBO had 26+ million subscribers, paying $15 a month. You do the math. HBO is loaded with money, it's kinda a ripoff when you think about how few new movies they put on and how few original series they produce. Where is the money going? If they do make this into a series and it is successful, HBO will invest somewhere around 700-800 million dollars if they do all 7 seasons. In other words, it ill be by far the most expensive television series ever produced, and it would have to be on the popularity level of the Sopranos to survive all 7 seasons. I hope it will, but this is a steep mountain.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST
One can only hope. Personally I would prefer Sword of Truth or Wheel of Time yearly adaptations. Heck even HQ CGI series for some of these would rock. But hopefully this will open up some opportunities for the best of modern fantasy/sci-fi
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST
A Song of Ice and Fire is the best of modern fantasy. :p
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST
Tragically a program like this will, I think, either not get made or be cut off at the knees come season 2 or 3. <p> We've seen again and again that the Masses don't like challenging and original content. If this weren't true, The Wire would clearly be the highest rated show in history. The truth is when Joe/Jill Taxpayer sits down in front of the idiot box after a hard day at the office he/she isn't looking for stimulating, rich material. He/she just wants some easy-to-digest crap that doesn't offend his/her sensibilities and lets him/her switch off his/her brain. <p> Whilst I would love for this to succeed, it can't survive on Fan Ballast alone, as Serenity so clearly demonstrated.
Jan. 17, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST
If this lasts even one season it would be better than nothing.
Jan. 17, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST
by Bob Cryptonight
WILD CARDS is awesome...a million times better than HEROES! Holy shit, somebody turn that into a t.v. show (on cable so there can be nudity and gore like in the books)!
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST
This didn't just make my day - it didn't just make my year - THIS NEWS MADE MY FUCKING *LIFE*!
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST
and yes, that scene should make up one great episode alongside with the trial. hmm...
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Or, is it a vast conspiracy perpetrated by the Man? Inquiring minds want to know.
Jan. 17, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST
George RR Martin doesn't write "hack fantasy". He is the closest thing to Tolkien there has ever been, but is better, IMHO. Tolkien had black and white characters who were either good or bad. Martin writes grey characters. They are good, they are bad depending on your point of view. He is also a realist. In most fantasy, you know who is going to live through all of the books, no matter how bad things get. Not true with Martin. He kills people. He kills kids. He kills women. He kills main characters who you think are going to be there forever. He takes characters who have been painted as awful monsters for several books, and then lets you look through their eyes and you see why they did what they did. No excuses for what they did, but the motivation behind their actions. Martin's self confessed favorite character is a dwarf (a midget, not the bearded type from Tolkien), who hates his father (a mutual hate), hates his sister, worships his older brother, likes whores, is emotionally crippled by an incident as a young boy, and is a smart, cunning calculator and planner.
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I appreciate the insight, thanks.<P>Keep in mind that Tolkien dealt with supreme archetypes in his story. Considering how mythic LOTR was in its actual telling, it may not feel as realized when compared to the fiction that has so obviously been influenced by it in the years since.
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Jan. 17, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST
That's just stupid. We're not talking about Thomas Covenant here - we're talking about ASoIaF. Read the books, you might just find that you like them.
Jan. 18, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST
Season 3 of Deadwood was not exactly on par with the first two seasons AND Milch appeared to be losing interest anyway. As far as Carnivale is concerned, I got the sense there was a whole lot more going on behind the scenes. Knauf appeared to abandon ship a little too quickly for my taste and there were plagarism rumors that I never heard a follow up on.
Jan. 18, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...because it's fucking cheap by HBO standards, in fact it's the cheapest continuing hourlong drama they produce. The fact that it's one of the best and most critically acclaimed shows that HBO has produced doesn't hurt matters either, but it's the relative cheapness of the show that has saved it's ass from it's almost constantly looming cancellation more than anything else. <p>Like I said, I'm not a hater, this is a cool fucking project, and I believe that HBO can do it justice, but if HBO can't afford to follow through once it's up and running and built an audience and they have us all hooked, because they've by that time been distracted by their next big expensive idea and need money for that, leading to this getting cancelled with the same old "too expensive" excuse that killed off Deadwood, Rome and Carnivale, and likely before it's able to come to some sort of resolution, then that's really gonna fucking suck. And that seems to be an increasing trend at HBO, so that's what really worries me. It's not HBO's lack of quality, it's their increasing lack of support for that quality. It's investing a lot of money in something, making a quality project, but then yanking the carpet too soon and without chance of resolution or a satisfying ending for viewers. <p>As has been said, at least with Rome hopefully we should get some closure by season's end, with Carnivale that didn't happen, and with Deadwood it's damn unlikely that we'll ever see that promised miniseries wrapup story. I just don't want to see that happen again on these new cool shows that HBO is bringing our way, that's all.
Jan. 18, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST
by Darth Fabulous
Does anyone know the status of this project?
Jan. 18, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST
Jan. 18, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST
by B Arthur
Great question. As far as ive heard its in pre-production and is supposed to be filmed sometime this year. One wonders if Alan Ball is really committed to doing another 5 (?) year series that probably wont allow him to do other projects. Season 4 of SFU seemed like Ball lost interest with the series, although he recovered for season 5. But with True Blood, John From Cincinatti, the Preacher show - and now A Song of Fire And Ice - HBO really seems to be interested in paranormal shows, or at least shows with paranormal attributes. Im interested in seeing how well they work out.
Jan. 18, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST
That is, it will go the way of those series if it ever gets made, which I doubt. There's no way in hell anyone can do justice to these books -- they're about 20 times more complicated and dense than "Rome" and Albrecht gave up on it after two seasons. If they gut each book they might be able to do it, but then why would anyone watch? Plus, knowing HBO, they'll probably cast Peter Krause as Jaime Lannister and Michael C. Hall as Jon Snow, which would blow chunks. The only way this would work is if they got the BBC involved, but again, they considered "Rome" to be so expensive and unwieldy the suits at HBO will never do that again.
Jan. 18, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST
by B Arthur
I got to agree. Their is absolutely nothing wrong with the material, its the network. While HBO is the only one who could pull it off, there history doesn't look good. Like I said before, if they truly wanted to make it a series and do it right, HBO would basically be signing a 700-800 million dollar check over the next 7 years. Thats an insane amount of money that will never be made back unless it becomes wildly popular. The only hope I have was the George Lucas statement (Brought up earlier) that TV is where all the big future 'blockbuster' special effect crazy stories are going to be made. Perhaps HBO is trying to revolutionize this genre with a mega-budget fantasy series. Thats the only way I can think that a company owned by Time-Warner would be willing to write a check that big. I hope they are that ambitious.
Jan. 18, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST
are best left to the imagination.
Jan. 18, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST
Lord of the Rings was inconceivable before they did it. The greater the risk the greater the reward.
Jan. 18, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST
Cersei = Bea Arthur, Jamie Lannister = Jamie Farr, Robb Stark = That bug-eyed freak from last night's American Idol (you know you watched it), Sandor Clegane = Richard Simmons, Tywin Lannister = Artie Lange, Walder Frey = Montgomery Burns, Daenerys Targaryen = Paris Hilton. Seriously - check this site out ... all casting ideas with pictures. Some are dead on (Jeff Bridges as Jorah Mormont is inspired): http://geocities.com/asoiafcasting/
Jan. 18, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST
and maybe john goodman can play samwell...they could just de-age his face digitally like they did in crap-men 3...i mean x-men 3. anyway yes this is a vastly expensive idea to run with but i'd like to hope that hbo has the balls to go through with it.
Jan. 18, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST
i read someone describe tywin's face i always thing of bill nighy just staring at me in disgust.
Jan. 18, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST
by The Goat
Pretty cool stuff. Vog, when people say the characters are shades of grey is because they're all flawed. Obviously the Starks are the basic "good guys" and the Lannisters are the basic "bad guys," but its not that simple. Ned, Robb & Jon are all honorable, but all three them broke their vows. Jaime's changed alot and he's one of my favorite POVs to read. Cersei's a total bitch, but when you understand everything she's gone through, I can almost empathize with her. Joffrey's just a spoiled bully kid, not pure evil, and neither is Tywin, he just wants power and to protect his family.
Jan. 20, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST
by Pops Freshemeyer
Much cooler than the Silver Surfer news. And really now, in a fight Hot Pie would just keep kicking Silver Surfer in the balls until the Surfer was dead. It's true, it's true!
Jan. 22, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST
should play joffrey, the little bastard.