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Quint has read the script for Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN remake!!!

Published at: Jan. 19, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST by quint

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with my thoughts on Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN remake script. Let's get the background out of the way first. I liked the first 10 minutes of HOUSE OF 1000 CORPSES, but it went downhill after that, turning into a boring exercise in style over substance. However, Zombie won me back with DEVIL'S REJECTS. I can point to some dialog that didn't work, but overall the tone he captured, the characters he gave us and superb casting of horror icons really won me over. To this day, I think REJECTS made good on the promise he was making about CORPSES being a return to hard edged '70s exploitation. I am a gonzo huge fan of John Carpenter's original HALLOWEEN. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say I've seen that movie 50 times from start to finish. I'm very protective of it, but at the same time I recognize how shitty the sequels got. The only film I really hold up on a pedestal is the original, though I love HALLOWEEN II and get a bizarre kick out of the Michael Myers-less 3... but that could be due to my idol worship of Tom Atkins. So, I wasn't the biggest fan of the idea of remaking HALLOWEEN, but having loved the '70s feel of REJECTS and seeing that Zombie seemed to hold HALLOWEEN as dearly as I did, I thought I'd give him a chance. I'm not automatically against a remake if there's someone really interesting involved, like when Carpenter remade THE THING. He had an interesting vision and made an incredible film. Hell, I even really liked the ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13 remake that came out a couple years ago. So it was that I cracked open the script. And so it is that I'm writing this now, absolutely befuddled. I'm hoping the script I read (a long script, at 125 pages) is a very, very, very early draft. Even if it is, there are some very fundamental things wrong with it. The script starts out with a home movie of the Myers family, which freezes on a gap-toothed young Michael Myers grinning for the camera. The title HALLOWEEN is placed here. From this point on, we're treated to over 40 pages of the Young Michael Myers Chronicles. In these adventures, bullies pick on him, his stripper mom's redneck boyfriend (to be played by William Forsythe) calls him a faggot and keeps talking about fucking his mom in front of him and the 10 year old Myers masturbates to Polaroids of various animals he's killed while listening to them die on playback from his trusty tape recorder. Look. This is a remake, so of course I was expecting some things to change. I would have been kind of pissed if it was just a retread, but what I really find myself disappointed with is the lack of understanding Zombie is showing on why Michael Myers works. In the original film, Myers was bigger than a serial killer or a psychopath. He was evil. Unemotional. Uncaring. He was the boogeyman. Hence the ending line. His character was never even referred to in the script as Michael, but as The Shape. When you explain away Michael, giving him modern day serial killer hellish upbringing, you take away his power. He no longer represents a myth bigger than a person, he doesn't represent death incarnate. He's just an average psycho in a mask. There's nothing special to him anymore. I was hoping that Zombie, as a professed fan of Carpenter's film, would understand that and it's my biggest disappointment in the script that Zombie doesn't seem to. There was even a point, around the time 10 year old Myers is in Loomis' care and chatting it up while coloring paper masks, that I thought I might have a fake script. But the script is filled with new characters that Zombie has cast, like Big Joe Grizzly (Ken Foree) and Ronnie White (Forsythe) and Nole Kluggs (Lew Temple), that there's not a real possibility that I got a fake. So, the hope is still there that it's a very early draft and the reason that hope is there is thus: A) There seem to be about 2 typos per page and B) A cast character, Ismael Cruz (Danny Trejo), is not in the script I read. Every other character who has been cast is in it and there are a ton of roles I can see Trejo in. So, let's get back to the script a bit. There are two ideas in the new script that I really like. Despite Michael's rough childhood, he always showed affection towards the baby, nicknamed "Boo." Followers of the Halloween series will know why that is important and if you don't know, I'd advise you to stop reading. I'm not going to ruin new, specific beats, but I am going to talk about this as a fan of the mythos of the series. Of course, "Boo" is baby Laurie. If it was up to me, I'd show Myers as an emotionless kid, always kind of blank, but a glimmer pops up whenever he sees the baby. I like the idea of him drawn to her and that giving him a reason for seeking her out later. I also quite like the idea of spending some time with Dr. Loomis trying to get through to Michael. Ideally, it'd be a good place to explore Loomis as a character. He shouldn't be having conversations with Myers, he should be slowly realizing what he doesn't want to. If Michael's pure evil, without having a reason to be evil (no verbally abusive father figure or mean bullies), it flies in the face of everything Dr. Loomis believes in as a psychiatrist. That is where Loomis' obsession with Myers comes from. That's fascinating to me. Here, Dr. Loomis falls into the background. This is all Michael Myers all the time, which is another mistake. Zombie forgoes Myers being a quiet shell, with dead eyes, from the moment Loomis sees him. We see his mood swings, he chats away and colors in different pieces of paper to make masks that we find out later, when we meet the adult Michael Myers, that he uses them to represent his mood, including when he needs to take a shit. In Michael Myers' mind, he goes, "It's about time I put on the 'I gotta take a shit' mask so I can express myself." We meet adult Michael Myers on page 48 and here's another shocker. There's a reason Tyler Mane was cast. Michael Myers is described in the script as being 6'10" and 280lbs. Again, that strikes me as being untrue to the original character. Making him a hulk of a being kind of puts him into the Jason or Leatherface realm, no? As an adult, Michael Myers feels like an amalgam of the Myers we know and Leatherface from the CHAINSAW remakes. He's big and he chases people down. Gone is the sure and steady, calm and unemotional Myers. Laurie Strode isn't introduced until page 69 and the final moments of Myers stalking Haddonfield don't really happen until the last 20/25 pages. And yes, it does feel rushed. And yes, adult Michael Myers, with the mask, does speak. Ugg... And yes, they try to show Myers' "human" side in the last act. Double Ugg... The good news is just from a pure exploitation angle, Zombie included lots of gore and a ridiculous amount of nudity. It's going to really weird me out if Hanna R. Hall (the first Jenny in Forrest Gump) reveals as much as the script requires Judith Myers to reveal. And the 10 year old Myers groping her before stabbing her is also going to freak me out a tad. Sheri Moon's character is always wearing something skimpy in the script and Danielle Harris' Annie (a great move casting Harris, by the way) gets very exposed. Actually, pretty much every female in the script except for Laurie Strode, will get naked. Great. I just wish he'd make that a different movie, take the mask out of it, change the names and not draw the comparisons. I can see Malcolm McDowell (another great bit of casting) being excellent in the role of Dr. Loomis and I can see him making some of the weak dialog work just out of sheer charisma and talent, but compared to the Donald Pleasance Loomis, I'm afraid he's going to fall short. This Loomis, as written, is too weak and when he goes a little mental trying to talk people into the threat of Myers he just comes off as annoying. The script has a very high body count, ample nudity and a solid cast. But I firmly believe Zombie completely missed the boat on Myers and is making a big mistake with the story. The script really feels like he just wants to make Halloween... but super-badass hardcore and fuckin' extreme, without a thought to the character work that went into the original. The dialog is distractingly bad at times. He does keep Lynda's overuse of the word totally, but then he adds in Annie and Lynda always calling each other "bitch" every time they see each other. "Hey bitches!" If I can get my hands on a the shooting draft I will. I wanted this to work, but the script I read is a real disappointment. Hopefully there are some big changes from the draft I read. And I mean big. You can play around with a lot of things... setting, style, camera movement and certain characters, but to mess with Michael Myers as a movie monster is unforgivable. -Quint quint@aintitcool.com



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  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    *GASP!* Rob Zombie has no brains?!

    by thenewpulper

    This must be fake. It can't be real. Because The Devils Rejects was such a fine film... I mean, all the great moments like where the guy hurts the other guy, laughs, then hurts someone else. Then they all die at the end to a song that's played for too long and then the credits roll, leaving essentially anyone with remnants of a soul completely unsatisfied for having nothing to relate to. He's trying to make it "ultra fuckin' badass"? Really? With no comprehension of what made the original so great? This can't be true! What the fuck did you expect from a guy named Rob Fucking Zombie? I mean, seriously...

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Remake aka yet another crappy sequel

    by HavocZer0

    I still have the original and frankly I like Zombie, but he's not going to top the original. Oh well

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    This is what I was afraid of...

    by OhioBobcat

    Today's films are completely ruining the images of these classic horror icons. (See: Hannibal Rising, TCM: The Beginning) And even though this seems to be the audiences biggest complaint, filmmaker refuse to listen. Thank God nothing ever came of the pre-burning Freddy flick!

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    So --

    by TheDarkShape

    It's pretty shitty, then?

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Ummm

    by Darth Melkor

    First I think, and I was looking forward to this a LOT. Halloween is my favorite movie ever. But if Michael Myers speaks as an adult with the mask on... then...

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Michael Speaking...

    by TheDarkShape

    Is not something I'm adamently against (though I know a lot of people are). One of the original H20 ideas was for him to say, "Laurie..." just before she takes a swing with the ax. That, I think, would've been creepy. I'm more worried about the mood swing masks.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    I fucking new it.

    by plissken77

    I hate this already. I'm to angry to even write a response. if this script rings true it is the biggest insult to the BEST horror film ever. Fuck you Rob Zombie. FUCK YOU!!

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    FUCK YOU ROB ZOMBIE!!

    by plissken77

    I had to say it again.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Mike Meyers should never speak...EVER

    by nomihs

    Not only that, he should never be reinvented like this either. Hope you're right Quint about this being a bogus draft or an early draft. Cause it sounds like a huge vacume right now, getting ready to SUCK!

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    let rob do what he wants to do

    by drownbilly

    didn't rob zombie say that he wanted to reimagine "hallowen" and not remake it. we can bitch all we want about his new ideas, but nothing will be changed. the original "halloween" fans will make up a small percentage of people who go see rob zombies "halloween" let us original "halloween" fans have the good one and let the teenybopping horror crowd now have rob zombies "halloween" that from the get go wasn't going to even come close to the greatness level as the original

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    NO, NO, NO. A THOUSAND TIMES NO! NO TO THE Nth POWER!

    by Pound Sand

    No speaking! Ample nudity, now that's a separate topic...,

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I'm almost at a loss for words

    by nopix

    This can't be the script quint, it just can't. Zombie has said he really respects and loves the ORIGINAL Halloween. And fuck yes of course Myers is supposed to be evil incarnate. I just can't believe it..fuck i can't even form sentences anymore.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Who gives a fuck?

    by Angry Mean Panda

    Would we rather another movie where Busta Rhymes beats up Michael Myers with kung fu? You really want that again? If Zombie walked into the theater and took a massive shit on the screen, it would still be better than that last abomination. And frankly, I'd rather a remake that brings something different to the table than a fucking retread.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    And what is with this new trend?

    by nopix

    Thomas Harris did the same thing with his Hannibal character. They give him excuses and make him human. This is insanity.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    This sounds like a lot of trouble...

    by DanielKurland

    and I doubt so much could drastically be changed by the final product. Of course, most people seeing this probably aren't aware of the intricacies of Meyers, and the movie, and will be satisfied with this.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Danielle Harris = Yummy!

    by Horace Cox

    I met Danielle Harris a few months ago and she was hotter than two rats fucking in a wool sock. If she gets skinny in this flick, it'll get my 8 bucks.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I hope this changes a lot

    by Pr_Frink

    I had a fear when they said Zombie was going to do it because it seemed like he did genuinely love the character but would try to add the Zombie style to it and then completly miss what it is that makes Myers truly terrifying. Still lots of time to change it though.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    This script sounds TAINTED!

    by Womb2dooM

    But I do like boobies and bloods. Not necessarily in that order.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    May everyone involved DIE

    by derousse bag

    Rob Zombie, I hope you suffer a long, searing bout of terminal colon cancer the day you wrap this film, so that the last things you hear will be millions of people cheering your pain-wracked death because of this movie. You just didn't listen, and so it's time to pay the piper. www.obsessedwithfilm.com

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    I'm a bit conflicted on this

    by RevSick

    While I have to agree with Quint on the things that he has issue with, I too feel that going that in-depth into Michael's upbringing completly misses the point, I know some people around the production and everything I've heard is that it's going to be great. Now, one thing I feel the need to bring up is the Dawn of the Dead remake, alot of people like it, and I was not a huge fan of it as a remake, as a stand alone zombie film it was alright, but as Dawn of the Dead it sucked, I think this is what we are probably going to get here, as a serial killer movie it's probably going to be pretty good, as Halloween, not so good, assuming this is anything close to a final draft.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL MYERS SINGS!

    by JAGUART

    As long as he's gonna talk, I think this remake would work way better as a musical..

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    His voice....

    by RevSick

    Perhaps if they're going with the old school Shatner mask they should have Shatner over-dub the voice...discuss!

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Myers..

    by Kraken

    I don't want to see the nurture version of Michael Myers, I want to see the NATURE version of Michael Myers. The bad seed... the born evil. That's what makes him the boogyman. Plus, why does everything that is bad have to be so damn BIG now? Giant football sized Predators, and now a Michael Myers that can bench press a truck. I think people are missing the point here.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Most of these companies missed the point long ago....

    by RevSick

    I mean c'mon, they wouldn't hire Zombie just to do another sequel, but you pitch it as a prequel and it sells, that's the problem with Hollywood. Right now Prequels sell so everyone and their brothers are doing them, I suppose one could blame George Lucas for that but it's a bit different when the original you put out is the second half of a larger idea, these invented prequels to what where supposed to be stand alone films never work.

  • Jan. 11, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    I knew this would suck

    by andrew coleman

    I don't care what others do but I am boycotting this. I am sick of remakes. I also hate that every bad guy in movies needs a seriously long back story. Myers was a cool bad guy because he was straight up an evil unstoppable zombie. Hear nothing will make sense they just had to make him a wimp who gets beat up and blah blah blah. Screw remakes and this movie that's my stand point other people can do as they wish. I know remakes do well because people don't know any better but this seriously needs to stop. I hope Halloween remake bombs hard at the BO like really hard so they don't try this again... Wait a second didn't the Psycho remake bomb really hard? Yet they did this anyway? Oh God there is no hope! Also Rob Zombie is a sell out and my caring for his movies has gone to 0.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I'm upset, need to ramble

    by SebastianHaff

    Since I was 14 years old, Rob Zombie has been, in my eyes, as cool as it gets. He's up there with Shaft, with Stallone, even George Romero. I've always dug his music and adore both of his films. He's one of the very, very few celebrities I got nervous about meeting, and not just because of how beautiful his wife looked. So it hurts me to do it, but I have to call bullshit. Michael Myers does not run. Michael Myers does not talk. Michael Myers is not your typical "I got picked on so now I kill people" serial killers. He just isn't. Remake or not, if your going to change something as crucial as Myers, why still call it Halloween? I like that it at least appears as if Zombie's gonna make it trashy and 70's exploitation style (though the original certainly wasn't, but it's a fun take on the subject), somebody just needs to tell him that Michael Myers is off fucking limits. Reimagine the hell out of the story all you want, but leave Mike alone, Zombie! I've defended you for too many years for you to cinematically sodomize me now! Don't you dare fuck this up. But uh, good luck with the shoot!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    I saw Ressurection....

    by RevSick

    So I'll be seeing it, will I like it, that's left to be seen, but for fuck sake it can't be any worse than the remake of the Fog, yeeesh!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Those elements...

    by RevSick

    are so far off from what I was hearing, it has to be a rough draft, I mean, everything I heard was classic Myers, but fuck'n'a if this is what we're getting it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out on screen.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!...to review this script

    by KCMOSHer

    I think it's too early to judge where this is headed. One thing Zombie will have here more than any other project he's attempted is studio interference. This isn't an idea of his he wants to launch, this is a -valuable franchise- that the owners obviously want to re-launch and take far beyond Rob's take on things. The script Quint reviews here feels like a Zombie script...which is why I don't think it's what will wind up on screen. It may have gotten him hired, but I think there will be a lot of 'make it more like the original' notes passed along during production, assuming they haven't already during re-writes. If anything, my worry here is too much studio interference. Tons of nudity? Involving youngsters? Yeah, I'm not seeing that. Gore and violence (TORTURE PORN!) I can see coming from the studios of today, but they're totally reeling in the sexual content when -attached- to the violence. Even Saw III's nude scene shocked the hell out of me, despite having very little violence to it (sure, she's being murdered, but not with a axe or anything). So yeah...let's wait till they're on the set and shooting to judge what we're going to see. Before then, it's far too soon to panic.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    P.S. Danielle Harris Naked

    by KCMOSHer

    Don't get your hopes up. She's in her 20's and drop-dead gorgeous...if she wanted to do nudity, she could have been working for quite awhile now, instead of the meager pickings she's had since she's grown up. Expect the nudity to be cut, or extensive body double usage.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    ...Stil upset

    by SebastianHaff

    I know this isn't that big a deal. It's just a movie. But Hollywood needs to quit this humanizing serial killers bullshit. It's not fuckin' scary! Every goddamn month you've got another director going on and on in Fangoria about how "this isn't just a Friday the 13th clone, MY killer is more human, so it's really tragic in a sense..." Uhh, tragic? What's so scary about somebody getting picked on and becoming a psycho? That makes me think said killer is a little bitch for not being to take a little hazing. Get over it. Is that what you've done, Zombie? Have you made Michael Myers a BITCH? So now the Boogeyman is just that little douche bag from high school that played D & D in the library at lunch? I hated that dumbass little poindexter, and if he's what you've made Myers become, I fart in your general direction.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    As far as a backstory goes...

    by Zeke25:17

    ...the novelization for the original 1978 film came up with a dilly: waaayyy back in medieval times, some poor deformed kid named Enda (really) had a crush on the local beautiful maiden, who spurned him for the local handsome prince-to-be. So (of course) during the wedding ceremony when everyone starts dancing in a circle, Enda slices the young marrieds with his handy blade, causing much grief among all the other partygoers who pretty much tear him to pieces. He is then buried in an unholy place (kinda like the Necronomicon) and cursed to "relive his foul deed every thousand years". Or something. And that's how little Micheal Myers became...THE BOOGEYMAN. Okay, I admit, it sounds hokey. But I gotta say it beats the shit out of what's in this script so far. Just retitle the movie, rename the characters, and say that it was INSPIRED by Halloween. Honestly: why remake what was already perfectly done the first time?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    Question...

    by RevSick

    does anyone know if it's Dimension or Weinstein's that are releasing? Both are notorious for dicing films up after the fact, but I think right now I have more fear of Dimension as far as trying to fit it into a more commercial style.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie: Filmmaker's License Revoked

    by VaderSabre

    Halloween on Steroids? That what this shit is? Did this clown ever seriously play with a Bolex as a kid or read any issues of CS? Fuck you, Rob Zombie. Why didn't you just do the Gus VS route of shot-by-shot. You lazy, untalented, cheap-thrill, unimaginative, mutherfucker.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Remeber the Omen remake and Psycho remake.

    by kurdt420

    they stuck to the original script and story line and they both turned out to be a waste of time. Give Rob a chance before you rip it apart

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    There are two ways to read the growing up stuff...

    by RevSick

    I think certain elements are made to lean towards the sympathy votes, but some things might be more to just show the depth of depravity and indiference to people, I mean the animal torture things like that, but all in all it's generally better left off screen and left to ones imagination.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Big surpise....

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Did anyone expect this to actually be good, no fucking way am I ever going to watch this piece of shit. I know people say "oh but we still have the originals" but I learnt my lesson with star wars, the prequels ruined the originals for me especially with the atrocious dvd editions. Zombie is a dick.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    I expected it to be good.....

    by RevSick

    I for one thought it had potential to be the first good addition to the series in a long while, not a psychological profile of a serial killer, I mean really, if I want that I'll watch Court TV.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Dear Hollywood, please flush your money my way.

    by Uncapie

    My toilet is waiting. Rob Zombie is a talented musician and a nice guy, but come on Rob, this will be a tuna.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST

    Snakes on a train...on halloween!!!

    by Snikkar124

    The age of the remake is not going away!!I have always felt that most remakes get made to make a quick buck.But why they change the story,Ill never know.I guess the studio`s rigths to the property is running out for the most of the remakes,and they have to get them made.They then tell directors who want to make original movies that they must first do ,this and that remake .jadajadajada.Still Halloween today,doesn`t fly as well as it did way back when....

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Damn.....

    by Beeslo

    From the sound of it, its seems that Uwe Boll would do a better a job with the movie. I'm really not liking Zombie's interpretation of Myers...its a totally different character... But I do have to give him bonus points for casting Myer's "niece" in a very revealing role in the remake...kudos to that man, kudos to that!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Haris nude

    by Audets70

    Actually shes nearly 30 and she has said nudity isnt an issue for her. Its about time t show that fine body off!!! I still wont see it...but I look forward to seeing her pics online! Ha!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    so the mandate is to make it suck as much as possible?

    by sneetchy

    Rob Zombie can eat my fuzzy brown sphincter

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    FUCKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Power_Girl

    This sounds bloody awful. the script won't change(if so only slightly) what the reviewer described is a rob zombie script/film. I made a vow after walking out of Devils rejects to never see another rob zombie film ever again and it looks like I never will.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    I read it too, but shocked it was written in crayon!

    by alucardvsdracula

    I also heard Rob u'll be shooting it in 78mm then downgrading it to 8mm and then everyone will re-record their dialogue before removing it again and finally releasing it as a silent movie, save for a 100% Rob Zombie soundtrack. Oh and I especially liked the moment in the script where at the end Myers grabs his cock shoves it in Laurie's ear - finally killing her as her HEAD EXPLODES IN 3D! Then then COMES all over the screen shouting: "I'm a gonna kill you all, ya hear me dudes, I'm a gonna kill yeez alllll!!!!" Sounds like one classy remake to me.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    the night HE raped my childhood...

    by sneetchy

    trust me Quint - this is the first and only draft. God how depressing...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Michael Myers talks = Nippels on Optimus

    by rost

    Fuck the Zombie.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:34 a.m. CST

    The first 10 minutes of 1000 Corpses?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Before or after the opening credits? Because before it was just a "From Dusk Till Dawn"-like nonsense-dialogue and after it was the typical annyoing-teens. :P

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU GUYS ARE SURPRISED BY THIS???

    by i eat cannibals

    Rob Zombie can't direct, can't write and has no cool ideas in his nappy head. He is going to ruin Halloween and what it stands for. I knew that he was going to go this way because it's so tired. And I'm sorry his wife is a horrible actress. Why you say? If you were directing a movie. Would you put her in it?? The answer is NO!! Now ask your self the same question about Rob Zombie. The guy has done two movies that are terrible. Why do you think that he could pull off probably the one of the best movies of all time??? He can't and he won't. This movie is going to be a trainwreck. I just don't understand why studios just don't give Carpenter and Dean Cundy a shit load of money and creative controle. I know the old geizer has a kickass Halloween script in the trunk of his car.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I can see into the future... Ready?

    by Kasch

    Mark my words. Hell, write them down. Because this is EXACTLY what's going to happen: 1) Zombie will make his over-the-top sleaze version. 2) Test screenings will be completely disasterous. 3) Dimension will take it and retool it into another "Black Christmas." End of the Halloween franchise. Bye-bye.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    I'm pretty conflicted...

    by Sledge Hammer

    On one hand it's a totally different take on the concept, which I think is actually a good thing, because you can't out-Halloween the original Halloween, so your only chance to make a 'remake' that has it's own reason for being is for it to carve out it's own path. But on the other hand, the path it's seemingly chosen seems very lacking in originality and appears to have utterly missed the point of the original film, it's strongest aspects and what it was ultimately all about. I'll wait and see and judge then, but right now still curious, but far from excited. And I like Zombie as a director.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    I was hopeful before this

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I also thought Devils Rejects was pretty good, and I'd hoped Zombie had enough respect for seventies horrors that he could do something interesting with this remake. He's taking a different tack, which is a good thing, but this explaining of every damn thing is a very bad idea for a horror.<p>The dark is scary because of what you can't see, and painstakingly explaining WHY it's dark takes away the fear. I can't help but thinking that an in-depth backstory (hate that word, sick in my mouth) will neuter this character, especially when you're throwing in a grab-bag of serial killer cliches.<p>On a positive note, it's nice to see Joe Hallenbeck's daughter is getting work.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Show me on the doll

    by BannedOnTheRun

    ...where Mr. Zombie touched your childhood.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST

    This doesn't bode well for Halloween fans

    by JERRY HORROR

    Maybe remaking Halloween is Rob Zombie's Moby Dick. Good intentions can only go so far without a decent script. After seeing the new Chainsaw film, I am weary of too much backstory and exposition. However as an artist myself, I have to respect Zombie's decisions. The man has been trusted with a timeless, classic horror film. I know that every fan, would remake the film differently. With this being said, it doesn't mean everybody is gonna dig his specific vision. However, Rob Zombie is being entrusted with a very profitable franchise. This film restarts that. If it's a hit, there will be much more money to mine from Michael Meyers. I anticipate the studio being very controlling about certain aspects of the film. With that being said, I assure the fans, the script will be polished.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    Who the fuck wants to see a Halloween remake?

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Not me.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    silent subtle satanic scary

    by hairypolack69

    The villains of "Devils Rejects" were portrayed as heroes, while their innocent victims had no feelings and the cop trying to stop them was showen to be a bad guy. Now michael meyers is going to be shown to be a hero? No hes silent, he's possessed by the devil, hes pure catatonic evil. Theres no WHY to him hes just evil!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    Is it true Myers tap-dances through the killing spree?

    by Azazyel

    I'm worried. As a massive fan, I think the Halloween franchise does need a reboot or or just to RIP. However, it seems clear that Zombie (who I have enjoyed so far) is going humanize Myers. The key thing about him is 'Why?' - he stands pretty much alone in being motiveless in the 1st movie. I think Quint has it right when he says "make that a different movie, take the mask out of it, change the names and not draw the comparisons". Still, I'm willing to wait and see. A bold attempt now is better than another Halloween Resurrection...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    "I even really liked the ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13 remake"

    by angrykirby.tk

    all respect for quint gone

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:56 a.m. CST

    Wow, sounds like it's going to let allot of people down

    by MentallyMariah

    I was really looking foward to this one...the script sounds horrible! The only decent remake ( non horror ) as The Departed..Rob Zombie should take a cue from Marty...fire this fucker on all cylinders but wow, what a dissapointment reading this...I have a feeling it's going to really piss off allot of people, HALLOWEEN IS A CLASSIC...what next? Eli Roth remaking THE EXORCIST but with torture scenes instead of vomit?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    They're HANNIBALIZING Michael Meyers ---

    by Spacesheik

    trying to give him background and make him human - bullshit i say bullshit - why cant evil be mysterious, why does every action have to be justified great...we now know meyers kills people because of a prick step dad picking on him...doesnt quite work well does it?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST

    I know...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Let's take a classic film, change everything in it and add really shitty modern way filmmaking techniques. I still can't believe they've remade The Hitcher and Near Dark. Stop the world, I want to get off.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST

    In the words of Obi-Wan, Luke and Darth Vader..........

    by wackybantha

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    OOPS!!!

    by wackybantha

    (in my best URKEL voice) Did I do that?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:42 a.m. CST

    told ya

    by misnomer

    first darth vader and now this. holywood sucks.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    The original was only good when it was new.

    by DerLanghaarige

    Over the years it became lame. And even if that remake-script sounds pretty unoriginal, it could be one kickass horrormovie anyway. Let's see how this work out on screen.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST

    Michael Myers

    by Black Satin 2

    I agree. This story should be about how Dr. Loomis came to the slow but terrifying realization that Myers is not only outworldly, but is then capable of getting out whenever he wants to. In the original, he organizies the insane asylum to go outside in the rain. Who's to say he hasn't done other things easily enough? 'Who taught him to drive?' Lots of ideas come up on that. To have him show up as a hulking monster just ruins it if they go in that direction.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:36 a.m. CST

    That sounds fucking awful.

    by Psyclops

    I thought seeing Busta Rhymes trash talk Michael in the last horrid installment was a disgrace but this sounds so much worse. Zombie seems to be missing the point completely and I'm actually afraid of what he's going to be bringing to the screen next summer for all the wrong reasons.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    THE DARK was not a scary movie

    by Mace Tofu

    The DARK sucked as a horror film Mr. Franklin T Marmoset.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST

    This does not bode well...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    My position on Rob Zombie is that I like The Devil's Rejects and even had a good time with House of 1000 Corpses (although much of that film felt like straight-to-dvd hackery, there were some scattered moments of flickering brilliance throughout). I also enjoyed Zombie's self-deprecating dvd commentary in which he admits to being "not very careful" in his editing. However, despite the HUGE surprise of TDR, I still had the nagging feeling that Zombie had "gotten lucky" with the sequel. I then checked out Zombie's hosting gig on TCM Underground and was a bit underwhelmed with the job he did introducing films like Faster, Pussycat, Kill! Kill! and The Honeymoon Killers. His speaking style was monotone and unenthusiastic, and it was all-too-obvious that he was reading from cue cards. Tarantino he is not. And it sucks, because its obvious that Zombie is an all-around good guy and DOES have a genuine love for exploitation horror. Unfortunately, as we are painfully finding out, his passion far outweighs his talent and innovation. It breaks my heart to say this, but the "next big thing" is turning out to be as vacant and hollow as The Shape itself. If he turns Halloween into a winner (and I hope to God he delivers on that great poster), I will gladly eat my words. But for now, I'm worried. Say it isn't so Rob!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Hmmmmmm

    by Kawaii

    Rule 1......never show how the charecter came to be. You lose the whole mystic. Ok, im not a diehard halloween fan although i do like the first two films. I like the fact that he was a slow thoughtful killer, you could see his mind thinking all the time, very controlled and calculating. A direct oppersite to Voorhees....which is whats great about michael, he was different. It seems like this remake is changing that and thats gonna turn him into a generic slasher charecter. They should of kept the film begining when he is shut in hospital as a child and finish when he escapes and drives off. Who knows, the film could be good...after all the script doesnt mean anything, films change so much when editing them anyway. As far as John Carpenter goes, he hasnt made much that is good anyway apart from The Thing. He really isnt that good a director. Fingers crossed people.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:05 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie's script is a piece of shit?!

    by deanamatronix

    Well golly, geeze, I didn't see that one coming.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIE GOTTA EAT!!!

    by LocoMotive

    There, I said it. I agree with Quint here. The only thing that could really mess up Halloween is making Myers human. Zombie's got such a horror boner for psychopaths, that the thought of the character being something more sinister doesen't even enter his mind.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:17 a.m. CST

    I dare Quint to look Rob Z. in the eyes and tell him...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    that the script sucked ass. He'd have his eyes ripped out faster than you could say "Danielle Harris naked". This film will rock. Firstly, it's a fresh new gory way of looking at the pure evil that is Myers. Thank fuck its something different. I for one cannot wait! I tell ya Quint, you will eat those words or dine in hell!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Hmm...

    by trupson

    A backstory and lots of gore. Sounds like the Black Christmas remake. Or was it Black X-Maz? I agree with most of the people here. Black Christmas, TCM, The Hitcher...they give backstory to the killers, and they're not scary anymore. I was reading an interview with the music video hack who's directing the hitcher remake, and he was bragging about how he added some personal touches to the script that will explain the character of the hitcher. It was the same thing with leatherface. He doesn't have a nose, and he was bullied at school. Now Michael was bullied as a kid. And I doubt the script will change that much. Zombie said that this will be both a remake and a prequel.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Halloween Remake = Psycho Remake

    by knightrider

    Why bother.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Touche, Master Tofu

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    You have blown my metaphor right out of the water!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    CARPENTER'S THING WASNT A REMAKE!

    by wolvenom

    to say so is disprecting carpenter's awesomeness that was the ultimate definitive version OF WHAT IS "THE THING" whatever crap your talking about that came before carpenter's THE THING should be abolished.......furthermore, HALLOWEEN 3 ROCKED ASS!! god i remember watching that when i was young and got so creeped out by it.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!!

    by Pageiv

    First they destroyed The Grinch, now Michael Myers!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Does Michael have a long monologue at the end...

    by jack-torrance

    ...Where he talks about his childhood?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    It's a thing that calls itself "zombie"...

    by JackPumpkinhead

    What can one expect? I'm sure Halloween has its sure of disturbed fans - why can't one of them pick up a Myers knife and find out if "zombie" really is a zombie?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    FOLEY ARTISTS GOTTA EAT!

    by jack-torrance

    HALLOWEEN II: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Micheal Myers as evil incarnate...

    by Spazwankle

    The issue I always had with the original Halloweens, was that there was no reason why he was so unstoppable. Myers was after all, just a mental patient. I never bought the pure evil stuff and just seemed like an excuse to have him keep coming back. Love the original and hate bad back story, but I always thought there should be a better reason why Micheal Myers was unstoppable apart from a bad childhood.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    A three year old summary of the shit known as "zombie"

    by JackPumpkinhead

    http://tinyurl.com/y9ekog --> still valid, still true.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Can't believe "Damn you, Rob Zombie!" wasn't said...?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Make *that* a new fad of the week. At least it's justified. Change 'damn you' to 'die' or 'fuck you' if preferred...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Why not just use the script for an all-new slasher?

    by rev_skarekroe

    I already know the answer. Rob Zombie's "Halloween" will sell more tickets than Rob Zombie's "Generic Serial Killer Movie".

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    devil's rejects was torture porn!

    by wolvenom

    there i said it... rob zombie is a hack

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    EVERY DIRECTOR WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE BIG FANS

    by BRUTICUS

    Of the source material. Evenif they aren't. Look at Bay.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Take your Ritalin, HarryBlackPotter. . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . Zombie is a damn poser. Rip Quint's eyes out my ass. I remember seeing this douche in concert at Ozzfest, patiently waiting for Sabbath to get on stage. He actually acted like the light of the setting sun was burning his skin. Give me a fucking break! If I want to give him any credit, I refer to him as the singer of White Zombie and a kickass illustrator/artist. His solo music & movies suck.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    You guys don't get it...

    by Sigmar25

    See, if RZ can explain 'why' Meyers is the cold, heartless killer then he can be justified and portrayed as rather a misunderstood hero ala Captain Spaulding, Otis Driftwood and Baby Firefly. yeah, anyway....

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    oh no

    by krodnoc

    This is what I was afraid of. Look at the Black Christmas remake and learn from those mistakes. Modern horror just keeps disapointing.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Harryblackpotter, I met Rob several times...

    by genro

    when he was opening for bands like Pantera, and he's only scareee if you're a sheltered pussy. He's just another angst-ridden suburbanite artsy manboy. No offense, Rob.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    WOW.... just....wow

    by white owl

    "the 10 year old Myers masturbates to Polaroids of various animals he's killed while listening to them die on playback from his trusty tape recorder." wait for it....<p><p>WHAT IN THE FUCK IS ROB ZOMBIE SMOKING?!?!?! FIRE HIS ZOMBIE ASS NOW!!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Chainsaw Remake Good....

    by Mr. Profit

    Because it was really like a TCM 5 but only called a remake to make money and remove the stigma the bad sequels created (Even though I like TCM 2 and 3 and I also think 3 was ALREADY a remake of 1.) They fucked it up when they tried to get fancy this year and make "The Beginning" which basically is a huge NO NO with these types of movies. Leatherface born in a factory and taunted for having a fug face? Come on. We've been here with Freddy Kreuger and the whole "Son of a hundred maniacs!" routine. I don't want to see Mikey Myers whacking off to pictures of animals, because the scene where he kills the dog is forever ruined :) Again, you don't explain too much of what makes a killer tick. It makes it less scary. When will directors get this through their heads? A straight ahead remake with good acting and a quicker pace and deadlier but not too over the top kills would have been better. It would have erased the shitty sequels that came after part 4 (Which itself was the Halloween series version of a remake.) They should have given Zombie the job to remake Friday the 13th and gave this to Liebsman. I hated TCM The Beginning only because of it being predictable when I realized there would be no survivors. (And also a 6'4 280 pound killer with a chainsaw would be VERY noticible by anyone if he's hiding in their back seat.) But as far as direction, action, 70's look and feel, and kills it delivered. Leatherface hooking the bitch out of the car was the best part. I'm sure Liebsman would have made a good Halloween. Zombie and the gore porn titty shit is better suited for Crystal Lake. Make Jason the savage who jerks off to pictures of rabbits... It would explain why he hates it when people have sex in the woods.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    THE GOTTA SHIT MASK IS COOKING THE BOOKS!

    by DOGSOUP

    And Rob Zombie should just make nice with Sean Ysult and put White Zombie back together and forget about making movies. White Zombie was Rob's best contribution to the world and nothing will surpass it. Even his lame solo albums.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    The Exorcist with Dakota Fanning and Julia Roberts.

    by Mr. Profit

    Something lame like the above will happen soon. I AM CERTAIN OF IT! And it will be a CGI fest.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    WHY WHY WHY?!

    by PhantomSpazzz

    You know....these stupid idiots have a great tool in their hand wih the internet and talkbacks available to them. Why do they never just pop on and ask...."hey, im making Holloween, what do you, the fans think about Michael having an f'ed up child hood and talking." They of course would get the proper reaction and reasons why. Its logical. Same thing with gay ass transformers. "Hey guys here are some cencepts of the transformers what do you think?" Responses are made before any work is further completed..."get rid of the gay ass, fast and the furious flames off of Optimus, Make Megatron actually look like Megatron and so on....." GAY!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Quint, where's your article on the Mute Witness remake?

    by Dick Nicely

    Obviously I'm the only person on earth who's outraged by this, but nevertheless I have made it my mission to either stop the remake from happening, or promote the original as much as possible before they butcher it. I haven't quite figured out how to do all this from my apartment yet, but no doubt I shall keep you all posted. For my money, Mute Witness is a scarier film than Hallowe'en. Plus Alec Guinness! If you haven't seen this, check it out. PS I am not Anthony Waller.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    I think its good to have a backstory for him

    by godzillasushi

    that sounds interesting to give the reason why the kid is so nutty.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Like Zombie or hate Zombie, the dude CAN'T WRITE

    by Rex Manning

    His movies are badly paced, the characters change personality to fit the scene at hand and he has no clue when it comes to empathy. The total antithesis of Halloween.<p>Jesus, I hope he doesn't go back to THE CROW after this...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    NONONONONONOOOOOOO!!!

    by bee152

    -and no.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    This sucks! They don't have TIME to change much!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Grrrr. This and Grindhouse were two of my tentpole flicks this year. Wah.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to HEROES in horror?

    by Rex Manning

    Ash, Ripley, Nancy, Laurie, Snake, Sid, Charlie Brewster & Peter Vincent... why aren't there any HEROES of horror anymore? Why must we idolise torturers, psychopaths and inbred rapists?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Cant be any worst than the first

    by NathanH

    I will never understand why people hold Haloween in such high regard. It is a BOOOOOOOring piece of shit! It always was and it always will be. There are about 200 other much better movies I would rather watch on Haloween that are actually scary.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Who *WOULD* want this version???

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    I guess Rob is making a movie for an audience of one.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    I tried to tell you!

    by porterdsgn

    You shouldn't fuck with perfection!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    I've got to stop reading spoilers!!!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    What is wrong with me?!?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON

    by BendersShinyAss

    And thats not me being stupid

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Another turd in the waterpipe of remakes.

    by Yoda's Ball Sack

    What a pity.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    That script souns pretty kick ass to me.

    by NapoleonDynamite

    I like the idea of going back and giving an explanation for how the kid became a killer. That whole supernatural "boogeyman" thing never made sense to me anyway. Not that the original HALLOWEEN wasn't great, but this isn't John Carpenter's HALLOWEEN, it's Rob Zombie's HALLOWEEN. Zombie likes the gritty and realistic. I prefer that too. Realistic evil is always more scary than supernatural evil.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    I stopped reading at "stripper mom's redneck boyfriend"

    by Doctor_Sin

    This blows CHUNKS. Is there some aversion to making him annoyingly, boringly, maladjustingly middle-class ordinary? Most serial killers are distressingly bland when they're not doing their shit. Plenty of kids have shitty childhoods without overly-complex psych issues such as stripper moms, redneck boyfriends, sexual abuse, bullies, toilet fetishes, etc. I don't want to know why Myers is supposed to be scary. I can get that from A&E or whatever. I want him scary. Period. No midichlorian explanation!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

    by Read and Shut Up

    The best thing about Halloween and The Shape was the unknown...how much of Michael's "power" was supernatural? Minimizing him to a screwed-up serial killer? Please. Call the movie "Charles Manson's Worst Halloween Ever" and you have something. Otherwise, I want the guy who sat up after dying and scared the shite out of Jaime Lee Curtis AND the audience.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Rob Zombie gotta eat

    by Bob_Loblaw_Jr

    = nipples on Myer's taint.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Anyone here read PERFUME?

    by Gilkuliehe

    Cuz that's how I've always imagined Myers' childhood. Like an evil kid nobody likes and goes by himself. Evil stepfather and bullies my ass. EVIL STEPFATHER ON HALLOWEEN = CUNT ON OPTIMUS.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    this sounds craptacular!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    this falls into the same trap as to why the texas chainsaw massacre remake, and sequel sucked. i really don't need a reason to know why these characters are killers. i think part of the mystique of michael myers or leatherface is that you don't know anything about them other than the fact that they are trying to kill the victims in the film. the mystery makes the original film work. and if i want gratutious nudity, i'll go watch porn instead.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    ASSAULT ON PRECINCT 13 was a good little flick

    by kinghenryVIII

    Why the hate. I sawe the origonal .... doesn't hold up, IMO, at all. The cast was good, the story good.<p> NOW, remake The Thing or Escape From New York and I'll choke me a bitch! But Holloween remake, oh-hum, not to particular, but, this story Zombie has would be great for a twinking to make it an origonal story to / by it's self. We don't really need this remake. At all. The origonal was fine.<p> For Holloween III - Season of the Witch minus Myers - I liked that in a sick / twisted cheese sort of way. had some balls to show all the kids dying and ending on such a downer / non stop note. Remake that! That will piss people off - not the remake but the fact all the kids die.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Sounds interesting but they should just call it

    by Nabster

    something else. With all the changes they are making why does it need be a remake. Zombie should just try and create his own horror icon, because as far as I am concerned this guys is not Mike Meyers. Like Quint says explaining, and rationalizing his insanity humanizes him, and takes away from his almost supernatural evilness. Still sounds like it will be a fun horror flick, just wish it was called something else.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    I think I just threw up a little in my mouth

    by KingKirby

    I'm absolutely stunned at how horrendous this sounds. As others have said above, this completely loses any of the original story. We don't know the reason he's a killer; we don't know how he keeps going after being stabbed and shot...he just does! How did he escape from the Sanitarium and let all the crazies go? I don't know and that scares me! Michael is an ordinary man, thin, wraith-like, whose spirit has been taken over by a ghoul. He can't be killed because he's possessed. He's not a 7 foot tall, 300 pound pervert/monster; he's maybe 6'2, 180. He does not run, he slowly stalks! Think back to Laurie in HALLOWEEN II running to get inside Haddonfield Memorial with The Shape, calmly, methodically walking after her. He's coming to get you, Laurie! Run! THAT is scary! It is fear of the unknown that we respond to. Giving him a Texas Chainsaw white trash background is not right. The whole point of HALLOWEEN is that it is our everyday world that suddenly is out of alignment because of this NON SPEAKING mask wearing creature of the shadows. He is a ghostly pale face emerging from the shadows without us knowing WHO he is or WHAT he wants or WHY is doing what he's doing. This is even worse than that that cinematic abortion TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE: THE BEGINNING; more misguided than NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD 3D; more painful than a razor blade supository. This is stupid and I will certainly tell my friends to NOT pay to see this travesty and to boycott everything Mr Zombie (if that IS his real name) does in the future.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    I dont see a problem...

    by zathras34

    We all see knew a problem existed...and with michal seeing his mom and lover do it in front him..and all the animal torture scenes..and on and on...and the smile at an early age...we all knew it...will rule...and for the boogyman to kick kids ass...there ya go...cant wait... and I want zombies version of the piano theme song...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    STALLONE SHOULD BE LOOMIS

    by artie langes nut

    MICHAELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL WITH HIS WOLFGAR INTENSITY FROM NIGHTHAWKS WOULD WHUP ASS FIND HIM, OR ILL FIND YOU, SLY YOU ROCK

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    sounds like garbage

    by reckni

    now zombie gets to debauch a sacred story . . proves that anything is possible. idiots. somebody should hang or get stabbed bad.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Myers was always the weakest...

    by Veraxus

    ...of the big 3 slasher icons. I just never found him scary. I dunno, maybe it's that the Halloween movies are just zombie films with only one zombie... and zombies just plain aren't scary. I wish Zombie was remaking Friday the 13th instead, though. There's a property ripe for re-imagining.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    That's a lot of zombie.

    by Veraxus

    Note the differentiation between captital "Zombie" and lower case "zombie" in my last post.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    How about a movie where a little nerdy kid

    by Doctor_Sin

    whose parents are middle-class insurance company employees; who is into comic books and RPGs; who gets beaten up daily by kids at school; who never gets a date because chicks would rather date lunkheaded jocks who treat them like shit rather than go out with the smart, sensitive nerd; who learns to play guitar and forms a band in college; then goes on to become a big, multi-million dollar industry unto himself by acting all scary, satanic, and evil. That, or he becomes an AICN TBer.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    same with Hanibal Lecter

    by dopepope

    The latest book brought his evil status down somewhat by revealing certain factors that were supposed to have derived this evil in the first place. Fact is, people enjoy not knowing these things, wanting our villians to just be evil-personified without explanation. Both Myers and Lecter were like that. If this wasn't attached to the HALLOWEEN we know and love, perhaps we'd all be interested in another Rob Zombie film. And I don't doubt Zombie's love for the movie and genre. But he could be fumbling this one by screwing with a movie icon.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    1000 corpses sucked. Rejects Sucked.

    by Novaman5000

    I'm sorry but they did.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I think Rob Zombies grey webbing make him look small

    by young1

    ;-)

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I WILL NEVER SEE THIS (not even out of morbid curiosity

    by future help

    never. fuck you Zombie and Hollywood.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    First off...

    by Cellar Door

    Carpenter didn't remake 'The Thing'; his version is true to original story. I've got the book and outside of the change in time (Campbell wrote it in the 50's I think), it's pretty much an exact adaptation. The earlier B&W white films are nothing like the novel. Also...gotta admit...I'm not surprised with this "reimagined" take. The original actually expected you to either think or use your own (gasp) imagination to fill in the back story; if it was even necessary. Now, film-makers think if they don't explain EVERYTHING, then the audience will be drooling and poking themselves in the eye with forks as they try to follow along for even 5 minutes. If this script is even remotely accurate than consider another truly amazing horror legacy belittled and exploited. Talking, huge, de-mystified Myers is the huge suck. And if a re-tread is the only way to go and they suck then for the love of g-string panties don't even bother with a remake!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I'm shocked!

    by rbatty024

    Rob Zombie is screwing up this remake? No way! This sounded like such a good idea.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    In Jr HIgh, a friend's sister gave me a BJ

    by Doctor_Sin

    and here I am now. Holy shit - I need to be out killing people to fulfill my eeeeeevil destiny. Fuck this laughable piece of shit script. I hope it's a fake - I hope it is. But, given that Rob Zombie is a one-note joke stuck on autopilot, I bet it's not. Besides, haven't Italy's giallo filmmakers already driven into the ground the whole "kid with messed up childhood evolves into a monstrous killer with whacky ways of killing"?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    "about time I put on the 'I gotta take a shit' mask"

    by Doctor_Sin

    If only that was a real line of dialogue! Man - post some of the shitty dialogue. We need a laugh.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    By Mr.Zombies own logic...

    by TORTURE PWN

    after he rapes our childhoods we should be able to kill him...right?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    I trust Mr Zombie

    by DukeDeMondo

    For Devil's Rejects he has my trust. Who knows what ammount of kooky shit as man let's fly in an early draft afore he realises oh, wait, turns out that was fuckin moronic. Mind you, his last album was atrocious.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie is a HACK!!!!!!!

    by Phildogger

    Is anyone here really surprised by this? He has 4 actors in all his movies, which is higher than the number of fresh ideas he has. HACK!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    but then

    by DukeDeMondo

    perhaps it was atrocious becuase his heart's with this halloween doohickey, and he ain't got time for to compose a decent grind. whatever the case, i hope he pulls it off. Not the mask, i might add. nor his willy. www.mondoirlando.com

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Zombie is a very broad stroke...

    by PreciousRoy

    ...and Halloween is a very fine line. I would have liked to see Zombie's take on The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, or SEQUELS to Friday the 13th... or even a Day of the Dead remake (and by that I mean a similar story and theme to the original, not a personal take on Xombies)... but he's just not the guy I want trying to improve Halloween with steroids and suspense-killing expositional backstory. Even Robert Rodgriguez... who has a very different style... would have been a better choice than this. Ratner. I would rather see Ratner do a Halloween remake than Zombie.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Halloween: The Night HE Came on His Roadkill Polaroids

    by Doctor_Sin

    Did Zombie forget the subplot about some camp counselor or a gym coach touching Mike's penis, driving him to insane depths of mask-wearing, shit-taking, body-stabbing malice?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    Devil's Music Volume 2 was Good but...

    by prufrock6731

    this has to be a joke...seriously who would have Myers talk? I'm with TORTURE PWN on this one if it's real..

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    HINO! HINO! HINO! HINO!

    by finky089

    no?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    This smacks of "exploitation" alright.

    by finky089

    Exploitation of the existing Halloween fanbase.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Give it a rest!

    by bubbaj

    I loved the original Halloween just as much as anybody, but you people need to get a clue! It's a goddamn movie, not the end of the world. If it is great, I will be psyched! If it sucks, I will go home with my pockets about 10 bucks lighter. I'm not going to sit around and cry because Rob Zombie didn't make the perfect movie for me! Suck it up, cupcake!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    Cupkaes and remakes give my body shakes

    by Doctor_Sin

    Zombie needs to put on the breaks cuz that's what it takes when the movie that he makes seems so out-of-place and fake and a waste of space; He coulda' raised the stakes, filled the plane with snakes, and make every little kid scream when he awakes; Now, we're not ingrates, and we not cheapskates, but it's the hard cash I make and he won't hesitate to take and take - an' we won't go to the show, or believe this sucka's hustle and flow. Word.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I meant 'cupcakes' - my dope rhyme got busted

    by Doctor_Sin

    I pwned myself, yo.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    "If it is great, I will be psyched!"

    by UMAGA

    Did you not fucking read the review? Does this sound ANYTHING like Halloween to you?<br><br> You what you want about the sequels but for the most part, at it's core, Michael Myers was still Michael Myers. This..masturbating to dead animals? He's taken evil and just made it like any other disturbed serial killer. Let me guess, he'll be wearing a wifebeater and khakis as well. What a disgrace to both the franchise and it's fanbase. This is an abomination.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    any reply?

    by bubbaj

    Any of you mama's boy "I wish I was Roger Ebert" little queers want to respond? You all want to think you know shit about movies because you locked your sissy asses in your rooms and jerked off to the original Halloween movie since you were 10. Remakes happen. Some are a lot of fun, and some royally suck. Hopefully it will suck so some of you ass packers will commit suicide! Rock on Rob!! House of 1000 Corpses kicked ass, you Brokeback Mountain lovers!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Time to put on my "gotta shit" mask...

    by zombieslayer

    is the only cool aspect of this.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Fanbase!?

    by bubbaj

    Fanbase is another word for fanboys spunking in their underoos! Bitches!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    After all the childhood rapings...

    by TORTURE PWN

    by now our asses feel like drive-thrus.It's about time to start spittin in the fries.ROB ZOMBIE GOTTA EAT!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    As a Writer/Director...

    by ProfGriffin

    ...Rob Zombie is a hell of a musician. Sigh. Prof. Griffin Fangoria TV

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Nice rap!

    by bubbaj

    Doctor Sin, that rap was dope! If 50 Cent could put out shit like that, I might actually listen to Rap music!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Gay

    by bubbaj

    Prof. Griffin, that was a pretty gay thing to say. I feel sorry for any guys at Fangoria TV that may have the uncomfartable opportunity to bend over in front of you!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Yakov Smirnoff joke #1

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Whadda country! In America, you masturbate to dead animals...In my country, dead animals masturbate to YOU!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Rob Zombie is actually UWE BOLL!

    by Uncapie

    Insert dramatic sound effect("Duhn-duhn-duhn!") here.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    HALLOWEEN + Zombie's name=$

    by TORTURE PWN

    In Hollywood,every time a cash register rings an angel gets its cherry popped by an idiot prod./dir. with a hard on and a time machine.DAMN YOU ZOMBAY!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Do we get a backstory on his mom being sexually abused

    by Doctor_Sin

    by Uncle Henry at a family get-together when she was 14? And how the guy she married was actually beaten by his Vet dad, which led to a lifetime of abusing others and alcoholism? Do we also get a flashback about the porno shoot she did when she was 18 and how her redneck husband forced her into it by drugging her? Will we get to see Mr. Myers and some drinking buddies rape and kill a local Korean hooker? This is all IMPORTANT backstory to this film. We will need another prequel. Maybe a Michael Myers Family Portrait sort of thing, where we see the Puritan Ezekial Myers founding a village with his wife (and cousin), Goody Myers - and how their son is bred as pure evil due to witchcraft and incest. Periodically, we need a Gypsy fortune-teller popping up to cackle about "Legacies of Evil" and shit. Then, another prequel could be set in the post-Ice Age, when Mike Myer's ancestor fucks a jackal and births a deformed beast that is shunned by the tribe. Said beast could then rape a cavewoman and their son could grow up shoving mastodon tusks up his ass.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    So much for that idea

    by Jack Burton

    My interest in this just dropped below zero. I loved Devil's Rejects and had some hope Zombie would pull of something cool but apparently not. Giving Myers a back story is just lame. Same as the awful Chainsaw remakes and probably the eventual Friday the 13th. Can't we just leave the horror icons of the 70's and 80's in peace?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Michael doesn't torture...

    by iGore

    he kills. And then sometimes leaves the bodies as boobie traps--no pun intended. Let Hostel be Hostel. Let Halloween be Halloween.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Will Mike Myers get cheadled?

    by Doctor_Sin

    Perhaps by someone's taint?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    MY HOPES AND DREAMS HAVE ALL BEEN SHATTERED

    by El Scorcho

    Fuck. I hope Rob hears this fan reaction and does a major rewrite. Please, Rob. Michael Myers is a mystery. That is why he is scary.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    MY DREAMS HAVE BEEN SHATNERED

    by Doctor_Sin

    "It's....about time...I...put on the...'Gotta Shit Mask'....Must sit...on the toilet.....will strong....body weak....uuunnnnghhhh....Khaaaaaaan!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:13 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL MYERS GOTTA SHIT!

    by F-1000

    Is the shit mask brown? *Calls NAACP*

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    bubbaj you're a fucking cockmuncher!

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Yeah, lets stop giving a shit about movies! After all they're only movies! Next time Hollywood shits a metaphorical turd in your mouth at the cinema you better gulp that shit down and ENJOY it, I mean, it's only a movie!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I have an idea for a movie....

    by SebastianHaff

    Somebody should make a movie about a happy go lucky, all around decent kid. His family isn't rich, or even all that well off, but they're a close knit bunch and love each other to death. This little boy's got a good attitude towards life and he tries his hardest, even when he fails. As a teenager he's reasonably popular, well liked, has a good time with high school, and looks forward to the future. He's just an average, all American heterosexual adolescent male. Until one day he goes batshit fucking crazy and starts blowing people away with a sawed off double barrel pistol girp shotgun. He forces his girlfriend to spread her legs whil he fucks her with the barrel, climaxing with a shotgun blast to her crotch. THAT would be surprising. Anymore, whenever I see a kid get made fun of in a horror movie, I instantly (A. Kknow he's the killer, and (B. Am not afraid of the pansy douche bag. ENOUGH HUMANIZING!!! Why do all movie monsters have to be fragile pussies now??

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK GOTTA EAT!

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Sebastian Haff I wish you were directing this remake, unfortunately they choose someone whose last name is Zombie instead, fuckin Hollywood.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Sebastian, let's make movies

    by Doctor_Sin

    Why is it that, even when we of the AICN TBs are fucking around, our ideas are a zillion times better than any Hollywood idea???

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Yakov Smirnoff joke #2

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Whadda country! In America, you take a shit....in Russia, a shit takes YOU!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    PLEASE,PLEASE!Mr.Zombie,sir!

    by TORTURE PWN

    HALLOWEEN is a classic of modern horror.If you have as much love and respect for the genre,HALLOWEEN,and John Carpenter as you claim to you will NOT give M.Myers this lame-ass,half-baked,over expositional backstory.Sure,Carpenter gave you his blessing to make your own version,but any semblance of honor and respect you may possess shoul tell you it's wrong to piss all over the basic concept.THE HORROR OF HALLOWEEN COMES FROM THE UNKNOWN/UNSEEN.Trying to validate or explain Myers takes him from being the faceless Boogeyman of legend to being just another prick with a knife and a sad story.Do what you want with the rest of the story.More power to ya.Keeping Myers himself as faithful to the original as possible is the best thing you could do for your movie.As a matter of fact being true to the source material is about the most ORIGINAL thing someone doing a remake COULD do these days.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Exactly, dirty undies!

    by bubbaj

    That's exactly it. It is just a movie. 75% of the movies out there are balls of steaming shit. If you faggots think anyone gives a shit about your opinion, maybe you should share those shrooms with me. Everytime you go to the theater and donate your money to some rich bastard in hollywood, you let the moviemakers shove a large cock up your ass and empty your pocket. In short, shut the fuck up and enjoy the show, bitch.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Yakov Smirnoff joke #3

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Whadda country! In America, you take a shit wearing a mask of Shatner...In my country, Shatner takes a shit wearing a mask of YOU!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    you don't get it people

    by bubbaj

    The movie is called a reimagining. This means a new imagination is going to put his/her given spin on the old foundation. If you want an exact remake of the original, sit your fairy asses home and WATCH THE ORIGINAL!!! Dickweeds!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Zombie is using the "sister" plotline?

    by PushTheButton

    This movie is a failure, forget it. All this tortured childhood crap? Sounds more like he is trying to remake Fiday The 13th. Forget this movie.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    What?

    by bubbaj

    Friday the 13th? The storyline doesn't even resemble Friday the 13th in any way! Fucking brilliant!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    you are 100% right Quint.

    by tonyblac

    My feelings exactly. the idea of Loomis slowly realizing that this child in his care is a monster is really compelling. Michael should have that unexplained dead stare from birth. That's what makes michael special.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    bubbaj

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I find it hilarious you've come on to a website dedicated to talking about movies and are telling us we should shut up. We know we're all just shouting into the ether but we enjoy it, that OK with you?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Reimagining/Remake

    by TORTURE PWN

    essentially means "My imagination is better than yours.(The original creator) was an idiot, behold MY great,world-shattering improvements! (The Original Creator)obviously didn't understand his own creation so it's up to the great & mighty me to fix his fuck up,cash in on it,and piss on another artists legacy all at once!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Check the Halloween message boards

    by Doctor_Sin

    http://tinyurl.com/yzr7vx - At around page 33 or so. It doesn't take them many pages to get to AICN and how the readers are jumping the gun because this is an "early draft." Some people actually *like* the realistic-killer angle and are happy to see Mike Myers in any shape (no pun) or form. Go over there and know that these people will be dropping dead presidents for Zombie's take on Haloween opening night. That is scary.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Alexandre Aja's HALLOWEEN

    by Angel Blake

    that would be much more interesting. Rob Zombie is an awful choice. Hated DEVIL'S REJECTS. A film celebrating a bunch of idiots. I'll probably watch it like every other dissenter though. The original is one of the all-time great American movies.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    OHHHHHH MY GOD

    by brandonsl21

    I was hoping he would do Halloween justice, I wouldn't mind one word from the "adult" Michael like him saying "Laurie" like someone else said it would be creepy. Nudity I'm ok w/ the abusive boyfriend I'm ok w/ stripper Mom ok, masterbating to dead animals and alot of talking NOOOOOOOOOO!!! I know somethings change w/ reimaging but not the whole friging thing.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Right on Angel Blake

    by TORTURE PWN

    Aja was one of the few directors to do a remake right."Hill's"rocked.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Michael!!

    by brandonsl21

    No Michael shouldn't be a small little guy, but he doesn't needto be huge like Jason! Michael should be 6' 2" or so but not HUGE! But, that's just my opinion.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Who they shoulda got?

    by TORTURE PWN

    Argento.Dario Fucking Argento.Hell,the original was practically a love letter to him anyway.Ahhh...to dream.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    script

    by InsertCoolName

    Even if it came out tomorrow there would still be time to chnage the script from what is reviewed here since there is no date on when this script was written. It could have been written 6 months ago and already went through 4 rewrites....or it could be the one that gets filmed and suck. Who knows. I say wait and see and bitch when it comes out if need be.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    they should remake JAWS...

    by wolvenom

    maybe with a full on cgi shark. That would be wicked. And maybe they could use actual real sharks too. Personally, thought the original jaws wasn't as suspensful and edge of your seat as it could have been. If they remake it i think they could do better.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    So, if only Mike Myers had grabbed a different mask...

    by Doctor_Sin

    He'd be okay. Like, instead of grabbing the "Kill a Bunch of Hotties" mask, he grabbed the "Gotta Take a Shit" mask, we'd have 120 minutes of Rob Zombie directing scat porn. Babysitters walking down the street. An echoey phantom flush is heard down an alley. Schoolgirl alone on a windy day...what's behind the bush? Nothing. In a Port-a-Potty two miles away, a low grunt is heard. Halloween arrives. Darkness. The moon is full. Out there, somewhere, an empty toilet paper roll spins ominously.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    JAWS remake...

    by TORTURE PWN

    Yeah!Rob Zombie can write/direct it!Little Bruce the shark was just a poor innocent little fish until he was molested by his stepdad.Zombie can cameo as the stepdad that way when he "Jumps the Shark"we can say he REALLY jumps the shark.Tyler Mane wrestler as Bruce of course.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    little message to the judge's undies

    by bubbaj

    I understand people discussing movies, I just think whiny faggots should die. Dick!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Don't you know

    by bubbaj

    That there is a difference between discussing and whining? Go wash your mama's ass!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Anything has gotta be better than another bland sequel

    by Azazyel

    Zombie says himself that he ain't changing a single frame of the original. I LOVE that film, but I don't want to watch a copy of it. If someone is gonna keep Myers going, they need to try something new - Rodriguez & Tarantino obviously like Zombie or he wouldn't be directing a segment of Grindhouse. - I'm aprehensive, *but* I'm willing to have a look and its gotta be better than Halloween IX "Michael Stalks The House... Some More"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Will the adult Mike have a drawer full of masks?

    by Doctor_Sin

    Or is it pretty much that he fled the loony bin with just the one? It seems like his schizophrenic mask-dependency/fetish would dictate he would feel "naked", isolated, or fragile without his bagful of masks. Loomis did a shitty job in turning that kid around. At least prescribe him a "Smily Happy Mask".

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Looks like Rob is a little shaken..

    by sammicurr

    Rob has made a post on his Myspace forum. Which tells me he's nervous. What should he expect. He said not to listen to "someone you don't even know" opinion. If making Michael speak, or making him 6'10 is in the script..it's not a opinion. It's a fact. Right? Not to mention his casting decision. I't like he's trying to show us how cool he is bt only hiring genre actors. Seeing Danielle Harris, Ken Foree etc will only take me out of the movie. Whatever, I guess I'll have to wait until Aug (or whenever, since it looks like they are going to move the release date again.)

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Personally bubbaj...

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I find your whining about the "whining" a lot more tiresome.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Gore/annoying dialouge from sheri moon = R.Z. movie

    by Mike_D

    oh god, i hope this is the first draft.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I hope he's got a "i'm in a shitty movie" mask

    by alienindisguise

    WOW!! That sounds like a turd of a script and I am 100% in agreement with everything you said Quint about why Michael Myers works the way he does. Right on! Making him that big is a huge mistake since size shouldn't convey the terror, it's all in the face or mask and body language. Seems like Zombie missed the simple elements all together. What a shame since he's such a horror fan.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK = FLAMES ON BUMBLEBEES CUNT

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    To those that have been saying they are glad this isn't a straight retread of the original, I agree but unfortunately that still doesn't make this "reimagining" any good.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    After reading almost all of this talkback

    by JERRY HORROR

    I came to a conclusion. Remakes, no matter how good they are, will always be flawed. You have an original film to compare it to. The remake doesn't stand a chance. The whole film industry is suffering due to a lack of original scripts. If Zombie said hey, I'm gonna make a movie largely inspired by Halloween, I think that would fly better. Betting on horses that have won races in the past, seems to be a solid bussiness plan. At the end of the day, Rob Zombie will get a paycheck to remake one of his favorite films as a kid. Who wouldn't want to do that?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Rob has basically confirmed...

    by El Scorcho

    that what Quint read IS the real script. Ouch. http://myspace.com/101946169

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Gotta Shit = STRETCHED OUT TB

    by finky089

    Stretched like the marks on Michael Myer's momma's thighs! Oh SNAP!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Damn, the TB ain't cheadle-stretched no more

    by finky089

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Where did the cheadle thing come from?

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I missed that one. Nice to see you Dorothy, things have been a bit quiet on the taint front today.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Shut up wolvenom...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    Here's what wolvenom said earlier: "that was the ultimate definitive version OF WHAT IS "THE THING" whatever crap your talking about that came before carpenter's THE THING should be abolished.......". First of all, the short story these films are based on is called Who Goes There, not "What is The Thing?" Second, its one thing to prefer Carpenter's REMAKE (oooh I called it a remake because it is one, what are you gonna do, tough guy?) to the original (I like it better myself), but saying Howard Hawks' The Thing from Another World is "crap" that should be "abolished"? Let me take a wild guess here: you liked the Dawn of the Dead remake better than the original didn't you? In fact, you thought the original was "crap" and had "bad effects, bad acting, and was boring" didn't you? Well kiss my ass, loser. You are not a real film fan. If you were, you wouldn't post such ignorant bullshit. People like you are the reason remakes make so much money (and consequently, are made in place of original films that could actually move the horror genre FORWARD). Newsflash: Carpenter's The Thing came out in 1982, 25 friggin years ago, and its STILL being used to justify remakes! Oh wait, its not a remake because the original film was in black and white and had no gore, therefore it doesn't exist. Now, if only YOU didn't exist...

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Lets list some good remakes....

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Right obviously there is the thing and um anyone?

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Fix the Talkback please

    by proper

    Thanks

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    Good Remakes...

    by TORTURE PWN

    The Thing of course.The Hills Have Eyes was a textbook example of how to approach a remake.Like it or not at least it respected the original source.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    judge's undies, you're queer.

    by bubbaj

    That is the plain and simple. You don't have to like the movie. Hell, you can even be verbal about it (as long as you try to not whine so much), but if your only complaint is that the movie doesn't make Michael out to be exactly the same as the first movie, then like I said, watch the first GODDAMN MOVIE, Dick chin!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    Jaws remake = terrible idea.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I have a crappy memory, but I think..

    by Jme

    ..when the Zombie HALLOWEEN was announced, there were ample warnings that the new film would be a "re-imagining" and have little to do with the original. Remaking horror movies is a very risky business. Unfortunately, passionate and educated fans don't control the box office, 'John Q. Public' does. I loved HALLOWEEN, but personaly I have always been fonder of THE THING and IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS. I'm not sure if I'll like the new movie, but I loved the misanthropy, chaos, and anti-social attitude of Zombie's other two movies. I gotta look on the bright side, ya know...otherwise I'll end up never liking anything. EVER. AGAIN.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Why didn't they have Zombie do a remake...

    by rbatty024

    of Friday the 13th. That seems a little more up his alley. I don't think he's the kind of guy who understands words like "atmosphere" and "subtlety." Friday the 13th isn't the sacred cow Holloween is, so it should work to his advantage. Besides, it wouldn't take much for that script to magically change from Michael Meyers to Jason Vorhees.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    What colour the Shape's poop?

    by godoffireinhell

    Just curious if Rob's gonna show us his turds.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    bubbaj, I'm queer? Damn thats the insult of the century

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    And when did I say I wanted Michael to be exactly the same as in the first movie? Thats right I didn't. Now go and play with the other children whilst I face fuck your mum.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    ROCKY BALBOA now stands at $62million!

    by jack-torrance

    Spread the word! Help get it to $70 million! Popcorn manufacturers gotta eat!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    I'm as hesitant as the rest of you but

    by Gwai Lo

    Honestly you need to stop acting like it's the end of the world because Rob Zombie is making a remake and it's not going to be exactly like the original. Judge it when it comes out and remember the 1978 movie will still exist no matter how good or bad it is. There is more justification for this kind of bitching when the director is some no name music video director, but when he has already proven himself with an excellent horror movie (Devil's Rejects) then give him the benefit of the doubt until he gives us a film to prove otherwise.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    BLUNT FORCE TRAUMA GOTTA EAT!

    by jack-torrance

    I want hurtin bombs' popcorn, some calcium deposits candy, a coke that's probably from the 70's and a hotdog that hasn't peaked yet.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    That Quint doesn't like it means it might be good.

    by Ernie Souchak

    This guy has taste that I just do not agree with (Oceans 12 Mummy 2) and uses the word "double ugg" in a review. Plus there is a lot in Zombie's style that can't come across in a screenplay. Its not going to be the next GODFATHER but I'm looking forward to it.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Why isn't Zombie remaking "Maniac"?

    by Doctor_Sin

    That's basically what this is - fucked up kid becomes serial killer. Just throw in some guilt, nausea and a "real" side to the killer. "Maniac". Fuck "Halloween" and fuck this "I have such love and devotion for this property so I am allowed to tear its anal orifice open with my directorial cock!"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Horror icons, even recent ones, will never rest easily

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    I guess it is interesting; this generation is getting Freddy/Jason/Michael retreads. In the past, the same damn thing happened with Dracula/Frankenstein/Wolfman. I bet there would have been a lot of bitching back then too. It would have been hip to slam Cushing & Lee in "Horror of Dracula" because it was a 'remake'???

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Jimmylonewolf... your sad and lonely

    by wolvenom

    if you believe that carpenter's 'the thing' is a remake of 'the thing from another world' ... I dont give a shit what anyone's said about it being a remake. They are two entirely different fucking movies.....CARPENTER'S THE THING IS THE THING! its not thing from another world... now cape fear with deniro might be a remake because its basically the same movie, or psycho's remake with vaughn because it also is basically the same movie....... BUT CARPENTER's THING IS THE ULTIMATE DEFINATIVE VERSION!..... to call it a remake is to degrade and insult its awesomeness. Lastly, all remakes blow goats because they are remakes, but REIMAGININGS OR NEW IDEAS INSPIRED BY OLD CRAP like the thing rule. THE THING IS NOT A REMAKE IT IS INSPIRED BY crap from the past

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by shoe1985

    Yes, we have the original, but since the beginning everything I have heard sounds like Rob is shitting on the series as a whole. It is his movie, but there are certain things you need to make sure don't go to far away from the original. Michael doesn't talk at all. His backstory is the same old thing that every killer has it seems. Oh no I got picked on, better go on a killing spree. He is evil, plain and simple. Not knowing why is much creepier. Now this draft makes the movie out to be a gory movie, the first Halloween had little to no blood, and it was scary. It is like Rob is going all out trailer trash wise. Got the slutty mom, check, slutty sister who will probably have a fling with her dad, check, got the kid that wants his sister, check. Yep incest all the way around. Thanks for ruining a classic.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Carpenter's The Thing

    by shoe1985

    Carpenter's version was a remake, but it was using the short story as was the original movie. So it was a remake, but not really. It took a story and did a movie on it. Yes there was a movie that did it, but not as well, and was really different.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Shoe1985

    by Gwai Lo

    Don't get me wrong, the original Halloween is one of my favorite movies of all time. I rank the Thing even higher and even a remake of that (although it fills me with trepidation) wouldn't change that for me. I think some of these ideas sound bad, I don't particularly want to find out too much about Myers' motivations either and agree that he's scarier when he's just some unexplainable killing machine. The original Halloween was subtle and suspenseful and that doesn't seem like Zombie's style. I'm not sure what I would get out of a slicked up straight remake of the original, so anything different is more appealing to me. If I want repetitions of the original I can watch part 2 (which was actually good), or parts 4-8, which get progressively worse. Just wait and see when the movie comes out if it such an affront to the original, I can still see it being a good horror film if not a traditional Halloween movie. And you can read all that stuff into the original if you want to, Michael's mom was out on a date when he killed his sister, the slutty sister was killed by Michael post sex, and that seemed to be the motivation for Michael killing his sister at least. In fact, most of the people that get offed in the movie are having sex or getting around to it. Laurie is a virgin and she survives. I am not guaranteeing the movie will be good, I am just saying that it is really a bit of a stretch to judge it at this point because a script review doesn't live up to your impossible expectations.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah and re: The Thing

    by Gwai Lo

    The Thing is both a remake of The Thing From Another World and an adaptation of the short story "Who Goes There". Howard Hawks is one of Carpenter's favorite directors (He also paid homage to him with Assault on Precinct 13) but Carpenter had a different interpretation of the story. They are both good films but The Thing is basically my all time favorite horror film.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    How come my post got deleted?

    by Doctor_Sin

    All I did was name "Zombie" by his real name because it's pretty lame always calling a grown man "Zombie."

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    Not was I was hoping to hear.

    by Dr Gregory House

    I hope this is a bogus script. I would never want a Psycho-like frame by frame remake with different actors. However, to take away 'The Shape' element of Myers is not cool at all. P.S.- Tom Atkins is a pimp, dawg!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Robs Myspace page

    by adzigjo

    go over and read the comments http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31221 ...its amazing how many people on their are blowing rob zombie, they think if their nice to him he'll respond to them and make them famous... People on myspace are idiots... "Oh rob, your the best....please give me a part in your film"

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    wrong link

    by adzigjo

    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=101946169

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    But...

    by Dr Gregory House

    ...Zombie will get my 8 bucks no matter what if we get Danielle Harris boobage...(maybe full frontal, if there's a God!)

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Zombie's Myers...

    by TORTURE PWN

    Busta Rhymes would kick his pussy white trash ass.

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Busta

    by TORTURE PWN

    would then proceed to record said beating and watch it later as some fine ass bitch polishes his knob.Serendipitydoo!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    CUNT MASK ON MYERS RIBCAGE = ZOMBIES TAINT HENTAI

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    And yeah Tom Atkins is a total pimp!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Zombie is SO Money by Lebron23

    by Dr Gregory House

    "That whole roadkill touching himself thing kinda turned me on. Does that make me some kind of fag?" That's just fucking awesome!!!

  • Jan. 12, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Tom Atkins for Pres.-nay GOD!

    by TORTURE PWN

    Lowly Human:"Dear God..." Tom:"Thrill me."

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    Geek Molester

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Remember "she didn't show her tits till she went legits." Oh god, I just quoted a scream movie.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    Wow...

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    another case of talkback time travel...

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST

    I'm doing a "reimagining"

    by TORTURE PWN

    of House of 1000 Corpses starring Helen Mirren as Otis,Jean Claude Van Damme as Baby,and Elmo as Capt. Spaulding.It'll be set on the moon and feature music by Celine Dion.John Carpenter can produce.We'll rape Rob Zombies adulthood.My dick w/ Johnny C. pushin'.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 6:32 a.m. CST

    Zombies fans.

    by VERY METAL

    Hey rob make all the statements on myspace you want, fact of the matter is that only 37409 people are gonna watch this abortion.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Quint jumped the gun by posting this script review...

    by Monkey_King

    especially for a film that hasn't been made yet. Scripts change, film crews and cast come and go. When the dust settles from this insanity you've caused, Rob's film will blow us all away. Stop the insanity, Quint!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    The script sounds different but interesting...

    by Chief Redcock

    ...and though the fanboys may kill me, I admire the fact that Rob Zombie is at least trying to do something new. I really enjoy the original Halloween, but I don't have the slavish admiration for it that some people do (ahem Quint). I'll wait to see the finished product before voicing any opinions. P.S. Remember when Oliver Stone was attached to this? I wonder what that would've been like...

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Judge Dredds Dirty Undies?

    by bubbaj

    More likw Rosie O'Donnell's bloody tampon! and, you're gonna face fuck my "mum"? What are you some pansy little Brit or something? You have been complaining that Michael Myers is going to be different, just like half the other people here! How can you call yourself a movie fan when you throw out bitch ass Scream quotes?! Fuckin' shit stain!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    bubbaj....

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I'm through with you, go back to having your ass pounded by your abusive father. Come back when your balls drop.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Jaws remake

    by TheFunkyEnigma

    Im telling you, its only a matter of time......The bastards!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    crap

    by VERY METAL

    Oh ok, bubbaj is insulting the poppulation of the uk now is he? what a wanker! (oh this movie sounds really bad just to stay on topic)

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    the beard wont allow

    by adzigjo

    A JAWS remake.... and for robs 37409 fans on myspace, not all of them will go see it because most of them are on their hoping to get famous

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    that was easy

    by bubbaj

    It sure was easy to get you all flustered and pissing like a little puppy! I always love a good "your daddy butt fucks you" insult. That's always fun for all. Anyway, it just doesn't make sense to me that all you fuckers would come together to burn up some brain cells trying to think of ways to put down the movie. Your arguments are pointless and would mean nothing to an artist like Rob Zombie. I thought his past work was great, and am totally willing to give anything he tries a shot. He's out there making shit happen, and giving faggots like you something to sit around and cry about! Later, Brokeback Boy!!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    This will change !!!

    by Iron161

    Final product will be different , just like some of transformer pics the final prime pic on the cover of Empire ,was different from the ones that leaked out .

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    oh, by the way

    by bubbaj

    yes I am insulting the UK. Pussies! Get fucked!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    backstory needs work !!!

    by Iron161

    In the real world not all killer/psychopaths came from broken homes , some had money/wealth and do no wrong ,others formed out of some mental breakdown within them .

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    bubbaj seriously how old are you?

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    You are the target audience for Zombie and I'm sure you will love his Halloween, morons like you are why Hollywood keeps churning out crap.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Hey bubbaj

    by VERY METAL

    Being a closet homosexual would explain your obvious anger issues and the only reason you are shouting your mouth off to defend this movie is your deep desire to suck rob zombies cock you sad pathetic loser.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Judge Dredds Dirty Undies - Good remakes

    by MrD

    Or reimaginings or whatever you want to call them: 70s Invasion of the Body Snatchers, JC's The Thing, Cronenberg's The Fly, Scorsese's Cape Fear, 80s The Blob, Clooney's Ocean's 11, last year's The Hills Have Eyes. I would even add things like PJ's King Kong and the new Dawn of the Dead which, even though not as good as the originals, are still good films. I'm not sure how you'd consider different adaptations of classic works, such as Hamlet, Romeo and Juliet, Dracula, Frankenstein, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, War of the Worlds, etc, or films that are loosely inspired by another, such as DePalma's Scarface. Of course, some can quibble over which of these remakes are remakes, and which are adaptations; in this case I arbitrarily defer to popularity - more people know The Thing From Another World than Who Goes There, so I consider JC's The Thing a remake, even though it is closer to the source material. OTOH, Little Shop of Horrors was clearly an adaptation of the Broadway show, so I don't count that as a remake of the original film.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by MrD

    Let me add on the remake of Willard, which I thought was a blast. And while the remake of the Amityville Horror wasn't brilliant, I'd put it about on par with the very overrated original.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    MrD

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I was being an ass to make a point really but I had forgotten about the 78 body snatchers, I love that film so much.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Yakov Smirnoff joke # 4

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Whadda country! In America, you go see something crappy by Rob Zombie. In my country, Rob Zombie goes see something crappy by YOU!"

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Lebron23 (you forgot to mention the other scenes)

    by Mike_D

    You remember? The scene where Sheri Moon Zombie wears Daisy Duke shorts and her ass crack is showing in every scene shes in while she tries to act like a bad ass while saying "I'm a bad ass mother fucker!" Every other line (while she shakes her ass at the camera). <br> Oh, and the other scene where Michael Meyers shoves the knife handle up in her sister's vagina before he tries to kill her.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Why are people SURPRISED?

    by reflecto

    The minute I heard he was doing this I knew it would be a disaster. Rob Zombie has NEVER made a good film. He talks a good game about '70s horror and exploitation film and he hires character actors like Foree or Moseley or Trejo who we all love, and then people give him a lot of free fucking passes! 1000 Corpses was the worst film I have ever seen, and Devil's Rejects was a tired pastiche of a bunch of much better films done in the most bloated, overwrought way (he even played "Freebird") with the worst dialogue of his "career." To Rob Zombie, "gritty and real" only means "white trash trailer park creeps" and "hard-talkin' '70s character actors." It's pathetic. I don't understand why genre fans, who know better, keep apologizing for "Rob" when they know this to be true.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Needs a full rewrite by someone with talent

    by performingmonkey

    And please note, most (if not all) the nudity will be cut, it'll only be in this draft in an attempt to get people 'excited'.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    I'm dying to know what the hulkamaniacs think?

    by sfezfilms

    Brother!

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Here's what I would've done....

    by Doctor_Sin

    Show some Michael Myers childhood, but he's in a distressingly 'normal' lower- middle-class environment. His dad suffers from a self-defeating sense of failure in everything. His mom is an alcoholic, prone to violence. Something happens (not known) and the mother dies. The father is arrested, but protests his innocence. Is he guilty or not? Mike ends up in a foster home, whose parents send him to a religious-based school. Something happens at school that causes him to become expelled and worry his family. His nature is handled old-school "Omen" style. is he evil? Is it something supernatural? Are the evil happenings coincidence? Somehow contrast the foster parents' "Our family is cursed with failure" belief with Loomis' "The boy is pure evil" theory. Mike is a pawn in this conflict. Mike's sis gets savagely butchered on Halloween. Parents think Mike did it. Everyone thinks 'weird and crazy' Mike did it. He gets institutionalized. He has a history of short-term escapes. Some violent deaths (incl. his step-parents) occur during his escapes (always around Halloween), but no one can prove anything - it all appears coincidence. Loomis is more and more intrigued by Myers, who never speaks but his actions 'speak' for him. Massive break-out at the loony bin. Lots of dangerous people are out there. Manhunt begins. As crazies are rounded up, the bodies pile up. Who is the killer? We all know it's Mike. Loomis knows it's Mike. Loomis discovers Mike's natural father died in prison - because other prisoners hated him with no explanation. It was a vicious killing - Loomis thinks more out of fear than aggression. Important - NO RETCON - Laurie is not related to Mike. But it is hinted that she may be younger sister to Mike's sister's boyfriend. Halloween comes. Mike's hometown has been peaceful in the ensuing years. Older folks scare younger kids with Halloween 'bogeyman' stories. All nuts rounded up but Mike. Loomis is obsessed with him, knowing violence is imminent. Laurie is stalked. The nightmare begins. End.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Oh - I forgot one thing

    by Doctor_Sin

    Adult Mike is NEVER seen without his mask. It is explained by Loomis that "there is no humanity beneath that facade, that pretense of reality" or something else kind of ominous. Mike has never been unmasked partly because Loomis is afraid of what he'll find beneath it.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Got a soar in my nose which i cant stop scratching

    by Ken Wahl

    So the Halloween remake is gonna suck? Really? Thats some amazing news.

  • Jan. 13, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Dredd-

    by MrD

    Whether you were being an ass or not, it was a fair point that often gets raised whenever a remake rears its ugly head. The truth is that MOST don't work, but there's enough that do to justify giving them a chance (especially when the original isn't all that great or very dated). And this doesn't count all the classic films that are remakes or/inspired by/sharing the source of foreign or silent/obscure films.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Ugh...

    by JacksParasites

    Am I the only one who's completely sick of the direction the horror genre has gone? There hasn't been a compelling, original, suspense horror film since Blair Witch. It's all become a furthering of the slasher genre, which has always been blatant Jesus lovefests. I mean, who dies in these films? Those who have premarital sex, sexually active girls, those who do drugs, rational science types who refuse to believe in the irrational, black people, etc. If it hasn't happened already, soon you'll see flaming gay characters get the axe (literally) along with women who had abortions, and people who voted to Kerry and Nader. And Gibson's horror flick already went after the Jews. And finally, there can only be one Texas Chain Saw, and it already came out 30 years ago. I'm sorry all these other filmmakers couldn't preemptively rip off the film earlier, but such is life. They need to fuckin' deal with it already.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    I heard Zombie's changing the title and genre.

    by darthbinks1220

    It's going to be called "Hallowiener". Tagline will be "The night he came!"

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Sounds better than what Zombie has planned, Dr._Sin.

    by darthbinks1220

    The source material that is the '78 film was sublime. A competant remake would further the focus of Carpenter's masterpiece. Zombie is 'fleshing out' a completely different film. I agree with Quint. Lose the Shatner mask, and don't call it 'Halloween'. It's sad. McDowall could've played an outstanding Loomis. He'll never even get the chance w/ this drivel. This director's path is not inspired. He's catering to the lowest-common denominator. Memo to Mr. Zombie..... Halloween 101: Loomis is central. The Shape lies omniously on the fringes. Splatterfests have no place here.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Darthbinks and I will handle making the prequel, Zombie

    by Doctor_Sin

    Binks, let's make a younger Loomis (in our scenario) the psychiatrist for Mike's natural mom (in my plot). That gives Loomis an obsession with the whole Myers family. We could learn about Mike through Loomis' digging and obsessive investigating. Mike become the shadowy realm at the fringes of reality. Is Loomis just crazily obsessed or is Mike more than he seems?

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    From Mr. Zombie himself...

    by onemanarmy

    "I notice that so many people get crazy when someone you don't even know posts an opinion about what they think HALLOWEEN will or won't be. This is crazy. Do you really go through life influenced by the thoughts of others that easily?<p> Anyway, things change so much in a movie, from moment to moment, from second to second that all I can say is : see it for yourself and figure out if you like it or not. Really who gives a fuck what someone else thinks? Everybody likes different shit for differenet reasons. But deciding that you hate or love something that doesn't even exsist yet? Well, that a little ridiculous."<p> Sometimes I think 90% of the TB'rs on this site have nothing better to do than piss and moan. It's kinda funny when you think about how much someone can hate something they don't know anything about. Oh..yes...that's called ignorance. Think for yourselves. Judge the movie when you see it.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Also....

    by onemanarmy

    The twelfth TB posted on this thread hits the nail on the head. Drownbilly is 100% correct in that Rob isn't going for a remake of Halloween.<p> Ahhh, but who cares about facts right?! Cue the pissing and moaning.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Dr._Sin: Your ideas are fresh and still Halloween.

    by darthbinks1220

    The Carpenter original always had an unexplained vagueness. That's partially why it's so creepy. Any screenwriter walks a tightrope in uncovering some of the mystery. Still, at least your premises don't alter the central concept. On a side note, I bought the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror DVD recently. Zombie was featured prominently. Rob spoke about why the original worked while the sequels sputtered artistically. He really seemed to know his Halloween. That's what makes Quint's report so surprising. I hope we're all wrong about this remake. I genuinely want to see a film that does some justice to the original.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Zombie casts Vern Troyer.

    by darthbinks1220

    In the film, it's one thing when they mess w/Mike, but an entirely different matter when they mess w/ his Mini-Me.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    While visiting Rob's Halloween site I got depressed.

    by darthbinks1220

    On the Halloween: 25 Years of Terror DVD, Zombie comes across knowledgable and respectful toward Carpenter's masterwork. If you watch the You Tube snippet, the musician/director arrogantly belittles the '78 classic as dated and unrealistic. He knocks Pleasance's warnings of Myers as superficial. The former rockstar believes Michael is the focus, and the audience needs to learn firsthand how the boogeyman came to be. Guess Quint's script is genuine. Ugh! Here's the link to Zombie's Halloween site: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=101946169

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    Here's the link.

    by darthbinks1220

    The above post has a faulty link. How Rob could do such a 180 from the DVD to the You Tube interview is beyond me. Anyways, he it is: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=101946169

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 7:57 a.m. CST

    THE 37409

    by VERY METAL

    Is now down to 37380 not looking very good is it? HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah, "zombie" Cummings, I'll see your "film" all right

    by JackPumpkinhead

    I'll definitely download it. And seed it, so less people pay to see 90 minutes of footage showing you taking a dump on Carpenter.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Zombie must be stopped

    by WesReviews

    R.I.P. Michael Myers. Not even the casting of Danielle Harris saves this MESS. This is just terrible. If this is the best a "fan" of Halloween could do, I'd hate to see what the remake would become in the hands of a no-talent musician, whose first movie was AWFUL and whose second movie was nothing more than a jerk-off session to exploitation flicks. Oh wait... But is anyone really surprised? This is STILL technically the Dimension Films gang, you know.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    NEWS FLASH! TERRORISTS WIN!

    by TORTURE PWN

    Moustapha Akkad NEVER would have greenlit this shit.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by TORTURE PWN

    DAMN YOU ZOMBAY!

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Zombie is going George Lucas on us.

    by Gorrister

    The less known about a villians 'origin', the more frightening that villian is. With Myers in particular, everything suggested that he was raised in a typical, loving and happy home. And, I agree with Quint - The moment Michael Myers actually speaks, he's dead as a character.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    A NEW PHRASE TO REPLACE GOTTA EAT...

    by jack-torrance

    NO THE FUCK YOU DIDN'T!

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    NO THE FUCK YOU DIDN'T!

    by jack-torrance

    Leave Zombie alone. The guy is doing a "reimagining." That means he can do whatever he wants. If it was to be exactly like the original, he'd be doing a shot-for-shot remake, like Van Sant's PSYCHO. If you want to see the original just the way you like it, put on the DVD of Carpenter's movie. Zombie is making a different film altogether.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    The only reason Myersis so iconic

    by TORTURE PWN

    is BECAUSE of the mystery surrouning him.The mask is blank so the audience can input there own fears onto it.His origin also for the same reason.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    sounds terrible.

    by nalapou

    unfortunate. original is a masterpiece

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Michael Myers and Purposeful Ambiguity

    by Felix Buckman

    I’m de-lurking after several years -- years, mind you -- to chime in here. Just as ‘Godzilla’ was an expression of fear about nuclear war in the wake of WWII, ‘Halloween’ was an expression of fear of the then-newly-entrenched suburbanism that grew out of the Baby Boom. Both became iconic because they captured those fears so thoroughly. After thirty years of middle-class expansion and flight away from urban areas, people found themselves away from the crowded, yet familiar, enclaves of the cities -- away from Chinatown, Little Italy, the old Irish neighborhood. Their neighbors weren’t people they saw every day in the hallway or on the stoop. They hid behind well-draped windows across green moats of manicured lawn. ‘Halloween’’s power to frighten came from one simple assertion: That kid next door? The one who looks like every other kid? The one you vaguely know lives there but you don’t really know him or his family? Well, that kid snapped last night... and he killed his own sister. He’s capable of anything. He could’ve been any kid. Even yours. The Shape’s mask reenforces this assertion -- it’s blank and devoid of color, allowing you, the viewer, to assign any face to that space. His build? Wholly average. Average, as in, he could be any guy. Not a bodybuilder. Not a former professional wrestler. The kid next door. Giving him a voice literally gives him a voice figuratively, thus rendering this critical ambiguity even more impotent. Zombie’s approach is to eviscerate the very power of the ‘Halloween’ premise just as effectively, and I am not employing hyperbole here, as turning ‘Halloween’ into a musical, set in Oklahoma, with Nathan Lane as Loomis. Zombie, indeed.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Quint, You sure you didn't read the script to Psycho 4?

    by Gorrister

    Sounds a lot like the 'origin' of Norman Bates.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    I used to think Zombie knew his shit...

    by TORTURE PWN

    now he's going out of his way to throw his horror cred out the window.Go ahead Rob, piss on the fanbase.Piss on John Carpenter.Piss on Moustapha Akkad's grave.See where it gets you.You obviously aren't ready in your career to tackle HALLOWEEN when you can't even get the main character right."Re-imagine"(God how I despise that excuse)all you want but at least even the shittiest of the sequels understood the concept of The Shape/The Boogeyman.Hell,the curse of the Thorn storyline was even more interesting and original than another fucking poor abused asshole picks up a knife and decides to take it out on everyone else.Seeing as how both his previous film were just a hodge podge of scenes,character names,and camera tricks from other movies originality would be too much to ask for.Why rip off the worst of the HALLOWEEN knockoffs when you have the rights to the real deal right in your fucking hands?What ain't broke don't need fixin.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Scary, not scary, how about a different spin?

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    I could care less what did or didn't make Myers scary in the original. The annoying thing about this script (and the idiotic comments about it) is why bother doing a 'reimagining' of a good film and muck it down in horror cliche? What about that pesky imagination part? Halloween is a great project for Zombie because the name is recognizable and it should make money regardless of how shitty it is. It's no surprise that a total fraud of an artist like Zombie is making a total fraud of a movie.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Has anyone checked out the Halloween remake MySpace?

    by The Heathen

    It's scary. Not because it's a bunch of old goth-metal people saying that Zombie can do no wrong, but they, well they make a tb on AICN look like friggin a conversation amongst scholars. <br> <br> http://tinyurl.com/yeomxn <br> <br> I like how Zombie is ranting about stuff changing during the course of making a movie, but never denies Michael Myers taking a shit with his poopy mask. Help us all.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    re: Felix Buckman

    by The Heathen

    Awesome post. I completely agree. If you said something like that on Zombie's Halloween blog you'd be surprised by the ridiculous responses. Cheers.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    For Fucks Sake...

    by TheLastAngryMan

    ...Putting aside this obsession Hollywood has for remakes, and the fact that more and more talkbackers are getting silently resigned to it rather then boycotting each of these lazy, inept attempts at filmaking, why the fuck are we even discussing this shit? Halloween is a classic horror film that works today as much as it did on release, and in no way needs a remake. No matter what Rob shitbrains Zombie says, its all an exercise in making money on the back of the origionals success. Burn in hell Hollywood.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    And Another Thing...

    by TheLastAngryMan

    ...As i remember saying back in a earlier talkback about the Wickerman remake (Hollywood has no shame), Quint, Carpenters The Thing film is not a remake. The first Thing film shares its title with the origional pulp story, and thats about where the similarities end. Carpenters Thing is an origional film of this story.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    there is still time

    by bib fortuna

    to remake movies like 'Silent Night, Deadly Night', 'My Bloody Valentine', 'Prom Night' and others. Hell, Hollywood won't have to strain their brains or risk their dollars with an original story for the next 50 years! I saw a screening copy of 'going to pieces' a doc. about the history of slasher films (comes out in March) that included a lot of those really bad 70s-80s movies. If Zombie wants to ruin an icon like Myers I won't be watching.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    i spoke too soon

    by bib fortuna

    According to IMDB, remakes of 'Prom Night', "Sleepaway Camp' and 'Hellraiser' are slated for the next couple years.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I hate the word "reimagining"

    by reflecto

    It's always a pretentious term for "we're shamelessly taking the name and/or concept and raping it." There is a way to do a decent remake of "Halloween," I know that now after seeing what Zombie is NOT doing. But his fanbase can't just say, "oh put in the original movie if you want to." It's not about that. This isn't like Rob Zombie is taking away a few actors and a few ideas, he's mutilating the entire core concept of the Shape, that he is a blank slate of evil, that he is silent and sleek, that there is no concrete explanation, that he came from normal roots and is stalking "normal" suburbia. Turning this into another "look, I cast Ken Foree and Bill Moseley, love me you guys, love me!" Redneck Psychotic Hootenanny is fucking retarded. Not every movie can be a warmed-over rehash of "The Hills Have Eyes" and "Last House On The Left," Rob. Not every movie SHOULD be "Last House On The Left."

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Felix Buckman pretty much put this one to bed

    by Mattapooh

    Also, the idea of a Hellraiser remake makes me physically sick. That movie is one of the most original, interesting and disturbing films of all time. Judging by how badly the Halloween "reimagining" is coming off in the hands of a self-proclaimed fan of the original (which may be true, but he obviously has no understanding of why it was good to begin with), Hellraiser hasn't got any semblance of a chance.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    mattapooh

    by bib fortuna

    >Hellraiser hasn't got any semblance >of a chance. Don't you mean it has 'no chance in hell'? heh...

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    True, the series is already screwed up

    by Gorrister

    Personally, I don't acknowledge any Halloween movie aside from the first two (only because they are pretty much one story). The sequels were screwed up enough, then H2O selectively ignored some of the sequels. As for Ressurrection, I don't know what the hell they were thinking. I especially don't know why Curtis bothered coming back at all. Especially considerig the lame-ass way they killed her off.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    re: Hellraiser remake, more on Halloween

    by The Heathen

    I thought I read/saw Barker say that he personally wanted to remake it instead of someone else. Maybe not. Either way, I don't think it needs to be remade - it still freaks me out just fine. <br> <br> As for the Halloween sequels that sucked? I think that's why so many are angry about this early script of Zombies - if this remake sucks, then the Halloween franchise is pretty much guaranteed to always suck. <br> <br> My favorite thing to come out of H2O was Conan interviewing somebody from it and saying he'd be angry if there wasn't water all over the place.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Gorrister

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I believe Curtis was under a contractual obligation to return. Every Halloween sequel I've seen has been shit including H20 which was utter bollox. I still haven't seen Halloween 2 though, which is why I was always confused by the sister thing which to be honest I don't really like, I guess I should watch it though as that seems to be only sequel that's supposed to be any good.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    ZOMBIE MASTURBATES TO POLAROIDS OF ANIMALS HE'S KILLED

    by alraydius

    WHILE LISTENING TO THEM DIE ON PLAYBACK FROM HIS TRUSTY TAPE RECORDER If only it was shorter there might be another annoying catchphrase there.

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Yakov Smirnoff joke # 5

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Whadda country! In America, you listen to tape recording of dying animals. In my country, dying animals listen to tape recording of YOU!"

  • Jan. 14, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK = ZOMBIE MASTURBATES TO POLAROID

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Yeah.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    If Zombie went with everything Quint said here..

    by Doc_Strange

    You'd have the same movie that came out before. What's the point?

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    Zombie is a credit to his name

    by VoxMillennium

    For only a braindead person would come up with a script like this. I think that a backstory to Michael Myers is feasable, but you would have to be very dilligent in the approach as indeed less is more and particularly in this case explaining him away with 3rd rate cheap psychology is the worst way to treat him. I would make a movie about his past, but without explaining the evil. For example I would show his birth without any of the usual trimmings of a rainy night with a thunderstorm going in. I would show his birth (on Halloween night of course) as an event where the mother nearly dies and when finally he's born, he doesn't cry like normal babies but simply breathes and when the nurse first picks him up talking baby talk with a smile on her face, the baby suddenly opens its eyes that are revealed to be coal black and looks at her. Camera switches between his eyes and hers and her smile freezes and is replaced by a look of deep fear and she quickly puts him back in his crib. End of birth scene. In this way you tell a backstory without taking a way the mythic qualities of the character that made him so great in the first place.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 2:19 a.m. CST

    Zombie feels remakes should be different.

    by darthbinks1220

    Great. Make a different movie, and don't call it Halloween.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST

    I love Halloween 3

    by CuervoJones

    Great movie, bad title

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    I KNEW it.....

    by d3funct

    But the Zombie defenders came out of the woodwork saying how great he is. The guys a fuckin hack.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Let's not be judge this movie

    by foxmulder241

    Based on the review of stolen unknow script review, Look at BTTF the script was way differnt then the movie was

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    People are confusing "different" with "good."

    by HotblackDesiato

    Just because Zombie's version is different doesn't automatically make it good. He can re-imagine and change all that he wants. I, personally, do not care. Halloween is my favorite horror film of all-time, but I love remakes and am fine with this being done. BUT I want it done right. Different isn't automatically good. These ideas, while just being essentially a blueprint, are still stupid, immature and make this sound like Devil's Rejects 1.5: The Haddonfield Clan. At the beginning of Carpenter's film Michael's parents didn't look like white trash to me. Why not explore a normal child in a good family with a good life, and watch something go horribly inexplicably wrong with him?? THAT'S scary. Explaining it away like this is lazy, rote and just plain dumb. This sounds like the sort of script you can whip up after lunch and finish before dinner. Basic color-by-numbers crap, and another phoney Rob Zombie white trash sleazefest. The guy tries so fucking hard that all he ends up with is white noise. What a douche.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Breakin' Begins

    by Dr Gregory House

    Time for a reimaging!

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Why I hate the prequels.

    by darthbinks1220

    We find out why Vader becomes evil. Tarnishes the legacy of the original trilogy.

  • Jan. 15, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Jessica Biel should be Laurie Strode.

    by darthbinks1220

    She was terrific in the Chainsaw remake, and I liked her better than Snipes in Trinity. She's also hot like Jamie Lee was, hotter even.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    *SPOILER*

    by Tin Snoman

    Dr. Loomis is now actually MICHAEL MYERS' FATHER!!!!! What makes it interesting is that, as far as I can tell, this is a very new concept and could revolutionize filmmaking across the board. I mean, who would expect it? It's the kind of twist that's so crazy and completely original, IT JUST MIGHT WORK!!!

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Wow, but this sounds shit awful.

    by Childe Roland

    I'm usually not against remakes and I'm one of those annoying "don't judge a film solely on a leaked script" guys, but this interpretation of Myers just baffles me. The whole creepiness of the character was his silence and the whole menace was his methodical approach. If this script is reflective of where we're headed, Zombie's taken the Batman of movie slashers and turned him into just another gigantic mugging lunatic. Sad.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 8:34 a.m. CST

    How about this then....

    by emeraldboy

    In the middle of Grindhouse, there is a faux trailer for a real film. Rod Zombie's latest Werewolf women and the SS. In the movie, in order to win the war Hitler has set up a plan to create a race of Superhuman female Werewolves and among the stars in Nicholas Cage. The above appeared on Dark Horizons.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Indeed, abomination.

    by Childe Roland

    She brings the hotness.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Season of the Witch

    by Darth Melkor

    I thought it was a great movie, but yeah never should have been called Halloween. Even Mustapha Akkad stated that on the Halloween doc DVD. Said it should have just been called Season of the Witch. It gets ripped on cause of the Halloween title, an no Michael Myers. Shame, good movie.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    How about remaking/rebooting "Blair Witch"?

    by Doctor_Sin

    Maybe then it'll be scary and interesting.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    No Words

    by Turd Furgeson

    Can describe how dissapointed I am.... If this winds up being close to what we see on film, it will be a remarkable failure. Fuck you Rob Zombie for even considering ruining one of the greatest movie vilians of all time. I hope you read all these posts and see what a mistake you are making. You aren't a fan of horror! You're a fan of your own reflection and your name in lights, apparently at any expense.... Cocksucker.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Fangoria weighs in

    by reflecto

    Fangoria gave the script a limply positive review on their site. I was unimpressed.

  • Jan. 16, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I'd let Myers chop off my right arm..

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    for a sniff of Jessica Biel's taint.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Fangoria...

    by Henamonster

    From Fangoria's script review, "Next to James Gunn’s DAWN OF THE DEAD and Scott Kosar’s TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE scripts, Zombie’s HALLOWEEN is yet another wild, daring mesh of old and new in this decade’s spate of divergent remakes. In spite of franchise purists’ expectations, Zombie has made HALLOWEEN his own..." And Tim Burton made Planet of the Apes his own as well. I'm wondering who convinced Fangoria to review the script, because it comes off more as a bullet-point response to Quint's review and this talkback rather than an unbiased analysis.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    Judge Dredd: Definately watch Halloween 2

    by Gorrister

    Don't expect it to be as great as the original, but I think it's about as good a follow-up as it possibly could be. Also, if you watch it as "the final movie of the series" it very neatly wraps up the entire story. And I agree with you about the 'sister' storyline being pulled out of someones ass, but the movie is good enough for viewers to forgive this angle.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Thanks for not liking something crappy

    by www.valiens.com

    It gives me faith that at least some at AICN can still distinguish between crap and craptastic.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Thanks Gorrister

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Ill check it out asap.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Even if this is the shooting draft

    by hktelemacher

    Scripts are sometimes hard to get a handle on - good ones can sometimes read poorly and bad ones can seem pretty good. With dialogue like Zombie's it takes somebody like William Forsythe or a Ken Foree to give it any kind of life or vitality. If I had read the DEVIL'S REJECTS script, all of Wydell's lines would have sounded and seemed just as cliched as they really were but a guy like Forsythe comes in and makes you forget all that. Say what you will, I think Zombie has a leg up on both casting and cutting. He seems to have a fantastic rapport with his actors and peppers his movies with really cool performances, even if it does sometimes seem like nostalgic genre stunt casting. And if you look at REJECTS, two of the coolest musical montages I've seen (especially in a horror movie) - the Peckinpah-esque "Midnight Rider" title sequence and the great "To Be Treated" bounty hunters descend on Charlie's sequence - were both culled from individual scenes that, as far as the deleted scenes on the DVD show, were just rambling, stagnant bullshit not originally conceived as montage. Based on one script review from the always hypercriticial-unless-Peter-Jackson-shot-it Quint, I'm still giving Zombie the benefit of the doubt that the flick will work as a Rob Zombie movie, which is what I'm most excited about. I could care less about how faithful it is the classic original and the crappy, made up as they went along mythology of the franchise. I want to see Zombie's take on a slasher film, and maybe the ultimate slasher film at that. Since this was announced I was kind of hoping he would piss all over the source material as long as it WORKS. And based on a script review of an unknown draft and the fact that the cast is strong and Zombie's surge in ability and sensibility between his first two movies - I'm still optimistic.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Fangoria's review...

    by Yogsoggoth

    Since when did Fangoria start doing script reviews? Seems to me Zombie called in a favor or offered them some special coverage to help stop the bad press. Anywho, Fangoria just confirmed that Quint was reviewing that actual script and I guess this movie will, in fact, suck balls. Is anyone surprised?

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    DAM YOU ROB ZOMBIE

    by Turd Furgeson

    DAM YOU ROB ZOMBIE

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    jennifer

    by d3funct

    Bloody Disgusting is saying this has been delayed for rewrites and that Lidy Booth is Laurie Strode.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Luv That Zombie !

    by darkmetal

    I like the fact that Rob Zombie is remaking Halloween. The review lets me believe that it will be a prequel. I don't think I would have put Sheri Moon in this one and let total unknowns assume the roles. The reviewer Quint didn't like some things about the script but Rob Zombie always has had a different outlook on things. I would wait and see the movie before I made a decision on whether it's good or bad. With two successful films under his belt I bet this movie is bizarre and will be a hit !

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Halloween: 25 Years of Terror DVD

    by MissionMan8

    I loved the home movie footage of a young Michael Myers with his back to us, waving the camera away at the beginning of the documentary. When I caught that, I thought the remake should definitely begin the same way. We should never get a clear view of Michael's face. Figurately, his face should always be masked even when he's not wearing one.

  • Jan. 17, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Myers speaks...

    by TORTURE PWN

    According to FANGORIA's article Myers speaks only a single word of dialog.So let me guess...since Laurie's childhood nickname is "Boo" we can expect him to utter that word when he encounters her towards the end in some corny-ass attempt at an 'OH SHIT...'moment.Don't worry if you miss the line though it'll be the same word the audience will be yelling at the screen.Just a prediction.

  • Jan. 18, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    hktelemacher

    by hktelemacher

    You really think the same audience that made Stomp The Yard # 1 last weekend will boo Zombie's HALLOWEEN?

  • Jan. 18, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    TOM ATKINS GOTTA EAT

    by la_sith

    Seriously...someone needs to stick this incredible actor in something soon. He's gotta be on food stamps.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    I think Zombie confused Michael Myers with Jason

    by RavenRules

    Sure, it had brief moments of topless nudity, but Halloween was never about being a sleazy exploitation flick. If Zombie wanted to make another sleazy horror movie, he should've picked a series that pretty much soaks in sleaze and loves it: "Friday the 13th". The 'Lifetime made for TV' backstory Rob gave Michael would've fit Jason much better, also. The thing that *MADE* Michael Myers evil is: he had pretty much the perfect childhood, loving parents, and one day he just snapped and killed his sister. He was pure evil, with no reason. Now Rob is just turning him into another sympathetic wimp of a serial killer. Hell, he might as well just call him "Mikey".

  • March 13, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    this will suck dick!

    by kosiewicz

    I wonder what kind of heavy metal tunes will be on the soundtrack for this

  • April 12, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    This makes me sad...

    by incomplete0128

    I can only hope that it will get better. I hate that he made it more into a joke than waht it could have been. It could have been an amazing movie if thought out properly! Casting Daniel Harris was a god move, but come on, you would have to find a genius to be able to pull of Dr. Loomis the way Donald Pleasance did! I will probably see it, but only bc I am a HUGE fan of the original and bc Michael Myers is my hero, but I doubt it will do much justice to John Capenter's original!

  • April 19, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Horrible beyond Whore-able...

    by laurieannielindaforever

    Just read this "early draft script"...horrible, horrible....did i mention this script is fucking HORRIBLE... yeah, yeah...i "get it" that things have changed from it and all of that...but this is still a "blue print" of things to come..and the essence of what is in this no talent shit of a script takes it to the unfathomable realms of GARBAGE... i really tried to keep an "open mind"...seeing that there was no stopping this train wreck of stupidity from happening...but the dialogue, the whole "White Trash" abusive family, stripper Mom thing and the incestual innuendo in the script is so sad...and just more than that it's just dumb and bad.... and it seems that every male in the script comes complete with the Long Hair, trailer trash look...and the girls dialogue is an insult the essence of the original three from the Classic Halloween....this realm being "re-imagined"...is but another sign of the oncoming of the Apocolypse to me..a world where nothing is Sacred anymore....this isn't a re-imagining..it's an "UN-Imagining"...i thank the gods that i'm not alone in my opinion that this "film" is just completely and utterly an insult to the one and only original Halloween....i shudder to think this will be a huge success...and parts of the trailer made me burst out laughing...the "loomis" line "the eyes of a pscyhopath"...made me chortle in how utterly stupid it sounded and in sheer awe of disgust....sigh...

  • June 21, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Read the script also...

    by screamster101

    I'm sorry, but I like it. It has a totally different view. That's what I like about it. It's not the same shit. I think this will be good.

  • Aug. 11, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Quint, you are an idiot.

    by MonsterVision101

    In the original script of Halloween, Michael Myers was written into the script as "The Shape". Rob Zombie is doing everything he can to try to take it back to the original script. For you to just read a script, and start writing about something you have no knowledge in shows your ignorance. I suggest you do a little research on Myers, or possibly even watch the Halloween 25 Years DVD to get some education on the character that is Michael Myers, aka.."THE SHAPE". Anybody that slanders this film, and talks badly about Rob Zombie doesn't know jack about any type of horror genre. They also probably thought Quentin Tarantino, and Rodriguez were stupid, and 'unrealistic' when they wrote GRINDHOUSE. For those people, I also suggest they actually look up into what a grindhouse is. The Biggest, and Smartest Horror Fan Ever.. Joe Rob Riggs.

  • Sept. 3, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    remakes

    by Booger Woods

    thank god for remakes...i have never seen a remake that did not blow away the originals...they were good for their time but now i would not watch them if you paid me..next The Exorcist..And Nightmare on Elm st.

  • Nov. 1, 2011, 8:48 p.m. CST

    gotta take a shit?

    by Bunger!