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Rob Zombie tells us what we can expect his Michael Myers to look like!? Radical departure or everyone's favorite Shatner mask???

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a teeny tiny tidbit from Rob Zombie regarding his HALLOWEEN semi-remake/prequel thing. He's been using his MySpace page to announce cast (the biggies so far being Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis and Tyler Mane as Myers... love the former, waiting to be convinced of the latter... but since he doesn't open his mouth and we don't see his face, it'll be hard for him to screw it up). This time he updated with his excitement over his first viewing of the new Michael Myers mask.

I've just seen Wayne Toth's finished mask for Michael and all I can say is "HOLY FUCK". It looks perfect. exactly like the original. Not since 1978 has the shape looked so good. Wayne worked this sucker to death and boy did it pay off.

You'd think that'd be a given, but these days you can never assume a remake or a prequel will make the obvious, smart choices... like keeping an iconic character recognizable. I'm not a fan of the ramped up remakes of late, but I've always been less resistant to these ideas when in the hands of someone talented and passionate about the original. Zombie's DEVIL'S REJECTS had a great, '70s grindhouse type feel to it. I'm still wary, but better him that Paul WS Anderson, eh?


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  • Jan. 4, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I trust Mr. Zombie.

    by savagexp

    If he says it's good, then it must be so. Also -- First?

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    I have faith..

    by BigFo

    in Mr Zombie.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    What's the point?

    by halfmahalfn

    Was Mike Myers even famous in 78? I thought it all started with Austin Powers. And why not just hire a lookalike instead of going the gollum route? Tom Cruise played him in Goldmember, right?

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Yeah one of the films I'm most looking forward to...

    by Ernie Souchak

    I think Zombie will make this genuinely scary/disturbing. And I have heard the structure will be similar to Dimension's BLACK CHRISTMAS with "new" flashbacks set in a retelling of the original Lori Strode/Loomis narrative. Anyone else hear this? No BLACK CHRISTMAS jokes please.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    THE BILL SHATNER MASK GOTTA EAT

    by Pound Sand

    I don't have the stones to check out Rob Zombie's MySpace, but I'm glad to see him referred to as, "Shape."

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Hate to admit this.

    by BigFo

    I'm excited to get my first FIRST. Now my life can continue in all it's glory.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    are you playing dumb halfmahalfn?

    by white owl

    or are you really that stupid?

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    McDowell is perfect

    by Marillion

    He's got that same "I'm a little nuts myself" look about him just like Pleasence did... This should be fun.. Probably a rental for me, but fun none the less...

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Should be a Picard mask.

    by Christopher3

    Remake needs to get with the times.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Picard mask - now that's awesome.

    by briantag

    Talkback awards 2007. The year is still early. But there are a couple strong contenders already out the gate. Best talkback comment I've seen in a long time: Picard mask -- right on, clever. Right above it: Cocktimus Prime - best talkback name I've seen in a long time.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    TOO SILVER!

    by Wasserman

    The mask is just too silver...

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Should be an Austin Powers mask.

    by zabu 123

    Think about it.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    ROB ZOMBIES PET GOAT GOTTA TEAT

    by RKDN Del Sol

    we're fresh out of ...GOTTA EAT jokes. We should get more by next tuesday. "This forum is a geological oddity. Two weeks from damn near everywhere"

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    So the mask will be the same...great...however...

    by Messiahman

    The guy he cast to wear it this time around just happens to be a `roided-out UFC reject. Not to mention the fact that Zombie is turning Myers into a "sympathetic" abused trailer park trash serial killer whose slutty mom is played by Rob's wife. I like THE DEVIL'S REJECTS just fine, but so far virtually everything about this remake is utterly wrong. Demystifying Myers is a monumental mistake. He's not a serial killer with traceable human failings -- he's the personification of pure evil stalking bland suburbia. Giving him a face and a life and definitive reasoning completely drains the character of everything that made him interesting in the first place.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I'm noy buying the leaked story rumors

    by PushTheButton

    "abused trailer park trash serial killer whose slutty mom is played by Rob's wife." I'm starting to think this was a bad rumor and not part of the actual script. I'm hoping the "backstory" is more of what freeked Loomis out in the first place about Myers, not excuses for his actions.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    The leaked casting sheets were confirmed...

    by Messiahman

    By Zombie himself.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Should be a Wesley crusher mask...

    by Bong

    Finally we can make him useful

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Why not a Jim Carrey mask?

    by halfmahalfn

    Or, better yet, a Rocky Dennis mask? Oh, and sorry White Owl, was just playing. Like Zabu 123, I am thinking about it.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    As for those who say they "trust" Zombie...

    by Messiahman

    Let me be the first on this thread to again bring up the fact that he's a liar and a sellout. Zombie put up this front that he was a filmmaker struggling to make a movie on his terms, a man trying to work outside the system, and then he completely turns around goes to a fail safe. A remake. Something he swore he'd NEVER DO. He's a phony, and a sell out. Watching him trying to pretend what he's doing is unique from all the other hacks remaking a classic is hilarious. "Yes, I'm doing a remake, but so what? I'm still an auteur." He tried to pretend he was Carpenter, when really he's just Brett Ratner with a beard.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Should Be a Mr. Tamborine Mask...

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...go Bill.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Meh...

    by JunoFallon

    I don't mind Zombie as a musician, but I don't like his films. They feel a bit too self indulgent to me, and I don't really see the need to remake Halloween anyways.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Hard for Tyler Mane to fuck it up?

    by Sledge Hammer

    No, actually, it'd be really easy for Tyler Mane to fuck this up. He could bring absolutely no character or style to the movements of his Michael Myers and just lumber along Jason style. Playing Michael Myers isn't just "walk, walk, stab", much like Karloff's Frankenstein it's about creating a character through physicality and without the benefit of dialogue. Something that Carpenter's Halloween did so well. There was a subtlety to Myers, particularly in the original film, a way of moving and looking at things, and I just don't see Mane pulling that off, in fact all I see from Mane is a Jason style "walk walk stab" performance. Hope I'm wrong and he surprises me. We'll see.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    I dunno, I always thought

    by Novaman5000

    Meyers moved a little bit silly in the originals, he's kind of jerky... I don't know I'd call that "subtlety". Still, I don't think this series needs to be remade... I'd rather just see a new entry that gets back to the basics (and the storyline) after that awe-in-a-bad-way-inducing pile of trash that was "Resurrection"

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    please Rob Zombie...

    by zombieslayer

    it would be inspired to at least test out a Picard mask...

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Regardless of his movements,

    by rainbowtrout1265

    Regardless of his movements, Michael Myers didn't look like someone who spent every waking moment in the gym bulking up, which Mane does.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    I'm not really a big horror much but...

    by TheSeeker7

    so maybe you boys can tell me... is this thing seeming pretty much as pointless as the Gus Van Sant remake of "PSYCHO" was? I mean granted I know that the answer's ultimately yes, but I mean like is it a real emphatic yes or what. Oh and Harry, could we not have this pathetic Pound Of Sand banned? Actually shame on me, because I've already just given him exactly what he's been hoping for from everyone with this extended tirade of unfunny lunacy -- ATTENTION. Oh to be 13 again... *sigh*

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    "...better him that Paul WS Anderson, eh?"

    by The Dum Guy

    That's like saying eating rancid tuna is better than eat a sandwich made of fecal matter, however I really did enjor The Devil's Rejects, so I'll with-hold judgement until I see it.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    "roided-out UFC reject"?

    by UMAGA

    Mane was a wrestler if I remember correctly.<br><br> WS version would have been awesome. Johnny Cage versus Michael Myers in a karate tournament hosted by a killer spaceship in a pyramid deep underground.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    UFC reject...wrestler...same difference...

    by Messiahman

    Either way, the idea of turning the stealthy Shape into a hulking behemoth is still plain stupid. The reason why he's "The Shape" is because we know nothing about him other than his form. It's clear that Zombie has no interest in making him "The Shape" but another abused serial killer. What made Micheal so perfectly frightening in Halloween was the apparent lack of motive. Presenting him him as just another abused serial killer who's apparently been hitting the asylum gym is ridiculous and contrived.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    No, no, give him the other Michael Myers mask!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    The new mask. The one that Michael Myers wore in the recent classic Dr Seuss film in which he said the immortal line "Dirty hoe!"

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Oh, while the "gotta eat" line is the worst fucking fad

    by JackPumpkinhead

    in AICN's history, I can't help it but say "Rob Zombie gotta eat... BRAAAAINSSS!" (Actually, after I saw the abortion that he called "House of 1 Corpse" or something like that, I know that even if he ate a brain stew of Einstein and Homer, he still would be too moronic to write and direct even a Family Guy episode)

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    I hope if this movie bombs...

    by Citizin_insane

    it will be the final time the Halloween franchise dies. Though it'd be cool to jump start the whole franchise (like 007), I'm starting to become as angry as Laurie Strod that this fucker just wont stay dead!

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    I mean Halloween was just a couple months ago.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    maybe the mask should be...

    by decfx

    present day Shatner, puffy and bloated.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    JackPumpkinhead

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    THANK YOU!!! i fucking hate this new "Gotta Eat" thing...god i'd even take FIRST any day...as for Holloween i really dont care...Myers is fucking boring...walk...walk...disappear...reappear...stab...the end...wow

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    This has to be the most unnecessary remake since that

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Phycho debacle.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    This has to be the most unnecessary remake since that

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Psycho debacle.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    HINO! HINO! HINO!

    by finky089

    Halloween in Name Only!!!!!

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Man

    by QuinnTheEskimo

    I know everbody hates it, and I usually hate this shit too, but I really do enjoy the ...GOTTA EAT thing. I am a sad human being.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    by the way, does anyone know why Michael Myers kills?

    by Citizin_insane

    Or what possessed him when he was a child? Or who that 'man in black' was in the 5th movie? Or why he wants to kill HIS family? Was any of this cleared up in the past movies?

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Citizin_insane

    by The Dum Guy

    In Halloween 3 we learn that Michael Myers was born with a 2/3 of an inch penis, and that humiliation causes him to kill.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I justed wikipedia'ed it

    by Citizin_insane

    the whole mythology is kinda lame. Still, I didnt know the Shape's mask is actually captim kirk. ha

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Do I have to dig up the thread that proves I was 1st

    by CTU Mole

    with the "Picard mask" quip? Never mind. It's wasn't that funny, you can have it.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Dum Guy

    by Citizin_insane

    I think thats the same reason Mr Zombie is compelled to make this self-indulgent piece of crap.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one who thinks using the same mask is

    by CTU Mole

    the wrong play? <p>Think of the two horror remakes that almost everyone agrees was better than the original. Did the antagonist look the same in either of them? Of course not. If your character with no personality is going to look the same in your remake, then just make a sequel. Because what else do you have?</p>

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    i can't wait but mane better not fuck it up

    by hellnback

    i'm looking forward to seeing this movie mainly cuz i'm a rob zombie fan. but if mane doesn't portray the shape right than i'll lose total confidence in zombie. whenever i watched the halloween movies i saw michael as this person who just wasn't in control of his own body. at times he had this herky jerky way of walking and it looked like he was confused most of the time but of course this was just the way michael was supposed to be. not only that but michael always had this dead look to his eyes, like there was nothing there, like he wasn't thinking at all and his killing was just instinctive. he was often quick but at times slow enough. and he had this way of blending into the shadows where you swore you just saw him stading over by the corner but weren't sure of it. i'm hoping mane can bring this sort of this back in michael and do the character right and zombie doesn't screw it up.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Hey!!! Let's Put A Face ON...

    by future help

    Leatherface....RUINED. Dr. Lector...RUINED. Darth Vader...RUINED. Michael Myers...will be RUINED. never works. PERIOD.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Rombie should remake Season of the Witch!

    by INWOsuxRED

    The movie that wasn't about Halloween(the movie) or witches(the people), but was about mass murdering children for no apparent reason. Whats not to like about that?

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    You guys wanna know a secret?

    by rev_skarekroe

    The original Halloween wasn't a very good movie.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Use the mask from Devils Rejects

    by S-Mart shopper

    More importantly, is Zombie doing the score & soundtrack like Carpenter???? That could ROCK the testies right out the sack!

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Too soon for a sexy tomboy beanpole with flaming ...

    by Yotz Von Frelnik

    ... nipples to eat, have a beer and cheet on Shatner! If anyone can pull off a respectable remake of one of the most iconic horror films it's got to be Rob.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Hey rev_skarekroe, wanna know an even bigger secret?

    by Messiahman

    You don't have very good taste in films.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    future help, you're right on the money.

    by one9deuce

    The thing that makes a mysterious character so appealing is........THEY'RE MYSTERIOUS! Keep the mystery Hollywood, quit destroying iconic characters. If you haven't noticed, you're running out of them. rev_skarekroe, I got to disagree with you, the original Halloween is a masterpiece slasher film. Whether you think slasher films have any merit or not is your own opinion of course.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Messiahman

    by one9deuce

    You should have said "You want to know what isn't a secret?" to rev_skarekroe.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    Zombie must be stopped at all costs

    by Doctor_Sin

    This will suck. You will not enjoy this.

  • Jan. 4, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Damn you, Jar Jar Binks

    by darthbinks1220

    Damn you, Jar Jar Binks

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Just a few thoughts from a huge fan...

    by JERRY HORROR

    Well at least Zombie got one thing right thus far. This was a no brainer though. I don't think the fan's would have accepted anything else. The mask is the real star, it's iconic, simple and haunting. One thing I would do personally, is have a backstory where Michael gets his toungue cut out. It would explain why he doesn't speak. To make this franchise scary again, there has to be roots firmly planted in logic. With this film, (I hold the original very near and dear to my heart) I would rather just avoid trailers and spoilers. I wanna see it late at night, all f**ked up. As a die hard fan, trust me, I want this film to work even more than the shareholders. Nuff said.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    fuck rob zombie

    by misnomer

    and fuck goths. How DARE they mess with halloween. How....dare...they.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST

    ...an ounce of reason..

    by The Dum Guy

    Come on all you hating muthafukers, would you really have faith in anyone re-imagining such an important piece of cinema? No, of course not, Halloween in it's time was one of the greatest Indie (pre-Indie) films ever made, from what I've heard it rivals the Blair Witch with box-office gross adjusted, so to say this is a good idea is just fuckbungles, but Zombie is better than 69% of the 'horror' film-makers today... All's I's got's to say is shut-up, and judge this on it's own merits (at least they didn't go with a 'Shape-sans-mask', Imagine Michael Myers if he was just too lazy/crazy to care if his face was covered)... I should stop drinking.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Frankly I don't want to know more about myers

    by andrew coleman

    I agree with an above TB that knowing classic villains back grounds have lead to nothing but boring failures. Vader a classic probably best baddie of all time-prequels dented his legacy. Same goes with a lot these toss backs. Why do you think people liked Boba Fett so much? Because we knew nothing about him he just kicked ass. Same goes for Darth Maul and Hans Gruber. Hans only back story was he got offended that people called him a robber instead of a terrorist. I already know this movie will probably just be "meh" visually it will probably be alright but the story will suck! If I'm wrong then Zombie is a serious master at making horror films. But I really doubt this movie will be anything more than A LOT of gore and a backstory for Myers that no one will care about.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    I wanna see Sheri Moon as a Werewolf woman of the SS

    by CuervoJones

    yes i do

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST

    Those awful leaked casting sheets sealed the deal...

    by Messiahman

    Personally, although I'm a fan of both of his films, I'm sick to death of Zombie's obsession with trailer trash carnival freaks. Okay, it was cool the first couple of times, but it's time to start growing aesthetically. Zombie has mined this particular style in all his albums, in all his concerts, in all his posters, in all his songs, in all his films. We get it Rob, you think trailer trash equals "gritty." Now, is there anything else you've got, or was that it? I had hoped this was a chance for Zombie to try something different, to try a new aesthetic that didn't involve strippers, jailbait, retards, hicks, and masturbating freaks... but it's starting to seem like that's all he's got in him. The strange thing is, a couple of months ago when he hosted the Underground Classics late night horror series on TMC for the last few weeks, he proved that his taste in horror is terrific and covers a WIDE variety of styles and subgenres. He knows good movies. He likes different kinds of style in cinema. So why the hell does he seem to keep going back to the SAME OLD WELL every single time?

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Really funny how people stand up for this movie..

    by mrfan

    but yet have never seen the original.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 5:23 a.m. CST

    Should be a Rocky Dennis mask

    by silentjay

    Sorry.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    When's the Jaws remake coming out?

    by Nice Marmot

    Cause that will be SWEET. Think of that big shark and the magic of CGI.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    MRFAN

    by Frijole

    What are you talking about? Who on here are you accusing of not having seen the original?

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST

    How about another Wicker Man remake?

    by Spandau Belly

    Nobody saw the last one.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Messiahman has a clue....

    by d3funct

    .... Yes Zombie is a one trick person. Im tired of it all . Him and Manson with their goth look how disturbing we are BS. Its just poser crap. Posturing. Long live Chuck Schuldiner/Death fuckers! Anyway I agree its usless to go into the backgrounds of these characters. They did the same with Black Christmas - which I havent seen yet, but have heard terrible things about. The problem is, we've seen it all before and the disturbed,I had a fucked up childhood thing has become so cliched. I remember people complaining about that when Red Dragon came out. "Mommy touched my weiner and now Im disturbed and have to kill people". Its scarier when you dont dont why or how people turned out the way they are. Look at the end of One Hour Photo for another example of how explaination can kill the drama of not knowing. It takes a talented filmaker to pull off the origin of a sick person and Zombie isnt a talented filmaker. Hes all about flash, quick edits, gore and freaks. The first Halloween hardly even has any blood in it.Halloween would take the opposite - someone willing to take their time to set things up. someone with patience and SKILL with the camera. Man I cant stand that this guy is doing this film. I dont usually get involved in talkbacks here, but this really annoys me. As if 8 bad sequels isnt enough to endure....

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    The new mask should be Data!!!

    by Cellar Door

    Can't believe no one said that yet! It's already pale (if a little goldish/yellow colored)..the hair is creepy doll hair looking..the expression is..well...expressionless! I hope Zombie proves me wrong but this is sounding like the suck more and more. Honestly..a classic like Halloween does not need a remake...and stop demystifying our freaking villains!! Darth Vader is now Ralph Machio from Karate Kid!! WTF??!?!?!?!

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Better than a new mask...

    by solarangel

    Why didn't Zombie go all the way and cast Bill Shatner as The Shape? For cryin' out loud, the sight of Shatner himself wearing the Shatner mask would have been ironic comedy gold...

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    ...and starring Hulk Hogan as The Shape

    by solarangel

    ................. <shuck> AAAAAAH!!! <thump> .............. <tears off mask> BROTHER!!! <p>With apologies to Mr. Bollea, but I feel I've done my share to revive interest in the Hulkster 'round these parts. And I'd pay real money just to see films with Hogan on a bloody, murderous rampage, mask or no.</p>

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    haha.. DENTED HIS LEGACY.

    by white owl

    nice unintentional pun, spectrebeeyatch... I think.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Why can't we just leave shit alone?!

    by porterdsgn

    Seriously! Why keep remaking all this shit that was fucking perfect the first time around. They shouldn't have fucked with Texas Chainsaw Massacre and they shouldn't fuck with Halloween either.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Shatner Myers vs Picard Myers

    by JAGUART

    Sigh. The debate that never will be would be the rage of the century.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    Malcolm McDowell as Dr. Loomis?

    by KingKirby

    What...was Sid Haig busy? Seriously, I'd be willing to give Malcolm "Time is the fire in which we burn" McDowell a chance as Loomis...if he's bald and has a beard. Anyway, according to the novelization of "Halloween", an evil spirit posessed a villager during Samhain (the Druid festival celebrating the end of the harvest -- funny, he doesn't look Druish -- sorry, had to do it), did some pretty awful things in a spiteful, nasty way, and moved on. The spirit later inhabited young Michael Myers, causing him to kill his sister, Judith. It seemed to kind of work the way Redjac did in the "Star Trek" original series episode, "Wolf in the Wolf", where Scotty was taken over by the spirit of Jack the Ripper. In the original "Halloween" film, however, it was definitely much creepier to not know his justifications for killing...just an escaped lunatic who was on the prowl for more victims..."The Night He Came Home"...and then he disappears at the end...again, with no explanation. Just this ghostly, unkillable, white-faced...Shape. I don't want any of this fucked-up, white trash family, Devil's Reject, Texas Chainsaw Massacre remake, grimy/scummy look that had already been ripped off by "Saw" from David Finscher's "Seven". Another part of why "Halloween" was scary was because evil had come to Haddonfield, this small town suburban location, and it lent a certain "Oh my god, that kind of thing could happen here!" feel to it, not unlike how "The Blob" oozed it's way through the town. So sayeth the King!

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    someone said rob zombie was like ratner with a beard

    by myspoonistoobig

    but Ratner HAS a beard...this leads to so many conundrums

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    fuck your grandmother

    by lofe101

    i have huge faith in zombie. probably cause im the only one on this site that thinks house of a thousand corpses was fucking awsomely sweet.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    This remake is one of the most retarded ideas ever.

    by deanamatronix

    And Zombie's films are appalling pieces of shit.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, noon CST

    So instead of sitting patiently in a lunatic ward...

    by Roguewriter

    ... for 15 years, biding his time to make his move, suddenly the psychotic, catatonic Michael Myers is spending his time pulling a Deniro, CAPE FEAR-style, working out and bulking up so he looks like Tyler Mane at the end of his incarceration instead of the ordinary, seemingly muscle-less asylum lifer he SHOULD be -- thus being twice as shocking when he suddenly explodes into murderous action???? Sigh... This is really going to suck. The idea that remorseless, unstoppable villains need to look like WWF wrestlers is just laughable. The whole idea of this remake is ludicrous. I had high hopes because of Zombie's skills, demonstrated so ably on DEVIL'S REJECTS, but nothing else since then has offered so much as a shred of hope this will do anything but suck wind. Hey Rob -- welcome to Gus Van Sant's world, pointlessly remaking a horror classic purely because some dumbass 26-yr-old studio hack thought it might be "sweet." Fucking waste. Grr.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    WHY OH WHY ETC

    by VERY METAL

    There is no point remaking a classic film (especially one that has a fan base as big as halloween does) the backlash after this comes out is gonna kill robs movie career and i am a fan of his music and his first two films but i agree that halloween should be left alone, it is a perfect film already and it will be inpossible to improve upon. Well rob i will be sorry to see you end in straight to video territory but this was your choice!

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Halloween..

    by Nintendo Dude

    I realize I'm in the minority, but I thought Halloween sucked ass. The pacing was slow as hell. Nothing about it was 'scary' or 'nerve-wracking' or 'terrifying' at all. In my opinion, Zombie can only improve on what I think is a greatly overrated film.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    So long as

    by Darth Busey

    Dr. Loomis has a beer and cheets on his wife, I'm there.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    abomination

    by Nice Marmot

    My point was that I think the Halloween remake is pushing it and a Jaws remake would be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Apparantly I need to brush up on my fanboy sarcasm.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    What about Halloween II?

    by mjbok1

    Honestly I think that part II was much better than part I. There are some incredibly paced sequences in and around the hospital in part II that have no match in the original. Also, I believe (could be wrong on this) the whole sister aspect isn't actually revealed until part II. In the first part Laurie Strode was just a babysitter. It's been a long time so I'm not sure, but I'm fairly certain.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Hey , guess what...

    by Dr Gregory House

    Remakes, generally suck. Yes. We all can pretty much agree on that. However, the original will always be there. If Zombie's version sucks, so be it. I don't think it will, so I am willing to put down a few bills to find out. No matter what, it'll be better than 'Shall We Dance'.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    mjbok

    by myspoonistoobig

    Halloween II is definitely a good follow-up. I wouldn't say better but it is worthy. and yeah, the sister thing is an addition to the second although they made this TV cut of Halloween when Halloween II came out that includes newly-shot additional scenes that cheat this information back into the original.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    The thing is, Halloween has already been remade.

    by CTU Mole

    It was called Friday the 13th. Then it was given a special effects budget and was called A Nightmare on Elm Street. And then it was called a thousand other movies, including all the Halloween sequels. Then it was satirized with Scream. What more could possibly be said on the subject?

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Halloween is the first film being remade

    by one9deuce

    that I would consider impossible to equal much less top. It truly is absolutely perfect in every way. The music is classic, the costume/mask for Michael Myers is classic, the whole setting is perfect, John Carpenter's direction is inspired, the ultimate all-time scream queen is the heroine, even the poster is a classic. Good luck Rob Zombie, you're going to need it.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Zombie just officially announced Sheri Moon's casting

    by Messiahman

    She's playing Michael's trailer trash mother, and William Forsythe is playing his abusive stepfather. So...for all those who expressed doubt when I mentioned it yesterday, allow me to say a very loud "I told you so."

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    its simple really

    by misnomer

    Halloween is SEMINAL film-making...the pinnacle of horror movie making, an archetypal genre piece....call it whatever you want....this movie (along with texas chainsaw) has earned it's fucking right not to be touched. It's like remaking Jaws as an earlier poster has said...or any other piece of classic cinema. It's like remaking Raiders Of The Lost Ark or The Shawshank Redemption, or (Planet Of The Apes ;) )....it just isn't done. I had nothing against "Rob Zombie" before....well that's a lie he think calling himself "Rob Zombie" is a good thing....but now the fucker can just fuck the fuck off...arrogant prick.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Original pacing too slow?

    by Doggus47

    That's like saying the pacing of Alien was too slow. I hate to sound like an old man, but building suspense is better than the immediate pay off of a lot of today's torture porn. I prefer to be scared than grossed out.

  • Jan. 5, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    It will be better than Halloween 3-8

    by Gwai Lo

    You can pretty much count on that. It will never top the original because that's an impossible task. It might top Halloween II but I have a real soft spot for that one, I think it's almost as good as the first one and I remember rubbing one out to the chick in the jacuzzi when I was just a wee lad beginning my masturbation career. The first time I saw House of 1000 Corpses I wasn't very impressed at all, but when I saw the Devil's Rejects I was blown away and Rob Zombie instantly became a filmmaker to watch. More so than some of the others in his generation like Eli Roth and Alexandre Aja. I think he has the most potential to crossover out of horror as well. I didn't originally think Halloween was the perfect match for him but I'm interested to see what he'll do with it. I'd rather see what he'd do with the Wolverine movie as originally planned. I like the casting of Malcolm Macdowell, am only half sold on Tyler Mane, and cringe at the thought of Sheri Moon and William Forsythe as abusive Myers parents. I agree that we probably shouldn't find out too much about why Michael is pure evil, that is infact part of what made 4,5, and 6 so bad (well not as bad as Resurrection) in that they kept coming up with progressively more retarded explanations for his origins. I don't think the gritty Devil's Rejects style is a totally congruous fit with the Halloween world, but I hope he brings a nostalgic 70s feel to the proceedings. Some cleaner shots and subtle use of suspense like the original had would be nice. I have a feeling he's going to make Myers ferocious, and not at all like the subdued automaton of the original. Oh well, despite all that speculation I'm waiting in nervous anticipation to see if it's any good. If it's bad, I'm still keeping an eye on Zombie, because Devil's Rejects bought several bad films worth of street cred from me. God knows Carpenter nearly exhausted his free rides before he finally dropped Cigarette Burns on us.

  • Jan. 6, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    I still have a soft spot for HALLOWEEN IV...

    by Roguewriter

    ... simply for all those creepifyin shots, like Michael simply striding unperturbed across the rooftop everyone else is slipping and sliding across, or the shot with the multiple Myerses, or that initial "Right, let's move 'im," and BANG! the classic theme tune starts up, powered up to breakneck speed by master scorist Alan Howarth. The fourth flick should have ended it all; it was the perfect conclusion to the series, with little Jamie picking up where Unca Mikey left off. But no -- they ran the franchise into the ground. .... Back to the remake, I agree w/ the poster above who listed all the previous classic horror flicks w/ bad remakes -- except I kinda dug the remorseless fury of TEXAS CHAIN SAW (I hadn't, at that point, seen SAW, and HOSTEL had yet to come out, so I wasn't overdosed by then on the current snuff-horror trend, and I thought Nispel did a pretty damned good job dispensing with the crap-camp qualities of Hooper's original and turning the storyline into a truly grimy, mad affair. Yeah, R. Lee Ermey was way, WAY over the top... but you gotta love the guy like you love Bruce Campbell and Tom Towles, so it was to be expected. If anything, the film was hampered only by the punches it pulled (heavy editing on the deaths of Morgan and Pepper); it was beautifully shot and edited. I give it a pass. The rest mentioned in that list? Whole-hearted agreement. To date, the ONLY remake of a true horror classic that deserves to exist is -- I can't believe I'm saying it, but -- DAWN OF THE DEAD. I'm a rabid fan of the original, having seen it more than 350 times, and I was screaming with the best of em when it was announced... but dammit, the remake ain't bad. It lacks the kinda relevant social underpinnings that anchored the original and elevated it out of the horror shlockpit (and it does lack Romero's lovely quartet of actors, none of them overly talented, but all of them raw and real, particularly Scott Reiniger as wildman Roger). But the remake is a bullet, a flick that never slows down and takes no prisoners. Fast zombies? I can live with em, if the storyline is compelling enough and the horror is wholesale. The remake needed more (MUCH more) gore, but overall, it did the job... and I hate to say it, but I've watched it more on DVD than Romero's own return to his universe, LAND OF THE DEAD. ....... So -- whither HALLOWEEN? Honestly, I have no hopes for it. Every bit of story and casting news (barring Malcolm McDowell -- the man was awesome in TIME AFTER TIME and CAT PEOPLE, and I've been a fan ever since) to date just makes it sound like Zombie is losing all the elements that made HALLOWEEN a groundbreaking original of its time, and replacing them with tried-and-true formula beats that mimic the current crop of chop-and-grind snuff horror. A shame. Then again, his HALLOWEEN, as its own beast, might still be a very watchable film, purely because Zombie HAS demonstrated he knows how to cut footage and drive action. He can put you in the moment like too few horror filmmakers can do nowadays. I hate the idea of this remake. HATE IT. But only the film itself will prove or disprove its merits in its own right...

  • Jan. 6, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    So now....

    by d3funct

    .....Michael has abusive stepfather - how original. We've never seen that before. That expains why hes so driven to kill. ARRGH!

  • Jan. 6, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Recent horror remakes I like, Re: Halloween IV

    by Gwai Lo

    Ignoring stuff like The Thing and the Fly, which I sometimes forget are remakes because they're so drastically different from the originals, and focusing on only the recent remakes, there are a handful that I enjoy. (My Bachelor's degree just evaporated after I wrote that sentence) I like the Hills Have Eyes, I think it preserves the social commentary of the original, cranks up the intensity, and comes out the other side with a much slicker product. I still love the original HHE, but the remake was savage and I enjoyed the hell out of it. I like Dawn of the Dead too, but thought once it settled into its story and began fleshing out its characters it was lacking a lot of the charm that the original had. Plus the whole zombie baby idea was a bit much, and Mekhi Phfeiffer (sp?) behaves in a totally implausible (or just plain retarded) way. I also like The Texas Chainsaw Massacre for what its worth, although its this one of the three I've mentioned that falls the shortest of the original. I enjoyed the movie, but it wasn't all that much different from Wrong Turn or House of Wax (remake). The fact that it was better than most of the sequels helped, which is probably what's going to help Halloween as well. However, the bad remakes far outweigh the good, and I haven't even seen all of these: Wicker Man, The Omen, The Fog, House of Wax, Black Christmas, When a Stranger Calls, and loads more. On the topic of Halloween IV, it is the best of the later sequels. My order goes like this: Halloween, Halloween II, Halloween IV, Halloween V, Halloween: H20 (have always hated this title, not even a clever pun as the series has nothing to do with water), Halloween VI, Halloween: Resurrection. I don't know where to insert Halloween III in there so I'm not going to bother. Halloween IV retains a lot of the atmosphere of the original, but it's starting to feel a bit redundant by Round 3 when we just get the same thing each time with less suspense. I just hope Rob Zombie's Halloween is better than part IV because it would be disappointing to get something even on that level.

  • Jan. 6, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Amen, Roguewriter...

    by Messiahman

    As usual, all of your points are right on the money. By the way, how the hell have you been, and how do I get in touch with you?

  • Jan. 6, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Wasn't it MORE frightning when...

    by Immortal_Fish

    ...the Strode family were your average middle class family that unwittingly contributed to society the embodiment of pure evil?

  • Jan. 7, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Don't care about this Mr Zombie, do an original film

    by DirkD13"

    I saw the original for the first time a couple of years back, and because I'd seen so many Halloween rip-offs beforehand, including some of it's own sequels, I have to say I wasn't too impressed.<br>Mind you, slasher movies aren't really my bag baby. Give me The Thing anyday.

  • Jan. 7, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Didnt mcdowell kill kirk off in generations?

    by Mr_X

    i'd like a denny crane cameo. and have freddie prinze jr lurking around in the woods somewhere, perhaps with paris hilton.

  • Jan. 7, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Yes Fish, everyone recognizes that but Zombie

    by INWOsuxRED

    Part of what was scary was this whole thing could happen in your town, in your family, and to you, and it could just happen with no explaination at all. There is an otherwolrdly evil that exists and could find its way into your life and there is nothing you can do about it.</br></br>What isn't scary is knowing that in some shitty hillbilly trailor park, bad things might happen. This Halloween seems very determined to suck in an insulting fasion, and as a result I am enjoying these talkbacks which relay the messages of how Rob Zombie brags about a new fuck up on his myspace page on a fairly regular basis. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!

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