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More non-news from Lucas about INDY 4!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I know, I know. We got this news a day and a half ago, but didn't post it. Why? I don't consider it news... well, let me rephrase that. I'd consider it news if, for the past three years, Lucas hadn't said this exact same thing. It's always "Indiana Jones 4 is going into production next year."
Now, I hope this time George Lucas is right on the money and that Harrison Ford, Spielberg and Lucas have finally found the right script they all love and they get going. I'm in the camp that believes a fourth installment could be great. I know we're all a bit gunshy with our childhood heroes revisiting our childhood favorites... with good reason, but if they find a story that has the trademark Indiana Jones action, but also a focus on Indiana as a character, then I'm all for it. It could be a great bookend, if they go with something that mirrors RAIDERS. If they don't address Indy's age, then it'll be laughable.
After watching MUNICH, I know Spielberg can channel that '70s and early '80s Spielberg if he sets his mind on it, so I'm not worried about him. And I want Ford to be cool again. Lucas, too.
Plus, I just want to see Marion. My fingers are crossed that they end up together. It's clear to any fan of the series that Marion is Indy's perfect partner and it's only right that the series ends with them together.
I guess the only way Indiana Jones 4 works for me is a little like what Stallone did with ROCKY BALBOA. It acknowledged the main character's entire journey, but in style and story it followed the first, and best, film of the series. The most ideal Indiana Jones 4 for me is a companion piece to RAIDERS.
So, thanks to the constant barrage of emails, the story is going up. I won't believe it until Paramount announces they've greenlit the film and set the date themselves. Even if Lucas is 100% on the money, there are so many things that can snag the production, as we've seen in the past. If Lucas is right and nothing pops up, INDIANA JONES 4 goes into production next year, for a 2008 release.
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Finally, a high profile first. Much better than the Firsts from the news on the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers and the one Truman Capote movie. No, not that one. The other one.
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Second..He wasn't any good when he was alive. No Maam.
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but bring back Karen Allen too.
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But now with the apparent success of Rocky Balboa (and my support of Sly in making it), I don't think I can do so without appearing hypocritical.
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"fuck this" is the only thing I can add to this discussion. It will never happen, I don't know why they even bother shiting out this comments. Just leave it, I don't want an Indy 4.
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Come on you lazy shit, Lucas. Get up and do this.
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Wait, did he marry Calista Flockhart?
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Temple of Doom!
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Ok so we get some BIG gushing from Lucas that promises "the best one yet" Also accompanied by a photo. Lucas says, "character piece". This sounds so on, please Mr. Lucas, we'll be nice if you be honest. Thats all.
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So, Quick! Make this before spielberg runs out of directing power or whatever.
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right. anything can happen to any movie at any time of its production and cause trouble. but i wouldn't consider this non-news. We've heard the "shooting is going to start next year" phrase a lot now. But we've never heard anything about a finished script. This is the farest they got. Mostly the scripts needed to be rewritten or got rejected. I consider it a basic knowledge for anyone who's reading and writing about filmmaking and the industry (=people who read this site) to think about a film production as a risky effort. A, it is art and B there are a lot of people involved in it. Two risky points. "There are many things that can snag the production" ...so pretty much on this site in non-news. because the possibility that a film I read about here is going to either suck or not going to be finished within the next 3 years. The script is "finalized"... I've never heard that before. And still, I'm not sure if maybe actors who still are going to be assigned to the project will demand some changes. You never know. But this isn't a reason to tune the news down like that. Jesus. There are people who wanna share some joy and giddiness. Not everybody here is over 30 and an Indy anticipation routinee. My longest wait for a new indy flick (before this one)lasted five days. Because that was the time span between the network airings. I like this news and gotta agree with Quints remarks on the plot.
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Stallone pulled off a 60 year old boxer in grand fashion. There is no reason why Spielberg,Lucas + Ford can't do the same for an equally legendary character that does not have to box a man old enough to be his son. Life does not end at 30. Go Rocky, Go Indy.....
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Maybe he can now phase trough buildings? That would rock!
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And Indy still shoots first, it'll be good.
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that is if he doesnt break a hip.
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plus your article could be more reasonable. While I acknowledge your wishes for the plot and agree with them, Quint, as the major informer in this little communication, you could add that Spielberg and others have stated that Indy's age is absolutely going to be an issue. While this may be as definite as Lucas articulating how "really cool" indy is going to be and defining it as a character piece (what does that mean in Lucas speak?) it's still showing an effort and recognition on their side. A little recounting of the whole indy IV development held against your own expectations and fears wouldn't be too bad. I don't want to behave like a fucking Browncoat or something, though....:) ---I'm actually glad to have a fansite writer who's rather on the supporting side...it's kind of comforting...but then do some better write ups, Quint.
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While of course I'm on the "belive it when I see it" train, the script was the one big hurdle that was holding this up for the last seven years or so. It was always, "Yes, we all want to do it, we just have to fine-tune the script etc." That the script is finally done is a HUGE step forward in this being realized, not to mention that there's a pretty specific time of release (May 2008).
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This thing will end up in development hell until Ford is using a walker to get around.
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I agree with everything enrique says. and something else that comforts me IF this film is ever going to finish shooting and healthily coming out of the editing room: failures are interesting. And in the end ...you can still turn it into a documentary. And ...my childhood is unrapeable. I hope.
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Spielberg, too! FBI with walkie-talkies in E.T., huh? Vader whining about Padme, huh? Damn you both to Hell. (And when you get there, tell Orsen Wells I said 'hi.')
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Does anyone know if they are shooting this thing HD or film? Last I heard there was an impasse between Lucas & Spielberg on that issue (even though Lucas would have final say on that) Will this be the first digitally shot Spielberg movie? Personally, I hope they shoot it on film cuz it's a period piece. Oh, and I hope the fuckin' script is good, after all these years of "just trying to get the script right," party line they've bee pushing.
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He just replaced himself years ago with a lifelike CGI hologram.
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So, there really isn't a mystery then.
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...though I'll admit that the fourth one should probably be done in more of a 'Raiders' style, and since 'Last Crusade' was also a lot like Raiders, then Temple of Doom will always be the 'oddball' one LOL.
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This time, it's personal. If El Spielbergo directs and George/ILM handles everything else, this could be awesome. George is an amazing visionary, but great director he ain't.
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I didn't hold off on posting because something "may" happen to the project, just that Lucas has had scripts ready before and has said the exact same thing. We have articles dated 2003 where Spielberg and Lucas say it's filming "next summer."My worries about Indy 4 not taking into account Indy's age are very founded. The word around the industry is that was the aspect of Darabont's script that Lucas didn't like. I wouldn't know for sure as I haven't talked to anybody directly associated with it and I have not been able to track down a copy to read, but my sources are solid. That doesn't mean we'll get 60 year old action adventure without a moment to focus on how Indy is dealing with his age with whatever goes forward on Indy 4, but it is a valid worry.
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I literally start seeing the trailers with ACTUAL NEW FOOTAGE from this so called film. I'm also in the camp of wanting a 4th and thinking it can be brilliant, but I'm tired of the power of three's giant cocktease with this. I don't buy any announcement until we start to see cameras actually rolling.
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will be 56 years old next year, no way she'll be the love interest in this flick.
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I seriously wonder if Rocky Balboa's success has anything to do with this piece of news? I can only hope it turns out good, but that's only if it even happens. (I wonder who'll be the bad guys, since going with Ford's age the Nazis will have to have been defeated already)
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That is, the power of three, when it came to Indy 4... If they REALLY wanted to shoot this movie, I mean, as bad as they apparently have claimed to all of these years, well then I have to believe then that they really COULD have, but nooooooo. One thing after another, one or all of them would CONSTANTLY let something(s) else clutter up their schedules that kept having to make them collectively put it on the backburner. I just always found it a bit disingenuous as a fan. It's like, please, you three are some of the most powerful fucking people in the entire industry, if you all got together and TRULY wanted the thing made, it simply WOULD HAVE BEEN, however long ago. But I think the fact that they kept letting it NOT happen is somewhat telling.
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although the whole darabont thing still has me uneasy. I heard it was Act 3 that Lucas wasn't happy with, and if that DOES deal with the age thing, then I am a little anxious. Plus Koepp is a little middle-of-the-road for my liking and rarely reaches greatness.
but then again...he just put the finishing touches to this script apparently. Lucas' comments on a "younger sidekick" still have me a little concerned.
But the simple fact is that it is set in the late 1940's and centers around an entirely new and supposedly "controversial" macguffin.
I'm excited - the script is done -koepp closed the script and all three parties are in agreement. As far as I've been following the script has been the major hurdle for the last 4 years at least. so this IS news. Plus a "character-piece" is totally where this new movie has to go...as much as I love Raiders, and enjoy the other two...I think audiences will expect the humour of The Last Crusade, and Raiders is pretty um..."succinct" when it comes to characterisation....I'm hoping Indy 4 deals with his age in a meaningful way...this could be a powerful movie. -
yeah Quint...it is a valid worry. The whole Darabont issue is a valid worry. Thanks for explaining.
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And to be perfectly honest, unless they show Indy with Karen Allen's character and completing the romance, then this entire story is just one big pointless piece of mid-life crisis. We already got a really great goodbye with Indy and co. riding off into the sunset--what more goodbye do you need? No, unless Allen is in this thing, you can pretty much count out any good feelings I have towards the production of this film. I aint saying I won't watch it, but I will scoff at any sort of attempt at calling Indy 4 neccessary to the character and story.
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Jurassic Park 1,2,3........Star Wars 1,2,3.
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..related and not one talkbacker proclaiming how he's "raped my childhood" - maybe there's hope for us yet :)
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to celebrate Raiders 25th anniversary and as I recall, Indy 4 had some relgious angle to it. I think it was something to do with a thorn with a piece of Chirsts flesh and some one is after that. Indy is called out of retirement and along the way he is re-united with his old man but in the end he Marries Marion and hangs up his hat and whip permanently. Then Darabont came out and said he had some idea which the berg like and ford liked but Lucas said no. Darabont is adamant he will never work with Lucas again.
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c'mon the guy got lucky with The Terminator and has been riding it ever since. Aliens, T2?! childish crap...True Lies?...laughable....Titanic?! mmmm theres some edgy film-making right there! fuck cameron!
*jus' joking I do kinda like the guy*
That said...Spielberg has slipped a little bit...but older spielberg is probably a better match for Indy 4 than young spielberg. This movie needs to go the "deep" route and I totally disagree that it should be Raiders 2....it should be a slow-burner I think. -
There's no need to have another one. The last movie left no loose threads dangling. And apparently Jones lives to be 100 according to those Young Indy shows. Okay then, let's put this character to rest.
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I'm not sure I agree that this movie needs to deal with Indy's age. I'm a little afraid at getting the IJ version of Lethal Weapon 4 ("we're getting to old for this shit" jokes and such). however, i definitely agree with quint that i won't consider anything genuine "news" until cameras are rolling.
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I find myself completely indifferent to this news.
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Damn! You just brought my repressed memory to the surface...George Lucas DID rape my childhood! Waaaaaaah!!!
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"Barnaby Jones and the Very Long Staircase" or "Barnaby Jones and the Overheated Soup" or something.
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it fits the timeline...and they can make the aliens all like ET. It would be clutch. LONG LIVE SHORT-ROUND!
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They have lost footage of Don Ameche. He will play Indy's grandfather.
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Anybody else see the fight going on between the two of them over at The Hot Button and Hollywood Elsewhere? Hickenlooper says he's going to sue him to the point where he'll be pushing a mop at Burger King. Yes!
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I think the father/son histrionics was plenty. Anyway, as someone who considers Raiders to be my favorite film and Last Crusade to be way too goofy, I'm cautiously optimistic.
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The prequel trilogy scripts. And how the fuck is Munich "late seventies/early eighties" Spielberg. Although the second half sagged a bit I was impressed with Munich and a found refreshingly new Spielberg, more so than Minority Report where he copped out at the end.
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and you bet your ass Cameron CAN mess up a movie (see Piranha Part Two: The Spawning), it's just that for most of his career he hasn't taken any signifigant artistic chances/challanges.
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He was about 55 in H. Rider Haggard's King Solomon's Mines, and 58 in Allan Quatermain. That character was based on Frederick Selous, who took was still leading major expeditions at age 58 and fought in N. Africa in WWI from age 64 to his death by sniper at 66.
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that he's human AND can fuck-up....but I will say that he DID take a chance on Titanic. Who would've thunk the same guy who made Aliens, T2, etc. could/would do a romance or even a comedy for that matter.
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Too late, last crusade did that already. We'll still watch old Indy kicking ass. We still watch Eastwood so Lucas and Spielberg get over yourselves and do this.
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If it bombs, so what?
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lucas got that script written in 1997 by Jeb Stuart called "Indiana Jones and The Saucer Men From Mars" where Indy goes to Roswell and the Commies are trying to learn from alien technology. It wasn't bad, but then again it wasn't great....I excpect the marriage scene where all of his ex's to turn up in the new movie *if it gets made* though....
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Quint, Lucas doesn't need Paramount anymore to greenlight and finance an Indy 4 film, because his 20 year deal with Paramount financing Indy films expired in 2001, meaning any Indy sequel made now, is one Lucas can finance all himself. It's just as well ; with Lucas having to give Spielberg and Ford backend deals on such a film to cut down the film's budget, if Paramount financed an Indy 4, the film would be financially unviable to them. It would've been much cooler if 2 or 3 Indy films were made back to back, similar to POTC 2 & 3. All Paramount will do, is distribute Indy 4 and get the breadcrumbs of a distribution fee.
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I hear Calista is quite a handful. HEY DR. JONES-NO TIME FOR LOVE!
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Has the Lucas hate already started?
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You'd think someone with as ripe an imagination as Lucas could come up with a new idea instead of dipping back into the well. At least Sly had a reason for making another Rocky - he wanted to give the franchise a proper sendoff. Indy 4 just reeks of desperation.
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For christ's sake....Terminator I and II, The Abyss, Aliens, Titanic (okay, a chick flick, but a watchable chick flick), True Lies (possibly the one I like least, Tom Arnold does a good job though), and Jessica Alba might still be doing "Idle Hands V" straight to video if he hadn't cast her in Dark Angel. HE GAVE US JESSICA ALBA! Come on, what's the man got to do to get some love?
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Watch some old serial movies full of bullshit stories like that about ancient magic rocks and you'll like what Doom was aiming to be. The only problem was Kate.
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Sounds to me like he's just trying to stuff his coffers as much as he can before he croaks. Like his kids aren't already going to be set for life as it is.
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Love it, love it, love it!
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Star wars TV and Indy IV doesn't leave much time for the independant films he keeps claiming he wants to make. I find it almost impossible to beleive he doesn't have a bunch of outlines written somewhere, from way back when, that would be worth making something out of. It would be nice if someone would knock him out of his comfort zone. I'd rather see some noble failures than a moderately successful Indy 4.
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"Willow" and "Howard the Duck". Noble failures?
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deal will make this movie into another masterpiece.
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Whoever that guy was who gave us THX1138, American Graffiti, and Star Wars is truly gone. RIP original George Lucas. We're stuck with the special edition version now I guess... ;)
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I hate these guys
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I also liked the Ewok movies, but I was like six at the time, so that's not a very good endorsement.
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Quint, please post the winners of AICN's Rocky contest and also their winning funny jokes, that you found to be the best jokes.
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Indy IV. He's in his prime & a whole lot better director than Speilberg is right now. WAR OF THE WORLDS proved that Speilberg can no longer direct genre flicks. And _every_ script David Koepp has ever written proves he's a hack!
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Make something new. Fuck INDY 4 ever. God, are they that desperate for material? Ford's old. Is that part of the story, or are they going to make him super human at the age of 70 with F/X?
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I mean, jeez, the man cannot write his way out of a paper bag. I sooo hope he doesn't lend his pen to this, even though this flick will never happen, to have him go all gung ho and decide to write it himself would surely lead to the demise of this series.
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Indiana Jones and the Trade Embargo of Great Concern.
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Indy and her can retire together at the end. She can sew him together ugly old-man-sweaters to replace hsi classic garbs. Besides, that "Digging for the Truth" prick stole his fedora and coat.
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Fuck off haters, because this movie hasnt been made yet. You Indy4 hating bitches will start crawling back as soon as the teaser trailer comes out. Hopefully late 2007. But I doubt it.
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He's just held to such a high standard than most because he's done such excellent work in the past that we sometimes forget he's made shitty movies too like any director.
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nice trolling. "spielberg makes garbage movies"...I loe that no one has even taken the bait, ya damn doofus...and how were we supposed to know temple of doom took place before raiders? I never realized that.I will see this no matter what, unless paul haggis turns out to have written the script. I'm not giving that scientologist hack any more of my money.crash sucked so hard, I can't even listen to the Dave Matthews song anymore...
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There's just one thing that i think audiences should be reminded of in a possible Indy VI and that is that both Indiana and his father are immortal. They drank from the holy grail so even though im sure they can be killed - their lifespan has been dramatically enhanced - therefore on a technical note harrison ford could play indy in the modern world looking the way he is now. Indy IV COULD realistically be set in the 21st century although i think their is no chance of this at all. It'll be set in the 1950's. And yknow what I think seeing Indy as an old guy would rock - what u think that you can only have a story about you if you are under 50? His age gives them a million more character possibilities and as was said yes they should reference his age no mater what.
Also as far as Lucas haters go I read that someone said that Lucas fucked up the prequels because of stuff like "Vader moaning about Padme" and such. Sorry to rain on your parade but Vader asking for Padme is one of the most emotional lines of the enitre saga. Everyone's quite happy to slag Lucas for the Phantom meance and Clones but for god sake Revenge of the Sith was probably an almost perfect Star Wars film. Maybe not for everyone but it had all the right ingredients. i could never have imagined seeing Anakin burned so brutally, kids about to be massacred and yoda fighting the emperor etc when i was a kid. Revenge of the Sith is a Star wars masterpiece and the only person to thank for that is George Lucas. I truly think the man knows how to direct a film - its just that he does it his way - some may call that laziness but Star Wars has never been Hamlet - Lucas said in 1994 in an interview that TPM was going to be tonally so different that he didnt expect it to be liked. But ROTS showed that he does have the ability to convey emotion. Jesus I cried more than once at ROTS - but maybe thats because I see it for what it is and let my imagination fill in the blanks. Isn't what movies are for - to stimulate our imagination?
On here it seems like you need everything perfect or it's god-awful. Optimus prime has flames - WOW. What difference does that make? know what i mean?
Ok no more ranting. Hope u all have a nice new year folks.
Try to stop bitching and be positive.
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If Indy's immortal, update it to present day and have him beat on Tom Hank's Robert Langdon and NIck Cage's Benjamin Franklin Gates.
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Rudyrusso, not only are you a troll, but you're a fuckwit, too. Spielberg craps bigger than Cameron. I couldn't give a fuck if you don't like his movies, (which keep getting better as he gets older) but hey - at least he's MAKING them. Spielberg made War of the Worlds and Munich in the same year. What did Cameron do? Executive produce (i.e., pay for) yet another documentary about the Titanic? Fuck off, troll. Come back when you get pubes.
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If the Grail takes away all your sicknesses and injuries then at the very least the Grail should give you a new lease on life. So in closing, everyone needs to shut the fuck up.
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Loved it. I thought Stallone did a great job of working Rocky's age into the story in a way that was believable. My only gripe with the movie is that it was too much like the original (it has essentially the same ending) but you gotta love Rocky going out on his own terms in his own way.
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My favorite Spielberg movie is "1941", so what the hell do I know?
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political commentary now. Just my opinion. That goes somewhat for Georgie boy, too.
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need to stick with Nazis, because everyone hates Nazis and no one wants to see a sad-sack Indy set in the 50s with the fimmakers making a commentary on the Cold War.
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Her constant whining and complaining in TOD could not distract me from the fact that she had a killer body. Spielberg did very well for himself.
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was WAY more annoying. I though Capshaw was fine given what she had to work with.
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...or someone else to take over the role, INDY IV is going to be a sad, pathetic shell of its former self. Realistically, this film should be set around 1956 to address the age issue, so unless Indy is hanging with President Eisenhower or smack in the middle of the Hungarian Revolution, it ain't gonna fly...
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The Knight explained to Indy that to remain immortal one must remain in the confines of the Grail Room. Indy and his dad were not in the room and thus the cup only had healing powers.
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age. http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/twentieth_century_fox/ice_age/karen_allen/icepre.jpg
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It just will not feel like Indy without Nazi's. Why do you think Indy 2 was not so great, NO NAZI'S. Nothing is better then hearing angry Germans yelling at Indy. It's like Bond with no evil bad guy.
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I know all you geeks think it's cooler when Han shoots first but really let's face it. It's not his character to shoot first. Han's not a murderer. He's more likely to talk his way out of a situation.
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wa wa wee wa
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I hear he's available to direct.
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..i couldn't resist
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theres another..
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..Indys and Professor Jones'
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What part of "His movies keep getting better as he keeps getting older" did you not understand? I suggest you look up what the word "refuting" actually means, my friend. Go watch "Munich" again. Oh, and "Saving Private Ryan". And "Catch Me If You Can", "Amistad", and "AI", too. Those were all made well inside of a dozen years ago, tough guy, and each and every one of them makes "Titanic" look like what's on PBS at 4:00 in the morning on a Tuesday.
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IV? Indiana Jones and the Golden Asparagus of Incontinence
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One, why people keep bitching about the fact that they've taken so long to get a script that all three parties are actually happy with, and two, the whole Ford is too old bollocks. So what, you'd prefer they'd have rushed a shitty sequel out as soon as all three agreed to do an Indy 4? Sure, this doesn't guarantee that they'll get it right, but it does show that they're at least trying to, so there's hope. And as for him being too old, why does every film hero have to be fucking young these days? Why can't we have some older, experienced ass kicking heroes with their requisite baggage and rougher or worn edges? You know, the kind of traits that make them *more* interesting, not less. What the fuck is wrong with that exactly? If Eastwood, Connery, McQueen, Bronson, Brynner and Coburn can play hard men of action well into the latter years of their lives, why can't Ford? I mean it's not like he looks like William Shatner trying to squeeze into his starfleet uniform one last time, just as long as he's in shape and looks the part I say go for it. I sincerely hope that if this gets made (and it's always going to be an if until cameras start rolling) that they manage to give us one final great Indy adventure, because as a film fan and an Indy fan, I'd love nothing more. Indiana Jones & The Haters Who Can All Go Fuck Themselves...
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eye candy.
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This film has mega-huge-supa-dupa potential. But so did the Star Wars Prequels. And we saw what happened. Don't want to bury a project before it's born but Lucas rejecting a script that Spielberg loved sounds suspicious to me...Maybe the old man's gone crazy again. Hope he will not make Indy fly or spit some CGI-fire from his ass while talking crap to his beloved one. "Because I am sooo in love with YOU.." WTF ????
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They do a cgi simulation to see which archeologist can find the remains of Mary Magdalene. To our surprise Dr. Jones is the winner. He decides to take the journey to discover the true meaning of his life. I should write this stuff down and get a producer, soon I'll be worth millions of dollars!!! BWHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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The films of Indiana Jones are a homage to the golden era of hollywood. All that universe of adventures in exotic places makes sense in the old trilogy's timeline. If indy becomes old, the adventure is over!
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I can't wait for tons of crappy CGI effects to ruin the movie along with the emotionless script, and of course the obligatory foreign baddie from some European/Asian country, you know the same shit we saw in the Star Wars prequels.
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Think about the character. Do you think Indy would ever be a "stay in the lecture hall kind of guy"? No. I see him getting his ass kicked in a few fights...a little less swinging from whips...and a lot of "I'm too old for this" lines in the next movie...but Indy would never be the type to sit on his ass. As a matter of fact, Ford wanted to kill Han Solo off so damn bad, I suspect he may have the same desire for Indy. Indy will not die in an retirement home or from colon cancer...he's going out in a blaze of glory and it will be in Indy 4!
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and i don't think that'll change with Indy IV, though i do have my fingers crossed !
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I don't mean to picky, but I thought the power of the grail was confined only to inside the tenple and to the seal near the entrance??
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El Dorado - Third Reich Bankruptcy Sale - Hitler needs cash to build jets and atomic bombs.
The Mummy - The Road to Egypt - Hitler is mummified; wants a second bite of the apple.
So, what'll be the next myth?
The Holy Lance AKA Spear of Destiny - Bible weapons back in style: Last verse same as the first.
Hitler Meets Dracula - Vampire SS?
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If it wasn't for him and if Indy was owned by a studio, we would've seen a "Teendiana Jones vs. Young Lara Croft" directed by Len Wiseman. And if Spielberg had Indy, doctor Jones would be using a walkie talkie with a very long antenna to swing.
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That hack jackoff Darabont is off the project. He can't destroy it with his "writing" anymore. He could probably crib-copy it to the screen well, though, if it was written by Steve-o King and set in a prison. Because that's all he can do and all that he rides on.
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Indys hair, that is :)
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the elderly are always so worried about these "drafts".
more seriously though i have the utmost respect for Lucas ,Spielberg and Ford in that they are not willing to settle for mediocrity and that they want this to be something special. It will make a billion dollars all said and done anyway...regardless of the story.
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Why? All three Indy films stood on their own and had no ties to one another except for the main character. IMHO that's one of the things that kills the magic of Star Wars. I don't want the Force explained thank you so much.
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Get Harison Ford to head an all star cast including James Garner, Clint Eastwood, and Tommy Lee Jones (you know, cus old people are "cute") all staring as long over the hill astronaughts and call it "Space Cowboys"....already done you say??? So do a remake and let Speilberg do what hes just so darn good at these days, fucking it up! OH! and how about Morgan Freeman as the plucky, jive talkin mission control guy that makes us all laugh by telling jokes about old people shittin themselves and the like.
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Marionetts, with CGI enviorments provided by Lucas.....what d'ya think? No??? ok, just a though.....
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come on this was the worst of the three, although would like to see short round come back
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I can't think of anything else this movie can deal with. Here's the thing though, I believe it will be a boring retread apart from the fact that Indy is older and there'll be no cool humour moments like in Last Crusade because now the Berg is a lifeless old man (like Harrison Ford).
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I think that's sort of the point of a new film; how an adventurous hero from another era copes with the changing times, and how his particular brand of extinct, two-fisted problem-solving is just what the baddies of the 1950s need a nice hot cup of.
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I saw ET the other day, the new squeaky clean version where spielberg took out the guns. Ever since Schindler's list, spielberg has been for want of a better word off Form. Before Schindler, the berg was possibly the best family filmmaker of our generation. our generation refers to people who our now in their thirties, like me. His first five films are all classics, Sugarland Express, Duel, Jaws, Close Encounter(which I think is his Masterpiece) ET, and the color purple. Are rightly regarded as some of the most commercially successful films of all time. LOst world was I believe a turning point. It had one of the worst endings to a film I have ever. The young spielberg would have had the T-rex eat the dog but the older spielberg decides not too. You dont say no to the berg, becuase if we had made that film the scene with T-rex in the backyard would have been cut. The older he gets the more serious he becomes, his new films are much colder and are in my opinion less enjoyable. I loved the opening in of Munich but thought the rest of the movie was confused. Like lucas, the berg has lost the passion he once had as a filmmaker. He is writing his memoirs presently expect the chapter on Dreamowrks to very short or Blank. I know someone who works in the SEC and in a very senior position, i wont say anymore but Dreamworks was a shambles.
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Box office.
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we all know how that will work. I really want a great Indy IV but I dread the living hell out of it. Ford hasn't been good since Airforce One and Lucas hasn't been good sinc he handed over the directors chair to others for the ORIGONAL Star Wars (IV-VI). I'm totoally cool with The Beard. He - to me - can do no wrong.
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...would be brave enough to answer 200 questions like Sly did? Yeah, I thought not either.
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play Indy when he was 104 and he would still have a really awkward on screen running style
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we will all be off to see it, no matter how many plumbs it sucks. the real concern is that they might already have the ending. never mind midichlorians or whatever the fuck they were, get ready for some sort of Evil Dead like time portal which explains why Indy is walking around on Tattooine betting on podraces.
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The Ark was really the only one with any kind of dramatic weight. The grail was weaker (as would be the spear) because they are not connected so strongly to the Old Testament wrath of God, but rather to Christ, and are more about devious machinations of men than fear of God. Which is interesting because Jesus and God are the same being, but Hollywood likes to treat Jesus like a hippie guru. I just think Atlantis and UFOs will never have the same power as the Ark in Raiders, which was handled in such an incredible way and is one of the greatest films ever made. Especially UFOs which are more about science than mysticism and the last thing we need from these filmmakers is their attempt at a sci-fi Indy. If they want to do another Biblically themed Indy, go back to the Old Testament: the Tower of Babel, the Garden of Eden, the Nephilim, the mark of Cain, something along those lines.
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After World War II, the Russians took many German scientists and officers prisoner, as did the Americans. Not to mention the Nazis that escaped justice via Odessa. Maybe one or more of them could be working with the Russians to find the Macguffin while getting revenge against Indy. Maybe Jones maimed one of them during the war and he wants revenge.
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Karen Allen is looking a bit weird recently, but Alison Doody is in excellent shape. Almost looking better than she did in Last Crusade. Just begin the flick with a nice resurrection scene and things got moving! :D
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Let old characters lie.
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of hacky. They're not very threatening without an army in my opinion.
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aging better than Ford. She still has a great smile and pretty eyes.
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Check her out on the far right! http://tinyurl.com/y2ld7o Karen Allen still looks surprisingly hot in all the pic's I've seen of her
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A) Doesn't need to be Biblical (Ark and Grail eclipse all other Biblical artifacts and they're taken, and the big finale has to be bigger). B) Cannot be obscure. The Shankara Stones kind of forced the rest of ToD to be about laffs and grossouts because... Wait a sec what was I talking about? C) Immortal Indy is just silly. Not in a Banana Splits way, either. D) Anyway the Prize needs to be transcendent, frightening, something whose existence could change the world--but, E) this means the story needs to be contemporary, because if it takes place in the past, we know the world did NOT change and therefore the suspension of disbelief required would be too great and we end up with another Sky Captain (blecch). So, F) we are talking a contemporary story, but that make Indy a centenarian, unless... The story is told in two different times. One timeline with Indy as an aging archeologist on the trail of what has become his life's work. His Grail. And one where a descendent of his sets out to complete the quest that killed Indy. Indy's story takes place in the 1950's Iraq, and is the story of an aging hero who pushes himself to uncover something until a final sacrifice is needed to hide the shattering truth (twist). The modern story is set in Iraq, too, and includes allusions to the looting of Baghdad and a web of accomplices and enemies that shift with the desert wind... Yeah, I don't know what the prize will be. Maybe related to the Baghdad Battery? Maybe proof of a prehistoric super-civilization and it's ties to keeping the world from ending? Directors at the top of the list = Spielberg, Spielberg, and Spielberg. I want to go into that theater knowing I am still in the same Jones family as always.
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They just don't anymore. Too many starts and stops in this production. Get some new photos and footage out there, and we'll be back on the wagon. And people here saying this shouldn't be directed by Spielberg? Freakin DIAF already. James Cameron is my favorite director of all time, but his slate is packed. Let Steven do his thing.
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This won't happen until Lucas can sell the others on a CGI 35-year-old Indy.
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He may not be in classic 70/80's form, but CMIYC, WOTW (suck it haters), Munich, even Terminal show a filmmaker who is making unique, if not brilliant films, this isn't the SS who made Jaws, Close encounters or ET, but this a director who is more mature and bringing amazing stories to life. Imagine an Indy with the intense realism or Munich. Bring it.
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Indiana Jones discovers a secret society that dates back to the Druids that plots to create a New World Order that will enslave the Earth. This plot dates back throughout history and its secrets can unlock the greatest mysteries of all time. Together with his father, Dr, Henry Jones Sr. Indy must race against time against secret agents, government officials and other powerful enemies to expose the truth.
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Have Indy fighting the Soviets! Marion sends him to go rescue their daughter (that he never knew existed). The daughter could be played by Natalie Portman. Throw in a scene back home with Sean Connery and we'd be getting three generations of Joneses!
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Haha, George Lucas is so funny! If GL and Spielberg put their minds to it, i think they can definitely pull off a winner. Stallone showed that you can successfully bring back an old character, with the same actor, and make a great movie. The same can be done, although i have to say, that ending with the four riding into the sunset.... can you seriously beat that ending to the story?
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For anyone posting what they think would be good for the next Indiana Jones plot/enemies/character arcs/new sidekick/mcguffin or anything else. Every idea I've read is horrifyingly bad. Especially yours Pabodie. You didn't even describe an Indiana Jones type movie. Of course, you can all be forgiven since the holy trinity themselves didn't even make an Indiana Jones movie for the third installment. And we all know that George Lucas is nothing but a hollowed out shell of the brilliant director he was in the 70's, but he is taking it to a new level of insanity if he thinks that Indiana Jones IV will be better than Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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More non news from AICN. why not just have the talkback and skip the " nothing to report " part .
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Thanks buttfuckers! Flames on Prime in '07!
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My predictions for 2007 and 2008:
George Lucas and Michael Bay will both raped my childhood.
DarthDooku will learn to like licking deer buttholes.
Saluki enjoys buckeyes (watch "Things to do in Denver when you're dead" to see what a buckeye is.)
Harry will go down on more midget transsexuals in 2007 than he did in 2006.
Moriarty will learn how to shoot apple cores from his butthole.
Quint will join the band Rancid and will die in September from a drug overdose.
Herc will pump his groin more than any other mortal man in history.
mattw will learn more HTML than in 2006.
Pipple will appreciate art made with rat feces.
Capone will gain 250lbs - all in his left nut.
YackBacker's nipples will mysteriously begin squirting chocolate milk.
Donnie Drunko becomes sober...for 2 days, then kills himself by consuming an entire keg - metal and all.
JeanLuc Dickhard gets caught with a fish on his dick.
THANK YOU AND GOODNIGHT, CHICKEN FUCKERS! *bkawk* -
At the Rome Film Festival:
http://tinyurl.com/ymq3c4
http://tinyurl.com/y7hpms
He doesn't look too old to make Indy IV.
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C&D? Taking a cue from NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM $$$ score at the box office the new INDY will now be head of the Museum where all the great treasures he has collected over the years are stored. Each night Indy walks the halls where he will have flashbacks to the time he recovered each item. The Flashbacks will be whole scenes from the first 3 INDY films redone in 3-D ( a small red whip icon will appear on-screen letting you know to put on your special RAIDERS 4-D Glasses) Later in the film Indy and his Father decide to steal the Ark back from the government which leads up to a really cool scene where his father ask Indy to tell him the story of finding the ark and we get to see all the old footage from the first movie in 3-D...for all the bitchin’ Lucas gets just think what Roger Corman would do sitting on the same footage LOL.
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I thought that Nazi chick from Last Crusade was Indy's perfect partner...
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Just when we really thought we were safe from a geriatric Indy, this bloody thing comes along...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/01/01/georgelucas.indianajones.ap/index.html -
What will hold this up more than anything else is a great script. And THAT snowball will lead to other problems... and time is not the friend of this legendary trio. Sure, I'd LOVE to see a great finale. But if they just mail it in, then it's not worth anyone's time. GIVE US SOMETHING GREAT... and don't corner yourself as if you need to repeat a previous Indy flick. If all three individuals can't agree on something to get excited and enthusiastic about, then they should all move on with their lives. (And we can move our attention to something more worthy, here at AICN.)
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I don't have a problem with another Indy flick, but the original three were standalone installments. Making some movie about old Indy is crappy. I'd be fine if they put Christian Bale or somebody in the Indy role and just did like they do with the Bond flicks: carry on like nothing's happened!
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I think it may be legit. Seeing this story on a lot of different news sites.
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REBOOT! God love Harrison Ford & Karen Allen...but c'mon, folks...this is just asking for trouble. Who is the target audience here? So...does the film open at the funeral of Indy's dad...and Marion shows up to pay her respects and whoosh the adventure begins? I dunno. Just having trouble seeing Ford and Allen running away from an exploding Nazi plane on a desert tarmac at this stage in their lives. I say, give the stunt crew (who will ultimately be doing most of the heavy lifting here) a rest...Give Lost's Josh Halloway a haircut and a fedora...a nasty scar on his chin...and a bull whip...throw a white dress and one shoe on Rachel McAdams...and let the kids go have some fun. Or...will Lucas make this Geritol set wrap up for old time(rs) sake...and not get around to a kick ass reboot until 2012? btw Indiana Jones and the Fart of Dust was, by far, the best mock title. Ever.
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Here's a quick manip of the casting I mentioned above. Indy's adventures should be in the hands of the young, imo. http://tinyurl.com/tknxc
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yea sure give him a metro Mohawk too..make sure his eyebrows are trimmed up nicely. give indie a blackberry, an ipod. hey let timberlake write a new theme song for indie. bulk the young indie up with 25 pounds of steroid induced muscle ..its ok you can just transfer the weight from his balls.
screw all that noise ill take a 65 year old Indy anyday over a generation y goofbag.
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Maybe.
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Although she totally inhabited the role of Mom in "The Sandlot."
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Don't count Lucas out yet. Sith could be the glimmer of a comeback. You gotta believe. That's what it's all about. Anyway, you gotta want to speculate a little. It's fun. Give a try. I'd like to see what you come up with. Also I like the reboot idea getting kicked around here as a way to circumvent the Harrison Ford problem, but I'm not sure about Sawyer as Indy. He's kind a little too shady. What about Eric Bana or Hugh Jackman? I dunno it's hard to put anyone else in that costume...
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Maybe if Transformers does well we'll get it. I want to see that time Commander Rann stuck his fingers outside of their hyperspace tunnel on screen. Too much good.
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I still hate your idea though, LOL. Although saying that Revenge of the Sith is a glimmer of hope says that you aren't very hard to please. Episode III is the worst of the three horrible prequels to the Star Wars Trilogy. And as far as speculating on the next Indiana Jones, yes that can be fun. But I'll keep what I would do with the series off these talkbacks. I don't have the courage you do apparently. All I know is that I couldn't do worse than Last Crusade. Lucas hasn't had a good installment of either of his two franchises since 1984, much less a great one. All signs point to a mediocre Indiana Jones 4. Of course, I'll be there at midnight on opening night.
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I have tons of respect for actors over 30. I was happy to see Rock climb back into the ring again...ONE LAST TIME. I'm even a lil jazzed about seein' my boy John McClane again in LFODH. It's just...well...this is Indy, dammit!! Part of the fun of watching ROTLA was knowing that Harrison was actually dragging behind that truck much of the time. There's no way he could do that again...not now. So we're gonna get a lot of wide shots of a stunt guy instead. I know the 3 main dudes getting back together makes it special...but it may also make it...well...just kinda average. I'm just saying, whether Indy IV gets made or not...there will be a reboot eventually...the character is just to much fun to die...and Harrison will simply be too old for another go round. I say pull the Casino Royale approach now and let somebody younger drag behind the truck for a while. As for Sawyer being too shady...confusing the actor with the character? Last I checked...Indy shot a guy with a sword...just cuz he was tired of fighting. That shady moment was the biggest laugh in the movie. I think Halloway could def pull it off.
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Does no one else care? I'm not a HD hater but this movie has to be shot on film! Anyone have any word on this?
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/film/news/e3ied0764c52ea0c6b79e5a439cf257d65d
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Once they actually go into production we will FINALLY know what the film is going to be about. First film: Judaism, Second film: Hinduism, Third film: Christianity. Mythology would make the most sense for the fourth film. Excalibur, Atlantis, Fountain of Youth etc... Many interesting story elements could be used from mythology. But I just want to know what they have planned, I'm tired of waiting! Best case scenario: Indiana Jones and the ------- of ---- is released in May of 2008, nineteen YEARS after Last Crusade.
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The Phantom Menace is the best film in the Prequel Trilogy. Seriously.
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Lucas goes out in a JFK style parade convoy, flanked by his stormtrooper guards. What are the odds that some guy in a Greedo suit takes a pot-shot at him?
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I would call it the blueprint that all future sci-fi/fantasy films should follow. Masterpiece of art and film...
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That's a great observation about how those three religions played such a significant role in the first three films. I like the idea of going with the myth element.
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Are you referring to The Phantom Menace? If so, I wouldn't call it a masterpiece, it's merely by far the best of the very underwhelming Prequel Trilogy. I would call it a spectacular failure. It has the right elements to be an all-time classic, but he just didn't put them together correctly. The analogy I always think of is a state of the art kitchen with all the finest ingredients, but a chef who doesn't quite know how to make them into a piece de resistance. Three fairly minor changes to the screenplay would have made a HUGE difference in how Episode 1 played to audiences. If you weren't referring to The Phantom Menace, just disregard the above paragraph!
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"time will illuminate this fact." That is my mantra concerning the Prequel Trilogy. It may take 10 years, but someday the consensus will be that Episode 1 is a decent Star Wars film, and Episode 2 and Episode 3 are completely worthless.
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I don't think so either. I know so. And I'll be more than glad to say "I told you so". You mention elements that make Episode 1 worse than it should be, no argument there. But Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith have NO redeeming elements. A shit element in those films doesn't bring them down, they're already there. Like putting a door-ding in a piece of shit car. Who cares? But The Phantom Menace has a LOT going for it, it's just unfortunate that it has some things that keep it from being what it could, and should, have been.
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they fell short of what they should have been. one9deuce, I was being slightly sarcastic when I say TPM was a masterpiece. It was a trainwreck, like all of them. I will say it felt more like a "Star Wars" movie, but it wasn't by any means good. Jar Jar alone dictates it belongs in purgatory. AOTC had some interesting scenes in it (Fett and Obi-Wan, big battle) but that impaled itself with being a bloated piece of crap. The third one was almost there, but the reasons for Anakin turning were weak. It was just missing that Star Wars wonder and humor. Ah well.
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