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I am – Hercules!! Universal Home Video is “considering” a straight-to-DVD “Battlestar Galactica” movie, according to Assuming the series receives a fourth-season order, the Ron Moore project would shoot in March, before production of the fourth season, according to the website. The site also said there is "speculation" the movie could tie together elements of both the reborn "Galactica" and its planned prequel series,"Caprica." Read more of this here.

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  • Dec. 28, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST


    by Animus

    I don't care, anything BSG is cool.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Am I the only one

    by Shivv

    who thinks this does not bode well for a season 4 renewal?

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    However, he did fantastic work as the host of "Steel Stomachs."

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Electrons, plasma, something...Right?

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    My Guess

    by Gorrister

    This will probably be a test vehicle for the Caprica series AND Season Four. If the DVD sells well, they will probably risk making more seasons. unfortunately, this is the same logic that made a certain studio think that a movie version of Firefly would be a big Box Office hit since the series was selling well on DVD.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Is a fourth season questionable?

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Ratings have slipped, but still solid and Sci Fi does not get much critical praise outside of the show. Surely they would not dump it before the five year plan was complete.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    An equally great show, though not nearly as great as BSG, was dumped before its four year plan concluded. I wonder about Sci-Fi. Then again, isn't SCi-Fi owned by NBC?

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    So we gonna get a "best shows of 06" thing from Herc?

    by The Wrong Guy

    Or not? Just curious.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Why wouldn't they dump BSG?

    by Gorrister

    Ever since Bonnie Hammer left the Lifetime Channel to head the SciFi Channel, her policy is that shows should should be gaining audiences and not losing them. She doesn't even like shows that hold a steady ratings because, as stated above, they are not gaining. That is why shows like MST3K, Farscape, LEXX and many more were dropped by SciFi within a couple of years of her taking charge. Battlestar has been steadily losing it's audience since the premire of "33". Sure, it's been a slow decline, for the most part, but a steady decline nonetheless. The "critical praise" argument is a solid one and may save BSG from cancellation. But then, you never know what "The Hammer" will do next. She could just replace it with yet another wrestling program.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST

    A fourth Season is guaranteed

    by Evil_Imp

    Think of the money this series makes on DVD . regardless of Ratings, the Sci-Fi channel would be stupid as shit to not see the series out to it's 5 year conclusion. It may be a slight loss leader up front but this series will pay off big time on the back end. Plus i don't subscribe to the opinion that this show is getting weaker or Less Popular, except maybe with the Internet Fanbots. they are never satisfied Death to Fanbots!

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by zillabeast

    I guess it's a better option than losing out on a big budget theatrical flick. Still...

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST


    by Evil_Imp

    A direct to DVD movie would be a smart idea. there are just not enough BSG fans out there to make a Theatrical release Feasable. that would be a Massive failure IMO. i think it's a smart idea, and we won't have any " To be continued "'s

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST


    by DanielKurland

    I recently watched all of BSG in the past week, and although I was a little lukewarm to it at first, I love the direction the third season took, and I'm enjoying it a lot more now. I'd be supportive of this movie.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    spin off vehicle

    by Darth_Baltar

    plain and simple, this is only to launch the "Caprica" series

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    PG-13 or maybe R ???

    by Darth_Baltar

    wow, now therre isss an intersting thought. Maybe we could see a little more skin in a direct to dvd feature??? Maybe a cylon girl free for all in a jello pit???? Yea, well its just a dream...

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Now Caprica...

    by Evil_Imp

    That's a spin off i'm not especially interested in seeing. maybe it will be good though, i'll have faith. the only thing about BSG that kinda annoys me is that since it is filmed in Vancouver and around British Columbia , everything looks like Vancouver and British Columbia. in the series Caprica looks just like Vancouver and B.C,so much i even regognize Downtown Buildings and streets . then they go out into space and find Kobol, and it looks also , coincidently Just like Vancouver and B.C, then they find the Algae planet , and WOW what a cooincidence, it looks just like B.C. too! LOL!! having lived in B.c and Vancouver i find that a very distracting trait. that and the Hummers, and truck that seem to me a little primitive in a world of Vipers and Battlestars. i know it's a budget issue but it's getting really repetitive, . and for some strange reason i have a feeling that the Caprica Series will look Just like Vancouver and B.C.too. They need some new environments. Just an observation . i love the show in spite of that.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST


    by Shivv

    I think your experience is a rather unique one, considering you live in that area. For someone like me, who has never been to British Columbia, it seems that they've done a good job of differentiating between the different terrestrial settings.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST


    by jinamina

    I hope it will be rated R and I hope Starbuck will be in it. Given the rumors about Starbuck disappearing...

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Starbuck Disappearing?

    by Evil_Imp

    Is that what's going to happen to her? that's how Starbuck went out in the original series. I believe he was stranded on a Planet. at least that's how they tell it " flasback" in that Abomination called " Galactica 1980 " Would this really be a good way to ditch the Starbuck character. she already WAS stranded once before on a Planet in the first season. i hope they don't go THERE again. and Shivv, i see your point too. to me i guess it is like when you see everything shot in L.A. you can always tell when it's the Paramount backlot. lol.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I'm Cumming All Over Myself!

    by Captain Sulu

    I hadn't heard this news. A DVD movie would be frakking great! I hope this is the wave of the future. I gotta clean up now.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    I Shot A Load In My OWN Face!

    by Red Lantern

    I agree, how frakking cool is THAT?!

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I Shot A Load In My OWN Face!

    by Evil_Imp

    You need to get out more! try talking to a girl or something Sheesh!

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    I'm Cumming All Over Myself!

    by Evil_Imp

    you too!

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    A great "Direct to DVD" Opening Scene for BSG...

    by uss cygnus

    Apollo Hears the Shower Running.... He walks to the bathroom,opens the shower door, and There's Sheba! Then, we realize Apollo is Richard Hatch! Sheba smiles, and says "Good Morning". Freeze Frame, and Cue the opening credits.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Quit worrying

    by Anakin Whoopass

    Quality sci-fi shows never get cancelled. It's a historical fact NBC let the original Star Trek run for 25 seasons despite low ratings -- at one point only 47 viewers were watching -- so there's no reason to think the Sci-Fi network owned by NBC would do anything stupid. We're in good hands!

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST

    Y'all Are Pussies, I'm Yanking It Till Tuesday!

    by Winky Man

    This rocks sooooo hard! Has any other series ever done something like this? I'm gonna get tennis elbow over this.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    too much self love

    by Darth_Baltar

    I'd call ya all a bunch of wankers 'cept it seems many here are already quite proud of that title... are we ever gonna break out of the sci fi nerd sterotypes with so many posters dating Rosie Palm and her five blister sisters??????

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:27 p.m. CST

    5 year plan. Possible cancelling. B5 anyone?

    by Amy Chasing

    Babylon 5 found another network. I would hope BSG could too if it had to. I keep hearing how Rolling Stone calls BSG "the hottest show on TV" - I don't remember B5 being so popular, and it still got 5 seasons. Faith manages, and all that jazz.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Psynapse, re:cancellation

    by RenoNevada2000

    SciFi is owned by Unioversal, which not-so-coincidentally owns and produces GALACTICA. As the show is a steady seller on DVD and in overseas syndication, they're not about to let Hammer trash the show over marginal ratings. I don't believe that FARSCAPE was owned by Universal.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Direct to DVD

    by RenoNevada2000

    I bet the success or failure of the Direct to DVD Babylon 5 project will have a bearing on whether this goes ahead or not? Want to see this Galactica fans? Go out and buy the B5 DVD when it hits shelves in the spring.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Pound Sand-

    by RenoNevada2000

    Give it up. No one wants your stupid catch phrase. Stop repeating it in every TB.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Like i said ...........

    by Evil_Imp

    With DVD revenues and a loyal fanbase , a network would be crazy to throw away such a cash crop. thanks to DVD there is almost no way a show like BSG with it's critical praise could EVER lose money for the Sci Fi channel. it's profitable to be sure and that's really all the suits and shareholders are concerned about.sadly. This show WILL see it's 5th year. and Darth_Baltar, you are correct. Talking about masterbaiting on a Internet forum ( whether in jest or not )is lame and they know it. but the anonymity of the internet does bring certain types out of the woodwork and brings out behaviour i know these boys would not show in the REAL world. lol

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 11 p.m. CST

    Re: Metalwater

    by Frankenblogger

    Somebody please bitch-slap that guy. I'm putting him at the top of the "Calm Down List".

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Preliminary Bet-Hedging?

    by Fatboy Roberts

    That's how I'm looking at it. Should the ratings for the back half of season 3 not prove satisfactory, I can see this option being put forth as an alternative to a 4th season. But then again, Universal was floating this same idea after "Serenity" opened, and nothing came of it.<br> <br> Sounds like it's a "maybe" type backup-plan, if it's even really being discussed all that seriously. The idea that it's sort of a setup for "Caprica" is interesting, but that makes me wonder what the structure for the proposed DVD-Movie will be. Something along the lines of Godfather II? <br> <br> Me, personally, I wouldn't mind a 13 episode Season 4 and a 4 hour miniseries/Direct to DVD release to wrap the whole thing up.

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST


    by Evil_Imp

    I still can't see how the studio can't make money with the DVD's. It would be a shame to have this series go unconcluded. that would be the biggest Rip off i can think of. there are so many things that need answers. Heres hoping it goes the distance

  • Dec. 28, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Darth-Baltar - Agreed

    by Onyx390

    Rated R could mean that those steamy Baltar, D'Anna, Caprica three-somes could finally get some Centurion action.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST


    by Evil_Imp

    wouldn't this threat of Cancellation basically scrap the Caprica Prequel we keep hearing about?

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 1:05 a.m. CST



    I'd bet this is where Benedict his will make his appearance. No doubt, it will help sales of the DVD to old-school fans who have yet to watch the new show, while at the same time pimping the Caprica-show which might go more old-Galactica-centric in it's design/costumes...we know for sure from the mini-series that there will be old-school cylons. Dirk will probably be the Iblis/Imperious-leader/Cylon-God. Maybe he'll be part religious-nut, part mad-scientist, but he'll be the guy that triggered cylon-evolution, and maybe there'll even be some weird genetic shit going on with him too. I'd guess he has some connection to Baltar as well (father?). Anyway, those are just my theories, but I'd put money on these two things...1: the DVD will answer alot of questions about the cylons that would bog down Caprica and BSG. 2: It will have Dirk Benedict. Oh, and one more thing, we might see some Dirk on BSG while Sackoff is gone.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 3:45 a.m. CST

    Um,,,this show kinda sucks...not totally, just mostly..

    by Negative Man

    ...Seriously, this show survives simply because there isn't any other good science fiction on T.V. aside from DOCTOR WHO (which is better than it has ever been because it draws from its own history) and the repeats of FARSCAPE: THE PEACEKEEPER WARS (which is far better than the regular series). BSG is slow, ploding, fret with bad acting and bad writing. I thought at first it suffered from the first season 24 syndrome. Writers thought it was going to be cancelled so they tried to tighten things up quickly in its first short season. Cable seasons being shorter than regular T.V. seasons...hence by the sixth ep of 24 they tried to resolve things by ep 12 and then had to create the rest of the 12 eps very quickly, where BSG attempted a fairly complete first season just in case there was no second. But then came season two and three...where very little has actually progressed plotwise. I mean...c'mon...algae planet? Boxing matches? Adama 'finally' feeling guilt ridden about 'starting' the war because he lead a secret mission to spy on the Cylons in a HORRIBLY predictible episode? SFX are top notch and the sets are great, but that's all this show has going for it at this point. Doctor Who and HEROES are far better shows than BSG can ever hope to be. And I agree that ANGEL deserves a T.V./DVD least Spike does. Heck, SMALLVILLE is more entertaining. But we'll just have to be happy with the comics. Oddly, Angel and Spike comics out sell the BSG comics ten fold at my store. In fact, if anyone wants either BSG or Classic BSG comics, I'll sell them for a $1.50 each (plus shipping) just to get them off the shelves...they just don't sell at all.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 3:50 a.m. CST


    by robnubis

    Although more BSG is always a good thing, it would basically be an extended episode. I'd much rather a feature length cinema release. Proper budget etc.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by kentrel

    Your stupid babbling makes you sound like a tabloid journalist.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:26 a.m. CST

    There will definitely be a season four

    by snowpuff

    Maybe not 20 episodes, but 10 episodes. And then MetalWaiter will be shouting "There won't be a season five!!!" Which will probably be true. I'd like to see them wrap it up in season four. Direct to DVD continuations of Galactica would be... odd.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:55 a.m. CST

    That's not completely true Gorrister ...

    by Shan

    ... ratings did creep down from '33' 's 2.6 by the middle of Season 1 to as low as 2.1 but were back to 2.5 by the end of the Season, with the opener of Season 2 rating 2.6. Then episode 2 of Season 2 plunged to 2.0, the show more or less stayed there with only +/- 0.1 variation until the end of Resurrection Ship, slowly deflating further during the second half of the season and violently haemorrhaging steadily since the start of Season 3. So, I'll say you're almost completely correct, I'll give you that. I was wondering about the large drop between "Scattered" 2.1 and "Valley of Darkness" 2.2. I thought it would have made more sense that the Season 2 episode 1 had a lower audience because it was a different time of the year but it did keep the whole audience. It was a decent (if not spectacular) episode with the promise of Cylon mayhem at the end and yet, the biggest plunge in audience happened between these two episodes. It's not like Scattered was such a horrible episode to scare off almost 25% of the audience never to return, was it? I wonder why that was ... Can anyone explain that to me? I thought the more likely place for a fall in ratings would have been between the end of Season 1 and the start of Season 2. Any ideas anyone?

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST

    "Critical Acclaim"

    by Gorrister

    It doesn't matter what critics say about a show or how well DVD sales might be. If a show can't hold ratings, it's worthless to a network (cable, broadcast or otherwise) because those shows have to bring in advertising revenue. If people aren't watching the show, then nobody is watching the commercials. Remember a show called "Commander In Chief"? That show got more praise than "The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfiefer" got ridicule. And guess that? Both of those shows got cancelled before the first season was finished. Does this mean BSG will be cancelled? Who knows? SciFi hasn't been working under any degree of logic for many years now.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST

    I'm hoping BSG is the new Babylon 5

    by Amy Chasing

    I know I keep harping on about this, but I sense the same spirit of story-telling behind both shows. <P> JMS & Co developed a series with a definite beginning, middle and end to be played over 5 years/seasons. They didn't think they'd get a 5th season, so they rushed the 4th to get the bulk of the story in - which buggered up the pace of the show, but in the end the story was told. They knew what they were doing. <P> With BSG wanting 5 seasons, their story too can have an end in sight. If they pack the last couple seasons worth of stories into season 4, it'll be like B5 all over again - hopefully they don't want this to happen because it'll just serve to bring an inconsistency in the pacing and story-telling that would detract from the previous three seasons. It'd be like watching BSG divided by 2, not squared. <P> But so far the writers have shown a depth in story-telling that I've not seen in a multi-season series since B5. They've got my trust because I enjoy what they've done and are doing with the characters, and they've given us answers while also raising more questions to drive the show from week to week. <P> There may be many things people don't like about BSG, just as there were with B5 - but I guess in the end you either enjoy it for what it is or not. The BSG writers seem to know what they're doing, so let them take you along for the ride - it only costs your time.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST

    DVD Sales.

    by Shan

    From what I heard, unlike a lot of other shows, the network also gets the revenue from the DVD sales. (Apparently one of the things that didn't help Angel was that even though the DVDs were selling well, the WB didn't get any of it). However, unless that's a lot (I have no idea), that in itself won't be enough. I know Galactica Season 3 has had 9, possibly even 10 episodes in the top 100 iPod downloads as well recently but unless that's also a lot of downloads, that isn't necessarily going to swing it even if combined with the DVDs either.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I Love Me Some Galatica Straight To DVD Movie.

    by HaveCameraWillTravel

    I would definitely be buying that.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST

    I Ripped My Cock Out By The Roots!

    by Captain Sulu

    Slammed it in my ass and gave my self a reach around. How's THAT for being a fan? You are the pussy Spooge McDuck. Top that. PWNED bitch!

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:25 a.m. CST

    Well, the DVDs have been on sale for months

    by Shan

    ... if not years. The Season 1 set + mini is ranked at #30 on Amazon, 2.0 at #54 and 2.5 at #35. These sets have been out for a long time and I imagine a lot of people bought the sets earlier on, especially the fans. I think these rankings are still quite good. Maybe not good enough on their own but still ...

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:29 a.m. CST

    All for it

    by Diagnostic

    Direct to DVD that is. <br> Because it is so much more enjoyable.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    All of this has happened before

    by Diagnostic

    All of this has happened before...<br><br> and all of it will happen again. <br><br> I hope the in the 5th season they restart the series from the beginning<br><br> but reshuffle all of the actor's roles. <br><br> James Callus plays Apollo, etc.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    The show has gotten too full of itself

    by UserIDGoesHere

    Critical acclaim is probably part of the problem. They're trying way too hard to make it "gritty" or whatever the new buzz word is. There's not a single likeable human character left, except for Adama. It's typical for villains to get juicier roles in shows, but not for them to become the heroes of the show. Go Cylons! Where is the new Billy-type human character ... someone to ground the show? Starbuck is vile and ugly, inside and out. Helo's a pansy-assed whiner. Lee got fat and is now cheating on his wife. Roslin is schizo. Tigh has been a moping, broken dude. Starbuck's husband was probably the best human left, but he's gone. I made it to halfway through the boxing episode and never went back. partly because it was Christmas season and every Friday night was busy, but also because it wasn't worth being appointment TV any longer.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Sorry, I meant ...

    by Shan

    "Maybe not good enough on their own *to keep the show on the air* but still ...

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    2.x down to 1.3 ratings...

    by SantiagoAtez

    Season 3 has really been hurting on the ratings. And for such an expensive show to produce, I fear we might be Fireflied/Farscaped on this one... Sorry, but I'm pestimistic on this. Saying that, there will be no one happier than I if season 4 gets a green light.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    My general impressions and predictions:

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    1) The Caprica prequel series will officially be put on hold next year, because the current ratings for Galactica can no longer justify it. (Thank goodness, I say. Let's keep the creative focus on Galactica instead.) 2) Sci-Fi will stick with Galactica, though both the episode numbers and budget will be steadily cut back. But, in fact, the worst case scenario would be that Sci-Fi grants only 12 episodes for Season 4. That would bring the total number of episodes to 65 -- that's really the absolute minimum you need today for daily syndication (13 weeks for 5 days each).

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    MetalWater - it's HTML, I think

    by Amy Chasing

    just type < P > (without the spaces) to make paragraphs.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    what shows are rating higher than BSG?

    by Amy Chasing

    just out of curiosity. after all, perhaps shows are rating poorly across the board?

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by snowpuff

    Metalwater, your information is usually pretty good but in this case there has been no decision on season four. Jeff Zucker is a fan so I think they'll squeeze out something. You're jumping the gun on the prediction rumors.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by oisin5199

    do you seriously think anyone listens to your dumbass suggestions about the show? Seriously, you need to go write fan fiction or something because the real BSG will never be what you want it to be. And every time some news item is announced about BSG, doesn't matter if it's positive or negative, you say "oh, this means Galactica's gonna be canceled. The sky is falling! The show would improve if it only took my brilliant suggestions. Waaaah!" How many times do we have to tell you to shut the fuck up? Moore has said he has a five year plan for the show. Scifi would be incredibly stupid to cancel their most popular show before that. Now go back to playing with your Boxie doll.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Why engage Metalwater?

    by Billyeveryteen

    Let the retard have his bottle.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Why does this have to mean bad news?

    by Nabster

    I don't understand why people believe a possible direct to dvd movie means impending doom for the show. Its not as if its a tradeoff between gracing movie screens or dvds, I don't think anyone expects a theatrical release for a Battlestar Galactica movie. If Sci Fi were to cancel this show it would be incredibly boneheaded of them, and very disheartning to think the best Sci Fi to grace our TV screens cannot make it. I am seriously loving season 3, very character driven and very excellent.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    other possible reasons for lower ratings

    by Amy Chasing

    Thanksgiving & Xmas. I guess many people don't make TV a priority then. But seriously, what other shows are rating higher than BSG? Anyone know? <P> BTW, no probs MetalWater.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Metalwater you tool

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Trolling away. Yet you come back every talkback to bitch about a show that some of us consider the second coming. Leave us alone. <p> And we love it because RDM has a gift for writing stories in a familiar genre with a completely differnt and unique slant. Your standard spacebattle idea is nothing new. Your not fit to wipe Rons arse lol. <p> With DVD sales pretty high, I think the problem is so many people are down loading the show instead of watching it. I know I am. I am not prepared to wait months to watch it in the UK. Its time for the networks to realise that a new business model is required in the Broadband age. So mant people are now watchingg TV on their computers that a new way of business is required. I would pay to watch the show streaming, as long as it is the same time as the show. You could even put adverts in (shudder). I bought the season 1 dvd to show solidarity and I will buy 2; but times they are a changing and the networks need to keep up. Otherwise they will end up cancelling all shows. <p> Leave us alone Metalwater. In a time of war you would be shot as a discenter.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Sci-Fi, the network with no mercy..

    by Ironmuskrat

    Serious, its doesn't matter how hard the critics and fans kiss BSG ass... Sci-fi has shown in the past is will axe popular shows(Farscape) with no mercy if it doesn't perform to whatever ratings vs. money formula they use. I am sure if it was up to the bean counters at Sci-fi they would cancel BSG and use the money to make two dozen new giant spider/killer beetle/mutant Nazi monster movies, if they thought it would make them a dime more.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST

    I Came Into The Tub Then Bathed In It

    by Winky Man

    Who's the true fan now biatch?

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Metalwater, have to admit your DVD data was helpful

    by NoHubris

    Season 1 - as the highest selling DVD of all three seasons - means whatever they did that season should be expanded upon. Moreover, the strength of season 1 (and the show) was reflected in the Season 2 premiere which brought in 3.1 million viewers.< P >RD Moore and his writing team consistently knocked it out of the park in Season 1 and based on the Amazon data it still shows.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST

    I'll have to work on my <P>

    by NoHubris

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    Redo RE: Metalwater data

    by NoHubris

    Season 1 - as the highest selling DVD of all three seasons - means whatever they did that season should be expanded upon. Moreover, the strength of season 1 (and the show) was reflected in the Season 2 premiere which brought in 3.1 million viewers.<P>RD Moore and his writing team consistently knocked it out of the park in Season 1 and based on the Amazon data it still shows.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Meant to say I'll have to work on my "< P >"

    by NoHubris

    But I got it. Thanks Amy Chasing.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    The thing that really bugs me about MetalWater...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius that he uses too many fuckin' exclamation points!!!!!!!!!!<P>Seriously, are you on a constant caffeine & White Cross high while you type from the basement of the science building?! GODSDAMN.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    I think "33" has been embraced this entire season. It may have lost a little in season 2, but "33" type episodes have certainly returned now. Very tense, character driven choices that effect all the humans and cylon alike,

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    BSG & DVD...

    by Cinexploits

    Have always had a healthy relationship. I would go as far as saying if it hadn't been for the DVD numbers then BSG would have been cancelled after the first "half-season". That's why they do that - get a half season going, release a half dvd set - then continue on alternating the releases. The dvd sets finance the whole shebang (or at the very least keep the guys at Universal who own Scifi interested in continuing the show, and building the whole franchise with Caprica)You even have Best Buy doing specialty DVD releases for the show. A DVD Premiere (the proper term straight from Video Business magazine) is a smart move all around...and hey, DVD was the thing that got Firefly on the screens.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    As for this movie...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...I really don't know what to think. I don't understand why they wouldn't just broadcast the movie...especially if part of its intent is to kickstart "Caprica". Speaking of which, I have doubts about that show ever seeing the light due to Galactica's apparent ratings drop.<P>While I'm hopeful for a full 5 year arc, I found my confidence a little shaken by the somewhat worrisome demeanor Sackhoff displayed in the radio interview from the last TB. (Anybody else remember that?) And it doesn't make sense to me that NBC isn't doing more to generate interest/ratings in this show. Where are all the replays?! It seems like I can't turn on the TV without one of the damn Stargate shows being on. Why can't this happen for BSG?

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Why isn't Sackhoff doing interviews...

    by NoHubris

    ...on NBC owned Jay Leno or Conan O'Brien? Come to think of it, that was a pre-season 3 Metalwater suggestion.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    This might be the possible conclusion of the series

    by Gorrister

    Maybe the DVD is an option they are considering if BSG isn't picked up for a fourth season. That way, the fans will have the story wrapped up, even if it is in a rushed manner.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Cheers, sir, and Happy New Year to you. Since it appears you have listened to the Sackhoff interview, could you list a few significant items in an "executive summary" perhaps? I was set to listen, discovered it was 40+ minutes long, and had to bail. <p>I agree with you about the "Caprica" series--not much news or hype about it yet, not holding my breath. I guess is S4 is greenlit, then it could be true that the direct to dvd thing is for some linkage to the spinoff. But you nailed it: Why not just broadcast it anyway before releasing to dvd? Surely SciFi could afford to give up a Saturday evening slot from one of the hundreds of atrocious "originals", or one night of wrestling [What the FRAK is wrestling doing on a scifi channel, anyway?]. So, I concur that this direct-to-dvd concept is troubling, since it makes no sense. An extra 2 hour feature is fine, but why they would not even be considering an airing on the channel first is beyond me.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Hammer will cancel BSG to do MANSQUITO: THE SERIES

    by Triumph poops!

    I'm sorry to hear that BSG is waffling in the ratings. Personally I think the show has done a great rebound this year from Season 2, the bulk of which just felt "off" and actually did get a bit boring (to me) till they introduced the Pegasus storyline.<p>That said, I have NO faith in Bonnie Hammer and the Sci Fi Channel crew who generally have taste for picking projects out the ass. Seriously, even as we speak I'm sure the marketing geniuses there are planning MANSQUITO: THE SERIES thinking THAT will be the latest salvation of the channel. Followed of course by ALIEN APOCALYPSE 2 since all the world is clamoring for that as well! (insert Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here...)

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    hmmm, I kind of don't like this....

    by Russman

    but I guess no one kind of cares what I think. hahahaha

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Sackhoff probably isn't doing interviews because ...

    by UserIDGoesHere

    her character is likely the biggest reason the show is plummeting in the ratings. Starbuck is unwatchable. You heard me. UNWATCHABLE! Now good day, sir.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST

    This DVD move is strictly business IMO

    by NoHubris

    Early in the year, USA Today reported that the home DVD/video market is THREE TIMES THE SIZE of the theatrical market.<P>This move looks like a marketing ploy to expand the show's reach to new viewers before Season 4. Direct- to-DVD movies are typically marketed to an entirely broader audience, exceeding the number of viewers who watch the show (e.g. Netflix, Amazon and the like). Studios like Paramount have launched their own DVD Premiere Groups to cash in on the market. We're just looking at a new paradigm IMHO. Also, Wikipedia reports that"...DVD Premieres have become a substantial source of revenue for movie studios, as DVDP's have collectively grossed over $3 billion the last few years."

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST

    UserIDGoesHere, hear you loud and clear

    by NoHubris

    I am aware her character may not be the most popular one with certain fans at this time. But you must admit that she makes for an entertaining interview. IMO a Leno/O'Brien network interview to promote the show would both boost the direct-to-DVD movie sales and attract viewers to the show.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    good point, UserIDGoesHere

    by SantiagoAtez

    I just went back and watched some of the 1st season over again, and I couldn't have said it any better. You're right on the dot, IMHO, and I think that's one of the main reasons why season 3 hasn't been going over that well with a lot of the fanbase.

  • Dec. 29, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    UserID-I was refering to your topic of likeable char.

    by SantiagoAtez


  • Dec. 29, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The real problem

    by Shivv

    Is that Sci-Fi made a terrible mistake with scheduling. BSG worked well with the Stargates as lead-ins (they're decent shows if you give them a chance, and Amanda Tapping is still pretty hot). <p>Add to that the fact that Dr. Who sucks nuts, and you have a situation where the audience shrinks. <p>Yes, the quality of the show has declined a bit (like Ron Moore's fixation on metaphors over actual plot) but its still one of the best on TV. I think the new Sunday timeslot will help quite a bit.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 4:41 a.m. CST

    I still think it's a fallback in case of cancellation

    by Gorrister

    I could be wrong, but if BSG is renewed for Season Four, I'm betting this DVD won't happen. I think it's being 'considered' as a possible conclusion to the story in case SciFi decides to cancel BSG. Although BSG is one of SciFi's top rated shows, it's ratings seem to have gotten too low to justify the production costs. Shows like Doctor Who, which get lower ratings, don't cost SciFi as much because they are just paying for the rights to air the episodes rather than paying for the entire production run. So, I think this DVD proposal is just SciFi covering their butts so they don't piss off BSG fans by not giving them a resolution.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 6:21 a.m. CST

    Re: Galactica Is About To Be Canceled - MetalWater

    by desloch

    <p>"they need to turn her baby into Dr. Zee from Galactica 1980... a truly intriguing character" <p>{snip} <p>"And if we get rid of Apollo and bring back Zack, maybe we'll have a chance at getting a lead hero who's truly macho!!!" <p>-MetalWater <p>Wow MetalWater, you're a visionary like no other... I already read the scripts for season 3.5, and you're right on target. After Adama nukes the temple, the fleet moves on and comes across a casino planet operated by a race of Daggits. The colonials stop there for some much needed R and R, but things get complicated when they discover that the Daggits actually run a secret underground mining operation using human slaves. Both Zack and Starbuck's father (played by Dirk Benedict) have been in the mine for years, but they lead an uprising, overpowering the Daggits (with the help of a one of them, who ends up joining the fleet and becoming best friends with Boxey, who returns to take a leading role in episode 3.14). <p>Starbuck meets Zarek (who's decided he's sick of politics) and they both become viper pilots. They honor Apollo and Starbuck (who were killed in the temple back in 3.12) by taking on their call signs. Meanwhile, through a rift in the space-time continuum, Sharon's baby grows up in 12 months and becomes Zee! Zack and Boxey hook up with him and together they invent a time machine and go back and try to warn the colonies of the Cyclons' surprise attack from years before. <p>Also, for season 3.5, Moore and company get rid of the complex characters, storylines, and dialogue, and return to simpler themes where there aren't so many shades of gray. No more deception, alcoholism, or other confusing topics. The bad guys will always be bad and the good guys will always be good. <p>Yes! It'll be Galactica 1980 all over again!

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 6:36 a.m. CST


    by Gorrister

    You totally forgot about the Space Scout! ;) And, of course, they couldn't use Wolfman Jack since he's dead, so maybe they can bring in Howard Stern instead. Or Rush Limbaugh?

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Re: Let's Not Be Ridiculous Desloch!!! - MetalWater

    by desloch

    What are you talking about MetalWater? Why do you think the season 3.5 story lines I mentioned are ridiculous? <p>But I agree with you about the characters... I mean, if Billy and Sharon#1 had lasted from the mini-series into Season 2 or if Kat and Ellen Tigh had lasted from Season 1 into Season 3, maybe I'd feel differently. But since those characters only "lasted 5 to 8 episodes", and never had and significance whatsoever, they were truly disposable. <p>And it was so obvious what would happen to them. We knew that Billy was gonna bite it weeks in advance. I figured the moment they introduced Ellen Tigh that she'd eventually collaborate with her husband to save her husband only to be executed by him for it. And Kat... it was clear in season 1 that she'd eventually sacrifice herself and succumb to a radiation overdose. We all knew it was coming weeks in advance! <p>It's also obvious that had original Galactica lasted, they woulda killed off Starbuck and Apollo in season 2. It's a shame Moore doesn't have the guts to kill off characters that have been in more than a few episodes. <p>P.S. Don't even pretend to understand the magnitude of what happened when Wildstar rammed my ship near the end of Space Cruiser Yamato season 1. You had to be there.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Correction - should read

    by desloch

    I figured the moment they introduced Ellen Tigh that she'd eventually collaborate with the Cylons to save her husband only to be executed by him for it.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:29 a.m. CST

    President Baltar ...

    by Shan

    Yes, yes I am Shan-12 from IMDB. Thanks for the welcome. (I've been here for years and finally I get noticed???? In a good way I mean :-) )

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:33 a.m. CST

    are you guys serious?

    by adolphdrake

    I'm just curious. Because I don't know if guys like Metalwater really think thier storyline ideas are worth a damn or they're just playing at the whole fanboy with a script thing. If that's the case then kudos, if not, well... Metalwater, please hop on a plane to hollywood and get a movie deal or television deal or something. You're an untapped resource!!!!!!!!!! (Like the exclamation marks?) You shoud take over BSG and save it, because we all know that damn show has been in dire need of saving ever since "33". Also, if you get a movie deal please re-make the Star Wars trilogy and give us fans the trilogy we deserve. I'm sick of BSG and the 3 years of quality it's given us. As fans we should get together and write our battlestar show and call Metalwater Galactica: The New Generation 5 in honor of you, Metalwater. Thanks for showing us the way.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Sure, BSG ripped off Star Wars

    by Gorrister

    But Star Wars ripped off the Dune novels before that.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Long time, no see. Happy New Year - I hope you've had a nice Holiday.<P>Regarding that Sackhoff interview, there really wasn't a whole lot to it. The two jocks are big BSG fans and were obviously lavishing adoration on Katie. (Which is easy to do!)<P>The most interesting segment for me was when they began to discuss the future of her character and the show. I think it's fairly well known now that Starbuck will be disappearing sometime towards the end of this season. Where this places Starbuck and Katie's job on the show is unknown = apparently she's bound by a confidentiality agreement. When asked on how the show was doing, she seemed to get a little bummed out. She said that Ron Moore definitely wants a 5 year arc. That was the plan. But you could tell there was some worry in her voice regarding the 4th season. Considering all the critical praise, the word-of-mouth, the downloads, and the Peabody(!) - I was a little shocked.<P>Unfortunately for me, Katie Sackhoff has a sexy as hell mad-cackle laugh that reminds me of an ex-girlfriend. ;)

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    "Critical Praise"

    by Gorrister

    Don't forget that the show "Commander in Chief" received a LOT of critical praise as well. But it lost it's audience during it's first season, so it was cancelled. Praise can only get a show so far. In the end, it's all about money. If BSG doesn't get the ratings it needs to justify it's budget, it'll get cancelled. Of course, SciFi could always go the "Enterprise" route and give the show a fourth season as a 'last chance' to bring ratings up.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Ratings? Who cares?

    by NHRonin

    You guys are like sports fans who whining over the salaries paid to their local teams' athletes. Us fretting over ratings won't change a damn thing. Isn't SkyChannel or some foreign network footing part of the bill for the show anyway?

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Bummed Out Katee and Critical Praise

    by NoHubris

    KATEE. I wonder if Katee was bummed about the situation with her character or the status of the show?<P>CRITICAL PRAISE. This means free advertising and marketing to potential viewers who are not currently watching the show. It does not guarantee ratings, but it does help the marketing budget. The question of consideration is will it be enough to help "at this juncture." Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 1 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Thanks, Sir!! I appreciate your taking the time to sum it up!<p>And, I agree about her laugh! Comcast just recently added Universal HD to the lineup here, so I am getting to see some back episodes in HiDef! In one of them was a scene with Starbuck in a swarming Viper/Raider dogfight, she flames one and then they have a camera angle from outside the ship, back and above her left shoulder. She looks back to her left at the flaming Raider, and lets that laugh fly! It was such a natural moment, and such a sexy laugh, that I watched that few seconds a couple more times!<p>And, as this is likely to be the last BSG TB until near the end of January: Cheers to Mr. Nice Gaius, chrth, NoHubris, Red Ned Lynch, Wonkabar, President Baltar, BillyEveryTeen (I am bad with names, so sorry if I did not get you in this list!) for the interesting conversations this year, and look forward to more--hopefully 5 full seasons' worth!<p>Happy New Year to All.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Chromedome, Happy New Year to You Too...

    by NoHubris

    ... and the aforementioned, as well as other BSG TBers.<P>Congrats on your HiDef. Happy viewing in the '07 as long as it includes plenty of BSG!<P>Cheers!

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Nicely said adolphdrake

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Shame Metalcunt cant take a hint. lol

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST

    I'll buy one

    by Cobbio

    Hell, if they make a made-for-DVD BSG movie, I'll buy a copy or two. I'm generally a bit particular about that format, and I don't usually go for that kind of thing. But I've enjoyed the hell out of the show on Sci-Fi, and I have faith that Ron Moore could pull off something cool.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Possible solutions?

    by Optimus Murphy

    If BSG is slipping enough to warrant cancellation - a stupid move in my eyes, but I love this show, and am not paying for it, why not seek some other alternatives before axing it? Execs are too quick to drop shows, especially when they're sitting on the edge. How about trying a shorter season? Pull the 24 and run with no breaks. I could settle for that.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    If it's cancelled there's officially NO hope for us

    by performingmonkey

    What the fucking hell is with all the haters coming out of the woodwork now the phrase 'direct-to-DVD' has appeared? Jesus H Christ on a crutch screwing a rabbit in a hutch, Galactica is an excellent show! Especially when compared with all the BULLSHIT shows that all you idiots obviously love so much more. The only show I enjoy as much is 24, but even that's only held together by Kiefer (and Gregory Itzin was good, actually incredible as Logan)

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Metalwater, you forgot other Star Wars sources...

    by NoHubris

    ...of inspiration. The story "references" the Akira Kurosawa film HIDDEN FORTRESS (1958) and Darth Vader looks very similar to a villain called the Lightning from the Republic Pictures serial THE FIGHTING DEVIL DOGS (1938).

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Galactica started out really good

    by Gorrister

    I wasn't too impressed with the miniseries (too slow and very little action) but I felt that the first season was very well done and definately deserved the praise it received. Unfortunately, I think the writers and producers let the praise go to their heads. The show started getting really preachy, villified the humans and made the Cylons look like the victims (despite the holocaust). The show just got too full of itself (which is known as "Allan Alda's Syndrome"). The show has been losing viewers since "Valley of Darkness". Whether you love or hate BSG, you have to ask yourself the big question: "Why?". There are probably too many reasons to name, but the writers and producers have to take the brunt of the blame. They HAD their audience watching for the first season and pretty much all of them came back to watch the first episode of Season Two. After that, viewers started jumping ship. Is it coincidence that this decline came during a season of shows preaching about issues like terrorism, abortion and military abuse of civilians? Probably not.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Heroes > BG

    by BadMrWonka


  • Dec. 30, 2006, 10:17 p.m. CST


    by redshirt

    Voyager had so much promise. I hoped it would be a survival epic, starting with straight starfleet and slowly evolving as they travelled through the delta quadrant, but no, it was typical trek with holodeck episodes and everything. No evolution. BSG also started out with such promise. The first season was dark and dramatic and action packed as they struggled to survive every day, and it was good! Now, however, there are so many episodes that take them further from the survival epic it should be. Hell, just tell me that that stupid boxing episode wasn't the equivalent of a holodeck episode.

  • Dec. 30, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    I keep hoping

    by Gorrister

    I was extremely disappointed with Season Two, but started feeling a bit better about the show with the first few episodes of Season Three (even though I disliked the Iraq parallels). Unfortunately, after Exodus pt.2, Season Three slipped back into the rut that Season Two was in. And even though I liked the first few episodes of Season Three, I can completely understand why viewers would switch it off. We get enough crap about terrorism and insurgencies in the news without it leaking into our entertainment. A small part of me hopes the last half of Season Three can turn things around, but after the weak mid-season cliffhanger, I don't think it's going to happen. (and not to mention that I don't typically watch TV on Sunday nights)

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 5:41 a.m. CST

    Battlestar is a load of shite!

    by banthafodder uk

    come on - you knowit's true happy new year anyway :)

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST


    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I got nothing!

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST

    The show's inconsistency undermines its arc approach

    by FluffyUnbound

    If you are going to base your show on a continuing through-line, you have to maintain quality, you have to progress the story line in a comprehensive and sensible way, and you have to have an overarching story structure that feels logical and linear. The show hasn't done that. There are great individual sub-arcs [I thought the first five episodes of this season were absolutely fantastic] but if the "long story" is that the humans are searching for Earth and that the Cylons have a plan, they haven't done that story well. The first season worked because it felt like one long 13-part miniseries. The subsequent seasons haven't worked and have shedded viewers because that's exactly what they haven't felt like. They've been unfocused and have felt improvised. They've also been wildly inconsistent in terms of episode quality. Because of that, when they tried in the last couple of episodes to pick up the search for Earth again and set up a cliffhanger, it felt arbitrary and forced - OK, we're hearing about scriptures we've never heard about before, we're hearing about an artifact we never heard about before, oh noes will they find it? The show can still work, maybe in season four; the spoilers I've heard for the rest of 3 don't really give me a lot of confidence that they'll fix the show this year.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 9:02 a.m. CST

    The Cylon Plan

    by Gorrister

    I keep waiting for Ron Moore to clarify exactly what the Cylons 'plan' is. Personally, I think he's taking the Ed Wood route in bringing the Cylons up to "Plan 9" before the series ends. I think they are currently on "Plan 4"

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Sci-fi Friday nights are dead.

    by Billyeveryteen

    Doctor Who does not equal 2 Stargates. I hope Sunday nights are more fruitfull.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    They Were On A Break

    by Gorrister

    I haven't commented on Apollo and Starbuck yet. What is frustrating for me with these characters is that they have turned into Ross and Rachael from "Friends". I never understood why writers can't writer a good romance for characters who obviously like each other. After ten years of on-again-off-again, the "Friends" writers waited until the final five minutes of the final episode to throw those two back together in an extremely clumsy manner. With Apollo and Starbuck, the writers have villified these characters so much that I can't understand why anyone cares anymore. Apollo is cheating on his wife emotionally and Starbuck is cuckolding Anders every which way she can. Who can respect heroes who are so vile?

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Doctor Who

    by Gorrister

    Personally, I'll take one episode of Doctor Who over every single season of Stargate ever made. Unfortunately for SciFi Channel, Doctor Who is extremely "British". Although I love European movies and television, I sometimes wonder if some of the cultural references are lost on the American audience. On the flip side, Doctor Who is good for SciFi because it doesn't cost them as much as BSG or Stargate.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    ...Right back atcha! :~)

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    It's not getting cancelled; some fans are idiots

    by desloch

    Some fans are never happy. When the season2 finale aired, the colonials elected Baltar president, settled on a planet, and the show fast-forwarded a year to see them get occupied by the Cylons. And after all that, people here bitched that the show was stagnating and that they needed to try something fresh (while in the same breath complaining that the writers needed to get them off the planet ASAP so that the focus would go back to a fleet running away). What a bunch of fickle idiots some fans are. <p>Then season 3 began, some wingnuts complain about the parallels being made to Iraq. Cry me a river you over-sensitive whiners. <p>Here's the truth: The ratings decline has been fairly constant and steady; it's not due to any of the above events or because fans don't like the imperfect characters (personally, I don't especially care for the new Starbuck and Apollo love story, but I don't think it's ruining the show). <p>The show was dark and risky from the beginning and it's maintained its quality (even though a few episodes aren't as strong as others). But ultimately it's a show that can't sustain its audience by its very nature for two basic reasons: <p>Firstly, much of the audience tuned in because BSG handled TV scifi in such a different direction: quasi-realistic space-physics, believable characters and situations, long story-arcs filled with complex stories in a dark, gritty world of endless shades of gray. No other TV scifi show has ever done what BSG has done (no offense Babylon5 fans, but it's much simpler and sillier than BSG, despite its long story-arc). <p>And, many of the people who tuned in to BSG aren't the kinds of people who care enough about sci-fi to watch it every week to keep up with a huge story-arc. Most of the people I know who watched the mini-series and most of season1 aren't scifi fans, and they simply couldn't maintain their interest in any scifi show, no matter how good it was (while a show like Lost is more mainstream because people can relate more to the characters and situations). <p>Secondly, BSG has a very narrow premise that's restricted further by the writers keeping it (mostly) realistic. Imagine how many Star Trek episodes there would've been with no alien races and no space/time rifts. This prevents BSG from going more than 5 or 6 seasons before it gets stale, no matter how good the writing is. <p>In any case, the show isn't getting cancelled. Ron Moore's wife has set the record straight many times over at scifi's BSG board. I have no doubt that we'll get at least 4 seasons, and probably 5.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Can dowloads pull down ratings?

    by Anakin Whoopass

    If you were a Nielsen household and you download a show, wouldn't you still write that you watched it in the book?

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Fluffyunbound has made some valid points...

    by NoHubris

    ...(and enlightening), especially about the comparison to Season One. I can understand adding episodes, but why not stay with the same ingredients that made the show such a smashing success. In addition to the existing producing team of course, IMHO the Season One ingredients are these:<P>-Going with the same, proven writers from that year.<P>-As Fluffyunbound said so well, characters acting in a way that made us care about them in the beginning<P>-Characters that are are consistently involved in the kind of interesting things that kept us caring about what they were doing.<P>I'm still a big fan, but I have to admit Fluffyunbound pointed out a few sensible ways to bring the departed Season One crowd (and others) back into the fold.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST

    does the <p> thing work in the <p> subject?

    by darth_billy

    Lord <p> knows <p> < p >

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    What's with the Smallville soft-rock in the ads?

    by CTU Mole

    I HATE that shit. There has to be one guy behind that and "Enterprise" and every other show that the bonehead execs think they can appeal to people under 35 with whatever pop crap is on the radio. I say we find him.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Story versus Character

    by NudeandAroused

    Ok all you story fans out there. Please tell what story driven movie, or TV show actually won an award, or has been on TV for longer than a year? There aren't that many, if any at all. Look at the original "Let's get to earth" BSG. It sucked. They were lucky it lasted as long as it did. Look at any TV show, Movie, or book that is driven by story, and it bombs. The "lets get to earth" aspect of BSG is a back drop for the shows in depth characters. Whether they get to the earth is immaterial. It is not the point. The characters and how they are dealing with life is the point of the show. It is the point of all great works. A character driven show, movie, or book, drives interest and feeling. The reader, or viewer finds a way to identfy and be motivated by with the characters. That keeps them interested. The story is secondary. Look at the best show on TV today, "The Wire." Not by any stretch a show about the Baltimore Police, it is about the Cops, dealers, and politicians who make up the city. "Deadwood" isn't the story of a townn, it is the story of Swearingen, Bullock, Tolliver, and everybody else. Great books like "The Lord of the Rings," "Gone with the Wind" and "Crime and Punishment" are all who they are because of the characters. Shakespeare isn't remembered for the great darma of Hamlet, he is remembered for the characters like Hamlet, Macbeth, or even Iago. My point is that Galactica isn't about getting to earth. Yes, they will deal with it. But, the point of the show is to demonstrate how the human condition like war, impacts our humanity. I honestly believe that characters like Baltar, and Tighe especially, are two reason why BSG is brilliant and remains so. Yes, some episodes have ended tp easily and to pat. That doesn't take away from the overall brilliance that has brightened American TV. Besides if it is losing ratings, I hardly would find fault with the show. Remember we are dealing with a country that consistantly rates "American Idol, " "Survivor," and "The Bachelor" as some the highest regularly rated TV in years.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Story versus Character

    by redshirt

    Nude guy, you are of course correct, the best, long lasting shows are open ended and allow for lots of character development, i.e. medical or police drama. Galactica, however, is not that. It's very premise is war, survival, and running. This is the construct of the show. Given those parameters set up the show, they have to stick by them. If you are running for your life, you can't have an episode where all your best pilots decide to take the day off and do some boxing. Maybe they should have begun with "Caprica" if they weren't going to be able to pull off a several season BSG arc.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Nude Guy

    by FluffyUnbound

    On what possible basis can you try to claim that Gone with the Wind is not story driven? Granted, it contains some of the most memorable characters in popular fiction, but it's intricately plotted and extremely linear in structure. The plot is what allows the characterization to be expressed. Without the backdrop of the Civil War and Reconstruction, Scarlett is just a bitch and Rhett is just a dick. If halfway through GWTW, the Civil War stopped because everybody had gone home, and there were five chapters written by five different writers featuring boxing matches and black marketeers from a noir novel who somehow teleported to 1860's Georgia [and then Scarlett's daughter was saved from death at the last second by Cylon baby blood] I don't think GWTW would have stood up quite so well all these years. But I guess the fact that you think LOTR and Shakespeare aren't story driven means that you define these things differently than I do. All the great Shakespeare plays are perfectly plotted, with little or no extraneous material whatsoever. I frankly can't remember or even imagine reading a Shakespeare play and thinking, "Is he ever going to get to the point?" or "Gee, this seems like kind of a pointless digression," or "Wow, the approach here has gotten muddled and repetitive." If you look at the Iraqtica arc, it's intensely characterized but utterly spare in its construction - just about every scene is contributing to the story and leads logically to the arc's climax. The rest of the season hasn't been like that.

  • Dec. 31, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    GWTW, LOTR and Shakespeare

    by NudeandAroused

    "GWTW," "LOTR" and all Shakespeare plays are driven by character choices. Scarlett chooses to marry all the men that she does. She chooses to do what she does. Rhett chooses to leave her. If it were story, Each choice that the character makes changes the plot. GWTW is not a book about the Civil War. It is a story about the people of the south during the Civil War. Instead it is how the war affects the character. The same is said for LOTR. If LOTR were story, the Fellowship never would have broken up. Instead you have the character of Frodo breaking the Fellowship and changing the plot. All the choices of the characters change the plot. The story goes around the characters. Not the other way around. The same is said for Shakespeare. Remember when Hamlet catches Claudius in the chapel asking for forgiveness? If it were story driven, Hamlet should have killed Claudius then and there. He did not. The character changed the plot. The story changes and Hamlet doomes himself because he does not kill Claudius.

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    SciFi Fridays may be dead...

    by chromedome

    ...and that may be a good thing! I have always wondered if BSG would get a better audience on a night when more people are actually at home to watch it. I know most folks can record it if they want to watch it, but if they never saw it, they may not know they want to watch it. Putting into a heavily promoted (one hopes) Sunday line up along with Dresden may get a lot of curious folks into it. (of course, BSG is hard to jump into the middle of and know what is going on)

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I'm with you on that, Chromedome

    by NoHubris

    I've had countless conversations with people who have said "I've heard BSG is a good show, but I haven't had the chance to see it yet." Maybe Sunday night is the way to make it happen.

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Ratings hurt by On-Demand?

    by NHRonin

    Did you folks know that Comcast offers BSG on-demand? The episodes are available the day after it airs (Saturday morning). Not that I give a crap about ratings, but how many people are going out Friday nights and watching it sometimes over the weekend on-demand?

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Good to know, NHRonin

    by chromedome

    Maybe I can catch it OnDemand if my dvr glitches!<p>Like as not, there is a lot of data gathered and evaluated for all OnDemand viewings, too--potentially a lot of semi-personal and demographic data on you, over and above what they get from Nielson folks. So I am sure when the sales person at SciFi is talking to a sponsor, they are saying things like we have X number of viewers for first airings, y number for the repeat later in the evening, Z for Monday repeats, and oh boy, we even have N viewers who request an ondemand viewing each week, and they are the market share that is normally out on Friday nights!<p>Probably helps overall, rather than hurts, I am guessing. (or hoping!)

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    My memory is not that good, but it seems like a buncha good series on major network tv got cancelled when stuck in a Friday slot. I remember as a kid that Sunday night was a big night for the big 3, and it seems like they still put or start some of their prime stuff there. And Thursday became a big night, too.<p>Somebody with way more time than me could probably research all the shows that had critical acclaim and/or a dedicated fan following, but still got canceled because they were not pulling in mainstream viewers--and how many of those were on Friday nights.<p>My only problem with the Sunday night slot is that I wish it was an hour or two earlier. I have to make a very early start on Mondays, so I will be relegated to dvr viewing on Monday evenings, now. <p> Must Resist InvisoText until post-Monday viewings! <p>Must! <p>Should. <p>Will.<p> Probably....

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST


    by NoHubris

    That could be. Nielsen did not cut a deal to capture on-demand ratings from Comcast until Feb 2006 according to the article (from Aug 06) "Shifty Business: Nielsen Cuts New VOD Deal, Delays New Software" from Media Daily News. The article states that "NIELSEN MEDIA RESEARCH...ANNOUNCED another deal with a major cable system operator to participate in a fledgling video-on-demand reporting service, but simultaneously informed clients that a new system for measuring video-on-demand usage in Nielsen's regular TV ratings sample would be delayed for several weeks. Nielsen had originally planned to introduce new software last week that would enable its TV ratings meters to measure programming viewed via video-on-demand, but now says that software will be released on August 20."<P>To read the full article, copy the title of the article into the Google search window - without the quotes - and it should come up<P>

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    chromedome, good question

    by NoHubris

    Regarding Sunday TV, I remember it being a big night too at one time.<P>Not sure how big the followings were, but based on a quick Google search, beloved cancelled Friday night TV shows include THRESHOLD, JACK AND BOBBY, and MEDICAL INVESTIGATION.<P>Also, I used to watch FOREVER KNIGHT back in the day and that got canceled once they moved it to a new night.

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    'fraid to say it...

    by chromedome

    lest I incur the wrath of the AntiBrowncoat and WhedonHater factions...but was not Firefly on Friday nights at one time? I know Joan of Arcadia was, and think that even long ago Profitt (Proffit?) was, too. ABC did introduce both Grey's Anatomy and Desperate Housewives, Boston Legal on Sunday nights initially--I think they have moved one of them out now.... So maybe Sunday is a good move all around for SciFi--introducing Dresden Files there, and moving BSG there, too. Maybe even when Eureka comes back for season two, it will be during BSG's hiatus, and will occupy a Sunday slot. <p>SciFi Sunday<p>has a ring to it, I think...

  • Jan. 1, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Good catch, Chromedome

    by NoHubris

    Sunday has worked fine for the shows you mentioned, as well as the Sopranos, Big Love, Six Feet Under and Rome.<P>Now that you mention it, SciFi Sunday does have a nice ring to it.<P>