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UPDATED: That FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER Trailer Explodes Onto The Internets In Oh-So-Glorious QuickTime!!
Merrick here...
The first trailer for FANTASTIC FOUR 2 (actually, it's called FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER) hit theaters over the weekend.
And, it's on the Net today in all forms of glorious QuickTime.
As far as I'm concerned, the jury is still out on this movie...although I suspect it will be a bit better than the first film (not that this would take much). I do, however, like the nature of this trailer; I wish more movies would promote themselves by showing extended sequences rather than barraging us with an endless array of sub-woofered smash cutting. This approach is an agreeable throwback -- I appreciate this, Fox.
A lot of folks are gonna be ripping on the Silver Surfer as looking like the T-1000 from TERMINATOR 2. To me, the T-1000 always reminded me of the Silver Surfer...which kinda came first...so I'm not too sure how this situation/criticism can be addressed (unless one just says something snotty like "the Surfer came first, bitches!", and leaves it at that).
Of course, the CGI used to realize the chromed out, super powered, shiny dude in this preview doesn't appear to be a radical leap forward from what we got in T2 back in 1991 (at least, it doesn't seem to be from this trailer)...which will no doubt compound the controversy.
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Sooo close to 1st
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Well was he
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Thats all!!
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...let's see if they can build something solid on top of the mess that was the first one. I won't judge till I see it.
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Not gonna nitpick it unnecessarily, looks neat.
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Nice to see some actual NYC landmarks like the Chrysler Building. BTW- was the building that the Surfer "rides" down, blowing out windows, the one that's across from Bryant Park behind the library? Isn't that where Chris Reeves stopped the suction-cup cat burglar in the first SUPERMAN flick?
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No worse than most CGI I see nowadays. But, is the Human Torch actually as quick as the Silver Surfer? Don't think so. That would make for darn long intergalactic travel unless Radd can fold space. I'm still seeing this.
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Eh...it just wasn't as (how can I put it) good as the first Fantastic Four teaser. Teasers should have dramatic dialogue intercut with intense action. This just had poor CGI...intercut with poor CGI.
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as the priest. The tone of the trailer was presumptuous as hell. F4 was not a huge hit, people are not anticipating this film in any way. They opened the thing with these supposed "hero shots", like their faces are so iconic that we don't need introductions. Then the complete lack of any story, and to top it off, the fucking logo at the end. The Fantastic Four is not Superman, or Spiderman, where you can just flash an "S" and everyone immediately recognizes it. I bet a lot of people could watch this trailer and have no idea what the title actually is.
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Why god? Why did they need to destroy one of my favorite comic book heroes? Is it because I'm a woman and the fact that I love comics? That's just so not fair.
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That was a really refreshing trailor, nothing cringe-worthy, nothing out of character. Sure I wish it was directed by someone who could make epic, iconic, goose-bump inducing shots, but it sure ain't shite. I loved it, my only real complaint was the kinda bland music. Remember when the FF were COUNTING BODIES LIKE SHEEP TO THE RYTHM OF THE WAR DRUMS? That trailer rocked. The movie didn't, but that trailer did.
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... after they discover that the T-1000 is vulnerable to withering sarcasm! Apart from that, I'll bet that about 1% of the population... probably less... have any idea who the Silver Surfer is, which will make the title bewildering and incomprehensible to them.
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Instead we get this crap introducing the Silver Surfer to the movieworld. Special Effects from the 90s, hurrah! Roll on something else because this has crap labelled all over it.
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Was the first movie a flop? Somebody told me once that it made a ton of cash, and was a financial success. I don't keep track of that stuff so much anymore, so I can't say myself. It definitely wasn't a hit with the FF fans, although I thought the movie was okay at best. It should have been so much more, and could have been much much worse. I still say the Thing should have been CGI, or at least made to look bigger, like how Gandalf was made to look big when in the same room as a hobbit. Silver Surfer doesn't look too bad, and should look a lot better when the CGI is tweaked up later in post-production. I'm pretty nervous about Galactus though... how will they pull that off convincingly? Galactus can go either way in a movie, either incredibly awesome, or horribly ridiculous.
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1. SHH beat you guys AGAIN. 2. The SS looks like complete shite. It's "Revenge of the T1000" staring Robert Patrick's son. 3. Thank God Chicklis is returning as Ben - the only saving grace of the first movie. 4. Hey, Huelya, how YOU doin'? ;)
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It wasn't bad for a teaser but dear god, why would they try to do this for the second movie? They needed a better build for this. They needed the second movie to deal with something else and then at the end, have Surfer come down. He didn't look horrible though. I just don't like the eyes.
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DAMN they got the look of the Surfer exactly freakin' right.
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Not cool. Sorry but talk about bad acting and script.
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I thought the effects were rubbish but I liked that it was a scene from the film rather than the usual 'best bits' style trailer. I also thought they did a good job in realising that one of the only characters they got right in the original was the Human Torch and the whole "that was coooool" thing was completely right for the fella. The lazy way the surfer dropped down and looked back at Johnny was good too, although was Johnny wearing his FF suit when he fell to earth? Did the tux burn off? Rubber under a tux? And why does Jessica Alba have lines at the side of her mouth? What is she, 50?? She looks like Jane Fonda or something...By the way, Happy Christmas everyone!
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Very good trailer. And how can the Thing and the Human Torch be more iconic? Yes, yes, the first movie was god-awful garbage that deserves to only be played over and over to terrorists, but this trailer was actually respectable. It probably had to do with the fact that Jessica Alba didn't talk with her bullshit latina mannerisms that Sue Storm doesn't and shouldn't have.
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Unfortunately this has to follow the first movie which was garbage... Hopefully this isn't a waste of 8 bucks. Nice bunch of cgi...
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He was never shiny like that in the comics, infact he looked more like Dr. Manhattan. Oh well, don't know why I'm complaining, the first film was toss, so my hopes aren't exactly high for this one despite the possibility of having Galactacus showing up.
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well..it will be!
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First one was shite. Not fun shite, mind you, but mind-numbing oh-my-God-what-have-they-done shite. This teaser has the same asstastic special effects (seriously, the Surfer looks WORSE than T2) as the first movie, gives nothing in terms of plot or characters, and the chase itself isn't even an action scene worth getting excited about. Gimme another Spider-man 3 trailer, please.
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i'll be the first to admit the first one sucked donkey balls, but this trailer rocks. the movie itself could very well still be awful, but i see no reason for all the complaining at this point (minus the fact that we're on an aicn talkback).
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or at least it's going to stay closer to the source material.
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The second I saw the bunch of repressed fanboys on this site declaring it terrible I knew I must watch it. Yes, the first movie was questionable, but it isn't unprecedented for a sequel to be markedly better than it's predecesor. I am guardedly looking forward to this.
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Welcome to AICN. It looks good, and I will see it......and Jessica Alba is hot. That is all.
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Aside from the dubious looking CGI, I must say that this does not look bad. It couldn't be any worse than the first one. Are they actually going to try to put Galactus in this? How are they going to to pull that off?
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Dec 26, 2006 6:08:18 PM CST
Oh, and the Surfer does not look worse than the T-1000
by angry mean panda
Please stop with the hyperbolic monkey shit, you whining cunts.
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We still have 6 months before this hits, I'm POSITIVE that these are not the final effects. Once again, if you're capable of doing better, step up and prove it, if not....shaddap!!!
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or the shot composition. The problem is that the score has no engery and thus, it drains the trailer of all momentum. otherwise, nice stuff.
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in this preview. check the skin bums 23 seconds into the trailer. now compare to 25 seconds into the trailer.
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Dec 26, 2006 6:12:24 PM CST
All this bitching about the Silver Surfer is stupid
by rambo in the bronx
The silver surfer is silver...how the fuck else can you make him any different from the T1000? There's not much else to work with.
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... so he can realize just how special his Q&A was, and how well respected he is on this site.
Lighten up, kiddies. The FF trailer looked fine. Jean Grey's hair wasn't red enough... WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! -
Because it was TITS.
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... that they don't fuck up Galactus. Other than that, I thought the teaser was pretty good. Seems better than the first one, but that isn't saying too much.
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That's not a teaser, that's lazy. But I think it looked good, loved the way the Surfer moved. The first one was campy as fuck, and I think they might just nail this one. Quick question: Can Johnny survive in space without oxygen? Maybe that's why he was longer no a flame...
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That they do something that won't look completely ridiculous onscreen, like trying to transfer comic style Galactus into live action, think he'd look kinda strange with that big headpiece and purple costume. I honestly don't think that would look right.
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what is the famous fantastic four-silver surfer-galactus comic book storyline that so many people want to see on the big screen? please explain it!
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I liked the "photo" released last week. Seeing that in motion would've been way cooler. Also, I officially prefer the Ghost Rider flames over the Human Torch ones. HT doesn't look like he's on fire. He looks like a reddish-orange guy covered in fire-like energy. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Just think it'd be more visually interesting the other way. Last point... I'm sick to death of trailers breaking up shots with those quick fadeouts. They don't induce suspense. They induce frustration, and they take away from the dramatic effect.
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that was cool!!
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actualy quite good, infact i loved the look of the silver surfer wasnt to sure what i would think but i liked it, did anyone else notice on the apple hd trailer page it lists the cast and the guy who played doom in film one is listed ????
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A real taste of things to come.
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Really because the shitty 3 of the FF, was largly absent.
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And then came here to see the reaction. Just what I suspected. Negative, negative, negative. He's too silver?!? Uhhh, last I saw his name was Silver Surfer!? Jeez! Yeah, the first one was no Spiderman or X-Men, but it wasn't Elektra terrible. It was fun. I'll be there opening weekend to relax and enjoy a fun, superhero flick. God knows Spiderman 3 (which looks to blow away every movie this summer) looks intense and dark enough. This flick will lighten the mood. Then I'll be checking out Transformers also. You guys be bitter if you want. I for one, plan to enjoy these flicks without any baggage attached. P.S. I also plan to see Ghost Rider this February, so sue me...
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.........err yes it was!
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Dr. Doom will not be in the film. The actor who played him, however, will have a prominent part in the movie playing Carnage Grossman.
Carnage Grossman will be a sophistaced businessman who was formerly Carnage (of the Spider Man comics). Carnge Grossman will have a wife and 2 kids and a job selling insurance premiums.
Carnage Grossman's backstory will be explained in next year's independent film 'Spider Hey', which will come out several months after Spider Man 3 hits theatres.
This time around, Spider Man will be played by veteran comic actor and stand up genius Bob Newhart. He'll also be playing the part of Mary Jane, but in obvious drag, to convey a sense style the regular film series lacks. This movie will be considered part of a new trilogy:
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Spider Elbow
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I haven't seen the first movie since it looked like crap but this trailer looks somewhat decent... Has the Tom Rothman bitching already started?
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even the coolest trailer in the universe couldn't persuade me to watch this after that shitfest, that was the first one.
On the other hand, if Mori, Quint, Vern or Massawyrm actually give this a good review, I might reconsider.
Not Harry though. He lost all his sequel-reviewing credibility after that review of "The Mummy returns". -
But if the filmmakers assume from the start of the film that the characters in the film have somehow earned the sympathies of the moviegoing audience through the first film and that they've earned they're place in the staple of beloved comic book characters on the big screen (and if they do cute throwaway references to the first film as a result of it), I think they're dead-wrong... The first movie is one of the worst comic book movies and attempted franchise-starters I've ever seen. They'll be forced to give us a decent screenplay to begin with. But I guess it works for twelve-year-olds.
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Brian Posehn is conducting the wedding?! Are you kidding me??? And how ludicrous is it that the Surfer shows up right overhead and in sight of the wedding?! Come on! But lets not even mention the fact that the beginning of this trailer is an exact rip-off of the "Transformers" teaser opening. Did that opening shot look familiar to you, too?The first movie was goofball shite. Looks like you're about to receive a second helping.
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....and more to the point I've never really been much of a Silver surfer fan. But could someone please explain to me what the logic behind the surfboard is? I mean aside from the fact that it ostensibly makes him look cool in a "dude" or 'surf's up' kind of way. But from a comicbook sci-fi perspective, what is the purpose of it? The fact that he's silver can be explained away by his being an alien ( which makes the surfer angle even more ludicrous), as can his powers; but what purpose does the board serve? Does it give him power? Is it what he uses to fly with and if so why a water-based device, why not a hang-glider or a jet-pack-like thingie or something? It's just that the surfboard makes no sense whatsoever in the context of a flying Superhero and more so one who flies in space to boot. It's almost like having a superduper fast flying superhero......in a deep sea diving suit complete with the weighted leaded boots; or a deep sea hero like Namor or something, having an underwater parachute or hang-glider as his insignia or something. Admittedly that's not as cool as the "radical gnarly dude" surf's up -guy image, but the reasoning still applies. Anyways, I don't read the comics so I was only curious; there's probably a well-thought out answer in the comics (like maybe his home-world is full of radical surfer-dudes, and the surf board is their calling card), but I'm pretty certain this question will come up quite a bit next year when the movie is released and non-geeks wonder why. Oh, and the trailer was pretty decent, despite all the obligatory AICN fanboy whinertories .....
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They better do Galactus ala G1 or else this piece of comic book garbage is a complete FU to the fans.(Sound familiar?)
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thats fucking funny shit if it were true it would probly be better than the ff2 but since it aint we will have to settle for this or the michael bay fuckup that will be TRANSFORMERS
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He's been chrome since I bought FF 48 on the stands. Look at the cover of FF 50 or even SS1.
The 1st FF Movie was just OK. Changeing the origin of Doom was a sin. But the last battle was pretty good. Let's hope they get this one right.
But I have to agree, jumping from FF1 origin to FF 48 is kinda....
They could maybe have done a Mole Man film or Even the Red Ghost and set-up an intro of The Watcher.
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Certainly better than Spider-man 2 and most of the other overated comic films. It had a fun energetic style and the chemistry between the cast was quite impressive. It would'nt surprise me to see the FF films become the most consistantly sastisfying of the marvel films. All you haters are really "strecthing" when you proclaim this a dissapointment.
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...hates superhero / comic book movies? Anyone else out there? Alright, the first half of Batman Begins really had my attention. But I guess that was the exception for me. And I end up actually watching these...ok, not in the theater, but as a casual dvd rental. When will I learn!
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Alex Ross, people. Go dig up your copy of Marvels.
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Was he silver? Yes. Did he surf? Yes. I don't really see a problem.
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Sorry, not sending you a copy lol. Just commenting, now that grading/slabbing books is so in vogue, FF #48 isn't "worth" anything anymore unless its an 8.5 or above.
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opening shot- earth from space. fireball rockets down.
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It doesn't HAVE A PURPOSE...it was drawn by JACK KIRBY because he liked it that way!! It came out in 1966!
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Dec 26, 2006 6:52:33 PM CST
The main question is: will DOOM steal the Power Cosmic?
by carmillavondoom
What other reason is there for SS in this movie, you know Galactus won't be anywhere near this movie. If they have to show him, it will be a shadowy head/shoulders that is barely visible and looming over everything.
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CG FX in compressed trailers always looks shit. Everyone stop acting like you just discovered the internet this morning. Surfer looked surprisingly good (yep, even with pupils), though I'm curious why they chose to show what is surely a big chase scene from the film as a teaser trailer?
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It happens to all comic book films, just give it a month or two. People are starting to hate Batman Begins. No comic book film will ever be good enough for realm of fanboyish geeks (yet they're always first in line when the film opens). Now, if I can just figure out why you people have made comic book based films the biggest and most profitable genre on the planet right now, oh yeah, because you talk shit and never back it up by staying home when they're released. And that will continue with Spider-Man 3, Wolverine, The Dark Knight and maybe even Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk. Hollywood is having the last laugh by taking your money while you bitch like babies, idiots.
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I wasn't complaining about it. I was just curious that's all. I actually also think it looks pretty cool as he's flying (or is it surfing) on it, particularly as they showed in that trailer. I just thought that maybe here was a specific reason (as relates to his powers) why he had it, that I didn't know of and just wanted to know what it was. Anyway, if the only reason for it to be there is to make him look cool, then that's also alright with me. I was just curious that's all.
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Johnny is in HIGH orbit at the end of this clip. Can he in live in Outer Space? I know they did this in S4 Quest for peace but it was dumb then and looks dumb now ( unless one of JS powers is space travel without a suit) Glad I didn't pay $8 to see this lol
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Uh, well.. geez. I really don't know how to respond to that statement MST3KPIMP. I mean, the statement is so outlandish, my sarcasm circuits are overloaded. I really can't think of a response scathing enough, without resorting to calling you names, which is the last resort of the dimwitted. So...I guess i'll have to let you go on that one. Man. Crap. Still nothing.
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Marvel's version of Joel Schumacher. Thanks for making the Subpar Surfer. People there is a difference between SILVER and CHROME. Silver is softer and has a lustrous white tone. Chrome has more reflectivity and less opaque, it has more of the mirror finish. And the Surfer would move with more grace, mo cap performers who would blend the movements of a modern dance, surfing, skateboarding, capoera, wushu and tai chi then add Kirby to the mix.
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Whether this is true or not, I still got a laugh out of it. Anyways, I wasn't even remotely persuaded to see the first one (wasn't a fan of the comics, so I couldn't work myself into a fangirl rage by seeing it, plus it looked like a piece of shit) but for a teaser, this one did a pretty good job of convincing me to be interested. I liked the way the Surfer flipped over upside-down to check out Johnny. He looked like pure badassery. So, if the real trailer is as cool as this one, I might actually see it.
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read it looooong time ago but remember the surfer showing up and seeming android like. The character was given added dimeneions,angst, personality, etc after the fact and it was a great illustration of the way comic book soap opera style led to the development of great chatacters. You intro a character who is mysterious and you have no back story really except he's the herald of a bad guy. then when the herald turns out to be real cool you have to cook up a reason why a hero would've been in that situation. herald to a planet eater? Why would you do that? lesseee, maybe he cut a deal to save his own planet, etc, etc. why would he back out on that deal and risk even more. Pretty blend girl makes him see people of earth should be saved. next thing you know you've got an all-powerful soul-searching anti-hero. Writng backwards to explain how you got where you are and writing yourself out of a corner to justify what you're already married, on top of writing sideways to cover what the artist did that you haven't expected. And doing it all so you can move forward with a great character and expand him. One of the many reasons why the soap-operatic sci-fi of the 60s era marvels led to so many good characters.
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Very exciting teaser, looked terrific in 720p HD. It looks fun, as was the first movie. Wish Superman Returns had the same spark in its flying sequences. BTW, raise your hand if you can honestly say the Spidey 3 trailer has better CGI.
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I thought it was dead on. The surfer was a shiney metal. He wasnt THE DULL GRAY SURFER... I had to look up the flying through dense matter part...but that turned out to be accurate as well. I enjoyed the first and the only part im worried about is jacking up Galactus! And all I have to say is HE COULD HAVE HAD RED FLAMES !!! THIS MOVIE IS ON THE RIGHT TRACK NOW SHOW ME THE PURPLE PLANET EATER !
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They completely changed the look and story of Silver Surfer and added a bunch of ridiculous spikes. Wait a minute that was Transformers that did that. Fuck this movie, where they are trying to make the characters look like their previous incarnations...
Remember when all we had to bitch about was a small brow on Thing and not a complete and ridiculous destruction of a franchise ala Transformers? The good old days.
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I can't wait to see talkbacks peppered with "TOO SILVER!" all over this site for the next few weeks.
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when you lot download a quicktime teaser trailer 6 months before they even finish working on the thing, and have the balls to say the effects work looks rubbish. AND the 2 effects characters in that trailer are so fantastic that you have absolutly no frame of reference for what they look like. you dont know what a person who can ignite his own aura would look like, and to me they've got it pretty much perfect. the surfers reflections arent final, thats obvious, building hdri maps for the reflection passes is a long and awkward job, especially on a caracter thats going to need them in every single frame at close to 100% reflection. would have been easier to make the whole movie in cg.
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...the first FF wasn't good. Wasn't nearly the worst wuperhero movie the last couple years have spit out, but they did Doom almost as poorly as possible, Reed and Sue weren't close to right, Thing was off, though not as much, and the second act was so poorly constructed that you could actually watch it leaking. All that said, that one guy in the trailer? The silver one? That looked like the Silver Surfer. No, really, it did. I watched it again just now. Yeah, if you're complaining about him being too silver, not silver enough, or too chrome there's something wrong with you. Seriously. My kids, who are both on the south side of ten, like the first one, which I imagine I would have if I was on the south side of ten, too. So I showed them the trailer. They want to see this one too. That's the way the first one made more than 150 million domestic and more than 300 million worldwide. And yeah, you can probably play your trailer like everyone should know who the characters are when you do those kind of numbers. Now like them, that may be another story.
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Hmm? That trailer was actually better than the entire first movie, but then again the best thing about the first movie was looking at Jessica Alba.
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Loved when the Surfer is being chased by Johnny and he's literally flying circles around him, changing levels, tilting and angling the board around, showing how much faster he is. What perfect balance! The part when the Surfer turns and faces Johnny as they head toward an unfinished skyscraper was cool. The Surfer jumps up and he leaves the board. The board weaves through the building's steel girders and then the Surfer gracefully lands back on the board as it exits the other side. Johnny almost kills himself trying to follow along. The Surfer uses his hand blasts to distract Johnny, sending cars up in the air with small bursts of Kirby crackle. They enter the tunnel, and the Surfer spirals through it using his momentum, he even runs his fingertips over the concrete tunnel walls like a real surfer would inside a wave...great touch. oh wait... that was what a little effort would have added to the trailer... never mind...
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is a priest?
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Kirby would be proud. I’m sold.
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at NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM. This was by far the one that came off best on the big screen. But maybe that's because I did not see it in Quicktime first. And the Transformers actually looked WORSE on the big screen.
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So, okay, that doesn't mean the movie will be any good, but this is more dynamic that ANYTHING in the first movie, so it's a really good sign. Plus the surfer looks awesome and that charming Robert Patrick way.
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#1- What is good CGI? Because everyone always complains about CGI and compares it to bad CGI but no one ever mentions an example of good CGI.
#2- What exactly do you expect the Silver Surfer to look like? He is a naked silver guy on a surfboard. It is quite possibly the least complicated character design in the history of comic books. They did not screw up his look because it is literally impossible to screw it up. If he is shiny, on a surfboard, and naked, they pretty much nailed it.
#3- Has anyone entertained the idea that this is called "Rise of the Silver Surfer" because it is the Silver Surfer introduction that would partly be its own movie, with Doom trying to steal the power cosmic or something (that had better be his scheme because otherwise he shouldn't be in the movie), but also a prequel to Galactus? Like Batman Begins ended with the "got a flair for the theatrics" line and then the Joker card, this one could build up the mystery of this silver guy until it is revealed at the climax and then Reed goes, "We can stop him," and somebody else goes, "too late," and a shadow falls over them all. Or something. Just a suggestion. -
Dec 26, 2006 8:07:05 PM CST
that was fucking cool and some of you need to stop yer
by jeanluc dickhard
BITCHING
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Liked it better when it was called, "T2".
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I really didn't like the first movie but this trailer just earned 30 bucks (I live in Japan) from me on opening day.
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Nobody has expressed any happiness that the Surfer was introduced the same way as in the comics (I think, I never read the original issues, I just saw it when I read Marvels) with Johnny Storm chasing him. Also the first one was not a complete loss. Maybe it did not have the geek backing, but, get this, normal people liked it. Yeah. Normal people liked a comic book movie. Swear to God. My sister, she's normal. She's one of the popular kids. And she liked it. It's almost like they are making these movies for a mass audience or something, not just geeks who hate it if their favorite characters are changed just a little bit.
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...himself out of a paper bag.
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You little kids are funny. All the T-1000 talk? Maybe it was just me, but when I first saw the T-1000 I thought, "Ha! He looks like the Silver Surfer!", And now it's the other way around? Cameron completely bit the Surfer's look and you all know it. From the looks of this teaser we can assume one of two things. Either they just showed us the best part of the movie, or there's alot more thats alot better to come. Everyone that clicked on this page is going to go see this so stop fronting like your not. Fuckin' talkback-posers. EXCELSIOR BITCHES!
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So you're both saying that the effects in this trailer are unfinished? Why in the hell would Fox not have finished effects in a trailer? There isn't one logical reason. I heard the same exact thing about THE HULK and THE MATRIX RELOADED when the trailers were released. Talkbackers were saying that "these are unfinished effects" to try and make excuses for the fact that the F/X looked rubbish. The cartoon-like CGI that I saw in the trailers for THE HULK and THE MATRIX RELOADED is the same cartoon-like CGI I saw in the finished films. FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER will be no different.
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In the comics weren't there superheroes all over the place. Maybe we could just get Tobey Maguire snapping a picture or Ben Affleck and Nicholas Cage and Robert Downey Jr in the audience.
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So I assume that your still going to see this even though you know the CGI will be the same....
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...fucking know-nothing whiner wannabes! All of you! Well, most of you. Let me get this straight - the world FINALLY gets a filmic Silver Surfer (a seemingly impossible character to shoe-horn into an American studio film), and all you morons wanna do is nitpick the CG? Oh yeah - like you all are a bunch of experts. Good Christ - try relaxing and enjoying somehting for once in your life you bunch of useless dumbfucks. Man, I'm done with the lot of you - may you all choke on your own bile. I'm out. Permanently.
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What? Was the surfer supposed to be "off-silver" or maybe "pewter?" Come ON people...if he WASN'T shiny, you'd be complaining that he was too GREY.
Where is the site for people who actually LIKE movies? I haven't seen a talkback on here in forever that wasn't loaded with over-the-top negatvity.
Seriously, if going to a movie even presents a remote chance of the experiences you describe (rape your childhood, fucked you with barbed wire, makes your eyes bleed, makes you puke for 2 hours, etc), the why are you STUPID enough to continue to go to movies on the off chance that one might be ALMOST decent enough not to hurt you--too much.
The way you describe it, its like playing russian roulette with 5 bullets instead of one, and pointing the gun where it will hurt the most. The best you get out of a movie is a lot of tension and and empty click, and that's only 1 time in 6.
Why not go make your OWN movie rather than see other people's when you clearly can't stand any of them.
Its Fantastic Four, not Citizen Kane. Its just a fun movie, and I don't think anyone is thinking oscars for this one. So lighten up and enjoy it, or just ignore it.
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If done right, you never know, it could be better than Spider-Man 3.
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Wouldn't that be the shite if Downey showed up to give congats to Reed! You know Richards would atleast have to be friends with Stark. I hope they do throw in a few surprises (doubt it though)
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Blah blah blah. The Silver Surfer looked like he was silver in the trailer. The T-1000 was silver in T2. How many tones of shiney silver are there? Seriously. Silver Surfer looks fine.
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I dug the first one. It was silly. I thought that was the point. This one looks much better.
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You do realize sarcasm when you read it, right?And Jellylover - I will not pay money to see this sequel to a substandard "superhero movie". Silver Surfer or Rusty Surfer, it makes no difference to me.
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Seriously!
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finally a comment worth responding to :) yeah, i thought about that too. Three things that can kill a guy exposed to the vacuum of space: 1. the general lack of oxygen (which is the least of their problems) 2. the general lack of air pressure (yeah, holding your breath only speeds up the time before you simultaneously implode and explode) 3. the extreme temperatures -- likely to either be too hot or too cold, and never just right for a human. #3 shouldn't be a problem for Mr. Storm, but the others should be... But on second viewing, you can't tell exactly high above the earth he is -- he could still be in the upper levels of atmosphere i think. one thing is clear, he's high enough that oxygen is definitely practically non-existent and his fire won't work -- and he's essentially falling back to the earth dying. So he clearly wasn't "breathing." So it's really just the pressure thing that'll require some suspension of disbelief, and considering what the movie is about, well... that's easy thing to suspend.
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aND YOUr hUbby mICHAEL ray bAY
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Lame. First movie was lame. This one, too. Surfer creators, slit your throats. You don't get it.
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work BEING worked on til release date.
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Nope, will not see this. I have not even seen the first one. Nor will I ever see the first one or this one. I'm annoyed with all the latest superhero movies. I have only liked Batman Begins and a luke warm enjoyment of Spiderman 1 & 2. I am just bored.
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how do you make something that doesn't exist in real life, no one has ever seen before, and probably isn't even physically possible, look "realistic?" it's a rhetorical question.
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Seriously I think it is just to look 'cool' sixties style. :^)
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That was a fun trailer with some neat gimmicks. It's probably the thing I've liked most from the whole cinematic FF so far.
But...shouldn't this just plain look better from a character perspective? Reed's gray hair looks fake and painted on, and the CGI work is just bad. It's been a lot of years since T2--why should CGI figures still look this stuff and awkward? I can understand the Surfer looking shiny, but why should he look like liquid metal, doing all the watery/melting stuff? It's such a cliche and makes this look out of date. I'm not complaining from a purist perspective, necessarily--I just think this looks kind of cheap and corner-cutting. the radical, swooping camera angles are nice and all, but every time I see a character, the whole thing starts to feel a bit stupid. I'd like to see this done better. -
was excellent. Too weird to last more than 13 episodes, but still cool. I imagine little kids sitting there watching that 90's SS series thinking "What the fuck is going on?". I bought a bootleg set on Ebay years ago. One of the most mature Marvel animated shows ever produced.
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Yes, Fox, if you know a good pairing when you see it!
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It reminds me of Reboot, which was low budget and done in 1995. Pretty unexciting trailer, I can understand their approach but I haven't seen the first one and this doesn't make me want to see either of them.
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He'd be perfect!
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He stole the words right out of my mouth.
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Just curious ?
cause i don't believe i ever hear these cg whiners say ANY CG is good.
It's not an AICN talkback if someone actually thinks the effects are good. Think back 20 years.think about it. we are spoiled. nothing impresses anymore.
granted this movie may be just as bad as Fantastic 4 , but watch the Damn movie , not scrutinize the Effects to the point of Bias towards the whole. if you stop focusing on every effect you might actually immerse yourself into the point of the Film....The story!
that is if this film has a story. that's more important than comparing it to T2 or whatever.
put down the microscope
What a novel idea.
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As for bad CGI? Get a new fucking cliche, people! Go look at mid to late nineties. Today's CGI is leaps and bounds beyond that, especially in this sequence. I think most of the kids going "bad CGI" are too young to remember what "bad optical effects" look like. Truth is, there is a such a thing as relaxing and suspending disbelief. As for Fantastic Four? It was pretty mediocre. Hopefully they'll get the picture that they need to take a better approach with this one.
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FF1 was fairly notorious for having bad effects work... mainly if you ask me on the fully animated characters (no to mention Dr Doom not exactly coming off the pages). looks like the same problems here... big fan of Horatio there but looks like he picked the wrong series... loved Silver Surfer comics growing up, hopefully this flick does not put a nail in the character
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But this trailer was awesome. Still, I hold my breath. Awesome fx don't translate to good movie. But, if the next trailer is as good as this one I may actually go see FF2 come next summer. And considering how much I hated the first movie, that's saying a lot.
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I didn't see that in comics,oh well hope it works in the film.That was a good trailer though,I enjoyed that.Human Torch is in trouble,I hope Mr Fanastic catches him with his stretchy arms.The wedding scene would of looked better like this........http://tinyurl.com/ykja99,the trailer one was too realistic,bring the everyday crossover through into all Marvel films in a James Bond beginning style,its nearly 2007 and we still have no crossovers!!!!!!
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notice how Jessica Alba looked like a fucking horse in this trailer?
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I blame the grammer police
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But didn't they do motion capture of an actor for this? If that's the case, how can some of us be complaining that it looks too stiff and not life-like? Outside of a delirious fever dream and/or our private fantasies, this is the most accurate version of a shiny naked alien surfer from outer space we can hope to get.
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All you fanboys should get together and have a circle jerk. At least then you would have someone else touch your weenies for a change.
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I thought it was a joke.
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And cheats on the Invisible Woman.
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Woohaaaaa!!!
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He's so defensive towards his precious Fantastic Four franchise. Geek alert! baahaha! Did your basement get flooded again? Tell your mommy to call a plumber, haha!
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the trailer is actually ok. kind of exciting.
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!
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the first trailer. I liked how the SS fell through his surf board. Seeing as the board is a part of him it kinda makes sense that he could do this, interesting idea. I especially liked his moving through solid matter, another neat idea. The chase was fun to watch, and everyone moved at a very fast pace, and the trailer leaves you wanting to know what happens to the Human Torch. My Negatives? I really can't get over the guy playing as Mr. Fantastic. He just doesn't look like Reed Richards at all. And I especially don't get that feeling from him. Jessica Alba really didn't do anything for me either. The Thing looked alright, at least he was in character. But the dialouge was okay but the acting wasn't. It wasn't delivered naturally, it felt like they were actually "acting" it, like they had to repeat those lines several hundred times to get it right. All in all, decent trailer, better then the first one.
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Answer to :BranMakMorn
"Silver is softer and has a lustrous white tone. Chrome has more reflectivity and less opaque, it has more of the mirror finish."
Chrome and Silver are both opaque. Period. And if you polish silver, it looks just like chrome. You're mixing up silver or chrome that people take a burnish wheel too.
My father is a jeweler in his later years now, but he's a registered Diamond Cutter, that there are very few of in the US. I grew up around jewelry and know both silver and chrome are opaque.
Either item polished is fully reflective, and either etched or burnished on a wheel are flat..
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I know he's the "Silver Surfer", but, for God's sake...It's a flying T-1000 on a surfboard. I mean, COME ON. *head on desk*
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"Bend over if you want to live."
"Jesus, you were gonna fuck that guy!" "Of course. I'm a Sperminator." "You just can't go around fucking people!" Ah, the memories. Thanks, Fox and Marvel for the blast from the past!! -
I really like the part where Silver Surfer totally kills the Human Torch and leaves his lifeless body in the cold vacuum of space... Whoa! Wait a minute!
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but then again, the only thing good about the first one was johnny storm.
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Okay, before I go off on "glorious Quicktime" could someone please tell me if there's a way to make an embedded QT movie/trailer go fullscreen from my browser?
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I also love the fact that there are barely 8 words in this thing, and yet someone up there is bitching about how bad the acting and script are. Genius.
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.... looks like Cosmic CRAP. The Surfer looks too thin and too T2. What's troubling is that we're not used to seeing him as something "reflective". I'll stick to the comics.
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he seems like a villan in this. idk im not much of a fan.
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You're actually kind of funny, but going on the way you do is only going to get you banned. Just take it down a few notches and try not to have yourself in every other post and you'll be around for a long while.
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the herald of Galactus, a world eating Demi-god. The surfer would scout out planets and Galactus would come and devour them. He shortly thereafter turned on Galactus and bnecame a hero. As for the trailer, I dunno, I thinkt he first one did absolutely everythingw rong, in fact if you ahve a love for the Fantastic Four you cannot deny that. I mean for Christ sake they ruined arguably the best villain in comics, for that alone the movie sucks. But the prospect of seeing Galactus on screen may make me break my rule of not seeing an comic movie that seems to be bastardizing the comics. The question is what will they do to the story and how will Galactus figure in?
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The Surfer's all wrong. Where's the surfing? He's flying the whole time! When's he even get CLOSES to water? Cripes. BTW, in FF1, molten Doom at the end looked like the Surfer in this trailer. I wonder if that was foreshadowing.
Now, would you all stop typing like you think you've just come up with a new thought? 80% of this talkback is one fuck repeating another.
And finally BranMakMorn and ShiniGamiSan, opaque = not transparent. OF COURSE chrome and silver are opaque. Jeez. -
Sorry BSB, but Stoopider's making me laugh. Just don't get banned you silly guy, you.
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calm the f down. All I'm saying is its going to take some time to get used to him being reflective. I think its a mistake on the filmmakers part to do so (wish they just made him a solid silver-ish white)
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The dialog was terrible...
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That's who I really want to see.
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what the hell is wrong with you. At least you were somewhat civil in the last post.
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in every talkback
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How else is the Silver Surfer supposed to look? Every drawing, every statue, every toy, every anything that has the SS in it shows him being shiny silver. What do you guys want him to look like, brushed aluminum? He has to be shiny/reflective and T2 was beaten to this design by decades.
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just makes me laugh. How did this guy land this gig?! Studio Exec: "You know what film really had me on the edge of my seat? "Taxi"! Let's put him in charge of a major franchise!"
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but at the last minute he'll flame on before hitting the ground- I'll still be thinking how can he breathe in space ? at that point in the movie. How high up are they? , you can now see from the photo Merrick posted at the top here that they are in space. As to the bitchin' about the look of the movie I'll take a good story that stays smart over perfect FXs anyday.
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The Thing's cracks are a lot better defined this time around, he's actually developing very similarly to how he did in the comics. He started off as kind of cookie dough looking and gradually became a rock monster.
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On one hand, the surfer does look just like the Robert Patrick liquid metal terminator. On the other hand, what else could the surfer look like..? a silver shiny man is a silver shiny man.
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The comics/cartoon mostly leaned toward a white base. Just used to that I guess.
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wasting my time on this site stooopider
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Its such a shame. I don't recall Byrne or the others who laid the foundation of the Marvel Cosmic universe making the surfer into a phasing kitty pryde knockoff. Not to mention, THOSE EYES. That ripped it for me. Hopfully, they ain't done tweakin with Radd. Come June, just to sit through it, I'm gonna need two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers... Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. All that, because I'd have to be Gonzo Bat Shit over the Fucking Rainbow to miss this fucking fucked up abortion clinic train wreck waiting to happen. Oh and by the way, ROCKY KICKED ASS.
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The Chrome Surfer? That doesn't look much like Silver, but I've previously seen CG-based or enhanced comic art of the Surfer that looked chrome but cool. Kirby's Silver Surfer was...well, white. Yes, you definitely get that T-1000 thought in your mind from seeing the trailer. It's not just the look that really screams that. It's the morph-phases through objects and the actual sound effect used for it. It sounds liquidy. The shapes of these morph-phases have a fluid quality. So combine that with a slick chrome body, and it is basically a detail-less, streamline, liquid metal T-1000 (just a little more muscle defined than the T-1000 shape vacating the semi wreckage in T2 before it begins to morph). If the T-1000 character was never conceived or acheived in T2, then none of us would have a second thought about this Silver Surfer's look. I love how he morph-phased through his surf board. Any comic geek would speculate he never did that in the comics, but then again it wouldn't look so cool as a still image. But when you have the Surfer start morph-phasing through other solid objects, it becomes a new power made up for the movie ala Superman II...and not just a new ability of his surf board. I could do without the phasing through other solid objects. Fuck it. Have the Surfer crash through the whole skyscraper without showing any resistance to the objects he's passing through. Have the still and statuesque moving Surfer punch-out/pulverize a cookie cutter Surfer shape in the glass leaving cracks all around it instead of just having the glass shatter. This phasing has been seen too many times in the X-men movies to seem like a needed new power to give the Surfer. But the movie is practically finished, so it's too late now. The Surfer still did look a LOT cooler than what I imagined from reports of a silver prosthetic costume. To all the haters of CG, I think it works much better for this type of character where he's ALL CG (over the actor's image). Where CG replacement sucks is like Superman Returns where you can clearly tell it's not Brandon Routh. It just doesn't look real, and because the character happens to be Superman, the CG Supes reminds me of the Black & White Superman serials where they suddenly overlappped an obviously animated Superman for any flying. I've gotten way off the subject, but anyhow an all CG all-the-time character sometimes looks better than switching between real & CG back and forth, especially with humanoid characters. Best and early example of the opposite being true is Jurassic park. Sometimes it's a giant robotic T-rex. Sometimes it's CG. They both look terrific and there's seamless transition. Same thing with Mighty Joe Young. Both of those successful examples were for non-human characters. But when you go from real guy to CG stuntman, it's always obvious. Another great example of terrible transition is the Elf character jumping up on the elephants in Return of the King. The CG character is identical to Orlando Bloom until you see it moving. It's those human subtleties of movement with each muscle group and the eyes (CG human eye movement sucks). A best example of CG stuntman working for the shot is Doc Ock sinking to the bay floor and staring into the camera. Why can't we readily tell that's a CGI Alfred Molina? Because it barely moves and the eyes stare vacantly without movement. That and you don't have to try and replicate glassy human eyes because the shot is underwater. It's the fake movement that ruins a CG double. Making the Silver Surfer's eyes look inhuman aids in removing our frame of reference that would otherwise make his eyes look extra CGI fake. Maybe they tested glowing and/or white CGI eyes, and it just screamed Storm, or even looked a little too Evil Dead. My guess is they wanted eye detail to allow more subtle emotion to be evoked in the acting. Same reason Spider-man keeps losing or tearing up his mask every movie. Whatever! I was worried about the Silver Surfer's eyes, and so far I don't mind them. Peace out. www.partymidgets.net
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I meant CLOSE not CLOSES. Frak. Another good joke down the tubes on account of a typo. Sweet Aunt Petunia. Wait, no, I meant TUBES not TUBE! Oh wait, no, that's what I said. Whew!
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I haven't read the origin of the Silver Surfer in the FF comics but isn't the shiney one a good guy? This film makes him out to be a villian. Was he sketchy in the first few comics? If so, then is the movie being faithful to his origin?
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Great points. I very much agree with you.
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The Surfer didn't really know the difference between the two at first. He worked for Galatus, then didn't... kept going back and forth. He was never evil though... just confused.
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orgins of SS and explained the villan/good guy thing
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Do werewolves in the Marvel Universe fear the Surfer? Do they believe he's made of actual silver? Or do they believe he's merely silver-like chrome?
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Joey_Redballs, you're clueless.
He was chrome in FF 48, 49, 50 etc.
And if you have any doubts, look at New Gods Kirby DC series.
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They shadowed him with some blacks and mild blues. Just look at the friggin' drawings!
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damn you beat me to it
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Anyone who's pissed off that this Surfer looks like something out of T-2... stand up and fight! We've changed the course of films before and we can do it again! Don't let this hack ruin our beloved heroes! Let's make'em change it back to the original Kirby design! (in my best Ash voice) Who's with me?!
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It says in the Marvel Encyclopedia that the Silver Surfer can "channel cosmic energy to augment strength, heal others, and restructure matter." So there you have it boys and girls, phasing through solid matter is Silver Surfer canon even if he's never actually done it in the comics. (and I have no idea if he's ever actually done it or not)
He's white? LMFAO, how exactly were they going to depict silver/chrome in those ancient comics if not for white with highlights? He's called the SILVER Surfer you geniuses. -
I post something and it takes forever and then it comes up so much farther down and I look like an idiot commenting on something else. I give up
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I love comics, but I'm not a Silver Surfer expert either. From what I think is accurate, Silver Surfer was originally bad in his first FF storyline. He was the herald of Galactus. He didn't want to be. He was made to be. And that's the storyline of this movie. Silver Surfer will be discarded or something by Galactus in exchange for a new herald...this time Galactus wants Sue Storm-Reed to be his new herald. I believe her powers are going to get turbo-charded (for the lack of a better term) by the power cosmic which Surfer was also enhanced by. I guess Surfer has a lot of residual power leftover from his herald-ing days, but I don't know if that will be the same explanation or him in this movie...or for that matter, will Sue Storm-Reed retain enhanced powers post-herald status? Or will they just reveal Sue is more powerful than she had previously known in the first movie. Who knows? We'll have to see the movie. Check wikipedia.org (not always accurate) for more Surfer comic character info and Marvel.com (not always easy to search and not always thorough in their online character bios...Reader's Digest versions only). Peace. www.partymidgets.net
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http://collectibleshop.tripod.com/silver -surfer-50.jpg - erase the space after silver in the link.
The above picture is an image of the 50th issue of The Silver Surfer comicbook complete with chrome all over the image of the Surfer. He's chrome, he reflects, it's Marvel canon, deal with it.
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Oh, I'm so ashamed that my visual interpretation of the Kirby art was different! I'm so ashamed I'm not the definitive Silver Surfer expert you are. I'm so ashamed I'm not a virgin. I'm so ashamed I don't live with my parents. Please pardon my faux paus. I must leave this Talkback now and commit suicide! What method do you suggest oh wise one? Please be creative so I may ROTFL like I made you ROTFL.
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I mean he's SILVER. i don't get it. what else is he to look like then? should he have Pimples? would that make him look more real? maybe if he had a Mustache then?
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Glad they seemed to realize Johnny was pretty much the saving grace of the first one; also really loved the last two shots, with him falling. Looked like it has potential.
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OH MY GOD! Use your control of the internet to look up the original Kirby design. The fucker is WHITE. Go to You Tube. Look up the cartoon. He's WHITE. End of story.
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see above comment for ShiniGamiSan. Hairy Nutsack, won't you please lick my hairy nutsack? P.S. Thank you for stating the obvious! You're a gentleman and a scholar...of deez nuts. REDBALLS-OUT!
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was better than the entire first film by itself.
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Was he buried somewhere or does he gain authority over others by taking office? Titles are too misleading these days.
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....for adding such intelligent responses to this conversation. I'll bet you got an A in debate class.
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The theater I was in burst into laughter when that title came up during the preview.
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...which is to say, terrible.
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Personally, I think that it'd look a lot cooler if he was more of a metallic white, almost like white gold, a little glowing, some sense of the cosmic energy. A little more alien, a little more angelic. This rendition doesn't look exotic or otherworldly at all. It looks like they clicked a mouse and stuck Chrome #5 on the CGI for Green Goblin. And whether they mapped it to an actor or not, it looks stiff and awkward in its movements, and that distracts me from getting lost in the storyline. As for good effects--LOTR and Hellboy didn't distract me with breakdowns in the effects, so there's no excuse for it here. No matter how much I mildly enjoy seeing this kind of stuff brought to cinematic life, I can't avoid coming to the conclusion that this is just plain ordinary, mundane. It should be exciting. Instead it's a shiny mannequin and liquid metal/rippling water effects that were cliched years ago. Blech.
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Kirby always drew SS using his signature stylized chrome effect, so that's the way that I always pictured him... you know, chromey. Now I wanna see Galactus... and I pray that they fix Doom. The movie version was laughable, the comic book version always kinda scared me when I was a kid.
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stumbling up the stairway to heaven. Or falling down the stairs to hell, depending on how you thought of him. And that Thing costume looked terrible.
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stooopider - holy shit, that response was hilarious! (I'm serious - it's difficult to express tone in talk back) your last comment was classic AICN talkback. Joey_Redballs - thanks for the info; I thought that must be it but, again, haven't read the original FF issues. I really love the FF as well as the SS. I thought all of those characters rocked in the Infinity Gauntlet series.
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The first semi-photo-realistic CGI could only render textures. 'The Abyss', also a Cameron film, was a breakthrough in CGI with its water creature. T2 did the same with a metal creature. These were just textures and that was all they could do at the time, before Jurassic Park kicked everyone's ass in 1993 with CGI animals.
So The Silver Surfer is also all metal who, like the T-1000, is malleable... well, how should it look? Guys on fire, guys made of rock and guys made of air are also going to be repeated a few times in film.
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SS is supposed to be one of the fastest flying superheros in all of Marvel. Yet Johnny has no problem keeping up with him. Fuck this movie.
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Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Surfer pulling Johhny into space a direct lift from the books?
I really don't get it, I totally understand why people dislike the changes with Transformers, I'm one of them, but this looks spot on Silver Surfer to me. Complain about Alba, but for crissakes at least acknowledge they got Surfer right. I absolutely hate the first FF movie but I have to admit this scene at least looks great. I mean even the scene on the bridge in FF1 looked great, just like the airplane scene in Supes Returns looked great even if both scenes were surrounded by mediocre movies. -
I often times do not find useful to complain about logic in an imaginary universe. (but look at this talkback)
But if a director (Tim Story in this case) takes the time to humor fans well you at least expect him to respect the bare minimum of logic he has set in his imaginary universe. Then, it does not make sense that at that speed, no oxygen uncunscious (superhero or not) someone survives...
Yeah yeah he is gonna come up with an excuse like: "Silver surfer generated a protective shield for js not to burn out during entry because after all it was just a warning"
Just go to the movies and cringe.
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..Those were some bullshit goats.
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I thought the effects in the SPidey3 trailer were better.. there I fucking said it.. as for Johnny breathing in outer space, lets assume for a second that this was a documentary, and the logic was NOT completely flawed to begin with.. maybe the fact that he IS in space is a large reason for him flaming off and falling to earth like that.. the acting was atrocious, the things eye pat was corny, SURFER WAS COOL, and will be great to pick the CGI apart in hidef.. and for all the 'effects weren't finished' whiners, then the answer is... OF COURSE THEY'RE FINISHED... and if they're not and I'm incorrect I apologise, and if that IS the case then.. STUDIOS..don't release the trailers until they ARE finished?! FUCK MEEEE!! ... perhaps that's why we haven't REALLY seen Venom yet. just a thought.
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While flying, the Silver Surfer usually makes use of an object known on Earth as his "board", which was created by Galactus and is constructed of the same unknown substance as the Surfer's body; therefore, it too is virtually indestructible. Even when it was destroyed, the Surfer was able to easily reconstruct it.
The surfboard is psionically linked with the Surfer's mind, to the extent that damage that is somehow dealt to the board also causes the Surfer duress or pain. Apparently only a being possessing the Surfer's cosmic powers can cause the surfboard to fly, and its movement is controlled mentally by the Surfer. When he requires the board, he can call it to himself even from cosmic distances. The surfboard apparently taps ambient cosmic energy in much the same way that the Surfer himself does. Although the Surfer can utilize his cosmic power to fly without it, the surfboard enables him to fly with greater maneuverability and without the expenditure of his own energy.
The Silver Surfer can utilize the surfboard to attain multiples of the speed of light, but seldom exceeds Mach 10 (ten times the speed of sound) within the outer layers of a planet's atmosphere, and Mach 5 within the inner layers.
In addition, the Surfer and the Fantastic Four realized that Galactus' means of imprisoning the Surfer on Earth was linked to the board since the world devourer knew that his former herald would not think of leaving the planet without it. Putting the idea to the test, the Surfer left the board planetside and the Four transported him off the planet in their spacecraft. Once he realized he was free of Earth, the Surfer remotely converted the board to energy, recalled it to him and reformed it in space. The Surfer then met up with Galactus and rescued his current herald, Nova, from the Skrulls. In return, Galactus fully freed the Surfer and he could once again travel the universe. -
What garbage. Looks like a TV movie of the week. I'm surprised Josh Hartnett doesn't have a starring role.
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How exactly is Johnny going to burn up in re-entry when he can't burn. The man can generate supernova levels of heat, what's a little re-entry friction to a guy that can do that and not even singe an eyelash?
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somehow they've managed to make the mask on the Green Goblin in Spiderman seem positively emotive compared to the cut scene stills from this undeserved sequel.
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He does have to say "flame on" doesn' he?
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BUT IT WAS SO COOL!!! nope, it sucked. surfer looked pretty damn hideous, Alba somehow managed to appear uglier, and every line delivered sounded like a sick cat with a car alarm jammed up it's ass. BUT HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE SURFER!?!?!? THE EFFECTS WEREN'T FINISHED!!! well then they shouldn't have put two fucking minutes of him on huge screens should they? this is why you make trailers the way they're made, so you can give glimpses of totally finished effects instead of extended half-done and shitty looking effects. unfortunately, this time we don't have The Incredibles to convince Fox to boost the effects budget.
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I am a bigger Silver Surfer fan than you are. As for the FF, well, they are all right, but the Surfer just turns my freaking crank. Love his backstory and his look. I liked the first FF, though there were a couple of REALLY bad choices made...first and foremost the changes made to Doom, and then the whole freezing Reed Richards at the end, that was just weak. Overall, however, I thought it was good. I bought the DVD. As for this trailer, I THINK IT FUCKING RULED. It showed the Surfer and he looked BADASS. All you nimrods bitching about the t1000 thing, just remember...the T1000 looks like the surfer, not the other way around. Parting shot, I CAN"T WAIT. I AM OFFICIALLY NERDED OUT FOR THIS. I didn't see FF in the theaters, but I will DEFINITELY be seeing this one. END OF LINE.
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Never happy. WAAAAHHH!!!! That looked pretty damn cool. Shut up already jeez I'm so sick of the bitching.
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Again, "Hairy Nutsack" if his powers are conscious, and he is not when re-enters atmosphere, he would burn up.
The way you describe the surfer resembles a more contemporary version of the gods, more mainstream but stil imaginary, no mr "HairyNutsack" we are not the first ones to be ignorant enough to still phantasize with commercial Gods.
"Then Zeus released the brothers of Cronus, the Gigantes, the Hecatonchires and the Cyclopes, from their dungeon in Tartarus"
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I was just responding to Mr NS
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...that's actually not bad.
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Come on, don't be silly. His powers aren't like one of those Clapper things that turns lights on and off. He runs a temperature in the 100s of degrees, his powers are always "on" just not visible. He is living fire in the same way that Reed is living rubber or the Thing is living rock.
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One ass starts whining that its not the way he wants it to be and all chime in. Most of you dickweeds we're barely suckin' off your momma's tit when all this was conceived and BAM 40 frackin' years later you're given the chance to live comic books in what is imagined in a real world - its gonna be different, its gonna be something not what your little minds think it should be. And, for that f'n matter most of you don't know WTF you want. Shut the fuck up and and enjoy it.
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get up in this, slay stoopider, and keep the nerdversation going! please!! it's a chrome comic book character in a movie, riding a surfboard, for god sakes, that's ridiculous enough to be ripe for the nerd plucking...flame on, bitches!!
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Or is he nekkid???
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At least they are consistent. It looks kinda cheap...like it would make a pretty decent t.v. series episode.
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I don't have a degree in anything butseriously I have to say I think we can be more intelligent than this...
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what about superman?
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..but this trailer kinda rocks. Odd editing, though.
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These never happened huh...
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Would you have prefered they coat the guy in shiny silver make-up and put him in a leotard or something? maybe even a bikini Bottom Thong?
Cameron Copied the whole Liquid metal look From Marvel Comics Silver Surfer. Get used to the idea. Surfer was here First. And seriously, How much more advanced can you make a living liquid metal body appear on film, or in reality? They can't have him perfectly reflect Everything around him, then He wouldn't look Silver, he'd be Mirror man or some crap. So far seems they have Two effects right in this series, Surfer and Torch.
Just deal With it. Your Imagination can't be brought into reality. if It was possible,Every Republican on Earth would be dead, Every Woman would be Beautiful and nude, and I would Be your GodKing.
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besides superman 1, which is surprisingly still top dog after all this time. Hollywood must have been smoking some good shit when they made that movie.
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But only if we're talkin' the Donner films- Superman: The Movie, and Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut.
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anyone who says he looks just like the t-1000 is an idiot. the silver surfer is WAY more detailed. I think people who are complaining about the way he looks are really just looking to bitch. I don't think you can make a silver man flying around on a surfboard any better than that. Who knows? the movie could suck ass, but thats a pretty damn good silver surfer.
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Well, I actually agree on all that believe it or not, rudyrusso, but tmnt was good as was batman, batman returns, so I can't agree that there's only one exception in regard to good comic book films.
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I thought all the good ones were either dead or on their way out. It's true though. These comic movies aren't being made by the titans in the field, but the brett ratners.
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Of course, the first Fantastic Four film really underwhelmed me in general. Dr. Doom was the major disappointment, but I didn't truly buy anyone but the Human Torch either, for various reasons.
This trailer looks good, though. Silver Surfer moves as I imagine he should, and nothing about his look is particularly irksome. (The CGI seems fine, contrary to all the bitching.) The stills aren't exactly flattering to the character's design, but in motion the fluidity of the reflections help a lot. Maybe he could stand to be a touch lighter in color, but that's nitpicking.
This'll most likely turn out to be just another substandard filmic interpretation of classic comic book characters--definitely nowhere near Superman Returns and X-Men 2's league, much less that of Spider-Man 2 and Batman Begins--but hey, I'll give it a chance. I'll survive as long as it doesn't suck as hard as X-Men 3. -
Never been much of one for comic books or their movie counterparts, and was decidedly underwhelmed by the first Fantastic Four film, but I thought that trailer was pretty cool. Fair play to others, though, who reckon regular cinema goers won't know what the hell film this is, or who the characters are. Guess I'll catch it on DVD.
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I am a little disappointed they've gone the CGI route with this Silver Surfer. This would have been much funnier, I think, if they'd have hired an actor, shaved his head, given him a fruit basket, painted the bugger silver, and filmed him as is. I'm not against the CGI, but this is a missed opportunity for laughs.
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I'm done with AICN on the SS and F4. I can no longer come here in god faith and contribute what is supposed to be sensible debates about films we love. More and more I see the ignorant, stupid, and those with agendas. THE SURFER IS TO SILVER? What in the hell kind of braindead statement is that. He's Silver not chrome? You know what I don't give a flying fuck. The Surfer looks damn good and the trailer was damn good. all you haters go phuck yourself with a barbwired nightstick. You people are pathertic and have no lives and bitch and moan for the none other then the fact you can. Anyone complaining about the Surfer's look needs glasses. He looks nothing like the T1000, which he predates at least two decades. I'll be there opening weekend.
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The guy can rearrange and reconstruct matter. He weild vast comic powers and is one of the top most powerful hereos in all of comicdom. I'm sure the power to phase or pass through solid matter is in there somewhere.
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One of the best movies I've seen all year if not period. That being said, compared to the SR I was expecting it was a slight disappointment and there's the rub. Comic book movies won't kill Hollywood. MOVIES NOT MEETING EXPECTATIONS WILL KILL HOLLYWOOD. That's why POTC2 made so much money. People wanted a clown in a pirate costume and that's what they got. People wanted Superman to punch someone and they will now have to wait until 2009. Hollywood could ONLY make Superhero movies and thrive if said Superhero movies were up to snuff. Oh, and on topic I watched the FF2 trailer in medium and after that's how I felt.
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The Silver Surfer possesses vast power known as the "Power Cosmic," gained when Galactus restructured his former body. He has the ability to channel ambient cosmic energy into his body at will, and expel it violently as concussive force or gently as a means to restructure molecules according to his mental design. The Surfer can generate beams of energy with sufficient destructive force to destroy a planet or, by contrast, generate such subtle amounts of energy to restructure the molecules of the natural pigments within a plant to change its color. The Surfer can rearrange the molecules of matter to create other configurations and can even directly transmute elements. The Surfer can manipulate "chronal" energies and thus can peel back the veil of time to witness past events or to even directly travel through time. While he can use his power to revitalize life energies and heal the wounded, there is no proof that he can create life from nothingness or return the dead to life.
The Surfer possesses superhuman strength. Additionally, the Surfer can use the Power Cosmic to amplify his physical strength to a level at least rivaling that of an enraged Hulk. In addition, his body can move and react at superhuman velocities; he routinely navigates asteroid fields and attacks entire armadas of starships at or beyond the speed of light while maintaining surgical precision.
The Silver Surfer has certain cosmic energy-enhanced perceptions which enable him, through concentration, to become aware of the patterns of energy which surround him. Accordingly, he can sense great concentrations or deployments of energy at a great range, the extent of which is undetermined but is at least on an intra-galactic scale. He has a special affinity for the life energies of living beings, and can use his cosmic powers to augment them to a certain degree. The Surfer's other senses are also thus enhanced: he has demonstrated the ability to see as far as a light year while concentrating and without obstructions to his line of sight. Although the Surfer's senses are superhumanly keen, his sometimes detached and introspective nature occasionally leaves him unaware of his surroundings.
The forces binding together the molecules making up the silvery material that composes the Silver Surfer's "skin" are so great that there are few known forces in the universe great enough to overcome them. The inner portions of his body have also been restructured to be highly resistant to injury. Thus, the Surfer is invulnerable to most forms of physical harm. He can easily withstand great extremes of temperature caused by the build-up of friction within atmospheres, the vacuum of space or the intense heat found within stars. He has flown through the cores of stars and even soared through a supernova explosion on at least one occasion. He can survive without difficulties in the vacuum of outer space and hyperspace, and his body can withstand the stresses of travel at multiples of light speed in hyperspace. He has maintained that he is no longer in fact "mortal", but this is most likely an inference that he now has very little in common biologically with humans, rather than an assertion that he cannot be killed.
It is likely that the Surfer does not age; his counterpart in the future timeline of the Guardians of the Galaxy is over a thousand years old and is at least as powerful as his present-day counterpart. The Surfer's mind has also been restructured so that he has considerable resistance to telepathy and other mind control methods. He has the ability to communicate with various alien species regardless of their native language, and to speak to others in the vacuum of space, possibly through a limited form of telepathy.
The Silver Surfer does not need to eat or breathe since he absorbs life-maintaining cosmic energy directly into his body. Although his body does not require sleep, his mind must still rest occasionally in order to give it an opportunity to dream.
By using his board to exceed the speed of light. The Surfer can shift himself into hyperspace, a dimension in which velocity is not limited by the speed of light. The Surfer can also compress his own bodily matter so as to shift himself into a so-called microverse. Additionally, he can phase his body's molecules to pass through solid matter or energy.
Despite these vast powers, the Surfer is not completely unstoppable. He has in the past been wounded by vastly powerful forms of magic and by other users of the Power Cosmic, such as Galactus and his other heralds. He is not completely immune to psionics or other forms of mental attack or manipulation, although his willpower, spiritual strength, and Galactus' mental and spiritual tampering provide him with a superhuman resistance to mind control and psionics
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People...that was the Torch chasing SilverSurfer through NewYork City.
Can you believe that ? Oh i hear the haters "wah wah Silver
Surfer looks like T1000 wha wha" but seriously..
arent you americans used to see the same stuff all over again..you love Ben Stiller Adam Sandler Tom Hanks etc right? Hate to tell you the truth but theyre playing themself for like.. ten years and you still going nuts for them.
Yeah the first FF sucked hard but from all Superhero Flicks, these few seconds where the most promising.
The Transformers and Spidey3 Trailer literally fulminate against this.
...the human torch chasing the f*~+# SilverSurfer through NewYork City..now were talking.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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First, The.Founder has it pretty much exactly right. Everybody's cheesed because the Silver Surfer looks like he's made of... silver. So WHAT if it resembles the T2? If the look works, it works. You don't have to innovate completely for every single damn film ever made, and if the guy DIDN'T look like a silver-covered man on a surfboard, everybody here would be freaking out WORSE. Second, I find it hilarious that "the jury is still out" on a movie that won't be released for six months. That statement, more than anything, sums up this site.
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You're a cool guy.
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I enjoy your movies. But when I'm online, I conform to whatever the general opinion is. That's what it's all about.
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You weren't so bad.
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I never really noticed them until fanboys were protesting them like it mattered much to them. The ass shots were over the top though.
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I don't know why I never saw the movie. Skin color means shit.
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You're still the best batman.
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i never actually hated you... What I hate is that damn robot in Rocky IV. Stallone, dude...
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Eh... still sucked.
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Onliners Onliners Onliners. But it was a good effort.
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Don't make anymore please.
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This was good
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This was boring
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Does indeed suck
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Lovable cynics
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Lovable cynics
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Accidents happen :P
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Nothing's ever really as great or terrible as people make it online. That's what I've learned in my fanboy life... Maybe all arguments we have are truly pointless... I don't know...
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Silver Surfer came first, bitches.
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Come on! How much BETTER could it be made to look??? I mean, you can only make a CGI SILVER GUY look so good. The Silver Surfer rendition in this trailer looks pretty much dead-on to how he looked in the original comics (except for the eyeballs, of course). I just don't get what you freaks are talking about when you say that it doesn't look much better than the T-1000. HOW MUCH FRIKKIN' BETTER COULD IT LOOK?? HE'S SILVER!!! SILVER CAN'T GET ANY MORE SILVERY THAN SILVER!!!
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I love SS. I loved the teaser. It looks good and the CGI looks better than the Spider Man 3 teaser. Seriously, you know I'm right.
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It just doesn't work on film. Besides...Silver Sufer vs The Hulk in Planet Hulk!!
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That teaser just kicked my ass! The surfer still doesn't look 'shinny' enough to me, but damn if the Transformers trailer had that much energy, you could have sold me Optimus Prime as an ice cream truck! (halfway kidding). I've always felt (Harry I wonder if you agree with me here) that while the X-Men and Spider-man handled 'earthly' matters (typically, i'm not forgetting the black suit or the Shi'ar), the FF always had epic adventures on another scale. That was what was wrong with the first movie. It was just a grumpy brat with some powers fighting 4 newbies. This movie, this movie is EPIC. You can already tell. The FF are old hat now, the way Reed looks at Johnny and they all know what has to be done, no arguement, they just know. The overwhelming ability of the Surfer, and finally, the shots of him looking down on the whole earth. The FF are always going to the negative zone, or the bass-ackwards universe or somewhere crazy and if they don't succeed the UNIVERSE is destroyed. That was the piece that was missing from the first one. I really didn't like the first FF, but this I'm excited to see!
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So when TB's attack CGi. They are really attacking the companies that make CGI. Cgi is in its infancy and one of the worst films this year eragon despite its awful story and acting, had some very good Cgi, ie the dragon. if you think you all can do any better join the industry.
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the Torch chasing the mo+~*n SilverSurfer through NewYork...how cool was that. Come on ?! The shot in the teaser where he is coming towards the Torch in slowmotion..damn...
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...looks crap. Period.
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I would think that the powers that be are not dumb enough to realize that it's going to look like T2 stuff and try and change it up someway right?
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In the silver corner, there's the articulate, intelligent and accurate case made by The Founder. In the shit-coloured corner there's your three words. You're what I like to call "A Fucking Idiot". Explain yourself.
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The makers of this film are stuck between a rock and hard place, creatively speaking, with this character. I'm sure they know it looks a lot like the T2 terminator, but how can they change such a simple design without going away from what makes it the Silver Surfer in the first place? It's not like you can give him a hat or shades or a funky leather outfit. Well, I hope not, anyway. It's a naked silver guy. What else can you do with it? Personally, I admire their nerve for trying it at all.
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Edit out the random Space that AICN inserts in each URL to see these early surfer covers, after you cut and paste them into your browser. The reason Surfer was drawn as WHITE, with some grey or blue highlights, was because it was easier to see his human expressions. A Chrome, or Mirror surface DEhumanizes the Surfer, makes it harder to see his expressions, makes him Harder to SEE period. "Silver" is sometimes used as a synonymn for white, as in "silver among the gold" referring to white hairs among yellow hairs. There was no need to go "chrome". The Surfer needs to look cool, and a T2 CGI freak might be scary and inhuman looking (cool! Scary!) and lots of fanboys think that's the ba all and end all of coolness to look badass, but it's boring. -
I don't know what everyone is complaining about. That looked great. I loved everything about it. The trailer makes the movie out to be everything the first one wasn't. It just looked serious. And I love how fun-loving Johnny Storm is the one tracking him, all-cool like not knowing what to suspect...and then Surfer just turns and grabs him by the throat. Totally cool, and I love the Surfer effects, especially the way he flies through things and upside down...very, very, very cool.
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I 100% agree! Even when he 'realizes' that the torch is following him and then grabs his neck... there's no anger, its all melancholy (to steal your word). Awesome.
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But that is the most bizarre argument I have ever heard. Are you really complaining that the movie version of the SILVER Surfer is... um... silver? Really? I always thought the reason they coloured him white and blue and whatnot in the comics was that it wasn't practical to use silver ink. It was one of those creative license things, like giving Superman blue hair.
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BUT, it also looked damn cool as it was. Practically, if you want something as cool looking as the original white-with-blue-highlights look of the original comic book Surfer, you've got to let go of the literal meaning of "silver" and go with something that looks cool. Which literal silver, shiny, chromy CGI termininator style doesn't. YES, they were suggesting he was silver, and he was supposed to be silver, but what we were looking at was actually White. And it looked good because it was White.
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Does it really ruin the film for people? Really? Like wow...just wow. A small trailer, showing excellent effects, an improvement on the first film and a Silver Surfer that is silver. Yeh fuck this - its got to be crap right? Thing is, all you fuckos that are complaining will be the ones first in line come opening day - and you know it.
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Not bad at all. Not a big comic book fan, so I don't give a shit how the silver surfer looks compared to the comic, this will look great when the effects are finished.
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I really hope this is better than the first one. It does look better, but they didn't really show us much dialogue or acting and that's what I hated the most about the first one. So, I'll have to wait but I doubt it will be good, but maybe it can be better.
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guys....say it with me : The HumanTorch chased the SilverSurfer through NewYork.
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stay away from comic books. it really isnt worth your trouble. All you are going get is stick from the tb's who have never shot a frame of film in there in lives, have no knowledge of the casting process and dont work in the effects business let alone write anything. that doesnt stop them salivating and looking for any excuse to attack films which the say they love. Transformers is great example. An unreleased movie, every poster, still, trailer has been shot to pieces by some tber's but not all tber's. So really it isnt worth the trouble. Iunderstand that movie studios are in the business to make money. some on this site really dont understand and think that comic books are sacred texts and same thing applies to Transformers. So just stop with the comic books. OK!
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It's just not the best artistic choice. And, hey, maybe when the Fantastic Four make friends with him, he'll calm down and de-chromify as his mood shifts.
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I can't do one myself. I need help.
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Franklyn, you'll never get through to Ringy, don't bother talking logic and pre-press printing techniques. Ringy wouldn't know 4-colour process printing and PMS 'special' inks (and how artists allow for them) if they bit him in the arse. And they just did. Either that or he's finally discovered a sense of humour.
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I just saw it with Night at The Museum. I was a major Silver Surfer comic book collector in the 70's & early 80s and All I can say WOW!
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I did it exactly because no-one had, I post, and viola! It's in the air, baby! And before Ringy's reply too. Exactly how stoned ARE you Ringy, 24/7? I love your association logic. Joking. Of course.
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Funniest joke on the whole talkback.
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I know I won't get through to Ringwearer9. To be honest, I don't expect to. He's a crazy bugger, but I liked talking to him about LOTR, so I'm glad to have him here in FF land. I may not agree with him about much, but I have a grudging respect for his willingness to stand up and shout his contrariness from the talkback rooftops.Keep it up, Ringy, it would be boring if we all agreed about everything.
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True. But not much chance on people agreeing in a TB! Although we came close in a couple of the Stallone TBs. Unsettlgin.
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Saw that just as I hit post. Zuh. Time for bed.
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You have to admit, John and Jane Regular (who make up the bulk of the cinema audience) would be pretty damn confused by a guy named Silver Surfer who is white in colour.
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Arrives at quarter past six. Only a few hours to wait. So how come the Silver Surfer can pass thru building and bus's without damaging them but breaks all the windows when he surfs past? Huh?
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the effects in the matrix reloaded trailer were unfinished. Spiderman used an entirely different cg model just to keep a suprise secret. the king kong trailer is actually made up of mostly shots that werent even in the movie, they were just done specifiaclly for the trailer, including effects shots (theres an entire production diary about it.) believe it or not, but trailers actually come out before films are finished, and effects shots are the last thing to be completed before a film gets scored. looking at the release date for this film id say they're not even half way to completing all the effects shots on this movie. they only wrapped up shooting on the 15th of december. so yes, trailers get released without finished effects, its a fact of the movie industry. infact, im sure very few TEASER trailers have finished effects shots in. up until a month before release, maybe less, the effects guys will be working on hundreds of different effects shots. so bloogy give em a break and at least wait until you see the finished film before you call all their hard work a pile of shite.
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Guess I didn't read enough comics as a kid.
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To all the people that are trashing this trailer-- What DO you expect?? Jeez! The character is called "the SILVER Surfer"-- the comparisons with the T-1000 is unfair, how much more different looking could the Surfer be? And why couldn't the Surfer "phase" through objects? Who knows how the power cosmic works and how a wielder can manipulate it to his will and desires? Let the imagination fly, will ya?
Why can't you people just be happy that THIS FF crew in no way looks like the shelved Roger Corman movie (which was REALLY as BAD as BAD can get!)
Personally, I enjoyed the trailer and the look of the Surfer was excellent. Why not just give the movie and Tim Story a chance and see if this sequel can deliver better than the first.
I will admit the first movie left me a little flat especially when it came to Doctor Doom -- I'm hoping that Story makes Doom a LOT more menacing and fearsome this time around. And Mr. Story-- if you read these forums-- please, PLEASE, do something about Doom's voice! He should really sound deeper and more reverberation in his tone. -
I'm in on this one. Looks Good to me (within reason). Sue Storm is still too young, Ian Gruffold was a lousy choice for Reed, and the Thing should have been CGI (like the Hulk), but Johnny gets it. I like this trailer. So far, so good.
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I think John and Jane Public might go "huh?" for 1 second, and then settle back for the spectacle. And if they get all smartass and ask "Why is he white?" the elite comic geeks can say, with a superior smirk "Because he just is, and BUSCEMA drew him that way. Don't know who Buscema is? Away from me, ignorant peasants."
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so why don't you whiner babies whine some about it. hate on it til it can be hated on no more. cuz you geeks will whine about anything. that was probably the best trailer for a comic book movie that i can remember. it makes every ounce of ten-year-old in me want to jump around on the living room furniture like i'm silver surfer zooming around the city. but there was probably a problem with eyelashes or alba's boobs or some other random miniature detail that spells doom for the movie. whine as much as you want. you know this trailer is awesome.
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had the power to manipulate matter and energy. So he could have made the buildings and the bs phase through him. O f couse "manipulates matter and energy" is Marvel speak for --this character can do pretty much whatever the writters want him to do at any given time--.
Anyway, the trailer looked good. It looks like they're opening with an action scene instead of spending 110 minutes on exposisition and only the last ten minutes fighting the big bad, whic is a signinificant improvement. Maybe now that they got the origin story out of the way they can do something cool here.
I actually think the smart way to handle Galactus would be the Jaws approach.
We see silloettes of a giant space ship. Giant hand over a control panel, wee little Earth in the view screen. And keep the action of the movie focused on FF versus the Surfer, as Surfer speechifies about the on coming planet eater leeding the team to try to convince the Surfer to turn on his master.
Then maybe a last act Surfer vs. Galactus fight and even then they can zoom in on the Surfer blastin at a huge wall of body armor and getting swated by energy beams. Surfer gets beaten but Galactus says, "to hell with this I'm ordering take out."
The Watcher and the Ultimate Nullifier would be a mistake, I think. I don't see them translatin into a movie as anything but Deus Ex Machina. And it would definitely earn a deserved WTF from anyone not familiar with the comic. And in a movie there wouldn't be time to address consequrences for the Watcher or even to establish what the Watchers are why that Watcher's choice to interfere was significant.
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don't sugar coat it...just say what you mean Bro...
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This one's a bit late, but what the hell.Depending on your interpretation, I'd argue that Richard Donner, Bryan Singer, Robert Altman, Barry Sonnenfeld, Sam Mendes and Ang Lee were all considered 'respectable' at the time they took on comic adaptations. I'd throw in David Cronenberg, too, but I gather he didn't know A History Of Violence was a comic when he read the script. Comic films have also done a lot make some film-makers respectable, especially Tim Burton and Sam Raimi.It's true that these films are often handed off to first-timers and special effects guys, but that's not always the case.
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That's pretty funny, Ringwearer, and I can't imagine it being said in any other voice than that of comic book guy from The Simpsons.
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The trailer looked fine to me.
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you have to admit.
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It's not 2-6am everywhere. Mind you, there is a lot of lard and soiled underpants here. How did you know?
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It was pretty good, but I'm still a huge skeptic due to the first film. Silver Surfer looks very good, but I'm gonna hold off on this one til I see more. B+
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Actually looks amazing...and I hated the first movie. I am very surprised - looks like they've actually read some FF comics now -- that WAS the Fantastic Four (apart from Reed and Sue still being too young and wimpy). Surfer looks cool. Looking forward to it.
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WETA, who did the pretty neat looking Gollum. But who also did the pretty dodgy Cave Troll. A purely terminator silver surfer suggests that the look was chosen because it was easier to do in CGI, because, gee, how old is terminator CGI animation? Everyone and their pet chihuahua can do it now. Now, based on the last movie, we knew this one was probably going to be budget conscious, and I'm not hating on that, I liked the first movie, partly because the low budget was kinda charming. But lets not say "WETA, that is all" as if they were only capable of quality. Not so.
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He actually looks a bit like the comics...
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best thing about it.
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...when I read these comic book movie talkbacks for trailers or stills that often look better than we had any reasonable right to believe they would (given the history of comic-to-film translations and the general incompatibility of comic book images with realistic, live-action depictions), I find myself overcome with the urge to ask three questions: 1.) What were you expecting? 2.) What did you want? and 3.) What are you on? But, knowing the answers to these questions will likely be utterly unsatisfying, I resign myself to enjoying these talkbacks for what they are: whine and cheese. The trailer looks better than most comic movies do when finished. That's saying something. It's not saying much about the quality of the film when finished (as trailers rarely do), but it is speaking volumes about people who actually look for reasons to complain about something that looks this decent. Too silver, indeed. Stay gold, Ponyboys.
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With the exception of that comedian has the priest that was pitch perfect. Like an old Lee/Kirby comic come to life. (It would be great if Thing had a yarmulke, though.)
Two things:
1)If Doom is back, PLEASE make him the king of Latveria now. Its possible because he was headed back there in the first film. Just have an aside where a news anchor mentions that Doom will be back in NY to attend a UN function after he used his powers to conquer his homeland and install himself as king.
2) When Galactus is revealed, make him all CGI. Humanoid but make him biomechanical so its hard to say if he's a biological creature or not. Important to remember that nobody knows Galactus real form: he looks like whatever race views him. His arrival should be like when those ships showed up in ID4.
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about the Silver Surfers powers. Wouldn't that be a refreshing thing for everyone to wake up to today? ;)
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1.) Stay true to the source material. Keep what made the cool stuff cool. If you don't know what that is then you're not the right director or studio for it.2.) A director with a vision, and a solid understanding of the pulse of the comic they are adapting. Someone who can deliver the FANTASTIC part! 3.) Fans who never "whined" got the Batman they deserved with Schumacher. Some are fixated on the "too silver" comment but the lack of understanding between SILVER and CHROME just symbolizes how Hollywood will always go the half-assed route if you allow them. Fans don't want DECENT SURFER they want the SILVER SURFER!
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Did I read that right! GOOD GAWD!!
Thats like tripple the average of anywhere in the US. Where I live, we have a pretty nice, not that old Regal. I'm sure it dont hang at all with the Alamo Drafthouse, lol, But All matineese are $5.50 (they were 5 bucks for the longest). All other shows are $7.50. I guess i shouldnt complain about food prices huh, there prob cheaper here then most other places as well. -
I love the guy but couldn't he please, please, please back out of his deal to direct Wonder Woman???
Every interview he gives about the project, he is always bitching and moaning...and it doesn't sound like good natured, having fun bitching and moaning. If you can't have fun making a Wonder Woman movie, you should quit trying. -
We all know that a good trailer does not equal a good movie. Good writing, direction, acting, and production values are needed to achieve that distinction. So if this sequel is anything like the first film, then this will NOT be a good movie at all.
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looks sweet to me. now hopefully they get his ass checks to jiggle; good one greekham
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I'm actually glad he's bitching about it. It just means he's a perfectionist. Directors of Daredevil, Electra, FF and other crappy comic book movies were all boasting about their stuff like it was second coming. What he's doing is lowering peoples expectations, cause this isn't his first barbecue. Thats why he doesn't like to talk much about his upcoming projects, b/c it seems to take life of its own on the net and he can't do anything about it.
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that they're also working on that other little film called Avatar. And they're also working on Waterhorse.
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The first one was balls but i gotta say that trailer was the bees knees. better than anything in the first FF film. alliteration biatch.
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If the Silver Surfer really does have all these power's cosmic, and can go through matter etc., why the hell does he need a surf board to fly? It sounds like something cute they added when they first invented to character to make him cool. Today a super hero needing a surf board to get around is silly.
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Not to mention a matter of personal taste involved in your apparent complete dismissal of the first film. I've yet to encounter an FF comic fan who, while being completely honest with himself (yeah, they've pretty much all been male), can't find something they liked about the first FF film. But, while it's a given that a good trailer doesn't a good film make, it's also pretty universally understood that one needs to see how a film turns out before one can just write it off. Unless one is moviemack or a die-hard G1 Transformer fan, that is.
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http://www.marvel.com/universe/Silver_Surfer
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The surfer may have been white with blue and black highlights when he was created by Stan and Jack, buut you gotta remember this was back in the dark ages. Okay, maybe not the dark ages, but a long time ago. Printing in that day was a very simple process - hence all the primary colours of costumes. Silver would have been impossible to do. The best they would have been able to do is grey (actually whte with little black dots to resemble grey). Kirby did not have photoshop to colour his creation. Even if he did, the printing press used would never be able to reproduce it at the time. Today, you can do anything with CMYK to make images pop and photoshop can add a bunch of cool effects. If the surfer was made in the mid-to-late-ninties, he would look just like the surfer from the trailer. Overall, I think the movie version looks pretty fantastic. Better than T2 obviously. It did appear a little robotic in movement at sometimes, but moved spectactularily in other scenes (like coming out of the other side of the building. Maybe the lack of fluidity is a design flaw or maybe it is as simple as a character trait. He could be just stowic, very simple and purposeful in his movements. Given his level of power, he does not need to showboat as much. Let Johnny Storm do that. As far as trailers go, I dig it. The extended scene concept over flashing action scenes worked for me. Looks better than the first already. Looks better than Superman Returns too. In this day and age of CGI, you need to see superheros fighting Supervillians, unlike SR where arguably the most powerful hero in history gets kicked around by street toughs because of a little green rock. Even if I didn't like the trailer and thought the first was just average, I will still go see it. I like superhero films, and I want them to make more. If that means sitting through a couple of rotten eggs - so be it. Alll you bitchers know you are going to see it too. But hell, talkbackers love to stir the pot and get a reaction - that what makes these forumns so fun. So bitch on people, bitch on!
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and it reminded of Why studios are decreasing their budgets on big movies. That film took three years to make and its final budget was somewhere in the region of 200m million and of course it made 0.5.,000,000,000 even more. The point I am making is that studios will no longer allow films over run in the way they did. Studios are keeping an ever closer eye schedules than ever before. That means a tight reign of effects is almost guaranteed. There is no such thing as a literal translation from page to screen. things do get lost. if movie execs made comic books the way look on the page that would bankrupt hollywood. that is no one will hire cameron again.
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people...the human torch chasing the SilverSurfer through NewYork. 1,12mins of this was more entertainnig than nearly everything this new comicToFilmHype brought us. Damn i wanted SR to be a good flick but we got Superman vs. Kumar. Yeah. now...all together : the human torch chasing the SilverSurfer through NewYork.
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It was horrible and non-comic book people hate it too. Also bad sign saw the trailer with Museum the other night and people were laughing at the trailer. One of my friends who knows nothing about comics said "That one guy looked like the bag guy from Terminator 2". So that comparison is not just a joke I think ordinary audiences will think the same. The fact that most of the people in the theater were laughing also shows that this franchise... Um isn't respected.
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then I seen this rather boring chase. I'd have prefered a more traditional trailer, teasing the movie. Anyway, it needs more Doom.
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comic books movies. oh dear......
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The silver surfer is TOO silver??? Goodness gracious, he looked perfect! That entire 2 minute trailer was a comic book come to life, and all some of you can say is "Gosh, its just too silver!" or "Meh, cgi looks horrible!" For pete's sake, that cgi surfer was just fine. Admittedly, the cgi flames look a little spotty, but that is why God invented the ability to suspend your disbelief. How the heck do you guys even watch "Jason and the Argonauts," "The Thing," or "Fantastic Voyage?" The fact is, spotty cgi or not, its still a million times better than clay-mation or go-motion. Surely its good enough that you guys can suspend your disbelief, right?
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as usual
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It was a cinematic equivalent of a partial birth abortion. I want those two hours back.
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I can't put into words how terrible that shit was. The acting was god awful and only out done by the terrible script. They changed the look of the thing for no reason and completely screwed up Doom. Nobody but a child could buy Alba as a scientist. It's like someone had a bet as to how completely shitty they could make it, and they won. Sadly, it did well at the box office and on DVD, but only because kids liked it and most of them are retards. The Incedibles was the FF and did it perfectly.
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sounds like he can manipulate matter and space at will, but he has to hang ten while doing it? help me out here, never read a comic in my life.
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he is riding the cosmic waves. if you think a film is shite beforehand you will still have the same opinion at the end off the movie. but if you are willing to a give a film a chance and be entertained, you will enjoy yourself. All depends on the attitude you have when you enter the theatre and watch a film.
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but the reason the torch gets extinguished is because he was taken too high up in the sky, where oxygen is less dense (there is less). He had trouble breathing and fire needs oxygen to form. They did not go to outer space.
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...spectrebeeyatch. No one I know has ever called FF an important film or suggested that it is exemplary of either the cinematic or comic art forms. However, more than 90 percent of people I interact with in real life who have seen the movie enjoyed it on some level. That includes adults and children, comic book fans and non-comic book fans. Most of them laughed a lot during the movie as well. In fact, that was sort of the point...silly popcorn fun with a budget. The only thing FF really fucked up was Doom's origin. Everything else that you or virtually everyone else complaining about it has cited is either entirely a matter of personal opinion or exemplary of a profound misunderstanding of the source material. I'll stop defending FF (which I can really take or leave as a movie as the FF was never my favorite comic) when stereotypical Comic Book Guys stop bashing it because it didn't exactly match the movie they were making in their heads.
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I just thought SS slowed down to bait Johnny into that chokehold. I mean, it seemed obvious at the time... ^_^ I'm not ashamed to be excited about this flick...FLAME ON, NAYSAYERS!
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I am a long time FF reader. And although I was never one of those who flipped out over the Surfer, I still loved the character. And now, he is on the big screen - and he looks awesome. To those of you nit picking and bitching about him looking like the T2000, well, I guess you didn't get that My Little Pony for Christmas. That was a kick ass trailer. And yes, it was better than the entire previous movie. I just hope it is not better than the entire second movie. I am willing to withold judement until I SEE the movie though.
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Speechless....just speechless. Gimme a second to calm the fuck down.
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It doesn't really matter. He was popular because he looked cool, "dark ages" or no. Larger choices in coloring technology doesn't automatically produce good character design. The Buscema Silver Surfer still looks way more impressive than any of the more recent artwork that uses pure silver color (and uses inferior artwork to fill in the color). I'm not saying this movie surfer can't work, but I honestly was a little happy when I heard the geek-reviled rumor that he was going to be wearing a white body suit. Thought that if it was done right, it would be fine, especially if they got good wirework in there for more easy to follow, and easy to identify with, action scenes, and realistic muscle motion from the Surfer.
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It was not better than the entire previous movie - I did enjoy a good deal of the first FF.
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And I liked the first movie too. I'm not ashamed to admit it. It had it's flaws, but I enjoyed watching it. This new trailer looks great too.
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The stupidity/irrationality of some of you TB'ers boggles the mind. Do yourselves a favor and buy some glue and patches, mend your blow-up dolly and work it out because some of you mutha-fuckas need to get laid in the worst way. I'm beginnig to think that some of y'all was the inspiration for Henry - Portrait of a Serial Killer.
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Looks better than I expected, but I hated the first one so much...I dunno. Michael Chiklis was the best part of the first one. Nobody's ever mentioned that, right?
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Or is there some sort of complain-bot virus that's infected servers around the world and spews out garbage onto this site whenever a new genre film comes out?
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Personally, I think the image of a huge guy in some ridiculous purple suit on the big screen is completely laughable. I think it would go over so much better if Galactus is done like GAH LAK TUS from the Ultimate Extinction comic line. I think it would be more menacing and have just the right kind of nervous fear to instill in the audience. Any takers on that idea?
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Who, except professional strippers, get married in a wedding dress that shows that much cleavage? Still, I'd marry that. I can only guess what she might be doing to cause those lines on the side of her mouth, but I'm pretty sure it would be pretty good fun for whoever she was doing it to. So no complaints from me. It'll be a movie. Probably pretty fun to watch, if you're not a tightly-wound, stick-up-the-ass diehard fanboy. If you are, you'll enjoy hating it, so everybody is actually going to be very satisfied by this second installment in the Wildly Inappropriate Casting Four.
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Anyway, I never saw the first one, but that teaser made me excited to see some crazy surfing action! Frankly, teh effects may be poor, but not so bad that it takes me out... lighten up people!
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I like it! Consider my hopes officially raised.
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The Silver Surfer was out long before T2. He looks better than the T2000 and THIS IS JUST THE FIRST SHORT LOOK. He looked damned cool and the movie isnt even finished yet!! Stop whining about it till Summer comes around for christs sake. Its a first look TEASER! For being what it is it looks cool. Cry about it when it comes out like the last movie. It has to be better than the last one.
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I think, from the trailer, is that this Surfer is more like the Ultimate version.
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Isn't a board at all, it's a spacetime interface. Kudos to the writers and special effects guys who made a point of demonstrating that to us in the Holland Tunnel shots. Notice that he can move through it, and upside down. Not an accident; they're telling us something about how it works. He surfs the spacetime continuum. Even weirder, if a being had that kind of technology, he'd need a perfect reflecting surface that no heat energy would be dissipated in the vacuum. Voila! Maybe Jack Kirby was even more prescient than we thought.
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how everyone seems to want the silver surfer to look radically different to the T1000... theres only so much you can do with an entirly reflective character. you can change the shape, thats it. and the shape is VERY comic book based. and if you compare this unfinished version of the surfer with the t1000, you'll see it looks a lot better, mainly down to modern day compositing software and rendering power. i really dont know what you were expecting.... chrome is chrome, theres not much anyone can do about it.
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couldnt fix this trainwreck. This film will come and go well under the radar. The first film's financial success was a fluke. Too many big dogs at the box office for this puppy to do well this summer. The Surfer looks about as good as he can on film. That said, every single other element of this "franchise" is a waste. It's a real shame too, that 'Down With Love' / 'Hard Day's Night' angle with a better cast/director/writers/studio would have been a blast . . .
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Obviously you had a go at photoshop once and think you know something. Try reading other people's posts (yeah I know we're too far down the TB for people to be bothered) and don't try to come off like an expert when you're not. Apart from the odd cover no-one uses silver because it's a PMS special and adds another printing plate to the mix, which means 5 plates instead of 4 process plates which means more expense. Don't even get me started on the expense of doing the actual art in 5-colour and having the special integrated tonally rather than as a flat spot-colour. There are fuck-all artists in the world that know enough pre-press to do it well and the amount of time it would take is completely prohibitive. It has bugger-all to do with technology really. I must admit it's funny that you would try to 'teach' Ringy though.
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I can buy a man made out of rock can cry and have wrinkles when he flexes the Orange-rubber like material. I can buy the jerk from Not Another Teen Movie has another movie coming out, and not laugh at the ovious alternative lifestyle quote "flame on". And I can buy a dude in chrome can fly with the help of cheesy CGI. But I can't buy a dumb pretty headed bimbo like Jessica Alba could marry that Mr. Rogers looking dude...unless it was for the money and she had a lobotomy. Ofcoarse, after doing a movie with The Fast and The furious guy would make anyone lobotomiced. .....Didn't Tarantino loved the Silver Surfer - Why can't they get him to direct it for like no money cuz he's such a FANBOY? WTF
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It takes more time and expense not to mention rendering overhead to have a highly reflective character and the accompanying environment maps or whatever than it does a 'milky' silver or less reflective (notice I'm not using the word opaque as like a few have said they're both opaque/not transparent) version where you can get away with less interactive lighting and so on. You anti-CGers are so clever, considering you don't actually know anything. I'm sure the reason there's no glow is the same - with the chrome they're trying to lock him into the background plate. The glow would do the opposite, which conversely works really well for comics/print.
Moondoggy, don't bother, I've been through this whole thing many times, offering level-headed reasoning and examples. All that happens is they ignore it and don't reply because they can't refute it, and then start all over in the next TB. Not to mention most of them weren't old enough before the early nineties advent of CG feature effects (if we start with Abyss) to even offer a balanced p.o.v. You're a teacher, you know how the mentality works. Having said that there are also plenty of older and professional types who do this stuff and STILL have a completely biased view. "Loosers" as Freefinger would say, ha ha (how did the whole world suddenly forget it's 'loser'? Don't even start on then/than!). Before I knew who Ringy was I even tried to explain emotional logic and design/aesthetics in film versus 'reality' to him in a Kong TB. Silly me! -
Movie studios seem keen to show us the movie going public too much upfront and are even making rough cuts of trailers when the effects are either being tweaked and half finished. Now I have no idea why this is being done and I think it is stupid idea. They should stop using Comic con as way of saying look this is where we are are at and so forth. Studios hire actors who they think will work for the role. Hollywood has been forced by law to make films more family firendly. Fans may baulk at this but that is they it is. Films are products for factories called the movie studios. Thanks to the neocons. The product is becoming greyer. I would love to see Doom declaring War on earth but it wont happen. Because they dont want to scare the kiddies. But it may happen in the next film.
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have several more 'elements' added to him by june 15th. it's only december! GEEKS CHILL.
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Since you're someone who's actually involved in this field, how does the silver surfer look to you? Critically, I mean? To me, he looks great, but I'm curious as to how your eye, which is a lot more trained than mine, sees it. Believe me, your opinion won't change mine, I'm just curious about your reaction. Now, the flame effects on the human torch just seem like tv cgi to my eyes and it seems like it could use some work, particularly on the closeups. Am I wrong to think this isn't the best they could do with Johnny Storm?
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For me, its close enough that I can more than easily suspend my disbelief as a movie-goer, but as someone who is passingly interested in this kinda stuff, it seems really off to me.
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I enjoyed the first one, saw in in the theatre even and I'm already there for this one. I hope they bring a cool Ultimate GahLakTus into the third one.
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"Uhm, why is that guy flying around on a SURFBOARD?" Seriously. Meanwhile, we're worried about the quality of his reflective skin and picking nits about the realism of Johnny's flames, etc. People like my Dad will see a guy flying around on a surfboard and his boiss, a giant purple guy with antlers. I kinda liked the trailer.
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"Uhm, why is that guy flying around on a SURFBOARD?" Seriously. Meanwhile, we're worried about the quality of his reflective skin and picking nits about the realism of Johnny's flames, etc. People like my Dad will see a guy flying around on a surfboard and his boss, a giant purple guy with antlers. I kinda liked the trailer.
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And he's SILVER, not CHROME. Those are two completely different colors. Hey, maybe he should be the PEWTER SURFER!!?
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hated the first film but the Surfer is awesome and ive always wanted to see 'em onscreen. trailer has some early FX but other than that i kinda dig it...too bad they didnt fix The Thing :(
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Am I just being overly geeky or does anyone else notice a similarity between the good Doctor and the Sentinel of the Spaceways.
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Spending their time debating the Silverness of the Silver Surfer. Get out of your Mom's basement and get a life. That's the Real Life not a Second Life.
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....or the new Flames on Optimus, and the new Nipples on a Batsuit; if AICN geekdom has anything to say about it. silver Silver surfer = Optimus who can transform......into a truck. Or something.
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because galactus is fucked up even in his native format. Galactus was utterly retarded in the comics, so he can only get more retarded during the translation. I'm not sure there is any way to put a planet sized man wearing purple armor and a pope hat into a movie and be able to take it seriously.
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The Human Torch chasing the f+*~n SilverSurfer through NY. How cool is this People ? Btw the next Superman will be called "Superman:The rise of Kumar" Now all together again : The Human Torch chasing the f+*~n SilverSurfer through NY.
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Because studios won't spend the money needed. Or if they do they spend it badly. SP3 might be the exception. Like SR I want to see Superman kick ass, I don't want to see him get beat up from a stoner who goes to white castle. F1 sucked because Fox wanted to make it on the cheaper end that's why they hired Story and that's why the screenplay blew they only had money for 1 fight scene, which sucked. I really liked Batman Begins and the spider-man movies are fine, they just have weak spots(Green Goblin mask, not enough Doc-ock) but man comic book movies are doing fine. Sp3, Dark Knight and Superman Returns 2 I think will change peoples minds. Fantastic Four will probably be an upgrade from the first. So from shitty to not-as-shitty.
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I think it'll be better than superman returns...at least their superpowers are more in line to what they are supposed to be. Lifting up a planet full of krypton...ahem
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It has to do with content. These failed neocons were on a campaign to clean up things they didnt like. Take the phoney bullshit nonsense over janet. Her Boobie popped out on tv. big fucking deal. but to the morallistically facist Necons she was a scalp in their war to clean up entertaintment. That is why walden are doing so well. No blood and guts in any of there movies. The Narnia battle, remember that one, see any blood in that, me niether. Battles usually are bloody affairs. So why no blood in that one? there was a even in the scene where with Aslan and the queen which was edited in so away that you didnt see Aslan being stabbed in the chest. 300 is ont of the most anticipated films of 2007. The battle of Thermoplae was one of the bloodiest battles of all time. Will that film be left alone. I doubt it. They will probably deem it too violent, take the bloodiest parts out and clean the movie up. Comic book fans will say hey were was that scene from the graphic novel and why is it not in the movie.
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..just watched the Spidey3 Trailer and...yeah..well..yeah it was a bit boring cant help it. So i watched the ff2 teaser again...i watched this teaser a unhealthy gazillion times and this still seems to be the best handfull seconds in the younger comic2film history so far.
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...Cosmic NEED to be more muscular? I'm sorry, BSB, but that's just a silly thing to type. He'd want to be sleek and streamlined if speed is of his essence (and it is). Hence, the wiry frame. Makes perfect sense to me.
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You idiots complaining need to get lives. I mean, the perfected what the Silver Surfer should look like 16 freekin' years ago in T2. If the FF production team did something less quality than that, something assinine like a guy in a suit I could see the bitching. That was the "teaser" and it was flippin' awesome. This is like when Hulk came out and dipshits on here were bitching that he was too green.
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Muscular Silver Surfer. Sorry, I actually a Hulked out Surfer in the comic version and seriously not pretty.
Silver Surfer's supposed to be lean even wiry, he was in the comics, apart from that Hulked-out scene which was just ridiculous. Surfer on roids is a thing the world does not need to see.
Also, he's dude with flexible metal skin, what the hell is flexible metal skin supposed to look like.
White? Like a KKK skin suite or the original White Tiger without the necklace, or Storm Shadow from GI Joe? To me that would a be little off putting.
The interesting part will be when he uses his powers. And we've already seen some cool matrixy FX.
He's also supposed to be cold and emotionally cut off in the begining. Later he gets more sympathetic toward Earth and starts to remember Galactus coming to his own home world. If the CGI face starts doing some real emoting then they'lkl have gone beyond T2 FX, which even today are still pretty awesome.
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I don't have much problem with a slim Surfer, though I think it would have looked cooler to have, say, a John Buscema-style physique on the character. That, to me, is more of the 'classic' Surfer look. In the trailer, Johnny Storm looks like a linebacker in comparison (wrong actor for the part, but that's a different discussion). Just my opinion. As for a couple other points being made here: first, the 'unfinished effects' line. Do the effects ever really improve from a trailer? I've never seen a really meaningful change from the trailer to the movie--the movie comes out and the effects look no better overall (see Spider-Man's various fake-looking Spidey-leaping-around CGI shots). As for the technical talk about CGI rendering...can this ho-hum Surfer really be defended by the fact that it's hard to do the character justice with CGI tools? Well boo frickin' hoo! Let's have a little envelope-pushing, for Pete's sake! Was WETA whining about how hard it was to do the Balrog? No, they just did it, and it looks ten times better than anything we've seen in this half-baked franchise so far. This stuff may look neat, but it's the Fantastic Four--it should blow all of our minds, not just be acceptable. In my opinion, Marvel should have saved their pennies from the Spideys and X-Mens, waited a few years, and rolled out this franchise by itself as the next really big thing, with top-shelf stars and sudio-best effects. Instead of overreaching and ending up with an under-funded, under-talented also-ran series, which is what this is.
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Here you'll get a good picture of what SS would look like either shiny silver or matt-finished: http://tinyurl.com/y9wx8z
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Those of you with geeky girlfriends, might know what this means.
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Yeah, it's harder to buy beer now with the fake ones. The kiddies have it rougher these days...
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We should probably hate this just to get back at Fox for the first movie - but if there hadn't been a first movie I bet 90% of us would say "Dude. Human Torch chasing the Silver Surfer through New York City... woah... I never thought I'd see this in a movie! This is sweet!" Yes the first movie sucked - but this one might not. (Fight on Childe Roland and TimMighty.) And Fox, if you play your cards right you can still make up for X-Men 3 with a decent reboot-style intro to X-Men 4.
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At least the Silver Surfer looks like the Surfer.
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...for all the whine. Geez, most of you weren't even ALIVE when Marvel first printed FF, Hulk Spiderman, etc. I was in high school and about to head to Nam when Jack Kirby....GASP!....left Marvel to do New Gods, Forever People, Mister Miracle, Demon, and Kamandi (The Last Boy On Earth!) for DC. That was geek news...earth-shattering geek news. But I digress. When I was a youngster in the 50's and 60's, people who read comics, science fiction, and other "geek" stuff were considered to be idiots, fools, social retards, and so on. There was a a stigma attached to appreciating speculative fiction, probably dating back to the early pulps of the 30's and 40's. Yeah, where Heinlein got his start. And Clarke, Asimov, Pohl, Williamson, etc. Anyway, the point of my irritation is that most of you don't appreciate "geek stuff" going mainstream and big budget movies and TV shows appearing as a result. Is some of it total dreck? Yeah, I'd say so. Is some of it wonderful? Absolutely. Personally, I appreciate having a lot more to choose from without feeling the need to show up at the theatre with a paper bag over my head. I liked the first FF movie. Didn't love it, but certainly liked it. The new trailer looks pretty cool and I think I'll spend my $8+ on a ticket when it's released. Certainly, I'll give it a chance before passing judgement. Might do some of you good to do the same. Whole lot of diatribe going back and forth on something that's not even released yet. :o)
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Coool scene, no complaints. And the Silver Surfer is indeed silver and on a surf board. Kind of what it has to be. BUT after that first Tim Story shitfest, this one will be a rental at best. Don't be fooled.
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...and not change because his look doesn't "translate" from comic to movie. Yes, a 100 foot dude with a funny purple hat isn't as "cool" as some kind of robotic alien thing, but that just gives the image more power to work with. You see anything that was designed to look terrifying and imposing can only have so much emotional impact because it is apparent that there are artists who designed it to look that way. But it's possible to go from silliness, to strangeness, to absolute grotesque horror. A good director could use the odd design of Galactus to create more feelings of horror than any redesign. Can you imagine how surreal and grotesque it would be to see the original design of Galactus walking around in your own town?
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As in, let's get some for the whiny girls in this talkback so they can dance away their worries/desires to see a more well-muscled nude male form depicted in silver. Meanwhile, here's a question: WHo would win in a fight between The Silver Surfer and Oscar (the Acadamey Award) if you used Pym particles to either shrink the surfer down or enlarge Oscar? Oscar's clearly got the muscle tone, but Surfman's got that Power Cosmic. What if you took away Surfy's board and gave Oscar strength proportionate to the combined ego of every award winning actor and director in the history of Hollywood?
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Power Cosmic wins, 4 games to 2.
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...proportionate to the greed of every producer in Hollywood?
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...with go-to-commercial music every time Surfman starts a long philosophical soliloquy. Oscar can do that, too. You know...Oscar would be kind of a cool Adult Swim superhero. SOmebody get on that.
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Oscar has producer greed reflex power? And does the battle occur on Earth or in space? And I think Norrin would be unaffected by the music. Nothing stops his eloquent explanations as to why the bad guy is wrong once he gets on a roll...
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This trailer put Spidey 3's to shame. All of the wedding stuff is kind of silly out of context - they should've just started with the streak, "Flame On!", and the chase. Sure, the Surfer doesn't look like a real human being covered in metal on a surfboard, but it was pretty damn good and got the job done. And I thought the scene had great buildup. The edit where he dumps Johnny in the atmosphere needs some work, though - it could be more powerful. (It made me sad for the way they handled Superman Returns and the stifled imagination there.) They gave the Surfer new powers, but I would say it's not beyond the ability of the nature of his power cosmic anyway. Totally looking forward to this film!
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on this trailer putting spidey 3 to shame. I was pretty stoked for spidey 3, but that could be a product of already loving that franchise and knowing that the next movie will be good, if not great. FF2 is a different story, while I thought the first one wasn't as bad as other people here, I hated Doom. Dialogue painful to the ears at times...I do agree that this teaser was pretty damn cool, and I would see this ten times before ever seeing Transformers. Supes returns made me sad in other ways, like ignoring the effect of Kryptonite when it's in a giant rock that he lifts up into space.
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about their treatment of the Silver Surfer and him not coming across with enough personality and being more of a plot device. In terms of the look, though, everything is a-okay.
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Probably something from a food cart, wrapped in foil.
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If I remember correctly, wasn't it Alicia Masters who breaks the Surfer out of his shell?
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lackluster. It looks very by-the-numbers. It has no great moments and is telegraphing "This is Spidey's Empire Strikes Back". It is striking a pose and everyone is yawning. Sandman looks kind of cool, but making him the guy who killed Uncle Ben is just flat-out annoying. It's one of those things that screenwriters do because they don't trust that the audience will get Spidey's "motivation". We're in film 3 - who cares at this point? Sandman is a bad guy and robs banks. But lets not forget- Raimi wants to make EVERY villain sympathetic, another albatross to the Spidey films. Also, I suspect that people will not want to see Spidey be that dark after the last one. These films are way too overloaded with angst. Parker is an angsty character, but his sense of humor is not even utilized by Raimi. It's too soon for the symbiote story, and Raimi is already using formula.
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some seriously Bullshit goats.
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are changing that for the purposes of this film.
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...outer shells to get to a hero's creamy center, pillow talk. Oh, and Surfy can't have his board back. Ever. Keanu Reeves took it skydiving. He can have the Torch's snowboard from the first FF movie, instead. And the battle takes place on earth, during the Oscar telecast, where no one is immune to the power of the "wrap up" music.
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I don't think it looked lackluster, but I too have a big problem if in fact they have Sandman as the killer. That is complete and utter bullshit. I'm all for swaying a little from the comic 'norm', but that's ridiculous. And Spidey's lack of humor when battling the villians always set him apart from the othe heroes, but that is really a problem with the movie, and not what makes or breaks the trailer. But I do think there should be a fair amount of angst since Spidey/Pete is always getting shit on, yet he still fights on. The fact that we are even comparing Spidey to FF movies is a huge step forward for FF.
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...and the actress is capable of it. But I don't know if the story will carry it off here. While they got Ben right in the first film, the Alicia-Ben story fizzled. Instead of being a highly sensitive girl under the thumb of an evil father who responds to the goodness hidden beneath Ben's rocky frame, she came off as a good-timing blind broad hanging out in bars and turned on by his hardness. That was one area where the film just took it too far trying to maintain a party atmosphere. Made me wonder what sort of deal they struck with canadian liquor producers. Alcohol Product placement was all over that picture, and it really diminished the alicia-ben story
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can the Surfer have a sidekick then? Maybe Whoopie Goldberg? Billy Crystal?
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...by doing tequila shots and boilermarkers with chasers of Moulson Gold.
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Mr. Radd is a Maker's Mark kind of guy...
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...(for much-needed comic relief) and Joe Satriani (to try and counter the orchestra), but he also has to take Ashton Kutcher and Rob Schneider. No backsies.
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that's fine...they'll make good human shields. Does Kutcher come with Demi Moore too? Can I also have the 'Dog Pound' from Arsenio Hall? I don't think they're busy at the moment. Can the Surfer also wear those sneakers that double as skates? He's a bit lazy, hence the surfboard.
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a retread of the last film with some stuff changed around. it looks formula. Also, they can kill MJ and give me Gwen Stacy and I wouldn't care.
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but I'm more than willing to give Sammy the benefit of the doubt because I loved the first two movies. And my biggest gripe was the non-factor that Betty Brant played, besides not having Gwen until the 3rd one.
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And, of course, as the promoters of this fight, we each get ten percent of the door and a nifty celebrity gift basket. Which makes me wonder if anyone's considered Don King as Galactus. That guy can suck the life and energy right out of anything. And he'd be almost as funny as the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man, tromping around New York with twenty-foot-high hair.
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Because it had moments where it broke out of the mold. I was hoping Raimi would get braver for #3, but it doesn't look that way from the trailer. Of course, I could be wrong and it's not like I won't see it. The lack of humor really bothers me, though.
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...I have to agree that the lack of humor is a fundamental flaw in the SPidey movie series. I'm not sure how much of that is the script's fault, though, and how much of it is the result of casting Tobey. I swear, that guy reads everything with a mouth-full-of-Prozac mumble. Even if Petey is down and funky, SPidey should be glib and brimming with wise crackery (except when the green power ranger is dropping his gal pal off a bridge). On an only tangentially related note, I am tickled by the irony of complaining about a lack of humor in a post that begins "In all seriousness..."
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quite funny and has good timing. He has moments in the first two films where he makes a few quips so it's not the actor: it's the scripts and the director. I'm telling you: Raimi focuses inappropriately on angst in these films, almost to the point of them being DOWNERS. Which is weird considering the quirky humor in his earlier films, you think he'd be perfect for Spidey.
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For the same reason the Rocket Racer zips around on a skateboard, and the Dazzler originally used a freakin' disco ball to manifest her powers. Comic creators in the 1960s and 1970s loved grabbing hold of whatever the latest fad was three months earlier and applying it to some wacky new character. Stan undoubtedly thought, "Ooh, surfing's pretty fab with the kids these days: Jack! I wantcha to create a surfer super-hero (or villain), like now, Dad!" Somehow the square-hole/round peg concept worked in that instance, and a truly memorable character was born. Now let's watch Tim Story grind it into dust... but the trailer looked fine.
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I can't understand the lemming legion that is TB. Stalker deadbeat dad Superman is perfectly okay, yet spot-on executed DD isn't because of the playground tourney. A 6-foot 30-something chick magnet as Logan is okay, but a melodramatic Hulk isn't (despite many Tales To Astonish covers claiming it was a soap opera). Gordon driving the Batmobile in an origin story is okay, but Doom with hatred baggage for the FF and becoming a despot ruler of a third world nation as the last movie left us is not. It's okay that Rogue is a screaming little girl, yetr the Thing not having a protruding unibrow is not. And now, you people hate this adaptation of the Silver Surfer because he is silver and has pupils? After organic webshooters and a non-Russian Collossus?Methinks thou doth protest too much. The shot of SS just before Johnny says "cool" is fully realized Kirby. Those of you who claimed FF1 was missing his touch should have picked up on it.
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...Stalker SUperman gets plenty of shit on the talkbacks and a lot of folks (myslef included) agree that the DD director's cut was well executed despite the playground antics. The movie X-Men were pretty much embraced as an elseworlds version of the team we knew up until they tried to adapt the Phoenix saga and there is quite a bit of love for Ang Lee's Hulk to be found if you look and listen. I've really got no opinion on Gordon driving the batmobile other than that it made sense in the context of the movie and I hope you're right about where the FF sequel goes with Doom, as it would rectify one of my few complaints form the first film. Rogue was kind of a whiny little beeyotch back when she first showed up at the X-Mansion in the comics but that doesn't really matter when you accept that movie X-Men and comic X-Men were different animals. And the Thing didn't have the protruding unibrow in his earliest incarnations. He looked very much like Chiklis did in the movie. All of that said, I completely agree with you that criticisms of the trailer we saw for FF 2 aren't very well-founded and the claim that the Surfer is too Silver just comes off as silly for silly's sake.
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Just Google the words "silver" and "chrome" and SEE the difference for yourselves. Maybe the extra FX for the chrome finish could have gone to something else?
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I would have preferred a shiny white Surfer too, but after THE ABYSS and T2, ya knew it would be like those. If it was easier to make him shiny white, they'd probably done it. Anyone who grew up on The World's Greatest Comic Magazine would like the illustrated icon to be realized perfectly on film. Obviously with Story, that ain't gonna happen. But at the least we ask for some respect for the original material, to keep relationships and personalities close. To not make it up as you go. That didn't happen with FF1 and is becoming the franchise Avi Arad let get away by picking a couldn't care less, bush director, entirely out of his league. Almost universally this was considered a bad film, scoring barely above the throwaway '94 contractual 'effort' that was a lot truer to the material...... Yes, Thing should have been digitized and if a character had to be 'non-white', it would have been much better to be Ben Grimm than Johnny's white bread sis. Even the horrid rewrite of Doc Doom wasn't fatal. But when they brainstorm some lame ideas like Sue being a top geneticist, her shacking up with Doom, and Reed being some scatterbrained sniveling weakling because, "Gee, that would make this so much easier to fit our story line", instead of creating something memorable (or even passable).... it becomes an abomination. Not only was Alba miscast and miswritten, but with clothes on, she's not a good actress. It just shows the adoration of the comic that they could get this so wrong and it still draw a huge audience. So the Surfer being the wrong color or too silver and any other minor miscues is the least of our problems. They're gonna come up with a few scenes and effects they think are cool and won't break the budget, and then write THEIR story and characters around those. Nevermind the comic. Who cares? Obviously Story and Arad don't. I'll see it, but unless it can overcome the flaws of the first already built in, don't ask me to get excited over it. P.S. Don't look for Mr. Galactus until the final 3 seconds before fade out. .... And Sandman is Ben Parker's killer now? What a world, what a world. Hey, why not make it Lizard in SPIDER-MAN 5. Yeah, that's the ticket. Lizard did it! Or whatever villain is convenient at the time. Let's just make it up as we go, Marvel. Sheesh!
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Power Cosmic is to transmute matter. Which fits with a lesser version of Galactus's powers, but Surfer just mainly used it to blast people and propel himself.
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The eyes must go! "Eyes" as in pupils, irises (and the damn eyelashes from the pic posted last week).
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let's hope the actual movie is good
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Dec 28, 2006 6:15:34 PM CST
Actually, pillow, Surfer may prefer pills over drink...
by lettersoftransit
So I'm guessing he's an oxycontin kind of guy. He can prbably get prescriptions cheaper in Canada but can't take them here until Bush is sure they're "safe"
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With a single post you've underscored with pandering explanation that which I'd hope any garden variety TB poster would carry away from what I meant. And I mean that with endearment.PRECISELY!! THANK YOU!!No adaptation could ever hope to satisfy any diehard, myself included. All we can ultimately hope for is adhesion as close to the source as REASONABLY possible.Cripes, pupils on Story's Rand should be equally acceptible as pupils on the heralded (no pun intended) Singer's Storm. ALL PRAISE COMIC KING SINGER!!There's only three things that could make this FF2 adaptation better... Cast Dane Cook, Bernie Mac, and Joe Don Baker in secondary roles. I've been told in Transformer TBs that this trio spells box orifice gold regardless of the source material!
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Doesn't the Surfboard remind anyone of the mercury disk magneto uses to float from his prison in X2? The trailer was cool but I'm not sold on the SS movements just yet. He moves a bit jerky like most bad CGI. Other than that I likes. T-1000 my ass. Surfer was around in the old FF cartoons well before T2. Idiots.
Simple google search and voila the original cartoon. http://www.bcdb.com/cartoon_synopsis/10856-Galactus.html
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That's it. BSB is indeed a racist. He thinks that if you were to strip any homosapien down, remove their hair and then paint them silver that they'd look white. That is, CAUCASIAN, the color of the DEVIL.What's more is that they'd also be riding a surf board, which we all know is the instrument of the OPPRESSOR, the white man DEVIL. He who 'righteously' surfs over all of our oppressedd asses.
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Holy crap! I'd best not view this movie then. The Surfer is just trying to keep the people down! Down with the Surfer! Fight the Power!
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How soon we 'true comic fans' forget that Ben was the first Jewish superhero. Jewish as in who we were told he was, as opposed to clobbered over the head with as in Sabra and Apache Chief. "Eee-NUK chuck!"
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I can't believe I had forgotten the memmorably racist and hilarious "ee-nuk chuck!" line. That is pure comedic gold, fish. Good one!
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Which, coincidentally, was a black man in a black panther suit. Pretty keen creative skills, huh?
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Is give the surfer a chance.
A few things, Now I realize that everyone is going to form their own thoughts and opinions on a film, thats what keeps them from being total crap, and while the first film was far from good, it had potential, I believe this one has even more, For a few reasons.
1.) Doug Jones, the man played Abe Sapien people, if you're talking about an actor an honest to god theatrical performer (which is what brings credibility to these films) then this guy is it. He's an admittedly cronic nerd and has extreme respect for the genre, also he can bring a true performance to the role and nail the grace and fluidity of the surfer.
2.) WETA, come on people, these are the guys who did Gollum for gods sake, lets just wait and see what they come up with.
3.) Think about it, we could have gotten some overly dramatic weepy surfer instead we got a sufer who had the awesome cold vibe that he had to begin with, I mean play it out, we could have had fireballs and energy beam theatrics instead the character went practical and just bitch slapped the Human torch.
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it looks way better than the first movie, which I kinda liked. Really dig the last shot when Johnny is taken to task by losing all that oxygen and flaming out. Very cool and it shows Silver Surfer's power. I wonder how Johnny is going to survive that one. Otherwise, the movie looks servicable...which is more than you can hope for out of this franchise
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he can clearly transmute matter, maybe it's just, eh, tucked away.
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shot of power cosmic. To the face.
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There is a shot someone vid capped that shows SS junk. Looks like the whole thing too. check the silver package here. http://images.comicbookresources.com/reel/ff2/teaser_caps/ff2_teaser_33.jpg
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Silver or chrome Surfer? Who cares he looks good to me. I see most are still at it. I can see why people consider us laughing stocks. Fox pulls off the Surfer and people BITCH AND MOAN about the silver being crome or he should be white and blue, WTF??? Who cares if the color is off, which it isn't to me. How can someone complain about the Surfer's look? I just honestly can not see it. Are we looking at the same teaser? Nothing is going to be a perect translation, but The SS is pretty accurate to me. As for the CGI, well so the phuck what. I can spot all CGI. You think no one can tell that black suited spidey in the SM3 trailer doing all the flips isn't CGI? No wait the Sandman looks really real and not CGI, especially when he knocks the cops around? NEWS FLASH THE SYT LOOKED CGI. It's not bad, but I can easily tell. The Surfer looks on par with them. I give up. It's like trying to ice skate up all on this board.
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Harry shytted all over X3 and the first F4, but we get a cool looking trailer for F42 which nothing is wrong with and no comment from that man period. I guess he'll maybe say the same argument that some morons here are saying. The SS is to chrome looking. Such asinine stupity.
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...yeah. Exactly. He literally exploded when he saw "Superman vs. Kumar" but ...the Torch chasing SilverSurfer through NewYork ..seems to make him speechless..
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Yeah my personal thing is that the surfer was fine; there's a bunch of stuff they could probably do to sell it even more but hey, when he's speeding about and the camera is panning around and therefore losing detail through motion blur you pick your battles. They were right to concentrate more on the interactive flame effects on the cars and trucks as that would have been much more obvious if it was missing. There were a couple of strange line-of-action bits but that might just be cutting down a larger scene to fit the trailer (which is why you get so many flopped shots in trailers). The only thing that seems sorta weird to me is the Surfer's shoulders, but hey different folks have different phyiques so... Daniel Craig isn't CG at tall but the way he's built is bizarre - have a look at that shot where he's getting out of the water (that sounds like I dwell on it). What an ape!
As far as the Torch goes yeah his look is stylized but absolutely no more so than all those little ink strokes on the comic version that used to make him look BBQd! It comes down to performance and clarity not what some talkbacker thinks is 'canon' (which is still subjective interpretation as has already been proved here). Your average (not TBer) audience member would be a lot more pissed off if they're constantly trying to see through moving flame to the actor's expressions and mouth movement. It was funny to read somewhere here someone's complete misunderstanding of the whole 'V wears a mask' thing! Strangely enough, even though the majority of an action movie's dialogue is dubbed anyway, if you had the flame obscuring facial features the sound would instantly seem like narration or a Sergio Leone film at the very least.
The whole thing is sort of redundant anyway because you'd never in a million years show a 'realistic' effect of a body on fire! People aren't exactly going to be concentrating on the storyline or the performance if it seems like someone is honest-to-God burning alive the whole time. Talkbackers are eedjits sometimes. The Silver surfer's pupils also help to match eyelines with other characters on the screen instead of looking past/through them like a blind person. No matter what TBers say Comics do this very differently. I'm actually experimenting with this though with a bunch of character designs I've just done. It's sort of like the way you have 2d animated characters standing front-on, looking sideways talking to each other. Try seeing how stupid THAT looks in real life! Having done both movies and comics, one does not instantly tranfer to the other and you can do things with motion and composition that you can't do with juxtaposition and spatial tricks and vice-versa. Not to mention the difference between having to fill a few inches as opposed to using a 30-foot screen for your canvas. Then there's pre-press vs postproduction! ANYway, I like the Torch's heat-haze wake though. Same for SS's slipstream/warp. Sorry for the rant! Don't mean to sound arrogant, just giving you my subjective P.O.V. 'cause you asked! -
As an average TB'er, I think the trailer was pretty damn cool. Anyone complaining about his eyes or color of his skin is rather ridiculous. I liked his emotional detachment, which jives to how he first was before becoming 'humanized'. He seemed to move like how I thought the Surfer should move. Just curious, which movies/comics have you been a part of?
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Seriously, to everybody complaining about it: It's a guy surfing through space on a surfboard. Think about it. This movie was doomed anyway with the non-acting abiliites of Jessica Alba.
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Alba is never the problem in any movie (god bless her!). Hmmm...maybe I'm putting the pussy on a pedestal?
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That was very, very informative. To tell you the truth, I have no real problem with the look of The Human Torch, so much as the colorization just looks sorta like an animated color rather than a natural flame color. Again, this is only a nitpicky sort of criticism that doesnt really detract from the overall movie. Vader, could they have somehow improved the color/texture or whatever and still kept the design as we see him in film?
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is probably an avid swimmer and dancer. I had a couple of friends that were extremely active swimmers and dancers, and both of them were built very similarly.
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Yeesh, I need my coffee.
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good thing he got the power cosmic then!
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improved the Torch effect, and it looks like Chris Evans more than ever, which of course is not a bad thing. :) Evans and Chiklis were the best thing about the first film. I could watch a movie with just those two. One thing I have to say about Alba's hair is that it looks terrible in stills I've seen from the film. That is a nitpick, but it is a shame to make such a gorgeous girl look less attractive. And I think she's just fine as Sue and is not a terrible actress at all.
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about the hair styling in this film in general. They all look terrible. Evans looked much better with a buzz cut, Ian's hair is way too poofy and Alba needs a short bob like the character originally had. There.
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Surfer turns on Johnny and grabs him by the throat. That is a nice threatening and understated display of the Surfer's control over his power. Basically, he was toying with Johnny or testing him the whole time.
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is when the Surfer flips down underneath his board and stares back at Torch, calculating what this 'thing' is doing following him. And if your biggest complaint is the hairstyle, I think this movie will be head and shoulders (not matter the shape of the Surfer's apparently) above the first one.
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stop and turning on him is unexpected during a chase sequence. I thought it was a clever way to display his power. Hey, I admitted it was a nitpick about the hair, but I am a chick and so I pay attention to those things. There is a person who gets paid to style these guys like superheroes ya know. :)
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Since I am watching the first eppy on t.v. right now I thought I would take some time out to vent. ABC Family channel runs the series. It spits on what is good about Superman and the terrible Superman Returns could not have been made without its smarming up of a great hero.
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that the whole trailer was better than expected. Perhaps Norrin's power cosmic mucked up the hero's hair? And I never got into Smallville, so feel free to distain/detest it as much as you like. I recently got around to watching Superman Returns, and while I don't dispise it like most on this site, there were numerous problems with it to state the obvious. But it didn't bother me as much because I prefer Batman over Superman anyways.
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Supes. I like both for different reasons and think they complement each other like the rest of the DC pantheon and what they say about human nature. I like Supes for his goodness and earnestness and Batman for his intellect and dedication to justice.
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missed the mark entirely for Supes. The wrong villian was chosen..oh wait, maybe we should bring back Lex yet again and have him create a lake in the middle of NYC! That way, he can sell lakeside property! Oh, the evil, evil, wicked evil man!
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that Rosenbaum's Lex is a very good version of the evolution of that character. They should've titled the show Lex and made it about him. You really want him to give Abercrombie Clark that Kryptonite shiv!
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...as a hairstyle consultant for this franchise. Those observations were right on. Ans surfman's build isn't entirely unlike a cyclist friend of mine's. He's skinny as all get out but apparantly constructed entirely of reinforced steel rods and cable-like musculature. Makes me feel like a pudge even though I weigh just over 180 at six feet and keep in decent shape. Which reminds me, does the Surfer even eat? I thought he was more like one of those Yoga nuts who fasts for weeks on end and sustains himself on sunlight/cosmic rays.
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He sort of loses a lust for life when he first becomes herald. But he didn't come across as that passionate of a person when he was Radd, either, coming from a society like Krypton. The one thing he was passionate about was Shalla-Bal. Which I will say again, The Fountain was the best Silver Surfer movie ever!
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The way Kirby drew her, who wouldn't be passionate?
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If you like a real good storyline- you should check out that one.
It starts out with Ultimate Nightmare, Ultimate Secret and ends in Ultimate Extinction.
Personally, I think it would go over much better especially concerning Reed's intellect. It would really give him an opportunity to truly shine.
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was all that. Now Buscema's Shalla Bal was a mega babe, but then so were all his women.
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Panties is the term used for women, so panty lines would imply vagina. But not guarantee it. And to infer a penis is counterintuitive. Or gay. But certainly not imperative.
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Panties is the term used for women, so panty lines would imply vagina. But not guarantee it. So to infer a penis is counterintuitive. Or gay. But certainly not imperative.
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Her hair looked a lot better in the 1st, even though it was a dye job. You can't really complain about it and I don't fault Alba, cause she should never have been cast. There are enough blonde actresses that could've fit the bill. Alba's hair is to dark to be colored blonde and putting her in blue contacts? Would've been easier To cast a Julia Stiles or that Sarah Wynter that was rumored. Even though I'm complaining about her, God I still love her and she is Sue now movie wise. In the long run FOX made I guess a decent enough descion to cast her for the babe factor. The wig however in the F42 looks awful and takes away from her beauty.
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Thats not what I was looking at...
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Drew the finest women. Leiko Wu was finer than a MOFO! The problem with Kirby was that his women was all titties and no azz. John Bucema was pretty good too. The babes he drew in the Conan comics (especially the Black & White Savage Sword of Conan) was right up there with Frank Frazetta.
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First, sorry for the appalling grammar & typos. Gotta stop posting at 2 in the morning! Doggy, haven't really considered about the texture/colour thing. Hafta have a bit of a think about that, it's an interesting question!
Pillow talk, no way am I gonna tell what stuff I've been on as it'll bring a shitstorm down and I'll never be able to post again without copping it! Even in this TB people are still howling about certain big flicks. Suffice to say a few big flicks, a few small ones. I know that makes me a tease but like I say I will go and post at 2am! Sorry, I'm protecting my back, ha ha.
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Actually,I have been doing graphic design professionally for almost 15 years and I am an art director for a magazine (REPS!). So I have more than passing knowledge of photoshop and the printing process. I could have got all into pantones and plates but I was just trying to keep it simple. They don't use special colours on the inside of a magazine normally, just the covers. I actually used silver for the lettering on the cover of an American Curves Lingerie Special I did recently (on sale now! lol). In the body of a magazine you can get a lot closer to silver nowadays than you could have in the sixties. Would Kirby have coloured him differently if the technology and printing were more advanced? Who cares? Kirby's Surfer kicked ass! See the film Crimson Tide for the definitive debate.
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Kirby's surfer does kick arse! Yeah halftone screens are a lot higher now than in the sixties but with all respect I feel it has more to do with the stock that allows for a much higher linescreen as we're still using CMYK for the most part.
Sorry I was so harsh up there, re-reading it I went to town a bit with my kneejerk reaction - there are a lot of geeks out there that think a bit of photoshop knowledge makes them omnipotent when it comes to this stuff and it gets my goat sometimes. I was a graphic designer for 15 years too then switched more and more to film & TV stuff (makes me sound REALLY old - I started very young). I still agree to disagree - CMYK is essentially the same as it always was but better stock means higher screens and therefore better reproduction of the tonal range and less gain on the press (when the printers don't flood the baths and send it through at a million miles an hour). You could also argue that even though digital plates mean increased quality in some respects they've also introduced idiosyncratic problems especially a the top of the tonal range.
I know specials are used all the time for mastheads and cover text but I thought we were talking about actual artwork, sorry if I misunderstood. The vast majority of the time the special is used as a spot/flat colour with no tonality at all. It does take some getting used to but tonal specials extend the gamut and look awesome when done right (too bad you can't really proof 'em properly). Dave McKean has experimented with metallic specials a bit. I tend to put them second last in the printing order with black last to keep everything crisp. Of course any Gustave Klimt book that doesn't add silver and gold PMSs is really missing something.
It's too bad that printers never embraced hi-fi colour (CMYKRGB) or at least stochastic printing back in the nineties. People wouldn't believe how much better that stuff looks but then again I guess if you've got a thousand-buck inkjet printer that's exactly what you've got anyway. Be nice to see for regular printing like say, a lingerie special! I'd buy that thing right now if I was over there - being a fan of printing techniques and all. Ahem.
Never seen Crimson tide somehow. Hafta check it.
Justice, yeah I guess they woulda needed to make it a wider lens with one hand splayed out in front for the ultimate Kirby. Heh.
I just decided the effects suck. When that cold wind blows through and invisible girl grimaces there should be - NIPPLES ON ALBA! -
That halftone/cmyk stuff still didn't make much sense, did it? One weird thing now is those really low GSM stocks that are so glossy you can't hold them without having a big-arse blinding highlight all over the page making it impossible to see anything. Blehh.
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I love ya pal. Like a fat kid loves cake.
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Time for a new user name (again)...
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Well, in my opinion (which I'm nowhere near an authority, just a nerd in athletes clothing) he does it's just hidden. I kinda go with the new ultimate marvel version of the surfer, that he and the board are one. Which, I know purists would be up in arms over and say it was too T-1000, but it made sense, it kinda implied that the cosmic nature of the being (wow, i really don't think theres any way to say this stuff and not sound like a long winded jackass) allowed him complete control over his body. Kind of like he makes up how his body and the board operate, so when he wants the equipment its there. I dont know, I think underwear lines would have looked goofy and unless it was a Frank Miller surfer we couldn't having his mini surfer flying in the cosmic wind sooo... I go with somewhat liquid metal.
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Dude, did you call me "Loser"??? WTF for? I didn't say shit on the Silver Surfer's look or CGI's?
Except (on another Post I think) that it did look a little bit hard to accept and was hoping for more work on it, but as far as it goes, I'm not downplaying this Trailer, it actually made me want to see the movie...
I figure that the effects will be good enough for a good movie, I'm just hoping that they don't screw too much with origins, or change up too many things.
The first movie was flawed, but then again it wasn't has bad as Hulk (I'm talking storylines here.. not effects) or Daredevil (Which missed it's "greatness" by casting Affleck - I like the guy, just didn't believe him as Daredevil - and mediocre directing)... As far as FF no 1, I wasn't please with some aspects like the Ben Grimm Costume (That should've been CGI all the way - Even if I loved CHilkis being cast would've been better I think) or the whole "how they came to become the FF", but other than that I still enjoyed it and watch it again from time to time when it plays on the Movie Channel over here...
So why the shit about me being a Fu**ing loser all of a sudden??? OH! Was it Superman Returns? Yeah well that was one that I was really pulling for to beat Spiderman's record, hell even Titanic's billion take on the industry, but when I saw what Singer did, all hopes went down the drain and I think most people agreed since it barely reached the 200 millon mark when it should of surpassed all of them. They flawed the character from head to toe but in an unrespecting way of 50 years of traditions, and Singer did specificaly said that this would/should be viewed as the actual "Superman 3" movie. So Yes I was pissed and went haywire on their movie, but when you expect your childhood heroes to come back to life after a 20 years on a break, you expect only the best. CGI for this movie, was actually some of the best (Yes you can see most of the CGI, but still made me believe in some of the stuff, I would give the Oscar to that team).
As far as CGI tech goes, it's never perfect, but has Moondoggy said, it will beat out having claymation or cartooning over the film...
And I don't see how they could do Surfer any other way. Hell if you do actually work in this field yourself, then I raise my hat off to you, because the time it takes to get everything togheter for one 2 minute scene is obviously demanding work, so a complete movie with this? wow! Seriously, they have way more patience than me.
For those who are appalled at the sight of him looking all T1000 on us, you must remember that Cameron had "Copied" the design off the Surfer, not the other way around, so it's obvious that they basically look the same. I don't remember him going thru his board in my comic collecting years, but I can accept this change (if they actually are the ones who invented it not the comics).
I'll accept the CGI missing the beat to look perfect, as long as they bring us something that is good moviegoing and worth sitting in on for two hours... -
Came from Ultimate extinction I believe, in it the surfer was actually many surfers who infiltrated the earth and set up cults to "prepare" themselves for the coming of Gah Lak Tus as they said it in the books. It was kinda cool if you aren't totally stuck on classic interpretations, in a really cool sequence Xavier "touched" minds with Gah Lak Tus and it in anger sent a head a weapon, Instead of rereading the whole thing, I'll just post the link to the page - http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/ultimates.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35227, http://groups.msn.com/ultimatespidermanonlinecomic/ultimates.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=35228, really cool effect i thought, but its all up to the individual
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Saw what you worte up there. I'm 90% in with you on the whole "Now you complain that the Silver Surfer is SILVER?!" post.. But One thing I think I can clarify for you is that Colossus being non-russian, easy, that actor looked the part, but just didn't have the range to speek with the accent. :)
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I guess Cameron "copied" a little bit from them, and they copied a little bit off him... I guess it's all up to the individual has you said.. I kinda liked the original one but has long as they capture was is being done in the comics, and not the other way around... I'm amazed that DC didn't go for the Singer costume yet... Guess the box office told them not to... The Organic Spiderwebs was ok for the movie didn't mond not seeing the shooters under the costume, but I heard that Marvel as incorporated it in the comics? I really hope not, that would take away from some of the good moments from the Spidey "nerdy-tech-guy" who did all these great things with his web shooters to face off against certain foes!
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Spidey has the organics in the comics. Jeez I'm still at a lost as to why this is a big deal. So the man makes his own webbing now? I say better in my opinion.
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I was referring to the end of one of your posts where you went on about 'loosers' a couple of times (God knows I can't see it now, maybe it was another TB), and how the whole WORLD seems to have have forgotten how to spell it over the last coupla years. I know that and the then/than thing makes me an anal spelling nazi or something but I just can't help it, it drives me crazy. So anyway sorry I wasn't trying to say you were a big loser (sorry looser ;)), just that you'd said it. Hopefully if you re-read the post you'll see what I mean. Besides, I make plenty of mistakes too!
I agree with a lot of what you say and have taken people to task many times about the redundancy of their "Looks CG" barbs (because if it's within the context of something that doesn't take place in real life like say A SUPERHERO MOVIE then of course your brain knows it's not/doesn't look real) and the stupidity of comparing it to older techniques that are every bit as 'fake' no matter how much we love them. I also think maybe the Thing should have been CG or at least 2d comped-in like LOTR. The main thing that bugs me though is that one thing (huh!) about the Thing in the comics is that he has a strong 'designed' look that's quite iconic. I like the finish/texture of the suit O.K. but he just looks like a big pile of rocks, not a specific design that stays in your mind. As others have said the brow ridge would probably work. Maybe not the orangutang muzzle so much as would really muck with clarity of mouth movement. It's probably a Hellboy situation. Maybe something closer to Yoda's mouth (but more rocky) or halfway between the two. His bottom teeth look too small and human too and inconsistent with the rest of his 'bulkyness'. I don't think it's a question of prosthetics vs CG as much as nondescript prosthetics vs strong visual design vs too 'cartoony' (bad word in this case but you get my drift). I know all this makes me seem like Mr. Know-it-all but I'm really just offering opinions and speculating, not pontificating. One more thing about the Thing is that the comic look works beautifully for print because in every panel his design actually reflects his personality even though it's a still image. The gruffness, the humour, it's all there. On film it's a very different ballgame and doing the same thing can actually hurt the character. It's not a 'mask' in the same way as many other Superheroes. Chiklis is a good actor so why step on his toes? I'm sure there's a happy medium and maybe in this one or another he will 'evolve' to something more indelible?
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Thanks Founder, Still I liked it when he was fixing or improving the shooters before. I don't think it should matter whether or not Spidey makes his own webbing in the comics, but I find it that they always do it after they see it in the movies. They should've come up with it before the movie came out.Vader - Ok.. Guess I read it wrong, yep I do typos, even easy words like "Loser". But most of my post I do them after 11pm 'round here. But then again TB's aren't/shouldn't be a spelling contest. It's entertainment not a spelling bee, so why should we always be on each others case 'bout it?Also I was saying that Chilkis is great casting for the Thing, I don't mind him at all. He's doing great under that pile of rocks. I was mostly pointing out (little bit like you did in the last post) that CG would've been cool for the Thing. His size and "bulk" could've been better. When you see a pic of all 4 togheter, he's the shortest guy there... I would've liked to see him be more "Thing" like...
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Maybe it was FreefingerS, the one who took my username and added an "s" to it... Gotta say that he picked a fight with someone and it backlashed at me once, gotta be carefull about that little "s"... I know there are Freefinger Clones out there, but when they pop-up from time to time, at least they post a number at the end and makes it a little bit more obvious that it's not coming from me. With Freefingers, it's a little less obvious and one user thought it was me?
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http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/2006/12/29/links-and-thoughts/
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Ah, that could be it. Why so many clones? It must be a reference I don't get. As for typos yeah we all make 'em, me included (I do reread before I post though. However anal I am though I just don't buy the it's entertainment/the net/doesn't matter thing because this is the way we write these days and if it doesn't matter when you're writing on a computer when DOES it matter? Besides which, if this is a forum for airing our niggles I should be able to state mine too without the inevitable landslide that follows. Not only that but it's hard to believe these people could actually write properly in another context "if we wanted to", know what I mean? People don't write letters to each other anymore; everything is electronic, emails or TBs. I'm not having a go at you, it's just that we've got to the point now where ignorance and lousy writing is actually defended as a badge of honour here which is about the dumbest thing I've ever seen. Again, I'm not talking about the odd typo but defence of crappy grammar in general. The "I reserve the right to be stupid/write like I SMS" (not to mention the whole spellchecker/dictionary stuff) thing. You've seen it here. Man, if I needed a calculator like the chick who couldn't even work out how much my pizza cost on paper, I wouldn't be boasting about it (and I'm awful at maths)!
That wasn't meant to be a rant and I'm really not bagging you. I'm just giving you my personal opinion which happens to be the opposite of most people on these TBs. I make mistakes all the time as generally I post really late at night too which probably doesn't do me any favours either! I didn't even bring up apostrophes! Peace?
Back on topic, how the HELL can you make The Watcher work on film? The only thing I can think of is some weird hydrocephalic thing like Chris Cunningham's Rubber Johnny, but then the audience would freak every time he came on! Galactus' purple bits can be some metal flake treatment I guess but what about the hot pink? I don't think we can go 'G1' there! Although I did see some comic art where he looked the same except that the colour scheme had been changed to black and silver/chrome (ha!). -
Hey.. just got back... Happy New Year guys... Already 'been 48 minutes in the new year and with a kid, you get back home early. No prob Vader, no offense taken. And of course peace, never was war in the first place. I was just wondering why all the hate from before but you cleared it pretty fast, no damage done.The Clones things? Well my dumbass posted my first password for all to see, and I didn't know where to go to change it, so, as you can imagine, I was the first one to ever post every .0005 seconds on the talkbacks, it was amazingly funny, but Harry and Co. had to ban me, I pleaded to get it back and they understood (Thanks Again Harry!). You missed a hell of a party with that one.Anyhow gotta go to sleep the wife is looking at me funny, so before I sleep in the basement on the first day of 2007, I bid you goodnight!
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I was (italics) actually there for that one. Heh. It WAS pretty funny from the other side of the fence though. I'm always scared I'll do the same thing. Whoo!
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I didn't hate the first half as much as I thought I would. The 4 themselves were fine. I had no problem with them at all. My biggest issue was Doom. Just the acting, everything from Doom was horrible. I am looking forward to this one.
Now the way to end this one though, is to end it with the Atlantic Ocean rising up to attack New York and Namor riding the tallest wave, demanding for Sue's hand in marraige. Cut to credits and you have an effective lead in for a third part which is where Reed and Sue finally get married. That is the way to really appease the fans.
Otherwise, the Surfer looks really badass. Definitely inspired by the Alex Ross artwork which is certainly effective for the purposes of the movie. I will definitely see this one in the summer...
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