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Optimus stands tall and proud on the cover of Empire!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here! Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!
I couldn't just post the depressing Christmas news from this morning and leave it at that. I've also got a little something that'll cheer some of you up and have others heatedly saying the below is equal to Batman's nipples or something. Either way, it'll make for a fun Christmas afternoon.
The good folks at TFW2005 got an early scan from Empire Magazine's upcoming Transformers cover with Optimus Prime standing tall... It must have been really cold during the shooting of the cover... he's got a serious case of headlights going on if you know what I'm talking about... suckers are blinding...
Paramount, Dreamworks, Bay or Spielberg... whoever decided on pushing Prime... is making a smart move. He is Transformers to many people and he's also the only design that is immediately recognizable from the cartoon.
The trailer was pretty damn kick-ass... can't believe Aaron from 24 popped up in there... and the more I see I become at once saddened and excited. My theory from the sets and preproduction meeting with Bay seems to be coming true. It looks like we're in for a helluva fun giant robots run amuck popcorn action Michael Bay film, with the barest of hints of recognition from the cartoon. However, that's all just based on the glimpses in the trailers... the visuals. If we see these robots actually acting like the ones we know and love, see their characters transfer over, then we could all be in for a pleasant surprise July 4th weekend.
Anyway, enough of my ramblings. Enjoy the pic, enjoy the season and have fun cleaning up all that damn wrapping paper! Thanks to "Blah" for the heads up.
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I really hope they don't screw this up but it's Hollywood so they will
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My finger is still cramping from hitting the mouse to replay the trailer. Too cool - Merry Christmas BTW.
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I think that looks great. Really clasic combined with movie cool. Yea the flames kinda look stupid, but the robot is cool. The only thing that wories me is that the other robot designs dont look like the cartoon characters, I have seen bumblebee and he does not look like bumblebee. Heres to hoping they try and at least make them look SOMTHING like the robots in the series.
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Been reading it in the bath. Due anotehr bath tomorrow. Will tell you what happens.
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Merry Christmas!
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I just hope the movie is entertaining, already decided to throw away all the expectations I carry from the comic to the toys to the TV show.
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I don't care what they look like. I care that the script isn't Transformer centric. Optimus should be the star not the kid that owns bumblebee. Oh well, there'll hopefully be more depth to Optimus in the inevitable sequel.
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Because his head looks abnormally small. Exactly what size is abnormal for a robot head though? And why no hat-wearing Transformers? No style at all, really, with those fellas. Anyway, see ya!
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Take a look at an original Optimus figure, then look at this picture. Check out the size of the headlights, the wheels, the doors...what, does the railer transform as well or something? Ugh.
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That fucking piece of trash needs to rethink what he's doing to a potentially great franchise. FLAMES FUCKING BLOW!!! FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON BATMAN
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Just like the trailer.
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for Bay so personal? ie saying stuff like i hope he dies. I can understand criticising his movies. But to criticise him seems unfair. besides we are looking at this movie through the internet. This is a big screen movie.
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or not.
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Not ten and certainly not a million. But a fiver and not a fiver I get from breaking a fifty (who am I kidding, a twenty). It's a fiver I found in my pants back pocket, moments before I gave them their bi-yearly washing.
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Really, it's not just a movie. It's time & money & effort & emotional involvement (good or bad). Those things add up and for some, more than others.
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It's bad enough we don't have Soundwave.
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I don't know about this, the trailer looked like this will be an alright movie to see... At least if this completely sucks, I can always just watch the animated Transformers movie. I just want to know when that live action Jetson's movie is going to get made.
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Optimus on Empire = Demi Moore on Vaniy Fair
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That's like comparing "Colorized Three Stooges" to "Greedo Shoots First."
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Say whatever shit you want about that image, but it's iconic to me.
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I dig this. I really don't HATE Optimus' design and with he intense lighting and glowing eyes, its cool.
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I bought the toy, saw the cartton . I am 32 years old and After watching the trailer I dont seem to want to do what the rest of you want and that is to burn down bays house with him in it. Its almost as if bay has crossed a line or something by making this film. Its a summer movie. that is all and to attach some form of emotional involvement to the cartoon that is the part that creeps me out. Most people but away thier chilhood things.
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Who gives a shit if he has flames, it's the most insignificant visual thing to bitch about I have ever heard.
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ed of ET and wont see it . I saw that movie and I couldnt understand the berg's decision to remove the guns. He said it had something to do with 9/11. But i dont buy that.
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Wouldn't it look stupid if the live-action Optimus Prime looked the same as the cartoon one? Certainly it'd become something similar to "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" Or maybe not. Anyway, they said they tried the original Optimus design during pre-production and reportedly it looked stupid. I believe 'em.
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Bay tried to make a real movie with The Island and it was a commercial underperfromer. I think this will make him go back to relying on his worst instincts as a filmmaker. The trailer looks great but every Bay film makes a nice trailer. His movies are undeniably pretty. Hell, Pearl Harbor had a great looking trailer. I think he should go back to making commercials since he clearly has not idea how to tell a story.
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i cant understand why ppl are moaning the design looks great and i grow up with transformers.
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I think people hate Bay because of the fact that he took so many liberties with a franchise that wasn't broken. I believe we were promised a G1 movie when it was announced only to have them renege and then have Bay direct. Bay might be able to do good explosions and dumb entertainment, but having waited to see this on the big screen for 20 years I was expecting a hell of a lot more in terms of script, production design, characters, and yes, the director. With that said, I think many people feel the same, even moreso given the fact that people hate Bay with a passion, and that he has never made a movie that is worth watching over and over. Will this movie rock? I think to the lowest common denominator, yes. Me, I want something I've never seen before with a proven director who's worth his salt. Michael Bay doesn't even come close.
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But I found ET's stupid cgi face (floating eyes and so on) far more revolting then the missing guns. Still he could teach Lucas a lesson on how not to piss off fans while meddling with movies.
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Just in case Bay's attention span is short.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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any of you that know my posts know my unholy obsession with nerd arguments. I can't get enough! when the dude above posted about how this wasn't a scoop due to superherohype.com getting it 2 days ago, I laughed WAY too hard. how can that even be a site? anyway, a huge pic of optimus and the ensuing "nerdscussion" is the best Xmas present I could ever have asked for!
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people who are emotionally invested in the fucking Transformers need to get a life. The less similar the designs are and the more you hate it, the more the intended audience...children, will like it.
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Please help me understand - What is there to fuck up about the Transformers in taking it to the big screen? It was badly written, was badly animated, and had terrible character designs. The big bad guy was a gun. That's as laughable as the robot building that Tom Hanks mocked in Big.
"If we see these robots actually acting like the ones we know and love..."
Is this a different Transformers than the one I remember? Because the Transformers I remember was populated by one-dimensional cartoon characters with as much individual characterization as the Smurfs.
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The photo that is. I don't know if its th photo f the mag, or the mag itself, but I think its a bit of a bad move using a pic of Optimus thats really not all that detailed. It looks a bit cartoonish, of course maybe thats what they wer shooting for, but I would have went all Car and Driver and made sure every inch of him shined. I love the design though. I just wish Starscream looked this good.Seriously, that's the main thing thats irking about this film. Fucking Starscream. He should be a dick, not a "cock-monkey".
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Dont give a shit about James Brown. Dont know him.....never will. Transformers looks damn good. All those idiots who want the original designs. Hire aload of wrestlers wearing cardboad box costumes painted by some kids. You fuckers would be bitching if they used the origenal design, on screen it would look so shit. Although, i thing Bumblebee should still be a Beetle. Paint work on optimus? Dont care. Worse case senerio.....bay could of made him a skoda. lol
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I dislike his chest, but the rest of him isn't bad, I guess. I agree with those that say this image looks a bit cartoony, and not in the good overall design, but in the lack of realistic detail. Part of that might be the lack of a realistic background to ground it in reality. As long as they don't kill this guy and make Hot Rod the leader, things might yet turn out mediocre. This slightly corrected Prime seems to indicate they are bending to the will of the fans. I wonder how much that pisses off Bay and/or Murphy to have their "vision" rejected before the film even comes out. Hopefully next up is a corrected Starscream and a corrected script.
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Well now, it looks like Optimus Prime, It'll sound like Optimus Prime, I don't see why SO many people are bitching....I mean we "could" have this instead.
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And I can't abide the attitude any longer. Prime looks great, I'm still optimistic, and I think this movie stands a good chance of surprising everyone.Merry Fuckin' Christmas.
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They could keep'em on his forearms or better yet change the color scheme of the flames so they're not so..what's the word...oh yeah GAY! Nailing Optimus, and to a lesser degree Megatron, is the key to making the movie work if at all watchable. Fuck the human perspective! Who out there thinks Shitty Lebarf, Fergies boy toy or Black Ty are going to make this movie a blockbuster? They aren't the ones selling tickets, nobody cares if they win or lose. Every single person interested in seeing this is going for one reason, the fucking TRANSFORMERS! Example: Ang Lee and The Hulk. Ang Lee is a great director, he creates characters and stories that become the FOCUS of the movie. BUT!!! Hulk failed or at least disappointed because no one was interested in a character driven piece because HULK SMASH, he doesn't emote. The Transfomers themselves are the focal point and thats how the movie should be treated. Optimus & friends vs. Megatron & cohorts creating a shit storm on earth, THEY are the main ingredient while the humans should be no more than a pinch of salt...and pepper, sorry Ty.
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I am just posting on christmas to document my patheticness :(
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they were at the tail-end of my childhood, and a blatant lame merchandising attempt whichever way you look at it, and a shit cartoon at that, AND it's now a film by Mr Bay... after seeing the trailer, I cannot frigging wait to see big alien robots smashing each others heads in. Nice cover.
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These transformers threads are definitely getting super-duper creepy, and the haters have lost their minds. I save my personal hatred for those who might, say, kick my dog or punch me in the nose for no particular reason. Bay is a guy who does what he does and he does it well, hating him for making good popcorn flicks is absolutely absurd. Even if they were bad popcorn flicks it would still be absurd. So he got hired to turn a cherished childhood memory into a movie and he's not doing it the way you like it. Deal with it. No need to ratchet up the petty animus for man who you will never meet. Sheesh. Talkbacks in general have come a long way from what they used to be (though the Sly talkbacks gave me hope), but this Transformers shit is getting absurd. Oh yeah, whomever is bitching about being "promised" a true G1 flick and now you're not getting it, grow the fuck up. I don't think anyone promised you anything but a movie based on transformers, and certainly not personally, and life is about disappointment anyways, so let's tone down the rhetoric. WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO JUST WAITING FOR THE MOVIE TO COME OUT AND WATCHING IT BEFORE BITCHING ABOUT HOW BAD IT IS?
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Verily GIANT and convincingly ROBOT.I think they nailed enough of Optimus to be sufficiently Optimus - we'll see whether or not it excuses the other liberties, or exacerbates them.HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JESUS!
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Truth in the flesh. The origenal transformers only looked like that cos of the animation techniques at the time. Who wants blocky robots? That would be so shit.
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Mentioned something about leading a million-man-march against this movie. All I gotta say is can I be your second in command? Seriously.
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The trailer didn't say this would be a comedy!!
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I got news for you. The cartoon was dumb entertainment. Its soul purpouse was to sell the toys. I'm a huge fan of the original cartoon but it wasn't deep and there wasn't anything to the scripts or characters because it was made for little kids. ...So by your reasoning it sounds like Michael Bay is the perfect choice to direct this movie.
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It's all a crazy exaggerated realm, kids. My generation, 20+ yearolds still remembers when all this broadband and youtube shit didn't exist and we had to wait ten minutes or more for one friggin page to load. Oh we had it tough in the old days, fucking dialup... ;0
That's why I don't take all this Bay hate seriously. His movies are ok junkfood. Who the fuck doesn't like junkfood?
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Seriously, did they think adding the front of the truck would help? He still doesn't look like Prime and this doesn't help those fucking awful designs for any of the other Autobots. I hope this film flops so badly Bay has to go back to directing music videos and torture porn.
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What better publicity could a filmmaker ask for? You've just pushed the weekend numbers through to Pirates watersToo many people are bound and determined to hate on this film because of some REALLY SILLY fealty to the source material. I love Transformers - I always have. And I fondly remember when Eric Idle's garbagebot led the autobots in a rousing chorus of "Dare to be Stupid." Transformers are cool because of the premise. I can tolerate the characters I know and love staying as cartoons, and this film being an exploration of a really fucking cool idea.
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Sorry. But while i was sorta feeling kinda sorry for the nerds who wanted boxy toy models, after seeing that i don't fucking care anymore. There's a reason those people at ILM get paid a shitload of money and that there photo is justification; anyone who thinks that looks shit is, quite frankly, a fucking sad bitter individual. Roll on July.
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I can't understand how people can get so worked up over this. I mean, isn't it all based on a children's toy? What is the artistic merit of a hunk of plastic built by an eight-year-old Cambodian kid?
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It seems like the film-makers have hired some people to spread some positive buzz around here by talking rubbish about people getting worked up. Get lost guys, we know you're plants and that Bay's designs look shit.
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O.k., so it's not the exact, headlight for headlight, tire for tire design from the cartoons but it's not looking that bad to me. I'll hold off final judgement till I'm walking out of the theatre that 4th of July weekend. I don't get it. People condemning the film before anyone has even seen it. Production, design, script, etc... This film could be fun. Bay could have only learned from his past films, what worked and didn't work, and we may get a pretty good film out of it. By the way, I think the Silver Surfer design looks pretty good also. Can't wait to see him in motion. And oh yeah, Merry F'n Christmas...
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I think theres a fucking shitload of haters who are changing their tune radically; they admit it. Looks like they'll be giving Michael Bay their money this year after all.
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I'm just not a douche.
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I guess the regulars at tfworld and seibertron are all on Don Murphy's paylist too eh? Get a clue you simple cunt. Why dont you and Phategod go fucking lurk in a shithole somewhere since you're only posting here on Transformers talkbacks. I think YOU my friend are the fucking conspiracy here; a conspiracy of nerds hijacking this site to push your theory that EVERYONE at AICN hates the new Transformers flick. Please. Fuck off.
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Just someone with a level-head. It looks badass to me... lifetime transformer fan. Take from that what you will.
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Do you guys even understand what FLAMES ON PRIME=NIPPLES ON BATMAN even means? It means Bay has Schumachered Transformers, it means Broderick's Godzilla, X3, AvP, any Hollywood remake, LXG, Superman Returns, and of course Batman & Robin.
How can you people not be sick and tired of Hollywood telling you something you love is shit and going ahead and remaking it in their image? How can you defend Bay when he has admitted knowing nothing about Transformers and has made a film about a boy and his first car? This movie is not about the fucking Transformers it's named after, and that comes directly from the mouth of the goddam director.
Our passionate hatred of this film isn't just about the Transformers, it's also about how most of Hollywood thinks we the genre fans don't fucking matter at all. Thank god there's people like Sam Raimi and Peter Jackson out there who actually give 2 fucks about their source material.
You guys remember Raimi and Jackson right? Spidey and LOTR have made near $1 billion each, or how about the Harry Potter films also true to their source and also raking in near $1 billion each?
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It's very simple.
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How can you possibly say that TF will do Fantastic Four money when it's clear that the people at the Transformers fan sites, who were ALL fucking raggin on this movie, are changing their tune and saying they are psyched for July.For the record, as much as this pains you, hollywood is telling NO ONE, what to like and dislike. Everyone who has posted a positive post about that image has drawn that conclusion for yourself. Face it. You are the minority here.As for Sam Raimi and Peter Jackson, as much as i love Transformers the franchise does not compare to Lord of the Rings. No where fucking near.
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All he's missing is the Minigun on the arm. Is Nancy Allen far behind?
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talkback has more post that this cartoon robot.
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Or did he? *scratches chin*
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He makes flashy slideshows for smucks that have the attention span of a methed out pug. Let Speilberg take absolute control, his quasi endeavors are better than Bay's "howdidwebecomeblockbusters"!
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Rob Campbell
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Or do you want a Movie?
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Take off the Nostalgia Goggles for crying out loud and wait till you see the movie before you pronounce it a Failure. The cartoon was just a stupid kids show! and was not that good in retrospect.
Flames ? Who gives a Shit? i guess Nerdy Cartoon fans who still have yet to move out of mom's basement and have nothing better to do, do.
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That thing in your brain that makes you almost truly believe magic is real... Just a random question. I was pissed at the flame stuff, but I can imagine there's some reason for it or maybe it's just bay's thing, what the fuck ever. I can imagine it not even being a problem when I'm there sucking down popcorn enjoying all the shit getting blown up. Maybe that's just me.
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Seriously..don't you have anything better to do than fucking sign up for multiple accounts to call this movie worse than shit. It's blatantly obvious what you are doing. Go crawl back in your hole.
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The regular here. In the script you read was there a mention of Teletran 1? I only ask 'cos, on tfworld, the official Paramount promo art mentions that by name. I thought all the 'details' were lost.
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Wonder why horror flicks and comic book movies are the order of the day then. I guess Star Wars was originally an across the demographic board kinda movie along with LOTR and HarryP
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"Our passionate hatred of this film isn't just about the Transformers, it's also about how most of Hollywood thinks we the genre fans don't fucking matter at all."
Passionate hatred of the film is one phrase for it. Irrational rage is one I would choose. You think Hollywood thinks genre fans don't fucking matter at all? I got news for you bro, they don't care about anybody but Andrew Jackson and his currency cohorts. You think that your passion for a particular work of fiction is some sort of unique quality (which it's not, by the way) that must be defended with insane ranting. I would argue that radical interpretations (attempts to make money) of beloved fiction has been going on for much longer with works of fiction more venerated than a comic book (not dissing comics, just saying there have been much more influential and important works of art in human history that have been fucked up by movies). The Wizard of Oz, which I'm not saying is a better book than the Transformers is a transforming-robots cartoon, is nothing like the movie. Shit, even real people have their stories fucked by Hollywood. But, they don't react with what you term as passionate hatred (which is an idiotic term because hatred is pretty much passionate in and of itself) and rant and cuss about how bad a *person* is for their interpretation instead of just being content to dislike the interpretation with some valid points (as opposed to 2-year old like wailing). Our point is that a desire to dislike everything without actually seeing it is quickly becoming a prerequisite to post on any internet message board, and for some creepy reason, it seems to have reached a new frenzied height with the Transformers TBs. I'm 29 and loved Transformers as much as any of you motherfuckers, but I don't define it as one of the DEFINING moments of my life. If someone made a movie of my life right now (a horrible decision considering it's relative lack of, you know, entertainment) and completely fucked it up beyond recognition I wouldn't hate the director or the idea of the movie as much as some of you hate Bay and this movie. It just doesn't make sense to me. Finally, and I believe I'm stealing this line from Sorkin, I gotta laugh every time people think that Hollywood acts as one united body and make the same decisions, as if it were some sort of actual entity. I have a number of friends working in Hollywood (the city, not the entity) in most of the non-creative (i.e. acting) aspects, and their input and everything I read leads me to believe if you were to poll the prominent residents of Hollywood in an effort to get a consensus about anything, you'd have a harder time getting that consensus with a question like "like at the hollywood sign and tell me how to spell hollywood" than you would with something like "which small group of fans of which piece of beloved fiction should we fuck over today." -
How does a mothafucka get a line break in one of these posts?
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really...it looks like he was hit by the witch doctor in Beetlejuice!!!
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"Wonder why horror flicks and comic book movies are the order of the day then."
Those are genre films, a generally derogatory shorthand. Everyone going to see genre films are not genre fans. Mostly, they are just people going to see movies.
"I guess Star Wars was originally an across the demographic board kinda movie"
Yeah, I Googled the original release and it was a pretty immediate, unexpected success. Also, I'm not certain how it works, but I believe Star Wars fandom didn't exist until after Star Wars was released.
"along with LOTR and HarryP"
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Is not because I necessarily hate Bay, but because I think something this big should have been handled a lot better. What you guys can't seem to grasp is that the script really, REALLY sucks. I also don't respect Bay as a filmmaker due to the fact that he has not made a great movie. Sure he does dumb entertainment, but like I said, it all appeals to the lowest common denominator. If I'm paying ten bucks to see a movie, maybe I want something more, something Michael Bay can't provide: A movie that stands the test of time that you can come back to in another twenty years and say that was a damn good movie. The possibilities with Transformers are, like star wars and LOTR, unlimited. But they took the simpleton route and essentially settled on a sophomoric script and a mediocre director who has no vision. The designs are awful. I guarantee no one will like what they see when Megatron and Starscream appear on screen. But to those trying to punk me it's OK because the movie's just big, dumb fun. Sorry, I'd rather see fairly smart, story/character driven entertainment. Sure blocky robots wouldn't look cool onscreen but there's a medium to where you do the characters justice or you straight out disrespect them. I think they chose the latter.
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Good lord. I can't believe grown men are complaining about the TRANSFORMERS movie. Seriously. And the funniest thing is people going "Optimus looks cartoony!" Newsflash, folks...Optimus WAS a cartoon. And if you've hinged the past twenty years on waiting for a live action TRANSFORMERS movie, then sorry, my friend. you've wasted the last twenty years of your life. And I like the asshole who is so in denial that he's taking these completely logical arguments and calling people "plants". Grow up, fella's. It's Transformers. I loved them as a kid too. But I'm not going to wish death on a guy because he's not making an exact replica of the cartoon. Which you would probably bitch about being too cartoony anyway.
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So I know what you're saying and respect that opinion, but don't talk like we're just idiots who are sucking bay's dick because of a trailer. That image looks good. I said it looks good. Now I'm through. If bay fucks up, I'll let him know it. For now I think we all shouldn't accuse each other of being shit we aren't and just judge the film when it finally arrives.
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There's nothing irrational about my hatred of this thing, I have very specific reasons, all of which are valid. It started with the shit robot designs and continued on through the even shittier script along with all the shit much of Hollywood keeps trying to feed us. I could sit here and explain point by point why I think this movie is crap, but instead I'll just say that I have seen absolutely nothing about it so far that makes me believe it will be anything more than another crappy summer flick. So for you mouth breathers who only care about MORE SPLOSIONS I say enjoy this stinkfest. Those of us who actually expect something more intelligent from our entertainment beyond titties and fireballs will be skipping it.
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"For now I think we all shouldn't accuse each other of being shit we aren't and just judge the film when it finally arrives."It bears repeating.(And So-Crates - br inside )
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genre films are not made for their fanbase but rather for the easy to please "let's go to the theatre mob mentality public who just want to kill time by eating popcorn surrounded by strangers not really caring what's flashed on the screen even though we paid $20". *breath* I'm just trying to understand the statement that was made, that's all...
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I'm a long time Transformers fan and I'll be honest, I enjoyed the trailer and I think this pic is cool. It at least captures the general essence of Prime. We'll have to wait and see what else they have in store for us.
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seriously.
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Haters of this Film Hate it because it does not match THEIR vision.
( Though none have seen it yet )
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"Those of us who actually expect something more intelligent from our entertainment beyond titties and fireballs will be skipping it."
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i'm still wondering why all these genius film makers on this forum can only piss and moan about every little detail and have yet to make this perfect movie that'll make billions, that they always claim to know just how to do.........
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I was just repeating one of Hairy Nutsack's comments verbatim, albeit out of context, to irk him. It is true, though.
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pt haters have actually seen the films. thats all I'm saying. *walks away* from inevitable star wars rants.
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"Those of us who actually expect something more intelligent from our entertainment beyond titties and fireballs will be skipping it."
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Anyone blathering about character design, listen up. The original character design has at least one thing that this abominatin doesn't. That is...weight. Solidity. These Michael Bay visions of transformers don't convey any real sense of dimension. They are all flat and thin parts that fit together like a shell. The original designs are solid shapes and areas that convey mass. Holy shit, I need a life.
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Just wondering if the whole idea of the talkback is for people to support, without question, opinion or debate, movies in all phases of their creation? Cause if it is then I'll stop posting here and become a cock smoking Murphy stooge. But, if Tb'ers are in fact encouraged to express themselves through this forum, then fuck all you assclowns who have a problem with people getting geeked out(good or bad) about shit!
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...please explain how it's possible Spidey, LOTR, and Potter can all be so faithful to their source, perfect no, but faithful for sure. I mean what's the point, Hollywood is just going for the theatre mob mentality right?
Somehow those filmmakers managed to make films that please both the original and new fans, people who have never read the books or comicbooks enjoyed those films. Billions of dollars later we're going to get another faithful Spidey flick, more faithful Potter films, and maybe even a faithful Hobbit film if we're lucky.
So I ask you all, are you honestly glad this movie was made in the image of Bay and not in the image of the original? This movie will probably be "alright" in the same way that the Prequels were "alright", and just like the Prequels people will forever wonder what the movie could have been like in other hands. -
And we haven't even seen a full-blown daylight shot yet. Eek. Paramount/Dreamworks: LOSE THE FUCKING FLAMES. They're absolutely retarded, gain you _nothing_, and are costing you dearly. (And since Prime's a CG character, it should cost relatively little to fix at this point.)
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"So I ask you all, are you honestly glad this movie was made in the image of Bay and not in the image of the original? This movie will probably be "alright" in the same way that the Prequels were "alright", and just like the Prequels people will forever wonder what the movie could have been like in other hands."
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It wont replace the animation for me, but this live action movie will likely be great.
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Everyone IS entitled to their opinion. and i'm entitled to LMFAO! at people who's biggest gripe is Flames on a Talking walking Truck. lol
Fanbots are Fanbots, and that's allowed, just as Calling a spade a spade is.
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not a Bay explosiveFuckfest. I thought I expressed that earlier. I'm not saying remake TF down to the stilted writing of the cartoon but, for godsakes, give a healthy nod to the G1 fans by TRYING to incorporate all the cool shit some remember. I hate this having to refresh shit, my comments are out of place and obviously misunderstood but whatthefuckever...
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In other's hands, I mean in the same way Empire is superior to all of the other Star Wars movies...combined.
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I just offered suggestions. The only reason I don't hate on those who bust their nuts on the issue is because it's nice to know that there are people who care about source material. It means that there is the slightest of hope that adaptations in the future will stay true Because of the fans.
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whine? Here's some cheese, to go with it.
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....It's just that. SOURCE MATERIAL. I personally don't think a Film maker is obligated as far as adapting a cheesy 80's cartoon goes to be faithful whatsoever. It's a reinvention. anyways , carry on
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But one of my Christmas presents was the fact that MSN had Ultraviolet as 06's top ten worst movies. Maybe there is a god afterall...this movie is another example on how people can get played by a trailer.
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i just pulled my pants down
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*walks back* I gotta say, I never truly believed in hell until I started wasting my life on the internet.
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about caring about source material and going overboard in the complaints. My problem is not the dislike with what people have seen so far but how overboard it's gone for this particular movie. Other talkbacks have had some problems with aspects of movies before they're made, which is obviously fine, but the manner in which it's being conducted on all the transformers TB is getting a little out of hand in the eyes of some. Would I rather this movie be closer to the cartoon I loved as a kid? Sure. But I don't know to what extent, because not everything translates well to film. I'd probably have more of a problem with them physically showing a gigantic robot transforming and shrinking to the size of a big handgun than with them doing something a little different with the character that is more physically consistent. But I'm accepting the concept of a robot from another planet transforming at all, so whatever. And let's face it, the cartoon was pretty popcorny. Lot's of cool battles and shit. It's not like you were sitting at home with your dinobots and having them read Sartre or anything. The eps were mostly about energon cubes as I recall. Speaking of which, I wonder if there are energon cubes in the movie. If there aren't any, I'm just not sure I'll be able to bring myself to go to the movie. For the record the scorpion decepticon does look awfully stupid. I would have liked if they had remained, for the most part, jets. That does disappoint me.
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and Optimus Prime's head being too small is just like the people who thought Superman Returns sucks because Superman's "S" is too small and Brandon Routh was too skinny. This is the most ridiculous reason to hate a movie. Optimus's head is no smaller proportionately in this design than in the original design. I don't care for decals on cars under any circumstance and I still think they look fine here. They don't make it great but they don't ruin it either and at least they add a bit of aesthetic flare rather than having simple solid blue and red colors.
Optimus's proportions don't look any different from previous incarnations, Of which there have been many and far worse than this (wasn't he a fire truck once?). Ask yourselves honestly, if there weren't going to be a movie and this design had turned up as one of the toys would you have hated it then?
My point is: the design looks just as good as any of the many incarnations of the toys, flames don't really matter, his head isn't too small, and Brandon Routh looks almost identical to Christopher Reeve so how can he be too small to be Superman when the same people who say so hold Reeve in such high regard?
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if you guys got issues with the TF movie...go find $0.50 and call somebody who cares...^_^
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That's really disheartening.
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and I frickin' love it...flame on, nerds!
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I am a fan of the original cartoon, i grew up with the series, my first transformer was soundwave,followed by prime..i also get warm fuzzy feelings when i hear the theme song, but not for any other reason then the era, and the childhood memories that accompanied it.
People want this movie to resemble G1 because they want to recapture their fond nostalgic memories and to get those same warm fuzzy feelings, but the truth is, we do not live in that era anymore, and this needs to be translated to todays younger tweens and kids, in a way that fits with todays society. This is not about G1 fans it is about money, and tweens today are not going to pay to see the old familar *to us* transformers movie, they want action, they want explosions,a young hot female star, cool cars and jets...they want bad ass. I am not sure if some cheesey 80's tune playing while prime blasts his way through decepticons, is going to turn their crank. It is NOT going to have the same feel as the original.
I had a good laugh when someone mention that the new movie will not have the "dimension" of the old cartoon series, it was a cartoon, a fun one yes,good memories yes, and there might have been "some" depth and dynamic between the characters. But it was very cut and dry "good Vs evil" "friends to the end" "freedom for all races and beings" if dimension means having tons of cliche's and cheesey one liners, i am sure this movie will be close to the source material. " freedom is the right of all sentient beings" "autobots roll out" now thats deep! reeks of "dimension" if you ask me. It was a cartoon, a good and fun one yes, but realisticly you are holding on to the nostalgic feelings of childhood, not the quality of the original source material...lets remember ,it was created for children. The feeling it gave us as kids, will never be the same,regardless of how close the new film is to the original...because now that we are older we dont look at the world through doey star sparkled eyes filled with wonder and amazement. We are synical,jaded,tortured meat sacks, who need to learn to loosen up and not take cartoons so seriously.
I plan on seeing the movie, if it sucks it sucks, if it is enjoyable its enjoyable ,if it kicks ass...great!! but it will be what it will be...we still have G1 DVD's to look forward to.
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The tranformers threads here are somewhat mild then others i have seen. There was a guy in another site thread who clearly told other people on the board " i like transformers, i want see cool movie, i go to theatre and have fun, this is warning to anyone who talk during movie or make fun of...i will give you warning and if you dont listen, you will pay..there will be other people then just nerds there!"
so feel good about yourselves, even if some posts here lack intelligence and just state "dam you micheal bay" or "this movie is going to suck" I dont click off the site, wishing i would have rather had a drunk chimp shave my ballsack with a rusty razor.
and the schumacher comment balls...because i had allready stated in another thread that if the guy who created "nipples on batman" did this movie it would be about sexual shapeshifting robots and would instead be called "Trannies" now does that thought not get you hard?!
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I understand where you're coming from...I'm a big fan of Transformers too. I used to watch it as a child. Where I come from there weren't many cartoons on tv and it was one of the highlights of the week for me. Maybe I shouldn't expressed my opinion that simplisticaly and for that I apologize. To expand on what I was thinking...Transformers is a brainchild of the 80's and we can all agree the world was much different then. We could only dream of live action version of it back then. But we live in different time now, and as with any franchise, the owners of it want to expand on its viewership and leaving it as it was wouldn't cut it. I know of Micheal Bay and his work, but to say it was only him who was deciding how they will look in the end is ridiculous. The fans may not care about what I just said but it is what it is. I will always remember the concept of Transformers and nothing I saw up to now say they're trying to sabotage it. I know I'll be there when it opens, and like any work I'm fan of I'm hoping it will be good. And some people who say that they read the script and think that it sucks, well I'm sorry and I hope they changed some stuff I around which they probably did. Come July 5th we'll all be here we'll discuss it...until then...calm down...breathe...and go to that happy place for next 7 months.
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Then whats the point of making it at all. It bothers me that its acceptable that it only bears a passing resemblence. Even if its a sort of fun ride (the best we can possibly hope for at this point) that means we just wasted our shot at a cool Transformers film for a "sort of fun ride". It's a waste of everyones time.
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So yackbacker, if you have read the script...you know that bumblebee dies in the 4th act... at the hands of bonechrusher,while trying to rescue Sam? And that this was why spielberg was adamant that it was important for Bay to make the audience "like bumblebee" and "so they feel the relationship between Sam and bumblebee early on in the film"? it is after all about " a boy and his first car"
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He's the Darth Maul of Transformers!
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Is it okay if instead of taking one side or the other, I choose to hate everyone on this site equally?
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ya know sometimes i feel like a broken record but it must be because of the total lack of intelligence of some of these "i hate michael bay" folk... i consider myself a fairly intelligent person and ive seen all of the movies that he has "directed" and they all were awesome...i give the screenwriters and production crew credit for giving michael bay a continuous string of great movies to "direct"...it must be hard being a "director" having to work a script that "someone else" wrote and concept images that "someone else" drew....and polish that into a great movie.... after all a "director" "directs"
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and its been holding true since i first stated it..... to the few that claim they have read a script, which i think is BS, i keep asking over and over and over for those individuals to post a link to said script, and no one has ever responded EVER... so until someone links me a site where this "supposed" script is, i dont believe a single thing theyre saying......
a prime example (no pun intended) was days before the trailer came out there was an "insider" that said he saw the trailer and there were "no robots", gave a long winded paragraph about how it was nothing new and lots of u guys just took whoever it was at their word, not me.... the trailer was all new and had robots so the guy saying there werent was talking out of his wide anus.......so i wont name names but i dont believe any of it, and i doubt a script that is nearly a year old was not updated before the final shooting script which im sure no one outside of BAY had access to.....
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i thought pearl harbor was a visually stunning movie, considering the subject matter has been pounded into the ground as much as say .....titanic.......meaning we all knew that pearl harbor was going to be bombed, just like we all knew that the titanic was going to sink and dicrapio was gonna be a frozen corpse......but as for the visuals , pearl harbor was very awesome.......honestly never saw the island, but if u put the island and pearl aside did any of the other movies he "directed" suck ?
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Dec 26, 2006 12:43:27 AM CST
I guess my beef is really the title of the movie then
by s-mart shopper
You don't name a movie after characters that only make an apperance in the film if that is in fact the case. That's like calling SNL the Finesse Mitchell Show.
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unless of course you don't give a shit! appearance, bitches!
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kinda weird actually
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I'm just saying.
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His importance in this world never existed. If you ignore his lies he will slice his throat and no one will attend his funeral. He talks shait continually. He lost the battle with the new kickass trailer- receiving cheers everywhere. It's over junior- you lost, like always.
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if u have a problem with silly characters speaking silly dialogue and so on and so forth, blame the screenwriters not the guy that has to film it.....obvioulsly ur giving the screenwriters too much slack and blaming the "director"
since some have posted definitions, here is what dictionary.com gives as the definition of DIRECTOR
the person responsible for the interpretive aspects of a stage, film, or television production; the person who supervises the integration of all the elements, as acting, staging, and lighting, required to realize the writer's conception.
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In ancient Egypt, Shait was the first season of the year, beginning in what would have been the month of June. From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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No, you are trying to prove that you are smarter and cleverer than your betters. You fight over EVERYTHING ever since that dodgeball game in third grade. And you are still a wankoid. You are not giving an opinion because your opinion is based on nothing tangible- you haven't seen the film. You have decided to mock and therefore want more mockery. You are a loser without form or substance.
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Have you got new material this time around?
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frank welker is megatron.....am gonna watch my special ed of the proper movie now. again. for the umpteenth time. to remind me of what i will be missing. but trailer still hyped me up. i like robots...really i do!
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thought I'd give it a try...
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An hour around the second floor starting at Sears and ending at the remodeled Spencer's Gifts and then lunch at 1 Potato 2, awwwwww yeah....
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well its been refreshing to hear some people wishing bay and the movie good luck. All you other pricks why dont you go and do something constructive with your life rather than dismising someones work? and dont give me that ' i work in the industry' shit. Fuck off with your tea boy at some 2 bit studios dry.
IT WAS A FUCKING CARTOON its never going to be 'War and Peace' FUCK ME. Just get out of your parents house and grow the fuck up, c**ts!!oh and merry christmas!!! -
Thanks for the props Quint...saw the new trailer with Rocky tonight...im pretty psyched...flames or no flames
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I hate Transformers, hated Transformers as a kid, hate the toys, hate the characters, hate Michael Bay and all his movies, and I hate all of you, so I'm having a pretty good time right now.
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Sorry to be last year's genius, but can someone please explain what this "Flames on Optimus" shit is all about? I couldn't give a fuck about big robots, but I've seen this mentioned all over the talkbacks so I'm looking for a little peace of mind...
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Phartegoddprime-Go back to the murphy boards where you belong you f***ing stooge. If you can actually argue a valid point in your posts then fine, But if all you're gonna do is throw idiotic insults at somebody for posting their opinion then who needs you? Shouldn't you be busy working on ways to f**k up the WE3 movie now or something?
So-Crates-Personally I believe the reason that you're seeing such a more prominant backlash of fan posting for this particular movie more so than others is because of just how many of the fans that the makers of this movie have pissed off. They seriously underestimated the fanbase for the G1 Transformers. I know a lot you like to use the argument about how there have been all of these different incarnations of transformers over the years and etc.,etc.,(looking at you Roland)and that this is just another incarnation.Which is true. I'm not gonna argue that. But out of all of those different incarnations which one is still around in one form or another? It's not Armada.It's not G2. It's not RID.Thats right it's G1. Generation one has been around in comics,toys,video games,statues,pvc's,t-shirts,and etc.,. since it's premiere in 1983 right up until the present.You can't say that about any of the other incarnations. I'm real sure people will still be buying comics and memoribilia based on the Armada or RID line 20 years from now.(That was sarcasm by the way.) So as for them screwing up and not really playing up the built in fanbase for this movie,yeah they f**ked that up. We were originally promised a G1 movie to begin with. But Bay and everyone had to do their version of what transformers would be instead. So thats what we got.This movie will probably do pretty good when it opens. But it could have done a lot better if they had done it correctly. So I completely agree with what Yackbacker is saying about comparing it to Spider-Man or LOTR level quality.
Allseeingeye-- I dont know what crack you've been smoking but I haven't been seeing fans who have been complaining about this movie on the TF sites suddenly being born again because of this new trailer being released.I frequent a couple TF sites and have not been seeing that. Things are still the same. So either you're just mistaken or reporting false information.
-----Something I would like to clear up while i'm here. One thing that a lot of you pro-movie guys piss me off about is saying how us G1 fans aren't happy because it's not an exact translation of the G1 toon. Thats not the case at all and I have yet to see anyone even make that statement. So please quit using that as a ways to justify your arguments and to discredit ours. I'm all for updating the characters for a movie based in the here and now. But done correctly. Which this movie is not.Most of the robot designs suck. They look like walking piles of scrap metal. Especially the Decepticons. The vehicle modes suck. The autobots look like they should be called "The Redneck Brigade" or something. A couple of the decepticons vehicles are alright but the rest are bad choices. The script for this movie sucks. But what did you expect from people responsible for Catwoman and The core? This just seems to be overall a very dumbed down,blowem up,no story movie. I hope that all of us complaining about it are wrong but all information points otherwise.--
One more thing. For everyone telling us to shutup and quit complaining about it and just accept it. I do not want to see one of you guys complaining about any other movie being made whatsover. Or your just gonna prove what a hypocrite you are. I'm sure when another movie comes along thats based on some source material your particularly fond of screws something up you're going to be on here ranting about it yourself. So just the f**k up yourself and let us have our say. -
Who is Don Murphy and why is he synonymous with typos?
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The flames on Optimus thing. Prime has never had flames before but he has them for this new movie. Most people feel that they are very unnesessary and basically gay looking. Kind of like the whole nipples on Batmans costume that Schumacher added in his movies of that character. Hence the Nipples on Batman=Flames on Optimus postings.
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MMMMEN ST!NK!
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the movie would focused more from our point of view (human), which means that the robots would serve just as secondary characters. It reminds me of Dolph Rundgren's Master of the Universe where He-Man himself felt like a secondary character to the teenagers in that movie.
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I think this is a debate best left to those who care, but at least now I know what you're all talking about. Even if I think you're all mad. And DarthBakpao, you've just reminded me of the time I saw Masters of the Universe on television, many Christmasses ago. I was only a wee lad, and it scared the shit out of me. I still remember watching the bit where some chick is hiding under a table from hairy monsters. I watched it with my hands over my eyes! Ah, those were the days.
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dude...it was a toy line, ok...not fucking poetry...oooooh fighting for energon cubes...epic...blah blah blah...ur emotionally attached to a robot diguised as a truck...think about that for a sec. how old r u? i'm pretty much as big of a nerd as they come but jesus man, im sick of all the bitching about the fucking FLAMES. besides the animation in TF was shit anyways...things transformed like they were made out of clay rather than moving metal parts. cool idea but not worth getting this mad over. and tell me, when u were a kid did u really give a shit about the plot? no, you didnt. you liked big fucking robots that shot each other, end of discussion.
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Shame it's still a week away from being delivered. Looks good, surprisingly.
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And when exactly did I bitch about the flames? Someone asked about them so I told him what the deal was. I wasn't bitching.Something wrong with answering somebody's question? I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to do that on here.Gee, me sorry.
And secondly whats the stuff about the "animation in TF being shit anyways!?" What the hell does that have to do with anything? How does that relate to anything anyone was saying? Could you explain that please? Are you trying to compare 2D 1980's animation to todays cgi rendered robots? Is that the point you were trying badly to make? Thats like comparing a club to a gun. Of course it's going to be better rendered in cgi than 2D animation. Who exactly was arguing differently? I was just saying that robot designs look like crap. The outer shell pieces are too broken up in their robot modes for my tastes.They'd look a lot better if they were more solid instead of all over the place.
And personally I prefer a decent story over big explosions anyday. I realize the cartoon wasn't exactly shakespeare in it's day but what was? Apparently your of the denominator that this new bay movie was made for. All eye candy and no thinking involved. You'll most likely enjoy it. When you can actually come up with some valid points of argument or comprehend what everyone else is posting about(Whichever happens first)feel free to post to me again.
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Really, it's Herbie the transforming car for 75% of the movie. I did fie myself laughing a heck of a lot at the bits with Sam and Bumblebee but that's partly because it's just so far removed from a film about Autobots vs Deceptacons. Ho hum.
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Are you having a fucking laugh?
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I´m NOT shivering with anticipation
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In shadow he actually looks cool.
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i think its pretty funny that you seem to think that a poorly animated toy commercial is worth typing that much about. you say you like story...as do i. however, you seem to be forgetting that the transformers nver had a good story in the first place. dont get me wrong, i loved the toys when i was a kid, but take them for what they are (and that goes for all the ppl on here screaming about the lack of story, regardless of the fact that none of us have seen the finished film) and no i'm not comparing 2D to 3D animation. i'm saying to you that the cartoon was poorly animated. none of the autobots or decepticons looked like the were rearranging their parts...just kind forming them. i think the new designs will add to the flexability of thr characters. you forget that 2D animation takes a lot of liberties with the way things move. if they used the original designs the characters wouldnt be able to move very well at all, and that would look mre laughable to me than a few exposed parts. and dont insult me, ok...i dont prefer explosions to story, but this is the kinda movie that i can take for what it is and always was...mindless fun and cool visual shit. but i guess you guys wont understand just how rediculous ur praise of G1 is until you stop exclusively reading books with pictures on every page, preferabley colorable, right?
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dont try to call me on spellchecking my shit, cuz i could really give a fuck about grammer on these boards
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The tfworld forums are full of people saying they now love/want to see this movie. I read the whole topic where the pic was posted. It's a similar story at other fan sites, i just love reading some of the rediculous excuses that 30+ year old men can concoct. So you're either mistaken or just posting misinformation. Then again, alot of the haters are so utterly blinded by it that they can't see whats right in front of them if it contradicts their opinion.As for complaining about movies, well, usually when people assume a movie will suck, the reason is fairly obvious; it's usually one glaring problem. Most people though LIKE what they see and that's what truly annoys you. That everyone here isn't of the same mind as you. What's more ludicrous is that the reasons for the hate change depending on who exactly you are responding to. In this movies case, the reason changes every two minutes, "we don't like the designs", "we hate Michael Bay", "we hate that it's not took the cartoons origins", "we hate the script". Truth is, you don't know what to hate, you just want to hate it. This movie is no guiltier than any other cartoon/comic iteration of the franchise. Things move on and develop, it's time some of you moved on too.On one of the first Transformers talbacks on AICN, the original complaint was the designs. The big ones being flames on Optimus, (which is no fucking big deal), and that the robots weren't chunky looking G1 designs. Then the sensible ones among you realised that G1 couldn't be fully translated to live action without change and so, because the decision was already made to hate the movie, it turned into a script issue. At that time none of the people quoting the script had actually read the damn thing. As i recall, the link to said script was posted in that very talkback and it became a clamour to see who could rip it to shreds first. For the record, latino review ALSO reviewed the same script, (and the reviewer was a Transformers fan), and he gave it top marks. Since Latino Review get regular script scoops and, for my money, are usually spot on i'll take their word for it any day.
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MOTU was a dud because it was released at (or just after) the peak of the cartoon and toyline's popularity -- and it did not follow the storyline well AT ALL. (He-Man on modern-day Earth!?! Come on!)
TRANSFORMERS, on the other hand, has been around for decades in many different incarnations, with only strands of continuity among the series.
The new movie looks like an intro to the world of the Transformers, initially told from the POV of the humans. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm confident that the Autobots and Decepticons, as characters, will be driven to the forefront around the end of the second act of the movie. That's standard storytelling for movie's like this: ground your audience in a reality they understand first, then flesh out the more fantastic elements... -
Everyone who supports this movie keeps posting rants telling the people hating to shut up. Then the people hating come back with occasionally intelligent arguments concluding with "Stop telling the people who hate to shut up because we're just as entitled to our opinions, so shut up." It's ridiculous. You're all entitled to your opinions. Telling each other to shut up is stupid because no argument either of you give is going to silence the other. Everyone has their opinions and their entitled to argue them and even if you don't think they are they will anyways. You can't control whether someone posts an opinion by telling them to "shut up." Also, you people saying that everyone arguing over Transformers need to get a life and do something, stop it. You're here too posting on the same message board. You're no better than everyone else, and making up some wild claim that you're someone important or that you're Patrick Swayze (I really saw that one once), does nothing to validate your point because you can't prove it. Posting on a message board to say that people who post on message boards don't have a life is redundant.
I think this movie looks good so far. I agree that it'll probably be about the same quality as Fantastic Four but that doesn't make it terrible. I don't care about the flames though I do wish they had stuck closer to the original designs, especially Megatron (Jagged metal is evil, how original) and Bumblebee. Bumblebee is the reason I like VW Beetles, But I heard Volkswagon wouldn't let them use the Beetle anymore. But I'm still looking forward to the movie. It's still Transforming robots, their still from cybertron, it's still going to be cool. Though it does sound like it won't be as great as it could have been. But a mediocre movie is better than a terrible movie (D&D or anything by Uwe Boll). -
why a transformer fans such fucking retards?!?! The show was stupid and pointless, had no plot and was a fad......just like Pokemon! The toys were cool, the animated movie was dreadful and the storylines were non existant. I have read the script (not sure if they have used all of it) and it was stupid but fun, just like the fucking series. GET THE FUCK OVER IT, LOSERS!!!!
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Actually went to youtube and watched some Transformers clips. They were pretty inane. I don't get it. Maybe if I was 7 or something, but you dudes who are still holding a torch for this stuff should go back and review it. Help me out here, TV-toon to movie translations are iffy at best (even with great source material). How do you expect anything but a suck-fest? Not slamming your belief sytems in worlds were giant robots turn into shite = great storytelling, but there's not even cool writing here. (and yeah, I get the cool toys angle) Scooby Yabba Dabba Doo you Underdog-stand what I'm saying here?
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Too bad Santa didn't bring you lives with your toys this Christmas. You Trannies are hopeless.
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what happened to the FF2 teaser we were promised?
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How's about we redirect our hate and anger at worthwile movie-making instead of studios pumping money into shit that doesn't even sound good on paper? Just askin.
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Yup in a nutshell my friend.Its robots that turn into shit... Flames on optimus=nipples on batman= get a fuckin life...to all of you that have read the script and feel you are in a position to comment, do you work on the industry? Are you script writers or is this some sad pathetic way to get closer to your belief that you are part of the mechanics of hollywood? Jesus Christ!!! I suppose the only thing to do is to never make an adaptation of a childrens show as your always gonna get some people who cannot handle interpretations of their childhood heroes.And as for that twat 'MCMLXXVI' get a fucking life freak!!
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Jeeeebus! You guys salivating with hate over this thing really do need to get a grip! What if they made an Airwolf movie and took some liberties? Would you still be pissing and moaning about how Jan Micheal Vincent was not cast? The dude can't even speak or walk (loved hearing him on Stern) and you guys would be fucking blabbin' like a titless tot. Get a fucking life. Megatron was a fucking gun! What is he gonna do in this - bounce around on his ass / handel? What the fuck! Get over it! Leave your parents basement - you're 28 years old for fucks sake. The cartoon was awful, the animation was shit. And playing with the toys when you were 7-12, pretending you were something bigger .... I was spanking my baby sitters ass when I was 10. The slut! I'll send ya a picture - ya fuckin' haters - it'll be the closest thing to pussy you'll ever get if your only purpose in life is to bastardize this movie before it comes out. Leave the basement tards!
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Exactly. Like I've been saying, what's worse? Some guy deciding to make a movie about a 20-year old cartoon or some guy complaining that the movie version of a 20-year old cartoon won't have all the right details? Get a life please. This movie (though it may not be that great) will still make tons of money and there's nothing you can do to change that. Fission Mailed.
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oh shit i didnt realise you were on a crusade for the search for truth and justice , i just thought you were a pimply 20 something thAt hadnt grown up. MY MISTAKE I APOLOGISE.
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But how can you accuse the people who actually don't have a problem with this movie as being people "who love shit shoved down our throats" and followers of "stupid simpleton ways" simply because we refuse to accept your take on this movie?Infact, were we to all be swayed by your words would we not also be guilty of the same thing you lambast us for?I am reminded of an email full of quotes and sayings i was sent many years ago; "Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one". Perhaps more suitable to this talkback,(and one i freely admit to being partly guilt of), "Arguing on an internet message board is like competing at the special olympics; even if you win, you're still a retard".
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'Trannies' has got to be the best name I've heard for a group of obsessed fans in a long time. It will now go down in history with the likes of 'Trekkies'. And yes, there's a big difference between 'Trekkers' and 'Trekkies'. Class dismissed.
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Dont pay any attention to guys like stooop and what not. No matter how many insults fly on these boards or tired old comments like "Get out of your mommy's basement" are made, in the end, these people are trying to defend the notion that a film maker like Michael Bay should be given the benefit of a doubt. M I C H A E L B A Y. As far as I can tell, that alone means its an up hill battle for anyone to justify their case.
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Why is that the fallback insult? Im pretty sure people that say that either have not, or have not in a long time....its funny actually.
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The major problem that I and other people have with your attitude is that it is towards a movie over 6 months away from opening. It doesnt matter how many scripts or clips or photos or production sketches you see you simply cannot say the movie is shit. you havn't seen it. it is still in post production...
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I must start out by calling him a douchespout. Trust me that's worse than a douchebag. As for your concern that some of us who have read the script are not actually in the industry, let me assure you, this is one talkbacker who is. I have been a producer, animator, pre-viz coordinator, script superviser (which basically means I read a few drafts of certain scripts and caught a few typos), and I have been a director, though all that last one taught me was that I wasn't ready for the position yet. Still, I learned and passed off the job before it got to bad. I'm also in a unique position that I have actually worked for the company that has a vested interest in this film, Hasbro, and that the work for them in their Transformers world is work that they take very seriously. As for my problems with this film, they are too many to list. Yackbacker has hit on most of them and is also very much in the right mindset for how those who loved this as kids and continue to love it really feel. As for the Trannies thing, that's funny... I laughed, but I'm sure there are many "TransFans" that wouldn't. Aside from that, hey Yackbacker, how's it goin'? I just got back from being stuck in DIA (Denver) and I'm tired. Merry Chirstmas everyone.
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Prime talks about his battle with prostate cancer.
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why thankyou nonsensical for such a colourfull insult. You seem to be the exception to the rule... good luck with the directing- it takes a big man to admit when hes not capable of doing something. hang in there your time will come
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Yes you are right. You have the right. I have that right. We all have that right. I apologise or coming down hard. It christmas and all this negativity is bad. May I offer you a glass of fesive egg nog and lets bury the hatchet. I would love to chat with you after the movie has opened and hear your comments. For the record I find previous michael bay movies to be chewing gum for the eyes.
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I travel a lot for work and personal stuff. Let me tell you, a part of me actually feels like my Chirstmas was less than spectactular. I think this has to do with the fact that I spent a total of three days in airports during a five day vacation and out of the whole endevor I managed to get to see my family, but didn't get more than half the Christmas Fare, i.e. gifts. Of course gifts aren't a big deal, and really they aren't the issue. The issue is that everything that didn't arrive in Denver so it could return with me, now has to be shipped back to me once it actually arrives. This means that I get a second Christmas sometime in January, and I don't think I have time for that so it bums me out. Still, I did get to see my family, even though I missed out on two days, so I suppose that means I win. Of course having to fly on Christmas Night sucked. Anyway, I can't help but laugh at Fried Gold's comment. If the article actually had that in it, I would be picking it up for the laugh.
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I also feel the need to rebutt a few posters in here. TO that guy who figures this movie will make a ton of money anyway: that may or may not be, but how does that in any way relate to quality? There are a slew of movies that were horrible and yet made a mint (quite a few of them done by Bay, in fact). To Tobius Funke, I find it interesting that you accuse yack of getting a life when you seem to post rebuttles to him on a pretty regular basis. To paraphrase your previous question, what is worse: the poster who has a problem with said 20 year old storyline or poster who posts incessently about previous poster? The fact is, Funke, you're in the same boat as everyone else: you have an opinion and the free time to vent it here in this talkback. Finally, to the allseeingeye: I agree with you in that most everyone here needs to tone the insults down a notch or two, however, Yack isn't even approaching the level of rudeness that I've seen from those insulting Yack (at least on this TB). Heck, I'd even go so far as to say that he's right in stating that there are many people who dont mind seeing a movie for just explosions and dumb fun. Hell, there have been a few posters on this board stating exactly that opinion: "Transformers is just dumb fun that I can turn my brain off to. It'll be great!" Go ahead, Eye, scroll up and you'll see that statement made by more than a few TB'ers. Obviously, there are a great many people who prefer their dumb fun to be...well...dumb fun. Obviously, that is their perrogative, but please don't accuse Yack of snobbery because he wants more from a story line than some simple action. II find it rather telling when someone like Yack expects a director/producer/writer/creater to not take the easy way out, to not generate cookie cutter characterization and paper-thin plot points and actually stretch those creative muscles, is slagged by so many here in this talkback. Worse, you call him names and insinnuate that he's some sort of social outcast for such an opinion. Well, if thats the case, ladies and gents, then you can put me right along side Yack, because I COMPLETELY agree with Yack on this subject. And just so you people (many of whom are very new) understand, I'm a teacher here in Buffalo, with a wife and three kids. I guess I'm some sort of social retard, too, huh?
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come on yack and non lets have that egg nog!!! Sorry to hear you xmas was not up to scratch. Airports are souless places t the best of times. Im spending my first xmas here in NZ after all my life in the UK. It was over 90 in the shade.. just not right!!
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I was going to ask you to please stop making logical and well-reasoned reasoned arguments about your reservations for the film, because I thought it would derail my precious "nerdguments" that I love SO much. (I love nothing more than fanboys arguing, it's like heroin) but ironically enough, there are enough wackos on here that get crazier the more calm and reasonable you are. so it works out for everyone. you get to make these trolls look silly, I get my "nerdscussion" on the transformers, and stooprider gets another rabbit for Xmas! (the masturbation aid, not the animal) hooray! flame on, bitches!
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I love me some mindless fun in the heat of summer - sitting in the AC and watching something stupid, yet entertaining (EX: POTC II, Sin City, The 40-Year Old Virgin). I knew The Lost World was going to be goofy but it had cool effects and dino's. Yes, I was upset it was was different from the book but I loved it when the T Rex escaped into San Diego. It was just fun. I'm looking forward to this - Bay's flicks are mindless cluster fucks of dumbness. I loved The Rock (best James Bond movie ever), and my guilty pleasure is Bad Boys II. It's about half and half with him but somewhere, deep inside of me, big robots fighting with cool FX seems cool to me. Opinions voiced are fine - and dammit, let 'em fly. But having so much hate for Bay with pre (and post) felony threats is so fucking funny. Especially for a movie whose characters are FUCKING ROBOTS FROM A CARTOON THAT MEANT TO CASH IN ON TOYS. "I'm Megatron - bouncing on the butt of my gun handel - bouncing high in the air so I can transform into my robot self!" Queer. I'm glad they changed things up. It will dopey fun. You guys make me laugh.
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Fancy a turkey sandwich?
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Total Robot Chicken Reference...
I fly enough that nothing really bothers me.
Oh, and moondoggy2u, sure call yourself a social retard, but you've had sex, you're kids are proof, I think that makes you at least someone socially capable. That is unless your kids were concieved through magic. Which if they were, that's really cool, I'd like to know how you did that. Otherwise I'll just assume they were made the old fashioned way. -
Yeah, Yack, I think I recall you or I getting into a verbal tussle over Casino Royale. At no time did you and I start slagging at each other. And to Dalbatron, who the hell cares when the movie is getting released? It doesnt matter that Yack or myself haven't seen it--it still looks bad. You know, I've never eaten or tasted a shit sandwich, but all my cognitive abilites combined with my sense of smell and eyesight assure me that a shit sandwich will taste bad and give me a stomach ache.
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bzzzzzzzzzzzz! are you having fun with it? remember to wash between uses...
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but I'm kinda with Yack on this. For what its worth, Yack hasnt said that you shouldn't see the fucking movie. I appreciate the heads up about the probable shittiness but I'll make my own decision to see this in July. And seriously, to all you jackasses making shit remarks like "20 something year old pimple face", third grade called, they want their fat kid back to laugh at in dodgeball.
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Would you like a glass of eggnog as we are all friends now....
I suppose a slightly more delicate way of putting your point across is the old phrase ' if it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck - its a duck' a personal favorite of mine...
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great movie although Craig is golums long lost brother
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I have said you shouldn't see this movie, but again I also have several unique qualifications that justify my reasons for saying this. I'm also of the mindset that certain things in life that helped shape who we are as people should be held to some degree of respect and if they are not then they should not be abided. (Not to sound snooty, I just couldn't think of a better word.) It's the same reason I refused to see Superman: Returns. Sure I did end up seeing it, but I never paid for it, and it took me three times to see it all the way through. Yes. Three different people dragged me to this movie. Yes. I fell asleep and missed an hour of the film the first two times. No. After I saw it all the way through I didn't miss much while sleeping. No. That hour still doesn't make that a Superman movie. Yes. I am still angry about it. Just so you know.
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het non. i did that. I have sat down 3 times now and never got past clark arriving the daily planet. That movie i believe is falls into the 'dont fuck with a classic' category. A bit like a remake of ' its a wonderfull life' remade in modern times by Harold Ramis and starring Vincent Vaughn
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How could Megatron turn into such a small gun anyway?
by i_snake_plissken
I really don’t get all of the bitching about this movie – I think the trailer makes it look pretty good (I like the more ominous tone). And, you’ve got to consider the source material – “ME GRIMLOCK, RRRRRRRRRRRR.” Still, I guess many of us will always wonder what “Robert Altman’s Transformers” would have been like…..
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if giant fucking robots is such mindless fun, why do you care so much to go into the talkback thread and post incessently? And just so you know, Yack's opinion is hardly uninformed or illadvised. Lets run through the list: a subpar director, a paper-thin script, a listless cast of "actors," and creature/character designs that are, shall we say, a bit busy. To put it bluntly, this is a Michael Bay film with a script written by that Catwoman guy. That alone should fill most movie goers with a sense of trepidation, to say nothing of what actual fans of the franchise will say. Defend your position all you want, stooprider, but your argument seems to based upon one of faith rather than reason. Faith in MICHAEL BAY!! Oh well, some people never learn.
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I'd REALLY REALLY like to see Children of Men. In conclusion, they better get Kopp-Tor right in the fucking Go Bots movie.
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he's just getting bitchier and bitchier...but you have to appreciate the irony of this troll calling out Yack for posting just to get people's attention. bitch that's what I do! not Yack.
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Stooopider, please go up and read everything. Even if you have to move your lips while doing it or read out loud to understand better. Yackbacker is just about the only one I know who is approaching this from an analytical perspective, myself included in the irrational god I hate this my personal reasons override any hope this film has with reaching me. On the bright side, this film might... and I mean MIGHT, have that one scene like the airliner rescue in Superman Returns, that makes me look at it and go "Damn! Now, that's (Insert Character Here). I doubt it though, I just don't think Bay is that clever, and the script just doesn't show that.
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Pass that egg nog over here, buddy ;). I agree, my previous post was unusually crass, but to my mind, Bay and the term "shit sandwich" are synonymous. A "Duck and Bay" analogy just doesnt quite grasp my attitude towards Michael Bay. Merry Christmas, by the way.
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Stoopider. i hve read rational responses to your questions and I still see you attacking Yack. I think its time for you to stop now. 'Just like daylight, a sense of perspective, being rational, sex and social interaction scares them.' is just plain rude and personal...
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or whatever the fuck your name is.
I am utterly flabbergasted by some folks' emotional involvement with this flick. Transformers were cool when I was 10, but *even at that age* I recognized that it was a really, really bad show. Poorly written, poorly animated, and poorly executed. I know I'm reiterating what rj said, but it's worth repeating, I think. -
and then off to the casino! I love boxing day! keep this going guys, I want plenty of "nerdversation" for when I get back. I've posted more in this talkback than in any one talkback for like 3 years! tis the fucking season! ho ho ho, and Yo Eleven!
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I don't buy it anymore after it announced it was releasing a subscriber only exclusive Raiders of the Lost Ark cover.Anyway it's turning more and more to its website,log in for more of this or that.Well hello..that's why I bought the bloody magazine!,not so I can flip-flop between it and a bloody webshite.
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I was a bit out burst driven, having had to drive all day on Christmas - maybe had an hour with family due to driving to north NJ - from DC - for the girl friends parents (she took the train there last week since she can get off easier then I - wow - that sounded kinky - and is taking the train back Wednesday) and then drive to Delaware to visit mine, and then back again in the fog to DC, and then to work at 7 this morning. My left overs are in zip lock baggies - even the gravey that will pour out confectionous cake topping style. But I digress .... the script, I guess, will suck (haven't read it but I trust ya'll). I'm 33. I just want a disater movie with robots fighting and huge explosions so I can say "Wow, that's cool." This movie SHOULD NOT HAVE ANY MEANING ABOVE THAT. It's fucking robots fighting! It's not an allegory for something higher. Now, given the money put into this movie, maybe I should demand something better for my $10 but I doubt that will happen. But I will still put down my $10 and see it, and, even though THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE, the FX will overwhelm the script and I will leave thinking "Yeah, that was cool". We do have a right to demand something better then what will more then likely be on the screen but .... it does have Speilbergs name attached to it and he bats pretty well. Nonsensical - sorry about the airport. And I thought my drive sucked. I hope you were able to finnally pop a cork.
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Did Lego buy Hasbro? That sucks. Does that mean in 20 years the Bionicles will look like the way the Transformers are supposed too?
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nonsensical, I, too, will go see this movie, but only out of my enjoyment of those transformer cartoons WAAYY back in the eighties. Even then, I'll be purchasing a ticket to another film and simply sneak into transformers. For the record, Bay and co have not earned my interest in seeing this film. No, the creators of the eighties cartoons did that. I'm still in awe how Bay and his scriptwriters have almost single-handedly trashed my hope for this film. Oh well...
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Why is it black and white? To expect a good script and action. Godfather IV now thats plain silly. You can have great action and a brillint script. That is what people are after not just the same old ' join the dots' action fest. Yes its robots, so was Blade runner - so was westworld.
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Yes, we have seen this movie! Very observant of you. I liked it the first time I saw it in The Flinstones (the motion picture), Scooby Doo (the motion picture), and Bugs Bunny (the motion picture). See? Even your lame attempts at sarcasm are unintentionally ironic. Oh, I almost forgot. You suck.
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You are obviously one of those people who are there to just talk shit. I'm sure you glaze over what people have said and generalize as much as you can so that you can sound like you're reading, but you really aren't. Good on you. I'm sure you're more in that dateless wonder category than those who you are attempting to insult. If you like explosions so much go join the Army and request an immediate transfer to Iraq. You'll do well there. You and everyone else fail to realize that what is really the issue to the Fans of the "20 year old cartoon aimed at children." We see this as something of a modern classic. Sure it was animated, sure it was geared towards children, but in both the comics and the cartoons there were some great stories. As in actual STORY. The idea that this is being reduced to a pipebomb in a mailbox doesn't respect the classic nature of the story. It's the reason why Superman: Returns was not the film it could have been, and it's the reason the fans who like this are so upset. We know the story for this film is beyond flawed, and there is too great a departure fromt he source material for this film to win over the die hard fans. I know you don't understand why story is important, but when you grow up you will. Until then as Yackbacker said, "Please spend time working on your own issues. I'm done talking to you."
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of the films of the year. Along with flags and little miss sunshine. by the way....
once upon a time there was an idea. it was a simple idea. Originally concieved by Josh Friedman, it was about a drug lord who smuggled er Snakes on a plane. The buzz around this thing was huge. This movie is going on my list of the worst movies this year and ranks amongst the worst films ever made. Can sam jackson get his coolness back after SOAP, I doubt it. I will only see TF in the cinemas after the hype over snakes which blew up in newlines face. Snakes was an abomination. see the movie then make up your own minds. -
EVER! I saved up my allowance for months to buy a rental copy from the movie store when it was first released. I have lost faith that ANYONE will ever do that again, hence, the pop corn flick mind set. Only Cameron and Speilberg can do that. Fuck, I'm second guessing now ....
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I mean, for pete's sake, The Birds was just about a bunch of seagulls!! Don't you see, guys? Its people like Don Murphy, Michael Bay, and idiots like Stooopid that dont stretch, creatively. They look at some high concept and simply CEASE TRYING to make something original. Any film maker/creator can give you something with a concept, but it takes a real creative talent and dedication to take that concept to the next level, as Hitchcock, Cameron, and Ridley Scott, have (or had) proven again and again. Call it snobbery. Call it tight-assery. Call it whatever you want, but there is obviously a world of difference between viewers like Yack and viewers like stooopid, between creators like Bay, who are creatively dead, and creators like James Cameron. One obviously tries while the other just floats along in life with "dumb, mindless action." Giant Fucking Robots indeed...
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who the fuck ae you arguing with now. you sem to be ranting to o-one. look bakc over the thread. we have all moved on and made our point. it is simple.... some people feel that BAY whilst having the aility to create inredibly visceral scenes seems to lack the abitily to tie them all together with a good script. The people who rememer the ogiginal cartoon are like me mid 30's. They like intelligent scripts and great action... in the same movie
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Though overall, I think he looks badass and don't have any major issue at all. Like Quint said - if they talk the talk and walk the walk (yeah, I went there), then I'll be sold. Anyone know if it's going to be rated 'R' or not???
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right guys. great to talk with you. Apologies again guys for anytnihg personal. its really early in the day here and i.ve ben holdin my 8 week daughter trying to get her to sleep. She is now but a can hear my 2 year old daughter stirring in her room so i suppose i'll be off. Hope to meet up with you guys again soon. Until then enjoy the rest of the holidays...
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That's it, i'm done with you.
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By the way, Yack, I did end up seeing Casino Royale, and I walked away with mixed feelings. On one hand, the film was a pretty good film with some excellent performances. On the other hand, it didnt really have any of the nuances that I associate with Bond films. For me, it was a good film, but a bad Bond movie. Similarly, I thought Craig was a good lead, but a horrible Bond. Just my opinion, though. And yeah, he did look like the love child of Gollum and Keith Richards.
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jesus you really are a childish cunt just fuck off...
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but i think you agree warranted in this instance....
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that was deffinitely uncalled for ;)
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was inserted before your eggnog and children post. weird, huh?
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Dalbatron is on the other side of the fence from Yackbacker and myself, and even he is fed up with Stooopider. You realize that makes Stooopider the jackass of the other team that even they don't like. That is if you go back to comparing this discussion to some sort of sport where two teams compete and trashtalk. I think that's basketball. (Yes, that's sarcasm too.)
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I thought basketball was the sport where everyone just elbows each other, travels 5 steps to dunk a ball, AND trashtalks each other.
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...I'm starting to like what I'm looking at. And let's face it. Is Bay really calling the shots here or is Spielberg? The trailer feels like a Spielberg film.
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I think you're right... so would that other one be hockey? No, that's where they go out on ice and beat the living shit out of each other. Oh! It's cricket... right? Yeah, I think it's cricket.
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Going now... just a minute.
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That trailer was pretty good, and yet because I know where those scenes come from, I'm reduced to hoping against hope that the movie will somehow miracuously be the opposite of what all my experience tells me. Oh well.
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While you are making stupid movies about toys, we´re making Pan´s Labyrinth and Volver. Thanks for the opportunity of kick yout ass.
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and I'm sorry, but the 300 looks freakin' amazing.
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They are treating this like they did Sin City, with great respect for the source material, which also happens to be Frank Miller's work. So, I don't need to see this to know it's going to be good. I can pick up the graphic novel and read it now.
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I think I'm getting it here in Portland... so I'm fairly sure you will get it on your coast. Last I checked your main city was larger.
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Yep. Has my interest piqued.As for Transformers... I just watched the trailer again. I'm still there. My bitty heart swells whenever I see a giant robot. It's just the way I'm wired. I hope it's better than the Feb script. I hope Spielberg is more involved than we believe. I hope it lives up to that trailer, which is a very good trailer. I hope, I pine, I perish. It'll all come out in the wash, I suppose. Even if I hate it, I will still feel good that I can consider my money as a vote cast for more giant robot movies. And who knows? Maybe Spielberg will decide to take on Transformers 2.
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But it means nothing if the fundamentals (plot, characters, etc)behind a good flick are missing. And in the past we've seen how Bay has screwed these fundamentals up. I'm not falling for the hype machine again
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FF2 appears to be better than TF.
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"Oh, I am allowed to have an opinion, free speech, leave me alone" it screams. Then it goes on a crusade to trash a film it know nothing about. Except, as the great Harlan Ellison points out, NO WHERE is it written that you are entitled to an opinion. As a 20 year old pimply faced virgin, it is okayed to discuss the few things you know about, like masturbation. That is, it is allowed an INFORMED opinion. It doesn't know shit about the actually movie. Therefore when it babbles here it just makes istelf look stupid, then it puts the lotion in the basket. It thinks it makes it matter. Yacker- you will never matter because your inner lack of self esteem consumes you like a black whole. You hate Murphy and Bay and your betters because hate is your only option. You cannot love, not the way you look. So we pity it and we move to the desert and we kill whoever gets in our way. The end result is this- the general public LOVES the trailer and the want te see level is through the roof. Ninety percent of the TF Fans board have embraced the movie. Indeed, over fifty percent of the Aintitshit losers have embraced it as well. As the Mighty Murphy has said, he's movie on to getting John Carter right now that he has taken control of the project from the 400 pound blind blob you all gather to fellate. Like I said on a previous talback- IT IS DONE. Nothing Yackcunter or any of you remaining haters can do will stop this from being the number two movie of 2007. It can cry it can scream but it doesn't matter anymore- and never did.
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sorry spelling Nazi, I didn't feel you losers were worth the 30 seconds it took to re-read what I wrote. Also douchebag is one word, like when your mom calls you that you uncircumcized cheeseball.
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You don't need to reply- you cannot. You are done and might as well go to Iraq where they can try to make you a man and not a load. And I am not bragging, just stating that it will be the number 2 film of 07 and you will still be a turd.
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In case nobody else has mentioned it. You'll be waiting all day for Quint or Harry or somebody to post it here. BTW, in HD too, so , cool deal. There's also a new Simpson's movie trailer, for what it's worth. Not much too it, same exact intro as the last. http://www.apple.com/trailers/
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Next thing you'll try to make us believe you respect your family too. An empty loser like you has NO DEEP RESPECT, only venom and hate. That's why you contemplate the noose nightly. Take your bill of goods and your "allowed" non informed opinion and end it now. You're what is wrong with the world in a nutshell.
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I think some people here need to loosen up with Yack and his opinion...it is just that "an opinion" and like the rest of us he has one. I personally have no problem with your opinion yack, i think you have valid points and fears about the movie. My problem lies with the fact, that we have to take your word on the fact you among a few others have read "the script" for one you have offered no solid evidence to back up your word, and the only spoilers you give are ones that are pretty common knowledge, because they have been talked about in interviews or whatnot. You have yet to offer up any solid facts, and personally your word does not mean anything to me because i do not know you. And # two the only big spoiler that would make me believe that you "have" read the script, is the fact you stated there was a big fight between megatrong and prime the last 20 minutes of the movie.....but i mean, comon, obviously those two are going to duke it out in the climax, so yet again you are not stating anything that nobody else could not come up with without reading the script. And last but not least the third reason i am not taking your word on it, is because realisticly by the time the movie comes out from the time you originally read the script, there will have been so many changes made that it will barely rezemble the original script...that is the way hollywood works.
Seriously,just because you say that the trailers have shown signs that the script has not changed much, does not mean it has not..or that you have even read the script, it just means you are saying you have and then when seeing the trailer you say " see that scene was in the trailer...and that one also" offer us something substantial, that when the movie comes out we can be like "oh yah yackbacker was right" point is it feels like you are safegaurding yourself by only giving away spoilers that are common knowledge. You still have not answered my question, as to wether or not bumble bee dies trying to rescue Sam? My belief is , you cannot say yes and you cannot say no, because if you say yes, and it does not happen, your credibility is shot, and if you say "no" and it does, the same also happens. I think you are a smart guy and have good points, but we cannot be expected to take your word for it...especially when the movie has not come out yet. Voice away on your opinion, you just need to understand as well that there are going to people that either dont buy what you are saying, or who think you are "hating" on this film..because the overall point is, you are a trannie like the rest of us. And we all have our own opinions and feelings on what transformers mean to us as individuals...and what we would like to see done with them.
I also get the impression you have had a subpar christmas? sorry to hear that, for what its worth i think you are one of the more rational/calm TBer's on this site...its not hard to spot a non flamer,in a see of flamers. And lets clear this up people, a flamer is not someone who voices their opinion on the movie or others attitudes. A flamer is someone who "attacks" or deals out a wackload of personal attacks for no other reason then to get attention, or says things like " Don murphy pwns to suck" or " dam you micheal bay" or is constantly dissing and degrading with no valid points. basicly someone who talks out of their ass. And for the record "trannies" was not meant as a derogatory term for transformers fans. it was a joke for what it would have been called if joel schumacher had directed the movie...after all there could be far worse directors on the flick, i have never been a Mike bay fan.. but the dude that made "dungeons and dragons" or joel schumacher,or some other Key grip or "sfx" wizard turned director..would have been far worse a prospect. bay might have made music videos before, but at least he has a number of films under his belt now, and is slowly getting better. The island is not great, but you have to admit Yack, that it is far better then his previous films...he has room for improvement.
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whats wrong with the world in a nutshell are people like you. You sit there at your computer calling yackbacker "among others" an empty loser, and saying that it is why he contemplates the noose nightly,and that he has no deep respect, only venom and hate...and yet i only see him voicing his opinion. The only one i ever consistently spewing venom and hate is you my friend.
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I agree, i think harry and the rest of AICN staff need to start keeping on things, other sites often have updates a few days before this site. Allthough in their defense it has been the holidays and people get busy over the holidays, they cannot provide for us computer junkies all the time, thats why they created WOWC and counterstrike...we need something to keep our nerdy selves busy! while we cannot drool over updated movie news.
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What blows my mind is Pharty's constant repeating that we, in this case Yack, know nothing about this movie and therefore aren't even entitled to our opinions. Multiple set reports, interviews, tons of leaked images, Michael Bay's previous films, and of course the godawful script, but none of us have seen enough yet to even have an opinion, let alone an informed one? Bullshit.
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i cannot fucking believe the amount of people who have posted on this piece of shit i put it down to too much spare time over the xmas break, transformers is the most overated thing since lord of rings, sort it out!
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LOTR is considered great/classic literature you giant douche. Try reading something that doesn't have pictures on ever page, you might learn something.
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i have not seen the script anywhere on the net...so how could i see for myself? okay i will trust you on the fact that you might have read a script, but it still does not mean that it did not undergo changes. Action might have stayed the same,but dialogue and character development very well may have. You know as well as i do, there can be "alot" of changes to dialogue in post production. and after all the action is the least important part of the movie to you among others right? you want action, and bay can deliver that, it is depth you want no? something of the G1 characters to be in there, there is still a chance that they will be, but not in everyway we want them to be. That was the point that i was trying to get across that still seems to be being missed. There are many people that have to be pleased with this movie, and the director also has to add his vision to the movie, alot goes into a production this big, things will be left out or changed. How would you feel if you were to take on a movie of this scale, and the pressure that comes with it, and studio heads bearing down on you, and spielberg breathing over your shoulder saying " we should do this" "this needs to be changed" " we need to appeal to children and teens to" " you need to make people like bumblebee" this is not just a movie for the fans, it is a movie for everyone...and not everyone is going to be pleased. All i can hope for is a moment where i feel all warm and fuzzy and think " aaah there is the prime i grew up with" or a brief moment of familar feelings. it will never live up to our expectations, and that is a realistic statement to make. look at it like the scene in "hook" where all the lost boys do not believe it is pan, he looks so different,he is fat and hairy, uptight,and anal..nothing like the young pan,they dont trust him,they want to crucify him, but there is that one little boy that takes a moment and pushes the skin back on his face, and after a moment says " there you are peter"
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Yack posted a link to the script in an above post, that's what he meant by see for yourself.
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You and yack have some decent arguements, we dont have to agree, we just have to be civil with each others opinions. Unlike the last few posts in this thread, but the true flamers, are always noticable. i personally just dont take anything they say to heart, its like stoking a fire if you respond to those posts. I think i even used to flame when i came online, but i was a teen then and people usually grow up.
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Saying this is Nipples on Batman is an insult to Nipples on Batman.
Michael Bay = The Paris Hilton of directing. This is his stupid skank whore video playset version of Transformers.
All the people bitching about the flames are missing the fact that this version of Prime is BLUE and the flames constitute the only thing I can see as a nod to the old version, which was RED.
The problem with this film (besides the simple fact it's directed by Bay) is that it's NOT Transformers in anything but name. Flames on OP is just the icing on the non-transformers cake that goes all the way down to a layer of we-can't-get-the-name-right crust. Scorponok? SCORPONOK??? WTF??? It's a fucking Decepticon. If the creature had actually existed in the REAL Transformerse universe, it would've been named fucking Scorpikon. The problem, ultimately, is that on top of a shitty script and a director who doesn't know how to do anything but blow stuff up, not one detail, but EVERY LITTLE TINY MOTHERFUCKING detail appears to be absolutely 180-degrees on all three axes WRONG.
To you people complaining that fans are taking it too personally: I hauled hay in Texas summers to pay for Transformers that I still have. The first movie I saw in the theater by myself was the Transformers movie. If you don't mind what Bay's doing to this property, then you probably wouldn't mind him remaking The Wizard of Oz, but with Dorothy as a robot, but instead of the wizard, they're going to see the Witch, and instead of Oz, it's set in Iraq, oh, and Toto's a talking lizard. Fuck you. Fuck all of you. Wake me when this has bombed, so I can bitch about the next overhyped piece of shit on toast they're trying to call bruschetta. -
While I echo many of your sentiments, I need to point out that there actually is a Scorponok in the Transformers cartoons, and he is a Decepticon.
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With far less information about any Uwe Boll movie than we have about the TF movie, do you guys walk into a Uwe Boll movie with the same optimism and hope you exhibit for the TF movie?
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"If the creature had actually existed in the REAL Transformerse universe, it would've been named" - WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT? Now they have a universe? Twat-tard - the fucking shit is fake!
Don't let the creatures on your under-roo's fool ya - it ain't real. But the bruschetta crack had me rolling. Nice one. -
Just throwin' this out there for your amusement.
http://tinyurl.com/yge7m8
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...that the men and women who have died in Iraq are "stiffs". I'm against the war and all but that is just heartless. Boycott Wells! Not only is he a HACK entertainment writer but now a f-ing cold, rotten bastard!
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Let's see. Yack's out, so I'll field this one. According to the script we have access to Jazz is the one who dies, not Bumblebee. Sure, there may have been a revision in the two months before shooting, but it's not likely. Plus, Bumblebee is essentially the main character after "Sam". He's not going to die. So there's your answer.
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Badger posts a thread where Murphy WINS an argument intelligently and then tries to use it as an attack. Badger = TOOL. GreekJammer says something is funny just because his boyfriend said it. Said little greekboy= Tool. Stoopider makes you guys realize your worthlessness, = HE gets attacked and wins hands down. AugustusGloop doesn't even know TF mythology and then lectures on it= TOOL. And goddamn, Yackcunter doesn't let us down. It talks about Murphy who makes more in a month than it makes in a year. It makes fun of the noose suggestion when it knows it has contemplated it. It should shut up or else it gets the hose. Between Phategod the IRS loser posting here from governement computers and Yackcunter the suicidal know nothing opinion stater, Harry just must be proud.
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I omitted you above because that pimple you call a head is just fugly man. Murphy doesn't PAY me- I am permitted to attend to his needs. YOU are not. YOU = tool
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I find it funny (stupid) that people like Stoopid here are bashing and attacking anyone who doesn't think this film is going to be any good. They don't seem to get that these people aren't coming in here blind and saying it's going to suck. They are coming in here after having read the script that was completed less than two months before shooting, having seen the poor designs on paper, and now having seen them move like bouncing chickens in the trailer. You can't tell me that first animation of Vortex skipping across the airbase isn't bad animation. He bounces like a rubber ball. Anyway, people who don't like this aren't the people that Stooopid makes them out to be. They are informed people who see that this film is going in the wrong direction under the helm of a director known more for his making things explode than his quality film work. People want good films. Not fluff pieces and this film is already a fluff piece. Also, and this is to you and those like you Stooopider, try defending your position. Bring up a valid point. Don't just shout that Micheal Bay will own all your asses. He won't, honestly, and this film won't either. As for those posts up there that say this will be the number 2 film of 2007. I say sure... it will be number 2 right behind Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, FF2:Rise of the Surfer, the 300, Ratatoulli, and about a dozen other films. Number 2 from the bottom.
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I missed that one. According to the great and powerful wiki, Skorponok was only in the 3-part "The Rebirth" that comprised the 4th season and ended the G1 show. Never got to see that one. My bad. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scorponok
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Would someone publish a formatting guide for this talkback system? Mangles words mine does it.
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He dies on page 103 of the script. So you know where to look.
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whatever man, pic looks awesome to me! can't wait for the movie!
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Tis funny- you've never even owned a car little boy, yet you mistakenly think that I am Murphy, that Murphy uses drugs and that Murphy is a pedophile. I am PharteGodd and I am not scared of you. You are like a gnat on the back of a great gorilla- you matter not. Tell yourself how much you pwn tonight as mommy tucks your lonesome ass in.
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Listen- BSB- Murphy is likely in the Caribbean having a great time while you sit here WISHING you could know him. Did you see the Christmas card he posted of his gorgeous wife? Bet you'd like to meet a woman- one that wouldn't vomit when you come near. I don't go to the Stooges for comfort- I go because they are my friends. You could use some but will never have them. You are a tool used for opening the feed bins at a pork slaughterhouse. Useful to laugh at and no more.
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anybody know where to find the script online?
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I really would like Stooopider here to say something that has some merit. Go ahead and insult the people here. I don't care, and we can take it. Still, it would be nice if you didn't sound thirteen.
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Before someone says we can't because we are full of crap.
http://s6.quicksharing.com/v/5544137/primedirectivebman02_5B1_5D.28.06.pdf -
wow---- you really are an angry repressed homosexual mental patient
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Well, that makes more sense.
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You see how easy that was to change a few letters and make your name reprisent you even better than it has before. Oh wait... I should have just left it alone. The fact that you are spelling that way even adds to the fact that you are a dumb illiterate sod. One that is even more stupid than it would seem. Keep up the fantastic work, you're second grade teacher would be proud.
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FF2ROTSS
Damn. Acronyms suck.
http://www.apple.com/trailers/fox/fantasticfourriseofthesilversurfer/
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Apple.com you suckers! HA!
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I have never seen it and refuse to. They played that damn Celine Dion one too many times on the radio. (I was 25 when the Transformers came out, so really don't have an opinion, but felt like posting something.)
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one that has some people who can actually back up their opinions. That would be nice.
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I tend to type that. You're instead of Your. Most of the time I'll catch it. Good for you. You're not as illiterate as you make yourself out to be. Now if the rest of your comments reflected that spark of intelligence then we'd get somewhere.
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... I' m laughing my head off!! MOUAHAHAHAHAHAH Stoopier is really fucking stooooooopid ain't he... he's gotta be trailer trash... Mouahahahaha!! He's always trying to shit on everyone's head yet he's a complete moron!! and nonsensical, I don't think is second grade teacher would be proud... I don't think he was able to graduate kindergarden, because ... well he was "stooopider" than everybody else... MOuahahahahahah!!... Hey Stoopider, like I said before.. Go out and give some help to the needy... Would be nice not to have you post your "stoopid" comments...
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That's not a response to one of your many incessant insults.
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you suck coz just because its not exactly the same as the cartoon doesn't mean its bad. its the idea that counts, To do a Transformers movie you basically strip away all the pathetic elements from that done-for-children cartoon and keep/add the effective original ones. dont get me wrong i loved transformers (when i was a kid) but Today's standards audiences who are not familiar with the saga will look for other things in the movie other than say Oh-No-Flames-On-Optimus. Live Action is different than cartoon mainly because it pursues the story on more realistic logical grounds. so stop whining.
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... post something with "Borg"??? My god stoopider... Didn't think you were an ultimate nerd.. Really... "Borg"... Did you have to bring something that has "Borg" into play?? Are you already our of insults for them?.. Oh god.. go to sleep.. Tomorrow will bring back joy into your life..
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He's correcting me now! MOUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAH!!.. C'mon BSB and nonsensical.. you gotta love this guy.. makes all of this talkback worth wild!... MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAA! Go a-head, coreckt hus al too smithersreens!.. MOUAHAHAHAHAH!!.. We do typos, he Gets the grammer book on us! MOUAHAHAHAHHA!!! To bad you didn't do it in kindergarden... Might've graduated by the age of thirteen...
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I'm cautiously optimistic about this, the version of the script that's up for review is from February so there's a bit of change that could have happened since then. I guess we'll just have to wait and see before coming up with a truly informed opinion.
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Does that make you hot, thinking of other talkbackers dressed as whatever fantasy you want them to fulfill for you? It sure seems like it.
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.. and on that note... the talkback has become shallow and boring... God.. Was fun while it lasted guys... See ya Stoopider... Won't miss ya... Second time I've creamed the little tike!... I like me.. I like me a lot...
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There we go.. He's back the little Dyke!... Guess he think an hour as gone by, yet he arosed himself to man milk frenzy within a few seconds...
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this isn't the nerdback that I was hoping for! stupid (stoopid) insults do not a discussion make! not to mention I lost $200 at the casino...oh well, paid for by ugly sweaters
yackbacker, get us back on topic! I need my nerds arguing fix!(for newcomers that don't know me or my proclivities, I love nerdguments!) -
I'd rather not have you imagining any part of my body, most especially that one. If you truly want an excercise in futility then try getting ol' Stooopider here to make a real point or contribute to the talkback in a constructive way. As for Stooopid's lusting quest for my bodyparts, he's going to be pleasantly surprised at how easy they are to locate... with his mouth.
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Amen to that... Here's one for you Stoopider: Go two sea iffe u fhound yur bals. 'cose RuPaul whants a rubbdown hup is meet whole, hand he lickes u a lot.
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This douche had nothing from the start. All he's done is attack everyone on a personal level. He started with Yackbacker and then moved on to whomever was in his sights.
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Yep, he was also on other talkbacks doing the same thing... Dished it out with Yack then tried to move on to me with principles and shit.. I told him that before he questions anyone's principles he should start by having some of his own to back his stories up... Little twerp...
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i mean seriously, beam me outta here Captain Kirk :)
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I could spend hours reading fatfuckprimerib making a bad play on someones name and then stoopid typing in how he found that really funny so you are all his bitches . . . priceless. Just when you thought that you came on these sites to chat about films. Oh and about the film . . i will probably see it but that is probably because it has big robots in . . the transformers title is not needed on this film and they probably shouldn't have bothered getting the rights for it. Not sure if I'm meant to call someone a name now or not
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gotta be quicker than that, holmes
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Do you seriously think your argument is new or even has any merit? It's a movie based on an 80s cartoon and Spiderman is a movie based on a comicbook, and yet Spidermen somehow managed to capture both the look, feel, and even some of the exact story from the comicbooks and also managed to be both a great pair of movies and financial blockbusters. When a genre property is handled with a little love, respect, and talent you end up with something great like Spidey.
And for fuck's sake, saying Transformers will be the number 2 movie, even if it's fucking great, is just retarded beyond belief. Next Summer belongs to Pirates 3, Spidey 3, and Potter 5, probably in that order. Transformers will be lost in the shuffle of all of the other movies out next summer and can't possibly touch any of those other franchises. -
You really think you've done anything remotely resembling "winding geeks up" don't you? Get a fucking clue you jackass, people have been laughing at you, not with you.
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You fat fuck!
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You call me simple minded yet you're the one using terms like "simple cunt". Sounds like you're the one who needs to enlarge your vocabulary and stop shilling for Bay.
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Go have some more Hot Pockets. I think they're done by now.
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This looks like the Mighty Morphin' Megazord.
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Uh, no. If anything, the Rangers were inspied by Voltron.stoopid is as stoopid does.
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...Defender of the snack bar
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A lot of people are convinced by a two minute trailer that this is going to blow them away, especially if they're willing to pay good money to go see "big, dumb fun" (their actual words!?!). Me, personally would rather see big, cerebral, timeless fun with a heart and a great script from good script writers. But I guess it's too much to ask from a movie costing in excess of $200 million. Ironic considering great, well written films that you can watch over and over again like Rocky Balboa cost only $20 million or less.....
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Seriously, I've spent some time on here expressing why I believe this movie will suck, and the only response I usually get is "you haven't even seen the movie yet!" Would someone kindly respond with something intelligent and explain to me what I should like about this movie, and please no "it's about robots and explosions, that should be enough!"
And for those who inevitably will respond with "you haven't seen it yet" my response will continue to be AvP and FF1 both looked just as bad as they turned out to be and we didn't even have a script for those. -
I think the funniest bit about this movie is that EVERY geek who's crying about how terrible it looks is going to be buying a ticket to see it. You already know you're going to see it, just suck it up, be an adult and put up with all the stuff they changed and have a good time. When you hear a packed theatre cheering for your childhood heroes you'll feel a hell of a lot better.
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Read the original script for AvP that was later turned into a Dark Horse comic and then lament what could have been. Besides being a bad movie in and of itself, AvP borrowed elements from the excellent Dark Horse script making it impossible to ever get the DH film made. It's shit like this that feeds the fury over Transformers.
Seriously, do you guys want a movie like Raiders of the Lost Ark or do you want another Tomb Raider II?
Stoopider, if Transformers was in fact about nothing but robots fighting then it would actually be better than what we're getting, because it would be about the robots. Michael Bay himself said this movie is about Sam and his first car, there's your A plot, the Transformers are all B plot. Why should knowing this fact compel me in any way to spend my money on this? Forget the designs, forget everything else, why should I spend my money on a Transformers movie that isn't even about the Transformers? -
This from a guy (I prefer calling him a "SelfMilker") who has more posts/replies than anyone else on every freaking talkbacks... This guy has got to be kidding, you're insulting Shermdawg for a Voltron comment and telling him he won't get the girls... How about you little twat? By the looks of things here, you spend way too much time replying and posting than concentrating on trying to get "a" girl (not including inflatable dolls now, they don't count Stoopider they probably don't try to escape while you mount them... See there.. I said "they probably" which might actually happen even with the inflatable ones)... Seriously, you should consider going out for a bit of air.. might do you some good... All that typing and whacking off will burn a whole thru your brai... wait.. no that won't work.. you must have one to burn it out... Forget that... Dude like I said before, go get yourself a copy of a tranny mag and stop your bitching to everyone, next thing we know you'll be licking someone's ass so you can make a friend here, then go to school and tell everyone that you do have a friend and tell the other kids in class that they can't come to your house and play with you and him... Jesus... Like this guy actually has a life?.. I'm guessing here but he's got to have at least 200 + posts within the last 7hrs... Even Stephen Hawking is telling you to stop jerking off and try to get yourself away from the computer for more than 5 minutes...
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...but I'm not the one who said it, and I'm also not the one that wrote the goddam script.
We can argue about the designs and the "talents" of Bay and Murphy, but you can't argue with Michael Bay's own words as well as the script that many of us have read. If you don't believe me then follow one of the links in this TB and read it for yourself. The Transformers are not the stars of this movie, Sam is. Peter Cullen should have been the lead in this movie, not Shia LeBeetlegeuse. -
This movie is going to suck because they're leaving out my favorite transformer, the only one with any real heart: The Brave Little Toaster, The BLT, Toasteroxentronbot. I mean, yeah, sure his transformation was a little lame (going from a toaster with bread in it to a toaster with toast in it), and maybe he does spend most of the time lost in the woods, but if you ever need someone to fuck up a junkyard trash compactor's shit (HUGE problem for the autobots... huge), he's your boy. I don't know if you realize this, but there was a sequel where the BLT went to mars. Are you wondering how the FUCK the little toaster got to motherfucking mars? He met a ceiling fan, that's fucking how. Best transformer ever. Fuck this movie for not having him in it. No, wait, just fuck this movie for resulting in the WORST TALKBACKS EVER, like this one. Jesus christ you guys... I can not wait for this movie to be over with.
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Stoopider is living in his own little mind... Dude, you're a legend in your own mind... now .. go wack off ... Hangover... lol... what did you have? a whole can of Coca Cola? That's not a hangover... that's gas... When you have a hangover, you sorta just sit still and try not to operate anything that might hurt your senses... like I don't know... posting 200 comments in a couple of hours.. And from what I have to tell you, the banging of 2 teachers (Mr Hosborth, and Mr Clemens), sucking the teacher isn't really "banging a pussy"... go ask the nice reverend, he'll give it to you like he did before.. or was that your uncle? And your grandpa bangning you tomorrow thing, you should call the cops.. but wait.. I forgot that it was legal in your trailer park MOUAAHAHAHAHAHH!!!.. too funny kid..
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dicks are for chicks! You want to bait something, go dip your dick in a pirhana tank.
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May God have mercy on your souls.
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I must give you the talkback since you obviously can make those name changes, wow.. Really.. I think I caught a nerve there... Was it really your uncle? Explains a whole lot... You area little retard, and that's the funny thing.. You writing you're baiting us and shit, you have the 200 + posts and most of them are retaliations against most users, guess what... It looks like school all over again for you ain't it? Everyone picking on you... Guess life ain't done with you yet... Next you'll be the loner at work, you should go to a shrink, would help you out... On that note... Have fun replying your head off 'cause I'm off the talkbacks for a couple of hours... You can do whatever you want, 'cause I won't be replying so there you go.. I'm leaving your little world, just like your mommy and daddy did when they left you behind on that dirt road, but kept the 17 yr old dog...
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My apologies to the veteran Tb'ers for responding to an obvious troller.
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Dec 27, 2006 12:25:07 AM CST
Assumptions are the mother of all f**k ups
by it is not the end of the world
ahh yes, the Transformers debate
I can't say for sure, if this movie will be good or bad, but from what I know so far it seems more the latter.
Entertaining Yes, Intelligent No
I know the original G1 story and dialog, weren't exactly in depth, or thought provoking. That doesn't mean they have to take the same approach to the movie.
I have read (skimmed more like it) through the rough script
They do have some interesting ideas/concepts which I liked. But they are very few and far between
and I don't see how any little refinements would change my mind, cause my problems have got to do with big plot lines, which probably can't be changed
Not saying this movie will be a awful movie. It just won't be a particularly good one.
If anything
It will be a movie that will leave you thinking "What if". But what movie based on a franchise doesn't
Least the girl in it is hot
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Bout time too, I think stooopid was going to go into a fetal position and cry soon because you weren't here.
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I've been sitting here typing up some homework for my game design classes and refreshing these TalkBacks now and then.
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I've read a lot of scripts over the years. I've always had the fantasy of becoming a director or a screewriter, and my current game design classes have focused a lot on scripting and storyboarding, albeit for games, but the line between scripts for games and movies has been blurred for quite some time now.
Anyway, this script absolutely reeks of hackery. The dialogue is embarrassing, and all of the "plot twists" that the humans go through are so incredibly contrived it defies belief. SPOILERS BEYOND
First, the eBay thing and the Xbox thing are so incredibly stupid, "Lookit us, we know alls about that stuff you wacky kids are into nowadays!" "More than meets the eye!" x 3??? The idiotic way all of the humans in the movie end up in the middle of the finale. How about the forced dialogue where we find out Qatar soldier #1 has just had a baby? WOOT, there's some Oscar worthy dialogue there, I was just waiting for some old guy to say "I'm too old for this shit!" and then die in the arms of someone who cries out "He was just two days away from retirement!!! WAAAAHHH!!!" -
I've insulted, engaged, consoled, cajoled, insoled, bemused, confused, perturbed and masturbated...and yet not a single person has acknowledged I exist...kinda disconcerting, isn't it?
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Just today that guy insulted, engaged, consoled, cajoled, insoled, bemused, confused, perturbed and masturbated people in this TalkBack. I wish he didn't exist!
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Oh man, I completely forgot about the one dimensional NSA workers, her and her lameass cliche partner both. "I have an idea, let's lift Jeff Goldblum's character from ID4, make him a woman, and then give her a geeky counterpart so she can be all smugly superior to the men around her!" "Fucking A, great idea, it's so original!!"
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...in the script? I'd have to vote for Bumblebee "peeing" on the Sector 7 guy.
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GIRL: "what do you really think of me" BOY: "I think there's more then meets the eye"
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And in what way is she more than meets the eye? Well it turns out she's not the stuck up prom queen after all, nope she's had some "trouble" in her past and she knows more about cars than Jiffy Lube. Translation - she got knocked up in the backseat of her Momma's Buick and she aborted the child with the oil dipstick. LMFAO -
Dec 27, 2006 1:54:41 AM CST
NutsackMichael Bay himself said this movie is about Sam
by donmurphystool
I will put $500 in escrow in one of Harry's fatrolls if you can prove this line you wrote..."Michael Bay himself said this movie is about Sam and his first car"
$500 for your pussy ass and all you need to do is PROVE it. If you cannot prove it, you have to identify yourself to me to my satisfaction and never Talkback again. You got the chops to step up, puss? -
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Wouldn't you kick your son's ass and/or kill him if you found out he was trying to sell family heirlooms on eBay? For fuck's sake, those objects would be priceless to the family, would they not? Selfish little fuck.
And another thing, Megs has been there in the presence of the AllSpark since Grandpa's expedition found him right? Why is it exactly that he didn't just grab the goddam thing and fly off to Cybertron? Nah, he's been dormant all those years because...because...because this script sucks ass and they never explain why he can all of a sudden wake up when he couldn't for nearly 100 years. -
the terms are clear- you PROVE something you said. You said it, why not stand by it. Prove it and I will give you $500. Fail to prove it and you never post again and ID yourself to me. If you refuse to choose either, then your TBers will know that you do not have any courage of your convictions whatsoever. You in. pussyboy?
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Yackie- you were not bet with here because you are not worth shit. I know some people who would love to know who Hairy really is. And NO, that does not confirm Bay's quote. So Hairy Puss, you in?
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He said that BAY said that it is the story of a Boy and his car. Not some retard name Quint or an actor- neither of whom say that by the way.
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You are still talking when you should be felching somewhere. Meanwhile, a nation is still laughing over the description of Quint as a journalist. And yes I have talked with Bay. Turd.
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I am under no obligation to prove something DIDN'T happen you stupid piece of shit. It didn't and I made a proposed bet with Hairy NOT You. NO ONE likes you- no one. I care if he said it- because I KNOW he didn't and dickwad quoted it as fact. Now he can prove his facts or chicken out before God and the douches here. YOU should go felch as I said before- NO ONE wants to hear from you.
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No bet was made with you. A bet was offered to Hairy. The coward is weighing his choices. You cannot call anyone a name because no one listens to you.
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Felcher - a lawyer? Ha! You cannot even finish an argument logically. You obviously have no clients since you spend days here posting noise. My money is not dirty- please show me where I ever offered it to you? You aren't fit to brush my toilet my Felcher. There are people who want to know who Hairy is. Yes. And Phategod 1 and 2. And Bringing Sexy Back. These people already found Man of Stool and he posts no more. There are no threats. What would you do if you WERE a lawyer- argue that he has free speech of some shit? We want Hairy and Phate and a few others because we believe that their employers should know what they do. This is legal and allowed. Now go fuck yourself. Lawyer. Hilariass.
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Listen if you are a lawyer you are a poor one IMO and probably most of your clients are retarded or something. And admitting to being a lawyer makes you one step above human scum anyway. So IF you are you are a sucky one. A sucky scum. You must be proud.
Anyway WE don't want to bring cause of actions against anyone. If we did, we'd go the RIAA route, that one or two individuals are making up lies (hmmmm...you?) for Intentional Interference in Prospective Economic Advantage. Then we supoena the IP#s of all of the mutts on here. We don't have to win- just make it hard for Hairy et al to continue. And of course, since Hairy and Phate are posting from employers' computers, make sure their employers are summoned into this with the end goal being their ruination. This, if you are a lawyer piece of shit, is perfectly legal. Either way, you are still a douche. -
This is boring. Hairy if you accept you can email me and we will set the escrow. If you don't ,well we all knew you were full of shit. Yackcunt- the thought of you as a lawyer still makes me smile. Ciao doucheo.
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I never said that the cause of action against Talkbackers had ANYTHING to do at all with the bet I offered. Your reading comprehension is at a third grade level- odd for a lawyer. You choose to miss my point entirely anyway- I don't have to win the lawsuit in order to win it. And as a lawyer you sure cannot make up your mind. Am I noted film producer Don Murphy or just an idiot like you?
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If you are a lawyer you would know that the truth is an absolute defense in court. If Phate or Haiy are posting at work and WE tell his work and they choose to fire him, that is sad but not actionable. You could ask Man of Stool, but then again, we got him before the holidays.
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It would be about a boy and his first ring. A coming of age story..wow..sounds promising
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i´m shivering with antici...pation
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....and look what fucking happens!
Dear Mr. Two Chins Tarantino Bitch Slapped, first Spielberg said it was about a boy and his car in an interview with Alex Kurtzman and then the sentiment was followed by Michael Bay in an interview with Quint here at AICN. Yack has already tackled this issue, and you have unequivocally been pwned like the bitch that you are.
As for your threat, you call me a coward but where's your e-mail address I'm supposed to be using?
Me, I'm not hard to find at all, with two videos on YouTube calling your movie shit I'm pretty sure you could have found me if only your Cro-Magnon brain worked as well as our human brains do.
Oh for the record, I'm self employed, why don't you e-mail me and let me know what I'm up to so I can fire myself.
Also for the record, I'm also a fulltime student, why don't you e-mail my school and let them know how naughty I am too. God this is funny, my hippie teachers would love to know some jackass in Hollywood is threatening me, they'd laugh their Woodstock loving asses off.
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This is the funniest TB since, er, the last Transformers TB. I've been laughing my ass off at work reading this for the past hour or so -- which isn't such a good idea at a library. Keep bringing the ownage, YackBacker. I am severely entertained!
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Well, not like I should have been. Who exactly is PharteGoddPrime, and what did they do to Man of Stool?Quick recap please. (And give me cues so I can hum the Transformer logo flip when needed.)
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Thank youse YackBacker, Thank youse so much...
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...but all the designs are generally cool, and the trailer looks promising. The one thing I'm hoping for is that the film won't exclusively stick to a human perspective. Transformers has always been about the Transformers themselves, not our civilization's reaction to their existence. To change that would be a mistake.
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Where the fuck did our fat, little punching bag go? He's probably on the phone with legal checking to see if he can sue for being pwned.
My god, just when it seemed stoopider had totally derailed this TB by being, well, stupid, along comes Phartpwnage to save the day. Pearl Harbor sucks, but we love you Phartpwned. -
But what about Mr."DON MURPHY PWNS TEH SUK" a.k.a Man of Stool?And hoestly though, I seriously dout Pharte is actually Murphy. If it was, do ya really think Speilberg would let this shit fly? It's most likely one of the Stooges.Oh yeah, and R.I.P. Chevy Cha...uh, I mean Gerald Ford.
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If I wake up tomorrow and find $500 sent to my PayPal, then next summer I will take all of my TB friends to see Don Murphy's movie on Don Murphy's dollar.
Let's see, YackBacker, PhateGod 1/2, superninja, and who else has been here in the thick of slagging this monstrosity with us? (it's almost 3 am here, so sorry if I forgot you, whoever you are) I'll even invite AllSeeingEye and my friend Mr.NiceGaius because we share passionate non-gay love for Battlestar Galactica.
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Hairy Nutsack, did you ever see that movie. because if you did you would be amazed at how a movie centered on the boy instead of the Transformers themselves, would turn out so great. I think Michael Bay is doing justice to the transformers movie. plus you fanboys should be grateful that studios even considered to do a movie about battling robots. so I say again stop with the whining. because believe me kids today dont think about giant robots, its all about pokemon and yogi go blah blah shit.
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I'm not a fan by any means of phartegodd's crap, but I do have to take issu with what you quoted against him **http://www.aintitcool.com/?q=n ode/24383 See quote: QUINT: You know... I sat down with Bay before shooting and he told me that the whole hook for him with this project wasn't the robots or the action. He said it was the human story, specifically your story, what he called the All-American story of a kid getting his first car. SHIA LABEOUF: When I met with him he said the same thing. That's why I was into it. I mean, yes it was TRANSFORMERS and oh shit! You're taking me to meet with Michael Bay, but then he was like, "It's a coming of age story."** What quint said, that refers to what got bay interested. What was said to Shia, also refers to the arc of the kids character. I'm not saying you guys are wrong, just that this quote does not actually back up what you are saying. If hairy is right and there is absolutely no real comeback on him, why not get something that actually proves what you say and make an easy 500 bucks. I could find a use for $500 in your position. Also, to the guy that posted that the TF cartoon is a modern classic? No. Just no. That's the sort of fervour that helps no-one. While I would be happy with more than just explosions and bots, sometimes we really just need reality to creep back in.
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Yackbacker, if I'm right, the script you are talking about has no mention of teletraan 1. At the start of the TB (i'm in work on a helpdek, so have lots of nothing to fucking do!), there is mention of designs for teletraan 1, and prodcutions designs, etc. Is it so impossible that you did not see the final script? Of course, I could be completely wrong, but i'm rationally debating as opposed to calling people cock jugglers. Although, I now feel the need to actually call someone a cock juggler. Maybe my boss.
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Optimus prob is the closest to Gen 1 as we are going to see for visual, I am happy with it so far. Trailer looks great.
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Its not just about a boy and his first car. Its worse than that, It's also about a boy who gets bullied around in school and can't get girls to like him. Its a family movie that just happens to have big robots in it. By the way, looking at the trailer, nothing from that first draft script appears to have been changed at all.
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There's hope for all you geeks out there
by it is not the end of the world
If your a geek, and you want the hot chick, all you have to do...is save the world. Hopefully befriending giant transforming robots. Simple enough right. oh....and don't forget the "you're more then meets the eye" line. Its Gold Jerry..GOLD!!
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It worked for the spiderman franchise so far. But TF is a different nut entirely. Its one thing to have them bonding with and protecting humans, but throwing in all these family elements really isn't necessary. Plus, I'm really not looking forward to Michael Bay stylized shots of family members embracing with flags waving, the sun setting in the background, and music swelling up.
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Honestly, you would have thought that a man like Murphy/pharte would have better things to do with his time then flame away at the truth. Oh well...
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You mean, I could see myself as spike? WOOO! Now I'm super fucking pumped for this movie! Seriously though, I would have seen it anyway, just to know. The trailer has made me look forward to it. The talkbacks have devolved into a retarded art vs spectacle argument, but we need to take lessons from the 80's here. Commando, as a piece of film is trash, but is so goddamn entertaining. It just works. As for speilbergs involvement, when has he been involved in a truly bad movie? A poster earlier on noted the trailers spielbergian qualities, and I see that too. Rambling aside, its quite possible that A) the boy and his car angle is not the whole movie, and B) if it is, the movie still doesn't suck. I'll see it in the cinema, and go back again if its cool (I don't pirate movies, i genuinely do equat it with stealing)
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He totally did 6 months ago when those pics of Prime and Megatron surfaced. Yack was so disgusted he didn't bother posting anything and vowed not to talk about TF at all. What made you change your mind dude? Also, whats this 2006 script I'm hearing about? Its still the same shite as the 2005 draft, right? (which is an unholy amalgam of ID4, Godzilla, and National Treasure).
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own this talkback. This is the funnist shit I've ever read! You guys .... yesterday was the first day back to work since Friday. Nothing was going on so I jumped on in to the talkback, posted some shit (trying to get a rise) and left around 5ish. I then come in today, get some stuff done and check out the talkback again .... JEBUS! Ya'll need to find some good porn, close the window shades, put a beer in one hand and your cobb in the other and go to town to relieve some of the pent up anger. Or, find so sort of progressive resitance device - like a twat. i kid. Keep it up. By the way - can you post the script link? I can't get the above to work. Thanks!
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Who would dare pass up an opportunity to trash a train wreck like this transformers movie? Although the action scenes do seem promising, I'll say that much. Sounds like the fucking Yankees are trying to nab Zito by the way. Be concerned, be very concerned.
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The mary whitehouse gags had me laughing, but apart from that, dude, calm down.
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Now he's currently hard at work eradicating cancer. Geez, get with the times, will ya Yack?
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Which is a smart move on their part. He's old and creaky. Why Arizona actually wants him back is a complete and utter fucking mystery to me. Problem is, if the Yanks are able to get rid of Johnson, they'll target Zito like freaking sharks with lazer beams attached to their heads.
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He's the new phartegod and I love him already. Don't ever change cupcake. We love you just the way you are.
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Seriously, why do you enjoy beating dogs cupcake? That's pretty damn sick. After all dog baiting and AICN messageboard baiting are pretty much the same thing (except we're marginally smarter than canines). I know you bait dogs cupcake and I'm coming looking for you.
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...but in a sad and somehow endearing sort of way. Its ok cupcake, everything is gonna be ok...
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For awhile there i truly believed that hairy and yack were capable of a decent arguement and held alittle maturity and honor...and that pharte was the biggest flamer in the threads. But it seems i was proven wrong, you are in the same category my friends...because neither side is willing to hear other opinions or to keep an open mind, they truly believe that their opinions are the only ones that matter, and that this movie will be the movie " they think it will be" It is one thing to get excited about a movie or go "meh, not for me" but to full out roast it, or say "its going to be the best movie ever" before it is even out, is unrealistic and immature. Either way i think there are going to be quite a few people in these talkbacks who's credibility is shot after it comes out, i will see the movie and judge it from there. And strangely enough none of those script links have worked, i am alittle dissapointed, i actually thought there was going to be some discussions on the movie, not yack and hairy flaming with pharte....seriously sad.
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...I'm bringing my laptop on the road with me, because I don't want to miss an exchange like the above again. Funny shit, guys. Optimus is looking good, by the way. Kind of hard to believe folks are still displeased with his design.
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I mean, I've been known to belabour a point or two in talkback, but the horse you're beating has gone from dead to decomposed to fertilizing the grass that made the hay to feed a new horse already. Don't you have any other hobbies? Oh, and Yack, I'm glad you approve of the new design. I wasn't talking about you so much as anyone still whining about how he's not G1 accurate or typing the obligatory "FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=(INSERT ATTEMPTED WITTICISM HERE)" comments. Happy holidays to you and yours.
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...of ass, BSB. I used to dig it the most. And I was kind of touched by the fact that this superheroic team of bird-themed hi-tech ninjas employed not one, but two of the mentally handicapped (Tiny and Keyop, or whatever that speech-impaired, google-eyed kid's name was). It was very progressive of them for the time (the actual time of the original airings, I mean, obviously...not the near future in which their amphibious transforming jet with the fighter-plane tailfin and the racecar nosecone and the ability to spontaneously combust operated). If they ever make a G-Force movie, I hope they remain true to the source material and hire Jerry from Facts of Life to play Keyop. They can get Corky from Life Goes on for Tiny. That would rule.
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The more important question is what do you do for a job that allows you so much free time to beg for attention here on AICN? My initial guess is that you're the guy who cleans the dead rats from teh subway tunnels, but thats far too time consuming a job and wouldn't give you the free time to post here on AICN. So I'm guessing that you're a pug fluffer. You're the go to guy who manually helps pugs the breed. That's you cupcake.
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I weep for the future. It saddens me that you are entrusted with the job of teaching children.
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"Your naivety in thinking that Bay is the first film director that's made films that kids see while he's taking drugs is excrutiatingly prevelant." Yes cupcake, not enough people knowing about childrens' films being made by drug users is a real crisis here in the US. You should look into solving that huge problem once you find the cure for homelessness. Cupcake you're a worthless dolt.
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His kind always comes back until the ban-hammer is brought down upon them.
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...leaked a while back, no. I've been avoiding it. I did the same with Batman Begins (despite moviemack daring me about a thousand times to read it and then tell him the movie might not suck). I've had some very misleading experiences with reading scripts before seeing the movies made from them (or the heavily edited/rewritten versions of them). Tarantino's/Rodriguez's From Dusk 'til Dawn was probably the biggest disappointment (the script got me all worked up, but the delivery of most of that dialogue was so shit awful...and the vampire effects so cheesey...that I wanted to lobotomize myself so I could forget seeing the movie entirely). Of course, Pulp Fiction actually looked a whole lot better on the screen than it did in script form, so that was kind of a pleasant surprise. Anyway, I usually avoid scripts and give the director the chance to make the movie before I urinate all over it or him. Film, perhaps more than any other medium, is a collaborative art form. The writer brings what usually amounts to the framework of a story while the director takes that idea and runs with it...often in directions that seem to contradict the screenplay...while the producers typically sit back, watch dailies, count money and offer unwanted opinions on how things should be shaping up. As an audience, it works best (at least for me) when I don't go into the experience with a lot of preconceived notions or color commentary from those who have strong opinions about how they'd rather things had been done. That doesn't mean I just eat and happily digest whatever's served (nine out of ten times, I'll annoy the shit out of whomever I saw a movie with by explaining in detail how I might've done it differently), but I like to give the effort its day in court before I condemn it to an eternity on my shit list.
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Is that where all the humor went? What TB did the funnyness flee to?
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The answer is yes. To the Talkbackers- notice Hairy NEVER took the bet. Pussy. Man with no courage of convictions. Never to be believed again. Yackcunter gets owned again and again by stoopider and acts like it isn't happening to him. Funny shit. It is amazing that I have to talk down to Yacky who claims he is a lawyer. A lawyer who is on Aintitshit 24 hours a day. Probably the kind of lawyer who hires Mexicans to rear end Mercedes. Anyway, here is the claim- the claim is that one person using multiple handles is fabricating attacks on the film and libelling the Mighty Murphy. One supoena gets all the TB records and registrations. A few letters sent to in good faith get to the bottom of whether this is a conspiracy or not go out to their employers and IPs. Then wanks like Nutsack and Phategod (who admits to posting libel from US Government Computers) can explain to others why they have time to attack professionals and films in order to make their empty lives feel better. Yackcunt- please tell everyone here that this can NEVER work. Hairy- if you accept the bet try me at babarthemighty@hotmail.com. Stoopider- there's no longer a point- it really is a moronic cunt and it will get the hose one day soon.
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No i do not agree, if a flamer acts immature and baits you, it does not require that you do the same...or even respond for that matter, it is harder to take someone serious when their actions are along the same lines of the flamers, and saying saying " he started it first" in so many words will not change my mind, and like the movie, i will base any judgements on what i see. I have an opinion, like you and everyone else in here, but my opinion is rooted in the fact none of us have seen this movie yet, so none of us can truly judge it "script or not" i have found many movies that other people found "one dimensional" to have meaning and depth...and the same goes for many "okay" scripts that i have given the once over to, before passing it along. Scripts pass many hands yack, and undergoes many changes before principal photography, not to mention that dialogue,and the emotional context is changed, subtext as well. When a script is written it has to get approved and greenlit, and it is usually because there is potential for a concept to work. But first it might be read over by another writing party, or tweaked to make certain things work. So if there are similarities from the script in the trailer, or if exact scenes from the script were in the trailer, it does not actually mean that the movie will "be dissapoiting" or "will suck" It means that certain liberties have been taken due to time restraints and cost, not everything will be changed, and sometimes when you read a script the scene will come across as one dimensional and hollow, because it still lacks the emotion of the actors involved, as well as the creative visual team behind it. I do not know what vision micheal bay has for this movie...but i do believe he is a director capable of pulling off this genre, and that his work has come along way since his "mtv video days" I am not a huge fan of peter jacksons early work...dead alive,the frightners,meet the feebles, were far from the quality of heavenly creatures,and lord of the rings..in terms of writing and direction. certain directors grow and learn, you do not start out a great director, you start out an "okay" director and some like the much disliked "Uwe boll" are not at all about a good movie they are purely about profit, they are con artists and charmers...they know how to wheel and deal so that they keep costs of production low by hiring washed up or third rate actors,and know that for the price that went towards making the film, they will still make a buck, trust me..i know how it works. unless you are truly submerged in the industry and know how it works, you cannot judge a movie purely by its script. everyone fan has concerns when a movie is being made from their favorite iconic cartoon or super hero, but what do you lose out of it if the movie "sucks" or is subpar with your built up expectations? you lose the cost of movie admission. But if word of mouth spreads that the movie is bad, what do the people involved with getting it made lose? They not only lose money for the studio, but their credibility as well..it is alot harder to get people to back you, or put up money without thinking " this is not worth the risk, they have a bad track record" unless of course you are Mr Boll, who proceeds with charm and gets the people involved drunk over " a dinner meeting" and then speels on about how great the movie is going to be, it is easy to make something sound exciting to a drunk man =)
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that anyone has ever accused me of being a beta male. To those ill-informed, Yackbacker, superninja, and myself had already pulled out lawn chairs to watch this trainwreck. I may be mistaken, but I think Nice Gaius and a few other TBers were a part of that whole group. Gosh, when was that? 4 months ago or so? Oh, and stoop, somehow, Im rather dubious of your position as a highschool teacher. True, stranger things have happened, but it seems a rather odd choice of profession for one of your temperment.
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thank you, for actually understanding how the script process works...it is nice to have a grounded post that i do not have to roll my eyes at for having a lack of understanding. Your posts go a long way with me in terms of a non-ignorant frame of mind... this TB was seriously starting to lack that.
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...I'm afraid my head would explode from laughter.PharteCowardPrime: your ways are tired, your threats are impotent, and your point of view is meaningless. However, the fact that you appear to believe that one lone Talkbacker is operating under multiple handles to libel Murphy can only mean one thing:You are zfisk/homewrecker. May your god have mercy on your empty soul.Carry on TUADMAHS. Carry on.
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Yes i absoloutly do admit that not all bad scripts become great movies, but that was not my arguement. And you Sir were absoloutly right when you just stated my point " there are always exceptions" it works both ways. And if a bad script does become a bad movie, then the person to blame is the person who approved the script and passed it along, as well as the person who greenlit the project...not everyone who works in hollywood has " a feel" for their job, reading a script is somewhat like trying to read a human being, you might think you know who they are,but unless you have been around people for a long time, you are only taking a blind guess, even if you have a very good idea who they are you still might not understand their true potential/nature.
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Not the new americanized version, but the old, badly dubbed asian version. For my money, it doesn't get any better than watching crazy chefs scramble to figure out how to cook octopus labia.
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I agree. As much as I'd love to jump in and help rip MurphArteGodd and stooopider new ones, I don't want to disrupt the perfectly zen-like balance of complete and utter ownage on display here. Yack's pwn-fu is indeed mighty and a beautiful thing to watch.
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I read on another site that, according to a reviewer of the script, the Transformers make up about 30% of the film. IMO that is enough cause to rename the movie to something other than Transformers. p.s. I finally read "Make Love the Bruce Campbell Way*directors cut" F***ING hilarious!
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His show is tits, the one where he's ripping on ABBA is gold.
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I think the flames on the woks ruined the more recent incarnation. Chairman Kaga chomping into a green pepper, turning to the camera, then grinning like a pedarest never ceases to amuse me.
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You are bitching about the wrong things. Flames on Optimus = who gives a fuck? Transformers crashing into present-day earth in "protoform" or whatever they call it? What about that? Where's the bitching that they don't crash on the Ark into a volcano in prehistoric times? See, I think they missed a huge opportunity with that one. They could have made it that the crash of the Autobot and Decepticon motherships were the catalyst for the end of the dinosaurs. Oh well. And why no bitching about the lack of an energy-based mace/axe on Optimus and Megatron? It was only in the first episode, but it's G1 dammit! Blah. This level of bitching should have been reserved for the Elves coming to Man's rescue at Helm's Deep, or the Batmobile having hydraulics. In other words, it's fucking pathetic.
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How are you doing, young man?
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Bpbby Flay makes mediocre food that tastes like it could come from a Ruby Tuesday. It bothers me that he's so damn arrogant about it too. I went to Mario Batali's place, Po, a while back and was also very unimpressed. You guys been to Dinosaur BBQ in Harlem yet? It freaking rocks.
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Is anyone as sick of the term "haters" as I am? If I never hear the terms "hater" and "apologist" again, it will be too soon.
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Masaharu Morimoto pwns teh Flay.
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FYI, they opened up last spring BSB.
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he is missed that is!
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A huge yanks yanks fan and a german? Yikes is right. A jewish mets fan like myself would be freaking terrified to venture in there. Yeah I go to that chow wesbite all the time, it rocks. I love the messageboard topic "Got Red Lobster gift card...now what?"
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That place is incredible. Good fries and good sauces. Best hangover cure ever. The saturated fat ban in NYC is going to kill their business though.
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I hope everyone had (or is still having) a nice Holiday. I don't know about you but I'm very much looking forward to the New Year.I know that my optimism regarding this movie is really more of a fool's hope. But reading the masterful ownage displayed here seems to somehow make it all worthwhile!And how is it that PharteCowardPrime is still posting?! Don't get me wrong, it makes for incredible entertainment. But he should be banned on general principle.Yackbacker - my compliments to the chef. The ownage was delicious.
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its called Southbound BBQ, and its pretty damn good (for westchester anyway). Its in Valhalla. Ever go to that Candlestick place in Scarsdale? Best. Wings. Ever.
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I hate that word too, why did I even use it? But if by bait you mean my complaint about the Ark, I'm not sure you can get further from the cartoon source material than that. I just find it utterly ridiculous that people are bitching about fucking flames! It's a god damn truck. That transforms. Into a robot. So long as he has a blue head with pointy things and a mask-like thing on his face, I'm happy. I also think it's funny that no one cared when that one autobot plane was really just a ripoff of the Veritech fighters from Macross. I mean, it was the same damn toy with a new paintjob and an Autobot symbol instead of skull and crossbones.
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I need to save this TB... I've got some serious eating and exploring to do.
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First I got to go after Allseeyingeye Who came after me first For only posting In TF talkbaks. I dont what it is to you But it the only subject on this site I feel the ost adimate about. For the most part your pro movie views had been the most intelligent but you started sounding like a Bay/Murphy Sycophant who wants nothing more then a Dumb Action movie so be it. Now on to AINTITSHOT (for those who don't know that is Phartgoddprime's a.k.a don murphy's first Username here. Now your trying to get me Fired well first of I am allowed to use My PC for personal use as long as it on my time 2. You are a ass. I bet if you spent half the time you do on the internet as you did Producing your Hit to flop ratio would be alot better. I find it funny you called someone a spelling Nazi seeing as how your biggest insult with me has been my spelling. I don't know what is sadder the fact that you come here and post a bunch of garbage, the fact that you welch on bets, the fact that you posted on Sycophant.net telling your alter ego to stop posting over here, Or the fact that you've called for banning of my accounts on various websites only be banned yourself. I tell you right now Don I don't care if this movie is the greatest peice of film history ever released you will never receive my $8 and If I ever meet you I will beat the Holy Shit out of Triple chinned ass.
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I have to ask you Mr. Chin Extreme, how exactly is there a bet to even be had at this point? Yack deftly destroyed you already, so why do you persist? Seriously, I'd take you up on your bet if there was any reason to do so, but it's over already and you lost before I had even had the chance to read your challenge.
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I think the pic looks great. Im tired of all you hacks on here complaining about something you couldnt do on a good day. It could be the best thing ever and you'll still whine.
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I think the pic looks great. Im tired of all you hacks on here complaining about something you couldnt do on a good day. It could be the best thing ever and you'll still whine.
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How do I take the bet when he's already lost? That's what I don't get, what's he really after?
My guess is he's looking to send me a spam bomb like he did that jegoing (sp?) guy. Whatever, the only e-mail I ever give out on-line, the one that is attached to my TF videos, already gets bombarded with spam daily, and my spam filter works just fine. If Pharty really wanted to contact me he could just go to YouTube.
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We know OP's arm morphs because of the leaked pics, I don't recall if it's in the script or not, but I think I do remember it being in there regarding BB.
I don't really get why they did it other than to make them even more complicated. It's no big deal I guess, but it definetely smacks of them trying to out-morph Venom next summer.
What I don't get is why Hasbro would allow them to make this change, it's not like they can reproduce the effect with their toys, they'll have to make replacement or add-on limbs which always drove me crazy with the original toys. Remember attaching Starscream's hands? How about the Constructicons, always hated that 1/3 of Devastator was made out of parts that didn't come from the vehicles. -
to quote you "We all know there's things we'd like to change, but that shouldn't detour us from supporting this film." Pardon me, but I'm under no obligation whatsoever to "support this film." You make it sound like this is some small indie arthouse project that needs more press and nurturing to suceed. Please, its a freaking Jerry Bruckheimer, fireball riddled summer blockbuster. And yes, If I don't like "small" details such as the movie not even remotely resemling the original source material, I'm going to speak up. Clearly our opinions about TF differ. Let me just ask you, for how much longer do you intend to apologize for this film?
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Enough. Call each other collect! My sick sense of curiosity made me come back to the TB and you guys are still going at it! Wow. Progressive resistance device = pussy.
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I'm actually looking forward to the talkback after the movie comes out. Because I'm sure there will be things about this that piss me off and I suspect you might be surprised by some of what ends up on the screen. Of course, given that we're probably two of the more ambivalent spokespeople for our respective camps, that talkback exchange will probably have to wait until after the DVD comes out. Still, it should be an interesting discussion of what was, wasn't and might have been. For now I've got to get out of here because you guys are making me hungry (and I'm trying to quit second lunch as a habit). Holiday cheers to you, MNG, BSB, moondoggy, Doc P and all who enjoy a friendly, heated cinematic debate. May 2007 bring us at least one film we all have a hard time bitching about.
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You are right,Bay is not even close to the same category as Ridley Scott or Cameron...but i do see Bay for the potential he does have. I also have said the island was not a great movie but is was entertaining and did have alot more depth then his previous movies. Good point with superman returns though, in terms of expectations and what they can do to cause mixed feelings. I personally believe that Singer created a beautiful movie...and brought a completely different feel to the character while,maintaining some of the old ones....there was also to much of donners original superman in there. I looked forward to more of "bryan singers superman" but you are right again when you said "life goes on" these movies are not going to please everyone, but they are going to make money, and entertain. You have every right to want your mind to be stimulated by a film, but you also have the option of not going to a movie if the premise does not please you, it is a summer blockbuster...it is not meant to stimulate the mind or to just please the original fan base, it is meant for people who want to take their kids to a movie on a summer afternoon or in the evening...to have a fun night out,with the family. Comon yack, return of the jedi was not a solid flick with lots of substance and depth, it was full of muppets cliche's and cool action, it is filled with loopholes and is a mess in terms of writing and direction. But when i went to see it with my babysitter and a friend when i was 8 it was heaven, i was not thinking about loopholes, i was enraptured, and laughing with glee at the ewoks....even though now as an adult my opinion has changed on the movie in terms of movie making due to the career i chose, it was pure magic as a child.... and i can see how this version of transformers might be magic to a child nowadays. Oh and one more thing, as far and hits and misses are concerned, take a look at Kurt whimmers "Equilibrium" in comparison to his recent bomb "ultra violet" as far as i am concerned equilibrium was well written and an pretty decent flick, still had loopholes "like every film" and corny moments "like every film" but held my attention in terms of subtext and good script writing,and was a movie i was glad to see made. Ultra violet on the other hand i never read, but i can tell you that i thought the movie was drab and right up there with "alone in the dark" at least i finished watching alone in the dark. So just because a director makes a bunch of bad films does not mean he is not capable of making a good film, and just because a director makes a series of great films does not mean he is incapable of making a horrible film. i disliked flintstones, could not bring myself to stomach titantic, and was less then pleased by hannibal...it all comes down to personal prefference.
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I have to agree that there will inevitably be things in this movie that I will like, there were elements in FF1 that worked like Johnny and Thing. As they say, even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then. Honestly, I hope this movie kicks my ass, but I reserve the right to not be very optimistic about it.
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If Godzilla can't deliver on the simple concept of "Giant lizard of destruction destroys shit" and Alien vs. Predator can't deliver on the simple concept of "Aliens fighting Predators" then how could anyone have faith in Transformers delivering on the simple concept of "Transforming robots in a battle of good and evil." We are talking about a director who couldn't make a movie about Pearl Harbor actually about Pearl Harbor. Good one Don!!!
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First off, the whole LOTR thing was fairly new and fresh when it came out due to the fact that no one had made a decent fantasy movie in a while up until that point. Secondly, this story (spoilers ahoy) in Transformers is revolves mostly around some old glasses, a boy's first car, and some big robots that fight over the aforementioned glasses. That doesn't exactly blow my hair back. Sure the action scenes will be fun. But guess what, so were the ones in Pearl Harbor and I think we can agree that was an awful movie. From what I've read and seen so far, I'm sure it'll be a fun blow em up popcorn flick that makes roughly $60 mil and that's it, more or less a repeat of The Island.
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It was a complaint on this very that site that if Bay went out of his way to hire A-List stars then the transformers themselves would be overshadowed by the real people. The script supposedly deals alot with the human element in the movie so i imagine that should they have employed George Clooney et al, then really the Transformers screen time would have been cut right back.This whole lack of A-List stars has had me wondering for a while. While many people dislike Bays movies, he's not usually one to plum for nobodies in his flicks, infact he generally casts the flavour of the month, so to speak. To be honest, i think there's probably alot more TF in there than most people are giving it credit for; after all, given this movie WILL make a shitload of cash, then its surprising that many bigger actors weren't looking for a slice of that pie.As for movie made for the fans, well, that's all true and well but there has to be a balance between what the old fans remember and what they need to attract younger fans. While many people becry Bay/Murphy/Spielberg, i have a sneaking suspicion that Hasbro have more say in this than many of you are admitting to. I mean, Hasbro stand to make a shit load of cash from the merchandising and we KNOW that they're making toys. Where's the hate for Hasbro? As people who spend shitloads of cash on THEIR products, why not lay some of the burden at their feet. Since you hate Bay, what does he owe you? Nothing. Hasbro on the other hand are the people who have betrayed you.
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I remember reading a George Lucas biography and in it, many people commented on how poor the Script for Star Wars actually was. Hence the decision at Fox to have a limited initial release and the reason why Lucas made his millions on the merchandising. Lucas though scored with the aquisition of good actors. Harrison Ford, although relatively unknown at the time, was savvy enough to mold the character of Han Solo into something more than George Lucas had wrote; hence the old adage "You can write this but you can't read it". He also was boosted by Alec Guinnes, Peter Cushing and James Earl Jones. So if you want an example of a shit script and great movie, there you have it.
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Was the line i was looking for.As for decisions on directing etc. I couldn't care as long as the script was good. I've not read the current script and don't intend to comment on it, but for my money, if you were to pick a writer then you should get a veteran TF writer, (Simon Furman), and have his story adapted. That, i would have hoped, would allay some of the complaints people have here but i still say that, even with the best script, some people just won't accept the designs.
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The man in his weird bubble? Or the man who tries to burst that weird bubble because he's too pathetic to have his own?Seriously, as someone who actually wants to enjoy this movie i really wish you'd fuck right off.
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Everyone has to realise that Transformers is an 80's cartoon, things need to change to be somewhat realistic. They can blow 300 million on special effects and have robots righting in every scene. If it makes good money the next installments will prolly be bigger. You didnt see The X-Men wearing yellow spandex that would be stupid. The Transformers arent going to look like big kids toys. Megatron isnt going to turn into a small gun. I think everyones expectations on what they think this movie should be like will prolly be short lived but I think this will be a fun summer movie.
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But, he still had the benefit of a great cast. Also, the initial drafts of Star Wars were so close to "The Hidden Fortress", that Lucas had to consider licencing that story. He's always admitted that it was loosely based around Kurasowas work so it technically is an adaption of sorts though it sounds like i'm nitpicking.I will agree though that the age of Computer FX has taken some wonder out of the movies. There's just nothing they can't do anymore. That said, CG, like any tool works better in some hands than other. While George Lucas felt CGI was the only way to tell his story and he suffered; Peter Jackson used it to enhance his story and got the accolade. I'm all for CG, (it spurred me on to choose animating for a career though i work on a different medium), just as long as it isn't overkill.
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seeing as how you know, A. Starscream has as many lines Stan Lee in the Hulk, and looks more like Apeface. Now about this TF better then LOTR that is the most asinine statement ever written by a human being. After reading the script which can be described as a cinematic abortion, it does not begin to compare to one scene in LOTR. And for God Sake let me just say FUCK the designs let that shit go noone has said shit about the designs for the most part the main complaint is the piss poor script . and seeing as how you have not read the script Allseeing you kind of come from a half informed view now I don't know if you've read Yack's spoiler post but if you can defend that script feel free.
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he's attacking everyone the supporters and the haters. You still don't qualify for the hater of the year award I nominate AINTITSHOT A.K.A. PHARTEGOD A.K.A PHARTEGODDPRIME A.K.A DONNIE 2CHINS A.K.A DON MURPHY'S COLOSTOMY BAG, A.K.A DON MURPHY.
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I'm not getting into a pissing contest with you because, unlike most people here, you simply arent willing to accept anyones idea or willingness to wait and see. I've asked people time and again to show me something that is a final draft of the script and then i will give my critique on it. That said, even if it was finished, i'd probably still not read it since i like to go into my movies without knowing exactly what was going to happen before it does; kinda defeats the object of actually going. Tell me, when you buy a book do you automatically read the last chapter? People like Mori and Quint and Harry do this as a living, they can intepret a script and imagine how it will translate on screen. I've not seen any official staff member here review the script Yack has read but, like i said to earlier, Latino Review read the same script and gave it a positive review. Now, (and don't take this the wrong way Yack), given that Latino Review is a site dedicated to reviewing scripts and movies and, for my money, usually hit the nail on the head why should i take his word for it over a guy who reviews scripts all the time?Speaking of the script you love to remind us was done by "catwoman guy", it was revised by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman, i think they wrote Mission Impossible 3,(which made some money i think and got good reviews), collaborated on Alias with JJ Abrams, (which is a show i enjoyed at least till season 4), and wrote The Island, (which is nowhere near as bad as you like to make it out to be). I'd also like to point out that Latino Review also refer to that script as "one of the drafts". As for the designs. If i remember rightly phategod, your initial complaint WAS the designs. The very first image of Prime was enough to get you posting here. Please don't pretend that the designs don't piss you off.
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Dec 27, 2006 5:04:52 PM CST
Latino Review Script Review : http://tinyurl.com/ylk4tp
by theallseeingeye
Here's a snippet though of something i thought was important and what alot of people seem to be missing the point of."Another point I want to bring up is that the fans have to be liberal and let the filmmakers contemporize the story to some degree. For example, Laserbeak, an old Decepticon favorite of mine would be outdated if he were around today simply for the fact that cassette tapes really don’t exist anymore. Get it?"
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as a representative of the "urban arena" Bernie Mac and Tyrese do not "Own" they suck did you see Mr. 3000, 2 fast 2 furious they were complete crap. and regardless if you think they are talented or not they are either miscast or underused. Take Bernie Mac he could have been a adequate Jazz instead he plays a used car salesman in 1 lowly scene, and Jazz is rumored to be played by DMX (Blech).
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I can't awnser for phategod, but I am one of the guys who initially despised the designs. In fact, I still think most of the designs are far too busy, in my opinion. Sure, Optimus's over all design looks okay, but those flames really do look stupid. To say nothing of the horrible decepticon designs. For me, that was strike one. Later, I found out about the script and the attitudes that surrounded this production (Bay and Spielburg's comments) and that was strike 3. As far as I can tell, the only steps in the right direction were the hiring of Peter Cullen and the decision to use ILM as their effects house. Now, you can tell me all day long about how I should give it time and what not, but so far, I'm not liking what I'm seeing or hearing about this progect, to say nothing of the people involved.
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I've seen these Internet grudges consume people and turn them into parodies of what one can almost imagine sitting hunched angrily, hammering the keyboard behind a spittle flecked monitor. Hell, I used to let certain talkbackers crawl right up under my skin and it showed in my posts. I became needlessly mean and petty and even bent the rules of logic (which I hold pretty dear) simply to make others' positions seem less reasonable or valid than they might have been. I played to the crowd rather than seeking a free and open exchange of ideas and enlightened discourse. And do you know what I got for it? Nothing. No cookie. No trophy that said "World's Greatest Trollslayer" or "Bringer of the Pwnage" or anything even remotely like that. Any intellectual victory you think you're claiming in here is going to be a hollow one unless you can actually get the person you're arguing against to see your point of view...to concede that there might be some validity to your perspective. And you aren't going to be able to do that unless you try to understand where they're coming from. Anything else is just flogging your own gray matter in public, and I understand that can cause blindness and hairy forehead. Is it fun to flame? Sure...if its all in good fun. But no argument (or battle) was ever won simply because someone declared himself the victor. If you're interested in reaching heightened understanding, you need to accept the legitimacy of others' perspectives and use that information as a platform from which to reach for common ground (go back to Plato for the diagram: thesis + antithesis = hypothesis, from which discussion ensues). Or you could sling personal insults and speculate about how much larger your Internet penis is than someone else's. But, to be honest, that shit's dreadfully boring and you seem like you're a brighter guy than that.
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especially Gany's dear ole Starscream . but its nowhere near as piss poor as that script I while Gany and his friends have enjoyed the scrip the the people I Showed it to thought it sucked and it was ultimately boring and uninspired. It's funny I don't know much about the Comic Book canon but I can only Imagine how deep it is. Trust Me that script, as any Bay movie is anything but deep. I did see the Island and beyond getting to see a Cadillac Cien I thought it was a ript off of Logan Run.
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I understand why you two say, "give it a chance, give it a chance, give it a chance" to this film. Believe me, people like yackbacker, myself, and a slew of others would loved to be proven wrong. However, keep in mind that these TBs are something of a speculatory gathering; we sit and wonder whats going to happen and share opinions based on the knowledge at hand. Stooop--I realize where you're coming from, but understand that what you do is a bit different than a movie production. That said, I believe I can clarify this situation for you. Those two naysayers who doubted your ability were put in their place, correct? Why? Because they saw your work and were satisfied. Now I'll bet you that the confidence you have in your work was not always there, or at the very least was a bit shaky in the beginning stages of your craft. The reason you grow more confident in yourself and others around you is due to success, as you very well know. Well, the problem we have here is that the director of this film is not successful. In fact, critically speaking, his films are largely a joke, often annoying in their simplicity and ham-fisted plot, dialogue, and characterization. We've also seen the design work for this film and are left less than enthused. We've seen the script that was drafted only a scant few weeks before shooting and were left in, shall we say, less than less-than-enthused. And finally, movie buffs like myself have seen films and productions that followed very similar patterns as this one, and all with disasterous results (creatively speaking). All I'm saying, stooop and allseeingeye, is that we arent some naysayers who've never experienced artistic creations before. Whether or not we can actually create a movie is meaningless, we are quite familiar with bad and good movies and the ingredients that went in it. To put it simply, I can't cook to save my life, but I do know what happens when you undercook my pasta--it tastes bad.
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If what you see doesn't float your boat then thats an opinion you are entitled too. As a transformers fan myself i really want to enjoy the movie; i suppose in this case i'm a "glass is half full" kinda guy which is strange because, with me, it's usually the other way around. I will freely admit that i have, on many an occasion, drew conclusions about things, (books, movies, tv, people you name it), long before i've seen them/gave them a chance but i'm not always right; i guess thats why my dear old mother used to tell me to never judge a book by its cover.As far as the designs go, i have no real issues with them. I was never expecting faitful Gen1 reproductions to be brought to life on screen because, (and this is my professional opinion here if that's worth anything to anyone), I have a little bit more knowledge of how CG modelling works. The designs are very similar to what i expected and i cited the Citroen advert long before any final versions were shown here or anywhere else.Storywise, again i'm not upset that they've taken the material in a new direction. Despite what some here have convinced themselves, the cartoon and toys never really provided any deep mythos from which screenwriters could truly adapt a movie. The comic had great stories and i freely admit that; had Bay and Murphy had some common sense they'd have approached Simon Furman to pen them a story which could have been adapted. But comics are a medium with no time constraints, the story is over when it's over; a movie has to get it all done in around 2 hours. While catwoman guy is responsible for most of the script, i'd hardly say the two people who revised it are shitty. They did well last year with MI3 and i HATE the fact that the only thing that gets mentioned when the Script does is fucking Catwoman, seriously, it's like listening to some fucking propoganda minister and the irony is, I get called a stooge when i point that fact out. If i'm perfectly honest, an adaption of a 20 year old toy spin off would not sit well with me today, nor probably the kids today because they all seem to be wiseasses.Ultimately Moondoggy, if you want to hate it, then go ahead, just don't do a phategod and act like anyone who wants to enjoy this summer movie is..well..an idiot.
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Now I never will see Titantic.
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You see, for us, there is no confidence in Bay's work because it hasn't been earned. Similarly, although you didnt care very much for their opinion, those two doubtful gents were only confident in your work AFTER you had proven yourself. For most of the movie going public, to say nothing of the nerds in here, myself included, Bay has yet to earn trust and has even gone so far as to earn DIStrust. Similarly, this production has produced nothing but mediocrity SO FAR, and mediocrity combined with a weak director is a pretty bad thing. And when you add that medicrity and bad decision-making to a franchise thats as beloved to most anyone under 35 as Transformers (heck, Im a little over 40 and even I dug it), then your really asking for some negativity. I'm sorry, but I think Transformers has earned the negativity its gotten. I'm not saying that this movie couldn't turn around and prove me wrong, but I find it very hard to argue that this film hasn't earned what its gotten.
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The script became an issue AFTER the designs and no one seems to care if it's a final script or not. They could have an oscar winning script and YOU wouldnt see the movie because of the designs. The whole script thing came along way after because, let's face it, it added weight to your complaint. If you look hard enough, you can find the fault in anything.
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You know, I don't come on here that often, but I've never seen a thread desolve into such adolescent "debating" so quickly and thoroughly by (presumably) grown men who should know better. Let it the fuck go, everyone. You either like how the giant toy robots look or you don't. That's it, there's nothing more to it.
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I had this discussion with yackbacker in another talkback..I appreciate what some people say when they say they don't like, this or that, really i do. Its just some people, and i'm singling out Phategod here, can't seem to make up their mind what to hate and talk to you like you're stupid because you don't share their opinion.I work in the videogame industry and i've seen people tear stuff apart that they've never fucking seen or played before. I've seen, supposed, professional journalists start a hate campaign about a videogame because it doesn't feature a character from a previous iteration. Usually journos have a reason though, they don't get an exclusive or they've had their hands slapped for printing stuff they shouldnt have done. It's just a similar story here, with one person more than others to be fair, and i guess i kinda get a bit sick when i see shit like that.
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this follow excerpt is from one of the Mods on Seibertron.com regarding who came out of the pool in the trailer but you can take it in reference to the entire script. (Orci (one of the writers of the script) said in an update not too long ago that the essential story is not changed. The plot and skeletal frame of the story have no chnaged.)
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Allseeingeye, I completely agree with you and I myself fervently hope that this movie surprises me. I remain EXTREMELY sceptical, but I'm going to watch it anyway. And no, this negativity isn't really going to cloud my judgement because for me, its always been very, very easy to check my inhibitions at the door when it comes to films. That said, I really do dislike Bay, and certain aspects of the designs (mainly the coloring of Prime and the entire Megatron and Starscream designs). And stooop, normally, I would agree with you about waiting till after you taste something, but let me put it to you this way: on the advice of your friends/commercials/wife/whatever, you've been trying to eat at a specific resturaunt on at least half a dozen occasions, and every time your food has come out bad. And I mean every time; sometimes too raw, sometimes too burnt, other times too salty, etc. And save for a handful of people who seem to love this stuff, you and most everyone who has eaten there have come out with stomach aches and cramps from all the bad food. Now, someone says that there is a new steak coming out that could be one of the best ways to prepare a steak, but there's a catch: its ONLY at this specific resturaunt. Now, would you be less or more likely to try that food? This example is a bit simplistic, perhaps, but surely you understand. Now, imagine we were all steak nuts and have more than a passing interest in cooking and food. We'd be out of our gords with debates and gleaming lights of hope in a dark haze of negative buzz and complaints. And all of it completely deserved.
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It'd be a hit and miss. I wouldn't necessarily go their all the time but i'd turn up if there was a special on that took my fancy. But, that said, people quite happily gobble up crap at Burger King, McDonalds and Pizza Hut; it's all down to personal taste.Christ, now i'm reminded of the line in "As good as it gets" where Jack Nicholson says people who talk in metaphors should shampoo hios crotch.
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There are most deffinitely people who are completely over the top in their criticism. This is michael Bay we're talking about, however, and like it or not, the man deserves much of this vile for a plethora of reasons. As someone who makes a living from teaching and instilling creativity in others, to say nothing of attempting it myself, I agree that naysayers suck. But that is hardly the case here, is it? We're not talking about some untried director, unknown script, or themes we've never heard of, are we? Sure, we havent seen the movie yet, but an ample amount of trepidation is deserved, is it not?
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"Sewer rat may taste like Pumpkin Pie but i wouldn't know 'cos i wouldn't eat the filthy motherfucker"
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Don Murphy is loathesome Thunder Cunt If this movie had a tight script with those designs I'd take it no movie is ever 100% you do or id not see me bitching about Organic web shooters, Gamma radiated Fathers, Frail Rouge, Bad ac ting jobs of Julian McMahon, Piss Poor Blade 3, or any other Licenses taken with established License. Oh and BSB a colostomy Bag is a A receptacle worn over the stoma to collect feces following a colostomy.
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Are you saying that you aren't comfortable with organic webshooters? Last i checked even the big time Spidey fans had seemed to like that.
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This site's entire forum is dedicated to speculation and analysis of productions as they occur and as they are presented. Now, we can go into a huge diatribe about why everyone is so negative, but suffice it to say its not that most people are negative, its just that in all things, especially movies, and with rare exceptions, only a minority of a moviegoing public is going to like any one particular film. I've seen the math on this before, and to put it as briefly as I can, when you compute the average ticket price and dvd rental/purchase price, the movie going public isn't exactly a vast majority of america, but rather a third or less. Of that population, people are divided over their likes and dislikes. Something like 30% will actually watch the same movies, to say nothing of their feelings reguarding said movie. Similarly, at this web site, we are all over the board as to what we geek out about. That alone changes what we will tolerate or dislike about how said properties are treated, to say nothing of our dislikes over past movie going experiences and everyone involved in those productions. In short, at best, only 3/4 of us (and this is at the VERY BEST) will like any one movie. MOre often than not, its far less than that. And please remember, stooopider, most of us are intenseley interested in this field for one reason or another, and are usually experienced enough to determine what we like or dislike in our own methods. Just remember that there are quite a few children on this board, hence the imaturity. At my age I generally ignore rantings and just skip to the people that have shown themselves to act with maturity.
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nearly every novel you've read had to be INITIALLY graded by the publishers and the editors who work for said publishing company. For nearly all novels, a basic outline and 2 to 3 initial chapters are presented to a publisher/editor for confirmation or denial. I understand that many, such as yourself, would prefer the publisher to read a complete story before investing, but that is the nature of the business. Similarly, for the fanboys in here, we all read up on the news of a production and occasionally trade opinions or speculations/fears and as time passes, we decide whether or not to see it. If there's enough bad information coming down the pipeline, there are many among us, myself included, who will simply not see the film, or, when pressed and are actually emotionally invested in the progect, will vent our frustrations out in these talkbacks. I dont know how long you've frequented this site, stooop, but for me, I'm pretty happy with things the way they are; its just passionate people being passionate people. No more and, thankfully, no less.
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I meant that no film is perfect and I don't take exception with every issue of a film I don't nitpick everything I was excited about this movie till they announced Bay as a director and he called it a Family movie. not like the term "Family movie" makes it bad it just pigeon holes a movie into a certain genre and quality that I normally tune out to, the first thing that comes to mind when a person say family movie is Spy kids. Do I hate the Designs? Yes would I bitching about still if the script rocked ? Hell no I'd be stoked that my prime was going to be saying and doing something that A. made sense and B. made me give a damn about his Character.
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Don't EVER call Ewan McGregor a borging ass. Not only is he a top actor, he's really a great guy. Not the least bit pretentious, if anything he helped The Island avoid getting totally creamed. Yeh u coulda had Brad Pitt, but Troy had him and that was utter sit.
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I'd like to see the "Urba...... Oh (Fuck this shit you know you mean black people) that will go out of there way to see a movie they wouldn't give to shits about to see Tyrese, who musically is washed up and has one good movie to his credit "Baby Boy" and I'm being generous with that. and Bernie Has not had one hit movie in his life unless you count the Kings of Comedy. And seeing as how he will probably not be featured in any trailer. It will not get a chance to Pwn it's suck to Black people.
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You keep saying " i am let down that the movie is primarily focused" or that you are let down by the movie in one way or another...you have not seen the movie yet, you are let down by the script and the trailer and some photos...lets at least keep this on the right track . And i am far from rallied "against you" or in the frame of mind that you are a mindless flamer, with no taste, or opinion. there are very few people in these TB's that i take seriously you are one of the ones i do, the only flamer i might get amusement out of is BadMrWonka because he is a jester and thats always amusing. The rest blab and i scroll untill i find someone with something intelligent to say. I personally enjoy your debates, regardless of how uninformed they can be, some of us in hollywood do care quite abit about film, and are nerds ourselves..but overall unless it is an independent market, a profit needs to be made ,and contracts are signed with specific rules stating that studio heads will have a certain amount of creative input,especially on a project so big..there is alot going into this movie, and alot being risked..liberties will be taken to ensure that it makes the money back, if not more...i am sad to say that not everyone in hollywood is about good film yack, there is alot of greed and it is truly a money making industry...all the studio heads see are numbers. I will admit that Bay is abit of a gopher, but i assure you spielberg is not, and i am sure he has his hands in this movie. And he happens to have a very good track record of films and has been around long enough to be able to offer something to bay in terms of being a mentor. I think it is smart lowering your expectations though...like the saying goes " high expectations lead to dissapointment" better to go in with no expectations or low expectations.
and i do not mind that you do not agree about my comment about summer blockbusters, but that is what it is meant to be yack, and someone else made a valid point about it being a trilogy, it has to set roots before the tree grows. Trust me i am a fan of transformers, and working in the industry i know how things can be butchered by the wrong director, but remember a script and trailer are not enough evidence to crucify a movie with...i was very iffy about batman begins, but it turned out to be a stellar movie.
And alot of people loved Sin city, and it was extremely accurate and pretty much taken straight from the graphic novel, and yet i found it underwhelming and thin, with exception of mr Rutger Hauer,and i loved the graphic novel.
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Plain and simple. And the Island Bombed Cause it sucked.
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Let me just say that there is no movie that makes it more appealing to watch because Tyrese and/or Bernie Mack is in it.
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At least i can agree with Phategod on something. Ever see a movie called Shallow Grave? Go watch that and tell me if he's not charasmatic.
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I would not go so far as to say Bay is a brilliant director. Your arguements hold no merit, or point to back them. they are hollow, offer something with substance and maybe you will be taken more serious. But after the "bernie mack is awesome" and "tyrese is a professional actor" comments, i do not believe anyone will take you seriously anyways, bernie mack is a comedian,and i do not find him funny ,he was a novelty, and tyrese is a subpar actor, not a professional. A professional actor would not be a "singer/model/actor" professional actors are educated in their field, and are dedicated, versatile....people like Sir Ben Kingsley, Sir Micheal Cane, to name a couple, and are not people who are taken lightly among their peers...and are respected, tyrese is none of these, he is also a bad casting decision as far as my opinion is concerned...and was chosen for his name among teen girls. there are aspects to this movie meant to draw in most demographics. which to back up my arguement yackbacker, is why it is called a summer blockbuster, i know you do not like this and have every right not to, but as i have said multiple times these movies are not just for fans they are for everyone, just hope that you will be able to find something of the old characters you know and love...and that you enjoy it for what it is...and not for what it could have been. We do not have to go see these movies, and you have the choice to boycott, or not hand over hard earned money, it is your perog as a ticket buyer. We will just have to see come July, i think the design for optimus is pretty catchy, and i agree that i do not find the bumblebee design appealing, nor megatron, and starscream, but we have not seen enough of the other designs yet, and they could have undergone some heavy changes since the photo leaks, thos afterall were "early" photos.
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I say we take ganymede!!!
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I was going to use the EXACT line myself but thought i might appear too nerdy. Touche my friend. Touche...
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Trainspotting anyone? Fucking great movie with the "uncharismatic" Ewan McGregor in the lead. He was only uncharismatic in the PT because Lucas stopped directing 20 years ago and lost the ability to get his actors to emote. Look no further than Jake Lloyd, a kid who had been much better in others hands.
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reference.
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Ewan was only uncharismatic in the Phantom Menace. He was much better in Attack of the Clones and completely effing rocked in Revenge of the Sith. And anybody who feels that Revenge of the Sith wasn't a good movie will hear it from me *draws line in sand*
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Tell us Gany, which of Bay's movies do you consider "big hits" as you put it? All of his movies were certainly profitable based on production costs, but throw in theatre takes, advertising, and Bay's blow habit and you're left with little or any profit. Thank god DVD rentals exist or every one of his movies would be considered complete failures...like The Island.
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Revenge of the Sith wasn't a good movie
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I just have to address the Star Wars bashing. My screenwriting class used Star Wars as the perfect example of what is known in writing/literature as The Heroes Journey. Lucas borrowed from Hidden Fortress sure, but he also put together a story that uses all sorts of classic literary themes and symbolism. I dunno why, or even if, the script was considered shit based on the writing or based on nothing more than that it was sci-fi, but I've actually read it a few times over the years and I think it's pretty damn good and still holds up today.
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Lol Bay biggest hit involves a pusher and his coke nail.
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the Star Wars may have looked good on paper. But what came up on screen is a different story.
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I read somewhere that Bay got this movie because it ended his contract with Dreamworks or something and had nothing to do with him being the best choice. Can anyone verify this? I'm going to dinner with wifey and the kids right now and don't have time to research right now.
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You know, McDonalds serves billions, too, but the food still consists of week old dog feces covered in burnt hair. Numbers do not denote quality, my son. Why, do you realize that Stephen King's "Tommynockers" made more money than "To Kill a Mocking bird" or that "Shawshank Redemption" was a bomb at the box office? Hell, Picasso didn't really earn that much money, either, did he?
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I wasnt bashing Star Wars, the OT is sacred to me. I was merely pointing out that, to a good deal of people at the time, the script was fairly poor. I will stand by my statement though that it was the actors in the movie that made the OT and not the director, (at least for ep IV).
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there he goes with those Damn returns again.
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Missed that bit at the end....
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"I love big dumb fun" crowd.
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.As long as she's blonde and has 38DD tits and max's out at size 12. Better not tell the wife that though.
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I hope this movie is good so they can make more movies about 80's cartoons with robots. But No Gany you can all but rule out a live action Macross, if it is it will probably be Direct by Paul W.S. Anderson.
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I'm a big TF fan myself but I don't need to be in a Train Wreck to know it's fucked up. There are nipples all over this movie. and you really need a reason not to see this movie Find Don Murphy and criticize one thing anything don't insult him, don't insult the movie but make one critical statement and see what happens.
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babarthemighty@hotmail.com we need to talk like human beings
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I guarantee you that I'll be civil, so long as you can give me honest answers as to why Bay was picked to direct, the reasoning behind optimus not being a lead in the film, for megatron only appearing in the third act, and the reason optimus prime had to have flames.
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why you trying to whore your way in here? We don't want you we want the IRS guy.
Here are your answers, harlot- 1- there was a short list of 5 directors who could handle the scope and action. Bay was on that list and said yes 2- Optimus is the lead Transformer in the movie- this was never going to be an animated film you dense retard 3- Megs was a choice of the writers 4- he didn't have to have flames, no one said he had to
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I fail to understand the whoring my way in here comment, to say nothing of your animated film reference, but on the whole, thank you for confirming everything I needed to know about film producers. As for the answer to my second question, its interesting that you refer to him as the lead transformer and not the lead character. As for the flames reference, if no one said he had to have them then who felt the need to slap them on him? Granted, you're just a producer and are not answerable to the entire production, but surely someone had noticed that the script was sorely lacking in weight, characterization, and plot?
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I'm just another G1 Guy.
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What animated film reference, loser? And you know nothing about film producers you are a TALKBACKER who uses a name from Gidget. I mean HELLO, you suck! He is not the main character- how could he be, idiot? This is NOT an animated film and never was supposed to be. Flames are there- why does it matter where they came from? It doesn't. Let's see- Three billion dollar Exec Prod thinks shooting script is not lacking, Billion dollar director thinks it is not lacking, longtime producer thinks it is not lacking, and asshole named moondoggy STATES as if FACT that it is lacking. Who do we listen to ? (hint- it ain't you, ass)
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I'm still stinging from the "dense retard" bit. I swear, he speaks exactly like the highschool freshman I used to teach. Oh well, I suppose thats why I find myself watching movies less and less these days.
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you taught ONE student? a Freshman? because two would have required brains, right?
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Are you going to reply to my e-mail.
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If you have read any of my previous posts, i never said Bay sucked, i just do not agree with your statement about him being a great director, he is a "mediocre" director. And that offered up no "proof" that your opinion holds merit, all it proved is that you have an opinion like the rest of us, and that Bay can make money by putting out genre films filled with explosions,gunfire,and car chases...and i am sorry to say guy, that none of those qualities make "a great director" and it does not mean this movie will be a great film.
I also hate "reguratating" the facts....and you are not going to be taken seriously by trying to force your point. Read my posts, i have hope for this movie, you however seem to be knocking down other peoples opinions and putting the label of "haters" on them just because they want a decent flick and do not like most of Bay's movies. -
Wow, a three billion dollar executive producer and a one billion dollar director. Gosh, I had no idea that that much money bought you such a respectable opinion. Hmmm, and to think, all I have is a Masters degree in history, english, and education. I'm impressed, Don, because you know how us professor types have zero ability to discern a good story from a bad one. Why, shucks, a man who makes money writing Catwoman must have far better taste than some idiot who reads about Indoeuropean mythology for a living, right? Yup, I'm deffinitely out of my league here.
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I needed the email for the ISP #s that's all- go back to your audit...
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Since Michael Bay has made more money than Stanley Kubrick, Stanley Kubrick must not have had as much directorial skills as Michael Bay, huh? Wow, Murphy, its no wonder youre a film producer. You, sir, have found your calling in life and I salute you.
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Your post clinches it. You don't know shit. Those who cannot do, teach as they say. Yes- $4b buys you a respectable opinion. Professor types know how to cheat on their wives and steal tenure. YES, without question, John Rogers knows more about screenwriting than you will ever learn. You are out of your league on a playground, prof. Your masters in baking is all that will serve you well,
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Your logic skills are lacking, pee breath. Michael Bay knows more about what makes a successful screenplay than you do. Hell, Kubrick DEAD knows more than you. I am not comparing Kubrick and Bay. I pity your porr students wasting their time with morons.
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As knowledgable as I am, since I havent written a hollywood screenplay, I can't know shit from shinolah about what is a good story versus a bad story. Why, to think, all this time I thought Catwoman was a horrible film and that writers who descend into all-too convenient plot twists, stereotypical characterization, and cliched dialogue were just taking the easy way out. Hmm, doom on me, I suppose.
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1. I'm on vacation
2. thats a dummy E-mail account.
3. You totally fucked up that metaphor or saying. so you intotal made yourself look like a ass now gnay I know you've been keeping score so you see why this movie deserves to fail. Some people want to say how don murphy listens to the Transformer fans but this is truly sad. You are here tryin to get me fired or banned or whatever when You either are Don Murphy which makes you a sad human being or a Sycophant of Don Murphy which makes you worse. Thats like being a fan of the Clippers Really unrewarding and overall makes you look stupid. -
I'm with you, by the way, in my hope that this really isnt Don Murphy. For some reason, I find myself hoping that his actions arent that of a grown man who has found "success" in life. A man that angry, intolerant, and so obviously emotionally and intellectually stunted cannot possibly meet anything other than a bad end. Personally, I believe it has to be some teenager or something--it just seems too...childish, you know? G-d, I can't believe I'm actually feeling sympathetic and bummed out by some troll/possible movie producer. Honest, it really is kinda sad. Oh well... g'night.
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dummy account or not the ISP #s do not lie
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...people saying, because they are in the industry that they know better. Do I have to be in the music industry to know if someone sings shit, or if a band is out of tune.
Bay isn't bad, he just isn't very good. I've enjoyed his movie, not really on a intellectual level. Pretty much Bays films are the movies you watch, because your not in the mood for thinking, and you just wanna see some fun. You can talk through out the movie, and still get whats going on. Thats what Transformers will be. I'm disappointed they took this approach, but its the one they took...I'm not happy about it...but I'll go along with it.
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This is Don Murphy He is one of the Producers and is a asshole, as you can see from his previous posts. Now he has stated that he is not Don Murphy but I have run into him on another site using his real name and he post the exact same way so He is either Murphy or a student of his. whatever you think Of me i want you two to ponder something If the 2 of you where rich Hollywood producers would you give a flying Fuck what I think about our movie. heres the truth Don you have not said one Insightful, intelligent thing since you came here you insult everyone with the intelligence of a 2nd year college fratboy. This human waste is the perfect reason not to see this movie and the real amusing thing is he has drove more people away from the film then I ever could have.
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I have a cable modem.
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I could get used to yahoo.
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phate--i've just slogged through these TBs and I dont think he is Don. He's just some crazy teenager or 20 something kid. He tries to act older on some posts, but I'm seriously doubting he's any older than late twenties. If I had to guess, he seems to have only a highschool education and a drug/alcohol problem and is unmarried--just my assessment and could be completely off base, but its what I've gathered.
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So Phartegoddprime asks me to email him so I make up a email account ask him wahts up then he proceeds to to say it was a ruse to gain my ISP no less a attempt to get me fired for using a computer on company time or something. But he fails to realize I've been on vacation since Mid November. Regardless Murphy's a douche.
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and were as successful as this phartegod guy claims, why the hell would you feel the need to flame bait/war? I mean, hell, I'm over forty, am married to a beautiful woman and have three really great kids, and, I feel, a really great job that leaves me feeling good about my place in the world. I'm a satisfied man and feel absolutely zero need to flame bait, namecall, or in any way, shape or form, act like a sniveling brat. Why on earth does this man, or whatever troll this is, feel that need? It has to be someone who's either very ill or very young...or both.
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I have run into murphy and he went by his real name and claimed to be Don Murphy on another website. He proceeded to act like a ass and his post contain the same bite and piss poor vocabulary as Phartegoddprime I'm not 100% sure that he is Murphy but I would say that I am 80% sure this is Don Murphy as I have history with Mr. Murphy and if this asshole is not Don Murphy, This is a close enough Facsimile of what he is like.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again, there's NO WAY PharteGoddPrime is Murphy. I just don't buy it. But, if I'm wrong, Don, baby, cast Dafoe as Starscream. You do that, I might consider becoming a Stooge.Seriouly though, regardless if it's really Don, his lackeys, or a common Stooge, threats of getting someone fired, banned or whatnot over a fucking movie based on a overrated cartoon (G.I.Joe and Thundercats were better. Admit it.) is beyond ridiculous. And I'm surprised, if the rumors are true involving Man_of_Stool, something like this would even be tolerated at AICN.If these "attacks" are indeed from the Murphy camp, then it's really sad. And I mean, fucking SAD. How many people lost their jobs or whatnot due to badmouthing Rothman or Ratner last year? Someone needs to grow some thicker skin, turn the other cheek, or do what most of Hollywood does, ignore us. It's obvious you don't make adapted material for the fans, and most of the time it's a smart move, so why care what we, er, they, have to say now?And what I said above, if this is for real, Speilberg woulda nipped it in the bud.I haven't been there lately, but I recall seeing Mr.HEADGEEK himself all up on Murphy's MySpace buddy list, which does fuel the theory that this is just one gigantic work, and they are just sitting back having a ball reading these talkbacks, as most of us are.
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and the cadence is similar, I'll grant you, but I'm simply flabbergasted that the man would need to defend himself on a consistant basis. I mean, you call me a bastard or dumbass or whatever and I'll laugh it off--I dont need to prove myself. Oh sure, if you are a man who is consistantly guilty of making generalizations or innacurate assumptions, I'll set you straight, but I'll not get into some schoolyard fight. Hell, I enjoy writing at my local city's newspaper and the school newspaper and even writing crappy, third-rate fiction, but I see no need to defend my work incessently--it doesnt need it. I guess this man, whoever he is, needs to learn confidence and a much stronger work ethic.
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i leave for a day and this is still raging on, lol. yackbacker, i'm sorry if i insulted the series that badly and i admit, i havnt watched any G1 eps in years...maybe theyre better than i remember. i just remember that in my younger days, the cartoon neer really did anything for me other than have a cool idea and some pretty sweet action...i just never connected with the characters and thats what i based my opinion of the writing on. maybe i should give it another try.
my main complaint with the TB discussions on the film is that its almost blind rage. aside fom the script and a few very vague teaser trailers, we really dont know what the characters are like. a movie like this can change a lot in a few months and even tho some of the stuff i saw in the nw trailer was directly liftwd from the script, i garantee you there have been heavy changes. a movie like this, no matter how much hardcore fans care about it, usually isnt given a glossy finish at the script stage. despite the love the series has, its still going to be treated with as much TLC as say, ID4 or Day After Tomorrow...both seen as big summer movies and not oscar caliber material. i just wish some of the ppl on here would have a bit more optimism. who knows? all of us might really enjoy this thing when all is said and done. im just trying to stay possitive. i certainly dont like being "shoveled shit" and actually enjoy a broad range of films, some not the best simply because i sometimes just want to zone out, so as a casual fan, im not taking a lot of the changes to heart but im just hoping for a fun movie. anyways, nothing personal to all the die-hard TF fans...just have some hope :) -
I also think you are quite right, sherm--this sounds like something Harry would play, at least, from what I've read about Harry. It just flies in the face of anything logical that Murphy would be posting on some dumbass (no offense) website talkback thread and flaming away with a bunch of nerds (me included). I admit, I'm here, too, but this is the only damn time I've been at this site since school went in session in august. I've got an excuse--I hope. Its gotta be something else, as Shermdawg has said. All I know is that if it really does turn out to be Murphy, I will not see this film "officially."
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I wish I still had the post at sieber tron.com where you can see Murphy make a ass of his self. I'm pretty sure this Don but good luck on all your future endeavors.
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Regarding Man_of_Stool, I forgot who it was, I really don't wanna look for he post in this and that other long as all fucking hell Tranny talkbacks, but one of the trolls that was in the thick of things stated "we took care of him before the holidays". (!)
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i recall reading those posts--those were the ones I read, and yes, he is indeed an ass, but this whole phartegod thing is beyond even that. I mean, we're talking about approaching a level of near insanity that I seriously doubt would go unnoticed to the film makers.
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I challenge Phartegodd he has Stated that he is a College student I challenge you to come out here and on DM.net cause I know you have access. If you are indeed Not Don Murphy Post your real name and a picture of yourself on both here and DM.net. but we all know he'll see this and come with stupid grammatical correction. On another topic I don't know shat stooop is apologizing for but you clearly are not a murphy stooge as apologizing to anyone but Don Murphy is not in there DNA.
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Eyes wide shut was shit on a stick but thats besides the point.
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It inspired one of my favorite pictorials in the, I believe, Oct. 2001 issue of Penthouse (i.e. before it went to shit). Tera Patrick, niiiiiiiiiiice. :)
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took stooopiders nuts and put em in his pocket, lol. owned
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flash animation because while on the crapper the oher night I kept coming up with funny little bits in a Robert Smigel styled short inspired by this film, the property, an these talkbacks themself. Of course now, I can't remember half of them.lol, throughout the clip, between every skit, I'd have someone doing a Don Pardo voice saying "FLAMES ON OPTIMUS!" followed by a take on the classic logo flip.
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you flat out got down on ur knees and licked his balls saying you're sorry, lol. must be nice to be the bitch of the TBs. seems like everyone hates you anyways...tis whole thread is full of ppl flaming you
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You're starting to sound a lot like stoopider did earlier when he was baiting Yack, or trying to bait Yack. Just some advice from a friend.
Hey, I gotta comment on people hating on ROTJ earlier. Now I wholeheartedely agree that the Ewoks suck donkey balls and GL could have sold just as many fucking Wookie dolls as he did Ewoks, they were a horrible choice. That said, every scene on the Death Star II between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor are absolute cinematic gold, and these scenes alone make this movie more than worthwhile. -
Dec 27, 2006 11:01:21 PM CST
yeah err, stooop...uh...eeerrrrrr...duuuuuhhhh
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keep telling yurself ur special just like ur mom keeps insisting you are and thats why she wont let you move out into th world...but you know youll never leave ur moms loving mbrace becuz you know you'd miss the late night spooning sessions
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I must agree with HNS about ROTJ It gave me one thing the Matrix trilogy did not....closure and the Final scenes with Luke Darth and the Emperor were priceless.
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dont forget that ROTJ has the best space battle in cinema history
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are reserved for PhartegoddPrime aka AINTITSHOT.
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if i want to give the wife the night off, yeah i might give em a go. anyone who runs their mouth that much must suck a mean dick.
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the DVD commentary.
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we hearby dub stooopider as "The Official Bitch of the AICN TBs"
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Yeah, it is really good, and the scale is amazing, especially when you consider it was all physical models and rotoscoping.
But the Death Star scenes really are among some of the greatest cinema of all time for me. There's so much depth to all that is happening in those scenes. The part I like the most is when Luke tosses his lightsabre and the Emperor says to him that only at the end did he truly understand. It took me years to figure what the Emperor meant, but once I did it was one of those moments where I actually learned something important about life that sticks with you.
And what did he learn exactly? It's so simple, and yet it eluded me for a long, long time. Quite simply, there's always a choice. The Dark Side controls no one, you can always choose. Simple, but very deep and rich....something completely lacking in Super Giant Robot Explosion Boom Boom. -
@ Super Giant Robot Explosion Boom Boom. like i said, im remaining optomistic that the film could be fun but that just made me laugh out loud.
and yeah ROTJ did have a great climax (kinda like a blow job from stooopider) thats what has made star wars stick with so many ppl i think...underneath all the FX and eye candy is a really strong msg. i hear that Mark Hammil was upset with ROTJ because he wanted Luke to actually turn to the dark side halfway thru before his redemtion. could have been interesting but i like how Luke just has a really strong will -
haters need some extra Egg nog.
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...what stooopider thinks about the movie. He's been giving all of a lot of shit the last few days, but do you actually have any opinions about the TF movie itself stoops?
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LAAAAWWWWWLLLLL...well i think you have more friends than me on here seeing as i'm still pretty new so spread the word thru out the land...we must make this stick
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even tho i can buy my own i guess i can never turn down free booze lol. yackbacker thought i was giving him shit earlier i think cuz i said TF wasnt written well lol. sue me, i was a TMNT and GI Joe fan as a kid ;P speaking of booze, I'm gonna go hit up a martini bar...ironically its 80's night, lol. glad i sent in the news of the Empire cover...would have used my name if i thought theyd actually run it haha. peace out man
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for not calling me "shotgun" like other illiterates on here :-|
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haha yeah, maybe i should break out the acid wash jeans :P later man
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"sorry"! Holy F**KING LOL!!! Opps, I sharted...
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Bitch of the Year, if you're gonna bait TB'ers you've gotta do one thing first. When trying to choose the right TB to troll, shop smart, assclown!
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1)- Man of Stool was removed, period. His repeated attacks on Murphy could not be tolerated. He posted on every post that Don Murphy pwns teh Suck. Go back and check. His posts, account, and job- all gone. 2)- Phategod and Hairy must go next. Phate may be on vacation, but every post has been saved. If he thinks the government will be happy to spend time on a supoena, then good for him 3)- yes Bsb, Murphy got raped by Knowles on John Carter. But I believe it will soon be announced that Murphy took it back from Jabba 4)- I went through all of Jabba's Myspace friends- weird- no Murphy. More lies. 5)- Cockbacker- it should not keep typing when it is not capable or else it gets the hose. 6)- I have been asked to stop feeding you idiots but it is so much fun. You really think that Aintitshit will protect you. So did Man of Stool. Haha!
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summation Don Murphy is a asshole. his Sycophant are bigger assholes. and If you really want to play hardball I'll admit what I do to my superiors the day you voluntarily request a audit.
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You got me shaking in my boots now. Gee golly, I shor do hope Pharty and his minions don't find out who I am. Whatever am I going to do? I probably won't even sleep tonight while I hide under my bed with a flashlight and my shotgun.
Hey jackass stop threatening us, every time you do, more evidence piles up for our harrassment suit against you. AICN has YOUR IP address you cockgobbler, and I'm pretty sure they'd give it up without much of a fight in honor of a trolling bitch like yourself.
Of course, that's assuming you're not one of the AICN gang trolling in the TF TalkBacks just for laughs. I've been the board troll myself once or twice, the guy who "stirred up conversation" per the orders of the board admin.
Also, what makes you think I need "Aintitshit" or anyone else to protect me? Go ahead and track down my IP address and come on over to my house and threaten me to my face. Oh, my wife's a cop, so when you come over here and start shit with me and I proceed to kick your ass they'll take you to jail, not me.
Fuck that, I'm pretty sure my wife could get your IP addy in a matter of minutes if I asked her, in fact you gave out your e-mail address here, your IP address is mine bitch. Have a nice day douchebag.
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A few monhs back, I believe in the Tranny talkback where the leaked script was first linked (might have been a tb for sumthin else), Don Murphy's MySpace was posted and sure enough, Harry was on his buddy list (if I reember correctly, he was wearing a St.Patty's Day hat). Now, like I said, I haven't been there in awhile (MySpace, a. is the debil, and b. crashes my browser) so it could very well be gone.Twasn't a lie sir. Twasn't a lie.
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Damn, Noah Wyle is freakier than I thought. :P
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What does that even mean?
According to the movies there is a light side and a dark side to the Force. Seems to me that in order to bring "balance" to the Force there needs to be an equal amount of both light and dark Jedi. Therefore, and I know GL did not intend it this way, when the entire Jedi Order were slain and all that was left were 2 Jedi and 2 Sith did we not have balance?
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Suffered because the same guy directed all three of them. A guy who, (if you believe all you read), admits to actually not like directing. The reason why ESB and ROTJ are so memorable, is because the man in the directors chair had passion and could inspire his actors. George Lucas is great at coming up with ideas but not very good at encouraging his cast. I do respect his ability to write a decent yarn, (though alot of the PT was very corny; midichlorians anyone?), but when you have the charisma of a wet gravel driveway you just don't inspire people. A great deal of the PT, even with its ludicrous plot holes, would have worked with a better director.In all honesty, i wish they'd never made the prequel trilogy. I used to love hearing the odd tidbits here and there about it but, for me at least, the story before A New Hope was always a kind of legend that each fan interpreted in his own way and could play in head sometimes. I guess that's why the PT didn't live up to alot of peoples expectations and why Transformers has the same effect on its fans too.
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I dislike this new Optimus.
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I do agree with Yackbacker that it is all about Luke. I have to say that I think the final showdown with Vader is my favorite in the entire scene. From Vader spouting out "Sooo you have a twin sister.." to the "oh shit what have I done" look when Luke flips out, it is about Luke saving the galaxy. And my colon sucks, I agree with you that Luke is not your typical jedi. The environment that he was trained in was of course greatly different from when Kenobi was trained, and he shows great emotion. I would say he is their greatest jedi. Yackbacker, not sure if you thought the samething, but I have to admit that I didn't read your entire last two posts. War and Peace part deux...jk dude.
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Nice words up above, YackBacker. Luke does not get enough credit from the fans, and the quote in my title is my favourite from all of the Star Wars films. The shame of the prequels, for me, is that they let that line of Luke's down so badly. Maybe if Luke had known his dad was a whining, temper tantrum-having, baby killing wife murderer he wouldn't have been so keen to bring him back to the good side.
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...stooopider clearly isn't any smarter than he seems. But BSB, are you really getting anything out of baiting him? I mean, you do have both handsa on the keyboard, right? As for Phartegod, if that's really Don Murphy I'm pretty appalled. Maybe if I were worth mega millions and had to risk so many of them so regularly on movie projects I don't fully understand, I'd need to blow off steam on the talkbacks, too. But you come off like a raging looney. And that's from someone who thinks this movie could still be decent. Anyone consider the idea that Phartey might really be from the prejudging con camp and he's just trying to make that position seem more reasonable by being as charming and witty as he is?
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Its because you're not worth anyone's time. Accept this and disappear cupcake.
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I've been wondering the same thing--I think maybe it is just a farce/troll bait kind of antic. Whoever is doing it has really nailed the way Don Murphy writes, and HAS to be baiting people like yack and, to a lesser extent, myself. Of course, if it is Murphy, as you said, I'm truly disgusted. Its like he's some sort of stereotype, is it not, Roland?
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And then once you do, be sure let me know how the shock therapy and lithium are working out for you. Deal?
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And then once you do, be sure to let me know how the shock therapy and lithium are working out for you. Deal?
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Showing this TB to your mommy would inevitably result in corrective psychiatric care. I'd say you're just yet another manic, A.D.D. addled 14 year old, but there's much more than that to your case. You don't seem to have any real grasp on reality, hence the habitual lying about your identity. You're clearly not comfortable with yourself and prefer anonmyous tauntung to actual dialogue. You're using this TB as a means of venting something pent up deep within you. What that is, I can't really say. I'm not kidding about this at all. In all seriousness, you really do need professional help. Assuming you're actually 14, this problem is going to develop into something much worse in the near future. I'm going to consult a DSM IV and report back with further analysis. Your mental state concerns me greatly cupcake.
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The Giants after Zito is not good news. Then again, the Giants suck, so we have that going for us, right? Zito said he want to play for a winning team... no way that would happen in San Fran or Texas. I still believe Zito will be a Met in 2007.
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Now this is more interesting than reading stoooooopider's comments. I think he'll be a Met too, though much too high priced considering that he's not overpowering and he walks to many guys for my taste. On the plus side though, he eats up a lot of innings and manages to win, considering he's played on some offensively challenged teams in Oakland. However, it wouldn't surprise me if he went somewhere else (Giants) since Mr. Boras is his agent.
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Like I said, I am not too sure about San Fran. They're not a winning team. I know they are reeling after losing Scmidt, but for reasons that are beyond me, they already gave Bonds a deal that could potentially pay him $20 million. I dont think the Giants will spend $100 million on Zito. Plus San Fran is not a pitchers park, Shea Stadium is. Seattle being interested in Zito is much more of a problem. Seattle is a pitchers park, (but they have the DH). Seattle is potentially good, and you just know Zito would love to live there. It really kills me that Boras is going to get $100 million for a guy who throws 85 mph by the way. Man I hate Boras.
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I'm kind of new around here but I would like to know does this happen often? When the Hulk was announced and it was evident it was going to suck where there a bunch of apologist and kids jumping in putting there 2 cents in. And some how I think harry should find away to restrict this site for adults only.
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Its just the nature of AICN. Some nutjob shows up every few months begging for attention. The problem is that this kid is on winter vacation and is too mentally unstable to be around the other 14 year olds. So he's here until the men in white suits give him his lithium, padded room, and shock therapy.
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it also should be spread to the stupid, stupid, short-sighted owners who complain and complain about salaries, and then will dump a $40M contract on anybody. The Giants are cleary screwed up over the Bonds thing, and should have never signed him and used that money for pitching. Not smart. No one will care when Bonds becomes HR champ since the dude's head will explode any day now. And I hate Yadier Molina much more than Boras.
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Boras is trying to hold Mets Nation hostage with his demands of 6 years at around 100 million for Zito. If the Giants are willing to pay that and Zito wants to go there and get that paycheck, More power to him. But if Zito is serious about his legacy, he ain’t going to no Giants. Right now, Omar is not budging from his 5 year 75-80 million dollar price range. In the end, I believe we can still bag him at that price.
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What scares me about Zito is his lack of top notch performance in the playoffs. Say what you will about John Maine, but he came through in Game 6. The reason I mention Maine is his lack of power, much like Zito. I agree with your assessment Ricky of 5 yr contract. If he wants more, then he can tie up someone else's budget with that contract. Greek - I agree, the Hulk in action I thought was the best part of that movie (not withstanding the hulk poochies which were just a tad too silly for me). I thought the emotion that the Hulk portrayed was done pretty well.
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Nah, never been to Scout.com. I will however take a gander at it right now.
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I occasionally post at Metsblog too (even though Matt Cerrone totally sucks in my opinion). Lonestar Mets is always good for a laugh, so are Hotfoot, and Metstradamus.
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I just saw that rumor too. $120 fucking million? Well I hope Zito has fun not winning any championships for the next 8 years. Well if the rumor is true, we will be seeing more of Pelfrey, Humer, Maine, and Perez pitching. Not a bad thing at all.
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Seriously, I just watched a video clip of all the deahts/destructions/disasenble of Waspinator from Beast Wars SN 1,2, & 3...and it's just extremely hilarious. Homerun.
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and that would work if he imagined he was pitching against the Mets every game. Cy Young award would be in the bag!
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That way I can read who the Mets don't get, and what old bastard they sign next...yeesh
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Think about it: Boras wouldn’t close a deal yet. Not with the Yanks potentially looking for a starting pitcher to replace Johnson. But yeah, if the Zito thing falls through, Omar's next move is most likely to hire the oldest, most hispanic free agent pitcher out there. Go Mets.
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What else is Pedro supposed to do with his freetime? I'm sure he'll perfect it by the time he's ready to come off the DL. I'm thinking extension after seeing that...another 2 years?
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Here's a funny link: http://tinyurl.com/yyutjk So, yeah, this is why I don’t read GQ anymore. Click on the slideshow for more images of Wright and Reyes acting very overly friendly... Very, uh, well, gay. I’m a very concerned Mets fan right now.
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I saw someone wearing a t-shirt at Shea that said that. Cracked me up big time.
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maybe they were doing that 'shoot' before the playoffs and that's why they didn't hit worth a damn. Maybe their relationship has affected their performance. "Nice and easy"..yuck!
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You bet I am a little bit depressed. I was at that last goddamn game, and it was appalling how they couldn't get one freak'n big hit in a crucial spot. They walked like eight times, and nothing. Beltran, hello Beltran, you're up to bat. Please swing. P.S. - Clorox doesn't make it go away.
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At least we all now know that Carlos Beltran will never be eaten by a T-Rex.
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I disagree, I think that one AB opens the door for him to be eaten by a T-rex. Or a hulk dog.
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Dec 28, 2006 11:10:10 AM CST
You know how I know you're gay? You pose for GQ's Cover
by ricky henderson
Yes, there might be something somewhat gay about grown men who wear tight pants and constantly spank each other. But how else are they going to reach the gay fanbase with Mike Piazza gone? Or maybe they're just auditioning for "Warriors! The Musical!" Still, David Wright (being the man) is probably being fellated by two sorority presidents as we speak.
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What I meant was that Carlos Beltran will never be eaten by a T-Rex because he didn't move and a T-Rex's vision is based on movement... get it? get it? Ahhh, my humor is always unappreciated... ;)
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Dec 28, 2006 11:15:55 AM CST
I would say Piazza's "presence" is still being "felt"..
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...I always run the "Could this guy be pulling an Andy Kaufman?" scenario in my head when I encounter a particularly archtypical Internet douchebag. I caught one guy doing it under multiple usernames once and was ever-so-proud of myself when he finally broke character and admitted it. I gave him props, too, because his rendition was pretty seamless (he was playing the Internet tough guy, challenging any and all who disagreed with him to a physical fight and promising to send photos of himself flexing shirtless in front of a mirror to anyone who doubted his inherent manliness after hearing his tales of queer bashing and picking fights with people who honked at him). It takes a certain something to be able to create and maintain a convincing Internet persona purely for amusement (although hopefully it's not just for one's own). This Pharte guy isn't quite that nuanced, though. There's not a lot of consistency to his style and he's quick to resort to seemingly randomly generated insults. Which is why I'm thinking he might be an intentional "Get off my side" plant meant to be the loudest and most irrational voice in favor of giving this movie a fair day in court, thereby simultaneously gassing up the naysayers and making the pre-judging and pre-dismissing seem all the more reasonable by comparison. It'd be clever if it hadn't been done about a thousand times already...and about a thousand times better in the recent past. Of course, I could be off base. I still suspect Michael Moore is really a Neocon plant designed to discredit any opposition to the current administration's practices or policies. Either that or he's just a really fat, smarmy, unjustifiably arrogant and ultimately stupid motherfucker.
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And no new news, though I guess that's not too surprising. Oh look, I just saw a tumbleweed go by...
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Poor Man of Stool. "PWNS TEH SUCK" is an attack? *gulp* Then a lot of us are in trouble. ;)
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I think that design does indeed look cool. I'm not sure anyone can argue that the actual transformers will look cool (regardless if they actually look like the 'character' they should be), but the movie itself will not be that good (rental). It is, after all, Michael Bay.
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And Yack, it's the year-end clearance event, why wouldn't they have '07's?
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A porsche, right? They did stay true to that, correct? I don't care much about his design as much as the fact that (SPOILER) he dies in the movie.
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you don't get an ip unless I email you loser. cops cannot get ips without a court order, loser. if you wife is a cop then she is on the road to free herself from your fat ass, probably boning her partner. Your posting which has been recorded basically threatens several illegal acts. Court is a fun place, junior. Ask that lawyer Yacker. LOL. Ask Man of Stool.
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is it year 23? I'm sure all the robots will look good translated on film. Just like Pearl Harbor had cool action scenes and the Island had Scarlett Johannson and Armageddon had...drillers, but that didn't make any of them good movies.
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Don't you feel the slightest bit of embarassment when you try to promote this movie to us? You do work for Dreamworks, correct? Ease up a little bit, will ya?
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Who are you? What is your motivation? Why harass us like this? Just to get your jollys? Or is Murphy really that much of baby, that he has to go running off getting people banned, fired, or worse for a simple post, or posts that bad mouth him. If Murphy doesn't like people criticsizing him, he should not of become a public figure, plain and simple. OH NOES! SUM1 IS TALKING SMACK ABOUT ME ON TEH INTERNETS, I HAD BEST GO GET MY LAWLYERS!!!Oh, and for the record, I'm pretty sure I've never badmouthed Don, other than me questioning his involvment in this whole thing. So don't get no ideas. I'm clean! Of course if you were here on behalf of Fox, then yeah, we might of had a problem. ;)
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if you think that Murphy qualifies as a public figure then you better shift lawyers, pronto. I hear there are great ones trolling this thread day and night. What WE want is to silence three or four of you in the harshest way. The rest will fall into line. Hairy is #2 and Phate is #3. There's an opening for #4 if you are interested.
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with Jet Li? Cradle 3 anyone?
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how exactly does Pharte plan on "silencing" TBers "in the harshest way"? What a delusional schmuck. Ignoring these morons sounds like a plan to me.
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...Prime the most. Bumblebee has actually grown on me and, if he were only a Bug or a Mini, I'd be 100% pleased with him. That helicopter looks pretty cool (are they calling him Vortex?) and Jazz is good except for the owl feet (obviously a Porsche would've been better, but his alt mode doesn't suck). Ratchet I'm pretty blah on. Don't hate him but don't really like him, either. Starscream worries me with what appear to be simian proportions and Megatron just kind of perplexes me. I'm hoping his current form is destroyed by film's end so they can bring him back as a tank or something for the next one. And I'm just assuming there will be a next one because, whether any of us overgrown kids approve or not, this movie's going to make metric assloads of money and Hasbro's going to want to sell more toys in a couple of years. In fact, based on that motive, alone, I wouldn't be surprised if ALL the surviving Transformers from this movie get a significant redesign (or at least a new paint job) for the sequel. Money's funny that way. It can make folks do the right things for the wrong reasons.
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read the thread- the silencings have become and will continue- Fatass will sell you out for a song
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So just tell what you imagined you had done to all those mean talkbackers who said naughty things about Don Murphy. I'm up for a good laugh.
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Dec 28, 2006 12:41:16 PM CST
Childe, does that mean that PGPrime will be around..
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these talkbacks again? That's fantastic, first Zito, now more PGPrime. Yay. So is he really D Murphy or just some crazed stooge?
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...now there's a frighteningly powerful combined force. Plus you've got the U.S. military eager to show off its hardware (does it bug them that their jet's being used as a villain, I wonder? Seems like a PR flub to me). All of this is leading me to believe that this franchise is going to be like the weather in my home town: Don't like it now? Wait five minutes and it will be completely different. You've got to admit, though, that does create a lot of windows of opportunity for them to get things right, even if only by accident or the laws of probability.
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like Harry Potter, bringing in a new director each time out. That's probably the best way for them to get things right.
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http://tinyurl.com/vpedh
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The designs are intricately detailed (ridiculously so) and the models and animations must have been a colossal bitch to create and animate. There is an extreme level of professional craftsmanship in those robots, and if ILM wins an Oscar for their work on this movie then congratulations because they deserve it.
In short, they are VERY cool looking things, but that doesn't make them Transformers in the same way that the transforming robots/vehicles in Macross are not Transformers.
No one will ever convince me that the G1 designs updated to work in full 3D wouldn't have worked for this film. By adding the proper joints to the 3D models, setting up proper links in the joints (IK chains), with proper constraints so the parts don't clip through each other, they could have given us some Transformers we can recognize.
What does it say about this movie that there is only ONE robot that is immediately recognizable?
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...that will solve everything.
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...track record. Godfather II, Empire Strikes Back, The Two Towers, Devil's Rejects and Texas Chainsaw Massacre II all surpassed their predecessors IMHO. I know people who say the same of Aliens, Phantasm 2, Scream 2 and Friday the 13th Part 2 (all of which I enjoy but I can't agree they were ostensibly better than the first films in those series). Second sequels (or Part 3s), on the other hand, tend to be from Satan's asshole. So if this franchise hasn't gotten a whole lot of stuff right by part 2 I'll be more inclined to write it off as a failed (from a creative standpoint) venture.
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...and request that PharteGoddPrime be banned immediately. Not only are his claims and threats INCREDIBLY creepy, but something doesn't gel with the post on his Master's website.Consider this: there is legitimate bad blood between AICN and DM. Now, unless someone at AICN is playing a joke (which doesn't make a lot of sense...), there is something else going on and it has become increasingly volatile and sketchy. I say, take it to the Mods.That's my 2 cents. Best of luck.
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Transformers...with heart and a touching message. awwww....Uncle Prime.
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Dec 28, 2006 1:15:59 PM CST
The guts of the robots are fluid, but not their shells
by ricky henderson
So you've got a lot of pneumatic sillyness going on beneath the shells, which don't change much at all. So its not really shape shifting metal. But it is crap nonetheless. My bigger problem is the designs of the cars. Would it have totally killed them to go with a flat nosed cab for Prime? Why did a redneck truck need to be used? To appease Bay's target audience perhaps?
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The Wrath of Khan, First Contact, X2. The only part 3 that jumps out at me is Harry Potter.
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...assumes shape shifting and size/mass shifting are the same thing. Busting out a bit of comic geekery, if I recall correctly there are shapeshifters limited to a finite amount of mass (Mr. Fantastic and Mystique, for example). They can reconfigure their mass but not increase or decrease it (or at least couldn't by the time I stopped reading comics). Then you've got your unl;imited mass changers (like Apocalypse or Beast Boy from DC) who seem to pull or shunt extra mass from some magical source (aka the writer's ass) at will, depending on what form they want to assume. ANd then there's just your straight-up size shifters (like The Atom or any of Doc Pym's multiple personalities), who seem to be able to shift the amount of their mass but not its configuration. Seems to me the old-school transformers (circa the cartoon) were very limited shapefshifters (in that they could only switch to one or two alternate forms) and most were constrained by their size/mass limitations. Megatron, Soundwave, the cassette bots and, IIRC, the Insecticons were the only ones who could also gain or lose mass to change size. I don't think Optimus has ever been shown to do that, in any iteration (G1, Armada, Energon, etc.) without entering into some kind of robo-gestalt (more recent versions of the character show him merging with Jetfire to form some super version of himself). Ultra Magnus picked up significant mass in robot form by incorporating elements of his trailer as armor, but Prime's trailer (at least in G1) was always a mobile base.
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Pharte's antics go far beyond mere creepyness in my opinion. What he's up to is borderline harassment. Yeah, harassment: "the act of systematic and/or continued unwanted and annoying actions of one party or a group, including threats and demands". Kinda sums up what Pharte has been up to at AICN, doesn't it?
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your stupidity is showing. You cannot harass someone by definition at a public place, at least not verbally. IE, if you are feeling harassed, stop reading (you don't do that very well anyway junior) and stop sleeping with your older sister too.
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I'd watch that. Don Murphy clearly already likes his robots flaming.
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except for those ridiculous flames. The script, however, is trash and nothing can save Optimus from that.
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I was rebutting your Spidey 3 trailer comparison.
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are pointless and stupid. They're wearing armor and they are fighting a perpetual civil war. The fact that they would even look remotely organic and exposed is just, well, dumb. But they need something to distract from that turd of a script, so I imagine all that crap will keep your eyes moving in the hope you won't pay attention to the flat one-liners and insulting stereotypes of the human characters. The filmmakers just don't get it.
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...and even if it wasn't your antics have been more than enough to warrant a banning. MNG is spot on.
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...at least to me. Fellowship felt like a whole lot of introduction and backstory, which I was kind of anxious to get past given myy familiarity with the characters and conflict. Wait a minute...that sounds kind of like what a lot of folks are complaining about with this Transformer movie. And, while I'm comparing trilogies, I know Star Wars has gotten some lip service in here. That first film (A New Hope, I won't even touch those shitty, shitty prequels) really isn't as great a film as many recall. As has been pointed out, the writing was amateur hour and the only saving graces were the epic scope of the overaching theme of the thing, the kernels of truth underlying the very stereotyped characters and the blow-your-eyes-through-the-back-of-your-head effects. Yet I'd never recommend we just pretend Star Wars never happened simply because Empire went on to transcend the trilogy and the genre by being a fantastic film (much like Wrath of Khan...can't believe I forgot that one, pillow talk, and X2 and Spidey 2, for that matter). Nor would I recommend skipping over Fellowship if you're sitting down to watch TLOR. Sometimes the seemingly needless setup is actually necessary when looking at a series of films. I'd argue that the FF film was a perfect intro to all those characters except for Doom. Paved the way for what's looking like a pretty darned good sequel. I wish they'd taken a similar approach to Daredevil (because they just tried to cram way too much into that). Maybe the problem folks are having is with the thought that this might be "it" in terms of Transformers on film. I don't think that's a realistic expectation. Based on the number of geeks here alone who say they're going to see it, it's got some amount of appeal even within the ever-fickle fan community. Judging by the way my 6-year-old nephew talked incessantly about this (and Spider Man 3) over Christmas with his cousin, my 15-year-old nephew, it looks like it might have some cross-age-bracket appeal as well. I think they're probably already planning the sequels based on anticipated box office and toy sale revenues. Maybe in the bigger picture, this introduction tot he universe of the film won't seem so unacceptable to certain folks?
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But purposely getting someone fired for crap that goes on here, IS harassment. You're talking about ruining peoples lives over "PWNS TEH SUCK". That's flatout crazy. Plain and simmple. Do you realize how many bullshit lawsuits (on top of all of the current bullshit lawsuits) that could be written up over whats said on the internet? Especially on sites like these? Jesus FUCKING Christ. This whole thing is nuts.
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I gotta disagree and say Fellowship was better. I was more pysched leaving the theatre after that one than the Two Towers. Perhaps that's because the long wait was over and I felt I was at long last rewarded with a kick ass fantasy film. And I think FF2 will be a much better film than this will be. Again, this will be like Independence Day, completely different once it is viewed outside of a theatre, and not in a good way. The extended version of DD was a lot better than the theatre version.
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What if they go after you? And you are banned, fired, or worse for something you said. Something you criticized. By ignoring them, you are "feeding the problem".
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I hear what you are saying that maybe as an "introduction" movie, it'll be better viewing later on. But I can tell you that the Phantom Menace is still mucho painful to watch.
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If there was ever a time to speak up on something that has went down in a talkback, nows the time. Either through the site itself, or other means. You guys know how to reach me, I know Mori does. Please, I'd like to know, we all would, just what in the hell is going on?Don't look for me in a Tranny talkback until the shit comes out. I don't care about getting fired as much as I do of being banned. And if I was to get kicked off this site, it certainly wouldn't be over this bullshit.I'm out.
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..but that's because he's been making very shitty movies lately. The last movie of his that I liked was the Rock and since that everything's been garbage.
I won't critique Bay for changing the storyline of Transformers though - a story line that wasn't that great to begin with. The studio isn't making this movie for the million or so fans that actually know the true Transformers mythos. That would be financially irresponsible.
Bashing Bay by comparing him to Jackson and Raimi is just assinine. Raimi and Jackson have changed the storyline/mythos of beloved films just as much as Bay has. The last time I checked Spidey didn't shoot web from his wrist and I seem to remember a whole lot of bitching about deleted characters from the Fellowship of the Ring (Tom Bombadill anyone?).
The difference is that Raimi and Jackson still respect the fact that the story (even when changed) comes before everything else - Bay does not. Bash Bay for his overemphasis on effects - but he and Hollywood have every right to change storylines to bring in the largest audience possible. Moviemaking is big business - not you making a stick figure 5 hour shortfilm in your basement so as to capture every nuance of the first LOTR book.
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...but, to be fair, the sequel prequels didn't help it out much by giving it a worthwhile context. I agree on the director's cut of DD. It was much better. I still think the basic approach was off, though. I know a lot of folks were clamoring then for a non-origin superhero flick, and DD kind of was that (there was a flashback, but it wasn't the core of the narrative), but I think a little more setup of who DD was (maybe a Year One kind of approach) and why he was important to the city (as in, more of the Kingpin as a puppet master and the city as a festering blight) would have made for a better first film, with the introduction of Elektra at the end. Then the movie we got could've been cut down differently to be a leaner retelling of his doomed, defining romance and could've ended with him taking on Kingpin and losing. The third film could've been him crawling back to redemption from the bottom of the Hudson and taking the Kingpin out legally, complete with a Nuke/Super Soldier fight in Hell's Kitchen. But I digress. I suppose I could be in the minority on liking Two Towers best of the Rings movies. I do know I felt King was a bit of a let down ending (not unlike ROTJ for STar Wars), but it doesn't diminish the trilogy for me.
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if you use the force his costume turns to bright red.
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...pillow talk? I bought a 42-inch HD flatscreen this time last year and I still don't know how to work the stupid controls. SOmedays I wish I could just transform into a gun and drop into Elvis' cold undead hands so he could shoot it.
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getting someone fired for something they actually did? that's called justice.
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it's not really a crusade. He just is boycotting it is all. Because the fucking killer did it to get famous .
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...a typo or a Freudian slip, BSB? WHichever, it made cranberry juice shoot out my nose for some reason. Maybe because my first thought was the Futurama episode where Bender was pimpin'.
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please stop using his name then too
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I work eleven hour days and I've got to do something to break them up. Still, you're avoiding the issue. Where can I get a Hobot? And, more importantly, is this the title of the movie Peter Jackson's going to make instead of the Hobbit?
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is not a remake...it is an update
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Okay, that tears it! This phrase is far too close to my patented catch insult, "cock monkey," which I've held exclusive rights to the use and licensing of since making it up in 1997. Whoever you are, Pharte, you can consider yourself sued.
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400+ posts in the last 24 hours? Are we bored or something since there are barely any updates?
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...Hobots, dick bunnies, cock monkeys, lawsuits and getting high at work. What's up with you, chrth?
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...the coining of "cock monkey" was actually accidental. I was watching Happy Gilmore at 3 a.m. with a couple of friends and we were trying to discern what Sandler's character was saying during that first televised rant on the putting green. I rewound it a couple of times and drunkly proclaimed that I was near certain he had said "cock monkey," which no one else agreed with. Didn't stop them from using it the next day...and buying me another drink each time they did so. It really is quite catchy once you start tossing it around in conversation.
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It got down to business. Personally, I don't think those films are so stellar in the characterization department with the exception of Gollum and they meander a bit in the setup. McKellen brings weight to Gandalf by the sheer force of his personality. Jackson is more successful at the spectacle.
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It felt more like a road trip movie, you know? Plus there's a certain innocence to it that I enjoyed a lot. Unlike the later two movies which revolved around Frodo bitching about how heaving the ring is. There was no overwhelming sense of doom, it was just a terrific adventure story. Fellowship felt more fresh, fun, and new than the other movies. Its still my favorite of the trilogy.
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He envisioned the helms deep battle. Maybe because orcs, unlike goblins, aren't really built for mountain climbing?
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That's my favorite anyway.
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Ok, I want to weigh in on the debate above. Two Towers is the best of the 3 films ...
If you're talking the Extended Edition. I don't even remember the differences, but the second I watched the EE for Two Towers, I knew I would not keep the regular editions. And sure enough, I didn't.
FOTR EE was a little disappointing, I felt the only thing it improved was the Boromir v Orcs scene. Granted, worth the price for just that, but still, I expected more from it.
ROTK EE is good because they added Saruman back in ... but at the same time, they didn't do anything to improve Denethor (DAMN YOU, PETER JACKSON!). And of course, ROTK still annoys me for the "No Man May Hinder/Kill Me" change. DAMN YOU PETER JACKSON!
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I don't know, apparently people are getting banned and fired over toy robots.
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The Hobbit is my favorite of his books. It isn't weighed down by the background politics like the LOTR trilogy is. Its just a fun and engaging adventure story.
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1) There are no differences between Orcs and Goblins. Did you mean Uruk-Hai (the Orc-Human hybrid)? There is no indication they could've climbed over the mountains like the Orcs from Moria could've.
2) Ok, the Frodo-on-an-Eagle thing has to stop. I've seen it for decades, and it's the stupidest idea possible. Frodo would be too vulnerable. One, he's in the air and obvious. Two, Sauron has access to flying steeds. Three, the Cracks of Doom are not necessarily accessible from the top of Mt. Doom. They are inside, down a tunnel; dropping the Ring into the volcano from above in no way guarantees the Ring finds its way into the Cracks. -
I meant Uruk-Hai, who would never have made it over those mountains. Good point with the eagle debunking by the way.
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...similar to Lord of the Rings, at least in the earlier parts of the latter book, but is far more economical in the telling of the classic reluctant hero's journey. It's nowehre near as deep, but that's the fun of it. And, unfortunately, that seems to be something Petey didn't appreciate if you look at what his plans for a Hobbit movie were. Anyway, I've always wondered why Gandalf didn't just ask an eagle to fly the ring to Mount Doom in the first place and fuck Frodo altogether (not literally, of course, although there was always the indication in the films that Gandalf might do just that). But I love the trilogy as a trilogy, just as I love The Hobbit as a distinctly separate entity set in the same world (not a prequel). Maybe my bittersweet relationships with certain series of films like Star Wars (two half-good films bookending one whizbang of an action adventure classic), The Godfather (one really good movie, one great one and then an afterbirth), The Lord of the Rings (which I can't even view as separate movies, really, but tend to enjoy the middle portion most over all) and Star Trek (which is just all the happy fuck over the place in terms of quality and consistency) have predisposed me to see a multi-film franchise coming and to reserve judgment until I've seen how the series is shaping up over time. Of course, that doen't explain how I knew Hostel was going to be ass and my absolute certainty that its sequel will be the other cheek. But exceptions prove the rule, they say.
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Ricky Henderson should be referring to Ricky Henderson in the 3rd person. What's all this "I" crap?
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Ricky Henderson forgot how Ricky Henderson should post. Ricky will do better in the future. Ricky Henderson.
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"No one will ever convince me that the G1 designs updated to work in full 3D wouldn't have worked for this film. By adding the proper joints to the 3D models, setting up proper links in the joints (IK chains), with proper constraints so the parts don't clip through each other, they could have given us some Transformers we can recognize."Not even someone who does 3d modelling for a living. I'm sorry but you cannot use the toy models BECAUSE they are toy models. There is simply no way to stop clipping from occuring unless you intend for your action characters to only move their arms and legs in about 6 degrees. You are seeing the update of Gen1 to 3D here and now. Even if they'd used the exact same cars from the toys, they'd still not be what you wanted
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Sauron does not expect the Ring to be destroyed; to paraphrase Gandalf (or is it Elrond?), Sauron can't imagine any other situation but the wielding of the Ring by an opponent. The reason he launches the attack against Minas Tirith is because he believes that Aragorn now has the Ring (or at least access to it) and he wants to eliminate it as a stronghold before Aragorn can get there.
The situation you describe would make it very obvious to Sauron what was happening. Gandalf can not stand against the combined power of the Nazgul, and no force in the 3rd Age could assault Mordor successfully. Steath and secrecy was the only viable option. -
man i missed some fun this morning, lol...thats what i get for getting completely hammered lol...BSB "You sucked so hard you nearly took the skin off, son." made me crack the fuck up. but hey, dont worry, if he bites too much i'm sure he'll say he's sorry :P
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Here's what Sauron knows, in chronological order:
1) There's a man called Baggins who lives in the Shire who has Gollum's ring. Or a man called Shire who lives in a land called Baggins. He sends the Nazgul to investigate.
2) The Nazgul discover the Ringbearer, but they lose him at the entrance to Rivendell.
3) Saruman reports to him that there's a group heading South (the Nazgul are out of commission at this point, so Sauron's only info is via Saruman)
4) Sauron makes contact with the Ringbearer at the falls of Rauros ... which is the entrance to Gondor. And he likely knows that the Heir of Elendil is with him (via Saruman).
5) Sauron and Saruman lose track of the Ring after the Breaking of the Fellowship and then the defeat of the Uruk-Hai by the Riders of Rohan. Wormtongue would've told Saruman that the Heir of Elendil was present with Gandalf in Rohan ... and perhaps he knew that "no one survived" the attack by the Riders ... but there is no trace of Hobbits to be found. If a Hobbit still has the Ring, it is lost. The other alternative is that Aragorn or Gandalf has it.
6) Pippin looks into the palantir at Orthanc, and is met by Sauron. Sauron probably thinks Saruman has betrayed him and sends a Nazgul(?) to investigate. The Nazgul will discover that Orthanc has obviously been attacked, and there will be no sign of Hobbits or Aragorn present.
7) Aragorn challenges Sauron and *wrests control of the palantir from him*. The same palantir that he quite recently saw a Hobbit look into. Putting 2+2 together ... Sauron launches an attack on Minas Tirith.
8) The attack on Minas Tirith fails, and an army from there approaches. This latter part is a calculated move by Gandalf, as a way of encouraging Sauron in thinking Aragorn has the Ring.
9) Frodo puts the Ring on at the Cracks of Doom, and what follows is the best paragraph in the entire book.
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What I outlined above is from the book, but I don't think any of it contradicts the movies. The only one that might is #7; iirc, there's no explicit mention in the movie that Aragorn challenging Sauron for the palantir encourages an early attack on Minas Tirith.
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I can't decide if that's a good kind of scary or a bad kind.
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Why would Bay or anyone of the other douchetards over there working on this pile of monkey shit start doing anything that could even hint at this being a Transformers related film. I mean other than the title and the placement of Autobot and Decepticon insignia there is nothing else to really sell this as a Transformers movie. Even using Peter Cullen's voice and the names of the characters isn't really going to do it. You know if Hasbro was smart they would look into creating a second G1 related property right now with a director who was passionate about the G1 story and release it in 2008 or 2009. Not to compete with the TF 2007, but to make more money and see which one really does better at the box office.
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I though these transformations were supposed to take 3-4 seconds. Not 8-10. That's way too long, but they gotta do what they gotta do to stretch this turd out. After all, it's not like they have a story to fall back on.
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less. The Eagles represent angels, and angels are messengers, they are not freewill agents who can choose to reject or accept the burden placed upon them. That is the job of men, or in this case, a Hobbit.
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Tolkien hated that word, said on multiple occasions that LotR was not meant to be allegorical.
The word he did like was "applicability".
Besides the Eagles do plenty in the Hobbit that aren't message related. And in fact in LotR they mostly do rescuing. Of course, the fact that the Eagles are the Children of Manwe may have something to do with that. -
Gandalf is essentially an angel in the Tolkien cosmology (an Aesir by the name of Olorin), and he is forbidden from taking direct, decisive action in Middle-Earth. Saruman is similarly restricted, however, he fails to live up to his charge and thus is not restored to Valinor upon his death.
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One time, Rickey was offered a seat on the team bus, the player saying that he had tenure. To which Rickey replied, "Ten years? What are you talking about? Rickey got 16, 17 years."
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Just back from the holiday vacation, and don't really have time to read the mountain of talkbacks here.
I wasn't impressed by the trailer and the transformers look like Gundam's from that anime. The whole shot of the boy and girl holding hands was awful. That tells me their plot line and characters will receive way too much screen time. It's a movie about giant robots, why do we need them? The people should be no more then extras in the movie.
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And far away, as Frodo put on the Ring and claimed it for his own, even in Sammath Naur the very heart of his realm, the Power in Barad-dur was shaken, and the Tower trembled from its foundations to its proud and bitter crown. The Dark Lord was suddenly aware of him, and his Eye piercing all shadows looked across the plain to the door that he had made; and the magnitude of his own folly was revealed to him in a blinding flash, and all the devices of his enemies were at last laid bare. Then his wrath blazed in consuming flame, but his fear rose like a vast black smoke to choke him. For he knew his deadly peril and the thread upon which his doom now hung.
From all his policies and webs of fear and treachery, from all his strategems and wars his mind shook free; and throughout his realm a tremor ran, his slaves quailed, and his armies halted, and his captains suddenly steerless, bereft of will, wavered and despaired. For they were forgotten. The whole mind and purpose of the Power that wielded them was now bent with overwhelming force upon the Mountain. At his summons, wheeling with a rending cry, in a last desperate race there flew, faster than the winds, the Nazgul, the Ringwraiths, and with a storm of wings they hurtled southwards to Mount Doom. -
I totally want to see a love story between shia lebuff and some other worthless young actor. I dont give one shit about the transformers. I just want to see the dynamics of the love story the movie is going to have.
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just messages. They can provide rescue and mete out justice. At least Biblically speaking. I know of Tolkien not liking his work labelled, etc. and it's clear there are many influences. Just like with myths and religion you find variations on common themes in many places. Didn't Manwe decide on his people's involvement in the wars of man? It is also interesting that for an angel, Gandalf never really fully realizes his power until he dies and returns, which seems to me more like Moses or a prophet, but I'm sure is reminscient of other such characters in European myth.
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but so true. The filmmakers really don't believe in the power of the TF myth, so they had to shackle it with every action movie cliche from the last 20 years.
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LotR predates European myth :)
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I was right with you up through your synopsis of the trilogy (specifically Sauron's limited awareness of the ring quest) and your very reasonable defense against the "why not have an eagle do it?" argument (although I still think an intelligent eagle would've been more than capable of a stealth mission and might have seemed even less suspicous than a couple of affectionate, hairy halflings) and your knowledge of the Silmarillion and underlying myth structure of Middle Earth is evident. But what do you mean LOTR predates European mythology? Are we talking about Celtic and Norse lore, here? Because LOTR most certainly drew from both, which existed long before Tolkien first waxed theological. And superninja, let's not overlook the obvious similarities between the return of the White Wizard and the resurrection of Aslan, which was a pretty obvious Jesus allegory (far as I know, Lewis had no compunctions about using that word). So in LOTR you've got multiple Jesus figures (Gandalf with his death and powerful return, Frodo with is sacrifice and self doubt, and Aragorn with his little detour to the underworld).
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yeah i can see somewhere in the 200+ posts that have happened since last night lol. only a 14 year old could think that by someone accepting a "fake" appology he has "owned" them...fuckn lame...oh man i'm so lost in this TB now...LOTR is not my strong suit :( oh well, carry on. maybe i'll learn something haha
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I thought it was an allegory; a bet made between Tolkien and CS Lewis in the pub to make a religious allegory.
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Tolkien was a philologist; he loved language. One of the popular ideas during his time was the idea of an ur-language, a language that predates all modern languages (what we now call Proto Indo-European). Tolkien also believed that language was the carrier for the legends and myths that exist in so many places and share so many commonalities. Therefore, if you combine the two ideas, then not only must there exist an ur-language, but an ur-legend as well.
Tolkien was consciously trying to create this with his works. He even made the comment that we're in the 6th or 7th age (whereas the bulk of LotR is the 3rd age) -- facetiously, of course. He was never insane enough to believe that the stories he was writing were the originals, but at the same time, he was trying to create stories that *could* have existed before all those we know.
One more thing about this: the temptation of Adam & Eve and the casting out from the Garden of Eden happens offscreen in the Silmarillion.
Finally, on Jesus. Iluvatar (ie God) intervenes only three times in the history of the world. First, when he removes Valinor from Ea (essentially, the 2-dimensional world becomes 3-dimensional, for sailing West -- unless you know the path through the stars -- does not reach Valinor anymore). Second, he restores Gandalf to life after his death by the Balrog.
And third, he sends Jesus to die on the Cross.
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borrow the least you can do is try to not claim you pre-date it. :)
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I should create a book that combines DaVinci Code, John Grisham, and the Bridges of Madison County and claim that the work I have created predates those :)
In all seriousness, Tolkien acknowledged the influence of the earlier works (although he says the Ring should not draw comparisons to the Ring Cycle opera-tized by Wagner (sorry, can't spell Nibel--). The Kalavela was a major influence, of course. But he does plenty of creation on his own. If you read through the original drafts of what he was trying to right, it's very obvious how his mind kept molding the work to his own design.
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...you were talking about within the imaginary world of Tolkien's fiction. For a second there I thought you'd gone all L. Ron Hubbard on us. Hail Xenu.
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He was being kind of humorous too, I think, but for the most part I agree with Tolkien's idea that myth and religion are often talking about some of the same events but make different claims about causation. But even Tolkien's reference to the ur-languages goes back to the Torah.
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I wish more writers had 1/10th the imagination of that man. His work is very layered and people are still arguing over it and copying it today for a reason. However, I still land on the C.S. Lewis side of things. But that movie was a snore-fest.
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And that, ladies and gentleman, is what started this entire thread in the first place ;)
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percentage of siphoned talent, but even that would require a supernatural explanation.
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machine and a talent-transferring device and broadcasted it. Then there is the Murphy Problem.
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Its been a long while since I've spoken to you. How have you been doing?
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I just got back from Austin, TX, and managed to avoid seeing Harry anywhere at all. :)
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I wish my break were longer, but otherwise, things are going splendidly.
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You know Just spent a hour researching this but then Fifox started acting up right when I was trying to post my response but Phartegoddprime did you know threatening a Government employee is considered a Act of terrorism. I just submitted your e-mail address and this page to TIGTA which the IRS version of the FBI. (Note) this is not a threat but a actual warning to PGP. and this is the last reply you'll get from me PGP regading any of your statements or actions.
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You're starting to remind me of a kid who has discovered a new toy. A toy called "Talkback". Yeah, I remember my first week on AICN, too.
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Obi Wan has taught you well. Can someone make stoopider go away?
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http://tinyurl.com/y6h3re This things altmode will get you killed. I love it.
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Truer words have never been spoken.
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I spent some time today with a lawyer friend discussing harrassment laws and liability issues. He agreed there may be a case here because of the threats, but here's where it gets even better...
If a harrassment lawsuit can be brought, and this jackass works for any company linked to this movie, then his company and even Paramount pictures could potentially be named in the lawsuit.
So let's talk serious for a moment Pharty, and I'm going to drop all pretense and bullshit and just talk reality. Thumping your chest on the internet and saying "my dick is bigger than yours" is not illegal and violates no laws, but once that thumping turns into threats, then a line has been crossed, and you've crossed that line. Internet bitching and bluster should stay on the internet, but once it moves off the internet and into people's real lives then it becomes a whole different animal. You've been acting like the big man on campus and I am taking you seriously.
I am fully aware that this may all be some stupid internet prank gone awry, and frankly it's a pretty good one if it is, but threatening to take this to the next level and interfering with people's real lives is simply something that cannot be tolerated.
And since I promised to drop all pretense and bullshit I'm going to admit I lied about something. My wife is not a cop, that was just me thumping my own chest, in reality she is applying to become a cop though, and that's where that particular idea came from.
Make no mistake about something, I really did consult with a lawyer today, and while harrassment is not his area of expertise, he's a copyright lawyer, he agreed that threats, both actual or implied, are a component of harrassment lawsuits.
The ball is officially in your court now Pharty, do you think we can dispense with this bullshit, because I'd be happy to. I'm the least litigious person on the planet and want nothing to do with a lawsuit, but I cannot stand by while you threaten the livelihood of myself and others here. -
Supersize Me
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is it me or does it looks likt Prime has a pot belly.
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ever more proof Bay and Co. are aiming this at the Trailer park.
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"Flames and a Pot Belly"
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the Autobot Matrix of Leadership
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Its a underpowered sports car also released by Saturn as the Sky. It has less HP then the 72 camaro Bumblee starts out as and the 2009 Camaro is supposed to have 400Hp
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I'm looking for a good 50 Inch with 1080p for less then $1,300.
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and it was the Binaltech that was the RX8 which would still be better then a Solstice. But I digress is it true that you cant see the diference between 1080p and 720p if the screen is not larger then 50 inches.
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I think I got too much crap to mount it to the wall PS2, 360, Comcast,GC,X-box, DVD player, and I want to keep my security deposit so I can't do any drilling. And I think 50 inches of rear projection would be too massive.
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I got my First FF game this Christmas (yeah I'm late but I heard this is the best one since VII) I'd check out ICO, Shadow of the colossus, MGS3:subsistence, and the Xenosaga trilogy (well at least the first one.
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remember Magatron and Optimus lasted for weeks and then there is something called the aquafag talkback that lasted for a whole year.
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and remember Megatron has not been cast yet.
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and remember Megatron has not been cast yet.
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and goodluck I think I'm going to put some time in with LOZ:TP.
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I still haven't seen Lady in the Water. No one would watch it with me. AND my crap DVD player is broken. Lame to the max.
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yeah...Bruce was in that, groovy!
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who else likes C.U.N.T.? need sleep, or whats that dishsoap? ECHO...ECHo...ECho...Echo...echo...
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that you needed rotated?
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you felt Dopey? and if you felt Dopey were you Happy? or are you Happy because you're a Doc who can cure a Sneezy(who is really Grumpy). These questions dwarf me into being Bashful.
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But iirc, it was a different one that caused the Phantom Zone to be created. Oh yeah! It was the 'hidden' Phantom Menace Talkback. THAT was awesome.
I'm finally getting a PS2, mainly for Guitar Hero, Amplitude, Gitaroo Man, and Beatmania (um, I like Rhythm games, mmkay?) ... plus Shadows of the Colossus (as previously mentioned), and Devil May Cry (all 3 available in a nice cheap 'anniversary' package). I think there are enough exclusive games available to make it a worthwhile investment, and by the time I get tired of those games (and the Xbox games I still haven't played), PS3 and X360 should be a lot cheaper. Second verse, same as the first.
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I had stated that Gandalf/Olorin was one of the Aesir. That is incorrect, as 'Aesir' is a term for the Nordic gods. The word I should've used was Maiar.
Thanks to John Hodgman for using the word Aesir in reference to Ragnarok in his book 'The Areas of my Expertise' for providing the impetus for me to correct my earlier mythological folly. -
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As I've seen like 2 or 3 films this year (V for Vendetta, X3, and POTC2 -- the last for free), I really can't talk about every other film on the list.
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...I totally agreee that the Alternator approach would've been the best for these movie robot designs. I think what we got is clearly closer to that way of thinking (at least in body design) than it is to G1. If they'd made sure to slap G1 heads on these designs, I'll bet they'd improve by quantum leaps in a lot of folks' eyes. As for your TV stand hunt, let me know what you find. I wound up putting my TV on a low bookshelf, now full of DVDs and Xbox 360 crap. I'm looking for a hutch-like thing to put on top of the shelf so my DVR and DVD player can sit on top of the shelf but under the TV (if that makes sense) and I can free up more shelf space for movies and games. On the whole "no such thing as too massive a TV" argument, I agree with a qualifier: you can have too big a TV for a particular room. I think if I went much bigger than 42" in my living room, there'd be no place to sit where you could see the whole picture at once.
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Maybe I should throw that in the DVD player tonight. Though I'm hoping Jet Li's Fearless comes in the mail today. Has anyone seen that?
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or better yet, Bandit. Scrappy little dog! Ah, Johnny Quest was the real deal!
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I actually prefer it to the original. Most of the changes I felt improved it.
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Man you guys are a bunch of lame-ass dorks who get laid so rarely that you feel the need to call a CGI robot gay to prove you like chicks. It's a f-ing robot, douchebags. By definition, it CANT be homosexual. Grow up and say the flames look douchie or something. PS: I'm gay, and whether prime has flames on his chest or not, I DON'T WANT TO F HIM!
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Of course, I'm also thinking stoopider is just JJ4P.
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Now the talkback community is relieved that you don't want to screw Optimus Prime. You had us worried!
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i wouldnt mind the flames if optimus wasnt one of those faglol American style 18-Wheelers instead of waht he was in the cartoon and comics.
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not really the point, but a witty come back. I gotta give you that. the point is, how many gay guys do you see driving cars and motorcycles with giants flames down the sides? The answer is "I DON'T KNOW" because anyone driving cars and motorcycles with giants flames down the sides could be gay. however, you and I both know that adding flames to Prime was a ploy to make it look like a cooler toy for kids... not to target that gay demo who SO love being called 'flamers', btw... no really, we find it chraming. I hope whether any of you guys or gals have issues with gay people or not, (and for the record I don't think calling a CGI robot gay makes you a homophobe), I hope you can appreciate that it SUCKS that a word used correctly to describe you ('gay') is, in this situation, AT BEST being used as an adj. to convey the idea of being lame or stupid, and AT WORST trying BEYOND REASON to say "Optimus Prime has flames on his chest... THANKS A LOT GAY PEOPLE!" Its silly either way. The former only requires that people grow up, say what they mean, and replace 'gay' with 'stupid' , and latter requires a lot of soul searching and the realization that flame on a CGI trunk is HARDLY a victory for gay people... trust me... we have bigger fish to fry.
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I too have a Samsung DLP and bought the Samsung stand designed for it. It's the best way to go imho, because the stand and tv fit together seamlessly.
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Completely agree dude. I don't think anyone really thinks that, and if they do, well they have some serious issues. And proclaiming yourself as the Yo-yo master gets the chicks...
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sounds like a telethon! Operators are standing by....
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da comrade!
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so I can have my real life version of Race Bannon. He is so groovy!
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I wanna see a boat squash lizard men! Nothing better than lizard men...
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too homosexual? I mean, flames on cars are pretty silly.
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but they are a close second!
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because they were the villians to start it all out if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure we can fit lobsters and lizards together. After all, it is Johnny Quest, he can handle it.
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and Johhny Quest.
We love it. I think it's the best pic and can't beat the price. Have had it a year and no problems. Just wish there were more HD channels on my cable. But I've become quite the Discovery Channel junkie. -
Progressive but does anyone here have a 1080p and is it that much better then a 720p
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In a way, it is mocking the original intent of the character(which was to be John Wayne-esque and Americana) pretending to pay homage. Hollywood does this all the time and thinks its cute. You can tell sometimes when a filmmaker is just rolling in trash and loving it because he's mocking it and elevating it at the same time, having it both ways. Bay is particularly masterful at this. Just my opinion.
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John Wayne would be driving around in a big rig with flames on the side if he were alive today? Who knows. I think it reaks of PoMo pop mockery.
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For every Prime you have a Surfer...balance in the force is maintained.
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I always said the difference between 1080i and 720p was not visible but 1080p is stunning. Mind, i wanted 1080p for games.
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And yes, i like the show.
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The problem with pixely LCD's is that alot of manufacturers have bust a gut to bring out cheap sets to get them into peoples homes. Here in the UK alot of people see LCD HD TV's more as a fashion accessory or status symbol; sad but true. As a result, you get crap manufacturers selling cheap ass TV's just so people can brag they have a flat panel set. If you are wanting a 1080p compatible set though, you usually find the pixel/refresh problems go out the window as you have to buy a high end TV. I just bought this one from sony http://tinyurl.com/ymaez3 - superb. Just have to keep my son from playing near it.
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I have a stupid question: who is Don Murphy?
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But stoopider has a very good point about Sly in the TB's, it was a brilliant marketing ploy, and his movie has made a wackload because of it....he had alot riding on it, so stoopider is right about the fact that is was a manipulation.
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i kinda think the flames are lame but i'm PRETTY f-ing sure I'll be there regardless cause giant robots fighting (whether they are fighting in a way that is faithful to the cartoon) it is gonna be kickass... it just will be.
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But come on now, does anyone really believe there's enough people at AICN to make a dent in numbers? I mean, I know the "Internet Exponential Agreement Effect"* occurs here, but that doesn't influence box office (unless the producers of a film are relying on it a la SOAP).
*The IEAE states simply that for everyone who agrees with you on something, you believe 10^x people in the world agree with you. Thus if you find four people in agreement with a forum post, you immediately assume 10,000 (10^4) people in the world agree with you. If you find 9, that means you assume a billion people do.
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Bay thinks trashy is Americana, you can see it in all of his films. He thinks lowbrow is what plays to America. He is probably right. :)
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it is not about the numbers who hang out, but the number of hits. More people read this site than you think.
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But that doesn't mean it translates to Box Office.
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...360 games look hella cool on it. Yack, I'm also looking for something more "furniturey" (or at least my wife would rather I did), so if you find anything good, pop back in here and share. Meanwhile, if I don't get to check before the New Year, everyone out there have a very happy one (even you stoops).
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This has to be the worse James Bond Theme song ever.
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Can't keep up with this talk back.
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It should be the theme song for Celebrity Kabbalah.
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License to Kill by Gladys Knight. Seriously. Here is the hook: "I've got a license to kill, and you know I'm going straight for your heart. I've got a license to kill, anyone who tries to tear us apart." Yuck. A majorly underrated Bond songs are Sheryl Crow's Tomorrow Never Dies and Garbage's The World Is Not Enough. Good songs, boring movies.
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I leave AICN for a few days and Don Murphy shows up AGAIN and stirs shit up. Its really at a point where someone should just do something. I mean wow. Maybe if he made a quality product he wouldn't have to resort to such insane ramblings to try and protect his precious piece of crap.
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is the producer. But you really should just google him to find out more.
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Michael Bay had a good idea with "The Island," and the first 15 minutes of the movie asked a few interesting questions about clones, and identity, a freedom even ... but then it just went all explosion-y, and Scarlett JoSweetTits didn't even get naked. And that's where "The Island" failed. Not only was it retarded, but it also fucked over its adolescent audience by not giving up the highly demanded goods. Come on, Bay ... if you want to rack up the moolah, you got to give up the rack! Just look at "Swordfish." Not one person went to that movie for John Travolta's sea-monkey-looking ass, I promise. It was all about Halle Berry and the gift God gave her!
All that aside, I predict that without tits, Transformers will be ultimately forgettable, which is sad ... because the cartoon was pretty great, and the characters were a lot of fun. But no one here thinks Bay's a director capable of inserting character nuance into these giant killing machines, and his only chance to make money then is to give up the tits. Who're the main actresses in this movie? What's the rating going to be? What kind of racks are we looking at here? Is there a swimming pool scene without a giant robot in it? Is there a scene where a chic in daisy dukes rides on Optimus' big gun?
These are the big, important questions that no one's asking. Who cares about Optimus' flames? He's going to be fucking gay in this movie ... it's Michael Bay, for God's sake. That's like putting Uwe Boll on the set of the a live-action G.I.Joe or something. Everyone just pray for titties ... in 1080p, blu ray or HDDVD glory! -
"deep" in Michael Bay land.
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True enough, "The Island" was pretty "deep" for Bay ... almost as "deep" as "The 6th Man" was for Arnold. It's too bad Spielberg wouldn't direct this thing himself. Of course, if Spielberg directed, there'd be absolutely no chance for tits in the movie ... and if Michael Bay is a cocksmoker, as is rumored, there'll be no chance for tits in Transformers, either ... shit. It's all a loss! I'm cashing in my chips and calling it a day.
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PoopiePants ... "gay" people are NOT allowed to criticize and ridicule people who, in your eyes, misuse the word "gay."
Why? Well, it's pretty simple ... homosexuals have usurped the word "gay," which in the 30's meant "happy," and turned it into a word that now stands for someone who loves/gets funky with the same sex.
You can't go chastising people for calling Optimus' flames "gay." Homosexuals aren't all "gay" people, anyway. How many angry homosexuals do you know? Well then, seeing as we've already established that "gay" means "happy," and not "pole-galloper," I think we can count you as an angry homosexual, one who clearly is not so "gay."
Optimus' flames are "gay" though ... they make the killer robot inside of him quite thrilled, actually, I know it. Look at that little LCD twinkle in his optical cavities! When he rides around town, he's strutting those flames, baby! Just waiting for a member of the Village People to jump in his backseat.
On a side note, Homos - stop stealing symbols. Come up with your own. Rainbows ... they used to be whimsical little emblems of childhood, St. Patty's Day and leprechauns. Now, you can't have a rainbow without a gay pride parade. Imagine how emasculated the University of Hawaii's "Rainbow Warriors" felt ... they even changed their name recently to just warriors.
Jeez ... you homos are just like the Nazis ... who stole the swastika from the Buddhists and gave it new meaning. Hopefully now, then, after comparing homos to sadistic killers, we'll see the true meaning of a flaming homosexual.
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caue mine is F'ed up
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Load my Homepage and its running extremely slow.
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would hug at the end and agree to stop the violence.
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both the Transformers and the humans would sound mechanical.
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Megatron would have a slight Optimus Complex and Bumblebee would worry that Mikalea just liked him for being a Camaro.
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besides the film, but maybe you can't read between the lines?
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I can't wait for the Transformers to make 30 billion dollars in the cinema! I hope that after part one comes out, Michael Bay makes his own addition to the lineup with his TobyKeithicon, a star-spangled, red, white and blue-blooded robot that defends liberty, justice and every man's God-given right to hunt and fish, as well as the ability to wear a studded cowboy hat instead of one of those Satanic turbans.
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I noticed someone said something about talking "behind their backs." What does that mean when you're online? I'm kinda curious ... and need to know more!
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you are comfortable with. Enjoy.
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wear bikinis and have nipples for no apparent reason. They serve beer out of them and only change into NASCAR vehicles.
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I'm so excited about this movie that I'm hurling large chunks of feces at the people outside my cage!!! Woohoo!!! I even made an actual transformer out of said-feces.
It's called the MichaelBayicon. Vrooommmmmm. I'm rolling the MichaelBayicon around the newspaper that lines my cage right now ... wait ... oh no. MichaelBayicon, why?!! You were never really a transformer at all ... just a piece of shit pretending to be ...
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Well ... to be fair, the warden doesn't let me keep the shit on my walls for very long, even though I cleverly disguise the shit as different celebrities. Michael Bay is, by far, the best shit construction I've made. And I attribute his heartiness to the amount of fiber I've been eating.
Stooopider, do you really think Transformers is going to rule the world? I mean, seriously? And now it's off to work ... 14 cents an hour making belt buckles. Who knows why the give me a computer in this place. -
Megatron would be reduced to a love sick emo concert escapee who wears some pretty funky wigs.
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No one would see megatron until the last thirty seconds of the film and Optimus Prime would be morose, pensive, and would quietly whisper his catchphrase, "autobots....transform....and....roll out."
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Spike is really young G-d and the transformers are his playtoys.
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The movie would be generally forgettable 2 weeks after its initial release and receive 7 oscars, including for best director.
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What if Michel Gondry directed it? Or ... better yet ... Penny Marshall?
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You're probably right about a Francis Ford Coppola Transformers movie, but to back ol' Francis up, at least then we'd have a great shot of Wynona Ryder running around in the rain, with her tits bouncing up and down.
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Lends itself to the question of who you wnat to direct this?
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The first few installments would be pretty good, but then would decline steadily until finally, we were forced to watch a film that attempts to foist some b-level actor into a starring role. Kinda like what Bay is doing now.
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What the deuce?? Try who you want
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The film would rely on quirky editing, self conscious cinematography, and would give me a headache in less than twenty minutes.
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Honest, I love most of the directors I was making fun of--its just a joke is all. In all seriousness, if reality were somehow bent to my wishes, i would hope that James Cameron would do it. I know its cliche, but fighting robots would be right up his area of expertise. Beyond that, I'm not really partial or impartial to anyone, other than MTV style directors--I really can't stand those guys.
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if Yack directed
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I see you already answered. Phategod then?
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Don't worry pal. Haven't been taking you seriously - just seen alot of people annoyed at Bay but not many alternative solutions. Trying to think of one myself and your suggestion of Cameron comes as close as anything. I actually think it would a trick prospect of opening this up to a wide audience and keeping fan boys pleased. Put it this way Batman Begins annoyed the hell out of me but I really liked the Hulk - guess what I like a fair bit of Batman comics and don't know much of The Hulk
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If you made it?
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South Central LA would kick some Transformer ass.
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Can't beat giant robots fucking around on the big screen. Well maybe if you throw in a few bouncing tits. Can't beat them either
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Never asked you if Phategodprime directed
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From previous TB I thought he was producing. To be honest I've never heard of Don Murphy. Although I do know of Michael Bay and that so far I've not been too keen on his films. But having said that I'll pay money to see these. Giant robots fucking around on the big screen and all that.
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From Hell didn't do much for me . .. Style over substance ...and in a geek way it pissed of Alan Moore. Didn't mind Natural Born Killers though. Also Stoop not into the whole slagging off other Tbers type thing that goes on too much on these things. And I realise Yack, BSB etc has been as guilty as you and Pharte. I actually think TF would have been easire if it wasn't called TF but something else then more people would have been excited about this and there wouldn't be so many arguments about the appearances etc
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why I can't be fucked with shit exchanges like that between TFD and Stoopider. I'm sure there are special chatrooms that both of you can go to
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we will get thread back up to the top slot--only 4 more posts to go!!
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after that last post
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Forgot to put a period at the end of that last sentence.
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that capone's best of list.
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That last post seemed to have put us into the lead already. Almost no point in typing this one, I guess.
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or weiners
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Oops, I meant Damn You Michael Bay!!!!!
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since this is the most active tb, this was the place to say suthin.Y'know I joke around a lot here at AICN, but this is from the heart... Given what's gonna happen in the next hour or so, please stay safe and keep an eye out this holiday weekend. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say I've got a uneasy feeling with what's going down.Also, supposedly news broke that the Indy 4 script is finished, but Im willing to bet any talkback for it will be hijacked by discussions of Saddam's hanging.
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but i do like you username.
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I know I'm setting myself up for this one but I actually liked Silent Hill. I don't know how many gamers there are in this site but Silent Hill did the best job of any video game movie at capturing the spirit of the game. and there working on a PT.2.
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I mailed that French article and translation to harry a little while ago... but I guess he doesn't trust me... Bottom line, loved the first film, but at the same time wanted more... Looks like a new director will be up for part 2. Will it continue the same story? Or will it be a new one that is much more faithful tot eh second game? Or will it be a mish mash of the two? Either way, I anticipate it eagerly... but I'm much more looking forward to Origins and the 5th installment.
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http://tinyurl.com/w64us
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and made more sense War of the I-need-to-see-this Worlds.
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Now this is some funny stuff. Please tell me one of you guys had something to do with this: http://tinyurl.com/ylgarp"You know at the end of the day / action is Bay!"
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stooopider is drowning in punani but still finds time to post on here baiting toy robot enthusiasts eighty-seven times a day?
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BTW: I'm looking forward to your banishment, stooopider
by mr. nice gaius
It's inevitable.AICN has had some memorable Trolls in its time. However, you are amongst some of the worst I've seen. What you are doing is blatantly obvious (i.e. Attention Whore) and, ironically, it's been done better. Hell, even PharteGodd in his prime was more effective than you. And that's saying something!So, I can imagine how frustrating it must be for you being stuck in the basement, pounding your pudd and your keyboard, wondering when someone will finally acknowledge your pathetic, impotent pleas for attention and recognition. And I'm sure the condition of impotence is probably contributing to your misplaced, misguided, and misfired attempts at what you think will constitute "pwnage".But since I'm giving you a sliver of my attention, I'll just say this:Shut The Fuck Up. If you've got something constructive to say, then say it. Get to the point. Otherwise, your constant spamming of the TBs is just wasting AICN's bandwidth. Do. Not. Debate. Me. On. This.OK, pachenko? OK.Finis.
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You should check out that link in my previous post. You'll definitely get a kick out of it. Laters.
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What do you think of primes pot belly
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My Girlfriends got me amped a little when she say this HD that Boscov's is selling but its 720p. It seems like 1080p is the way to go. So I think I'll wait till I get my Tax return for a little more disposable cash. That and I'm thinking of refinancing my car. the payments are killing me.
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Thank god I saved this page.
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it'a funny earlier today I mean yesterday when TFD showed up someone suggested that he was moriarty or another staff member and right before I read that I thought the same thing. But the real question is who would win in a Fight TFD or The Juggfuckler?
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C'mon BSB. Jurassic Park and Schindler's List?!? HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOO.
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I admit, I'm impressed. It's not often that I'm impressed by a cunt.The cunt's question: "How many emails have you sent to admin so far?"Answer: None on my part. There is no need to. The Mods don't need my help with cunts. All in good time.
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Hey there Phate. It's kind of hard to make out the details on that Empire mag cover. The shadows definitely make it look like he's got some extra bulk up front now. But in terms of his chest, I actually prefer the image we've seen with him holding his BFG. (Most of the things we've seen so far do take some getting used to.) Bottom line: I dig Prime's design and remain hopeful for the film.
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Thanks, I knew that I could. I didn't "call" for your banishment. I said I'm "looking forward to it". Big difference.Learn how to read. Learn how to interpret. And learn how to synthesize. Then maybe they'll let you out of the 1st grade.
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Saturday mornings, is: Who posts a zillion times in a row and has no valid point in any of them? Why the vendetta against certain TB'ers?? MNG - more power to you if you still remain hopeful on this film.
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Thanks. It's tough to remain optimistic on this film, but I believe the TFers concept (in general) can deliver a fun, action-packed movie with heart. I think we may end up being surprised.Quote: "Who posts a zillion times in a row...?"I'll tell you who: one of DM's "Stooges" (or someone of that ilk) who has identified a few of the more vocal AICN's TBers (in terms of Transformers) and is relentlessly trolling them in an effort to silence their dissatisfaction with the film and its producer.Of course that's just a theory I'm working on. Doesn't change the fact that he's a cunt.
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...I've got a full day planned today. Let's see how "busy" stooopider turns out to be when we tally up his posts later on.
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You bore me, stooopider. Have fun talking to yourself though.Good day.
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It doesn't let up. By the time they leapt across the asteroid in the landrover (or whatever the hell they were doing), I said 'Enough!'. And no, I wasn't emotionally exhausted, I was bored by it all.
Let us contrast that to the opening scene of Saving Private Ryan. Very intense, very bloody, very amped up. But I swear, at the exact moment I thought "this is getting to be too much" -- Spielberg shifted the viewpoint into someone's head. Suddenly, it got quiet. You could hear the bass of the mortar and the treble of the dying screams, but it was muffled. It was, frankly, a break from the violence, and for my head at least it was a blessed release. Now, one could argue that the audience should be forced to deal with the volume of the situation for the entire scene, but Spielberg knows there's only so much someone can take before their brain starts to shut down. Freakin' brilliant. -
Sheesh, you'd think with the character-limitation in the subject I'd be more concerned about the words I'm using.
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Yeah, I'm pretty much feeling the same way, myself. I'm hoping against hope, almost to the point that I'm holding my fingers in my ears, closing my eyes, and chanting,"please be good, please be good, please be good." Kinda sad that I have to do that, but I really want this movie to be great. Of course, all signs, save Cullen, are pointing to the contrary, but I'm hoping anyway.
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aside from the obvious shills (stoop and pharte), the most optimistic opinions among us regular TB'ers concerning this particular movie is that it might actually be good. Considering the age group this film is targeting (everyone below 35), there should have been a giant wave of positivity for this thing. Heck, its only about the hottest property for the 80s generation--nearly every kid had one, watched the show, read the comics, and remembers TF pretty fondly. Sure, its a big hunk of 80s cheese, but thats the whole point for anyone who grew up during that time. And dont even get me started about how TF has suddenly become popular again, targeting entirely new groups of kids. All in all, to anyone under 40, this film should be a must-see. And everyone I know, once they've learned who is directing TF and have read the script (to say nothing of the extremely divisive designs), is that they are hoping for it to be good. They aren't saying, "Wow! This fucker will kick ass!" or even "This is going to be great." No, everyone, save for the obvious shills, is basically praying for it not to suck. Just goes to show you the true power of a director and script, huh?
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A bit ham fisted in its attempts at moving the audience (whether through brutality, empathy, or sorry), but hey, this IS Spielberg we're talking about. That said, it was a damn fine movie that was really successful at depicting the sense of paranoia and isolation in espionage.
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and really, with a slew of movies that deal with the middle east and/or terrorism, I'm so sick of hearing a singer, whom I can't understand, wail incessently and randomly into a microphone while moody music plays in the background. That sort of thing has reeeeaaaalllyy played itself out for me.
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If I recall correctly, it was Ridley Scott's Black Hawk Down. After that, I had to endure that sort of soundtrack in Gladiator, Kingdom of Heaven, Munich, The Sum of All Fears (thankfully only minute snitches in an otherwise SUPERB soundtrack), and a slew of oddball war flicks. ENOUGH ALREADY!!!
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Hey man, I don't know if you got my message in the other TB, but Happy New Year. You may only be a spammer, but you're no flame-baiter. Your movie still sucks though. Seriously, make something better.
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Ok. I think GLADIATOR came out before BHD, so maybe that's the movie. Whatever the case, it is Hans Zimmers' fault. And maybe some of the blame goes to Ridley Scott? KINGDOM OF HEAVEN dipped into that well a lot too. But I really enjoyed KOH regardless.
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I dont know why, but I always thought black hawk down came before gladiator--duh. Looks like it was indeed Gladiator's fault, in which case it is STILL Hans Zimmer. And yes, KOH (the directors cut is the ONLY cut in my mind) is a great movie.
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I loved the movie as well, but to this day I think that's Hans Zimmers' best work. I also loved his scores for THE ROCK and BLACK RAIN.
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I'm going to silence this little potential flame war before it even begins by telling you that on both sides, people do lousy shitty things. For the record, terrorists target civilians, while soldiers target bad people and quite often, good people inadvertantly get in the way, especially because terrorists use people has human shields. Now, as far as the movie is concerned, remember that those werent true mossad spys/assassins--they were basically a bunch of civies that were told to take out the enemy, and that father/husband was one of their initial targets, which is probably consistant with the fiction as laid out by Spielburg. You'll notice that I said fiction because there were quite a few technical inconsistancies, such as the idiotic use of zip guns instead of sidearms equipped with supressors, absurdist reasoning for hiring a bunch of glorified rookies to do espionage on the fly, and a million other tactical aspects that fly in the face of reality. That said, it was still a good movie, and if you can't handle the idea that maybe, just maybe, israelis might be hesitant about their first kills, then you might look in the mirror before making acusations about "collective punishment."
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While I disagree with some of the things you've said, I don't think you're flame-baiting. I do think debating you on these issues would be a waste of time. Let's just say I respect your right to state your opinion.
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I love to hate, of course - thanks, Mr. Bay) is Affleck and the animal cracker. Wow, did I hate that moment. That's also the moment when I realized how annoying Ben Affleck was.
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Let me make it clear, I realize you arent flame baiting--all Im saying is that it will ERUPT into a flame war;) Oh, and as far as collective punishment is concerned, Im quite certain there are mossad officers that subscribe to that. Likewise, I also know for a fact that many do not. I'm sure we could debate this all day long, you and I, but all Im saying is that you are generalizing by saying that all of mossad believes in collective punishment. Thats just a blanket statement, gany, and thats why i said you should look in the mirror before accusing others of believing in blanket guilt, as it were. And just so you understand where Im coming from, were I in the position of dealing with a particularly bad tango who shields himself with civilians, I would still take out his headquarters. IF I have to kill a bad guy who has a wife and kid in his home and the only way I can get to him is by taking them all out at once, and I can think of at least a half dozen scenarios and instances that would play and have been played EXACTLY like this, i would still do it. Yes, its a horrible thing, but I would do it and WITHOUT feeling guilt. Yes, its a damned hard thing to do but it is a necessary action as a result of my enemy's cowardice and evil actions. Again, its not prejudice or some sort of collective guilt, gany, but merely necessity. You can think Mossad is some evil organization all you want, but it is in fact a beacracy filled with varying points of view, just like we all are, gany. So please, no blanket statements in which you accuse others of blanket guilt.
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Disclaimer: I am only comparing ARMAGEDDON with the 2/28/06 draft of the TRANSFORMERS script. These comments in no way reflect the imminent brilliance that will come 7/4/07 (a date tattooed on my arm) because we all know the script has NOTHING to do with how a movie turns out ;) Ok, end of disclaimer-- watching ARMAGEDDON I noticed how annoying it was that characters acted like 10 year-olds amidst a pretty terrible situation. The Earth is about to be pulverized, but these guys are strutting their stuff left and right. Style overrides substance constantly. The same holds true for the characters in the TRANSFORMERS script (SPOILERS FROM HERE ON OUT). The story, dominated by humans, shows characters acting like they're on drugs. A low-0level NSA girl mouthing off to the SecDef about his ugly necktie? A 16 year-old boy sassing the government agent (Turturro) who apprehended him rather abruptly (the same kid, mind you who could barely give a book report at the beginning of the movie)? There's also a silly scene where Tyrese needs to buy a ham radio and the lady at the pawn shop (Big Bertha I think her name was, not kidding) tells him "I don't care about no emergency, Momma needs cash!" This twisted take on human behavior is a MIke Bay trademark. He thinks basing anything in reality is boring. He's the guy that drenches french fries in 5 different condiments because regular fries and ketchup is "so fucking yesterday!" Armageddon lost me when Bruce Willis started shooting a shotgun off on a FUCKING OIL RIG. That movie not only requires you to check rationality at the door, but also any semblence of common sense as well. The TRANSFORMERS script accomplishes the same feat.
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Mossad is a beaurocracy, not beacracy. Anywho, you get the idea, ganny. And please, no hard feelings on this debate, okay? I'm quite convinced that 90 percent of all our arguments arise out of our differences in terminology, intent, and good old sentence structure rather than actual differing opinions. I'm fairly certain you're an open minded guy, so please do not mistake my rather harsh tone for disrespect, okeydokey?
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It goes back to what I said before - he elevates the stupid, and then tries to act like stupid is honorable or noble at the same time. Just imagine if Bay directed LOTR: Aragorn "Shit, baby, I just want to get that ring to Mordor so I can get some sweet elf love."
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Bay's behalf.
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I am not PC by any means, but it is disservice to the story and it's just filler because there really are no characters here.
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Deep Impact was better (which isn't saying much), at least millions died, entire shuttle crew is sacraficed, and it had Morgan Freeman. And like Ninja has reminded us all, no animal cracker scene (shudder). Munich was a very good film, but it wasn't great for me. I felt maybe it needed to be shorter or something. The scene with the little girl going back to the apt was freak'n tense.
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And the requisite "I'm gettin' too old for this shit" line. That's funny stuff, supes.
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They don't show the Chinese Army sitting offscreen enjoying their conquest of America.
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there is at least one scene where they sing along while they travel to and old Motown or Southern Rock song.
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It's all anti-intellectual stuff, like you've said supes. I read the script and thought "Wow, this is definitely a Mike Bay movie." At least he's consistently idiotic. He never tries to spread his stupidity into new and exciting idiotic territory. And yes, DEEP IMPACT was a better movie, at least it had some actual human emotion in it, not this whacked out, absurd behavior Bay and Co. put together in their "moving picture."
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There is a lot of that in the culture and I accept it. It's that using stereotypes to create individuals in your story is about the laziest writing ever. Stereotypes exist for a reason, but the last thing you want to do as a writer is make your supposedly compelling characters stereotypes! Bay has always done this, but I though the TF script really took it to a new low. I think I'm more annoyed that they filmed that script than anything else. If Bay had a good script, he would still probably have made some manipulative choices in telling the story (like he always does), but at least it would've been a good story. Even Armageddon's script was better than TF.
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a Bruckheimer thing. Bruckheimer has pulls that shit in his other movies (REMEMBER THE TITANS comes to mind). Motown and Classic Rock dragged through the mud. It's actually funny in an absurd way. The Earth is about to blow up, but all I want to do is SING SING SING!
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Dec 30, 2006 1:52:01 PM CST
chrth - it's in the extended edition of Deep Impact...
by just pillow talk
They also enjoy many a Sam Adams (commercials sold them, big into hops they are).
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Oops, my bad, it's the 1,000,000th time this week. Obsessed much?
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Armageddon then?
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Archetypes, not stereotypes.
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THE PHANTOM MENACE is ranked #6 in worldwide gross all time. Do you want to praise the shit out of that movie too? Have at it.
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They're pure crap, except for McGreggor's Obi-Wan, the sole saving grace. The entire prequels should've been told from Obi-Wan's POV. What a waste of epic proportions!
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Its the most ironic fact of my life that I'm a teacher of history and english and even get paid to write, yet I'm the world's worst speller. Never can explain it--I just am.
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The original trilogy, in which case you're missing the point again. Superninja said it succinctly, which I dare not dilute with my ramblings. Sorry, I can't say it better.
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what has Bay done that even comes close to comparing to the original StarWars trilogy?
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for myth, and they will take it in any form they can get it. They will even take it when Lucas craps it up because the memory of the original myth he created (flaws and all) resonated so profoundly. I have never seen so many people hope after being disappointed multiple times that he would get it right the next time, or decieve themselves into loving something because they wanted it to be good so badly. Transformers could've been a very good new myth, and these guys have completely ruined any chance of that.
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let's clarify, I don't agree that you can use the term "unrealistic" in the same way with ARMAGEDDON and STAR WARS (original trilogy). SW is unrealistic in that it is a SPACE FANTASY. ARMAGEDDON is unrealistic in that the characters act absurdly and the "science" of the movie is ridiculous. SW is a fairy tale about good versus evil. ARMAGEDDON is supposed to be a thriller/action movie about something that could actually happen to Earth.
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even when they are not very good, because they are repackaged myths.
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Yeah, above I actually said something very similar to what you wrote. The post, "As for the IROTJ" (I misspelled "ROTJ" in the subject heading) is my rambling take on the series. If you want to waste a couple of minutes, check it out.
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younger than Obi-Wan, but adults. There were also hints that Obi-Wan may have been interested in Amidala (or visa versa, can't remember which). Lucas then shifted everything making Amidala a teen and Anakin a kid with mother issues. He decided to make Vader sympathetic, instead of true to his nature and ruined one of the greatest cinematic villains (and his later redemption) of all time. I'm sure Lucas didn't want to retread the love triangle of the first film, but that was a whole lot more plausible than what he eventually gave us. He had an opportunity to retell the destruction of Camelot and blew it by deconstructing his own work.
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Mythology is the most accessible form of storytelling, all ages can relate to myths.
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agree with you more. The prequels had to end on a sad note, but it should've been Obi-Wan's fully developed note from an arc over three films, which would bridge to A New Hope, not some poorly tagged on duplication of scenes from ANH to tie the references together. In this case, there would've been nothing wrong with following the structure of the first 3 films with the prequels and having Luke be able to accomplish what Obi-Wan could not.
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Episode One is superfluous. Nothing happened in that movie that could not have been slipped in to some exposition in Episode II. And while I enjoyed Liam Neeson's presence in Ep. I, Qui Gon was an unneeded character as well. Originally, Obi Wan was older as well (which still bothers me how quickly he's supposed to age from Ep. III to IV) and there was no Qui Gon in the original concept. A love triangle may have forced some comparisons to the OT, but at least there would have been some more emotion to the deal.
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is the hero's journey and good vs. evil. Myths do not really benefit from moral ambiguity (a major feature of Post Modernism), which is exactly what Lucas brought to the table with his prequels. At the most, the prequels are comparable to the Matrix trilogy, which the brothers turned around and ruined in episodes II and III with their philosophical grab back and PoMo sensibilities. I am curious how audiences will recieve Pan's Labyrinth, for example, when it's being sold as a fantasy quest type film and Del Toro has already admitted it does not follow this structure and in fact most of the story takes place in the real world.
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Where Obi Wan tells Luke "I once thought as you did" about turning Vader back from the Dark Side. There's no scene in ROTS that shows me that. Obi and Yoda have a talk, and Obi goes off to kill his friend. If Obi disobeyed Yoda and tried to save his friend, and something sinister happened where Obi Wan let his guard down momentarily, only to be forced to maim Anakin (and not leave him for dead) that would have been interesting. And it would put more tension in Luke's crusade to save his father too, because you would have the memory of Obi's failed attempt hanging over Luke's efforts. Oh well, I'll always enjoy the OT regardless and I do enjoy elements of the prequels, but not in nearly the same way as the originals.
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most of the Jedi. I could never really put my finger on what they were all about, except for some nebulous ideas that sounded like a whole lot of bullshit to me (thanks to Lucas's grab bag). But he looked and sounded quite dashing, I will give Mr. Neeson credit for that. The prequels made me root for the Empire, sadly enough, because the "good guys" (and really, there were none save Obi-Wan) were such assholes. Kind of like watching Smallville and hoping that Lex will get around to offing Abercrombie Clark.
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First of all, to most of the people outside of AICN, they have no awareness of this movie. I've asked people if they heard anything about it and they're totally at a loss. I am curious to see it because I, like you, am still waiting to see a "great" del Toro movie. So far, close but no seegar.
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funeral. How nice of him to hog the limelight when someone else is being honored.
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That's just because I'm a jerk. And speaking of jerks, Michael Jackson should ask to be put in Transformers. He transforms from a black man to a white woman. To paraphrase a great script I read recently, he's definitely "more than meets the eye."
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We'd have to get rid of Han Solo in ESB and ROTJ
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Bustin the Princess' chops, saving her and the portable toasters from Vader on Hoth, piloting the Falcon through my personal favorite space battle of all time (the Asteroid chase). Nah, man, don't hate on Han. As for ROTJ, yeah, he was a prop more than a person.
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By talking about Michael Jackson, you're giving him the attention he desires. Don't feed the troll.
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I never really got the impression that Obi-Wan and Anakin were really friends from the prequels to begin with. Abercrombie Anakin never stood a chance of becoming the Dark Vader of the OT - he always seemed like a petulant child. If they had cast someone tall, imposing, and noble, and then had him be betrayed and give in to his hatred (like if King Arthur had decided to destroy Camelot upon learning of the betrayal of Lancelot and Guinevere) that would've been something. Anakin and Obi-Wan need not even have an affair, but merely the appearance of it.
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Where did you get your information concerning earlier drafts of Episode 1?
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days you never know. Chrth, Solo is not an extranous character, he is a classic character in the hero's journey who is won over by the hero and decides to join in the quest.
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Lucas went the boyband route. Who knew Mark Hamill's acting would be appreciated 30 years later? As for Obi, the rumors were that Kenneth Brannagh was in line for Obi, but Lucas made the character younger and took on Ewan instead.
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that were available in material released by Lucasfilm somewhere along the line. It's been so long that I wish I could say where they came from, but I'm not sure.
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Sorry, I must have slipped. Speaking of, has it been unusually quiet today?
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He was still unneeded.
*I can't believe people don't understand that the mess which was the prequel trilogies was born from the fanboys' worship of ESB. There are three important parts of ESB: Luke and Obi-Wan. Luke and Yoda. Luke and Vader. THAT'S IT. Everything else everyone goes gaga over is superfluous and unnecessary. To put it a different way: the asteroid chase scene is the pod race of ESB. -
Dude! Why cut me like that? You could just as easily say "all movies are superfluous-- all you need to live is eat, drink and sleep." Come on, at least the asteroid chase was part of the story's progression. The Pod race was a straight-up gimmick.
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But in terms of creating memorable characters that flesh out the world the hero inhabits, I can assure you, Han Solo is needed. For one thing, he demonstrates the goodness of Luke Skywalker that Solo does an about-face to join him in his quest.
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Foils for the protagonist and antagonist. And the asteroid scene was 3 minutes long, the pod race went on for 30 minutes I think...
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His Hero's journey essentially ends with his return in ANH. To put it differently, if Han Solo doesn't appear in ESB or ROTJ, is anything actually lost? I would say No.
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wrote the character. Amidala was more manly than Anakin.
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80 lbs of ineffective acting.
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You may have a point, chrth. Han Solo and Leia were completely unnecessary in ROTJ for sure. But to me Han Solo/Leia romance was one of the strongest parts of ESB. And of course, Solo undergoes a journey and complete transformation of his own.
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hero in ESB as Luke confronts his personal demons on Tattoine. Of course, he's not Luke, so he fails and requires the hero, who has been through the crucible and succeeded, to rescue him in ROTJ.
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Not Tatooine. Sorry, I had to geek police ya.
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Pretty much all of our criticisms of the PT are based on the non-basic stuff, or to put it slightly differently, the important stuff gets overshadowed by the excess. Thus when Anakin and Obi-Wan are chasing after Bounty Hunter Chick in AOTC, instead of getting a strong opportunity to explore their relationship, we get a few one-liners and an action scene. While Lucas could get away with that in ESB since the characters and their relationships were already established, he shouldn't have attempted that in AOTC because we didn't have established relationships yet and the characters were not fleshed out (with the possible exception of Obi-Wan, but still 10 years is a large amount of time).
So ESB is definitely to blame ... from a certain point of view.
As for Hayden, count me as one of the few people who thought he did a good job. Was it perfect? No. But I felt that he did an excellent job conveying his emotions when he wasn't speaking Lucas' dialogue. The scene where he bristles in the queen's chamber on Naboo is *classic*. -
You're saying ESB ruined SW because it was too good? If so, I agree with that statement- it raised expectations too high for the remainder of the series. But it did prove that the genre could be compelling when done correctly. As for Hayden, he improved vastly from AOTC to ROTS, but damn he was such a poorly conceived character. This whiner becomes the badass of the galaxy? Yeah, ok.
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I don't really see how one begets the other. Lucas's story and direction in AOTC are nowhere near as tight and balanced as ESB. In fact, it really has very little story structure, but rather video game sequences with bad dialogue in between. Lucas was enamoured with technology more than actors. He benefited from its limitations in the past.
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It was in the scene where Obi, Mace and Yoda are flying to the shipyards. Obi basically says "Anakin's moral compass is based on his sense of loyalty to those whom he loves, not to some code or rule of law." I thought that was an interesting statement, and one that could have been elaborated on in the movie. Anakin wants to be loved, so he becomes obsessed with his close relationships. When he feels betrayed, he becomes a monster. I think Anakin's powerlust was overplayed in ROTS. It makes him out to be a selfish brat.
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I still disagree. ESB setting the bar too high is not a bad thing. People would have forgiven much if the story and characters were compelling in the prequels. AOTC is so incredibly more overly/unnecessarily complicated than ESB in terms of story that it's ridiculous.
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The reason we don't have an emotional connection to the characters in AOTC is that TPM did nothing to establish those relationships. TPM is completely unnecessary. And Lucas goes right into the plot of AOTC without giving space for these characters to relate like they did in the original SW. ESB benefits tremendously from ANH. AOTC gets nothing from TPM.
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My beta-pal-o-mine!
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without a doubt. Lucas is not very good at having characters drive the story forward with dialogue, he wants to show everything. Anakin is not really portrayed as obsessive in a bad way because Lucas tries too hard to make him sympathetic. Instead of a "the best of intentions gone awry" he should've made Anakin aware and deliberate in the choices he made. He does at the end, but it doesn't ring true because he's so naive up until that point it's not believable. Vader never comes across as a dope like this in the OT, but rather brutal and calculating.
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Thats the one thing that was missing from the Prequel Trilogy, there were no light moments, no real likable characters. save for Obie Won and I know Gany was bagging on Ewan McGregor, when he had the best acting performance in the movie. Oh and Yack good work recognizing that great masterpiece of a script. And Armageddon has to be one of the worst movies I've ever seen They lost me by the second Aerosmith song.
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sense to me to even compare the two when Lucas isn't even capable of making an ESB left to his own devices. He wasn't even trying to make that movie, he was too busy deconstructing his own myth.
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been made.
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There was this poster over on TF.N back in the day called Binary_Sunset who condemned every. single. film. except the original Star Wars. He believed all of them betrayed the original.
Needless to say, we all thought he was nuts.
The more I studied the mythology of the movies, the more I realized he was on to something. There's a lot more "fluff" (read: action unnecessary to the core mythology) in ESB and ROTJ than there is in ANH--especially ESB. Yes, "I am your father" is extremely important. But besides that, what is the topic that people discussed from ESB?
Boba Fucking Fett. Three lines and his ass handed to him (thankfully) in ROTJ*.
Let me shift gears for a second. Everyone loved the first Matrix film. And everyone thought they loved it because not only did they dig the action sequences, but they were grooving to the mythology as well. But pretty much everyone was lying to themselves, which became self-evident with all the vitriol that erupted on Reloaded and Revolutions.
And why did that happen? Because the Wachowski Brothers put in *more* mythology**. They went past a simple hero's journey/Christ figure to something more profound (or convoluted, depending on your POV) that most people didn't get (and I'm one of them, trust me, I hated Revolutions until I finally found an essay that explained all the stuff I didn't understand). So without the mythology, all that was left was the action sequences, which, frankly, were not as good as the first film, and thus the sequels weren't as well-regarded.
By point in all this? People like to pretend they care about mythology in movie-making. They love talking about hero's journeys and what-not ... but when push comes to shove, most of the time they're lying their butts off (even if they don't realize it). And the easy way to find out if this is true?
Ask them if ESB is their favorite Star Wars film.
*I (shamefully) used to worship Boba Fett as well, thus I'm more vicious in my attacks on him than is necessary.
**Lucas, smartly, did not do this. He stuck with one theme for the entire OT. Sure, he threw in a loop here and there, but nothing along the lines of Mobil Station.
PS: I apologize for my tone, I realize it comes off as a little snarky. My intention is not to offend, just to illustrate my pov, and sadly it's impossible at this point for me to civil about it (since it's a battle I've been fighting for almost 10 years). -
Some have argued that one shouldn't need to have been a Philosophy/Religion major to understand the 2nd and 3rd film. And I agree wholeheartedly. The Wachowskis definitely did a bad job with that. But in the age of the Internet and DVDs with commentaries, people should be more forgiving and more willing to take the opportunity to try to discover something like that.
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well but it is not intentional. :) Thank you for explaining this, because I understand your point now. ESB added soap opera, which is what people really want. This is your point, no? However, I think this is too purist of a view because ESB develops characterization for Han Solo, Leia, Lando (who mirror's Han's journey) and makes them compelling characters as well as showing Luke's training and foreshadowing his confrontation with his father in the 3rd. The movie would not have been interesting with just the Dagobah sequence and not Cloud City. It also gave the hero another task to complete to demonstrate what a master he had become based on his trial by fire on Degobah. He fails to save Han creating the ultimate cliffhanger.
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The Matrix trilogy fails because there is not a consistent philosophy underlying the film, except for that there is none. Characters do not act consistently within their worldview, they act irrationally and break randomly into other philosophies that seem inconsistent. The OT did not have this problem, despite the Force and other Eastern motifs, the film is Western through and through. I agree with you that people should be more interested in the ideas that movies communicate and not be afraid to explore. That is one of the joys of moviegoing, except when it is bad, of course. Which is, like, all the time. ;)
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Please don't get me started on the EU
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Why can't *I* be a Jedi?
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My earlier comment was strictly regarding the OT, sorry, should've made that clear.
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and looked stupid on camera. The Jedi got the mystery sucked right out of them. What a bunch of toolboxes.
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and not killing him? Sort of perverse and not very friend-like.
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Lucas seems like he didn't like the OT at that point and wanted to remake what he created. Lucas is good at the big ideas, but in the finer details? Aye, aye, aye.
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The Biggest mistake Lucas made with the Prequal beside Jar-Jar was Directing them.
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Has Mr. Adventure finally caved in on INDY 4? Which script did they choose?
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Not that I am trying to give stoopider material or anything.
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Why do you ask (other than to give trolls material)?
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Both him and his father were meant to be real badasses. Yet they both die really easy. For me, the original star wars is the best - all subsequent films seem to go more and more downhill
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Sorry I missed that comment before. That's classic. YODA: Empty, the fridge is. Look at the door, opened with a lightsaber it was. OBI WAN: That means a Jedi raided our beer supply. Master! Whoever did this killed all the Yuenglings! YODA: Gone is our beer. Into exile, I must go.
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awhile, but think it might be a good creative outlet for me. There is free screenwriting templates on the internet, but was thinking of getting a program because they're so much easier and wanted recommendations that are less on the expensive side.
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No Final Draft or anything like that. I like formatting via Word because it adds some worthwhile time to the editing process. I basically get to re-read what I've written a few extra times. And I'm a patient person, so that mundane act of formatting is relaxing.
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"Kaboom!", "Meesa so happy to see yousa!", "Then you DO feel something?", "That's why I'm here!", "Magnificent, aren't they?", "You mentioned growth acceleration?", "I look forward to seeing them in action", "I hoped you'd be pleased", "Your presence is soothing", "You sure sprouted!", "What about Padme?" "It looks like she's already on top of things" THE END
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I don't trust Lucas anymore. Look at how long it took for him to get INDY 4 squared away and that's with one of the most talented directors of all-time. Lucas doesn't want to make films anymore. That sort of apathy needs to be kept away from classic characters.
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dropped the ball with king kong. me not so sure he is the answer to everything like most people think
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Just something you said the other day I wanted to mention: "And I realise Yack, BSB etc has been as guilty as you and Pharte." I agree that I did not help the situation, and I have since apologized for that behavior (and ceased to get into those exchanges). I think there's a difference between myself and a flame-baiting troll.
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and I have seen that you retracted and apologised. I know it can be`easy to get dragged into these situations. Its just annoying that a talkback is used for that type of thing and Stoopider and Pharte seem to take it to a whole new level. I like to talk aboout films. My knowledge isn't great and I don't get to see films too much at the cinema - geberally wait to see them on DVD or satellite - but I still prefer to pass my opinions on rather than get dragged into a name calling excercise. I have seen that you have do alot of talking about films (often more in depth than I can get) so no I don't see at the same level of flame baiting trolls but just sometimes get dragged into it.
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I concur
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BTW, I agree that Jackson dropped the ball with KING KONG, but there's some charm to that movie still, mostly due to Naomi Watts' performance I think. She's a classic beauty.
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I'm led to believe hasn't saved da vinci code - haven't seen it and the only temptation is Audrey Tattou. I fell in love during Amelie
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I never read the book, so I had no expectations. It wasn't terrible, Tattou was beautiful as ever, but sadly I found NATIONAL TREASURE to be a lot more fun to watch. DA VINCI took itself too seriously, but its still worth a look (cable tv)
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and it wasn't too bad. I sort of enjoyed the wacky religious theories. But I'm not sure if I have a problem with thrillers as a whole in books. I haven't read many at all but most of the ones I have read just seem to have the main characters fall from one bad situation to another within space of a couple of pages. Yeah I will watch it on cable. I'm in UK and just got the joy of Doom tonight. I wasn't expecting anything and it didn't deliver anything so it worked out quite well for me. Even the first person shooter scene didn't work for me.
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It was dumb and it was a flick, but not much fun. It did have that cute girl from DIE ANOTHER DAY in it (she played the blonde doctor in DOOM). But that movie could have been a lot better.
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really seen the girl before - not a fan of bond so missed that one - but she was definitely perky in Doom which gave the most amount of fun in the film. I can't believe The Rock didn't even bust out a few wrestling moves in the end fight. Obviously wasn't produced by Mcmahon like I think all his other films have been
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I'd say it was shot by Tony Scott. The camera is everywhere.
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That was classic.
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The best thing to come out of the prequels was the Clone Wars. It had the best action and character development in one 3 minutes snippet then the entire PT.
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Was me...when the movie ended and i left the theatre, clutching my sore ass wondering how George Lucas could rape my childhood in such a manner.Midichlorians. If ever you needed proof that George Lucas surrounds himself with 'YES' men, that's it.
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There was just nothing believable about any character's motivations or actions in those three films. The Jedi especially were just unbelievable. How could an order that stupid be knights of a Taco Bell, much less a galactic republic? Palpatine's plans may as well have come from Cobra Commander's desk drawer. Anakin's turn came on dime, which is exactly $.09 more than I would pay to ever see ROTS again.
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I'm watching this travesty of a Giants game right now. What a miserable bunch of bums. Eli stinks, period.
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was the only half decent thing to come from the prequels. It had very little dialogue which helped.
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Was that it utterly destroyed the Original Trilogy. How could they make so many blatant fuck ups and continuity issues? It's simply staggering.My biggest gripe though is that it ruins, what i consider, to be one of the greatest moments in cinematic history. When i was a wee lad, my dad used to big into collecting, buying, trading 16mm movies and equipment. We had a room all set up but to keep me entertained he'd regularly dig out a spare projector and play Empire Strikes Back for me, i remember he had a custom made spool to hold the entire film.(He might get into trouble here but he had a version of ESB that was downsized from 35mm to 16mm long before it hit cinemas in the UK; I was the most popular kid in school for some time). Anyway, i always remember seeing Empire for the first time and being completely blown away with the "I am your Father" line. It was undescribable. Now though, that scene is rendered worthless. Yes, some argue it's still harrowing for Luke, but it worked because it was a shock for the audience.As a result, it was my strict policy to ensure that my own son watched the Original trilogy BEFORE the new ones.
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The OT is so awesome in comparison, just be thankful for those movies. I don't have an emotional connection to the prequels, so I don't think about them too much. The originals are my childhood, and that doesn't change because a few new movies failed to meet the standard set in the series. They're movies! I think as a consumer, you can pick and choose what products you accept. When I watch the originals, I never see Alec Guinness and think "Man, I remember when he rode in a submarine with Jar Jar." Quite the opposite feeling comes to mind- I find myself thinking "Those prequels don't feel connected to these originals at all." I think we who do not appreciate the prequels can benefit from that kind of thinking.
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"I am your Father" was so completely and utterly shocking, easily a defining moment in this film lover's mind. It's not often, especially nowadays, that a movie can actually totally take me by surprise, and this was the first movie to do so in my (then) young life.
Wow, this conversation reminds of my days on Bob Brown's old Star Wars boards. Anyone else here get to enjoy his amazing article on the true interior layout of the Millenium Falcon? He's a professor (I believe) of some sort in Austrailia and he did all these really intricate analyses of many things Star Wars. One of the best Star Wars pages ever, and he shut it down because the Prequels pissed him off so much. Very sad. Google him, he's a Star Wars fan legend. -
It seems just a travesty that such a brilliant opportunity was so pointlessly wasted. George Lucas had what could be possibly be the greatest opportunity in Cinema to create ANOTHER classic trilogy and he blew it.I am of similar mind to you in that i really don't place any connection to the PT when i watch the classic; to me Guiness is Kenobi, not McGeggor, (no disrepect to him mind). To this day i still get goosebumps when i watch EpIV and see Kenobi's come over the hill, chasing the sand people away from Luke.I did convince myself for a while that the PT suffered because i had too high expectations but watching them again i realise they're just plain shit. For me, they don't really exist and everything that happened before A New Hope is a legend that i can picture in my own mind.
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I live in Philly and the Giants Just became "our way in." anyone know where that's from. I can't get too Optimistic. There's a ebb and flow to the eagles luck, the more cynical I get the better they do.
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burress with TD
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and theres one more dumb foul. Please tell Chris to shut up.
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I found the archive of the site you mentioned here: tp://tinyurl.com/ya9djg
When i first got into CG Modelling in 3DS i had aspirations of rendering Star Wars stuff. I bought an officially sanctioned book that, supposedly, had schematics for nearly every vehicle/machine in the game. What a crock of shit. That, had i known about it, would have been great although a bit too late. Cool site still. -
i cant believe this thread is still the strongest one on here...i cant even find the last place i left off reading
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AARRGGHH
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i was catching up on the thread and i saw stooop reply to u in a matter of seconds...wonder if he's here right now....waiting...
and SW discussions seeing as how i love the OT and i guess deal with the PT (hell, i have 2 boba tats...sorry chrth ;P lol) i agree that the biggest problem with the new movies is how you just dont care about anyone like you did about luke, leia or han...padme is padMEH to me...obi kicks ass and is the exception to the problem and anakin is just too fucking whiney and just reminds me of a fratboy...and was i the only one who expected mace to whip out a .45 at some point? -
People who use more than one screenname are lame.
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that a new sn would help...he wouldnt be hard to find out...he would go after the same ppl claiming to have "pwn3d" them and give himself away, especially when he would apologize moments later. speaking of 2007...new years is gonna be a bitch...i'm on day 11 of my drinking binge...been pretty sweet except for the fact that i have to wear sunglasses all day and i have a sudden urge to beat my kids :P lol
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no...that would be too cruel. they dont really mind the PT too much but they watch the OT quite a bit. its just what i was talking about...they just dont care about the characters.
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for sure. if i was him i'd be pissed lucas wasted me for 3 films and didnt even give me a good payoff...fuck even his death was weak...when he was screaming he didnt even seem like he gave a shit anymore
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TNG message boards/chats and say Captain Picard sucks and that Kirk is the best Captain in Trek history. I was right, of course, but that is besides the point. This was many, many years ago, keep in mind. :)
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On the One hand I get to curse up a storm stray way off-topic on the other hand we have to deal with trolls alot longer then any other Message board.
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Where do you think they went wrong with the movies. I think when it came to TNG I figured sooner or later they would be serialized instead of random crap. The show left so many loose ends; Wesley Crusher, Those parasites that took over the federation, Then they ended it by killing Data and replacing him with Tardbot.
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back. Like, 10 years ago when I used to razz those Trekkies. I don't hang out on ST boards except for G1 Spock Market on the weekends sometimes. Phate, as far as I'm concerned, TNG is when ST went wrong.
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That's why they post lots of non-news on TF because people are so polarized about it.
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TNG is to ST:TOS as Casino Royal is to James bond. The TOS was 70's action fair. and after Pt. IV the movie started sucking hardcore. Kikrk came off as William Shatner's impersonation of John Wayne. Where Picard came off as the best Starfleet captain in the fleet. I mean who laughs off a knife through the chest as a kid? OK rant over.
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but they miss some of the good (or bad depending on how you look at it) stuff They missed. Like the Ratchet concept. http://tinyurl.com/tjlt2
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TNG is to Star Trek as Smallville is to Superman.
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i was pretty young when TNG hit the air and maybe thats why i actually liked it. i had never seen TOS but knew the characters. to this day its hard for me to watch the originals (altho i would like to check out the remastered eps u mentioned, yack) but i can usually zone out to a good ep of TNG. my problem with trek is that every alien looks human and speaks english, lol.
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brokeback too, bsb...havnt seem him around much. but i was happy to see the return of Total Fucking Destruction on here, lol...always cracks me up
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Where star trek went wrong was Deep Space 9. Until then, everything was right in the world for them. And then came along DS9, Voyager, Enterprise, the TNG movies, and the Star Wars Prequels, Matrix films, and LOTR, all of which killed Star Trek.
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i guess i have seen a few attempted "aliens" made out of paper-matche (sp?) in TOS.
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DS9 was horrid...absolutely horrible. killed Trek for me and havnt watched any new series since
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I was pretty happy to see Total Fucking Destruction, as well. And you guys are absolutely right--quite a few of the regs around here have an alternte troll persona that lurks within these threads. I didnt come here till 2003, where I was known as Midnight Rambler, but I've heard of some particularly nasty trolls from when this site first arrived, of which many, no doubt, are or were the mods themselves. The first realy good troll I saw, if i remember correctly, was Ringwearer9. That guy really knew how to piss off Mcweeney.
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Hey thanks for finding the archive of B-squared. I was looking for it too but came up empty.
Funny how things go, I too did much of my early 3D work creating Star Wars models, but I started working in Disney's Stunt Island which got me interested in animation and modelling. If anyone here knows what Stunt Island is then you get a cookie! Great game, WAY before it's time and sadly dropped by Disney right after the game won every damn industry award the year it came out. -
watch Trek reruns late night when I had to go to school the next day, so the deal was my parents let me tape them and watch them on the weekends. Then I went to the library and got my hands on every James Blish adaptation of the series. My mom was also a ST fan, but not a lunatic like me. We then watched TNG together when it came out which we loved because 1) it was Trek and 2) because of Patrick Stewart. But now when I go back and watch those eppies, I realize that Picard sort of sucks and the show is nothing more than a glorified soap opera which doesn't have the intelligent philosophical ideas of the OS. It's also dishonest about human nature in general in attempting to push the writers' socio-political commentary. I realize that is a political discussion in and of itself, and that the first show did this, I just thought it did it better and more honestly. It also limited the soap opera and did not treat it in such a serialized manner.
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Dont kid yourself--not all of us our suckers. Personally, I think you could do a lot worse in life than aspire to fill his shoes, BSB;)
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Dont kid yourself--not all of us are suckers. Personally, I think you could do a lot worse in life than aspire to fill his shoes, BSB;)
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Dont kid yourself--not all of us are suckers. Personally, I think you could do a lot worse in life than aspire to fill his shoes, BSB;)
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for the spelling correction. almost spelt it like that, lol. and yeah i know the original series is fun and i'm in no way saying its bad. like i said, i'm kinda young (22) and TOS was a bit b4 my time. and yeah, i'd take Spock over fucking Data anyday.
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I went to click "post" and boom! Click, click, clickity-click.
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Your power of multi-post are impressive, most impressive.
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to have the butch security chief Yar have sex with the innocent Pinocchio robot? Do you think the writer giggled when he wrote, "I am fully functional and programmed in a variety of blah, blah, blah."? I believe it was the SECOND episode, not to mention, they were ripping off an OS eppy.
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I mean, way back when I was midnight rambler, because I dont recall seeing you back then. How long have I been posting as moondoggy? Has it been a year or has it been 2?
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i too have heared the rumors and remember ppl calling you that when u came on the boards. took me a while to join the TBs on here. i was like yack and had just come on to read news and browse TBs for flame wars to entertain me while i was in school. oh and superninja, i totally agree with u regarding the NG series as a sci fi soap opera in retrospect
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If I taught you my powers I would no longer be special.
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If I taught you my powers I would no longer be special.
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If I taught you my powers I would no longer be special.
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That's all I'm saying. There is, of course, the occassional exceptional episode.
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I think a lot of people think I'm a troll just because of my screenname, and of course I admit it's silly and childish. In fact Childe Roland has never responded to any post I've directed at him/her. LOL
Truth is the name came out of my desire to find a funny name for on-line multiplayer games. You know the part when the game says "You got fragged by (someone)!", well I wanted a name that would be like the last thing anyone would ever want to get killed by, several silly names later and this one stuck. Now I have so many on-line friends that know me by this name I'm pretty much stuck with it. -
wonder if Harry sees ur name on the boards and shakes his head...or cries, thinking its aimed at him
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1) I barely have enough time to post normal posts as it is. 2)At best, all you will do is get banned and the evidence of your conquests will have been erased forever. 3)The way my schedule is, people would easily deduce that the damned troll would only appear when I came on, which is like in between semesters.
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That comment alone made me laugh so hard I nearly peed.
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good TNG episodes...anyone remember the one where something that looked like a big fucking snake was growing inside some guy, and they shot him in the stomach with their phasers and he popped open and there was a pool of guts inside him and the snake thing popped out of the guts and they had to shoot him again?....anyways that image has been stuck in my head ever since i saw it. damn looks like a 9 year old wrote this post lol
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I'm guessing they can't or don't believe in IP bans, just look at that cockgobbler that keeps pimping his shit film. UGGHH!!
I'm glad some of you like my screeny at least. The line I get frequentely is "I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I agree with Hairy Nutsack." Now that's comedy gold! -
That episode was during the first season of ST: TNG. Heck, it might have even been their season climax, but I'm not too sure. It dealt with alien infiltrators among the federation's highest seats of power. I think the name of the episode was infiltration or something. Its been a very, very, VERY long time since I've seen that episode. Heck, at least 14 or 15 years or so.
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live another lifetime because of an alien probe and learns to play the flute. Which made him look like a bigger wuss, but it was poignant. Really couldn't stand the actress that played Troi, but she was excellent as Demona in Disney's Gargoyle's cartoon, so all is forgiven. Actually, all of TNG cast was excellent on that show.
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omfg Hairy, have u actually watched that film? i tried to out of curiosity. fuck me i made it like 3 minutes in and then started to just scan it...words cannot describe how terrible that thing is. and i bet u anything they thought they were gonna have some cult underground favorite...somemthing that would launch their careers into the stratosphere. i especially wanted to punch the fat kid in the throat.
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was watching one of the federation guys eat a handful of worms--live. Later, Picard and RIker both phaser the shit out of one of the fed/alien guys and blow off the top of his body, leaving an alien snake thing in his stomach cavity. Pretty gory for its time. And with this post, I acknowledge my past history as a closet trekie.
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ur right...i do remember it being called something like "Infiltration" i always thought the guys open torso with that brown pool of vomit-looking guts was some graphic TV. wow, didnt know it went as far back as 1st season...means im remembering something from when i was 6-7...shows what my priorities are, i guess
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well, i guess my memory is still going strong, huh? Yeah, it was a pretty tough episode for the kiddies.
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think im gonna have to try to find that ep. for download...gotta see if that finale is as cool as i remember
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action in it! But that was pretty hardcore gore for Trek.
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I've managed to avoid watching it thanks to the constant warnings by the TB faithful. What pisses me off is when I get duped and follow his link, as soon as I see the blank screen I fly to the red X, but....GRRRRR!
LMAO Yack, never thought about it being trool proof, but I guess that rings true when you look at how stoopider didn't even try. LOLOLOL
Actually that brings something up, I have to admit I was pissed when both Pharty and stoopid suggested we were just Yack's minions following our exalted leader, not that Yack doesn't deserve minions and all ;) but because I REALLY hate being accused of not thinking for myself. I'm not a 14 year old internet crybaby, I'm a 37 year old internet crybaby, and I've been changing my own diapers for years now. -
when youre a kid, you will be almost guaranteed to be having reacurring dreams/nightmares about that stuff for the rest of your life. I still get nightmares about mannequins coming to life and shopping for a day. Still gives me the willies to this day.
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Happy New years :)
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mannequins can be a bit creepy. i wouldnt worry too much tho...they have a limited range of motion...it would be like being attacked by a giant Mcfarlane action figure
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Happy New Year to ya, Yack! :)
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When I got into it with Pharte, the best he could do with is accuse me of not being qualified to distinguish between good plots and bad plots. I'm still stinging from his ability to generate random and unrelated curse words and insults, such as,"You teachears are all the same! You pony fuck your wives to pay your bookie's heroine bill." I swear to G-d, I think PHartegod must work as a writer for Family Guy.
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wants ppl to pay attention to him...he's a poor lost child who's only human physical contact is from his mother as he sponge-bathes her and his father after too much Wild Turkey. he wants to be loved..a giver rather than a reciever ;)
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When I was like 5 years old I watched an old B&W movie called The Hand. Dude got murdered and dismembered and his hand went around stalking his killers and choking them to death. The scene that stuck with me was a guy getting grabbed from under his bed.
Fast forward a few years later and one night I reached under my pillow and found my own cold, dead hand that was asleep under my pillow. Hysterical screaming and crying ensued!
32 years later I still have the urge to jump into bed from about 4 feet away so that damn hand can't grab me! -
which they are, of course, but i was referring to this very famous episode of The Twilight Zone. I forget the title, but it shows a woman being stalked by a couple who appear to have plastic like hands. Turns out she is a mannequin with only one day to live and she spends her time shopping. They then turn her into a mannequin and she just stands there to this day. I forget the title and it has been at least a couple of decades since I've seen that episode, so if I've gotten anything wrong on that episode, please forgive me.
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that episode of TNG aired when i was 4...my mother must have given me some kick-ass Flinstone vitamins or something
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remember that those things were airing in reruns and syndication since the end of the very first season. Half TNG's ratings came from repeat viewers.
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and to all, a good hangover.
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I still remember watching her when she shopped, noticing that there were some very odd people giving her odd looks. It was a freaky, freaky episode. I honestly dont think there was a more creepy episode than that.
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ok moondoggy i got ya. jesus, you'd think that with all the Twilight Zone marathons ive watch on SciFi i'd have gotten that reference. sounds cool tho.
i used to be terrified of Miss Piggy in the scene from The Muppet Movie when she's pacing in her jail cell and then suddenly stops and looks at the camera and screams :( gave me nightmares lol -
Yeah, I suppose that could be scary--maybe.
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sooooooooooo....happy new years to you all :)
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Tommorrow we're all going to have to list the scariest twilight zone/outer limit/night gallery/alfred hitchock presents episodes and compare. I'm willing to bet that the mannequin episode comes out on a lot of people's lists.
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g'night!
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when ur 3 or so lol :P
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ooooooooooooo, creepy. Still, the funniest episode of Twilight Zone is "To Serve Man."
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Cuz mine says December 30th. LOL
Anyway, if I'm not around on the 1st then Happy New Year everyone. Drink and be merry, but don't fucking drive so we can continue to slay trolls in the coming year! And if you do drive then I hope you get pulled over so that A) you don't get killed or kill someone else, and B) because drunk drivers deserve an Iraqi impeachment, and/or TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION!! -
The original one is the one that gave me nightmares. However, I've seen the eighties remix version and its probably even scarier than the first. Were I kid when I watched the remake, I'm quite sure I'd have been scarred for life.
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12 am PST on FMC.
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Hello gents. I can't believe this Talkback is still kicking. And the discussion of past Trolls is most interesting...Ah yes, the BringingSexyBack/brokebackcowboy Conundrum. I know I shouldn't comment on this but what the hell:I still believe BringingSexyBack is brokebackcowboy. (I know, it's crazy, BSB!) But your comments above regarding BBCB made me LAUGH OUT LOUD. It wasn't all that long ago when you claimed complete ignorance of BBCB. And now I find you have sudden newfound praise for him and theories on his behavior and the TBs he would frequent. How could you speak so glowingly of someone you never saw before? There is definitely something to be read between the lines here. ;-)Don't worry, I'm not gonna bust your balls on this one. It's not really a bone of contention with me anymore. I would say we've made progress. (Although, it would delight me to now end if you came clean once and for all. Call it a New Year's resolution. Ha Ha!)Yackbacker - I too remember some of your furious exchanges with BBCB. You should hit me up in the Zone if you want a good story.As for zfisk/homewrecker, he was/is one of the most loathsome Trolls to ever grace these boards. He is certifiably batshit insane. And as far as I know, zfisk is still with us; he was never banned under that name. But if he is/was operating under a new name, we'd know it. No one spelled as poorly as that guy. :-)
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Happy New Year to everyone. Raise ye glass, lads!!! Cheers!!!
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I can't answer for everyone else, but lets see, some of us actually have lives, such as myself, and this is one way we like to wind down. Again, you like getting shitfaced, I like talking among others--thats just how I roll;) Furthermore, I'd say you are the one who needs to get laid, pal, because you seem completely pent up with negativity and complaints about what others are enjoying amongst themselves. AS for me, my wife and I have been like two rabbits that have escaped from prison--talking amongst you all is one of my few moments i've been having to myself!
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true internet shut-in if there ever was one. Hey, wait, Mr. Nice Gaius--arent you and I the same person? ;)
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We adults spend time talking about what is basically inane crap on the internet because much of the rest of our lives is spent full of responsibility and stress.
For me it's the pressures of college fulltime plus a wife and two kids. We just had our daughter the day before Thanksgiving, and anyone who's had kids knows what a joy 3am feedings and diaper changes can be right? -
Getting...bloated
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...for an Inhumanoids movie. ::: shrug ::: I know, I know...I have quite a wait. Unless they make a Cthulhu flick. Inhumanoids, Cthulhu. All the same thing. Minus a fat guy with an eyepatch.
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Can he ever post again and be taken seriously??
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And Damn you Michael Bay.
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Don Murphy pwns teh suc...
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That's all I got. I got nothing.
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than you were as BBC. Nice tightrope, sir. And yeah, Hairy, I can empathize; I'm over 40 with two daughters and a son. Granted, I've never had to deal with babies on account of my marying into the family, so to speak, but I can completely understand. What's your major, Hairy?
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My Major is Digital Entertainment & Game Design.
My first 2 years in college had me stuck in a ridiculous pre-requisite, Computer Aided Drafting & Design, Now in my 3rd year, and halfway through my Bachelor's program, I'm studying filmmaking, animation, 3D modelling, Flash programming, and all things related to game design. Honestly it's more writing than anything, and I wish it focused more on using the tools of the trade rather than talking and writing about them. It's the same old song & dance, the teachers talk your ear off and you want more practical experience and less FUCKING theory!!.
I'm having a whole helluva lot more fun studying Digital Entertainment than I was in my previous 15 years in drywall construction though! Turns out I'm a pretty damn good student too, still maintaining my 4.0 after 3 years of study. Of course being a fulltime student and not working, well what excuse do I have to not excel? And I'm pretty sure my wife would kick my ass if I did otherwise. -
now I'm going to puke.
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Ahh, the smell of a clean year!!!
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Where was moneypenny and Q ?
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I hadn't seen these two before, so forgive me if someone posted them already. Stick with the second one, it begins lamely but it goes after Donny big time by the end.
http://tinyurl.com/yn2cvf
http://tinyurl.com/yhg6pj
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sigh...they finally sounded the death toll for this thread...it was a good one. if only stooop was here...i'm sure he would say...
I'M SORRY
...douchebag
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