Dec. 22, 2006, 12:41 a.m. CST
This is the one you want to watch.... Getting the Christmas special too are you ?
Dec. 22, 2006, 12:41 a.m. CST
Cool, I've never been first on one of these talkback forums before... Anyway, this new chick coming in to replace Billie Piper better not suck.... Anyone know when SciFi'll start the 3.x episodes? Also, I could've sworn talk of a Rose spinoff was not only dead in the water, but the worst TV spinoff idea since Flavor of Love.....
Dec. 22, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST
I really enjoyed this episode... even if flying Daleks equal nipples on Optimus Prime. Please don't let the next season suck.
Dec. 22, 2006, 5:06 a.m. CST
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cZI8VQwU4 Go on, have a look. You know you want to ...
Dec. 22, 2006, 5:25 a.m. CST
I was nearly crying at the end when Will and Lyra said their final goodbyes to each other before returning to their seperate universes forever. *Sniff*
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST
Since this is a Dr. Who talkback I think it's pretty safe to assume that the people in here are fans. I have to ask the fans a question. I saw one episode on SciFi (there was something about a guy who was posessed by some ancient evil, and alien slaves who communicated telepathically adn revolted), and it seemed like they had spent about $12 to produce the episode. The dialog seemed pretty snappy, and I'm not saying that it was terrible, but it seemed pretty cheap. Are people just starved for sci-fi shows, or is this really a good show? I know the kind of heat I'm begging to have brought down on me by asking a question like that here, but I just have to know.
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST
The episodes set in the past or the present aren't too bad, but the set designs for the futuristic episodes are rather on the crap side. You learn to live with it after a while. As for the quality of the stories, it depends on the writer. I would give any episode written by Russell T Davies a wide berth. He used to be one of the UK's best TV writers a few years ago before he developed an ego the size of Saturn. He now seems content to churn out any old self indulgent tosh. You can't really go wrong with any of the episodes done by the other writers though. They are all humble enough to except criticisms and suggestions on how to improve their scripts, and this shows in the final product.
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:42 a.m. CST
Not bad at all. Very good light entertainment. Would really love to see if they bring another "Deela." Then again, I am dating myself.
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST
the episode in question was a 2-parter called the impossible planet/the satan pit and the premise was basically they land on a planet somehow stuck into the well of a black hole and a team of earth scientists are trying to unearth a immense power source.Unbeknownst to them that power source was the actual satan...or the thing behind the myth of satan more acurately...and believe it or not it was one of the better episodes of this series..though every1 liked eccleson as the doctor much better than tennat who plays him now...and to enjoy the show you gotta understand that it is cheesy and to a certain extent i believe it is supposed to be. It has a certain tongue in cheek asethetic. It helps alot if you are familiar with the old WHO show..i dig it..i really do..but it's on the second tier of my viewing heirarchy below...battlestar galactica,LOST,Heroes,The Wire,House,The Office,Earl,etc...SO give it a shot..but don't go into it with high hopes of seeing 2001ish realism..take it for what it is..l8r...crescent fresh
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST
Pretty good episode...until you realise this is the guy that made Caves of Androzani and Revelation of the Daleks 20 years ago, two of the best pieces of television ever.
Dec. 22, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST
by Boba Fat
It's not about the cost, it's about the story. Suspension of disbelief. Dr who is probably one of the most expensive shows on Brit TV at the moment and the story you mentioned will have had a large budget. If you can't get past some of the FX work or can't enjoy it without comparing it to something else then it's not the show for you, but I think you're missing out on some unique sci-fi
Dec. 22, 2006, 1:32 p.m. CST
I fully expected to be blasted for ripping a bit on what I understand is a pretty damn popular shows among fanboy circles. From the bit that I saw I will say that it didn't seem bad, but the fact that it's on SciFi and so cheaply made it was admittedly difficult for me to separate it from the rest of the crap SciFi produces. I'd honestly give it another try, but my wife would probably laugh me out of the room. So what's the show about? I'm far too young to have seen the original, and from 30 - 40 minutes of one episode I didn't really get much of an idea of what the show as a whole is about.
Dec. 22, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST
Apart from a horribly awkward GHOSTBUSTERS reference and the Daleks making the non-Mondasian Cybermen their bitches far too easily for my liking, "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday" is a solid two-parter. <p>The ending scene on the beach isn't nearly as weepy as some would have you believe, but it does provide a decent closure to Rose's era. As a bonus, you get to check out the smoking-hot Freema Agyeman, the new companion Martha Jones, albeit as a completely different character. For anyone who has a problem with using the same actress for two separate roles, well, it worked for Colin Baker.</p>
Dec. 22, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST
The idea of the Cybermen and Daleks facing off against each other is too big for the show. All we end up with is a couple of shots of them blasting each other when if this was in a film it would be a HUGE battle. But let's just put this into perspective. It's a family show and has one of the biggest budgets (if not THE biggest budget) for a TV show in the UK. Saying things are being done too cheap is no good because there's nothing that can be done about it. The BBC already throw so much money at it. Effects have never been used at this level on British TV (only on something like 'Walking With Dinosaurs'), they're damn good for a TV show. Galactica uses the same CG models every week (pretty much) and most of the show is shot on the same sets or same trees in a Canadian forest, whereas Doctor Who has to try and make things different each week. Going from a Victorian Scottish manor to a modern day school to a 50th Century spaceship with clockwork robots to an alt-Earth with Cybermen to 1950s London to a planet 'orbiting' a black hole. Yes sometimes things have the whole thrown-together vibe and the dialogue is ridiculous, but that's what the show is. It isn't about moody characters frakking each other.
Dec. 22, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST
...which actually WERE made for $12. Seriously, that's part of the charm. You know why that alien looks like a Jello mold with a lightbulb in it? Because it WAS a Jello mold with a lightbulb in it.
Dec. 22, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST
we'll leave you to the american version of The Office, Friends, SG and another series of 24.
Dec. 22, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST
Now, I know I'm the only person who _didn't_ know they were the big surprise but, sheesh, it would have been nice if the SciFi channel didn't trumpet it in the teaser before the episode aired. I would have jumped through the roof (I love those little guys). I'm sure they were too busy to care, trying to figure out what cheesy song to play over the ads for next year's Battlestar Galactica.
Dec. 22, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST
But I am a girl, so it's OK. Tonagan - I know what you mean about that cheesy song playing on the BSG promo. Are they going after teenage girls as their new demographic?
Dec. 22, 2006, 11:54 p.m. CST
...I'm sure they'll take your feedback on board. "Worthy of your attention", how important do you consider yourself? Don't bother responding, nobody cares
Dec. 23, 2006, 12:19 a.m. CST
The Doctors plan should have only been partly successful. All of the Cybermen who were created after coming through the void would NOT have had any void material on them, so they would not have been sucked back into the void.
Dec. 23, 2006, 12:22 a.m. CST
Don't know what the fuss is about. Both countries produce it's fair share of great TV and more than it's fair share of crap as well. Of course, I do completely blame the UK for giving us Simon Cowell. LOL
Dec. 23, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
They left the appearance of The Runaway Bride in at the end of the episode, but AFAIK there are no plans to show the 2006 Xmas Special. A good way to confuse the US fans, Sci-Fi!
Dec. 23, 2006, 1:04 a.m. CST
the BAFTA & Hugo winning Doctor Who is no Angel, no.
Dec. 23, 2006, 5:54 a.m. CST
The issue of some "Cybermen" being left behind appears in a Torchwood story.
Dec. 23, 2006, 6:39 a.m. CST
So maybe you all need to try harder. I grew up on Doctor Who imports in the '70s (pre-Star Wars, mind you, so that was my sci-fi fix), and I like (not love) the new ones. You like it or you don't. All I know is, I really want some friggin' multicolored Dalek toys now.
Dec. 23, 2006, 7:42 a.m. CST
Give me a break. American television is so popular in the UK, there are plans--and there may already be--a channel to exclusively air American imports. Note we rarely import your shows. we rework them the way we want them.
Dec. 23, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST
"The issue of some "Cybermen" being left behind appears in a Torchwood story"...What about the boss lady that became a Cyberman? She seemed to still have some free will. They followup on her or did she blow her own brains out after wasting the Cybermen on the staircase?
Dec. 23, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Was it odd? Yes. But it made such an impression on viewers that debate about it is still raging almost a year later. You don't see reaction like that from most US shows.
Dec. 23, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST
The only people I know who are still talking about it are Doctor Who fans. To most ordinary, well-adjusted people it was just an embarrassing, juvenile pile of old clap-trap best forgotten.
Dec. 23, 2006, 11:26 a.m. CST
There are the SciFi fans, who want the explosions and the FX. For them, Dr. Who doesn't offfer much, nor would the original Trek series or any number of old, "cheesy looking" films and tv shows. Then there are the SF fans, who are interested in the stories and ideas. For them, Dr. Who offers ideas, imagination, and quirky humor and they are perfectly comfortable watching those old cheesy programs so long as the ideas remain fresh.
Dec. 23, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST
From Outpost Gallifrey: <p>"The American cable network Sci Fi Channel has announced that they have secured the rights to air Series Three starting in the summer of 2007, according to a note on their Doctor Who page. Sci Fi completing the airing of Series Two with the double-bill of "Army of Ghosts" and "Doomsday" last night. Series Three will air on the BBC in the UK this coming Spring; if this plan by Sci Fi in the US holds, it will be the earliest turnaround of episode broadcasts since the start of the new series (series one having taken a full year; series two, six months)."</p> <p>Oh, and most DOCTOR WHO fans know that "Love & Monsters" is crap, which is why they that episode and "Fear Her" ended up right at the bottom of this year's DOCTOR WHO MAGAZINE poll. Thus endeth the lesson.</p>
Dec. 23, 2006, 12:54 p.m. CST
by SPECTRE Agent
If the Doctor is so lonley but can travel through time, can't he just meet his fellow Time Lords in different eras? Presumably they have travelled to every historical era. Time travel sort of makes death irrelavent ala Slaugterhouse 5.
Dec. 23, 2006, 12:59 p.m. CST
How could they so blatently lift plot elements from Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials books? The "ghosts" from another dimension that slip through cracks in the universe, 3D glasses substituting for the amber spyglass, 2 lovers trapped on parallel Earths... Finkelstone up there knows what I'm talking about.
Dec. 23, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST
by "re-working" do you actually mean ripping the soul and originality out of something. look at the 1996 Doctor Who TVM, if that's the way you wanted it i'm bloody glad it didn't take off. or The Office remake, it's so shit that the BBC only aired the first series and now it airs on ITV2 late night. and yes, i'm ashamed to say that channel 5 has a station dedicated to american imports. they should just rename it: CSI, NCIS, Law and order and talkshows. thanks for nothing america.
Dec. 23, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST
Thank God! I only wish BBC had done likewise! Way to screw up an emotional climax with those shrill hysterics!.... oh, and as for the question of the Boss Lady who was converted to a Cyberman. (spoiler alert) she's not the one in Torchwood, but another Torchwood employee is a half-Cyber-conversion, who retains some of her own individuality and some cyber-programming. In both cases, i attribute the willpower they have to resist cyber-domination to a line in that two-part Cyberman/Daleks finale about Torchwood employees having psychic training.
Dec. 23, 2006, 4:12 p.m. CST
You either like, or predisposed to like Doctor Who, or you don't. A great deal of the charm of the current series is based on what the old series meant to people. Yes, at its worst it's cheesy and wince-inducing. But there are so many things to like about it, and seeing it done with a larger budget and with reverance is something to see. The emotion seen between Rose and the Doctor, while it has some fans quite upset, I think it has takent he series to a higher level. .......And as far as the worst episode......."Fear Her" is damn near unwatchable, while "Love & Monsters" has several things to like about it. Offical "Love & Monsters" flame war to follow immediately.
Dec. 23, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST
So many people were laying hate on Love & Monsters, when i found Fear Her to be much, much worse. Overall I've really enjoyed the two new series, with a predisposition towards David Tennant because he's so engaging.
Dec. 23, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST
All the Timelords and All the Daleks (except for the many that amazingly appear) have been destroyed in a war that the Doctor started and survived. Eccleston showed much more survivors guilt that Tennant does. The giant head told the doctor he had a secret to tell him when they saw each other again. I'm pretty sure it is about the Timelords surviving. But even then Romana from way back in Tom Baker days was left in another dimension so she should still be alive.
Dec. 23, 2006, 6 p.m. CST
The Time Lords were more likely erased than simply killed, along with the Daleks, although we know there is an army of them in the void. Anyway, even a Time Lord not in the vacinity of the war may have been erased, probably in a fashion similar to the attempt to avert the creation of the Daleks in Genisis. We really haven't been given enough information to know exactly what happened. They seem to imply they were erased, but they seem to have a reputation in the universe, which would indicate they weren't completely erased. If the series goes on long enough, they'll be back, even if it happens after RTD is gone.
Dec. 23, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
That's why vanilla is the most popular flavor, the majority want it plain with no surprises. Which is why popular doesn't equal quality or sophistication.
Dec. 23, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST
It was like they (the Doctor Who folks) were slapping you in the face while shouting "Snap out of it!" I'm still trying to decide if that was a bold decision or a really crappy one.
Dec. 24, 2006, 3:33 a.m. CST
I'm a longtime Doctor Who fan, but I didn't hate "Love and Monsters" nor "Fear Her". While I'll admit they aren't among the best of the best, I appreciate them for what they are. "Love and Monsters" was just an attempt to tell a Doctor Who story from the perspective of one of the many 'minor' characters The Doctor encounters. I liked that angle, although I admit the story could use some polishing. As for "Fear Her", I accept this episode as being Rose's true farewell episode. This is completely her story. She is the hero of the day and The Doctor (and the world) would have been finished without her. Again, it could have used some polishing, but it wasn't that bad. The only episode that I really, REALLY didn't like was "The Idiot's Lantern". I felt it was too long and drawn out. It just didn't capture my attention as much as an average episode of Doctor Who usually does.
Dec. 24, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST
Naomi Ryan! Better known as "Lehann" from *Mile High*. She can act, she's beautiful, and oh what a body she has. Needless to say, maybe the producers can be convinced to bring her aboard for an episode...maybe as a relative of Freema's character "Martha". Hear me now, RTD (and waiting-in-the-wings Steve Moffat), I want Jemima Rooper on the show! And a friggin' flashback with Paul McGann wouldn't hurt either. :)
Dec. 24, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST
With a fadeout of The Doctor flipping the controls on the Tardis console. Granted, that would have been a somber ending, although not as much of a downer as *Earthshock* was. I would like that ending. Then show the recap of that with the first appearance of the "Runaway Bride" in the teaser intro to the next episode. I hope they can recut that for a future release. Then again, the show is always about the next adventure, so maybe that's why it was left in...
Dec. 24, 2006, 11:34 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Apparently Sci-Fi Channel will be showing last year's Xmas Special during their Xmas day movie marathon this year. Which means US viewers won't see The Runaway Bride until Xmas 2007. FTW?!
Dec. 24, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST
The thing you have to remember is that unlike Battlestar Galactica, or even largely the Star Trek episodes is that every episode has a new setting and a new cast except for the doctor, the companion and the tardis. So other shows save by building some really good sets and using them over and over -- like the bridge of Star Trek or the corridors. In Doctor Who, if they want to do something as easy as walking down a hallway they have to think about what do they want the hallway to look like, not make it look like other hallways in other episodes, etc. Of course by having so many episodes take place on Earth and with Rose's family they got around that, but that still means that every other episode has to have entirely new sets. So even if they spent the same amount of money on each episode that say Battlestar did, it still wouldn't be enough because Who has to spend money that Battlestar doesn't.<br><br> Regarding the Christmas episode, I'm pretty sure that SciFi just showed the Christmas Special as the first episode of Season 2 when they started airing season 2, so I would imagine they will do that with the Runnaway Bride as well.
Dec. 24, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST
If they ever shoot a live action take of "The Banana Splits", they should cast Billy as Bingo.
Dec. 24, 2006, 3:02 p.m. CST
I love the character of Rose and the job Billie Piper did playing her, but the Banana Splits reference is spot on. She definitely started hitting the snacks tray the day Eccleston left the show.
Dec. 25, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST
I remember SciFi ran last year's Xmas episode as the "season premiere" of Series 2 a few months back... I'd have to guess they do the same, tacking 2006's Xmas show onto the start of Series 3 next summer.
Dec. 25, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST
This is upon reflection of watching the 1996 tv movie last night with a friend who had not seen it before. Rose was ditsy compared to (Dr.) Grace Holloway. Not only was grace an actual medical doctor (vs. a shop girl), but she had no problems grasping the mechanics of time travel. I don't think you'd catch the 8th Doctor talking about pop television programs to Grace like the 9th and 10th Doctors had to do in order not to talk over her level. The romantic relationship seemed more believable since the two were more evenly matched while Rose+The Doctor seem more like Marilyn Monroe marrying Miller. Not that Rose wasn't a fun character though. And I think The Doctor's quick interest in asking if Rose was preggers does imply that they had a sexual relationship and not The Doctor simply assuming she was getting the love again from Mickey Smith, Defender of Alt.Earth.
Dec. 25, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST
Zuneo, Azureus's commercial BitTorrent download service. Not to be confused with the colossal flop from Redmond known as the Zune. Zuneo will be selling *Doctor Who* episodes online to U.S. residents (who knows...maybe iTunes will be next), although no price has been announced, when the service will start, and what episodes will be sold. *Red Dwarf* will also be available. Of course, if you can't wait, you can get Series1 on DVD (R1) or on Sony PSP UMD format. Series2 comes out on DVD in R1 on January 16th. Man, I wish it were available on Blu-Ray (or HD DVD) right now. The early adopters of either format could be buying the discs on a whim after seeing how little product is on the shelves at Target for either format.
Dec. 25, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST
I have always enjoyed roses character. I believe that her and the doctor had great chemistry and the episode was very well done and a definite tear jerker. We will all miss you you Billy.
Dec. 25, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST
Sorry. Had the spelling wrong there (zudeo.com).
Dec. 25, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST
<p>This week's was surprisingly decent. I'd even say a well-above average episode. Okay it did continue an earlier trend of stealing from movies (this week: Fight Club!) but it only happened at the end and thankfully was surrounded by far better plot elements including Gwen drugging her boyfriend whilst asking for forgiveness.<br></p>Those final moments of Rose with the Doctor were amazing, and really moved my non-Who fan family members back when it was shown. And Gorrister sums up my thoughts in the L&M and Fear Her "debate"; a word that admittedly overstates the importance of the disagreement among fans! But now we look to the future, with the Christmas special.... which I believe I forgot to record... NOOOO!!!