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GRINDHOUSE trailer hits like a wet slap of the ass! Juicy!
Hey folks, Harry here... About 3 weeks ago, Robert Rodriguez dropped by Geek HQ here to show me a bunch of GRINDHOUSE stuff - including a version of this trailer - but at that time, all the DEATH PROOF scenes weren't in place yet. Now that it's all put together - it's a cult work of art. This trailer either gets you hard and wet, or just turns you off. But having seen a lot more than this, I will tell you - This Double Feature - and the films will be feature length, for the price of 1 ticket. As film lovers, I just can not conceive of how this isn't the best thing since fried gold. 2 movies for the price of 1. And I bet you, this will have the messiest theater cleanups in a long long time. There will be popcorn everywhere, spilled drinks... hootin and hollering... This is a cinematic party waiting to pop in theaters that just aren't ready for it.
Now - go check out this trailer. It's your litmus test. In it's brief amount of time, you'll get whether your ass is there or not. For those of you that have been to the QT fests - prepare to ascend to heaven...
GRINDHOUSE trailer in HD!!!
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Can't wait.
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Id like to grind her house. Zing!
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I don't think that it will be much different when the films are finished.
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Rodriguez replaces them with a gun
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all I wanted for Christmas.
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In the trailer, her right leg was replaced, but the poster shows the left. Just curious is all.
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More high profile directors should hook up like this. Imagine scorsese and spielberg remaking deep throat with Dakota Fanning and Mickey Rourke.
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You can stop watching, when the Tarantino episode starts.
Sorry, Kurt Russell, but you didn'T made me watch "Poseidon", so I will skip this either. -
That could be the most amazing trailer I have ever seen!
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I Got Wood!
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Kurt looks cool, and was that Fergie I saw?
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Kurt looks cool, and was that Fergie I saw?
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Neato
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in my pants.
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I was born there.
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Jiminy fucking Cricket! This is going to me mine and projectionists all over thworld's worst fucking nightmare when we fisrt screen it.
On the plus side, if any of us scratch the fuck out of the print no one'll no, but jesus! I work for a shitball who oversees all the chains in Malco and he's a pruish fuck about presentation. His head will explode! -
Looks cool.
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for me threw whatever talent they had out the window a long time ago. I have seen nearly all of qts films. and nearly all of RR. I passed on the utterly shite Shark boy and lava girl. which was writtern by RR's seven year old son I believe. Grindhouse is not a style of flimmaking that I am familiar with at all. This movie holds no appeal for me at all. The Irish censor banned loads of movies in Ireland and the UK censor did like wise. This seems to me to be american phenomena. It passsed the irish by. but I could be wrong. Kill bill was a mess of movie.
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is the transition between some of the grainy, authentic-grindhouse looking shots and the shots that look very clean and modern.
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This just looks like a mess. And I actually like both directors. No interest at all.
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looks fucking great!
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Let's light this mother up!
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Yikes, he is awful.
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why KILL BILL VOL. 1 rocked and VOL. 2 sucked? how can one director go from total genius to total lame-ass in the middle of one two-part movie??
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...and probably will be just that, though I still think the whole "missing reel" idea is retarded as all fuck. Just as long as people don't expect anything other than a good, cheesy time and can go along for that particular ride then they'll probably be sated by this.By the way, it'd be great if this gave Michael Biehn's career a shot in the arm and drove him into (character actor level) a-list spotlight, the same way From Dusk Till Dawn did for Clooney, Pulp Fiction did for Jackson, Rhames and Travolta, and Reservoir Dogs did for, well, pretty much the whole cast. Probably won't happen, but it'd be cool, the guy deserves more quality work.
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But I will watch that again and again. Granted, I do like all their stuff .... 4 rooms was OKAY but this is going to be cool. Hopefully each film will be like 90 minutes long but wih the fake trailers in the middle - I'll end up pissing in the umpty soda cup .... or on the floor. Kurt gropping that chic makles me think Snake is back big time. How does the bitch with the gun leg pull the trigger?
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because that is definitely the perfect accolade I could pay this film. I'm gonna be there opening night.
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...I just came over here to see if I was mad or not. See, I thought it was Bruce Willis too - and I went as far as blogging about it. Then I got the fear and thought I might be nuts.
But you've put my mind at rest. For a while at least.
Death Proof looks seriously fucking classy. -
Diggin it, might not be everyone's cup of java, but for me it looks like a note perfect homage to an oft maligned but extremely popular genre.
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I'm betting he get's iced in a pretty short cool cameo. Oh, and that trailer, was, hands down, the coolest motherfucken thing I've seen, well, yeah, in my entire life.
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you pricks will bitch about anything! and Derlanghaarige needs to go back to his esl class.
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That was the best running wall flip I have ever seen on screen. If that guy was on wires, it sure didn't look like it.
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. . . but I just can't stand the gun for a leg gimmick. It's dumn enough to take me out of a already rediculous, fun movie.
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Because we were 13 years younger when Pulp Fiction came out and much easier to impress back then.
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That's all I have to say
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Nuff said.
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A valid argument. but i think Tarantinos segment of four rooms is the only one worth watching.
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My thanks to you both. I concur.
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as a marketting ploy warm up the release of this film? I hope so, I never bought those single disc editions because I knew something special was being kept in the vault to coincide with the next Tarantino release.
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Just so you dipwads know, 'pussy' is a slang term for a woman's vagina. Ever heard of those?
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Looks like fun...
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I repeat. Outside the US the bastards split the movies. "Planet Terror" starts in April and "Death Proof" in October. Why? The Weinsteins are so stupid, i cant belive it.
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And you know this. And I agree w/ everyone asking what's up with the Tarantino hate??? Everyone's been gushing over Grindhouse for a LONG time around here, we finally get the damn trailer, & all these people show up ripping on QT. Shut the hell up!
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It's far cheaper to go and rent a grindhouse type film than it is to spend good theater money on something that tries to look like shit. What's the point here? We know that Kurt Russell can drive a car and I'm sure Rose McGowen has had bigger items than that gun jammed up her twat! Please.
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And with all the shitty movies I've paid 9 bucks for, at least this one has the balls to say upfront "I am a TWO shitty movies for the price of one, but you'll have a great time!". You know what you're getting with these. There's no marketing ploy or deceptive advertising. You want hot chicks with guns, buckets of blood and explosions? You got it.
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There better be a DVD surprise come April. Yup, I said I don't knuckle shuffle when the names Tarantino and RR are attached but I do dig their stuff. This is going to be some serious cheese ball fun. All you haters out there .... when the flick surfaces, YOU'LL BE THERE! Dressed up like Star Wars geeks on openning day .... buncj of fucking haters. I, myself, will wait 6 days before going - you know, not to look so desperate. The fucking hate here is pa-a-thet-tic. You guys rip that there isn't a trailer and when there is one you bash it/him/them. Go back to defending the Transformers and how the new movie is bastardizing your childhood. Both will be pure fucking fun. And I'm no salivating Obi Wan Ken Fucko worshiper! Just some dude who appreciates a good, mindless, fun time. And this movie - with all the gimmicks - will be that.
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...I suggest you wash it before the stink soaks in. Not a flattering analogy, by any stretch of the imagination.
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Is still one of the most fucked-up revolting Grindhouse movies ever made.
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A dildo screw that ruptures a bomb in the chic's track .... ants being fed into the chics private parts .... we rented Penis Puppeteers aswell. The girlfriend loved that one. Made me feel inferior with my abilities but it's all cool.
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maybe the trailer reminded Harry of when he smacked his nephew's soiled diaper-clad ass after the Hulk? Harry's use of profanity is ALWAYS awkward.
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Seriously isn't this the year 2006???
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Pulp Fiction still holds up. Count me in.
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Dec 21, 2006 3:24:41 PM CST
Tarantino’s act is going to start wearing thin rather q
by i_snake_plissken
My view on Tarantino is that he made two great films (Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs) and then attempted to mature a little bit by making Jackie Brown. Unfortunately, when critics didn’t go ga-ga over it, he couldn’t take the fact that maybe his name wasn’t immediately going to be used in comparison to Scorsese, so he retreated back into kiddie land making films that were essentially critic proof ( Kill Bill and now Grindhouse). Yes, they’re hip and irreverent, but what I’d really like to see is Tarantino take another shot at doing something more serious, because I think he can be a great filmmaker and I’d like to see what he can create if he stretches himself and gets outside of his comfort zone.
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Sounds really good.
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were banned in Ireland. You should have seen the stink created by Bad Santa.
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I'm there, with bells on. But I do hope that QT gets the exploitation thing out of his system for a while with this and starts some more serious movies (Inglorious Bastards would be nice).
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...if this doesn't get a uk release date soon i'm flying to the states just to see this!!!!
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Like someone else has said, Tarintino's side looks the weakest but it should be fun.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKR4D5QNbk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsKR4D5QNbk
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kill bill vol 2 is the superior film if you like filmmaking and story. the first one is definitely more action oriented. i got really bored with the first one really fast. it seemed to easy. vol 2 felt like he actually tried to tell a story.
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I think there was a post about that footage...or maybe I saw it somewhere else...
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It's not as tasty as actual fried food and not worth as much as regular unfried gold.
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It was just a shame the Kill Bill Volume 2 trailer came out like 5 days before the movie did.
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2007 is turning me more and more ON!!!
Grindhouse, 300, Spidey 3,
and maybe Transformers, POTC3,
and FF2.
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Tarantino's segment is pretty good, especially the overhead tracking shot at the end, and Rodriguez's segment is, in my opinion, the best thing he has ever done. Are the other two terrible, and a mess? Yes. But Tarantino and Rodriguez's are worth it.
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It was like watching a bunch of little kids act out scenes from their favorite movies all slammed together with no real overarching significance or sense of the importance of dialogue and character development. It was amatuerish and self indulgent and a waste of my time that I resent to this day. I, too, once thought Tarantino had promise...as a writer. But if you look at the differences between Pulp Fiction and Kill Bill, it becomes apparent how much he needed Avary (and vice versa, if Avary's recent work is any indication). As a director, even working from someone else's story in Jackie Brown, Tarantino couldn't give the world of the film any depth or make its characters relatable (except to Pulp Fiction fans who would've paid at that point to hear Sam Jackson read the phone book). Tony Scott did far more with a Tarantino/Avary script (True Romance) visually, thematically and in terms of fleshing out the story than Tarantino ever could. And Scott isn't even that fantastic a director. My best advice to QT: stop hanging out with Rodriguez (you guys are holding each other back) and ask Avary to co-write something with you again. Then let Zach Snyder direct. Maybe then those of us who didn't swear some geek oath of fealty to everything and anything you crap out or attach your name to can take you seriously again.
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7 years to do a movie is a long time, and that's not to say that rushing is the best idea, but he's been relatively ready for Inglorious Bastards for a while now, he just needs to get into this mood that motivates him to work, that Rodriguez seems to bring out in him. Hopefully, his next movie will start shortly after.
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This fuckin movie is gonna make my 30's!!!
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That reminds me... Rodriguez owes me a movie.
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this done tore my eyes out my face by way o' the back of my throat! hells fire! this had BETTER deliver... www.mondoirlanco.com
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up to him and qouting dialoug from his films that he exiled himself to his bedroom and stayed there. for a couple of years. I rented out Kill Bill volume one on DVD and Saw Kill bill volume in the Cinema. I thought the whole thing was a mixed bag. I dont like the filmmaker the qt has become. Never has a filmmaker wasted his talent so quickly and so spectacularly. The coolness of his first three films has been replaced by nastier edge . i think. The towering image of Kill BIll is the scene where the bride is left in the coffin. I have no idea to this day how he pulled that off. I liked RR's Mariachi films very much and though the Spy kids films were bold ingenious and creative and had flashs of brillance. QT and RR blow hot and cold. I just wish that QT would make a really cool film again. With great one liners. I really dont think he is that filmmaker anymore, which is a shame.
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and the last I heard he was doing a major re-edit on the movie. To make it one single film.
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Tarantino and Rodriguez had gay disgusting ass sex and jizzed and shat all over each other. Sad to see this is what you little 13 year olds kids are into now n days. fucking SAD.
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My folks used to take me to double features just like this at the drive-in back in the 70's! Can't wait to see this one! And, yep, I'll be seeing this at the drive-in.
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Which was 1 movie for the price of 2. Does QT remember what an intermission is now?
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This trailer is better than most movies i have seen.
This will be good.
Robert Rod knows his craft.
Quentin T. Is a master.
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I completely agree about True Romance – great film, far better than anything Tarantino has done (or been involved with) with the exception of the aforementioned Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction. I just hope that Tony Scott finally gets himself some ADD meds (after watching Domino it’s clear he needs them). In terms of Grindhouse, I just don’t get the gushing love the fanboys are throwing at it. I grew up watching horror films and B-movies, and while I can nostalgically appreciate them, I’m not likely to sit down and watch “I Spit On Your Grave” on a casual Thursday night. Because, at some point crap, while being fun to watch and somewhat interesting, is still ultimately crap. And, anyway you slice it a woman with a gun for a leg is just plain stupid, quite possibly to the point of bad being bad, not bad being good. Anybody who purposefully attempts to make a cult film is really missing the point of the genre (and I give Tarantino full credit for having advanced knowledge in this area).
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Nah, That honor still goes to '300' and it's gonna win trailer of the year at that trailer award show they have every year. I have no idea what the award is called. The Golden trailer award?
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That was the best joke yet in this thread.
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How would you compare that to 4 rooms? For those of you who'd dare to bad on Kurt Russel, I have one word for you..."Tombstone". Shut ya lips. I for one will go see this thing just on the fact that fug Fergie dies. I've been waiting for that since I was 10. I hated KIDS inc. Except that Slater was the drummer. A.C. for life! Can't wait for this flic. what the hell am I talking about....where is I'm?
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This looks great...I immediately re-watched the trailer when I finished it for the first time. I CANNOT wait.
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The Kill Bills were just what they were supposed to be. If you love movies like Five Deadly Venoms, Lady Snowblood or...well...an almost endless list of great 70s drive-in imports, or for that matter movies like Rolling Thunder or...well...an almost endless list of 70s actionploitation, then it was just an incredible present. It was the kind of movie someone who grew up loving those kind of movies would have dreamed of making. If you don't dig those kind of movies, or don't want to know about those kind of movies, or just have a great need to masturbate about how hip in an anti-hip style you are in public, fine. Sorry you can't enjoy them. I remember arguing with most of a screenwriting class at AFI over the relative merits of Forest Gump and Pulp Fiction, too, with the predominant opinion being that Gump was an important and groundbreaking film and Pulp was just a cinematic cartoon. They were hip too.
See, the director who started out with a riff on Japanese crime movies, who went on to make a French style noir, who followed that by resurrecting two 70s exploitation stars to put them into a great big excploitation movie...that's a guy who's exploring the themes and influences of the movies that made him want to make movies. The guy who smashed the Shaw Brothers into Sergio Leone for Kill Bill was playing in the toybox of the cinema he loved to make some new toys. That's the same guy who's working with a kindred soul to make Grindhouse.
You might not like that. Those of us who grew up on those movies, loving their energy, their take no prisoners ethic, we kind of love it. Eventually I'm sure Tarantino will make his "Kundun" and produce something quite out of his ouvre. You won't like it either. The problem is, I won't either. Tarantino's following his muse. If you don't like where it takes him you can always spend that time with your copy of Gump. -
LOL... is that Spike TV footage another trailer? Because I liked it better than this Official one.
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One from Res. Dogs and the other from Pulp Fiction. And he's got another half from True Romance. So whether this sucks or not, he is still the bomb.
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the most outrageous, greatest, most fun flick to appear since I can remember. This may be my personal most anticipated flick for 2007... yes maybe even more than 300 or Spider-Man 3 (I can't believe I just said that). I can't wait for this thing!
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That is enough for any geek to spill a load. Fucking awesome shit right there.
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I just can't tell.
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Well said...Kill Bill gave me a headache, but Reservoir Dogs was amazing.
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Why wont they let you pause the damn thing? Sometimes I'm in the middle of shit while it's loading and am waiting til it's done!! Grrr that's really frickin irritating!!
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> Yeah, well that might explain why the mainstream film industry sucks – I’d really like to see somebody defend Gump as being a groundbreaking film. Fun maybe (and an interesting exercise in digital effects) but nothing more. Pulp Fiction is a great film, which is why Tarantino frustrates me – he’s clearly proven he’d capable of doing more (writing and directing). I’m glad many of you saw Pulp Fiction during your formative years, got a hard-on, then walked around quoting the film endlessly – remember that time you asked for a “royale with cheese” in the McDonald’s drive-thru? Man those were good times. Kill Bill wasn’t a bad film, just an exercise in style that was utterly forgettable (Kill Bill 2 was much better). I mean is there anybody here who can honestly say they think Kill Bill is a better film than Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction? And to those who say, “it was great for what it was trying to be” – fine whatever, that’s exactly what I mean by being critic proof. Tarantino makes films that some of you feel obligated to like because you think it makes you cool to do so – just like that time you went to the Sonny Chiba festival (you secretly wanted to leave after the first film, but were afraid to admit it). And, to the dipshit up above who said Kill Bill 2 was a masterpiece – you need to watch more moves. You want to see a masterpiece, go watch “The Good, the Bad and The Ugly” or “The Bridge On the River Kwai” – those are masterpieces.
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will be good. No doubt. Still, I wish Tarantino had cast Michael Madsen in Deathproof. Or Mickey Rourke. Not that I don't like Kurt, he established the badass in the films with Escape from New York. With Rosario Dawson and Rose McGowan in it, it should be good. Also, if you don't want to see the movie, go rent Bambi.
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...It sounds like a Rodriguez original, kinda like the sin city stuff. Fucking rocks!!!
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I thought the tb's stick spaces in the posts to prevent this! And if this is not the case, why are the spaces even there? They fuck up YouTube links sumthin fierce!
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The Bond one is kinda getting old, and I know there's gotta be a Santa Knowles animation you got tucked away somewhere.
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so was four rooms and jackie brown. I'll see this on dvd, Fuck You!
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Gah.
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Yes, I understand the whole Apple cult appeal, but the player BLOWS. Perhaps they should get someone from AOL to fix it.
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Grindhouse looks worthy of a day 1 viewing now.
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Grindhouse looks worthy of a day 1 viewing now.
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I don't have a single other thing running on my computer that would take up bandwith (no torrents, DL'ing ANY kind of files) and yet that trailer stream kept freezing up on me like every couple seconds, the whole damn way thru. WTF??
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Bitch Killer!
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Who would ever expect a trailer like that to play for a modern movie? Great trailer, looking forward to this, more for the experience than to the actual movies themselves. Although the gun-for-leg girl concept is quite cool.
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Best Grindhouse type film since......actual 70's Grindhouse. Rob Zombie kinda beat QT and RR to the punch on this "revival".
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After closer inspection I see it is only exciting, American film making (for a change.)
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I see that Rodriguez is a Mexican and it is in fact my Manhood. Hell of a thing to waste on a Kleenex.
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I haven't seen it this big in years...a full 3 inches!
Watching this trailer has given me a reason to live again!
JOY TO THE WORLD!
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Yo! Wanna see a documentary full of "Grindhouse Glory"?
Check it out at the sapling of a website mentioned above or on YouTube UNcensored!
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but can't wait to see the film. There is a pretty good article in the new Premiere about trailers and this one seems to pretty much be all about explaining the concept of the movie to the masses. Personally I preferred the first one that only showed clips of Planet Terror.
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Fuckin' A.
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make something, anything, i am tired of you. i want to talk about how awesome this seems but i have to wade through your bile. put two in the mouth kind sirs.
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although I didn't notice him in the trailer. still looks great though, 2 directors trying to legitimately do something that nobody's been doing anymore
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Dec 22, 2006 12:00:56 AM CST
re: Quentin getting exploitation "out of his system"
by carmillavondoom
Why don't you guys go see a movie by...oh...I don't know...ANY ONE ELSE MAYBE?!? ASSHOLES
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when he met Generals Chang - "Riiiiiiiiiight". That was also my thoughts when seeing the huge standee in the theatre when I went to Rocky Balboa. I'm kinda underwhelmed. I will totally give it a chance because I love both directors but seriously, a machine gun, grenade launching prostetic 'leg' is gonna be a really tough sell.
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... have something planned for this in Austin since it shot here. I REALLY hope we get to see it first.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow,Wow!
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To all the guys that say that qt's either never gonna do a serious, non self-referential movie, or that he's gonna screw it up, I refer you to the Bill-Bride showdown at Bill's house from the appearance of the daughter to Bill's death. For the first time, a QT pop culture lecture resonates with the characters and the plot and is in my view, quite profound. And then their "duel" outside, is the first time Tarantino tries to move an audience. I totally saw, in depth, these two preposterous characters and participated in dealing with fighting someone you love to the death. I didn't bawl or anything, but I was amazed that that scene could be coherent with all the madness that preceded it. At that point I totally bought that these cartoon characters actually had powerful feelings that developed over time in krazy killbill-land, and were real despite the unreality of their universe. Uma Thurmann and Carradine just totally sell me on the film during their final exchange, especially Uma loving him and killing and knowing she's going to miss him. To me the end of kill bill vol.2 validates both films (in general I thought 2 was funnier and more powerful), it makes what seemed a flippant title carry some emotion. It isn't called Kill Bill because it's just a Fox Force Five jaunt to find and kill him for revenge. I think the scene mentioned above made me feel that the whole thing is about the balls and grit it takes when you're defeated, to find your past, kill it, no matter how much it means to you, and move on.
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If you're still here. I gotta disagree with your take there. You really like Tony Scott's direction of True Romance better than the way Tarantino directs? I think that's nuts. Don't get me wrong, I like True Romance fine, but to me the style of direction is as important to Tarantino's movies as the writing. None of that slick shit, but he knows exactly where to put the camera, his lighting always looks real naturalistic, he gives it a timeless feel. Nobody else makes movies like that. And if you add up the fuckin phone book sized list of great performances in his movies it can't be a coincidence or just a matter of good casting. Compare Robert Deniro's performance in Jackie Brown (where he steals scenes just sitting on a couch stoned) to all the other shit he does these days, you know this guy can direct actors.
Man, the pacing of those things... you can't top it. He can make a nothing scene like Bud talking to his boss at the strip club in Kill Bill 2 seem monumental. I think you're underrating him.
Of course you're not the only one. You people really think Jackie Brown is boring? Where do I find you people? I want you kids to sit down and watch just the scene where Samuel Jackson as Ordell Robie goes to Chris Tucker as Beaumont and convinces him to get in the trunk of his car. The way Beaumont knows not to do it but can't talk his way out of it. Just that one scene alone is better than 99% of the movies I've seen since that one came out. Please study it until you agree, thanks.
As for Tarantino not challenging himself enough, I don't think it's fair to say that when his last movie was Kill Bill. This guy is known for his dialogue, he comes out with a movie where the first trailer has one line in it and is a classic. Never did an action scene in his life, now he did two movies worth of classic kung fu fights. He shot in different countries and languages and expanded into a more fantastical world then he did in any of his other movies. Even threw in some animation. I think that counts as stretching.
I saw alot of posts above saying Kill Bill "sucks" and since this outrageous comment is not backed up by any arguments or full sentences I can only assume these people have a superior understanding of the universe and must be right. But personally if I had to pick one (well, two) movie from the last several years to take with me to hide out in a spiderhole or something, it would definitely be Kill Bill. I love the way he channels old school kung fu, spaghetti westerns, revenge movies and everything else so authentically, but then he elevates it so I really care about these operatic characters. The way she wakes up without her baby and it could be just a goofy scene but he makes you watch her cry for like a minute. The way she gets revenge on Vernita Green but has to do it in front of her daughter and knows some day the daughter will come after her. The classic moment at the end of "the Cruel Tutelage of Pei Mei" when you remember that she is still buried alive and realize how she's going to get out. The way volume 2 switches everything up and makes you like Bill. You're even charmed by him along with her when she's given him the death blow and they have a few last moments together. And then her crying tears of joy on the bathroom floor when "the lioness has rejoined her cub." Almost enough to make a grown man cry. Well, okay, I will have to take your word for it that it "sucks," but in every other respect it is a masterpiece.
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Well said about Kill Bill, that's exactly what I was trying to say. I hate when people say Kill Bill is nothing but homage. It's sure a hell of alot more to me. (That said, the fights are spectacular.)
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...and this looks amazing
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I have mixed feelings about the Kill Bills. On the one hand, I think they're great exercises in style and also homage (sorry, Vern, but they are clearly love letters to Tarantino's favourites), and they proved that Tarantino was as much a pure director as he was a talented writer. On a technical level, I can't fault them at all. On the other hand, I do find them to be horribly derivitive and juvenile. They also allow the self-indulgent side of Tarantino to really wallow, which spoils the whole thing for me. I think I would have enjoyed them much more if someone had reigned him in and cut it down to one two/two and a half hour film.All that aside, I'm actually looking forward to Grindhouse. I'm one of those people who was interested to see Tarantino mature, but I'm not sure he ever will, and maybe that's okay. He is pretty good at mixing all these exploitation elements together in his own pot, so why not let him run with it and enjoy the results?
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Or have I exposed myself?
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And Harry, I work at an AMC here in NY and if I have to clean up a really messy theatre as you prophecize, I'll personally come to Texas to hurt you. Not kill you. I like you too much and couldn't imagine a world without Harry Knowles.
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That´s all. People who don´t like this should go and play with their tranformer toys.
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Honestly. That was so fucking terrible it just gave me cancer.
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Where did you hear that about the films being shown seperately over here? Is that true? If so, that is horrible news, and I think it will do a great deal to increase the piracy of this one. It's one thing to keep us smelly Europeans waiting a month or so, but to split a double bill experience in half and release them six months apart? That's insane. Please tell me this is a lie of some sort.
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Don't get me wrong. I love the woman, since when I saw her in Dangerous Liasons. She can kick a little, swing a sword a little. I would have been able to suspend my disbelief a little more if they actually used an actual martial artist who's been studying that shit for years. Not just someone who took a crash course over several months. With that said, I like the movie. I just didn't love it. Oh, and she's got really ugly toes.
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After all, "he gets the women, and kills the bad guys".
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THANK YOU!!! My thoughts exactly. I enjoy Kill Bill on different levels. I can watch Kill Bill as an emotional masterpiece, but I can watch it when I want something fun and operatic (same level as Star Wars), I can also view it, when I'm in the mood for an old-school stylistic movie. I really don't think Tarantino has done anything less than great. Well, Four Rooms is debatable.
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Enough with the fucking homage films already! I hate to see guys like Rodriguez and Tarantino waste their talent on masturbatory vanity projects like this.
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Why won't studios permit ppl to post trailer on youtube? You don't need to worry about formats there. Damn, now I got to wait for glorious quicktime.
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...and make the wife sleep in the wet spot. One cannot deny the massive (sorry, sometimes self-indulgant) talent of Tarantino. Don't like his work? Totally serious here, you've got to click on over to aol-movies and get the f^&$ off this site. (Although I don't think you're being serious and just trying to get a rise outta the TBers.) Tarantino is one of the few directors that can produce a movie that gets better with each viewing. Can't get into a blow by blow (heh) on the reasons why as they've been addressed above, but I have no doubt that my socks will be seriously rocked off at opening and I plan on bringing plenty of tissue. BTW I also plan on gorging on Puerco Pibil a la Robert Rodriguez before the screening so get ready for some wicked gas in the theater!
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Sorry for all the haters,...but in the immortal words of Wayne and Garth "We're Not Worthy"I feel the two guys make movies just for my own enjoyment.Thanks for making feel like a little boy,Yes Virginia there is a Santa Clause
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Yes, Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction are fantastic, and much has already been said over Kill Bill, but Jackie Brown may be my favorite film of his. The whole thing is just fantastic, and understated. Robert Forster owns that fucking movie, and just a simple scene like him buying a Delfonics tape while rap music is blaring is just so wonderful. Or when him and Jackie just mildly kiss at the end, but you can see leagues of achievement and feeling in his face. Everyone please re-watch this. It may seem boring or dull the first time, but watch it again, and you'll probably like it more. It just has so much greatness occurring in it. Just watch Jackson's transformation throughout the movie, and how he doesn't even look human in his final scenes. That scene where everyone is driving up to the mall to do the switch, and each has different music playing in their car is so nice.
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I get what they're going for, I just dont see the point. There's no denying that these guys are extremely gifted film-makers, but they are really held back by their own fetishes sometimes. To me, this is like another James Cameron underwater documentary... I'm glad you're psyched about it, but I dont really care. QT and RR are probably just having a "who can masturbate on the film and self indulge the most" contest and this just came out of it.
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OK, "but-monkey" you sucked me into this debate. Riddle me this...How do QT and RR become "extremely gifted film-makers" AND somehow be held back. Held back?! Yeah right. Hopefully, you're not held back by the same restraints and someday, your films can be regarded (even in college film courses) as ground-breaking cinema. (Sigh) Until then, I guess we'll have to settle for what promises to be a fan-f&%ing-tastic movie. Sorry you'll choose to miss it. Hopefully, there'll be films out from more accomplished filmakers who haven't been "held back". ass
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and is the best adaption of Elmore leonard novel since Get Shorty. I loved the whole way the qt brought the movie together. The performances were all great. I love the scene where we meet Sam jackson for the first time and you hear a noise coming from his car and he has tukcer tied up in the boot and kills him. Deniro was great in that film although the scene where he kills bridget fonda was a little rough and then there is the classic scene where Sam is watching the gun channel and says that immortal line mmm mmm mmm ak-47s when youve got to kill every motherfucker in the room except no substitutes. Regard Pulp, the scenes with Vinne and Jules are easily the best thing in the movie and remain the best thing he and avary ever did.
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unwatchable and I have tried. There is just too much going on.
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Slater and Arquette? Better than Pulp Fiction?? Huh???
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I mean, look at the script to Silent Hill. The film may have been good looking, but the script was fucking horrible. Example: Characters walk into an building that's obviously been gutted by a fire - "They say there was a fire here, years ago". Other example: Characters just attacked by unearthly creatures - "This place might be haunted", Yeah, no fucking shit it might be haunted. Sorry, I don't normally use that much profanity, but that script was wretched, and there are still people who claim that Avary was the talent of the two Pulp Fiction writers.
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about Jackie Brown and Sin City. Grindhouse could be cool, though I'll bet QT's half will be better just because it won't be so over-the-top goofy like Planet Terror.
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...a defense of Kill Bill is really as simple as this..."Pai Mei taught you the Five-Point-Palm
Exploding-Heart Technique?" "'Course he did." And in just two lines Tarantino deconstructs the entire genre, reveals that Bill loved Beatrix and tutored Beatrix from the beginning just so that one day they would find themselves just where they are. Just two lines, and they work on so many levels. Two lines that carry more weight and substance than most of the movies we talk about here. Yeah, Kill Bill is a lot more than an homage. It's also a commentary on the genres Tarantino's working in and a melding of genres into an entirely fresh and largely metaphorical cinema experience, and damn straight if I could only take ten movies to spend a year on a desert island (with magical working DVD player) Kill Bill would be one (I insist on both parts as one movie, though) of them. But it is also a marvelous homage to some damned fine movies. -
...truly heartbreaking..."How do I look?" "You look ready." The whole heart, the whole secret of the movie living in this largely quiet scene, with the Ennio Morricone swelling up behind it. If you loves movies, if you can surrender yourself to the joy of the experience, it just doesn't get any better than this. And I'm sorry, I usually try to be more diplomatic than this, but if you don't understand that Tarantino is stretching, is experimenting, you don't understand the history of the medium he's working in. You can not like the results, that's fair, but if you don't understand what he's trying to do with the colors in the palette he's chosen then you need to watch more movies.
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Did Spielburger get ripped back in the day for making an homage to crappy cliffhanger serials?
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Totally agree with you but I wasn't a diplomatic. ;0)
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Totally agree with you but I wasn't as diplomatic. ;0)
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**He can make a nothing scene like Bud talking to his boss at the strip club in Kill Bill 2 seem monumental.** Right, which is a good way to sum up my personal frustration with Tarantino. I enjoyed Kill Bill, I just think he’s capable of a lot more. Personally, I think Jackie Brown is far superior to Kill Bill. I believe one of the ways you can define a good/great film is based on how the material itself is handled when compared with films within the same genre. While Jackie Brown is essentially a crime/noir film, it’s strength is with the dialogue and characterizations – as an example, I think it’s Robert Deniro’s best performance in the past ten years, and he’s not even doing that much. What makes it great is all of the subtle interactions, voice inflexion and body language (I love the quick exchange between Deniro and Bridget Fonda in the kitchen). I think Jackie Brown is an example where QT took decent material and elevated it considerably.
Same thing with Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs. If you take almost any scene out of either of those two films and compare it to almost any other scene in Kill Bill, Kill Bill looks weaker by comparison. Based on the genre, there’s only so much you can do with Kill Bill (and for me, personal preference I think a film like Hero is still superior). While watching Kill Bill I found myself wanting to get past the fight scenes to see more character interaction, because that’s what I enjoy about his films (I would rather re-watch the end dialogue with Bill, or even the scene where the bride is trying to get her toe to move than the entire House of Blue Leaves sequence). So, while Grindhouse looks fun, a big part of me yearns to see him return to something I’d generalize as being more mature. I’d much rather see QT coax a great performance out of an underrated actor (Robert Forster) then see Kurt Russell running over people at high speed, and I’m a huge Kurt Russell fan.
And finally I really like True Romance – I think the material fit Tony Scott’s direction perfectly. Essentially, it’s a chase film, and I think the higher energy serves the film well. As I understand it, the original script presented the film in a non-linear fashion, and while I’m curious to see what that would have been like, I’m very happy with Scott’s version. But, we can agree to disagree.
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...but yeah, and I almost threw up when I saw that new Scorcese film. More wiseguys. How many times is this now? Even After Hours was just a play on the same old East Coast riff. Back to the same old hole, and I had real hope for him after Kundun, because he just stretched himself with marvelous results with that one. I always wanted to see Monet challenge himself more too. I mean how juvenile was that watery impressionistic shit? Paint a real picture, you self indulgent bum. And don't even get me started on Hitchcock. That's why none of them were ever worth a shit. Sad to see Tarantino going down the same repetitive, self-indulgent, juvenile path. And that dumbass Ford? That big baby Kurosawa? I spent decades waiting for Kubrick to work his way past that whole alienation thing, but he just never matured as an artist. Damn Peckinpah pretty much made the same damn movie twice in a row with Dundee and the Wild Bunch. Writers, too. That childish Fitzgerald, never getting beyond his little plays about desire and desperate social climbing. Or Joyce with his incredibly self-indulgent navel gazing (okay, maybe a small element of truth there), or Kafka, married to the same damn theme his whole lousy career? It is a truth of great artists that they have specific themes and emotional as well as literal landscapes they are obsessed with exploring. It is the thing that drives their creative process. Once again. If you are making an argument against Tarantino that could be made against a majority of the great artists in any field of artistic endeavor, you are making an unsupported argument which is, obviously, foolish. That doesn't mean you have to like what he does.
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...but without the scenes of the struggle that final conversation with Bill (which would make my short list of all-time favorite scenes in movie history...certainly a top one hundred, anyway) wouldn't have the value and impact it does. In fact I find it kind of ironic that some folks point to Kill Bill as an example of Tarantino not stretching himself because what they then go on to say usually leads me to suspect that if the movie had been less stylized, less genre melding...frankly less ambitious, they would have liked it better. I address this to you because although you don't seem to care for the movie so much while it really is my favorite Tarantino movie and (once again) among my favorite hundred movies ever, youo seem to like the parts of the movie that are also my favorites. But in the end the complaints about the movie seem to center on...it was supposed to be this kind of movie and then it changed and it was this kind and I didn't want that. And although that's a valid complaint for personally disliking a movie, it really does argue against the notion that Tarantino wasn't stretching or that the movie wasn't ambitious in scope and vision.
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...you mentioned the scene at the House of Blue Leaves. But there is so much characterization going on in that sequence. There's the moment when Beatrix tells the living Yakuza to leave the limbs she has chopped, as they now belong to her. Fine and good, a tip of the hat to the grand Baby Cart tradition, but later when Beatrix is beginning her training with Pai Mei we understand that it was but an echo of what he told her at the beginning of her training, how completely her life since she met Bill was designed to create the weapon that could kill him. Part of what makes me love Kill Bill so much is how even in the film's most bombastically violent moments the heart of the scene is hidden in the smallest beats.
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**less stylized, less genre melding...frankly less ambitious, they would have liked it better.** I suppose it depends on what might have changed. Would I have enjoyed the film more if they presented more of the back-story and developed the Bill/Bride relationship a bit more? Maybe. But, I guess that’s what I feel in regards to QT being constrained by the genre. A film like Kill Bill is not primarily intended to focus on a significant amount of character development – it’s a revenge flick. Too me, Vernita, O-Ren and Elle were all pretty much interchangeable – they were steps (and set pieces) to take on the way to the final Bill conflict (find, fight, kill, move on). Budd and Bill on the other hand actually stood out. But, my personal view is that the film is given credit for having more depth than it should – and a big part of that is based on what QT was able to accomplish with Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction (great character films that I’d much rather watch again than Kill Bill – I know you said that’s your favorite, but I’d happily debate you on Kill Bill being superior to Pulp Fiction, no way man!) I guess what irks me is the unabashed QT love – I think sometimes it blinds people to viewing the films objectively. It’s kind of like when John Woo started making American films – I remember there was a big group of fanboys that talked about how great Broken Arrow and Face Off are, but either one of those are complete crap when compared to Hard Boiled (and don’t get me started on Mission Impossible 2 – that movie sucks ass). Any one of my favorite directors is going to make films I love, and some films I don’t care for as much (but can still appreciate). But for me personally, I’d much rather see a QT film with two characters sparring with witty dialogue than with swords. Which brings me back to Grind House – will I see it? Sure. Will I enjoy it? Probably. Is it probably going to be better than 90% of the crap produces in Hollywood today in terms of my personal preferences? Probably. Will I forever remain a fan of B-movies – I’d say that’s a given (anybody who owns two copies of Death Race 2000 can’t proclaim to only love quality films). Will I hope QT’s next film is something I view as being a bit more serious? You bet your ass!
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By "Ive seen it all - nothing is new to me" cineastes who were explaining that the true landmark "SERIOUS" film of that year was "My Dinner with Andre" - stultifying unwatchable crapitude in my uneducated opinion.
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...great to see your favorite Woo is Hard Boiled. We're in a definite minority there. (movie actually led to a rule among my old gang...when the guy with the eyepatch tells you you're going too far you better listen) And I'd love to debate you on Bill versus Pulp sometime. Sounds like it would be great fun, though I doubt we'd fight to a conclusion. I really have to disagree with you about Elle, O-Ren and Vernita, however. Each died (chronologically) in direct order of their culpability in what happened. And Tarantino took great care in showing it. O-Ren, who created by her life to be precisely what she was, who was forced into a morality where any weakness was death, did what she had to as a soldier. When Beatrix (in the narration over the anime segment) says O-Ren made one small mistake when she neglected to kill nine people in the chapel, it wasn't just a throwaway line. Her failure was in not finishing off a fellow warrior, and we see this played out, and this same flaw echoed, in their final duel. Vernita left the life of violence and tried to pretend it had nothing to do with the person she had become. In so doing, and in trying to use the accoutrements of the suburban life she had adopted as reasons why her past crime should be forgotten, she showed herself more guilty and less admirable (by the ethical standards of the world these characters lilve in) than O-Ren. And her final demise is precipitated by her revealing that she hasn't intrinsically, changed. After using her daughter to gain a respite in her battle with Beatrix she uses that respite (bought with her own daughter) to attempt to kill Beatrix. Elle, the poisoner of Pai Mei, the seeming rough draft of what Bill created in Beatrix, is the pure anti-palladin, as such probably the least interesting of the three but an essential step for Beatrix to take in her journey. Physically scarred by her failure to understand the underlying morality of the life she has chosen she has mastered all the murderous tropes but none of the warrior's honor. Her final conversation with Budd is so revelatory. And to end on another note of agreement, I just bought Death Race again after wanting to stick it into the DVD player and finding out I only had it on VHS. It was all the Stallone q and a.
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...no one gets unabashed love from me who doesn't live in my house. Woo's broke my heart more times than I can count since he's crossed the Pacific (how was Face Off not good...how was it even possible for him to not make that movie a classic...how did that movie happen) and reduced me in one of my longer running random director feuds with a friend (De Palma versus Woo...no, I don't even remember how it started) to near submission. As for Tarantino? No lover of what he did in Four Rooms, and I would, in fact, defend that movie as a whole only as a doorstop. Not a great fan of his earlier team-up with Rodriguez either. Dusk 'til Dawn is several good scenes in search of a movie. Unfortunately, as this will be another point of disagreement between us, I feel the same way about True Romance, and as tempting as it would be to blame Scott's direction the flaws feel more like Tarantino's than Scott's. Now I own both those movies, and there are scenes in especially True Romance that are just nuggets of gold, but as a whole I just didn't think they worked. I'm not only not an acolyte, but based on everything I'd heard and read about the production of Kill Bill I went into it expecting to not like it at all. So the movie earned my opinion of it.
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...you've failed your own test. Back to the lab. Most curious bit of your post, which chose to attack the fans of these movies and the film makers' personal lives instead of trying to make any point about the movies themselves. You say that 25% of the people who like Tarantino's work probably still think things are going well in Iraq. The latest NBC/WSJ poll has the number of Americans who believe this still close to 30%. Now let us set aside how on earth that much of the American population could believe such a ridiculous thing or are so driven by partisan politics that they choose defending their "side" at the defense of our nation. But was your point that people who like Tarantino are as a group slightly more aware of political realities than the general population? Because that seems to swim upstream from all your ad hominem attacks.
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we've got issues, my friend. Putting aside your brilliant, layered criticism of Jackie Brown ("mediocre") for a moment, this has got to be the highlight of your post: "...still QT was regarded one of the best directors ever (which was mostly due to people thinking he directed F.D.T.Dawn a year before)" KielerKai, I assure you, no one thought QT was a best ever director based on anything they saw in From Dusk Till Dawn. Yes, people are easily fooled into thinking QT's name on something implies directorial status (like the guy at Rocky yesterday who yelled out "Spielberg's directing!?" during the trailer for Transformers), but From Dusk Till Dawn was obviously a giant jerk-off. And I mean that will all possible love, for I do enjoy that movie. But here, KielerKai, is my real problem: your analysis of Kill Bill points out such problems as "boring fight scenes" (ooph), "not very well chosen soundtrack" (How can you honestly say that with a straight face?), "flaws in editing and storytelling" (really? tell me more), and finally, this classic: "And the so called homage to Asian cinema and revenge movies was completely off the mark." Say what you will about the quality of the film and your opinion of said film, but I don't think you can argue that Tarantino's attempts to include homage(s) to Asian cinema and Revenge films was "off the mark". Most people's problem was that they were too ON the mark. Also? I don't think anyone's used the word "wunderkind" to describe QT for like a decade. The dude's 43.
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...because that's your opinion and not everyone's? And when it comes to movies all that counts is your opinion, and all you've got in a forum like this is your opinion and your ability to defend it. You've expressed your opinion, but that doesn't make it a universal law. What Colematthews was doing was inviting you to defend it.
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Red, you definitely got a lot more out of Kill Bill then I did. Interesting analysis to be sure – at least you’ve succeeded in making me want to watch it again. I agree on From Dusk Til’ Dawn, I enjoyed it right up until they hit the bar (Salma Hayek scene notwithstanding) but QT really needs to stay away from acting. And, in terms of my directors who make good/bad films, you mentioned De Palma who is an excellent example. I’d say his track record is wildly uneven, but at least he’s still trying (unlike say John Carpenter who’s completely lost it – and who as I’m sure you know paid his own homage to kung-fu films with the brilliant “Big Trouble in Little China” which I’ll take over Kill Bill any day of the week – again , personal preference). In terms of general QT projects, True Romance would probably rank third/fourth and remain a favorite of mine – the Walken/Hopper scene is pure genius.
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It looks like well shot footage dirtied up, rather than dirty, crappily lit stuff like a true grindhouse movie would. As for which looks better, Tarantino's talent has always been with dialogue and character, two things hard to communicate in a trailer, so naturally RR's more whiz bang crap is going to look better.
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...can't disagree with much of what you say. Love Big Trouble in Little China, too. My wife and I often trade "What more could you want?" "Oh a three demon bag.", and I've made many of the people I work with thoroughly sick of "You were not put upon this earth to get it, Mr. Burton". One of the first batch of movies I bought on DVD. And yeah, Carpenter's given up, but in his day he was a master. He's made more than enough good stuff to make it into director's heaven, and it's a real shame that he ran out or gave up or whatever it was that happened to him. As for De Palma, swear I don't trash him (well, I do, but only in that way you do when you're arguing a meaningless and well rehashed point with an old friend), and he's certainly still one of the best out there. Which, unfortunately, you can't say about Woo (who also already made enough good stuff to earn his spot, but still disappointing). Couldn't agree more about the Hopper/Walken scene, and yeah, I was almost compelled to mention Hayek, too. Strange that, eh? Oh wait, no, it isn't at all.
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...if Tarantino wants to walk poodles past a pet store, fine, but outside of the pass I'll give him for his horrific but oddly appropriate appearance in Desperado his presence has been a detriment to every film he's appeared in.
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...that it's the best thing Tarantino's ever been associated with. I love Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown, enjoy Reservoir Dogs, very much dislike Volume 1 and greatly enjoy Volume 2. I also think O. Stone took a meddling NBK script and turned into something orgasmic.
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It's nice to see there are people out there that still marvel at the brilliance that is Jackie Brown. I am certainly a minority, but I still maintain that it is QT's finest film. Thanks to Vern, DanielKurland, and others for posting. Jackie Brown is tightness personified for this geek.
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Nice turn of the phrase about trashing things in that meaningless way. I do the same thing over LOTR all the time. Don't get me wrong, I own the movies and if some old fart tries to talk smack, I'll defend them all day, but if I'm around True Believers, I'll be the first one to shit on Frodo's faggy glances, or get out the books and read passages (ye gods, I'm a nerd) to prove my points about how they adapted Two Towers incorrectly, or should have included all the dialogue from the confrontation between Eowyn and the Nazgul King. But I digress. I know Woo really wanted to come to Hollywood, but how many classics do you think we were deprived of by him doing so? What if he had been "stuck" in Hong Kong for another decade, pouring his frustration into 4 or 5 more great films? C'est la vie.
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Good debate/discussion Red. And yes, if QT wants to pull a Hitchcock, I’m okay with that (just get it out of the way early). As for Nero’s mention of NBK, that’s another film that polarizes people – and truthfully, I’m not sure where my own opinion falls. I think Stone accidentally became part of the issue he was attacking (I’m sure there are plenty of people who watched the movie and enjoyed the violence). And, even though I can completely appreciate the statement he was trying to make, the editing in NBK drives me up the wall (although Tony Scott topped him with Domino). In retrospect, based on what’s happened with the media since NBK looking back I’d probably have to give Stone credit for being slightly ahead of his time. Also kind of interesting when you consider the surge of gore films that have been making the rounds as of late.
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...NBK is so hard for me. I have this theory about movies like NBK, Scarface Clockwork Orange and Fight Club, that whatever the people who made them intended, what they become are cultural touchstones defining the angst and antisocietal urges of a generation of adolescent and young adult men, in a way that practically makes them impossible to approach in the way you would normally approach a film. They've even come out about a decade apart. They share some things, clearly the violence, the distrust of clearly corrupt authority, a perhaps overly-simplistic condemnation of the society from which they rise and the attempted creation of an independent new social order. I sort of fell in between the Scarface and NBK waves, and though I loved NBK when it came out (and share way too many stupid, juvenile traits with the Scarface wave) I've stayed away from watching it these last few years. Just have a feeling that I wouldn't like it as much. And I have today off using up that vacation, so I'm actually posting while wearing Blue's Clues Ears in between making odd dog noises and leaving clues for my four year old to draw. Sort of puts my opinions in perspective, really.
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...don't I know it. I've even had that crisis of faith where I've gone back and watched Woo's old movies to see if I only liked them because of the fact that they were exotic, but damn, they seem to hold up.
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Seriously, check it out.
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...thanks for the fun. Hope we get to do this again.
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Interesting last post Red. I also have kids, and I can honestly say they’ve significantly impacted how I watch movies (certainly lessened my tolerance for violence, especially when kids are involved – even something like Syriana is uncomfortable). What an incredibly mind warping experience being a father is – turns your entire reality on it’s head, not to mention that it impacts your ability even see as many movies! And, while I’ve never seen Ichi the Killer, I can tell you the names of all of the Thomas the Tank Engine characters (in my youth I could have given you a run down of my “favorite kills” from the Friday the 13th series - my how times have changed). One last thing – Fight Club is probably in my top ten films of all time – I think that movie is damn near perfectly executed.
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...sorry, had to come back for this. What you say is so incredibly true. I almost turned off Syriana. Stranger yet, last Halloween the wife and I started watching Pumpkinhead, of all the stupid things, and couldn't finish it. We've started just staying away form movies where we know it's going to be a central element. As for your other point, yeah it makes you sneak a lot of movies in on your computer or very late at night. I posted somewhere a couple days ago that I've seen Shark Boy and Lava Girl more times in the past couple years than I've seen The Wild Bunch, The Godfather and Doctor Strangelove combined, and truth be told I could have probably thrown in another half dozen of my favorite movies to the list. Worse, their new video obsession is...Over the Hedge. I was lucky for about a month with Sky High, which I could tolerate pretty well, but I guess it was too good to last. And, of course, there is more Dora and Spongebob stuff in my house than all the accumulated movie junk of my entire previous life. But when they dig something you like (my eight year old loves an old Robert Shaw/James Earl Jones pirate movie called Swashbuckler that I loved as a kid...whenever I churlishly demand "live action tonight" its what she wants) nothing feels better.
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Love the Willis and Clooney cameos. Any other guesses as to who might slip in? SLJ or Grier perhaps?
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It's Tarantino's best, that's not to knock on RD or PF, it's just the best written of his work, a perfect QT film, even if he didn't direct it, it feels the most natural of his work.
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I wasn't much of a fan of Kill Bill, or of Once Upon a Time in Mexico, but this actually looks pretty fun. And the two 70 minute films for the price of one are a nice effort to apologize for the Kill Bill split.
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Its basically the GRINDHOUSE concept (copy the genre with cooler directors and and a great amount of 'wink, winks' to the genre and the audience) as applied to a 1940's Michael Curtiz film. I just saw it here in Manhattan and its a good film but its getting no press. Inevitably someone will say that's because it sucks but I liked it for what it was (see above).
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Every movie ever made in the history of cinema, from the Lumiere brothers to McG, sucks great big donkey balls. There, I said it. FINALY! I have ascended to the ultimate level of coolness... not liking anything.
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the ultimate level of spell-checkdom.
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Then it's NOT a true Grindhouse film. Grindhjouse movies "bucked" the system, were not submitted to the MPAA and were released as NR (or sometimes X). I will be truly pissed if this movie is rated R. They should say fuck it and take an NC-17. It would really set a mainstream trend I think. Everyone is so scared of the NC-17. "It will mean box office failure! People will stay away! Theaters won't run it!" Yeah, not this movie. It would make even MORE money if it was NC-17. Why did the MPAA even create that rating? Everyone is so scared it.
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From UKFF: Last week, Rodriguez announced he was splitting from his wife of 16 years to cast and crew on the set of his new movie, 'Grind House'. He said: "This is an extremely painful time for me and my family, and Elizabeth and I very much appreciate your understanding and patience." Rodriguez went on to inform workers the split was amicable, that they still intend to raise their five children together and will remain partners in their production company, Troublemaker Studios.
Sad to hear this, I thought it was cool that his wife worked with him even after hitting it big. Guess watchin QT bang all those chicks on the casting couch got to the "little" robert. Maybe the "big" head will come to its senses after he comes ... Think of your children! Skanks are not worth it (Look at the notches on her bedpost dude) and watch out for the Aids and Herpes because your wife won't want you back damaged goods after these chicks break your heart. I Hope things work out for you two. -
QT's:
1.Jackie Brown, 5 stars
2.Pulp Fiction, 5 stars
3.Reservoir Dogs, 4.5 stars
4.Kill Bill, 4.5 stars
5.Kill Bill 2, 3.5 stars
RR:
1.Mariachi,3.5 stars
2.Sin City, 3 stars
3.Desparado, 3 stars
4. Dusk to Dawn, 2.5stars
5.Once Upun a Time, 2.5 stars
6.Spy Kids, don't care
AND YES, i hope GRIND HOUSE owns all and has an NC rating. -
Merry xmas bitches!
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He is one of the finest working directors today. Years from now he will be studied, where people like Tony Scott will be long forgotten. I think what puts a lot of you cynical dorks off is how accesable his films are. They work on So many levels, that you may only understand or see one level, like the sex, violence, or naturalistic dialouge for instance, and miss all the others. Like his total and complete control of mise-en-scene, his virtuoso camera work, the phenomenal performances he gets out of ALL of his actors, and yes, even that dialouge which seems to natural and easy, but is actually far tougher. Tarantino haters are a joke, the man is a genius./
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First of all, I can't wait for this movie. Tarantino and Rodriguez are two of the best Directors out there. And Rodriguez's recipe for Breakfast Tacos on the Sin City DVD is fucking tasty after a night of drinking. BUT I Caught Tarantino and Fiona Apple on Iconoclasts and he is one fucking obnoxious dude. He never shuts the fuck up for two seconds..talk, talk, talk all about himself and how great he is.
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Tarantino is a loser
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ONLY IN HOLLYWOOD ARE YOU REWARDED FOR BEING A GOOD LOOKING STRAIGHT MAN. EVERYWHERE ELSE, WE ARE HATED ON, KEPT DOWN, AND FORCED TO DRIVE SHIT CARS BECAUSE WE DON'T SUCK DICK (ALSO WHY GOOD LOOKING GAY GUYS HAVE ALL THE MONEY).
SO AS A GOOD LOOKING STRAIGHT MAN (WHO DRIVES A SHIT CAR) I WILL LIKE AND APPRECIATE WHAT GRINDHOUSE HAS TO OFFER. BUT AMERICAN CINEMA IS IN THE TOILET RIGHT NOW. WE PEEKED IN THE NINETIES AND ALL WE HAVE ARE "MIXTAPE ALBUMS" OF FILMS WE PASSED OVER IN THE VIDEO STORES IN THE PAST. -
...mainstream entertainment looking that bloody good can mean only one thing...war. some of the best work comes out of healthy competition (the space race, etc.) and with rodriguez fighting q.t. for supremacy you know the result will be brilliance. quite an impressive body of work being stockpiled by these two. they will be remembered for what they've given to the fans...
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....I just squirted a little pee down my leg that was so amazing
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which of the two movies(planet terror, death proof) will be shown first? I think this movie is awesome, if not brilliant. the trailer itself still resonates and vibrates in my mind! can't wait though i know at movie night people will be discussing which of the two movies is their favorite, but i think the mix of two different forms yet similar textures of films will spring energy right out of each other and the first showing will render to the next as audiences crave for another flavor of more exploitation film.
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It was even better in front of a packed (yeah on Christmas morning) audience in Times Square. Pretty cool.
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I agree and disagree with MetalWater. After seeing Tarantino on Iconoclasts...Cocaine is definitely what was doing there. Re: Rose McGowan...how could you NOT fuck that? But then I'm not the marrying kind.
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