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The TRANSFORMERS Trailer is HERE!! In HD!! Plus Hi-Res Scorponok!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. No need to watch the trailer in French or on that jumpy UK site... Now you can see the full thing play out in HD! I personally think the trailer looks awesome... jury's still out on whether Bay produces a great TRANSFORMERS big screen adaptation, but it's safe to say it'll be a helluva giant popcorn event movie... with robots!
Speaking of Robots, if you click the image of Scorponok below, you'll get the 1 meg hi-res version. For those getting geeky enough about the project to want a badass desktop image! Enjoy!
AND CLICK IT HERE TO GO TO YAHOO'S TRANSFORMERS PAGE FOR THE TRAILER IN HD!!!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
The US version of this trailer should be online any time now, and I’m sure we’ll link to that as soon as it’s available.
In the meantime, check it out in French!
Yes, there’s nothing better than giant robots, Michael Bay sunsets... and French.
I’ve actually been pretty quiet about the entire TRANSFORMERS rigamarole so far because I’m simply not a TRANSFORMERS fan. I can’t work up a righteous head of steam in indignation because I’m utterly unfamiliar with the various incarnations of the cartoons and comic books and toys over the years. Missed me completely.
I think this looks like fun. Michael Bay thinks I hate him, despite the fact that I have an indecent amount of love for BAD BOYS 2 (the closest thing to a GRAND THEFT AUTO movie so far). I think he blows shit up real good, and when you add giant robots into that mix in downtown Los Angeles, I’m in. It doesn’t have to be much more complicated than that.
And even after seeing this trailer, I still don’t know why flames on a truck have you all wetting your pretty pink panties. But such is fandom.
CHECK OUT THE FRENCHIFIED TRAILER RIGHT HERE!!
SURE ENOUGH, HERE'S THE FIRST ENGLISH-LANGUAGE VERSION TO SHOW UP!!
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That trailer just made me puke on my cock.
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Oui.
As long as the robits are moving around in Michael Bay mtv-cuts we won't see them long enough to notice that they don't look like they could transform into any kind of vehicle. Just as long as we can tell which transformer we're looking at aside from Optimus and Bumblebee.
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It's not YOU we hate Michael. It's the drugs.
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http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/transformers/
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Michael Bay will fuck this for future generations of would be transformer fans... he's dressing up a chiwawa and calling it a rottweiler... atleast we'll get the cash in re-release of all the generation 1 box sets.
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Le mew, le purrrrrr...
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Despite all the negativity I'm really looking forward to this and I reckon the trailer looks great. Unfoutunately apart from the occasional transforming noise, the audio was just bland. If only it had had some decent music I reckon it could have rocked.
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Come on! This looks insane!!!!!
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Hell yes, this thing is gonna rock!
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Yes, maybe I am a weeny little fanboy, but COME ON! You gotta get on board with this. Fucking robots dude. Yes!
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Actually, that was a surprisingly boring trailer. I'm all for trailers not giving away the best parts... but that was just dull.
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Big robots blowing up shit. I'm in.
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Still not enough to make me drool and jump up and down. I don't like Scorponok's bug looking eyes. And I still despise that blue flame paint job on Optimus. I'm there, but I'm not ALL THE WAY there yet.
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Even for Bay, this was cut so fast that it screams to be analyzed frame by frame rather than watched as a trailer. I guess when you make a generic CGI movie, you get a generic trailer that is meant to throw a lot of quick stuff at you so you don't see anything. I really don't feel anything for those robots, it seems like the most flavorless, high-priced summer popcorn fare that Hollywood pukes out year after year, at this point it all starts to look the same. I'll give Bay this, it doesn't look like a toy movie, it looks like another sci-fi blockbuster - too bad Transformers are based on a toy line and this appears to have nothing to do with it.
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fuck, gotta love shit being blown up!!looks surprisingly darker than what i expected. and that pool must be fricken deep.gotta love it
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ok, now I want to go see this movie! Unfortunately . . . it looks like Shia LaBeouf has a bigger part than I thought. I looked him up on imdb, and he's the first listed. I just hope he's not as annoying here as he was in I, Robot or Constantine.
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I still wonder what it would be like if Joseph Kahn was directing. That cameo by My Little Pony, however...genius.
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Damn youse guys all ta hell to
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... that looks fucking sweet!
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What was the point of that? It answers none of the questions that I had, namely, 1. What is the tone of this flick? 2. Are the "Transformers" going to be presented as the stars, or even characters, because there is not one line of dialogue in this trailer. 3. Why are the Decepticons bent on the destruction of our planet? From what I recall, they just wanted fucking Energon cubes. They didn't go out of their way to kill people.
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I just installed the new flashplayer, and still nothing.
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anything from that trailer it reall didnt give much away, I'm sure the tone is misleading too I mean that came across as almost a horror film! What I could see of the effects looked nice though. Just wish we could have had a line from Optimus.
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Dear God ... please let me have been wrong in my pre-judgment of this movie. Please tell me that Michael Bay has actually made a movie that I will not hate. Maybe not one that everyone will love, because, frankly God... fuck everybody. "Everybody" isn't going to love anything, and I don't care what everybody likes anyway. Just please, please let ME like this movie. In Your name we pray, O Lord -- Lightstormer.
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You would think that they'd put the damn thing up on the official site, but noooooo...
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Switch brain off, engage popcorn, have fun, I'm an 80's chile so I'm there!
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Seriously I didnt think anything of this movie until i seen that trailer. And that was pretty cool. Now hopefully the movie will be decent.
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One has to wonder how it could even be possible to make a trailer for a movie like this that is so completely devoid of anything remotely interesting. Boring. My interest in this film is no longer measurable by even the most senstive of monitoring devices. They'd better come up with something better than if they hope to get butts in seats.
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after watching the trailer for the umpteenth time (thanx for the english trailer) I gotta say I am looking forward to this flick! Yea it looks like it doesn't have the heart of the animated movie, but add robots, toss in a bunch of stuff blowing up and maybe humans gettin killed? Yea I'm there. I am there!
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I am no fan of Transformers 'toons', but i have to say this does wet my appetite.
Surprised at all the negative comments really, but the hard-core fan base is probably noticing things about the set-up that only fans can!
I like the low key audio and lack of hard hitting rock that tends to permeate trailers.
The film-or at least, its trailer- seems to be trading heavily on a darker angle and influenced by "War of the Worlds" ideals- not too mention "The Terminator."
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...I actually liked it, the trailer was suprisingly cool....the roboost (well the tiny shots you could see) looked decent, I am not arrested to any design of the autobots or deceptiocons (was not much a fan of the show, just loved the toys)...I will probably be there checking it ouT.
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I dont get why the hardcore fans are so upset...the original show was nothing more than a advertisment for toys, people are going on about it like it was flipping citizen kane. The dark angle is fantastic to see....I am far more excited by this movie now than I ever was.
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Okay, I'll see it openning day and probably buy the DVD SE. Are you happy now Michael? Are you happy Michael Bay?
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I'll just catch it later today. *sigh*
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I'd just like to announce that there is officially jizz all over my screen....
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Not a hardcore fan, but enjoyed all the cartoons from the 80's til now... And this hasn't had my interest at all. Some things just stay in their original form. Da Vinci Code should have stayed a book, and Transformers should have stayed a cartoon.
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I was giggling like a school boy through all three times I watched it. I kept begging "Please kick in with a TRANSFORMERS! 80's shriek, only to realize everytime just how lame that would actually be. What can I say? I'm lame. hella lame. But that trailer just rocked my god damned balls off - then juggled them in front of me. God bless you Michael Bay!
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That Ole Mike is celebrating the release of his trailer with a pair of Asian twins hotter than anyone around here can get? Because, yeah, that's how fucking cool that was. And well, It's Wednesday. That's what Mike does on Wednesday Morning.
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goddamitt cant wait till this is out i thought bay would fuck it up but from the trailer it looks really cool
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They're back, now disguising themselves as our own machines! We need Tom Cruise to save us!!
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on boring the fuck out of me so early in the morning.
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I can see there are still some stubborn Haters refusing to like what is obviously going to be an Awesome Rollercoaster of a Movie.
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I happen to like Bay. Nobody delivers cooler looking and better car chases, smash-em-ups. Happy to see a glimpse of that here. Think the movie will be very good, but the trailer just didn't stir me. Needs music and cooler shots.
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You gotta love that
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movies - but this looks kinda cool - looks like he finally ditched his amber filter - but i did spot another crazy car chase - old habits die hard
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But at the same time the robots look sweet. This is coming from a guy who grew up with Transformers and actually saw the '87 film in the theater as a kid. There are some people on this site who hate just about everything no matter what. There could be a movie about the Galactic Empire fighting the hordes of Middle earth in a battle MC'd by Hordac, Skeletor and Satan himself and they'd still complain. I'm optimistic about this project.
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is CRANK, not BAD BOYS 2, which is a flat out horrible movie that deserved every bit of trashing Ebert gave it when it came out. Because of that terrible piece of shit, I'm not as excited about this as I should be, but it would be just silly of me to say that the trailer isn't anything but great.
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"michael bay" movies bug me - and others that i know - is that they feel and look more like very expensive music videos or commercials - rather than "movies" - maybe that will change for me with this one - im not a transformers fan - but this does look cool - the transformers look real - kinda scary
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Suprisingly dark.
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This sucks so bad. I'm wondering if I'll even be able to watch the thing when it debuts on Yahoo at 1pm est.
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I don't know too much about these Transformers, but I think Michael Bay has a chance at making the most ludicrous film of all time here. Giant robots that turn into other things that are not robots? How can than that not be funny? This one and Fantastic Four 2 are the big heavy hitters in terms of multiplex ridicutainment. I predict this Transformers will combine the overwrought emotion of Pearl Harbor with the grand futurist vision of Armageddon and the disturbing character arcs of Bad Boys II. Maybe they don't have a naked surfing guy who is silver in this one, but surely it cannot fail to be hilarious.
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It looks fun, entertaining, and badass to me! MCMLXXVI might just fuck the fuck off now.
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that Gone in 60 seconds was the closest thing to a GTA movie. Given that it involved, you know, cars and that. BB2? Seriously, WTF? It was about cops! That's like the polar opposite of GTA!
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isnt fucking working...does this site EVER have a working fucking link?
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This was awesome!!! Fucking A!
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Shut the fuck up!, this looks Mega-tron.... I was a huge transformer fan as a kid, loved the comics, the toys and I remember watching the cartoon movie in the cinema with fond memories. I feared the worse when I saw pictures of the new designs, but on screen they look awesome. The shot of the Autobots driving through the desert did it for me and will have me first in line for opening day. Can't wait to hear Prime speak! fuck it, bring on the lens fares, and amber filters Michael!
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"Our world will be transformed on July 24 when aliens make Earth their final battleground in 'Transformers.' As the forces of evil seek the key to ultimate power, our last chance for survival rests in the hands of young Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf)."
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I'll gladly give him the reigns on 'Mask'! Gimme Brian Cox as Miles Mayhem, and Matt Damon as Matt 'tracker' Damon!
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That this film will be more about human reaction to the robots then the robots themselves.I guarantee this will be like Independence day.Now dont get my wrong I actually was one of the 10 people who dug The Island but I hate everything else.So im hoping transformers will be good..why becuase they deserve to have a kick ass live action film NOT Michael Bay,hes a hack.
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And is it me or does Bay look just like Peter Horton??
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I think I'm more excited about getting the thing working than the actual trailer itself. Honestly, it was kinda "meh".Compared to the 300 and Spidey clips, this doesn't stack up.All they needed was a shot of Optimus transforming, with a orchestral version of the original theme and that woulda been the bomb.
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It's not the TF I grew up with but it still looks badass.
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i tried that and im still getting "cannot find server"...guess i'll just wait...sigh
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Its a fucking TEASER, not a full trailer. Quit your bitching that it was bland and boring, at the lack of sound, music and dialogue. You fuckheads will see more in the trailer.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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with the fucking Transformers acting as the lynchpin for shit falling and smashing people. Blech. The transformations look retardedly good though, almost good enough to sit through the shit this will be.
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I thought this trailer was suppose to kick ass michael bay?,and just so you cant figure it out the people who clapped to this was on your payroll.
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anyone have a mirror or something? i cant get the damn thing to work
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If you keep getting the "cannot find server" message, try deleting your tempoary internet files and cookies, turn off your computer and then reboot it. That always works for me. You may just be clogged up.My problem with getting the trailer to run was, I was encountering a white screen with "PROMOTIONAL ADVERTISEMENT" at the top. You could see the outline of the flashplayer, and could access the right-click options, but it wouldn't actually show the page.Your troubles are of another source.
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thanks. i'll try that...maybe my comp is just virus ridden lol.
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Looks like good old 80's styled fun!
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This IS the trailer. (The teaser was released last summer.) We'll most likely get a longer one during the Superbowl and a third alongside Spidey.
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I can guarantee you that is the teaser. What was released previously was only an announcement. Check on Bay's board for clarification. The full trailer will be released around March.
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If you go to Bay's board and many others, you will notice this is referred to as the "teaser". There will be a trailer.
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Truly!! This was better then expected. It rocks and its dark!! This is what people want to see in the cinemas. Being negative just to make yourselves special on this site. GET A LIFE!!
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I'm so not a fan of whatever everyone apparently masturbated to as a kid that I don't even know what these "transformers" are supposed to be. But whatever. Giant robos stepping on stuff. Shit blowing up. I'll be there.
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what you could call music) in the background, it kinda gave me a T2 vibe. Unstoppable, terrifying machines is a better goal than the wacky, robot-human relations zaniness suggested by that online script.
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i tried deleting temp files and cookies and restarting...still nothing. i'll just wait for the premier in a few hours...god i feel so left out *goes to lay in a fetal position and cry*
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So we have all been following this movie since it was announced, we have all had worrys about bay directing (myself included) we suffered script leaks and a weak annoncment trailer (the sky on mars is blue?) but this,this shows us that this film will be a fucking robot filled explosion drenched movie. Bring on release dai I'll be there ready to eat my hat when this film kicks my doubting ass!
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No doubt we will be hearing Cullen in the full trailer next year (and hopefully Welker too).
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"Being negative just to make yourselves special on this site. GET A LIFE!!"I hate to get involved with the whole Don Murphy thing, but from that statement you gotta assume...And just to clarify my positiion on the film before Don or somebody starts quoting me...I wasn't a huge Transformers fan as a kid, I was a G.I.Joe guy (Don't touch that property please. I don't care who you are.), and from what I've seen of the film, the only thing thats really bothering me is Starscream's design. Hopefully that has been changed a bit, he did look like a cock monkey.Other than that, despite the lackluster teaser/trailer (I'm pretty sure Yahoo hs it listed as "trailer") and some lame bits in the (early draft of) the script, I'll be there opening day to see that final battle that sounded so awesome, in the script, hopefuly thats still in there.Also, that closing shot of Prime atop Mt.Everest better be in there, or I will book it to the ticket office before the credits roll so I can get my money back. That shot NEEDS to be in there!
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I dug the shit out of it! Not sure why they felt it had to be dark in tone, that doesn't automatically buy respect with the fanbase if they felt they had to legitamise it. That said, Bay does now how to blow shit up, and really that's what I'm looking for from a Transformers film (well, as well as giant transforming robots, natch)
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The teaser looks amazing, but then every Michael Bay trailer looks amazing. All we're seeing is the special effects, and we already knew those were going to be great. The problem with Michael Bay films are with braindead scripts, lame climaxes at every scene, overused slow motion, and gatling guns on moon rovers. You know, the stuff you don't see in trailers. I hope this movie is good, I really do. But I will remain skeptical until we get some actual reviews of the film's content, rather than just special fx clips.
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Optimus Prime gets to the city then some mexicans trick him into stealing car stereos and paint him while chanting "los locos kick your butt, los locos kick your face , los locos kick your balls into outer space"!!!
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At first I didn't like the designs. I am warming up to them now. Now the only thing that can sink this movie is the acting performance by that model/actor and and the robot voice actors. I hope the robots don't sound like overdubbed Pixar peeps. I want to believe that the audio is being played through a speaker on the robots. The robot voices better not sound like somebody in a sound booth.
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MEGATRON-Eddie Izzard. OPTIMUS-Woody Allen. STARSCREAM- jason mewes.
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The perfect replacement for Latta's Starscream in the sequel? I've said it before, and I'll say it again...Willem Dafoe.
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...which is just not much. I dug the cartoon when I was a kid, but I never thought a live-action Transformers was needed. When I see a popcorn flick, I want to see stuff that I have not imagined on my own. Live action Transformers are something that I can easily imagine after watching the cartoon. This seems to be a bunch of cars with legs running around blowing stuff up. There's no atmosphere, no interesting looking characters, just mechanics. I'll admit I was mildly impressed with the trailer, but just don't care about this movie. It doesn't matter if the director is Michael Bay, Peter Jackson, Stephen Speilberg or Guillermo Del Toro. I think the only director that could possibly get me excited for this flick would be Takashi Miike. Did any of you see The Great Yokai War? Now, that was a live-action Saturday morning cartoon.
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niiicceee
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of in two by crazy robot, robot coming out of the pool!! I have to say it again. Next year gonna be so full of cool movies, I want to scream with joy.
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... ejaculated, cried and sweat... and there was something coming out of my nose too... and now I'm sitting here in my puddle... just happy... thank you, Michael Bay! (I've never seen or read anything from the TRANSFORMERS universe... but this movie will OWN)
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Michael Bay shouldve had his ass beaten by james lipton after he made the island. Are audiences so stupid they will believe you can survive falling off of a sky scrapper just by staying on a giant letter from a sign. I cant even stay on my couch when my surround sound scares the shit out of me.
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Nice and understated, great sound. How much of that will make it into the final movie is anyones guess. Very Spielbergian pool shot at the end with the little girl. Interesting.
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are the worlds press sucking Micheal Bays cock on this one? Every article I read is someone praising this film to high heaven. Have they read a differnent script to everyone else and been privvy to extra info? Or does Micheal Bay just have pictures of them all round his house doing copious amounts of drugs?
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Frankly, I'm not going to give a good god damn about this movie until I see some reassurance that the robot characters are actually characters, not just set pieces. This is their movie.
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The trailer is exactly what I thought it would turn out to be. I didn't hate it, but I didn't love it. There's no passion or emotion in this films crafting. That's obvious. There's nothing here that indicates to me that the filmmakers took the time to understand the original source material. If Michael Bay wants me to care about this film he needs to convey to me that the Transformers are real characters and not just set pieces. Otherwise i'll avoid this movie like the plague.
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so, for a first trailer... it didn't jump out and grab me by the nuts like the trailer for The 300, but it DOES look pretty freakin' cool. This had an almost horror film like feeling with the music and the quick cuts and all of the darkness... which is fine, for a first trailer. My hope is that with the second trailer, its more 'action packed' and high energy... and maybe, juuuuuuuuust maybe, we get to hear Optimus say SOMETHING. ANYTHING. or maybe the first part of the rollout quote... "Autobots...." then BAM. end of trailer.
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Totally kick ass. Fuck all you who thinks this will suck. It may not be the greatest movie ever but, it will be fun.
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I'm looking forward to this movie now, I honestly couldn't figure out how they would pull this off and it looks way cool.
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Color me impressed. That was a sweet trailer.
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I knew that this was going to bring back the cocks who only post on TF talkbacks and sure enough, they're coming in.I've got to say that looked cool, much better than i originally gave it credit for and the robots looks fucking amazing. I cannot wait to see the full transformations in effect.Here's a question for the tool afew posts back who blathers on about "original source material". What original material? What do you consider canon? Toys? Comic? Cartoon? Armada? Energon? They're all fucking different. If you have a hard on over toys then fine, but shut the fuck up already and just admit it; you'll be there opening day.
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I've never been a hater of this project, or of Michael Bay movies (except Pearl Harbour). I am a huge fan of the toys, but so what if some designs have changed! This and LFODH is looking so far like an action movie fans wet dream come July.
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You make the comic-book-guy from Simpsons look like a dramatic character. I'm still crossing my fingers for a fun movie. I'm also hoping that producer Speilberg has been on Bay's ass, demanding a good flick. I don't know how he's behaved with most of his producing gigs, but I was reading just the other day about how he took control of Poltergeist. Man, he pissed off Tobe Hooper something fierce. Anyway, I'm rambing, just hope for the best, people. Don't knock it til you try it. Blah Blah Blah . . .
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I just got really excited about this film.
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Got a real terminator2 vibe from the trailer. My expectations have now been raised from "disinterested" to "could be cool." Liked that fact they seem to talk in machine speak. Liked the moody lighting. Loved the CG. Loved the fact the decepties agenda seems to be total war. Still need to be sold on the a-bots teaming up with good looking youths hook. Still need to see some bot on bot ninja action. But some boxes were ticked all the way to hell.
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Do you remember that feeling when you first saw Independence Day and you were instantly hooked, well write it up as Deja Vu because this became my must movie of '07 to see; especially considering all the other good movies coming out.
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Would like to restate, I meant the ID4 trailer not the movie, still early in the morning.
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to seeing Independence Day in the theatre...seemed really good at the time, but after subsequent viewings, not so much.
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I'm cautiously optimistic, but the scenes look exactly like what was in the leaked script... and that script sucked ass. Hopefully, it was revised more than the glimpses seem to indicate.
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Fuck that shit! I'll watch Merchant-Ivory if I want that. It's giant robots kicking the shit out of each other. I'll buy that for $9. As to the "flame haters" fuck you. Who wants to see a flat chested, red Lorry on screen. Make it killer. You dont' like it? curl up in a fetal position with your first gen toys and stay the hell home!
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as the second season of BSG
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Anybody?
Oh - Designs = Teh Suk.
Movie - Plot = Looks OK so far.
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...even me (who usualyy hates big blockbusters) thought that trailer was cool as hell, people getting depressed that it was not the 80's version of Transformers......GROW THE FUCK UP! The 80's are gone, we all remember that period and it was awful. The new designs look pretty good, the "horror" movie feel is great and it should be a pretty entertaining flick.
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I didn't care much for the first teaser trailer but this one makes the movie look pretty sweet. I don't know. I'll preserve my judgment till next year.
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Definitely did a good job with the 'teaser' aspect.
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It will be what it will be, namely an entertaining popcorn flick based upon toys/cartoon. Nothing more.
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Long time fan of the series, looking forward to seeing more in future trailers.
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Ok, so was it just me or did that trailer seem to think it was advertising some sort of horror movie? That just didn't seem to make sense.
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I am laying here with the fittest Chinese triplets you have seen in your life.
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That worked better than I thought. I was really skeptical about this movie (& im not a TransFormers fan), but the trailer seems better than expected.
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No kidding.
When we grew up, we had Spidey, Batman, etc.. kids would dress up as them for Halloween.
Today? Bob the Builder. What's so special? He's a construction guy. No special powers, nothing.
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Why does everybody in movies and comics these days design stuff that looks like it was assembled from scrap metal? It's the really basic stuff that becomes iconic. As for the film itself, I'm thinking it's a rental at best.
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I'm still not sold on all the character designs (Megatron and Starscream, primarily) but that trailer made those giant robots look real and menacing. The helicopter landing/transformation scene was great. I may actually pop for a ticket to a real screen to see this.
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I will gladly give up ticket money to Daddy when this gets released. Holy Sweet Fucking Shit. I'm there.
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needed to be said...
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Anyone who was suprised or shocked sucks. It looks and acts just like every other Bay film. It will be a popcorn flick and nothing more. No substance. Its just sad they had to use the Transformers name to make their next "same thing as last year" movie.
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The trailer did underwhelm me but it "looks" good. The Transformers were just toys you fuck-tards! The cartoon was just a commercial to sell them! Get a grip on reality. It's not like those cartoons had any real story line - 2 sets of robots beating each other up - or significant meaning to your childhood. Arms twisted and they turned into shit. OHHHHH AHHHHHH. It's about time someone did something with them that could actually be entertaining. The GI Joe cartoons were better - they atleast had a real story! Now, I don't cherish every Bay movie - Armag-fuckin or The Island (could have been real good) but c'mon! This is big dumb robots beating each other up ON THE BIG FRIGGIN' SCREEN! 20 feet high with destruction and explosions and humans being squashed and .... ecapist entertainmet. The 3 good Star Wars movies had good stories, the newer ones didn't, hence the hate and I agree. Fuck, it would be like bringing back the New Zoo Review or Captain Kangaroo - there's raping your childhood, fuckers! But this was a fucking NO STORY TOY LINE advertisement for fucks sake! Fuck, Slither had more oF a story then this cartoon had. You haters - man, you must have done something sexual to these toys in the bathtub to garner this much hate. This movie, yet goofey, will kick ass. And the CGI looks great (from the teeny tiny window I could watch the trailer on). Bad Boys II and The Rock were great stupid summer movies. This will be fun as hell.
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...it's effing great! I don't really care about this movie, one way or the other, but I viewed this in full screen and it was great quality and the download was fast. Does anyone know what format it is? It seems to be the same as whatever YouTube uses. Props to whoever, at the studio, decided to put the English version in that format.
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...the little tiny transformations? I can deal with reimagined vehicle and robot modes, sure, but it looks like Bay wanted to make every square inch of their surface area move. Lame. Ugh.
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the full screen trailer (sorry - teaser!) was pretty sweet.
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Which sucks. The cartoons were full of heart. Of course, I don't want them gay-ified either.
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The 80's were not the golden age of kiddie programmes as your rose tinted glasses assumes. Yes there were some fucking fantastic shows and movies, but for evryone of them you had 15 terrible versions. The geeks need to get over it, the designs changed and what we are hoping for is a entertaining movie...the show was TV ad for toys so the film does not have much to live up to.
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Fuck it. I'm a believer.
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nice nod to War of the Worlds
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They were a means in which the vulnerable child inside all of us could escape the ridicule of a harsh and bitter world, and project ourselves in enlarged, swollen and powerful blue-steeled behemoths with no fear. Put simply Transformers allowed us to Transform in something proud, something substantial, allowing us to transcend the Lacanian Mirror-stage that holds us all back...
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They were a means in which the vulnerable child inside all of us could escape the ridicule of a harsh and bitter world, and project ourselves in enlarged, swollen and powerful blue-steeled behemoths with no fear. Put simply Transformers allowed us to Transform in something proud, something substantial, allowing us to transcend the Lacanian Mirror-stage that holds us all back...
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I've always remained convinced that Bay wouldn't screw this up. I must've been only one of like a thousand people to think that. Still, after I read Harry's meeting with Bay last year, I knew that he wouldn't screw it up that bad. The concept art looked kinda iffy, but I knew that the only reason they made changes was because they had some badass ideas in mind. Great job so far Bay. Fuck them critics.
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...was just a placeholder. I guess I am used to the classic cartoon version. I am keeping an open-mind about this movie. However, I have some reservations about the changing of some of the story elements of the TFers universe.
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Dec 20, 2006 9:16:56 AM CST
All the images are still here http://tinyurl.com/ycnys3
by all your base
So you can actually see what the robots look like.
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Did anyone here really think the trailer would look bad? Of course it's going to "look cool." But the "thousands of transforming parts" hype didnt end up satisfying....it looked like generic transformation. How can one "pretty" trailer suddenly make things right? Think about it.
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IT HURT MINE EYE....MINE EYE...
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Woot.
Trailer has a very Spielbergian WotW/JP2 vibe. My only real concern with Bay (not the coke, not the whores, none of the other ad homina that's standing in for discernment here), is his historic inability to hold a shot for more that .02 seconds. Giant Robots Attack Earth should be filled with long, steady, awed takes before going boom. That's what I want from this.Also, I totally dig the Optimus tease - red and blue with pointy ear dealies? That's Optimus enough for me. -
For live action, that is. The complexity of them lends a bit more realism to it. I'm excited to see a bunch of huge robots stomping around blowing stuff up.
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Hyped movie, cool trailer = movie is probably shit.
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Having never been a big fan of Transformers, my expectations have been amazingly low for this film. After watching this trailer, however, I'm totally on-board for this thing now. That freakin' ruled! What a great trailer! I may not see it opening night, but this one is now a must-see in a first-run theater for me now. Cool!
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....Da Coolah! Anyone who has read the synopsis and claims to love Transformers must be extremely worried. I am just hoping against hope that White Lion is gonna sing the theme song.
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made me cry. Very traumatic and agonizing.
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Lets see what Bay has in stored for summer 2007!
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Transformers is also like Austin Powers vs. Dr. Evil. Talk about your eternal struggle!
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...swings in here and tries to "blow shit up"?
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for the Bionicle or even better, the MindStorm license. Then people may have actually supported the movie. For people who don't understand why fans are upset, this would be like if Eragon claimed it was a LoTR movie or if Ice Pirates were part of the Star Wars franchise or if some episode of Saved By The Bell with boxing in it claimed it was Rocky remake. They should've just used these designs http://tinyurl.com/yxv86m for the autobots.
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However, I'm still clinging to my lonely voice of optimism regarding this movie. Don Murphy's dubious attitude aside, of course.
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My first response is... That was pretty underwhelming... The trailer jerked you off but there was no bussing of the nut... Let me watch it again...
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I really hope they stick the transforming sound in, because the jarring, screaching, clanging sound of metal shifting around is really going to lul audiences into loving these pale immitations of the Transformers.
I could go off on a rant about how shitty this looks and how the Transformers look like shit on screen and moving just like they did in concept and in still images, but seeing this makes my head hurt. It damages the inner child I tap into everyday that I go to work to as an animator.
A part of me wanted to be wrong, a part of me wanted to have all those hookers who suck Michael Bay's dick to be right... but they aren't, they are just sucking harder hoping that the foul crap that they taste isn't going to give them a disease.
This "trailer" is weak, and those of you who are converts are weak for thinking this is good.
It's not.
It just isn't.
On the bright side the product placement in this film is so obvious that no one will deny their need to purchase a giant my little pony when this movie is over.
Wait, shouldn't they... ah fuck it. This movie sucks because the story sucks, the visuals are half assed, and there is nothing to really draw in fans. The reason we didn't hear Prime is because he only speaks for 8 minutes.
I agree with YackBacker for the most part. You can't transform shit into a good movie.
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hope the ominous tone of that ad is not lost in the actual movie.
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There are better flicks coming next summer but none will have that "switch your brain off and enjoy" factor quite like this. I mean, this may very well spit all over the much loved source material but come on, A giant robot movie by michael bay ? This shits right up his street!Now everybody sing:"You got the touch ......you got the powaaaaaaaaaaaaaah ! "
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you are so Simpsons comic book guy.
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agreed.
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agreed.
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Talk about having your emotions easily manipulated!
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Got sick, had surgery, missed a few months of living, no big. Now, I'm back to work and loving it... at least until I saw this, but you are right. This was very well lit. I do have to give them that.
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I wish could invent a machine that would channel the enormous passion in this talkback into some kind of energy generating machine. It would power the world and end global warming!P.S. Fuck all of you people who do not agree with me.
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That trailer was fucking cool
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Tony Scotts latest. Nobody does Vapid bollocks better than Tony scott.
This site sometimes attracts, film lovers of a more serious pedigree, who like thier movie to have a more artistic kind of feel. Hollywood is not is the business of Msking art it movies to make money. Some people actually enjoy watching vapid bollocks more than others and this film is for those people and there are lots of them. This is a summer movie. it is not art. I kind of get the feeling from this site that there are people who think that hollywood should be making only one type of film, and that film should not involve people like Bay or rothman or marvel or ratner or singer. Put it another way there some on this site who verbally piss on execs for making. That is what they are paid to do. if you dont like the product then dont purchase the product. As long as there are movies being made people will go to the cinema. -
T2 is arguably one of the best action movies ever. Transformers definitely gives off a James Cameron/T2 vibe. The atmosphere and action look to be even better in this one. By the way, did anyone notice the "Takara83" logo on that Defense Department screen?! Takara manufactured and Hasbro distributed the Transformers toy line since 1983. See? I know what I'm talking about.
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is all growed up now. Bet your girl digs it.
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These robots don´t look like Transformers, they look like Bionicle characters. If you guys are worried about flames on Optimus at this point, you are retarded.
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We can start calling it Go-bots. I swear I saw that cute little scooter somewhere in that trailer!
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Fuck you Bay.
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what is coming. Lots of Godzilla flashbacks are being caused for a reason...this will suck. Bad. This dark wet scary trailer is bait to get us all to watch Shia Labeouf's reluctant hero crackin' wise and a cute little girl cultivating a frankenstein relationship with a big robot that follows her around like a puppy dog. This robot will inevitably fart and/or burp and 12 year olds across the world will laugh their little hearts out while we barf half digested milk duds into our mouths.
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For the record - my thought on DaVinci was that it sucked like a peanut butter tipped dick and Golden Retriever. My mind expanded more while rading Where the Sidewalk Ends in 4th fucking grade then seeing that POS. Eternal struggle between good and evil? Like Mr. Fucking Patato Head's good and bad eyes! Or your finger and a itchy ass. You must have had to sit on your scary uncles lap more then a dozen times, feeling bone, and then retreating to the bathroom for some Scuba Optimus in the red eye. Yes, I owned a few toys, and they were cool to play with and all but man. Lucas had the rights to the toys prior - yeah, but the story was cool and iconic. This will be a dark, romp stomping movie - it will OWN YOUR ASS! You will see it and STILL bitch that it wasn't true to a toy commercial. I hope every human in this movies gets stepped on and squished. Dude, I'm only going for 'splosions! And to see some cool FX. Same way with Jurrasic Park. The books rocked and when I saw the Lost World and the dino was screaming after arriving in San Diego - totaly let down from the book but I smiled becuase, as corny as it was, I LOVED IT! You think this movie is gonna be The Fucking Right Stuff or Chariots of Fire or something - WRONG! it's Bay - 'splosions dude! Though the holding hands sceene made my whince.
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...don't forget to watch "Beaches" after dinner and to read a chapter of "Tuesdays With Morrie" before bed.
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Dec 20, 2006 10:03:23 AM CST
Its got a termintor 2/war of the worlds thing happening
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Here's what you do haters, pretend your a fucking kid and you're enjoying the cartoon and this comes on during the commercials
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Explosions, trucks and helicopters shifting into giant robots, running and screaming... This movie shouldn't be too cerebral. It should be a fun, action filled summer movie, which it looks to be. And this coming from a fan of the original series. Some of the designs of the characters didn't thrill me (Megatron) but it looks like it could work onscreen. One question I have though is, how will they introduce more characters in the inevitable sequel? Are there more Autobots and Decepticons in a sort of standby mode, wating to take shape? Or will they be sort of in orbit in other parts of the galaxy? Or will the current characters just evolve into different shapes? Or I'm looking too hard into this...
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...Please?
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Wasn't this a radio show? I seem to remember Orson Wells doing a fine piece about robot aliens tearing up New Jersey. I give this trailer a "Whaaaaa?" and an "Oh brother".
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He's one of the brighter bits of casting. I'd worry about the other roles. Shia has potential.
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He's one of the brighter bits of casting. I'd worry about the other roles. Shia has potential.
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I can't believe I actually saw that at the theatre. Ouch baby, very ouch.
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And Really Dark Too. Shivers down my spine when Optimus appeared - even if it was the back of his head. I'm so fucking happy now. Michael Bay is my hero - anyone who thinks otherwise can go fuck a camel. This film will own us all!
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I can't open that link, but i'm still pissed about the teaser with the tour group in the Museum of Natural History. The footsteps followed by the Godzilla foot coming through the ceiling. Such atmosphere. Such tension. Such a tease.
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For one, you only got to see three seconds of robots ... for two, said robots don't look like they have much of a personality ... for three, Michael Bay's old gimmick of good ol' boys fighting for freedom, "they have come to destroy us" attackers from a foreign soil only inspires you if you're a hillbilly ready to play some Medal of Honor while wearing your American Flag boxer shorts.
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Now, I liked the trailer in all it's moody glory...BUT it came off like this movie was a cold horror flick!?
What ever happened to having the teaser or trailer capturing the essence of the film / story? IF this is the films mood then Bay failed bringing the transformers many wanted to see to the "big screen." -
Would be pretty fucking bad ass...but ONLY if I get to play Condor!
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That's right Naysayers!!!!!!!
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That was wicked sweet! I think Bumblebee looks pretty good in his robot form, and the transforming action is great.
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While we're making 80s kids' shows into movies. Draco must retain his ruby eyeball.
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Yep, still looks like ass.
Sorry, but these designs aren't bad because they don't look like the originals. They're bad because they're bad, and the ultimate triumph of a design philosophy that says more detail is better than less, which isn't true. These designs are animalistic, over-complicated and just look cruddy because of that. I think looking more like the originals would get asses on seats, and I don't see the point of paying for a licence you have no intention of actually using, but these designs are just terrible all on their own.
The sad fact is that Transformers is a strong permise, and COULD support a decent film. But because of this, it won't get one.
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I'm not going to disagree: giant robots blowing up shit on earth is always a good time. Between that premise, and Michael Bay (who is great at filming things blowing up) directing, and Spielberg's name attached, This movie would be a blockbuster with or without the Transformers name. What us nay-sayers (or at least this nay-sayer) take umbrage with is Bay saying this is based on G1 Transformers, using familiar names, even getting Cullen for Prime, and then tossing the actual personalities of these characters right out the window. Hell if I saw the same trailer and the robots had different names and it was called, I don't know, "Giant Robots Fighting on Earth!" (ala "Snakes on a Plane") I would receive this much more warmly. If you you think the cartoon was just an ad to sell toys, you'd be right. But the personalities of these characters came through and there was a a cohesive story arc throughout the series. Bay's made this film knowing he doesn't need any of that to sell a movie about (say it with me again!) GIANT ROBOTS BLOWING SHIT UP.
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Does anyone else see the connection? Come on! Someone on here has to be older than 14. I don't much care for the new Transformers, but they look like a bunch of trash was magnetized and stuck together ... a wire here, some shards there ...
A better movie would be one where the Americans are helpless to save themselves (cue patriotic Hans Zimmer score) and the Japanese (God Bless 'Em!) just so happen to be building life-sized Transformer toys with AI for kids, though ... and the toys actually save us! Wait ... and Robin Williams can be the mentally deranged Japanese toymaker ... and Joan Cusack can be his hentai-looking kid-sister. And shit ... you can have LL Cool J as a general in the US Military who hates the Japanese, and is really stubborn, but then decides that using toys, instead of weapons of mass destruction, is really the way to defeat the Decepticons (who look like fucking retarded, btw). -
THAT WAS 6 TONS OF KICKASS
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...was the holographic-chopper-pilot-gizmo-thingy. The rest was pure torture porn. Torture that I'll have to wait for 7 months more before I can see whole fucking thing. Dagnabbit!!
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Anyone who's getting excited over a Micheal 'Cocksucker' Bay movie deserves to fuckin die
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The primary links are overloaded. Is the youtube link up?
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I have forgotten about the movie. I have a life.
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The UK English version didn't have any words...making that link pointless. I like the dark tone...looks like an alien invasion movie...which is cool
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For once, the haters are finally outnumbered. Whatever will they do?!
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I'm sorry to say this but...you sound like a big baby. Yeah, a big spoiled brat who is upset that he got the chocolate chip cookie instead of the Oreo.
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Come on mate. What do kids have today you say? Even if it were only everything by Tartakovski and McCracken not to mention cool-arse stuff like Giant Robo (O.K. derivative but no more than transformers ripping on the Japanese robot stuff), that would be more than enough. The roid rage is getting to you mate.
As for Lucas getting the toy rights before the movie, research you disingenous uh, person. The film/story came first, and the licensing rights have been acknowledged for decades as the greatest stroke of luck/studio fumble of all time. The suits handed over the rights precisely because tie-in rights were worth bugger-all back then. If Lucas was so calculating why wasn't there a bunch of merch all ready to go? The figures took the best part of a year to come out! Luck. Sure he may do it precisely like that these days, but give us a break with your revisionist history mate.
Hey, if you think the cartoon was genius then fair enough good for you (my kid is really getting into it now but it still looks pretty lousy - clichéd Sat morning cheap animated drivel to me - this is the old stuff I'm talking about), and maybe repeated viewing warranted more merit than I know, but fair's fair. You can't hold up the original as some pop culture paragon and also slam a movie for playing hard and fast with an extended toy ad. They were just out to make a buck then, and so are these guys now. If we're talking Transformers, everything's fair game. Even nipples on Optimus. P.S. Interesting that my kid who's reasonably oblivious to marketing shenanigans is succumbing to the ads/toy porn and is pressuring me big time for the Trannie toys. I thought I was home free after Harry Potter failed to make an impact!
Boy I hope you're joking there. Darfur. You scare me!
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ne. 'Cause he brings us all together. Flames on Rocky!
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This is a long defunct toy that turned into a car. I had one of those as a child and I am now an adult. I put my toys away a long time ago. Its a mike bay movie. big fucking deal. Movies are not the only thing in life. People slate bay because he made videos for MTV. Ridley Scott starting his career by making promotional clips for record companies and tv companies as did Alan Parker. filmmakers have to start somewhere. As someone who has seen bays films in the past and enjoyed them for waht they were big dumb empty summer films. I Cant understand the hate. its a bit like the boy who cant draw for shit, gets frustrated and lashes out for no reason at those who can draw better. A mans got to know his limitations.
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http://tinyurl.com/yyseuq If they would have gone black and added Optimus saying "Roll Out!" it would have been sweet. I still can't believe they didn't make him a flat-nose truck. Anyways, it looked alright. Not too excited. They should make a "Turbo Teen" movie. That would be the shite.
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...if anyone had been able to produce a link to an actual quote from Bay, saying that this movie was going to be a G1 interpretation, back when I first asked where that misconception came from, I'd feel for you. As it stands, though, the most I've seen attributed to the man is that some of the names will be the same and some of the character dynamics and relationships will be there. He never once said these robots would look like the G1 robots. So he's following prettymuch right in line with the various legitimate interpretations of Transformers we've gotten since G1 ended...keeping the big bad Megatron, the big good Optimus and sticking familiar names on unfamiliar toy designs, sometimes for characters who are radically different than their G1 namesakes in personality and allegiance. What's his foul, again? Oh. Right. He didn't make the G1 movie that some angry, tunnel-visioned nostalgia buffs were dreaming of. Somehow I don't think that's going to prevent this from being successful and, if the trailer's any indication (and I've seen enough trailers to know it might not be), a cool movie about giant transforming robots to boot. But, by all means, continue bitching about the movie you'd rather have had if that's making you feel better.
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You just have to let go of your extreme devotion to the original series. It is dated. Very dated. And I'm a HUUUGE Transformers fan. I grew up with them. You just have to understand that if they kept all of the elelments of the show, THEN this flick would be a pointless piece of shit. After seeing this trailer, all hope is restored. Come on guys. Let's just pretend that you never read the online script (which by the way is NOT the shooting script), you never saw an early concept design, you never read a character breakdown, etc. Let's pretend it's pre-AICN time. You're sitting in the theater and this trailer shows up. You'd be creaming your pants. Plain and simple. The internet has destroyed that magic for most of you. You pick apart the smallest detail. There had to be changes, plain and simple. The only way you naysayers would be happy is if you saw a trailer will direct adaptations of the looks and sounds of the 80s show. And you know what, they'd look retarded. Bay and Spielberg are looking to make transformers REAL. You couldn't do that with those character designs. The whole VW Beetle complaint for Bumblebee is just as lame. It would be so dated to see him as a VW beetle. It would look cheesy as hell. Normally I'd say sit back and wait for the movie to come out before you judge it... but let's face it, you've already decided that it's going to suck. You've already decided that you're not going to like it. Based off of that trailer though, expect BIG Box Office numbers. Why? Because it appeals to the masses.
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Bumblebee or Starscream. He always get the best lines in Michael Bay movies.
Past that, gotta agree about the, in name only thing.
It looks like it'll have some great FX and explosions and be a fun and entertaining ride. But Transformer has years of characters and stories in its own mythology and I get the impression we aren't going to see much of that in this movie.
Granted it'll likely still be better than the any of the post-BeastMachines series, but I don't see the kind of translation we got from Spider-Man and X-Men.
And if it does get the TINO syndrome. Again the question must be asked. Why take the name if you don't want the history? I mean they could've called it GoBots. Or Clerks 3(the Clerks 2 Transformers debate was hilarious). Actually, the trailer does seem a little more like the GoBots invasion story than Transformers original search for energon.
Of course it might not be TINO and if showed a cool photo realist CG Cybertron that would be pretty damn sweet. CG Unicron would pretty cool too.
Speaking of Spider Man. None of this is going to matter much anyway. After Spider Man 3 comes out in May. Expect fandom will be looking at the rest of the Summer line up and saying "God, why can't they make more movies like Spider Man 3."
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Looks, feels, edited like a military recruitment commercial, sans the nu-metal music, but with CGI robots.
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All the bad crap i've heard form this site, and yet the trailer looks great!
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All the bad crap i've heard form this site, and yet the trailer looks great!
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"Apologist" is the most ignorant term when you're talking about film. It's an attempt to put someone down, or place them in some group so that the namecaller can feel good about themselves. Give me a break. We all have different likes and dislikes. I don't love all Michael Bay movies, but many are pure entertainment. But your attempt to catagorize anyone who disagrees with you is just ignorant.
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It's already pissed all over that crap WOTW flick from last year.
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I know everyone seems to be complaining about the robot designs. But how can you not get freakin goose bumps when the over the shoulder shot of Prime transforming, and those antenna ears were seen. Bay said that they were holding a lot back from this trailer, including some pretty big money shots. Count me in!!!
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There was one shot of Scorponok that reminded me of the early Marvel Comics where the robots were treated to a darkened and cold feel. The sound effects in this and ambience reminded me of Terminator 2.
This certainly doesn't FEEL like the Transformers I knew and loved from the toyline, comics, and cartoon... but this looks like a really cool stand-alone movie.
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i got really giddy halfway through the trailer, until i realized it looked like a complete B-movie.
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Except that what you're not seeing is the product placement that will consume most of the films run time.
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...translate into all this hatred for Bay? De Santo is a co-executive producer on this thing. Not the screen writer and not the director. I would think the words of the director, who's actually hips deep in the project and shaping its ultimate outcome, would be given far more weight than someone who holds a title Harry can get on a film.
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...and it was pretty terrible, sorry to say. Remember: PEARL HARBOR had a great trailer, too.
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Most will come to destroy us!" : Trust a few... Fear the rest!
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Okay, well, it looks good. Who'd expected otherwise? Bay's films always look good. I'm holding out for a few lines of spoken dialog. Still, there is little that compels me to see this. The idea of watching robots beat the snot out of each other isn't enough to get me in the theater. In fact, even less so if those unfamiliar robots with unfamiliar personalities refer to each other by familiar names. We know it is drastically different from the source material. So different that calling it Transformers is insulting and will likely leave me yearning for what should have been made instead of what was. Will wait for cable.
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I can't wait, really really can't wait.
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It's over- you don't matter anymore. Don Murphy won. The film will own Summer 2007. Douche on, little numbnuts, douche on.
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...in Hollywood says "based on." For an example, look at the Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Based on Ed Gein. Okay, so Leatherface cuts off people's skins and does weird stuff with them. The similarities end there. Completely. Or Wolf Creek. Based on the true story as told by a survivor who was unconscious for most of what comprises the movie? Okay... I'm not trying to make an excuse for De Santo. Maybe he doesn't need me to. Maybe he had every intention of making this a faithful G1 movie. But he obviously got overruled by someone. Point is, the very nature of the Transformers franchise is pretty fluid. Character names get recycled and reassigned from iteration to iteration. Sometimes you get a bad guy with a good guy's name or vice versa. Even revisitations of "classic" designs in the toys look different than their 80s counterparts. About the only constants for the American market are the idea of an Optimus something as the primary good guy and a Megatron as the primary baddie. This movie gets that right and makes the designs of many of the characters direct nods to their G1 counterparts (Prime as a big red and blue truck, Starscream as a jet, Bumblebee as a yellow not-quite-cool car and Jazz as a sporty little number). That's giving G1 fans a lot for a movie that's clearly not an interpretation of the G1 storyline.
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newscasts explaining things to me. Otherwise, me no understand! I'll know things are serious when military people get in a room and tell me how serious it is to build suspense! The robots look better than I anticipated, expept the space penis train still looks lame.
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Which I know for about 90% of the people on here is a negative statement, but for me... nerd boner. From what little we see it seems like its going to be very faithful in feeling if not exact plot. Yackbacker, I know I was on your side of the fence for a little while, but I'm excited again.
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...that this trailer changd anyone's mind about the movie, either way. This trailer is exactly what you'd expect from a Michael Bay transformer movie. Did anyone really think the effects wouldn't kick ass? Did anyone really think the robots would have much dialogue? I could run off a list of shitty movies with great special effects, and half of them are directed by Michael Bay, and *all* of them have awesome fucking trailers. There's no question that this movie will look good. There's no question that this movie will have little or nothing to do with any previous incarnation of the Transformers. The only question is whether this movie is going to fall into the Godzilla/ID4/AVP camp or the T2/Spider-Man camp. Given Bay's history, I'm betting the former. And, y'know, *that's* when being a Transformers fan starts to suck. Because a *different* TF movie is fine, but a *shitty* TF movie will piss me off.
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The biggest thing this movie has to accomplish is make the Transformers into real characters. They are NOT giant robot monsters -- even the Decepticons. The fact that this movie is so focused on humans could be a good thing or it could be a bad thing. I guess my fear is that I have never seen a good character-based film by Michael Bay. I have seen entertaining spectacles that focused on destruction and explosions...but every time he had a real character moment, it might look pretty but it comes across as flat.
And this trailer, which I understand is basically a second teaser, is just falling flat. Lots of quick cuts of things shifting and metal moving, but I will hold my judgement until I see things clearer.I mean--he has missed a real opportunity. All he had to do was basically show a car sitting out in the desert or something,--in full daylight. People walk by it and absolutely do not notice it. It transforms into one of the characters, lock and loads it's cool gun, maybe looks at the audience, or a person in frame-- and then walks out of frame. we get a montage of action sequences then the title. End teaser. Audience goes crazy for it.But they are hiding the designs of the characters--because they suck. They know people are unhappy with them and they are trying to say "Hey we made a movie with great explosions which is just like my other movies with great explosions, so don't be afraid. Come to the theatre and spend you money. You are getting exactly what you pay for--nothing new or thought provoking here. Step into my web of explosive lies." And they really need the sound effect from the show. That thing is just tits. -
But Lucas totally effed with an existing aesthetic and narrative structure (and showed a complete lack of directing skills). While I love Transformers the cartoon, I have no existing feeling or expectations of that they will look like in Live Action. I also know that to directly translate the old cartoons to a film like this will be difficult and won't work. All I really want is a big expensive looking action movie that doesn't completely offend me, and I think I'll get that. What really gives me hope in this is the brief shot of the Autobots all driving through the desert. It totally nails the feeling of the old toon. I hope that extends throughout the rest of the pic. But I could be wrong (I never am, Armageddeon kicks ass)
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always crashes firefox, utter bollocks!
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Oh, that's right. This is the guy who gave me motion-sickness with THE ISLAND, BAD BOYS II, and of course, fucked up PEARL HARBOR. Ah, well...This film will make a shitload of cash and at least we have this sweet trailer to sucker us into paying for Bay's newest shakycam trainwreck.
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Wassup with del Toro's MOUNTAINS OF MADNESS? Can't you whip the studio pussies around with your gigantic cock so they will greenlight it?
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Have the robots chase her all around in something scantily clad: Transformers on the Island. Make it so.
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http://tinyurl.com/yl42fp
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bay + spielberg + ilm = transformer at pool lost world t-rex shot = heavenly blockbuster
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Agreed, there are lots of sources, toylines and continuities. Well, how about basing it on at least ONE of them? I still fear, changed source material or not, that this will suck as a movie.
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just give bay the oscar now.
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that will allow Micheal Bay to get his hands on any project he wants, even if he wanted to make Indy 4 with Richard Simmons in the title role.
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But still looks cool... can't wait to see a full trailer!
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Transformers: A Michael Bay Film.
Tyrese is in this movie. TYRESE.
And Shia LaBeouf.
Those are bullshit goats.
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If the bad robots get Shia LeDouche and rid us of his schtik once and for all. Hell, I don't care if the good robots get him. Just do it.
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Cast, director, trailer.
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That movie started out kind of interesting, and then got progressively worse as it went along. I still, to this day cannot understand why NASA signed off on it. I mean, really the message of the movie seems to be we can do it--WE'RE AMERICANS!! Physics? Fuck it? Realistic time frame? Fuck that too. Creating characters that are more than just caricatures? WHO NEEDS 'EM. And the special effects were not all that great. They were okay. There is something wrong about a movie who's plot linchpins on doing a "Dukes of Hazzard" jump in space. With different gravity. Uggghhh....
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I'm sorry, but ANYONE dumb enough to think a movie based off a toy commercial was going to be anything more than just a stupid fun blockbuster...they seriously need to kill themselves now. The movie looks great.......for what it is, some nice build up, great atmosphere, tension, great special effects, bland but good looking cast....should be a great friday night flick.
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And see my comment above for how to 'fix' this movie. You can have all the shit you talk about but as long as the kid gets it in the end, all will be right.
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But it was sooo touching when Bruce and Ben bonded at the end as "father and son"...It's like Darth and Luke, but different.
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Transformers may be based on a toy commercial, but Pirates of the Caribbean was based on a fucking theme park ride and it was still a damn good movie. No one's going to bitch that the movie doesn't change the way you think about the ever-blurring line between man and machine or some bullshit, but if you think just because a movie is entertainment more than art the audience loses the right to bitch about terrible dialogue, flat characters, and idiotic plotholes, you need to see more movies.
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Ha ha. Don't discount 'so bad it's good'.
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Sorry dude....Hope no one sees your wet spot!
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Although I have yet to see the trailer, I'm sorry to see that you are still so venomous towards this movie. TUADMAHS aside, I was hoping for a little more openmindedness from you on this one. Not to worry. We'll always have Brandon Coleman. ;-)
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my god i am soooooo excited. i have (and think i am still) a hater...but but but...so conflicted and guilty!! i hate bay...and tyrese....but love transformers with my all my girly heart!!!but if i EVER had a pool with a transformer crawling out of it..better than bond coming out of the sea!(not that i really dug that but find a suitable comparison in my excited state). need energon now.
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Dec 20, 2006 1:25:45 PM CST
And messi, I'd like to introduce you to PharteGoddPrime
by mr. nice gaius
You two douchebags should get along swimmingly.
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...did he? To date, there's only a trailer with mixed reactions. Is that really a win? Meh.
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in terms of people's perceptions of what the movie will be. Everyone of his movies reached a certain level of entertainment value, but could never go beyond a certain point. When you adapt from a property (whether it be comics/cartoon/book), fans want it to be true to the content to a certain degree. Everyone knows Bay will produce an empty shell of a movie that is filled with explosions. Nothing remotely character driven, so nothing invested into the movie and what happens. That is why for me, this is a rental. (yay Netflix)
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at last!!
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He looks just like the kid from boy meets world in the trailer and hes wearing a strokes T-shirt? What a douche.
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I mean this is nothing like Transformers, it's just Michael Bay's "Giant Shooty Robots with Kewl Explosions: The Movie". Why pay Hasbro when they've removed everything that makes it Transformers? I really hope this steaming pile of shit flops badly so Bay can be sent back to making music videos or porno or whatever low budget crap he came from. Maybe then in 20 years when everyone has forgotten this shite we can have a proper Transformers film.
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...ever address me directly in talkback. That's really saying something. You should be proud.
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It helps to keep in mind that this is only a teaser trailer. Supposedly, ILM is in the process of rendering the film and the first cut is to expected to be delivered by next week. But I don't think they've even started to record the TFers voices yet. So, there is still a bit to do before we see anything more substantial than a teaser. I'll say this, I'm looking forward to finally viewing this trailer bitch tonight. It will lend more credibility to by Gaius Gavel should I be forced to bring it down.
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...before I sent it, that would lend more cred as well. Good grief.
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...the whole different vs. bad argument, and I'm right behind that line of thinking. But then I've got to ask how it's possible that so many people know for certain that this is going to be a bad movie already? I haven't read that early swcr8ipt draft because I've read early script drafts before and they rarely turn out to be a solid indication of what the final shooting script, much less the film, is going to turn out. It's one thing to say one doesn't like anything one's seen or heard from a production so far, but it's another entirely to proclaim the absolute and unavoidable suckage of a film before one's actually seen it. The latter is pretty unreasonable and, unless done largely for humor value, has little value at all (I know, because I've been doing it to Eli Roth since they announced Hostel 2). I've gotten the vibe from many posters that it's a Bay thing...because he's attached, the movie must suck. BUt I get a certain joy from watching Armageddon, cheesy and ultimately weightless as it is, just becuase it's a lot of fun. So it's not like everything the man does has no value whatsoever. And I've read comments from people, some of whom have been on the Nay train since it pulled out of the station, saying how good the trailer looked (obviously, that's a matter of personal preference and, while I agree, I respect that others might not). My point is all this talk of absolute gloom and doom, as if the worst has already certainly happened when the end result hasn't been evaluated yet, just makes no sense to me. Here's a banal example that might pull the gist of this point into clearer contrast for folks: If I was invited into the bathroom to look at a dump someone just took, my natural instinct would be to decline because, really, shit's shit and who wants to see that. But if that someone had eaten something colorful or difficult to digest or had managed to squeeze out a a perfectly coiled shit snake in the 4-to-6-foot range, I have to admit that I'd probably want to see it. I'd be sorry that I didn't have the experience of that shit before it was flushed by someone who wouldn't even bother to look at it. If for no other reason than it would give me something to talk to that person about (or about thata person) in the future. That's not saying that this film will be shit, simply that sometimes even shit has SOME value. Saavy?
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Yeah, I've seen that before but I keep forgetting to use it. For awhile, there was a screen you could view that was like your TB profile which allowed you to set a TB signature (much like the guy from TORN uses). That option appears to have been locked away though. BTW Yack, are you in the Zone?
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and less mood... it was all build up and no payoff. looks like a great movies tho, just a bit weak in the trailer department
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the LIVE actors/plot/etc will make or break this film. And I'm sorry...casting say Tyrese doesnt instill much confidence
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The cliche version of that shot would've been him climbing out of a sandpit (imagine the pool shot in the sand), but no, they made him LEAP like Batroc! And that is plain fucking cool. It looked different and scary. Of course I also thought that Tom Cruise getting knocked sideways into the car rather than toward the camera was a sign MI3 would be good, so what do I know.
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was the machine rising out of the backyard pool with that little girl just standing there. I could be wrong, but who cares. This movie is going to be the next blockbuster for Michael Bay. ___KNEEL___
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I hope one day something which Michael Bay adores is ruined by a pompous, self-important, egomaniacal hack, he can watch it get turned into generic commercial blockbuster fare without a shred of personality beneath the surface. This trailer speaks more to what Bay does NOT want to do with the Transformers franchise than what he does, and the end result is a trailer that looks more like it wants to be 2005's "War of the Worlds" than "Transformers" - good thing Spielberg's the co-exec or he might have gotten huffy. There's no question this looks like an expensive production, and with those rapid-fire cuts and signature shots and over-the-top explosions there's no question this is a Michael Bay film, but none of that says "Transformers". The age of being dazzled by just any old ILM-brand CGI robot is years behind us, there has to be substance and meaning behind them, both of which are built into the Transformers franchise yet both are being systematically abandoned in favor of Bay's self-indulgent vision - a vision of a huge-budget sci-fi/horror/disaster film about humans being terrorized by big, scary, unrecognizable robots that are formed from an explosion of disguise-mode fragments. Transformers are not a tangled mass of tiny pieces all moving around to loosely form a bizarre alien metal bulk, they are not unstoppable killing machines limited only to how humans perceive them, they are not simply horrors from beyond the stars, and they are not supposed to be "reimagined" by someone with admitted alterior motives and no respect for the essence of these characters or this franchise.
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hahaha are you fucking retarted? why would they? you are a grown man now, how retarted and unreal would it look if they had faces and their mouths moved and all this shit. fuck off you haters, seriously
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Is cool as hell...Im an OG transformers fan and so far I like what they've done. As for Mikey Bay, he makes a good action flick...so Im there. I think the Optimus design rocks...the trailer looks killer...so Im officially stoked!
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all you fuckers are really being completely fucked in the ass by this trailer, and you know it, but still find something to try and whine about. like litle pussies. grow the fuck up
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excet shit that i know from this movie, and let me tell you, i am so pumped for this. so i would call myself the general non-nerd public in this case because i have no history with transformers. and im pumped. so will everyone else in the word, except for you faggots who dont like bay
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Where did my "TrashFormers: Less than Meets the Eye" subject line go? Oh well, maybe it was too cutesy anyway.
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i have no doubt every single one of you will see this opening weekend
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die hard moved its release date up to challenge transformers, and i bet they movie it back now, or else they will get owned
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I have to say you are rather delusional. This movie is going to get its ass handed to it by the Fantastic 4 sequel, especially once people see teh Surfer and Galactus, and if that doesn't show you how bad this is, then I don't know what does.
Besides, look at all the films due out next summer. Where is the money really going to go?
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I have to say you are rather delusional. This movie is going to get its ass handed to it by the Fantastic 4 sequel, especially once people see teh Surfer and Galactus, and if that doesn't show you how bad this is, then I don't know what does.
Besides, look at all the films due out next summer. Where is the money really going to go?
Spiderman 3, Pirates 3, Ratatoulle, and Underdog.
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I'm not pretending, I'm not amazed, in fact I'm very dissapointed. I will not attend this movie.
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now everyone will be seeing this opening weekend if you pretend to hate it or not
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you will definatly be there, and you will love it. this is going to be pure disaster flick at its best. and if you werent interested, why are you in here reading the talkbacks and posting? you love it, and you are mad because you are liking a michael bay trailer. its ok, really, it is
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your multiple postings have convinced me..I will be owned, am a retart (what is that exactly?), pussy, take it up the wa-hoo, and a faggot. Riiight...Oh, and I will most definitely choose Bruce with a kid and flying cars (duck!) over a Mikey Bay film.
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its so sad you will be missing out on all the fun just because bay directed this. no respect for spielberg? and why the hell are you reading postings if you arent interested?
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In an earlier post I did state that I will rent it, but I do not plan on seeing it in the theatre. And Spielberg is not directing, so that doesn't help. And I'm reading these posts because clearly I'm bored at work and need something to do. Fortunately, it's time to call it a day. Commence with your multiple postings sir!
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is so worthless to pretend that they still hate this movie, because the robots have no emotions, they look cooler, and they are updated for modern film. damn, i hate when things are made to look more real and modern, and just plain better. but a murphy stooge, ha i think not
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...comes from the experience of often having my older brother call me into the bathroom to marvel at his creations. He's something of a fecal freak. But that site sounds interesting, too. Anyway, glad to hear you're still keeping a relatively open mind to the possibility that this film might not anally rape a nun while fingering your mother/sister or whatever it is that the most passionate haters think it's going to do for them. Honestly, sometimes I think moviemack fell into Frylock's cloner and all of them grabbed their own talkbacker IDs. Oh...and I had forgotten about The Rock. I actually quite enjoyed that. Far more than Armageddon. You've revisited and found it wanting, though? I might have to give it a second go-round to see if I agree.
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I don't know if you should spend more time there per se. But sometimes it's a bit more chill and folks can exchange info and reasoned discussion without the din of Talkback (which I do love).
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Have you ever porked a girl you didn't really like just because you wanted to get freaky. It didn't mean anything, you didn't love her, but it was one of the best times you've ever had? Well, thats how I feel about Armageddon. Not all films can be The 400 Blows. Sometimes you just need to party. Thats what Armageddon is. Michael Bay is to Film what Andrew W.K. is to Indie Rock, and I love them both.
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What's worse? A person who wants to see a movie based off of a 20-year old cartoon with every detail intact, or a person looking to make a movie based off of the cartoon? Either way, you guys are really looking sad. If you want to complain about something, complain about your government or taxes or the need for social change. But bitching as much are you are about details from a 20-year old cartoon is sad and vaguely pathetic.
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This is the same place where people touted the praises of King Kong. You all know there are a few million other people who aren't nerds like us who grew up loving Transformers who are going to see this, and take their kids which they have had by now because they aren't spending all their time on the computer screaming about Michael Bay. This thing is going to print money. Its going to have to be unwatchably bad to fail, and that being said even King Kong did ok.
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No more pathetic than you visiting a Transformer talkback forum with delusions of cultural/intellectual superiority.
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Not really, but i figured it would catch some attention. I have been coming to the transformers talkbacks for quite some time, and i must admit it provides me with some amusement to see how worked up some flamers are when they are not getting what they want. This is a movie based on a hasbro toy line "based" being the key word, some people want the movie to be more like G1, but lets face it...not happening. If some of you flamers, had your way, or if hollywood put some of you together to direct this movie, what we would have another power rangers movie. This is transformers we are talking about not "the house of sand and fog" or "heavenly creatures" the most you can hope for is a fun summer flick with some familiar characters..and if they look different from their original counterparts....good! we are not 6-12 anymore, and times have changed since the transformers we fell in love with...kids grow up..or at least i was led to believe untill coming to this forum. Just consider yourselves geek lucky that it is not ~Joel Shoemaker~ that made this movie and instead it was about sexual shapeshifting robots and instead it was called "Trannies"
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That annoying kid from the Disney Channel is in this...Otherwise I'd slightly look forward to this...
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Then I came back to see even more pathetic dork bitching and it started looking even cooler. Even if I find the movie too shitty, even for a fun, mindless, summer movie about giant robots, I'll still be tickled pink when you tools are writhing in pain over it's huge opening weekend box office. It's always fun when the tortured haters' are all riled up.
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I am tired of all this "all you haters are just mad 'cause of details from a cartoon" yadda yadda. Really, I'm not. I'm first in line to embrace organic web shooters, I have no problem with black leather X-Men costumes, I don't mind Superman having a kid, and I'm not even mad about weird CGI flippy Yoda. I'm pretty easy going about changes provided they somehow serve the movie. But what I'm getting from these changes is that they almost uniformally serve to minimize the characterization of the robot characters. Someone above said this was going to be a "top-notch disaster movie", or something similar. Why are the *interesting* characters in the movie relegated to the role of being walking disasters? Look, I'm sorry, but there's a term for movies that look great, but star boring cliches who annoy you wiht insipid dialogue for 90 minutes: "Fucking Awful". If this is one of those movies (and so far all signs point to yes), it will be fucking awful. The fact that this movie looks shitty has very little to do with Transformers--much like the movie itself.
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That over the shoulder shot of Prime confirms what we've all been bitching about, these Transformations are ridiculously complicated nightmares. Besides all the Rubic's cube pieces all over the bodies, Prime's head needs to transform too? Prime's head is probably the shitter back there in the sleeper cab. "Prime you got a little toilet paper stuck to your lip there."
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One second segments of shit are still shit. This movie will suck for 8,000 reasons other than it bears no resemblance to the G1 toy lines, comics, or cartoons.
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Exactly what is considered Transformers canon? There are that many variations on Transformers already, what harm is this one? As for people complaining that the transformations don't look right; get a fucking life you sad cunts. Do you even know how much work and talent goes into making something that complex move so well? Not a fucking clue evidently. If you don't want to watch this movie when it comes out then fine; go play with your toys instead. Do us all a favour though and keep your critiques to yourselves because its eveident that you don't know your fucking ass from your elbow.
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"This movie will suck for 8,000 reasons other than it bears no resemblance to the G1 toy lines, comics, or cartoons."All of which, story wise, bore no resemblance to each other too. Comic canon was different to cartoon, descriptions on toys even defied the cartoon which was made to sell the stuff. Fuck, even the cartoon contradicted itself.
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Also nobody fucks with John "Jesus" Turturro. And Bernie Mac is in this? I just hope there's more robots than people in this - the people should be the folks you follow around, but don't care about.
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see this movie dont care about the robots having character. why should they/we. it would be stupid to have them move their mouths(i know you never personally suggested this )and try and make us care about them so much. thats not the point of this movie, and it shouldnt be. it should be from the human perspective, because they are doing their business on our earth. there has to be human perspective in there, or it would all be too alien and irrevient and no one would care.
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Oh you know that...regardless of all your negative criticism of a movie that has yet to be released...that you are going to go see this movie anyways.
Micheal Bay, may have made a bomb with pearl harbor, and Armageddon was not the most exciting flick, but he has had a few entertaining ones, the island was okay in my books. Pete Jackson was a hack B-movie director before rings, alot of people ranted about how rings was going to be balls...but he proved his worth and showed that he could make a decent series of flicks...bay has the opurtunity to redeem himself here, and i have a feeling he might be able to pull it off. If he does not then you will have more of a "valid" reason to bash the guy so harshly. Everyone makes mistakes,some people learn from them and some people dont...lets hope bay has, and that we have a good ole "oooh aaah" blockbuster next year, its been awhile, and they wear out CG to the point that even during pirates 2 i was like "meh good CGI" not quite the "ooooh train" jurassic park brought...we need the notch raised alittle from giant CG squids...as good as it was.
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1: No one really gives a shit about canon. Spider-Man, X-Men, and Batman Begins were all very off-canon, but everyone went nuts over them anyway because they were good movies. They were character-driven with good acting and enjoyable dialogue, and all the nifty effects just added to that. This movie looks like a hollow shell using a trademark to bank on an existing fanbase. In other words, shitty. 2: Just because something takes time and effort and talent doesn't mean it looks good. Don't get into a hissy fit over everyone disrespecting the work of the animators, 'cause they're not, they're disrespecting the work of the design team, and, ultimately, Bay for requesting/approving designs they don't like. I suppose that interpretation wouldn't allow you to get all uppity about how much more about everything you know than those poor folk who disagree with you, though. Sorry, carry on.
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If you dont care about canon, why do you fucking care? 'Cos they don't look like your toys? Get a life saddo
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....that trailer fuckin rocked.
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Transformations are to complicated...wah wah, thats all it seems to be in here. I have seen a 7 year old rip through transforming the new starscream toy, and it is alot more complicated then i remember it being when i was a child. Just because your simple mind cannot assemble a toy, does not make it "to complicated" Just means that maybe you are to "old" to be playing with toys in the first place....leave it to the younger bucks grandpa, your rocking chair awaits.
As for the movie transformations being "to complicated" it is a movie! i am sure if it were "real" sentient alien robots transforming would not be a simple task.
nannoo nannoo.
there are nerds, and then there are "the lifeless" come on someone should be making a movie about that! I am sure even Harry has more of a life then us...you only ever see him on here once in awhile with a review, he has parties and "friends" quit your belly aching. -
that teaser kicked all of our asses. period.
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Fine then, I won't say one more word about these shitty ass designs.
Let's instead discuss how this movie is about a boy and his first car (Michale Bay's own words instead of about the Transformers the movie is named after. In the same way, Michael Bay took Pearl Harbor and made it all about a lameass love triangle instead of about one of the single most important events in American and world history.
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If Bay can't make you care about a robot character with their dialogue and body language, he shouldn't be directing a movie about fucking robots. Non-human characters can be just as sympathetic as human characters. Now, if you want Spike in there (understandably), that's fine, but a textbook example of how to handle that is Hellboy: They introduce a human "everyman" into this weird world full of non-human characters, but they never let you forget that the star of the movie is Hellboy. You make a movie about a war between giant robots, you'd better make sure we give a damn about the giant robots.
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obviously, the transformers are going to be the stars of this movie. but you cant have a movie be taken seriously if there is no human perspective/a little interaction. first of all, they are on our planet. second, if they werent, it would be retarted because we(humans) would have no perspective or point of relevance. holy fuck, of course theres going to be plots with people in this thing. doesnt mean the robots arent going to star.
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Are you illiterate? Did you read nothing I said in that post, not to mention all the ones previous? The movie looks shitty because.... the movie looks shitty. I care because I like Transformers, and I'd like to see a good Transformers movie. This looks like a bad one. I'm not sure why that's such a complicated concept to grasp.
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why the fuck should i give a damn about robots fighting on my planet? i dont give a shit about them. they are here to blow shit up, fight each other, and get fought by us humans. good enough. thats all most people need, seeing how this isnt a cartoon for little kids.
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Why should you give a fuck about anyone who isn't you? If a character is sympathetic, most people will care about them, regardless of where they're form ro what species they are. Look at Star Wars, Finding Nemo, Toy Story... People care about all of these non-human, even non-terrestrial, characters. Just because this isn't a cartoon doesn't mean the characters should be lifeless. Empty explosions and fighting isn't exciting or entertaining. There needs to be dramatic tension surrounding it, and that means the audience needs to care about the characters doing the fighting.
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there can be tension between the human characters who are fighting and being fought, but these robots are not for being cared about. sorry, but from what i can tell they are indeed going to be empty, awsome, kick ass explosion makers. maybe im wrong though, you never know, they might try and make us care about them, in which case i say they better do that right. but if they dont try, thats fine too because we have the humans to care about. did we care about the aliens in ID4? i didnt. thanks.
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i didnt care about aliens in ID4, but they were still kickass. i did however, care about will smith and his family. than you.
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Oh yeh...i forgot..the cartoon didn't have a young boy who worked on an oil rig with his father...i must have imagined that. I mean, they were only integral parts of the cartoon, you know, him and bumblebee...in this movie its..oh him and..er..bumblebee.
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WORD! Ain't nothin' worse than a hack director with zero respect for a genre that you care about, who gets' hired to fuckup to something that you (as a youngun') enjoyed. I grew-up on the Wild Wild West & The Thunderbirds and you saw what those soul-less bastards did with those projects. I'm a firm believer, that if you're going to play in someone elses backyard, abide by the rules and don't fuck with the mythology that's already set in place...Because if you don't like the source material, then be gracious enough to pass and create your own shit instead of pissing on someone elses creation, thus pissing off legions of fans to appease your own ego and greed.
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this is pure disater flick. plain and simple. so whats all the fuss about that the invaders(kind of) might not have any likeable or hateable characteristics? i think the bad ones will look scarier, and the good ones wont look as scary. great success!
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First to that "cretin" wcoop893, No I am not going to see this film. I doubt I will even rent it. As for why I care so much, I worked for Hasbro on the Transformers. I have a personal and professional interest in what this film could have been and should have been. Seeing it so utterly manhandled by such an incapable director is hurtful to me in ways you just can not understand. So please, do not talk of things you know very little about.
Hey YackBacker, you let me know what coast you are on and we'll plan to go see something else. Me, I'm westcoast. Oregon to be more precise, you know, that place where the Transformers stories all took place. -
this is pure disater flick. plain and simple. so whats all the fuss about that the invaders(kind of) might not have any likeable or hateable characteristics? i think the bad ones will look scarier, and the good ones wont look LESS scary. great success!
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I can't wait for this flick. It'll squash Pg-13 Die Hard come opening weekend.... with a vengeance!
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...again, and that kind of gets to my "Shouldn't we hold off on making judgements based on script leaks, character designs and out-of-context stills?" And if we know we can't judge a movie by its trailer (we do and we can't), then that really only leaves seeing how the fucking thing actually turns out before we call it a shit, drop the magazine and reach for the toilet paper. Am I the only one who remembers moviemack and how passionately he proclaimed, before ever seeing the film, that Batman Begins would be a cinematic abortion? I'm sorry, but frothing Bay haters and TINO shouters are all coming oiff exactly like he did and look where he ended up after seeing the film and being forced to admit it didn't suck as badly as he needed it to. He pretty much imploded and got banned trying to prevent his inevitible fade into irrelevancy. I don't want that to happen to you guys. I like you guys...well...maybe not messi. But the rest of you guys are okay.
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However, it's not a disaster flick, this is supposed to be the Freakin' Transformers. Sentient machines from another planet whose four billion year old war spills out onto earth soil. We should care about Optimus and his Autobots. We should love to hate Megatron and his Decepticons. THEY are the characters of the Transformers, not the humans. The humans are the supporting characters. I know you don't get that, and that's why you are blind to how bad this film is going to be. Bay dropped the ball on this... he made a movie about humans with Transformers as the supporting characters. One would think that in a film called Transformers that it would be about the Transformers.
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It's amazing how often he gets brought up in talkbacks; stuff of legend.. Good analogy though Childe but wasted; hiding behind a poor early draft of a script is the only thing they can hide behind without sounding like douches. Truth be told, the upset has nothing to do with Bay or the script, its that the robots dont look like the toys. If Bay were to have made something that they wanted to see, they'd all be sucking, (his cocaine numbed), cock.
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Now I watched the Transformers as a kid and I thought i pretty much knew all of them but for the life of me I can not recall this Scorponok.
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THIS SHYT IS GOING TO BREAK 200 MILLION EASY. Can;t say it'll make it to 300 million, but it's a high possiablity.
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Not the one seen in this film is the Headmaster Scorpion/Base from the Transformers: Rebirth. Essentially the last three episodes of the series. In Japan he was called Mega Zarak. Which is close to the name of the bot that was his head, Zarack. Headmasters and Targetmasters joined the Transformers fight on Nebulos, in these last three episodes. This is also very different than how the series went in Japan. At one point in Japan Mega Zarack was even the leader of the Decepticons after Galvatron dissapeared, but that didn't last.
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Between now and 7/4/07, one of these projects is going to blink and re-schedule its release date. There's no way, with all the money being allocated to marketing and promotions for these projects, the studios are going to risk getting FUBARED by pitting these two movies against each other. I'll bet Fox will blink first no later than March or April, depending on the fever pitch that Transformers is guaranteed to generate due to cross-promotions with McDonalds or BK and all the action figures to be released prior to the release date. Don't be surprised if DH4 opens in June or August.
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Never EVER was the Transformers cartoon about Spike, the show was about Prime and the other robots. Sure there are a few scenes and even a few episodes that highlight the humans, but in the end the show was about the Transformers and their war, and never about us humans.
The recent cartoons have definitely flip-flopped that dynamic, but not G1. If you include Beast Wars as part of G1 because of the appearance of the G1 characters, then Beast Wars didn't even have any human worth mentioning, just a few cavemen, and Beast Machines had zero humans period. -
Aside from the fact that i have read so many of his posts and do not agree with all of them, he has a very valid point. You guys are going to burn, and lose alot of credibility for toasting a movie that you have not seen. Trailers are decieving, and say little about the movie it represents....reserve judgement for the movie itself.
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At least Transformers the Movie was ABOUT the Transformers. Action or not, we gave a damn when Prime died. His character was that damn good. Characterization doesn't have to be boring... in fact it shouldn't be. If it is, then you've done something wrong. Like Michael Bay.
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So why include characters like Spike and his dad, and his girlfriend? Or in the movie, why include Daniel? Why such big roles for such sideline characters? The humans on earth and their role in protecting it was just as important as the Transformers themselves. Your argument that this talks about people more than the transformers themselves is rediculous. For one thing, you've not seen the movie, just read an early draft. Secondly, if there were no humans, there'd be nothing to care about; just robots vs robots. That's why humans played such an integral role in comics and cartoon, because it adds an element you can relate too.
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If only i'd seen that BEFORE my last post i could have saved myself some time. Though what you're shouting at me for is another thing altogether.
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I don't get it? Why do some get up in arms over hummans being in the movie. How else are the TF's supposed to be introduced.
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"GIANT FUCKING ROBOT SET-PIECES ARE GOING TO BE SOULLESS EYE-CANDY!" Transformers is about, get this, Transformers characters and their stories, not about how the Titanic crashed into The Towering Inferno on Independence Day before getting eaten by Godzilla. All the shiny ILM graphics aren't going to change that.
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Anyone see the Iron Giant rise out of the swimming pool? It's a cool Iron Giant, it's just not a cool Transformer.
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Dec 20, 2006 4:30:51 PM CST
There's fuck all wrong with having humans in this movie
by theallseeingeye
It's just ANOTHER rediculous excuse to roast this flick because it's not a design for design remake of an 80's toy range.
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...and wearing a "Strokes" T-shirt. Childe Roland, you make a good point, but it should also be noted that equally as much optimism has been misplaced in the past. Trailers always do this, the hopefuls feel vindicated, the cautiously optimistic get excited, and the skeptics get even more skeptical. Considering the number of times these so-called summer blockbusters have fallen on their faces in the last 5-10 years (maybe not in money pulled, but definitely in quality), it's definitely a safer bet to be a skeptic.
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That's why Daniel and Wheelie are such awesome and popular characters. Spike, Sparkplug, Carlie, and Daniel are characters that were supposed to reprisent us. Their roles were not huge. They were the connection that allowed us to get into the Transformers world. Their roles were important in that sense, but aside from that, they were secondary, except for Spike who floated between secondary and primary character depending on the story. As for their role in protecting it, I can't remember how many times Autobots came to save Spike's ass when he tried to help. At least Sparkplug helped Ratchet fix everyone and that was mostly off screen.
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I've seen people contradict themselves on here so many times but never in the same fucking post. Thanks for admitting though that they need humans to make people fucking care. Incase you hadn't noticed, the majority of the people on this planet aren't nostalgia freaks, they aren't transformers fans. If he made the movie you're fantasizing over not only would it look it shit, but it really would be shit. Remember, that most normal people require human interaction in their movies, unless it's a cartoon, in which case maybe as a Hasbro employee you can get some Gen1 cartoons made cos the new ones are fucking shit, (and you all love them).
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And likewise, Spike saved the Autobots on a number of occasions. Desertion of the Dinobots is the one that really comes to mind from the cartoon; i shall flick through them later to see.
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Hows it going lads this my first post but i had to say something about this movie. Like some of you have said i too was waiting for something more substantial than the teaser(which was a bit crap, as beagle crashed because of bad British planning and engineering LOL i hope). I was more worried as there is a lot of negative perspectives of this movie. Like some of you i liked Michael Bays armageddon and bad boys 2 but i detested Pearl Harbour(I got it on Sky Box Office i paid a fucking fiver for it) as it was just a load of sweaty balls. I also thought that the island was bays best film to date. The reason it was his best movie was one thing NO JERRY BRUCKHEIMER, as it was on his previous 3 movies. JERRY BRUCKHEIMER movies are all furry coat and no knickers. I honestly believe that this movie is going to be the one of the biggest hits of next summer. The trailer was spot on very minimal especially with the sound and the overall theme. It did not give anything away and it was the right decision not to have any of the robots speak a word. I am from the emerald isle and have showed the trailer to all of my friends and they agree with me that this movie will be awesome. Cheers lads. PS i was mistaken about anything i said please please let me know. Cheers
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Well well well. Lets see Gany has jumped back on the bandwagon cause of a trailer, ASE is back no longer arguing the Theoretical aspect of blocky designs working in 3d, Phartegodd(I'm not Don Murphy)Prime showed up to put his two cents in, And wcoop has joined in with the rhetoric. Now that we have a list of the Bay/Murphy Yes men (AICN staff member not included) let me give shout to Yack, NonS (glad to see you doing well bro) and to HNS. I saw the trailer at Siebertron.com last night It was Great.............. for me to poop on! First kiddies A trailer can be edited several hudred ways you can cut it to look like horror movie or a comedy. You didn't hear a single line from a Transformer. You didn't see that Sam spends the first 35 minutes of this movie trying to get into that broads pants. all you saw was some explosions, some B-list actors (minus tuturro, and Ajie's dad. and a few Hand job shots of the TF. No virginia there is no Santa Claus and No Phartegodd Prime This Movie will own my ass.
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That looked incredible. Those of you who say this looks dumb better be some damn fine giant-robot-movie-makers. Show me a better one, and I'll reconsider my opinion.
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Not that I have much say in the creation of cartoons there, I'm a former employee. Still, look for a G1 resurgence this next year. In all honesty though, the majority of people ARE fans of nostalgia. The fact that remakes do so well in theaters is proof of that. People like the connection of something familiar. Transformers fans or not, it's the familiar that they gravitate towards. As for the film that I want... I seriously doubt it would look worse than this, and as for how it ran, well we'll never know. Not unless someone wants to give me Bay's job. I'm sure a trained monkey could do just as well as he is. As for the need to have humans in order to care. I never said that. I did say they needed to be there to make the connection, but they should be used as a vehicle to draw you in. The Transformers should then be able to hold our attention without the need for the humans holding our hands.
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Ahh...i'm glad someone remembers cos i nearly had to mention that shit again..Save me the trouble will ya? I'm not going to go into the depths of why reviewing an early draft is wrong but i will ask you this. If humans really do play such an integral role as you all believe, why on earth did they enlist B-list actors, (your words, not mine even though it's true), instead of Hollywood heavyweights? I was thinking it's cos, well, the Transformers were the stars.
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See my last post re: B-List actors. Also, i would disagree that everyone wants to see old transformers. Sure, they remember it but that's about it; they sure won't care about flames on Optimus etc etc...As someone who was more a fan of the comics rather than the cartoon, (which lets fact it were poor, admit it!), I'm probably more open minded about change than the hardcore fans who, i assume, suffer from Aspergers or some other mild autism to get so worked up over toy robots.
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Because a B-lister in a summer blockbuster that is signed on to make a trilogy has the chance to boost his or her career. The other reason. COST. As much as they are going to spend to polish this turd they couldn't afford to spend 10 million on Tom Cruise, or Hallie Barry. Not that I would ever want them to go there... could you imagine how bad that would be? I shudder to think.
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Bay and Co approached the b-listers..they didn't go asking for the job. Most blockbusters, ala Pirates of the Caribean, have A-List talent on the payrole somewhere, (though Orlando Bloom barely falls into that category). You're right though, it would be shit having A-List actors because that really would detract from the transformers themselves. As for cost, well, FX are pricey but they could have easily put some good bread aside for talent should they have wanted it. I'll stick with my theory, the people in this flick are b-listers cos they AREN'T the stars, just a necessity.
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Did you read the script NO TFs speaks till around PG 62 out of about 124 Pgs this movie is saturated with Humans. I myself said Months ago that the Humans are vehicles to show how evil the Cons are and how heroic the Bots are No more no less. You want have a slut in the movie Bring in Black arachnia You want a gung-ho marine You got Ironhide. Just like the few iterations of the NEw TF cartoons there are too many humans Now somebody E-mail SuperNinja and tell him to get his butt in here.
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It's not a final script. Show me the final shooting script, let me read it, and then i'll tell you what i think. I'm not going to base my assumptions on a draft thats marked well before shooting began in earnest.
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I know a girl. 23 and she barely remembers the Transformers. She's not a fan... not by any stretch of the imagination. However, the things she does remember. Bumblebee was the yellow VW Bug, and Optimus Prime was a big red flat nosed truck. What do you think her reaction was to this? She looked at it and simply said. "That doesn't look right, I don't remember them looking like this. This sucks." This from a girl who remembers fondly the my little pony...
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can you honestly say that all the leaks have not confirmed that script. we all read the screenplay for X3 in October and it was Spot fucking on.
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Bay has already stated that aside from a few minor changes they are using the script dated in February to shoot from. Unless they are rewriting as they shoot the thing what we've read is pretty close to the film you'll get.
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They've shown elements, but thats far from confirmation that the script you've read is close to final. Big difference there. I'll go back to Childe Rolands moviemack analogy. He too read an early draft, he too raosted it, he too looked fucking stupid when that movie came out. I'm just not prepared to look like that imbecile in anyway. I'll reserve judgment until i see it. First impressions are more often than not, deceiving. I'm kinda reminded of the end of pulp fiction; sewer rat may taste like pumpkin pie etc..it's all perspective. I'm all for people hating what they want, when they want. I just think until it's seen on screen then all bets are off.
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That loon, Don Murphy, has contradicted everything that Bay has said. I've not read that. I just remember Murphy ranting that the leaked script was not final. Oh and Phategod. While X3 was shit, it surprised me how much better it was than my expectations led me to believe. Superman Returns on the other hand was very disappointing, and by that i mean it was shit.
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Superman Returns was shit.
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I enjoyed the darker approach they went with for the trailer, and I understand they're still keeping the bots behind a curtain, so to speak, but the character designs are still pretty sucky- love the shots though (the Bumblebee faceplate and over-the-shoulder shot of Prime in particular). I like the bot designs' feet, as they do add more realism to the original character designs (whereas most of the other changes, like the hundreds of extra, uneccesary pieces to transform, make the designs far less realistic and kinda silly at that). I'll still never understand why they (mostly) abandoned the armored centurion look that characterizes what a Transformer is. think the original designs were too blocky? There are a hudnred different medium compromises to fix that without going to the other extreme end of the spectrum. It really speaks to the fault of the designs that, other than Prime and Bumblebee (and, perhaps, Blackout), you can't really tell who the bot characters are in the trailer. And hell, if Bumblebee hadn't been yellow, he wouldn't have been recognizable either. That's definitely a major failing of the character designs.
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As I said, there are plenty of movies where nonhuman characters are cared about. Why is this a disaster flick? The only way a disaster flick works is if you've got real human drama, and I'm just not expecting that from Bay. You bring up ID4, but that was a movie that looked great once and after that was just painful to sit through because it was *so* *boring*. Transformers could be way, way better than that, and for someone who wants to see a good TF movie, delivering The Day After Tomorrow sucks.
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GREAT PREVIEW DOES NOT = GREAT MOVIE! Especially in the case of Michael Bay. But, I must say, I thought the preview kicked ass. I've yet to like a Michael Bay film completely. Please, live up to this preview.
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Come on that sound reminds me of a dying deer not a mechinized robot changing.
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How else would you describe a situation where alien robots come to earth and start 'blowing shit up'. Hardly tea in the park is it. Also, where does it say no one will care about these transformers. I mean, if Peter Cullen is voicing Prime, i'd assume there's something there to care about.
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When did I say the movie WAS shitty? I said the movie LOOKS shitty--because it does. I'm sorry, but comparing this to Batman Begins is a terrible analogy. BB had Nolan, who is awesome, Bale, who is awesome, along with Michael-fucking-Caine, Liam-fucking-Neeson, Gary-fucking-Oldman, etc. etc. I don't give a damn what some TB assclown says about it, that movie had "gold" written all over it from day 1. This movie? Michael Bay. Shia Lebeouf. Tyrese. Bernie Mac. I don't think I'm being unfair here.
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I hope they change this before it's too late
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Shouldn't the Transformers be the main characters?
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Is that little girl holding another popular 80's toy? Was that last scene some sort of veiled reference to how much more powerful boys' toys in the 80's were compared to girls'?
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Is that Batman Begins DID have a naysayer, that DID read an early draft, that DID hate everything he saw.
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So I am suppose to care about the arc of the American Pie kids character and not the trasformers? Nice Strokes shirt, if this was 2003.
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It just knocks out power, it doesnt blow up everything.
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WTF are you talking about a script for????? there were a couple of lines for fucks sake and now you are judging it by that and that its from a leaked script. I know Bay can make a film look good from its trailer(pearl harbour) but for fucks sake give this one a chance. From my perspective(Ireland) this is going to be the dogs bollox, there are too many of you clinging on to the memories of the 80's. Can you imagine them using the models of the 80's in this film you would be better off with lego bricks. Times change people grow up and dont fanatise about their transformer models still in their origional wrapping. Fucking hell this is what you all have been waiting for.
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Need a robot face underneath it?
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Disaster movie implies that the destruction is unthinking backdrop, ala Earthquake. As for the characters not being hollow--Well, if A: The script has changed dramatically since the leak, B: the screentime ratios are greatly misleading based on the preview, and C: a previously uninspiring director suddenly develops an ability to develop likable characters, then it may well be good. However, the last time I said that, we ended up with X3, which was nearly as shitty as I expected. As I said to Roland, I never said the movie WILL suck, I said it LOOKS like it'll suck. I have little hope for it.
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...that when they are trying to sell something that they are worried won't be taken seriously by the audience, they have to build up a tension that preceeds a guy from the movie -- usually a general or authority figure -- saying "Oh my God"... then explosions and mayhem and shit immediately follow his words?
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No difference. Saying it looks like it sucks implies that it will suck.
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Batman Begins having a naysayer base don an early script makes me cautious. It doesn't make me write off everything I know about the people making the movies. However, so far this production seems to have gone exactly according to my worst fears about a Michael Bay movie. Again, I don't hate the guy, but I've never seen any reason to think he's in the habit of making good movies, either.
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The Screenplay we read months before the movie started filming it's the same thing we saw In the theaters. The tripe we read in August is the same tripe YOU'LL watch in July. wcoop has all but said that all he wants is a Dumb Fucking movie where shit blows up. He thinks that the TF's should be devoid of an character because (There Robots.) Well here, we have what is widely regarded as either a Noob, or a dumbass. if he new anything about TFhe would know the appeal they had was the fact that they all had different personalities and characters all there own. But wcoops represents "the Lowest common denominator" the Dumb-Repubican-Blow-shit-up-that-aint-american. movie fan the perfect Micheal Bay fan. NOTE: that was not a dig on Republicans Personally I think Sen. Mccain was and still is the best canidate for president. You Allseeingeye are far more intelligent and I tend to think you want more out of your movie experiences then 2 hours of Explosions Bad puns and bad rappers (DMX has been rumored heavily to play Jazz). You know the type of movie bay makes and intelligent aint it.
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Is that megatron?
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Again, let me clarify: I am NOT asking for the original designs. I don't care that much, as long as the movie's good. But for everyone talking about how ridiculous they would look if they weren't "updated"--you are wrong. I'm sorry, but you are wrong, wrong, wrong. Numerous fan animations, dancing-car-commercials, and animation tests have shown that. Come on, imagine this shit with some serious money and time behind it: http://youtube.com/watch?v=6ZVvkoCKR7I
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Where are you? Please explain yourself? You piece of whale vomit. Your stooges are eating this shit up, but I refuse to bow before you.
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Semantics? Uh, no. If I say it looks like it's shitty, I'm not judging it the movie, because I haven't seen it, I'm expressing my despair at the likelihood of the movie being good. If something were to come along that DID look good about the movie, I'd be ecstatic.
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on this trailer.
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Any word on the theme song?
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The draft we all have copies of was dated February and they started principal photography in May, so that's roughly 3 months between. But within that 3 month period we are supposed to believe that the script changed so significantly that it went from shit to cinematic gold?
Nevermind that every goddam set report we've been given confirms every scene mentioned in the "changed" script. Nevermind we've seen photographic evidence that Sam's football hero scene is still in the movie.
And there it is, this movie begins and ends with Sam being the primary focus of the entire film. He's trying to get laid, he's buying the car, he has the MacGuffin, he does everything in this shitfest, and he even gets to rescue the AllSpark (or whatever they're calling it this week) and kills Megatron.
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I knew X3 was going to be shit simply because it was announced and in theatres 7 months later; i didn't need to read the script. That said Superman was in dev for ages and, IMHO, sucked worse than X3. As for Michael Bay, his track record is, as far as my tastes go, poor. But i did enjoy the Island and on the strength of that i'll give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. Like someone mentioned earlier his films have gotten better without the Bruckheimer connection. It seems to me, and this is why i can't figure it out, that aside from people just having a pathological hatred of Bay the main reason for hating this is it's NOT the cartoon. They don't look like they remember. I'm all for nostalgia and i would fucking love to see another cartoon series in the same vain that G1 comics were brought back. Simple fact is, i'm not so bothered about the flames, the car types etc. I think another point that people seem to be missing here is that this is the first film of many planned, for you, me and everyone else out there, familiar with the old stories and characters we could jump straight in but this isn't just for us. It's for the new kids who get to see it too. I'm intrigued just how much full screentime batman had in full costume in Batman Begins. You gotta start somewhere you know.
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This Piece O' Shit Opens Opposite DH4 therefore my bait and switch ticket scheme got that much easier.
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I can sum that up for you in one word, TheAllSeeingEye -- CHARACTERIZATION. The robots always had distinctive personalities that often corresponded with thier alternate form. Bay's robots are not considered part of the cast. They're merely walking set pieces given what has been leaked so far. Consider the number of lines that only certain robots have been given. That is alarming in and of itself.Now, perhaps you're in company with that bowl of peaches wcoop893 who wrote, "see this movie dont care about the robots having character. why should they/we. it would be stupid to have them move their mouths and try and make us care about them so much." These are the words of someone that doesn't understand TF. Considering it has been speculated in this TB by other that his is a 'stooge' of Murphy's speaks volumes as well.
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It should be Shia La Belowshit.
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My Mother is in town and we're having Christmas early tonight.
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You are stupid wcoop893. I don't give a shit about the Robots, I want to care about the Autobots kicking decepticon ass! Michael Bay Bullshit!
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Sorry clown. But the cartoon characters bore only slight resemblance to their comic counterparts. The cartoon stories only had only, minor, common elements to the comic stories. They were totally fucking different in so many ways. Here's one..Grimlock in the comic, not stupid, Grimlock in Cartoon = Idiot. Matrix of leadership in Primes head, Matrix in Primes chest etc etc. Though that changed i think when the movie came out. As someone who owns nearly the entire UK and US runs of the comic, i'm something of an expert on the Marvel TF universe. The point i was trying to make, (and one which you so eloquently missed), was that Transformers is kinda like the Quran, (and theres the fatwa on my head), in that it's seen by many fans in many different ways. I fucking hate the newer TF stuff, despise it. The question i was posing was, given that there are so many iterations of the TF universe, which one do you bring to the screen?
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It's the Autobots and Decepticons who deserved to have the most characterization. 80% human story bullshit!
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that is all
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The Island wasn't terrible, but one up-swing from a career of mediocrity doesn't really give me hope. *Especially* as the Transformers themselves, by all indications, just aren't the focus of the movie. If the movie comes out, and it turns out that Prime has the same depth of character that Hellboy did in the flick--or, hell, I'd be happy if he gets the characterization of Raphael in the first ninja turtles movie--then I'll give him credit. But as it is, I've seen really no evidence that Bay's going to do anything more than I expect: stick a bunch of cardboard human characters around a bunch of giant robots who get next to no dialog. And a bad movie is one thing, but a bad Transformers movie would keep a *good* Transformers movie from getting made, and that's annoying.
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And wish your mom a Merry one.
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That trailer was dope! I actually really enjoyed it and now I'm actually looking more forward to this movie than I was before.
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Really man, that looked just awful.
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How do we not care about Bumblebee being insecure because he's not as badass as the rest of the Autobots? How can we not care about Optimus Prime making every decision to benifit both the Autobots and the Humans? How do we not care about Ironhide being a stubborn hardhead and Ratchet being Compassionate? How do we not care about Starscream constantly trying to usurp Megatron's power? These are characters. That's what I remember most about the cartoon, these were robots I cared for. Look, I don't care about flames or cameros and yes shit blowing up is cool and all, but this movie will win us over ONLY if the essence of the characters are in tact. Am I wrong?
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good man yourself TheAllSeeingEye this is no Jerry Bruckheimer movie, Bay made a decent flick with the Island and not just a popcorn soggy saddle bags movie like his previous ones. I cant say give him a chance as this is his fifth movie but come on everyone just snap out of it
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Think someone will cover the song for this flick? Complete with a cheesy 80s music video that heavily features background laser lights? Maybe they could get Mark Walhberg to do it...
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You asked for an answer. You got one. All nicey nice too. But since you demanded it, we can play it like this then, you fucking dick with ears.I didn't have any exposure to the cartoon until the 1986 movie. My source material was Marvel's comic. I didn't bitch when I found that the Dinobots were retarded and the cassette robots were mute. Although I would have preferred Meg's number two to remain Ravage instead of Starscream. But you should already know all this since you a fucking expert on all things I only think I might have known at some point.Ultimately, shit stain, the look and feel was mostly all the same between the comic and the cartoon. Visual changes were minor at best. Most importantly, you puss ridden anal scab, is that all of the robots in both the comic and in the cartoon had personalities. In fact, in all versions of the TF mythos, the robots were characters themselves. The opinion I outlined clearly, the one "you so eloquently missed," is that he robots in Bay's movie appear to be shaping up to have little, if any, personality. What has leaked has given us no reason to suspect otherwise. Wake up, 'clown'.Now, do you really want to continue in this fashion? I'd prefer otherwise, but will post to suit.
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and it has nothing to do with bay. IRAQ. people are bored with iraq and so a big budget film which is partly set in iraq, will turn people away regardless how awful the script may be. I have a challenge to those people who bitch on here endlessly about bay and others. Lets see you people make a film. at least try. come up with an idea or ideas. put them on paper. develop them. script them. send them in.
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Do you think Bay has the ability to create Characters from Scratch that Trailer did nothing there was absolutely no acting. has rarely had to create a character, he had Bruce Willis play the same character he's play 2,000 times before, and Will smith and martin Lawrence played themsleves, And probably adlibbed 75% of the script. Bay is not a competent filmaker the most antithical thing that can be said about bays movies is that they are smart.
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I am not well versed with the modern Transformers with the exception of the Energon series(which i could not watch as Optimus Prime was way too corny) but i do appreciate that there is a lot more out there that i know fuck all about, also fuck the 80's song i know it was nostalgic but you have to be a sad fucker to still want it in the movie. I do remember it been played in the episode were prime is brought back to life to combat the virus, but leave it where it was in the past cheers
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Actually, from the top of the head it looks like Optimus. Optimus always had that rectagonal grill on his forehead. So, this looks to be from the end of the film (or the beginning). If it's the end, it's a shot of Optimus after getting blasted by Megatron way the heck far away, and getting up, even after all of his armour is gone. Either that or it's his intro after falling from space. Just my thoughts.
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...bruh-uth-thur.
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Anyone who can't find even the smallest amount of enjoyment or fun in that trailer needs to just kill themselves. You obviously lead a pitiful, joyless existence anyway, so do us all a favor and eat a barrel, k? Thanks.
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Right on emeraldboy, you are spot on. Transformers the cartoon has been reinvented over the years and the movie is just another reinvention. How many of you were giving out about beast wars, armada and energon and still went out and bought the different characters when you were adults.(please let me know if there were other shows or products available). This is the new concept & i think the Decepticons look menacing(fucking evil just look at their faces, and that the autobots show that they give a shit
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No, You ignored my main point because, like most stools on this site, you have a chip on your shoulder and simply jumped at the chance to try and put someone straight. I asked the fucking question first so you're the one who has to give the answer. And since you're the only person to actually attack me with an attitude you were treat with the fucking utmost contempt that you deserve. So, to ratify, you were asked a question and you failed to answer it. That either makes you a) Stupid or b)Ignorant. You pick which one fuckwad.
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I think the Spiderman trailer kick the crap out of this poor excuse for a trailer and if you that trailer showed of anyone acting talents or showed the Transformers emoting or expressing themselves just kill yourself, you have the taste of a barbarian, and probably thinks that Ridley Scott is the chick from Alien.
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Didn't make my dick twitch even once.
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Since i've not read the early draft or have any intention of reading said draft i cannot comment on what Bay has done/will do with the characters. I'll leave it to when i see it to make my mind up, if it's shit i'll say it's shit. As far as canon goes, timjimslim hit the nail on the head; there are so many variations to the TF franchise that i'm surprised that Hasbro directors don't recieve letterbombs from the fans of each iteration. But, it's a mixed bag. I love the G1 stuff but hate everything from Beast Wars onwards. Some people who love G1 love Beast Wars too. Some fans love it all. There's always going to be an unhappy party somewhere, it's just unfortunate, for you, that you happen to be in that party. There are plenty of people who posted above who are TF fans and loved what they saw. Despite Bays involvement i'm happy to wait until July. It's alot easier on the old blood pressure not worrying about it now.
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"No, You ignored my main point" No I didn't, Ricky Retardo."jumped at the chance to try and put someone straight." Really? I though I offered an objective opinion on a question that was asked in hope to continue constructive dialog, fuckface."I asked the fucking question first so you're the one who has to give the answer." And I did. So counter it instead of underscoring the magnitude of your intelligence. Wait, they do have intelligence on your planet, right?"And since you're the only person to actually attack me with an attitude" I didn't attack you. I attacked wcoop893. Your subjectively misinterpreted it as an attack on you. By writing, "Perhaps you're with" him, I implied that I hope you aren't. But I tend to forget how the subtle is forever lost on the feebleminded."you were treat with the fucking utmost contempt that you deserve" Well, fuck your poodle too, pal. Missionary style."So, to ratify, you were asked a question and you failed to answer it." No. I answered it. But you have no counter and would rather continue this perceived threat upon your oversensitive, menstruating person. Have a cookie!Now, with that out of the way... Did all other TF incarnations have character? I believe they did. Does Bay's version of TF appear to have character? No, it doesn't. Care to provide your constructive opinion? If you can't, "That either makes you a) Stupid or b)Ignorant. You pick which one fuckwad."
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I asked the question..and you failed to answer it; what you did was shoot your fucking mouth off. If you feel like a cunt that's your problem, but by all means, keep posting your drivel if it helps you feel superior in some way; you obviously have confidence issues and hey, talkbacks cheaper than a shrink right? Here's another question for you, what part of that trailer proved there was NO character to those Transformers? I eagerly await the chance to ignore your reply based upon the precurement of an early script.
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If you believe that the differences between comic and cartoon were minor at best, you are definately the biggest douche here today.
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But people still see his movies, and they make money. Go figure.
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If not for the general public, who are movies made for?
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Things transforming into other tings? check. Lots of things blowing up real good? check. Teaser shots of the two CGI leads? check. Man getting stepped on by giant robot? check. Flying tanks, killer (sound) waves, meteors, man dangling high above something while being held by the hand of someone else, glass breaking, bus getting cut in half, creepy thing coming out of water... this is looking like a hell of a popcorn flick.
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What do you think this movie is for? Entertainment? No..it's another toy promo in disguise.
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But why is Bay trying to set the tone of a scary/thriller movie with this trailer? Oh yea...because he is Micheal Bay thats why. He gets away with fucking shit up royally like everyone else in Hollywood.
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this is why i never screamed foul...looks badass
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Guess we'll see when it hits. By the way...no more meteors transporting alien life forms should be allowed to land in cornfields. When you're a thirty ton robot from space you don't have to be discreet about your entrance. You just drop in and start kicking ass.
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"what part of that trailer proved there was NO character to those Transformers?" The parts where they didn't speak. The parts that showed way more explosions than people and way more people than robots. Which is code for 'all of them'. The fact that this looks nothing at all like any variation of any TF storyline ever presented before, ever. You know, that whole 'canon' thing you've been barking about."I eagerly await the chance to ignore your reply based upon the precurement of an early script." Yeah, the one you stated on this very TB that you didn't read for yourself? The one you supposedly know nothing about? Yet, for some reason, you know all about?The script where a robot "speaks" by randomly selecting radio frequencies in order to 'talk'. Great characterization there. Also the same script where the robots utter around 8 lines in total. FANTASTIC characterization!Funny how you persist with this childish and amateur posturing, that which I continue to give you a means to opt out of, yet it is I who you find to have a confidence issues. Whatever.Since you've elected to ignore my reply, there is hope to bring this discussion back to some semblance of construtive discourse. So I'll try to bring this back to rationality -- What from the trailer gave you reason to believe that the robots will have character?
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have a Chevy emblem on its grill?
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Didn't see much of something in there to make it all make sense... Gotta give the effects team a thumbs up, but that won't save it... If the story ain't there, it's going to not do so well... Ok, I say first week, it'll kill the box office and be No. 1, we'll see after that.. Remember Superman Returns? 200 million total gross of box office take after over 120 days in theatre, now that's a huge fucking disapointment, should've done that in the first 60 to 90 days, hell should've broken Spidey's record, but they fuked it up, and after the first week... It went off the Box office charts and into the Phantom Zone... Now... Massawyrm, can you lick Bay's ass even more? You see 2 minutes of not much and you make it sound like the damn thing is the best movie ever made!.. Man.. You post bad fucking reviews, and suck way too much balls... Guess that's why you,re still part of the Reviewers of AICN... You suck their balls every Tuesday and Friday they let you post...
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Okay folks ... everyone here is obviously looking at this through differently tinted glasses. I'm pretty moderate ... I loved the Transfomers as a child, and I liked the cartoon movie enough to forgive the theme song, and I even liked the new characters in it ... I don't like any of the new toys (for one, they're all made of plastic and fall apart) and two, even the dinobots were a stretch ... to make a whole line of toys based on metal animals is just ridiculous.
That all aside - this trailer was boring, boring, BORING. The lack of music maybe did that for me, or the weird cuts ... and yes, there are so many cliches in here. The meteorite in a cornfield, Michael Bay's GI JOE-ish posturing of the US Military ... that scene where all the officers are just staring into space listening to the "one and only clue," that soundwave? That was so schlocky, it wasn't even funny. The robot coming out of the pool with the little girl just wandering what the hell was going on? Schlocky, too, and done before ... Robocop 2, Predator 2, etc., anyone?
"You want some candy?"
But I bet you could do that with every scene from this upcoming "blockbuster." Woohoo. A totally non-memorable homage to Transformers or another cash-in on an old franchise?
It all looks bunk to me ... and I repeat my question posed way earlier - maybe Trey Parker or Matt Stone can answer me: Why the fuck is Michael Bay still making the same movie over and over again? I mean ... doesn't this thing look like a copy of Independence Day? Or 2,000 other movies that we've already seen ...
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...you reason to believe that the robots will have character? Well that,s an easy reply... The part where they shout at the helicopter and.. euh no wait... The part where Optim... no wait... How 'bout when Starscream goes thru building and... no wait... ... ... euh... What was the question again?... Character? Oh.. euh... it's .. euh... well... euh... I guess when Tyrese the ex-model runs thru sand and poses really well... no wait... You win!!
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Was messing around... Or at least I hope so...
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When I read that I spit out my soda. Hillarious.
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Nothing. No one went to the Predator saying "They better get it right" No one went to The predator with a preconceived notion of what the Predator should be. Gany You know exactly what Starscream should be, You know he's a lying scheming Traitorous bastard. And you Gany a Starscream fan will be pretty pissed if he is a loyal lap dog that speaks "dial-up" SPIOLER Decepticons speak Dial-up modem. that looks pretty faithful to the script. Gany your Willingness to accept shit will be your downfall. and no this will not lead to a Macross movie. The same way that Matrix movie did not lead to a DBZ movie.
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Why do they need to be in disguse if nothing we have here on Earth is a threat to them? Why pretend to be a helicopter to get inside a base, when you could just roll into a base without needing to hide? What is the point of being a giant scorpion? Why does it need to hide in the sand if nothing we have can stop it? Are they trying to hide from the Autobots? Oh shit, that giant scorpion seems natural, better go on my way.
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Oh ... and on character of robots, the menace of evil ... which some people on here think the Michael Bay-Decepticons display, where's the depth of the old cartoon?
Although you could say you just watched Transformers for the battle scenes, even as a kid I knew the bad guys had depth to them ... Starscream constantly trying to take over, the loyalty of Soundwave, the cowardice and adolescence of the Stuntacons ... where's all that going to be with a bunch of clicky, metal insects?
Michael Bay doesn't know menace ... you have to build a fallible, yet intelligent bad guy to create menace ... Darth Vader, who betrays the emperor in the end ... the Predator, who kills a lot but has honor ... if you make your bad guys completely one dimensional, how are you supposed to root for them? We loved Anthony Hopkins as Hannible Lector, even though we knew he was insane ... that's what Megatron should have been ... the fallen angel, the Devil ... once good, now corrupted. Ah well.
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You forgot to mention the talents of Bernie Mac and Joe Don Baker. Shining beacons of oscar worthy excellence.Oh, but, uhm, they aren't doing voiceacting for the *characters* from Cybertron? They actually play 'meat' roles in this film?And the lead actor is Leia LeBoush from Return of the Jedi? I mean -- That annoying, smile-and-other-emotive incapable potty mouth from Holes, Constantine, and I-Robot?And it is directed by Michael Bay?There is no reason not to anticipate this film with great... anticipation. Were MST3K still around, that is.
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If all the Transformers are from cybertron and have been fighting a huge war for centuries, they must have some sort of culture which would mean personailities. Unless Bay tries to go with the transformers just being created so that they fight on behalf of some other race. If they do have a culture, there are a lot of questions to be answered,like how do they procreate? When do they decide to, "hey, lets make some mroe models". Or do they just leave it to chance? Why not make every model super powerful? Why diversify? Why make a bumblebee, when you can make a ton of optimus primes? They must have some way of deciding. All of which they'll never discuss, they'll just be props for Sam or the Americna Pie kid. fuck.
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YOu just touched on something the movie intends to address.SEMI-SPOILERSam knows the location of the Allspark, which is a device that can give life to an automaton. It is speculated that said robot would mature into its own personality in this movie timestream of the TF mythos. That is providing the TF in this variation are capable of growing an individual personality above and beyond mere sentience.
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The Transformers Movie sort of explained some of that ... when Unicron ate a few of those robot worlds, they were building mintenance models, contruction models, and they even showed male and female robots, which is weird ... but I doubt Bay would take any time to worry with details.
This movie is, the more I think about it, just like those blindly patriotic country songs, or the "us vs. them" mentality that many people had after 9/11. To hell with worrying whether or not the robots have a culture ... let's blow stuff up!
The fact that the Decepticons have been reduced to mere props in this film is a little disappointing, and hopefully, the trailor just made things seem that way. Am I the only whacked-out fucker who likes to root for the bad guy to win?
And as far as making sense why these Decepticons would need to be in disquise, you're 100% correct and hilariously so. And now when I see the giant sand scorpion, I'm going to think of Monty Python ...
"What is it?!"
"It's a wee little scorpion. No problems there, obviously."
"Oh, okay ... move along then."
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Dec 20, 2006 8:48:46 PM CST
Looks okay. Maybe it's something I'll catch. Still...
by orbots commander
this is a movie with Tyrese as a headline star. When was the last time you saw a good movie starring Tyrese?
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Like I said.. You win... ps. How the Fu** do y'all post with columns and shit??? Do you insert HTML tags??? WTF??? and Bernie Mac and Joe Don Baker are truly worthy of Oscar excellence!!.. oh.. you were talking about the awards show? I was talking about the Broom comapny that makes great Snow accessories for you car... Then i totally agree with you... Who thinks Tyrese will win best supporting actor? MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH!!! God almost made me piss my pants on that one!
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Imortal: thanks for the heads up, I didn't know how they were dealing with the alspark idea.
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Optimus Prime had an orgy with a toaster, a vaccum, a microwave, and a lemon (which explains BubbleBee's color and original model)... Yet Megatron had one with a popcorn machine, a printer, an atari game and the Paris Hilton Cd (which explains StarScream's backstabbing)...
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Bionicle stock... Once this movie is out, every kid out there will confuse the Transformers with these Bionicle toys..
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You would think we would have had a live action Robotech movie by now. The Zendradi would proably just come off like the aliens in Battlefield earth. The mech's would be changed around to look at different. They would get some teen stars to play the characters.
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So they get from planet to planet by being in a different from and crashing into it? Sounds advanced to me. They don't have the tech to at least have some sort of spaceship? Hell, they're from a cybernetic planet, and they can't make a decent spare faring vessel?
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Michael Bay must have snorted a good line of coke off a hookers ass before he cut that one.
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As much as my geeky self enjoyed the footage of Venom at comic con, I have to say the next summer will be owned by Megatron. All hail the fascist robot commander.
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What is from stopping the Deceptions from just nukeing earth and taking whatever they want?
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Couldn't the transformers just download and upload whenever they want? Are they afraid of death?
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Wow. Can't wait for those TV shows to get their shot at big screen, unintentional hilarity! And we can finally see if the little green lion was gay!
I think a great idea for a comedy would be to pit Johnny Knoxville and the Jackass crew against the Decepticons ... imagine ... Steve-O eating a stick of lit dynamite and farting it out of his ass onto unsuspecting robot hordes! Knoxville riding a shopping cart into Scorponok's rear-end! Oh the funny ...
This Transformers movie really looks stupid. And since when did popcorn movie become synonymous with retarded? I hear so many people defending this with that term, "Popcorn," like that makes it okay to be Paris Hilton-ish?
At one point ... Jaws, Back to the Future, Gremlins, and the Goonies were all considered "popcorn," too ... and they managed to actually be smart enough to watch twice.
I think the correct term everyone is looking for is "shit-infested," not "popcorn." I dunno ... could be wrong. -
Wow. Can't wait for those TV shows to get their shot at big screen, unintentional hilarity! And we can finally see if the little green lion was gay!
I think a great idea for a comedy would be to pit Johnny Knoxville and the Jackass crew against the Decepticons ... imagine ... Steve-O eating a stick of lit dynamite and farting it out of his ass onto unsuspecting robot hordes! Knoxville riding a shopping cart into Scorponok's rear-end! Oh the funny ...
This Transformers movie really looks stupid. And since when did popcorn movie become synonymous with retarded? I hear so many people defending this with that term, "Popcorn," like that makes it okay to be Paris Hilton-ish?
At one point ... Jaws, Back to the Future, Gremlins, and the Goonies were all considered "popcorn," too ... and they managed to actually be smart enough to watch twice.
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...did Tamagotchis get so bloody big and stupid? That trailer showed nothing like what I know of the history. Typical Michael Bay. All explosions. Do your research man!
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Why would they make themselves look somewhat human in form? Don't they have the tech to just fly and hover anywhere they want? No anti-grav tech? Can the Decepticons fly in this movie but the Autobots can't?
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agree that some trailers or teasers are hatchet jobs and the whole, final product can be disappointing? Strangly, I thought the AvP trailer looked half way decent and the movie turned out to be far from my expectations. I'm not going to dress up like Grimlock and wait in line just yet. I'll wait until this site reviews the shit out of it, singing the movie and Mike Bay's praises before I decide to buy my ticket.
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So the Deceptions in this movie have at least two models that can fly (jet/helicopter), while the Autobots have to drive everywhere? Umm.
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Prime, a Decepticon jet is attacking Europe! We need to do something, but we are in the U.S. Hurry drive to the coast, book passage on a boat. Or contact a plane, and maybe we'll be able to deal with Decepticon attack in the next 2 or 3 days!
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I think most of the people here want to be wrong about this movie. But the instant you attach a hairbrain 40+year old jock to any licensed property all the stuff you loved about said franchise flies out the door. It's worse then attaching a Japanese Director to a American Comic book movie and expecting cinematic gold. Just remember one thing Boys and Girls (and if there a girl here, I'd love to get your number wink wink) Micheal Bay said ultimately "this is a movie about a boy and his 1st car." Put that in your peace pipe and smoke it.
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driven movie based on the G1 Transformers.
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This movie has the potential to be the funniest thing ever!
I can't wait for the scene where the stereotypical black gangsta sees a Decepticon walking through downtown LA ...
"Damn, nigga! You got some fly rims on that ride!"
Then the car transforms and it says a witty line of robotic dialogue ... oh wait, that was done in Batman Begins ... my bad.
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How far into the movie before someone says "God help us all" or "God forgive us" or they explain what EMP stands for...any bets?
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are the autobots rollin on dubs?
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A Macross movie (or Robotech) would get me more jazzed than TF and that's saying a lot. SDF-1 on the big screen. A valkyre fighter against a full grown Zentradi...droooool.
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Everyones favorite Producer stated on www.Sycophant.net That a little extra will added to the Trailer Tom.
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Dec 20, 2006 10:16:00 PM CST
wait...why does scorpanok have retarded looking eyes?
by s0nicdeathmonkey
like big, googley eyes?
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IT was rad too, but the movie sucked. This is one of the best trailers I've seen, the sound is great, and the look and feel are very compelling, not what I was expecting at all. But the movie will suck.
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The trailer still Rocks!!
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Very cold, mean and insect-y. Are they guns as well or cameras (the pupil/trach down the middle)? Anyway what sort of eyes should it have? Same as all the others? Don't sweat it, man.
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did anyone else notice the girl was holding my little pony copy when (starscream?) steps over her? Reminds me of when someone wrote in the talkbacks: can you imagine a bunch of thirty year old women bitching online about the new my little pony movie?
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You want characterization? Then look no further than a scene that takes place in Sam's backyard. Sam's parents interrupt a meeting between Sam and the Autobots so Ironhide offers to kill the parents. Prime tells him no and then Ironhide replies with, "They will feel no pain.", and this scene is not presented as a joke, this is a serious conversation.
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Okay, still not a fan of the bot mode designs. I will be vocal about that forever. However, the tone Bay and his DP have gone with in this footage we've seen is better than I thought it would be. However, every bit of this trailer still confirms that they have gone with that horrible script. There is still the '80s kid in me that wants to root for this movie. But there is just so much going against it.
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Was that John Savage???
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Its not transformers.
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Stop fucking giving away the script ESPECIALLY if it hasn't changed much. I don't care if it's predictable but who said you were the arbiter of taste and disseminator of information? Whether idiot-face no.1 predictably dies or not we don't need you deciding to ruin it for us particularly if as you say there's not much to it. All the more reason. We're not all anal G1 fanboys around here and we don't need you appointing yourself God to make a point and spilling the beans - it may well be shite I'm not disputing that possibility but we'd rather find out for real. A simple "I told you so" will suffice come the release (because we all know you'll see it so you can prove you were right all along). As for characterisation Shia LeBoofhead doesn't have one line here from memory either so apply the same logic or shut up. It's a fucking teaser is the point.
P.S. Maybe I should spoil the big twist where it turns out a next-gen autobot has taken the form of a plush My Little Pony and in the next cut after the one we see it transforms and exacts it's terrible revenge. -
Its in the script.
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...in every one of his movies! Don't you have any new ideas, man?
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half Vader that script is shit, This movie is dripping with it. HNS is just trying to give you a whiff of the shit you'll be smelling in Summer Now They said they removed this aspect but I'll believe it after you tell me about it but In the early draft Prime and megatron are brothers and in a flash back scene the following line was said "Twin Sons United under the destiny of the primes". That little Shitlet is permanently scorched in my brain.
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Dec 21, 2006 4:11:59 AM CST
You fucktards that are mocking Joe Don Baker.....
by judge dredds dirty undies
Have you ever seen Edge of Darkness? For that alone Baker demands your respect. Shia Lebouf and Tyrese (whoever the fuck he is) can fuck off though.
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WTF. Wasn't he in leonard PT. 6?
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That looked great. As long as you go into the cinema not expecting the Transformers from your childhood (and who will be?) this looks like a blast.
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...of the original comics. He was one of the first headmasters with the insane Galen living in his head. And then his head was ripped off by an Autobot at some point. Anyway, he was excellent.
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hate, hate, hate, movies. hate is not criticism. when a film is being made or put together the studio doesnt sit down and say hmmmm....now why dont we make a film for the fans only. Movie studios dont work that way. if they were to make fan only movies, that would alienate the rest of the audience ie the general public who have forgotten about transformers. the us has a population 300 million and do you really think they will all know about Optimus prime, Bumble bee, the decipticon. I doubt it.
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For some reason I slept for twenty straight hours. (!) Anyways, now that I got to see a bigger version of the trailer, I'm still not impressed. Yet, for some reason, I added it to my Quicktime favorites.
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I was a shade too old for the ‘Transformers’ in the eighties but this trailer rocks. I’m so there opening night. Judging by the size of this talkback I won’t be alone.
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Dec 21, 2006 6:33:59 AM CST
Phategod, I don't know what you're implying...
by judge dredds dirty undies
But I don't like your tone. I'm gonna rape you!
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Tryin' this again after a goddamned blackout made me lose my post.
Yeah Phate but Cool Hand Luke cancels Leonard out. Baker rawks. I understand we're you're coming from with Nutsack but give US a few more months without the little shitlet eh? If it's really that bad why do WE have to endure it for that much longer? You and Nutsack might have sought it out to see if you'd be outraged, but we didn't.
I think what annoys me about Hairy 'saving us from ourselves' is the fucking conceit, y'know? "I'll do you all a favour and spoil it all so you don't have to even see it because it offended my anal fanboy sensibilities and I know what's best for all of you." I'm putting words in his mouth obviously but Christ on a bike the fucking snobbishness of it all. WHoever said he was like Comic Book Guy was right (can't find it up there). "no you may NOT enjoy this movie because I won't". Dog in the Manger tactics, man. The vast majority of people aren't G1 snobs and maybe they WOULD like to see it and they won't be offended by whether it's 'canon' or not which even according to the fans seems to be a redundant term. The Island was the only Bay film I half liked but I think if he's suited to anything he's suited to remaking a toy ad. My very subjective opinion which I'm entitled to. He's doing me a favour my arse. All would be forgiven with a fucking SPOILER WARNING. At least then we'd have a choice. Fair enough? -
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Would that be with your big metal dick? Which is why you're excited about this movie right? Lotta big transforming extended prongs in this I'll bet! Enjoy I say, fwiend of Dwedd!
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I took 56 screen shots from the 480p trailer and put them here: http://tinyurl.com/uzcdr
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...the Transformer - talkbacks where the most entertaining. Or at least high ranked in the imaginary top ten or something.
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That trailer was excellent. As I said in an earlier posting, I am no fan of Michael Bay, but on this project he has a good team on his side - Spielberg (exec producer), Orci and Kurtzman (writers), Ian Bryce (producer), Tom DeSanto (producer). All of these people have done excellent work, especially in the sci-fi/action summer blockbuster arena. With that kind of talent on board, I don't see how it COULDN'T have an impact on Bay and this film.
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Happened a million times before and it'll happen a million more. Maybe you should watch "Robot Jox". Actually, maybe not!;)
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I actually went to bed, i've got other things to do than debate your retarded observations all night. You'll find though that most teasers don't feature heavy dialogue, so i'm surprised that you feel confident enough to garner a full review of this movie from what amounts to 2 minutes of fast edited clips; sorry i forgot you were came from the planet KnowItAll, you prize tit. Just accept that they aren't making a movie that over zealous Transformers fans will be able to jump straight into, they're building up to something and giving people/kids who aren't familiar with the property a way in. Hearing you complain is definately like hearing Moviemack again. Also, i would argue that the scene with IronHide contemplating killing someone would be quite apropriate; i assume that they've never seen a human before. It'd be nice to live in the 80's still where everyone knew right from wrong but since this movie is really made for Kids and kids these days are totally different to kids of the 80's, it's kinda sad to think that their are 8 year olds out there that will see this, enjoy it and still act more grown up than some people here are behaving at the minute. It's a great Franchise Transformers, it's the only one i stuck with as a Kid and i continued collecting the comics into my teens. But arguing that you aren't getting the cartoon in live action form, (and that's what you are doing, be it the characters or the actual look of the transformers themselves), is fucking fruitless and childish. Oh and you've still never explained why Transformers Armada, Energon, Cybertron or Beast Wars doesn't wind you up in the same way because, despite what try and convince everyone here, they are radically different from G1, as radically different as this movie is.
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talkback...I love nerds arguing more than you can imagine...it's like heroin for me! this is pretty much my only fix until they bring back PJ for the hobbit, so keep it coming nerds!
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Yeah, there's some people on this movie with impressive pedigrees, but let's not forget that Don Murphy is also a producer, and the best he ever came up with was Double Dragon and LXG.
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I'm really hoping now that Bay is out from under the Bruckheimer shadow his movies will start improving. I know The Island was not a Bruckheimer production and it was still pretty lame, but IMO it was one of Bay's better movies. Hopefully with Spielberg involved, he will steer this movie in the right direction, although I haven't been too impressed with Spielberg's Sci-Fi/Fantasy since AI, which I did like (One word...Teddy). In fact, the only sure thing with this movie is that the effects are going to be outstanding, since it's Bay and Spielberg, but hopefully they'll surprise us with a great script, solid acting, little to no slo-mo shots and good pacing. This is going to be a very review dependant movie for me.
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all of them riding together on the road, fantastic.
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I'm just not expecting anything terrific. I still hate the hot pink colors on Optimus.
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Because looking at the trailer, they haven't changed the script on little bit from the crappy 2005 version. The hell with this garbage.
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Because looking at the movie, they haven't changed the script on little bit from the crappy 2005 version.
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...there really isn't much going for this travesty of a film. I thought the trailer was cool at first too, then I saw all the shots from the 2005 script and shuddered.
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Or Go-bots. Irregardless, COMPLETE RIP-OFF of Something.
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for reals
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movies in the past. And I have no doubt this will be fun as well. But as somene watched the original Optmus Prime as a kid.
Saw him and other G1 notables die in the 80s movie. Come back later in the series and then found himself surprsingly engaged by the characterizations in Beast Wars and Beast Machines.
I was hoping for a movie that would focus on the robot characters and there conflicts, both personal and war relates, as the serieses and comics did. And if Sam Raimi, Bryan Singer, or Chris Nolan were doing this, I would have evey confidence that we would see that.
But nothing in Michael Bay's previous work tells me he's the to make that movie. I could be wrong, I hope I am. But right now I feel safer being skepticle wth a hopeful option for pleasantly surprised than being over optimistic then terribly dissapointed. -
I'd love to see Randal go to town on this in "Clerks 3".
I will say this; this trailer is "The Godfather" compared to the "Live Free or Die Hard" teaser that's been posted.
Another interesting edit would be to insert the car carrier chase from "Bad Boys II" into this. Martin Lawrence screaming like Stepinfetchit and Will Smith shouting "Ok! They're Throwing CARS!" Classic. Damn you Michael Bay. -
Didn't you read when I dismissed BringingSexyBack as the loser unloved ass that he is? (and BSB- before you talk of being a man, tell us who you are - otherwise you aren't a man, just another gutless child, disrespected by your betters). IT IS OVER. The trailer RULES. The public is stoked.
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and i am still scared about what i heard about the script, and is till don't like the designs i have seen for some of the charachters, but i still think it'll be a fun movie, and I am still pretty sure i'll be there on opening night.
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Rules what? The running for best mediocre trailer for a summer film?
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no- you see- you love it- 6million hits- well received in town and out- Fox scrambling out of the way. Sorry Sperm Puppy- you don't matter!
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Anyone who hopes the script will magically change between when they shot the movie and the final release is fooling themselves--and has no idea how a movie like this works.For all intents and purposes, this is an ANIMATED move, with the number of transformers in it. That means that it takes YEARS to do all the animation required, so the script has to stay basically the same to support the animated sequences in it. The only thing that can change is overdubbed voices (which is why the transformers have no mouths) adn some re-shoots of the Human actors.The company usually only sponsors re-shoots if the test screening go bad. There will be no time for test screenings with all the animation involved, so you better hope that they fixed all the script concerns before they got to set--OH WAIT IT'S MICHAEL BAY. Never mind. The movie is screwed.
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so precious about this movie and have written it off before it has even come out based on two trailers and some out date stills. When I was growing up in ireland. I saw the cartoon and bough the toy but I dont seem to remember, this being huge in the playground. or all of my friends in primary school having discussions and rows about decipticons etc. I was more of a star wars fan. and lego. and robotix.
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The TB was seemingly about to get dull before Donny Two-Chins' fluffer came around.
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"why Transformers Armada, Energon, Cybertron or Beast Wars doesn't wind you up in the same way"
You make a good point that got me thinking and while I can't speak for anyone else, I thought Beast Wars was pretty cool and did make reference to G1. The others Energon, Armada and Cybertron are unutterably awful and I try to ignore their existence as much as possible.
I'd hoped the movie might actually the series from unutterably horrible recent versions, and maybe they will. But as to why movie gets so much attention good and bad, well it has a larger forum while those other are CNs graveyard shift.
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TUADMAHS ASSEMBLE!!!
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"The others Energon, Armada and Cybertron are unutterably awful and I try to ignore their existence as much as possible"Thank You. Thank You so much for restoring my faith in people and giving me a straight answer. You ignore it as much as i do because it really really is a pile of shit. I remember when Megatron was first shown and the people at Seibertron put up a page saying "This is what Megatron looks like". You know what was funny? They all looked fucking different; the irony of showing different versions of the same character as a template.I guess what i really want to know is, (since everyone is oh so upset that none of these characters are G1), why they would be happy to have characters that look like the Armada/Energon transformers? What's the fucking difference? As for people trying to sell it on characterization. Please, i have to sit through that new shit when my Nephew visits from time to time. It's utterly fucking soulless.As for the Iron Hide stuff i mentioned, ask one of the people above who've read the leaked script about it. I mean, they decry the lack of character pathos and quote a scene that actually sounds like it's building character as proof. Rediculous.
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but i did play with my fair share of the toys and watched the cartoon a bit. my initial response was that they were making it too real and taking it too seriously. but now i can see bay knows giant robots that turn into sports cars can't be taken too seriously. but what do i know. i enjoyed pearl harbor and loved the island.
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I missed you man, I really did. What's it like being Bay's coke mule?
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Dec 21, 2006 12:32:13 PM CST
Audiences aren't dumb enough anymore to watch this crap
by ricky henderson
This isn't the year 1998, when an audience would flock to see a movie like Godzilla, ID4, or Armageddon. We're past the "stuff's gonna explode!" blockbuster hype days. (Look at the box office draw for Superman Returns for proof). Audiences still want their summer blockbusters, but they're not going to buy meaningless, derivate hype. POTC was a fresh, fun change, and that's why it is doing so well as a trilogy. More importantly, the subject material for this awful TF film predates its target audience. Even worse, the film has managed to completely alienate and disillusion all the fans of the original show. Kind of a problem there. Just keeping the spirit of the franchise intact would have been enough, but Bay dropped the ball big time. This movie is Bay's last hurrah once it bombs. His box office draw has declined with every movie he's made since Armageddon, and this is going to land him on rock bottom.
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...but I finally watched the teaser trailer last night and I thought it was pitch-fucking-perfect. My optimism remains firm.And in case you haven't heard, the trailer has been updated today. It now features the voice of one, Mr. Cullen.
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That would seem to indicate that they're pretty desperate for fan support, if they're already changing things in the trailer.
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The second trailer for 300 came out today too. Now thats a movie I'm psyched for...
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I don't think a teaser trailer that breaks the Spiderman download record is in need of fan support. Apparently, the change (or addition of Cullen's voice at the end) was made at the request of Mr. Murphy as a thank you to the fans. I believe it's available at the Official Site (I'm unable to view it now).Badger999: are you the former Man-of-Stool?
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what are you doing? By being sane and reasonable and logical you are screwing up the retards here- they don't know what to do!
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As this trailer shows (with the TFs you can barely see, not that it matters) they filmed that total crapfest of a script to the letter. Even the cheeze with the little girl and her stuffed animal on top of the building. Hackery!
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Still doesn't change the fact that I think Don Murphy is a jackass or that you're a limp-dicked cocksucker.Sorry PharteCoward. I just call them like I see them.
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Nah, I'm not Man-of-Stool, though I unabashedly swiped his "Don Murphy pwns teh suck" line because I am easily amused.
I would still be of the opinion that if they're increasing the pimping of Cullen, then that's to appease fans. Maybe I'm wrong. I dunno.
There's also a logical flaw in counting just the number of views the trailer has. Just because the number of views is high doesn't necessarily mean that all of the viewers reacted favorably. For example, if three million viewers each told their friends the trailer sucked, then that would be disasterous from a marketing perspective. I'm not saying that's what happened, just throwing it out as an example. *shrug*
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They can tell a new story, but if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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I can understand your point about the reactions not matching the number of views. But that stuff doesn't matter to the folks who tally the hits. All that matters is that +6 million people wanted to check it out when it became available.But judging by the initial reactions (with maybe the exception of the latter half of this TB), the response has been surprisingly positive.
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It's really sad that you would take that route, when suprisingly my fellow talkbackers have never sunk that low.
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Cullen didn't sound like Prime. He sounded more like the standard movie trailer voiceover guy they always use. You sure thats Cullen, MNG?
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The one people that speak in the trailer are the newspeople and Agent Pearce.
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In the G1 cartoon, Cullen’s voice was more gravelly because passed his voice through a synthesizer, thus making it more robotic. It was far superior to what I just heard at the end of this new trailer. Cullen doesn’t sound like a hero robot anymore, just some old man. How the fuck do they manage to screw up voice synthesizing that was used in a cartoon 20 years ago?! Seriously, somebody explain that one to me.
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The revised trailer is up. They just added Cullen's voice at the very end. Whatever they did with his voice, he doesn't sound like the Prime I remember.
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God this site is loading slow today.
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I have not yet heard it as I'm unable to view the trailer now. But according to all the TFers websites it's Cullen.
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It may be Cullen, but IMO, they screwed up his voice. The line he delivers is pretty cool though--you've probably read it in the script already. It just doesnt sound like Prime.
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They made him soften up his voice. lol, I'm not even in the "FLAMES ON OPTIMUS=" camp, but damn, I'll speak up on this one.I was expecting something like this...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-0ryoe2hYo
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Optimus Prime's voice! YES! Oh man, that was a GREAT addition to the trailer! I can't wait to see this movie now! I still hate hate hate the flames, but I'll deal with them to watch Optimus lay down the law! After all, he could always get really badly burned (irony there folks) and get a new paint job! I think my fav. part of the trailer is the Decepticon (Scorponok maybe?) running through the bus! In the next trailer, we REALLY need a money-shot of Optimus leading the team into battle and that will tide me over till July...
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felt out of place... but hey, i'm of the opinion they tacked that on at the end for the fanboys, no one else would know who that's supposed to be. so in that case, let it be rushed and somewhat out of place and not sound 100%. I'd say it was 90% there and I'm sure it will be 100 for the movie... can't get mad about them throwing us a bone there...
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That may be Cullen, but it sure aint Prime. He sounds like an old man at a nursing home asking for his meds. How frakking hard is it to put his voice through a mixer and make it deeper, more grating, and cooler?! Its not! Grrrrrrr...
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felt out of place... but hey, i'm of the opinion they tacked that on at the end for the fanboys, no one else would know who that's supposed to be. so in that case, let it be rushed and somewhat out of place and not sound 100%. I'd say it was 90% there and I'm sure it will be 100 for the movie... can't get mad about them throwing us a bone there...
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Shep - that's either Brawl or Bonecrusher cutting through the bus.Guys, come on! The voiceover was recorded YESTERDAY as a simple thank you to the fans. (The "voiceless" one is Bay's official version - the other is Murphy's tip of the hat.) The fact that you don't like Cullen's natural/unaltered speaking voice just proves that YOU ARE NOT REAL FANS!!!You must chill.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fCkE2s4y90Either they made him soften it, or he had a sore throat. ;)
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I mean Free means no charge and as a man whore, YB can't earn money so he has to be free. Rag all you want, the film is MONSTER huge next year.
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Abomination- you are a funny looking sweeb. McClane will be moving well before then to get out of the way of the mighty Murf.
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Dec 21, 2006 2:35:49 PM CST
Even a watered down John McClaine flick beats this crap
by ricky henderson
...and it does so easily. This is your last dance Don.
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ha you are all so pathetic. i knew you all are just complaining to complain, and maybe just because you dont like bay. you fuckers wanted that voice, and you got it, so shut the fuck up. its probably better than george clooney or whatever big hollywood names they were thinking. maybe not though, since you are all a bunch of hating faggots
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I only see shite!
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Say what you will about Transformers but DH4 and McClane = old and busted. Transformers = new hotness. The people will flock to the new hotness.Oh, and PharteGoddPrime = Brandon Coleman's douchebag.
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The Die Hard trailer was a hundred times lamer than the Tranny one. Even I'll admit that! Look past your hate for Bay, Murphy and PharteGodd...
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...that new die hard movie is going to be awful and I'm not holding out any hope for it (it was made by the guy who did "underworld" for christsakes. No John McTiernan = bad die hard movie. So yeah, its gonna suck. My point is that even a lousy movie like that beats this Transformers nonsense. Dolt.
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..when they began publishing compilation books of 'Twisted Toyfare Theatre'. Harry should compile some of these talkback exchanges and publish them too. This stuff is so funny. BOTH sides are right, yet wrong. I'm just gonna go see the movie. Its noisy, and I get a kick out of really noisy movies sometimes. Entropy rules. Shame on them for ripping off Spielberg's LOST WORLD, though. That does look like a cool scene though. I hope the big robot doesn't eat a doggie :O If anything, the thing that pisses me off most is that its so fucking hard to get those oldschool TRANSFORMERS toys. I mean, if its a copyright issue or a bootleg issue, just change a few tiny things or include different weapons. I would kill to have my old Jetfire again. MAKE IT HAPPEN, Hasbro. What, don't you like money?
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but it still does better at the box office than this tranny movie (Yeah I'm borrowing that phrase). Hey, why is Agent Pierce from 24 in this trainwreck? Whither Agent Pierce's career?
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Don Murphy's stooges are sabotaging us, aren't they? Lousy coke mules.
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Seriously, I think you're brain dead. Or you have a room temperature IQ. Or you're some kind of Faulknerian man-child. No matter, I won't waste any time dissecting the drivel that you just posted since it defies all sorts of logic and reason established by mankind over the past several centuries. You're an idiot--be aware of that irrefutable fact. Anyone else reading this should read Vog's post and try not to let their heads explode afterwards. Vog. Ugh.
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pretty lame until PharteGodd showed up. However, him showing up is a double edged sword, on one side me makes the talkbacks some what amusing, on the other side, that Murphy clown puncher adds nothing but pure bullshit and lame insults.
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Did anyone understand what Vog From Dimension X (ooohhh!) just said?!
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Seriously, you're golden. Stay that way. If I read the parts of your post that made sense correctly (and there weren't many, so my odds are good) you're suggesting that because Nolan had pretty much one good film to his credit before Batman Begins came out, everyone trusted him? By that logic, given Bay's mixed track record (people bashing him in this very talkback have admitted to liking different films of his...we've got some who dug on The Island, some who liked the Rock, some who embarrassedly admit to enjoying Armageddon...almost no one who liked Pearl Harbor, though) at least give him the benefit of the doubt when it comes to the possibility that this movie might not be completely devoid of value? That's to address your point. Which, by the way, missed mine completely. You might have zb.brox to blame for that, but I'm going to respond to him next.
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...but that's okay. I'll reiterate. You brought up Batman Begins as an example of a good movie that deviated from canon. That's cool. I agree. But the very mention of the film reminded me squarely of how passionately a certain talkback assclown railed against it before its release on the basis of script leaks, out-of-context images and the initial teasers/trailers. That's pretty much what you're doing here. You can couch it with the whole "Bay's track record" argument, but then you've got to acknowledge that Bay's track record is inconsistent, at worst, depending on who you talk to. As I pointed out above, you've got your Rock fans, your Armageddon fans, your Bad Boys fans and even your Island fans. And that distinguishes him from directors like Tarantino (who's batting about 500 in terms of movies of his I find worth a shit) or Shyamalan (who's closer to 300) how, exactly? Even Spielberg's made movies some people don't like (for me, it's AI and The War of the Worlds). Point is, you can say "the script I read sucks" or "the character designs suck" or "I don't like that actor" all you want. These are matters of your preference based on your experience and they are completely right in that they are right for you. But, until you've seen this movie and know whether that script is the one they used or the design you saw was unaltered or that actor you haven't liked in anything else didn't pull a Tom Cruise in Rain Man that might turn you around on him, you can't with an ounce of credibility pretend to know that this movie will suck. In fact, until someone's seen it, the movie cannot suck or rule. You can bet on what you think might happen, but you might well be wrong and you really ought to prepare for that possibility better than moviemack did with Batman Begins. THAT was the comparison I was drawing for you and the point I was making. Seems other folks got it, but you and messi missed it.
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Well AINTITSHOT aka Phartgoddprime has returned. Took long enough must have been one of those Roman coke parties at Murphy's house. OH yeah seeing as how he kicked all the Transformer fans off of Sycophant.net. You probably signed up to another Forum didn't you. The reason know one gave a crap about RiD or energon or cybertron cartoons, is they never insinuated that they are G1. We knew what we were expecting going in to those pieces of crap and who they where aiming them at. Now Spielberg, Orci, and Desanto Screamed that this was a G1 movie, and they lied there assess off. This is the reason why a lot of us are pissed. Then there is that terrible shit storm of a script. As for accomplished actors it doesn't get much better then John Turturro and Jon Voight, That doesn't change the fact This movie will be shit It. This will not spin off a new staple of 80's cartoons movie. And hopefully we'll get a movie reboot in 7 years. Also good to see you stopped by Sninja.
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I saw the "Extended Trailer" The Cullen thing seems Tacked on, and they didn't run it though a synthesizer.
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They could use the original voice cast, they could use the original soundtrack, and that script would still SUCK. The robots can blow up real purdy, but no one is going to care when that shit sandwich unrolls.
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Hollywood didn't learn from Superman Returns?
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pretty CGI, too. But people clearly recognized that that wasn't Superman. So congrats to Murphy and Bay for alienating the fans that actually made this film possible.
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I guess its cool they didnt have some rock song playing but that whole bit about most will come to destroy us or whatever was weak as hell. what a pitiful trailer.
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weather is fine. :) I hear where you are at it really sucks, though. I suppose Bay & Co. could prove me wrong, but I doubt it. The script is what it is, and it has nothing in common with G1 Transformers, which is what made TF a success in the first place. I can't believe these guys are so stupid.
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That, talkbackers, is what this film is about. Not robot angst, but a weak teenage love story and a meaningless Rite Of Passage TM message tossed in at the end that doesn't even resonate. This film is completely meaningless, except for the robots (the whole point of the film) have non-existent personalities and the humans who take up 85% of the film are the worst stereotypes of the genre. We have all seen this film before, and done better.
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If just came out on DVD so I am going to try to trick a relative into watching it with me!
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It just came out on DVD so I am going to try to trick a relative into watching it with me!
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It must be the hot chocolate.
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'Cos Bionicle IS big these days. There's computer games, DVD's and toys, so,by your own reckoning, this movie should not only be a success for the non-anal transformers fans but also for the bionicle crowd too. Score one for Bay there. Excellent.Phategod. I don't know what point i'm supposed to me missing other than the assumption that this movie will suck for varied, unconfirmed reasons. I mean, first it was the designs, they sucked. But since the good people at seibertron.com can't decide which version of Megatron they like either the point is moot, (and also, it's been explained to death why you can't model those toys). Then it was Bay, who Childe Roland has quite eloquantly pointed out is, despite your best efforts to prove otherwise, accomplished in some genres with fans of certain films. Then it's the script, the script you are all so adamant remains the same despite Bay clearing stating that the script has had additions. Your conclusion that it's one and the same script because it features *some* of the same elements is miscontrued; i challenge you to prove that the script you all couldn't wait to download and read was the finished article. Good luck there. Finally, you insist Bay and Co aren't kinda basing this on Gen1, correct me if i'm wrong here but it certainly lends itself to Gen1 more than the other iterations of Transformers, (which you also admit to loathing), so i'd say the statement they were basing this Movie in Gen1 territory is partly true. Face it. Despite the denials the only thing that most of you really hate is the fact that they don't look like the toys you all love. If they looked like them, you'd have no problems with Bay, Murphy, Characterization, Coke Parties and every other excuse you've bandied around these forums. You'd be all lining up to suck his cock but here's something you probably didn't think of. Kids these days have awesome toys, fucking incredible some of them are, love to be a kid again myself. The fact is, the 80's stuff to a modern kid would look like shit. In much the same way your parents toys looked fucking crap in the 80's.
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It's like complaining there are not enough money shots in a porno, or that the storyline was derrivative, or that it lacked character development. We come to see Robots fight each other. Everything else on screen is a blue balling blasphemy that should not be bitched about. Even if you make an Oscar worthy fantasy movie with a solid script with great acting and superb special fx, the audience will still have something bitchy to say, something like "oh yeah, well the hobbits looked gay".
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I seriously can't believe you'd bitch at me for revealing script details about this abortion when you've come to Ain'tItSpoileryNews and just watched a spoilery trailer. This is a spoiler ridden website, go bitch at Harry and all the rest of the AICN crew too then.
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You are still giving out my e-mail and wishing i'd commit Suicide. You are a sad sack of lard, to go as low as you have. You are a producer and you have to resort to insults when someone confronts you on your hypocrisy. I can't take you to court over the SPAM ACT violations. Wish I could to make you shut the fuck up with your intimidation. Have a shitty day ASSHOLE!
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which is probably a good thing in this case. I don't care one bit for the property or characters or anything about it, so this looks like a fun film from the trailer. You really can't argue with giant robots in most cases...they are almost always tres cool.
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earlier you asked Why some poeple have not bitched about the various version of Transformers well one this website is not dedicated to reporting on C-list cartoons. and two They were not based on G1 and no one claimed they were G1. this movie was supposed to be G1. Now your going all open minded to this movie Congratulation but I just have one question that I have asked time and time again. Did you have to see the Nipples and cod pieces on batman to know it was going to be crap?
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Do you know where I can get a GOOD Dr. fate action figure.
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You're in for big time disappointment. Seriously, no amount of CG or cool jump cuts with robots is gonna make me see a movie. I will admit, it's an effective trailer but what really matters is the end result, and that, my friends, is the crap that the movie itself is gonna be. But hey, it's OK because the trailer is good so the movie must be stellar. Yeah right.
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he is so shiny
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I've been coming here for about ten years and the AICN guys have always, always had enough consideration to give spoiler warnings first. Always. You? No consideration.
As for the trailer, no it's a teaser and your logic is backwards. You've read the script so you consider it a "spoilery trailer". We haven't so to us there aren't any spoilers, it's just the usual clichéd setup and then a bunch of moodycool vignettes. It's not even the spoilers in and of themselves I'm annoyed about as much as your gall in thinking you know what's best for everyone. You don't seem to get that you're not automatically entitled to make that decision for anyone else. Not that I'm surprised, of course - exactly because I have been coming here that long. The movie hasn't come out, right? Do the vast majority who are interested in the movie the favour of letting them make their own opinions especially seeing as you feel so entitled to yours. There. I tried to be reasonable and didn't resort to name-calling or your mock-indignation. -
Looks very Alex Ross-y to me. Which is a good thing. I never cared for the Surfer, but there's an awesome Randy Bowen statue that's all chrome. Damn expensive though.
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The problem is you're apparentely a noob to the Transformers TalkBacks. We've all talked about the scene I mentioned multiple times now. In fact we pretty much dissected the entire script in one TalkBack.
Sorry you weren't around to enjoy the fun, but that's not my fault now is it?
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gany thats dumb truth is Bay wanted to turn Megs into a robot Dracula, he doesn't care about how commanding Primes voice is. Please stop making excuses for this. Have not forgotten how bad Starscream will look and how devoid the relationship betweem megs and Starscream will be.
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Seriously, what utter nonsense. Why would they make such a humongous deal about hiring Cullen only to turn around and pull Prime's nuts off? It's just bad audio created quickly by Murphenstein. I fully expect they'll at least get Prime's voice pitch perfect to the cartoon, they owe the fans at least that much.
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just as prime is my favorite character, starscream is yours and the deal breaker for gany is getting Starscream wrong. IMHO if written well starscream has the potential to steal the show. but alas we have this piss poor writing staff that is vehement about making the humans the star of this show.
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If it wasn't $200 I'd get that Jack Buaer for a friend of mine. but still no Dr. Fate, They Got Dr. Midnite, but no Dr. Fate come on were talking founding member of the JSA here.
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I gotta say this thing is the greatest toy I have ever owned. It is perfect in every way that Hillbilly Prime is not.
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They butchered the paint scheme on Starsream and Megatron doesn't look quite right but Masterpiece prime is one of the greatest collector items on the planet.
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Transformers were around before Michael Bay and they will after he's moved onto his next it movie. Bumblebee looks like a wasp. The round eyeballs look stupid and organic cybertron sucks shit. Go cram a coconut cream pie down your hole Don asshole murphy.
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I got a pretty good deal on the Prime and now I'm scouring eBay daily for an equal or better deal on the trailer.
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0:53-0:54 when the military chopper is on the ground, troops approaching and it starts to transform, you hear the noise (slower/deeper)and with some kind of clanky machinery noises with it too, and then they cut to a different scene then i came on your mom. sorry.
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I wish this talkback could go on forever. I'll say it again. nerds arguing = heroin. I fucking love it!
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I need a link, NOW. please sir, I need it so badly.
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What a blasphemy. What a MTV look this shite has. Was it too hard to make the robots look like in the cartoon ? Those lousy moneygrabbing cokesniffing cocksucking Hollywood motherfuckers killed another franchise. And what the fuck is Scorponok doing there ? I want Omega Supreme, the Stunticons, the Combaticons, the Protectobots, the Aerialbots, the Dinobots, the Constructicons, Ironhide, Bumblebee, Starscream, Megatron, Jazz, Blaster, Ratchet. I don't need no stinking Scorponok.
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I hope your predictions for Starscream are correct, but if they haven't changed the script, I doubt that will happen.
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So, I haven't been keeping up to much. Yack, I was just in NYC in August. Not sure if I'll get back there anytime soon.
I haven't seen the "extended trailer". I'm not sure I could stomach it. Honestly this film is crap.
Messi, I don't have my rant on Superman Returns from this site. If you want I could rant on how bad this film was again and I'm sure if someone wants to take me to see this travesty in disguise and pay for my ticket and concessions then I'll post a write up of this turd that is equally as scathing if not more so.
On another note someone pointed out to me that if Prime's body armor was always the last thing to cover his head at the end of his tranformation, why the hell wouldn't Megatron send out someone to follow him and then shoot him in the head at the exact moment he is vulnerable. I told him that it was because Michael Bay didn't understand the Transformers and so he shouldn't think about it too much or his head might explode much the way Prime's would.
As for why we haven't seen Megatron in this trailer... well Bay didn't want to have people as livid as the last time we saw old anus mouth.
You know what? I like the look of Venom from the stuff they showed on Fox TV a few weeks ago. WAY better than the shit Megatron. Spidey comes out in May and will dominate for a while. Pirates comes out the week before this shit, and a few short days before FF4:2. It's going to steel the thunder from anything that comes out for a while.
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Apparently that's the date on the site under the trailer. Tuesday the 24th? I guess they realized that they couldn't take Pirates and then FF4 and DieHard all at once. At least they're not giving it like a week for an early open so they can pad the box office and claim a bigger opening weekend like Superman Returns... oh wait.
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that's the french release date...
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It was a really cool trailer, I must say. It didn't show that much, but just even to tease us... hence it being a teaser trailer.
What I liked:
- The scene where Optimus Prime stood up while transforming, and Bumblebee quickly backed up and Ratchet screeched to a halt with his siren and lights blaring. I don't know why, but that part made me smile and seemed by Autobot-ish to me.
- Vortex transforming and realeasing some sort of EMP weapon. It was obviously some sort of alien weapon.
- The hologram face in the cockpit (onboard Vortex) flickering and revealing a sinister alien robot face. I read somewhere that the face might belong to Rumble, one of Soundwave's minions but since he wasn't listed as one of the Decepticons it's probably not true.
- Barricade. He looked cool smashing things. I think that was him that smashed the van in two, which was also cool.
- The Independance Day-style feel to the trailer. I like the big and almost hopeless scope that Bay seems to be trying to achieve here.
- The intercepted voice signal from the Transformers. I liked the alien mechanical screech, it was very unnerving.
What I didn't like:
- With the exception of a few shots, this did not feel like Transformers at all. A couple of voice lines from the Autobots and Decepticons would have made a huge difference in this regard. It just seems like a dark science-fiction movie about big robots who blow stuff up. While that's cool and all, Transformers is about characters and the mythos first and foremost.
- No Megatron nor Starscream. We got a glimpse of Prime, which was good enough for me but the other two are probably the biggest players (and I believe the only Decepticons that don't die in this movie) here and we didn't see them.
- The dialogue that we did get. Normally a trailer would have a few memorable lines, but I'm sorry "we will kill you" to a helicopter that isn't following orders doesn't cut it lol.
Still, despite the few negative things I felt it looked pretty polished and it should be a fun movie if nothing else. I think Bay could have thrown us a bone and had a couple of the Transformers speak. It didn't feel very Transformer-esque aside from a a few spots, and I just hope Bay doesn't try and make it to dark. Transformers has levity, and until Unicron shows up there is always hope because the Autobots are there. It will be awhile still before we get the main trailer, but my interest is piqued nonetheless. -
Scorponok looked cool... I liked his claw bearing down on Tyrese and co. while they were running away.
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looks exactly like I expected it to. Michael Bay is a boring.
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Someone posted here saying that there were alot of newcomers here, I wonder if thats because Mr. Murphy basically said "cause the filming is over, all my sycophant who are also Transformer fans to get off my site" (he was more curt but that was the jist. And the truth is Orci and Bay have no master plan, they have no major trilogy, planned There is no Starscream that is going to evolve character wise. This movies only saving grace is the fact it will probably spawn a video-game with subpar gameplay but better cutscenes then the BullShit you'll see on the 4th
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Fer Chissakes. people...
1) It's a Bay film
2) As fer "no acting" scenes...it's only a teaser, edited to suggest TONE, not story...So now we know Bay has (wisely) chosen a darker tone...
3)Movie based on TOY LINE...this teaser suggests Bay is going to deliver better than any geek hoped 4
4) Onlt legitimate question now is whether Robots will take back seat & not recieve decent char. devmnt; fair concern considering Bay's directing
5)If robots are given real personalities/dialogue, their design/s become completely irrelevent...It's giant robots, fer Chissake!
6) bACK 2 the tone...Frakking perfect! Albeit Megatron crawling out of the (what, 10' pool) a litle silly, Huge robots blowing shit up!? Fucking BRING IT ON! Popcorn, Baby, popcorn!
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I agree with you up to the point about hating on Don Murphy. He is a loathsome vile cretin deserving of contempt and ridicule.
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You would think Don Murphy would learn his listen about name calling. Example: Don Murphy said something bad about Quentin Tarainto in a book and Quentin Tarainto went into the restaurant and slammed Don Murphy's face against the wall and bitch slap him.
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You would think Don Murphy would learn his listen about name calling. Example: Don Murphy said something bad about Quentin Tarainto in a book. Quentin Tarainto went into the restaurant and slammed Don Murphy's face against the wall. Then Quentin Tarainto bitch slap him.
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What will you guys be saying when Starscream and Megatron show up for the first time on screen? I don't think anyone will be saying "cool" or "Awesome". More like "Who the fuck is that supposed to be?" or "That's not Starscream is it? Fuck that sucks!" and "That damn sure ain't Megatron!!"
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The non-toy fans out there will, more than likely, just be watching the movie rather than concentrating on how little the characters don't look like 20 year old toy lines. Whether they think the movie is shit or not; it'll have nothing to do with the designs.
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I think most of us agree that over 75 % of bays movies are shit. He makes throw-away bullshit forgettable pieces of tripe there is no bones about it. If you like to sit in front of a screen and vegetate go stare at a test pattern, but I would much more a intelligent action movie. when the hell is that next Bourne movie coming out
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the best way to descripe the script was Masters-of-the-Universesque.
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I am what you would call a pretty big fan of TF, but I can accept some modernization and changes. As long as a few important things are not excluded I will be thrilled like I was at 5 yrs. old getting my first TF for Christmas (Bumblebee). I think if they nail these four important things, it will be successful from a true (not fanatical, the kind who wear TF underwear and have TF sheets on their bed at age 35 heh) fans point of view. Also I have four "wish list" type items that I will add after the original four necessities. 1) Optimus Prime and Megatron's characters. Prime does look a lot like the character from 20 yrs. ago, so that's a plus but the same cannot be said about Megatron. As long as his character is the one we know and love (or hate, for some) it should work even if he doesn't look the same. I am keeping my fingers crossed that he has the big old fusion cannon on his left arm, though.
2) Starscream has to be an arrogant son of a gun who turns into a sniveling coward when Megatron confronts him about being a traitor. I'm neutral about how Starscream looks but as long as we get at least a good hint about what he's thinking about and his motives. Starscream is an important character that needs to be done right if they are going to have some semblance of the original series going on.
3) The Autobots have to be wholesome but flawed and the Decepticons have to be evil but flawed. Not a single one of the TF's were perfect and the strengths and weaknesses of each character have to be apparent. If Bumblebee blows away Brawl (or whomever he fights) with powerful weapons and stuff it won't be very true to the original story. Bumblebee's strengths were his heart and smarts not his combat abilities. Most of the Decepticons(this new bunch I know little about but that's cool... they're not going to be around past the first movie anyway) are ratherly cowardly and hate fighting one on one, despite the fact that (generally) they are more powerful than the Autobots.
4) The human factor has to be played right. I don't dig the military siding with the Autobots, at least in the first movie. The majority of the human race is terrified of these big alien robots. Spike (and later Sparkplug) are the greatest allies to the Autobots... but truthfully the rest of the human race can't tell the difference between the warring factions.
Now here's my wishlist...
1) I like the rumor that Shockwave is going to be in the next movie. Please let it be true! He's the only Decepticon who is smarter than, and arguably as powerful as Megatron. Starscream is a back-stabbing coward who wouldn't be able to take Megs in a straight up fight, but the same cannot be said about Shockwave. That would be good.
2) When Optimus dies (probably in the third movie of the trilogy if we are lucky enough to get one) PLEASE Michael Bay don't screw up the Hot Rod/Rodimus Prime thing. Hot Rod needs to be in the next movie if Prime is going to die in the third so we can get to know him. Hot Rod was a punk, but he had a good heart and tons of potential.
3) If Grimlock is going to be in this, don't use him for comic relief like the cartoon did. There is a lot to his character and his desire to be leader of the Autobots. I'm not sure if having him as a mechanical T-Rex would work, though. Don't make him a sideshow clown.
4) We need to see the combining TF's like the Constructicons and Aerialbots. That would be beyond cool.
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The guy's no Copolla, but for fucks sake, I enjoyed ID4, Armageddon, the Island and other movies as much as Pirates of the Car, as explosive entertaining summer films... they're not the holy Grail, but they're fucking fun, and so too will Transformers be!
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But we all felt that way about 8 months ago but leak by leak anyone who held transformers near an dear to there hearts was shot down. It's funny that you and gany think that Starscream will be treated in the same regard Anakin. There's been no hint at this at all. I agree that the characters are the most important but hollywood doesn't care about characteristics they care about making the most Exxxxxxxxxxreme PG-13 movie they make. So sit back read that hackmaster script get yourself some Masterpiece figures and watch the Original movie till your hearts content.
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when your B/D I'm 11 months from 30 myself. There's no accounting for quality anymore.
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and is that Badboys 2 or 1. and how much did it take to make those mockeries. and guess what Starscream still sucks.
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I saw some duchebag name himslef "Freefingers" with a little fu**ing "s" at the end... Way to go Dimwad could'nt think of one all by yourself??? How 'bout "JerkOffPutty" that woudl be nice for ya...
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I saw some duchebag name himslef "Freefingers" with a little fu**ing "s" at the end... Way to go Dimwad could'nt think of one all by yourself??? How 'bout "JerkOffPutty" that would be nice for ya...
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see that.. wow...
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It's futile to even attempt to say Bay's movies don't make money so please, don't embarrass yourself anymore by suggesting otherwise.What's even worse though is the fact that you all seemed to think you were going to get Lawrence of Arabia featuring Giant Fucking Robots.Really, how the fuck can you do a serious movie where the heroes and protagonists are giant transforming robots?
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on siebertron .com keeps stating that Transformers is not Shakespeare Like there can be no middle ground they ask as if they've never heard of a intelligent action movie. Alien featured a Giant Fucking Alien but did it insult your intelligence? My point is just because something is scifi does not mean that good writing and character Development should fly out the window. it's way too early and post are starting to bleed together so forgive me if I said this before. Anyone ho wants to vegetate in front of a screen for 2 hours and watch a movie full of mindless explosions Knock yourself out. and in all likelihood the only Characters being developed is spike on his quest for draws ooh i think I came up with the subtitle for the sequel.
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They lied about the script they were filming. It turns out, they filmed that Megturd of a script! You can't transform a turd. It's still a turd.
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Sorry... I was really (still am) hoping that Bay will do something good with this.. but seeing the trailer made me realize that they're pushing a little too much on the characters looks on this one than trying to make something great!... I predict that this movie will make 200 millions.. but just like Superman, it'll take 10 times the time it should've to reach the goal... Bay was great with the Bad Boys movies, but this needs more than just blowing things up... You also need a great reason for them to be here and take the shapes of vehicles. If I remember correctly (and correct me on this if i'm wrong) but wasn't there something in the first series about them being protected from something while in vehicle mode? and that was why they had actually taken the forms of cars and shit??? Now can't remember if this is actual stuff, or if I'm cross referencing some other serie?
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Because if this TRANSFORMERS movie flops, then you won't see any more (at least by the current production company). As it stands, they plan on making a TF trilogy. Mike Bay is smart to attach himself to this series because he's lost his ability to make successful movies on his own. He's thinking "I'm guaranteed two more jobs after this one!" Personally, I don't like Bay's movies or his ADD-style of directing, but you gotta give the jerkoff some credit, he knows his limitations.
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Not that the humans are anything other than typical hack stereotypes, but there is even less in the way of character development for the giant fighting robots. The original cartoon was all about giant fighting robots and their civil war. The humans were supporting cast caught in between. Bay&Co. completely reversed this, of course, to save money, but also because they don't care about what made the source material popular in the first place. They just want to make THEIR Transformers.
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If you've read the script you know there are some real contenders there.
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I was wondering about that. The same thing happened when the first TF teaser was released. Seriously, all you critics of Bay, the thought of a Transformers movie, etc. were so wrong it's laughable. Two words for you: Fission Mailed.
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Randy Quaid's kids, Vivica Fox and her kid, her stupid stripper friend, Harry Connick Jr., Harvey Firestein and the dog should have all been cut out of ID4. You axe those morons out of the script in favor of further character development of the leads, and it becomes something a little better than simple disaster porn. Filmmakers haven't learned this lesson well yet.
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I've got a great TF comic collection plus the hard to find UK spin offs and annuals. Yes, there were some great Transformers storylines. I'm not disputing that; infact nothing would have made me happier had Bay and Spielberg approached Simon Furman, great TF writer of all time, to do the script. But, that's a totally different medium that has the benefit of being able to draw it's stories, characterization and anything else you can think of out over many, many issues. Movies are a different kettle of fish. It needs to be something new that people who aren't familiar with the franchise can get into from ground zero so to speak. It can't have the depth of character or story that you or I are used to with the comics simply because it doesn't have the benefit of having a new installment appear each month. When i mentioned Lawrence of Arabia i wasn't being sarcastic, rather i was making a comparison to the epic story arcs that Bob Budiansky and Simon Furman made in their time at Marvel. See, the point i've been trying to make all along is, while you and I would love to see a faithful G1 movie with Stan Bush belting out a rendition of "The Touch" it's never going to happenen because A)The General Public wouldn't have a clue where the story began if they came in halfway and B) While you and I have fond memories, kids and their parents who werent transformers fans won't be into the designs we all know. It was great in the 80's but the franchise needs a facelift. Yes Megatron looks garbage BUT...and this is something many people neglect to think of...that's his Cybertronian form, if this really is a trilogy he will more than likely get a facelift to something more familiar. While it's retarded to think they'd ever make him a Walther PPK it's not unreasonable to assume he'd be a tank or some other weapon. Anyway, that's my take on it. If there's spelling mistakes in my post excuse me, i've just come back from the xmas party and i am, as we say in the UK, totally fucking shitfaced.
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I find it amusing that i'm being branded as someone who "doesn't get it" when thats far from the truth. I love the mythos that the marvel comic weaved for Transformers in the late eighties and nineties. I remember skipping school to go to forbidden planet to pick up my copy. I'm still good friends with the guys there. I think the fundamental difference, is that i stopped playing with the toys when i was 11. From the sounds of it, and i'm not taking the piss out of you here, many people above are too hung up on the designs to get by ANYTHING the movie may have to offer. Yes, i'm familiar with the old designs but, seriously, how shit would a movie look if the Autobots all looked like old cars? I mean, i see old cars on the road all the time and i think, "what a fucking pile of shit that car is", so it's not really surprising that i don't want to see old vechicles on screen. Yes, they could use modern counterparts but that becomes a licencing issue and anyone who has seen me post in the videogames column will know what difficulties lie in licencing vehicles. The fact is, i've not read the script. See, to me that's tantamount to reading the last chapter of a book before starting it from anew. Utterly pointless. Yes, you get an idea but i'm sorry to say that, without seeing the final product, you're script review isn't worth shit. Like Childe Roland has mentioned, Moviemack reviewed an early script for Batman that was unchanged by the time the movie came out and he had to eat his fucking words when all was said and done. Ok, i might not have a toy fetish going on but it's unfair to label me as someone who doesn't understand the Transformers mythos simply because i don't like buying toys. It's fair to say that many of the fucking toy freaks here probably haven't read a transformers comic but rather have their mythos ingrained from the cartoon which was so fucking contradictional, (is that a word? God i'm drunk), between each episode that it's hard to garner any facts other than the ones loosely based around this movie. You all sound like fairly intelligent people, it's a shame that you can't just wait to see the movie come summer. If you think it's shit then, then by all means moan away. But until you see a finished flick any conclusions you draw are misconstrued and unfair. Bay doesn't have a great track record but then again, IMO, neither does Tarantino; Four Rooms and Jackie Brown were cinematic garbage in my eyes but some people do like them. As someone who works in the videogame business, i see people review and preview things all the time and more often than not they crucify things they've never seen. You might not like Bay, but the people who designed the robots for this movie ARE talented people working within the constraints of the medium at hand, in this case celluloid. I get licence modeling for games but there are some things that can't be done and people who have no idea of the job involved feel free to profer opinions that are fucking incorrect. I've stated why true G1 wouldn't work in movies and some of you have managed to grasp the concept; it's a shame that others seem incapable of getting their heads around what is fairly easy concepts. It's great that you love G1; really it is. But movies are not the place to bring that look to life. Instead of wasting your energies on this you should be pushing Hasbro, (you are their customers after all), to commision a new G1 cartoon in much the same way that Gen 1 comics were ressurected. A CG cartoon could work, (again artistic licence is the deciding factor), and i'd love to see it. But as far as live action goes, what you are expecting is just not possible.
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Or are you just some tourettes sufferer unleashing on a fucking internet talkback?
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I DO know better than Bay..While a movie i make would probably not be to the likings of many people here still, i guess it'd be closer to what they expect from the franchise and thus, would result in less whining. Who wants to give me a job screenwriting for TF2?
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WHERE ARE YOU LANDA?!
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I appreciate. Your prior posts did not reveal 1/10th of the amount of thought you've shown today. One thing I want to remind you, and you can confirm it by looking at my earlier posts in this very TB, is that I'm not married to the G1 designs. I understand that designs change from one medium to the next. And my reservations with this movie are not limited to designs alone (even though I DO happen to think they are generally ugly-looking), but G1 is not my obsession. I referred to G1 earlier as an example of good storytelling, and yes, the UK comics are the "cream of the crop" in terms of TF mythos. We agree a lot more than not on the fundamental things it appears, so I take back the remark that you "don't get it." So, here we are, looking at the current project, and in terms of robot designs, like I said earlier, I think they're ugly. I am not comparing them to G1 in my mind, I'm looking at them with fresh eyes. Now what really gets me, beyond designs, is the script. I don't recall if you mentioned it yet, but have you read the script? It's not good. And on that front, I will hold it to the G1 standard. The robots can and should be well-developed characters in any medium. Heck, the robot in IRON GIANT comes off like a more fully-developed character than anything in the TF script. And instead of focusing on the robots, we get a whole lot of meaningless screentime devoted to a teenage kid trying to get laid, some NAVY personnel trying not to get killed and a lot of expository characters in the federal government that I personally don't want to watch over the course of a 2-hour movie. So, in addition to the terrible dialogue, we get to spend the majority of our time watching humans talk about their meaningless personal character arcs. What's great about the original version of the TransFormers is that these robots are individual personalities. The writers and producers on this movie failed to embrace that concept. That's why many of us say TINO. And my own personal feeling is that Mike Bay is a hack-- I don't enjoy his movies 90% of the time, so with a misguided script and ugly character designs, I don't "have faith" in him elevating the material into something I would like. Hey, I'm putting my opinion out there, I'm not denigrating you or anyone else for being optimistic. And to stoopider, your focus on "dicks" tells me plenty about what makes you happy.
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In all honesty, if there were the ability for Michael Bay to make this movie using exact Gen1 models, would you be more inclined to see this movie or less inclined? I was thinking about that earlier in the pub because the general chit chat was total shit; mind i'm drunk and i find i think of things better when i've had a skinful of beer.As for the characterization, right, i know what you are after but remember, the impressions we draw on are based on things we saw when we were kids. I certainly didn't care for character building when i first saw "Arrival from Cybertron", rather i was content to watch it unfold and draw my own conclusions. Sure you say the characters in this movie are bland and unrecognisable, but i'd put it to you that Kids today are a little more "switched on" than we were in the 80's. My own son is 7 and he says things that sometimes make me wonder where the fuck he got it from, it's amazing what they pick up; he once saw a nun when we went out for the weekend and he called her a "Mrs.Jesus" which was funny but really quite clever. My Nephew is only a little older and he sometime comes out with deep things that fucking blow my mind. When i was 9 i only cared about what was on TV when i came back from school and wether or not i was going to be made to eat things good for me. What i guess i'm saying is that kids today are not only sarcastic but a little smarter than we were and as such require a little more human involvement. I wouldn't say that putting the emphasis on Humans in TF film would be beneficial but i can see the need and am happy to wait. I think i had this discussion before with Phategod but humans played a bigger role in the cartoon and comic than most people give them credit for. It's well and good that to say the robots are the stars but, at least as far as the cartoon goes, i never wanted to be Optimus Prime or Ironhide; i wanted to be Spike, the guy who was pals with those cool fucking robots. Of course i've not read the script but i'd say that i'd not want to spoil it and i'd like to believe that there were additions/amendments to the script since shooting/pre-productions began. If the movie comes and it turns out to be shit then yes, i'll be back here eating my words. But i'm happy to give anyone the benefit of the doubt, (with the exception of Uwe Boll and Adam Sandler), so i'll wait until July to make up my mind. I've never really had high hopes for TF movie and i guess, when push comes to shove, if i leave the theater entertained i'll be happy.
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watching were the characters. The toy selling hook is just a gimmick. There are lots of 80s cartoons that never lasted. What made TFs last this long are the characterizations and the backstory dealing with their civil war.
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We must have watched different cartoons 'cos they really were lacking in substance. The comics were the real format that the stories were told in. As for 80's cartoons; it's surprising how many did last; Thundercats, Bravestarr, Centurions, Visionaries and Ulysses are just afew of the cartoons enjoying a cult-status today. That's just nostalgia though. Big nostalgia for me is Battle of The Planets, aka Gatchaman
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I hear alot of comparisons abou Go-Bots and how transformers stomped them into the dust. That's not quite true. Infact, Go-Bots had quite a large following; the toys did reasonably well and Hanna Barberas show was also a ratings winner. Hasbro, seeing a possible major competiton to their own product aquired the licence to GoBots when they took over Tonka toys. They were even integrated into the actual Transformers toy line. For the more hardcore, Takara released a line of Transformers that were actually GoBots and were sold AS gobots. The story being that "the Gobot's dimension is being threatened by a new evil and the key to the universes' survival is being sought by the Gobots in the Transformer's dimension. They are undercover and disguised as both Autobots and Decepticons" The toy collectors amongst you should have seen these from Japans E-Hobby retailer.
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Though my money was on you saying you'd be less inclined. Since you felt the script was an abomination actually tagging G1 transformers into it would have, (at least i thought), sacriledge. Oh well..i guess you never can tell.
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Their stories are not as compelling, and they were copying other more successful cartoons (derivative). If you go back and watch the cartoons, the characters and the storylines still remain interesting.
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can develop a cult following- that doesn't mean it's a large group of people. TF has a con, for pete's sake.
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All I know is that Bay started this thing with a teaser that the landrover found them on fu**ing Mars... that right there was a sign that this might be one nut job script. What we (Yack and TheAllSeeingEye you can correct me on this) want is for them to at least keep some form of the characters, not just out there and go all ape shit with bombs setting off for no reason and for the hell of it. If they do this then why even call it Transformers??? And Box Office will dictate on if the series will last and come back or will it stop right there and be a one movie thing. We really want to see more of this, it would be amazing to have at least 4 or 5 movies for the next 10 years to go out and see, but if Bay messes it up, then Box Office will dictate. Look at The Crow, first movie = Hit; Second one = NoHit; third one = Shit straight to dvd... Want to have this happen to this series? Well there you go, let's get them to try to stay close to what the series were like. Oh and who the fuck is Freefingers??? Fu**er stole my UserName... what a fuckig dickwad! Gotta be some fucking jerkoff who wacks off to his mom's picture... Fucker!
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Instead of about humans and their encounters with Transformers. Every one of these characters is a throwaway character, and they don't put enough emphasis where it counts - with the Transformers. We've all seen this movie before, so unless the TFs are just outstanding THEY GOT NOTHING. And I've read that script, and I say, they've got nothing. They missed an opportunity to make something fresh with relevant themes.
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this movie IS being made for the general public, like it or not. pretty muich the only thing the original fans get is peter cullwhatevers voice. sorry to say it, but it is just going to be a badass action.disaster movie. its not for you guys, because that wouldnt make as much money. bays version of the movie will draw in the original fans(even if they are pissed, they are still going, id bet me life on it) and the general public. and the general public is most important because they are the majority. pretty simple
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i was just making my point. and yeah it didnt make sense, sorry stoopider. but yes, i think i got my point across wel. and no, don murphy is a fat fuck. bay on the other hand, hes badass
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the sad thing about this is that everyone is getting so worked up over it...it'll premiere, the world will turn, and everyone will be disappointed the same way they were for every other Michael Bay film in the history of the world...unless Sean Connery is voicing Optimus Prime count me outta this one...but enjoy the 50+ million dollar opening until he tackles a remake of the A-Team or a explosion-happy version of The West Wing or Arrested Development...give him time, he'll get there...
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"WE COME FROM THE PLANET SHYBERTRON. WE ARE THE HEROIC, AUTOBOTSH FIGHTING A WAR THAT HASH RRRAGED FOR MILLIONSH OF YEARSH"Now that...would really put me off.
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... compared to Eragon. I know I'm an effects whore and it serves me bloody right, but my brain is still bleeding. The pain!
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It's just gone midnight here/downunder. Hope you got the toys you wanted!
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...because everybody knows that we're all going to see this movie one way or the other. Might as well just give in and enjoy it.
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Now now... I'm not going to stand in line and pay good money to see it... This movie is one of the reasons Torrents have gained so much popularity in the last 3 years. When they mess up our childhood characters then we say "nay!" and download the fucker... While I did go and see Casino Royale it was probably because of a friend who had the copy at home and told me it was great. The next day we went and saw it on glorious 50ft screen. If a movie doesn't give the character any credibility, people will jump on the Torrent bandwagon and that's that... Superman probably lost major revenues because of this, while I didn't like the suit at first, I got used to it and told myself that the movie will be great... then .. I saw it... First time in my life since A.I. that I felt cheated out of my money so badly, I mean I saw movies that I was pissed about paying the 10$ to see because they were so bad... But Supe's made me fucking mad. Once I saw the movie... I hated the costume all over again... I told as many people I now not to go out and wait for the dvd to come out. They mostly did and the rest haven't even spent the 4$ to rent it, Torrents saved them the hassle and money. Studios complain about this format taking away their revenues, but they don't seem to realize that they are building this industry of "Torrent sharers" by pissing off the average movie fan by selling them a story with the trailer, then showing then something completely on the oposite. Look at R. Williams "Man of the year", they built that fucker as the kick ass comedu to see this year, then you see it and you go "WTF!", the movie isn't bad, it's good with great political moments, but it's not a comedy even if Williams and Black are in the cast. This TF movie seems to be heading down the Torrent avenue faster than a speeding bullet and if I don't see anything that makes me WANT to see it, then Torrents it will be. I'll see it, but I ain't shelling out 10$ plus 20$ for popcorn and a drink... I'll sit back here and see it in my Home Theater room... Fuck Bay! Fuck him with and his hamster too!
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They guy you buy your weed from isn't charging enough.
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The guy you buy your weed from isn't charging enough.
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when the general public heres of a transformers movie, they are going to think its for kids. they are going to not be interested because they think its a toy movie based on the toy cartoon. no one wants to see that stupid shit. thats why mikey bay is doing a brilliant job of marketing this with this trailer and making changes. hes making it a real bad ass movie, that real grown ups will want to be entertained by.
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Since the trailer broke just a few days ago my Megatron video jumped up another 5000 views. LMFAO
Let me ask you something wcoop893, is it 10 year olds that are buying all of the Transformers DVDs, or how about the Masterpiece toys, is it little kids shelling out $100+ for these toys? No, it's real grown ups who grew up with Transformers and still love them and were hoping for something that at least resembles Transformers both visually and storywise, and we've gotten neither. -
Thanks for asking my question AND proving that you're as thick as 4 day old pig shit.My actual point was most people seem to want a fucking serious movie about transformers; you espescially. I actually said it wasn't possible and since you actually agree with me then you also agree that Michael Bay is providing the stupid movie only Giant Fucking Robots can provide; i guess you're the fucking cuntface here today. Since you're obviously too impatient to read every post and simply skim them until you find a word that sticks out without garnering the true verbatim of what's being said, i suggest you go hide in your bedroom and masturbate over your Transformers quilt cover and hope Santa brings you a bag full of childrens toys to play with tommorrow morning. Learn to read things properly, get a fucking clue and more importantly, get a fucking life you retard.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERY LAST ONE OF YA'S!!!
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First, the task is to sell people on live-action transforming robots. The animation I saw of that is complex and physically plausible, which is important to avoiding a cartoony appearance. Second, they chose shots and material which would give people a taste of what was in the movie without handing them the whole meal for free. They kept what was going on in the story up in the air, rather than giving up important plot points like some do. This trailer kept on moving, made its necessary points well, then left with a nice parting shot. As for the near-horror tone, I think that's a good choice if you're making these robots real for a PG-13 film. You're not going to get really far maintaining the campy kids cartoon tone for a live-action film. There is a degree of cushion that animation provides for that sort of thing that doesn't typically work on the big screen.
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may you get everything your heart desires. I see a Don Murphy in PhartegoddPrimes stocking.
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the grownups that are buying 100 dollar toys are not the majority of the people that will hopefully be seeing this movie. they are not the majority of anyone. so of course this movie needs to be changed to be real, and to appeal to new people, the general movie going public audience. and the way to doing that is not by keeping the designs the same as an 80s cartoon, because that would look stupid to just about everyone
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because you already hate this movie and it isnt coming out for 7 months. and even if you see something you like, you find a way to hate it like grumpy old men. chillax and take it for what it is. its gonna be fun.
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7/4/7 the biggest disaster OF A movie of all time.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP7FXFFywy4So sad.
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The success of the Transformers to date is because of the grown ups who loved when they were kids and still love it today. That's why $100 toys and DVDs can be sold by the untold 1000s.
While attempting to appeal to a greater audience there is absolutely no reason they had to alienate a large portion of the millions of people in the existing fan base. How many will not see this movie based on the bad word of mouth given by the exiting fans? It doesn't make any sense at all from a marketing standpoint, and having Don Murphy spearhead the response to the fans on the internet makes even less sense. -
How do these autobots expect to get anywhere in these congested U.S highways while the Decepticon gets to fly around.
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Hasbro bought the rights to the GoBots you dickface. That's why you never saw them again until ther re-appeared AS transformers. I said this before but you're doing your usual trick of just ignoring the fucking facts in front of you.
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I dont know if anyone posted this yet but here goes. If you get a frame from where they say "all we have is this sound," you will see a website and a password. Virial Marketing!!!
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Life would be much better... We all know that kids without the proper stuff to go to school or play have one heck of a shitty xmas, that's why it's important to give back and donate stuff. You on the other hand can only complain about it instead of doing something. If you're that miserable why don't you do something good and stop posting fucking shit here and go to your local shelter and give some of your time. I did it for 5 years at least once a month, I stopped because of my little girl coming into life and will go back once I can have more time on my hands, but you should think about this instead of just doing nothing and complain while typing away on daddy's 1000$ computer, 40$/Month internet connection, wearing your 200$ Nike shoes and 100$ shirt and pants... Imagine what you could've done with that money instead of trying to pimp your dirty ass up. If you want to complain then have something to back you up, don't yell out without having done anything previously you miserable little twerp.. ... For the rest out there... Merry Christmas, and just in case... Happy New Year...
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... I know it ain't right to bootleg the music or movie industry, but when they put out shit like this and make us think it's worth the 10$ per person... Yeah .. right.. then they are stealing our fucking hours... If they sell us a movie with their bullshit trailers, then they should also give us back the money if the trailer was way off (a la "Man of the Year") and when Spielberg puts out dumbass movies like War of the World, where a plane destroys half a block of houses yet the fucking minivan is in mint shape while the house it's parked in front is completely destroyed... Then the son who was supposed to be dead like the rest of the soldiers that got blown up by almost fucking nuclear explosion comes back and is at the ex-wife’s home... They should be obligated to give us back the money. I saw Rocky Balboa in the theater, I liked it, it ain't the best movie in the world, but it's great 'cause they didn't make a huge deal or make him fucking invulnerable, Rocky 5 was a mistake, this one was great. So to Stallone, thanks, but make sure you don't put out shitty movie out there 'cause you're just as bad as the ones putting out the torrents out there when you sell something that isn't what you make it look like. I go at least one a month to chill out with the wife, so I put my money out to them, but when they sell me a great looking movie, then we see some shitty B movie out there with a big budget, that pisses me off as much as them. And it gives "Pirates" ammo to dish out the movie free for all... Exploitation unfortunately goes both ways.
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I know we are and that makes us people who actually think before posting shit against everyone on this site... Merry Xmas to you too buddy! If I actually did put him back in his place (which I think might be his little sacarsm game) then good, but him dishing out at everyone on this talkback was starting to piss me off as much as the rest of us... Hope the kid actually does something with his life other than juice some man milk out of himself and into tissues... Hope he gets the message is all I say...
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Why don't the both of you shut your mouths and watch this:
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What's wrong with you anyway? No one wants to see your stupid ass little movie, and from what I've read it sucks balls anyway. G away and make something worth watching you waste of oxygen.
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I'm first in line for that giant pink Pretty Pony! Damn that was awesome.
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Gte yourself the lastest issue of Granny Tranny and have yourself and holiday treat, 'cause all those really gay remarks are so fucking stupid and childish that if you ever had an IQ it just dropped down to -100... Man... You gotta be unsure of yourself in your sexuality to go down the "gay" route... Funny... I actually tought you read what you replied to. Never did download the Movie, I saw it on the big screen. I saw about 10 movies in the past 2 years that were for torrent sites you little selfmilker, and 6 of them I actually paid to see after on the big screens 'cause they were worth it. So don't come in and try your high school head games, You probably are in your early teens by the way you attack everyone on the talkbacks, and probably are a candidate to shoot up your school... Hell if I'm guessing right, you're the guy the jocks treat like shit 'cause you think you can take them on and piss them off, you should learn some matters and just post comments without insulting everyone... 'cause one day... You'll piss off the guy who lives in your neigborhood, and he'll smack the shit out of you... But then again... You're probably too busy milking yourself to see sunlight aren't ya little guy... ?
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Go hang out with those fucking looser... You might have an IQ challenger in one of them... I think the Star Wars kid has more respect for himself than those loosers...
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I do agree with your point that scripts should be, and often must be adapted from the source material to fit the live action big screen format. And again, while I am a fan of what G1 did with in story characters, I'm don't their too sacred to be adapted. BeastMachines took liberties with the history and I loved that series. And again I truly do not care what they look like.
From this trailer the FX and designs look pretty decent.
However, one thing I disagree with is the commrent we can't expect the same quality of story of characterization on a live action story about giant robots as we got from the comic or original series.
Of course that quality can be achieved even improved on, while maintaining the strong prouction values evident in the trailer.
I mean Sam Raimi made not one but brilliant stories with great character depth about a dude who got bit by a spider and started walking on walls. They had great effects, great characters and great story. And he has a third one coming out in May.
And if Raimi were doing Transformers I'd be ordering advance tickets now, hell before the trailer came out, before hearing jack about the script.
If recent historyb has taught us anything it's any storey can be a great film with the right director. That's what sets Batman Begins(Chris Nolan) apart from Batman and Robin(Joel Schumacher) or the afformentioned Spider Man from Catwoman.
And as I've said before I'm prepared for, and would be thrilled to, to have Transformers hit that high SpiderMan mark with Bay at the helm. I can't say I expect it, but I'd love if it happened.
The best comment I've heard on this board is when someone said that whether they saw the movie would be "review dependant" and that sums up my feelings.
If Bay does iot right I'm there. But I've comics and the like done too right to reduce my expectasions of a Transformers movie could be to just stuff getting blown up with flare. FX movies have been done better and can and will be done better again.
And if this movie is "More than Meets the Eye" or the trailer. Than I'll be telling everyone I know how great it is and post the same on every board I frequent. 'Til then I'm between cautiously optimistic and a bit more toward the skepticle. -
look could give a crap what any rich "actor" says Hollywood has been ripping off the movie going public since the inception of the word BlockBuster therefore it's great we get to rip back. So again I say as I have long ago "I will pirate the shit out of this 'movie'".
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YackBacker and Phategod1. I'll check those sites out, I'm sure they'll be useful :)
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Are these robots fighting with one another? Yep.
I don't see how anyone can fuck up that simple recipe for success. Maybe my Transformers expectations aren't set quite as high as some people. Also, I finally got my wife to watch Transformers: The Movie with me this week. Afterwards I said, "See, its actually pretty damn good."
Her response was "Oh I'm sure it is the shit...if you're nine-years-old."
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other robots! How can you not want to watch this movie?? Why hate on things that don't exist yet? Directing is harder than it looks.
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I saw the trailer on the television and thought, "This looks pretty decent. It actaully makes me want to check out the movie." and then my second thought was, "All the whining fan boys will be wanking all over about how Bay is raping their childhood after seeing this." Jesus, I thought fangirls all screaming about their "ships" not being respected by writers of tv shows were the award holders for wank..."Transformers" fanboys are showing that they can wank even harder and longer about their fandoms being "raped". I know every single one of the guys complaining will see the movie...otherwise, they will be dissing something they know nothing about and heaven forbid they be as foolish as that.
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Dont know if the actual movie will end up being any good, but that trailer was pretty awesome, count me officially pumped for this movie.
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Dec 30, 2006 11:27:09 AM CST
It really reminds me of that bug movie a few years ago.
by cotton mcknight
I think Dean Devlin was involved.. what was that called? Starship Troopers? Anyway, I don't think the Tranformers look anything like the ones we know so i'm not happy about that, but whatever. I think the robots look too "busy".. it isn't immediately obvious what they transform to in their robot form.
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Dec 30, 2006 11:34:14 AM CST
It would have been cool if "the only sound they heard"
by cotton mcknight
whats the classic transformer sound. You know, when the general is playing back the audio.. if we heard that "transform" sound effect that was in the cartoon I would have said "FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!" Missed opportunities. Another note- I like that kid Shia Labeuf and i'm glad he's in this movie. He was good in I, Robot.
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Spare me this mockery of transformers!
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