Dec. 15, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST
before breakfast even
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST
Did you just say something was 'canny' Moriarty? Do you have some Geordie blood in ya? Whey aye geordie marra!! Costello.
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST
yeah, shrek sucks
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST
"Puttin on Riiitz!!" RIP
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:31 a.m. CST
I bought part 2 at a used movie store, and the guy behind the counter wouldnt shut up about part 3. I mean he was Fanboy excited about it. Weird, maybe he thought I was cute or something.
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:36 a.m. CST
by The Wrong Guy
I've said it before and I'm saying it again, because right then when I was about to right 'Shrek sucks' in the subject heading AutoComplete came up and saved me several seconds of typing.
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST
The only good Madagascar is the one in Risk, where he who owns it owns the world. And Shrek sucks too, I want more Wooden Boy and Gingerbread man, but without them being part of the actually plot.
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:56 a.m. CST
by Spandau Belly
and AI computer puts together a bunch of random scenes with goofy cartoon characters making allusions to pop culture with some crowd pleasing easy-listenning tunes followed by a totally stupid message about respecting yourself and being yourself.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:16 a.m. CST
I think Spidey's gone blow em all out of the water. Even kids are fucking tired of Shrek. Pirates has an appeal, but not a universal one like Spidey. Good luck webhead!
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:24 a.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST
"Well, I don't know where he's not." If only for that exchange, I might check it out.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST
The preview actually brought a smile to my face. I cannot wait to see this movie with my wife and 3 year old daughter.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:57 a.m. CST
...but it's time is over, methinks.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:11 a.m. CST
Haha, that scene with Pinocchio was hilarious. If the trailer's an indication, it looks like the people behind Shrek still have their comical magic. Should be a really fun movie.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST
This left me kind of 'meh.' I am worried they won't be bringing anything new to the table. But, we'll have to wait and see.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:28 a.m. CST
mainly because it was made after Katzenbergs dismissal from the magic kingdom and john Lithgow's farquad was eisner inall but name and his castle was the magic kingdom and the gingerbread man scene was outstanding as was the scene with pinocchio in the second film. but the second film was so slow and cumbersome and tiring. The idea of Princess fiona underground ninja team could be good. I Hate Mike Myers. cant stand he was funny about 15 years ago and he is no longer funny. his comedy career is like monty pyhtons dead parrot. it ceased to be along time ago. Note to dreamworks please cease putting UK non-celebs into uk versions of your animated movies. We know who Katie Couric as we do get CBS news and we do get NBC news over here and we know who larry king is. Thankyou
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:41 a.m. CST
I thought that was a great trailer! I laughed out loud!
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:46 a.m. CST
= shitefest. Shrek is for young children. Remember young children have to be trained to use toilets and would actually prefer to soil themselves.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST
Shrek the Third? That's not so bad. A few years ago I remember seeing a poster for Country of My Skull. That's awkward.
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST
You'd believe this was a movie with a flying dog or something!... I dunno, it appeals to kids for some reason... When the wheater's shitty my little girl really like to see Shrek 2, she'll laugh every time Donkey just sits at the dinner table with a hudge smile on his face looking dumb... Product placement, yeah well.. what movie doesn't do that anymore... Hell Jerry Maguire went thru like 5 songs in 1 and a half minutes when you see him behind the wheel... Now that's selling as many songs as possible for the soundtrack! I guess the market is there to help with the financial burden of cost on movies. Can't really blame them if it's well done and not just big shots of Pepsi cans, and such... Can't wait for Shrek 3!
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST
Trailer is still loading...
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
quote I have ever read on this site. Moriarty is absolutely right- it probably won't be bad, but it won't be memorable either. The only thing notable about it, in all liklihood, are the obscene profits it will rake in. That Shrek 2 is among the top 5 highest grossing movies EVER makes me sick. A completely forgettable movie that made it's money because of idiot soccer moms and their ADD children named "tyler", "payton", "brie", etc etc etc. Idiots.
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST
that so many people hated shrek..its a wonder the franchise has about a billion dollars in the bank...i am apathetic about the film and will do as i do with such matters..netflix baby!...and that pinnocchio/prince exchange was glorious
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST
both 1 and 2 left me feeling like id watched half a film, this one will probably be identical... full of millions of pop culture references instead of an actually entertaining script.
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I'm convinced that the whole Transformers/Scorpy pic fiasco, was orchestrated simply because of Don Murphy's personal vendetta against Harry & AICN. He apparently has a hard-on for Harry because of the John Carter rights, etc.<P>Also, PharteGodd has returned as "PharteGoddPrime" and claims to have gotten Man-of-Stool banned (?). I really don't understand DM or his "stooges" but be on the lookout. TUADMAHS assemble!
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...but like Mori, I'm not the biggest fan. I just don't get it. And he's right: this film will make bank. And it will probably do so by following the safe & secure "Pixar-style Filmbook to Box Office Success".<P>For all those people hating on Peter Jackson and claiming that he's a "greedy, money-grubbing hack", I present to you "Shrek The Third". Now, put that in your PJ hate-pipe and smoke it.
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:42 a.m. CST
this looks mediocre compared to the second one. dreamworks is squeezin' every drop of money-stealing-waste-of-time-story out of this nearly-comical green tit of a movie franchise. the first shrek was funny but honestly not a classic. and the second was more of the same. i mean the movies are funny. i laughed my butt off in shrek 2 on opening weekend none the less. but i haven't felt the need to see it again. dreamworks can't make a classic animated flick apparently. prince of egypt was a great movie, but it went way down from there. over the hedge was their best recent attempt although i thought it was overall pretty forgetable. and that seems to be the theme for all of their movies. they are created to make money. and that they do. they hype it up and kids drag their parents in and then the dvd's come out with even more hype. but in the end it's just crap. where are the movies like the lion king, and alladin, and the little mermaid? i mean kids today still watch those movies. cuz they are classics. i seriously doubt fifteen years from now kids will still be watching shrek (unless of course that is shrek the eighth).
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST
Talkbackers love Snakes on a Plane, Snakes on a Plane tanks. Talkbackers love Slither, Slither tanks. Talkbackers hate Star Wars prequels, the prequels bank. Talkbackers hate Shrek the Third...etc, etc. Are we really that much of a minority? Maybe Michael Bay is right to aim for the LCD. We apparently have no idea what we're talking about.
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:53 a.m. CST
Thats an understatement.
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:09 a.m. CST
was very funny. Actually, the whole trailer was funny. I don't understand how people around here can defend total shit like the Fantastic Four and then turn their nose up at something that looks both clever and funny.
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST
by Mr. Neutron
The boat joke was very funny and the rest looks pretty good. The second movie was boring and pointless, my kids barely got through it the first time and have never asked to see it on DVD. This one looks better.
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST
I'd bang Princess Fiona. I dig my women with "junk in da trunk." Her being green just adds to the exotic flavo(u)r.
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST
Why is that big green thing walking around with such a crazy accent? I give this trailer a 'Whaaaaa?' and a 'Oh Ghaaaa'.
Dec. 15, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST
Worst. Movies. Ever.
Dec. 15, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST
And it entertains me. Why does it need to be anything more than that? And if it doesn't entertain you--big deal. Why make it known to the world. The collective hate on some of these movies just mystifies me...
Dec. 15, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST
The only part of the trailer that made me laugh a bit was the boat scene. I have never understood the love for these movies....I am anticipating Incredibles 2 much more, now that was great.
Dec. 15, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST
I can see you didn't care for that trailer, but as cultural corespondant, what do you think about the new Die Hard trailer? I hear it's pretty good.
Dec. 15, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST
by Ultron ver 2.0
I still think Shrek would be much more tolerable if Chris Farley had done the voice work. Tis a shame. : (
Dec. 15, 2006, 1:37 p.m. CST
Thank you for your interest clone-oh...oh whatever. If you'll reference the earlier talk backs you will see that I rated the Die whatchamadoodle with an 'Oh brother'.
Dec. 15, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST
by Harry Weinstein
The first one was modestly amusing, mostly for the Katzenberg/Disney in-jokes. The second one was annoying. This also looks annoying. The key to their success is saturation advertising targeted at a horrifically dumbed-down populace. Simple, really, and ultimately indicative of the bottom-line reason for the dumbing-down of America: idiots are just plain easier to sell to, whatever it is that you're selling, be it politicians, wars, potato chips that make you shit uncontrollably, or SHREK 3, which will probably also make you shit uncontrollably.
Dec. 15, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST
Don't normally do this, but had to say something. I really wish the Shrek-haters would stop confusing their inability to see why these movies are so popular and trying to explain it.<br> <BR> Pop culture references make the movie bad? Oh really. Then I suppose Looney Tunes are bad, and The Simpsons aren't classic, either. <br> <BR> Americans are stupid again? Why do people keep saying that. Shrek may not be Casablanca, but thank God it's not... say what you will about The Incredibles being the better film, but at least Shrek was self-referential enough to have some fun...<br> <BR> Sometimes people just want to laugh and let some steam off. Shrek does that better than nearly any animated movie ever made, and I really think that shows. You don't have to like any of them, but try not to be so harsh when trying to explain why us "idiots" enjoy them.
Dec. 15, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST
For someone who hates something just because it is popular? I mean, c'mon, people. It's comedy, for Christ's sake. It's not meant to be a bastion of intelligence. It's meant to entertain. It's simple, harmless fun. That's good enough for me.
Dec. 15, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST
this is AICN, home of the haters. And this is coming from an exquisite, selected group of cinephiles XD XD I found the trailer funny, just like the previous ones.
Dec. 15, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST
...because it reminds us of the older Disney movies but with new truthful moral messages and also a combination of pop culture besides. Some people just dont' understand that though...
Dec. 15, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST
Dec. 15, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
That's all I could think the whole time...
Dec. 15, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST
That is all.
Dec. 15, 2006, 4:26 p.m. CST
The character and the voice just crack me up. Best thing in the trailer. Hands down.
Dec. 15, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST
Maybe it has something to do with that trailer being completely devoid of any humour whatsoever, my God, the last time I saw something that bad was when I saw the trailer for Scary Movie 4. But hey, if you're amused by such 'hilarious' hijinks as Donkey and Puss switching bodies then good luck to you. Oh, and did someone just imply that The Incredibles wasn't fun? Well I suppose if your definition of fun is being able to nudge the person next to you in the theatre and say "I know what that's from" then no, it isn't much fun at all.
Dec. 15, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST
by Mosquito March
These are the ugliest, lowest common denominator 'kid' movies ever made. And a big reason why they won't last the fact that the 'stories' are so peppered with (relatively) current pop culture references that nobody's gonna know what the fuck these characters are talking about or doing in ten years (or less). If you want to make films that last, you can't have characters doing fucking Matrix stunts.
Dec. 15, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST
The Hate (c) for the Shrek films is just people wanting to side with Pixar or some shit in a bizarre fetishistic loyalty contest. "Pop" references litter Tex Avery and WB cartoons. Yet, these endure without mythic sweeping stories. The Shrek films are fun and entertaining. Much more so than Monsters, Inc. - which bored me to tears. Don't worry the haters - they are insignificant.
Dec. 15, 2006, 5:07 p.m. CST
STFU. There is a thread on Boyle. Go find it, dipshit and quit putting the Borat on every talkback.
Dec. 15, 2006, 5:21 p.m. CST
by Det. John Kimble
Dec. 15, 2006, 5:30 p.m. CST
... ONCE. These people playing them over and over and making them OMEGA HITS are scary and freakish.
Dec. 15, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST
by GibsonUSA Returns
But how much more do they have in their bag of tricks. Shrek 3 should be the last one, even though it won't.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST
..."pandering to the lowest common denominator" or "the worst kind of kids movies" don't actually HAVE kids. I do have kids - let me tell you, there is PLENTY of worse shit out there being sold to them. All this contrarian Talkbacker bullshit always reminds me of all the hate I've read from similar people in regards to "Titanic." Was it a sappy love story that 14-year-old girls ate up? Sure. Did it become a worldwide phenomenon? Yes. Does that mean it's automatically bad? No, it doesn't. And so many AICN idiots pretend they could do so much better. Guess what... you can't. In the same way that the purpose of movies like Shrek is to make people laugh, and they actually **have** made people laugh. Millions of people around the world. And if I kept a running count of how many truly clever comments I've read in Talkbacks for the last 7 years versus how many funny gags there are in the Shrek movies, your guys' short-bus-quality witticisms would fall way behind in the tally. I mean... find me a single fucking talkback in recent memory without a single "first posters suck" or "Damn You Michael Bay," or "Tortute Porn," or "Don Murphy pwns teh suck." And you guys accuse Dreamworks of being stale and unimaginative? Bitch, please. I say put up or shut up. If anybody in here hating on the Shrek movies could make their posts as funny as just the boat gag or the "parsing Pinnochio" bit in the trailer, I'll admit that THAT person would have enough room to bitch these movies out. By and large, though, I'm guessing it's unlikely.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST
That true love is possible but only if it's with someone who looks the same as you?
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST
by half vader
please? I just keep getting the stupid non-windows fingerwag screen.
Dec. 15, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST
Who knows, I'll check it out on DVD in any case.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST
It's sad the Shrek movies have caught on and a sign of just how fucking easy it is to completely manipulate an audience and how much they absolutely love it. First of all if you think its "self aware" premise is at all inventive you must have been hiding under a rock since the dawn of comedy. Secondly it's full of pop culture jokes, a realm any single cartoon on television (yes even Family Guy) does funnier, edgier, and with more pinache and wit. Being a movie it also means anyone watching the film down the line isn't going to know what the fuck they are making fun of or it will be completely stale. Another mystery to me is how the ugly unappealing look of the film got a pass. Let's take a Pixar film and put an cruddy sheen on it, piss poor weird character designs, and take all the magic out of the atmosphere and replace it with poseurific cynicism only a soccer mom would find biting. Next, and hardest of all to excuse, the fucking voice acting. Cameron Diaz voices the Princess. I don't think that needs further comment for my point to be proven. My big question is how in the Sam hell can any of you still find Mike Myers scottish accent or Eddie Murphy's fast jive talker funny after twenty years of each one. That's literally what both those actors have been falling back on for the last 20 years each. Wait no, 25 for Murphy. Worse yet is that neither Schrek or the Donkey offer anything new to either of those comedic archetypes. The characters simply tread on absolutely ancient waters. So you ask why us "Haters" (the new insult to sling when you dont have a point and valid criticism rightfully makes you feel like a fucking idiot) don't like Schrek. That's easy, it isnt any good. And it's not just that it isn't any good, it isn't any good and people hail it as art. At absolutely best it's mindless entertainment. SOme of the most overrated films of the last 20 years, or back when Murphy and Myers schticks were already wearing thin.
Dec. 15, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST
You are right. I've never written a movie. I guess Schrek is automatically great. Just like since I've never directed a film like Michael Camino, I have no right to say anything but Heaven's Gate is a flawless masterpiece. And none of us have ever been President so I guess everyone in the world should just shut the fuck up about Iraq and love W. Congratulations lightstormer, you're the first in the talkback to use hte "if you can't do it better you cant criticize it" argument. The most asinine and banal argument anyone can make in any discussion. You sir are the hater. And no I don't have kids, you are right about that, but I'm well aware that there is way worse shit out there to watch. What there isn't is anything that gets as much undeserved credit as Schrek. If people would say "Yeah its trite and the voice acting is as passe as disco, but it entertains me so I watch it." That would be fine, I can relate to a guilty pleasure. But making it out to be anything more than that is just unequivocally wrong and worse, it's degrading to true animated masters like Pixar or Miyazaki or classic Disney films.
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST
by half vader
I agree with you about Titanic but the "It's not as shit as the other shit" argument isn't exactly strong, is it? I do have kids, non-American kids, who sorta like Shrek but don't understand the ultra American circa 2001 in-jokes as the characters don't work despite them, they work because of them. When the pop culture understanding isn't implicit, the whole thing fails. When my eldest asks why Farquaad looks like that or why he lives in a fairytale castle if he hates the fairytale characters I find it hard to come up with something better than "Katzenberg hates Eisner" beacause that IS the reason he's short and lives in a Disney castle. Maybe you can help me there. The height thing you can rationalise, but... I even looked at the commentary and was a bit horrified to see they DIDN'T have solid storytelling reasons for key things like that (Geez people don't ADMIT it!) As for millions of people (more domestic than international), 6th sense also made tons because people were so dense many of them saw it twice to see how they were tricked. And then there's Armageddon. Don't confuse popularity for quality. One step on from that is Box-office = justification. ;) "Does that mean it's automatically bad" you say - no, but after a bit of thought it IS still bad, and it certainly doesn't mean it's automatically good, as you (non-intentionally I'm sure) infer by comparison. And you know clever talkback comments vs funny Shrek gags is an apples-to-oranges unfair and disingenuous comparison, smarty. Finally, that's cheeky, calling us out to find a TB without a catchphrase. But leave it to you to accuse TBers of being mean & nasty peices of work and then dump on one of the few things around here that are actually fun and keep things light! And to top it off you go and talk about TBers being stale and unimaginative hypocrites and unbelievably follow it with "Bitch, please" which is both stale, unimaginative AND a catchphrase!! You started off well... <p> Classic Warners shorts whose pop-culture references still work for the story despite the best part of century having lapsed is NOTHING like Shrek's storyline or character traits being BASED on them to the degree that they will be undecipherable in a few years. "The Muffin Man"? Not only is it ridiculously myopic to have a reference that is so intrisically American (yes Brits and Aussies 'get it') and excludes most of the rest of the world from understanding it, but it's a TV ad to boot! So not only are the characters more continuously self aware than say a LT character who breaks the wall as a punchline, but they know radio and tv ads, not just pop culture touchstones (simultaneously undoing the 'truth' of their own reality). This is why Massawyrm's blasting of Happy Feet for using old standards that back the tone or characters rather than current pop hits was moronic. You'll notice that when Pixar uses a reference it will always work in service to the story even if you don't get the joke on the other 'pop' level. They have their cake and eat it too. I can't remember everything about that first film but why the fuck was Robin french? Because their accents are funny? Doctor Sin your post was funnier than the actual film, with the exception of the appropriate "Bite Me". I'm sorry you've been misunderstanding Looney Tunes stuff for that long, and nice way to conveniently ignore Mosquito. One voice, "Fact", eh? Even the directors admitted in the commentary they didn't have a storytelling reason for some of that stuff. And the same beautiful message tired patronising Disney films had been giving us for the last couple of decades. I'm SICK of don't judge a book by it's cover! Don't even get me started on the ham-fisted religious stuff they shoehorned in there! But my one concession to you is that you're right that belly laughs are good - we shouldn't really EXPECT Shrek to be great when most live-action films aren't so yeah sometimes a bit of a laugh is enough. Just don't do the talkbacker thing and try to defend it as actual good filmmaking. I liked 2 a little more but how long does the supposedly badass Puss take to turn? Five minutes? WTF?
Dec. 15, 2006, 9:20 p.m. CST
by half vader
Sorry, didn't mean to hit post on that last one as my comments were all sort of redundant. Sorry again.
Dec. 15, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST
by Osmosis Jones
Seriously, for the first month or so after the film's release, all the talkbackers either loved the film or at least enjoyed it. A combined $800+ million over two movies later, and suddenly it's shit. And half the people here whining about how "dated" the films will become thanks to the pop-cultural riffing probably laugh their asses off at Family Guy, where the references are ALREADY 20+ years out of date (a slavish Poltergeist spoof in 2006?!). The Shrek movies are terrific, and I enjoy both heartilly. Thankfully I'm not too "cool" to admit that.
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST
by Sir Loin
Keyword: "fun." They mock Disney and all the fairytales and consumerism that you blowhard complainers always gripe about. Psst! Here's a tip: go see movies to HAVE SOME FUN ONCE AND AWHILE. It doesn't have to appeal to your self-induced superior intellect. Why can't you just have a good time and laugh? Please do the rest of us a favor, and don't have any cold, humorless children to dilute the genepool.
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST
was that a shrek baby???
Dec. 15, 2006, 11:50 p.m. CST
Was said above, I don't feel like finding who posted it. Is because it's pure fun, it's stupid, it's fun, you totally escape reality when you watch it. No it's not the greatest animated series ever, it's no as good as the incredibles. But fucking christ... if you can't go and watch Shrek in a crowded theater and have fun, you got a damn problem. Many of you have to be the god damn film nerds that I see coming out of movies with there friends and even though there friends enjoyed it, they try there best to tell in so many ways why the movie totally sucked. Of all the awful fucking movies that come out every year. I'll take a million shreks before half the movies coming out next year.
Dec. 16, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST
I mean, the movie "Dumb and Dumber" has got to be one of the worst movies ever made, but damn did I have a good time laughing my ass off during that movie.
Dec. 16, 2006, 12:16 a.m. CST
How about that ship went down in a ball of flames, haha.
Dec. 16, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST
Why do I have to enter a comment here? Kiss my ass! Kiss my shiny, metal, white, pasty ass! How d'ya like them apples?! Forget it, baby! It's Chinatown!
Dec. 16, 2006, 3:01 a.m. CST
the whole frikin year is going to be a bloodbath. Potter, Shrek, Pirates, Spidey, Die Hard, Grindhouse, Simpsons. Who gonna survive?
Dec. 16, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST
Dec. 16, 2006, 5:09 a.m. CST
All the "thirds" come out in May ? I hadn't realised that ! Woohoo - it makes the struggle through winter worthwhile.
Dec. 16, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST
But BOTH previous ones were turds, this is nothing new!
Dec. 16, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST
Shrek was funny in parts, ugly in others, and relied far too heavily on easy pop culture references. Easy meaning they were even more obvious and mainstream than the Family Guy flashbacks. Shrek 2 has less funny and more pop culture, BUT... the scene where Puss'n'Boots introduces himself and stops in mid-intro to hack up a hairball is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. For some reason it made me cry from laughter. The only well-animated scene in the movie. Similarly, Pinnocchio's lying scene here is amusing, but why use the same jokes over and over? It's too bad they found a formula and stuck with it instead of actually trying hard to do something more. Replaying the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man with a Giant Gingerbread Cookie doesn't cut it.
Dec. 16, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST
Can't something be funny and intelligent and artistic and rewarding? Why not aim for that instead of throwing in another Smash Mouth single?
Dec. 16, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST
Also, the Scary movie franchise is brilliant satire. And George Bush is a compassionate conservative.
Dec. 16, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST
This looks better than "Epic Movie," at the least.But, reallly, how many original, meaningful film has Hollywood made in the past few years? The majority of the Oscar winners have either been period pieces (Titanic, Gladiator, Chicago even) that don't really address the real world; rather, they are a sign of Hollywood trying to reuse its own golden age. See Dreamgirls for a further example of that. Popcorn films are nice, but eating 500 pounds of pop corn will make you sick of popcorn. All the films that have any real relevance to the 21st Century are now made abroad, and Hollywood caters to the morons now.
Dec. 16, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST
Agreed. But also, why can't stupid be fun?
Dec. 16, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST
Hollywood desperately trying to relive 60 years ago. If they have to emulate something it should be the glory days of the 70's, which might not have the nostalgia factor of the "Golden Age", but produced much better films and actors. I mean hell did real down to earth acting and real world themes even exist before Brando? More than ever the times call for much more down to Earth filmmaking. You are seeing alot more of that coming from Mexican and pther latin American filmmakers right now. If you want to see real life filmmaking that is still epic check out Alfonso Cuaron's Children of Men. It's an intimate film that nontheless has a mammoth vision and not a moment of it rings false.
Dec. 16, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST
Is a traditional *English* nursery rhyme -- Drury Lane's a street in London. I would HOPE the Brits 'get it'! (I'm Canadian personally, and I learned it as a child in school.) It's one of the funny Shrek bits that *doesn't* hinge on a US pop-culture reference for a change. Though if it's become a commercial, I can understand why someone might think of it as 'intrisically American'.
Dec. 16, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST
by half vader
Yeah but see my following comment about accidentally posting the whole thing. I was posting about the American Muffin Man stuff there specifically, but needed to clarify the point. I was about to go on a whole Unchained Melody/"Ooh that's the song from Ghost" rant if you know what I mean. There were a few things I was going to make clear and edit but then I decided I wasn't saying anything new. Then like an idiot I hit return instead of delete. Duh.
Dec. 16, 2006, 5:31 p.m. CST
I think it looks fine, good harmless ham fun. Is Drew Berrymore voicing Cinderella? The brunette in green looks like her when she played Cinderella back in...shit, was that 10 fucking years ago?! Crap.
Dec. 16, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST
And I totally get where you're coming from with the 'Unchained Melody/Ghost' thing. God knows, there's any number of examples of that to draw from.
Dec. 17, 2006, 7:27 a.m. CST
mine dont and thank the fuck christ for that. whoever said that his kid(s) liked to zone out and watch em, well to put it bluntly...i hope you're kids like the short bus my good man. there is NOTHING redeeming about these movies...sad pop culture references, Eddie Murphy's tired bullshit and Smash Mouth soundtracks. i think my kids know that if i cought them watching this shit i'd beat them >:)
Dec. 17, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST
Some of you should hear yourselves. Remarking either positively or negatively on 'Pop Cultural' referances in a pop culture targeted piece of entertainment is becoming a film nerd cliche of its own. Pop Cultural referances is the best, and I could argue ONLY way to reach as wide an audience as possible (the primary goal of money driven entertaining). When you go for the common denominator you'll find most people will GET the jokes. Trying to come off saying non-western kids won't get the jokes is incredibly redundant. The creators don't care about Asia, they don't even care about eastern Europe. They make all there money off of there own market with gravy from the rest of the english speaking world.
Dec. 17, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST
by half vader
Box Office is generally split pretty evenly between 'domestic' and international (so hardly "all 'there' money"), with international actually gaining over the last couple of years. Except for Superhero flicks for some reason. Weird. As for your bizarre logic, see the top films of all time. Y'know, SW, Rings, E.T.(aside from some well-publicised namedropping which doesn't have much to do with the story itself - it certainly wouldn't have been a lesser picture without Reese's, Speak and Spell and Star Wars men), Gone w/t Wind, Sound of Music etc. Shrek 2 is the exception that proves the rule, dopey. Because they're made to LAST. <p> You do have a point about the film nerd cliché though, I'll give you that. <p> P.S. Shogun - If Eddie uses the damn Tic-tac joke again I'm gonna slap him. Really. As for Smashmouth, there's no reason needed to slap them.
Dec. 17, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST
...Had you read and understood what I wrote (which must have been too bizarre, right :p ), you would have seen I made the distinction between ENGLISH speaking world and other international markets. An even split between US markets and foreign ones actually proves my point. The US market makes as much (often more) then the same release to the rest of the world and it's clear who the priority market is with movies like Shrek1-3. Also you should note that a large portion of the difference in that (perceived) even split is the UK/Australia/New Zealand/Canada. The nations with the similar TV shows, film tastes and way of life. Films like Rings, SW and ET are general stories with broad appeal and are generally the only movies that will gross more internationally then domesticately because millions of people can watch it. They are films with NO relience on Pop Culture for story or laughs. Its certainly not bizzare logic it's fact that the target audience of a movie like Shrek is the english speaking world with common popular habits. You know... so they can actually GET the jokes. I will even go further to say that a animated/comedy with more universal appeal actually does do far better internationally then domestically, ie Ice Age 2, Madagascar. The less pop culture in such films the more foreign audiences will flock to it. Actually look up some comparisons sometime to get an idea. Shrek 2 did a near even split, while the other two CG movies I mentioned went far above there domestic gross. Why? Oh gee could it have been because they didn't rely on pop culture and no brainer gags? As for 'giving me' the nerd cliche thing, you obviously actually agreed the entire post then? But I get that a lot of TBers are just making small little quibbly points for the sake of typing/arguing. ;)
Dec. 17, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST
There is no doubt Pixar is better, and if someone put a gun up to my head and asked me which were the "better" movies, I would most likely pick Pixar over Shrek any day of the week, and twice on Sundays. But that's not the point. Both types of movies are not mutually exclusive, and can exist in this universe. A movie like Toy Story or Incredibles may have more depth, but I can enjoy myself watching Shrek as well, right?
Dec. 17, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST
by half vader
And both posts came of as you skewing the definition of international to suit your own argument, that's all. You do the same if you don't account for inflation in the all-time B.O. So NON-ENGLISH speakers are 'foreign' eh? I keed, I keed. The whole thing came off as you letting the tail wag the dog to support your own argument. And no. 'giving it' to you (I was actually paying you a simple compliment there - sorry you thought I was being condescending) didn't imply agreement with everything else. Can't we agree to disagree without talking shit? Although I do want to make fun of you for being one of the plebs who writes 'then' instead of 'than'!:) I did look up comparisons and realised you've skewed the criteria so much it invalidates the results. Anyway, this is all silly. Obviously numbers can mean anything you want them to. My general thing is that Shrek is a shitty film because ALL it has going for it is the references and you can look up posts from the ten years I've been coming here (or since Shrek & Shrek 2 came out at least) to see I'm not just a Johnnie-come-lately hater who finds it hip a year or more later to dump on something. I CAN appreciate so called 'stupid' humour though and love 'popcorn' movies as much as 'real' films. Blues Bros. is about 20 thousand times 'better' (see I get you Etienne) than Shrek. I'm sure I can find some stats to back that up. ;) Peace, dude.
Dec. 17, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST
I heard Phartegodd has a new moniker. There was a thread on My favorite forum where a certain Hollywood producer states that a new TF trailer will be premiering on DEc 20. and states that the movie is done so theres no reason to post on his board anymore it was pretty civil so I'll throw no darts. back on topic I'm not a big fans of shrek but the kids will probably drag mt to this.
Dec. 17, 2006, 11:34 p.m. CST
Newbs on the torrents could do a better encoding job thant this POS. Harry, do you blow Steve Jobs every morning, or just once a week?
Dec. 18, 2006, 12:55 a.m. CST
I'd sell my soul for the chance to slap Eddie Murphy just once...and yeah Smash Mouth has been punished enough...but then again i blame them for the musical holocaust we've been living through since they debuted
Dec. 18, 2006, 5:27 a.m. CST
I think he himself referred to doing this in the Sly Q&A. I'm getting a little concerned.
Dec. 18, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST
by half vader
Maybe that's WHY they're called Smashmouth in the first place. Personal experience. Hey Maximise, that last stuff was meant to be more jokey but it still looks a bit arrogant.
Jan. 4, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST
what the hell? that trailer was funny...you're all mad. Shrek was innovative, funny and great to look at for its time. Shrek 2 was a bit of a cash-in, but was still entertaining. This looks on par with the sequel. Keep em coming I say.(although I think theyre planning a total of 4 with puss-in-boots spin-off, which is a bit much)
Jan. 19, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
or a girlfriend for that matter. Shrek rules. Period
Jan. 5, 2008, 2:02 p.m. CST
by 'Cholera's Ghost
This is a <p>Test</p>
Jan. 5, 2008, 2:03 p.m. CST
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Jan. 5, 2008, 2:10 p.m. CST
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