Dec. 8, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST
The episode that's too clever by half. Hated by those who have no life outside TV fandom.....
Dec. 8, 2006, 12:46 a.m. CST
Dec. 8, 2006, 2:25 a.m. CST
It's weird to be pretty much one year behind Britain on this show. Seems like most people on this site have already seen Series 2. Especially since there was a post of the Series 2 finale on this site before Series 1 finished on Scifi. Plus, they're also selling the 2nd series DVDs on Amazon.
Dec. 8, 2006, 2:36 a.m. CST
oh my god, wait til yuou guys get a load of this crap. The worst episode of Doctor Who ever. Oh and Kenny8, about 75% of Doctor Who fandom hate this episode too. It's THAT bad.
Dec. 8, 2006, 2:49 a.m. CST
by Kevin Kittridge
Goodness gracious, I hated this episode.
Dec. 8, 2006, 3:24 a.m. CST
Love and monsters is the shitiest episode of Doctor Who in its 40 year history, and given that some of that history included contributions from Sylvester McCoy and Colin Baker that's saying a lot.
Dec. 8, 2006, 6:52 a.m. CST
by Mirrorball Man
I thought "Love & Monsters" was a superb episode, funny and moving and totally in line with the history of "Doctor Who". That being said, I know why most anoraks seem to hate it: they love monsters, but they're not entirely comfortable with love. As the Doctor once said: "Life depends on change and renewal".
Dec. 8, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST
peter kay is NOT FUNNY and he ruins the entire episode, if they had got someone else to do the role it may have been better but for me he fucked up a fairly good episode imho
Dec. 8, 2006, 7:29 a.m. CST
by Thomas Cromwell
Shirley is Britain's, no the world's best actress. This bonny wee Scot steals whatever film she is in with her brilliant talent and her intelligent modesty that puts lesser actresses (I'm talking to you Niclole Kidman, you talentless, overpayed stick) in their places. She is also damn pretty with her petite body, sweet face, flowing hair and smouldering eyes. Put simply, she is a goddess and provides the only reason to watch 'Love and Monsters' Vive la Shirley!
Dec. 8, 2006, 7:37 a.m. CST
because it had peter kay who I dislike in it, and I only watched the ones with cybermen, daleks and cute girls in, and that one with the giant demon, but I saw a lot of people afterwards and ever since say it's complete shit. Since the people who liked it appear to be armchair psychologists here, analysing everybody else and finding them wanting, I'd say they're probably douchebags. Seriously. Qualifying your opinion with a specific attack on those who disagree. Enlightened.
Dec. 8, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST
Okay, you're going to read comments by people with disturbingly low standards about how "clever" and "innovative" Love & Monsters is, but if look at it objectively, it's really just a painfully bad load of crap. <p>If you've never watched DOCTOR WHO before, all you think is, "What the fuck is this?" and if you're a longtime fan, all you think is, "What the FUCK is this?!" To put this episode into its proper perspective, it's worse than the last three episodes of "An Uneartly Child," worse than "The Krotons," worse than "Invasion of the Dinosaurs," worse than "The Horns of Nimon," worse than "The Twin Dilemma," and worse than "Time and the Rani."</p> <p>While I give credit to Russell T. Davies for trying something different to give David Tennant and Billie Piper a break, "Love & Monsters" pretty much comes off like bad fan fiction. The only decent looking monster appears in a wacky SCOOBY DOO homage, Peter Kay is basically an alien version of Fat Bastard (complete with tongue slurping), and the sexual innuendo of getting oral sex from an animated piece of concrete is completely pointless, or should have been held back for an episode of TORCHWOOD.</p> <p>So go on, praise this unholy abomination if you want but be prepared to lose all credibility in the process. At least you'll be doing something more constructive than TomBodet and his neverending one-note joke about Daleks and stairs.</p>
Dec. 8, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST
Apparently, those stupid Dalek things can be defeated if you simply run up a flight of stairs! How lame is that? I mean, they're supposed to be these big bad guys, yet they can't make it up a flight of stairs!<BR><BR>(I'm sorry. For the record, I thought this episode was horrible...but hey, CONCRETE SLAB BLOWJOB! WOOHOO!!)
Dec. 8, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST
... and more. This episode was completely pointless and downright disgusting at the end. A parent's worst nightmare.
Dec. 8, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST
felt like someone was being interviewed about one of their shits. People who say they loved this either have no standards, or are more likely just trolling for some attention.
Dec. 8, 2006, 10:42 a.m. CST
Alot of people do not like the episode for many reasons. I will not say they are wrong it is just not what they want to see in Doctor Who. Love & Monsters took me off guard. I like it, but it is such a huge change from the rest that it takes most off guard. I like the fact that Doctor Who can be so different from episode to episode. The Scooby Doo chase in this is great. And Blow Jobs from sidewalk blocks is strange.
Dec. 8, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST
...if she'll have me.
Dec. 8, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST
by durmer killik
Go watch Girl in the Fireplace again.
Dec. 8, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST
<p>I've liked Spyguy's previous reviews on each Doctor Who talkback even the ones I disagreed with, such as School Reunion. That was an episode I'd thought "here is a story that's playing on fanboi's love of nostalgia to sneak in a crummy story".</p><p>However to read his indignation at anyone liking this episode and going off on a tangent to accuse them of demonstrating a sub-standard, and supposedly perverse, sense of enjoyment watching this episode is disappointing. It sinks into a rant not highlighting any meaningful criticism, merely revelling in casting those who enjoyed this one-off episode as some sort of sell-outs (?! "lose credibility" for what exactly?! As a fan of all sort ofs scifi and anime that means my opinion on them isn't valid at all now? If that's not what was meant it's sadly what it reads like.)</p> <p>Rants or attacks made by those who like this episode railing against those who didn't is stupid and infantile; the same is true of those berating people who dared to enjoy this 45 mins of television.</p>
Dec. 8, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST
by Thomas Cromwell
Not if I get there first!
Dec. 8, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST
HUGE Whovian - just rewatched The Three Doctors last night - and based on he previous talkback and this one I'll not be watching. Nothing in the interview made me remotely interested; alos love ELO, BTW.
Dec. 8, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST
I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with my opinions, but my comments were a direct response to those who claim "Love & Monsters" is such a "clever" episode that anyone who doesn't appreciate its sheer genius be a friggin' moron. <p>Well, in my opinion (which, by the way, feel free to disagree with), anyone who DOES appreciate "Love & Monsters" must be a friggin' moron. Stupid, maybe...infantile, perhaps...but then again, so is "Love & Monsters."
Dec. 8, 2006, 4:12 p.m. CST
<p>.. if they do rant or character assassinate. I'm sorry that may not have come across at the end of my mini rant. I was saying either "side" ranting and casting aspersions isn't ideal. I admit to being guilty of being pro-L&M and lambasting those who weren't open enough ("progressive" even?!) to enjoy it, and apologies if that rubbed people up the wrong way!.</p> <p>It was never the best/most refreshing episode for me, but like everything in Internet world when you read the immense hate directed towards one admittedly average-at-best episode it tends to rile you up; Usually over the most inanely inconsequential things like an episode of Doctor Who! </p> <p>I'll just end by saying yes I think I've read enough to cover the aspects that didn't go over well with others, but appreciating (perhaps too strong a word; "enjoying" ) it nonetheless doesn't denote someone being a "friggin' idiot".</p>
Dec. 8, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST
Do watch it and just remember that it will all be worth it in two weeks time when the 2-part season finale begins. I think the last little "gag" in this episode ruins the whole thing, and I'm not known as being a prude either. Plus Kay's character sucks. Everything else is fine in the episode.
Dec. 8, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST
...after what came immediately before. Next week's episode isn't a huge improvement, but the two episodes after that are great.
Dec. 8, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST
seems like a rejected X-Files script where they went through and did a replace Mulder with the Doctor and Scully with Rose. The sad part is for those who actually subject themselves to the tourture that is Love and Monsters with commercials this week, is that it doesn't get much better next time. The finale is done pretty well though. The new Christmas special is only a few weeks away!
Dec. 8, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST
by Yoda's Ball Sack
This episode could be the crowning turd in the waterpipe in the entire history of Who.
Dec. 9, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST
by Larry of Arabia
That's saying a great deal for show with a 40 year history. Rose's mom had some nice character work in there and LINDA was kind of fun till the joke died about 2 minutes into it. The bad thing was how cynical the show was, and the characterization of the Dr. Would he really bring someone back to live the rest of their life in that form? I mean he's seen some weird things, but that would be a living hell. She didn't seem all that happy. "It could be worse" Well, wonderful. She seems THRILLED. And the idea that eventually everyone the Dr. meets has tragedy visit them is certinaly way to downbeat for a show that is, in essence, a lighthearted sci-fi romp with a few scares thrown in. The whole final act left such a bad taste in my mouth it scuttled the few joys the episode had. Damn, now I'm actively angry at the episode.
Dec. 9, 2006, 4:45 a.m. CST
by Sly Fox
I don't think the Doctor would have brought her back like that (although he did!)... remember all his "everything has it's time speeches"? The Abzobaloff creature was silly but designed as part of a Blue Peter contest so forgivable, but why did they have him runing around outside? It looked so stupid.... the last joke was either a reference to online relationships or to blowjobs, probably the latter sadly.
Dec. 9, 2006, 5:41 a.m. CST
It doesn't even feel like Doctor Who, but some half-hearted UK crap soap opera. SpyGuy was dead on, RTD's episodes are low-rent fan fiction.
Dec. 9, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST
I thought it was pretty good. I mean, the bad guy should've been more than a parody of Fat Bastard, but seeing the doctor through the lives of others is pretty clever, and he certainly DOES spell trouble for those he comes in contact with. Wonder and Horror, they are the twin forces that make sci-fi really work, and the Doctor embodies them- he's wonder, but horror comes in his wake. Pretty damn cool to me.
Dec. 9, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST
Some of them are, yes, but I did like "The End of the World," "The Parting of the Ways," "The Christmas Invasion," "Tooth and Claw," and the uber-fanfictiony "Army of Ghosts/Doomsday." <p>Sadly, though, RTD is a bit too self-indulgent in his scripts at times and no one seems able to tell him "No" when they really need to. Case in point -- "Aliens of London/World War III," "Boom Town," "New Earth," and "Love & Monsters." When RTD is good, he's really good, and when's he bad...well, you get Fat Bastard running around outside and Moaning Myrtle reduced to a blowjobbing piece of concrete.</p>
Dec. 9, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST
What's your user name on Outpost Gallifrey? And have you been posting on the SciFi Channel's forums too?
Dec. 9, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST
For the uninitiated, the website location is at gallifreyone.com. Click on the forums after that. And any fans of *Hex* and its star Jemima Rooper should check out jemimarooper.org.
Dec. 9, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST
Here goes... She's on my "list", along with Monica Bellucci, Rosario Dawson, Cerina Vincent, and Isabella Soprano. Tee hee. http://tinyurl.com/y2zoay
Dec. 9, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST
of that crap. All the more reason the DVD set should be a reasonable 30 bucks or less. I might finish this sometime when I'm completely bored, and there is nothing else on or recorded to watch. Right now I'm off the check out last nights Battlestar Galactica, bet it doesn't let me down. Oh, yea, that happy crappy british pop in this episode has GOT TO GO!
Dec. 9, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST
...Christina Cole (Cassie) and Amber Sainsbury (Roxanne) from Hex are far hotter and more beautiful. And Christina has a bit part in Casino Royale (receptionist at the Ocean Club). Saw CR last night, and drove me crazy trying to figure out why I recognized the receptionist, until I put it together.<p>This week's Who was pretty bad, I gotta say. Tennant's initial "hello, now get out of here" or words to that effect was just a lame ripoff of Eccleston's first-contact with Rose. This was not only a "filler" episode, it was inedible, un-digestible filler at that. This Season has not measured up thus far to the Eccleston season. I sure won't pay for the dvds based on what I have seen so far. Couple of good episodes only, but maybe (from what UK TBers are saying) there are some good ones coming up. Hope so!<p>Jeez, even Billie Piper, the main reason for watching, seems tired and "phoning it in" this season, whereas in the last season she seemed to be so into it all. Her boredom seems to be coming across, as does Tenant's.
Dec. 9, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST
...X3, anyone? That was attacked so viciously I felt the need to defend it just as viciously. Anyway, I understand what you mean. Honestly, while I hated this episode, I'll admit that it's because of a few small things that ruined the whole. Namely the ending BJ line (The episode would've been much better if they ended it at the fade-out), the faces in the Abzorbaloff's skin, the monster itself, Kay's character finding LInDA in the first place (how???), and the lacklustre camerawork. Perhaps if they played up the mental state of the main character more? Perhaps if they didn't go for the humor? Perhaps if they went even further with the "experiment" and film it all through a handicam? But as a regular episode it flops big time, and as an experimental episode it flops big time.
Dec. 9, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
...and unexpected things make them feel scared.
Dec. 10, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST
... and people see things that aren't there.
Dec. 10, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST
"The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and "The Girl in the Fireplace" are clever. The Master taking over Tremas' body at the end of "The Keeper of Traken" is unexpected. "Love & Monsters," meanwhile, is 45 minutes of Russell T. Davies turning a story he wrote at 13 into a filler episode.
Dec. 10, 2006, 12:11 a.m. CST
Between AICN, Newsarama, Sci Fi's DOCTOR WHO forum and my MySpace page, it's a miracle I get any work done at all. Look for me to star in OFFICE SPACE 2: SPACE HARDER...
Dec. 10, 2006, 12:41 a.m. CST
Didn't expect to after all the negativity I'd read. But I actually liked it. A lot. And I'm as big of a Who fan as any of you with all the standard excellent episodes as my favorites.
Dec. 10, 2006, 1:02 a.m. CST
WTF is that crap? This is what I end up thinking every time I've ever tried to watch the show's different incarnations over the years and I though I'd give it another chance. WTF was that crap?? Horrible!
Dec. 10, 2006, 3:19 a.m. CST
Didn't make miss Mertyll (probally didn't spell that right) MOAN!!! once before their relationship was CEMENTED?!?!?! Ah.crap that sucks....
Dec. 10, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Don't feel bad. Sometimes the material really IS too hip for the room.
Dec. 10, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST
Christina Cole had a bit role in *Casino Royale*, but Jemima's bit role in *The Black Dahlia* was the most memorable bit in the entire film. I'd take her any day over the others you mentioned. Plus, I think she's a better actress to. But that's a matter of personal taste, I'd say... Heh.
Dec. 10, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST
Tune back in in two weeks. SciFi will be running a marathon all day on the 22nd. The 8pm episode that night will be the start of the two part season finale. Of course, you could find them online....stay away from "New Earth", "Love & Monsters" and "Fear Her". Every other episode in season/series 2 is gravy.
Dec. 10, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST
I guess Huey Lewis was right after all...it's hip to be square, apparently. <p>Go on, be "hip" then, you little rascal you, while those of us seated at the adult table enjoy "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances," "The Girl in the Fireplace," and "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit." Go on now, shoo, the big kids are talking...</p>
Dec. 10, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST
...differ away, sir! I have not yet seen Dahlia (could not catch it on the big screen--damn!) and did not know Jemima was in it. Will watch for her on dvd. I do agree she is probably a better actress, but Christina is more luminous (to me).<p>Now, did this come up in a Who TB because Jemima is going to be in a Who episode or something? I have lost track. Who will be replacing Rose after this season? [First base! drum riff]
Dec. 10, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST
Here ya go...Jemima as "Lorna Mertz" in *The Black Dahlia": http://tinyurl.com/y5nwp2
Dec. 10, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST
She hasn't been cast in Doctor Who as of yet. I'm just trying to work my online mojo to get the wheels a'turnin'. Kinda like posting about how Ra's Al Ghul should be a Batman villain on film a few years before it was announced as such. Heh. If you go to the official BBC website, you'll see The Doctor's new companion.
Dec. 10, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST
Nice!! Thanks, lynxpro! keep working your mojo--would definitely like to see Jemima in Who, even if only for a guest role.
Dec. 10, 2006, 9 p.m. CST
I thought "The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances" and "The Girl In The Fireplace" were without question the best episodes of the new seasons. But I'm still an adult, I don't think I'm hip, and I enjoyed "Love And Monsters." Was it great? No, but I thought it had entertaining aspects to it and was a fun departure. I enjoyed it as much if not more than "The Impossible Planet/The Satan Pit," if only because I didn't find anything terribly original with respect to Doctor Who therein.
Dec. 10, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST
Y'see, Bill, even though DarthCorleone liked "Love & Monsters," he admits it's flawed and doesn't go telling people who hate the episode (a considerable portion of DOCTOR WHO fandom) that it's too "clever" for the masses to comprehend the oh-so-subtle nuances of RTD's script. Your pretentiousness isn't very becoming.
Dec. 11, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST
Since Round Robin mentioned a "dildo", I should point out that Lorna Mertz is shown holding one in those scenes previously mentioned. That's for you, Chromedome! :)
Dec. 11, 2006, 6:52 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
It's okay if popular entertainment is a little too edgy for you. You can always put your dentures in a glass and go back to your Huey Lewis 8-tracks. ;)
Dec. 11, 2006, 7:21 a.m. CST
A fiver says he goes to sleep at night curled up with his Jar Jar Binks and Abzorbaloff dolls while his Justin Timberlake poster hangs directly over his bed on the ceiling.
Dec. 11, 2006, 8:54 a.m. CST
Firstly, I quite enjoyed this episode when saw it in UK (apart from the monster reveal). Secondly, I couldn't have been paying that much attention as I missed the scandalous double-entendre. Thirdly, possibly wouldn't watch it again, unless it was on, my legs had both gone to sleep and the remote had broken. Fourthly, a good measure of this episode's quality is that last night's Torchwood had very similar themes, but was noticably better.... Just less ELO. Fifth, (as an aside), I think the third new season should have an episode with multiple doctors - which ones? The first one: but as a much younger man - maybe soon after leaving Gallifrey - would avoid problems of the actual actors from the past times being a bit creaky/dead. Also mean a bit more freedom with how they interact.
Dec. 11, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Sounds like your Depends are due for a change, Grandpa.
Dec. 11, 2006, 9:26 a.m. CST
And shouldn't you be finger-painting in kindergarten right now, instead of trolling on the internet?
Dec. 11, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST
I've got a thesaurus too. bear*, bellyacher*, bug*, complainer, crab*, crank, crosspatch*, curmudgeon, faultfinder, griper, grouser, growler, grumbler, grump*, kicker*, lemon puss, malcontent, moaner, sorehead*, sourpuss*, whiner. Not sure which ones are the "proper" ones (I assumed they all are, dependent on context and intent, that or use alternate phrasing). What was the point again?
Dec. 11, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST
...does she do more than just hold it?
Dec. 11, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST
Its implied she uses it on the Dahlia. Its in the "stag" film scenes. Jemima doesn't have much screen time in the film (maybe 4 minutes), but what she has is memorable. Much more than the cameo made by Rose McGowan that the AICN staff carried on over. Jemima also uses her "fauxmerican" accent that she used in *A Sound of Thunder*. Its cute. That's been playing on HBO lately. Horribly bad CGI, but bearable. Ed Burns and Jemima do well in it. I can't believe that the TV Guide programming guide summary on my TiVo credits Corey Johnson and not Jemima in the film. The only other thing I've seen Johnson in besides this flick was the episode "Dalek" where he played Henry Van Statten.
Dec. 12, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Instead of whining about episodes of Dr. Who that are too avant-garde for curmudgeons?
Dec. 12, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST
Kid, I realize you're obviously smitten with me to keep giving me all this attention, but I'm already married to a beautiful woman. Maybe someday you'll find someone who shares your appallingly horrible taste in "Love & Monsters." Kenny 8, perhaps...I think you two would make a cute couple together.
Dec. 12, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
Jeez, are you one of those creepy old guys who follows boys around the playground? All the homosexual references in your posts make you sound a little latent, Pops.
Dec. 13, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST
Wow. First, he displays Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder, and now Dissociative Identity and Compulsive Sexual Disorders. If I stopped responding to Bill's desperate cries for attention, would his obviously fragile mental state collapse like an upset house of cards? Let's find out...
Dec. 13, 2006, 11:27 p.m. CST
by Bill Clay
I know you have a crush on me but sorry, Gramps, I ain't into old guys who stalk younger men. You're gonna have to satisfy your homosexual pedophilia fetish somewhere else. I'm sure you'll still reply to me like a lovesick schoolgirl, though. Sad.