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Is there hope for FANTASTIC FOUR 2? Well, they at least got this right!
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Hey folks, Harry here - and with some good news from the land of the FANTASTIC FOUR movie. They've brought to life the Fantasticar from out of the land of zippotone and india inks and into the world of the live action. This is only about a million times better looking than anything other than Alba's ass in the original. And it shows a pretty accurate degree of sticking with the comic design - the right nods and gestures. NOW all they have to do is get THE SILVER SURFER, GALACTUS, DR DOOM and The FANTASTIC FOUR's characters right and do justice to my single favorite storyline in the history of comics - and we'll have a badass film. Now - hold hands and pray... Thanks goes to Gary and EMPIRE MAGAZINE - from whence this came...
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Looks like sh*t to me. This movie will definately suck @ss.
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...why would they need to make turn signals? But a pretty neat piece of work overall.
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anyway, nice looking car
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'Cause he can fly anyway. I imagine the 3 seats are for Reed, Sue and Ben, only Ben isn't in this pic.
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Find something else to pick on, for God's sake.
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I like their ridiculous 'heroic' poses - shoulders back, chest out. Ass cheeks clenched. No-one stands like that in real life except the Rock. Has it actually been confirmed they are calling it The Fantasticar in the movie?
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Probably so they don't have to smell the Thing.
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I am prepared to stand proud and say I am a fan of the first Fantastic Four film. Yes, it was terribly silly and I'm sure it was annoying for the comic fans, but I enjoyed it as the goofy load of nonsense I think it was intended to be. Also, it has Jessica Alba in the most blatant and poorly motivated underwear scene ever committed to film. What's not to love? I hear this new one will have a naked surfing man who is entirely silver, which is so utterly ridiculous it will have to be brilliant. Good luck, makers of this new Fantastic Four. Don't let me down.
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They have the turn signals because they're good guys, and good guys always indicate, whether they need to or not. It sends out a positive message to the kids. Also, they always wear seatbelts.
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They probably are; Tim Story has referred to it as the Fantasticar on a couple of occasions. Works for me. In their own universe, the Fantastic Four are sort of like a brand anyway.
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You know, when they first introduced Fantasticar in the comics way back when, it looked like a flying bath tub.
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Flame-on
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Reed: "Ah, about that...the thing is...New York has an excellent public transport system...and with your weight...the hover jets can only take so much..."
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Good. I was thinking they might think they were too cool and call it the FC-X or some shit. I liked the way they introduced it in UFF - like, we know it's a kind of silly name but we're sticking with it.
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"SPANDEX! ALL SPANDEX!!!"
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Namely a big improvement. WETA's involvement alone makes me think FOX is serious about making a much better film than the original FF. I've also read rumors that the film ends on a cliffhanger. The possibility that FOX is preparing for a third film must bode well for their confidence in this one.
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Cos I don't think it really looks like her in the pic, or is it just me?
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I enjoyed the first one - of course it was no classic, but it was light-hearted fun. Simple, clean-cut fun. Definite room for improvement though, finger crossed for this episode. Sounds much more epic, which is promising. Like the idea of a cliffhanger ending. Flame on.
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First no nudies in Sin City and now GRANNY PANTIES for Susan Storm!
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*** Spoiler for people who have not seen FF1*** Many fans of FF1 seem baffled about how anyone could be worried about FF2. What was to terrible about FF1? The effects were 80% crap. But that is being fixed by bringing in WETA. But the most glaring problem from the first film was the writing. My god! It was written by 10 year olds. The invisible woman gets naked on the bridge to get through the crowd. (I get it, Jessica Abla is hot - works for me). Suddenly they are all on the other side of the crowd, and Johnny says, "good job". Not sure how her invisibility got them all through the crowd, but hey, I guess I was supposed to leave my brain at the door. After the bridge commotion, with traffic backed up for miles from car wrecks and explosion, the Thing's fiance just shows up at the front of the crowd to give him back his ring. How freakin' convenient. Hey, maybe she saw it on the news, ran down, and then got the invisible woman to get her through the crowd??? It moments like these that drive me crazy. Want another, how did the Thing - after being turned human, using Dr. Doom's as a massive energy source, simply turn back into the Thing? (Maybe I missed the explanation on this.) The point is, the effects can be enhanced. But if the director can't figure out he is filming a scene with 10 year old logic, then we have a problem.
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A picture means nothing. Remember the trailers for Phantom Menace? The first FF movie sucked so bad (most noteably by the horrible handling of Doom, perhaps comicdom's most worthy villain of all time), and they have the same writer, director and crew this time around? This movie should be called "Fantastic Fuckup". Now that they've destroyed Dr. Doom's credibility for ever having a chance at being properly portrayed on screen, now they're going to destroy the screen-cred of SS and Galactus. Great. And the cliffhanger for a third movie? Geez, who is left to defame? Marvel itself? Wait, Hulk and Daredevil already beat 'em to it. Spider-man must get pretty tired swinging around Manhattan with the weight of an entire comic business riding on his shoulders. Here's an idea for a movie: Punisher goes around hunting down the producers and writers and directors of these crappy Marvel movies.
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it looks like FF1. If he has diahrrea, it'll look like FF2...Poopy!
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i could tear it apart if i wanted to cause there are parts that do not make any sense but i'm past that. i just enjoyed it for what it was. it could have been A LOT worse, i mean look at daredevil!
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But maybe I must be a real FF-geek to appreciate it.
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If you enjoyed that then you hate these characters.
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I'd actually like to see more 10 year old logic in the sequel, not less. Just fucking go for it, writers of Fantastic 4 II. Flat out, all the way. Ignore this trend for dark, brooding superheroes. Take nothing seriously. I believe this has the potential to be the most gloriously stupid film ever made, and that is what I am keeping my fingers crossed for. It already has a naked silver guy with no penis, not to mention a Fantasticar, so we're well on the way. All we need now is some kind of super-powered pet (Fantasticat, maybe?) and possibly Rob Schneider.
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That is also a car. Look at the circles on the hood. That is a air ground auto. Think tranformer, but not.
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That is also a car. Look at the circles on the hood. That is a air ground auto. Think tranformer, but not. Just a guess
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I hope they just make it a glorious trainwreck. Just go batshit, something for the drinking game record books. Since they ruined Doctor Doom the property is fucked anyway. God knows America deserves no less than complete and utter garbage for making the first onea success.
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the main reason the first one sucked pig balls for me was the concession that the thing can change back and forth between human and monster whenever he chooses. Take that away you stupid patronising movie producing monkeys.
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The Thing didn't end up with the power to change back and forth. Reed suggested he could help him and Ben told him to forget about it.
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Equal flames on Optimus. Had to be said!
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And the acting and the directing and just about everything else in the film. It was a fucking trainwreck.
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the ff have one of the - if not THEEE - coolest rogue gallery of all superheroes; doom, galactus, annihilus, kang, mad thinker (+ awesome android), mole man, masters of evil, blastaar, kree/skrull/super-skrull, namor, inhumans (black bolt! lockjaw! karnak! gorgon! ahhh!), dragon man, modok, puppet master, molecule man, etc etc etc. i wish we could get a glimpse of some of these at the beginning of the movie, i.e. introduce the film with a big fuck-off fight scene either in new york or in the negative zone. who cares how they got there. and have some whacked simonson visual physics stuff going on
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The Teletubbies are "good clean fun" too, and 'xXx' is "a fun popcorn movie," that doesn't make either of them (or 'Fantastic Four') any good.
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I dont think, most of us are asking for brooding superheroes. I know I'm not. The FF were never that to me, but what I am asking is a fun adverntures movie, on a bigger scale, with better writing!
And a much better Doom, to me Doom is one of the best villians not just in comics, but in any media format, and I just felt they F'ed him up.
Thoughts on the car, I like it, looks like the 4th seat is in the back, it just not in clear view in this pic.
Also does Albas hair looked blonder? If so, is it the lighting?
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I believe Sue Storm should be a blonde. However, they have Alba cast as Sue. I have weighed it, and I decided that I hate Alba as a blonde. I'd almsot rather have Sue with darker hair over having Alba with her crappy fake blonde hair. I know Sue is blonde and all, but we are locked into having Alba as Sue. She still looks stupid with her hair being THAT blonde.
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Yes, it looks nice but this still doesn't beat Alba's ass.
Hmm, was that a double entendre?
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Good thing they're squeezing their version of Dr. Doom into the already crowded and convoluted Galactus storyline. Obviously, moviegoers expect to see Dr. Doom in every FF movie from now on. Their version of Doom is surely one of the most frightening and compelling movie villains ever!
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Hell, the XMen films overused Magneto, why not do the same with Doom?
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Nov 30, 2006 7:24:15 AM CST
NO!! FANTASTICAR IS SILVER!! SILVER!!! CHILDHOOD RAPED!
by rev_skarekroe
But to be fair, my childhood is a filthy slut and was asking for it.
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Have you seen SIN CITY retard?
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Galactus makes Doom ruler of Australia!
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The totally screwed up and did something good. Someone's losing their job over this.
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I thought the first Fantastic Four was a pretty damn good movie. I really enjoyed it, and honestly its kind of what I expected. Lots of fun, and overall I didnt have any problems with it. All this nitpicking and stuff about it... to me seems way to fanboy and pathetic.
Also.... the car... and the big deal is? Granted it looks pretty much like the car in the comic... but so? I mean look at the thing.. its not like its difficult to make the car look like the one in the comic. Jeez the headgeek gets wet over the silliest things. -
there are pics of britney spears crotch on the net. Seriously....
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I doubt the director of Barbershop has yet to figure out how to make a decent action flick yet. Until I see I see a convincing trailer, consider this movie skipped.
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I just hope this movie is a bit more science fiction than cable-tv snooze-fest!
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I dont really think it's nitpicking with peoples thoughts are Doom. Again Doom is one of the greatest villians in any media.
When watching a FF movie, I should walk out of thinking, that was one of the greatest / memorable villians to ever appear on the silver screen. Did you get that notion? I sure as hell didn't. -
I thought they did the best they could do with 40 year old comic book science. If you want to watch a movie about something fun and fantastical... FF:TROTSS.
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Actually to me Dr. Doom in the comics was a pathetic villian... I mean hell even when the first series of Marvel cards came out they gave him crappy ratings lol, hes not that great a villian in my eyes.
I actually was never that impressed with Magneto either, the XMEN movies made him more impressive then he was to me.
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You make a good point, lol, but I saw that like 2 days ago, what am I saying, those pics could never get old.
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They're going to scratch the paintwork every time they get in or out. Especially with those boots. Unless they drop in from above. Or something.
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Maybe you'll get what you want. For some reason, 2 is the magic number for these comic book films. Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2, Superman 2, Blade 2, Batman Returns - I like all of these films better than their predecessors.
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I thought the film was fun too. God, this site can be so, miserable at times, what youre not supposed to have fun time at the movies? Not everthing in life is perfect. If all studios adopted the pentulent, childish attitude that come across as criticism on this site, then no filmmaker would have a career because the studios would all be saying "well youre first film tanked" so get outta here. I can think of a long line filmakers who careers would have ended over night. SO with all due respect to bitchers, thank god none of you are running hollywood. I will be there on opening day to see this film. becuase unlike all the bitchers, I still enjoy going to the movies. Oh and by the way the holiday starring Diaz, black. law and winslet stinks, I know this cause I saw the trailer.
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I swear that looks like a Dodge grill!!
It's nice -looking (especially compared to the production design on 1), BUT if they actually sold product placement on the Fantasti-Car AND sold it to Dodge, my hopes that this film will rise above the first are greatly diminished.
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Thanks for the tips on the Britney pictures, even if it does make my opinion of her sink ever lower. Luckily for Sue Storm, she has sensible spandex trousers, so she'll never have the same problems getting out of the Fantasticar. Did you see that? Swerved it right back on topic!
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Who let John Byrne in here?
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I mean, Vader was partially lifted from the comics version of Doctor Doom (scarred evil guy who now wears armor with a big flowing cape all the time) and what happens when Doom finally makes it to the big screen? He's turned into a generic corporate weasel with an American accent. You just gotta feel sorry for the poor bastard.
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When I first saw the trailer months ago it looked so stupid. Now the last two times I seen the trailer this past month it looks good. I aint even sure if they changed the trailer or not lol, mabye its just the moods I am in when I see it.
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No, Vader's the guy you have to feel sorry for.
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It's just coming up to panto time over here in blighty. An interesting fact about panto's is to do with the lack of available dwarf's to play "the seven" in the numerous Snow White productions across the UK. To get around this problem most of the low budget panto's use the ploy of referring to the "missing" characters off-stage. It fools no one but whatta ya gonna do? Perhaps the producers of F42 have decided that Ben Grimm's character was such sh*ite that he should only appear entirely off-stage during the movie. Hmm?
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Spider-Man, and X-Men, you would think the studios could do a better job than they did with FF. The Fantastic Four was laughably shitty. It almost made me embarrassed to have grown up on this comic. It was like Howard the fucking Duck, for chrissake!
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I walked out of theater because I was falling asleep... I will give it another try on cable but after over an hour of sitting there watching that boring crap I had to leave. Fantastic 4 MUCH better IMO. And I loved Howard the Duck. Seen it over a dozen times, granted all dozen of those times was prior to me turning 10, so maybe I would have a different opinion of it now...
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She's the only reason I'd want to see the sequel after that shitty crap they tried to call a fantastic four movie, which ironically wasn't fantastic at all.
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I think these photo stills capture the acting range of the cast perfectly.
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Doesn't it concern anyone that Sue Storm, one of the smartest heroes in Marveldom, is being played by an utter imbecile like Alba? She's hot, sure, but I would have gone less for the body and more for the brain, and, you know, acting. It'd be like having Lindsey Lohan playing Marie Curie in a biopic. Also, that comment about how WETA's presence will improve the flick? They're not writing the script, are they? It wasn't the effects that were the downfall of the first, it was the utter lack of realistic and intelligent dialogue, which is basically the staple of FF: johnny and ben sniping, reed pontificating and being mocked by johnny and ben, sue playing peacemaker...Get some freakin' writers, then come and talk to me.
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http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2006-11-29-fantasticar_x.htm
I'm glad that Tim Story didnt allow the designers to be too agressive with the designs, that is what my problems with some of the desiges in movies like Batman Forever (the Batmobile), Batman and Robin (The Batmobile again and some of the coustmes) or the Green Goblins costume in SM1. -
Uhh... Do you honestly think Alba's hair in this movie looks ANYTHING like her hair in Sin City? Sure, she's a blonde in Sin City... but YOU KNOW what I mean. The blonde in the FF flicks looks to freaking overbearing.
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http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a177/_Kayser_/Venom.jpg
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Every try to talk to someone in a moving convertable? "I SAID IT'S WINDY!" Alba does suck as a blonde. Sure, Sue was badly written last time but they could at least give us a better blonde. Oh and clearly Thing sits in the back. Because he's an experienced pilot who's deformed.
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well since I dont know what the car looked like originally, id have to say this one looks pretty lame. But if its accurate, then I dont care how it looks.
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But since the first FF made so much money, why would the studio bother to invest the time and effort into making an intelligently written film when a lousy script and mediocre acting will do the job for them? Unfortunately, it seems to be all about the money... whether or not the final product is actually any good has become secondary. At least we still have Sam Raimi and Co. holding up the quality end of the Marvel movie productions.
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http://tinyurl.com/yl7cfg
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but I have now. Thanks for the link, by the way. It sounds like they dodged a bullet on the design of the Fantasticar. The Schumacher Batmobiles were awful, overdesigned monstrosities. I like stupid, but I don't like fucking stupid, as Seth Gecko might say if he were posting in a talkback about this Fantastic Four II.
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Batman got it right simply because they made a serious movie with seriously talented actors (minus Katie Holmes, who isn't necessarilly bad but just not believable as a district attorney). So what that does is ensure a great word of mouth publicity, which fantastic four didn't have, and ensures it's place in cinematic super-hero history and paves the way for following succesful sequels. FF made a bit over 100mil which apparently was enough for a sequel, but had it been approached the same way BB was, then we'd all be dying in anticipation. If this movie doesn't get good reviews, being that none of us are looking forward to this, it will bomb at the box office and that'll be the end of the road for our little blonde Sue. IMO it won't be any better than the first one due to the terrible cast (Alba can't act for shit) and incredibly rushed production.
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Could it be that it made alot of money in Movie and DVD sales because... GASP... besides crazy fanboys like you most people did enjoy the movie? I know I enjoyed it... And I think the studio cares more about the 90% of the public that thinks the movie was pretty good over the 10% of the hardcore comic book geeks that won't look past any changes...
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i think the fantasticar is kinda silly. sort of like all the gadgets batman had in the 60's tv show. but what do i know. i liked the first fantastic four.
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I'm sorry, I couldn't resist.
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the first one was terrible..the footage looked grainy and it had a made for tv look..the villain was a prissy dr doom and the acting was well...wretched apart from The Thing dude who did the best he could
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Now if you said he was as bad a Doom as Brandon Routh was as Superman... or whatever his name is... that I could understand. Though again I liked the movie and had no problem with any of he cast...
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Though I am a fanboy, I am not a Fantastic Four fanboy... I don't really know that much about the world of the characters except for their powers and basic personalities. What I DO know, however, is when I'm watching a movie that is sloppily written, badly acted, and poorly directed. I guess I could be classified as a "Good Film Fanboy." Unfortunately, a studio (and moviegoers) can defend material like FF by calling it a "summer popcorn movie," and thereby allow it to be an acceptable piece of mediocre filmmaking.
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I consider myself A HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE movie fan... and I really don't see how everyone thinks this movie is so horrible. Is it on par with Spiderman 1/2, X2, or Batman Begins? No. But it was probably on par or even better then X1. The story, directing, acting... it wasn't the damn Godfather but it wasnt horrible either. It was more good then bad, and I really enjoyed it. Most people apparently did too. You go to the movies to enjoy them, to have fun. And I enjoyed this movie and though it was lots of fun. In fact talking about it now I really wanna go home and watch it again now. Yes, I liked it enough to buy (well... ok rent and burn) it on DVD.
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I'd love to have first-hand proof of that... :)
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Well, agree to disagree, I guess. I, for one, thought Daredevil was pretty good, and I am definitely in the minority on that one.
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I liked Daredevil.. I also liked Elektra...
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I went in with very low expectations for both Fantastic Four and Terminator 3, and found that they were OK films. Just that... OK... not great, and certainly not as terrible as some here would claim.
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...was excellent. He's the first one in the role that I could truly believe, with all respect to Michael Keaton who had the right idea, and George Clooney, who despite being in one of the worst films of all time, is... well damn... he's still George Clooney, and I'd love to be HIS wingman someday...
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Like most of the stuff in FF1, they got the LOOK of the Fantasticar pretty much perfect. I still can't believe folks are raging on Alba as Sue Storm. She was fine in a role that the comic writers didn't even bother to develop or explore for the first 25 years of the book's run. I still maintain that the only thing the first movie flubbed was Doom's origin and giving him electricity powers. But everyone talking about what a deep and fantastic villain Doom is really should go back and look at the character's earlier appearances. He was a vainglorious megalomaniac in an iron mask. He was representative of the cold war enemy and the perfect symbol ofr our lack of understanding that enemy (hence the tinpan dialogue and underdeveloped backstory). He didn't get interesting until about the same time Invisible Woman did, when someone thought to add the angle with his mother being trapped in hell (I want to say that was Byrne in the 80s, but I can't exactly recall). But even after the character got that kind of complexity, he was often portrayed as shallow and short-sighted in the comics, which rarely sacrificed their overriding sense of humor. The silliness of the logic and the dialogue in the first movie was dead-on with that spirit of silly fun (leaving the angst to books like X-Men and young Peter-Parker centric issues of Spider Man). If FF2 carries on the tradition of a whizbang, not-quite-making-sense flight of fancy, I'm there with bells on.
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Kind of looks like one, anyway.
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Shit sandwich.
Dont have the highest hopes for FF2. Not a huge Alba fan either. Tail is tail. You're on the internet RIGHT NOW.. you want naked chicks 100x hotter than Alba? You literally are like 2 clicks away and you know it.
FF and other similar properties are a different kind of entertainment, and maintaining the integrity of those properties should be valued over casting of tail.
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Getting naked doest make you hotter. They can have slammin bodies, but they still aint as hot as alba.
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...AS GALACTUS!
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Hudson Hawk, these days or bonfire of the vanities. I recently saw Batman and robin on tv, one of the mosr reviled movies ever made and do you know. I laughed my ass off. Ben affleck has been playing the same role since his debut in legal eagles. He looks like a stone statue for gods sake. Elektra, there wasnt enough kick-assery in that one and the story was awful. The people who come to this site would be better not bothering going to the cinema because all the do is complain endlessly. so either start enjoying the films that are out there. or get a life, people. oh and I have some sympathy some of the trailers being made are really woeful, the holiday is good case in point. I am avoiding that one. but then again its not my type of films. Nancy myers has only ever made one good film. The re-make of the father of the bride. Martin Short was outstanding as franc. pity his career never recovered. Sorry about the length of this post.
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Worldwide, Fantastic Four made around $330 million, which isn't far off Batman Begins' $370 million. That's why it got a sequel. I'm not sure what taking it seriously has to do with things. I mean no disrespect to fans of the FF comics, but quite how you would take that material seriously is beyond my understanding. I honestly think people went in droves to FF precisely because it wasn't a serious film. It's a silly piece of fluff that just wants to make you smile. Sometimes, that can be a good thing, don't you think?
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You know, I finally saw FF over the Thanksgiving Holiday. (I was obviously drunk on turkey & wine.) Now, there is a lot I could say about that movie. But I'll just say this about your post: Say it ain't so! ;)
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Mark Frost. That's right, the Mark Frost of Twin Peaks fame. That just blows my mind.
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...truer to the comic. I know the present costumes were exposed to the same cosmic storm as FF were, which allows the fabric to change according to the power of each FF member. But what happens when they tear or get worn out? Even if they can withstand the powers of each wearer, they ain't indestructible, are they? What will they wear next? And just to chime in, I'm not excited about FF2 at all. The first one simply doesn't warrant excitement over a sequel.
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yea bullseye, another hot chick in another movie.. i mean really who gives a shit?? there are loads, it's such a cliche. "ah here comes the romantic interest, the HOT chick. whoa, look how hot she is." ehh there's a veritable cosmically-powered conveyor belt of so-called hotness on literally just about every place on the globe, in - gasp - real life. i'd much rather sue storm have a bit of matronly to her, doesn't have to be old but perhaps a bit more brainy than that bobblehead they've cast. gahh!
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...I am a huge Fantastic Four fan. I hated the movie. This doesn't mean I wanted them to take it seriously. Good God no! Have you READ any Lee/Kirby issues? That stuff is some of the most lighthearted (and greatest) comics ever. I would have loved to see anything approaching that level of energy and fun on screen. But instead we got a dull, nothing-happening movie aimed at lowest common denominator seven-year olds.
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with her hotttttttnesssss. As for the fantastic car it only looks good cause jessica alba is in the picture. Take her away and you got what looks like a giant electric razer. Still better than a giant floating tub. Lastly, I would have much preferred the fansticar to be some kind of high tech jet like in x-men. But as long as they nail silver surfer this will rule. Actually, as long as jessica alba is in every scene this will rule. With many camera shots at her butt, legs, lips, and sexily almost naked body.
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Hahaha!
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high expectations, youre bound to be disappointed. if you have no expectations and or igonre the negativity and accept that this and other films have limitations. you may enjoy certain films. Summer films are not made for the oscar crowd and they not meant to be taken seriously at all and yet some do.
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Is there anything inherently more stupid than a giant planet-eater with a giant purple helmet? The great thing about comics is that you can get away with that stuff. I'd love to have seen them do the full Galactus arc as it was written (but with better dialogue) just because it would be cool to see Kirby's visuals translated directly to film. But there is no way to sell that to modern audiences in that form without it it becoming pure camp. I wasn't a huge fan of Warren Ellis' Ultimatized Galactus, but I imagine that comcept will be closer to what we'll end up seeing. Now, if they had done this series as a 60s period piece with Kirby production design, it would have been something special. Would have grossed about $40 million total, but it would have been really great to see. And since I'm writing, I'll just throw my two-cents in about Batman Begins and Superman Returns. BB was a good movie and the best batman film ever made. it wasn't totally great, but what was great is that it got me excited about seeing the next one. None of the others did that. Superman Returns, which I just re-watched on DVD, is a mess. Good intentions, but was pretty boring (except for the airplane rescue) and the inclusion of Super-kid is just a problem that will ruin the chances of ever getting back on track. UNLESS - Retruns, Part Deux has Braniac kill the kid because he was not pure Kryptonian. Or at least vanishes him and we never see him again until Superman 10 - which will never be made.
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PackyMcCracken, that is either inherently stupid or inherently filthy - I'm not sure which. Funny either way, though.
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I'm sorry you didn't like the film. I haven't read a comic since I was a kid, which is a while back now, so I had no real expectations going in to the film and I ended up liking it a lot. If that makes me a lowest common denominator seven-year-old, then so be it. I'm not ashamed. Gimme eat!
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...is that we get to see ordinary people thrown into extraordinary circumstances with extraordinary abilities. What makes Spidey great is the conflict between Peter's guilt over Ben and Gwen driving him to heroism, and his desire to live a normal life. Smae with Superman, who is born different and wants to live like normal people, as well as nail Lois. So even in the fantastic world of comics, what makes a comic compelling is the realism, the realistic characters and reactions to environments. And that's precisely what was missing from movies like FF1. The reactions were stilted and unbelievable, we never got a sense of humanity and the inner conflict that people with such abilities and responsibilites would have after having their lives changed so dramatically (with the possible exception of Ben Grim). This is what made the Spidey movies so popular, because Raimi emphasized the turmoil of being a superhero, having your life irrevocably changed and having to deal with it. And the ways you convey this on screen are with dialogue (primarily) and acting (secondarily), and I've seen precious little of both thus far. For what it's worth.
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Dude, shut up. Anybody who thinks 'Fantastic Four' is a bad movie doesn't like movies? Yeah, that makes perfect sense. I bet you believe it too. No film is perfect, you say? No way! Leave the stale rhetoric at home. I think I speak for most people here when I say we "accept that movies have limitations" and we also like plenty of them. Soo, find another rationalization. The thing that drives me nuts is that people wouldn't defend this movie so passionately if it weren't based on a comic book. Without all of that history, it's just a mediocre movie, and it would be discussed around here just about as much as 'Sky High' (which was actually far superior, IMO, but since I don't like 'Fantastic Four' I apparently don't know what "fun" is, so who knows?).
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sure, the movie was 'fun' but even my 11 year old stepson wasn't crazy about it. You can have a fun movie that's still intelligent with good character development. They don't have to brood - but jokes about reaching for the toilet paper? Come on! I really hope they pay attention to the Ultimate 'verse with this one, because that's a good balance between fun and serious (though I haven't been crazy about the recent God War arc). And do something about Julian's voice to make him more Doom-esque. And give Reed a personality. And have the writing make sense. And, you know, make a better movie.
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"Is there a fantastican in here? Because I may have to take a fantasticrap." Thank you, Warren Ellis!
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I swore I wouldn't see this in theaters, and when I finally caught it on cable, my petulant "protest" of what I had heard they'd done to Dr. Doom turned out to be righteous. I cannot express how the words "This . . . is gonna be FUN!" would never, never, NEVER come out of the mouth of Victor Von Doom. The greatest villian in Comics history says things like "Stand aside, peasants!" and "I am DOOM!" He does not cock his head to one side and charmingly quip "Sue, let's not fight" like some mewling schoolboy. Ugh. Even "Ultimate FF", which I can only assume the movie's Doom origin was based on, managed to get the attitude of Doom more or less correct, even if everything else was screwed up. The FF movie was an embarrasment, and I expect the sequel will be worse.
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Or is this The Fantastic Veternarians?
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It'd be nice to see a really bad ass dr. doom without the jokes, and quips.... but i disagree that they totally ruined him. The actor playing him was wrong but I didn't mind the costume and his wicked use of powers. Plus it was a relativly young doom we were seeing. He just got his powers. He's not all badass 'I AM DOOM' yet. In the second one we should see a more evil calculating doom. If there is ever a third one then i hope that i even forget who plays doom and that he's just soo evil its uncomparable to any other villain in movie history.
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It was MEDIOCRE, but most geeks have to see everything in absolutes of black and white. Either it's a four-star masterpiece, or it's Batman & Robin. FF was clearly aimed at a younger demographic, and while it wasn't really for me, sometims it's okay to have a superhero movie that ISN'T filled with brooding "angst".
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lol @ "Stand aside, peasants!"
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If this was 30 years ago, you would be absolutely beside yourself with the thought of a FF movie.
Fucken enjoy it for what it is, a movie based upon comic books.
You pretentious fucken assholes. It's shitheels like you that help make people shun comic books.
What's that? The story wasn't good enough or believable? But you'll believe in people who are changed by a 'cosmic' storm.
I could go on, but for the sake of brevity, just fuck off and enjoy the entertainment. -
It doesn't look too bad, I suppose. It has a certain 1960's/futuristic element to it. I wonder who paid for it. Does the FF find themselves on the gov't payroll now?
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Funny, off-center flick. Proves that you do not have to be conventional to be entertaining. Now, on to the FF and comic book movies in general. FF the movie was disappointing. Not a horrible crapfest, just disappointing. But the one thing they absolutely nailed, the one thing that probably enabled a sequel, was the 'family' chemistry of the quartet. Any long time FF reader could not help but get chills down their spine when the FF first came together and rescued that fire truck on the bridge, and Johnny and Ben were superb throughout. That alone made the movie worth buying for me when it came out on DVD (ok I waited until the price dropped). To criticize any fantasy/comic book adaptation movie as being 'unbelievable' because of those very elements that make it a fantasy, is totally missing the point, and being a jackass to boot. And great sci-fi/fantasy/comic book movies can be entertaining and well made at same time. I give no movie genre a pass to make crappy movies simply because the source material is not some dried up Jane Austen snoozerama (no offense to the Jane Austenites intended - both of ya).
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that car looks exactly like it is a comic book/ superhero's car. just that gives me hope for this one. oh ya jessica alba is hot, but not hot enough to watch Honey.
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ONE thing in about one thousand they have to fix/get right for this to not suck as bad as the first movie... It's an uphill battle, that's for sure.
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What is it with you people? You heartily devour Singer's drastic changes to the X-Men without complaint. Meanwhile, you bitch about Doom's origin. Fine, I agree it could have been handled much better. But with the exposition now out of the way, Doom can still be the Doom we know from the source material. He has a much more compelling reason to hate Reed (not only his disfigurement, but also his loss of fame, fortune, and Sue), he could have feasibly taken over Latveria between FF1 and FF2, and who knows what experiments he's been up to since (Doombots, etc)? Meanwhile, Wolverine is still a 30-something 6-foot tall chick magnet, Rouge is still a screaming little girl, Scott is still a deceased follower, Kurt is still a self-hating self-mutilating introvert, etc.
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http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mo/fantasticar_hires.jpg
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Jump in ala Dukes of Hazzard?
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with the sound off of course, lots of lotion, tissues, and fast forwarding to parts where she dances
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Saying "from whence" is redundant since "whence" means "from where." I agree that this is the best looking thing I've seen from either movie so far.
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Thing will have his own Fantasti-vehicle, courtesy of Orange County Choppers.
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http://drworm.net/venturebrothers/ice/New%20Volume-61.jpg
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http://drworm.net/venturebrothers/ice/New%20Volume-61.jpg
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FF1 was probably one of the greatest comic book movies. It's easily up there with Howard the Duck, Batman and Robin, Elektra, and everyone's favorite Catwoman.
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I started collecting FF comics over 30 years ago, so my expectations were pretty high going into FF1. Were they met? Eh, not all, certainly, but some were. The dynamic between Johnny and Ben was perfect, IMO, and that's always been a HUGE part of the attraction of the characters to me. Evans and Chiklis were great, and that alone moved the flick above HULK status (at least FF had a character(s) I actually gave a shit about). Sue and Reed were hit/miss: Some moments worked; some didn't. Doom was a disappointment, but as a long-time fan, I've kind of tired of him over the years, anyway. Give me Galactus or Annihilus over Doom any day. I'll go into FF2 with an open mind - the car looks promising, at least!
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yer argument is a bit silly and fails because of the simple reason that ff has, what, 50 years of actual storyboards waiting to be re-written into something watchable and clever using a slice or two of the aformentioned HUGE swathe of rogues/technology/fantasy/humor and not re-worked as a pathetic, vacuous, music video of limp scope and arse-clenching acting. yep with fifty years of fun mythology to mine, it'd actually be harder to turn doom into a hackneyed corporate evil-doer (never seen THAT before!) and sue into a empty-headed bimbette. but somehow they succeeded and the words 'missed' and 'oppurtunity' don't even begin to graze the tip of the iceberg. so, uh, there.
galactus should be - if anything - a humanoid planet eater in the byrne mold (every sentient race perceives him differently when he appears) with a monstrous planet-devouring spaceship and a badass silver surfing herald because..? that's never been seen on film before. galactus as an invasion fleet of insectoid spacecraft a la ellis?? give me peace! -
...but the unreasoned hatred FF gets from a lot of folks who might have picked up a few issues of the comic in the 90s really crawls up under my shorts. Of the complaints I most frequently read, very few make a lick of sense. Folks said the Thing was too lumpy and not craggy enough. Check out his origin appearance. Folks say he was too small. Um, no. His height wasn't dramatically changed by the transformation, and he was test-pilot height (very narrow window, there - listed as 6-foot in numerous sources) before that. Folks said Alba was too young. Yet when the character debuted, she was called the Invisible Girl. There's at least a ten-year, probably mopre difference between her age and Reed's in the source material. Then folks didn't think she looked WASPish enough but complained that she looked stupid with blonde hair (I'll just let the idiocy of those statements sing for itself). People complained that Reed had almost no character? Um, that's been an in-joke of just about every writer on the title since its debut. And it was a focus of the movie. Reed has trouble expressing his emotions and connecting to other people. The rest of the team had character in spades, even if they were essentially caricatures (again, go back and read the source material to see where the inspiration for their traits came from). Then folks get up and on about the plausibility of the science in the movie and the logical flaws in service to the plot? This could've been a MOle Man story, people. With giant monsters living in the center of the earth. And that would've been MORE comic accurate. The only complaint that holds water for me is the one about Doom's origin, and now Immortal Fish has given us some hope on that subject. I had resigned myself to the idea that this was movie Doom and I'd just have to get used to it. But Fish is right. They could easily morph the character they've birthed into the character most of us think of when we think of Doom (they already have his look right). Whether they choose to go that route or not remains to be seen, but all of this pre-hate based on the unrealized imaginings of a bunch of fickle folks (who obviously weren't familiar enough with the source material to justify their attitudes to begin with) is just tired. Thanks for that rare and valuable optimistic perspective, Fish.
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For some reason, I subscribe to the belief that properties such as FF and Superman don't really translate well out of the comic book realm. But what do I know. I used to read "Groo: The Wanderer" and I'm DYING to see that turned into a film!
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gonna be as good as the first movie. i agree with a lot of people that the first movie had some misfires{no pun intended to johnny storm} and it was apparently not the best movie of last year. but it was great and mildly amusing in it's own way. the fantasticar looks kind of like...yes, fox looks like they are very serious about making this movie a big improvement from the first one. because the first movie made a surprisingly huge amount of money, had a not so surprising amount of modest reviews and fanbases and dvd sales. but so does every other movie these days. and even their sequels aren't even worth it and they always try and top themselves like toy story and the godfather mysteriously did. why? simple answer: because it can't be done. now, almost every other movie these days have the cast sworn to secrecy on some of the "cool new stuff" to surprise people with and all of that ends up being predictable garbage in the end. off the subject, i just watched supes returns on crappy single disc, no special features, and boring cover that i rented from tommy k's last night. it still blew me away the second time but not as much as the first time because after it was over, i still clapped and that always means one thing to me after enjoying an original and stunning movie...it can't be topped. even with every other "new age storytelling" these days. bottom line....the fantasticar looks ok. sequel-itis will keep plaging these kinds of movies until studio execs learn their lesson from last year's supposed "box office slump". oh, and the silver surfer is a mistake too.
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Look at that hi-res image and the Dodge logo is all over it. What a bunch of whores! Reed Richards is going to give Daimler-Chrysler manufacturing rights to his flying car? Probably is equipped with a Zune too. Should have had some balls and put a Stark Industries logo if anything.
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Store up to 10,000 GB's of information!!
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HONEY is a shit movie, but is utterly whacktastic. Jessica Alba is so hot that if she were in that piece of dog shit movie The Fountain, I'd watch that shit over and over again. That's how hot she is. Not only that, but I would have a white gooey substance dripping from my Tree of Life, as well. ("No, Hugh Jackman, stay away from my gooey substance! Arggghhh!")
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IT WILL SUCK.
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My conclusion on comics being made into films is that the films are a different medium playing to a different audience. I love some comic books. The Batman Begins film pisses me off because I wanted Year One made into a film . . . but with so many changes to so many characters in every comic film, sometimes you just have to accept its a different medium for a different audience. Also remember that although comics generally have pretty full and detailed pictures they are still books with a lot left to the readers imagination. My imagining of Year One on film with be different from someone elses which is probably why characters get retconned every so often in comics. I know Hulk was less than faithful to the comics but I still have it down as the best comic hero on the big screen yet. Spidey comes a close second and I may be in the minority but I liked Superman. We just need to accept that our costumed heroes will not appear on screen as comic readers want.
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Well?
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the Golem of the FF franchise. What a bad take on a great character. However, I love the 4 and will no doubt see the film.
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I'm a huge Dr. Doom fan and consider him one of the best comic villians. Heck I even collected all of the Doom2099 run, for shame I know.
Anyways even though they screwed the character up completely I thought the movie was alright, and was hopeful in the end as he was sent back to his homeland things could be righted. There's no reason his character can't be fixed, and i'd deal with it if he keep his American accent.
Anyways I'm willing to give this franchise another chance. But if they screw Doom again I'll give up hope for it happening ever. -
That's because Hollywood does not trust the audience to buy the superhero concept without an origin story, which is stupid because it's just repetitive at this point and the FF's origin story is not meaningful. The characterization, however, was spot on, with the exception of Doom. What they did to Doom was stupid and that actor from Nip and Tuck is one-note. Replace him, please. They are also going to screw up Galactus and the Silver Surfer, another tragedy, but if they nail the characterization of the 4 again, it will still be better than most of the other superhero films where they don't even get the characters. If they had done Elektra as a Greek tragedy instead of New Age crapola, it would've been an immediate improvement. With the Fantastic Four, there should be no limits to imagination, but you have a lot of very unimaginative people making superhero films (see Superman Returns).
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Seriously guys this bashing is played out bigtime. Sure the sequel may be shyt, but then it could be good. Who knows for certain. I s ay lets wait ti see a traler.
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Seriously guys this bashing is played out bigtime. Sure the sequel may be shyt, but then it could be good. Who knows for certain. I say lets wait to see a trailer.
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with the Hulk. But the film had ADD.
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I'm sure alot here will though. It's not Kirby enough, blah, blah, blah. A flying bathtub? Thank God we didn't get that. Thumbs up in my book.
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It's not too over the top and it doesn't look like they are trying to sell a tricked out toy for once(although, I'm sure they will).
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Since this is all about chiming in with opinions, let me throw my 2 cents in.............................................. I'd STILL fuck Jessica Alba hard, granny panties and all.....
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a very good Silver Surfer movie, except he isn't reborn as an alien with the power cosmic and a surfboard at the end.
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(who can tell what thats a quote from) it doesn't look like it can fly.
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one crows nest on a pole in the front for alba. everyone else sits behind that.
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Man, what will it take to bring Ultron to the big screen....maybe have Gary Oldman voice him......big maniacal adamantium robot, blasting worthless organic beings with his encephalo-ray....oh would that be rich!!!
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Umm... what?
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My favorite part of RoboCop
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Of course, I could be wrong and Doom's appearance in FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER will be better than SUPERMAN: THE MOVIE, SPIDER-MAN 2 and BATMAN BEGINS combined, but based on these gems so far...
"Susan...YOU'RE FIRED!"
"Get me on the a.m. shows, Larry King, cover of the Journal. Gonna have to do something about this scar. Make sure they only shoot me from my left side."
"Why the long face? Let's talk in my office."
"Same old Reed, always stretching, reaching for the stars."
Hurm. Unless Don Payne helps out Mark Frost better than Michael France did, and Tim Story is suddenly replaced, I'm not holding out much hope here.
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If you look at the picture you can see three chairs and the corner of a third compartment just off screen. Probably the reinforced seat equiped with bombay doors....
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movie. That's what happens in the comic books. No one wants to see a dour, serious FF movie. It's tired - how many times is Marvel going to repeat the NuMarvel crap that underperforms with their properties? Go with the original formula: high adventure and crazy theoretical science amidst family squabbles. Oh, and I want a Spidey/Torch crossover movie.
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for me as a Director.
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Alexander Payne wrote 'Jurassic Park III.' Just throwin' that out there...
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doggie style
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Weird, please don't make them black in FF 3!
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But if your going to go through the trouble of building a super futuristic flying car, complete with with sports car grill and headlights. why not put windshield and a roof on the damn thing.. better hope it doesn't rain or snow anything. I guess they can have Thing drive it so the rest of them won't have to pick bugs out of there teeth.
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one of the benefits of having superpowers - instant bug shield. The uniforms were navy, not black.
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the incredibles is what FF should have been. But that movie wasn't an origin movie. I think FF2 is gonna be action packed just the way we all want it to be
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As I already mentioned before, I agree he could have been handled better. But time has passed between each flick. He could have conceivably grown into the character figuratively torn off the pages from the comics. All the pieces have been put into place. There is absolutely no reason to suspect otherwise.Of course Doom wasn't the real Doom we know given his origin in the film. Why? Because it was HIS ORIGIN. He hasn't had time to grow into the same matured character that was abruptly introduced in FF ish #5 back in the 60s. Would a canned Doom have been more satisfying than seeing him go through his character arc, despite how you felt about how said arc was handled? Again, Doom can still be Doom in FF2. There is nothing preventing a pure, ripped from the pages adaptation from happening, given what was put into place in FF1. Nothing! And NOTHING can be said of ANY other adapted comic character, except perhaps any other character in the FF films, excluding Ben (who uncharacteristically swore off the cure)! In fact, Torch is the BEST ADAPTED comic character ever. Yeah, I'm including Bale's Wayne here only because he let Gordon drive the Batmobile. Hell, even Daredevil scores better, yet still falls short only because I don't see Murdock as a Star Chamberesque killer.FF1 wasn't a great flick, I give you that, but it was way better than the dreck some of you alleged comic fanboys gobble down. I point to anything Singer has done as example. His X-films were anything but bad, but they were also anything but faithful. And he fucked Superman. Prolly literally too.BTW -- Disregard anyone that refers to the group as "the F4" or calls the next flick F42. Clearly, they are not fans of the source material.
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TEASER FOR GALACTUS SITCOM: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3wRGiGj7kxY
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His point was that the dialogue in the movie was awful, which is a fundamental problem that comes with hiring guys like Simon Kinberg and Don Payne to do a script polish.
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I hope you people aren't hoping for a Galactus filled F4 movie this time around. I'll bet you anything the main focus of the film is Silver Surfer wrecking havoc here and there preparing the way for Galactus while at the same time Doom is getting his revenge on the Fantastic Four. In the end, Surfer will see the error of his ways and they will join forces to kick the hell out of Doom. At the end of the film, Galactus will arrive giving us a cliffhanger for the third installment. That's a no-brainer right there! There is no way that they would toss Galactus into the second movie full-on and then end up having to use a different villain for a third film. They couldn't top Galactus anyway (if he's done right), therefore leaving him as the villain in the third would make the most sense. Afterall, aren't all four of them signed on for a trilogy? I believe so. Julian McMahon was only signed on for two, so we won't be seeing him again after this one. Anyway, once more, I expect Galactus to be nothing more than a tease at the end of this film for what is to come in the third installment. I have a slight feeling that the same might happen with Venom in Spider-Man 3, but I'm not as sure on that one. I wouldn't be surprised though, as apparently the whole Spidey crew is being coaxed back by Sony for at least one more film together.
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Thank you. Any mental midget could figure out that Sue could easily conjure an invisible windshield, except for the sub mental midgets on AICN that are unfamiliar with the source material, yet find themselves tenured enough to expound upon it.Same thing goes for why Johnny doesn't have a seat. Oh, and it *is* Johnny that doesn't have a seat. I bask in anticipation of the replies explaining why Ben isn't riding shotgun, or at all.Kinda disappointed that the design doesn't appear to allow vehicular separation, but I can understand given that it's a movie adaptation. Still, it wouldn't suck if the GPS unit is nicknamed H.E.R.B.I.E.!
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It appears that you have joined they who have marinated in the FF1 past.I recognize and respect your ID as a comic realist. Can you not see how Doom can still be Doom in FF2?BTW, I'll happily eat crow if he doesn't.
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and ignore his treatment in the first film, sure, he could be fine. However, on what are you basing this optimism? Look at what they are doing to the Silver Surfer. I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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Nov 30, 2006 5:54:43 PM CST
I can't see Galactus being an actual entity in the film
by immortal_fish
Meaning, I don't see a visual representation of him forthcoming. He will be a penumbra, nothing more. Something that is addressed off-camera. There is no way a general moviegoing audience will buy a non-makeup wearing kabuki dancer as an eater of worlds. Case in point -- why does Galactus wear a mask? Is this a no-prize I missed?
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My optimism stems from the boilerplate left behind from the last film.What do you mean by 'Look at what they are doing to the Silver Surfer'? I guess I need a referential link. 'Cause it isn't easily screwed up, since the SS is a kinda 2-dimensional character ala the old man from the Friday the 13th flicks that exclaimed, "You're all gonna die!"Guess I'm not looking forward to the answer.
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"Super-hero" movies should also appeal to kids. Say what you want about FF-1 but every little kid that I've seen watch this flick is wide-eyed the way I was with the old SW movies. Most of the ones I've seen get bored by the PT and Spiderman, and BB is WAY out of their league. Yeah, FF-1 had some flaws in logic...so did Superman II. I can only imagine the repsonse that movie would draw from the 25-45 year old male-geek TB-crowd if it were released today, or there had been a TB back then. The people that over-analize the fuck out of movies based on characters who wear tights and fight crime. I hate to sound like a typical anti-geek-troll. But most of the movies you loved growing up, and still hail as a classics...you'd rip them a new asshole and nit-pick the shit out of it if it came out now. Aside from kids there also chicks, non-geeks etc. To suggest they're un-sophisticated just because they aren't intersested in seeing overwrought, heavyhanded bullshit in a comic-book movie is well...the reason geeks have the reputation they do. Look, FF certainly could have used some improvement, but some of the arguments I've seen raised against it are almost laughable. Like, relax. It's not checking your brain at the door, it's checking your snobby, jaded, raped-childhood ass at the door. Hey, just a thought.
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Financial decision that has nothing to do with quality or artfulness of original. Which did suck BTW. Sorry, I am a HUGE FF fan, have been since I first picked up an issue mumble mumble years ago (HINT: It was freshly raised to a whole 25 cents per issue). I wanted to like it. But the film was simply bad and I say that not for the reasons you might expect. It wasn't the acting (spotty as it was, McMahon sucks as Doom and it was the first and only thing so far I didn't like Chiklis in), it wasn't the effects (great), it wasn't the story (marginal, but better than many hero films). I didn't even really mind the way the screwed over Doom's origin and armor. No. It was sitting in a theater with the realization that good effect or not, Reed Richards just does not translate well as a film character. The effect was fine, but once Reed was taken off the page he just became 2 dimensional as strange as that seems. And it wasn't Grifudd's acting. He did a fine job. I just was horrified to realize Reed's humanity, strained as it was at times in the books, was GONE on film. NO WAY would Sue Storm be giving it up to him. Alba surprised me. She was much better as Sue than I had expected. It was Reed. He was kinda like Randall Flagg in The Stand. Jamie Sheridan's a fine actor, but the way the character lived on the page just didn't get to screen. That being said, I'll see this one if for no other reason I LOVE the Silver Surfer and Galactus may be my favorite Marvel villain of all time next to Proteus and Dark Phoenix (don't get me started on X3, DAMN YOU RAT!), maybe Thanatos.
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HE IS NOT A VILLAIN!!! HE IS AN OMNIPOTENT ENTITY THAT CONSUMES PLANETS TO SURVIVE. IT IS OF NECESSITY TO HIM TO MAINTAIN HIS EXISTENCE. HE IS ABOVE GOOD AND EVIL.
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SF/Fanatasy movies to be made for the geek crowd. I didn't mean more movies like FF when I said that.
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Let's star off with saying the reason the FF movie sucked is because the FF sucks! The ONLY mainstream marvel comic that I could never get behind. Aside from the Torch, none of the other FF seemed cool to me. The only reason Richards might be alright isn't becasue of his power, but his genius. The movie was doomed for the go. Speaking of Doom, McMahon didn't suck as Doom. The guy is a great actor and was the only thing (besides Alyssa Milanos boobs) that was good about that crapfest Charmed. He was a great badguy on that show. It was the writing and directing that made Doom a pansy-ass. Plus Doom doesn't get truly evil until he takes over Latveria and uses his science and technology to commit his hienous crimes. I'm looking forward to seeing how they handle him in the next one. If they write it right they'll have him even more crazy and bent on killing the FF for what they did to him. Make Doom the monarch that he should be and it will work. But the FF sucks anyway.
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Yeah, I'm sure it will be a great film.
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I'm not a fan of the FF so its not like I'm waiting with Baited breath or fuming over the failure of the previous movie but McMahon was the worst part of FF his acting was terrible and forced with that said I love him as Christian Troy its the role he was born to play if not (old) 007 which he kind of screwed himself out of. other then him the main problem with e FF is they did nothing for 3/4's of the movie. They spent half the movie Fighting Boredom.
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Eating planets full of sapient intelligent life is evil ergo he is a villain despite what he thinks of himself. Or he is the model on which Donny 2 Chins bases his diet, not sure which.
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Yeah yeah yeah, but look at the reality of WHEN Doom's character was created. He was an allegory for Soviet expansion and totalitarianism that arose during the Cold War. The whole Latvia thing would not have played the same to the kids of today as it did to us. It would have seemed a trite contrivance. They needed to do something. Not what they did maybe, but something. At least he never said, "You're fired!"
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Seriously... Why is it evil for Galactus who has no sense of evil or good to sustain himself? He needs to feed on planets. He has to choose the ones with the most life force... for him its like chosing between beef one night or pork the next. by your logic a human being starving to death at the north pole sort of like those people did in the movie 'alive' its evil of them to eat the bodies of their comrades. SO STFU ABOUT GALACTUS!! GALACTUS IS NEUTRAL! NOT A VILLAIN
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Ask a cow or a chicken.
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like STFU, you better just go head jump on in. Don't start acting like a dick and I won't treat you like one.
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I would love to see Doom and Kim Jong Il. Doom would fuck with him SO bad before killing him in some freakish and painful manner, the little freak would be praying for death.
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Suck it almost_human you vegginoid.
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so suck it
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The whole thing with the first film was taking normal people and turing them into super-heros/villains in a semi-convincing way. If they had started with Doom like the comic it would looked ridiculous. Story has said that Doom will be closer to the comic in the next film, and the last one impied as much at the end. Usually Doom just hates Reed...like there's some back-story that's never really explored much. The first film WAS the back-story. I mean, he didn't even get his mask till the end. Like Fish said, there's a shitload of motivation for Doom's hatred now. Skin disease? Yeah, the dude is supposed to be disfigured (hope they show him even more fucked up with his mask off) As far the nip-tuck guy...he did a good job for what he was given him by the story being told. I think he'll be fine in the new, more "fantastic" version of Doom this time. He's a big guy with crazy-looking green eyes. And Tim Story said the costume is much more Doom-esque in the sequel, so I'm sure the dude will eat it up now that he has more to chew on, and hopefully he'll surprise people with his performance. I guess we'll see.
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Galactus has full knowledge of races, cast systems, religions, everything that makes a race of beings a dominant species Hell he a mere mortal or something like it at one time he also makes someone from the planet he is going to eat his personal Planet Scout. Yeah that sounds pretty evil to me. I just loved how in the FF cartoon HE got B!tch Slapped by the Ghost rider with the Guilt and pain of everyone he's killed.
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the first FF got the Torch/Thing relationship correct...Reed looked like an idiotic loser not the brilliant leader shown in 40 years of comics...Sue was simply annoying...Doom was embarrassing to watch, the actors voice coming from behind the mask did not make him menacing to any degree...not to mention Doom had nothing to do with the origin of the FF in the comics...they ruined Doom and no one can make an excuse for it period...not being racist on this next point so don't get uptight over this...just making an observation...Alicia Masters was/is blond and caucasian in 40 years of comics...and the look and direction for FF was flat out weak...the story sucked, the dialogue sucked, the effects were weak except the Torch, the direction was weak at best...the Thing in pants looked very out of place (and yes I know Byrne and others did this in the comics)...I don't understand how Marvel would yank Ang Lee yet keep Tim Story...they both dropped the ball...this film should have been held off as was Hulk 2 for franchise rebuilding...film for film there was more correct per the characters personalities in Hulk than FF...it's a shame with all the resources of Hollywood and Marvel post X1 and Spidey1 that Hulk and FF were mangled so poorly...Story and the writers should be fired from FF, they obviously don't have any copies of the original comics...I know this all sounds very negative...I didn't hate FF as some did...but, they got more wrong than correct...we can only hope they get FF2 and the Surfer right this time around....blah blah blah...
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Alot of what you sadi is true but you can;t nitpick for making Alicia black they did it to Kingpin and MCD was only person who could have pulled that role off. And I care what Jessica Alba does as long as it in a skin tight suit. I dont give a crap. That might not be high brow, it might not respect the FF franchise but she's hot. DAMN HOT.
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No, I believe that they can still "fix" the character of Doom so that he's more-or-less recognizable from the comics, I'm just saying that it won't necessarily fix the movie. At least, depending on what criteria you judge the movie on. But yeah, Doom's character is in an interesting position. My guess is he's going to try and steal the power cosmic, which was a storyline in the comics too I think.
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...on opening day.
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bitch? suck it? Amateur. Thank you playing and Galactus is an evil villain.
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That would be because you are paying attention. That is the first rule of successful evolution and beating natural selection, you know: pay attention.
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Fantastic Four was utter shite. As the sequel will be. Just calling a spade a spade.
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maybe. Silly? absolutely. And By the way, just because someone says he is not evil doesn't make it true. Lying is a pretty standard thing evil people do. Kind of like Bringing Sexy Back lying about not being brokebackcowboy. Finally, don't waste time quoting wikipedia- when that happens loads of people call it shite and produce other sources in response.
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I enjoyed talking about Fantastic Four with the Aint It Cool Friends very much yesterday. So much, in fact, that I was compelled to buy the DVD on the way home from work. And I watched it! Turns out, it was even better than I remembered. Kind of the Ghostbusters of superhero comic book films, very comedic in tone. I choose to naively believe that every penny of my £5.99 investment will go toward the production of Fantastic Four II: Fantasticer. I'm not sure what that buys you these days. Some cotton buds for Ms Alba, maybe.
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I knew that would annoy someone. Please rest assured, I'm not suggesting Fantastic Four is as good as Ghostbusters (it's definitely not), just that it had a similar tone. The comedic nature of it (rather than being structured like an action film), the interplay between the characters, and the very public way they band together as heroes (and in New York!) reminded me very much of that film. It struck me very much while watching FF that it was an unusual tack to take in translating a comic and I liked it. I also like your RC Cola/Dom Perignon analogy, which seems pretty fair. Sometimes, a cold can of cheap pop can really hit the spot.
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Oh, I'd wager that 'Fantastic Four' has quite a few memorable lines...
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"No, let's."
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but it wasnt as bad as some make out. Yes, Doom was handled terribly, theres no denying that, but hopefully Doom will be handled better in the sequel.
The FF themselves, well, aside from watching Jessica Alba in a skintight blue suit, theres not much to shout about. Human Torch was annoying, Mr Fantastic has absoulutely no personality, although I thought The Thing was well performed by Michael Chiklis.
As far as the sequel goes, the Fantasicar seems a little too comic-booky for a movie, seems they're trying to move away from the Spider-Man formula of basing superheroes in a real-life world.
Galactus probably wont be seen until the very end of the movie, with Silver Surfer & Doom as the main villains.
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The Thing - broadly good. I have no problem with the suit - it looked OK, and was in keeping with the original 60s Thing. Let him go rocky over time. I was even OK with Johnny Storm. He had the best bit in the entire movie - when Sue says "Don't even think about it", and he replies "Never do", and leaps off the building. Very much in keeping with the character. Reed? complete personality bypass - but to be fair he had nothing to do. Alicia was completely wasted. As for Alba, no, she is not my vision of Sue Storm - not by a long chalk. But you have to understand the appearance of the 4 was quite Aryan - and the studio had to inject a little 'colour'. Don't hate me for saying it - you know it's true. I would rather she was as she was in the comic - but we don't live in a world where that wouldn't be miscontrued, and you know it. Doom of course was completely mishandled in every concievable way. The greatest comic book villian in history - completely raped. I really hope that Story makes something of this - the FF are my favourite superheroes by a mile - but I'm not going to hold my breath - there were a few things right with FF1, but SO much wrong.
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Why is this even an issue? Why is changing elements of the casting picked on for this movie when it certainly has other flaws which are legion? Do we care that Wolverine is 6'3" instead of 5'0"? Well, some did, until Jackaman kicked ass. Do we care that Rogue is no where near as stacked as she is portrayed in the comic book -ok bad example. Still, Anna Paquin did a good job with the character. So, why is Sue Storm and Alicia Masters an issue? If they stunk out the joint - which they most certainly did not, it still would not matter what race thet were. That both of them did a fine job means that some people are just nit-picking. The movie was disappointing - no question. But race had damn diddly to do with it. Get over it. And no, the movie bosses where not sitting back saying 'we have to inject some color into this.' Alba was cast because she is smokin hot. You can question her age (miscast no doubt) but not her talent or race.
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LOL!!11eleven Nice "manta ray" design, but how will the middle section break apart, genius? ^_^
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http://www.bekko ame.ne.jp/i/atb/guild/ images/jul2005/fantasticar.jpg
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I hope Thing doesn't hit his head on the rocket launcher ^_^
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"We gotta put a big 4 on this flying car!" "Why?" "'Cuz we're the Fantastic 4! We must identify ourselves to the citizens!" "How many flying cars do *you* see daily?"
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made Reed a little too boring. That and the way they wrote the character. They were too concerned about making Reed overly appealing (the WB version of Reed). You really shouldn't identify with Reed and he should seem almost inaccessable except to those who really understand him. It's one of his flaws. That's why they should've chosen someone who was good looking, but a little more mature (like Clooney).
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He also collects indentured servants via threatening holocaust on their planets.
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Doom and Reed go to school together instead of fighting over Sue (in other words, not in WB land), Doom goes back to his home country and overthrows the government assuming power. Doom has it out for Reed because he was the superior intellect back in school and Reed is helping the US government attempt to overthrow Doom's coup. The first film should've been about character development and not introducting Doom anyway - attack of the Moleman would've been fine with me.
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Hehe... http://tinyurl.com/v2qo5
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The more I think folks should just rewatch Corman's FF.Humor me. Scan the TB and pick a post at random. Hopefully it's a "they shoulda done" type post. If it is, I bet their wishes were addressed in Corman's flick. I played this game several times as a test before posting this and it worked each time.Now, Corman's flick was a low budgeted yet inspired mess that was littered with decent moments. But c'mon... who honestly preferred Corman's FF over Story's?
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Agreed Reed's coldness was one of his weakness in the books, but I think it was a flatness of character that bothered me. Reed really struggled with it. You are correct, sir. It WAS Ian's acting.
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Folks are critiquing in silly ways. Consider...
"Alba was a piece of ass and nothing more." Do a text search in your browser and look for a post by Childe Roland. Therein, he makes the case how Sue was nothing more than the token chick member for 25 years. I own over 350 issues of the FF. He's right. She was the penultimate equal opportunity identity in the group before Namor swept her off her feet.
The few times Evans is criticized it is always, "He was annoying." In the source material, Johnny is annoying. If anyone has a passing familiarity with the character, then his portrayal was spot-on.
"Reed was a bore," or, "Ioan had was given nothing to do." For the latter, they are rawng. To those who paid attention, Reed accomplished (or was working toward) quite a bit in the film. In the beginning, he was trying to secure money. After the launch, he took charge. After Thing escaped, he led the search. He owned the montage in the Baxter Building doing all the research on the group. And he led the team toward defeating Doom. Yep, he sure did nothing in the movie allright. And to think I may have missed a few items! And as to the former, again, in the source material, Reed certainly is a bore. Another spot-on characterization.
"Thing was okay." Well, gee, the one member of the group that had more spin-off titles than any other member of the group? The one with the most licensed shit for sale? Even had his own Saturday morning cartoon? In other words, the most popular character in the group was the most liked in the film? Color me shocked.
I've already made the case about Doom, meaning that his origin was screwed yet the die has been set for the character to be a spot-on adaptation from the source material in the sequel. Let go of your hate for FF1 and you may be able to see this. (Hat tip to Wonka) -
I tell you SNinja these TB's don't come alive till they drop Transformer's news.
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he's kind of a bore. I mean, how do you make Sir Lancelot boring? Ian knows.
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in the film because Ian is a borish actor. The man has ZERO charisma. It's passable - don't get me wrong, it's just not going to set the world on fire. On the other hand, I really dig Alba as Sue and if you read any of the FF during the 80s she is extremely close to that characterization where Sue became more of a "modern" woman. Chiklis and Evans are absolutely perfect and I could watch them read the paper as those characters.
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of hating Murphy and reviling everything about the travesty that is the live-action Transformers, but there is only so much one ninja can take.
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Reed was always a carbon copy, pipe smoking, cookie cutout 'Father Knows Best' character that didn't become compelling until the revelation in the 90's that he planned the outcome of entering the cosmic storm. And he hasn't been compelling afterward until the Illumnati hit. There have been a few moments here and there, such as his reaction to Sue and Namor as well as him annoucing Ben dead after the second brawl with the Hulk and a few moments with Franklin. Yet ultimately, Reed is an aloof, unapproachable, misunderstood, and, yes, 'boring' character. He's Bruce Banner without the suppressed rage; i.e. brilliant yet boring. And Ioan's portrayal of such a character? Mission accomplished.
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simply because of the fact that he has a brilliant imagination. He's an imaginaut, not just a science. Everything he deals with is theoretical, so they should just drop the technobabble and show it instead of trying to explain it for the Trek nerds to pick apart later.
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They DID show it. The montage of him doing what he does was broken up by a mundane reach for toilet paper for a reason -- To break up the barrage of Reed's intellect on the audience and ground him with the audience as one of us.
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was and forever might be one of the lamest characters ever invented. I explained him to my little broother like this:
Long, long ago, there was a really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really big giant who ate planets. One day, he happened upon a planet inhabitted by a comparibly tiny person and the rest of his species. He the little man told the giant that if he spared his own planet, he would become his slave for life and look around the universe for other planets for him to eat. The giant agreed, and made him into a tiny, silver man empowered with an awesome surfboard.
Um, that's really unrealistic. I mean, first of all, Galactus would have to be bigger than Earth to eat Earth, wouldn't he? And wouldn't the people on Earth see him approaching from light years away? And where in the world does a planet-sized person purchase a tacky blue and purple outfit with a ridiculous hat that Elton John would feel jealous of?
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Wow. You really don't see the Jesus analogy made even more compelling considering it was written by a Jew, do you? You would make Kirby and Ditko cry.
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The Marvel Universe seems to endorse the expansion-contraction-expansion model of cosmology. Galactus is a being from the previous expansion, universe if you will, that was from a type IV or better civilization (on the Kardashev scale) meaning their technology would be indistinguishable from natural process. Practical magic in other words. The machinery that allowed him to survive the last contraction and into this expansion is his ship and suit. They also require copious amounts of energy to operate and keep him alive hence eating planetary objects. Nit picking aside, that is an ass kicking villain.
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It's impossible casting with him doing the show House and all. He would have made a perfect fit
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The "And another thing to consider" post above is itself "spot-on" imo. Along with the Childe Roland posts. Doctor_Sin..."We gotta put a big 4 on this flying car!" "Why?" "'Cuz we're the Fantastic 4! We must identify ourselves to the citizens!" "How many flying cars do *you* see daily?" That was the thing that was cool and "Ghostbusters-esque" about the first film imo. They're celebrities. They have to have the logos on their car in the same way the Ghostbusters did. And of course, Johnny would naturally INSIST on it. In fact I wouldn't be suprised if there's a scene where he's the one who puts the 4's on despite objections from Reed and the others.
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http://tinyurl.com/y5o62z
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really come across as all that smart. And going to the toilet may humanize a character, but not in the way I'd prefer. I don't hate him, there's just room for improvement.
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If light can pass through the Invisible Woman, how can she see when she's invisible? If hair is dead anyway, how can she control whether or not they're visible?
How does the Thing use the bathroom? If he's a pilot, why doesn't he pilot the Fantasticar?
Why doesn't the Thing just chizel away at his rocky epidermis until only a skin-soft layer is left?
Since Mr. Fantastic's skin seems impervious to wrinkles, does that mean that -- externally, anyway -- he will always appear to be in his prime, while his wife will grow old, saggy, and wrinkly? -
STAY TUNED!
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Sue become invisible because she forms a force shield around her that funnels light around her. She isn't actually tranparent, just technically invisible. It is similar to the idea of wave guide baffles that scientists are currently testing out with microwaves in an attempt to build a cloaking device. Look, if you haven't read the material, which seems to be the case, how can anyone take what you say about FF seriously?
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Good idea.
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a true fanboy answer or what? lol SHIT! I slay myself sometimes.
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I think you're missing the point about invisibility. In order for the eyes to function, light has to be allowed to reflect *perfectly* off certain parts of the eyes. Regardless of whether light passes through her or around her, if light's reflection off of her eyes is hindered in any way, she can't see. The Invisible Woman is thus blind when she's invisible.
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the wave guides compensate. All the light does not have to be rerouted around. It can be routed anywhere a guide can direct a photon. Physics.
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How does Sue know how to build a complex geometrically variable wave guide capable of rapid on the fly restructuring? Is it instinctual or a learned skill? Of course the Marvelites would say instinctive to avoid further degeneration into dissembling. A story's internal logic only need go so far as suspend disbelief without destroying credulity. Unless incredulous is the writer's desired response.
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I completely agree.
And another question: Just how long are those gripping spikes on Spider-Man's hands and feet? They didn't seem to be long enough to pierce through the relatively thick fabric of his gloves, let alone the thick rubber of his boots. So how does he stick to walls? Also, if they are long enough, wouldn't that still mean that he'd practically rip his gloves to shreds on a daily basis? -
That is all.
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it is just a movie. the ppl in it are just ppl. why dont you all just get a life. jessica alba could care less about all of you she would spit on you and call the cops so shut up already.if you didnt like the movie ok dont watch it.you nerds are so annoying why dont you get a real girlfriend and treat her right instead of lusting after a chick on a screen who doesnt give a crap. oh wait your all such losers that no real girl would give you the time of day expecially when your upsessed with another girl. you nerds are the reason why there is ppl that think there all that becuase you idolize them while they laugh at you and treat you like dirt. your all a waste of human life.
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Join the fight against giant cloud bull-hooey. add as a friend on myspace.com/galactuswearspurpl epants and my new facebook group (search for galactus)
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