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We spoke of this way back in May, but it looks like HBO has finally confirmed it is developing a series based on Garth Ennis’ DC/Vertigo comic book.
The pilot is being scripted by Mark Steven Johnson (“Jack Frost,” “Daredevil”); Howard Deutch (“The Whole Ten Yards”) is attached to direct. That’s the writing-directing team that brought us “Grumpier Old Men”!
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HBO is where a series like this belong. Who else could bring us arseface.
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I forgot... firsties!
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I can't wait for GHOST RIDER and MSJ has said for YEARS that he wants to make Preacher. Just glad that they're doing this for HBO and not for some butchered movie.
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-no Rachel Taladay film...
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I have a boner
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until I saw some of the people attached. Maybe it'll work though...it's hard to screw up something this cool. I'd love for them to get Gerard Butler for the lead but I don't think he can do the southern accent required.
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or a better team to develop it? if they're gonna do possessed clergy with special powers, why not just fund carnivale season 3?
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so let's start a hypothetical cast... I have no idea...
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my thoughts exactly. it's a damn shame.
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I love Preacher, the comic book, but I will be SHOCKED if they can pull it off for the screen. Seperate from that, I recommend that we prepare to all beat the crap out of the first person who says that Preacher's superpower is copied from that chick on Heroes. (you know, the one that works with Hornrimmed-Glasses Guy...)
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Who is gonna play Jesse Custer? I know that James Marsden was going to do the movie version, is he still attached?
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HBO is likely going to HAVE to change some of the more disgusting elements of preacher - not because of censorship, but because in the books Garth eventually goes further than is entertaining - when they do can we all cut them some slack? (p.s. I own every issue of preacher so am very excited about this)
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Are you fucking crazy? PREACHER is one of the greatest stories ever told. I am so psyched this is going to be a series instead of a movie or a mini series. It deserves it.
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Wrong wrong wrong.
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Fucking A this is good news! HBO has KING KONG SIZED BALLS to do this!!!!
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Have the people who think carnivale and preacher are comparable ever read Preacher? Im not knocking Carnivale at all here. But they have nothing in common. And guys, preacher is fucking FUN! I love a lot of different vertigo comics and love them all for different reasons but nothing compares to Preacher for straight ahead awesome action adventure fun. Well - ok. Transmetropolitan does (put down that chair leg of truth, spider!), but I figure it would be a lot more expensive to produce.
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I can just hear the promos now---"from the director of Pretty in Pink..." Sheesh!
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To compare it to Preacher is an atrocity. That show was fucking boooooring.
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...MSJ should be directing this. I like the DD D.C. a lot and think Ghost Rider looks awesome. Why wouldn't he do this? They should get guest directors like Smith and Rodriguez to do episodes, that would be cool.
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Marsden is fundamentally boyish. Jesse Custer is a manly man. If Marsden could play manly he had the chance as cyclops. he couldnt fill those shoes (in my opinion) and he'd be like a little kid in Jesse Custers size 10 cowboy boots. Since this is an HBO series, though, I wouldnt worry about it. They dont need to stunt cast. They will find a perfect actor for the role. Likely someone we've barely heard of up until now.
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Preacher is easily one of the best available properties. It's a book that would be perfect for HBO.<br><br>Get over Carnivale. It's over.<br><br>I *am* nervous about the writer & director, but maybe we'll get lucky and HBO will find somebody better-suited for the regular series.
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Did anybody read that Preacher script that was on the net a few years ago? They completely butchered the story. This is the only way to tell the Preacher story. Over many years.
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I like the guest director idea. Change it up over the course of the series. I have confidence in Johnson, he's a fanboy, the other guy???
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who will play Bill Hicks?
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MSJ and the director of Grumpier Old Men?! For my favorite comic of all time? This cannot be true.
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He's got the look, but come over a touch soft for me in the Spiderman flicks. Possibly he'd need to bulk up slightly.
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The Closest Actor to Jesse Custer working today is matthew mcconnaughey. I expect he is far too big and expensive for an HBO series, but if you guys want to aim for a Jesse Custer type I would have him in mind. Die his hair an oily black and he pretty much IS jesse custer.
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Nov. 29, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST
Preacher + Director & Writer of Grumpier Old Men = Mess
by TheBigChill
The entire Preacher series is by far one of the greatest comic book properties out there, and when I saw the headline that HBO had picked it up I immediately became excited. Unfortunately, this excitement didn't last long due to the fact that I discovered who would be directing it. Granted, directing for the big screen in comparison to the small is completely different, but it makes me nervous. I really wish this was under a creative team that was better known for their action/thriller/black comedy, not their ability to crack a joke about an elderly person's difficulty with flagalence. Hopefully they will be able to pull it off, because otherwise it will be a damn shame to ruin such a great entity. Also, I can see where people would make comparisons between Preacher and Carnivale. The entire Preacher and God thing, but Preacher is far different. Both are extremely interesting, and it is unfortunate that Carnivale came to an end, but I hope that they will be successful with Preacher. Crossing my fingers
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Jesse - Justin Chambers Tulip - Joran Ladd Cassidy - Cillian Murphy Starr - Ian McShane Saint of Killers - Danny Trejo That's what I came up with off the top of my head. I didn't spend much time on it, but I think they fit.
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And if I, again, could pick anyone in hollywood to play anything - the perfect choice for Cassidy, despite being darker haired than he looks in the comic - would be Colin Farrell. Much like mcconnaughey is Custer, Farrell IS Cassidey.
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Can't wait for PREACHER on HBO, but damn, a series based on Grant Morrison and Richard Case's DOOM PATROL run produced by David Lynch and Mark Frost would certainly rock.
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Now I'm really pissed. You're telling me that the director of The Whole Ten Yards/Odd couple 2 (yeah i went on imdb) and the guy responsible for Simon Birch, Jack Frost, and the cheesy Daredevil (nu-metal and playground battle) is gonna direct Preacher? I mean if these dudes were handling Watchmen everyone would freak, and Preacher deserves no less. I mean if you slammed up these guys' filmographies, could you even average a 3 star review?
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From the sound of that creative line-up this series needs to have its neck stamped on, fast. Just like Jesse did with Odin Quincanon. And what the hell happened to the Sopranos guy's involvement anyway? If ever a property needed a mature and restrained guiding hand its this one.
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My dream cast would be: Jesse - Nathan Fillion, Tulip - Katee Sackoff, Saint of Killers - Clancy Brown. Still thinking about Cassidy. Maybe Ben Foster or Ryan Gosling.
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The series is mostly low key in terms of the spectacular and can easily be filmed with low budgets. The story arcs are short and fairly independent - each book of the collected series could be done in a single season - yet when put together make a cohesive storyline. There are several spin off books that can be used for stand alone episodes. Overall, it is probably the series most easily adapted to television, provided the content doesn't have to be watered down.
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What audience wouldn't want to see a tiny guy fucking a meat-woman?? Ah...well-played... Who do you guys see for Jody and T.C.? Cassidy...what about the drug dealer from "Go?" Desmond Askew? He was a great talent and with that shit film Turistas, he will be back in the public eye...
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What spin-offs? I'm fairly new to comics and am unaware of spin-off books. If you could point me in the right direction, I'd appreciate it. On another note, I'm not worried about the writer director team. Preacher is a pretty straight foward story (unlike Watchmen) with little symbolism and few special effects. It would probably be pretty hard to change that much.
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balls to carry this to its full potential. I love that comic and its graphic content was absolutely necessary for the story, but will American audiences see that? Dunno. And they really need the main 3 to be no names.. and then pepper other roles like Arse Face's Sherrif father and the Saint of Killers to be cool bigger name actors. All the Saint of Killers I've seen above are good, but no one has mentioned David Carradine.
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When man, when? When's it gon' be our time?? When's someone gonna give us a Watchmen miniseries?
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until long after the Movie that is coming out in a couple years.
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Yeah. Lets keep it that way...
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"not enough gun."
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not only is marsden wrong... but Preacher is by far the best comic series ever. Ennis at his best... this news today is the best news I've had ALL YEAR.. HBO instead of some movie that'll butcher it? They do a pretty good job with Dexter, the book is slightly different at the end, but they made the show a tad better. stretch it out. If they change any of Preacher , hopefully Ennis will either be attached or give his blessing. I'M SO EXCITED, AND I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT.... I'M ABOUT TO LOOSE CONTROL AND I THINK I LIKE IT... OOO YEAH Pointer Sisters own!... well that song owns.
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MSJ is the "hard-ass" between the the two (which aint saying much). Expect a major pussification of the material. Their only hope is to get the Carnivale crew to handle the cinematography, and HBO to handle the casting and music choices. Keep that nu-metal garbage outta there. Either way, I'm not hyped by this news one bit.
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MSJ is a good writer and I feel comfortable that he is one of the producers on the show. But Deuth? WTF is that about?
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Bitch all you want about Dardevil, the Director's Cut is one of the best comic to film adaptations. And Ghost Rider looks fucking awesome.
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Why does everyone think that this is the best comic series ever? Sandman, Watchmen and Fables are all just as good and at most points better, IMO. I have read all the trades of all of these books. Preacher is great and it's what got me addicted, but it's not the best ever.
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A dead ringer for Jesse Custer.
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Garth is a smart fucking guy and if he's trusting HBO and these guys who must know they're going to handle his baby right.
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He's too fucking dour for this.
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i'm still not sure the series could ever work as anything other than a comic. this is definitely the best way to adapt it, but i don't know if i see them pulling it off.
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THey're not afraid of controversy and they've going to need it with Preacher!
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I own all the preachers and it is by far one of the greatest stories I have ever read, other than the ending which was a little too happy for my liking. I mean, the story's all sorts of fucked up along the way then it ends on a completely different note. But, the ride is all that matters, so at least if they don't get to finish the series, which I suspect they won't, it will not be too big of a let down. And for those that think this creative team can't possibly do this justice, it's not like they'll make the Allfather Michael Clarke Duncan! Shit...
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DD was mishandled. Ghost Rider looks fucking AWFUL. And what the hell is Howard Fucking Deutsch doing involved? Jeezus. Preacher has been screaming to be an HBO series for years, these guys better not fuck it up.
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Met him at Wizard World. He cares about the fans and fucking Ghost Rider looks AWESOME!
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...The writer of DAREDEVIL, GHOST RIDER, ELEKTRA (!!!), JACK FROST (not the lame, but funny horror movie, but the horrible Michael Keaton flick), Big Bully... I'll give you that Howard Deutch gave us PRETTY IN PINK, but he also gave us ODD COUPLE II!!! Get ready for the hardcore suck people...on a CONSTANTINE level!!!
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The bottom line is, these guys got it done when everyone else failed. That should tell you something. I would rather Johnson be directing. I loved DD (go ahead and kill me) and I will be there to see Ghost Rider as well.
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...if you haven't seen the Director's Cut of Daredevil you haven't seen Daredevil.
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I don't understand this.
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Nov. 29, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST
There have to be other casting ideas other than Franco
by Johnny Storm
Who else for Jesse Custer?
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He'd be a good Custer, but I doubt he would do it. He also is a tad too old for it. Elisabeth Shue for Tulip.
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There were five one shots delving into the pasts of Cassiday, Arseface, Jody and TC, Starr and Jeese and Tulip, most of them delving into their pasts. Each of these could easily be made into a one or two hour episode. There was also a four issue miniseries that told the origin of The Saint, which again could be a good two hours on its own.
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Preacher is good stuff, one of the best of the Vertigo line, but DAMMIT! This is money that should be spent on a Dark Tower mini-series!
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Singer cared more about Superman than XMen. Anderson cared about AVP and Resident Evil. Solomon cared about the D&D movie. Caring just doesn't make up for a lack of talent. I'm not saying MSJ will do a bad job, but his track record offers legitimate questions that can't be answered with "he cares."
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But I really thought Preacher sucked as a comic. Garth Ennis is so UNBELIEVABLY overrated. "Oh look he uses lots of curse words and violence! Let's go jerk each other off!" Oh, I guess I'll watch it anyway.
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At the time Preacher came out, there was nothing else quite like it. The same applies to the other series you mention. It may be more straightfoward than some other series, but that doesn't mean it lacks depth. It is also both more fun and funnier than the series you mention. So which is better is simply a matter of taste. But when you couple these differences with the relatively low level of FX elements, I think it makes it MUCH easier to adapt faithfully into a television format.
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but he still fucking sucks. what the hell is wrong with you people?! Daredevil was TERRIBLE. The script for that movie had AIDS.
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Fillion could pull it off, he'd just have to let his hair grow out, and we know he could do the accent. The only problem is he's supposedly got a series deal with Fox in the works. Another good pick would be Skeet Ulrich. For Cassidy, I'd go with Jason Barry. He'd rock that part. Tulip..hmmm...we'd need a bad ass blonde, I'd say Thea Gill. She looks like her and I think she'd be great opposite Fillion.
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Are the one-shots you mentioned in 'Ancient History' or any of the other trades?
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Well since its HBO they'll probably hire some great British actor who will seem like he was born for the role.Its happened before it'll happen again.
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That's like looking at "Taxi" and asking Tim Story to direct "Fantastic Four".
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You've got a good point...Damian Lewis as Winters in "Band of Brothers" was as good as they get.
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...that it would end up on HBO or even Showtime rather than a feature film. But that's where it ends now that I see who's writing it. This is one of the best series ever (and the one that brought me back to reading comics again). I can't imagine the casting...all the actors mentioned wouldn't fit the part...they need to go with an unknown I think. This is looking so bad that even Alan Moore who had nothing to do with it is starting to distance himself from it!
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...that it would end up on HBO or even Showtime rather than a feature film. But that's where it ends now that I see who's writing it. This is one of the best series ever (and the one that brought me back to reading comics again). I can't imagine the casting...all the actors mentioned wouldn't fit the part...they need to go with an unknown I think. This is looking so bad that even Alan Moore who had nothing to do with it is starting to distance himself from it!
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Guess you never heard of a little show called "The Wire"...
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Preach had an effect on me, I moved away from local comic shop right after I bought the first Preacher tb but loved it. Read it while waiting for a movie to start one time, great book. I do trust MSJ, directors cut of DareDevil was really good, not Spiderman or X2 good, but better then a lot of other stuff out there. Elektra on the other hand was...just strange. Ghost Rider has my attention though. Not sure why he isn't going the directors route with this, but maybe they are planning on doing the rotating directors thing, did it say that Deutch was going to be doing the whole series or just the pilot? This may be worth me getting HBO
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Daredevil was a disappointing and forgettable movie and I really hope HBO will get someone with vision to direct the series. But that's not important. Important is that the best J.C. is Ron Livingston. He looks just like Dillon's drawings. He's has a good sense of humor (as one can see from Band of Brothers DVD bonus materials) and that's one very important side of this character. I just hope he can do action scenes... I will be really-really disappointed if tv-s Jesse Custer will just be another brainless ass-kicking comic book character. Or, even worst, another Marsden-like forgettable pretty-boy
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Since Heroes is so popular why not do Wild Cards? It is more mature and would fit well on a movie channel. And, why not do the short lived JOKER comic! Talk about original. Everyone does Batman. Time to see it from the Joker perspective. For real trippy do the John Stweart Green Lantern series, can't recall the name now but at the time it was very interesting and surreal. I'm also in for Doom Patrol.
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Get the guy who plays Carcetti on the Wire. he's Irish and rocked in Some Mothers sons. Aidan Gillen http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0318821/
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One of the finest Irish actors out there.
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You just can't drop a bomb like this and walk away without an explanation. It's like saying the Sandman adaptation will now be handled by the creative team of Agent Cody Banks 2....'kay bye! MSJ needs a press conference stat.
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I think the guy who plays Sawyer in Lost might make a decent JC. As for Cassidy, can Shane McGowan (ex of The Pogues) Act?
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I know it is strange to allow the director of "Getting Even with Dad" to be in charge here....but he does have a reputation for coming in on time and on budget..as well as working on TV series. Add to that, a working relationship with Johnson, and you have the guy who will sit back and keep the kids in line when they need it. Please feel free to get rid of him if you like...then the show can have an expanding budget and slow output like Carnivale and Deadwood and get tanked right in the middle of the action. Sopranos is the worst offender, but they get away with it since they are HBO's cash cow. But they are a horrible influence on the other shows. (Minus "The Wire" which avoided the trouble and got a full five seasons as a reward.) HBO is making of quick cancellations lately (even "Rome" is on the choppping block) and The Preacher sounds just like the kind of thing that HBO will fuck up and leave many many pissed off nerds.....And thus, NNNEEEERRRRRDDDDSSSSS!!!!....George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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...how can people who liked Preacher also be people who watched Daredevil and thought, "yeah, this guy will do a good job with my favorite comic."? And I saw the director's cut. Is it better? Yeah, I guess so, some. Is it anywhere close to doing justice to the Miller run on Daredevil it's based on? Does it catch any of the character beats, the faux noir atmosphere of doom and corruption, really any of the things that made that run of the book special? No. Not at all. Blame some on the actors if you want, because sure it was one of the worst cast movies ever made. Blame some on the studio if you want, though by the time you've sat through the DC that doesn't work as well. But let's be serious here, and let's also not forget that "This was a labor of love for MSJ, the comic he always dreamed of adapting" was used as a defense of Daredevil, too. This guy's love hurts. That said, I'll be watching Ghostie with crossed fingers and watching Preacher with the vague hope that there's enough magic in that old hat HBO found to tease out another great show.
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I AM GETTING SMASHED RIGHT NOW!!!! I PROMISE NOT TO COME BACK TO THE TALKBACK UNTIL PROPERLY SAUCED!...And thus, the shot glass is wastin' my time! - - - George, The 7th Chicken!!!!
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Sorry to break it to you. But that fucker was panel for panel out of the comics. The mistakes MSJ made were being too faithful. Hopefully, away from Fox, Johnson can do what he thinks is right with Ghost Rider. They sure got the look right. The Ghost Rider looks great and the action looks excellent.
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And he was a good guy. And the footage they showed was awesome. No matter your feelings about Daredevil, Ghost Rider looks great.
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That one is easy.
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Since the daredevil guys is doing I figured he did once..why not again.... oh and shia labouf for arseface....but only is he is prepared to go full method for it if ya know what I mean
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Since I too am a huge Preacher fanatic, this is who I'd like to see round out the cast. The Undertaker from the WWE as "The Saint Of Killers", Robert Carlyle or Rhys Ifans as "Proinsias Cassidy", John Malkovich as "Herr Starr", Mira Sorvino as "Tulip", and Clive Owen as "Jesse Custer". I know it looks crazy, but that's what the essence of the comics were in the first place "batshit crazy". there it is argue amongst yourselves bitches!!
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Seriously, this is one of the best comics that could be brought to HBO. I'm not a fan of the writer or director, but it could work. Fingers crossed.
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But when I was into comics it was a title I always meant to get into but never fit it into the budget. My friends always said it was a series I should pick up, and I read a few discussions on it in various comic book mags, and it sounded pretty cool. Don't have much to say about director/writer teams in general, so I don't know what to make of these guys. I really want to see a Poison Elves adaptation done in Maxx style animation, or some of Chaos! series like Chastity or Lady Death, but I'm afraid it would turn out looking like Black Scorpion.
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"But that fucker was panel for panel out of the comics."Ummm..bullshit. Oh, are you refering to the collage of wink winks's to the fandom hatcheted up and displayed before us? That makes it faithful? I'm sorry, but i don't remember Matt Murdock the blind lawyer having a sparring match with electra in a playground in broad daylight not a block away from the diner he frequents. I didn't see stick anywhere in sight. I don't remember DD nor Kingpin being in any way involved in Electra's fathers' murder. i don't remember the Kingpin being involved with Matts' fathers' murder either. I mean, what are you talking about? "too faithful"?
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For Cassidy: Robert Carlyle For Tulip: Tricia Helfer For Jesse: Nathan Fillion
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Are you guys kidding me with the DareDevil amd MSJ love?! The film was borderline unwatchable (actually scratch the borderline comment). MSJ is actually on my very short list of directors that should never be allowed to direct anything ever again. DareDevil's script was the worst big budget comic script maybe ever, the direction was even worse (cooky angles, bad lighting to hide even worse wire work and terrible line delivery). I guess that you won't all learn your lesson till Ghostrider next year. At least in DD we could see that Colin Farell got the joke and hammed it up appropriately. Go back and look at Daredevil then come back and coherently tell me what the hell was happening in any of the action sequences. I dare you. God MSJ sucks so hard it's making me dizzy.
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i'm still heartbroken over it.
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I have not seen a single casting idea in this thread that's excited me in the least. Filion? McConaughey? FRANCO??? Get your heads out of your asses, people, and think outside the box -- those are all terrible, terrible choices. Not that it will matter, Johnson will cast Ben Affleck anyway...
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I second the Y The Last Man love. I think that would make an awesome series.
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Actually I think I read somewhere that Y the Last man has been set up (or in the works) to be put directly into a TV series (or miniseries poss) once the storyline ends in the next year or so. Sooo that's cool....I'm sort of curious what the tone of this show will be, since Preacher treads the line of tongue-in-cheek-fun-as-crap and seriousness. There haven't really been too many HBO shows with that tone before. What a wacky lineup they will have with this, the Alan Ball vampire show, the David Milch surfing meth show, and...Entourage? Rome and The Wire are unfortunately on the way out...RIP!!!!
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Think about it...It starts out with the simple premise of revenge in a briefcase, which would be easy for new viewers to get into. But it unfolds into something so much bigger, such as the Minutemen, and the 13 families that have controlled every aspect of organized crime in America; there's sex and intrigue and conspiracy and violence. What could be better?
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Nathan Fillion would work as Jesse, but personally my first choice would be Timothy Olyphant. Lance Henriksen for The Saint Of Killers. Katee Sackoff would work as Tulip, but not much chance of that while BSG is still on the air. Needs someone who can do both ballsy and sexy though. Eliza Dushku maybe? Herr Starr - Clancy Brown, though I think Patrick Stewart or Michael Ironside could pull it off too. Either way it needs someone with a great voice and genuine presence. Cassidy I have no idea about...
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Hugh Jackman for Jesse. no, no wait! think about it - he could do it - don't hit me - wait! no, really, calm down...
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as suggested above, is Shane McGowan of The Pogues. he doesn't need to act.
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someone said Tricia Helfer. that's a good call - she can look sexy, but she also has the serious acting chops, and she can definitely do ballsy.
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there is absolutely no way in a million years a faithful adaptation of Preacher will ever be made for American TV, and since nobody else can afford to do it with good enough production values, we'll *never* see anything that even vaguely resembles the book on the screen. this "news" is a cock tease.
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Gale Harold for Jesse Custer. And Clea Duvall for Tulip. She's can be a badass, and she's cute.
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Whether you liked Carnivale or hated it, you have to admit, it gives you shivers to see HBO diving into something like this with the very real possibility that they'll cut the nuts off the thing half way through because the viewership just didn't jive with the numbers Sopranos was getting. THAT'S WHAT FRIGHTENS ME. That, and the same thing happening if they ever pick up King's DARK TOWER series. Again, don't care if you liked or hated Carnivale, but, geesh, you just gotta hate a network that--at the very least--doesn't let the makers give the viewers a satisfying ending. --G
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please...please....done wrong it'll end up like the Hellblazer blasphemy that is Constantine. If it works, HBO should do 100 Bullets next.
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I would be set if they used a cast of unknowns to play Jesse, Tulip and Cassidy. The best roles are the supporting cast. I would guest one of the WWE's wrestlers to play the Saint of Killers, Patrick Stewart to play Starr(Even though he went on record to play Spider Jerusalem in Transmetropoltan), Hulk Hogan to play Jodie, and Robert Patrick to play Jesse's dad. The man just oozes cool.
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so it's actually gonna happen? fucking excellent.
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Anyway, Clancy Brown for Herr Starr. Who ever suggested Katee Sackoff for Tulip is a fucking genius. But she probably couldn't do two continuing series at once??? "Say the name"
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wait and see.
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Yes, all the one shots and the Saint miniseries are collected in the TPBs. They are not collected in a single edition, but spread out through several of them. Check out the Preacher entry in Wikipedia for specifics.
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That would be a sweet HBO series
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I like the Nathan Fillion suggestion, but how about Ben Hawkins himself Nick Stahl? Also i wouldn't worry too much about the writer and directer of the pilot. Those people might not be that involved in the show once it gets going. Preacher's really cool and I'd be surprised ifthey couldn't find with genre tv experience to run the show. maybe someone like Dan Knauf from Carnivale.
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She's hardcore and deserves work for playing Miranda Zero so well. Fillion for Jesse because I want to see him say "Go Fuck Yourself" with the Word. I love Danny Trejo as the Saint of Killers but that would probably involve changing his backstory a bit (I don't care if we get to see The Saint destroying Satan like a little bitch), Whoever gets the dubious pleasure of playing TC will have to add 'fucking slit open fish' to his daily conversations, and Jesus de Sade NEEDS to be Alan Cumming. Everyone else I'm at a loss for except for the fact that someone will get to wear this: http://tinyurl.com/ymznjl
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Please? Unless it is animated a la a Miazaki (sp?) movie...spend 5-10 years animating Sandman and it will kick ass. Otherwise we will just get Hollywood shitting out Johnny Depp as Morpheus or something. imo
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dude was nothing more than an overpowered emo kid. Death and the other Endless carried that comic.
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Refer particularly to the episode involving the 'Emperor' of San Francisco....the primacy of the power of dreams is illustrated about as well as it can be in that tale....Sandman DOES have one of the best supporting casts in the history of the medium, but to slight Morpheus doesn't make any sense to me and smacks of trolling...the ENTIRE purpose of Sandman is a vindication of the power of Dreams, and their place as one of the driving forces of the HISTORY OF MANKIND...I don't really see how he is upstaged in any way by his (admitedly) colorful SUPPORTING cast. imo.
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Preacher has always been ripe for a TV series I just don't think the way America is at the moment bodes well for us actually seeing this. Can you imagine what the nutjobs are going to make of this. A guy goes after God to kick his ass for abandoning his flock. They'll be up roar, bomb threats to HBO, protests. I think they'll pull the plug before it ever see's the light of day.
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(no, he wasn't, but) what you said.
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Also just had a thought, It won't happen but thought I'd share it see what you think. Cassidy played by Paddy Considine. The guy plays unhinged like no one else. He has a menace that's not obvious but you some thing might not be right with hime.
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how about mcnulty from the wire as jesse, i think he could pull it off.
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nevermind
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you guys are still talking about J.C. after how many hours? come on, give it a rest and just see what happens. you are sure to make almost no impact at all no matter how much internet whinging you do, and the HBO team are going to do what they feel. They've usually been pretty good, - although carnivale was the worst piece of shit ever made - and I can't believe that they could fuck up preacher that bad. I'm looking forward to it. Custer will reign, somehow. The very character is too strong to be held back by a mediocre actor.
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I think Cassidy wasn't even 20 when "it happened" with him. So the actor should be pretty young. Some British/Irish actor who can act without eyes visible. Arseface - somehow this thin guy from "Road Trip" reminds me of him, but then there must be someone else playing him in flashbacks.
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James Nesbitt and Aidan Gillen are both Irish. The guy who does McNulty is a Brit. Don't any of you watch BBC America or Foriegn film? Colm Meaney is another Irishman.
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Do actors now have to come from the placethe character they are portraying comes from? I missed that.
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You guys did see who is writing it right? Mark Steven Johnson. The same MSJ who did Daredevil and the future train wreck of a film Ghost Rider. It's gonna be fucking awful. The guy cant write direct or cast, thats a hat trick of awfulness. He's going to ruin something that could otherwise be an incredible television experience on HBO. WHy do they always pawn of lesser known comic properties to these fucking idiots? Just because hes directed a comic book flm before doesn't mean hes good at it. God executives are dumb bastards.
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Sticking with a Euro theme, here are some not mentioned. Marc Warren http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0912938/ James McAvoy http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0564215/ David Threlfall http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0861915/ Dean Lennox Kelly http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0446319/ Gerard Kearns http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1542551/ Dylan Moran http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0602836/ Mark Heap http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0372423/ Julian Rhind-Tutt http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0722279/ Karl Theobald http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1717331/ Stephen Mangan http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0542118/ Chris O'Dowd http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1483369/ Noel Fielding http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0276161/ Julian Barratt http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1027986/ Matthew Holness http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1478358/ Richard Ayoade http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1547964/
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It would be nice to hear a REAL accent than a studio one. My overall point is just how US-CENTRIC many choices here are. It is a big world after all with many fine talented people. Most of them outside the US. I wouldn't trade a single Ray Winstone for ten Clooneys, or Andy Lau for damn near any twenty hollywood "stars" of today. Talent and fame are two different things watch Lilly Taylor work sometime. Too much talent too little fame.
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I totally agree with it being better to here a native accent rather than an impression of one. but there have been some good fake accents(I think) Sean connery in Hunt for Red October anyone? I don't think HBO will continue with the team they have doing the pilot either, that's if it gets commissioned. which I doubt. I think there will be quite a few directors out there who will want a shot at an episode so it could turn in to some thing really good. But there are a lot of big Ifs.
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Carnivale was bad enough, but after cancelling Deadwood, Ill never invest in another HBO show.
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should be the property for HBO to consider.
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I completely agree. The world needs a zombie series. Now!
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much as we'd love to see it, we are in a tiny minority. ok, so our minority isn't so tiny that it doesn't have some serious ratings/spending power, but if it's us against the mouth-breathing "Jesus hates fags" masses and their corporate sponsors in the White House, we're dead.<p>nobody, not even HBO, is going to put Preacher on TV.<p>sadly, there's too much bigotry, ignorance and insanity in the world (and, at the risk of sounding a bit bigotted myself, especially so in the good ol' US and A), and not enough intelligence, tolerance and sense of humour.
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Marc Warren isn't a bad call for Cassidy, I can see it. He's got the likable sidekick type thing down pat, and he was quite the bastard in an episode of Vincent last season too.
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JC - Will Smith<p> Cassidy - Luke Wilson<p> Tulip - Jessica Simpson<p> Saint of Killers - Tommy Lee Jones<p> Herr Starr - John Cleese<p> Jesus de Sade - Stephen Fry<p> You-Know-Who - Tom Bombadil<p>
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Marc Warren isn't a bad call for Cassidy, I can see it. He's got the likable sidekick type thing down pat, and he was quite the psycho bastard in an episode of Vincent last season too.
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...and whip it good. --G
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Don't you hate it when that happens? No? Well, don't you hate it when the person who double posts complains or apologises about it? Yeah, me too. Feckin' idiots.
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Tim Roth as Cassidy Craig T. Nelson as The Saint of Killers George W. Bush as Arseface
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that's me masturbating to the premise of this finally seeing live action. At least HBO will do it some justice, as they have no fucking christians/families/parental advisory boards to worry about pleasing in the theatres across the nation.
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Less superheroes and more intelligent programming for adults.
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Besides the Preacher with powers bit, the whole storyline in Carnivale with the evil grandmother and the inbred cousins is straight out of Preacher. I'd also make an argument for the character of Cassidy being a HUGE influence on Spike in Buffy. If the characters weren't so similar, I'd say James Marsters for Cassidy - same reason why Fillion would never do Custer. I LOVE the Paddy Considine idea for Cassidy(but to clarify, he's British but plays a good Irish) - but he also think he might be too old, as is Roth. I do like the James McAvoy idea, if he can get a little gritty. But yeah, Preacher is the perfect comic to adapt to an HBO series. I really hope they get Cassidy right, though. In my opinion he is the heart and soul of the series - he's the most complex character, he's the one that actually gets redemption, whereas it seems like Jessie is pretty one-dimensional (tough guy on a mission to prove himself and his masculinity to his absent father - either dad, John Wayne, or God) and never really grows or learns anything. He just drives the plot and the themes. Good luck with this one. I can't wait to see how it turns out.
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it's pretty damn far from a superhero comic. Sure, the lead has 'powers' and his sidekick's a vampire, but it's nothing like a superhero book. And you can't get more 'adult' than some of the shit that goes down in this book. Oh yeah, and I really hope they do the Easter Rising flashbacks with Cassidy. Can you tell I like that character?
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I kinda giggled when I saw Patrick Stewart's name been thrown around for Starr! He'd be perfect!!! A deadpan sense of humour... some serious acting chops.... BRING IT ON HBO!!!
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or not.
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For a completely different project!!
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I always thought Preacher was doing the ripping off...those characters ARE way too similar. Must have been close who was first.
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...HBO may cancel it before the story's all told. They have history that leads me to believe both are likely outcomes. Preacher is my third-favorite comic book story of all time...after Season of Mists and Watchmen, just ahead of the Killing Joke and Miller's born again run on Daredevil. Speaking of which, you guys need to get of MSJ's dick about Daredevil. The studio fucked him on the theatrical release and the only thing he's guilty of in the Director's Cut is trying to fit too much into one film when he should've been planning for three. In terms of character and major beats, his was one of the most faithful comic-to-film adapations we ever got.
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He could direct it too. "Screw that, Mellon Farmer!"
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They should cast Simon Pegg as wee Hughie!
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...if you're talking about Buffy's Spike, Cassidy made his debut in Preacher #1, 1995. Spike showed up in season two of Buffy, 1997. Whedon is a great writer of dialogue and character, but he hasn't had all that many original ideas.
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...would be to kill a Dark Tower series a little more than halfway through. Those last three books were rot. King forgot the face of hiks father. Big time.
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Don't forget Angel season 5's Agent Smith/Hamilton. I also think Xander losing an eye is definitely Preacher-esque. Still love the Whedon though.
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"Can't stop the A-Train!!!"<P>Hahahahahaha!
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...you guys need to read that Miller run on Daredevil again. Or is there a Reader's Digest abridged of depth, motivation and tone trade paper version I've missed? You know, the one that was faithfully adapted into the movie. Anyway, still hoping for the best, but let's not start rewriting what's already done.
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just for the record. I said 'influences' - art and media are not created in a vacuum. Some things influence others, ideas show up in different places. We already had this discussion about Gaiman's Books of Magic and Harry Potter. Great minds do think alike. Spike and Cassidy are both great characters in their own right.
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If there's one comic book property out there that I would hope to be done right or not done at all it's Preacher. Unfortunately the 'creatives' they have attached to this aren't particularly great at what they do and they truly don't suit Preacher's style as filmmakers at all either. HBO should just keep the property until they find someone who would suit the material.
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as Jesse Custer. He looks the part, he can be tough, and his show just got canceled recently so he'd probably be available.
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But is there really a character called arseface?? If there is then colour me intrigued, the writer obviously has a twisted sense of humour, lovely!
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This is going to be awesome, even if its not as great as the other HBO shows it still going to be really interesting to see how this is going to transalate to screen.
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There is only one man who can play Jesse Custer and that's Capt. Mal Nathan Fillion!
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The last three books of the series certainly didn't live up to the first. Those first four books were truly amazing. A bizarre combo of The Lord of the Rings and The Good, The Bad and the Ugly. However, if given the choice between the the story not being finished at all due to King growing older and possibly dying before he finished it or reading the story as he did finish it I'll take the finished books. King has said that he didn't want to leave an Dicken's Drood situtation, and he didn't want his family finishing the books. The final three are--by far--not up to the first four books, but they have their moments, and...I know people balk at this....the ending has actually grown on me. --G
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I want Jason Patric for this. And maybe a blonde Collin Ferrel.Put him on the Bale-diet and he'll slim right down. OOH! or make it Robert Carlyle! He would be able to do his own Irish accent for once, instead of a half-assed american one. As for Tulip, cast an unknown. You want Tulip to be a mystery for a long part of the story. How did she get so skilled with a gun...? etc... I can't wait to see Arseface and the whole killer-relatives storyline. count me in on this one! There is a caveat on this statement however: DO NOT let those hack writers who made Daredevil into some spandex-y bullshit catch ahold of this property. Ghost Rider looks like a p.o.s and I won't be seeing it in the theatres. I know Cage wanted to do it for years, but the whole thing just looks like SPAWN, circa 2006 to me. And we all know what a crpa-fest that was. Coolest part of Spawn movie was the cape. I loved PREACHER and have every issue from the beginining. I just don't want it to take a dive to make it more 'palatable' to the white people out there. ~Peace out, --G
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Yeah man! I agree w/ him. He can do righteous indignation fairly well. Plus, he's got HBO-name recognition from SFU. And, he's pretty.
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I’m a little worried that one of the best comics I have ever read is being brought to the screen by the people responsible for some of the worst movies I have ever seen.
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Thanks Childe Roland, why am I always too lazy to look that stuff up? ;^) And DirkD13, just go by "Gone to Texas" and you will happily read through the whole series I am sure. In the long run (even evidenced a bit in this talkback), I don't think HBO will go forward, because people will get confused due to CARNIVALE. Dumb bastards ya'll are!
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Can't wait to see the comic adaptations by King...Tales of the Gunslingers!!! Oh, and "The Chap" and Flagg's (ahem) 'outcome' were two of the worst decisions King ever made in his whole career.
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Totally agreee, Carmilla! Here you get this build up in King's books, particularly in THE STAND, that Flagg is one badass mother....I ALWAYS knew that was Flagg's wallet that gets pulled out of the trash bag in PULP FICTION...but King just cuts his balls off by the way he deals with him in the last book. So, so, so sad... --G
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...meeting and losing Elektra wasn't as deep, nuanced, complex and drawn out as the same story when it appeared over a span of months in multiple issues of a serialized comic book? Color me shocked. If you read what I wrote, however, you'll see why my opinion stands firm. The movie (Director's Cut) understood the characters as Miller had written them. It captured their interrelationships and established all the appropriate conflicts. The only thing the movie did wrong was in trying to do too much at once. It should've been three movies: 1 - Daredevil meets Elektra. Bullseye kills Elektra. Daredevil kills (or thinks he kills) Bullseye. 2 - Enraged Daredevil works his way up the criminal chain to the Kingpin (guy who hired Bullseye), neglecting his responsibilities as a lawyer and a friend, only to get his ass handed to him in a fight against the big guy. 3 - Having been left for dead at the end of 2, Daredevil escapes and rebuilds his life with the help of a nun named Maggie. Kingpin sends Nuke to kill him. Daredevil beats Nuke and, as a lawyer, connects the dots to bring the Kingpin down legally. I know that actually combines elements from two different runs on the book, but they were the character's most defining moments and would've flowed together nicely in an adaptation. That being the key word. You were never going to get a Sin CIty-style Daredevil movie that used the comics themselves as a storyboard. And that's really for the best, as Sin City's appeal is primarily as experimental art and not so much as a good movie.
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In an interview posted on SciFi.com, Johnson said that he wanted to adapt as closely as possible. That every issue would be a 1 hour episode and that he would change as little as possible. And HBO seemed ok with this. Even Garth Ennis was surprised. So this might be good. And Sisto as Custer would be excellent casting. I can't believe I didn't think of it!
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