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Echobase Watches ROCKY BALBOA Beat The Meatloaf!!

Merrick here...
Echobase went to a ROCKY BALBOA screening in London and sent in this look at the film. I was disappointed to hear that his screening was so sparsely attended; I want this film to do well. I’m a ROCKY fan. But I’m more a fan of the character than the films themselves. He’s a normal, imperfect person whose luck is often hard & whose challenges are great. He’s a hero because his reality is not always heroic. He’s someone who is very simple, even when confronted by complexity. He’s driven by some of the same hopes and misgivings that any of us might face on a regular basis. There’s a truth to Rocky…we don’t see that in too many broad stroked characters these days. It’s nice to have him back…but I’ll miss him a lot. Also, I should probably mention that this is the first time I’ve heard the phrase “beating the meatloaf”. I hope this becomes a widely accepted euphemism for practices other than…training. It’s really funny. Here’s Echobase...
I've been a long time reader but I'm a first time writer. I had the chance tonight to see ROCKY BALBOA, otherwise known as Rocky 6. It was a small screening in London at the FOX theatre in Soho. The theatre itself is very small and half of the seats were empty.. in other words not many people seemed too interested. Who could blame them.. I mean, let's face it, the trailer after all is not that good. Who on earth would want to see a 60 years old Stallone playing a boxer?!?! Anyway, let's not answer that question. I can safely say that the few people inside seemed to be pretty hard core fans as I gathered from the cheers at the first few notes of Bill Conti's memorable theme. Now, let's talk about the film itself. I'll try to stay away from BIG SPOILERS and just hint at a few things which I don't think will ruin your enjoyment. Is it better than Rocky ? Absolutely not!! Is it better than Rocky V? Well... DEFINETELY!!! Is it a good movie? Well... let's put it this way, it could have been so much worse! It's by no mean a masterpiece, but it's very watchable and after all, if you go and see this movie it is because you like Rocky, and in that case you won't be disappointed. All the good intentions are there. All the elements that made the first film (and to a certain degree the second one too) a good movie are in place. The slow pace, the simple and understated dialogue which in its own way seems quite real, the classic music, even the photography which more often than not seems to remind us of the 70s and early 80s. Even the goddam clothes seem to be the same!!! I mean, does that guy ever bought some new sweat pants? Rocky runing up the stairs (and the freeze frame at the top), beating the meatloaf, the slowmotion during the matches, the breasted girls showing the numbers of the rounds, the not so-cute girl who flirts with Rocky, the "black guy" to fight, the dog, whose Rocky befriend... Basically it could seem like a re-vamp version of thefirst movie the way "Superman returns" seems like a remake of "Superman-The Movie". The real question is: why? Why now? Why making another Rocky? Haven't we seen enough of him? Who needed a Rocky VI, a part from Stallone, who before this had really come off our radars and needed a comeback quite badly? The film is written and directed by Stallone himself and something has to be said: he put his heart and soul in it. Every scene is almost an homage to a previous moment in a previous movie. The intent I guess (aside from making a few bucks and try to get Stallone back on the big screen)is to allow us to say a last goodbye without that sour taste that the previous film had left in our mouth. The excuse for the film is quite ludicrous:I won't go into it so much, because I don't really want to give away too much. The less you know about this film the better, since there's so little story in it. Even the trailer (though quite misleading at least in the general tone of the film, gives away quite a bit) Rocky is old. His face looks like a wreck and his mumbling speech are at their worse. Adrian is dead and he now lives a solitary and quite frankly sad life. He has pretty much nothing left a part from his memories, an Italian resturant he owes and a distant son. The film might as well be called "Stallone", since it's about a "once upon a time" star now half forgotten and with no much use... That's why I'm saying that Stallone put his heart and soul in the film. Despite the silliness of it all, you can tell that all his intentions are sincere and that he made this film mainly to give a respectful ending to his main creation. A final goodbye, before we can say "the end" for the Rocky Balboa. And yes, it is all ludicrous, it is all very pointless, it is all a bit of a dejavu'...but hey by the end of it I was there, supporting my hero and cheering at the screen like I used to do when I was a kid and went to see the earlier movies. So, as long as this is really the end, I will forgive him this indulgency of a movie. At least it was respectful of the past it didn't ruin all my good memories for the previous parts. Call me Echobase

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  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    OLD!

    by Ricky Henderson

    hes too old!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    For fucks sake this

    by themanlikedave

    film will be shit. Full stop.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST

    meh

    by moviequotewhore

    I don't buy the premise of Rocky fighting someone 20 + years younger because a video simulation said he would win. A more believable movie would be about an exhibition match between Rocky and ,say, George Foreman. My two cents

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Well if the xbox says he can do it...

    by fractureJonze

    ...then he can do it! I don't know, seems like a bit of a stretch. I'll see it nonetheless.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Trailer was Excellent

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I am not quite sure what this reviewer was looking for in a Rocky movie. Did he want a nuanced plot a la Syriana? Did he want Stallone to be 30 again? I am not sure...! I will tell you that the trailer was very good at stirring up the emotions of those that love Rocky. I also think that if George Foreman can mount a sucessful comeback at his late 40s then I can buy Rocky doing so in the movie universe in his 50s. Also, the reviewer is right in thinking that Rocky's situation is reminescent of something... it is the lot of the majority of boxers who end up opening doors for patrons in a Las Vegas casino after the lights have dimmed (Joe Lewis)

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Old, but not forgotten

    by Turd Furgusen

    I can only wish at that age that I look as ripped as Stallone. I agree that pitting a fighter his age against someone 20 years younger is ridiculous, but come on. You have to suspend your disbelief in all the Rocky movies. Rocky has always been the fighter that is more than human. I totally agree that this movie is an homage and a farewell to the character, but what is wrong with that? The majority of these movies provided a lot of fun, enjoyment, and dare I say, inspiration to a lot of people. I think Stallone has a right to toot his own horn, or beat his own meatloaf before he lets this character go.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    CANNOT WAIT!

    by dancinggopher01

    I love every single one of the Rocky movies...well the fifth one not so much, but all the other ones were great. From this review, I gather that I will love this one too.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Rocky versus a younger opponent

    by peytonallen

    When Foreman beat Moorer for the title he had to be at least twenty years his age. When Holmes fought Tyson the age difference was near that. When Ali was in his prime there was a computer simulation a tournament of the great heavyweights to that point. The Final was Ali vs Rocky M. Both fighers got together to 'film' some scenes and alternate endings. It was shown in theaters all over the world. I buy Stallone's simulation plot. Adrian's dead he wants to fight again. I buy that. The only thing from the trailer that seems contrived is the current champion needing to fight Rocky to win credibility. A) That was done in Rocky V. B) That line of thinking is a joke. If the reasoning is a pay day. Ala Mayweather Jr. wanting to fight De La Hoya because Oscar brings in the money that he can't, then I'll go with it. The current champion, suffering low buyrates, looking to piggyback on Rocky's comeback for a shot at more money. On Rocky's end, it's a payday and could give his son something more? Personally I would prefer Adrian to be slowly dying and Rocky to fight to try and deaden the reality of dealing with that. He could have really made this a love story to Adrian. Furthermore why would Adrian say no to coming back? What, she couldn't use the low 7 figure pay check? I may see this. A lot will depend on reviews.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    "it is all ludicrous, it is all very pointless,"

    by C Legion

    Yet you were cheering at the screen? How many other films have stirred that kind of reaction from you? Sounds like you're embarrassed to say how much you really like it, so you thought you'd chuck in a few insults to shield yourself from the ridicule of the ignorant.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Beat The Meatloaf!!!!!!!!!!

    by J-Dizzle

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, quality stuff!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    He owns a restaurant?

    by rev_skarekroe

    So it's essentially the old "Weird" Al Rocky song made into a film?

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    I think Vergard makes some good points...

    by Capt. Spaulding

    BUT, while I agree with your assessment of "War of the Worlds" I gotta say I thought "Munich" was really good. As far as "Rocky VI" goes, well...Oh, fine, I'll just admit my un-American-ness here and say I didn't even like the first one. I spent the whole movie going "THIS beat Taxi Driver for Best Picture?"

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The title should have been ROCKY RETURNS...

    by Bob Cryptonight

    ...and his opponent should have been played by Kevin Spacey.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    I don't care what anyone says...

    by abominate

    ...I'm goin' to the midnight show and I know I'll love it. Then I'll take my daughter to another show (matinee). It's Rocky, 'nuff said.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Hey moviequotewhore...

    by abominate

    I haven't seen it, but I'm guessing Rocky fights Dixon not because he thinks he can win, but because the computer fight rekindles his old passion. According to the trailer, he starts with local fights and then is approached by Dixon's promo people (in other words, Rocky doesn't go looking for this fight--THEY do). And I think, like the first Rocky, his intent is simply to stand toe-to-toe and give his best. Not necessarily to win it. He's already proven that he's not "just another bum from the streets," now I think he's out to prove that, even at 60, people--any person, really--can assert themselves and make a contribution. Boxing just happens to be one of the most physical ways of "asserting oneself." In fact, if he loses I won't be surprsied at all, because I don't expect him to win. I must say though that Dixon, real-life fighter or not, does not look half as physically intimidating as any of Rocky's prior big-time opponents

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Opening night

    by Darth Thoth

    I'm there.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Please let drago make an appearence

    by Triplesic

    I hope that they do what they did in Rocky V, have rocky take mental punches from drago throughout the film.He was such a bad ass. I can't see how anybody would think that this movie doesn't make any sense. It's very common that boxers try to make comebacks, I think this movie is an obviouse choice. Now if they make a part 7 that's when they lose my respect, which they kind of already did with the shity script in part IV. The only good thing that came from that was drago, and I didn't think he was all that great until I saw him still throwing punches in part 5.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    This will be the greatest comeback movie of our time

    by Doc_Strange

    You know it to be true.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Damn you MCMLXXVI

    by ATARI

    YES!!!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Damn you Rocky Balboa!

    by Pipple

    Let's start building some hurtin bombs! Heavy duty punches that'll rattle his ancestors!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    people don't write like that anymore

    by Pipple

    yeah

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Is it better than Rocky V? Well... DEFINETELY!!!

    by Lou C.

    Have we come to the point that we should just change the spelling of "definitely"? i thought we might as well go ahead and make it "definately," but this new spelling makes me think we should just be open-minded and offer six or seven different ones that can all be considered correct.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Where's ABKing?

    by MattCG

    It's not a Stallone talkback until that crazy fuck makes an appearance. As for this movie, could be alright. Trailer looks ok. Like a good throwback.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    the trailer was amazing

    by slappy jones

    and if its definitely better than rocky V then it must be fucking awesome

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    wait-a-minute...

    by Darth Valinorean

    1) In my humble opinion, the trailer was good. Let's leave most of 'reality' at the gates here - this is a 60 year old guy fighting a champ, but this is also the ONLY 60 year old guy that can do this 2) The movie is for the fans and as the reviewer says correctly - it is a chance to say goodbye with respect,passion and a chance to pay homage to the underdog in all of us and to the underdog we root for

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    yackbacker

    by Darth Valinorean

    .... I think you might have been sitting near me for CR - something very similar happened with the couple behind me as well. People love Balboa. People ALWAYS root for the underdog. And there are few greater underdogs. There are enough people who want to see this movie and will go to it - whether it is profitable etc I have no clue, but I maintain that there is a market for this movie - people who like Balboa!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    ABKing... where ya at?

    by zombieslayer

    This talkback is incomplete. On topic, I actually had fun watching the Rocky marathon last weekend, got me sorta pumped to go see this, and I've never been a Rocky fan...

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Slow doesn't mean BAD... actually quite the opposite

    by echobase

    Just to answer to Vergard, I never meant to say that the film is slow like the used to make them in the 70s thus is BAD.. actually quite the opposite! I thought some of the strongest bits of the film were actually the scenes where very little happened

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST

    TOO LATE!!!!

    by zacdilone

    That's right, I said it.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Rocky, Grease and Star Wars

    by CaptDanielRoe

    Are the three films that conspired to really screw up my head regarding what life should be about, as a young kid. Honorable mention to Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings and Dino De Laurentiis' King Kong.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Sir, do we get to win this time?

    by briantag

    "Nothing is over, nothing! You just don't turn it off!"...says Rambo. And it's true, especially when you can sqqquuueeeeze another $10.50 out of nostalgic moviegoers.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    the fight scenes and Sylvester Stallone..

    by nolan bautista

    ..will be done by ILM (Slys expressions will be animated by Weta)

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Burt Young..

    by nolan bautista

    ..will move thru the miracle of Ray Harryhausens Dynorama

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Actually for being 60....

    by echobase

    ...Stallone is in incredible shape!!! Surely hedidn't needany ILM or WETA miracles

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    DONT TELL ME......

    by BRUTICUS

    Rocky dies in the ring doesn't he....he dies fighting.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I declare

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    "No Easy Way Out" best in-movie music video ever!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    How I ended up seeing Rocky V...

    by workshed

    ...It was the first time i had ever been to a multiplex and every single screen was SOLD OUT except for - you guessed it - Rocky V. I have to admit it was baaaad BUT it was topped a couple of years later when the same thing happened again. That movie was 'Death Becomes Her' - the ONLY time i have left the cinema and asked the manager for my money back. Which he dutifully did. BRING ON 'RAMBO IV' (and the return of Richard Crenna's Cryogenically Frozen Balls)..!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST

    There is a Rocky action figure line out now...

    by Bubba Gillman

    ...and one of the figures is actually "The Meat." That's right - the side of beef that Rocky punched in the original movie is now an action figure. Couldn't they have thrown us a bone (pun intended) and included "The Meat" with the Rocky figure? The current line also includes Mickey, wearing what appears to be a pink cardigan, Apollo, Adrian, Paulie and Spider Rico (!). Here's hoping the next generation includes Baby Crenshaw, Thunderlips, Clubber Lang, Paulie's Robot and the hooker that Paulie took to Rocky vs. Apollo 1. Yes, I am a Rocky geek and will be there opening night.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Vergard,

    by CTU Mole

    Did you ever think that you would sound so damned old? You better look outside, there's someone on your lawn.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST

    That`s no review!

    by Tripman5000

    It`s just a run down of the plot-nothing new to read!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Does anybody know???

    by Manos

    I watched Rocky V the other day and could not help but notice in the freeze frame close that Apollo Creed is given very little screen time. This man had a profound effect on Rocky and, except for maybe two shots, was practically missing from the 'flashback' of Rocky's life. Was there or is there some kind of bad blood between Stallone and Carl Weathers (sp)?

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST

    The must see EVENT of the Holiday season is...

    by ABking

    With no LOTR or Harry Potter out this year, CASINO ROYALE and ROCKY BALBOA have turned into the must see EVENT FILMS of the holidays...Bond opened to over 40 million. Can't wait to see what ROCKY does...

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Rocky will own you!

    by Ender's Jeesh

    As I've bored you all with, I worked on the film during the Philly shoot (Paulie's stand-in, and no... I'm NOT ugly). Anyway, I knew in Jan./ Feb. this movie was going to own. The script, when read, looks like it was written by a brain-damaged lemur. But when you stand 5-feet away from Sly and Burt Yound saying it... it's fucking poetry, it's fucking Shakepseare, know what I mean? BTW, if you squint during the 2 far way establisging shots of the cemetary and the pet shop, that's ME in Paulie's costumes! But bring a telescope...

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    DAMN RIGHT VERGARD!!!

    by SK909

    Do you remember when movies would give you the first ten minutes to be 'with' the character, just showing you the main character in their daily life? This is how you grow to empathize with that person. How about how movies used to be shot with a nod toward composition and movement and motion continuum? I showed a friend of mine who normally doesn't watch older movies the car chase from The French Connection on DVD on my 52" screen, progressive scan. His jaw was on the floor. Damn right we sound old, because they just don't make 'em like they used to and that's the truth. Even young people today can watch The Godfather or The Exorcist or Jaws or Cuckoo's Nest and see the HUGE difference between the quality of the storytelling and characterization from then to now. A lot of it is due to hack fucking screenwriters and directors and the past 25 years of screenwriting books and bullshit, acting like 'ITS ALL ON THE PAGE', but are you telling me that a movie like Raging Bull was all on the page? So Scorsese wrote, "throws punch right, throws punch left, time slows down, etc"? Even Deniro didn't know what was going on. Ever read Scorsese: A Personal Journey? On the set: Deniro: "what happens here?" Scorsese: " You get hit." Deniro: What happens in this shot?" Scorsese: " you get hit again." And yet, when you put it all together, it's fucking cinematic poetry. I GUARANTEE that wasn't in Schraeder's script. How could it be? The 'Did you fuck my wife?' scene is like a 15 minute, real-time section of the film that was developed mostly between Scrosese and Deniro in St. Martin during their rewrite and then on the set between Pesce and Denrio. THERE REALLY WAS NO SCRIPT. Same thing with 80% of The French Connection, and even Friedkin says so. Those movies are about a very good basic concept and then a bunch of super talented actors and people all getting together for the common good of making something great and putting it on film. NOW? Everyone on the set is a total prick thinking they're the reason the movie is going to be good and everyone else will be the reason it sucks. Just watch Project Greenlight. I'm an indie filmmaker and people like that a-hole cinematographer on the first season is the reason most movies suck. Part of the reason is we live in a know-it-all egotistical age and the bar of entry into moviemaking is so low and the rewards seem so high that you just get tons of people who just want to be rock stars and have nothing to say. Before digital video (which I think is great anyway), you had to REALLY want to make a film. And then when you screwed up the first one, you had to still have enough of it in your blood to want to do it again. Anyway, getting back to the attitude of the people involved and on the set fucking up the possibility of making a good film - Just watch the Taxi Driver or Raging Bull DVD special features and you'll see a bunch of really humble, decent human beings who are artist's and don't subscribe to all the traditional bullshit (like only professional actor's should be in movies, tell that to half the people in Scorsese's early movies) and they all came together for the common good of doing a great film. Nobody is trying to edge their ego out above everyone else's. And again, with the scripts of those 70's films, it is total bullshit that if it ain't on the page then it ain't on the stage when it comes to film. I agree that you do need a basic skeleton that is very strong and includes some basic 'good' elements, but I guarantee that if you looked at half those 70's film's scripts, they'd read like a piece of incoherent shit and it's the cinematic part of the process that made them great. Rocky takes ALMOST AN HOUR to introduce Apollo Creed. The whole movie is about Rocky's life prior to his big shot at the title. That scene where he screams at Mickey... man... how many of us have felt like that? That nobody gives a damn until they feel there's something in it for them? It's so filled with raw emotion and the movie is overrated for all the wrong reasons and underrated for reasons most people can't even fathom. The scene with Paulie and Adrian - 'you're a freakin' loser!' Like Ender said... on the page, it read like the writing of a brain-damaged lemur, but when he saw the CHARACTER'S speaking the dialogue, it became magical. I just wish we had more of that... and I think that when Stallone says, "actually it's more like the 70's." in the trailer, he's reaching all the way back and saying, 'THAT'S WHEN GOOD MOVIES WERE MADE,' Rocky included!

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Rye or the Kaiser

    by symphy

    Fat and weak, what a disgrace.<br> Guess the champ got too lazy.<br> Ain't gonna fly now, he's just takin' up space.<br> Sold his gloves, threw his eggs down the drain.<br> <br> But he’s no bum, he works down the street<br> He bought the neighborhood deli.<br> Back on his feet, now he's choppin' up meat.<br> Come inside, maybe you'll hear him say,<br> <br> Try the rye or the kaiser,<br> They're our special tonight.<br> If you want, you can have an appetizer<br> You might like our salami and the liver’s alright<br> And they'd really go well with the rye or the kaiser<br> <br> Never eats while on the job,<br> He heard it’s good to stay hungry<br> But he makes a pretty mean shish kebab<br> Have a taste, they were made fresh today<br> <br> Try the rye or the kaiser<br> Or the wheat or the white<br> Maybe I can suggest an appetizer<br> Stay away from the tuna, it smells funny tonight<br> But you just can’t go wrong with the rye or the kaiser<br> <br> So today, his deli comes first<br> Still he dreams of his past days of glory<br> Goes in the back and beats up on the liverwurst<br> All the while you can still hear him say,<br> <br> It’s the rye or the kaiser<br> It’s the thrill of one bite<br> Let me please be your catering advisor.<br> If you want substitutions,<br> I won't put up a fight.<br> You can have your roast beef on the rye or the kaiser.

  • Nov. 22, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Rocky Pwns The Fuckin Noobs Dude. That's All I Want

    by The Ender

    All I need is Rocky Pwning some noobs and I'm a happy little bastard.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Yeah, I know I'm silly, but I actually like Rocky V.

    by DarthCorleone

    It's something of a guilty pleasure. While Rocky IV might be an effective music video and montage of its predecessors, it's just a rehash. At least Rocky V does something different with the characterization, making Rocky a mentor instead of just giving him the same role.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 3:08 a.m. CST

    "an Italian resturant he owes" did you mean owns?

    by Orionsangels

    Anyway, at least the Rocky set will be an even number now.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 3:11 a.m. CST

    This movie might work for some...

    by Orionsangels

    Because it's the same ol' story. The underdog. Except now at 60. Rocky is the old pathetic underdog. So the fact that this old fart thinks he still has something to prove and manages to beat the young modern slick boxer. May move some people, even bring them to tears.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Yes I did mean "owns"...

    by echobase

    Ops... Sorry, that's what happens when you type things late at night!

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 3:51 a.m. CST

    You're a Tough Crowd...

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Sylvester Stallone may not be Lawrence Olivier or Alex Guiness...he may not be a tecnically gifted actor...but he has given two movie characters that will never NEVER be forgotten..and not because they were bad...they were defined, well crafted and superbly brought to screen by Stallone...Rambo and Rocky...no-one could have played those roles like he did...could you imagine Peter O Toole or Ian McKellen, Al Pacino or Robert De Niro, hec Bruce, Arny, Brad or anyone else play those roles better than him? Answer: NO! Stallone did well, its why he was the no.1 star of the eighties...Rocky or Rambo were not meant to be from the elite of society, they were meant to be characters who were flawed, ugly, and difficult...and Rambo and Rocky were two different characters, played well by Stallone...as for now, De Niro has made shit flop movies for the last 5 years...Pacino has made shit...Arny has given up and the other 80's stars have all dissappeared...Stallone still starred in Cliffhanger which was decent...Daylight did the job...Copland raised eyebrows and even Detox wasn't bad for what is was...FOR WHAT IT WAS...no actor produces all time hits every bloody year - with the hits come the duds....give the man a break...oh and he is far from washed up - he's a MILLIONAIRE people...he doesn't need the money...he has an Oscar...he doesn't respect...he just wants to do what gives him joy....if there can be 10 bloody Star Trek Movies...there can be more than one Rocky flick...good or bad, its a film that will never be forgotten...a character never forgotten...and Stallone - he's alright in my books.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST

    "You're a greasy Eye-talian tank! Go run over him!"

    by Mr Sparks

    Stallone may be a washed up bum but I'm stoked about this film. Will we see the ghost of Mickey again?

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST

    Also...

    by Mr Sparks

    It's sad to see Meatloaf reduced to taking roles like this. I thought he was jolly good in fight Club.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 6:32 a.m. CST

    I Liked Rocky V Too

    by BoyNamedSue

    I thought the "Don King" character was too much of a cartoon, but I loved the more complex father and son themes that ran throughout (Rocky and Micky, Rocky and his own son, the fact that Tommy Gunn substituted his hatred for his own alcoholic father toward father-figure Rocky). I recognize it's not as good as the other four, but it's nowhere near as awful as people make it out!

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 6:46 a.m. CST

    Stallone

    by NachoNegro

    I recognize this has been said a few times before, but he is in better shape at 60 than any of you bums have been at any point in your life. If I looked like that at 60 I would be proud of my accomplishment. You sad lazy twats just sit in your chairs eating your microwave ribs, with your fat guts spilling out over your belts, and you are ridiculing him for being too old? You couldn't run up a flight of stairs without wheezing. Anyway, I am cautiously looking forward to this. Ignore gAyBKing with his absurd predictions of $40m opening weekends - not going to happen. But this will more than make its money back. I predict $80m domestic.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 7:18 a.m. CST

    War of The Worlds

    by teh ran

    Of topic I know, the first time I watched WoTW I loved it, the second time with my wife she said how come only Tom Cruise survives and ruined the whole thing for me, the third time I watched it as a film about the relationship between Tom and his kids (disregarding the circumstances) actually made it a really good film. Spielberg has still got it you just have to dig deep sometimes to find it. On topic, I'll see Rocky Balboa just for nostalgia...Rocky, what's your prediction for the match....PAAAIIINNN, specifically in my knees and kidneys!!

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 7:24 a.m. CST

    screening attendance explained

    by filmcoyote

    the attendance for this screening does not mean no one is interested. what your reviewer is not telling you - he thinks he'll get in trouble - is this was a BAFTA screening, but there are about six to seven awards screening per night in London right now just as in LA, NY etc and this screening (which was on Tuesday) was only announced the day before. Since two other later screenings were announced the same time most BAFTA members opted to see a later screening. I'm going to see it in a couple of weeks, i couldn't go to that screening because it would have meant cancelling The Last King Of Scotland which i've had to cancel twice already.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    The Phantom Apollo Creed

    by johnnyloser

    At least Stallone didn't make a Rocky Special Edition beating Apollo Creed at the end of the first film or make a Prequil introducing JarJar. Nuff said.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Meat Loaf

    by NachoNegro

    The thing is, even if he is 60 Rocky is still going to beat Meat Loaf in a boxing match. Meat Loaf has never been in great shape (although he's thinner than he was). Put the two of them in front of a microphone and it will be different - but in the ring Meat Loaf has no chance. I just don't understand why they cast Loaf in this film - he has no history as a boxer, and doesn't even look the part (I certainly have no need to seem him in boxer shorts). What's next - Rocky 7 :- Rocky Vs. Ozzy?

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I did not predict a 40 MILLION weekend!!!

    by ABking

    I said BOND opened to 40 million so ROCKY can at least do 25-30 million over the long x-mas weekend! With a final gross of a SOLID 100 million in the U.S.! You people will eat crow if those figures hold true!

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    You'd be surprised how many are unaware of this.

    by SK909

    I think that when these trailers start playing regularly, there's gonna be a ground swell of support for the film. I think it has to do with just wanting movies to be good again, for them to not be about special effects or studio starfucking, where the goal is just to get an Oscar for some turgid drama... I really believe that people are starting to take this movie and put it on their shoulders as some kind of example. Now... it's a Rocky sequel, it's not The Godfather... so I think rather than being like, "What the hell are you talking about, it's just a stupid Rocky sequel?" I think you should look at it as a barometer of just how bad movies have become. I also think that, like the first one, it's coming along at a time when people want to be self-reliant, they don't trust their government, we're IN a war many are questioning (rather than just getting out of one), and people just want to feel like there is hope again and that they have SOME control of their own destiny. The media, which now tells us the sky is falling in one way or antother every 5 seconds on 80 different news channels and shows, just depresses people and creates a kind of paranoia that nobody has any control. This has gotten the movie audience to the point where a simple movie about the underdog taking control and overcoming the odds, done well, can just clean the fuck up... and Rocky is the ULTIMATE underdog.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    ROCKYMANIA in December!

    by ABking

    As word gets out with all the POSITIVE reviews so far and with the cool new toyline to rival the 80's ROCKY toyline, ROCKYMANIA will begin again...but just for one "final round":)

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    "He doesn't beat Mason Dixon. Rocky loses."

    by Orionsangels

    ah hell, whateva then. He goes the distance. I'm sure Rocky doesn't get knocked out in the first round. Although that would make for a funny ending, hehe. I'm sure it'll be emotional either way. The guys got nothing at this point.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I'm there Christmas morning, F'n A!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    I don't know if this was ever brought up but is it possible Stallone is playing Rocky in his mid to late fifties? I know he's really 60 now but he filmed this when he was 58 and he could pass for being 50-55.

  • Nov. 23, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I'll be beating my meatloaf until I see it.

    by Rakafraker

    I'm going to have to be in good shape for this one. I'm diggin how the major franchises are re-imagining their properties for the better. Batman, Bond, Balboa (not as down with the Supes thing, but I'm sure the next one will be better). P.S. I truly hope that anyone who thinks that Meatloaf (the singer/actor) is going in the ring with Rocky in this film gives their head a shake. Sarcasm. It's a hell of a thing.

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    rocky v

    by davidlyons

    is like the zukers made a rocky film, fucking hillarious

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 8:20 a.m. CST

    A ROCKY PREQUEL!!!!!

    by davidlyons

    now your talking my language

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Rocky 7

    by stlfilmwire

    Rocky loses his restaurant and becomes a janitor at a high school. He finds out some football player is getting abused by his dad, and Rocky decides to go toe to toe with him. A 70 year-old janitor versus a 40 year old father. Can Rocky do it!? Cameo by Billy Dee Williams as Apollo's brother Amos, the sauvest cafeteria worker in town.

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST

    oops...

    by stlfilmwire

    Or suavest... lol. Typos suck.

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Rakafraker

    by NachoNegro

    You seem unable to detect my sarcasm of the original sarcasm. Or could I be being sarcastic now?

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Umm...

    by The Midget_King

    I know I dont have very much room to talk here and could therefore be talking out my ass, but this review sounds as if his guy didnt really see the movie. I saw the trailer and could have gotten that information from it. "I won't go into it so much, because I don't really want to give away too much." Sounds a little like bullshit to me. Who knows, could be legit.

  • Nov. 24, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST

    I did see the movie...

    by echobase

    ... ask me anything and I'll tell you. As far as the attendance is concerned, yes, it was a last minute screening, but that never stopped the other 4999 BAFTA member before... Anyway, the film is good.. and I may even smell some nomination..

  • Nov. 25, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Mistake

    by SWR 77

    Ludicrous and pointless? Sounds like what I thought when I heard this was being made.....

  • Nov. 25, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    It's so hard to remember....

    by shellfishh

    ...after all the sequels what good movies "Rocky" and "First Blood" were without the excess and politics.

  • Nov. 26, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Sly = The Death of Cinema

    by heywood jablomie

    Does anybody remember that Rocky ended "the seventies" and ushered in an era of bullshit rah-rah you-can-do-it filmmaking (i.e., Flashdance, Top Gun...basically the entire Bruckheimer canon)? Every cheesy "underdog" movie and every upbeat action picture has its roots in the Rock. Stop or my mom will retch.