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ScoreKeeper Talks To Howard Shore About THE TWO TOWERS Complete Recordings, THE HOBBIT, And More!!

Published at: Nov. 16, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST by merrick

“Cold be hand and heart and bone. Cold be travelers far from home.” -Gollum

Greetings! ScoreKeeper here with a sword and scabbard to impale your Tolkien-starved heart. Ever since the release of THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING (2003) and ultimately the extended edition on DVD, I’ve yearned for something new to whisk me back to the green rolling hills, black charred mountains, and coruscating skies of middle-earth. How propitious for me and fans alike, that it should come in the form of “THE LORD OF THE RINGS – The Complete Recordings,” and it’s every bit as seductive as the One Ring. “THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE TWO TOWERS – The Complete Recordings” is an unprecedented release matched only by its predecessor, “THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING – The Complete Recordings,” which came out in December of last year. Much of what can be said about the magnificence of the later edition holds steadfast in regards to its earlier companion. This four disc box set features the entire score by Howard Shore as recorded for THE TWO TOWERS on three CDs and a 5.1 surround sound version on a single audio DVD. The collection retails for around $75 and contains a forty-five page book authored by Film Score Monthly stalwart Doug Adams. There are photographs from the film and the scoring stage, notated score selections, documentation of primary themes and motives, a track by track analysis of the music, biographies of prominent musicians, and photos and descriptions of featured instruments. An exceptional web site has been set up exclusively for the various soundtracks for THE LORD OF THE RINGS (CLICK HERE). Of particular interest are “The Annotated Scores” for both THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RINGS and THE TWO TOWERS sets which are available for download in PDF format. These tomes offer additional revelations not included in the original liner notes. Embracing each track of music are several paragraphs of nuanced information ranging from compositional decisions, symbolism, narrative relationships, and anecdotes. In addition are the complete text settings written by J.R.R. Tolkien and Philippa Boyens scribed in their respective languages accompanied by English translations by David Salo. Among the most noteworthy features of these supplementary texts are the “Unused Concept” and “In the Making” text boxes which are indicated by a surrounding red frame and are peppered throughout the forty-one pages of material. They denote abandoned compositional ideas and changes to individual cues which were either altered in post-production or omitted from the final version of the film all together. “The Complete Recordings” preserves Howard Shore’s original ideas and intentions which are clearly documented by these annotations. Listening to “THE TWO TOWERS - The Complete Recordings” transcends most film music listening experiences. It’s common practice to assemble film music on a CD to optimize the experience regardless of its context within the film. In this new set, you hear each cue unfold linearly with the narrative while preserving as much of Shore’s original compositional ideas as possible. The experience opens up new musical dimensions unleashing a wider appreciation of the craft behind scoring the film. It strengthens the listeners’ personal relationship with the story and characters and sheds light on creative decisions which altered the music from its original intent when released in the final version of the film. Realistically speaking, however, there just isn’t a demand to sustain similar releases for other films which is one of the reasons the complete recordings for THE LORD OF THE RINGS is such a milestone. Are these scores so wonderful as to merit the honor of having every recorded note released in a glorious four-disc box set with all the extravagance contained therein? Well, the answer is simply…yes. Rarely does a score come along so daring and inventive that it sprouts a new branch of achievement on the film scoring tree. Howard Shore’s compositional prowess exposed in THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy hasn’t caused the sprouting of a new branch. It’s planted a whole new tree. These scores will be for generations to come what STAR WARS (1977) was for my generation. They will continue to catalyze flocks of new fans and future film composers, some of which I hope include my great-grandchildren. A billion words have been spoken or written concerning Shore’s music for THE LORD OF THE RINGS. It’s an arduous task to add anything truly original which hasn’t already been uttered. Regardless, there remains one individual whom I could hear talk about this music for as long as I am able to hear the words. I recently had the honor of talking with Howard Shore about the new release of “THE TWO TOWERS – The Complete Recordings.” It’s brief but even in brevity can be found the opportunity to exclaim…”Ain’t it cool?” The Road Goes Ever On…

ScoreKeeper: The release of the complete recordings for THE LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy is unprecedented. It’s easily one of the more notable commercial releases in the history of film music. At what point did you find out these CDs were going to happen and how did the idea of releasing these recordings originate? Howard Shore: Hmmm. I think it may have been during TWO TOWERS in the studio…Peter and I talked about putting out all of the music that had been recorded during TWO TOWERS.
SK: There are so many compositional ideas in THE LORD OF THE RINGS. Was there ever anything that you fell in love with that never made it into the score? HS: (pauses while thinking)…No. Writing was a very linear process. I was writing while the films were being made. We were kind of working hand in hand with both.
SK: Is there anything else you’d love to do with THE LORD OF THE RINGS music that hasn’t already been done? HS: Possibly a live projection project where we’d play the score live to the film.
SK: Wow! Is that currently in the works? HS: It’s an idea. I’m thinking about it. It’s been done with other films. I did it on NAKED LUNCH (1991) with Ornette Coleman. We played it in Belfast, Ireland, and at the Barbican in London. In Belfast it was just the Ulster Orchestra and in London it was the BBC concert orchestra and Ornette’s trio. We did it live to a projection of NAKED LUNCH with separate tracks for dialogue and effects. It’s an interesting concert-sort-of-film-going experience. It’s like an enhanced movie experience.
SK: So would you try to do each complete film say like Wagner’s Ring Cycle and perform them each on a different night? HS: (laughing) I haven’t really got that far. It’s just an idea. The (Lord of the Rings Symphony) is two hours and ten minutes. It’s a six movement piece. The complete piece is close to eleven hours. So really if you wanted to play it live, that would be a way to do it. It would really be a way to play the complete recording.
SK: When I came up with the question, I couldn’t think of anything left for you to do but there you go. That would be awesome! HS: I think that’s the only thing (laughing).
SK: This project has taken up almost a decade of your life and you’ll probably continue to be actively involved with it in some capacity for the rest of your career. Do you think you’ll ever get tired of keeping up with it? Would you ever just want to be completely done? HS: No! You know, Christopher Lee reads the book every year. It’s such a fascinating story. The qualities that Tolkien wrote into the story are some of the greatest human qualities: friendship, honor, courage, sacrifice. Just amazing qualities! I think as human beings, you never really tire of those relationships because they’re just written so well. They’re described so well. That’s really the beauty in how he instills these great human qualities into that work. I think what makes it interesting is exploring those qualities and expressing them. I think the people who are interested in Tolkien’s work and in our work in making the film kind of goes together. We feel as strongly about it as well.
SK: I believe the music for THE LORD OF THE RINGS represents one of the, if not the, greatest achievements in the history of film music. No single composer faced so many seemingly impossible obstacles in one project and in the end so overwhelmingly overcame those obstacles. Is there anything about your work in this film that people may not know that you feel is important to share? HS: I always had a real strong connection with Frodo and his journey. He was a hobbit who was given a large task to do. I felt very similar in the beginning. You felt the weight of the ring and you felt that you were set on this great journey. Our story parallels the story of THE LORD OF THE RINGS. Our fellowship was formed as well between the collaborators who made the film. We all went on the same journey. We all supported each other and helped each other and creatively encouraged each other to do their best work. I think the fact that our work parallels the story is part of the process. I think that is part of the journey really. It’s only now, afterwards, in the same way the Hobbits returned to the Shire at the end, and looked, and the world had changed a little bit and they were slightly different. I think we’re feeling that as well. We’re looking back at our work and reflecting on it. The release of “The Complete Recordings” is really part of that process. It’s really a reflection on the work and what we’ve done. We’re kind of going through the same process like they did. I think that connection to the story is also part of our lives.
SK: What scene, in the entire LORD OF THE RINGS trilogy, are you most proud of? HS: I don’t know…I think the Shire scene was very natural writing for me. That scene and the fellowship scene came very early on and they’re really true expressions of how I felt about THE FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING. And then, things really just grooved from there. The work that I did, which was almost four years of writing and orchestrating and conducting, are all based on the beginnings of FELLOWSHIP and then leading into TWO TOWERS. I was on the journey as well. Now putting out all the recordings, I look back and I see and remember so clearly the steps along the way and the struggle to do the work and trying to do the most human expression of Tolkien’s story.
SK: When are the complete recordings for THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RETURN OF THE KING (2003) expected? HS: I’m working on it now. I’m going through the four discs. I’m starting to go through the editing process – first of all, we’re just making sure that everything is accounted for – and then the editing into the CDs and giving the CDs their shape and trying to work out the best form for the tracks. Then there’s all the technical requirements as well; the different formats we release in. We release them as enhanced stereo and different surround-sound formats. They’re all part of the process of making the box sets. Then there’s also Doug’s (Adams) liner notes which are incredibly important. Being and working with Doug is incredible and he’s doing a brilliant job. The notes are just a fantastic…part of the process and he’s been able to review the scores in a way and write about them.
SK: I definitely agree. The liner notes enhance the sets so well. HS: They kind of go together. He explains it in a way that’s knowledgeable but in a friendly way so that if you weren’t able to read the score you could still understand how the music related to each other and how the cultures related to each other and the objects and the characters. I think he’s done a great job.
SK: How long did it take to produce each individual box set? HS: It took about ten months, I think, for FELLOWSHIP. TWO TOWERS as well. It takes awhile (laughing). It’s a lot of music, it’s a lot of art, it’s a lot of pages of score. I think we’re getting better though. Maybe with RETURN OF THE KING, we can get it done a little faster than that but I’d say on the average it’s kind of going at about that rate.
SK: Let’s say hypothetically that Peter Jackson decides to take on THE HOBBIT somewhere in the future. Would you like to revisit middle-earth with him? HS: I’d love that. It would be wonderful. It would be so great to return to middle-earth and be writing music in that world again.
SK: Have you fantasized in your own mind the themes for THE HOBBIT? HS: Yes. (laughing)
SK: (laughing)…I’ve got one final wrap-up question. I’m curious. Where do you keep your Oscars? HS: There in my office in the studio.
SK: Well Howard, thank you so much for taking time out to talk with me. I think I can speak on behalf of LORD OF THE RINGS fans everywhere in thanking you for releasing these complete recordings box sets and I anxiously await THE RETURN OF KING. HS: Thank you.

I’d like to thank Beth Krakower for her assistance with this interview and again to Howard for taking the time out to talk about these magnificent releases. I keep pounding home the notion that it’s such a great time to be a fan of film music. The idea that we’ll soon be able to own every note of music Howard wrote for one of the greatest cinematic events in history is almost too much for my inner-geek to handle. What the hell, I’ll give it a shot. We wants it…my precious!

ScoreKeeper!!!

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  • Nov. 15, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST

    first?

    by landster

    .

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 6:23 p.m. CST

    This is too geeky...

    by squiddude

    Even for THIS site.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Cold be hand and heart and bone?

    by cyberskunk

    "Cold be hand and heart and bone. Cold be travelers far from home" is a twist on a song that a barrow wight gave in _The Fellowship of the Ring_. <p> I found it... <p> "Cold be hand and heart and bone, and cold be sleep under stone: never more to wake on stony bed, never, till the Sun fails and the Moon is dead. In the black wind the stars shall die, and still on gold here let them lie, till the Dark Lord lifts his hand over dead sea and withered land.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Too geeky...lol

    by Rupee88

    Yeah, when he asked him if he FANTASIZED the music for The Hobbit, and Shore laughed, I wonder if he was laughing at the question.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    geeky? Whatever, that music moves me

    by Pipple

    I'll buy this.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Ok then.

    by vivavitalogy

    "It’s easily one of the more notable commercial releases in the history of film music." Says you.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    the music is great, but...

    by jrbarker

    ...you would have to be a huge LOTR fan to plunk down 75 bucks for this set, as well done as it probably is.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 8:25 p.m. CST

    (laughing)

    by Neo Technic

    Hahahaha...fuck, we need to gert that Hobit movie out now before important characters die. And another subject, who is seriously going to buy this? This has to cost like $35-$50. Guess if you need a soundtrack for your epic D+D battles. Nerds.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST

    the unused music is the highlight of the album

    by oscarmike

    all the original stuff like that got cut out are back in the album and it's a treat. especially on the "Gandalf the White" track and the last 58 secs. of the "Nazgul Attack" cue. hope there's a future DVD release that will have all the music back in place. and dammit scorekeeper when will you review it

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Scorekeeper, you lucky bastard!

    by Godardwhowhatnow

    The complete recording for Fellowship is great. I can't wait for TT and ROTK.

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    $75 bucks for a four disc set is a wee bit pricey

    by mortsleam

    I'd love to have all of the music for these movies, but I just can't buy CDs anymore. iTunes hath ruined me. There has to be someone that I know that is an even bigger LOTR geek than I am that would buy this and burn copies for me. Hmmm...

  • Nov. 15, 2006, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Hobbit movie!

    by werideatdusk

    How I yearn for thou!

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    scorekeeper is...

    by Seph_J

    ...by far the best contributer to this site. Long may he continue to take this as seriously as he does. And the lord of the rings music truly is the greatest score ever written.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Scorekeeper, you lucky bastard!

    by soladeo1

    I know ScoreKeeper.... I went to high school with ScoreKeeper.... I was the best man at his wedding.... Yes, indeed, the ScoreKeeper is one lucky bastard.....

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    lost ark soundtrack would be MY precious...

    by Acne Scarface

    if only it were reissued.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 5:18 a.m. CST

    brilliant releases

    by Evil Hobbit

    but I have one little tiny nitpick; why the hell doesn't the package colors match the color of the extended en now limited edition releases? It is fellowship green, towers red, king blue. Now the fellowship comes out and it's red. Now we get the towers and it's blue. I mean, King will be green then? Why? This looks so stupid on my shelf. It's bitching, but it annoys me. Such a superb release and then the colors doesn't match the dvd releases. Either they should have sticked with red for all the complete recordings or they should have made the colors match with there dvd releases.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Jackson better make The Hobbit

    by Fridge

    Or I'll be one sad panda.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Jackson better NOT make The Hobbit

    by The Decider

    He hardly understood LotR, and it sounds like he understands The Hobbit even less.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Shore's music...

    by Thomas Cromwell

    ...gives me goose pimples, especially the Rohan theme with the Norwegian fiddle.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Wish he had asked about Kong

    by DufusyteII

    "Do you have any comments on King Kong05?" Shore: "Kong05 was a disappointing film and I'm happy in retrospect to have had nothing to do with it." (I made that up, but it's my sentiments, and probably Shore's as well.) Now, if PJ does the Hobbit, which I agree is a dubious proposition, considering his very disappointing treatment of Kong, I just hope PJ does not turn it into a satirical lampoon like he did Kong05, and I hope PJ would have the good sense to keep Shore on as the composer AND OBEY ALL OF SHORE's ARTISTIC IDEAS. I recall PJ dumped Shore from Kong05 due to artisit differences; well we now can see that Shore probably had better artistic ideas for Kong05 than PJ did. So on the Hobbit, PJ must obey Shore on all artisitic ideas. And Shore should fire PJ from the Hobbit two weeks before the deadline and bring on a different Director.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Howard Shore kicks Elfman's repetitive ass.

    by ZeroCorpse

    LOTR had an amazing, moving, non-gimmicky score that aided the film, rather than taking it over. Kudos to Shore for doing what a composer must do: Make a movie complete.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Question about the Complete Recordings

    by chrth

    Can you listen to it like it's a soundtrack? In other words, do the tracks follow one another like the 1-disc soundtrack, or do they have several tracks in a row of different music from the same scene?

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 6:14 p.m. CST

    Chrth:

    by Korassa

    Yes, all the tracks on the set are in the order they are heard (or would be heard, in the case of unused cues) in the film. Ditto with the FOTR set. These sets are utterly magnificent, and worth every damn penny.

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST

    why do you idiots keep confusing Elfman with Zimmer

    by oscarmike

    and zero corpse do yourself a favor and either find out what really happened on spider-man 2 in regards to the music or shut up. go listen to hans zimmer copy paste his music

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Korassa: thanks

    by chrth

    <nt>

  • Nov. 16, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST

    To mortsleam and Evil Hobbit

    by ScoreKeeper

    mortsleam-If it helps, the complete recordings ARE available on iTunes for only $40. It's not as cheap as getting a burned copy from a friend but it's far more legal. Evil Hobbit-I agree with your complaint about the color discrepencies from the DVD box sets. It is an ultra picky thing but hey, consistency would've been nice.