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Norvell gives a complete report on GHOST RIDER and MSJ's Appearance at Wizard World Texas!

Hey folks, Harry here... This is an OUTSTANDING report from Wizard World Texas on GHOST RIDER and Mark Steven Johnson. It's very detailed and very well done. I'm really hoping for the best with GHOST RIDER - I just wish it was allowed to be an R-rated scary as hell film. And I keep hoping that Peter Fonda gets full Mephisto makeup like in the comics - and I know that's a bullshit fanboy dream.... but I can't help it. Here ya go...

GHOST RIDER – MARK STEVEN JOHNSON PANEL at Wizard World Texas. Hello! I'm a long time reader, and this is my first time writing in to the site. I had the privilege of sitting in on the panel for director Mark Steven Johnson's Q&A for Ghost Rider at Wizard World Texas this year. He quickly introduced himself and advised that he was about to show us some footage of Ghost Rider. He didn't want to show us another trailer so he brought a full 8 ½ minute clip that takes place approx 60 minutes into the movie. He mentioned that the film has not been screened with an audience, so what we were about to watch was exclusive footage that has only been seen by the studio. He advised that some of the visual effects shots were incomplete, and that Ghost Rider has a temp voice in the clip. Clip Description: The scene begins at night as Ghost Rider is on the run and is in hot pursuit by a large police force. A quick shot of GR tearing down the street towards an arched bridge over water. I don't recognize the bridge but it's white with two thin, arched support beams going over it. GR drives his hell-cycle onto one of the support arches and comes to a stop in the middle. He looks around as police cruisers create roadblocks on both sides of the bridge, and a police helicopter flies up and shines a searchlight on him. The police call out over a megaphone informing GR that he is surrounded with no place to go. GR then tips his bike over the edge of the beam and plummets towards the water scraping the side of his bike down the bridge until he hits the water. The police all stare at the river dumbfounded as the camera cuts to an overhead view of the water with three glowing spots under the waves. To the shock of the police GR slowly emerges from the water until his bike rests on the surface. He casually looks up at the bridge and defiantly flips them the bird. He then rides off on the surface of the water much like a jet ski, with water shooting up on both sides of the bike. GR is now cruising through the city leaving a trail of fire as he cuts down an alleyway. It cuts to a dark interior shot of Wes Bentley as a very pale human version of Blackheart surrounded by two henchmen/demons. They react to the ever growing roar of a motorcycle engine outside of their building. The henchman on the left who has long hair and appears to be soaking wet utters, "He's coming for us" with a look of concern. Blackheart turns to the dread-locked henchman on the right and says, "You know what to do". The henchman responds with a smile of sharp yellow teeth and unnaturally blue eyes. He then vaporizes and you see a vaguely human-shaped cloud of dust fly towards the door. Cuts back outside to GR coming down the alley. All of a sudden the dust-cloud slams into GR, lifting him from his bike, carrying him through the air and slamming him into a parked car, smashing the cab and shattering the windows. The dust cloud flies up to a nearby rooftop and forms into the henchman, laughing. GR climbs off of the car and roars angrily at the henchman as he flies off towards a nearby office building. GR gets back onto his waiting cycle as a police car comes around the corner and begins chasing him as he calls for back up. GR tears down the alley towards the office building and it cuts to a close-up of GR's eye-sockets as he lifts his cycle into a wheelie, gunning the engine. We then see over the handlebars from GR's POV as he hits the building and proceeds to drive vertically up the side. GR then zooms past the camera as he roars up the building shattering all of the windows that he runs across. Cut to an interior window washer who is running a squeegee across the glass while listening to headphones. He turns away for just a moment and GR flies up across his window shattering the middle of it leaving glowing hot glass on the edges. The window washer turns around in shock not knowing what the hell just happened to his window, which gets a laugh from the auditorium. The camera cuts to Eva Mendez and the cops as they circle the bottom of the building. They look up in disbelief as GR reaches the top of the building flying into the air and slamming down onto the rooftop. As GR looks around for the dust-cloud the police helicopter emerges from the side of the building shining his searchlight. GR gets off of the bike and casually walks towards the chopper while unwrapping the chain from his body. He starts twirling it around in the air like a lasso and flings it so it latches to the landing gear. He then starts reeling it in towards himself, much to the shock of the pilot. The chopper tries to fly away, and it cuts to a shot of GR's boots sliding slightly on the rooftop, which seems to be burning the surface as he slides. GR really starts pulling hard and as the chopper gets close to the roof the nose dips some and he looks through the glass at the pilot and says with a booming voice "STOP FOLLOWING ME." The pilot says in a scared wimpy voice "O-o-o-ok. I'm sorry." and GR lets the chain have slack As the chopper pulls away eventually the chain gets taut and GR yanks on it with super-strength, swinging the chopper to the other side of the building and lets it go. The dust –cloud henchman appears floating in the air and lands on the roof saying something to the effect of "You really should have joined us…" and makes mention of the new order of hell. GR walks across to him with attitude and grabs the henchman by the jacket with both hands, lifting him off of his feet, and says with his booming voice "Look into my eyes". Just then the demon fades to dust again and lifts back into the air out of GR's grip. GR grabs his chain and snaps it like a whip at him, but it just goes right through him. The demon laughs and says something along the line of "You can't hit air, stupid." GR whips through him again with frustration and the demon says, "You're a slow learner aren't you?" GR grabs his chain with both hands and sets the entire chain on fire. He then starts twirling it at the demon who begins laughing until he realizes something is different and starts crying out as the chain creates some sort of flaming funnel/vacuum which starts ripping him apart and setting him on fire until he's vaporized. The way he burns apart reminds me of the way the vampires burn and turn to ash in the Blade movies. Looks cool. As the flame goes out you see the scene from the trailer as GR snaps the chain against himself and it wraps around him as the camera closes in on him for a close-up. Looks badass now, as the special effects are much better now than they were in that trailer months ago. The scene cuts to the police on the street below as a swat team emerges from a van. Cuts back to GR and the other scene from the trailer of him driving off of the roof in slow motion while snapping his chain to the windows to pull himself back to the side of the building. It cuts to a great profile shot of GR as he hauls ass down the glass. He lifts his front wheel as he slams into the ground shattering all of the nearby concrete and showering the police, cars, and Eva Mendez with concrete dust and debris. As the dust clears there is a great shot of GR just sitting on his bike amongst the broken, flaming concrete. Eva starts slowly walking towards GR and calls him "Johnny". GR dismounts and as he walks towards her with an outstretched hand, his flames turn to a light blue and subside somewhat. The police snap out of their daze and yell "OPEN FIRE!" and the entire squad peppers GR with bullets. After they stop shooting, GR just looks at them obviously unaffected. His flames turn yellow again and burst out of him in a raging fireball. He creates a wall of fire between himself and the police. As the police run back, he mounts his cycle and burns out, slamming two cop cars aside as he runs between them, out onto the street, and away. The camera shows a birds eye view of the dark city at dawn and you watch a trail of fire as GR drives alone out of the city. There is some great, somber, acoustic guitar music playing as we watch GR drive some distance out to a graveyard. It sounds like a western. At this point the sun is coming up and GR stops his bike and falls off limply to the pavement in pain. He writhes on the ground screaming as his flesh starts growing back over the bone, forming muscle, and then skin, to become Johnny Blaze. The transition effects are excellent and merge seamlessly. The audience reacts, as it looks painful. The flames burn out on the bike to expose a skeletal frame that recedes and slithers off, revealing Blaze's regular bike. Blaze then begins crawling across the grass, still very much in pain, until he reaches his father's tombstone and collapses in exhaustion. A shovel then hits the dirt in front of his face and he looks up at the silhouette of the caretaker, played by Same Elliot, who greets him with a "Hello, bonehead." Fade to black. The auditorium roared with applause as the lights came up and the director thanked everyone. He said it was great to see it with an audience finally, and he was really happy that we liked it. We then went into the Q&A. Info from the Q&A: In order to give expression to a faceless character, they use the color, shape, and movement of his flames to show you how he is feeling. There will be an extended cut of Ghost Rider on DVD , and he is very excited about it. He is happy with the current theatrical cut, as he has had no outside interference while editing, but there are many cut scenes that he hated to lose that he will have inserted back into the extended edition. He originally pitched doing a Ghost Rider film before he directed Daredevil, but the rights were not available at the time. When asked who his favorite actor to work with was between Ben Affleck and Nicolas Cage, he responded with laughter and said that it was an unfair question. When pressured for a response he chose Nic because he said he has been a fan of Nic's long before working with him. Nicolas Cage was attached to the project for years, before the director was brought on board. He said he would really like to make Daredevil 2, in a "Born Again" storyline, as long as he didn't have studio/producer interference like the first film. He said the studio was looking at Elektra to be the sequel to Daredevil, and with that movie being a disaster they have seemingly shelved DD2. He said he would also like to do a sequel to Ghost Rider if Nicolas Cage would return. When asked about bringing in the Midnight Sons in possible sequels, he said he would very much like to do so. He says that he is really happy with how the Director's Cut of Daredevil turned out, despite some flaws. He's just disappointed because he feels that not enough people have seen it. In response, a fan stood up and said that the director's cut kicked ass and that it is one of his favorite comic movies. The auditorium applauded. Back when the release date was still in August, the studio was so happy after viewing the film that they bumped up the release date a month to July, which the director turned down, as he didn't want to compete with Pirates 2. The year-long delay from the original release date was due to having to re-work the fire effects. They created an entirely new program to render realistic cg fire and after seeing the finished result they realized that real fire isn't that visually interesting and dynamic. They ended up having to go back and re-create the effects shot for shot for dramatic effect. They will be finalizing the visual effects until the end of January. He stated that approx 30 million of the budget has gone purely to visual effects. He said the origin story of Ghost Rider is entirely Johnny Blaze with very minor changes. He only took a few things from Danny Ketch that he liked, such as the current costume and the penance stare. Blackheart will eventually be shown in his familiar demonic form as depicted in the comics, and his look will evolve by the end of the picture. Mephisto will also appear in a demonic form in the movie, as the director thinks his normal visual interpretation in the comics is ridiculous. Ghost Rider is ordered by Mephisto to hunt down and destroy his son Blackheart, as he is trying to take over hell. Blackheart is searching for hidden demons that can control various elements as part of his plot to overthrow Mephisto. Ghost Rider has to hunt down and destroy these demons in order to defeat Blackheart. The bike is 12 feet long from end to end, and can reach up to 90 mph. The stunt riders were terrified of taking turns, as they didn't want to lay it out. When asked who would win in a fistfight between Walter Matthau, Nicolas Cage and Ben Affleck, the director chose Walter Matthau. He stated that it is difficult to make a decent trailer of the movie as due to MPAA regulations you can't show a man on fire. He was then asked how they could get away with the Human Torch in the Fantastic Four trailer. He responded that it went through because it was an instant and painless transformation, but with Ghost Rider it's a long, graphic and painful transformation with his flesh peeling away. He stated that Nic Cage's perspective of what it would be like to be a man with a werewolf-like curse is like living your entire life in a dentist's chair, never knowing when the dentist will hit a nerve. He said that he approached the Blaze/Ghost Rider characters as having a Jekyll and Hyde relationship. It's a painful transformation and the Ghost Rider demon enjoys being released, and does not like changing back to Blaze. The Ghost Rider demon is not referred to by the name Zarathos. The director thought that is was an unnecessary addition made later in the character's mythology. When asked whom he would choose to make a movie out of in the DC Comics line other than Batman or Superman, he said he would like to adapt Preacher, to which the audience responded with applause. He chose to screen the clip of the movie at Wizard World Texas due to the fact that the movie takes place in Texas. They scouted in Dallas, Houston, and Austin, but ended up making most of the film in Australia however, due to budget reasons. He said they filmed enough of Texas to where the audience shouldn't question where the story takes place. The demon/cowboy Phantom Rider, that is seen riding his demon steed alongside Ghost Rider in the trailer, was included to give the impression that there have been various Ghost Rider's chosen by the devil throughout history. The director stated that they have become some of his favorite scenes. When a little boy asked him who his favorite comic character is, he said it was Dazzler with a straight face. The auditorium started laughing and the boy seemed disappointed because he had no idea who that was. He told the kid he was joking and said that his favorite character has always been Ghost Rider. Any time he noticed someone in the audience that was wearing a costume, he cheered them on. When asked if he has been in contact with John Favreau about Iron Man, he stated that he had just been visiting him before the panel. He said that he hasn't read the script because it wasn't finished yet, but he has spoken to John about the movie overall, and he believes that it will be very good and is looking forward to seeing it. He said he would possibly like to use the Marvel Scarecrow as a villain in a Ghost Rider sequel. He said Scarecrow was the villain in his original draft of the movie, but he had to replace him with Blackheart after the studio learned that Scarecrow was going to be the villain in Batman Begins. Ghost Rider is ordered by Mephisto to hunt down and destroy his son Blackheart, as he is trying to take over hell. Blackheart is searching for hidden demons that can control various elements as part of his plot to overthrow Mephisto. Ghost Rider has to hunt down and destroy these demons in order to defeat Blackheart. When asked if he had to choose between either just writing or directing, he said he would direct because writing is such a lonely process, and he enjoys being surrounded by people actually making a movie. He said he was amazed that they got a PG-13 rating on Ghost Rider without cutting anything from the movie. He said he has learned that the MPAA is very unpredictable with what they will allow to slide as far as violence goes. He believes that Ghost Rider made it through due to the strong fantasy elements. He believes that an R-rating is unnecessary to make a good Ghost Rider film. Stan Lee does not have a cameo in the movie as he did not contribute to the creation of the Ghost Rider character, and due to the fact that is was filmed primarily in Australia. Dane Davis, the sound designer, combined Nic Cage's voice along with animal growls of a lion, leopard, and tiger, the sound of fire, the sound of wind being blown through some pipes, and the sound of a greased up chain being dragged on the ground to create the voice of Ghost Rider. After the Q&A, he allowed us to watch the clip one more time as the audience was crying out to see it again. He then stayed to sign autographs on the free Ghost Rider movie posters they gave out, and I also had him sign my copy of the Director's Cut of Daredevil. Mark Steven Johnson was in high spirits, very polite and cheerful, and it's professionals like him that I have no problem waiting in line for to get an autograph. I personally thanked him for coming out to Texas to premier the footage of Ghost Rider since I've never been able to attend San Diego Comic-Con. -Norvell
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  • Nov. 12, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Dazzler: The Movie?

    by elmstreetkid

    it could be the first superhero musical :)

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    How can this possibly be good?

    by Jonesey1111

    Just wonderin'...

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I think I buy the Daredevil DC next week,

    by DerLanghaarige

    Wanted to do it since it's out.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Sounds cool.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    And the director sounds like a nice guy. I hope nothing but good things for this movie. PS. Daredevil directors cut kicks ass!

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    This is going to tank so hard.

    by jimmy_009

    The trailer is a laughable nightmare. No wonder it's being dumped in February.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    About the Daredevil DC

    by Zombie Carnifex

    Seriously that cut was Soooooooo much better than what was released. The studio really screwed the pooch by not releasing that version. Not all DCs are great, but this one sure as hell is. as for GR I'll give it a shot, it has to be better than the FF movie.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Give him a chance, I say

    by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly

    Yeah, Daredevil was kinda mediocre, but the director sounds like a nice guy and seems like a geniune comic fan. I'll give him my six bucks.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    DD sucked but that scene from GR sounded cool

    by DOGSOUP

    This is the first time I was inclined to see it....

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST

    GHOST RIDER ROCKS

    by hatespeech

    and you'll know it too in Feb.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST

    1st mention of Zarathos

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    is only about 1 year after GR's debut in Marvel Spotlight 5. I think will be on par with DD, about a C+ for a grade imo

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I hope the "studio interference" isn't merely a cover..

    by rbatty024

    for the shitty Daredevil movie, and that this guy actually has talent. Althought, I must admit that the previews have yet to get me that excited.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    WELL

    by THE KNIGHT

    I'm really looking forward to this... I'll cut him some slack for Daredevil... It had some decent stuff, the effects weren't that great though.... This should definitely be released in the summer...

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    This looks so lame

    by jasper Stillwell

    Really poor idea for a comic book movie, the trailer looked ridiculous and Nicholas Cage is the kiss of death these days surely?

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST

    GR RULES!!

    by El Borak

    hopefully the movie will too. that sounded pretty cool. a lot of GR did take place in a city, so that's not a bad thing. as long as he burns up a lot of shit and scares people it sounds good to me.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Sweet

    by The*tick*

    I look forward to Nic Cage braking sharply and his wig flying down the road.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST

    DD DC

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    whats the difference between the theatrical and director's cut of DD? i always thought that movie had potential.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST

    mark steven johnson and dane davis

    by oscarmike

    could it get any better than that. I hope ghost rider's voice kicks like a mule like the Dues Ex Machina voice that Davis did for "Revolutions"

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST

    MSJ wants to make Preacher?

    by Neo Zeed

    He aint ready for that movie. Sorry.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Please, God, don't let that hack have "Preacher".

    by MattCG

    I would kill a baby to prevent this abomination from ever coming into existence. A cute, blonde one.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    DOOOOM

    by choptop

    "In response, a fan stood up and said that the director's cut kicked ass and that it is one of his favorite comic movies. The auditorium applauded." OMG, I think I just shit my brain. I really want this movie to be good, but the dialog mentioned in the above description was awful, even for a comic movie. The action sounded shitty too. A fuckin chain tornado vortex thing to suck up a dust demon? A sad damn tale indeed.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    the movie looks bad, but...

    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    i don't think it's MSJ's fault. i get the vibe that he has a real passion for the project and is trying real hard. it's just that i donno how you're going to make a flaming skull look compelling as a main character.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Ghost Rider is one of my favs

    by Pipple

    Can't wait. Thanks for the summary.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 8:02 p.m. CST

    "I had the privilege of sitting in"

    by PervOmatic

    Stopped reading right there...that is a total giveaway as to who wrote this.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    On the fence

    by King Willy

    I know I will get lynched, but I remember watching Daredevil in the movies and I walked away very satisfied. It is easy for me to say this as I had no real relationship with the comics (2000 ad was my thing). What impressed me was the tone. I loved the cinematography; it was gritty and felt real. That upped the stakes is it conveyed that we lived in the same world as what was happening in the movie. and I actually like Ben’s portrayal. He didn’t look like he enjoyed being a super hero and he did for me come across as tortured. Funny is I watched it again on cable and it felt not quite poor, but medoicre, I still loved the style, but it conflicted with many of the villains campness (yes you Mr Colin). I enjoyed Bullseye as a guilty pleasure, but he stood out too much. Many of the moves (the fight in the park, where laughable) and it betrayed the gritty tone that I admired on the 1st viewing. When I freind lent me the DD I was not blown away but it was an improvement. It was interesting, but I imagine if this had been my 1st viewing it would have felt bloated and maybe boring. That said the poor Mark got screwed by the studio. I remember there was an entire segment on the interference of the studio for his suit. They didn’t want it red as it was too close to Spiderman. I was amazed that he was able to finish the film with that sort of pressure. We may cane daredevil on the internet sites, but it’s a decent but flowed movie, but once you realise the pain Mark went through it is a testament to his skill and drive. Now I’m not sold on the trailers of GR and Nic looks as if his lines are delivered with so much irony that he looks like he’s thinking, “I still can’t believe people are paying this money to talk shit and look bored in their movies, let’s ride.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    ghost rider should have been a '70s explotation film

    by van_line

    The best possible GR movie they could make would be one that has the grindhouse approach, violent, dark and not for kids.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    shotgun_slinger:

    by Lou C.

    The changes to the DD DC are fairly significant. (Spoilers Ahead) First of all, a character played by Coolio is inserted back into the film. His case is taken by DD and Foggy, and it makes Foggy a more important character in the film. The case ties into the Kingpin, which, in turn gives more screen time to Michael Clarker Duncan and Leland Orser. Joe Pantaliano's Ben also has a more fleshed out part. The key change I really liked, though, was that Daredevil and Elektra do not sleep together. The longing Daredevil feels when she "dies" is now not that he lost someone he fell in love with in the course of a day or two, it's based on his longing for what might have been. The really sad part is listening to the producer talk about how he really felt like it needed to be a 90-minute film and he proceeds to defend the original version. My question is, shouldn't they have known from the beginning that Johnson's script was going to run about two hours, and when did they plan on telling him they needed to hack the movie down to 90 minutes? And did they not notice that some of the best comic book adaptations have been films that ran in the 2-hour range (like the Spider-Man films)? I admit to enjoying the theatrical release of Daredevil, but I recognized it had many, many flaws for me. The director's cut cleared up many of them and, in my opinion, is a far better film.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    CarmillaVonDoom

    by James418

    Zarathos is first mentioned by name in Ghost Rider #76, dated Jan.'83. GR debuted in Marvel Spotlight #5, dated August 1972. That's 11 Years.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by zebra

    I wish I had a photographic memory so that I could remember 8 minutes of a movie in complete detail.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    sounds AWFUL

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Nicholas Cage = Bald and Unbearable

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Cage's acting gives me diarrhea

    by gildersleeve

    so I think I'll pass on this

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST

    AWESOME REPORT NORVELL!!!!

    by tomasginther

    I wasn't able to get to there myself, even though I'm not far (Houston). But I think it's great that MSJ asked the studio to send him to Arlington. Arlington sucks. Johnson must really want to take care of the fans to bother going there. Cool that he cares so much. Other directors should take not -- make the fans happy first.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    PREACHER!

    by WHALEBLUBBER

    MSJ SHOULD do Preacher. That's one of the best comics ever written and would make an incredible movie, except that it would need to be at least three movies to be done right.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Sounds very cool

    by JackKennedy

    I like that fact that they're just going balls out with this and making it a good time. You can trash Cage all you want but at least he's not boring. He doesn't take himself too seriously. I will definitely go opening weekend to see his skin fry off of his skull.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:28 p.m. CST

    Cage's Acting Give You Diarrhea?

    by valetparkingguy

    That sucks for you, cuz he's in a new movie about every weekend. He's probably in Happy Feet for all we know. Seriously, Nic, take a break. Get some rest. Ghost Rider sounds cool, though. Pretty ballsy to show that much of the movie knowing it would get leaked out.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Nic Cage...

    by Freefinger

    yes I also feel he just doesn't work in a movie the treats SuperHeroes... I don't know... His maneurisms are way too weird, his face just doesn't resonate with me for GR or Supe's (well.. he was attached once..). He was great in Face Off, and God of war, but those are the kind of roles that make his presence great. Ghost Rider.. I don't know... We'll have to wait to completely say it was a bad choice, but right now.. I just don't see him in the role. Seems a little bit out of place for my taste. He'll have to pull one hell of a big rabbit out of the hat to get me to give it a thumbs up. Just the fact that they pushed this to Feb seems to be a clear indicator that the film is just not up to par.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    valetparkingguy

    by valetparkingguy

    I actually think that Cage's weirdness is what makes him right for Ghost Rider. You mention FACE OFF and it's that kind of manic energy and over the top acting that could make Ghost Rider a wild time. It certainly won't the dark, brooding superhero with a secret angle and I think that's good. Let his skin burn off, let Nic bug his eyes out, let him go fucking batshit crazy and I'm there.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    in reponse...

    by Freefinger

    IN REPONSE TO: valetparkingguy I hope you're right... reeeaaalllyyy do... 'cause I've been dying to see a movie made on GR, and now that they've finally done it, I'm second guessing it... 'specially the whole "other ghost riders from the past thing..." Wasn't this done with .. oh I don't know... SPAWN? I mean if you're about to steal some ideas, do some that were good, not this. Could come out right, could come out wayyyyyy wrong.. we'll just have to see... IN REPONSE TO: zebra.... I gotta agree, that whole photgraphic memory thing is amazing... I also wish I could do that... man the guy's a freaking moachine to remember all of that in so many details, hope he had a script handed to him 'cause that's pure fu**ing genious... I have problems remembering what happened last night, the guy remebers every detail... wow..

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Other Ghost Riders

    by Dick Testicle

    The original old west Ghost Rider was first called the Phantom Rider, rode on horseback, fought indians, etc. Later his name was changed to the Ghost Rider, back in the 40's or 50's, regardless -- it was WAY before Todd McFarlane was even born. The concept of an earlier Ghost Rider is not a reinvention of the source material. Spawn ripped off Ghost Rider, not the other way around.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    I WAS THERE!!!

    by KaptainKurt

    I was the one who asked MSJ about other comic to film translations. He signed my Director's Cut DVD afterwards. I asked for a photograph and the security guard (a big DICK BTW) said "no photos" but MSJ just laughed and said "of course." I took up about five minutes of his time even though the line was huge. Really nice fucking guy. And it's true about the footage they showed. I swear to God I got fucking goosebumps.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    pffff... first audience to see it- bah humbug!

    by Russman

    I saw it back in Jan. And I liked it.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    One more thing...

    by KaptainKurt

    Ghost Rider flipping the cops the bird got a HUGE laugh. Then he gave a great cackle and took off riding down the river. It was the look on the cop's face that cracked everybody up.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Dick Testicle...

    by Freefinger

    You just corrected me.. I appologize.. Did the other GR ever communicate with each other (Just curious..)... I still think putting this in the movie was not a great one, they should concentrate on one at a time, you know, since this movie will have critics all over, might as well concentrate on one and do it right the first time around... I'm crossing my fingers on this one!

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Freefinger

    by Dick Testicle

    The fact that you're willing to apologize to someone who calls himself Dick Testicle is a testament to your stature! The Ghost Rider from the old west along with the later 90's Danny Ketch Ghost Rider and the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider did, in fact, have some storylines where they fought side by side. Danny and Johnny even ended up being related. Regardless, I get the feeling that the Old West Ghost Rider is only a small part of the movie and that this is the Johnny Blaze version for most of the movie. Most likely a handing off of the torch kind of thing. Who knows? I am, however, really excited about the flick. I just think it's looks like a blast.

  • Nov. 12, 2006, 11:47 p.m. CST

    here's the 2 GRs

    by El Borak

    delete the space. http://img.photobucket.com /albums/v376/thejeditraitor/HGGD.jpg

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    He writhes on the ground screaming as his flesh starts growing b

    by PeterPeterPeter

    I'm going to this movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST

    Allow me to finish...

    by PeterPeterPeter

    "He writhes on the ground screaming as his flesh starts growing back over the bone, forming muscle, and then skin, to become Johnny Blaze. The transition effects are excellent and merge seamlessly. The audience reacts, as it looks painful." That's all I needed to hear.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Sounds Big

    by Billy Bob 2

    Like "Terminator 2" big. Won't know until I see it for myself, but that's a hell of a segment.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 1:31 a.m. CST

    To be fair, there's definitely an audience for this.

    by pcpandfistfite

    A gay, retarded audience.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Why bring Jesse, Cassiday, & Tulip into this....

    by stereochad

    Why they didn't do nothin to deserve the cruel fate of having their story being told by the same arse(s) who made that crap Daredevil movie. Preacher will only translate it's greatness if told by either A) HBO - or - B) A director with real vision (think Scorsese, Tarantino, Boyle, Besson, Ratner, etc...) over a multi-part story arc. Vertigo titles need real directors, as they don't have the name cache of the big two comics houses stable of characters. Did you see the abortion that was Constantine? I didn't. nuff' said

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 2:31 a.m. CST

    That's funny because I included Ratner' in with.....

    by stereochad

    the real directors. That is all.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 4:33 a.m. CST

    stereochad

    by DirkD13"

    how can you say that constantine was an abortion if you've never seen it?

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 7:40 a.m. CST

    that scene with the window cleaner sounds like comedy g

    by teh ran

    I mean, I would never have thought to insert a scene like that into a movie! I just hope they have the sense to film a scene with a bum in the park who double takes his whisky only to ceromonioulsy dump it on the grass in a mock 'what is this sh*t, I'm drinking' disbelieving way. I'm sorry but all credibility left the conversation at that point.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Even if this guy was a plant...

    by Childe Roland

    ...what he describes sounds cool enough for me. I trust this director. Daredevil, even the theatrical release, was closer to its comic source material than 99% of comic book movies out there. The theatrical version didn't make for a very good movie because a good chunk of what makes Matt Murdock compelling (the constant dilemma he faces as a lawyer and a vigilante) got cut out. The Director's Cut truly is a lot better if you're a comic fan (I could see how a casual moviegoer with no comic background might find it a bit slow, though). Anyway, everything I've seen from Ghost Rider so far gives me hope. And I think Cage has finally found the superhero (well, more of a monster, really) part he was born to play (maybe because he can ditch the bad wig for most of his scenes). Fonda and Elliot are just gravy at this point.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    The Transformation

    by Ciggees

    If you saw that fucking INTENSE transformation clip on Youtube then you know how cool this movie is going to be. Best. Scene. Ever.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    In case you haven't seen it

    by Ciggees

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIT4Lg5Rlmk

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Could be good

    by godzillasushi

    I wonder how great the effects are.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Flaming SKULL FX

    by Jellyfishing

    Have gotten much better on this movie over the past year. REmember that first trailer? It looked terrible. But the latest trailer and the transformation both look awesome. Good thing they delayed this to get it right.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Bleh

    by Ricky Henderson

    I really don't care much about skeletons that are on fire and can ride motorcycles up the sides of buildings. Call me crazy.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    COOL

    by JackKennedy

    Funny, I was just thinking the exact opposite -- the idea of a flaming skeleton riding a motorcycle up a building is about the coolest visual ever. At least you can't say that you've seen that before. I will be there.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    My beef with M.S.J. is...

    by maceodkat

    that dude cant make a good movie. DD sucked & I cant even sit through Electra. Both movies looked great in 30 second, or in this case 8 1/2 min intervals, mostly because you not forced to sit through the craptastic work of this hack. everytime some jerkoff fails to make a buck, who pays? the beloved & oft ingnored, fan. DD should've been a no brainer winner introducing us to punisher and the seedy world of hells kitchen. electra is one of marvels most badass babes, and her film was horrendous. studios think downloading & pulling a Cpt. Jack are the sole reason that studios cant get ahead, when really this clown (and i'm putting him in the same league as Boll, M.D.) is pissing on our (fanboy, if you have to pigeon hole it) art and f'ing it up for serious directors that WANT to translate cool and exciting storylines from the pages of the most illustrous of illustrated masterpieces. some folks might not see GR, or DD, or anything thats not X or Spidey realted, not worthy of a serious go-around, but I have to sorely disagree. I usually like to "make mine marvel", but i'm a big fan comics across the board and look forward to sin city 2 & 300. Snyder & RR have proven that you can make great comic into a FANtastic film.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Puh-lant!

    by onemanarmy

    Sorry but I have to call B.S. on this dude. Without some sort of recording device, or uncanny note-taking skills...who the fuck could honestly remember everything this guy put in his review. All that aside...I love GR, and I can't wait to see this movie.

  • Nov. 13, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST

    maceodkat, you are a dumbass

    by WHALEBLUBBER

    DD the Director's Cut is one of the best comic book movies made. If you haven't seen it you need to shut the fuck up. "DD shoud've been a no brainer winner introducing us to punisher and the seedy world of hells kitchen?" Punisher? WTF are you talking about? Punisher has nothing to do with the DD story and to suggest it means you have not idea what you're talking about. MSJ didn't write or direct Elektra, he only has an obligatory producer credit because of Daredevil movie. Know your shit before you try to speak for the rest of us geeks.