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Tonight!! Don’t Forget!! Cinemax Is First To Provide All Six STAR WARS Movies In HD!!
I am – Hercules!!
Which movies does Herc want to see most in HD?? The “Star Wars” movies. HD makes even the horrible Episode I tolerable.
They all come to HD for the first time ever at midnight and run 14 hours until 2 p.m. Saturday. Then they run all six again, from 2 p.m. Saturday till 3:30 a.m. Sunday.
But remember!! Do not watch them in the order Cinemax shows them. If you must watch all six, this is the correct sequence in which you are required to watch them:
Episode IV: A New Hope
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
Episode I: The Phantom Menace
Episode II: Attack of the Clones
Episode III: Revenge of the Sith
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
The other ways are no good! You’ll have to use your DVR until LucasFilm issues them on HD-DVD or Blu-ray.
Look!! A month-old press release!!
For Immediate Release
Oct. 10, 2006
EPIC ACTION AND ADVENTURE OF STAR WARS(r) SAGA
EXPLODES ONTO CINEMAX BEGINNING NOV. 10
WITH BACK-TO-BACK LINEUP OF ALL SIX EPISODES
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CINEMAX To Air Entire STAR WARS Saga In High Definition
For The First Time Ever During "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon"
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Films Supported By On Demand And Online Components
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This November, CINEMAX(r) celebrates the STAR WARS saga and gives its fans reason to celebrate by airing all six films in George Lucas' epic adventure during a single weekend marathon.
Beginning at midnight on FRIDAY, NOV. 10 (ET/PT*), the "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon" kicks the month into hyperdrive, as all six films air in order in High Definition (where available), beginning with STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE(tm). This unprecedented STAR WARS marathon concludes Monday, Nov. 13, with STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Throughout the weekend, CINEMAX will devote its schedule to George Lucas' cinematic journey, so fans have multiple opportunities to experience the STAR WARS saga in order and in High Definition (where available) for the first time ever.
CINEMAX On Demand users will also receive exclusive access to the entire STAR WARS saga any time from Nov. 2 until Dec. 28, with more than a dozen special features and footage - from original concept art to the behind-the-scenes looks at the making of the saga's creatures, weaponry and more, all courtesy of Lucasfilm Ltd.
The visionary STAR WARS saga tells the story of the Skywalker family, set against an ongoing battle of good and evil, as Jedi Knights attempt to free the galaxy from the clutches of the dark forces of the Empire - ultimately led by Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader) himself.
Both the original STAR WARS trilogy and the blockbuster prequels will air throughout November. After the "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon," fans can catch the two STAR WARS trilogies on separate nights: the prequel trilogy (Episodes I-III), on THURSDAY, NOV. 16, beginning at 5:15 p.m., and the original trilogy (Episodes IV-VI), on FRIDAY, NOV. 17, beginning at 5:45 p.m. Viewers can also see a different STAR WARS episode at noon (in release date order) beginning MONDAY, NOV. 20, or each night at 10:00 p.m. (in story order) beginning SUNDAY, NOV. 26.
For the ultimate STAR WARS fan experience, the presentation of all six films is supported by a national online interactive game and sweepstakes - the "CINEMAX Corellian Challenge" (Oct. 16-Dec. 31), a six-round game in which users travel through space to destroy enemy ships and attempt to restore freedom to the galaxy. A grand prize of $10,000 will be awarded in December, with secondary prizes given out weekly.
In addition, Cinemax.com will roll out trailers and behind-the-scenes clips throughout the broadcast of the films. For more game information and sweepstakes rules and regulations, go to Cinemax.com.
The "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon" lineup includes:
STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE: This blockbuster first installment of the prequel trilogy follows the young years of Anakin Skywalker and his friendship with Jedi masters Obi-wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman star; it premieres FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at midnight on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (1:50 p.m., 3:40 a.m.), 12 (5:40 p.m.), 16 (5:15 p.m.), 23 (noon) and 26 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES: Now a young Jedi apprentice, Anakin Skywalker falls in love with the queen he is assigned to protect, as sinister forces enact a plan to control the galaxy. Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee star in this action-packed episode, debuting FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at 2:20 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (4:10 p.m.), 12 (6:00 a.m., 8:00 p.m.), 16 (7:30 p.m.), 24 (noon) and 27 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH: Torn between the woman he loves and the seductive nature of the dark side of the Force, Anakin completes his transition into the evil Darth Vader as he faces off against his former mentor and best friend. The final installment of the prequels stars Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee. Debuts FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at 4:45 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (6:35 p.m.), 12 (8:30 a.m., 10:30 p.m.), 16 (10:00 p.m.), 25 (noon) and 28 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE: Winner of six Oscars(r), this spectacular adventure traces the evolution of young Luke Skywalker as he leaves his home planet to ally with fellow rebels and save the beautiful Princess Leia from the evil Darth Vader. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness star in the breathtaking journey. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 7:10 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (11:00 a.m., 12:50 a.m.), 17 (5:45 p.m.), 20 (noon) and 29 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: In this classic installment, Luke Skywalker seeks his destiny as a Jedi knight while evil Darth Vader strikes back against his comrades in the battle to save the galaxy. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams star in the action spectacular. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 9:20 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (1:10 p.m., 3:00 a.m.), 17 (7:50 p.m.), 21 (noon) and 30 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI: Luke Skywalker and his fellow rebels reunite to combat a powerful new Death Star in the action-packed climax to the entire saga. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams also star in the Oscar(r)-winning sci-fi adventure. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 11:30 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (3:20 p.m., 5:10 a.m.), 17 (10:00 p.m.) and 22 (noon).
Art for these films can be found on the HBO Media Relations website at homeboxoffice.com, in the "Breaking News" section.
CINEMAX is a registered trademark of Home Box Office, Inc.
(c) Lucasfilm Ltd & TM. All Rights Reserved
Academy Award(r) and Oscar(r) are registered trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
Oct. 10, 2006
EPIC ACTION AND ADVENTURE OF STAR WARS(r) SAGA
EXPLODES ONTO CINEMAX BEGINNING NOV. 10
WITH BACK-TO-BACK LINEUP OF ALL SIX EPISODES
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CINEMAX To Air Entire STAR WARS Saga In High Definition
For The First Time Ever During "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon"
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Films Supported By On Demand And Online Components
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This November, CINEMAX(r) celebrates the STAR WARS saga and gives its fans reason to celebrate by airing all six films in George Lucas' epic adventure during a single weekend marathon.
Beginning at midnight on FRIDAY, NOV. 10 (ET/PT*), the "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon" kicks the month into hyperdrive, as all six films air in order in High Definition (where available), beginning with STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE(tm). This unprecedented STAR WARS marathon concludes Monday, Nov. 13, with STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI.
Throughout the weekend, CINEMAX will devote its schedule to George Lucas' cinematic journey, so fans have multiple opportunities to experience the STAR WARS saga in order and in High Definition (where available) for the first time ever.
CINEMAX On Demand users will also receive exclusive access to the entire STAR WARS saga any time from Nov. 2 until Dec. 28, with more than a dozen special features and footage - from original concept art to the behind-the-scenes looks at the making of the saga's creatures, weaponry and more, all courtesy of Lucasfilm Ltd.
The visionary STAR WARS saga tells the story of the Skywalker family, set against an ongoing battle of good and evil, as Jedi Knights attempt to free the galaxy from the clutches of the dark forces of the Empire - ultimately led by Anakin Skywalker (Darth Vader) himself.
Both the original STAR WARS trilogy and the blockbuster prequels will air throughout November. After the "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon," fans can catch the two STAR WARS trilogies on separate nights: the prequel trilogy (Episodes I-III), on THURSDAY, NOV. 16, beginning at 5:15 p.m., and the original trilogy (Episodes IV-VI), on FRIDAY, NOV. 17, beginning at 5:45 p.m. Viewers can also see a different STAR WARS episode at noon (in release date order) beginning MONDAY, NOV. 20, or each night at 10:00 p.m. (in story order) beginning SUNDAY, NOV. 26.
For the ultimate STAR WARS fan experience, the presentation of all six films is supported by a national online interactive game and sweepstakes - the "CINEMAX Corellian Challenge" (Oct. 16-Dec. 31), a six-round game in which users travel through space to destroy enemy ships and attempt to restore freedom to the galaxy. A grand prize of $10,000 will be awarded in December, with secondary prizes given out weekly.
In addition, Cinemax.com will roll out trailers and behind-the-scenes clips throughout the broadcast of the films. For more game information and sweepstakes rules and regulations, go to Cinemax.com.
The "CINEMAX STAR WARS Weekend Marathon" lineup includes:
STAR WARS: EPISODE I THE PHANTOM MENACE: This blockbuster first installment of the prequel trilogy follows the young years of Anakin Skywalker and his friendship with Jedi masters Obi-wan Kenobi and Qui-Gon Jinn. Liam Neeson, Ewan McGregor and Natalie Portman star; it premieres FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at midnight on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (1:50 p.m., 3:40 a.m.), 12 (5:40 p.m.), 16 (5:15 p.m.), 23 (noon) and 26 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE II ATTACK OF THE CLONES: Now a young Jedi apprentice, Anakin Skywalker falls in love with the queen he is assigned to protect, as sinister forces enact a plan to control the galaxy. Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee star in this action-packed episode, debuting FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at 2:20 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (4:10 p.m.), 12 (6:00 a.m., 8:00 p.m.), 16 (7:30 p.m.), 24 (noon) and 27 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE III REVENGE OF THE SITH: Torn between the woman he loves and the seductive nature of the dark side of the Force, Anakin completes his transition into the evil Darth Vader as he faces off against his former mentor and best friend. The final installment of the prequels stars Ewan McGregor, Natalie Portman, Hayden Christensen, Ian McDiarmid, Samuel L. Jackson and Christopher Lee. Debuts FRIDAY, NOV. 10 at 4:45 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 11 (6:35 p.m.), 12 (8:30 a.m., 10:30 p.m.), 16 (10:00 p.m.), 25 (noon) and 28 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE: Winner of six Oscars(r), this spectacular adventure traces the evolution of young Luke Skywalker as he leaves his home planet to ally with fellow rebels and save the beautiful Princess Leia from the evil Darth Vader. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Peter Cushing and Alec Guinness star in the breathtaking journey. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 7:10 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (11:00 a.m., 12:50 a.m.), 17 (5:45 p.m.), 20 (noon) and 29 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE V THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: In this classic installment, Luke Skywalker seeks his destiny as a Jedi knight while evil Darth Vader strikes back against his comrades in the battle to save the galaxy. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams star in the action spectacular. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 9:20 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (1:10 p.m., 3:00 a.m.), 17 (7:50 p.m.), 21 (noon) and 30 (10:00 p.m.).
STAR WARS: EPISODE VI RETURN OF THE JEDI: Luke Skywalker and his fellow rebels reunite to combat a powerful new Death Star in the action-packed climax to the entire saga. Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher and Billy Dee Williams also star in the Oscar(r)-winning sci-fi adventure. Debuts SATURDAY, NOV. 11 at 11:30 a.m. on CINEMAX.
Other CINEMAX playdates: Nov. 12 (3:20 p.m., 5:10 a.m.), 17 (10:00 p.m.) and 22 (noon).
Art for these films can be found on the HBO Media Relations website at homeboxoffice.com, in the "Breaking News" section.
CINEMAX is a registered trademark of Home Box Office, Inc.
(c) Lucasfilm Ltd & TM. All Rights Reserved
Academy Award(r) and Oscar(r) are registered trademarks and service marks of the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences.
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...I'd be standing in line at Cine Capri in Phoenix, faking a heatstroke to get to the front of the line and thus shade. All six movies--this could be grand in HD!
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Of course, I don't have HD. Or Cinemax.
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I could jerk off to that.
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But there HD suxs. It shows films letterboxed. wtf? When the SW movies air on Cinemax all weekend in HD. They won't be letterboxed. They'll fill the whole screen and the quality improves significantly. Can't wait!
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a weekend long marathon of Emmanuelle in Space on Skinemax HD.Krista Allen, hottest chick in the galaxy.
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If they show them in OAR then there will still be some bars present as they were shot in 2.35:1 and only movies in 1.85:1 will fill your entire screen.
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It's a family legend that I indeed faked (at least mostly) a heatstroke in order to get my family to the front of the HUGE line at Cine Capri in Phoenix. It was over 100 outside and there was zero shade. So I started acting like I was going faint and we went up to the front of the line where there was shade. This usher kid comes out and squeaks something like, "You folks will have to get back in line" and my dad, who is a high school coach, snapped into coach-voice mode and barked, "THIS KID'S HAVING HEATSTROKE! YOU WANT AN AMBULANCE HERE, CREATING A BIG SCENE?!" and then magically the doors opened and we blended into the front of the line. Ah, I should've been an actor...
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Can you explain your reasons for watching in that order?
Just wondering about the method behind the madness.
Oh, and I totally agree Shermdawg!
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Why is it that Linda Blair has been able to keep it together, but Carrie Fisher unfortunately hasn't?Her appearance on Smallville last season? Frightening.
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the Star Wars series. We should be getting some news soon regarding it, since it's supposed to debut in early '08. (It's still set for '08 ain't it?)
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Agreed. I've tried to justify how watching them in that order would in any way improve the prequels, or make little orphan annie at all tolerable, and this is the best I can come up with: It's like the "real" story is 4-6, and 1-3 are just the most protracted, convoluted, overly-detailed flashback EVER. You could even frame the whole thing with some Vader narration. Start after he tells Luke he's his father, and then says something like "search your feelings, you know it to be true..." But then, instead of Luke wailing like a little girl and falling down the wind tunnel or whatever the fuck it was, he just hangs there by his one hand while Vader goes into the worst Bond Villain Monologue of all time, explaining his whole life story and motivations behind everything he has ever done. As he comes to a close, and relays to a handless Luke that his mother died, medically speaking, of a broken heart, that's when Luke screams like a sissy and lets go. From there on out, it's Ewok-y goodness and Revisionist Anakin's Ghost for all! Or maybe that's not what Herc meant at all, and that's just his order of preference.
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before. So you don't know who Vader is until you watch Sith, and you don't spoil the shocker in Empire, and then you don't really know what becomes of him till Jedi.
I think that unless Lucas releases a box set on blueray that contains ANH remastered from the original film to HD, the Empire Special Edition without the scream remasterd to HD, Jedi with the original Ewok celebration, but without Shaw as Anakin in HD, The Phantom Edit in HD, the IMAX version of Attack of the Clones, with the raid on the Federation ship newly completed in HD, and then ROTS with the NOOOOOO! scream edited out in HD, and the Christmas special remastered with new scenes from Bea Arthor added, then it is safe to say that Lucas has raped all of our childhoods. -
Sounds interesting. If the two crappy ones get buried between the four good ones, will I really notice? Hmmmm..... Or I could just skip Episode I and II and just go 4, 5, 3, 6.
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at the idea of Vader narrating the entire prequel trilogy to Luke towards the end of Empire. I would particularly enjoy him saying "Now, I didn't actually see this part, but I imagine it went like this..." when the Darth Maul duel starts.
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There's the (an) article about the order to watch them in.
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I'm going to bed...
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If you're going to fuck around with the chronology, watch them I, IV, II, V, III, VI. Herc's way abandons Han, Luke, and Leia for too long.
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"But there HD suxs. It shows films letterboxed. wtf? When the SW movies air on Cinemax all weekend in HD. They won't be letterboxed. They'll fill the whole screen and the quality improves significantly. Can't wait!"
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when a New Hope starts.
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The best lightsaber battle, that is. You have to admit that. I rate my favs in this order, just because of the saber battles: I, V, VI, III, II, IV. Yes. A New Hope's battle sucked.
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TPM was a great movie.... i fail to understand why so many people still cannot understand that, even after AOTC and ROTS highlighted why TPM was so great.
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/30662?tonight__dont_forget__brcinemax_is_first_to_provide_font_colorblueall_six_star_wars_movies
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I saw Attack of the Clones & Revenge of the Sith when it was presented in HD on HBO and they both filled the entire screen.
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Too many interuptions, with some goofy toddler piloting a starship and CGI mania. Give me the duel for 10 minutes straight!
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Yes, I also enjoy him relating it like a nice uncle, you know, fondly reminiscing, chuckling here and there at the wacky hijinks of his youth. As we fade in from the infamous "rolling in the meadow with space cows" scene from AOTC: "Heh, heh. I didn't know it then, but that innocent conversation in the meadow about dictatorships would someday come back to really bite me in the ass."
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Ray Park was sensational. Jar Jar was intolerable, however. As for little Ani, meh. I think TPM is somewhat underrated. Visually, it's spectacular. The set design, costumes, and even the cgi were top-notch. The film is approaching a decade old, and has held up fairly well.
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Then they chopped them as both were 2.35:1 OAR
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Star Wars was simply the stuff? I mean pre Phantom Menace. While Jedi was considerably less than A New Hope and Empire, (1) it still contained excellent stuff- see Luke/ Vader dynamic, final space battle, etc. and (2) we had no idea its shortcomings were a sign of things to come. But anyways, remember pre Phantom Menace times? You didn't have to defend Star Wars cuz everyone knew it was the stuff. Just think how far the name has fallen and how much George screwed everything up. Personally, I thought Clones was a big rebound from Phantom, but still far from great. Sith I thought was excellent and even better than Jedi. But still, by that point the series had lost all respect. All that A New Hope and Empire and Jedi gained and help set up was rolled down by The Phantom Menace, a pathetic and sad movie. Luca$ arrogance, hubris, and overall piss poor attitude compounded everything bad. Wow. How sad. For me, the series is 3-6. And on some days I'll even watch Clones. But Episode I is dead to me.
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Other than Yoda fighting, they were all letdowns. Anikin should have turned in the 2nd one, and we should of had Darth Vader in full gear by the last one. He put in all of the little kid aspects just to sell toys. Everything he does is just to make money. Then he thinks he is the shit and nixes the 4th Indy because he didn't like the script, when everyone else involved did. George Lucas sucks.
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Start off with Episode I (a little intro to the universe), follow up with Episode IV, V, back to back. After Empire, pop in Episode III to kinda do a Godfather 2 flashback, then end with simply showing the redemption movie, Jedi. Scrap Episode II completely, cause if you think about it in the scheme of the family, it really doesn't need to be in there.
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I don't know why I remembered them that way. But the black bars are smaller, not as fat as ondemand has them, making the picture thinner. I'm watching TPM right now. Damn, I never liked the film quality of this movie, often time the picture looks soft and grainy, but In HD. It's much improved. more vibirant and sharp.
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Probably not, but will find out in about 40 minutes.
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It's my home. my universe. i grew up in it. Even the bad parts of your neighborhood are home to. The places, the sounds, even if the people in the neighborhood aren't so great.
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I like I, II, IV, V, III, VI. Somewhat better chronology, and if you have to deal with midichlorians dispelling your mystic notions of the force, I'd rather have it upfront than midway through. Though, I suppose the surprise with Yoda would be better preserved the other way... hmm.
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Took me a while to figure out, but it makes sense. Just imagine the LOST flashback noise right before Ep I starts, and again after Ep III ends. Then it makes sense. And then watch a polar bear kick the shit out of whiny Anakin.
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It's a guy wearing a wampa arm glove when it chokes the tauntaun. you can see some of his arm in the very far left of the screen. That always takes me outta the movie. you mean wampa's aren't real?
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Sure I hated "Annie", Jar-Jar, and super lucky Obi, but Maul was the coolest Sith. I wanted a Qui-Gonn ghost.
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Have years of reality TV rotted your brain Herc? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. It's a fucking story and as such should be watched in numerical order.
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I had forgotten how long, boring, cheasy, and pointless the pod race scene is. Damn, it's bad.
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If you watch them I-VI, then:
i. Palpatine will inexplicably go missing for almost two whole films
ii. The fact that Luke and Leia are related - not revealed until VI - will be spoiled
iii. The biggest "twist" in cinema history (arguably) will be completely negated two whole films before it even happens
iv. The reveal of Yoda's identity is ruined.
It's not "a fucking story", it's "a fucking story" with three redundant, boring, contradictory, badly-made films latched on to it. Herc's order works as well as can be expected. -
with HD I'm noticing things in the backgrounds I never noticed before. Lil droids runnuing around, tiny aliens carrying things. I put the TPM DVD on to compare. The picture quality next to HD is just awful! TPM HD I'm noticing every little scuff and scratch mark on each pod racer. The clarity is just amazing. It's interesting how our eyes can get used to certain visuals and think they're something amazing and then your eyes see something even clearer and you realize you've been watching shit quality.
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Apparently no motivation? Wake up Qui-Gonn! I know Jedi are supposed to be calm and collective. adventure, excitement? a jedi craves not these things, all that stuff, but come on. If Jedi were like this in their hey day. must a been a boring galaxy. they must be a hoot at the dinner table. sad to because Qui-Gonn is likeable, but he doesn't embrace the audience. he just kinda goes around saying things. when he fights though. he wakes up and gets badass. i remember my sister though fell asleep during TPM lol.
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I gave up right after Annie won the pod race. I tried. I really did. I hadn't seen it since it was first released, and I was hoping to give it a "clean slate" viewing, i.e. if I had never seen Star Wars before. Suffice to say that if this was my first exposure to Star Wars, my fandom would have ended right there. Of course TPM is an amateurish and silly film. We all know that. But I had forgotten that it's also a BORING film. Lucas wrote a clunky, ponderous script and gave it flat direction. The material is presented in such a heavy-handed way that I had to practically force myself to watch (even Jabba fell asleep during the pod race - I missed that gag the first time around). Lucas was so much more interested in showcasing all of the CGI (which now looks videogame-like seven years later) than giving his actors anything interesting to do or say.
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1) Star Wars 2) The Empire Strikes Back 3) Return of the Jedi
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That way there's no spoilers, and no crappy revisions of the OT. Sadly, Jar-Jar must remain in 1-3. (and I'm sure he's just as annoying in HD)
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Those are canon. the rest: books, prequels, comics, cartoons, are just fucking extended universe, not part of what the creative minds thought up in the 70s to early 80s.
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worst thing ive ever seen in my life...couldnt stand the fat kid who thought he was a fucking comedian...not even Troma would give you guys the time of day...and we're bot impressed that your fat ass sister was in your film...didnt fool us...we've seen women before, trust me, and that herm wasnt one to be proud of...fuck off...now will some admin ban this fucking loser asshole?
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love Star Wars...2 count em, TWO Boba Fett Tatts ;) haha....god im a nerd
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It's a shame so many people missed the subtext of this Star Wars prequel trilogy. These films are about how Star Wars ruined George Lucas's life, and his guilt over ruining the lives of others. The jedi killed in the order 66? Those are the 70s film makers killed by the release of the original Star Wars. The younglings murdered by Mr Lucas's alter ego, Anakin Skywalker? Those are the countless children brainwashed by Star Wars during childhood. The suit in which Anakin becomes imprisoned is an obvious metaphor for George Lucas's imprisonment in the Star Wars phenomenon. There is even a deleted scene showing Darth Sidious making the Vader suit out of melted down action figures (possibly). Let's face it, this prequel trilogy is a six and a half hour cry for help. I believe that all of us, as fans, can help to save Mr Lucas. We can do this by not watching these HD Star Wars films. Also, come christmas time, by not buying anything made of plastic that looks like Star Wars or has Star Wars written on it. We can do it. We can throw the emperor down the shaft. Do it for George.
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its signal to reduce bandwidth. How bad does this effect look in HD?
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...that might just be a stroke of genius. It never occurred to me before to watch them in that order but it makes sense. I must check this out immediately.
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It's amazing how great Empire Strikes Back is, and how terrible the new movies are. The dialog, the action, the plot just doesn't compare to any of the new films.
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yeah...first comment was aimed at you...guess i didnt want you to utter your name...fucker
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Though my input would be to time it so that Luke starts screaming and jumps as Darth Vader explains the opening crawl from Episode I.
"You see Luke, the taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems was in dispute..."
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It's so funny watching it 1-6. It totally loses steam and it's mythos by the time you get to New Hope. Everything is laid out for you... Father, son, incest... it's already done with by the time the scroll starts in 4. So the key is to watch 4 (with one little tweak to 4. Edit back in the shitty SD version of Han blowing away Gredo... that's character man) and 5 then if your a super duper geeko record Ep's 1-3 and reedit as the flash back after empire. As Mr. Vinceklortho mentioned. Take episode 1's finding of Ani. Forget all the politico BS and the space version of the Boston Tea Party. All you need to know is Palpatine wants more power. It just needs to be about Quigon and Obi dealing with this youngling. Keep the battle with Maul. Cut out the space battle.Who needs Death Star trench lite? Besides you'll get that in 6. End with the death of Quigon and Obi's realization he's stuck with the youngling. Cut to Ep's 2 scene in the elevator with Ani and Obi. Throw out a crapload again. You don't need all the mumbo jumbo drama between Ani and Amidala. You'll get that in Ep 3 when he leaves her ass. How can you leave Nippy Natalie from Ep 2? Anyways keep the intro of Dooku and the saber Battle with Yoda. Keep the clone march ending even though it reminds me of the one sheet for Battle Field Earth.
In Ep 3 cut out "Nooooo"! Somehow re-edit it so the Jedi's don't look like idiots. Cut out the "High ground" line... cause if I was a Jedi I'd just carry around a friggen latter. Then finally just keep the shot on Darth in his ship... fade out. You' got one lean friggen Jedi film. The drama is now set for Ep 6. Darth is Lukes father. Jedi's f'd up. they have fled and faded... or have they. There is still another...
Begin "Yub Yub" movie. Except cut the added Muppet dance sequence.
That's the deal. This was WAY to long so it will probably go unread... oh well. Had to throw it out here in good ol's cyberspace. Of course none of this matters when you got the Seven Samurai to always fall back on.
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Ep's 1-3 should be smack dab in the middle of Lukes fall into the trash chute. The whole Flashback as Darth is reaching out and you hear Luke scream in the background looped... oldschool style. Or maybe the should just have floating heads and images of Eps 1-3 around look as he falls. You know, like Wizard of Oz style. Then when Luke is back in the Falcon he could say "I had the wierdest dream". Boom. 1-3 never friggen happened.
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shows movies in 1:85:1 aspect ratio, even films that were originally shot in 2:35:1 (like Collateral). It's weird, and the commercials are showing everything for SW in
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A New Hope, Empire, Clones, The Clone Wars Cartoons, Sith, Jedi. Skip that Phantom bullshit completely. Tried watching it last night and I almost shot a hole through the TV set, Elvis style.
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New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Radioland Murders, Howard The Duck, Last Days, eating dookie then Ep's 1-3. I never post. Now I've posted too much. I just love Star Wars Original... nothing, NOTHING can ever remove the greatness. Not even prequels.
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I'm tired of Star Wars. The visual atrocities Lucas inflicted on everyone with the prequels made me sick. The fact he's trying to get even more mileage out of his atrocities in HD makes me even sicker. Lucas is a boring, old white man who writes boring, old white man stories. He's a hack who got lucky with his first movie in 1977. Since then he's reverted to boring, old white man who thinks he's telling a story Joseph Campbell would appreciate, when the truth is he's a scared -- and now fat -- old white man with nothing to say. You suck, George. F you.
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oh yes
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Big Fucking Deal. Here's my order...Star Wars, Empire, Jedi. End of line.
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New Hope, Empire, Phantom Menace, Clones, Sith, Jedi (until sail barge sequence), freeze frame on Slave Leia for 2 and a half minutes, Rest of Jedi.
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oh yes
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Although my order would probably be IV and V. The End.
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If you don't like Lucas, then GUESS WHAT!!! You don't like Star Wars. It's HIS movie. HIS story. HIS vision. HIS production. If you don't like it, get the fuck out of the audience and leave the rest of us in peace. We get it. George Lucas raped your childhood, blah blah blah. Really, the bashing is getting old and annoying now. If you're not happy with what you're watching, then DON'T WATCH IT. Instead, you watch it and then get online to bitch bitch bitch moan moan moan. You're pathetic.
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It was ALWAYS a hereditary trait to be able to sense and use the Force. ALWAYS. From Episode IV onward, it's always been about Luke INHERITING the ability. HOW he got the trait in his genes shouldn't wreck what the Force actually IS. So what if it's midichlorians? What's in a name? We ALWAYS KNEW Luke had some **GENETIC** trait that made him capable of using the Force, and assigning a name to this trait underlines how bureaucratic and out-of-touch the Jedi Council has become; They're focused on midichlorian counts rather than practical application and emotional stability. If anything, midichlorians REINFORCE the mystic ideals mentioned by Obi-Wan in episode IV, because it shows a return to not worrying about the HOW of the Force, and just trusting that it's there, and that is reflected in how Yoda teaches Luke; He doesn't process him like he did the students at the Jedi Temple. He focuses on FEELING, not technical aspects. --- I think some of you just watch with lazy brains and don't bother to think anything through. It's all there if you bother applying your imagination and deductive skills.
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In a wide or square aspect ratio.
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Midichlorians are lame. By forcing them into the story, the audience is forced to accept an idea that they could have justified in their own minds (one that perhaps seemed less ridiculous). What was the purpose of them anyway? They couldn't just sense Anakin was strong, they needed something that could put on a pie graph? Laaaame. It coulda been the will of the force that the Skywalkers were so strong, or whatever method the audience wished to justify it. No one ever had a problem with it until that silly explanation came about, so why bother defending it? It shouldn't have been there.
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In retrospect midichlorians were thought be be a contrived plot device in EP1 to explain Anakins conceptions. It was until Ep3 with Palpatines speech on Darth Plagius was it explained how the midichlorians could have been coaxed into creating life. Did Shmi have a high concentration to midichlorians to start off with? Unknown. One thing was certain that Anakins elevated count was a result and/or byproduct of this form of conception. From the novelization of ROTS, it was told that the Sith were well aware of the Jedi Prophesy and their teachings (Even in the movie, Palpatine said that the Sith had a more well rounded view of the Force, not the Dogmatic teachings of the Jedi). If the Sith were aware of the elevated midichlorian count as a byproduct of this form of conception, then they were fully aware that they tailor made someone who would not only fulful the Jedi Prophecy, but who would also serve their purposes. I need a better way of previewing thes posts :)
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This would only reinforce the concept of the Force being inherited. The only odd thing is that Anakin appears to be the first of his line due to his "forced" conception since we know nothing of Shmi's side of the family. It seems that the accusations of "Sith Rape" from years ago were true, from a certain point of view
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Lucas didn't write or direct Empire. That's why it's so good compared to the rest. Kersh FTW!!!
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so I don't subscribe. When they were showing Episode III on HBO HD a few months back, it was correct aspect and pretty good looking. At least as good as a great dvd playback system. It was tough to tell whether it was substantially better, but some sets might show it better.
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Since there don't seem to be any Jedi or even people who know what the Force is much less believe in it during Star Wars (1977), the idea to make it biologically based is incredibly dumb. If it's a biological fact how can people not believe? The Force was mystical, as it should be, in the Original Trilogy. God the prequels suck.
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For those not watching it in HD or at all. Here's some pixs I took of TPM off my HDTV. Of course it won't do it justice, but just to give an idea. Darth Maul especially, looks too sharp. So much in fact that the makeup stands out more.
http://tinyurl.com/yaskvm
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Day Bombad. And if you understood that, you have no life.
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Ummmm, that's like saying a book that's printed using Arial is horrible, but printed using Times New Roman it's tolerable.
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http://darthno.ytmnd.com/
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The OT looks great in HD, but the prequels look astounding. I'd buy a six-pack HD-DVD boxset in a heartbeat. Hell, I might even buy a player after that. Heil Lucas!
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I've ever seen on TV. About even with EPIII, but there's something about certain scenes in EPII. Especially the daylight scenes on tatoonie. the movie just pops and the cruscant chase is a mindblower.
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Episode III is on now, probably for you too. must be an eastern person like me
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SPOILERS!!
... was the PUSSY-ASS way it resolved the love triangle set up in IV and V.
Leia lays that big long lingering kiss on sick-bay Luke right in front of Han, then later comes the "I love you"/"I know." (One of the best pieces of dialogue in the history of history, if you were to ask me.)
JEDI could have been SO much more interesting if they actually had to RESOLVE that very key set of relationships. There would be some real conflict left among the heroes and maybe Leia's feelings for Han would have given Luke a real reason to consider a run at the Dark Side. But no. Instead we get the total bullshit news that Luke and Leia are sibs.
(Also, the fact that Leia turned out to be the "another" Yoda mentioned in "Empire" is the second biggest betrayal of "Jedi." The things they could have done with that little plot thread!!)
Also also? I thought the Ewoks boring and found little fun in Luke just telling Vader over and over again that he didn't want to come to the Dark Side.
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I'm glad you're being friendly and not trying to continue our little spat. That's cool of you. We're friends now. I have a 53 inch Panasonic PT-53XD64 widescreen @ 1080i. I use it mainly for Movies, TV shows and special events. The HD picture quality is amazing to say the least. I recommend it to anyone who wants to buy an affordable rear projection screen HDTV.
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Yeah, it's the best of the 3 prequels, but hayden's acting is still pretty painful. The best actors of the prequels were Ewan and the great Christopher Lee. He takes it to another level. Frank Oz as Yoda too and mcdiarmid as the Emperor. The rest pretty much blow chunks
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This is the first time I've seen the prequels in a row in order. All together my memories still fresh of the first movie and It makes me reflect. How did it get to this? I got choked up when they killed all the Jedi and Williams music is so good.
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He was beyond arrogant.
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I wouldn't get an LCD. They don't look that good. Plasmas can look good depending on which one you buy. Some like the JVC plasmas look too pixelated IMO. I still think rear projection delivers the best picture.
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The special effects draw more attention to themselves
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"So this is how Liberty dies, with thunderous applause"
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I keep treating talkback like a chatroom. leaving quick messages, hehe.
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Also word of mouth. It's all over the Galaxy about Vader and the Empire
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when obi and anakin run up that falling column as it falls. one year to plan and shoot that scene. money shot! money shot! money shot! awesome!
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'don't try it! i have the high ground' they've made fun of that line on shows like robot chicken. if you have the high ground you can't lose hehe
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There ya half it folks
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There ya have it folks
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I clicked post comment and realized i typed half. i stopped it in midflight, but it was too late.
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Here's what I would have done. when Anakin choked her he popped some blood vessels and she has internal bleeding around the neck. add some bruising. there ya go. more realistic than dying of a broken heart lol
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oh no vaders gonna say NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! to your ears
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It sounds awesome. I used to switch the movie to spanish dub when it got to that scene.
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then two droids come and hold a rope and he can do the double dutch. go vader! go vader! go vader!
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I must admit, I liked the "Nooooo"... didn't sound cheesy to me at all (no, this is not sarcasm. I'm being serious. I'm the only one on the planet that thought it was good.) Padme's death was total ass. WHy Lucas didn't have Anakin (or even Palpatine, or an accidental death) outright kill her I don't know.
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omg look its the blockade runner! C3PO & R2DO. They're still around. This is amazing. WTF the clonetroopers look different and more realistic. Oh its guys in costumes. interesting. Dude everybody looks so freakin old!
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You know its SE as soon as the movie starts. more modern looking 20TH century logo and the new Lucasfilm logo.
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That means Hayden ghost at the end of ROTJ, blah!
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When the Jawas arrive at the lars farm. Keep looking at the Sandcrawler. They added CGI
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Obi-Wan tells Luke what he assumes, knowing Anakin. What Anakin wanted for his son. Obi-Wan may have approched Owen a few times and asked him if he would allow Luke to have the saber as a gift. Something to remember his father by, but Owen wouldn't allow him. We can assume Obi-Wan and Owen have met several times whether in mos eisley or just random meetings. Owen doesn't like Obi-Wan. Obviously because he knows who Obi-Wan was.
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Because the Sandcrawler was only built to scale from the tracks up. in the original version. sometimes you can see that the sandcrawler doesn't continue. also when the jawa walks towards the homestead to confront owen. a CGI sandcrawler added. you can see it to your right. only a little bit of it is seen.
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These are things I makeup in my head to appease myself.
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I noticed it now in HD. It's just standing there in the corner. weird.
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could have been avoided. right before han is about to go behind jabba. cut to a closeup of jabba as if he's looking behind, meanwhile hans dialogue is still heard, but gets a little fainter. now hans on the other side. he walked around jabba. simple. han stepping on the tail just looks plain awful!
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Which brings me to the problem with Lucas & CGI. CGI is an everevolving tool. so in 10 years lucas will use even more modern CGI to enhance his movies yet again? When does it end? phoenixmagi you don't own the SW DVDs?
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http://tinyurl.com/yn3gx5
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Your suggestionn of how Jedi could have been better-the idea of another Jedi out there who could challenge the Empire would have been perfect fuel for 7-9, if you ask me. I thought the resolution was too pat, that Lucas was getting tired of doing them or despairing over the technology not being good enough, but hey, he could have had revisions upon revisions on the matter. He stretched a story that could, could have taken 1 good movie to do instead of 3 and as far as the future of Star Wars films, whose to say other factions won't rise up to challenge this new Republic.
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http://tinyurl.com/yjsqfn
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But it got repainted or junkier right?
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to rob a bank and go buy an HDTV while talking on my cell placing an order for Cinemax?
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Yummy
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I can't bring myself to read EU stuff, but you people are tempting me. I would appreaciate it if someone explained it to me, and then told me it sucks so I don't have to read it. Thank you.
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Piece of crap.
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I don't know why, but I love the whole time Obi-Wan detective is on Kamino, but especially the part where he and Jango say nice things to eachother while they're both really thinking about killing eachother. I like that scene better than the actual fight between them...
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So begining of Clones in French, end of Sith in Spanish. Anything else?
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should have just walked around Jabba normally (on the ground). From what we see in that close-up, Jabba could have swung his whole tail around to the other side. This is what comes from being so hung up on that old footage. Also, Han didn't shoot 'first', Greedo didn't shoot at all, cause he was dead!
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Nuts to that! Spend a chunk of the last Star wars on a love triangle? Gee, I've never seen one of those in a movie. And the "other" is some cool new character we never met before, like Poochie? Fuck that too. Jedi '83 rules.
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If the goal was to 'hide' Luke from Vader and Palpatine, wouldn't somebody have thought to...oh...I dunno...change his name? Bail Organa appears to have been the only one with half a piston firing.
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I'm glad he didn't change his name.
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The acting is particularly good. even the actor playing young boba. yeah the whole obi playing detective is fun.
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What a dumbass change. Sebastian Forever!
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Anybody know how those most recent OT DVDs sold? I'm curious to see if my boycotting efforts worked any.
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alsways leia to me. That's why she could hear him through the force in esb. I don't know where all this other stuff about her not being his sister is coming from. Even though with the incest kiss it definitely looks completely wrong, there was that little force link up they did.
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dude what are you saying with all this luke getting the girl stuff? Leia was han's the moment he was dumped in the carbon freeze chamber.
That's the bottom line.
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There's an HD rip of ROTS on mininova but it's kind of fucked up. Hopefully someone can do rips of all these films so I can enjoy them on my LCD monitor.
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Just a way for Leia to make Han jealous and Luke obviously was in on it too. You can tell by the way he's hamming it up after Leia leaves and Han is staring in disbelief. Though I do think the way they handled the reveal felt a little rushed.
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I never got the big deal here. Before they swing over to the next platform, she pecks him and says it's for luck. Pretty darn harmless. I don't have any siblings yet I can't imagine this being out of the ordinary when you have a squad of troopers running after you with blasters. Where's the incest?
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These were shown in HD format in that skewed fucking order on Sky Movies in the UK on consecutive Saturdays throughout the late summer and early fall. This may well be the first time they've been shown in a single marathon...but NOT the first time in HD !!!
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I dont. Let these movies go into history. The worlds moved on since then. Plus, lets face it, there are only 2 classics, 2 average, and 2 poor movies. Sure it was important in 1970's!!! Hello 25 years later now. Let history have them so Lucas can stop pimping his ass. Surely the man has enough money from them now. Put them away and rejoice for the new trilogy for the 21st century. One trilogy to rule them all!!!
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Needed a good scriptwriter and editor. It's annoying as the production values are first rate but just need a good script to support them. What Lucas should do is 1: Re-dub the movie, Neeson, Portman and McGregor all sound drugged. 2: Revoice Jar Jar with an alien language and add English subtitles. 3: Tighten up running time to around 120 mins. Hmm, might even try those things myself!
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it wasn't going to be that way originally, according to (i think) gary kurtz. they were going to introduce a new character as luke's sister that had been hidden away. but it proved to be too much. the solution (making leia the sister) is pretty stupid. also, lucas never had han solo dying, it was harrison for and gary kurtz that wanted it only. the problem with that idea is they go to all this trouble to save his ass, then he's gonna die? kind of lame.
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You guys are aware that Robot Chicken already did this?
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Nov 12, 2006 1:48:40 PM CST
Star Wars and Empire are the only two movies that exist
by billyeveryteen
Everything else is an abomination.
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Siblings or not, that just kills Empire. I also agree it makes no sense to save and then kill Han at the end of Jedi. Why end the series on such a bummer? Having the OT trilogy just be about Luke vs Vader and having the Luke vs Emperor showdown for another trilogy might have been interesting though.
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All of this complaining about Lucas is pathetic. If you can do better, then do so.
Do something, Go to film school. Take out a loan to create a sci-fi epic, using original characters that YOU created.
I challenge all of you losers to create just one item equal in coolness to a Light Saber.
If you dont like the fact that Lucas made a ton of money from HIS creation, then consider that he as a producer put a product out on the market that YOU as a consumer are accepting.
For those that are so quick to denigrate GL, consider that Microsoft, armed with a good script, does not have the balls to spend their own money, to create Halo, the movie. Lucas did. -
this information is according to an interview with gary kurtz ... i did read the annoted screenplays though, such as they are. maybe it was the original idea that han died, but if so it was abandoned early by lucas then lobbied for by harrison ford in particular. the stuff about introducing another character is from the kurtz's mouth. maybe he's a lying sack of shit though. the interview's online, somewhere.
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available in the Mustifar system... Once you figure out how to build one, it probably wouldn't be that hard to build a second one. They've got all the molds and specs now, just make sure to put the bullseye inside of the space station instead of outside, and build a jedi temple on the surface, because you want your most important guy to be in the spot easiest to destroy if the shields go down. The second one wasn't really complete by Jedi, it was mostly a big gun with a bit of a shell around it for looks, and they just bearly got the gun working in time. The gun was probably the hardest thing to make, and they always planned to have more than one Death Star, so if they built the guns concurrently... It probably helps that they have super star destroyers to lug all the parts around by Empire too.
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Was anyone else reminded of Seinfeld when the Jedi & Sith keep calling eachother Maestro?
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The fact is that Star Wars is basically a place where you can create almost anything and it would just fit in. In the TOlkien universe, there are stories but they are not as nor could never be as diverse as SW. The Matrix was great but I think the way they ended it and the fact no one cared basically killed it. Star Trek just went the wrong way for too long and I think the fact that they're trying to reboot it is gonne destroy the fanbase even more. And on top of that, Star Wars just has a lot more going for it than any other movie franchise. You gotta be a fuckin' idiot if you never wanted to wield a lightsaber or dreamt about being a Jedi. Religion indeed.
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Okay i've been up since midnight friday morning. i've been watchining cinemax nonestop. j/k lol
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TPM now deserves much more praise because at the time we were unaware of the horrors that would follow with the terrible AOTC and ROTS. TPM feels like a Star Wars movie. It has Ian McDiarmid's best performance. The pod race is a spectacular effects sequence. Palpatine's rise is done well ONLY HERE, you get chills on a few occasions knowing what he's planning and what he becomes. By the time of ROTS Lucas had thrown the good ideas out and just went 'to hell with it'. TPM just needs some editing work and effects enhancements and it's perfect. AOTC is an unsaveable mess. ROTS was ruined by the terrible Palps change scene and Anakin's turn happens in like a second and the biggest plot flaw is that he would have cut down Sidious immediately after Mace was killed and ruled himself right then.
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say what you want about the ethics or what have you, but the phantom edit greatly improves TPM without sacrificing much intent. you still have jar-jar but not as annoying. best example: when he gets shocked and starts talking like mushmouth. by cutting off a few seconds, the irritation factor is pretty much erased. it's not perfect, but then again neither is TPM. if you don't have this, get it - it's really worth it.
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I have been catching good chunks of the films in between football and NASCAR, but I gotta say that TPM isn't all that bad. Most of the comments above are correct in pointing out whats right, but I think an added enchancement is the location shooting. II and III felt so lifeless at times, and II in particular has so many awkward close-up green screened shots that it throws the entire film off. TPM looks and feels like a real movie, and you can appreciate the fact that Lucas wanted to convey a sense of innocence to the pre-Empire days. Sure, Jar-Jar is annoying and the kid could have done a better job, but TPM is not so bad. III is good, not great, but I will say that now that the films are done, II ranks as the biggest disappointment of the series. So much potential, but a borderline waste of film.
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Look, this debate is getting ugly, what we need to do is talk about our COMMONALITIES, such as our love of Lord of the Rings. We all know it's the greatest trilogy ever made, better than Star Wars, as I'm sure every single one of you will agree. So, for the sake of civilised discussion, let's talk LOTR, and how George Lucas ripped off the JRR Tolkien to begin with. There, civilised debate at last!
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It's the only SW Film where you see Jedi in a ground war. Something I always wanted to see. IMO AOTC has the most impressive special effects of the 3 SW Prequels
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Like Lucas tried to cram three movies into one.
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The only time I've really heard Speilberg talk about Indy 4 is where he tells us how great it will be because Indy says "Its not the mileage, its the years", which is fucking horrible. If that is even the slightest reflection of the dialog in the movie, then thank goodness Lucas has been a roadblock to its production. Or maybe you're still trusting Harrison Ford to pick good scripts? Then after that, your trusting his ability to perform? Even if it is for all the wrong reasons, I hope Lucas prevents Indy 4 from being made.
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I was in and out with the SW marathon this weekend. The whole time I was trying to imagine someone never having seen SW watching these films in order. Yes, it's true that doing so would ruin whatever surprises the OT once held. But what also bothers me is that Lucas has created two sets of films that are visually and tonally inconsistent. So that means the viewer would get hooked on the louder, dumber, CGI films first. By the time he got to the OT, the viewer would notice the different feel and mistakenly pine for the excesses of the prequels. It's a long way of saying I'll NEVER show the prequels to my son (4 months), certainly not before the OT.
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.. but I think seeing episodes 1 2 and 3 once was enough for me. HD or not, who cares... Lucas made billions with these and the Merch that went along with them, I think he should just stop showing them over and over and over... Unless he trashed episode 1 and does it again, minus the Jar Jar Binks... and gets some good storyline in there... plus the whole mediocre acting by Kirsteshencoghesen (whatever his name is) as teenage Skywalker was pitty full to see. I don't know he just seemed too bleek... And how did he just defeat Sam Jackson for crying out loud, for one of the top Jedi to die that easily in a "There I cut you, now push you off.. and you die" sequence, that just felt so... blah... That should have been the first of two big fights for Anakin (second being his defeat to OBi one). How can Jackson say, "Ok, I'll die like a pussy without a real fight against the kid"? Now I mean, he could've gone all out against him, making Anakin weak from the battle and thus loosing the second round to Obi One. I mean being able to beat so many without a real threat proves how powerful Anakin is, but how much does this say about Obi one? Obi One must've been "the one" if he was able to beat Anakin, when Ani was able to beat everyone within 30 seconds.
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This is the time/era of PJ's middle earth opus. Yet, it is still the seminal 70s/80s sci-fi offering that casts a shadow which renders Sauron all but moot. True, the LOTR trilogy has outgrossed the prequel trilogy. The three middle earth films, however, are DWARFED by the OT when adjusted for inflation. The hobbit pic w/ the highest worldwide gross is ROTK w/ an adjusted 1.35 billion worldwide gross. ANH nearly equals that total DOMESTICALLY. Taking it's initial '77 release alone, Hope musters a ridiculous 900 million bitchslapping even a small movie by the name of Titanic, in N.A. receipts. ESB and ROTJ also far outgross King. Heck, even lame-ass TPM (1.27 billion adjusted) nearly matches Aragorn's coronation. Face it, the Lucasfilm product has had a much greater impact. Duh. Doesn't take a genius to understand why subsequant rereleases of THE Trilogy are far more profitable than RING rereleases could ever be. Am I right?! Try a 20th anniversary rerelease of the LOTR Trilogy. I seriously doubt it would gross 800 million in '06 dollars. The Lucasfilm products managed that feat in '97. Okay, so SW kicks LOTR's ass at the box office. Thanx for the scoop. The Jackson films have more Oscars, though. Right?! Yep, alot more. Titanic, Ben-Hur, Gone With the Wind combine for 32 Oscars. Sit through them. I don't know about you, but I'd take The Godfather, ANH, and Citizen Kane with their combined 9 Oscars over them any day of the week. So would most, methinks. Face it, as posted many times in this talkback, Star Wars IS religion. The British census some years back actually had 450,000 entries stating 'jedi' as their religion. Episode IV is the most influential movie in history. Star Wars dominates sci-fi with Trek, Matrix nowhere on the map by comparison. Franchises of LOTR's ilk are rampant nowadays. Narnia, Eragon, Potter all many eventually surpass LOTR at the box office. Potter may even pass 007 if that's possible..... Bottom line though, --no, I repeat NO franchise can surpass Star Wars. Not in impact, box office receipts, commercialization, influence, etc. To use a baseball/hockey analogy--The LOTR Trilogy is the Boston Red Sox(6 titles)/New York Rangers(4 Cups). Star Wars is the New York Yankees(26 titles)/Montreal Canadiens(24 cups). There is only one New York Yankees. There is only one Star Wars. Peace out.
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So I'm watching the marathon with my buddy this wekeend and he tells me something that blows my face off...he likes the movies in the order they came out from worst to best...! You heard me right: New Hope being the worst, Sith being the best. Should I punch his nuts? Is there anyone else out there with this opinion?
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The rest aren't that great. They aren't horrible, they just aren't great. How many webpages before this is realized? I'm not 19 years old. I didn't grow up on these on Video. Theatres, original releases. Star Wars, and then Empire. The rest are just cheezy. Anyone who ranks any of the other ones above Star Wars is a child, and therefore negates their opinion. Wizard of Oz is on this weekend. Anyone want to say Return to Oz is better?
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There are lots and lots of people out there with no taste. You just happen to be friends with one.
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1. Star Wars 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Attack of the Clones 4. The Phantom Menace 5. Return of the Jedi 6. Revenge of the Sith The poster above is right about the location shooting on the prequels, by the time we get around to Sith they are being shot in a box. Anyways, the key thing is we are all here still talking about Star Wars 30 years on. Star Wars is an original cinematic invention, LOTR was based on a brilliant book. I'd much rather read LOTR again than sit through the movies again. Lucas could release another 3 shitty Star Wars movies and we'd still be here talking about how great the saga is. Star Wars inspires passion. And it's got lightsabers and the Millenium Falcon in it too.
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Someone mentioned watching 1)A New Hope 2) Empire 3)Return Of The Jedi... and nothing else. I however suggest then watching 4)Phantom Menace 5)Attack Of The Clones and 6)Revenge Of The Sith... but doing it at George Lucas's ranch, with him tied up like the big he is, while kicking the shit and money right out of him so we can finally pay off all those therapy session for our raped childhood. Then I suggest we rape him. With OUR childhoods. Is anyone reading this?
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As flawed as Jedi might have been, it is Citizen Kane compared to any of the 3 prequels. I feel sorry for the generation brought up thinking CGI video-game sensibility somehow makes a shitty movie "cool". EVERYTHING about the prequels sucked, narratively speaking. They may have looked cool, but SO WHAT? CGI is a tool, not an end in itself. Lucas made these prequels because the CGI was a cool toy for him to play with, and THAT'S ALL. There was barely enough interesting backstory to the OT to merit just ONE prequel, and he managed to stretch it out to three. EMPIRE was a huge leap over WARS in every way, and no small coincidence that the screenwriting and directing chores were handled by somebody else. George Lucas is, by his own admission, NOT an "actor's director", and when you are shooting almost entirely against a green screen what you DEFINITELY need is an "actor's director" -- you need someone who can bring out performances in an acting void, a void where the actors are acting against NOTHING until the CGI elements are added much much later.
No sense in explaining further to the die-hard fans of the prequels -- most of them wouldn't know good storytelling or acting if it bit them in the face.
Worse yet, they can't seem to recognize BAD storytelling or acting.
And no, SITH is not better than Jedi. SITH has just as many inexcusably lame elements in it as TPM and AOTC did. And Vader's "Nooooooooooooooooo!" at the end, possibly the cheesiest and most hack moment in ANY film EVER, is reason enough to toss that film into the trash heap with TPM and CLONES forever. -
--- meant to say that the best thing to happen to the OT was George handing the directing and screenwriting reins to someone else after WARS. Lucas is just not that talented a director or writer. He is too close to the material to have enough objectivity, as the Prequels made painfully clear.
Lucas will die a billionaire, that's for sure. But surely by now he realizes that the ENORMOUS backlash against the prequels and the OT Special Editions is not without merit. He knows that at one time the entire filmgoing public in the world had him on a pedestal because of the OT, but now a VERY vocal majority regard him as a selfish, talentl-wasting hack. All the money in the world cannot undo the damage he has done to his own reputation. If he still has any artistic integrity left at all he will be deservedly hurt by all that. He will go to his grave knowing how far he has fallen. -
For the record, Sith is not better than Jedi. Anyone who thinks it is, is quite probably retarded to the point of being totally dependent on others for the smallest tasks. Oh and Spectre007, Return To Oz was probably the better film in my view - and I love the original Wizard Of Oz.
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I know I'm late to the party, but I have to say this. If the force is genetically transferred from parent to child, how are there new force sensitives when the Jedi are celibate? The Jedi would have eventually died out anyway.
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ROTS was NOT better than ROTJ. The whole dynamic between Luke and Vader alone is better than all of ROTS. Sure, ROTS had it's moments, but most of it was a letdown. My gripes are: Why did they go with the falling down the elevator shaft scene (ridiculous), but cut Grievous killing the circus Jedi (can't remember her name)? It would have added a huge emotional punch to the beginning, and start to give you the feeling that no Jedi was safe. I didn't like the turn of Anakin, it was way too rushed. I understand what was going on in his head, but it wasn't done correctly on screen. Why weren't they playing the Imperial march when Anakin marched into the Jedi temple? Separatist music? For the Jedi purge? One of the biggest crimes of the prequels IMO. Any scene with Portman. Any scene between Portman and Christiansen. Vader's Nooooooo. The fact that they waited until the last ten minutes of the prequels to FINALLY make it resemble the OT. The cut scene of Yoda arriving on Dagobah, it should have been in there. Hayden trying to act like a badass at the end. Many flaws turning a potentially great movie in an ok movie. My problems with ROTJ? The Ewok scenes were definitely boring, but they had to be in the movie. I think the fact that they were cuddly and cute added to the surprise that they were able to help defeat the Empire. That's pretty much it, I don't really have any other issues. I think in the original version, those scenes in Jabba's palace were terrifying and gripping, setting a mood for the film early on. Of course in the SE, that was all shot to shit.
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You have some good points there. It's just that when I watched the OT as a kid, I always thought that it was made very clear that the force ran through families, passed down through generations. If the Jedi are a monk like organization that don't fall in love or marry, there are no families. For example, if the Force runs strong in my family, and my brother and I and two cousins are the only siblings from this generation, if the 4 of us become jedi then that's it, end of family. We may reproduce out of wedlock, but there is no more family to speak of. I just thought this was one of the biggest reversals from the OT to the PT, and was one of many inconsistencies between the two trilogies.
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was Duel of the Fates by John Williams.
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If it hadn't been for that score, even the best films (ANH, ESB) would have seemed fuckin ridiculous. Go watch ANH again. The dialogue was always terrible, the direction medicre with a few sporadic moments of quality. The score really was, more than any other score for any other movie, the glue that held these pictures together. I love these movies but the only one I can rationally consider to be "good" would be Empire.
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exceeded his expectations on the original film. You're right, while ANH is revolutionary and essential for introducing us to the universe, I think it's the cheapest looking and worst acted of the three (with the exception of Alec Guinness). Incidentally, I think the best music of the saga is also from the best film, ESB, with ANH coming in second and Jedi third. Although the Emperor's theme from ROTJ is one of the darkest pieces of music I've ever heard, and one of the best.
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Luke's beautiful moment while looking into the twin suns above his planet is frankly one of the greatest and most classic moments in any film, period.
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too much focus on CGI crap and not enough on the characters.
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Actually i don't think you can go so far as saying Anakin had a choice in whether the republic would become the empire. There's no way Mace had a chance of killing palpatine. But it doesn't really matter since rots is such a silly cheese fest that I personally can't take seriously at all.
Vader didn't turn to the dark side because he was afraid. He turned because he was an idiot.
Are we seriously supposed to believe a vague promise from an evil guy who tried to kill his wife multiple times in the last two movies about learning to keep others from dying is going to be enough to convince Anakin to kill a bunch of kids and lose control of himself to the dark side he's been warned will make him evil like darth maul, the guy who killed his master's master, and like dooku, the person who tried to kill his wife?
no.
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...blaming the victims of a crime. And there were no bigger victims of Lucas' poor writing and direction than Christensen and Portman. Sure, it may have been tough for the audience to watch the horribly-written romance, but imagine how hard it must have been for Portman and Christensen to perform it? Imagine the excitement of being cast in the new Star Wars movie, and of thinking the love that exists for the original trilogy would now be theirs to experience. Imagine Lucas selling them on some grand romance set against an epic galactic war. And then they get the script...and then they experience Lucas' infamous direction. One can bitch and moan about these two actors all they want, and speculate that other actors would have done better, but I think that's wrong. I mean, do you really think other actors could have done better with such a poorly written love story (both in development/structure and dialogue), directed by a man with no touch for intimate moments between human beings? Maybe a pair of actors could overcome one of those two burdens, but both? I don't think so. Maybe if they had a good script, then they could have overcome Lucas' distant, cold, un-insightful direction. Maybe if they had a director with a knack for working with actors and handling personal moments, then maybe they could have overcome the bad script. But again, you really do need at least one thing going for you. As it was, I think Christensen and Portman did a pretty good job considering what little the had to work with. I think they have a pretty good chemistry, but whenever it was about to click, it would be undone by some terrible bit of dialogue by Lucas, or a scene between them with good dramatic potential would seem woefully unexploited by Lucas. Casting the main characters was something Lucas actually did well; its just that he didn't give them much to work with. It wasn't just Portman and Christensen who suffered; they all did, including McGregor and Jackson, but they had an easier dramatic burden than the two romanctic leads, and as such, the romantic leads should be cut some slack. I do like parts of all the prequels, but imagine how good they could have been had Lucas let better writers write it, and better directors direct it...just like he did with the series best in Empire Strikes Back?
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After watching all the prequels and then when it comes down to ROTJ, you really get a sense of Vader's journey and just how awful it must be to be him. Not only did he lose just about everything he ever loved but the physical pain he must have been enduring just added to it. After watching ROTJ, my favorite part of the film now is when Luke tells Vader that he feels the conflict within him and to let go of his hate. The part just after that where Vader stands in reflection just speaks volumes to me now. You can feel the sadness and emotion that he's feeling, even behind the mask. A great scene. Also some great acting by Prowse and Jones.
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Truthfully, I don't think Lucas is an actor's director. I think he is a great visual director but has little talent when it comes to his actors. I think he should have hired Kirschner or someone who directs character-driven pieces. I think in a lot of instances, he needed a co-writer or someone to work on the screenplay alltogether in order to weed out the parts with weird dialogue in them. Other than that, if those steps were taken, the movies could have been greater, though I definitely would have made the films a lot more epic than they were, along the lines of LOTR, in terms of separate storylines and whatnot. My hope is to see someone else take the reigns, possibly if Lucas gives someone permission or when he dies, to be able to make more films.
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That´s whats basically going to happen with the TV series.
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From what I understand, the series covers the time between eps 3 and 4. Now I don't know about anyone else, but what else really could have happened? The Empire imposes its control over the galaxy and they build the Death Star. Not much story to tell there, except for the formation of the rebellion. However, the most vital element is missing and that is Jedi. Star Wars isn't Star Wars without Jedi and I'm not happy about thinking or saying this but I think if we don't get a weekly dose of Jedi action or lightsabers, the series will fail. Seriously, if I was aboard this series, I would try and tell different stories every week, some stories taking place in the Old Republic era, some in the New Republic era. I think they've pretty much told what they needed to tell about the movie characters. If there's any truth to the series being about Boba Fett, I seriously don't think that would be enough either. The coolest thing about Star Wars are the Jedi and lightsabers, while there are other cool characters, I don't think a series based on second-tier characters would make for an effective series. But that's just me.
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Oh, well. I tried, Mr Lucas, I tried. You gave them three films that made Godfather III feel better about itself, but still the beast lives. You turned Darth Vader into a whiny teen, but still the beast lives. You made the Jedi dullards and virgins, but STILL the beast lives. This Star Wars is an unstoppable, rampaging beast - beyond even its master's control - like an escaped mechanical monkey of enormous size. And here I am, feeding the mechanical monkey with this post. This monkey will destroy us all.
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"Also, keep in mind that Anakin doesn't see that Palps tried to kill Padme. He sees that Maul tried and Dooku tried, but not Palps. as far as he is concerend, Palps is the only one telling him the truth (something reinforced by the fact that Palps constantly strokes his ego and tells him he can , and should be, the most powerful Jedi ever...)"
That's what I'm saying. It's absolutely insulting to the audiences intelligence that this character is going to seriously believe the guy who tries to kill his wife throughout the last two movies will help save her.
When you type so lovingly of the movies it's as if you're describing one we never got to see since the ones I saw were full of cgi garbage and some very terrible acting. -
Pyro's turn to the dark side of mutants was more convincing than little orphan annie turning because he's scared natalie portman will die.
Think about it. Which is more dramatic.
"I've been fighting for a cause i don't truly believe in and I'm switching sides someone finally respects my talents and wants me to be who I am and not hide it in front of people who are inferior."
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"I've got a great idea for how I'll save my wife from death. I'll become a sith just like the people who have been trying to kill her for years."
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DUH! How much more clear could it have been? Anakin also knows that the Sith have been trying to kill Padme. It is a HUGE plot hole that George Lucas didn't see because his prequel screenplays are not well written. And his producing and directing were even worse. Not to mention hiring all television crew to make features. The choosing of the Director of Photography and Production Designer are two of the huge misfires that make the Prequel Trilogy look like episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Time will not be kind to the prequels.
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My prediction is that when Lucas goes off to the great Jedi Temple in the sky, his kids will inherit Lucasfilm and relaunch SW. It will be a trilogy about the next generation of Skywalkers. They will produce the films, but hire others to write and direct. Unfortunately, we may have to wait 20 years for this, but that's also how long the wait was between the OT and the PT. I have a strong feeling this is what will happen.
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Basically, I wouldn't focus on it being about Skywalkers. I would make it about 3 specific characters (padawans) who grow up together in the Jedi Temple, they are in their late teens, maybe early 20's so as not to get complaints about it being too kid-friendly, plus gives it an excuse to have some romance between the characters (I'm trying to get a script together for a self-illustrated comic book). Basically, the main character this time around is a girl. How awesome would it be to see some sexy female Jedi kicking ass with a lightsaber? The other two characters are students as well, all three are good-natured and whatnot. I don't have a whole storyline yet, but I think I would essentially make a story about certain powerful Jedi being killed one by one and no one knows who's behind it. I would then make it so that these Jedi are in some ways integral to the survival of the republic, but with few remaining it looks as though the republic would be divided and systems would then fight for control of the senate, in otherwords, the potential for all out war would be a subplot of the story, hopefully spanning a trilogy if I can somehow get that much material. The story goes on to tell that there is a betrayal within the Jedi Order, a lovve triangle develops between the three main jedi characters and at least one will not survive to the end. I think that would make for an epic tale, plus I wanted to take the story in three directions, focusing on each of the 3 main characters (Kind of like LOTR) so by the end, you would have a great emotional attachment to each of them. Feedback?
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There would be planets we've seen in movies before, some we haven't seen. I wanted to make it so that the technology would be like the Original Trilogy but there wouldn't be any ships or vehicles that would be the same as the movies, maybe vehicles that are inspired or look similar to ones we've seen. In my mind, I would set it so you wouldn't be able to tell if it was prequel or original timeline. Maybe in an alternate universe all its own so as not to be resricted to the EU (which is great by the way) but still plays by the rules that Lucas laid out in his films.
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You can murder kids, 10 minutes after quiting the Jedi? Put the Kool-aid down.
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I didn't think you were both stupid also. At the end of The Phantom Menace the Jedi are very aware that the Sith were pulling the strings of the Trade Federation. It is clear as crystal. And in Attack of the Clones the Jedi are also very aware that Count Dooku is a Sith, and leading the Separtist movement (with, again, the Trade Federation!), so only a FUCKING IDIOT wouldn't make the connection that the Sith orchestrated everything. And Palpatine is the Master Sith.
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Raping people to death = playing games with Yoda. Sure, exactly the same.
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go into the temple and kill the old Jedi, and then let like 20 little Jedi go so they could come back and kill him in a few years? Once he made the decision to raid the temple, that was it. Anakin was Sith by that point, and once you're in, you're all the way in.As for Anakin putting together who Darth Maul was, he was a little kid and probably had very little memory of exactly what was going on, and I'm sure nothing was explained to him well by the Jedi, but you can bet Palpatine was there to fill in all the gaps in the story the Jedi left out.
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It's truly hard to believe you can be so dense. Your right about all that stuff in your first paragraph about Palpatine seeming to be against Dooku and the Separtists. As far as Anakin knows Palpatine is against the Sith. But that all becomes null and void the second that Palpatine is revealed to BE a Sith. Why is that not clear to you? Palpatine is revealed to be the Sith Master. Lets say this again: Palpatine is revealed to be the Sith Master. If the Sith are behind everything and Palpatine is the Sith MASTER, then how is it not blatantly obvious to Anakin (and you) that Palpatine was behind trying to kill Padme? The Jedi know that there are always only two Sith, and Dooku is one, so when Palpatine is revealed to be a Sith.........drumroll please........they're in league together! It's a plothole, one of the many in the Prequels.
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Anakin wuz practically raised by surrogate dad, Palpy. The emperor infiltrated the jedi for so long on deeper and deeper levels as time elapsed. The chosen one had psychological scars thanx to Watto, Huts, Dugs, sandpeople, Taatoine slave-life, single parent upbringing, the separation anxiety of leaving mom, etc.....As Don Vito and Blade say, "Keep your friends close, your enemies closer". Sidious kept Ani close, and was a bug up the jedi's arses. The future Darth Vader carried so much baggage having to meet his abilities, responsibilities, and fulfill that damn prophecy. He lacked the ability to think straight. Darth Plageus conceived him. His pupil manipulated him. To young Skywalker's credit, he restrained himself from killing Palpatine after the reveal....showed some jedi temperance. There was good inside Anakin, but tremendous confusion as well. Why am I even attempting to explain the merits of Star Wars to you? The whole saga is a classic story. It IS the modern mythology. Attempting to poke holes in it is assinine. You are either a dullard (my guess), or a biased LOTR fan. lol
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Making Star Wars movies not about the Skywalker family would be pretty strange wouldn't it? If 7,8 and 9 are ver made it would have to be about an old Luke, like Obi-Wan in the original, having a final cataclysmic encounter with the Dark Side. Will never happen though. Why can't Lucas just do a final trilogy with all our old favourites instead of a shitty TV series? Man.
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I'd much rather have Hayden Christensen in them than Orlando Bloom. What is it with that guy? He only has one level of voice acting, at least Hayden shouted a bit in Sith!
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I've come to the conclusions that One9Douche and DamnYouMichaelBay should have pulled their heads out their asses before they watched the movies since they missed too much. How come every other mother fucker made sense out these movies except them? Retardedness runs strong in their families I guess.
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one9douche, heh heh, wow! That is so creative and original. No wonder you think the Prequels are good. Trust me fellow talkbackers, and if you're around in 10 or 15 years I'll say I told you so, but the prequel trilogy will not be looked upon as classics. They just aren't.
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19Douche doesn't fucking read these posts, he just assumes shit and makes things up to support his bullshit arguments. Where in my fucking 3 sentence post did I say they were good? I said that every other mother fucker made sense out of them but you, asswipe. Are you retarded or delusional? If you couldn't make sense out of a 3 sentence post that would take only few seconds to read, no wonder you couldn't figure out a few fucking movies, you can't comprehend shit you fucking inbred retard.
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..to get the taste of your mom's worm ridden hole out of my mouth. Her pussy was so fucking nasty that I saw one of the crabs vomiting you fucking bitch. Go pull up your fucking pants because I bet your asshole feels like the fucking center of the sun right now after a rough night at boys town
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Alright snatchmaster, I guess if all you've got left is some unoriginal insults then I'm completely bored with you. Hell, I'd rather sit through Attack of the Clones than continue this....wait a minute, no I wouldn't.
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I understand the prequel trilogy as well as anyone even though I think it's terrible. What I'm saying is that Anakin's "fall" is unconvincing on every level. Only certain people who are REALLY into Star Wars defend how poorly it was conceived and carried out. The Godfather is the best example of a fall from good to evil, the prequels are only a hamfisted attempt at the same type of character arc.
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I understand the prequel trilogy as well as anyone even though I think it's terrible. What I'm saying is that Anakin's "fall" is unconvincing on every level. Only certain people who are REALLY into Star Wars defend how poorly it was conceived and carried out. The Godfather is the best example of a fall from good to evil, the prequels are only a hamfisted attempt at the same type of character arc.
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Yes, I would compare The Godfather or The Godfather Part II to Star Wars and The Empire Strikes Back. The are totally different types of films, but they are all classics and deservedly so. Would I have done the prequels different? Yes. Does that make me biased? No. I don't dislike them because he went a different way than I would have, I dislike them because they are horrible. And here is an opinion will shock you I'm sure: I actually think The Phantom Menace is a decent film. It has really interesting ideas in it, some great characters, and a really fantastic basic structure that if altered here and there could have made it a classic on par with the Original Trilogy. AOTC and ROTS are both garbage that are completely unsalvagable. And I like Hayden Christensen, I just think he was horribly miscast. Trying to make Anakin so similar to Luke was a big mistake. And making Anakin 9 years old in Episode 1 was an even bigger mistake. Changing actors in a series never works well.
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Palpatine was still waving the whole "we can save Padme" schtick before Anakin, puling back to the fold. Quite literally the proverbial carrot before the horse.
Anakin was thinking more with his heart then his head on that one. Or maybe he was thinking with his dick, who knows.
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