Nov. 6, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST
I'm rushing home from my bowling league tomorrow night to hit up Heroes and this...oh, and if I get first, it will be the first (pun intended) time ever that someone that has read the whole article hs said...FIRST!!
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST
it was not meant to be...but hey, a month back I posted 20 first messages in a row in a talkback, and no one even commented...an AICN tradition is dying like the slow dinosaurs...
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST
So...I hate the actress who plays her... I had thought Kristen Chenoweth would have been the better choice. But, it turns out that Harriet IS Kristen Chenoweth! Thats who the character is based on. Sorkin and Chenoweth had a thing, she went on the 700 club to promote her christen music CD...shes super into Jesus...so damn...the best actress for the role...and she wont even be on the show. Drats.
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:25 a.m. CST
I'm first...the moron still spamming for that mediocre short film that everyone has already agreed is boring, does NOT count as a first...I'm first!!!!! (resisting temptation to link to my own short film)
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST
this is the first time in maybe 5+ years that I posted. And I got a first!...in another talkback. But anyway..I never botherd to post before...and I totally forgot my username and paswrod till 10 min ago. I rule.
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST
Sorkin rules. Of all the greatness I'm watching at the moment (Deadwood S3, Heroes, Lost), Studio 60 is my favourite. I managed to survive the Firefly cancellation. I'm not I could withstand it if it happened to Studio 60 as well.
Nov. 6, 2006, 3:26 a.m. CST
um...sorry to break your spirit, but in March of 2007 I'm gonna have some bad news for you...
Nov. 6, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST
I love Studio 60, and if Sorkin developed a pilot about spittle that fliked of his tongue as he spoke, I would tune in...unfortunately, networks are dumb, and Studio 60 is not long for this world, I fear...
Nov. 6, 2006, 7:11 a.m. CST
And for whatever reason, I suppose Herc would prefer to have one less review than bother posting mine. It's a pretty good episode though, maybe not as quotable as other episodes, but it's definitely got the better story of the episodes we've seen so far, and in that regard, I'm glad it's spanning two weeks.
Nov. 6, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST
Is great, along with, "You don't like kids and dogs?" "Or orphans, is that a problem?"
Nov. 6, 2006, 8:21 a.m. CST
by THE KNIGHT
I can't wait to come back later to read all the cancel talk from the haters *rolls eyes*
Nov. 6, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST
by THE KNIGHT
Pretty good show...
Nov. 6, 2006, 8:49 a.m. CST
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST
According to Tim Goodman at sfgate.com: "Look for NBC to announce soon that it will give 'Studio 60 on the Sunset Strip' a full season order. Maybe with patience from NBC, people will worry less about the show's fate and simply watch. (And Aaron Sorkin will make the sketches funnier, or cut them entirely.)"
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST
by CTU Mole
Both are about characters who the producers of the show want you to think are the most important beings on the planet and have the weight of the world on their shoulders. The difference is that in Studio 60 they actually are. Save us, Studio 60, from the blight of the red states and their ignorance of Abbot and Costello. Only the biting satire of Nightline with Juliette Lewis can save us from the flyover state apocalypse. Now cue the dramatic Sting music while Chandler and the religious girl, the new Adam and Eve, face the future. Gravitas.
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST
Yet it makes perfect sense. "Worry less about the show's fate, and just watch." Amen. All this cancellation talk is probably just having them lose more viewers, and it will be a nice relief to just be able to watch the show and enjoy, and hopefully much of the stress will be gone. Will it be picked up for a season 2? Well that's a long ways a way, but at least that gives Sorkin the chance to pitch an exciting second season premise, and other such possibilities, as well as looking at what other shows NBC has lost by the time the new Fall schedule comes out. I hope what you posted is true.
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST
There are no weak 'Kids'. How dare you. But it sure is depressing that he's stuck on 'Studio 60'. Face it, this show is a turd. I hate christians as much as the next fella, but how many times can we watch People Talking Fast So You Think They're Clever While They Walk Swiftly Down a Busy Hallway Towards the Camera? Actually, I think that's the title for Sorkin's next project. PTFSYTTCWTWSDBHTC!
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST
I've watched the whole thing, and I've come away liking the show and disliking Aaron Sorkin. Is that impossible? He's a great writer, the setting interests me, all the actors are great, the banter is great...but pervading through the whole thing is such a loud, annoying sense of Sorkin himself shouting: I'm-right-you're-wrong, Christians-are-all-ignorant, and the best, drug-use-isn't-so-bad. And yet I like the show. Oh well...I suppose when the show is cancelled in a few weeks, these conversations will be moot.
Nov. 6, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST
Busfield co-directed with Lesli Linka Glatter, who directed on West Wing, but more important, TWIN PEAKS. I've also been checking up on "The Larry Sanders Show" and Scott Thompson is great on it....there's my segue from one behind the scenes show with a KITH, to another.
Nov. 6, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST
And I love this show. Sorry, thats a shitty review, but i'm tired.
Nov. 6, 2006, 12:26 p.m. CST
has it gotten any better, or are the jokes in the show within the show still not funny, and do all of the charachters still speak with exactly the same zingy sarcasm and act essentially the same?
Nov. 6, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST
I don't know what to tell you. I'm a huge fan of the show, but I can understand the other people's problem with it. Sketches haven't really been featured that much lately, and in regard to the dialogue, yeah, they still talk that way, but Sorkin's been doing that for years. That's not a staple of just this show, and if you don't like that, you may not like a good deal of Sorkin in general.
Nov. 6, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST
The biggest problem is that it is only half a story. It really is Sorkin attempting to recreate the feel of The West Wing's Celestial Navigation though. I think the show is improving, and I really appreciated Goodman ripping into the pretension of the show.
Nov. 6, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST
I'm getting tired of the Christian bashing, too. Look, I have absolutely no problem with you bashing the Religious Right or Christian Conservatism because I'm all for ripping any brand of Christianity that requires a trademark logo. But they're ripping not on those groups, but on the values shared by them AND by the people who are genuine about their faith with no agenda in mind. And as much as I love this show (as I've said in multiple talkbacks), I am starting to hear the fabric of my patience streched to the point of tearing. Please, resolve the angle or make it a background issue.
Nov. 6, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST
he actually IS a standup. Again, I'm in the other camp. I never cared how well Casey and Dan worked as sportscasters. In fact, Casey seemed terrible. What matters is how much they cared about being sportscasters. Same thing here.
Nov. 6, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST
..for this to be as good as I think it could be. The contrived humor in the sketches (or lack of) is bothersome, but from a drama standpoint, it's an engaging show. As to the whole christian bashing thing and the east/west coast ignorance about "flyover" country, it's a tired device. Broad based stereotyping of anybody who is not from NY/LA as a "dumb hick" is lazy writing in my opinion and beneath the quality this show seems to be striving for. That said, I'll probably watch the damn thing tonight...
Nov. 6, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST
I can understand why people are getting annoyed with it, but it's pretty much become a character trait for Harriett. It'd be like if Josh on the West Wing was constantly going to pro-abortionist meetings, and made his love for abortions clear to everyone. It may not be the best example, but when you're in the spotlight, and you have some trait that is different from everyone else, obviously it will become an issue, so I think it makes sense. Bearing that in mind, do we need to hear about it every week, and at the magnitude it has been featured? Absolutely not. But I understand what's going on with it.
Nov. 6, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST
It hurts to see him not looking so great. A while back it looked like he was losing some weight and getting in better shape, but now he is looking older and bigger and tireder than ever, so sometimes it's almost painful to watch him. I mean, nobody wants John Goodman to look like Adrien Brody, but he's, what, 54, and guys his size don't live to be 70. Come on, John, don't pull a Chris Farley/John Candy/John Belushi/Dan Conner!
Nov. 6, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST
by Flim Springfield
I mean, it was interesting for one episode, now I just thought "are they still going on about this?"
Nov. 6, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...but, like the West Wing and Sports Night, it just often feels overwritten. Characters too frequently say exactly the right thing to hammer home the overarching message of an episode and they deal with the unexpected in way too smooth and efficient a manner for me to suspend disbelief and entertain for a moment the thought that these might be real(ish) people. Whoever brought up the point about believing them as comedians is keyed into the same thing, I think. How much of stand up and live comedy is improvisation? Nothing these people say feels improvised or spontaneous (Even Matthew Perry, who managed to make the very overwritten Friends dialogue he was dealt feel fresh and genuine from time to time). Still, I enjoy the show. Probably because I think Sorkin usually paints a pretty decent picture of the way things should be in an ideal world, even if they never possibly could be in the very flawed world we share. Does that even make sense?
Nov. 6, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST
the judge opens with "do you think a judge would ask a cop to shoot you in the legs and call people 'japs'?" and then spends the rest of the episode making everyone defend the contents of the jesus sketch and implying that the fate of the arrested guy depends on it? that didn't work at all (I still want to know what happens with the rest of the stories, but that judge is a cartoon character to me now).
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:05 p.m. CST
Nothing is fucked here, Dude. Come on, you're being very un-Dude. They'll call back
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:09 p.m. CST
people dnt want to hear about this...they are watching for entertainment...if i need to hear about religion i'll go to church on sunday not Monday night
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST
by CTU Mole
I'm being forced to watch it now. Those Nevada folks sure are rubes! I can't believe the cops are holding that guy. Don't they know he's on a sketch comedy show? And how can they have the whole staff of the show on one plane? What if it goes down? They are soldiers in the war of the Red States! It would be the end of civilization as we know it! Does that plane have countermeasures?
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST
The music at the end of the episode was TOTALLY end of season one Sports Night music.
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:56 p.m. CST
You know why? Because while I am an atheist, I am not a bigot. Sorkin is really coming off as a bigot. Oh, this hate is Politically Correct Hate, but it is still myopic hatred and bigotry. MemBirdman and ElfinJam are correct. "Broad based stereotyping of anybody who is not from NY/LA as a 'dumb hick'" has gotten the point that it is just bigotry and it isn't entertaining. I loved (loved loved loved) SportsNight. I would trade every episode of West Wing for 2 more seasons of SportsNight. I hated West Wing, because it was preachy and overly self-important, but at least that fit a show about the White House. Here, Studio 60, is a freakin' comedy TV show! Sorkin should stop writing "The West Wing set on the SNL lot" and start writing a "drama about SNL". The show isn't funny. Most of the characters are too self-righteous to be likable. And unless you are desperate to keep watching The West Wing, the show isn't entertaining. I find about 25% of each episode enjoyable. (For example the black standup comic.) I am just not willing to slog through Sorkin's bigoted well-trodden self-righteous diatribes to get to that 25%.
Nov. 6, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST
I was pulling for this show... but as of tonite, I really dont care. It was boring and uninteresting. A nevada judge makes some racist comments then condemns some religous jokes...seriously im not entertained. To bad this show wasn't on at 9pm so I wouldnt be upset about missing Heroes when 24 comes back.
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST
by THE KNIGHT
Enjoyed John Goodman... He was great back in the 90s... Nice episode...
Nov. 6, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST
Even his voice, on those Dukin Donut ads, sounds fat.
Nov. 6, 2006, 11:18 p.m. CST
Ed Asner seemed in better health. Sorry, everyone, but I still really enjoy this show. I laughed quite a few times, loved the Matt/Danny 'puppetmaster' scene, and really like Simon and Tom. Now I'm curious about the reason behind the speeding ticket. And yeah, they have a point when most television has ugly violence as acceptable, while you can't say 'Jesus' or the whole nation makes such a huge stink about an exposed nipple. Anyway, that full season order is around the corner.
Nov. 7, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST
Even Reno 911 got it right after a few episodes.
Nov. 7, 2006, 1:36 a.m. CST
one bit. Everyone's wit is as sharp as a razor and they all have flawlessly crafted responses for everything said to them. Blah... the dialogue is so painfully scripted it's ridiculous. Watch Entourage, at least the writers there convince me that what comes out of Ari's mouth is the real deal.
Nov. 7, 2006, 2:30 a.m. CST
god damn all you complainers are driving me bonkers. have you seen the West Wing? why tune into Studio 60 if you dislike Sorkin's brand of writing, pacing, etc. or if you can't stand a show that talks about the Christian Right, and portrays them in a less than favorable light? what are you expecting? when people complain about that, I am just at a lost. it's like walking out of Jackass 2 and complaining there was no plot. this show is not for everyone! the people don't talk like "real people" talk, THEY AREN'T REAL PEOPLE, and yes, there will be dozens of digs at religious conservatives every episode. the slim ratings show that there are enough people that don't get this, to make it teeter on the edge of cancellation. as much as I would hate for that to happen, I hate even more the annoying whiney people in this talkback complaining about the same shit every week, and yet still tuning in. do me a favor, unless you have a Neilson box, just stop watching, AND stop posting. if you're a fan of the show, and you have gripes about the direction it's going, or anything interesting to say about episodes, I'm all ears. but the constant bickering about how the show is fundamentally set up is just plain annoying. and for what it's worth, the shit you are all complaining about in terms of the insults to religion, don't we get that 10 times a minute on the daily show and the colbert report? why not complain about it there?
Nov. 7, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST
1) I don't watch the Daily Show or the Colbert Report, so the point is moot for me. 2) I don't have a problem with them taking on the Christian "enter trademark here" group. I do have a problem with them using the central figure of Christian faith as a tool to rip on whatever it was they were ripping on. That's not taking on a segment that thinks it should create policy. That's taking on the whole, most of whose ultimate goal is to be able to live under the policy created peacefully. 3) Yeah, I was soooooooooooooo rooting for Studio 60. Now, I'll likely watch through the rest of this season, but I'm not the proponent of the show that I once was. Oh, and while I've lived through what happened to Harriet outside the diner, who says "trunkated" in normal speech?!
Nov. 7, 2006, 6:21 a.m. CST
"Your side hates my side because you think we think you're stupid and my side hates your side because we think you're stupid." Sorry...if that was to come across as sarcasm, I completely missed it. It's good to know that the writer of this show thinks I'm stupid...why am I supporting his show again? I don't typically stand behind people who call me stupid.
Nov. 7, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
and sorkin's undefeated streak comes to an end. this show sucks. it was time for me to face up to it this week.
Nov. 7, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST
Have you seen SportsNight? You know Sorkin did a show before West Wing, right? It is good. It wasn't preachy. It was entertaining. If Studio was more like SportsNight and less like West Wing I'd love it. As for the Daily Show, it is funny. It isn't preachy; it isn't condescending; it isn't mean spirited. That is the difference. It isn't that we can't take a joke; it is that we can't take a self-righteous bigot. As for "don't get this", what don't get be an A*Hole? Don't get that being the right kind of racist makes you a "better person (tm)"? Yeah I hope I never "get that".
Nov. 7, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST
is not literally Sorkin, right? That characters aren't necessarily stand-ins for the writers? It's been established that Matt has more of an anti-Christian bias than anybody, and sometimes it's apparent that his responses are knee-jerk. People who criticize this show always seem to make the mistake in assuming because a character says it, that it's 'the truth' and what the message of the show is. Like when Tom made cracks about his parents being from Ohio and people said that the show was making fun of the midwest, conveniently forgetting that we clearly see Simon criticizing Tom for disrespecting his parents and their background. Sure, preachiness happens, but not every statement a character says should be taken at face value. And if you think that sketch was meant to make fun of Jesus, membirdman, you missed the point as much as John Goodman's judge did. They weren't 'taking on the whole' - it was in the very specific context of network standards and practices. That's the problem with taboos and religious icons. Everybody thinks they have ownership over an image, when in fact, people create their own "Jesus" based on biases and backgrounds. Symbols are complicated and risky to take on.
Nov. 7, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST
I don't think they'll ever get it right. President Bartlet never learned how to pronounce "Concord." Why should we expect any different? Now my question is this: Were the people from Macau speaking Cantonese or Mandarin? In an earlier episode, Ed Asner incorrectly implied that people from Macau spoke Mandarin. Hmm...
Nov. 7, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST
Membirdman, what word do people use instead of "truncated" where you're from? Just as an aside, I'd like to mention that the dialog on Studio 60 sounds like how people talk where I'm from.
Nov. 7, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST
No, I got the skit. It's the same as "blaaaaaaaank...Willow" or "blaaaaaank...a-doodle-doo." What I'm saying is the snowball is already rolling, so anything in the ballpark is piling on. Understand, I wasn't offended by it...it was marginally funny. But I'm tired of the piling on, because when you use the same central figure or ideology over and over again, even if it's to point out shortcomings elsewhere sometimes, the focus becomes that figure's or ideology's shortcomings. Spuncho: "They didn't put in the whole quote," "That's not what I said," "There was more to what I said that what they wrote." All mean the same as truncated, essentially. I've honestly never heard the word used in normal speech as far as I can remember. It sounded so stilted, especially in comparison to the relatively common language that he (Sorkin) regularly uses.
Nov. 7, 2006, 3:39 p.m. CST
first off, hard to read your post man. I had to reread a couple parts a few times. punctuate much? second off, the daily show isn't mean spirited? um, huh? that's its whole schtick. I love it, don't get me wrong, but they rip everyone a new one on a daily basis (har har). I watched Sports Night, I liked it, but I think it's clear (or was clear after the first episode) that this show is more in the vein of west wing than sports night. that's how it is. what good is whining? if it's not your thing, tune out. and also, your last sentence about racism and bigots, I simply cannot understand your "writing". can you please translate?
Nov. 8, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST
... and I actually, finally, thought that one of the sketches might be funny. Jesus as the head censor on NBC. That has potential... but we're never going to see that sketch... so... oh well.
Nov. 9, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST
According to Ausiello at Tvguide. Weird...I applaud NBC for usually giving their shows a solid chance but I figured they would just cut their losses with this one. Let's hope they keep Friday Night Lights as well, and maybe find better timeslots for both of them? If they didn't already move Scrubs and 30 Rock in, I'd say just move it back to thurs. at 9. Ridiculously competitive timeslot, but at least it would follow The Office, which is the exact same audience they're going for. Ratings couldn't get much worse. Who knows what they'll do with it, but keeping it behind Heroes just seems dumb.