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Last week I took a hell of a lot of flak for critisizing last weeks X-files specifically and the series in general, and among other things I was slammed for critisizing part 1 without seeing part 2, the argument being that any "pay off" would occur in part 2. Well in a little under an hour part 2 will "grace" our little screens, and while I still hold that Chris Carter will pull back and resolve nothing, If I am wrong, I WILLl come back and eat crow (in a metaphorical sense of course). Oh, and to the MANY, MANY X-Philes who were too chicken to challenge my views here in the open and *cleverly* sent me "scathing" E-mails (many 5 words or less), don't bother this week, because I intend to post the contents of any E-mails of THAT sort here on the talkback so as to expose the *intellectual* thought which is *generated* by this piece of... entertainment...
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Dolfanar, heel, boy! Heel! Don't strung out yourself about the series's conclusion.
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Ggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...
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I live in Australia so I don't get to see this episode for months!!!
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Wow, that image of the rebels surrounding the conspirators and their families was quite chilling. Overall, I was pleased with the show -- a lot of new stuff happened, people are talking out in the open about what's going to go down, and Cigarette Smoking Man is even showing previously unexhibited emotional layers. Of course, not a lot was really resolved, but I didn't really expect this anyways. Lots of tasty developments was enough for me. I just wish Scully was involved more in this episode. And I have one question someone can maybe answers: so did Cigarette Smoking Man sell out his cohorts when he and Mimi Rogers ducked out on that doomed rendezvous. Or did he just see what was gonna happen and made a quick getaway? Not sure.
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At least Fox and Scully are back on the X-Files and don't have to be sneaking behind anybody's back. That was getting a little old as the season was going on.
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Well its over, or is it? The conspirators are dead and it seems that the colonists are stopped for now but I am sure we haven't seen the end of the invasion.
Tonights episode wasn't too bad. We found out more about the entire conspiracy and that there is no longer a conspiracy because everybody is dead. There are still questions left however, e.g. Who does Krycek work for?, Is Spender really dead? Personally I am glad that Full Disclosure is over. Hopefully, now that M and S are back on the X-Files, we can see some good episodes about the paranormal and not about their relationships. Dolfanar, I don't think you have to eat all the crow but I think you should eat a little. :o) -
Nobody sent out the "signal" for the aliens to come pick them up, so C.G.B. ran knowing that something bad was going to happen. My question now is: what the heck will he be able to do along without the rest of his fellow conspirators, and where was the leader of the Consortium, that guy in the movie who lives in Tunisia? I would have thought that he would have been in the hangar also!
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The entire syndicate, dead. Damn. CGB Spender blows his son's head off (it seems). Damn. The Rebels now have the capibility to create a vaccine. Damn. It was worth all the worry the first part caused. One question, now that the Syndicate's just a collection of burn marks, what's keeping the Aliens from invading? And if the Rebels are going to be the driving force in the salvation of earth, then what does Mulder and Scully have to do with anything? Is Carter just giving us a worms-eye-viev of the real story?
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Cancer Man just keeps getting better and better. First, he the figurehead for the Syndicate. Then he's Bill Mulder's friend. He sacrifices his wife AND surrenders the American flag to the aliens. Then he kills his one. Intriguing guy. Then, the ending. Shocking. Carter killed the Syndicate, their families, their children, and a lot of hope for the human race. Um, I'm still wondering how he can do a seventh season. And a film franchise. He'll probably find a way, though. And 'll be happy as long as I have The X-Files. But as Krycek said (?) "All bets are off".
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What now?
As a dramatic episode, I was duly impressed with tonight's episode. I stopped watching x files regularly sometime during mid season 4, because I felt nothing really had any relation to anything else and we'd never see any resolution. I've picked it up again quite recently. I think the real questionis now that Mulder and Scully are going to be reassigned to the X Files (Presumably), will revert back to it's normal nonrelated episodic style I grew board of, or will we actually see a colonization and perhaps a war, reminiscent of "V" from the early eighties. I would assume, given the previous stylings of Carter, that the colonization will be stopped before it begins... but if it goes the other way I'll be quite interested. -
Overall I thought it was a good episode, it wasn't the tell-all, show-all that was advertised. Which is fine by me. However, there is at least one loose end: What about the super intelligent boy and the alien in the nuclear reactor? I thought that he would be a factor in the colonization, but he wasn't even mentioned in either episode. Perhaps he still is though, you never know what Carter will do.
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They Changed Nothing! It's still there so they can bring back the threat of colonization whenever the rating's drop. Plus next week they're back to a regular X-file that probably has nothing to do with it. And they'll do the same thing that they've done before. Once every couple of weeks there will be a show that has something to do with the aliens and then back to regular stuff. What do you bet that right before the next movie comes out they'll start in really heavy on the colonization stuff..... The B******S. Well that's my thoughts. Not that I won't watch next week though.
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Ever play a video game fast and loose? You know, taking short cuts to "finish" the game because while you want to finish it, it's not good enough to REALLY devote any REAL attention to it? Ever realize that while you were whizzing by, level by level, ignoring things left and right, that you missed something pivotal to ending the game? Ever say, "fuck it, im' gonna start over again". Well that's what Chris Carter has done... He has effectivily put the show back to ground zero, CGM, Kryjicek, Skinner, Kryjicek's girl friend, Mulder and scully... they were the only ones, apperantly to survive... Now, Mulder and scully can go back to business as usual, and rebuild from square one... what a waste, Everyone figured that either the story would advance (into the "Colonization") or stand pat, what has happened is worse, they've hit the reset button... Well on the bright side there's a kick ass Outer Limits episode on now (a sequel episode to boot), now THERE's a real hardcore sci-fi show...
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Mulder said "All bets are off."
And Scully said she wouldn't bet against him. Hmm. Krycek, CSM, and Fowley are all in the "out for their own sorry asses" category. I guess Skinner is just a taxi service now. M&S have to be around cause not everything in the X-files is about the aliens, and somebody will have to be there to fight CSM. -
This was one of the best episodes to date. I sat with my jaw slack watching several times and that's always a sign of a good episode to me. It amazes me that several of you so called fans actually prefer the "monster" shows over the conspiracy shows. The whole story arc is what makes this show great. It's people like you that gave up on Twin Peaks because you wanted to know who killed Laura Palmer. Keep up the good work Chris and don't give in to the idiots.
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Questions answered, questions asked!!!That's what it's all about. Way to go Chris Carter.
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What's CSM have to fight with and for now? He just lost everything. I don't see how he's an adversary anymore, unless of course I'm missing something, which is dreadfully possible since I missed 2 seasons...
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Dolfanar, The Outer Limits is good. I wish I got a channel that it is on. However, I like the X-Files because it isn't a hardcore Sci-Fi show. Those shows are good but they can get tiring after a while. I think you are right about going back to square one but I hve no problems with that. Hopefully the show will be about the cases again.
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You're not thinking on a large enough scale. He still has a relationship to with the Grey Aliens to protect. It should be fun to watch him try to stay alive through all of this.
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hold on a sec, remember in part one where the member of the syndicate had been takin over by the rebel, and CGB and Krychek gave him strange looks at the syndicate meeting, then later killed him? in this ep, CGB started saying the same things (i think, or was it opposite?), and Krychek gave him that same look... You don't suppose? Even if I'm confused, there was something weird in Krychek's eyes...
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hold on a sec, remember in part one where the member of the syndicate had been takin over by the rebel, and CGB and Krychek gave him strange looks at the syndicate meeting, then later killed him? in this ep, CGB started saying the same things (i think, or was it opposite?), and Krychek gave him that same look... You don't suppose? Even if I'm confused, there was something weird in Krychek's eyes...
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Who is CSM fighting for? I think if anything the revelation is just how personal all of this is for him. And as was mentioned briefly before by AggieEd about Tunisia we discovered how many trips Fowley's been making out to the desert. Strughold is running the show, and like I said after part 1 I won't believe we've seen it all until he pops his little melon out of the Tunisian sand and only God and Gibson know what his motives are. The syndicate turned into a nice little barbeque, people are expendable the work to colonize will continue. The possibilities are out there, but now instead of picking at each episode I think fans will have to look at the BIG picture (as in silver screen).
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I think that creators of X-files have just destroyed a very popular character (C.S.M).
How can us fans cheer him on in his crusade, knowing that he shot his own son in the face?
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Hello. Some "so-called fans" were watching since before the Cigarette Smoking Man ever had any lines, before anyone knew about the Syndicate, back in the days when it was stated by Deep Throat that any agency to have contact with an EBE was to execute it at once. In short, people were watching before there even was a "conspiracy arc" and the show was made up of far superior monster, alien and ghost stories. "Ice," "Beyond the Sea," "Die Hand die Verletzt," "Oubliette," "Post-Modern Prometheus," the Tooms episodes, the Pusher episodes, the Tim Minear episode about the blind woman who saw murders or any of the Darin Morgan stories were far superior television to any installment from this high-falutin' conspiracy arc.
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So, I've missed a lot of episodes over the years, and I'm wondering, who was the blond pasty-looking girl who had been infected with the virus? I don't think I've seen her before. Thanks--
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Damn, I can't belivev I missed this ep. I completely forgot about it. If some one could e-mail me a summary of what happened, I would be very gratful.
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I knew there was something I forgot. Lord William did you see Spenders face get blown off? No one did. No one saw a body. I'm not a Spender fan, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him and definately his momma Cassandra back.
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Chris Carter, drop the individual monster episodes. Spend the rest of the x-files dealing with what the aliens are doing, and have them invade. Now!!! I know it's not going to happen, but GOD it would be cool if the x-files went post-alien-apocolyptic right now. They could do a whole "V" thing.
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What arip off! I watched the whole thing, as boring as it was and went through hype and it ends in a whimper!
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That was by far the best episode I have seen in a long time that had to do with the main storyline, seeing that I am still shaking with excitement. I really dont know how it is going to be handled from here, but there are still many ends to tie up, but now we have the structure of the story. Too bad this is the last season, I cant wait till the movie.
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who WAS that pasty virus girl?
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She was Marita Corruvitibas (sp?!). She was the Special Representative to the Secretary General for the U.N. that "X" pointed out to Mulder when he died.
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The well-manicured man's absense is somewhat noteworthy, as was mentioned above. I wonder if it's by design (he was very pro resistance/rebel alien; maybe he has an agenda that goes against the consortium) or by happenstance (the actor unavailable, ill, etc.). Don't count the consortium out though, remember what CSM/CGB said when he got to the air base..."we seem to be missing some people..." I'm sure they'll regroup and start over.......Oh and a side note about the "virus-girl", that's Marita Covarab-something or other. She was in the consortium, but was probably more on the resistance side than collaborators side, especially now.
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I though that this was a very good episode. As for you people who think that they should stick with the conspiricy shows or just do the monster or "just-so" show, you both are wrong. The conspiricy shows move the whole plot of the story along, leaving open ends for movies and future 2 part episodes. BUT, the monster shows are a welcome break from the standard xfiles and can be very good episodes, like "Home" which is one of my favorite ones to date. It will be interesting to see where carter goes next.
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Locutus well-manicured man bit the dust in the movie (at least I think he did, again didn't see a body, but the limosine blowed up real good.) The dude me an AggieEd are talking about is Strughold and he's the guy ultimately pulling the strings, now with some connection to Fowley as revealed in part 2.
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X-Files is a better show when it does the stand alone episodes than continuing the story arc. The current story arc (and the movie) are so full of plot holes, it causes the show to become inferior. Let's face the truth, Chris carter stumbled into this whole alien conspracy arc because it would be neat to have this enigma driving the characters. Thus, the arc is not drawn out in a consistent, or satisfying manner. Compared to other story arc driven shows, this one is lackluster and thoughtless.
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Hey I have no problem with softcore(I'm sure there's a better term I could use;-) Sci-fi, I LOVED the first 4 seasons of B5, and it wasn't quite hardcore (almost though)... As for the Outer limits, it's just nice to watch a show that DOESN't insult our intelligences. Now on to this weeks episode... Best ever? Do even die hard X-philes REALLY believe that? I may not know episode names off-hand, but there were episodes in the early season with plots so intricate and SUBTLE, that I could ALMOST believe that the conspiracy was REAL. This was a Exposition heavy, clumsily edited backdoor for chris Carter to reboot, so that he can set up a NEW conspiracy to take into a film series. Now as for V... Carter has neither the talent (IMO) or the will (as we can all ascertain by now) to come up with anything as nasty as the ORIGINAL V miniseries (not the crap that followed it up). I would however LOVE to see someone take it on as a Feature film project, but with the kind of flicks comin' outa hollywood these days it would probably turn out to be an ID4 clone ;-(.
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ill now give the only reasons the aliens dont quit screwing around and just wipe us out. 1 there are no aliens! mulder is an autistic and the whole series is his fantasy world! OR 2 the aliens saw ID4 and are terrified we can fend off the attack by having drunken bush pilots fly fighter jets into their ships! we cannot be defeated with hollywood on our side!!
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Going back to our discussion from last week, tonights episode made me realize that the rebels sealed up their faces to protect from the "purity" and to kill hybrids without having to worry about the toxic blood gas.What do you think?
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I think you've got it bang on, X-files would have been awesome had they kept the "conspiracy" in the background and in the shadows, almost as a character "quirk" of Mulder's. Making the conspiracy "real" HAS weakened th show. I think that Carter himself has now realized that for the kind of arc-conspiracy he stumbled into it would be necessary to ACTUALLY plan it out before hand... The result of this realization is Millenium (which I have never really got into despite liking the cast A LOT more).
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WHAT EVER BECAME OF THE SHAPE SHIFTER IN THAT TWO PARTER WHEN WE FIRST SAW THE BEES. I BELEIVE THAT THE ROLE WAS PLAYED BY ROY THINNES. SP? HE WAS VERY INTEGRAL IN THE INFO IN THAT 2 PARTER THEN HE JUST BAILED ON MULDER WHEN THE BOUNTY HUNTER CAUGHT UP WITH HIM. THE GREYS ARE THE REBELS? AM I RIGHT? ALSO, WHY DOES KRYCHEK HAVE ALL HIS APPENDAGES? SORRY IF I SOUND DUMB BUT IF ANYONE CAN SHED LIGHT ON THESE QUESTIONS, ID BE MIGHTY GLAD
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First of all, I have to say this is the worst episode of the show I have seen. Worse than the terrible MOTW attempt, Terms of Endearment. The writing sucked, the concept sucked, the acting sucked...need I go on?
I have been a loyal viewer of the show since the beginning, and this excuse for an episode broke my heart. Carter is ruining the best thing to happen to episodic television since...since I don't know when. I take this episode almost as a personal affront to all the fans of the show who have stuck it out for 5 and a half years with Carter.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the humans lose the original fetal tissue sample when Scully stole it from Ft. Marlene? Back in "The Erlenmeyer Flask" she gave the tissue to Deep Throat, who then gave it to the aliens in exchange for Mulder? HOW much more blatant can you get when it comes to inconsistencies? Sorry folks, but it's not overlook-able. And what's up with Mulder suddenly not finding anything suspicious in a bunch of CDC men wearing decon suits who break down his door and do everything short of arresting him? That's just ridiculous. Not to mention his misplaced trust. All of a sudden, everything Scully says becomes null and void? What about the past 5 years?! And don't even try to tell me that Mulder chalks it up to jealousy. Bull.. Not to mention the horrible acting during the Mulder-CSM scene. So all of a sudden, Mulder places value on everything CSM says?! The only two characters who remained consistent were Scully and Krycek. Gillian Anderson got all of 5 minutes of screen time, and Krycek's was limited as well. I have said it before, and I will say it again: Gillian Anderson is wasted on this show. The writers almost never utilize her to her full potential. The only ones I have seen do it ever is the Wongs in "Beyond the Sea." I'll pause for a moment of silence for Morgan and Wong. Their presence is sorely missed.
So what happens now? We await colonization? Now that they know everything (or at least they know about the vaccine), why don't they simply kill us and take over, if they know they're going to win? Now that almost the entire Syndicate is dead, not to mention Cassandra (and possibly Spender, although we all know no one ever really dies on the X-Files), what's stopping them?
This was anything but "Full Disclosure." Carter should know better than to try and write anything that's as much of a hack-job as this "mythology" episode was. I never thought the day would come when I could lose so much respect for him in so short a time, but, well....here I am. -
The faceless rebels sealed their faces to prevent "purity" infection. As for rebels killing hybrids I don't think that is so. The rebels want the only hybrid so far, Cassandra Spender, to live because she may be their only chance to stomp the other nasty ass aliens. Is it just me or do some of the alien story lines remind me of the torched NBC show Dark Skies?
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There are only 2 ways that the conspiracy-arc could have stayed in the background.(1) Ms. Anderson could never have gotten pregnant. As a fan of hers and the show, thank God that that she did.(2) Mulder could be a bumbling, stupid, Barney Fife character who stumbles on to the answers like Bill Murray in "The Man Who Knew Too Little". Maybe that's the X-Files you want, but can you do me a favor and leave our show alone. There must be a B5 or "Outer Limits" chat room you can harrass.
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I watch the X-files to be entertained. Pure and simple. Those of you that are approaching this SHOW as some kind of life-altering event, might need to re-evaluate things. Tonight's episode probably wasn't the best ever and it wasn't the worst ever. I watched it and was entertained.
If watching a show like tonight's episode gets you so hot that you feel that you need to verbally attack Carter or the writers or anyone else involved with the show then maybe you just shouldn't watch anymore. Plain and simple. I've seen every episode from day one - I don't try to make it any more than it is. I will continue to watch it, let it remove me from the real world for an hour or so each week, and then just move on. If any of you want to make the perfect show, the do what Chris Carter did and get that show on the air.
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OK, enough of this "X-Files" bashing by so-called "fans." These episodes were "Full Disclosure," not "The End Of The Whole Show." Of course Carter and Co. were not going to have an end to the myth arc. They never said they would. They said they would give us the answers we were waiting for. And they did. And as far as getting rid of the myth arc and having more stand-alone shows...no way. "The X-Files" would have gotten stale (not to mention cancelled) long ago if it was just a "monster of the week" show. The myth is what got the show the cult following in the first place, and it's what keeps it intriguing. Yes, have some stand alone shows throughout the seasons, but the myth is why this show exists. Carter is doing some interesting things. He could have taken the easy way out with these episodes, but he's creating more questions and taking the show to a whole new level. By the way, to contradict what someone said above, this is NOT the last season. Next year is. So they have plenty of time to wrap up the myth arc (and I'm sure the writers will make it satisfying) and gear up for the movies. And, yes, Spender really is dead, BTW. Carter and the gang did that to tell viewers that even though CSM showed feelings, he was still an evil bastard. This is getting interesting: the Syndicate is dead (well, except for CSM and Krycek and Marita and now Fowley), the rebels are playing a bigger part, and the last season should be a winner. P.S. The reason why Strughold was not in the show is pretty obvious: he's played by a big-screen actor (Armin Mueller-Stahl) who obviously was too busy to do a TV show!
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i hope to be wrong about this, and i'm honest enough to admit i'll keep watching the show till it finishes. but i think chris carter has left his story with so many loose ends and backtracks and illusions that he's simply lost track of where he was going, and we'll never really have all the answers when the story comes to a close. i've got this nagging feeling all of us who want to understand how everything connects will feel like groucho did in that scene where chico kept selling him a new codebook so he could decipher the codebook he'd just bought. ice-a cream, getta your tootsie frootsie ice-a cream here...
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Certainly, tonight's episode was much more solid than the first installment. I'm not really referring to how much discloure there is, I'm talking more about the tension level. This episode had more juice and suspense for me than the x-files has had in a long time. There certainly is tremendous potential here. What I like is that we are on the verge of several developments that could redefine the series...and this reinvention could renew the nail biting tension that I've missed for a little while. Let me say that I'm a big X-Files fan, but last season's "Red and the Black" two-parter almost killed the mythology arc for me. I missed the passion of the first season. I missed the action/suspense of Anasazi and Duane Barry. Although I am excited about the new developments, there are still some trap doors the X-Files could fall into. I've always wondered how much of the story line Chris Carter has worked out in his mind and how long ago he did it. Sometimes, I wonder if he knows as much about the "truth" of the show as we do. Since he left open so many directions for the myth arc to take, I sometimes think he is just toying and doesn't really know the back story himself. Much like the man who wrote the story "The Lady or the Tiger" who claimed to not know the "true" conclusion (his point for writing the story was simply to pose the question). And don't get me wrong, I think CC is a GREAT writer...I just wonder if he's bluffing us or if he really has a Royal Flush in his hand? Does he have a solid idea where he's headed or are we just going to continue dancing around it? And let me say I love the dance...it is vastly entertaining...but when it comes time to up the ante, can he do it? If tonight's episode is any indicator, the answer is "yes"... The Marita C. stuff was chilling and great!!!! I loved her dramatic return!!! The Diana Fowley stuff was also good. My only other concern is for Mulder and his character's development in light of the new alien conspiracy stuff that's been revealed. I am pleased with the tension that is derived from the "alien invasion" idea. However, part of what makes Mulder so likeable is his childlike sense of wonder...his curiousity and his commitment to look at things with a unique perspective. There are elements of the Roy Neary character from Close Encounters in Mulder....that gift of being able to see possibilities and expand one's mind...in essence, hope. What has made the CSM and The Syndacite so evil is that they fail to see hope or have faith in any possibility other than failure and darkness. What I would like to see is Mulder hold onto this hope. In addition to the race of evil aliens, hellbent on colonizing the earth, is there a race of peaceful aliens?...There should be. They would represent the hope for contact with extraterrestrial races that many of us wonder about when we look up into the night's sky. Actually, why can't there be countless types of aliens out there? As many races as there are stars? Why only this evil race and a band of rebels? I think the X-Files is in a unique situation. Most TV series, books or movies would have to choose between an "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" horror kind of storyline and a "Close Encounters"/"The Abyss" hope/wonder kind of storyline. But I think the X-Files can have both IF they play their cards right. I mean, the premise of the x-files is vast possibilty, right? All I'm saying is that I love the tension of the invasion stuff...it was really nail biting...but don't forget that the possibility of extraterrestrial life is not just a frightening prospect...it is an exciting one as well. The X-Files is one of the only shows on TV to embrace cynicsm and hope with such equality. I just hope that the series is able to maintain that balance.
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First off =Trustno1=, you have nothing to be ashamed of with your post (it's SIGNIFICANTLY longer than 5 words, and NONE of those are Fuck and/or You). Now as for your arguments I CANNOT disagree more. Killing off the sindicate, not only fails to "pay off" any so-called arc, it assures that the conspiracy will be reformed AGAIN!! New players WILL be introduced (and what a coincidence now that the show is in LA, a whole new pool of actors are now available), and the tired old story will just keep on crawling... I wonder if the working title to this show was "the never ending story". Oh and Harris this Talkback USUALLY has room for dissenting opinions, I don't know what totalitarian regime YOU come from, but around here we ACTUALL HAVE DISCUSSIONS (well usually;-).
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just a minor bitch: In the earlier episodes, they sort of hinted towards aliens with lines line "forces bigger than you can imagine" and "some things you shouldn't know" which made the consipracy cool and unknowable. Now, they're blatantly saying things like "Alien rebels" and "black oil virus", "plague", so forth. Now, its kinda neat to know WHAT the consipracy is- having it explained kinda takes the wind outta its sails and makes it a little, well, goofy. I mean, seeing C.G.B. Spender (
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We all must keep in mind that this is a several-years-long TV series, not a mini-series. Therefore, I'm sure Carter did not know EVERYTHING that was going to happen from day one. So if you see something from the first season or the 15th episode of the 4th season that contradicts something that is happening now, don't freak out. Just enjoy the ride.
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For Rubba-The purity got to Stevie through his feet in "fight the future", it would seem that it can enter through pores. Therefore it seems only logical that they rebel want protection from the blood gas---Remember, the grey aliens want Cassandra alive and the rebels want her dead.---------For Seraph-Only an occasional X-Phile would assume that Scully could get out of a top-secret base like Ft.Marlene fith the alien fetal tissue. All we saw was a parcel. As =Trustno1=said earlier,lies within lies. Very interesting.
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I really think im on to something here.... Why else would she be protecting.... Her father (Caner Man)?
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That would be interesting, but I think you're overthinking here! Remember, Fowley and Mulder dated years ago. And if she is his sister...I mean, Carter has done some shocking things, but I don't think incest would be one of them!
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First off the "conspiracy" HAS been an on the fly sorta deal. Proof positive is the Movie which was sandwiched by the little telapathic kid and Diana Fowley but made no mention of them (It was ONLY filmed a year in advance). Now for those who say, "But, you can't expect a writer to plan out A WHOLE series in advance?" You're damn right I can, the cost of having an arc is nowing EXACTLY what is happening and WHERE it is going, and on that level Chris Carter has failed miserably... HOWEVER since I have been bashing the X-files for a little while now, I must say that IT HAS BEEN a canvas for some clever writers to do some INTERESTING things. The episode with the Cher lovin' monster in black and white, and the World War 2 Boat episode WERE quirky AND fun, not to mention VERY well written, BUT with such an intense "Doomsday" storyline going on it is mind-boggling and inconsistent that M&S should even care, at this point. A TV series is NOT like a movie, if you wish to have an over-arching story, it MUST be well planned, AND CANNOT be "put aside" whenever convenient... You cannot have your cake (a strong Arc driven show), and eat it too (an anthology series). END OF SPEECH
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Don't you hate it when some punk who is desperae for attention and feedback and has no clue what he's talking about will post something negative just to get a rise out of fans? Get over yourselves. There are some real fans out here-ones that have watched the X-Files from Day One. We get it. You don't. We enjoy it. You don't. Resolution? Stop complaining and turn the channel-because we're having a blast. I think Touched By An Angel is on for the rest of you geeks.
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=Trustno1=: I think that's the way it should be viewed - I'm in complete agreement with you. I just find it odd that so many people decide to verbally attack those associated with the show instead of just TURNING OFF THE TV! If they dislike it that much and it causes them that much discomfort, they should just not watch. I've put down many books mid-way through because I just couldn't take any more of it.
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Oh please, shut up? Oh please, shut up? That's the best a dedicated X-phile can do to argue his point? Ouch, that's swift, I've heard of people who aren't exactly the sharpest knife in the drawer... but I've never met a spoon before...
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im now seeing the obvious differences between sci-fi geeks and other people, lets say sports fans for example. a sports fan is expected to criticize his team when it underperforms. but a sci-fi geek, you criticize his beloved show and youre some desperate "punk" who should simply change the channel. hey, brains, if everyone that found reasons to criticize the show changed the channel, it wouldve gone off the air a few years ago.
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It doesn't take much inteloligence to get to the point. And it takes no inteligence on your part to prove my point for me. Of course, if you need and more coercing I could just kick your scrawny little behind from here to next week, chump. Get lost geek.
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First of all, lemmie say that, for keeping its quality consitently high as it goes on, the X-Files is still good at that. Look at DS9 or B5 for shows that died in thier later seasons (PERSONAL opinion as an example, folks, lets not get off this topic) The episodes are still exciting, however, even a die-hard fan can notice the things that the series has been missing that it had before. What? well, like I said before, I miss the vauge half-truths and enegmatic half-answers. Hell, I just miss Deep Throat and X. I liked the shadowy meetings in the dark. When was the last time we saw Mulder put that X-tape on his window? I always thought that was a nice touch. #2: the older "Mythology" episodes had kinda a better structure. Example, "Daune Barry". That was a tightly written, hostage ep. that had consipracy ELEMENTS in it in the background, which added to the excitement. Now, its mostly, "lets tell everybody everything and then blow something up after awhile." #3. When the X-Files started, it was sorta a mix of "Cop show/Sci-fi Show". now with everybody saying the word "Aliens" every 5 minutes, its lost that first aspect. #4. Just saying "Aliens" and "colonization" just sorta admits it and makes it a little goofy.
Now, onto the good stuff- Pluses: with age, I think CSM has become and AMAZING character! He just blew his own son's head off! That was uber-friggin'-cool! This is a great character arc. They shouldn't keep him around for movies, he should die in the last episode as sorta revenge for his sins (what did he do in the movie, anyway? Just stand around a puff a bit) #2: This sorta goes against what I said before, but, the consipracy, is big and epic, like they promised. I like that. I just don't like how they just can't keep thier damn mouths shut about it. #3- This show CAN still shock and be cool. Torching the syndicate! Wow, that was neat! #4. The stand-alone ones have been great and still are pretty good. I LOVED the Chirstmas one they had and the body-swapping 2 parter.
All in all, while the X-Files has lost some of its mysterious edge, it has gotten better. Just a little goffier.
PS- I wanna see Strughold at least around for 1 episode. They should shell out the greenbacks to have him in a few.
PPS- they're gonna wrap the consipracy up on the show, folks. CC has addmitted that the next movie will be more like the standalone ones. -
Mulder wasn't married to Fowley!
DD wore his wedding ring as a stunt in that episode to see what kinda reaction he'd get -
Also if you're going to attack the X-Files for not being original-you might not want to have an AOL email account, Mr. Bandwagon.
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I agree with you Tall Boy (about B5 (season5) and DS9, and I agree that the show WAS more mysterious early on, I guess that's what I liked about it... It seemed more PLAUSIBLE (not realistic) that way... I guess goofy sci-fi just aint my thing...
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hey, Dolfanar, im starting to get email now too! agent davis just sent me a letter asking where i live so he can beat my dweeb ass...hehehe i live near detroit by the way
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I can't comment on the episode as I haven't seen it yet. But I am following these posts with great interest.
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Well, this was a solid enough episode. In my opinion, it did what was promised. They said that the Conspiracy would end tonight and it did end in a way. The Syndicate is dead, and all that's left in terms of a group of people that M&S have left to fight are Fowley, CSM, Krychek, and Strughold. And then there is the question of Krychek's loyalties. That is the biggest question I pulled out of this episode. And, in the biggest plus for me, Skinner didn't get killed. I really didn't want to see him die. He's one of the cooler characters.
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I rewound the tape and still wasn't sure, but did or did not Cassandra Spender say to CSM, "He has to die or they all die" in the scene in the operating room? The emphasis is on HE, meaning their son. Is this a new mystery? This is when CSM gets emotional and she has told him he cannot save Jeffrey. Who is "they" if that is what she said? Is this why CSM (apparantly) kills his son?
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Good Question... had you asked me last week, I would have liked to have seen a real acceleration of the whole "colonization" thread something heading towards I guess a confrontation (not necessarily war) between M&S and the people utlimately behind the whole shebang... the Colonists. But now? I'm not sure I really care anymore... I suppose I'd like to see some more innovative little stories, and to keep Carter as far away from the show as possible...
PS Tielesin you're in Detroit, eh? Are you *sure* you wan't to *reveal* that info? *chuckle* Actually were ALMOST neighbours (I live in Montreal, and I have a brother just over in Windsor).
PPS Oh and I guess Agent Davies IS just like a Spoon... When you manhandle him he get's bent out of shape *LOL*;-) -
Briefly, I liked the two episodes, #2 more than #1. I did not want all the answers, just enough of them to take the arc to the next level. I thought Carter achieved that. I do agree that the arc would be better if it had been thought out from the beginning, but everything is not B5. I have one big question. Who exactly are the rebels, what are they rebeling against and how did earth become the focal battleground? The syndicate seemed to take a resistance is futile approach and refuse to join the rebels. Is this an out of the frying pan into the fire situation?
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(try that again ...)
If the rebel aliens have to seal up every orifice (and I'm assuming that means ones we don't see as well), how the hell can they walk around without bumping into things, hear things from far away, and breathe?
I guess I'm the lone 'shipper in the group, but I just don't understand why Mulder leaves Scully in the dust as soon as Fowley waltzes in ... even as it's evident she's been smoking with the Man. It doesn't make sense that he'd abandon her -- after all, he abandoned who he thought was Samantha, even though she turned out to be a clone, to save her once years ago.
And while I'm asking, does anyone else feel like Scully's beginning to look like a total moron, ignoring the alien evidence all around her just to keep her scientific stance? And if she goes over to the alien way of thinking, why should she stay on the show?
One last thought: was Cassandra Spender pregnant before or after she was abducted in 1973? Could Spender have been a true alien-human hybrid? And if so, he didn't die when he was shot ... he just absorbed the bullet, oozed some green goo, and lived to see another day. -
I liked part 2. I was glad neither skinner nor CSM were killed. But can someone please explain something to me? What gives with these alien rebels? Are they shapeshifters or not? Sometimes they're shown morphing from one guise to another; other times they're seen wearing these hokey-as-hell "human suits." Consider the scene where the rebel follows the doctor into one of the labs. The doctor struggles with the rebel, disguised as a nurse, he tears off the mask and sees the faceless rebel inside. He screams, and next we see the "doctor"---obviously the rebel--leaving the room. If this rebel could shapeshift, why was he wearing the nurse mask? Since I find it hard to believe the rebel entered the room with an already prepared doctor mask, I have to wonder what happened here. Did I miss something, or was this just sloppy writing? Oh well, still a suspenseful episode. By the way, to address a couple of earlier posts, the roy Thinnes alien was killed by the bounty hunter in part 2 of that episode (it wasn't shown, but was implied); Also, three cheers for those of you who had nice things to say about the Outer Limits. Thought I was the only one who had discovered what a great series this is.
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Feb 15, 1999 12:04:26 AM CST
You have to realize, it was NEVER supposed to be a REVELATION ep
by ottney
This episode was designed to EXPLAIN! Nothing more. Over the past 5 or 6 years, the mythology has become hard to follow, esspecially when they only drop one or two clues per season. So Chris Carter thought it was best to summarize and clear it up for everyone before he could move on. Otherwise, people would say it's incomplete. So he summarized and filled in most of the blanks. In the process we saw some cool stuff, like Mulder sympathizing with the CSM, the death of Jeff Spender, the first Alien/Human hybrid, Diana Fowley...BAD GUY, and the return of Mulder/Scully to the X-Files (ok, it wasn't SAID, but we assume now that Spender & Fowley are off, Mulder & Scully are back)!
So, Don't everyone get too pissed. This episode served it's purpose and entertained at the same time. I loved it! -
I knew if I waited long enough this talk-back would degenerate into the usual name-calling and insults.... sad that ppl cant just say "i liked it" or "i hated it" and leave it at that, but oh well. Frankly I've been getting more and more let down by the conspiracy episodes every year, but this last one has been a definite improvement. The Syndicate is out of the way now, and I think putting that aspect of the "conspiracy" to rest opens up more possibilities, as well as creating a greater mystery with regard to the remaining characters. Im pretty interested in seeing what CSM does now that he doesn't have the Syndicate behind him... his motives don't seem so clearcut now, and that's a good thing. Also , the alien colonists as well as the rebels are still pretty secretive as far as their motives go... sure, we know the aliens want to colonize earth, but why? that's still a mystery. And what about the rebels' motives? Are they trying to protect humanity or are humans just pawns in some greater battle? Personally, I agree that X-files works best when less is known, and hope we don't see alien battles and more "explanation" in future episodes. We've had enough explanation, let's get back to some more confusion and mystery. This episode definitely makes it possible to change the direction of the story, and I'm hoping it does so, not that the conspiracy storyline was bad, but its run its course and now its time for something new. As far as Mimi Rogers being Mulder's sister... don't do it. They already came close enough to the Star Wars family inbreeding storyline when CSM was hinted at as possibly being Mulder's father... wisely they backed off of that, at least temporarily (and hopefully permanently). we don't need to see the X-Files version of Luke/Leia.
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Talitha makes one of the best points yet about the possibility of J. Spender being a true alien hybrid. If J. Spender had been around in '73, wouldn't the aliens have taken him? It would definitely explain why C. Spender said he had to die.
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I agree totally with every point made by an earlier post, "Spender".
It seems to me like Cassandra and CSM both knew Spender had to be killed.. and it appears that CSM finally mustered the courage to do it. (Although you can never be sure in X-files if you don't actually see the body..)
BUT WHY?! I guess that's the mystery they meant to leave: Spender seems completely and utterly harmless. And it certainly seems that Spender himself even thinks he's harmless, as indicated by his surprise that CSM pulled a gun on him.
So my guess is that Spender has had experiments done on him, or perhaps might even be a semi-alien child or something to begin with.
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Well let me first say that i happen to enjoy the presence on this board of those who disagree either with the way the show has panned out or with another's opinion. How boring would it be if we all sat around and agreed with each other? For the record I happen to enjoy the way the show has evolved and look forward to future stories and story lines. this, however, does not mean that i loathe the presence of those who don't.
now as for the blonde lady, she is Marita Covarubias, an employee of the UN. whom mulder was directed to by X, the now deceased heir to Deep Throat's role as Mulder's secret informant. The fact that he is deceased is why we haven't seen mulder put the masking tape on his window (for those who have pointed this out).
it would seem that CSM saw impending doom come to the door and then boogied, but i think he set them all up this is why he had Fowley drive in to the hangar instead of her being present with all the rest with luggage in hand. Too, i believe, this is why he handed mulder the location of the supposed
place of rescue; to eliminate the person who could possibly thwart CSM's future victories sans the constraints of the sindicate.
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Oops.. Silly me for not reading the previous posts before posting.
Now that I HAVE read the previous Spender-related posts, I still have a point to make:
If Spender is part alien and bleeds green, wouldn't he know that already? I mean, if he were a kid and scraped his knee while biking, he'd notice green goo...
The thing is, when CSM pulled his gun, Spender looked totally surprised.. as if he doesn't know what's going on. And if he's part alien, he'd probably know that. -
All I'm saying is, why would both Cassandra and CSM insist that Spender had to die unless he was something even more threatening than Cassandra's being a hybrid? It gives one pause. As for Fowley Most Foul, I think she's been in bed (perhaps literally) with CSM since before she snared Mulder eight years ago. Mulder's pretty hopeless when it comes to women -- still thinks of himself as President of the A/V Club in spite of designer duds and plenty of gray t-shirts -- so he'll hang onto her until Scully mercifully shoots her.
Another theory about how all the aliens fit together. The black oil is Stage One in the metamorphosis process. The scary aliens needing a manicure from the movie are Stage Two, then they molt (as one did in the nuclear power plant) and turn into the more mature, scheming Grays that have skittered across our screens throughout the series. Then there are random aliens -- the Brethren, the cockroaches (!) and now the rebels -- who are stopping by Earth, too. Any thought? -
Why has no one brought up the obvious? The most important part of the episode was OBVIOUSLY the shower scene with Scully!!! I'd surely go through a CDC decontamination procedure just to be stuck in a shower room with her. Did anyone else notice the 'quick look down' that Mulder gave her?
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(this may be posted twice ... sorry for the duplication if so...)
All I'm saying is, why would both Cassandra and CSM insist that Spender had to die unless he was something even more threatening than Cassandra's being a hybrid? It gives one pause. As for Fowley Most Foul, I think she's been in bed (perhaps literally) with CSM since before she snared Mulder eight years ago. Mulder's pretty hopeless when it comes to women -- still thinks of himself as President of the A/V Club in spite of designer duds and plenty of gray t-shirts -- so he'll hang onto her until Scully mercifully shoots her.
Another theory about how all the aliens fit together. The black oil is Stage One in the metamorphosis process. The scary aliens needing a manicure from the movie are Stage Two, then they molt (as one did in the nuclear power plant) and turn into the more mature, scheming Grays that have skittered across our screens throughout the series. Then there are random aliens -- the Brethren, the cockroaches (!) and now the rebels -- who are stopping by Earth, too. Any thoughts? -
What alot of people on here have forgotten is that everyone has their own personal opinion and is entitled to that opinion.While I don't agree with you on alot of your points Dolfanar I can respect that it is your opinion, what I can't respect is the mean spiritness you seem to have. You have constantly trashed Chris Carter as a writer but then praise one of the episodes he wrote. I assume you were talking about triangle when you mention the world war 2 boat esp. that was fun and quirk and well written. I think I am correct when I say that Chris Carter both wrote and directed that episode. Please get your facts straight Dolfanar. While I agree that the show has had it's ups and downs I still love it and I feel that it is still one of the best and most interesting shows on television. And to me the sixth season has been a breath of fresh air after the mostly weak fifth season. There have been so many standouts this season like the two part dreamland, the aforementioned triangle, the beginning and Full Disclosure. I do not think what happened tonight has destroyed the series , I really think there is several different ways it could go and will go and I can't wait to see what is going to happen. Yes alot of the mythology is confusing and some of it probably won't ever be explained but that is what keeps me watching to see where the arc is going to go next. People keep comparing the myth. arc of the x-files to B5. I don't think that is fair , Babylon 5 was not the norm, most shows do not plan out ahead of time the whole story of the five years. I think Carter along with his writers is doing a great job of keeping the myth. arc interesting. Sure there have been some bad calls along the way but that can be said of any show. Dolfanar I can't understand why you are still watching if you despise the show and it's creator that much. But that is just my personal opinion I could be wrong :)
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Taliesin, you're exactly right. SFTV is the only genre I know in the entire world of entertainment where people react so rabidly against any sort of criticism. Never mind there are two forms of criticism: constructive and destructive, and the first implies you want things to get better and have cared enough to think of ways to do it. If you are one of those people who say "F--- you, if you don't like it don't watch" when people express dissatisfaction over an episode or ten, try this. Log on to some chats or newsgroups about non-SF shows, perhaps "Law and Order," "The Simpsons" or some British comedy. Pick a college or pro sports team and see what happens to the naysayers when they naysay. Most times, honest commentary ensues, not this hatred and penny-ante swearing. Case in point: Remember "Lois & Clark"? I was a big fan for 2 years, then some new producers came on board in the third season and the show went to hell. Despite my loudly praising any good episode that happened to make it on air that third year, the slightest hint of dissatisfaction met with "If you don't like it, don't watch!!" People just didn't get that I liked the show once, and wanted to again, but hated what these idiot producers were doing to it... So come on, children, I don't agree with all of Dolofonar's points either, but what on Earth is the point of attacking him for expressing his opinion?
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I know calling myself a 'shipper is like uttering a vile curse around here, but why on earth is Mulder choosing anyone over Scully? With all they've been through together, he is going to believe some chick he dated a long time ago over his Scully, the woman he almost kissed in the movie after he poured his heart out, the woman he told I love you to in Triange and the woman whom he has saved countless times from death and who has done the same for him? He and Fowley must have more of a history together than we've been told. And I for one appreciated the shower scene - it shows how comfortable M & S are together, hell Mulder's already seen Scully naked anyway. I don't want them to get together but I appreciate the few bones CC throws to 'shippers every now and then.
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I agree with Sandman. It seems those who bash the show so consistently are only watching it to hate it. Why inflate their egos by letting them get a rise out of you? We like the show, they don't. Now who do YOU think is wasting their time?
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Full Disclosure was, by and large, fairly successful. Poor Spender, biting the bullet just as I was beginning to like him... Wish he had stayed on to become Mulder and Scully's "go-to" guy.
For example: MULDER "Spender, check out that dark cave across the road, okay? There's a good lad". SPENDER "But there are funny noises coming from that cave!" SCULLY "And if you don't hurry, you'll never find what's making them... Hurry! Chop- chop!"
But seriously, folks, we now know that the Syndicate and their families were crispified... or were they? What we got was a picture of bodies, arbitrary, unspecified. I didn't see a stretcher there either, leading me to believe that the rebels were more selective than we might think. So what if Syndicate members were taken hostage, as opposed to just being slaughtered, while family members were butchered? It's a safe bet that Cassandra Spender got out alive, if only to be tortured a bit more. Now it appears that we may get some more stand-alone episodes, and let's hope they're not goofy comedy episodes but solid, make-you-drop-logs shows. The problem: with all the new events, will stand-alones fit in comfortably, or will it seem forced; suspend the fact that you're in the midst of a new storyline here while Bigfoot awaits. I hope that it works out because, in spite of a weak start to this season, this batch has somewhat redeemed the show's credibility as the creepiest show on TV (in a close second: The Pretender's hair... What is up with THAT?) -
Having seen the show since the
beginning (and lurking here for
awhile as well) I wanted to
throw in a quick two cents.
I've always preferred the arc
stories to the stand-alones,
whether they are beginning planned
on the fly by CC or not they have
been mostly well-done.
Last night WE were not necessarily
given "Full Disclosure", THAT was
for the characters, especially
Mulder. He is in a situation that
is particularly challenging and
Duchovny is lucky to be able to
play such a conflicted character
hope he can pull it off.
The main point I wanted to make is
that, from what I saw of the preview it appears they are going
back to business as usual and investigating a new X-file.
I find this to be absolutely ridiculous in light of the events of the past two weeks. Aren't there other people who can investigate the creature-features? We saw all of this stuff for the first 3-4 years. It was GREAT, but haven't Mulder
and Scully learned and become part
of something a little bigger and
more important than "Bigfoot of the Week?"
It strains credibility that these two would not spend every waking hour working to uncover the conspiracy/stop the invasion/form
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Who in their right mind spends all their time talking about a show they don't like?? I can't stand shows such as 90210, Walker Texas Ranger, or Touched by an Angel. Do I spend my time watching them or discussing them in chat rooms? Hell no, I have better things to do. People like those shows and it's their right. Xfiles is one of the very few shows I watch because I think most TV shows are boring. Chris Carter can't write the perfect show every week. He can't make everybody happy every week. But as it was said before, this is his ride, and if you don't like it, get off. Only he can control what twists and turns are coming up. The chemistry between Duchovney and Anderson is worth watching for any episode in my opinion. People complain that there are too many answers, not enough answers, etc. The Xfiles is one of the best shows on television ever, and if you don't like it, watch something else. There are millions and millions who enjoy it every week and will continue to do so. You switching to the NBC Sunday movie of the week won't hurt the show. Or you can spend your time developing the perfect show so everybody will be happy.
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I would have to say that I am very disappointed in this episode. So that you know how to evaluate what I say, let me tell you that I like BOTH conspiracy and non-conspiracy episodes. My favorite episode is "Clyde Bruckman's Final Repose," but I also enjoyed the movie quite a bit. I thought the first half of this episode (last week) was very good. I like "What has gone before..." type of episodes, where everything is summarized (either for us or the characters) and the important points are reiterated, so you know where the rest of your story is going. All of this was done perfect.
The problem was the second half of the episode. It was (to put it politely) crap. A better writer might have made a difference, but I think the problem is in the past. Unlike Stracynski on Babylon 5, or Whedon on Buffy, or Williamson on Dawson's Creek, Chris Carter has not had a clear well-thoughtout story from day one. He just kept coming up with really cool stories, never really bothering to connect them. In fact, that has been one of the best parts. The connections are hinted at from time to time, giving us the big conspiracy behind the curtains, but we never get to see it. However, since we didn't have to see it, Carter never figured it all out. Until one day, he realized that he would eventually have to sort all of this out. Big mistake.
When he started trying to form a cohesive story, he realized that it was not easy. He should have stopped at that point. Or gotten a better writer. One that is good at taking a mess and fixing it. What we ended up with is still a mess, sort of, and it wasn't enjoyable to watch. Most everyone was out of character (with a few exceptions, but the exceptions didn't get much screen time). Plot holes abounded. There was no logic to any of the plans (because the plans were not thought of until Carter needed a way to explain everything that had already happened).
Well...I'm tired of this. I could go on and on, with long explanations for what I thought was wrong with each scene, but why? It doesn't matter anymore. Its done. Chris Carter has decided to give us a new ground zero from which to operate. The show can still be wonderful. It has proven that many times. If he now has a story that he is trying to tell instead of making stuff up, everything will be fine. If not, we will slowly work our way back to this point.
Some people don't like "reseting" everything to ground zero. Getting a fresh start. I don't really like it either. A GOOD writer can tell a good story without resorting to this. But its done. I do enjoy the show in general. I like the characters. I want to see more good stories. If this is what it takes for Chris Carter to give us those good stories, we have to live with it. Or go watch something else.
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What an unreal coincidence that no sooner do I make a post about the "if you don't like it don't watch" brigade than the post right after mine, from Sandman, is exactly one of those. And he cusses and types in all caps from time to time and generally makes himself look far more infantile than Dolo-wossname, who doesn't like the show much. Here's a wild idea: if you don't like someone's opinion, why not ignore them? If people lambasting the show cause you so much grief and frustration that you have to respond, then you are taking this show far too seriously. I don't agree with Dolo, but I sure don't treat him like some kind of antiChrist figure like some of you are doing. He has obviously taken the time to watch the show, and he *wants* to like it, otherwise he'd just ignore it, like another poster mentioned about, say, "Walker Texas Ranger." Since you don't like the show and do not care that it gets better, you ignore it completely. Since Dolo doesn't like "The X Files" but he wants it to get better, he complains. By creating constructive criticism, he is doing a far greater service to Carter & Spotnitz than all the syncophatic yes-men who agree with every single thing the show does.
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Yeah, I agree. How the heck can Scully and Mulder go back to investigating monster of the week mysteries when the events of the last two weeks have occurred? For better or worse, Carter should concentrate on the myth arc a lot more. I mean, he has to! This is possible invasion here, and the deaths of the syndicate and Spender! I won't believe it if they go back to investigating cults and fluke monsters and vampires, making jokes along the way! :)
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We should remember that M&S still work for the FBI. Their job is once again the X-Files. They may know whats going on, but Skinner still hasn't seen it and neither has the other superior(I forget his name). Until CC deems it necessary for Skinner to know whats going on, or he(CC) decides to remove M&S from the FBI we will continue to have monster and mythology stories. I for one am ok with that.
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...be careful because with the number of complaints you have about the show it's a wonder how you can possibly say ill of those others who express very similar opinions... As for people using other "product" analogies (Sports, Furniture, automobiles, Tax rates), it is a lost cause, it appears obvious that the geeks calling the X-philes mantra of "Don't like it, don't watch it" have very little concept of the world outside their TV sets... The X-files IS PRODUCT, some is good, some is bad, critisism IS THE ONLY way for PRODUCT to get better. To follow YOUR logic, we should all still be running 8086's, paying homage to Queen Elizabeth, and sending our Slaves off to fetch us drinks. I respect those who like the show AND their opinions EVEN if they think it's going fine, ESPECIALLY when the reasons are WELL ARTICULATED, I ALWAYS try to give articulated REASONS for liking or not liking something, BUT I DO GET MEAN SPIRITED when someone, or several someones, post for the SOLE REASON of attacking me personally (especially when the attempts are SO INEPT)... So there you are, I show respect to those who show me it... and to those who don't, you sew what you reap...
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Now as for watching to "enjoy" the chemistry between Duchovny and Anderson... I don't think so, THEY HATE EACH OTHER, that's why they have BARELY had any sceens together ALL seasons, which is one of the reasons I would have liked to see a MAJOR cast change... Duchovny wants to do movies and Anderson wants more screen time... Give'em what they want... Oh, BTW, unlike YOURS MY screen name ISN't unpronouncable (Dolo?) ;-)
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The syndicate is not dead. There are hundreds of them. Including the republicans and the democrats. They are the ILLUMINATI! Chris Carter works for them to inform each and everyone of us that there is a real threat out there. x-files is an education, a sort of metaphor to what's really going on! Love it or hate it, people must be educated. I am sending this message to tell everybody about the ILLUMINATI. They will kill me soon so open your eyes to the real threat...The ILLU
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SCULLYLOVER! ARE YOU STILL WITH US MAN! they've killed ScullyLover... YOU BASTARDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'm very surprised to see that you guys aren't all over the one thing(except, of course, for Mulder's quick peak down) I was screaming about during the episode, Mulder's loyalties. The episode would have you believe that Mulder has taken up CSM's quest now or, at least, that he's willing to let it happen. What are we to think of this? I'm all amuddle. The two-parter has told me all I want to know about the conspiracy in as far as what's going on, but the sides--who's the bad guy? Is Carter really justifying CSM, making him the sensible one whose methods we might not condone? We all feel an instinctive love for the rebels but why are they always presented so menicingly? And what are they after? What do they care if we get dead? Where is there an invested interest for them? And Mulder, what the hell is up with him? He has found the truth, his quest--what does he do with it now? All I know now is that Scully and the Lone Gunmen and Skinner--these are good guys. But for everyone else--the blacks and whites are damned muddy. And on a personal gripe--I know that Carter can't simply make every episode conspiracy related and most of you wouldn't want it that way anyway, but how the hell are Mulder and Scully supposed to get back to routine X-files when they're fully aware of eventual colonization? How do you go back to a silly swamp monster or whatnot when all will be layed to waste anyway?
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"Trust no one", Dolfanar can take care of himself. Nobody should be offended by anything posted here. Dolfanar was attacking the show pretty hard. He keeps saying he'd rather watch this or that. Well, all I had to say was GO WATCH THOSE SHOWS! He seems to have lost interest in the show which is fine. But to watch it just to trash is is a waste of somebody's life. I'm just encouraging him to find something he likes to do. The Xfiles is far from perfect. But to expect shows that make everybody happy every week is ludicrous. Just look at the posts...some want the monster of the week, some just want mythology episodes. People think that just because episodes are a week apart, they should continue with last weeks episode. Well, we don't know how much time has passed. And Dolfanar, to deny the onscreen chemistry between Mulder and Scully is almost funny...almost. Who cares if they hate each other in real life. TV and Movie critics have all commented on the chemistry between the two. Just about every cast member hates William Shatner, but that didn't matter on screen. You can dislike the show all you want, but to say there's chemistry lacking on screen is way off base.
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didn't realize that my last rant about going back to monster episodes was already addressed, but still, M&S have never really been constrained by their job title, they break protocol every week. Why would Skinner have any effect on what M&S do.
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I HOPE this will be the last post about Talkback ettiquette (Glenn if you're around a refresher FROM YOU would be nice)... I HAVE been pretty critical about the half-assed job Carter has done with the shows conspiracy arc, to repeat I have critisized THE SHOW, not you, or anyone else, YOU and those like you have dedicated ENTIRE POSTS for the SINGLE PURPOSE of INSULTING ME... Now as for chemistry between D&A, it has been well documented that neither like each other, and it cannot be disputed that they have shared only the barest of screen time this season, so to the guy who said it's worth watching the X-files ONLY to enjoy the chemistry between D&A, I disagree...
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Please offer up your rants about Monster eps. there's room for more than one opinion(I wouldn't want to be accused on being from a totalitarian regime). Besides I wanted to thank you for pointing out Mulder's wayward eyes in the shower. It shouldn't go unmentioned that the lovely Scully is just as guilty. What a great X-Files moment!
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Is it just me or did anyone else think that next weeks show looks alot like the return of the creature from "ICE"? I know this creatures a lot bigger and stuff but look at the similarities of what they look like and where they come from. A possible "ICE 2"? Who knows. Anyone else agree?
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I hate the enter button.
O.K., I'm not going to even attempt to crack the 'hate it/love it' argument, interesting points abound from both sides. I just have a weird thought. CSM says to Spender something to the effect of 'You suck, Bill Mulder's son doesn't (I'm paraphrasing), then cut outside the office and BANG! Them CSM leaves the office. What if CSM didn't kill Spender, but is actually setting him up to be the next in line to become a hybrid. Kind of a "it hurts me more than it will hurt you" sort of thing. Think about it, you didn't see him dead, CSM just pulls some strings and gets a few of his 'doctors' to start the process new again. This would also make Spender become the success his father had always wanted him to be, in a very sick and twisted sort of way. -
FYI transcripts of all the x-files eps can be found at http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/dakota/281/xfscript.html. This week's probably won't be until Wed or Thurs, but hey, at least it won't take six months to get your fix!
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Well I thought the episode was
pretty good and that we learned
alot of what the Syndicate was
hiding.But I find it hard to
believe that Mulder would just
sit around and do nothing.I also
wouldn't trust Diana Fowely
because when her and Mulder were
hugging there was absolutely
no emotion in her eyes.I liked
how Agent Spender told Kersh
that Mulder should be running
the X-Files because he might
have been able to prevent what
happened.I also liked how Mulder
told Kersh he knew about this for
years and no one believed him
when he tried to warn everyone.
I'm glad Agent Spender is off
the show because he was a hinderance to Mulder and Scully,
even though in the end he became
a true believer I don't think
he would've been able to help
Mulder except for Moral support. -
Feb 15, 1999 11:56:49 AM CST
no, it almost IMPOSSIBL:E for Jeff Spender to be an alien (even
by ottney
The way I see it, this whole abduction thing took place 25 years ago, and Jeff looks a little older than 25, so I assume he was born BEFORE this all happened; therefore he is 100% human. Besides, even if he WAS born after, Casandra just now became a hybrid, so 25 years ago, she was as human as you and me. Also, if he had been an alien, the CSM would have died from the green ooze fumes when he shot him, and he didn't. So, NO...Spender is not an alien!
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Did anyone hear the same thing I did? CSM says "Fox made his father proud, like I hoped you would" (not exact words)then shot Spender. The way he said it still sounded like Fox could be his son.
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Thanks for the clarification harris... although I wonder about the rebels and the grey skins? I mean one of the coolest things about the show is you're never really sure about motivation and goals for any of the players. Even M&S. I think this applies to the rebels and grey skins too. Now that I've had a chance to sleep on it, go to work, and make a couple dimes to rub together I realize how much I enjoyed Part 2. For those who enjoy hacking, slashing, and burning others sit back take a valium and call (could've been a doctor) Scully in the morning. C.C. looking forward to the last year and a bit and the coming big screen adventures of M&S.
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You can nitpick all you want, but in the end, it was an epic, shocking, nailbiting episode of what is still the best-written show on television. Well done, Chris Carter, and thanks. Looking forward to finding out what happens to whatsisface, the telepathic kid...my favorite new character in years.
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I think that it's ABF (About F*&%ing Time) that Carter and the
rest of his cronies finally give us a little insight into just what the hell the show has really been about, considering that we've all waited 6 damned years, week in and week out. I don't care how good it was, how well it was acted. I thought the first part was very gripping, and the second rather 'deflating', but I beleve that the second part WAS suppose to be 'deflating'. We're right there alongside Mulder, depressed along with him, realising that mankind may just end. I felt for him, given the fact that he's devoted his life to finding out the truth, and now that he has, he is still giving his last ditch chance to change it all. Brave..
As far as mistrusting Scully's insight into that backstabbing brunette, yes - that was WAY out of charachter.
The heck with all of you fans who have to nitpick it and say it wasn't satisfying, because it's the two most INPORTANT episodes of the X-Files, ever. Perhaps not the best, but the most important. -
Don't worry scully lover. R. A. Wilson is still alive. You just have to go live in an underground bunker with the Michigan Militia like he is.....t.b.k.s.c.
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Attention, anybody in the Calgary area, seems as though William B. Davis is coming to UofCalgary (go dinos!!) for a lecture about the show, his character, and other stuff. It's on the 23rd at the MacHall Ballroom, git yur tixs now. Vive Canada and its actors!
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I think it is time for everyone to take a step back and look at what you are arguing about. IT IS A TV SHOW!!!!!!!!! IT IS NOT LIFE OR DEATH!!!!!!!!! One person likes the show and another does not. That has been the way it has always been and, hopefully, the way it will always be. If there were no disagreements on what is good than the world would be a very boring place. I enjoy discussions about T.V. and movies but sometimes people take it a little too seriously. The X-Files is a good show but, hopefully, you have a life away from the T.V. on Sunday nights. I consider myself a X-Phile but I do not live and breath it. If you do, I hope I don't offend you but, GET A LIFE!!!!!!!!! Next point: I think there were people on both sides of the issue who had preconceived ideas about this episode. Some people KNEW it would be good before they watched it and others KNEW it would be bad. This is inevitably but is still unfortunate. I would like to see as many people watch shows without deciding how it is before they see it. End rant. Have a nice day.
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You know what? I really like Full Disclosure parts one and two. RIGHT up until they killed Spender. I loved to hate him, and then he became more like a first season Mulder, and I just thought he was a cool character. I think that Chris Owens is a really good actor too. Likable one minute, wnana stab in the the back with a rusty spoon the next. That's good acting. I just have to say that I am pissed that they killed him off. I guess somebody had to get it though...
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SOMEBODY had to die... Why not Mulder? Now THAT would have been a shock... Imagine Mulder with Fowley at his side waiting in that circle just as the faceless rebels appear and close in... Mulder with the knowledge that giving up on his lifelong quest has led to his death... Later, still devastated by her loss and sworn to vengeance Scully is reassigned to work with Spender on the X-files... Now THAT would have been cool, then the events would have had some EMOTIONAL climax... emotion, the one thing absolutely absent in this episode, characters diyng left and right, stuff happening JUST for the sake of CONVENIANCE, so that Carter could REORGANIZE, NONE of the actors seemed to be in to it (except MAYBE CSM), no one really cared...
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It is a bit of a shame that we won't have Spender around anymore. I started off not liking the character much, but
damn if he didn't grow on me, especially as someone just wrote
he was becoming a believer gradually. Strange to see a character go through such an intense evolution, then 'die.' I
would say he'll be back, too much
time was spent on his reactions and such in these episodes.
Also regarding the Duchovny/Anderson animosity, I've
heard the rumours over the years. But as someone pointed out
above, they really HAVEN'T been
together much this season, and it
does stand out. Never thought this was the reason, but maybe so.
Finally, I'm still hoping that as
CC delves deeper into the conspiracy behind the invasion that will lead into the film series, that the invesigations can
continue on another show. Many
possibilities here, involving another team looking for the 'truth.' If you cast the right two people and set the series in
another (earlier) time period, it
would be an interesting thing. Also would satify peoples desires
for the show to be "like it used to." Just IMHO.
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If Mulder knows everything now. How is he suppost to devote the rest of his life, the remainder of his contract, to finding out the truth?
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Wasn't the whole Mytholigy episodes about Mulder finding out about the conspiracy. Now he knows it all. Right??
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...I'll get to that in a second. 1st, to go over some of the other talkbacks. As already confirmed, Well-Manicured Man (supposedly) died in the movie "Fight The Future" (personally, I think he did die); the pasty-eyed blonde virus girl is Marita, the "UNiblonde" ; the fetal tissue didn't COME from the same fort it was at in "One Son", it got to that place because Dana got it to Deep Throat who gave it to the conspiracy member in exchange for Fox (what member was kind enough to shoot DT dead); it was NOT the running duo (CSM & Fowley) who signaled anyone...the rebel disguised as the nurse did so in order to kill the USA conspiracy members in one group before the aliens the conspiracy is allied with (& the rebels fight against) *could* be signaled; CSM & Fowley ran because they could figure out something was horribly wrong (CSM is a survivor, and Fowley may just have followed his lead); as I said, those that died were part of the USA conspiracy...the Intl members (lead by Strughold) are still out there...and CSM can still work with them to achieve his ends and rebuild the USA contingent of the syndicate...HOWEVER, that is NOT the "New Conspiracy" I spoke of (it's coming, hold on!); the policy in older episodes to "kill any EBE on sight" probably comes from other issues...if the conspiracy's goal was to look to the Grey's like they are in cahoots with them while playing for time to find a weapon to fight with, then maybe the policy was meant to keep "spy" aliens from showing up and getting the goods on them...maybe other good reasons could be thought of; and NO!, we don't know that Agent Spender is dead. We saw a gun raised, heard a shot fired, and then saw CSM leave the room. So what? No blood, no foul. When CSM was shot we saw all SORTS of blood, but he didn't die! ................... ............. OKAY!! HERE IT IS! THE "NEW CONSPIRACY"!! IT IS OBVIOUSLY...Mulder and Scully! Do what? ........................ ....... We see a gun raised, heard a shot fired, and then saw CSM leave the room. Fade to black. The word "Epilogue" appears. Mulder is back at his basement desk, Scully setting up her very own first desk down there. The familiar poster is back on the wall. The door opens, and CSM walks in with no preliminaries. "Congratulations, Mr. Mulder. I see you've gotten everything you wanted. So when is your press conference?". Fox: "Press conference? For what?". CSM: "To tell the world the 'Truth'; isn't that what you always wanted to do?". Dana: "If the mass populace knew what we know, there would be mass panic. Chaos. It would be the end of civilazation as we know it." Fox (considering): "You're right. We *can't* go public with this. The hysteria it would create would be too much of a distraction, while we search for the weapons we need to fight these alien invaders." CSM: "Congratulations, Miss Scully, Mr. Mulder. You've just become...ME!"
Fox and Scully stare at CSM, who nods once at them, lights a cig, and exits. Have a nice day! -
Had THAT been then the last scene, MY opinion of the show would have been MUCH better... Irony, god I love irony...
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First of all, if Fowley was in with the Syndicate, then why the heck did they shoot her when they kidnapped the mind-reading kid? Secondly, I hope Scully and Fowley have a big dramatic scene at some point where they confront each other over Mulder. I also think it's a bit weird he discounted her so quickly, ESPECIALLY considering everything they've been through and she's actually not so skeptical anymore. Finally, if Agent Spender isn't dead, then this show is really getting ridiculous. CSM pointed a gun at his son, fired, then left. Who came back to take care of the body, if they never find it (argh, please nooooo), or if he didn't kill him, then anything that would happen next doesn't make any sense, I think. Overall, I thought it was a good show, but I think this whole storyline is getting a little goofy.
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The rebels and their enemy race of aliens are not the only two races shown so far, and probably will not be. Do I really have to remind you people of the perverted/sick episode of the Amish Sex Changing Aliens back in season 1, the invisible alien hunter being tracked by the gov't, the vampire town who don't drink blood (i am not sure if they are alien or just some genetic malformation like the Chernobyl creature. And why do we need to look for aliens in space, when they have already created genetically mutated human communities/indiv among us?
For the most part, I will admit I had stopped paying attention to the series when it started to claim that aliens were out there for real, because it seemed like a deviation from the original plot. But the last 2 eps got me back into the fold, and now that they stated that the aliens do exist, the entire premise of the show has changed to a greater context. And my interest in the show has been rejuvinated--I want to know what is up with CSM, the chick/agent who escaped with him, krychek, and the blond, and what happened to the members of the group who hadn't shown up. BUT THE MOST IMPORTANT THING I WANT TO KNOW IS WHAT HAPPENED TO THE BOUNTY HUNTER AND THAT HEALER/FACE CHANGER HE WAS hunting.
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That WOULD be cool. To see Mulder
and Scully have to perpetuate the
secrecy and in effect become co-
founders of a new syndicate is
a great idea. An alliance with
CSM would really make M + S a power unto themselves. It would
put Skinner in an interesting position....
Also as Dolfanar suggested, killing Mulder at the moment of
realization would have been the type of shocking blow that is promised but never (alas) delivered in situations like these. It goes without saying;
too many financial/marketing things tied up in this when "our"
show becomes a mass commodity.
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V rules!!!!! Did anyone else think there parents were lizards in human skin?
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Ok, this is like a day late, but I'm kind of disturbed by the whole conversation between CSM & Jeff Spender. One thing that bothered me is an apparent cahnge of heart in Mulder. CSM specifically says to to Spender: "Why couldn't you just revere your father the way he [Mulder] did me?" or something to that affect (didn't get a chance to tape the show, wil review a friend's tape for exact quote). But does that mean that Mulder has sided w/ CSM? I really hope not, because then all will be lost for mankind, and those who want to see the world invaded by the scheming grays will succeed!
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Has anyone else wondered where Mulder's mom was last night? If the families were all supposed to be there, wouldn't she be one of them? Wouldn't he think to call her and get her down there if he wanted to save her? Just a thought.
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Feb 15, 1999 10:55:00 PM CST
What REALLY happened in regards to the alien foetus and the doct
by paul nichols
I know that this is a really late answer to a question that is like halfway up to the top of the page but here it it. Joe Rockhead: It wasn't a mask of the doctor's face. It WAS the doctor's face. In the scene when Krycek comes into the lab where the alien foetus is stored and he discovers that it's missing he notices the body and sees that there is no skin on the face it's nothing but muscle. So the faceless rebels are not shapechangers nor do they use masks. They use the skin from the face of the person whose identity they wish to assume.
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Ok, here's your LAST warning...this post has MAJOR SPOILERS. It will reveal some storylines we will see before the series ends its run after next season. These are HUGE! They all came from a VERY RELIABLE source inside of FOX, who confided that in a recent meeting with Mr Carter, the following was mapped out and Fox plans a huge promotional for each episode! So be warned! Before the series ends after next season, we WILL see...
#1. Fox will be reunited with Samantha (who has no memory of the last 25 years), and discover the CSM is his father in an episode called "Family Matters"!
#2. Krycheck will be revealed as a member of the alien rebels (this is why he has his hand back now, it's not really him)!
#3. A major party involved in destroying Mulder's quest will be introduced soon, and be appointed the rank of Deputy Director of the FBI! This should slow him down, and is probably a major factor in the permanent shutdown of the X-Files division at the end of the next season!
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First, let me just say "thank you" to those of you who mailed me (and there were a lot of you) to correct me on my error, I appreciate it (I'm being serious here). On to the real reason for this post...
It's sad that the day finally came when I felt the need to post about the bitching that takes place between fans. I've been watching the show since the beginning; it was, and still is, the best thing on episodic television. That said, I think I'm allowed to criticize the show a little. For me, the quality of the show has decreased this season and last as far as mythology goes. The writing has gotten sloppy and inconsistent, although this may all be part of Carter's grand scheme, if he has one.
Because I know I've seen better in the past and because I think the episode was poorly done, it makes me not a loyal fan? Please. Grow up. How boring would it be for everyone to always think everything about the show is great? A sign of maturity is when you can discuss something without making it personal and when backing up your points. You actually can *learn* things that way. For people who only want to talk with "loyal fans" (meaning those who love the show always and never have any criticisms), I'd say you're a narrow-minded group of people.
I completely agree with those who've said this (I can't remember who said it first, sorry) sci-fi fans are immediately pounced on for criticizing anything, and it's ridiculous. Why shouldn't fans be allowed to show displeasure over something? Rather than proving themselves "disloyal" to the show, I think it expresses the fact that they do care, and that they're upset about the way things have gone. I know that's how I think of it. -
I though the second part was done OK, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it more had I not been playing Lazer Tag out in the woods and missed Part One last weekend. I thought the SHOWER SCENE was done very well, but as usual they did not show enough scully. I thought the look that scully gave mulder after he "sneaked a peek" was hilarious, and you know that scully snuck a few "peeks" herself. I also thought that it was unrealistic for Mulder to place *that* much trust in that whats-her-bitch old flame of his without ever really questioning her. I did like the scene where Mulder started going through her "under garments" but I am sort of confused why she would have a whole dresser full of playtime night-clothing. It was good to see Rat Boy again, he looks like he has been working out, now he looks like he could kick Mulder's ass with one reconstructed hand tied behind his back. I'm glad Spencer appeared to have his brains splattered on the wall by his father, I never did like him anyway.
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I LOVED THE SCREAMS FADING TO COMMERCIAL AFTER THE FACELESS REBELS TURNED THE TOASTY-RODS ON THOSE ALIEN-LOVING BASTARDS IN THE HANGAR!!
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Love it or Lump it. When personally, While it DID do what it promised (something that the movie didnt) it wasnt the most exciting 2-part episode of the X-files and it most likely wont be come a classic but thats OK. I'm happy that it revealed some things, much more so than when I left the theater. And to all of you out there who are saying "gee, durr, I wonder what the seventh season will be about because Chris Carter torched the syndicate" open your eyes, Gibson (that little psychic boy) and his pet rubber monster alien were not even MENTIONED. So grow a brain, how quickly everyone forgets about Gibson and the season 6x1 premiere. Gibson could be a young clone of CSM SPENDER(or Mulder!) he realized who or what he was before the syndicate was prepared, and that the (NEW) syndicate wants Gibson to continue CSM's work, wouldnt THAT be interesting? Thats my guess as to the "conspiracy" episodes next season and then it will continue into the movies. Ok most likely it's not, but at least **I** see several possibilities for developing this TV show into some VERY bitchin' movies and sequels!!
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Well, for all who have been asking about thse morphing/wearing masks rebels, I think the answer is really quite simple. When the aliens "morph" to a form not their own, they do so by creating an organic "mask" which resembles the original person. They "morph" back by dissolving this mask back into themselves. The "mask" is organic, but lays over the top of their "regular" faces, which is why it has so often been "peeled" off.
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A few people have said they find it frustrating that the rebel aliens haven't been firmly defined as good or bad, and that loose ends like the kid in the reactor haven't been tied up. Well, folks, as far as art imitating life, that's what happens. If you want a semi-believable show, you're going to have loose ends, and you're going to have vague and shifting allegiances. Why? Because the real world is full of them. Personally, I would be rather dissappointed had all loose ends been tied up.
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Not at all confident about this, but when Krychek discovered the dead non-impostor doctor on the floor, he looked kind of funny. Was the doctor's face (a) missing, or just (b) real cold? It was hard to tell. If (a), are the aliens doing a Face-Off type move there? Admittedly, this doesn't answer why they don't just morph in the first place.
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Feb 16, 1999 12:07:39 PM CST
CSM surrendering the flag in the hanger: alone, worth the price
by oberon
I've sifted through the endless list of comments here, and I still have to say this was one of the better episodes, despite a few weak spots. The most powerful image was the flashback to EL Rico Air Force Base in 1973, when CSM/CGB Spender lays the American flag down in submission to the aliens. Obviously, these new developments give Carter a good deal more freedom, but I hope he uses it wisely. I enjoy the "fun" episodes as much as anyone else, but I'd like to see more time devoted to the mythology arc. Things have reached a crisis point; some of the Syndicate DID survive, and the aliens are still preparing for colonization. Going back to "moster of the week" is going to be a bit of a drag while all of this hangs over the show like the Sword of Damocles. I know CC has the 3 parter planned for season end in May, but I'm hoping for more treatment of the arc in the near future. Other points: Jeffrey Spender is certainly dead, but I'm not so sure about Cassandra. We KNEW one character, at least, would die, and there have been enough comments in the press to suggest it would be Spender (at least). But consider: if the rebels were going to such lengths to keep Cassandra alive (as evidence to expose the Syndicate and colonization), does it follow that they would have killed her along with the Syndicate members? I find it quite possible that we'll be seeing more of her in the future.
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Feb 16, 1999 12:37:19 PM CST
The TRUTH about the conection between Gibson and Cassandra
by taleiseniii
Here's the deal.. Purity aliens are originally from EARTH! They evolved (apparently) from a basic virus particle. If any of you know about organic chemistry and biology, then you know that viruses are unclassifyable as either living or dead.. and viruses also share very little of our genetic heritage. Purity aliens are a multi-stage organism. The black Oil= first stage. The organism is apparently senscient at this point but needs a host. (Evidence= Episodes Piper Maru and Apocrypha)
Once it obtains a host it has a few options.. either remain as a parasite in a body not its own, or it can gestate and proceed to the Second stage= mean sharp-clawed Scary ass aliens. These are apparently very young mentally and act almost purely on instinct (evidence= Movie, plus the season premiere. the sharp clawed aliens just basically try and find heat.. nothing more.. I mean they tried to tear apart their own ship for god sakes!)
they remain in the sharp clawed stage for a short time.. once they find a suitable heat source they gestate once more into the Third stage= the "Greys", these are what you need to watch out for.. they're apparently very smart able to pilot ships (which have intersteller capabilities) and make treaties and shit.. these are the aliens that are pulling stings and shit. BTW if you kill a Grey or a sharpclawed alien it reverts to its "essence" the black oil- effectivly making the Purity aliens immortal. Now to the good stuff.. Gibson Praise (sp?) - Gibson is the natural version of Cassandra.. through some sort of wacky fate thing or whatever Gibson's parents were special carriers of the DNA that makes the Purity Aliens.. or most of it anyway. this DNA was turned off in them. (as it is in ALL of us apparently) Gibson's DNA is turned on because the DNA from his parents fit together in some special way that has NEVER happened before.. This makes Gibson part Purity and Part Human.. a killer combination.. Im looking forward to seeing the FULL extent of Gibson's powers... he obviously has more powers than the Greys.. so he's "more than the sum of his parts" so to speak. The Syndicate would have had NO chance if the Greys could read minds (evidence-every conspiracy ep.. but especially the season finale and premiere)... Cassandra is the unnatural combination between The shape-shifting aliens and the humans... why did it take the Syndicate 50 years to do something that happened naturally anyways? REMEMBER the shapeshifting aliens ARE NOT from EARTH.. the DNA is not very compatible with ours.. The Purity Aliens are FROM EARTH originally... we're more compatible... Also the "rebels" are shapeshifters.. they are one and the same.. but they are on opposite sides... Most of the shape-shifters are enslaved or work for Purity aliens, but a few are rebels.. fighting the Purity ALiens here on Earth and presumably elsewhere in the galaxy... Hope that explained some things for you! -
Sure, the episode wasn't perfect, but did provide some disturbing images, and really showed a new side of CSM...Is it just me, or does anyone else now think the syndicate at least had some noble goals? What else could they do? At the time, there really was no way to fight the alien invasion...Why not try to stall them until secret weapons could be produced? Sure, CSM is a pretty evil guy, but I wouldn't mind having him on my side in certain circumstances...Of course, he was probably just out to save his ass, and could have cared less about the world - but he probably did hold off the invasion for 26 years!
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Thank god Krychek wasn't killed! I really want to know what this thing is with Marita, and this was only the second time they've...um..well been on screen together. But WHAT ABOUT WELL MANICURED MAN! Did he know something would go bad in this conspiracy? I thought the Syndicate was involved in the conspiracy to save their families, yet WMM turned traitor in the movie "for [his] family." Did he know something no one else did? Is he even really dead then? And come to think of it, he and Krychek seemed to be plotting together in last season's finale, and before that WMM and Marita seemed to be conspiring separatly. Were the three of them in league? Was WMM behind X and Deep Throat and Marita from the start, or perhaps he was another friend of Mulder's dad? And is Krychek really a bad guy? Is the truth really out there, or is Carter just srewing with us!!!!
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One: if folks didn't rise to the baiting of Dolfanar there would be no nastygrams on the Talkback. We could consider his opinions and respond to them thoughtfully (he sometimes has a point)... and ignore his more fulsome BS. Two: episode two was good... as in "okay." The whole conspiracy thing now has so many holes in it (and has descended into such a talkfest) that there is little mystery left. I had to actively suspend disbelief in several scenes, so much so that I was thinking we had been left with a bad V/Dark Skies parody. The sheer style and visual metaphor was as beautiful and powerful as ever. But I kept thinking "Now CC can do something else, something interesting maybe. Something as chilling as the original black oil episode." I just don't care to see the alien invasion, because I think it will be silly, with characters walking around talking about "the death of billions" and stupidity like that in V (the aliens fly all the way to Earth to steal its water... ignoring the billions of tons of the stuff in, say, Saturn's rings...... duh...) We don't need or want that. What we need is a good McGuffin to send the colonists away forever with... and a shadowy, chilling, dangerous villain to battle to carry us off to the movies... (for example, the Rebels could have their OWN conspiracy to hold Earth in their thrall. I mean, where else in the cosmos can you get a good face?)
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The aliens in V came to the Earth to steal its people. They ate people. You can't get those in Saturn's rings, as far as I know.
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What ever do you mean?
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Actually the aliens in "V" came for the water. Human Food Stuffs was just bonus on the side. Perhaps it helped them chose their target, but it was not their primary goal.
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been a while since i watched it but wasnt the water thing just the cover they used? pretended to be thirsty when they were actually hungry.
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I think that these guy's are just a little lonely and have simply become confused by Earth slang... what they REALLY want is a little "head"...;-)
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I'd just like to spread some conjecture and offer to point out some mistakes people are making about the whole arc thing. 1) Deep Throat was shot by the Syndicate after trading the alien fetus for Mulder. Someone earlier said that the aliens had the fetus. Little did anyone know that Scully had the whole key to the Sydicate's hybridization project in her hands as early as Season One (great job connecting that lose thread). 2) I think CSM is mentally unbalanced. Not in a raving lunatic sort of way, but is now so concerned about "betrayal" that he doesn't even see what's good or bad for his purposes anymore. Bill Mulder was his friend, but CSM had him killed when he felt betrayed. Jeffrey Spender was his son, but killed him when he betrayed him (yes, I do believe he's really dead). 3) I think Agent Fowley is dead. During the season ender last year, the boy, Gibson, didn't mention that Fowley was duping Mulder & Scully, and I think he would have. CSM had Fowley shot in order to get to Gibson. I think Fowley actually died from that gunshot, and an imposter, someone whom CSM trusts ("you're the only one who has never betrayed me"), has taken her place. I think this is the shape-shifting alien bounty-hunter. Remember, Gibson and Fowley were never actually together in the season opener. 4) Who is Krychek working for? Himself! He's using the nano-probe technology to control key figures (such as Senator Matheson and Skinner), and when the time comes, I think he's going to get in a position to cut a deal with the aliens. He wants the vaccine, the fetus, the whole sha-bang. 5) I don't think many people got the subcontext of Mulder's decision to go with Scully after Cassandra instead of going with Fowley to the Air Force Base. In essence, he repeated his father's decision; he sacrificed Samantha in order to buy time for humanity. As it turns out, if he had gone, he would probably be a cinder, but he didn't know that at the time. Anyway, just my 2 cents.
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An okay episode, but you can't get away with killing your own son. I think ol' Cancer man should go "toe-to-toe" with Mulder in an old fashioned fist fight and have Mulder open up an industrial size can of "Whup-Ass" on him just to teach him his evils ways. Love him or hate him, Cancer Man does need a spanking...but good!
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If the black oil "Purity" mutates into a big slimy rubber violent monster (that has existed since the prehistoric era) which then MUTATES AGAIN into the (SMART) grey Aliens that have scurried throughtout the show, HOW THE HELL CAN WE EVEN HAVE AN ALIEN "GREY" FETUS?? On a second note, I watched the movie again (quite good with the "Mulders sister" bit added) and I had this question: "if the bodies of the two firemen and Stevie were moved to the Federal building and that building was blown up with the bodies inside "to cover up evidence at the dig in Dallas" why were the 3 bodies able to be discovered (and still quite intact!) in the first place?" Ok, so the Federal building was linked to F.E.M.A. and F.E.M.A. was conducting autopsies (supposidly) still, they went to great lengths to blow up a building by planting a bomb to distroy their evidence that (OOPSIE!) DIDN'T get distroyed and was later discovered by Agents Mulder and Scully, HMMMmmm.....
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Why don't (didn't) the Syndicate and/or Fox ally with the Rebels? The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Also, why didn't the Rebels burn Cassandra in Part 1? Is it because they wanted her to stay alive as proof?
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Shockingtoad: The rebels *did* burn Cassandra Spender in part one. Because she's the first successful hybrid, though, she was able to regenrate fast enough to live. I don't think the rebels knew what she was at the time. I think they thought she was being worked on, and wasn't ready yet.
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I think they need to stay with the conspiracy arc. I was really disappointed that Mulder was suck a fucker about Diana Fowley -- you know that whole storyline was because DD and Mimi Rogers got it on in "The Rapture"! and I'm tired of seeing him treat Scully like shit. As for DD & GA hating each other in real life -- I know they just aren't friends -- if you spend 15 hours a day with someone in character you need a break. Scully is the best thing on teh X-files and Mulder needs to start listening to her -- that's probably why he's watching porn all the time and never getting any. I'm glad they killed Spender --- LOOOOOSER!
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god questions. who the hell knows, must be that the fetus is what they mutate into after the greys. then the final mutation looks like sigourney weaver. as for blowing up a building to destroy bodies that end up not being destroyed, well you dont get to powerful positions in government by doing things small and sensible. you make things as jumbled and ridiculous as possible. Chris Carter for president!
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In the shows, most of the time the black oil would take over other life forms. In the movie, there was all of a sudden these little leech thingies in the black oil. It seems to me that these little leech thingies end up turning into the scary aliens and then the grey aliens. I think the black oil is a separate entity from the little leechy things. In the movie, when we see the leechy things, they are already being controlled by the black oil. Then when the scary alien or grey alien gets killed, the black oil leaves the host body. So that would make at least 3 forms of aliens that we can count. 1) The Scary/Grey Aliens 2)The black oil or "Purity" and 3) the faceless rebels. Another thing I have noticed in this two parter is that all of a sudden we see the faceless rebels having fake faces ripped off all the time. We never see thier faces morph "on the fly". That could indicate that the face changing Bounty Hunters are actually a 4th alien race.
Now that the Syndicate is pretty much gone, this will let the story dig into the actual structure of the outside alien forces and the intergalactic war going on between them. I think Chris has done a great job of setting the stage for whatever comes next. Like Crycheck said, all bets are off. The story has no choice but to go in a completely new path. -
(My English sucks. Please, be patient). I live in a tiny lousy country where the
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For those of you who say Spender is alive because the actor is signed to more episodes. Keep a couple of things in mind. Owens played CGB as a young man, so it's possible there is another flashback episode in the works.
Also I read that a character that dies possibly returns, only it's not really the character it's an alien in the guise of that character, so that may be how Carter plans on utilizing Owens.
I believe Jeffery Spender is dead.
I've enjoye this season very much, and though this two parter was very well done. For those who say that the mystery is gone I think not.
What's CGB's next move? What's Folwey's part in all of this? What will Alex do and how will he manipulate Skinner? Gibson will be back, what will his role be? Just because we know what the syndicate's plans were, doesn't mean we know what's next. Anything could happen and there will always be that X-Files defined shroud of mystery.
I've been a fan since day one, and will continue to watch until the final episode, and then will be in line for the movies.
This is quality t.v, with quality acting and quality writing. Enjoy it while you have it week after week. Soon it'll be gone. So you obsessed folk who whine when it doesn't go the way you want it to, loosen up and enjoy the ride.
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First off, One Son was, in my opinion, the best episode The X-Files has ever had. Chris Carter is a genious. So...is Mulder like a bad guy now? He has adopted the ways of the syndicate, give up and save yourself nd your family. We have been trained by Chris Carter that the syndicate is bad. so...wouldn't that make Mulder bad? Another question, Who was missing from the syndicate? C.G.B. Spender said that memberS(emphasize the S) were missing meaning more than just Krycek. Who are these people? Will they joing Mulder, Fowley, and CGB and restart a kind of syndicate? Maybe try to renegotite with the aliens? Anywaz, i thought One Son was awsome. I don't know why so many people didn't like it. It was truly X-Files at it's best. Long live Chris Carter!!!
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the key word when thinking about the alien fetus is "gestate" this means "grow".. the black oil doesn't Instantly change into the scary/grey alien. so what the aliens did was take some poor sap.. stick one of their own in him (or her, or it) and let it gestate for a SHORT time.. then they took it out and put it in cold storage (cold appears to halt and/or stop the gestation of the aliens).. theres teh alien fetus.. any other questions?
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any other questions?? read the posts, theres a hundred questions
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Ok, first off, I'd like to say that I enjoyed the Full Disclosure episodes. They weren't great, but the advanced the storyline, which is important for the series to continue to evolve. There is one point on Spender that I would like to point out that I hadn't seen anyone else mention. When Spender was first introduced as a character, it was mentioned that he was once abducted along with his mother, but later it was dismissed as a "shared memory" or somethin that he was using to try to relate to his mother's multiple abductions. Perhaps he really was abducted too, and perhaps the aliens altered him in some way that could still give credence to the theory that he is an alien-human hybrid. Just a thought, and something I wanted to point out.
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How helpful are these rebels? Are they really trying to help save earth? If so, it seems they should be helping Mulder more.
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it is entirely possible that Spender really **WAS** abducted right along with Cassandra and then dismissed as a "shared Memory" and even altered (I thought that Agent Spender was an alien hybrid already but his head didnt regenerate when shot,hehehe)-----------------------------hers the REAL DEAL: The faceless Aliens and the shapeshifters are the same alien race. The faceless aliens "rebels" already have the black oil inside them, they use the flame torches. Apparantly, the faceless aliens are stil rebeling against the greys although at some point in history were taken over by the black oil/Purity but were not converted and still have their own free will. They lose the ability to shapeshift after they get the black oil and thats why they use the skin of other people's faces. This would answer the question raised by many "why are the faceless rebels safe from the black oil when the black oil goes through the skin?" Either that or the skin/pores of the faceless Rebels is tough enough to fend off the black oil. But why are we at war with the faceless aliens while we work side by side with the shapeshifters? Clones? well you got me...anybody else have the answers?
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why would four alien races show ANY intrest in Earth AT ALL? Cant they make part of their own race into a slave populace? Whats so bad about being an alien/human hybrid? Cassandra spender is worried because shes the first and everyone is out to kill her (poor woman) but she seems to be doing well even after being burned by the faceless rebels (as one poster suggested) I disagree with that by the way, for some unknown reason the faceless rebels let her live (but didnt take her because they were thwarted by CGB Spender and Krycheck?????) Will the Bees carry the vaccine for the black oil(?) or are they soley designed to knock you unconcious so that you can BE given something(the vaccine or the black oil) by the secret Syndicate?
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In response to those posters who questioned why the Rebel aliens would want to keep Cassandra alive even though she was constructed (modified?) to be the prototype for the Colonist aliens' slave race and her very existence (according to most of the Xcast) pressaged the immediate invasion of the Colonists (which, presumably, the Colonists don't want), I submit the following:
The rebels wanted Cassandra alive only to the extent that they could use her as bait to lure the ENTIRE (not just USA, global - it wouldn't make sense for only the US members to be there) syndicate to come to one place, ostensibly, to get the hybrid gene vaccination that would render them immune to the Colonist/Purity/Black Oil so that the Rebels could KILL them all. What other way could they accomplish this in one swift strike? After the Syndicate was wiped out she was then either killed or taken for the Rebels' own uses (ex. perfecting a vaccine so they don't have to sew up their orrifaces).
One flaw in this theory: When the Colonist liason to the Synidicate dials up the 46th street number and gets a "sorry, this number disconnected, no further information available" message, won't they come to investigate and/or start an invasion? Even if so, they'll be partially crippled by the death of the Syndicate. As Krychek said, it's a whole new ballgame.
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