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I am – Hercules!!
Last week’s “Lost” was my kind of “Lost.” Brisk little prison flashbacks for James “Sawyer” Ford. We got confirmation on Desmond’s new superpower. Ben put the beatdown on Sawyer, then pretended to stick a bomb in his ribcage. Then Kate took off her shirt. And we learned Dharma Island’s crash cart doesn’t work. And broken-nose guy made Freckles admit she loves James Ford. And then she crawled effortlessly into and out of her cage. And then superhot Juliet said she was a fertility doctor! And then we found out Ben has a big fat tumor on his spinal column. And then we found out Dharma Island has a neighbor twice the size of Alcatraz.
ABC talks about the Eko-centric 3.5:
A delirious Eko wrestles with past demons; some of the castaways go to the Pearl station to find a computer they can use to locate Jack, Kate and Sawyer; Jack does not know who to trust when two of the Others are at odds with each other. Guest starring are Kiele Sanchez as Nikki, Rodrigo Santoro as Paulo, Michael Bowen as Pickett, Adetokumboh MCormack as Yemi, Muna Otaru as Amina, Hakeem Kae-Kazim as Emeka, Jermaine Scooter Smith as Daniel, Michael Robinson as trader, Ariston Green as guard, Lawrence Jones as soldier and Alicia Young as blind woman.
I asked someone who's already seen tonight's episode for some non-spoiler dialog from Locke’s visit to Pearl Station. And even though this dialog supposedly spoils nothing, I hide it in invisotext because doing so amuses me:
JOHN LOCKE: "Well. Why am I suddenly feeling stupid?"
JOHN LOCKE: "I saw -- It was like a... bright light. It was beautiful."
MISTER EKO: "That is not what I saw."
Next week? The last episode of 2006 features “Slither” star Nathan Fillion playing Kate Austen’s husband.
9 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.
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That's be me...and I work for Dharma and we own you and everyone you've ever known.
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As if the double-, triple- and quadruple-posts aren't enough. :P
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lol ive never been first and always wanted to do that ..... LOST rules, 2 bad there is only 2 more episodes till february, the wait will kill me but im relieved by the knowledge of no repeats from feb thru may ....LOST heaven ...ahhhhhh
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guess i wasnt first, lol
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Nigel Kneale died today, the author of the great Quatermas series (and many other great British sci-fi classics and the scariest show ever from my youth called Beasts) A bit off topic I know but the man was one of the pioneers of serialized fiction on tv so a very sad day indeed
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and I'm getting tired of Sawyer getting smacked around.
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...of Sawyer and Ben getting the shit beat out of them with no long term effects. These guys are almost like the cheerleader from Heroes. Also, the plot holes are beginning to add up to one big jump of the shark. But my sorry ass will keep watching until the bitter fizzle of an ending (see Alias)!
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I too am tired of Sawyer being smacked around...and of the Others continuing to claim that they're the Good guys, after killing Scott/Steve, hanging Charlie, almost killing Claire, breaking that Tailie's neck, and kidnapping Walt and all the children. Wait--I take that back! The Others are just like Santa!
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Eko was a Greek orator?
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…but instead I'll just pout when my roundabout hints at it get ignored, and will build a lightning rod instead. No one will ask me what I'm doing, nor will the two people who have realized I can see the future ask me anything about it.
Sawyer's flashback was quite possibly the worst of the series. No new characterization, no new facts (I suppose we'll have three or four more flashbacks on whether the long-conned woman really did have a baby with Sawyer). Unless the flashback is hinting that someone we don't expect is pulling a long con (e.g., Kate), it was worthless. -
I agree with you about Sawyer's last flashback. It did nothing for his character. It was pointless. It made no sense. Why would the Feds let Sawyer out of jail? Huh? However, it did have Bill Duke... so...
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Also, Chuck (who "likes to fuck") from Kill Bill. I love to see character actors like him pop up. Oh, and Juliet may be perty, but she is so damn annoying with her mewly-ness.
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Spoilers.... It looks like the monster is being acknowledged again, so please, all the whiners who moan about supposedly abandoned mysteries, consider waiting till the show is finished. Also, if I could be bothered, I'd find a link to the past four lost talkbacks so that people can read and maybe avoid going round and round and round in a cycle of same-old-criticism vs same-old-resopnse, then more than 2% of this talkback might actually be interesting and relevant. Otherwise, it'll just be rinse and repeat as usual, like the Halo talkbacks of the past two weeks. "You can't make a movie out of a game" vs "Yes You can" for 167 fuckin posts. Jeez.
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I like this character John Locke, but it seems like he is back to his old chump ways. If he keeps going, he is in danger of becoming the biggest TV chump since Connor Angel. Also, I too would like an end to the beating of Sawyer. He's paid his dues on mystery island, not to mention kept his stubble at a rogueishly perfect length - come on, creators of TV's Lost, let's give the guy a break.
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I would say Sawyer's flashback, whilst not revealing much back story, still contributed to his character. He rejects people because attachment would make him easily manipulated by enemies. It tied in with the island story surrounding sawyer and Kate. Sometimes you're gonna get one of those seemingly pointless flashbacks, there are loads with sun and jin and jurley and bernard and rose etc. Ps: Nikki and Paolo suck ass. It looks like they're getting bigger roles this week, which doesn't bode well for the impateint. I think there are enough characters already without them, and unless something good is done with them, it's two thumbs down.
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Gee, I bet there are more castaways there. That'll stretch out season 4. Abrams and Lindelof sure think ahead.
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it was BUCK, who likes to fuck, from Kill Bill...
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What???
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...that no will say just WHAT IS ON THIER MINDS. A little communication between the Others and the Losties would result in a whole lot LESS people getting killed, maimed, or abducted. Also, just about every "escape" or "attack" plan makes no sense whatsoever.
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...the island wants you to give me all of your money and also to clean and wax my car. Also, please make me a delicious sandwich and a cup of tea. Pick up my dry cleaning while you're at it. You know, because the island said so.
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Biggles and Marmoset. Characters don't communicate and it's a copout to heighten drama and tension. There are better ways to do that. Sometimes that's not even it; sometimes it just seems like negligence. I mean why wouldn't Kate, Sun or Claire inform anyone about the new hatch they found? And John Locke is just doing what the island wants, maybe just because he got the use of his legs back, but it also seems to be trying to kill Claire's baby, what witht he hatch door and the lightning, and it seemed to kill Boon too.
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That other island would be the one that Jack, Kate and Sawyer are on, not one containing an exciting new cast. But continue with the futile attempt to prove that Lindelof and Cuse are lying when they say they've got a plan for the show.
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...I think it's more likely they were talking about what they saw during the implosion of the hatch. It may be the cloud monster, but I'll be surprised if it is.
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Are you kidding me?! In what parallel universe?
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Here's a guy who's basing important life decisions on messages he is receiving from a clump of sand and grass in the middle of the ocean. And you thought people with those WWJD bracelets were weird. At least when he was a chump for his dad, that was an actual person. His new master is a land mass. Also, none of his friends seem to care about his disintegrating mental state. If you had a buddy who was telling you he bought a new car because his ficus told him to, wouldn't you be a little concerned?
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Lost returned and wow what an ep. fascinating, enthralling, intrigiung and utterly creepy. Dharma is a cult and it is obvious because the control they had over everyone was imitimidating. Note the scene with the kid and the beating he got from the gaurd and the manner in which he was forced to apologise. notice the handcuffs on the table in the scene with Ben/henry gale and kate. Henry gale must have known that kate was a convict. Hence the handcuffs Where did the others get the information of Fusilage survivors and the most menacing scene was one where juliet told jack that his divorced wife was very happy and the way in which she crushed his spirit, by telling the blubbering jack to sit down with his back to corner and what was unnerving about it was the calm way she utterly controlled him by giving food. the scene with kate were creepy and especially the one where gale tells her the next two are going to miserable. What book was juliet reading by stephen king when she got really angry notice the. sawyer is getting beaten up for a reason. See he is the wild when but his also clever, it didnt take him long to escape. his cage but he was caught by those nasty arrows.
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it's TWICE THE SIZE OF ALCATRAZ. Alcatraz is small. Look at pictures! Double the size of Alcatraz is space for a handful of trees and a few buildings. You couldn't land a plane on it. It's just a large rock off the islands coast.
You know, last week I downloaded Heroes, because there was a bunch of folks here saying it was as good or better than Lost. I can;t say I understand what they're talking about, because I've watched all six episodes now, and it's fairly standard, unsubtle and childish in my opinion. If that's what people who come here and whine about Lost losing the plot and having no answers prefer, then I don't need to listen to them, because their opinion is not sound.
Now let's wait for the losers who make it a personal project to dress down Lost and its viewers because they orgasm from it to arrive. -
Watch "Gia", she may not be Jolie hot, but still niiiice.
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Really?
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Without adverts, it's about forty minutes.
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Nov 01, 2006 9:31:22 AM CST
I still need a ruling on the BS "superhot Juliet" claim
by ricky henderson
I just don't buy it, sorry. She's got bags under her eyes everytime I see her and she's constantly moping and sad looking. She's got nothing on Freckles and you all know it. Even Sun is cuter than this "superhot Juliet."
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I'm sure she's be doing cartwheels if you picked her.
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Ok... I can't write... Shut up, right?
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I mean cmon, I'm Ricky Henderson. No, you shut up! Jerkass. :)
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Alcatraz is a lot bigger then it looks lol. Everything looks small in pictures.
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Otherwise, why would they send her all the guys who can't get it up?
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Or I'll start referring to Josh Holloway's character as "Foyer".
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The beyotch who dealt with Michael in the fake Others camp last season. I remember it was mentioned in ep 3.1 talkback that she was part of the book club group. I just rewatched 3.2, and when Sawyer and Kate first arrive for chain-gang duty it looks like Miss Klugh is there pretending to be a fellow prisoner, breaking up rocks. Anyone else notice that?
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Only people who just started watching "Lost" this season would use a word like that. You know Kantalope Hardis, is is possible that there are two African Americans members of the Others. Or are you just suggesting that they all look alike? :)
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Sarah. look at the way She looked at jack and said sarah is really happy, jack buckled. Dharma is a cult and sarah was taken in and given a new identity and a new life.
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I don't know if Kantalope Hardis is being racist, but emeraldboy might be a bit blondist if he thinks Juliet is Sarah. Then again, if it turns out she is, he has full license to laugh in my face for approximately seventeen minutes.
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Nikki and Paulo = Poochy the Dog. What the FUCK, Lost?? Because Kate, Jack, Sawyer, Desmond, Charlie, Locke, Eko, Jin, Sun, Hurley, Claire, Rose, Bernard, Ben, Juliet and Rousseau aren't enough, we give you NIKKI AND PAULO!!! ARRRG!
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secretive and Mysterious cult program called the Dharma initiative. The leaders including Benry saw the plane crash and decided to kidnap the talilies children before merging with them and deciding who was weak and who were strong. They had good story and they stuck to it, Ethan was an islander and the islanders tried to kidnap Claires baby just as they had kidnapped Rosseaus child before. They failed with claire because she escaped and she took her baby back to fuisilagers. So they kidnapped walt instead and used him as bait for Micheal the panicked father. Give us saywer, jack and kate and you have your kid the black lady said. Dont and you will never see him again. Children are great bargaining chips as we know because Micheals deceased wife was going to take walt with her to Austrailia and Micheal fight her to get custody of his son. The islanders knew all this of course, because Dharama is so powerful they have files on everyone. They put Walt through a series of assesments and put everyone else through a series of tests to see who will rise and who will fall. Notice the one with Benry, Kate was deliberatly dolled up given breakfast because persuambly she is going to be punished. They know she was on the run and they know she likes guns and that she has a thing for sawyer because sawyer likes guns to. Both sawyer and kate are wanted for Murder. How did i work out the Sarah/juliet connection. When he pressed the communicator it was his own fathers voice coming back at him. Juliet looking at jack said something like Its not about who were then its about who we are now. the line is repeated in a flashback scene where jack sees sarah for the last time.
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Juliet is Sarah?! Juliet is superhot?! What? Is she like 45?! (not that a 45 year old can't be hot, but c'mon we're comparing TV-ass, not real life).
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Don't forget Alex Roussou and that kid that tried to help Sawyer escape will likely join the losties.
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I want a Roussou flashback. Of her and her team crashing on the island and them getting "infected" and her killing them. PLZ. kthnxbai
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I don't really like the idea of focusing on new cast members at the expense of the core, inexpendable-til-the-end characters, which I consider to be Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, and Sayid. Ana Lucia was a huge, multiple-episode ruining mistake, but at least her death served a purpose. So if the new cast members are brought on for the ultimate purpose of heightening the drama by killing them off, and if that prevents the producers from making the mistake of killing off one of the core characters in some lame effort to be bold and shocking, then the new lostaways may serve a useful puropse.
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...you're right, we learned absolutely nothing new about Sawyer. Oh, except for the part where we learn that even though his stubborn self-destructivness has bordered on a death-wish, and he has clearly shown that he will bow to no one, he does secretly harbor a few great loves (Kate & Clementine), and will stoop so low as to be willingly manipulated to protect those few great loves. And there is nothing at all in reading the episodes title "Every Man For Himslef" as a play on the contrast between the image Sawyer wants everyone to percieve of him and who he might really be deep down inside. What a pointless episode with no character insight.
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the writers around here lock onto some really annoying phrases like a dog locking onto a soup bone. they won't let go until their nothing left and their gums are bleeding from the bone fragments they tried to swallow.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcatraz
Look at the pictures. A prison, a water tower, a chimney, a jetty. That's it. You could walk round it in 10 minutes, if that. Now double it, as Ben/Henry said. Hydra island has room for the facility, and that's all. -
Lindlof had mentioned that they were going to do an island flashback this season, but I think it got axed by ABC. It really goes to show that the networks have no clue what the viewers want to see, but that's a whole other talkback. The most interesting thing is that Lindelof said that alot has been going on on that island throughout time, and DHARMA is just the tip of the iceberg, but we may get to find out more about that through a Danielle or Henry flashback.
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More Claire. Please ?!?
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Who said that the spinal x-ray was Ben's??
The "island neighbor" to Dharma Island is the "survivors island" - where they crashed - right?
This post made it sound like it was a completely different island all together - but from my understanding there is "The Others Island" and The Survivors Island".
Yes?
No?
http://tinyurl.com/yzu43o
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C'mon anyone normal viewer of the show knows exactly what the lines between eko and locke are about, and it does spoil a reasonably big loose end from season one. jerk.
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Alcatraz island is not all that small. Granted, it's not Hawaii, but come on. I was in San Fran this past summer at the Fort Mason Center which looks out at Alcatraz, and IIRC, it's a tick under 20 acres. Double that size, let's say 40 acres. That would be about 650 meters by 650 meters squared (approximate). That's enough space for 140 football fields (14 x 10). That's a pretty big surface area to be dealing with, especially given how treacherous the terrain appears to be - mountainous, rocky, jungles. Plenty of room to get lost and hide in, regardless.
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Alcatraz island is not all that small. Granted, it's not Hawaii, but come on. I was in San Fran this past summer at the Fort Mason Center which looks out at Alcatraz, and IIRC, it's a tick under 20 acres. Double that size, let's say 40 acres. That would be about 650 meters by 650 meters squared (approximate). That's enough space for 70 football fields (7 x 10). That's a pretty big surface area to be dealing with, especially given how treacherous the terrain appears to be - mountainous, rocky, jungles. Plenty of room to get lost and hide in, regardless.
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Alcatraz is of good size bro. Considering the circumference, we are talking a big peice of land. Its not just some tiny island. And if you can walk around that in 10 mins, I would kiss your ass. I say that because I KNOW YOU CANNOT.
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Mine was not in reference to FlipPA's BTW.
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Are the makers preparing thier own version of a 24-season 5 style cull.
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Are the makers preparing thier own version of a 24-season 5 style cull.
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Fuckin' cocksucker heathens.
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Are the makers preparing thier own version of a 24-season 5 style cull of popular characters.
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Sorry about that, was doing too much math in my head and had to fix it. Anyway, here's a Google Maps link to Alcatraz for some perspective: http://tinyurl.com/yb4bxl You're also looking just at pictures of the jail, it seems, not of the entire island. Check the url I've provided for more detail. :)
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Think the writers read this?
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Man, bring the bitch back. She was evil and it annoys me that she's just been shoved to the side now that Michael's gone. I think it is a little racist that they haven't kept her character going. She was awesome. I'm white btw.
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THE GOOD--------EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE THAT IS IN BEN'S NECK OF THE WOODSBENRY'S HANNIBAL HERMAN / PEEWEE LECTOR VIBEHOLLOWAY'S FUTURE MOVIE CAREERSAYIDSAYID GOING BAUERLOCKESUN & JINHURLEY
MR.EKCOL.CLAIRE BEING SO DAMN ADORABLETHE OPPURTUNITY TO PLACE BLAME ON A DINGO, EVERYTIME THE BABY GOES MISSINGTHE STATUE WITH 4 TOESCLANCY BROWNDESMOND'S "BRATHA"JOLENE BLALOCK (WE WERE FUCKING ROBBED LAST YEAR!!! :'(THE BAD-------EVERYTHING THATS GOING ON BACK AT THE BEACHCHARLIE, CHARLIE, FUCKING STOOPID CHARLIEKATE'S THING FOR HOBBITS.SAYID'S ADDICTION TO CHOCOLATE THAT'S PAST IT'S DATELOCKE BUILDING A SWEATHUT INSTEAD OF LOOKING FOR EKCOL.THE FLASHBACKS. THEY'RE POINTLESS. THEY ARE JUST DRAGGING OUT A STORY THAT THEY ARE PULLING OUT OF THEIR ASSES OR DVD RACKTHE FACT THAT HURLEY HAS ONLY REALLY GOT TWO LINES "THE NUMBERS ARE BAD" AND "DUDE"AXING CHARACTERS WITHOUT FINISHING THEIR STORYLINES, OR HAVING THEM PRESENT SOME CLUE TO THE SURVIVORS. THUS SCREWING OVER THE VIEWERSNOT GIVING ACTORS A SECOND CHANCE AND AXING PROMISING CHARACTERSHOLLOWAY NOT PULLING A CLOONEY WHILE HE STILL CAN. (THREE LETTERS:DUI, AND HE'S OUT OF HIS CONTRACT!)THE DROPPED STORYLINESTHE CHARACTERS NOT WORRIED ABOUT THE SMOKE MONSTERKILLING CLANCY BROWNPEOPLE FORGETTING THE SHOW'S THING FOR LIFTING IDEAS FROM FILMS, AND THINKING DESMOND IS PSYCHIC, WHEN HE'S CLEARLY FROM THE FUTURE. (NO CLOTHES=TERMINATOR)THEM HIRING A CARRIE ANNE MOSS LOOKALIKE, WHEN THEY COULD HAVE JUST GOT THE REAL THING. (EVEN THOUGH SHE'S REALLY GOOD)THE NOOBSTHE NOTION THAT THE NOOBS WILL GET FLASHBACKSWHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO A FAVORITE CHARACTER TONIGHT.THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT KATE IN A THONG YETTHE FACT THAT HERC KEEPS MENTIONING FILLION IN NEXT WEEKS SHOW, BUT DOESN'T REMIND PEOPLE THAT WASH WILL BE ON CSI THIS THURSDAYTHE UGLY--------THE CG POLAR BEARIMAGINING THE CG POLAR BEAR'S FACE AFTER LOCKE BURNT THAT BITCH -
WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN TO A FAVORITE CHARACTER TONIGHT.THE FACT THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT KATE IN A THONG YETTHE FACT THAT HERC KEEPS MENTIONING FILLION IN NEXT WEEKS SHOW, BUT DOESN'T REMIND PEOPLE THAT WASH WILL BE ON CSI THIS THURSDAYTHE UGLY--------THE CG POLAR BEARIMAGINING THE CG POLAR BEAR'S FACE AFTER LOCKE BURNT THAT BITCH
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mostly the worst idea ever put into the show. "dude"
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And so is its importance. Seriously, why oh WHY are we arguing about whether anyone should have seen it before? Who would have even had the opportunity to see it besides for Rousseau? And why would she have "told" the Losties about it? 1) She doesn't tell them shit, 2) "Uhh... hey guys. I don't know if you know this, but there's a tiny little rock off the south coast of this huge-ass island. I think it may be the key to our salvation somehow. Anyways, see ya."
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Just kidding !!!!11!!11
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I just mean the island itself, not whatever technology or captives might currently be on the island.
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What's up with the Charlie bashing? I'll admit that halfway through Season 2 he was getting on my last nerve, but when Claire dumped his ass he started being bad ass and I have enjoyed his wise ass remarks continuing into this season. I've laos enjoyed his flashbacks as he struggled with his addiction and abandonment by his brother. He's certainly more entertaining than Claire who puts my ass to sleep with her incessant bitching an moaning. Since the first day she's done nothing but whine about her fucking "baaybee" and "Chahlee's" behavior. Making her all the more annoying is her refusal to go swimming in one of Shannon's old bathing suits since squeezing out her ceaselessly crying brat. So give Charlie a break you bitches.
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Seriously, he's been:
shot,
stabbed,
tortured,
electrocuted,
kicked (repeatedly),
punched (constantly),
hit with gun butts,
wooden clubs,
koshes,
knocked unconcious numerous times,
almost died from sepsis,
nearly bled to death
(and has also suffered the embarrasment of not knocking Charlie out with one punch)
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DUH-DUH-DUHHHHH!
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just joking, or am i? if you really want to know: http://tinyurl.com/ym6x4f
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It never stated the tumor is Ben's. I, as well (and apparently a lot of other people here), assumed it was his, but I wouldn't put it past them for some sort of twist. I'm really enjoying this season, and the parallels it has to the previous one, and I agree that a lot of the beach stuff is extraneous. Also, the broken nose guy is Michael Bowen, and he was great in Jackie Brown and Magnolia.
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You say a loose end from season one, and the only thing I can think of that eko and locke have in common would be they both stared down the monster. But they're not talking about the monster, they're talking about the bright light that went off in the hatch when desmond turned the key, I think. That would be a loose end from season 2, possibly spoilerish, but I don't feel like it's really ruined anything. It's not like Eko says what he saw.
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we'll see tonight.
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They're being brought in so a freak power struggle between the noobs and the olds can happen now that King Jack is MIA and may be for quite some time. Nikki and the golfer guy are going to be all "We're the leaders now" and Locke is gonna be all "Fuck that shit." And yes, that is dialogue lifted directly from the script.
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kind of fashion. As a savant of Milfy women who like it doggy style, I can safely say Juliet fits nicely into that category. Handcuffs aren;t out of the question with her either, but the eyes Scream "TRUST ISSUES".
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Freakin power struggle, not a freak one.
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where are the "SWEEPS DAY 62356!!1!" posts? they're fun
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None of that felt new to me. And terrifically little of that came out of the flashback. Your character insight comes down to "Sawyer is not as badass as he would like to appear." We knew that as soon as we found out about his letter to the real Sawyer. Which was, what, his first flashback in Season 1?
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Who the hell are these two? And why did it take till season 3 for them to bitch to Hurley? Worst introduction of new characters ever, this may be lost's jump the shark moment.
"When where you planning to tell us Hurley?"
Hurley should have seen "Bitch, I was taken captive, feared for my life, trecked my fat ass across the island, and Locke nearly impaled me! I just got in, leave me the hell alone!"
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She was actually supposed to be the one Jin killed, but the actress wasn't available. Not sure if that makes it any less racist to you, though.
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But jump the shark moment? Please, are we just using this term whenever we want now? Let's practice some restraint, people!
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...was one of the best ever! I cannot wait until tonight and next week. I understand that we are in for some shocking developments! ... ... ... ... ... ... ... BTW, LOST has not "jumped the shark." They actually killed it during Season 2! :)
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... for her age. She's crazy hot for someone in her mid-30s. It's not fair to compare her to Freckles, who's only 27. (And frankly, I'd still take Juliet's age over Kate's freakish clown-mouth.)
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...And though it would be a complete travesty would it ever to happen, but Holloway would make a perfect Han Solo if they ever decided to remake any of the Star Wars films. Maybe the Thrawn trilogy?????????
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In Season 2, she is supposed to stay behind but ends up captured by the Others anyway. Now, in Season 3, she is able to slip in out and of her cage at will, thereby "proving" her loyalty to Sawyer. She also hasn't been fucked with nearly as much as Jack and Sawyer, but she was given a pretty dress and "threatened" by Benry over tea or whatever they were sipping at the table.
Oh, and Juliet isn't "super-hot"...just MILFy-hot.
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Hollaway would make a better Wolverine than Jackman. Dye his hair darker.... and it's scary. As far as the MILFy-ness of Juliet, I'd tap that.
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What a bunch of dorks you guys are! Debating Juliet's MILFyness and the size of the second island!? Why don't you just shut the hell up and watch HEROES instead?
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I'm not an American so maybe I don't get this, but "tap that ass"? Seriously! What a ridiculous expression! Guys who say that are the same guys going around saying "she's fuckable" when in reality they have no chance in hell! Morons. As for me I'd rather crap that ass.
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If this week's Heroes didn't prove to you what fucking dull tripe Heroes is I don't know what will. The characters are all snooze inducing aside from Hiro and the writing and acting suck ass. Yeah Lost moves slow and reveals can be a little few and fare between but at least it's high quality. Heroes is a mediocre shitfest that takes all of Lost's supposed weaknesses and does them worse and without any talent. So go suck cock by choice with your fellow deluded dorks in the Heroes talkback.
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1) Benry is acceptable because we all came to know him as Henry and are now being forced to learn he's Ben. Sawyer may be named James, but he's still Sawyer on the show.
2) Maxwell's Hammer's on the right track there. The whole point of that flashback was to show how Sawyer would let himself be manipulated in order to benefit the girl he cared about, which paralleled his situation when Henry said that it wasn't the 'pacemaker' story that controlled him, it was Kate being threatened. All that climaxed when he was being beaten and Kate screamed out that she loved him, and his suffering was justified... until the turn of the screw - she tells him she doesn't love him so his suffering was for naught AND she uses Jack's "Live Together Die Alone" saying to counter Sawyer's "Every man for himself" mentality. Extremely poignant part of the episode!!
3) Ms. Klugh scares the crap out of me the way she controlled Michael, yessh, she's a powerful villain and I can't wait to see more of her.
4) It's Eko. Not Ekol. How many official press releases have there been?
5) Ever noticed that the people that don't like the flashbacks just want 'the answer' to all the questions? They don't want to care about the characters... though I guess that's their right...
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Both good shows. No need to denegrate one over the other. Not that I don't have my beefs with either show. ikiN on Heroes? Total MILF! Juliet on Lost? Far as I know, not a mom. Must be a mom to be a MILF. Sorry T-backers.
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Why is none speculating on eye-patch guy?
Whoever saud something about Kate working with the Others - yeah very interesting b/c when they gave new clothes 'beard-guy' Other was like "hey let me know if those fit okay".
Also, 'beard-guy' Other: Gay?
Is the smoke-monster supposed to be the same thing that we watched in Season 1 Ep 1 that was knocking down trees and eating pilots?
Juliette and Kate are both hot.
A fertility doctor among a cult of people who steal kids = PLEASE close this loop!
Broken-nose guy's dead wife inferred to Sun, "If you kill me - we will become your enemy." The problem is the Losties already killed Others including Ethan, Goodwin and the two Eko took-out - I'm pretty sure word got back that they weren't at the latest book club meeting so...
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Why is no one speculating on eye-patch guy?
Whoever said something about Kate working with the Others - yeah very interesting b/c when they gave her new clothes 'beard-guy' Other was like "hey let me know if those fit okay".
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The canadian broadcast is an hour before the one in the US, so once it has aired, expect people to be blabbing the death all over the net.
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tonight we will find out what thats all about hopefully. Lots of folks say its Hanso or something, I buy that. My longshot is Locke from the future. HAHAHAHA I know thats really stupid, but it sort of looked like him.
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Hey I dig Lost as much as my fellow dork! I'm happy TV finally proves the geek society right by airing such excellent shows as this and Heroes! I was just saying it's stupid to debate the size of Alcatraz and wether Juliet's a milf or not! Get to the bone of the show instead! And you REALLY need to cool down AK47. What a tiny penis name that is by the way...
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I think it is premature to feel antagonism towards Nikki and Paulo. They have had, what, 3 minutes of screen time to date. Paulo, after his meeting with Desmond at this point appears to be poured from the Ford/Sawyer mold. But I will withhold judgement until we are shown something substantive about either of these new characters.
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i think its at least interesting, his position that its stupid to leave the beach... it'll make it 'intense' when he finally has to decide to go into the island for some reason. btw, i'm glad they are tossing the two noobies in for this short stint, because that way when they actually have something to do in the main part of the season, they aren't coming COMPLETELY out of left field, at least they've already been introduced... we'll see i suppose... oh, and his nickname should be Latin Sawyer...
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Its not bad to have new characters....it is bad to introduce them out of thin air. That part when he was playing with the golf clubs, that was much more natural. But them popping in at the end of an episode at the same time was kind of like....k.....where have they been? And Alcatraz was important because I strive for geological size perfection. :P:P:P
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I think everyone who cares about eye-patch guy already has an opinion about his identity. Most think he's Radzinsky.
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If I were Locke the first thing I would have done was hamstring Jack and assbang him to prove who the boss was.
Then I would have offered Said half the white women to partner up in killing Sawyer.
Said would have bought it in his sleep later.
Locke then be king with far less troubles.
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You're the dumbass who cant take a joke. Juliet is a milf who likes it doggystyle and wouldn't say no to handcuffs. You on the other hand. Tkae it straight up the ass, no questions asked while you wear makeshift pigtails from cock hair. You ass plunging dickwit, get the fuck out of here
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Wasn't the thing that was knocking down trees and eating pilots in Season One invisible? The only explanation for something like that is Giant Invisible Polar Bears. It all makes sense now (?).
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That was NOT ALCATRAZ that you mapped to. You are wrong. Alcatraz is the island to its south-east with a boat next to it that illustrates how small it is, since it looks small enough for the boat to jump over. This is printed in large text on the map. The map you linked to. Get a clue and stop misleading people. The link to Alcatraz is http://tinyurl.com/ykqz3c
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and Locke etc. didn't...hmmmm...? To all the haters of S3: I feel disapointed it too BUT give the rest of the season a chance. If they can't seem to wrap any up any of the many loose ends and expalin certain happenings w/o sounding like they really didn't know what they were doing then I'm out.
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...as for the rest of you - lighten up, you craptwats.
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Elizabeth Mithcell. 36 years old. Improv comedian husband. 1 year old son. U2's Achtung Baby is on her "Must List". All reasons to love or hate her (see U2 talkback).
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What exactly did he say that was so funny?
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Has the love for VM died?
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Not hot. Really, kinda icky.
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You're right, I was assuming they were talking about the monster, since Locke has previously said what he saw was "beautiful", and they've both stared down what we've assumed to be the monster. But I guess we'll find out for sure in a few hours.
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...as a way-too-creepy-for-words child molester/killer. Wait, the fact that I just described that as "hot" is suddenly unsettling. Well, she looked pretty good rocking the brown hair in Frequency too, in which she was definitely not a pedophile.
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And don't forget Gia. Might as well include the one where she's nude.
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thanks in advance...
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It originated in the talkbacks.Someone, it might have been me, started that because he's the opposite of Locke.
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If they did, it sure helps.
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they took the x-ray when the gave him the "heart thingy"...Jack said a guy around 40 sawyer said he was 35 which i think is a reasonable window around 40...
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It's a pretty good episode, that verges on great because of the Jack/Ben/Juliet scenes, all the stuff with Eko pretty much bored me, which is not what you want when it's their flashback. The death is interesting and raising a lot of questions.
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Listen to Hugo, Mr Eko!
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THAT CAR CAN PARALLEL PARK BY ITSELF??? OMFG!!!Shermdawg Fun Fact: I've never had to parallel park since driver's trainig.
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Hurley's "Dave" episode. am I wrong here in thinking that?
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Oh shit!
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........uh...
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instead of having to parallel park. Why add stress?
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time.
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So this island is big enough that it can have a river with enough fresh water in it so it is 20-30 feet wide? That is a big ass island. . . . Let's see, they were leaving from Australia, and last week we found out that there is a big island and a small island. . . hmmmm obviously this is New Zealand! . . . An island as big as this one can't be unmarked. . . . Why else would there be a hobbit on the island?????
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because that freak who took YEMI and JACK SHEPHERD is hauling around corpses like the driver on the set of 28 WEEKS LATER!
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Why didn't the others just ASK JAck to help them instead of acting like dicks from the word "go"? And why didn't Jack ask Ben that question just now? "You want me to operate on me? Why didn't you say so in the first place instead of acting like creeps?"
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As well as AnaL., Libby and the others that have died. They could be missing like Ekcol's bro and Jack's dad!
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And haunts people with their memories.
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and for a several episodes. . .
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Looks a lot like Clancy Brown.
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The military school headmaster dude from the first few seasons? Y'know, Kreuger from Seinfeld???I'll go check...
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That video was like the worst bob dylan parody ever.
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especially Hellboy ron...
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Juliet told jack to ignore everything she said. she said to do the surgery and then botch it. there are some OTHERS who want a change and with ben gone they could change things. ben is a liar and a "very dangerous man." and if jack messed up on the surgery to cause ben to die, juliet would protect him and make it look like a very good accident.
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I was just listening to the conversation. :(
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maybe...testing him
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That's what should have been playing during the cue card scene.
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It wasn't him.
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are telling Jack the truth or fucking with him.
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Did anyone else know that Nick Fury was guest starring tonight? That was sweet.
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that response was my "experiment" ;) *wink*
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Guerilla_Films response to my question is listed before it!!!Would someone like to explain this glitch that keeps popping up?And btw, thanks Guerilla.
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"You're next!!!"
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(SPOILER) Perfectly done. Very Catholic, in keeping with character. This is how you wrap up a storyline.
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I'm curious as to how Desmond didn't see this coming? He saved Claire and the baby, but why not....?
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YOU DID IT AGAIN!!!
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I don't think I've ever been more mad at a show, ever.
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sharing my conflicted thoughts on the episode until South Park is over.Oh great, they're doing videogames again, lame.
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Lesson for the cast of lost, get a DUI, get killed in the show.
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I say that all the starnge appearances on the island - Jack's father, the black stallion, Dave (Hurley's imaginary friend), etc - they are all manifestations of the smoke monster, aka the security system. It shows you your fears and manifests itself as them. Why? Big question. Is it a test - and if so, by whom and for what purpose? Or is it meant to scare away all but the most "worthy?" What does that mean? Again, another good question . . .
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Glad to see they wrapped up the storyline, though.
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People have been thinking for a while that the "hallucinations" might be related to the smoke monster and that smokie is partly mechanical. The producers seemed to accentuate both of those things tonight. Eko failed the test.
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I really cant believe this shit....good episode...but...Seriously....FUCK YOU LOST WRITERS! FUCK YOU! FUCKING FUCK YOU ASSHOLES! FUCKING BURING IN HELL FUCK YOU!
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INXS was doing a parody. I hate Dylan, but credit where due.
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I still think it is the gateway to hell, and anyone who isn't to be trusted with the knowledge of the island is going to be killed.
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"you're next."
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His "special comments" are nothing more than attempts to sound profound and intellectual when all he's doing is repeating DNC talking points. You've been had. Drink more Kool-Aid, it's fun!
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with "exposition girl" and "take a shit guy" and see if fans will notice.
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Why didn't the others just ASK Jack to help them instead of acting like dicks from the word "go"? And why didn't Jack ask Ben that question just now? "You want me to operate on me? Why didn't you say so in the first place instead of acting like creeps?"
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Let's face it guys, this just proves that there's a mild conspiracy afoot. There is no fucking way that it's sheer coincidence that Eko, Libby and Ana Lucia were killed off after the actors that play them all got busted for DUIs. ABC is owned by Disney which always seeks to promote good ol' family values. Either it's the suits that made the call or Damon, Carlton and JJ are AA members who can't stand anyone who drinks. Now, I'm not condoning drinking and driving, it's one of the stupidest thing one can do, but jesus! You'd think people would get second chances. Oh, I'll be watching next week just to see if this episode gets redeemed, but then I'm waiting till this season is done before I tune in again. I think they do have an overall plan for the show, but the fact that they let stupid DUIs influence the show and kill off some of the more interesting characters, that just dissapoints me. I thought the writing was above that.
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eko?
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I have to register my strong distaste for what I just saw. It was a good episode, every episode this season has been good but the abandonment of the Eko character (and that is what it was) is a terrible misstep. Not only does it destroy the entire "tailies" arc (sorry, Bernard does not count no matter what importance they try to tack onto him), but it also destroys one of the most compelling narratives on the island - the uneasy clash of faiths and personalities between Locke and Eko. Eko was easily one of the most interesting, complex characters on the show and it was obvious that he would be playing a critical role. Shortchanging that character arc shortchanges the entire show. Having the two new cast members pop up looking confused during Eko's death scene only drove that home. Someone above said Paolo is in the "Sawyer mode". That's the problem. We have too many pretty-faced, pouty types in the cast already. Eko was one of the few characters with genuine complexity, rooted in a fantastic performance and one of the interesting and saddest backstories. That's gone, and with it the entire undercurrent of season two's development. I enjoy "Lost" very much, but I wish I could reconcile my enjoyment with this feeling that a lot of my time and investment was just wasted because the producers took the easy way out. What a damn waste.
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People bitch when they kill some redshirt, they bitch when they kill kill an unpopular character, and now they bitch when they have the nerve to kill off a popular, loved, interesting character.
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exposition girl...at least not in that tank top she was wearing..
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Will get fucked up by the smoke monster.
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MADD
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maybe the actors are drinking AFTER THEY FIND OUT they are getting killed. don't you all get lit the night YOU lose a job???
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I remember in last week's talkback that somebody said something like "Eko's not going anywhere...trust me...as for Charlie, let's just say Eko's not going anywhere."
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Not sure if it is all that complicated. It manifests by reading minds yeah, but what has Hurley ever done that was so bad, except use the numbers to win the lottery, to deserve being tricked into killing himself. What I find interesting is that no one has shared visions with this beast except Sawyer and Kate. Sawyer saw Kates horse and she saw his boar. It is a lab experiment gone mad. On another note... I will miss Eko, but his exit was AWESOME. and if I were Jack, I wouldn't believe either one of them.
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It's a Spaghetti Monster.
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Exactly!
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THEY ARE HORRIBLE! WE DONT NEED THEM! YOU JUST FUCKING RUINED ONE OF THE MOST PROMISING BEST CHARACTERS ON ANY SHOW I'VE SEEN! DONT FUCKING TORTURE US WITH THESE NEW SHIT HEADS! THEY SUCK AT ACTING! WE DONT LIKE THEM! MAKE THEM GO AWAY! WE DONT GIVE A SHIT! FFFFUUUUCKKKKK YOOOUUUUUUU FOR WHAT YOU DID TO US TONIGHT! NO SERIOUSLY I FUCKING HHHHATTTEE YOUUU!
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that is my theory also.
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Im a monkey!!
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If you think it's about the "nerve", you have it wrong and I hope that is not what the producers think. Reading the comments on many boards since this spoiler posted last week, I think it is pretty clear that, while Eko *is* popular, people were pissed (and rightly so) mainly that AAA's character was being offed primarily to get him off the show for whatever reasons. People invest in the narrative, the arc, the storyline. Not every death has to be "meaningful", but every act has to fit thematically. The only equivilent to Eko's death that comes to mind is the demise of Poochy in "Itchy and Scratchy". Humorous in that case, pathetic (and telling) in this.
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i wouldn't be surprised if they lasted as long as the teacher guy who went to the Black Rock to get the dynamite last season.
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I agree, Eko was one of the most interesting characters, and I would most certainly would have kept him over the dumb bimbo and pretty boy. I have already expressed how I wish they would develope the characters they have and stop bringing in new ones. The "Others" I can understand bringing in as new characters, they are the villains, but the killing off of cool characters stinks... I still stand by my original post though, his death was awesome in that it revealed something important. The visions is the monster targeting people.
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"shitter works"
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This show is on the fast track to nowhere.... and they've now killed off the best character. Not to mention the whole "tailies" storyline was for no payoff as all of the tailes (except the now missing Bernard) are dead. I mean seriously, we've exchanged Mr. Eko, a Nigerian Warlord priest who waxes philosophical as easily as he chokes two Others to death at the same time for some nameless bimbo and a guy who needed to use the toilet?!? Not since Twin Peaks has a show gone from from so riveting to so pointless and meandering in one season's time. What a disappointment this season has turned out to be.
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Why would Benry's illness be a concern, I mean aren't they on the magical healing island. It worked for Locke and Rose? But not Ben? Geez, come on Lost writer's, I don't care if the plot is totally implausible, but at least keep it consistent....... the only way this would make sense is if it was some sort of ruse to trick Jack and test him somehow.
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they are pretty bad, esp. for a show that is successful in large part due to its cast ...
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Okay, first reactions aside. What if it's slowly revealed that all the tallies had to die (or be taken). Let's say Bernard bites it in 2007, it could introduce an interesting theme about fate. What if no one in the tail of the plane was suppossed to survive. That's the angle I would take if I were writing for this show, and possibly would be the only way to twist these deaths into something interesting.
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It would seem, to me at least, that every "supernatural" event on the island is targeted at redemption of some kind. Whatever miraculous events take place seem to have a purpose to their recipient. I would think it was there more as a test for Benry and Jack, myself. Jack's dilemma is easy to spot. I'm not sure what Benry's is.
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Looks like it.
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Mr. N's right. That's the only way for the tailies' deaths up to this point to make logical sense. Although I can foresee the show suffering from the lack of Eko's presence, taking the episode on its own merits, it was definitely the best one of the season so far. And Ben's cancer might not be cured because the faith healer told Rose that certain healing points on the earth don't work for everyone, like the one in Australia didn't work for her.
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garrisons man boobs
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...politics aside, these guys seem to watch a lot of old TV shows, play a lot of video games, and smoke a lot of something that's probably not FDA approved. I loved the Buck Rogers sequence, though.
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That shot of Ben on the operating table has me stoked for next week. Should be high-tension-high-concept drama at its best. The best thing about season 3 so far has been that it's made Jack interesting. Or at least, put him in an interesting situation.
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But to say the Tailies' story is invalidated ignores everything the Tailies did (or had done to them). I didn't read the spoilers, so I don't know what people believe the reasons are, but the method of Eko's death is clearly tied directly to the nature of the Smoke. If Eko had fallen into the river and drowned, or been eaten by the bear, or some other random death, I could get behind your argument more. But they made it important that this character die in this manner. Now, if they don't follow through, then okay, I'll agree that they suck.
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%$*^& producers and writers! i am so pissed right now! What would happen if a big chunk of viewers tune off in protest of ecko dying and the sucky addition of these two new characters?
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SPOILER ALERT... Oh well, another dead tailie. Maybe Akinnuoye-Agbaje had a DUI no one knew about. Bernard better watch his ass.
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Don't think I support that abortion of a plot.
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Noobs suck, even though Kiele is fine as hell.The guy Noob looks like K-Fed, and that makes him suck even more.Lockes line about him feeling stupid and then the Noob coming out of the crapper was the worst scene of the series PERIOD.The flashback was good, as well as how Ekcol died, but...THE FACT THAT HE DIED SUCKS MORE THAN ANYTHING COULD EVER POSSIBLY SUCK! DAMN YOU GUY THAT PLAYS EKCOL WHICH I WHO'S NAME I WON'T TRY TO SPELL! WHY DID YOU GET MIXED UP WITH THE PO-PO??? DAMN YOU ABC/WRITERS FOR NOT GIVING HIM AND LIBBY A SECOND CHANCE!!! DAMN YOU FOR WASTING OUR TIME, AND THEN GIVE US A GIANT F-U WITH THE NOOBS!!! AND DAMN YOU IF YOU ACTUALLY KILL OFF BENRY!!!
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OH...MY...SCIENCE! Sea Otters, we have the time child!
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And whipped it at my forehead.
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They would laugh as they smoked their cigars and counted advertising profits while the rest of America watched next weeks episode (including myself). But they would not be drinking! Nope, not Carlton "Christian-values" Cuse. Actually, I don't mean to demonize Chrisitans but this show is starting to resemble something that would fit on Fox Faith. The warlord that dies at the hand of the priest/smoke monster= total religious parrallel. You know, that time that Jesus killed that warlord when he was stuck on that island with John Locke the first.
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From Ausiello's blog on TVGuide.com
Lindelof: The honest answer is, this story was sailing for months before his brush with the law — which was widely blown up by the press. What actually happened is not anything remotely illegal. (FYI: The charges were later dropped.)
Cuse: When Adewale came on the show, he didn’t want to make a long-term commitment to a series. We love him and so we agreed that he would come on the show and then we would find a time in which his arc would come to an end. And we sort of felt after a lot of conversations with him — most of which took place at the end of the spring last year — that we would finish his character somewhere in [these first] six episodes. And as we started talking about what was going to really help the drama of these six episodes, we thought, “Well, this is the perfect place to do it.” As we said, we all kind of went into this [with the idea] that it was only going to be for a limited period of time. -
I know he doesn't do a lot on the show, but still... I don't want anyone from this show (writing/producing wise) to touch Trek. ESPECIALLY KIRK AND SPOCK!RED ALERT PARAMOUNT, DITCH J.J.!!!
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Sorry bout that.
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Desmond's clairvoyance must work only when there's a tent to fix, or when someone gives a speech...
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If he warned Eko and Eko didn't die, then he wouldn't have seen it in the first place, right?
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How nice of you to come to Mr. Olbermann's defense, who is only saying what he's saying to attempt to scrape a few ratings points off of O'Reilly. The man thinks he's far more important than he really is. P.S. It wasn't me who brought politics into this talkback, talk to paulh.
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oopps!
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No basis in fact, but from the brief glimpse afforded Eye Patch guy looks to be Andrew Divoff aka Wes Craven's Wishmaster..possibly.
RIP - Ecko character.
I think the prod/creat just played MYST one to many times..
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I've never once posted about this show, in fact, defended it to friends who were getting bored. But tonight sealed it...I'm done. Between the new "we're here to deliver exposition and T&A!" characters and the dull treatment of the characters we've grown to like...I'm done. The three people I still watch this show with agreed we're not doing it anymore. We're moving Lost night to Monday. For Heroes.
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according to wikipedia/lostpedia
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I wonder why Locke assumed that Eko was using the word 'you' in the plural when he whispered "You're next"...
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This may be it... just one insignificant death too many. At least Ana and Libby were worked into the plot, sorta... but then the useless addition of these two cyphers? Who are these people? Why would we care? This season is moving oh so slowly... even the flashbacks are crap. Locke was a Doobie Brother, Sawyer has a heart of gold, zzzzzz. and someone please give Jack a hanky, he looks like he might get weepy at any moment. Oh well, at least Capt. Fillion Reynolds will be on hand next week to spark up some real chemistry with Hot Kate.
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...when you pass the age of 12, you'll see that Juliet is plenty hot.
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The whole Eko storyline was really touching, sad and brutal. Coming out of the church fight scene was nasty!! "I'm not sorry, please understand" - No, you die.
The noobies are horrible. Attractive modelly human actors meant to.....look good. C'mon, studio!!! It totally breaks the spell. Really bad. Why?! This isn't desparate housewives or grey's antanomy. New characters could at least not looked like they stepped out of a gap ad. That's why Atrz was embraced. And he blew up. Hopefully the noobs will die soon in an interesting way too!!!
The Black Smoke is tremendous. Harryhausen-esque. It looked terrific!!!!! Better than in past eps. Tossin' Eko around like a rag doll. Poor Eko. What a bastard. He'll be back in eleven episodes.
Eye patch guy was spooky cool. He's watching you.....Ron Perlman? I don't have Tivo. That would be awesome!!!!!
Or the silence of the lambs "precious" guy.
Thumbs up all around, despite the noobs.
Lindelof, please kill them off in a horrible and exciting way!!! Only then will you be forgiven for buckling under what I assume is studio pressure to cast beautiful people.
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We've already seen a few island flashbacks. "Walkabout" comes to mind. Locke flashed back to the day of the crash when he wakes up on the beach. Then there is the "Tailies" episode covering their first six weeks on the island. All flashback. how about Claire's flashback to her time being imprisoned by The Others? We even saw one this season with Ben and the other members of the Dharma Cult witnessing the Oceanic crash.
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Daniel Roebuck probably got a traffic ticket an hour before the Black Rock scene in season one, which prompted Lindelof to call up the director on the spot, "Blow Arzt up!" and thus was born the famous scene. And Juliet is painfully hot. And Eden McNeil is a plant (for the bad guys).
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Daniel Roebuck probably got a traffic ticket an hour before the Black Rock scene in season one, which prompted Lindelof to call up the director on the spot, "Blow Arzt up!" and thus was born the famous scene. And Juliet is painfully hot. And Eden McNeil is a plant (for the bad guys).
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I have to admit, during the preview last week, I thought Patchy the Pirate was going to turn out to be Dr. Marvin Candle. Unless the image in todays episode was VERY distorted, I no longer think this is the case. Would be cool if he turned up on the island though, wouldn't it?
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Must have been a logic bomb.
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that one of the things that Juliet told Jack to ignore (from her cuecards) was 'you have to trust me'? It's like that paradox about everything I say is a lie, including that statement. And yes, she's smokin' hot if you're an adult. In other matters, I think Ecko's death was perfectly tied to the plot as it was the next step in figuring out the smoke monster. My only question is: what did the pilot do that was so bad? Now I did love Ecko as a character in himself (and his back story was great). But let's face it, he didn't really fit into the plot scheme at all. He was a plot device when the Tailies were brought into the picture - and later he was a foil for Locke when he was going through his crisis of faith. Locke's all better now, so really, there's not much need for him on the show to move it forward. And really his connection to every other character was tenuous. He was really on the island to work on his own demons, not to really connect with anybody (outside of the aforementioned Locke relationship). I'm not saying the newbies are anything vital (yet), just that I'm perfectly satisfied with the completion of the Ecko arc. Now bring on Malcolm Reynolds.
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the 2 new characters...let them die like arntz. felt like they stepped off a soap.
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sayid's back with no mention of their encounter with the others. why?
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Andrew Divoff. Wow, be caaaaareful what you, oh who cares!
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Alright, I'm tired, irritated, and going to bed but before I do, I might as well sum up everything I wrote earlier and currently feel: "Mr. Eko died on the way back to his home planet."
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I agree with those who say she can't be trusted. I may be wrong, but I suspect this is Ben's final 'test' for Jack. If Jack tells Ben about Juliette's betrayal, then Ben will know he can trust Jack to carry out the operation. Otherwise, Jack cannot be trusted. Whatever the truth is, I think we all know Ben is NOT going to die on the operating table. Having a "kinder, friendlier" Others wouldn't make for interesting storytelling.
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has really let me down. But hey, what do you expect from the ancestors of a monkey that had butt sex with a retard monkey? Gotta love South Park though.
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i'd be shitting my pants.
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...for a Lost Action figure depicting Mr. Eko coming out of the church dressed as a Priest covered in blood with a machete in one hand and a gun in the other....just wanted to throw that out in case McFarlane toys hadn't thought of it already.....otherwise, I loved the scenes with Jack tonight...I can't help but think that Juliet is setting him up though....maybe, just maybe there is no tumor on Ben and this is Jack's test to prove he's good? I mean, unless Juliet blows him while he eats a cheeseburger next week, I don't know how she could have convinced Jack to trust her and then kill a patient on the table with a few smiles, especially since Ben told him straight out that she was hand picked to make him break.....I think they are still trying to break him.....and I hope to God they are not killing Sawyer....I have a feeling the close of next weeks episode is going to be Sawyer with a gun to his head, cut to Kate's reaction and then we hear a gunshot and the episode ends and the Lost titles come up, so we don't know if Sawyer was shot, or someone was there to rescue him....
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out of Galactica playbook and do some kind of reboot, cause this ship is going down.
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naked having sex with angelina jolie on that shitty tv movie. End of discussion.
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...stop pretending Heroes is even in the ballpark with Lost. The characters on Heroes are one dimensional cardboard cut outs and I challenge ANYONE to tell me which character they have really connected with on that show...that show is all flash and sizzle with nothing else behind it....it's pablum for the masses and the fact...the only reason it's getting ratings is because people secretly wish they were superheroes and had powers...it's high concept and high concept only works so long before it fizzles out.....that last episode with Nikki's husband in the house was excruciating to sit and watch...Lost has never had moments that poorly written or conceived....I was waiting for her convict husband to pick up his son and stare him in the eyes and say, "I'm your father, Little Man. No one could ever change that"....the show is a ball of cliche....it's average at best and once the charm of Hiro wears off (and it will), the show will become more universally hated than Lost has ever been....
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they just got rid of all the black people? what the heck? yeah, seriously the asians are next. sheesh.
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Dammit, Ecko is gone. I thought his episodes were the best of the series.
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second season. At this point why even bother with the "previously on Lost." voice over/montage. Just say "previously on Lost, uh OH! Kate made her choice between Jack and Sawyer. Oh wait, nit really. Um...The Others have revealed their plan. What? They haven't? Shit. So far the tally of good vs. bad episodes reads like the Star Trek movie rule. Odd number ones=BAD. Even number ones=ok.
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He probably calls the flight attendants sexist names like "sweet cheeks", and smacked them on the ass when they brought him chicken dinner. The smoke monster saw lust in his heart, and took him right out of the cockpit of the plane. Continuing the theme of "Seven," later this season Hurley will pay for his sin of gluttony (hoarding food, shame shame) and be forced by the smoke monster to eat until he explodes.
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Gotta agree with Doc_Strange, that Eko's episodes were some of the best of the series. I'm glad they tied up his backstory, although, when that chick said "You owe Yemmi a church," I figured that was a sign that Eko was gonna continue his work on his church. Guess not...
I wonder though, if he'll be back, via spirit, to urge on Locke et al...
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People still haven't learned how to spell his name right. With me, folks: E-K-O. What, do you think we're leaving out the 'c' for shits and giggles? [/rant]
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The big secret of Lost is that the island is really the crashed remains of Battlestar Galactica; the smoke monster is the remnants of the machine cylons and the Others are the descendants of human-cylon cross-breeding.
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Arzt was only around for like five minutes at the end of season one before they killed him off, and yet he was ten times more likeable than both these Nikki and Paulo jokers put together. That's because he was brought into the story for having a use (he knew about dynomite) and they took time to give him personality. The two lost noobs were just kinda thrust upon us. They have no purpose and very very little personality. (p.s. Somebody call the Venture Brothers. I think the other hatch has a Ghost Pirate in it.)
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So i am not a big TV person, i would much rather watch a season on DVD at my own pace, but after checking out Lost this past summer, and finding out that the new season was starting soon, i decided to buy bunny ears for my 13'' tv and tune in. And So far this season. So far, ive been pissed with commercials, but overall enjoyed the season. Until 2 things happen, First i find out that the season takes a big break in the middle, for whatever reason, and then I catch spoiling wind of Eko's death. Eko being one of my fav. characters, i told myself that when that happens im done until the set comes out. But in my humble opinion, Eko's death tonight was somehow fulfilling, because not only do we get a bit of a reveal on the Smoke monster/visions, but it opens up all kinds of other questions. Why did it wait to kill Eko? Why didnt it kill him in the first confrontation? It judges people, and appears to them depending on its decision? And what makes locke see it as a Bright white light?? So if the smoke monster was portraying Jack's dad, why did it lead the survivors to water in S.1? This is what i love about the show, We beg for answers, and when they start to give us answers the answers they provide lead to more questions. It keeps me interested, i dont know about anyone else...
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...it grinds my gears when people make bold pronouncements like "this show doesn't know where it's going." I don't think I've ever really fully understood why that sort of behavior is attractive to people, but suffice it to say there's no evidence whatsoever to support the claim. "Eko died... this show doesn't know where it's going!" How do you figure? Based on all the disparate loose ends that were tied together in this episode, I'd say that there's a fairly good chance the writers know what they're doing (of course there's little evidence to support that claim at this point either). Which brings me to another thing: the fact that I have actually seen people, on *this* TalkBack, say "not enough answers" in response to tonight's episode is beyond belief. If any episode of the series proved that the show does dole out answers, it would be this one. You learned that the monster and the smoke cloud are indeed one and the same, that the monster is the source of people's hallucinations, what Locke saw when he looked into the monster's face, and why Eko began building a church. In ONE episode. So where's the beef? It's not a perfect show, and I'd be willing to concede to and advocate other criticisms, but the weekly chorus of people who accuse the show of providing no answers or direction are completely befuddling. Then again, it just makes them easier to ignore, I suppose.
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Remember when the found the water supply in season one and they found the two skeletons that appeared to have been buried with care? Who buried them? And who the hell WERE they? They can't be Others cause we just saw they set a pyre for their dead. Do think the writers will actually address that? Will they even remember?
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As unimpressive as the two newbies have been, I have to say Nikki's line tonight, and im not sure the exact quote of this, but where Locke said anyone who wants to go meet up by the tree line, and paolo says something to her, to which she replies, Hey, your the one always complaining about never being included" but the line did make me smile a bit, and in a far stretched logic it makes sense that with Jacks leadership the information was kept to a select few, while under Locke's open leadership ideas, that new people could step foward. Who knows, maybe they will turn out to be interesting yet, or provide a good death or 2.
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...anyone catch the battlestar reference in tonights episode? right before ms. garrison's revealing of her lovely breasts? im sure you guys did as it was fairly obvious, but i was the only one in the room watching who knew, my southpark friends are big into battlestar.. such a shame..
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the only thing we don't know is if the Others know about it. Which would be remedied if Jack asked any pertinent questions like, "Hey, what's up with the monster on the island?" Or, "If you can obtain a backround check on me, why can't you just tell someone to pick us up so we can leave you to whatever weirdo experiments you guys are running here.
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forgot about the monster killing the pilot and that smoke couldn't kill a person and blah blah blah. Well, tonight you saw it. Granted, it wasn't a bloody as the pilots death, but I think the smoke decided to just beat the fuck out of the man, not shred him. Maybe it didn't feel like making a mess. Regardless, every few episodes, someone brings up something that the writers "forgot", only to have it come back later and be addressed. Have a little faith. I'm sorry Eko's gone, but I liked how they wrapped up his story. A quick example that the writers know what's going on? Remember last season when his encounter with the smoke showed us images we hadn't yet seen? Particuarly the image of the woman with her head wrapped? The thugs in his flashback tonight shot a woman because Eko wouldn't bow to them. A woman in a head dress. Seriously, pay attention guys, these writers know what they're doing, they have things plotted out, at least somewhat. And SLDER78, there most likely are 2 sets of others... Alot of what we've seen has pointed to that.
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So I have just been watching the Beyond the Experience videos from the summmer, and im wondering how they will play out into the whole story. There has been a lot of big information in the videos, like the explanation of the the Dharma Iniative, the Numbers, and im not sure, but i am pretty sure the purposes of each of the 6 stations throughout the island. This is al ot of information that is left out to watchers of only the show who dont take the time to watch the videos online.
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It's hilarious to see people actually defending SMOKE. "Oh, smoke couldn't kill a pilot. It killed Eko." That's really, really... sad. Tonight's show was a joke. Killing Eko makes no sense, and the two new Losties, Kiele and Rodrigo (their real names) are written stupidly. I hate being that guy that bad mouths a show, but I'm doing it. "Lost" is lost. No one, not even the biggest fans of this show, can tell me that anything that's come since the first season has been as good.
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So... what? Do you "win" now? No, they haven't answered who the pair of skeletons are yet. But they just answered what Locke saw, which is a call-the-way-back to "White Rabbit" and also much less interesting of a mystery than Adam & Eve. I don't think they "forgot."
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when Lost is over and the answers to all those little loose ends turn out to be worth about one or two episodes of the twilight zone. I don't know if anyone has noticed but nothing has been revealed in two seasons and some change.
Oh look its a hatch whats inside, a mystery! Or look some other people, what are they a mystery! Oh look they stole a baby, why did they do that, a mystery!
Makes me think back to Alias where there were a similar amount of loose ends which in retropect were as banal as you get (I liked the show finale, but eternal life? For all the talk, the mystery, and the wandering and its frick'n indiana jones holy grail, with the falling greedy woman and everything).
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I'm sorry. Even if the original "plan" by the LOST production/writing team was to have Eko as only a temporary character...THINGS CHANGE. Don't we always hear from these jokers that while they (allegedly) have a general story arc, sometimes the story begins writing itself. This is sometimes due to the unexpected chemistry of a new character...and/or positive fan response. There is NO question that the Mr. Eko quickly became one of the most interesting, complicated and thought provoking character on the show. The producers had to know that the character, and the actor who plays him has resonated with the audience. Why the hell do they then proceed to "off" him??
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Sorry for being short-tempered with you. I think I've been reading too many of these "Lost" blogs over the past several weeks and have just grown weary with the same (unfair) complaints being lodged on a regular basis. Regardless, there are more diplomatic ways of saying what I meant, and you certainly don't deserve the drama, so I apologize.
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The creators are now officially full of shit. They say that old smokey is not a nanobot cloud, but they also say that everything will be explained by science. I personally hope it won't be explained by science because I liked it better when it had a supernatural vibe, but if it is all scientifically explainable then what else could the smoke monster be? Smoke has no substance and can't pick a man up and throw him around like a ragdoll. Nanobots, like in the book "Prey" could. I think the writers are seriously jacking us around and I'm about to the point of not caring any more and not watching.
Attention writers: One way you could prevent the loss of myself and other viewers--KILL THOSE DAMNED NEW PEOPLE QUICKER THAN YOU BLEW UP ARZT!!!!!!! There are enough characters and if we meet any more they better be Others or other Others--not more fusilage survivors, especially not as annoying as that Paulo bastard and the hot girl. -
Sorry to be so abrasive tonight, but I have no idea where this meme that everything on the show will be explained by science came from. EW's Jeff "Doc" Jensen confronted Lindelof and Cuse with that credo this summer and they had no idea what he was talking about.
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Oh yeah, and I think they killed eko prematurely. He was a good character and they seemed to wrap up his story too fast. At first I thought they were doing a pretty good job with it tonight until his death. I thought that at the end he would see what Locke saw before he died and tell Locke "you were right- it's beatiful" or something, but it just killed him. Does someone in a hatch control the smoke monster and use it to read thoughts and take the form of people's memories like Eko's brother so that they can judge people and kill whoever they think is bad? Eko's done some bad stuff, but on the island he seemed to be pretty decent and to have him go out that way really without anything hopeful or positive about his death really made me mad.
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You're right; I had gotten the impression that he had become a penitent while on the island, and the whole motif that was repeated this episode about Eko needing to face the music seemed rather out-of-context.
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About the science of it--I could be wrong but I thought I read it in EW when the purgatory explanation was brought up that they said there was nothing supernatural about it and everything would be explained with science. Maybe I just heard it on here and someone was misquoting. I hope that's the case, because I think any attempt at explaining all that has happened on this show w/ science will be totally ridiculous.
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...as I said, I don't know where it came from. I've heard a lot of people repeat it, the "everything will be explained with science" thing, but I don't think I ever discovered its source. I did read the interview between Jensen and the executive producers where they denied it though; it was either on thetailsection.com or ew.com.
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As much as I dug Eko (and he was certainly the first/most interesting character added to the regular cast list during Season 2), from a writing perspective I think it totally makes sense. Whether it was intended to play out this way or not, it seems pretty obvious to me that Eko was introduced as a "Season 1 Locke" substitute. After S1, pretty much everybody agreed that Locke was the best character on the show. So for S2, the show bumps him up from Enigmatic Supporting Character basically to a co-lead. However, they wanted to cover their bases so they needed to fill that Enigmatic Supporting Character role... Enter Eko. And now EKO's the most interesting character on the show. But guess what? Turns out Locke is a lot less interesting when he's front and center. Even Terry O'Quinn commented during an interview that he wanted to get back to the cool S1 Locke character. But you don't really need TWO of those... so, exit Eko. I think the episode worked great and it will hopefully allow the show to put Locke back where he belongs -- the man behind the mystery. The guy who knows a lot of the answers, but isn't telling.
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Man... my friend and I just thought about the religious implications of tonight's episode, and it sort of blew our minds.
So Eko dies tonight. Pretty big deal. But did anybody else notice that the smoke monster sort of made a "hand" and grabbed Eko. Sort of like "the hand of GOD".
But then we were thinking, what did Eko do that was so bad, all he said was that he was "PROUD" of what he did... and then it hit us...Pride is one of the deadly sins.
Then we thought about all the major castaways who died. Ana Lucia's sin was Vengeance. Shannon's was Vanity. Boone's was Lust. Eko's was pride.
I'm sure there's some holes in our theory, but dammit if there aren't some heavy religious themes going on here...
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Locke didn't change because he was front and center. He changed because he lost his faith. (But you could still argue that because Locke has regained his faith Eko had to be beaten to death by the Evil Dead. Wait and see. There's a cabin somewhere on that island where Benry unwittingly read from the Necronomicon.)
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Does the morality the writers present on "Lost" make anybody else uncomfortable? I don't know, I kind of don't like the callousness with which characters are dispatched based on whether or not they're "good people."
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Sorry, didn't mean to say his place on the show changed his personality, just that his character worked best/was most intriguing when he was operating more in the shadows. Somebody like Jack or Sawyer, you put them in the shadows, they don't work -- they're big archetypal characters (the hero, the antihero). But with Locke... I forget how O'Quinn put it, but something like he missed "the Locke who hunted boar and knew the island's secrets". When he became more of a main character, complete with Lost Faith storyline (which never quite worked for me), he just sort of started seeming like everybody else. He lost that enigmatic quality that made his stuff so cool. Not-Great Analogy: The Cigarette-Smoking Man on X FILES. The more he came to the forefront of the show (going from silent enigma to speaking role to having his own episode), the less interesting he became within the conspiracy. Just one man's opinion...
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It doesn't strike me as a matter of the writers' perspective -- "Morality" or, more specifically, "Goodness" seems to be one of (if not THE) chief concerns of the Island/the Dharma Initiative/the Others/etc. They haven't spelled it out yet, but it seems to me that the issue of "what makes a 'good' person" and the justice/injustice of punishing a person according to that subjective judgment is the heart of the whole show.
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He flew them to the island. Intentionally.
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So, Cerberus was likely taking the form of Jack's father in the first season as well, eh? Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul Ed Zybul
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and it's going through the seven deadly sins...and lust took out boone etc. then shouldn't hurley have been smote for gluttony or greed? or sayid for wrath? or some random dude for sloth? i don't think that holds up. it's a red herring or something.
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I'm running for school board where I live and a few days ago I started running a commercial on local TV. You can watch it at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLl99oidfkg Right after LOST tonight a friend called up and talked about how Juliet's "movie" and my ad were so much alike. Anyway, really good episode... but they've sure gotten rid of one of the most compelling characters on the show. Still, it can't be said that they're only offing Redshirts on LOST...
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... is a sign that the writers have painted themselves into a corner. Sadly, watching Lost these days is like watching that paint dry.
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... are rewrites of Shannon and Boone. Lost has jumped the shark.
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I'd love it if he turns out to have another alias just to watch the "Benry"-lovers go into seizures trying to think up a new name.
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Another tragically wasted opportunity to throw a scene in with Claire emerging from an ice-cold swim in nothing but a flowing white t-shirt. These guys have no idea how to draw ratings.
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Where is standing in front of it and if you look very carefully and they did wind the tape you can see images of Mr Eckos family. Back in Africa. Check and see for yourselves.
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I could see him turning away from his fellow Lostaways and now just wanting to do whatever to get off the island. So maybe he and Sawyer have switched attitudes -- Jack could be thinking it's every man for himself. And maybe Jack has just grown fed up with most of his comrades (e.g., Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Charlie), which I personally could sympathize with. Also, he saw that Henry apparently kept his deal with Michael. So why should Jack trust Juliet? And why would he care to be involved in the midst of The Others' inner squabble? "Screw everybody -- I just want to get off this damn island!"
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How could Desmond not see Eko's death coming? Who said he didn't? He asked Locke if he was going for Eko and Locke gave him the two birds with one stone line. Well, the intent of Desmond's question might not have been about where Locke was running to on the island physically but rather what was Locke's priority the hatch or Eko. So far he has known Locke would give a certain speech and he knew to set up a lightening rod. So he's only used his powers to "help" once and that was to protect and innocent baby. Consider this: Desmond was at ground zero of the hatch madness. It didn't seem he should have even lived. So... who says he did live? Who's to say "Desmond" isn't some element of the island's smokey doppleganger? Then his asking Locke about Eko or the hatch becomes more of "it" confirming Eko would in fact be left alone by Locke.
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I'm in agreement with Herc, I find Elizabeth Mitchell SUPERHOT!! Hmm I think the 1st time I saw her was in Gia but I'm not for sure. She might not be there on a Jolie or Rebecca Romijn level, but whatever reaason I find her almost there. I have alwasy thought Elizabeth Mitchel was super hot.
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That South Park was fantastic. They're ending a weak first half of the season with some strong stuff.
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I kind of agree with Mr Ribbons that this idea of morality on the island may become uncomfortable. It's clearly a running theme - black vs white, we're the good guys, he wasn't a good person, etc. I have thought for a while that the flashbacks are not a storytelling device - that they're prompted by the island itself to encourage the lostaways to choose a particular path. This new insight into the smoke monster (becoming Ecko's brother, not to mention a mighty hand of smite) lends that idea some credence, I think. Add that to the Dharma's desire to use behavioural conditioning to somehow improve human nature, and I guess you get the notion that island wants people to be 'good'. Who defines 'good', though? I don't know. Any thoughts?
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So I missed the link - I went north from Fort Mason to the island. Big fucking deal, my calculations were correct on size, trying to offer some perspective, I just linked to the wrong island in the bay. Honest mistake, not an attempt to mislead. Why don't you try bringing something to the conversation? I smell a troll!
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AAA did NOT get a DUI. He just forgot his license. Once he showed he had a driver's license, all charges were dropped; that would NOT happen for a DUI: http://www.showbuzz.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/09/27/people_hot_water/main2043281.shtml
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Sayid is back, but where the heck were they? Sun killed somebody. With a trident. I saw that. I really, really think Juliet is the real threat on this island, not Ben. And what was up with the Viking funeral? There's not enough room on the island for a cemetary? And the white shirts? At a funeral? I'm sure there is a culture somewhere in the world where white is worn for funerals and does that mean something to the islanders?
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Great idea, didn't see that coming. I'm sad to see Eko go, but at least he got to go out in a blaze of glory. Refusing to "confess" was awesome. So I haven't read the whole thread, but now it really looks like all the dead people who appear on the island probably aren't hallucinations, but illusions created by the monster. So far I'm just annoyed by Nikki and Paulo, but we haven't seen where they're going with them yet. I'm still skeptical, but so far all the new characters they've brought in have been pretty damn good. Ribbons - the whole "good people" thing is a major part of the show. It's not who the writers think are good people, it's who the monster and the others think are good people. I think the point is to show how fucked up the whole judgement thing is, not to endorse it. And ABC REALLY needs to keep a better lid on their spoilers, Eko dying was probably the worst kept "secret" in TV this year. I almost wonder if they want people to find out before seeing it?
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If Ben's plan all along (for two and a half seasons) was to get Jack to think they were the good guys, what was the point of kidnapping Claire, Stealing Walt, and Ben lying about who he really was? It's a trap... and that's going to be the real cliffhanger next week.
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EVERYTHING YOU SEE WILL BE UNDONE! Hatch...gone. Tallies... dead. Time...waisted. I'm completely convinced they are making it up as they go along. The biggest giveaway was introducing Libby as a mental patient posing as a psycholgist and possibly stalking Hurley. Then they kill her and she is never mentioned again.
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that's my theory at least. he'll leave the island next week - and save Ben, betray Juliet. Audiences will gasp. then sometime towards the end of the season become racked with guilt, track down Michael, discover Penelope and they will somehow all lead to a huge search in Season 4. then again he could also kill Ben and team up with Juliet to rule LOST islands peacefully but then that would mean the end of the series. or he could kill Ben and she could betray him.
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http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2006-11-01-eko-lost_x.htm
Eko is monster mash
Last season, Lost's Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) looked the island's mystical monster straight in the eye and lived to tell about it. Last night on the ABC drama, Eko wasn't so lucky — the monster killed him.
That makes Eko the last of the tail-section survivors introduced last season to perish, after Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and Cynthia Watros' Libby were shot by Michael (Harold Perrineau). With the departures of Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Perrineau and Malcolm David Kelley (Walt), there are no series regulars who are black.
Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written off the series. After losing both parents last year, he wanted to return to his London home and work on a film he'll direct.
Elizabeth Mitchell, who plays Juliet, got to know him off the set. “We got along really well,” she says. “He's about to direct his first movie about his life, which is an incredible story. He'll be missed.” -
Whatever happened to him and Rose anyway?
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Years from now, people will remember last night's episode of LOST as the point where everything goes straight down the crapper.
If AAA was done playing Eko, fine, but bringing in Exposition Girl and Take A Shit Guy as replacement characters isn't going to work unless TASG or EG turns out to be a secret Special Ops agent into Zen philosophy or something. There are too many characters who either need to be killed off (Claire, Charlie) or given more screen time (Sayid, Locke, Desmond, Hurley) and the writers bring in two noobs for more flashbacks that pad out the overall storyline another couple of weeks or so.
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It seems to me all of the primary characters who have died have found some sort of redemption. Boone finds confidence in himself by going up into the aircraft - it crashes to the ground. Shannon finally trusted someone in Sayid - immediately shot by AnaL. AnaL chooses not to take vengence on Henry - shot by Michael. Eko confronts his guilt over his brother - killed by monster. Not sure how Libby fits in, but we also never got her whole story.
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to lose one of the most interesting and complex (I don't care if he's popular) characters. But when has Lost ever made good narrative decisions?
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Whereas I'd actually pay money to see the smoke thing body-slam Charlie into dust. Fucking lisping hobbit piece-of-shit.
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First off I enjoyeed Eko's character and I think he was done well and had a complete arc.The noobs are stupid but they'll get better hopefully.
Desmond is here still and that is good. Jack has an awesome arc so far this season which he lacked last as does Locke.
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... why even add Eko's character? That was all pointless. Ana Lucia too. This is insane. Why am I still watching? And did they actually do a flashback to a flashback in this episode? Eko was having a dream in the tent and we flashback to Eko's first episode's flashback. Are you serious? Can you even do that? Is that shit allowed? Why not just have that stuff in the "prviously on"? I mean, really!!! Can you do a flashback to a flashback?! And I don't mean in the scope of just the show LOST... but... I mean... can you do that in anything... anywhere... anytime? This show had so much promise that first season, and now they just seem content to jugg fuckle characters and plotlines that I enjoy until there's nothing left.
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... 'cause this show just jumped the shark!
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They said they had 22 survivors in the tail- one died, about 15 kidnapped (11 on the list they found and the kids), the shmuck who Goodwin killed, the stewardess, AL, Libby, Bernard. Eco.
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Seriously who didn't think the one biting it this week was the last one to get into trouble. Is their shooting scedule that tight that they can make a snap decison like that (get a DUI- get killed)? Plus WHY does it take well into the thrid season for us to see ANOTHER island, let alone the fragment of statue we saw last season? Didn't ANYONE in the plane crash even suggest a walk around to MAKE SURE they were even on an island in the first place? "OOPS, plane crashed- we MUST be on an island" is probably the biggest logic lapse in MANY this show is suffering from. C'MON FOLKS this is the guy Paramount is "trusting" the the Trek franchise to??? Especially after the bocx office of MI3?!? I WANT HIS AGENT!!!
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and hopefully they will axe these new characters. They are just soooooo distracting. Nikki especially, shes just so dumb and happy all the time. What is the point. She just walks around "lalalala I have a bright shirt, LOOK AT ME" Its annoying. The other guy is meh. Just wierd they got rid of all the black people. WHAT I DO LIKE is when the writers have the characters interact. I really like seeing Desmond, Locke, and Sayid plotting. They are all really cool characters and just their banter back and forth is awesome. I would rather watch them talk to eachother then see anything else. Fox is doing a great job with Jack as usual, at least that part of Lost is somewhat fascinating.
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God - what a shitty episode. Where to begin? Let's start with Locke: "Hey everybody! We're going on a potentially dangerous mission, but what the hell! Everyone can tag along - it'll be fun! Even those of you with no experience or training whatsoever who could get snuffed in an instant or lost in the jungle!" Say WHAT?! Locke, the hunter/tracker who primarily works ALONE to move quicker and use stealth as an ally? WTF?! THAT friggin' plothole was bigger than Rosanne's giney opening. Next - Noobs. "Hi, I'm 'got to take a shit for comedic relief guy!' "Hi, I'm 'you fuckers are so detail oriented, yet missed these other monitors so I'll point them out to you' girl!" WHAT?! So - Locke, who's so detail oriented he essentially wrote an entire map of the island FROM MEMORY (blacklight blast door) didn't think to check THE OTHER FUCKING MONITORS?! Yeah. Whatever. Finally, killing Eko - probably one of the top three compelling characters - was ALSO dumb. His flashback was pointless - the only compelling thing was the smoke monster/whatever the fuck it is (no more "mechanical" sounds when it moves? Now it's making "animal" sounds? It's not tearing apart the trees when it moves?) taking the shape of his brother. Speaking of which - at least they managed to sweep a few more mysteries under the rug (how did his brother's plane end up on the island?). Seriously - this ep reached a new "the emperor's new clothes" peak.
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That is the oldest excuse to get rid of a character in Hollywood. Unless it's a situation that has been highly exposed in the press (like the Suzanne Somers situation), studios almost always claim that an actor leaving was a 'mutual' arrangement. Saying an actor was 'fired' makes the studio look like a pack of orgres. It also saves the actor from looking bad too. This is why they suddenly claimed that Ana-Maria was 'supposed' to be a one-season deal, despite the fact that fans hated her with a passion and her role as a romantic interest for Jack was never played out.
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Has anyone advanced the theory that the smoke monster is a cloud of artificially intelligent nanobots? That would explain why it can take different forms and emote.
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You're always going to assume "fired" any time someone leaves a show? And in this case, AAA's parents both DIED. I think that's a pretty serious reason to make some changes in your life.
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1. Last weeks ep ended in a bit of a suprise, when Ben reveals to Sawyer that they have another little island (other-catraz) that is unseen from their island. SO what if their were numerous islands around this one that we havent seen? The one thing that may fit into this would be the wall of monitors at the pearl station. This ep, it showed a screen with a bunker w/ computers, kinda like the hatch in season 2. Mebbie those screens are monitors for hatches in other islands?
2. When Ben stated that he had a perfect plan for braking Jack, and that it all went to hell when Jack saw the x-rays, i was like "nope, no way. Jacks still being played" They HAVE to be acting like they didnt want him to see it, and even the cue card video has to be part of it, to make him think one way, while its just part of the overall plan. -
I have to agree with everyone else concerning this new pair of characters that have been thrust upon us. They should have been phased in rather than suddenly popping out of nowhere and trying to stand with the main characters without earning the spot. They feel almost like a pair of afterthoughts who were tossed into a random script at the last second. Other than these two, my only other real complaint about this season is that there is too much focus on The Others. The Others work better as a mystery. Also, this focus means that Jack, Kate and James are getting TONS of screen time at the expense of the other characters. They have become the 3 Stooges of this series.
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Why bother with the elaborate video ruse? If they want Ben dead, let him die. He has a cancer that will kill him. Don't operate, he dies I know there are people who like his "rule" but honestly, how silly. I am unimpressed, and for the first time since episode 1, season 1, I did others things while the show was on. Boo.
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Yep. That theory is very, very old. And has been shot down by the makers of LOST.
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You just made Read and Shut Up look like an idiot. Which, admittedly isn't hard, but still, good job.
Locke's character has always been like that. "Don't tell me what I can't do" If Locke feels this way about himself, Im sure he feels everyone should have a choice. -
Eko (the actor) lost both his parents this year and asked to be written off the show. So the writers, in all their laziness, have a puff of smoke kill him. How convenient.
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While I agree that the video is most likely part of a ruse or, at the very least, a test for Jack, I CAN understand why it might be real. Look at it this way: IF Juliet is telling the truth in those cards, that means she probably doesn't want Jack or the other 2 stooges hurt or killed. If Jack does nothing, then those who are loyal to Ben will probably kill them for not helping. If Jack puts on a show of effort and Ben dies anyways, whoever takes over from Ben will have an easier time keeping Ben's followers in check. ("At least Jack tried, right?") But I don't think anyone seriously believes that Ben WILL die. Unless Ben answers to a superior, his death will unbalance the story. (Has anyone wondered why this island doesn't cure him like it did others on the island? Maybe it only cures the worthy?)
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was probably because he is watching them talk constantly....and she doesnt want to get killed or something. It would be much simpler to make it an accident then wait it out and let the cancer take effect.
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with that in mind, he should defiently be called "Take a Shit Guy". As for Juliet being hot, my God, you guys are assholes if you think you can deny her hotness. Ya'll aren't stating personal taste, ya'll are just being haters.
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In case you didn't put 2 and 2 together, the Smoke Monster takes many different shapes. I think we can assume it was Jack's Dad, Locke's light, Eko's and Charlie's smoke and Eko's brother, Maybe even Hurley's friend Dave. Also revealed in this episode, the smoke monster kills those that are off their lives path. Killed the pilot because he was literally off path. Spared Locke because he was supposed to understand "the island". Spared Eko because before he was on his path. And now, as we learned in the flashback, Eko had 2 purposes, 1. push the button, and 2. Build a church for his brother. Eko was failing at both. Therefore, dead. The flashback was genius and I can't believe you didn't do the parallel math, Read and Shut Up.
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I know the creators of the show rejected that theory, but if the smoke monster isn't nanobots, that means it's some kind of fucking magical creature. Didn't they say everything on the show was grounded in hard science. Also, does anybody else remember near the end of the first season, during some interview, Lindelof and Cruse said that when they were conceiving the show Abrams said he wanted there to be a hatch on the show, and when asked what it was for, he told them 'we'll figure it out later.' That single comment should shed enough light on the show's 'creative process' to warn us off a bit.
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with morpheos unplugging from the matrix claiming he has found the next"one"
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"Bro, I got a great idea! Let's give a tumor to ...um...wait, I had it...to that one guy...oh shit! Pass the bong. We can decide who later."
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Oh no!
Did the producers kill a slightly interesting, yet entirely one dimensional character you grew to like?
A character solely written into the show as a plot device and foil for some of the other characters?Awwwww. You poor schmucks. Welcome to TV.
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I can't tell if the others are just totally playing Jack from every angle (which I think they are), or if there is some truth to Juliet's note cards. My wife is apathetic to the show because she can't trust *anything* that the others say. Being able to trust some of it makes when them lying more of a surprise. But when every damn word is a lie there is nothing to keep you interested. Anyway, I think the best thing for the plotline is for Juliet to be telling the truth so the viewers can learn to believe future "other" trickeries..
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but now supposedly they have the show figured out. Then someone woke up in a bad mood one day and decided to throw new characters in there.
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I am getting sick of this show. Constant turns in the story. Most of the characters seem expendable, and honestly after 3 seasons i still have a good understanding of what is special about the island. They introduce the others, but keep adding more questions.
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Beginning of this season, they encounter a character missing an eye. Do you fuckers really think they're just making this shit up with no intention of closing any plot threads? Last night we: Saw one of the ways that the smoke monster kills people, discovered who the woman was in the eko's smoke last season, found out why he was building a church. Plus, Eko's character arc pretty much finished. I agree that it kind of sucks that he's off the show, but this plot is going places, and the writers know what they're doing. That hatch comment above proves nothing. THE WRITERS HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT THEY KNOW THE BROAD STROKES OF THE PLOT ALREADY, BUT THE SMALLER THINGS, THINGS LIKE LOCATIONS, CERTAIN CHARACTERS, DEATHS, ARE DECIDED ABOUT ONE SEASON IN ADVANCE. SO WHILE THEY KNOW NOW WHERE THE SHOW IS GOING TO END UP, THEY DON'T KNOW WHO IS GOING TO SURVIVE TO SEE IT. PAY ATTENTION.
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I think they are already WAY off the path of 'Hard Science'. Hard science doesn't involve electromagnetic epicenters healing tumors and paralysis. Even if the 'smoke' was nanobots, Hard Science can't explain why it knows the characters innermost thoughts and histories. It can't explain why ANYONE survived that crash with *mostly* minor injuries, or why a bunker can explode/implode and not really phase the people inside, or the numerous dream-visions certain chracters have received (like Locke seeing the drug plane crash). About the only thing Hard Science CAN explain is why Locke can turn hairspray into a flamethrower. LOL
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Season 1 - trees were uprooted, people were mauled, etc. Season finale, lock was grabbed and pulled by something we couldn't see. You hear mechanical sounds like ratcheting. Season 2 - smokey introduced, I don't remember any mechanical sounds. Season 3, last night. Eko is attacked by smokey accompanied by subtle mechanical ratcheting. Are we to assume that smokey is the tree-thumping-piolet-eating "thing"?
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In the writers and producers of Lost! ok, if AAA wanted to be written out, that's his purogative. Losing both parents is not an easy thing to live with. But my beef is with the 2 throw away character of Nikki and Paulo. Where were they the first 2 seasons, just a couple of the people you see in the background but never spoke? And why did the writeres feel that nikki had to explain to Paulo (but more realistically the audience) that the plane is where Eko's brother died, it was like an episode of pop up video! Hopefully those two actors go on a drunk driving killing spree, that way they will be killed off for sure!
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... obviously studio or network meddling. "Since Ana-Lucia didn't work out, we need another Latin character, let's put in a hunky Brazillian or some such... someone from one of those telenovellas... the hispanic demographic eats up those shows on Univision! And all the female characters are too dark... we need a perky Rachael Ray type... and kill off Eko, because the audience expects the black guy to get bumped off..." Sorry guys... shark... jumped... with extreme prejudice. As of now, I'll no longer be watching!
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He was arrested for operating a vehicle without a license and disobeying a police officer. The charges were dropped. Lets move off this theory - SERIOUSLY. I personally thought "The Cost of Living" was a great episode. While I am upset to see Eko go, I think his demise will hopefully unlock other ideas for the characters and storylines for viewers - the point of a great TV show like LOST.
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But I think she WANTS to be the leader of the others and is tired of playing second fiddle to Benry. Oh, and she is freaking Leia-in-the-bikini hot too
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I'll buy the "smoke monster takes different shapes" theory, but the "off the path" theory doesn't hold water. Why didn't the smoke monster kill Charlie who had a run-in with the thing - a guy WAY off the path for two seasons? And sparing Eko because he "failed" to push the button and build the church? Nope - he DID push the button until Locke smashed the computer and WAS building the church - so, using your logic LOCKE should've been killed.
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I can't remember. And Juliet probalby is setting up Jack, but the point where you'll know who is lying and who is the more sinister is the point when Jack makes his decision about who to trust. Since the writers have not let him make a good decision in ages, you just know he'll make the wrong call. Since the Others almost always beat the Lostaways, then you Jack will be made a fool of once again. It would be nice, however, if Jack turns the tables on both Ben and Juliet, and successfully orchestrates the escape of himself, Kate, and Sawyer. Or, even better, the efforts of Jack/Kate/Sawyer could be in conjunction with the rescue efforts of Locke and Sayid. I just want to see the core group of Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Locke/Sayid get the best of the Others for once. And yes, as others have pointed out, one of the consistently annoying features of the show is how the characters somehow avoid asking the most obvious questions, both of each other, and especially of the Others. Overall, this latest episode was okay, but the best of the season so far was 3 and 4.
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She was dating or engaged to him and somehow her father got in the way. We don't know all the details yet but at the conclusion of last season it is assumed that she is searching for the island or Desmond. And am I the only one who thinks Nikki is hot and am happy she's on the show since I can't stand Claire and Kate is basically spending the entire season in a bear cage as a reaction to whatever f-ed up trick the Others do to Sawyer this week.
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Why would Kelvin lie to Desmond (a stranger to him at the time) about Radzinsky blowing his head off with a shotgun? Unless Radzinsky used someone else's body to shoot the head off of to cover his escape. But then what was he escaping from? Certainly not the hatch itself, since it appears he's in another one.
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EVERY character on this show is one-dimensional. Yes I watch, don't hate, but never think for a minute this isn't straight pulp. Every character is entirely one-dimensional and has a backstory that would make soap-opera writers cringe, the most ridiculous dramas and 'traumas' in their pasts, and these soapy backstories pretty much entirely define a character's personality.
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was that the island's little tricks weren't controlling him anymore. The manifestation of his brother wasn't able to get him to confess, and that's the moment that it revealed itself as something other than his brother. Of course, by that logic, Hurley should have died for refusing to jump off the cliff.
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is because this time, in the moment the monster confronted him, he was AFRAID (even if only for a moment).
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Sorry to see him go, but a cool way to depart. I wish that the producers could thin the herd without feeling the need to replace exiting characters. No Sun and Jin tonight, no Kate and Sawyer, but we get "Take a shit guy" and Nikki (who can stay if she starts sporting a bikini ala Shannon). Wouldn't the story arc be so much stronger if, as the seasons went on, the survivors were killed off or departed for whatever reason, leaving a feeling of desperation amongst those remaining? Adding new faces when old ones depart causes a lot of the emotional impact to be squashed (especially when the new characters are these cardboard cutouts).
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Yes, the Tailies were expendable. On Lost, everyone is expendable. These are people in a dangerous situation who make bad decisions and might just die.
Yes, the new characters were just hanging around and didn't saw anything for the first 2 seasons. That's the point. More people than the "heroes" (always a problematic word on Lost) survived and, hopefully, have stories worth telling.
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The Shield, The Wire, Epitafios, Battlestar (so far), V.Mars... Basically, a lot of serial narratives satisfactorily resolve ongoing storylines. Just not shows created by JJ Abrams.
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I swear you people are so damn impatient. I think it's interesting to have two characters that are totally out of the loop and finally saying all the things that so many people have been saying. They might go somewhere. And besides, they're NOT there to somehow replace Eko. They're totally different characters with different purposes. As I said before, Eko - while a great character - had absolutely nothing to do with the main plot anymore nor was he connected to the other characters. He had his own arc that was satisfactorily complete. And this whole bullshit about season 2 being a waste - some people are just so damn short sighted. The main plot and our main characters have progressed so far because of the hatch and the influence of the tailies. And we haven't even seen the long term consequences of all this. Instant gratification just ain't gonna happen. It's a broken record, but you gotta keep sayin it.
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I'm on the side that Juliet is conning Jack. When we see her in the opening episode she is crying. It can be surmised by what Ben told Jack that two days earlier she found out that Ben had a tumor. Why should she be crying about someone she is now considering killing?
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Did Smoke Monster enter Eko's dreams as Yemi? He might have. But the ghost/soul of Yemi had already appeared to the Australian psychic's daughter when she was between death and life. She had a message specifically for Eko. So who contacted Eko in 23rd Psalm? And was it really Boone's soul who contacted Locke in his sweat lodge dream? Or Smokey. If the Monster can enter dreams, is it truly of the island or does it have far reaching capabilities? Did it insert itself into the daughter's near death experience and perhaps Hurley's sanitarium hallucinations. Maybe Libby is just a manifistation of the Monster. Maybe she was at the Lake where the psychic's daughter drowned. Again, while seemingly giving us answers, Lost just created more questions last night.
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Perhaps Smokey is Guiya (sp) the soul of the earth who can manifest herself physically only at strategically placed outlets across the globe, the island being the strongest?
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NO. Not when they get more lines than Jin, Sun, Kate and Sawyer in an episode. Fuck Bimbo Girl and Guy Who Shits In Hatches.
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It's interesting because the Smoke Monster seems to be afraid of Locke. He had "the beautiful bright light" remember? And Ecko had "nothing like that." Maybe the Smoke Monster, in some way, represents Hell or suffering.
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'nuff said.
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For a while the mob seems happy and then the mob turns if say s show like lost moves too slowly or bringing new people in who there before. Or there is the who comic book film thing, the ainc mob dont like it when a studio mess up their favurite comic book.
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Maybe we were impatient at first, but after last night I cant help but have a bad taste in my mouth. These characters dont have chemistry with anyone, its obvious. They came out of nowhere, thats not interesting, its wierd. In most cases its bad to pass judgement so early, but these characters are horribly written. This nikki chick exhumes ignorance.
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Isn't that the same woman that was drugging Walt and Michael Last year? And the noobies? Red Shirts I think.
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The smoke monster looked like an anteater, kinda similar to the 'anubus' from SK's Kingdom Hospital. The 'anubus' was a judger of souls and would often eat those who it deemed 'unworthy' of life...at least on that show. In some religions, this 'anubus' actually exists, is an anteater and serves the role of judge, jury and executioner. It seemed so last night. ALSO, Andrew Divoff was the eyepatch guy...NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! Maybe he can grant them a wish to get off the island...FOR THEIR SOUL!
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So anyone who's afraid of Smokey buys the farm? So the Smoke Monster is basically the Man-Thing! To quote Cartman, "Weak!"
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Never, ever type in English again.
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on Sacrifice. or at least the principle of sacrifice. Hence the older characters are getting killed off to be replaced with the newer younger characters. Hurley is insane. we all know this. I am sure that HUrley has a dark side. The islander will use this against him moore. remember the food. He had an imaginary friend who nearly brought him to the brink. He met libby, who he knew from the hospital. Henry's group knew she was insane, they manipulated Micheal into killing her, he killed ana-lucia because henry's group ordered him to do because they she had killed two of thier. Libby and Ana-lucia had to be sacrificed. I posted earlier about Mr Ecko and the smoke monster. Richard and judy showed the clip where Ecko face down the smoke monster. if you look at the smoke monster it is made of images of Eckos past. Namely his family. Ecko had seen the smoke monster already and it was black. Ecko was a drug lord. There are some characters who are representative of the seven deadly sins.
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if youre DEAD..........
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At the funeral, Juliet said "Bye Jack", maybe nothing but thought that was strange. Something's not right
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Get rid of it already, it's as if they are using it as a crutch so they don't have to make the current story progress at a normal pace. In the first 6 minutes there were 2 flashbacks and then it cut straight to commercial. That's pretty annoying. I do admit that while I do have my gripes about the show I will keep watching because I am interested in how things will end, but it's frustrating to say the least.
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I've been with this show since day one. But how come I'm growing increasingly bored with it? Last week: rabbits and pacemakers. This week: the petty Others as a disfunctional cult and the death of Mr. Eko. What gives? I can understand something needed to be done if AAA asked to be written out of the show. That kind of binds the hands of the writers/producers. But what a WASTE of one of the most compelling characters of the show! His arc was apparently meaningless! Don't get me wrong - I was just as excited to see "Smokey" as everybody else. But even that could't save what is shaping up to be an overwrought and indulgent 3rd season. There is no way "Smokey" or the conclusion of this show is going to pay off. Not at this rate anyway. I'm bummed because I really liked this show and now I don't mind missing episodes. Oh well. Thank the gods for Battlestar Galactica.
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Mr. Nice Gaius pretty much nails my sentiments here, especially the waste of Eko's character. Well done, you wacky ol' Cylon callaborator you...
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that next week's episode better have something cool planned. Didn't the creatyors say everyhting was going to change between that episode and when it returns in Jan. I'm fine with the show'd direction and pace but I'm worried some of you patientless dicks won't come back unless there is a huge fucking gigantic twist in the next episode.
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Thanks. As for collaborating, you know how hard it is when you are constantly tempted by 6 feet of blonde, Nordic/Cylon strange.
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should probably be phased out for the main characters who have already had a ton of flashbacks, but not for newer characters like Ben, Juliet or even Desmond and of course one about the island would be good. eventually we'll see one about Paolo or Nikki which is unfortunate. also, speaking of the new characters, what they should have done and should start doing now is reference other castaways without ever showing them. they sort of do that occassionally. then when they want to introduce a new character it doesn't totally come out of nowhere.
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Mr and Mrs Shoehorn???? At least when Arzt got randomly thrown into the cast, he had a goddamn point. All these two do is... something. I'm not sure what.
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...is lucky that toilet DID work...cause otherwise he'd have been toting his poopage back up that ladder. Maybe he KNEW it'd work. Discuss.
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In the case of "Lost," "good" seems to mean "indeterminate god fearing." Jack was "brought" to the island to save Henry because that's good! Nevermind the fact that awful shit happens in the world everyday, one man crashed on one island to save one guy with a tumor. And if you think there's anything wrong with that, then EATEN BY A MONSTER!!!! ********** In other news, I kind of like "Take a Shit Guy" and his hot girlfriend. They don't have any chemistry with the rest of the Losties, but isn't that the idea?
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Just rewatched part of last night's ep on ABC and saw something really crazy. Sayid was down in the hatch with Locke and crew adjusting the TVs. When did Sayid get back from his rescue mission? Is this bad writing or this very significant and purposeful? Last I checked, Sayid was stuck on the other side of the island.
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Rocks. Plus he's got balls like rocks. He's absolutely right on and this weak-ass Kool-Aid stuff is the parrot-talk. I actually enjoy people throwing that phrase in with their lame arguments, as it let's my brain quickly and easily abandon any reasonable consideration of their position and move on to something that matters.
Keith O is smart, he's funny and on this matter he's right. And yeah, he's a great sports caster too.
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If the button not being pushed activated the 'great magnet' that crashed the plane, what was the plane doing a couple thousand miles off course in the first place?
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In the beginning, he shows up and says he's back. Got it.
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There were always mechanical sounds. Smokey has been consistent since the pilot. And yes, he also got the pilot, only it was much messier. I don't know why. Maybe it can shred flesh just as easy as it can slap shit against trees.
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The monster used to be a security system, but has since malfunctioned and become sentient. As a system, it's job was to guard the islands secrets and evaluate (scan) people crossing the island and if they had access to certain areas, it would let them through. Now that it's sentient, it still judges people, but now it seems itself as worthy of passing a sort of moral judgement on those it encounters. It sees itself as a god and it's punishing those it does not think are worthy to live.
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I'm starting to think that Smokey is not a creation of any of the island's more recent inhabitants, but more likely a product of the original "four-toed" inhabitants. If you look at the Mayans, the Aztecs, and the Ionians there technological abilities were far more advanced (relatively speaking) than most cultures in their perspective historical timeframes. They understood and practically applied astronomy and advanced mathematics, for starters - perhaps a civilization (four-toes, so maybe the Simpsons?) that lived secluded on that island was able to advance their knowledge to a point where they could build a construct like the island's "security system." Just a thought.
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So the episode seemed to tell us that the smoke monster is the thing that was appearing as the visions; like Jack's father, or Kate's black horse. It was pretty explicit but I'd like to know this is a fact now. Because if we can come to that conclusion, then it solves a huge, huge mystery we've been waiting for resolution on since the first episode. Be thankful for that.
Thoughts on the eye patch guy. I don't think he's a Desmond-like fellow who's been living alone in a hatch. If he was, he would have been more startled/excited to see the camera come on. His reaction would make sense if he was simply an Other who was thinking "Hmm, looks like the Losties have turned on the camera in the Pearl station. Better turn it off". But him being just another Other doesn't seem very exciting. -
"You're next". What is THAT about?
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Those are all flashbacks centering around people while they're on the island, it tells us about those people, not the island. What I want is an actual island flashback, that is told from nobody's point of view but the island's. Something that starts 2000 years before the crash and shows us different time periods, up to the crash.
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That makes absolutely no sense. Why would Juliet instill the notion of killing Ben in Jack's mind if she didnt really want that? Think about it.
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She's not tricking jack about what she wants done, she's tricking jack about the REASONING behind it. Juliet disagrees with how Ben is running the show. Perhaps Ben has lost sight of the true Dharma goal, or perhaps Juliet has her own vision for the initiative. All she said was that "some of us want change." She didn't say what the change was. It's smart: You pretend like Ben is the bad guy, get jack to kill him, then you can do whatever you want because the only one stopping you is out of the way. We may very well find out that Ben was the good guy (using "good" relatively here) in the initiative.
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i like both shows plenty, but i actually think bsg has more "why didn't they just ______?" moments, and weird character stuff, like starbuck going ga-ga over that kid in about a day! the 3rd season has gotten off to a rocky start, but it's still pretty good and by no means have the flushed the series down the toilet. it's too bad to see such big bumps in the road though, which they haven't had before. maybe this six-episode shit threw them off their game ...
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... Borat!
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... Borat!
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Called after life. the story briefly is this. the employees are grumbling about their jobs as they report to what appears to be a former school.
They are told that the work load is going to be heavier then usual. They complain about the chill in the air. Out of a blinding white fog, other people walk up a few stairs in a sit in the waiting room, old and young chat politely with one another.. each person is called into a room and are told "as you know you died yesterday. you will stay here for a week and there is one thing you must do. You Must select one memory, the one most meaningful and precious to you. We will recreate it for you on film, so you can re-live it and you will take only that memory with you into enternity".
The people in Lost dont know there dead. Lost seems to based around memory again here there is a kind of a connection here with this movie here are some examples a prositute remembers a client, a potential suicide recalls what made him pull back from the brink. a pilot thinks about clouds, an old man remember the breeze on his face when he rode a trolley to school, and wild haired twenty-one-year wearing leather pants refuses to chooses anything at all.
there is the man who calims all his memories are bad feelings . A pretty girl is going to put a trip to Disney land untill convinced otherwise. There is the tiny bird like woman who scavenges for treasure and hardly talks. Like lost the movie spends time on different people there is the steele exec and his assistant. then there are the staf, who though are no longer living, are not immune to having tea to having fits of temperor having crushes on co-workers. Once a memory is choosen the staff aids in filming it, using simnple effects that are state of the art. If anyone has seen this film after life. I read about this film in a book by Kenneth Turan. The film was made in Japan in 1999.
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I was referring to the people who thought ben was working with juliet to mess with jack. I dont think she has motives to take over and keep doing the same things ben did. When she says that some of them want change, she probably means the nicer, Alex type people.
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with Eko?
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a learning difficulty. Called Dyspraxia. Trying to explain that would be like trying to explain Lost.
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Smoke Monster... well more like lots of little monsters... millions of tiny machines... billions... Nanotechnology... controlled by an unseen magnetic force... to form and do anything...
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Simply because it's kind of too easy that she's just like, help me jack i'm really a good guy. Who knows, though.
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TOM CRUISE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Thats Right Cruise is the new boss of UA along with Paula Wagner. this is news and this is supposedly a news site. This is huge so why no mention. Fuck.......
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...otherwise what was the point of that scene where he confronted Juliet on the beach and asked her why she told Jack about "HIS" X-Rays?
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Eye-Patch Man does not equal Tumor Man. The brief encounter between Ben and Juliet after the funeral confirmed who the x-rays belong to.
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juliet could be tricking jack...in the sense that Ben might not be the hated leader she claims him to be. Maybe she is playing him as being nice and has an evil plan of her own to take over.
More likely though, I think we're going to see an end to Ben. The first 6 episodes are like a "miniseries" the producers said. There needs to be a change in dynnamic or else we're going to have Jack, Sawyer, and Kate in a cage for the entire season. Killing Ben off could turn the Others into the kinder, gentler Others...just in time to introduce the second set of "Others" led by eyepatch guy, the REAL bad guys who kidnapped the children and the other castaways like Cindy. -
WTF everyone thinking nanobots is it, stfu. No mention of the Tom Cruise thing because its Tom Cruise I guess....And eyepatch man is actually a pirate from a 1987 drug boat...duh! And yes, BSG is one sexy show...
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Ben's other's take people, too. Walt, Claire... Maybe there are two groups of people taking people off the island. It's like a game, whoever can capture the most people wins a truckload of coconuts and bragging rights for the entire year.
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You are my new best friend. Actually, you are my only friend. AFTER LIFE is a great, touching, if slow, Japanese movie. Add it to your Netflix cue.
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Ben's others take people too... perhaps there's an issue with others and fertility, since Julliet's a fertility doc... both factions of the others take children to keep the group going: alex, the little ones from the back of the plane, Aaron... and they have kate and sawyer there so put them in enough of a tough situation to where they bond and birth a child... i think Ben's the one with the tumor. I think eye-patch man was Kelvin's partner in the hatch, his glass eye was found with the extra bit of the orientation video... continued next
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Kelvin said that his partner cut that tape... so i think his partner didn't kill himself, he ran away like Kelvin was going to run and leave desmond. the glass-eye man has been living on the island and has seen a LOT and knows a LOT about what's going on. I hope that the smoke monster has been the source of the halucinations, what would be amazing to think that it was SO CLOSE to kate and sawyer as the horse... basically in the midst of the camp the whole time! Its Ben's tumor. I dont' know if Juliett's tricking jack again or if he can trust her. I wouldn't if i were him. I was sad to see Eckol (i get it now) die but PLEASE DON"T KILL BENRY!!! HE'S SO SO SO COOL and delicioiusly evil!!!! PLEASE MAKE JACK BE AWESOME THIS WEEK!!!
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Dummies every one.
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to post because there is SO MUCh to talk about now... how will Desmond react to eyepatch man, how will des fit in to the whole thing? how will the 3 get off hydra island? did anyone notice that the smoke monster looked like it ran away from Locke? i think locke bought into the 'island' or the 'monster's request and answered 'yes' to his 'are you ready to repent' moment (though i'm sure it was entirely different than Eko's moment) and that's why he's alive still... think about it, when locke and eko found the pearl station... it was the smoke monster that was guiding them as Yemi! wild! the smoke monster guides locke as boone! crazy!
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no, eko definitely stopped buliding the church "I am supposed to do something else now" he said to Charlie towards the end of last season. And regardless of it being his fault or not that he stopped pushing the button, that was his job, and he got tricked by locke and failed. he was off his path. as for charlie, no doubt about him being off his path, but charlie saw the monster, it didn't see him.
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Not Echo, Ecko, and especially Eckol! I mean, WTF??
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Bens' plans to brainwash Jack crumbled once Jack realized Ben was sick. This COULD be a new plan (maybe not, but it's possible) to discover if Jack can be trusted to perform the operation. If Jack agrees to Juliets plan, they know they cannot trust Jack. If he says he will operate, but refuses to go alone with Juliets plan, then Ben CAN trust him to operate. Of course, the weak point of this line of thinking is that Ben doesn't really have a lot of choice in the matter.
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i bitched about that yesterday, Ekcol is like Benry, a joke. Ekcol is Locke backwards bc Eko was like locke's opposeite/twin/co-button pusher/man of faith man.
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Well, that kinda makes sense, but you must admit we've seen every possible spelling of that name on here. Oh well, it's just TV...no need for me to get worked up.
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This season has sucked but, that was a good episode even if I hate to see Eko go. ...... ENOUGH WITH THE NANOBOTS ALREADY! Why does everyone assume that nanobots can manifest themselves as smoke anyway? Oh right, you read that in some sci-fi story. Every sci-fi show has some non-corporeal entity and those aren't nanobots. It's a stupid idea so please stop bringing it up. ....... If the black smoke was also impersonating Boone, then why have Locke save Eko in the first place? And why say "they have him", when it was just a polar bear? I think I'll go back to repressing that entire episode. It made little sense in light of this one. ........ I LOVED when Locke asked everyone to go with him to the hatch and they were all shocked. Bout time! It almost made up for killing Eko. ....... They shouldn't have bothered introducing Hatch Shitter and his girl, unless they were prepared to give them some personality. If they red shirt them, then there will have been no point. If they keep them on, then nobody is going to care. I was actually a little upset when Arnst died. I won't have that problem this time around. ....... I guess we now know that the others don't have Jack's father holed up somewhere. That voice Jack heard through the intercom could have had many explanations, but if he was part of their con, then presumably Ben would have had another surgeon at his disposal. ......... Juliet must be evil, given Sawyer's line about her willingness to shoot Kate. The question goes more to whether she's actually trying to prompt a coup or not. I think she may possibly be on the up and up because of the exchange she had with Ben, regarding his x-rays. Perhaps she left them out intentionally, just to peak Jack's interest. Perhaps she had her coup in mind for some time. ........ Am I the only one who thought, at first, that the others were dressing up in white to go on a pilgrimage to the 4-toed foot? Someone I work with came up with a good idea. What if they pushed Trixie out to sea because burying her on the island(s) would invite the smoke to assume her form? ......... One-eyed guy? I'm guessing either Radiznsy (maybe he did shoot himself through the eye and was "healed" by the island) or one of Rousseau's crew. Or he's the "him" that Zeke was afraid of. Zeke doesn't act all that fearful around Ben. ....... BTW, fuck whomever spoiled Eko's death on last week's talkback. Fuck you up your stupid asses!
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I've decided that if we get a really good backstory for the noobies, then maybe we will start to like them, but here are the problems: 1) We care too much about other characters to even want to begin to learn new ones. We've got Benry, Juliet, Mr. Friendly, and even Alex to entice us as new characters with backstories. Give us their backstories. 2) These noobies have already been portrayed extremely superficially and the producers are aware that no one likes them. To save these characters, we need a really effing good backstory that we won't mind interrupting other backstories we'd rather here. So either that or feed them to Ol' Smokey.
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I thought he was dead when the hatch exploded, so I am grateful they brought him back long enough to finish his story. The shame in it is that he was one of the most interesting characters and having just come to the realization that he killed to protect... he could have been a real asset in the war that will eventually come with the "Others" Another thing, the smoke monster isn't just reading peoples minds... it seems to be aware of itself, and it toys with people before killing them. Is a sick human controlling it or is it a lab experiment gone wrong? It certainly has me frightened for our Losties.
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If i was jack i'd in no way trust juliett, not for a second! In fact it won't surprise me at all if she turns out to be the leader! One scene in particular being when sawyer beat those guys up and juliett held the gun to kates head, Sawyers reaction of 'I could see in her eyes that she wouldn't batter an eyelid over pulling that trigger' summin like dat! Anyways, such a statement makes me think she is the real bitch! Henry may not be all bad! If i were Jack i'd tell henry what juliett said and about some of the others wanting to take him out! That really would mix it up a bit and cause all kinds of mayhem!! Heres hoping! O yeh the new guy aint cool, however the new chick is fit and for that reason keep her as there aint enough of them!
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entering their dreams? That is even more frightening than seeing it in person because if it can get in your head... how do you stop it?
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In Michael Crichton's book "Prey" the nanobots can assume human form - now that doesn't make it fact, BUT Crichton typically does more research into the possibility of the impossible things he writes about than do a lot of authors, so who knows? It's not a great book, but the explanation on the nanobots makes good literary sense. And I KNOW that the producers said that it wasn't nanobots - just giving a counterpoint to Maltheus.
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because the monster was offering him redemption like it offered Locke! didn't you see "Yemi's" face drop when Eko said he wasn't sorry for what he did and that he was proud?!? whatever it is wasn't expecting that...
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I think the smoke monster does manifest into the people and such. However, it DID NOT manifest into a horse. There was a freaking zoo/animal lab on the island, and that's where it came from. They've got polar bears and sharks, why not horses!!!!
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You know we dont like them. We dont give a fucking shit about their back stories. They ADD nothing to the plot, and how you brought them in was so poorly done, I cant even believe it's the same writing team. Please, for the love of God and if you care about the show as much as we do, THE FANS, Get Rid of them. I am asking you as nicely as possible.
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Lostpedia has a shot of his shirt with the logo on it. So yea, probably Radzinski.
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No offense taken. I do like the show, but I worry of giving them too much faith in concluding their story in a manner equal to what they gave us in the pilot episode. As I've written before I've been burned once by the X-files. I'll be damned if I'm taken by Lost. I just get this feeling of arrogance by the writers of the show. It's as if they believe that they can get away with making "filler" episodes cause they know that we'll watch no matter what. I like good drama as much as the next guy, but when things are thrown in there that are not germaine to the plot time and a again, i can't help but feel frustrated.
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Desmond is so obviously a terminator. He travelled back in time naked ... DUH!
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I'm reading a lot of posts from people saying they don't trust Juliette's "To Kill a Mockingbird" movie. Those who think it's a set-up – ask yourselves if you are jumping to this conclusion b/c you have just seen an episode (pacemaker) in which a big-time con by The Others took place and therefore don't believe anything they say.
However! Remember, Ben said to Juliette at the funeral (out of Jack's earshot) "Why did you tell him those were my X-rays"?
Even after she replies, "I didn't. But I guess you did." This is still NOT a confirmation that they actually are Ben's. I think they just realized that Jack's belief that the tumor IS Ben's will be valuable in 'breaking' him - for whatever reason.
So until Jack has Ben's back opened up on an operating table and is looking at that spinal tumor...I don't believe it is his. Which I guess would mean - I don't believe in Juliette's movie - even though I want to. -
I thought it was interesting that Yemi responded to Eko's non-confession with the line "You're speaking to me as if I was your brother," or something like that. It's like Eko was trying to justify that he was who he was in part to save his brother, and so he wasn't repentent for that. And then the Yemi doppelganger basically said, "what the hell do I care? I'm not really your brother, dumbass."
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For the 132nd time: Eckol is a play on the fact that Eko is the opposite of Locke (Eckol is Locke spelled backward). Also, I had always assumed that the Smoke Monster was the 'Cerebus' mentioned on the day-glo map in the hatch, which was said to be malfunctioning. So could the fact that Smokey is malfunctioning be significant?
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that was in the road when kate's captor was run off the road in kansas or illinois or wherever is the same jet black horse in the jungle. or there's one exactly like it. its not a halucination of her 'father' like jack's dad, locke seeing boone, eko's brother, etc... you're right, it COULD be a real horse... but i seriously doubt it...
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yeah, that is significant that its malfunctioning. personally i take 'yemi' saying 'you talk to me as if i'm your brother' to be the first communication we've seen of the smoke monster/cebarus communicating, though it could have with locke... i think its got its own agenda and that its sentient, perhaps it wasn't supposed to be, but somehow it became free/sentient whatever and is 'protecting' the island or dharma under its own terms...
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watching Freaks and Geeks for the first time, and maybe I'm a super-retard, but why doesn't The CW pay Paul Feigs an assload of money to create a new show?
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I agree, that was a very significant line. It was the first indication that the smoke has it's own distinct personality. Emotions even. Almost like offense at not being recognized and respected. I'm sure they're not going this route, but I briefly felt like the smoke was suppose to be God (or perhaps thinks it is). Why else would it be so concerned about Eko's confession? Or did some earlier missionaries convert the smoke to Christianity?
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Is that Jack is gonna believe the wrong person (either Benry or Juliet) and something very bad is going to come of it.
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Ok, for the record, the producers have gone on record and said that the monster is definitely NOT nanomachines like in Michael Crichton's book Prey. I think they did it on the panel at Comic Con (check the video podcast at abc.com if you want). I was pissed that they killed Eko too, but since it seems that AAA wanted to leave and plans to direct, I am less pissed. And yeah, exposition!girl and tookAdump!guy do indeed SUCK BEYOND BELIEF, HOLY FRAK HATE THEM SO MUCH SOMEONE GET THEM OFF MY LOSTS THEY DELIVER LINES LIKE AN IDIOT IN THE THEATER EXPLAINING TO THEIR IDIOT FRIEND WHO WENT TO THE BATHROOM WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 5 MINUTES THEY WERE GONE. STFU OR DIE, HELL, DO BOTH! Now that that's out of my system, the smoke monster rocked as always. 1 more till the break.
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I don't think it concearned with confession with everyone, just with Eko... i think its more about being pennitent (i know that's used a lot referring to the bible, but here it just means being sorry and wanting to change, no matter what religion its 'victims' or 'chosen people' are) focus being on the want to change, be better... I think repent was just what it saw when it looked in eko's mind... so that's what it used to connect with him. what do you think?
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...when Yemi was the one that enticed Eko to come to the top of the cliff so that when they looked down, they discovered the ? and the pearl. Why would the smoke monster want that, I wonder...
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eko to take locke's place pushing the button. locke's faith was completely waivered and he lost it there in the pearl station. eko picked up where he left off and the smoke monster wanted to make sure that the button didn't get pressed. remember, the hatch didn't implode bc the button wasn't pressed, it was bc desmond turned the key. i imagine whatever would have happened would have been bad for the smoke monster...
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Was indeed a good show.
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I like your line of thinking Shepard Bauer. That monster was mad about something (it displayed emotion and personality as an above poster said), possibly the hatch implosion, and wanted someone to pay.
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Ok, I could buy the smoke tailoring it's "tests" for each person it encounters. Then again, Eko already "confessed" to Ben and even repented with his little vow of silence. He also embraced the priesthood, indicating a desire to make up for his darker ways. He more than almost anyone has demonstrated the desire and drive to "be better". I feel like I'm trying to figure out a plot, that was really only a response to Eko's desire to leave the show (or the producer's desire to kick him). I'm not sure if it fits in or not.
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Good call about the practice of floating the body out to sea so "Cerberus"(?) couldn't or wouldn't take the body or assume the form of the body for it's smoky hijinx.
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If Dave was Cerberus, is Dave's body somewhere on the island? Just wondering. I don't think it has to have a body necessarily to do its thing, but it seems to have had Boone's, Jack's dad's, Yemi's and maybe even the horse's (the carcass polar bear was chewing on)
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confessed to Ben about killing the two others, that had nothing to do with the pennitence he 'should' feel for killing the old man to save Yemi from doing it when he was a boy. Eko wasn't pennitent for that and that's why the monster got upset. the monster had 'prepared' eko like it prepared locke (note: kinda like the others prepare jack, sawyer and kate - weird)to give in to whatever the smoke wanted but it didn't work, eko wasn't sorry for it, so he had to die. I don't think the monster was upset about the hatch imploding. i think it was concearned with what would happen if the magnet did whatever the magnet would have done had desmond not turned the key... that's why it put eko on the mission to take john's place... remember too... john was put on a mission to get into the hatch... and why? bc desmond had lost faith and was going to kill himself, until locke was pounding on the hatch door and des realized people were still out there... just food for thought
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WTF is going on over at bigspaceship1? Is this what we can expect from Abrams' outing in the Star Trek universe? Although I did find a weird Eastern Bloc retelling of the classic TOS saltsucker episode amusing, I might prefer tighter writing and beefier effects for the feature he eventually turns in.
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when it was thrashing Eko around as well. You can make out the shape. Probably doesnt mean anything, but it can form stuff like a cartoon ghost or something. :P
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the fact that Ben points out Juliet's resemblance to Jack's ex-wife. This ties in with Ben's statement that they wanted Jack to come round to their way of thinking. Is this to suggest that Jack was meant to be a kind of mate for Juliet? Nobody has mentioned this: is that because everyone's taking it for granted, or they think Ben is just talking shit or what?
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I hope Lost has more to offer from here on because it seems like so many episodes were pointless now that certain people have died. Long live Mr. Adibisi Eko!
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I still think that Hurley's Dave might somehow be Libby's Dave as well. Her Dave is dead. It's possible he died in connection to the island somehow since she almost seemed like she was on a mission to find it (loaning Desmond the boat, being on the plane, etc). But then, I suppose the smoke did appear as the altar boy and he presumably has nothing to do with the island. Still, it's hard to shake the feeling that pushing Trixie's body out to sea has some island related significance. Maybe the other's have a way of preventing the smoke from probing their minds (related to psy experiments), but they can't resist in death? Yeah, I know it's a stretch. Never mind.
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Said. Love how this show has me seeing pointless connections everywhere. But talk about someone who hasn't repented. Remember when this "Sayid" left the camp because he couldn't deal with the fact that he tortured again. He seems to have gotten over those moral qualms. He was all set to do it once again a couple episodes back. What would the smoke demand of him if they ever came face to face?
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...I'd beg the writers of LOST to kill him. Charlie/Dominic is a big star after the LOTR movies, and now he's just getting smaller and smaller thanks to some shit writing on LOST. i really thought he would be the character to die this week, that way he could salvage some of his deserved fame. _________ This Eko-centric episode sucked donkey dick. The new LOSTies are stupid, and I feel like I am being totally fucked with by having them show up. Paolo and Nikki? Fuck off.
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That would have blown my mind.
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So the island can make Locke walk again and can cure the cancer that Rose had, but Ben can't be healed by the island? That's assuming the tumor is his of course. Next weeks epsiode better have some steak and not just sizzle.
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I agree. If there was anyone seeking forgiveness in general on the island, it was Eko. Just because he believes he did the right thing in a couple of specific examples doesn't justify "punishing" him by killing him off.
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So does the smoke monster think it's God, or something?
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I also think it could go this way. Eko has finally come to terms with the life he lead. He was raised to believe you had to repent for your sins no matter what. But at the end he came to grips that he sinned because he had to. Some of his sins were even to protect innocent people. So he finally became at piece with his life, and THAT is why he was killed. Not because he wouldn't confess, but because he didn't have too anymore. Eko has now absolved himself of his sins. The Monster doesn't kill you because you won't listen to it, it kills you because your done. You have passed your test. You can now move on...in piece. Just my thoughts!
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Just kidding. But I'm not a believer in that theory. I don't think that was the case for the pilot. That pilot will be the BIGGEST problem for ANY monster explanation that borders on reasoned and planned out killing.
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Do we know what happened to the pilot before they found him in the pilot? He was knocked out for a very long time before they got there. Since he was played by JJ's pal, he would come back at any time needed to wrap that up.
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Wow, one fewer non-white person on the show.
I'm sure Michael and Walt will return, but what happened to the black woman that seemed to be the leader when Michael was held captive???
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We don't really know that Rose's cancer was cured. She just "feels" it is. . .
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So we have to introduce new characters, what can we do to give them a reason for being there? I've got it, the female can realize that perhaps the pearl station can view more than one station! brilliant! what can the guy do? we'll give him a hilarious bathroom joke.
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..but then again u always do..waaaaaa they dont answer my questions...waaaa new characters ...waaaaaaa why kill eko....waaaaaa writers seem lost ....waaaaaaaa....waaaaaaa. waaaaaaaa
why dont u whiners just STFU...nver read so much BS from people obviously not watching to enjoy an awesome show, but to pick at and endlessly criticize it..compare it to other shows from the same people and drawing parallels that need not be made....and then some of u "people" have the bat striking my balls audacity to rave about "doctor who cares" ..if you cant watch the show to enjoy it, its genius, its flaws, then dont watch...im sure the producers of lost dont want anyone to catch a coronary over someone not liking the dialogue one nite and poppin an artery...or want one of u nuts killing his whole family with his tv remote because the season finale didnt answer the questions that apparently drive ur whole life....TV is an escape from my life not my WHOLE life...its a TV show, get over it... since someone mentioned south park, how many of u losers wrote in to comedy central when they pulled the april fools joke and didnt reveal who cartmans father was ?? come on admit it...u were sitting there and stressin over it , and calculating all the characters movements and what u know about them, only to be tricked...hahahah.....funniest was that they never really were going to finish that story, but because of all the hate mail, they had to..they even made fun of their own audience , essentially saying what kind of asses care who the father of a cartoon character is...so to mess with u and shut everyone up, they made his mom his dad too...see the connection ?? she fucked herself....which is exactly the message they were giving the losers that soooooo needed an answer..
LOST is at least giving answers, answers to important questions, knowing who the 2 bods in the cave were is not very high on my priority list....knowing all the details of everyone on the island is not high either....flashbacks are essential to every story and will never end......
anyways, my opinion is, that the character of EKO was there to restore locke's faith in the island, he was written to bring locke back from his whiny-ness and back to the locke we all knew from season one..... yes he was a plot device, sorry to say, all the tailies were plot devices of a sort..with eko's purpose served, it was time for him to go... the tailies are all expendable , anyone even notice that theyre essentially killing off all the tailies and no one else... i think that debunks the "get a DUI, u die" theory....theres only one tailie left, bernard....but they prob wont kill him off because of him being married and all... as for the newbies, what newbies ?? u mean the background clutter characters ? they seem forced , but hopefully they will be like artz, get blown up of just be fodder for the others or the monster ..also i do think there is a 3rd group of people on the island...yet to be revealed -
Here are three reasons why the writers are making it up
1. David Fury left unhappy with the plot development
2. when they wote the first season there is no way they could anticipate how many years to stretch it to
3. Stupid loose ends- Walt's Powers,Libby in the asylum, Zombie kids, Dharma shark, Black Rock, danielle's group, Bodies in the Cave, repating signal, Numbers, four toed rock, eko's brother's plane.
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Have to agree with Macktheknife01. Watching the episodes one after another on the DVD set does the show no favours at all. Best to watch it once on TV then forget about it for a week and watch the next episode. Great show, but all over the place.
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Oh wow, another fallacious "Lost sucks" argument. Never thought I'd see the day. 1) David Fury left because he wanted to make it all up as they went along (which I'm sure "Heroes" isn't doing, right?). He wanted every mystery presented in season 1 to be answered by the finale and then introduce new ones next season, which makes absolutely no fucking sense. He went on to join the writing staff of "24," a show notorious for flying by the seat of their pants, so much so that the cliffhanger of last season's finale doesn't even have anything to do with season 6. 2) Just because they don't know how many episodes the series is going to be doesn't mean they don't have a general plan for what's going to happen. 3) for starters, "repeating signal" is not a mystery. But regardless, I think it's been pretty well-established that just because the writers don't answer everything straight away doesn't mean they don't plan to. By the way, "Dharma shark"? Did you not watch the season premiere?
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Although I really like Locke (my favorite character on LOST), I think many viewers seem to overlook the fact that Locke is not usually one to volunteer information.....or, at least, not all of it. Eko may not have said that at all. Or, if he did, he might have been telling Locke "YOU'RE next". Locke and Eko were the two who took up the duty of making sure the button got pressed. Well, the button isn't getting pressed anymore so maybe that pissed the Security System off bigtime. Heck, maybe pushing the button was in order to maintain the Security System, or keep it in check. Just some thoughts.
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Andrew Divoff to some.
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I'm with you for the most part ribbons, and i personally love lost..however, lay off 24 no one here has seen the 6th season yet, so i'd say your statement about season fives cliffhanger having no relevance this coming season is majorly flawed! Apart from that, its all good!
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Juliet is clearly tricking Jack into performing the surgery on Ben. They go to great lengths to "reveal" their manipulation of Jack into the surgery, in order to give him the impression of having the upper hand. Juliet's video murder-plot is just reverse psychology. She links the idea of not performing the surgery with outright murder, something that Jack would never do, therefore compelling him to operate. The Others have psych profiles on all the losties, so it's really quite obvious.
Eko's death takes away a good character, but his story arc was finished other than the coincidence of his brother's plane crash and the mystery of the black smoke. The episode had a nice allegorical theme to a mass or communion.
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Desmond post-hatch-explosion is from the future (anyone who hasnt figured that out by now and thinks he's psychic... god help you). The four-toed relic, the smoke monster, etc, can be explained with some future/past-tech revelations. The season 2 finale has some nice time travel evidence. Penny's men only pick up a signal from the island at the moment of the hatch explosion (time rift, or what have you). Penny's men are stationed at one of the poles-- the island is probably geographically nearby but existant in a completely different era (melted caps and all that). Time travel is the big mystery, and honestly I'm happy with that direction. MUCH better than psychic paranormal garbage.
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I hope you're right. Time travel would be a fascinating way to go with the show, and could potentially win me back from the disgusted-with-Lost-but-still-watching camp.
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you can't call them loose ends until the show has wrapped up and they're still unresolved. i mean you can, but really you shouldn't.
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Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure this was explained in Bernard and Roses'flashback. The area the healer lived in had some kind of strong magnetic field which could heal some people, but not everybody. The healer said different people can be healed by different magnetic fields. I would just assume the one one the island could heal Rose and Locke but not Ben.
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It's not meant as an insult; as a matter of fact, seeing the staff of "24" write their way out of corners is one of the reasons I watch. That said, you're right: I'm not totally sure that the cliffhanger of season 5 will have no impact on season 6, although it certainly looks that way based on the preview.
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I think most of it will be take care of in the Season 5 DVD set prequel to season 6. But unfortunately, I dont think it will be a very satifying expose'. They really skimmed on the Season 5 Prequel on teh DVD set for season 4. And this post contains more numbers than it should now So I'm off.
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I think most of it will be take care of in the Season 5 DVD set prequel to season 6. But unfortunately, I dont think it will be a very satifying expose'. They really skimmed on the Season 5 Prequel on teh DVD set for season 4. And this post contains more numbers than it should now So I'm off.
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As if the new characters actively participating in a jungle exploration with Locke and Sayid wasn't bad enough - they fucking killed off Eko. While it was a nice send off and all, and I guess yeah, his arc is done - I could've stood to see more of him, especially in his continuing efforts to try and walk the straight and narrow and/or he and Locke launching a lightning strike raid on the other's tract home base. I'm having a much harder time with the newbies than I thought I would. The broad Nancy Drew'd the other tvs at Pearl, and the guy used the toilet. What in the wide wide world of sports is that? The Jack-Juliette scene was good - and I agree, she's totally manipulating him into performing the surgery, knowing that once he's wrist deep in spine he won't have the resolve to intentionally botch the operation. The old Jack might not have done that, but I'm hoping the new one just may surprise us. And the tumor IS Ben's, right? - doesn't he ask Juliette how Jack saw his x-rays? And Ben has cancer because they're on a different island, right? Did he go into a brief remission when imprisoned at Swan Station? Trying to go himself and infiltrate the camp was a move well explained by him having a tumor. I'll take some Juliette or Ben flashbacks, but I swear by the numbers if the newbies get flashbacks I'll keep watching, but I'll do it angrily.
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The one thing I keep neglecting to mention that probably bothered me more than anything else about last night's episode... how come NOBODY but freaking Nikki seemed upset or frightened over Eko's death? Locke's all "Hmm. Eko appears to be lying dead in the middle of a clearing. I bet that monster that tried to kill me did it. What's that, Eko? We're next? Interesting."
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Nikki and Paolo are Shannon and Boone replacements. No ifs or buts about it. And Ribbons, Fury didn't want to reveal _everything_ at the end of each season, just enough to pay back the audience for sticking with the show all year. That's what he told me anyway. What pisses me off is that the producers have a fantastic cast of actors -- Dom Monaghan, and especially Yoon-jin Kim ... yet they're so fucking underdeveloped and underused, it's a fucking crime. Hang your heads in shame, producers of Lost, for squandering such great talent. I predict a big exodus of original actors at the end of this season, but then again -- read a few lines, get a regular paycheck and live in Hawaii ... that's not a bad gig.
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re: a bunch of actors leaving the show -- why do you say that?
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Ribbons, as nice as it is to holiday in Hawaii collecting a sweet paycheck for getting one line an episode, these actors are talented and want to work. At the moment, actors like Yoon-jin Kim, Monaghan, etc, are being criminally underused. With the addition of so many new characters, their chance of more screentime is looking grim. And when their characters are just repeating themselves (Evangeline and Holloway, for example), things get boring for an actor who wants to actually _work_. I know Terry O'Quinn will consider leaving if Locke doesn't get back on the track he was walking in Season 1 -- Season 2 couldn't have been much fun for the actor considering how much he loves the loner-survivor Locke from the first half of Season 1, that wise old man archetype. Emilie de Ravin won't be far from leaving -- she'll be missing Australia, and getting bored of the same old whiny line she gets in her one page of script each week. There are too many cooks in the kitchen now. But like I said, when you're an actor, a steady wage is a sweet deal no matter how much screentime you get. Can't be too bad working in Hawaii either. ;)
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another rumor that got some play last year was that Terry O'Quinn and AAA weren't exactly the best of buds, or even happy co-workers. That, coupled with his brush with the law could have made it a repeat of the AnaL situation. Wherever the truth lies, it still doesn't seem right to kill off one of the more interesting characters, while doubling the amount of dead weight on the show (add Noobs to Charlie/Claire),
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Music Critics are frustrated/failed rock stars. people who bitch,bitch,bitch about lost or comic book films(or the studios that make them) or frustrated/failed writers.
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So it's not like we can take anything he says seriously. I love how honest he was when putting Girls Aloud together, though. He basically said, "I'm going to make these girls successful by making people want to have sex with them."
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Tne episodes usually revert to krypto-freak-of-the-week crap by this point in the season. This is probably the best season yet. Wasn't expecting that for a show so late in it's run. Never a great show, but usually fun (like Heroes). ..... I doubt the Lost actors are going anywhere. If they aren't getting much airtime now, they'll be getting less if they leave. Occasionaly actors get angsty and leave in pursuit of the greener grass, but it never works out the way they think it will. You'd have to be stupid to leave such a high-profile gig.
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Am I the only one who visibly cringes when they appear onscreen...?
Fucking awful mistake bringing in those 2 soap opera rejects.
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Nope, I dont think there is a soul on the planet that actually enjoys them on the show. Never has there been such an eyesore like this. I dont know if they would have gotten two other people to do it, if it would have made a difference. But these two, horrible.
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It is in portuguese:
http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/ilustrada/ult90u65739.shtml
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that the Brazilian dude's chick will have some sort of important part. The Brazilian dude might just be a cipher to help introduce her and her part - say, he dies, which pisses her off, and then she _______. Apart from Rose and Bernard, who are too old to kick ass, and Charlie and Claire, who have the whole baby thing going on, there aren't any relationships left to kill off half of to galvanise some reckless action by the other half. So they create one.
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It's great that I'm not the only one who feels this way. Those two new survivors are SO out of place it's actually ridiculous. Firstly, I hate it when they introduce new survivors, who the main characters have supposedly always known, yet we've never seen them before on the show. It really takes you out of it because they’ve so obviously been written into the show. Secondly, the fact that they're really bad actors and so obviously cast because of their looks just makes the show a lot cheaper. I LOVE this season so far; I LOVED this last episode, but those two new characters have to go - soon. If they have flashbacks for them I'll be pissed.
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The smoke thinks it's a god. The creators have said that science will be able to explain everything, thats why people gravatate towards the nanobot idea. Magical smoke cloud isn't even remotely science. Also, THE SMOKE COULD BE CAUSING THE HALLUCINATIONS by having a few of the nanobots (being incredibly small) could fly into people's brains, maybe absorbed through skin, breathed in to the body, taken in in any number of ways and perhaps zap some neurons, firing off memories. HOW ELSE COULD ALL THESE PAST THINGS BE ON THE ISLAND? How else could the cloud read peoples minds if it wasn't somehow connecting with them? The bots are making the people see things from their past by directly interacting with their brain on some level.
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Once the bots have a memory, they can make anyone experience it... Like a mass hallucination.
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is ridiculous. It's much more likely to me that it's affecting people to see what it wants, rather than actually becoming a perfect human replica. That's really hard for me to swallow for some reason.
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I want a Chloe & Jimmy series.Like fucking right now!Those two have the best chemistry in the show's history. And Ally Mack is off the charts hot this season.
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I finally found the article where this rumor was denied. ******** http://tinyurl.com/wxx97 ******** Here's the key snippet from the interview: "DOCARZT: Well, y’know one thing, getting back to theories for a second, one thing people think they have deviated on is that everything is supposed to be explainable in scientific terms and now with mind reading clouds and all these strange forces…" "JEFFJENSEN: ...whoa. That was a big issue, and I had the opportunity to speak with Carlton and Damon about that, so I can put this to rest right now. I asked them and here is what they told me. That is absolutely not true, they don’t recall saying it, and if they did, they retract it."
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I don't see how Sun and Charlie have been criminally underused. Charlie has continued to be prominent in the plots, and Sun has been given way more flashbacks and things to do than I expected her to have. In fact, she's kinda the emotional heart of the show. They're not first tier (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Locke) but they're pretty integral. For the smoke monster, we can read thematic stuff about good/evil or repentance or whatever - and maybe those themes work for the show, but what if the plot reasons are more practical? Maybe the smoke monster killed the pilot to ensure that they're stranded. Maybe it killed Eko because he killed Others with his bare hands, and was the biggest physical threat? I think eyepatch guy is actually behind the smoke monster doings, myself. BTW, I don't know if anyone else has mentioned the 'rolling away the stone' imagery with the tomb being empty and Yemi resurrected? Hello, New Testament? So yeah, themes.
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...at least not anymore than a sentient gaseous organism. Perhaps 1000s of years in the future, but no by any science available today or for the foreseeable future. Not even "top secret" science. It's more likely tied to the ancient civilization that created the foot. Or it's alien. My point is, by no definition do nanobots fly or take human form. People are only making that connection because of a single Chricton book. That's why it's stupid. Nothing against the author, but it's just as ridiculous as saying the island is a pet cemetery simply because we've seen Jack's father. There isn't the slightest basis for it. "They fly and assume human form, therefore it may very likely be nanobots" makes no sense. Chewbacca is not from Endor. You must acquit.
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Can I ask, do you think Louis Walsh is gay? I have asked several people and they seem to think so. Eurovision is the campest song contest on earth. There is a book out called greenbeat. It is about the irish rock scene in the 1960's. you all didnt think there was a rock scene in the 1960 in ireland. Well there was.
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If you're right, and the deaths are caused by the 7 Deadly Sins... then Hurley is on the chopping block (Gluttony), so is Jack (pride), Sawyer (wrath)... I don't know. Kate is on the block for inspiring Lust. ?. What role then do the Heavely Virtues play? ________And good riddance to sanctimonious Eko. I only liked Eko because it looked like there would be an Eko - Locke show down, but that cage match never happened. I don't mind the writers winnowing down characters because at least it wraps up some "stories/mysteries," but I would have asked for the heads of Rose, Bernard, Sun, Jin, Claire and Charlie first (not to mention asking for Paolo and Nikki to be seen with their heads on the end of stakes a la "Lord Of The Flies").
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...are way too polished. Nikki especially. I know that the Losties' are capable of bathing in various streams and ponds and, hell, even the ocean, but Nikki's hair is highlighted and feathered for pete's sake. She's got those tweezed-to-the-nth-degree eyebrows and everything. They should try and dirty them up a little, although if they've managed to maintain their impeccable grooming habits for two and a half months, then I guess that would be a bit of an inconsistency at this point.
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... that the creators of the show said just a few weeks ago that "Smokey" is not a "being" made of nanobots. I think that theory can now be put to rest. I guesss it's time to think of something else.
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Fair enough. I'll see what I can find.
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Until I hear it from the creators' mouths (i.e. a link to a podcast transcript or magazine interview or SOMETHING where this is stated) the nanobots theory can NOT be put to rest. Lots of people have been saying "The creators said it's not nanobots!!" but nobody has ever been able to site a source. Whereas I HAVE read interviews with the creators where they have bebunked other theories (like purgatory), I have never heard any of them state anything about nanobots. Or the lack thereof. I'll believe it if and when someone can prove to me they actually ever said this.
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Here you go. This was actually posted on AICN: (http://tinyurl.com/ybj9cs). And although this one isn't as definitive, it sort of says the same thing: (http://tinyurl.com/yl6jna). Also, I thought I read this in "Entertainment Weekly" in Doc Jensen's column. Yet for some reason, I cannot find the exact article.
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Nanobots, nanoids, and nanorobots, no matter what you choose to call them, can be found in numerous sources, not just Crichton's PREY. Hell, my son was watching Agent Cody Banks last week and nanobots were causing all sorts of trouble. While still largely theoretical, more money is being dumped into nanotechnology research that almost any other area of science at the moment. And you are way off with your "1000s of years" prediction. More likely a couple decades. Just google nanotechnology and start reading.
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That's my theory. That scene inside the hatch where the blond discovered the TV screens was too awful for words. Although there have been dumb moments this season ("let's hide in a tree near the docks where a boat full of Others have left and leave the helpless damsel on our boat where they'll probably show up"), those two characters were so bad it had to be purposeful. Like they're not who they say they are or are going to do something really stupid to put everybody in danger. Maybe they were shown to be idiots as the reason why they weren't included in any adventures earlier.
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Thank you for the provided links. I would have preferred an actual quote from Abrams or Lindenhof, and not someone calling himself Quadruple Tree, but perhaps I'm getting to picky.
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Here you go slone13: http://tinyurl.com/yzjlnu
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remember when Libby was a Tailie and she looked all disheveled? Then as soon as she was being presented as a love interest for Hurley, she looked a bit different. Like the hatch suddenly had a supply of product and makeup? And if this was 'realistic' the rest of the women would be a lot hairier. Sometimes, we really do forget that we're watching a television show.
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Dag yo, why you gotta do me like that? I'm aware that they pretty the actors up a lot of the time, and it's not the biggest deal in the world, I was just pointing it out because it struck me as odd in the episode. Plus, with most of the actors they at least make a passing attempt to have them look like they've gone native; Hurley's got massive pit stains most of the time, Kate's hair is usually plastered to her sweaty forehead, the actors have strategically-applied faux-stubble, etc. Nikki really looks like she could have just stepped out of a Gap ad. Also, I'm not sure if you were trying to quote me or just using air quotes to emphasize relativity, but I'm pretty sure I never used the word "realistic."
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no, I wasn't trying to quote you. In fact, I forgot that you were the one that mentioned the feathered hair. But I do remember finding it funny that Libby was made to look MUCH hotter once her purpose in the plot changed. On another note, I assume the fanatics have seen this from the summer: http://stophanso.rachelblake.com
Apparently this is the woman who "interrupted" the press conference with Cuse and Lindelof that someone else posted the link to. On the recap page, there's a mention of Sun's father, organ harvesting (Locke's kidney?) and population control and manipulation in Africa (Eko?). It's all connected, dude. Whoa. -
Well done, sir. That pretty much clears up any nanobot debate. Thanks.
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I wasn't saying that nanobots themselves are thousand of years in the future, and I know they're frequently referenced in sci-fi and that some advances have been made in real life. I'm saying that flying, shapeshifting nanobots are extremely far in the future, if they're even possible. A robot the size of a molecule shouldn't be able to fly through the air that quickly (if at all), against the natural winds of the island and whatnot. Aside the the story of Prey, every other reference to them is of little repair robots. There is several orders of magnitude difference between theorized nanobots and what some people seem to think they can do on Lost. Even Star Trek nanobots aren't that advanced and this show is taking place in the present. I can guarantee you that something like that won't exist in the next couple of centuries, much less the next couple of decades. Flying and shape shifting is not comparable to specialized repairing. It's not a natural extrapolation. I mean, just picture the WTF on the viewers faces if the survivors starting talking about nanobots. You'd hear one loud click throughout America as people flip their TV's off in unison. Regardless of what the creators said or didn't say, it's goofy and it's just not gonna happen. Then again, Abrams brought us the Rimbaldi storyline, so I suppose any level of goofiness is possible.
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Lindelof also said that they'd be crazy to kill shannon, and she died two months later. What if you take what he is saying to mean that the monster is not a cloud of nanobots...anymore. Lets get all existential for a moment and ask: What if now that they're sentient, they've become something more. They think they're a god, perhaps, maybe it is? I don't know. I do, however, know that the show has gone out of it's way to point to the smoke being some sort of machine. It has gear noises, it's referred to as a "system", it can take snapshots of people's minds (complete with photo flash sounds). I think, if not nanobots, it's still has to be some sort of technology. Maybe it's something SMALLER than nanobots... what would you call those? My point is, Lindelof is a tricky guy, just because he says something doesn't mean it's entirely true. And while bots aren't feasible in science right now, they're certainly more scientific than magic or ghosts, and lindelof has said time and time again that "everything can be explained by science" in the show. So either these quotes are contradicting each other, or the monster is simply another form of technology we haven't been able to figure out yet.
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Eye patch guy controls the security system/smokey. That's why Eko's last word were "you're next", because Locke and the people in Pearl station saw eyepatch guy on the monitor, so now eye patch guy wants to take 'em out before the losties take him out-which I think they will, and then they'll comandeer smokey and go to war with the others and use smokey to free Kate, Sawyer and Jack.
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If you recall Juliet and Ben had a private discussion in which Ben asked her why she told Jack about his tumor. IF they were conning Jack why would they have this converstation out of earshot or anyone who matters? I'm sure the Tumor is Bens and Im sure that Juliet wants Ben dead. Why am I sure? Im glad you asked...
To Kill a Mockingbird... the movie that the tape refers to also refers to the actions Juliet wishes to take. Mockingbird = Ben. What does a mocking bird do? Why it Mocks of course. JUST LIKE THE NANOBOT SMOKE MONSTER !!!
The tumor is real and it is Bens. Juliet is afraid of Ben because he has controll of the NANOBOT SMOKE MONSTER ! His tumor has grown due to the high exposure to the electromagnetic field that is used to controll the nanobots. These nanobots do not fly through the air on their own, but with the magnetic impulses that the hatch sent.
Now, when Desmond let the hatch explode, there was no way to punch the numbers into the computer and prevent the magnetic controlls from lashing out and letting loose the nanobot smoke monster... why would they need to control it?
Why?
Because there are three factions on the Island. The Others, Darma/Hanzo, and Jacks crew. the Darma group split off and tried to stop the others so Desmond and Co rebeled against Ben and his group.
So to sum up...
Tumor is Bens, Juliet wants Ben dead, the Nanobot theroy is not a noob theroy and of course the writers are not going to tell the people at comicon that they have fiured out there secret. Arguing the fact that nanobots are not a posibility because of the time period is just crazy. this is a fictional show where the writers have creative license to do anything. -
I like the idea that the nanobots are merely propelling themselves along magnetic fields... fields which we know are extremely prevalent on this island.
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The have nanobot technology beyond the level of Star Trek but they're still using Commodore 64s and VHS tapes. Yeah, ok! That would make this the stupidest show on television, creative license or not. It's most likely that the smoke is connected to the race that built the statue. I'll bet it even had something to do with wiping them out.
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Technology beyond the level of Star Trek? Listen to yourself? you are saying that it isnt feasable because it dosent agree with another fictional show set in the future? and we have only seen into 2 of the 6 hatches... we only know what level of technology those hatches had. Remember Desmonds backstory? about his Girlfriend and her father (Hanzo Corp) who had all kinda of money? remember how the father was responsible for desmonds trek around the world that ended up with him on the Island? Remember at the end of last season when his Girlfriend made the phone call to instruct another group of people to go find Desmond? well Hanzo Corp. is still around, that means newer technology at this time too. and if the Hanzo group is still around and the daughter knows were desomond is then the bigger picture would suggest that the Hanzo Corp is still in controll of the Darma initiative in one way or another. Basing your theorys on what you have seen to this point is exactly what the creators of LOST want you to do. And by doing that you will not figure anything out. You must expand your mind and look for clues and find the pieces of the puzzle that have not officialy been handed to us. As far as the smoke being related to the race that build the statue? I'm sure you are right. but its the human race not some alien race, and the human race Hanzo, is responsible for the NANOBOT SMOKE MONSTER !!! ( sorry for the caps it just adds a little humor to my coherant misspelled ramblings )
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"You didn't tell him they were my x-rays"-ben
"No, but you did"-juliet
or something to that effect. the point is, ben lied. they absolutely are not his. I think this dialogue was clever in its subtlety, but it saddens me to see so few people see the clarity of it. those are not ben's xrays, categorically.
and get over the nanobot thing, it clearly isn't (refer to the monster's noises). time travel will explain it.
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the island is likely a sort of a space-time axis where all sorts of parallel universes converge (the four-toed statue and the bizarro airport hallucination). fits in with the time travel stuff too.
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"Based on Pure Scientific law" does not alow for an alien race OR a magical mystical being. It dosent even really allow for a time travel theory although im sure they could explain that and make it work... I like that Idea... but it would take the show to a different level. If we bring in Time travel, then it would be a weak move on the writers part. a Parallel univers and time travle would alow anything to happen. and that is a cop out, and something im sure these guys arent about to pull.
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What is The Hanso Foundation?
Their claim: they’re a globe-spanning, philanthropic organization dedicated to the betterment of mankind through social/scientific research and innovative technology. Their slogan is “Reaching Out to a Better Tomorrow.” This feels like a hint at time travel though.... hmmm Reaching Out Tomorrow...
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Who else are they planning on revealing to us over the next few episodes in February - A Breakdancing Gimp who was caught under the wing when the Plane Crashed but was lving in another cave on another little Island, just behind the other little Island that no-one else saw .
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think about it every reveal has been pretty boring or at least underwhelming examples- is the "monster" a cool dinosaur or squid spider, uh no it is cloud of telepathic smoke- truly an inspired monster. Godzilla vs. Mind reading Fog. What is in the hatch a fabulous mind altering reveal nope just evidence of an experiment unexplained writing on the wall but it doesn't matter because it blew up. The others all knowing overlords no just totally unethical
psychos who never talk about their schemes even to each other. It all be the dream of some Autistic kid i'm calling it now -
The words were "Why did you show him my X-rays?", "I didn't tell him they were yours... But I guess you did" this again puts the ball back in you court...
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But we'll one day see the smoke revealed as something Hanso was there to study (or directly related to what they were to study). If it's technological, then it's either alien or related to the ancient race (presumably not human, but terrestrial [read four toes]). That level of technology is simply way to far beyond our own to be believable. It could also be a life form and still within the realm of science. We can barely understand some of the life on our own planet. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a scientific explanation. Another explanation is that it's the manifestation of someone's mind. Think Forbidden Planet. That too is scientific by Hollywood standards. My whole point is that people like you, Thomas Stone, need to expand your mind. But so many of you have simply decided the smoke is nanobots, based on nothing but a hunch and an over-interpretation of what nanobots are.
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Here is a link to a video clip about Hanso Industries. it discusses the fields that Hanso is working in. Both the Magnetic fields and the Nanotechnology field are mentioned as areas that Hanso corp is working in. look for yourself... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN69EjGGaQ&mode=related&search= -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtN69EjGGaQ&mode=related&search=
this one works better -
But if you remove the 2 spaces from the link it will work...
Tiny URL. try this...
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"Why did you show him my X-rays?", "I didn't tell him they were yours... But I guess you did" this again puts the ball back in you court. my bad, but the meaning is EXACTLY the same. Juliet says she didnt lie, rather Ben did. watch it again. oh and the purely scientific thing has been denied...
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. . . about the 2 new characters, but I just have to bitch. All they had to do was introduce them, briefly, last season. They could of just had 2 scenes with 1 line each, and I would totally understand them immediately becoming involved this season. Introducing them out of nowhere, along with everyone from the tail section being killed off or just gone (where the hell is Bernard????), is making the show just so disappointing to someone who absolutely loved seasons 1 & 2. Damn, it is so fucking frustrating.
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someone said something why didnt the island cure ben like it did rose...am i the only one who assumed it was cuz whatever mojo the islands got, bens immune to it now cuz he's "been there all his life."
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Before a tv show ever gets greenlit, they must present at least a 5 year plan. That is the amount of episodes it takes for a show to get syndicated.
Syndication means the network, creators, cast and crew have money coming in from REPEATS for a LIFETIME.
The 5 year plan is known as the show BIBLE, it is the spine for the show. The blue print. The plan. And though small things change year to year in the bible, the main spine remains.
That's why you see shows like the x-files deteriorate in years 6,7, 8, 9, 10...
Lost has a 5 year bible for sure.
24 was a unique, rare situation. The writers pitched it, and sold the show as soon as the plot for season one left their mouths. Lireally on the spot. Hence, no bible and making it up as they go along.
Anyway, the Lost writers have a plan. They know what they are doing and where the story is going! I'm tired of people claiming otherwise!
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in Season 2, there is a scene where Ecko and the Smoke monster come face to face. IN the UK richard and Judy played that scene and slowed it down. you can the images of some people in it. these are all Ecko's family. The smoke monster acts like a memory mirror. Jack saw his what he thought was his dad but it wasnt his dad at all, the smoke monster sppeared like his dad. IN season one before boone was killed he saw something attack his step- sister shannon. a full season before she herself died. Exko wasnt killed because he showed no fear. Locke was pulled underground by something and had to be rescued by jack and the gang. The Island is one Psyschological mind screw.
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...never want the show to go anywhere? Do you want season 1 to just go on repeat with all the "cool" characters living indefinitely? Do you not want to actually *fear* for characters? I liked Eko too, but - regardless of the true reasons he was cut from the show (EW puts a very different spin on it from this DUI theories) - his death was a pretty key event with respect to revealing what the monster is all about. Bad news, folks: this island is dangerous, and before it's all said and done many more of your favorite characters will be dead. Go watch fucking Gilligan's Island if you can't handle it. Otherwise, go read The Dark Tower (or Hamlet, for that matter) and realize that good characters must die sometimes for the sake of narrative.
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theory, not theories
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I agree! Eko was a tool to drive the narrative forward, and his back story was nicely wrapped up in this episode. There really wasn't anything else to drag out of his background - his demons HAD to face him... and beat him to a pulp. That's why the key characters' back stories are developing so slow: they are needed to justify their right to stay on camera. Who's next? I'm guessing the hobbit. His story is dry. Oh, and I hope they kill off Jack before they kill Locke. Dig Locke, Jack bores me out of my skull!
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I dislike the uppity MILF-stalker as much as the next guy, but he's valuable to the show in that he's one of the few characters (him and Hurley, I think) who don't just say things in order to advance the plot. Think back on it and you'll realize this is true. Locke will be all like "Ana-Lucia, we have an Other in the hatch. Come investigate it." or Sayid will be like "I can re-route the gizmamotrons to the flux capacitor in order to heal the monitors," whereas Charlie just yammers on about the Kinks or how polar bears are the Einsteins of the animal kingdom. It's annoying, but it adds some realism to the show.
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Eko's death was such a surprise to me. I still ask myself WHY? The last three deaths on the show have been the "Tailies." Why would the writers introduce these three new characters just to have them killed off. It doesn't make sense to me from both a creative and a structural point of view. Thematically though, Eko had his death coming ever since his first flashback when he committed point blank murder. Thinking about it deeper, Eko might have been targeted because he killed an "Other." I think that later on we'll find out that Michael was specifically told to kill Ana Lucia because she murdered "Goodwyn" and we know Libby's murder was a mistake. So that just leaves Charlie and Sun left as the two "Other murderers" who have yet to receive their poetic justice.
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Jack finally has some leverage on the Others. Why in the world wouldn't he just say "Fine, I'll operate - but you have to tell me everything. How you got here? Why do all of this to us? Who the h-ll you are? What's Dharma?" I get that maybe some of this stuff is happening offscreen, and maybe the Others will just lie anyway, but it's the total lack of characters ASKING BASIC QUESTIONS THAT ANY REASONABLE PERSON WOULD ASK that is SO frustrating about this show. I am all for suspending disbelief, etc. but this is why (and I've watched every episode so far) I am starting to lose interest.
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