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So Does This Mean We'll See SUPERMAN RETURNS RETURNS?!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
I got a number of letters about this today, so I thought it was worth a mention.
I'm still trying to figure out how this "proves wrong" anyone who wasn't thrilled by SUPERMAN RETURNS. If this sequel actually comes together, I hope that the issues that many people rightfully had with the movie are addressed and we see something that finally delivers on the promise of The Man Of Steel on the bigscreen. I just recently read Tom DeHaven's brilliant IT'S SUPERMAN!, a novel that successfully reinvented the character in a way that Singer's film just plain didn't. I like Singer, and I even think Routh was the right guy for the job, but I still think the entire thing was the wrong take on the icon.
I would imagine that Professional Studio Flunkies IESB got this one right. They basically exist to publish whatever the studios tell them to at this point, so if they're saying it's "official," then no doubt it is. At any rate, check this out:
Hey Harry,
I'm sure you know this but just in case. The following was taken from Dark Horizons with a confirmed report by IESB. I guess pretty much every naysayer who didn't like the film were proved wrong. The sequel is coming, Singer is back, and it's going to start production in a year. SR wasn't a perfect film, but it stayed true to the character and was a great start. Can't wait for the more action packed flick!
Warner Bros. has kept "Superman Returns" playing long enough that this past weekend it finally cracked the $200 million mark domestically and so the studio will move forward with a sequel.
The IESB has learned that Bryan Singer has finalized a deal to move forward with the sequel this past weekend and the studio is planning to start production sometime as early as next September with much of the same team behind "Returns". This would indicate shooting would probably begin early 2008 for a Summer 2009 release.
In a very smart move as well, the two big criticisms thrown against the film are being directly addressed - the budget and the lack of action & fun in the film. The action quotient will be strongly ramped up and a non-Lex DC villain looks like it will be the main villain of the piece.
In regards to the cost, 'Returns' had an official budget around $204-208 million, plus tens of millions in development costs over the years. No development costs this time around, and the production budget will be set at a perfectly sound $140-175 million.
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If they are doing what this guy says the sequel might actually turn out cool. They really missed the mark the first time around.
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$175 million is still walking-around money, and considering how long it took for 'Supes' to clear the 200 million-dollar mark domestically I don't think I can blame Warner Bros. for a little conservatism. I enjoyed parts of 'Superman Returns' a great deal, but a more compelling villain this time around would be nice. A little more Clark Kent (i.e. personality) would be nice as well.
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I quite enjoyed SR at the time. My biggest problem was with the casting of Lois - did anyone else think that Parker Posey would have made a better Lois?, and the child subplot. Thought Routh was fine though. Alot of people have said this and I tend to agree with them - it was a chick-flick with a couple of action sequences (the airplane crash was the best bit by far).
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when the hell do we get the results?? I actually submitted an entry
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that's a relief, I know we were all worried about the sequel having a big buget. Here's hoping Singer follows up on his promise to go all "Wrath Of Khan" with his sequel.
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You know you do too.
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...I know Moriarty warned us that they were "studio flunkies," but yikes! "Fantastic decision making, WB! Surely you are wise and just."
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Great storyline and acting--the action was a bit short, though, and here's hoping that's improved upon.
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I liked this Superman Returns very much. It reminded me of a more old-fashioned, ET/Raiders Of The Lost Ark-era type of film making (jeez, the eighties is 'old-fashioned' now. That makes me feel old). In fact, I thought the whole thing was very Spielberg-y, which I suppose is appropriate since he's such an idol to Mr Singer. Given the huge leap he made from X-Men to X-Men 2, I'm looking forward to seeing what Mr Singer can do with a sequel.
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Finish the kid storyline, and then give the ball to you know who.
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they should have Superman wake up and realize that the whole first movie was just a dream and that Jason (Supes' kid) doesn't actually exist. I hated that shit. Also, the movie doesn't need a villain, least of all Lex Luthor. It should just consist of Superman flying around and fighting crime and preventing disasters. No kid, no Lois, no Lex, just scene after scene of Superman being super.
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That story makes no sense.
First, Warner isn't going to greenlight a sequel because it "finally cracked" $200 million. It's an arbitrary number to the guys counting the money. Second, they're not going to make the budget story #1.
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1) Recast Lois. 2) Get rid of the kid somehow. 3) Get a REAL super-villain this time, okay? Like Brainiac or Doomsday.
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I don't even want to think about it. I'll just get the new DVD's of Superman and Superman II instead.
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But when you combine it with X2, you get a solid piece of comic book cinema.
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I wish, he'd get off his kick about paying tribute to his favorite films i.e. pretty much ripping them off, and making it painfully obvious.X2's ending was Wrath meets Superman, and Superman Returns outside of the brilliant kid premise and the required ooh-aah special effects, was nothing more than a much ballyhooed hard-on for Donner.Even though I think he's been in a creative rut, I still wish he was the guy at the helm of the Trek prequel / relaunch / reboot / whatever. Because it's obvious he loves it. Hell, back before X-men he was talkin' Trek.And having him do what he did with Returns would be incredible, because Trek does not need to change, especially if they are doing Kirk and Spock.Supes on the otherhand, desperately needs to be modernized.
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superman returns captured the spirit of the superhero with almost no faults...i dug singer's take on a hero who hears everything, bears the burden of helping everyone, but can't truly be surrounded by people he loves.
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It cracked 200 million domestic, which was the number they said they'd guarantee a sequel at if it could crack it. ALso, worldwide it did around another 180 - 190 giving it a total run of 390 or so million dollars I think it was. That's a nice total... not great but good enough to warrant greenlighting a sequel. But I totally agree. Give me Brainiac and Doomsday goddammit
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Um, no.No matter what you stick X1 with. It will remain shit.
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It's no surprise it got to $200mil.It's like they kept it in theaters as long as they could just to prevent a certain changing of the guard and admitting they made a mistake in the direction of the franchise.And when I say "changing of the guard", I use that term loosely, because guard was changed, then stolen.
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Brainiac seems like a good choice. I'm not totally sold on Doomsday. In and of itself, I think he's a pretty boring character. Two pixelized characters just pummeling the crap out of each other? That'd be like a two-hour version of the 'Van Helsing' climax. I have a perverse desire to see Lobo fight Superman, for some reason.
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But a little more action and humor can't hurt the second time around.
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...anyone who didn't likes to drink horse cum. I was a little annoyed that Superman's arc in the film seemed to be a progression of lifting bigger and bigger heavy things, but overall it blew my hair back and I didn't even mind the kid.
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Huh. I'm shocked. Ok ok well it is more of a movie within the movie but oh well....
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Routh was inspired casting. Singer brought much needed density to the characters and relationships I dug the whole conflicted saviour trip too. Only bugbear there was Bosworth, just did'nt have the requisite 'Girl Friday' sass you'd expect of Lois Lane (Kidder nailed it to perfection), though I guess that could'be been a conscious choice on Singer's part so as not to impinge on the gravitas of the love triangle. Beautifully shot and some great action sequences; the foundations have been laid, hopefully the next installment can up the ante on action, address those pacing issues and introduce a new supervillain or villains (A pretext to liberate Zod and the renegade Kryptonians would be cool in my book, revisit some of the carnage of Supes II!)
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I thought it was the best movie that came out this summer, with Pirates 2 being 2nd and Clerks 2 being 3rd. Just my opinion.
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for allowing the bigots to hijack the talkback for this film and x-men 3. I enjoyed both movies very much. But thanks to the site you cannot enjoy movies anymore.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Damn you michael Bay.
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As a longtime Superman fan, I loved it. Routh was the second best Supes ever, and Singer did a great job. I reckon it's the best superhero flick since Batman Returns.
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I'm betting that the people who thought Superman Returns sucked are the same people that didn't like Hulk i.e. people who thought Daredevil was good. You people are not smart enough to know good from bad, right from wrong and your opinion does not count. Just do the world a favour and don't have any kids.
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You'd think it would. Maybe it does for some people. But every time I see that absurdist gem pop up on one of the TalkBacks I crack up. I don't know where you got your schitck from, but kudos.
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He made Superman as real as possible so when the action did start you weren't just watching special effects, you actually cared and we got to see alot of what Supes does best, and that is save people. Lex was the perfect villian for a first film in Superman series, he is iconic, good idea to save the supervillians for the sequel, that will keep them coming back for more.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twNEjEiUQ8wThat's progress.MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER!!!
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Sue me.
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This is good news indeed. I loved the movie, but always felt Lois Lane was a weak link in the chain.Still, when all is said and done, we are now definately getting a sequel! Just hope there are no friigin Pirates to fuck things up for us come 09. Now there was a movie that did'nt deserve to do so well!
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Im not about to hate Superman Returns because they had the ordacity to not include a scene where Supes flies into my bedroom and gives me a handjob. Which is clearly what the haters problem is.
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I think the general antipathy and even hate towards it is undeserved - I liked that Singer was more interested in actually creating a story than just a bunch of needless action scenes (Big water wheel fight in Pirates 2 anyone?) - the action was in a word, organic and happened for a reason rather than being the reason for the story. Sure I'd like to have seen more action, maybe more Clark and though I liked it, I wonder if they've ritten themselves into a corner with the whole kid thing. I think SR2 will be cheaper and Singer has already said that this, because most of the R&D is already done for the first film so most of the technology is there already to pick up and carry on where they left of...so all being well, they ought to get more out of their dollars this time round; now that the character's established again, we can hopefully get more of a confectious and exciting adventure piece.
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I know, I've been extremely critical of you in the past, and with good reason. But that doesn't matter, because we have a mutual interest in making sure thing Superman Retuns Again, does poorly at the box office. You, with you hatred for Singer, and myself for actually wanting the Superman franchise to be updated for a new generation and stop living in the past.It is my understanding that Hugh Jackman's Wolverine spinoff will supposedly be out that same summer. How about putting it head to hed or pull a Pirates and release it the week after and kill it. Kill it dead.We both know, even if you get the shittiest director in the world to direct Wolvie, it will blow Supes away at the box office, because the kids think Logan is hella cool. I think he's a bit overrated myself, but thats beside the point. If it means that Routh would be vnquished at the hands of Mr.Jackman, then I'm all for it!Also, it's been rumored that Gambit, another character I find highly overrated , will be in it. If so, theres NO WAY for them to compete. NONE.Mr.Rothman sir, I hereby promise to stop using the term "DAMN YOU ROTHMAN!!!" and it's abbreiviation "DYR!!!" from all future posts, in hopes that you honor my requests and sic some Adamantium Rage on 'ol Kal in '09.Your biggest fan and supporter,Shermdawg
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Singer's f*cked up too much of the saga to try and correct.
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Just because it was a Superman movie with the John Williams theme, a guy who looks oddly like Christopher Reeves as Superman, and a few brilliant scenes (I loved the whole airplane sequence) doesn't make it a great overall movie. I'm glad to see some people are coming around on it not being the "best thing ever". It's not as bad as Phantom Menace, but the same general overhype applies.
(some spoilers for the 2 people who haven't seen this)
- Stupid Kid/Love triangle subplot
- Superman/Clark Kent look exactly the same as far as hairstyle, etc, making the characters look like idiots for not figuring it out (made even more ridiculous some of the choices in the plot).
- Not enough action/fun
- Inconsistent powers... Superman struggles to lift a jet earlier in the film but lifts a giant island
- No meaningful revenge for Superman against Luthor
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the last five paragraphs of my post?Am I being censored here?My fellow Smallville fans, speak up. Support your show, like you did in the season premiere talkback.Or have you all been banished to the Phantom Zone???
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I like this Shermdawg who likes Smallville so much. I like Smallville, too, but I've never been able to figure out why. One of life's mysteries, I suppose. As to villains, I'd like to see Bizarro. I have no good reason for this, I just think it would be fun.
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I may be in the minority but I absolutely loved SUperman Returns. It may be because I have no other knowledge of the character than the movies and TV shows like Lois & Clark and Smallville. Hopefully the sequel will have more action for sure but I really just loved how much heart Returns had. Glad to see another one is coming, hopefully more people will be impressed if Singer beefs up the action a bit as I'd like to see this become a good franchise.
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This TB is going to get heated! Oh and Superman Returns had its moments but overall, it was very underwhelming. They need to get rid of those damn screenwriters and Boseworth.
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It seems that any movie with a kid actor in it is instantly hated by the masses here.
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doesnt mean it didnt make money. with overseas revs and home entertainment, they'll make a bit of money. Just a bit, but it wont be in the red. saying that is just sToopid, with a capital T.
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I can't believe that cost $200 million with no action and a story and characters already seen previously. Aren't sequels supposed to get bigger budgets? Singer is going to have to take some risks and deviate from Donner to get me to watch another one. Otherwise, I have the previous films on dvd already. And get rid of Lex fucking Luthor! He's smart! Wow! We get it! Supes has already beat him, oh, every fucking time! Lex plus Kryptonite equals we've already fucking seen that shit! We have special effects now! Let's see something else! Okay I'm done.
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I heart Superman like a 14 year old girl loves ponies, so when I heard the John Williams score and saw some of the iconic shots from SR I was definitely in heaven. Hitting a few sweet notes does not make for a good movie, the best lightsaber duel didn’t redeem Phantom Menace by a long shot. I'd love to see the sequel bring Brainiac the Kryptonian Supercomputer (ala the animated series) take an interest in that new big chunk of Kryptonite floating near earth and really mess with Superman’s identity as the “last son of Krypton”. Play on that theme of loneliness and alienation Oh, also, Richard's a pilot and a really good guy right? Kill him off right away while he’s part of the exploration effort on “New Krypton”, now Supes can have a chance to get close to Lois and the Kid and really have a tug-of-war between his Kent and Kal-El sides. Then when Doomsday shows up in the 3rd one and kills Superman for a while you can reveal that the personality animating the Cyborg, the guy who is so much like Superman, and who cares so much for Lois and the kid is Richard Perry brought back by Kryptonian technology and man does he have some hate ready on account of Supes taking his family from him.
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One of the worst of the big summer movies. Slow, boring, pretentious, senseless. It was like a big-budget 'Will & Grace' episode. And the hero of the movie was Perry White's son.
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Was that almost everything was taken far too seriously, and there was a sadness to Superman and the whole Lois situation. I'm all for some drama, but there were hardly any moments that were just plain fun, which Superman should have. Now, I didn't hate it. I liked the airplane sequence and the bullet in the eye routine was great. I guess I'd just like there to be a moment where you think, "Yeah! I wish I could be Superman!" There was too much "It's hard to be Superman" moments. That seems more like Spider-Man or Batman territory. By the way, I liked The Hulk AND Daredevil...
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Seeing "Superman Returns" was a lot like having a drunken one-night stand: It felt pretty good while you were doing it, but once you got to thinking about the details, major regret set in. Lex's plan made absolutely no sense, Superman had hardly any lines, the kid was a lame sub-plot, and every problem was solved by Supes lifting a bigger and bigger object. I hope they make a real Superman movie next time, or at least, a coherent one.
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Kill the kid and bring on Bizarro/Braniac!
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Except Christopher Reeve was Superman, and Richard Donner directed it.
Superman Returns was little more than a remake of the first Donner film. Some had been waiting twenty years for this movie (ten if we start from the time WB started making real moves to reboot the franchise), just to be given something we've already seen! We've had at least five different incarnations (animated and live-action) of Superman since the last Reeve film, that Superman Returns just seems too redundant. We've seen it all before; Clark growing up and dealing with his newfound powers (Smallville), Clark/Superman and Lois and their developing relationship (Lois & Clark), Epic battles(Superman:TAS & Justice League), etc. While they all owe something in tone or style to what was done in Donner's film, they never held so riggedly to that model that it came off as imitation. Superman Returns is an imitation. It looks nice and all, but doesn't offer a lot that's new. Anything new it does offer (Superman's son) is stupid.
We can compare this situation to X-Men all we want, but no one had any expectations for X-Men (least of all, Tom Rothman). And that movie's domestic gross made double the budget. Superman Returns on name alone should have cleared 200 mill in the some time fram as X3. And as popular as Singer had become from the success of X2, that should have just increased the margin. But more and more, I think a lot of people just saw the film as too much of a rehash. So much of it follows the narrative of the Donner film, not to mention a lot of recycled dialogue. You can claim it as "homage" all you want, but we're paying more and more to see movies these days, and the last thing I want to do is shell out ten bucks for something that's been done better on free television over the last twenty years. -
Oct 27, 2006 8:00:12 AM CDT
SR stayed true to which character? Not Supes, Lex, Lois
by useridgoeshere
I guess Jimmy and Perry were cool, but the big three were terribly cast and/or written. And you cannot compare X1/X2 with SR/SR2. With X1, he had to tell an origin story for a team with very little time and money. X2 gave him more time, money and established characters. With SR he had all the time and money in the world to get the most established and recognizable superhero in the world right. So now with less money, people think things will improve? Ha! The fact that both he and WB seem to refuse to acknowledge how bad SR was tells you that they just don't get it. It's not just about more action, it's about a horribly flawed storyline and terrible characters. Oh well. From the studio that brought you Poseidon and Lady in the Water comes another sure-fire blockbuster.
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...instead of jerking off over Richard Donner?
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to sell Superman returns again or whatever they call. Because the audience will be like a friday night in a UK Working mans club in Newcastle in the north of England. Tough to please and little hostile and or slightly bored or drunk.
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"It stayed true to the character"? Was that before or after they decided to make Supes a daddy? As far as I'm concerned that little nugget is what throws this entire series into a tailspin. The acting was good, the characters (all except Jimmy Olsen) were good. This movie had the opportunity to be a great movie, a great restart of a franchise involving the greatest superhero ever, yet Bryan Singer screwed it all up for the sake of adding more drama. Screw that!
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whatever you do...
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Sounds like the future SUPERMAN and HULK flicks will be injecting some fun and more action. If the stories are good, then these movies should do quite well.
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There's a real easy fix to the son problem. Just have the supervillian kill him off. It's not like he's canonical to the mythology and it will bring emotional gravity to the movie. Then we're back square one. Whoo hoo.
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As much as i hated the Bosworth and dear god i wanted luthor to take her out so badly. The point of the movie was this Superman returns to a world that has moved on without him and doesnt need him . I think what should happen is this...in Batman Returns and did hear a rumour that this may happen or it may not. we will see... Rachel dawes dies, So following that logic, Why dont they kill off Lois lane and take superman into much darker territory and in that way they can set up a pact between Richard White and Luthor. BUt how pissed must Spacey be. To discover he wont be needed for the second film or for the any other Supes film that must hurt a little?
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...not to put you on the spot or anything but what WOULD have been the right take on Superman?
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Zod! Because Singer refuses to accept any source material for Superman other than the movies and TV shows.
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ROTS will own your ass!
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I mean jebus, that really bothered me in the first movie. Why did Singer on throwing the relgious allegory in there?
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Like I said if it has CGI or A cape tons of talkback responses.
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I'd give it about 3 minutes before posts start popping up with your name on them talking about how much you love man milk.
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can't stand it. It was painfully shit on almost every levelHowever, I don't feel an overwhelming need to rehash the old arguments again. To answer your question Pongo: not all child actors/ characters, just pointless unnecessarily distracting from the storyline, irritating ones.
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Great post, dude. Superman was always patriotic. Truth Justice and the american way and all that. When supes was created originally he rallied the american nation and US troops overseas. A terrible idea would be to make supes into some sort of neo con superman or a super patriot. Superman returned to find that the world had moved on. Superman popularity was tied in to that of america's popularity during world war two and the great depression. but now the quesion is what kind of superman for the 21st century do we want that is the challenge for the comic book makers as well as the film makers. So I say they follow the current trend like batman and start all over again. They have just done it with bond. The story for Casino Royale will be continued in the next two bond movies.
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My favorite movie of 2006! And I for one don't want to see Zod...been there, done that. Gimme Brainiac, Metallo, Mxyzptlk, Parasite, Doomsday, Darkseid maybe? But no more Zod. He got his ass kicked in Superman II, and that's enough for him...I also want to see Kandor and Supergirl eventually!...And X-Men: The Last Stand really, really sucked! Yep.
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Oct 27, 2006 8:49:29 AM CDT
Personally, I thought it was the best movie of the year
by theneonsamurai
No joke. Me, my wife, my brother, my best friends. We all thought it was everything a Superman movie should be. I was so happy I saw it twice. My wife, who had never read the comic said it was her favorite movie of the year. My bro, who owns a comic book store, couldn't have been happier. Unfortunately, we're not the homophobic junior high kids the studios are after. Go back to watching X3 and jerking off to that 300 trailer. Frat boy.
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People can stop bitching and moaning about how much money Superman Returns did or didn't make, because in the end all the SR lovers wanted was for it to make enough money to warrant a sequel. Seems like it did. Oh, and this only proves the haters wrong in that it wasn't a box office bomb. A studio would not greenlight a sequel if the movie tanked.
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...but this conversation has been had many many times before and I don't have anything new to add, so I'll leave it at that.
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Brainiac wants Supe's....Super's says no .....Lets have Braniac kill of his son then...kick assing ensues... then have Supe's look at the world's that Brainiac has visited and see a glimpse of Darkseid's.... DROOOOOOL... Singer can do it. Then a 2-parter with Darkseid... gawd!
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Fine by me - really enjoyed Returns. Did see it in 3D at the IMAX though..
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Although I'll admit that I'm a but of a schmuck for shining light on the siuation. But cmon, you knew all hell was gonna break loose anyway, didn't ya? Me? I'm more of a fan of "man-yoguart" than "man-milk."
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Welcome to the revolution Freefinger! :P
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Right after he sets the jet down in the middle of the baseball field and waves at everybody. Everything after that was horrible. And, by the way, if this is supposed to take place 15 years after Superman II, why does Lois look 19? Why is she stupid? If she was able to convince the pilot that the kid was his, that means she would have had to sleep with him with a month of sleeping with Superman. In other words, Lois is a slut. Also, is Superman a deadbeat dad?
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You may wanna change your password, I think theres a option for it somewhere on here.I almost did the same thing once myself, lol.
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Right after he sets the jet down in the middle of the baseball field and waves at everybody. Everything after that was horrible. And, by the way, if this is supposed to take place 15 years after Superman II, why does Lois look 19? Why is she stupid? If she was able to convince the pilot that the kid was his, that means she would have had to sleep with him with a month of sleeping with Superman. In other words, Lois is a slut. Also, is Superman a deadbeat dad?
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He invades Earth right near the begining of the film and Superman has to find allies in New Genesis to help him. End it on a cliffhanger for the next movie. Think ID4 meets ROTK. Even Singer, with his dislike of good fight scenes, couldn't mess it up.
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I was pretty excited to see this movie after watching the trailer, especially after the disappointment of X3, but the movie just didn't deliver. Most of the flaws have already been mentioned in this talkback, so I will keep it to a few things I didn't see in here. How did a 50 katrillion ton chunk of Kryptonite float into space, but 200 pound Superman fell back to Earth? Why didn't all of that Kryptonite kill him? He went to the hospital? What? What were human doctors able to do for the man of steel? How was Parker Posey not Lois Lane? I guess women over 30 aren't good enough for the lead romantic role in a blockbuster, no matter how right they are for the part. Almost a 3 hour running time? Come on. Superman is a metrosexual? Never knew that, but it makes sense since he lives in Metropolis.
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I didn't love Superman Returns, but in my own little way, I think there might be some meat to a sequel. For example, Lois' boyfriend isn't totally a jerk (he went back to save Superman for goodness sakes!) and he's good to Lois, and there's the 'possibility' that Supes is a daddy, and it's clear that he still digs Lois...
So, what happens if somethin comes along that threatens that little slice of happiness? What if Lois' life in danger, and the kid, the only remaining half-heir to Krypton is in danger? What happens when you pit his love for all of these people in a situation where ultimate power has to be either restrained or unleashed...hello drama!
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Saying "you were wrong, it didn't bomb" is like saying Jackass 2 is better than, say "The Shawshank Redemption" because it grossed more money. The story was just plain bad. Again, even if your reason for liking it was "it followed the Donner movie," why on earth call it a sequel instead of a remake? And if all you wanted was to see Superman fly and lift things, rent the Superman video game. I hear that one, at least, had Metallo for him to fight.
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That is interesting. Here's the thing: I'm not a big believer in the all-importance of the zeitgeist. For people who don't watch movies with any sort of historical context, that sort of thing becomes pointless several years down the road anyway. It does help gauge the success and failure of films (usually the success), but that's not without its exceptions ('Eternal Sunshine' anyone?). I think Superman is fundamentally boring as a character to people who have a working knowledge of who he is but aren't terribly invested in him. He's nigh-invulnerable, he doesn't have any neuroses or tics, and the villains he fights are basically just colossal wastes of time. He certainly has the potential to be interesting as a character, and in some ways I think that Singer relates to him more than most people do. The sense of displacement and intimidation by unfamiliar surroundings, coupled with the sense of social responsibility and personal conviction. They're qualities that Singer's implied they share, and I can see what he was going for in that regard as I watch the film. But as far as character portraits go, he and his writers dropped the ball in a couple fundamental ways. I will write about those later, but right now I gotta bounce.
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GET RID OF BRYAN SINGER! Why in the hell would you let him anywhere near this sequel? Two: Get rid of Kate Bosworth. Kate Bosworth as Lois Lane = FLAMES ON OPTIMUS. Three: If your going to use John Williams music, get John Williams to do it period. Four: A villian worthy of shelling out your hard earned money to see. It's not that hard, Warner Brothers! Don't make fucking rocket science out of it!!
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It ain't even close.And I seriously doubt many of the average movie goers went to see Bats 3-4 times.
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I think there's been a lot of criticism of this young girl who played Lois Lane, most of it justified. She was the only part that didn't really work for me. She's very pretty and may go on to be an excellent actress, but there was a slightness and immaturity about her that didn't sit right with the Lois character, especially now she's a mother. The good thing is, she'll be older by the time they get round to the sequel, so hopefully she won't seem like such an inappropriate choice.
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and more like a face-saving attempt for Singer and Horn.
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Superman Returns was poor, it suffered from the same problems that X Men and in particular X Men 2 suffered from. A director who can't do action. Also Lois was a dreadful choice. It wasn't as bad as X Men 2 but it was average at best. Expectations were high after Batman Begins. I think he is a poor director who fluked The Usual Suspects
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The 78 flick was an epic befitting the prototypical Superhero with a fun tone. Returns had it backwards in reducing the story to an intimate (read SMALL) movie that tried to even the balance of Supes being a legendary figure by being tonally 'somber' and 'respectful' to show his importance. The tail wagged the dog, man. Thank God for Jimmy or the whole thing would've imploded from seriousness. I keed because I love.
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More ways to say, we hate Singer and Routh is gay. Or the other way around. People just can't get to used to a modernized Superman. But let's face it - box office be damned, as far as 2006 summer superhero movies, SR was hands down a better film than the abortion that was X3, an ill-conceived kitchen sink, let's - throw-shit-at-a-wall -and-see- what-sticks kind of movie. SR was epic, while X3 was scifi channel movie of the week. And I know I'm in the minority, but I thought the kid and James Marsden's characters were some of the best elements of the film. Showing us a great contrast between the everyday hero and the savior-hero. Singer was playing with an ideal here and aimed high - and even though it misstepped a bit, it was an ambitious way to reboot the franchise. Can't wait to see what's next, especially now that the supesverse has been re-established and they can ramp up the action.
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Nope, I hated the film, not just because of the abuse of the canon, but because it was dull, portentious, plot hole ridden, poorly acted, badly scripted, weakly directed shit. Knew I wouldn't be able to resist it. Also, how long before brokeback/BSB or zfisk use freefingers password as "support" for their anti-zion rantings. I predict a ban inside of a month
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I love the lunatic who decided to hijack Freefinger's username.
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the balls to make more of those old Hercules movies, the ones with the styrofoam boulders and HOT Eye-talian actresses.
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Superman Returns was in no way modern, it was a poor re-hash of the original. Even Kevin Spacey wasn't particularly good. The only bits that did anything for me were the parts taken from the original like the music. People are so desperate to read something into that film that just isn't there or is poorly done.....jesus allegory etc, yeah that is there but it's so blindingly obvious so the masses can pick up on it.
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Bosworth was truly awful casting. The kid idea seemed like the sort of thing a child would come up with, and has placed a rod up Singers back (insert joke here) for the future
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But didn't go gaga for it. Certainly it could have been better but I think it was, as usual with blockbusters, waaay overhyped. And I liked Lois, in fact the weak link for me was Luthor, Spacey was good but the role was underwritten and basically a plot device, that's too a big flaw no matter how good everything else was. Hmm ok I guess it not being explained how or why he woke up from the coma was also a stupidly obvious plothole. In conclusion I'm sure the sequel will gain from the problems found in the first.
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McSweeney's article "thing my 5 yr old says that everybody else think are sweet" the whole reckoning deal is a direct left.
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If he actually has any...
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The guy who wrote Batman and Robin got to work again and won an Oscar no less, Kevin Costner still has a SAG card and they're actually giving Bryan Singer more money to do another mangling of what should have been a no brainer film. Someone sucks a meaner cock than Pam Anderson, Jenna Jameson and Andy Dick combined.
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I mean jebus, this is funny.
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oh sweet jebus, you're so screwed Freefinger.
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and I really didn't want it to suck. that first trailer really had me excited. the images, the voice, the music. WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED? we get a kid, cyclops and bloody lois lane with a horrendous hair do. AND then there was parker posey...seriously, everybody associated with that flick had to be on some type of drugs while they watched the dailies to not see how embarrassing her character was. the only decent part was Ian Roberts beating up superman. GO the Manly Sea Eagles in 2007! (aussie footy team).
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I think many people were disappointed with Superman Returns because it wasn't the brain dead action movie they expected. It was thoughtful and ambitious. I think when it comes out on DVD and people get a chance to see it again, they will appreciate it more.
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could have done much worse.
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And that's not because of a lack of action. It was a stupid and sickly love story, featuring a freakishly obsessed stalker with the ability to listen to your conversations and look through your apartment walls. The opening credits were superb though.
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"Thoughtful and ambitious" = peeping tom and 17 year old Lois? There are some successesfull elements in the movie, e.g. Supes' lonliness and that new Richard Perry character, but the flaws only become more glaring on repeat viewings: Lex's lame plan, the terrible McGuffin that took Superman away for 5 years.... Seriously, weak. It's like no one thought these things through. Brainiac Invdaes! Luthor for President!
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and Singer is treated like the next Wunderkind. I just don't get it.
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SR was a well crafted good old time at the movies. If you didn't get what you think you deserved go be a director or writer and make your own! Singer has extended you fans extreme curtosies. So what if it isn't a perfect 10. This movie oozes as much love for the franchise as Donner had..
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I am so glad Brian Singer gave up X3 to make Superman Returns. One of the biggest surprises of the year and a damn fun night out. Anybody who grew up in the eighties would have enjoyed this. The perfect combination of eighties cheese and modern day cinema.
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...over 200 mil. BOOSH-LEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The last couple seasons of Smallville have been a revelation. I've always liked the show, but as Clark becomes a more global entity, and more JLA characters are appearing, it's the only incarnation of Superman that I have any interest in. I have no problem with updates they've made to the mythos, because they have the characters nailed. I haven't cared this much about Clark Kent and the characters around him in 28 years. I was so underwhelmed by SUPERMAN RETURNS, and it's nice to see that someone somewhere else at Warners actually understands that Superman is an actual hero, and not a sad, stalking prick with a kid who's going to derail the whole franchise.
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The only proof that anyone needs to show that this film got Superman WRONG: Superman abandons Earth for FIVE YEARS, after promising in the (now) previous installment that he would never do that again. And, without making sure that Lex Luthor stayed behind bars. Fuck Singer's Superman. I have no interest in a Superman that self-absorbed and that big of a liar.
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This is what the next movie should be: a comic book allegory for the bungling of the war in Iraq. Have Superman get "drafted" into a superfluous intergalactic war, where he needs to "liberate" the slaves of Apokalips from evil dictator/terrorist Darkseid. Luthorcorp stands to make billions. If Superman doesn't go, then he is a traitor. It is too easy.
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I think I've figured out what the plan is. Quint plans on continuing the contest with each Superman movie that comes out until everybody who enters has finally submitted an entire comic book. He will then submit those comics to Singer as scripts for upcoming Superman movies.
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I actually really liked the flick. People complain so much about the kid when he actually really wasn't that bad of a character. It's interesting. People think that he's going to be some Superboy or something... not so. He only used his powers when he became upset. He's not Superman. One of the best moments came at the end when Supes delivered the Brando/Jor El father/son dialogue.
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As far as the good and the bad goes? Yeah, the script had too much and some plot wholes as well. Luthor's plot was a bit lame, but no different than the original movie. If the movie had been two hours long, instead of two and a half, it would have flowed much better AND it would have made more money because they would have had some more showings per night. Jimmy Olsen in this movie was the WORST part. Terribly overacted. And yes, Lois Lane's character wasn't realistic as a mother when she brought her son into that boat. Poor screenwriting there. HOWEVER, I liked seeing a flawed Superman dealing with some hard shit. He left a hero, and came back forgotten. It was great to see Singer explore that. It would have been lame is Supes came back and just flew around and blew shit up. This movie had character. The action sequences that were in there were great. Spielberg recently stated that the shuttle sequence was one of the most amazing action sequences he's seen in years. True. Anyway, I'm pumped to see a sequel and I'm sure all of the naysayers will be happy with it because the problems they had with it are being addressed (action/fun). And the talk of this being a direct rehash of the original is just wrong. It utlized certain elements, and yes, had some throwback scenes, but it wasn't the step by step rehash. Just went to it again last week. -
Sacred hog of Prague, what have you done?!?!?!
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I'll probably sit this one out if Singer returns. Too bad they don't continue to copy the tradition of the Donner flicks, and boot this guy's ass off the set.
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We should actually add "Damn You Brett Ratner" and "Damn You WS Anderson" into the fray and it must be done for every future talkback on AICN just to cement their horrible contributions to the history of film.
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My post got fucked so I'll say it again. This news proves naysayers wrng because when the movie came out the TBers who hated it were insistant that WB would not greenlight a sequel anytime soon... maybe five years from now (well, happened within six months guys). They insisted that the movie would never break $200 million domestic (it did... better late than never). They insisted Singer was begging for his job back for a sequel and that WB would never hire him for one (they did). Etc. Etc. I wouldn't have cared but you know how TBers get. They step onto their soapbox thinking they are the all knowing and if you say otherwise they turn into A.D.D. ranting piss moaners. Just because Singer didn't make the movie you wanted to see, doesn't mean it was bad. It had some bad screenwriting yeah, but don't tell me the overrated Spider-Man movies didn't (Green Goblin anyone????). In short, it was a good start, just like the first X-Men was. Singer stepped up the second time around for that franchise and now with the assurance that there will be a tighter script/running time and more action and fun... maybe naysayers will get the movie they've been waiting for.
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Superman Returns was.. in a Hollywood way, a good comeback. The effects were awesome.. All the characters were cast well..
But for me, the real problem with the "Super Heroes" movie, and especially with the "Superman" movies.. from Reeve to Routh, is that the people writing the story, don't really know how to judge the character's abilities properly and well, the origin tales are usually not well orchestrated either.
Take Superman.. Coming from a Planet that has knowledge of the 28 known galaxies.. yet, only one spacecraft made it out with the last son of Krypton.. You would think there would have been a few Kryptonian explorers.. heck, a fleet of ships at that point in their civilisations.
Also, we are talking extremely intelligent, sophisticated and computer litterate people.. so, when someone like Jor-El says.. "i've computed that we are going to exploded".. You would think being the supergenius his peers seems him, for all the inventions he's made (phantom zone, etc.) he would have some form of recognition.
That's just the tip of the iceberg on how lousy the origin tales are.
Take a look at Superman and his powers.
He can travel backwards in time... (Why not travel back before Krypton exploded)
A goodsize chunk of kryptonite makes him drown in the first Superman movie.
In SR he gets stabbed with a sliver of kryptonite
Before being stabbed, just being exposed to the island he's on, his strength is sapped enough that he gets beaten up by Luthor and goons.
But somehow, once rescued, has enough strength to lift up an entire island laced said Kryptonite, although his invulnerability isn't full, and neither is his strength.
See how not right this is.. How can he loses so much of his strength, so quickly with exposure, and get beaten up.. But still be so strong exposed to it, and lift the island?
Well yeah, it's all fiction.
But, within the fiction, it's not believable.
These are the details which makes holes in the story line.
So between a "holy" origin and "powers" that don't compute.
You are bound to end up with a dissastifying movie. No matter how good the effects or the characters may be.
Movies like Batman Returns, Blade, heck even Spider-Man are well thought off, the characters are more believable and the story line are great. It's all about making it believable.
I would love to see a great Superman movie.
And it could happen.
When whoever works up the story, gets to redo a better origin, and truly seizes up and understands the power of Superman, it's potential and limits and to be true to them in the story telling.
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Harris and Dougherty proved on this film that they weren't the brain trust on X2 that they claimed to be (and everyone thought they were). They made such stupid sturctural errors as to make me believe they are not better than that crappy URBAN LEGENDS film they worked on. Singer knows what he's doing, but it's the writer's job to make sure the narrative and characters are dead on. New writers please...
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half a year now I won't recap everything I've said. BUt will only say that if Singer is kept on board - THE FUCKING HACK WRITERS MUST GO!!!
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I'll see this if Lois eats a damned sandwich...
Make that 500 sandwiches.
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Many of you are so pretentious! U fail 2 understand that Supes fans fall into different categories (This board is largely comprised of people from the same group fans): Comic book fans, TV show fans, fans of the movie franchise. I fall mainly into the latter category although I watched some Supes TV. Though a "vague" sequel, SR was a sequel and the expectation is that it maintains the tone of the previous two movies. Supes is not a dark dude. That's Batman! Why would the studio bother to have another dark, superhero?!?
I liked SR for having a great deal of "heart" but would have liked a little more action and a better villain plot.
The kid was a good idea b/c he is a combination of goody-goody Supes and impulsive Lois. He will B an interesting character and pose an interesting, human dilemna for Supes who grapples w/ personal happiness vs. saving the world. Now there is the obligation of being a father.
I dig the attempt to explore Supes more psychologically as is the current trend among the super hero movies.
I was not initially happy w/ Bosworth's casting but she was fine when I saw the movie. I would find it too disruptive if she were recast. As a fan of Supes I & II, I would not B interested in seeing a sequel w/o the Lois character (the franchise suffered when her character was marginalized).We also have to realize that her character has changed. Using common sense, u realize that Lois is not the same person that we used to know. She is more bitter and more disappointed. The air has come a bit out of her sails. Now that there is some resolution, I do hope there is better writing for this character which was superior during the Kidder and Hatcher years. Lois is not a mere sidekick but the cynical voice that was missing a bit from SR. The Lois character in the sequel to SR should additionally benefit from Bosworth's real life, impressive athletic background.
Routh was outstanding casting. Reeve was a supremely gifted comedic actor who left big red boots to fill, however, I agree with others that Clark Kent has since been more defined thanks to Lois & Clark and Smallville. He has room to grow and put his own mark on the character.
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That won't add up. Nothing eats up a budget more than and action sequence, so something's gonna give.
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No it didn't.
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Oct 27, 2006 12:01:04 PM CDT
I can't put into words how much I hate Superman Returns
by cotton mcknight
I absolutely hated it. Kevin Spacey was terrible, and don't even get me started on Lois Lane. Routh? I think he would be okay.. the moment he got out of the plane and looked at the crowd ALMOST brought me back to the Christopher Reeve days. But Singer made him such a sleazy character (stalking Lois Lane? umm okay), the whole thing was unwatchable. Oh yeah and the plot was just asinine. Oh yeah and the whole "truth, justice, and all that stuff" was just icing on the cake.
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Okay, agreed about little action. But budget is the second "big" criticism? What about the kid?
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Plus, the budget seems a bit low. Spidey 3 has a greenlight budget of $215 million. Pirates 2 and 3 together will cost nearly $450 million. A solid Supes movie should have that level of budget. Afterall, it wasn't the budget that was the problem, it was the script and lack of action.
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James Marsden acted more like Superman than Superman did. The Superman we got was a brooding, selfish, sleazy, whiny stalker with a God complex.
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I don't know if the real FreeFinger posted "Fuck You LandA" or not but I don't hate SR, Singer or the movies apologists. I was singling out Harry who was on Singer and SR's buts from the get go. There was an AICN pro-Singer/SR - anti-X3/Fox/Ratner/Rothman agenda from the time each film took shape. Opinions were formed before they had even seen the movies. So fuck you whoever you are if you can't see that!
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the kid is the way for Superman to grow & for this current franchise to distinguish itself from its other reincarnations. Otherwise, Supes remains the same one-dimensional, good guy. I like the challenge that the kid poses for Supes. on the business side, the kid is also a way to appeal to a younger audience b/c the Supes franchise is arguably more suited for the teen and up crowd. a kid (who we all know will be bad a$$ given his parentage) w/ some super powers is a potentially brilliant ploy to get a new generation into this franchise. The latter is a big reason why Pirates 2 did so well b/c it appealed to the largest demographic.
On another note, i don't think the sequel to SR will have a problem making more money if it pays attention to its pacing and adds slightly more action. I think BUT it must be careful not to alienate all of its different kinds fans. SR was an extremely successful chick flick (not many pass the $200M mark domestically) but while trying to strive for the B.O. numbers of XMEN3 or Spidey (by adding more action, it must maintain a balance). Go too much on the chick flick side, u alienate most people on this board, go too much on the XMEN3 side and make a soul-LESS sequel. the villain, the plot, and the casting for this villain will be the key. the writing as a whole and sticking to its roots of being a comedy piece (instead of being strung together w/stupid one liners) will also be essential. -
The reason Superman Returns didn't pull down more jing and earn it's place among classic superhero movies is bacause it was exactly what Singer wanted it to be: a continuation of the Donner films ("Gee, when I grow up I wanna do a movie JUST LIKE Superman 1!"). I'm still waiting to see, other than the color changes and "Superboy" just what a real Singer/Superman film would look like. Hopefully we'll get to see that with the sequel. I mean, Superman is an ICON, the Donner/Reeves Superman was good film, but still an 80's version of that icon. Let's hope we don't get Singer's version of Superman 2 or (god help us) 3 or 4 next. One of the unique points about Batman Begins wasn't the ground it covered, but the way it was covered. I can't wait to see Singer actually covering Superman the way HE would do it, and not Donner- THAT would be one hell of a film.
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The fantasy one is by far the best. Killed! More magic kingdoms less man milk! GO!
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Mark my words...
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Zero Wing was brought up. Good show! ^_^
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Dearest God, Can someone at the Aintitcool headquarters ben this verbal diarhea, What an over bearing wind bag. As the great Dr. McCoy said " I'd give real money if he'd shut up!" Whew! That said SR was great and the kid story line will go something like this, Brainiac Hitched a ride with Supe for his return trip to earth. He will use young Jasons Kryptonian DNA as a host/conduit he'll do battle with Supes/Dad but sacrifice himself in the end all very heroic and tragic. *sniff* That's a great movie! Peace.
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You're a CUNT! Have a good weekend.
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Captain Jack Sparrow and Captain Jack Harkness. The Genesis, Spock is alive, 'How do you feel?'. Singer and Donner sitting in a tree, fuck me up the ass for free. Heroes sucks, Galactica rules, Lost is getting there, does Benry need spinal surgery or is it Jack? Guess you're out of the fucking book club with Returns just breaking even like a motherfucker. Bring on The Dark Knight and Spides 3.
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I tried to see it at the end of August and it was already gone out of all the theatres in Columbus Ohio.
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Is this Freefinger dude on drugs?
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Doomsday
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Darkseid
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for something in the TB's going from funny to annoying (FreeFinger screenname hijack). Congrats retards!
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Doomsday would have to be mostly CG to be done correctly. Don't know if that's going to happen with a reduced budget.
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Change the origin story.. it's got too many holes.. Can't be from a planet who has the knowledge of 28 galaxies and be the last son of Krypton, makes no sense.. They had to move around to get that knowledge!
Whatever powers Superman has.. make sure they are understood by the writers.. Limits, Boundaries, when does sheer will power actually beat the physics??
Unless he's a whimp.. He should have been able to fight back those thugs with Luthor in SR.
Whatever weaknesses Superman has.. "Kryptonite for example".. make sure it's quantifiable..
Doesn't make sense for Supes to get beaten up by thugs, because he's getting sick from Kryptonite poisonning on the island he's on, only to be able, after being stabbed by a sliver of Kryptonite, to lift the entire island into space.
That's why I like Spider-man movies.. They retooled the origin and his abilities and they made more sense. Aka, organic web shooters, made sense to me.
So, throw in a good story line, a good solid "hole free" origin and some of the effects of SR with a new cast and you will have a great movie.
Consistency!! When a movie about Super Heroes is consistent (clear make sense origin, powers that have boundaries and well defined), good storyline, good effects.. These movies usually end up being great movies..
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Whale Rider
Magnolia
ET
Beautiful Girls
The Butcher Boy
That's just off the top of my head. There must be a million more (some might include "Interview With A Vampire," though I thought that movie sucked).
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Oct 27, 2006 1:41:26 PM CDT
Yack, you realize there are several of these morons...
by ricky henderson
I think... I really can't be sure whats going on here at the moment.
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I loved Superman Returns; gave it ***** and it's on my Top Ten Films of 2006 list. Can't wait to see what Singer has planned with the sequel...
Having said that, the issues with Returns are legit. I can certainly understand why WB & Co. are being more conservative with Superman VI's budget and insisting on more action sequences.
But (for me at least), the kid and Bosworth were far from an issue. Both sounded dreadfully bad in conception. But seeing the film, they somehow worked!
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The only purpose Superman Returns serves is to stablish Superman so that he can be in a World's Finest movie in wich Christina Bale kick Brandon Routh's ass. Nothing agains Routh thou, Singer is the one who blew it.
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the only solution: ban freefinger! Sorry, dude, but you brought this on yourself. Now 3/4 of this talkback are inane 'freefinger' posts and 1/4 continual bitching about how Singer didn't make the Superman movie they wanted. Waaah. And for the record, Singer did NOT rip off Donner. That's such an easy criticism that completely ignores what the film's actually about. Donner never would have taken the mythos in the interesting direction that Singer did. Singer moved the story forward instead of being stuck in the same loop that people expect. The first film was a way to establish those old ties and then attempt to go beyond them. I still say the challenges of Lois moving on, the character of Richard, and the kid are fascinating updates to what Superman now has to contend with in contemporary times. Yeah, the Lex thing was mostly silly, but it worked for me on a symbolic level, if not practical. Lex was a part of his past (which includes the Donner films) that he has to move on from. Besides, all those issues have been acknowledged by the announcement that they will focus on a badass villain for the next movie. I don't necessarily want Lois out of the film, but I'm hoping the Superman story can move beyond that juvenile sexual tension and she can be a strong ally, and not a potential love interest.
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the ban-hammer came down hard on the freefingers
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What kind of a film spends 3/4 of its time with Supes stalking former girlfriends and their kids? What kind of a film consists of a climax featuring Superman getting his asre kicked and a hospital visit? What kind of a film features an action scene such as Superman lifting a grey chunk of rock to the sun? The only good thing about the flick was the 747 sequence and Brandon Routh casting, as well as the reuse of john Williams - i loved the credits but please next time Bryan ditch the THIRD ROCK FROM THE SUN kinetic planets zooming by during the short credits and let the credits take their T I M E so we can enjoy the Williams score a bit more.
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I did not see the bit about the password. Sorry, I meant no offense and felt sure that it was some sort of prank. This type of thing has happened before...usually with catastrophic results for the TBer in question.
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...he's gone.
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Has the dust settled yet?
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We won't be seeing anyone named "freefinger" on AICN anytime soon... Now lets see if anchorite is correct about the identity of the freefingers. If he is who anchorite suggests, he should emerge, much like Clark Kent popping back into teh Daily Planet after Superman saves the day. Lets watch closely...
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I have seen the bond films multiple time and who hasnt. When it was announced that they were going back to the Casino Royale book to make the film properly. thought great. They are going to make the first bond the way in should have be made dark, menacing and sexy. but, god help me I am starting to worry. Why. well think of it like this. If the new bond really works, and it is a huge success, what is to stop the bond makers going "ok time for an over haul" and they the makers go back to the books and remake bond that way. Not possible you say. The brocolli family owns the bond franchise. if the remade Casino royale, there will be nothing to stop them doing this. I hear that they are going to continue the new bond story in two more films. it is a good idea. I was going to start off my Superman Returns post by saying that there are people on this site who hated both x-3 and Superman because they have agenda. a homophic and anto-semtic. Superman in the past fitted the time for the. Amrica was in patriotic mood so therefore superman was patriotic. I am suprised at how pop-idolish this site has become. If the movie studios embrace the pop idol way of doing things , then hollywood will really be fucked. Maybe its happened already, damn you simon cowell. Bastard. If Brian Singer is reading this I will say that he should go ahead with SR 2 and fuck ainc talkbackers.
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"SR wasn't a perfect film, but it stayed true to the character and was a great start. Can't wait for the more action packed flick!" Who the hell wrote that article? Superman is NOTHING like that person in SR and it was a terrible start. Kate Bosworth is the absolute worse Lois Lane ever. The only redeeming quality about the movie was that Brandon Routh looked and sounded totally believable as Superman (though his Clark Kent could use a little work).
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I do believe the next will be great because Singer is competent and cares about the fans. However, if the budget is smaller and the action greater, wtf did they spend their money on this time?
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There are two type of Superman Fans. those who like the idea of the old superman and those who like the idea of a modern superman. in short it is the old modernisers vs traditionalists thing.
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in the first 5 minutes. That would definitely heighten my interest in seeing it.
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Finally over! I was wonderign what they were about to do. Banning me was harsh, but deserved for sending out the freaking password... I am sorry guys, won't happen again... Thanks to Rick and MNG... anchorite, I don't know if you were right but if they can look it up I hope they ban his ass too... I had to re-do the accounts thing all over.. gezzus!
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That was actually kind of funny. AICN hasn't had something memorable happen in quite awhile. (And try not to speak of "him". He doesn't deserve the attention.) Cheers.
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One thin i do wish I had done was keep a copy of the posts.. sorry but I still found most of them entertaining... Anyway, I still think that Singer was way off the characters, did keep the essence at all, he thaught people would love his version and applause his take on the man of steel, but he failed miserably. WB should start looking at other writers and a new director. Hell Kevin Smith would probably be one of the good ones to get because of his love for story and the comics, look at what he did for a couple of francise in the past few years, he would just need to write the script without being flanked by Barbara Streisand's hairdresser turned movie producer... Let him work on what he thinks could be a good movie, and even bring in some actual writers from DC... help out with the continuity of everything that happend in the past few years...
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They frakkin stole *jokes* from the first movie...how bad is that? I remember reading a Richard Donner interview about his visit to the set, and he was surprised the writing team was in a trailer watching his film! Do us a favor and dump those clods ASAP.
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Thanks!
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Um, Newt didn't die in Aliens. I'm thinking this second film will have the kid disappear into the Phantom Zone, thought to be dead. That will end the movie will Supes entering the Phantom Zone in search of his son. So technically, he'll be presumed dead by everyone. Except Superman will have an idea of sorts that says he may be alive but in that dimension. Then the third flick will have a slightly older kid (a.k.a. Spock in ST III) who will be brought back by Supes, and will have memory loss. I think whoever said it above was right. The kid factor gives Superman some depth... something to lose in future films. And not just the average damsel in distress like every other superhero flick. Anyone else sick of Mary Jane in Spider-Man?
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As an avid Superman Returns fan, I must say that it WOULD benefit the sequel by having new writers. The script was 50/50. Great ideas, but sometimes poorly executed.
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The news any TRUE Superman fan was dreading. "Hey Brian, you fucked Superman up good the first time around, here's more money so you can do it AGAIN!". What I think is comical, is the few, and I mean FEW, people who defend this turd here want to believe they are somehow more "enlightened" than everyone else. Since they have the ability to ignore the giant flaws in this film (like Superman ignores Kryptonite in said film) they are "open to a modern Superman". Sorry, but I don't want a "modern" Superman who pines, pouts, and peeps. Oh yeah, and lifts. Can't forget that.
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In banning the name "freefinger", it looks like they deleted some other TBers posts, too. ;)
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I'm so glad I thought of saving the page before all that Freefinger stuff was removed. Funniest talkback ever and I know that is a bold statement. This talkback was better than Superman Returns. I feel bad for all you TBers who missed it...
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I am not rabid about any particular franchise or film in general, I just enjoy the entertainment. It says something then when I come out of a cinema totally fuming about what I have just seen and that was the case with SR.
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everybody is trying to copy the spiderman thing half chick flick and half other. I thought spiderman 2 was really lacking in superhero stuff . people who liked the chick flick part loved the movie for me it was a watch once movie.
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Did you at anytime, sign-in using freefinger's password?
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The first one didn't live up to its potential, but I think most of the backlash was because of the bloated budget - people heard it cost $260M and they expected a cinematic orgasm. If they can make it for $140 (which I think is totally doable) or even 170, they could make as much or more next time around for a tidy profit. And as for sequels costing more, just look at the Harry Potter movies which cost (in order) 125/100/130/150. Did the second look cheap compared to the first? I don't think so. And the third and fourth have some pretty damn impressive visuals for the price, I don't see why they can't do the same with Supes.
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the combined total budget for SR was i have heard(courtesy of Channel 4 doc called the Curse of Superman) 600 million. 200 million went into the film, while 400 went towards ad, merchandise etc.
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Even though everyone at AISN blew there load all over it, they just can't get over the fact that "regular people" didn't like it. And they are even more shocked that "regular people" liked X3. They can go ahead and make another Superman, but who's gonna see it? Who in 2009 is gonna care? But I'm pretty sure they'll need a better excuse next time around besides marketing.
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Was anyone else watching the same movie I was? I understand that everyone has their own opinion, but SR sucked. They basically threw out the years of fine Superman work done on Justice League and Superman TAS and made a 2 hour and 30 min snoozer that had about 10 min of actual "good" action. Name one scene, other then the wonderful Plane scene and the "Superman gets the crap beat out of him" scene that was good? And now they gonna give this fool less money and we think we gonna see a Superman movie that rocks?
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I might have logged on as Freefinger a few times. That might have happened. It was worth it.
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Everyone at AICN that is except for Moriarty.
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Problem with Superman was this: 250 million budget, 3 hours of soap opera; two action scenes: one excellent (747), one dull (lifting rock to the sun - thats it basically, unless you want to count kitty kelley driving maniacally or Superman catching a falling daily planet globe -- film had a muddy, dreary look to it, lex luthor was wrong, the boat set was wrong, lois lane was wrong, the 'son of superman' scenario wrong, the threat to earth (luthor building kryptonite islands) was wrong, etc etc -dull fiom overall, certainly is not the kind of film one wouldm want to see again.
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I was thinking that maybe those who logged in as freefinger, may have lost their recent posts under their normal handles. It certainly seems to have happened to ol' BSB.
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Then I'd be missing some posts too and I'm not. Maybe that BSB jackass just stopped posting once the freefinger handle went dead.
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"Newt didn't die in Aliens". Yeah and neither did Ripley, Abe Vigoda or the Purple Spaghetti Monster, what's your fucking point?
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and make it a two parter with the first movie being the death with a kickass fight for over an hour and the second movie being the after- math and re-brith as in the book. I know.... I am dreaming.... But maybe..
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Golly, who would've thought yet another Superman Returns discussion wouldn't be interesting? I'm off--enjoy the weekend folks. Henderson out.
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...about what went wrong and needs to fixed. Honestly, the best I've read on the matter... stayed out of the thread, but had to comment on that.
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No, he definitely lost one in another TB. I actually had to point it out to him.
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His directing style is not timeless enough. He is too damn contemporary. Especially in his handling of domestic scenes. It feels like a tv show. I dunno...not timeless...not epic....not good.
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or however the Hell you spell it. He's perfect.
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The fact that he's just not that interesting. I mean take a look at Batman. The guy has major issues and whatnot. Basically Batman is a fantastic character study of a man who's parents were killed and he wanted revenge. With Superman however, he's from another planet and he's pretty much indestructible. Yeah the potential for great action is there but he's also limited as a character, something Batman is not. I think more people would inherently relate more to Batman as well. Going the action route for Superman is the best way to make a successful movie about Superman. Superman is all about spectacle and big action pieces, less about character development. Batman however, is a lot more personal and even though the action should be there in any Batman film, the spectacle wouldn't be as huge as a Superman film or overshadow the story. To put it this way: Superman = Big, dumb action film. Batman = Cerebral character study with lots of action but not the complete focus of the movie.
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If someone saved it and wants to pass it around that'd be aweosme. Superman Returns was pretty mediocre. I also thought it was funny that there's a scene where Superman is flying by, and two guys are holding each other as they watch him. Very subtle Bryan, very subtle.
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Besides Phantom Menace. It's the biggest dissapointment I've had for a long time. No action. Daytime soap opera plot. Wasted money. Bryan Singer should have known better.
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I was heavily disappointed by SUperman Returns... nor so much because of what was shown, but because of what wasn't and should've been... MORE ACTION!!! Plus, the kid arc is kinda dumb, seems out of character for Supes and Lois... Anyway is Superman 2 would lose lots of the chic flic elements and replace with some more action and an actual super supervillian, then I'm all for it! SUperman Returns was just okay... but it should have been SUPER!!!
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Whoever is hoping for THAT is dreaming. See, Singer and his "Wonder Twins" would have to crack open a *gasp* COMIC BOOK to know who he is. And you and me both know THAT ain't never happenin'. He's probably going to try to fool everyone by naming the villian in Superman Returning from Returns: "General Non", and make it a woman with a beard who grunts. But he ain't remaking Superman II!!
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I hear what you're saying, but when I look at the Phantom Menace through the same prism your logic doesn't hold up. Consider that it too rebooted a proven franchise many years later for a new generation. Granted, it made serious bank, but few would agree that Jake Lloyd was a boon to the prequels. Furthremore, how can you debate that this franchise needed to find a way to distinguish itself from other incarnations when Singer pantomimed Donner beyond overindulgence? I firmly believe Superman Returns would have fared way better than $200mil had it been created by a completely different team, lost the kid, and stuck to the source material.
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I can't see it happening at all. The guy's movies are too claustrophobic and small scale. This is prolly why folks were blown away by the place sequence -- it's a fresh and unusual thing coming from Singer. If he does bring these villains to the screen, I suspect it will turn out like a Green Hornet movie directed by Kevin Smith. My bet is he brings Zod back or does Brainiac. If he does Zod, he gets to imitate Donner a second time. Another easy payday. If he does Brainiac, I bet he changes him beyond recognition as he has proven to do with every other comic property he has brought to the screen. To ensure Supes remains pacifist, he'll likely make Brainiac a computer virus that cannot possibly be punched.
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Want to know 1 minor change that would probably have helped change at least a few minds about this film? The scene where "Superman" gets his ass kicked by Lex's goons. Have Superman get beaten, BUT have him get up. Bruised, bloodied, and PISSED. He starts fighting back until Lex comes up from behind and shanks him with the Kryptonite. Same effect, but it at least shows he has a heroes will, instead of getting tossed around like a little bitch squealing "I'm still Superman".
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In fact, it's one area where Singer *didn't* mimic Donner. Recall the diner scene in Supes II where he stands up to the trucker. Granted, that was billed as Lester's film, but Donner was still heavily involved. At any rate, if this film was intended to take place after Supes II, it's still canon, and thus, should have stood up for himself as he previously did when de-powered. It serves as yet another example of how Singer treats his adaptations like a salad bar -- he takes what he wants and leaves the rest.
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damn you mcmlxxvi
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Hey a guy can dream
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ankles before zod!
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Oct 27, 2006 6:08:17 PM CDT
It's daily #s stronger than others at this late stage
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Seeing it passed 200 mil I also noticed it's daily and weekly numbers very strong for this late stage(out for 115 days or so, when compared to how other hero flicks performed at the same point. Indicates there quite a few people who hadn't seen the film but were not necessarily in a hurry . That was borne out y remarks I overheard middle west family members making during a couple recent visits to the flyover states;. They'd heard it was "good" (one even said "heard it was awsome") but several months down the line they still hadn't gotten around to it. While I would not agree the film was "awesome," I thought it was competent, even decent, but regrettably just too much like the 1970s film. It shows that Supes has a different, more mainstream fan base than the average leotard hero. They'll come, but at their own chosen speed.
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That's the only thing bringing people into the $1 theaters now. Stop focusing on that little detail, when the big picture tells the story. People just didn't like Supermetro Peeps.
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All that scene demonstrated is the fact that Singer thinks Superman is ONLY "super" if he has his powers. Your average Joe Nobody would have at least thrown a punch or two out of sheer desperation. Our "hero" just squealed like the proverbial pig.
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Here's the problem with Superman: Watching him duke it out with physically strong bad guys is never exciting because we already know that there's no punch he can't take, no swat he won't get back up from, and object he can't eventually move. Thus, Lex has always been the best villian because he comes at Supes with his genius brain rather than with sheer physical might. Lex also personifies the strongest kind of humanity, super-smart, and rich and powerful beyond any of our wildest dreams (i.e. Superman vs. a super man)... But this battle has been played so many times, from so many angles, with so many spins, that there's no new ground to cover to cover in the Supes/Lex relationship/rivalry (especially after Smallville so brilliantly reinvented whole mythos). This leaves Supes as the worst kind of superhero there is, one who's just too powerful to be interesting. I think Donner's original pretty much had the last word on the "classic" Superman mythos and that the only way to keep the character interesting will be to reinvent him over and over again (e.g. Smallville, Red Sun, etc). Just one man's opinion.
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How can it "not be exciting" if we haven't seen it happen in 19 years? With todays technology, a fight between two "supers" would be something EVERYONE would love to see. In fact, I believe people are WAITING for that to happen. It has yet to be done in a major motion picture, at least done right.....
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What do you mean "AICN hasn't had something memorable happen in quite awhile"?Me and ZombieSolutions debate on southern stereotypes in the season premiere talkback for SNL inspired the opening monologue for the next show!Things are happening, my friend, things are happening.
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WOULD do a Superman film. Or would HAVE anyway. He almost made Superman The Movie, but chose to do Jaws instead. Hell, even as a Producer he would improve a sequel to this snooze-fest.
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He WILL do Cap though. *crosses fingers*
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She was miserable.
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They need to recast Bosworth with Anne Hathaway.
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Parker Posey would have fit the Lois Lane role much better than Kate Bosworth did. If this were a restart of the franchise, Bosworth would have been fine. But Singer went to great lengths to IMPRINT it in our heads that Superman Returns is a "sequel" to the Donner films, which makes sense with the casting of Routh to Reeve and Spacey to Hackman, but not with Bosworth to Kidder. Parker Posey would have fit the continuity of the Margot Kidder Lois Lane in my opinion, and even Parker Posey is better looking than Kidder, so it wouldn't have been that big a loss. Bosworth is beautiful, but just didn't fit the role at all.
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...he's a fecal-encrusted douchebag.
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Have you even read this piece of garbage. It's anybody but Superman should be the title. Let's see Pa Kent is and atheist , Lois Lane is a cheap and sleeps around, Lex Luthor is an Alderman and Clark Kent is a goofy kid with no direction. He certainly wasn't the Big Blue Boy Scout we admire. He sleeps around and get's his costume from one of his love interest who made it for a movie about SaturnMan. This was by far the worse novel I've read in a long time. It was incoherent and totally illogical even in an imaginary world. Let's see a robot box kicks his butt and then he comes back and squeezes it in to a ball to throw at Luthor. Seems to me that if something knocks you out and bloodies you up you're not going to be able to roll it up in a ball like tin foil. It's amazing how some people can believe this kind of crap is brilliant.
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WTF do you people want? A fucking pirate movie that leaves you wondering " What the hell did he say? " kind of shit? SR had character development and soul. All you care about is pointless action. Don't get me wrong, action scenes are good, but this movie needed to establish Superman the man to these Generation X-men geeks. X-men 3 sucked balls anyway. Marvel people will always try to find a way to diss Supes. They are like a big fucking pimple on the big brother's ass.
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That's the big problem with Superman Returns- The whole mess was put together by a clique of way-too-empowered quasi-literate punk kids who thought their limited life experience was enough to inform this story. You're going to make a movie about Superman then get a *man* to write it. I'm sure there are any number of top drawer industry veterans who'd be grateful for the work.
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I've seen it four times. It is incredible! It's a superhero movie with a soul. Giving Superman a kid was a perfect addition to the Donner canon. It addressed many of the issues that were touched upon in the Reeve films. It's not a perfect film...but so what? The sequel will no doubt have all the violence & comedy you underage comic books kids love.
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a superhero film, let alone a well known superhero. Transformers is FUCKED as it is.
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Do you all have any idea of the history of the character. He is the single biggest threat to Superman, period. I hope you are speaking, specifically, about the neutered Movie Lex Luthor. Check out the comics or the Justice Leage TV series for a true take on the character.
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F or what reason is transformers fucked? R eally, there have been obvious changes from g1, but you really shouldnt expect it to be exactly the same. E veryone is always freaking out at every change he makes. E ven changes that seem needed, people freak out about. F or a lot of people, transformers is a very important childhood memory to them, i know, but that doesnt mean that it is perfect. I ts been a few years since g1. N ow, to become a modern movie, transformers needs to be tweaked with to become acceptable in the modern world. G od, everyone knows that some of the things he does seem retarded, and sometimes i agree. E ven so, overall i dont think the movie is as fucked as everyone makes it out to be. R eally, it isnt as bad as everyone would make it seem. S o until we've actually seen the movie, lets try not to already deem it a failure, please.
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Yeah miss my first Id name.. damn me for posting my own freaking password! If anyone saved the post somewhere please add it to a link so I can save the whole thing, it was one of the best post ever and I miss my Freefinger clones... Anyway I was sure that Rick did post with my id! You done bad! Mouahahahahah!!!.... Anyway back to Supes, I don't think people who saw the movie would've hated it so much if it was another hero movie that they would've created and based him on Superman. The movie was not horrible if we look at it in a non-Superman way. But as soon as I heard the theme, I knew it was a Superman movie, then the movie started... and I got very disapointed... note: the worst movie ever for me was sitting thru the whole A.I. Spielberg movie now that was the worst piece of crap ever to have been shot on film, talk about a story that goes absolutely nowhere... Supes had one good thing the whole way thru, the effects. Without the 80% great effects this would've been an even worse talkback for the Singer fans... I don,t hate the guy, he knows what he's doing behind that lense, but he just doesn't know what he's supposed to do with the legends that have been created over the span of 50 years. Get new writers, and a new director because 2009 is coming and if Singer's name is attached to it, they will lose a big part of the audience right from the start. Get him to direct a non-superhero movie. He changed the X-Men for the first movie which can be partly accepted because of the number of mutants in this history, but Superman, he's one big character out of 4 major characters (Supes/Clark; Lois; Jimmy; and Perry) How can you fu** him up so much? I will never understand his decisions... Or the WB backing him... Funny thing, I went to the Toy's R Us store the other day for my nephews birthday and I saw that the majority of the Superman merch was marked down with big 50% sales, and overheard one kid tell his dad that he didn't want "that" Superman 'cause he didn't even wear the right costume 'cause he looked like a bad guy and he sucked, he took a Superman animated figure and walked away.. How can a 9 year old Pass up on a big Superman action toy that is reallllly expensive to choose the near 4 inches 7$ action figure? Guess the costume thing affected more than us the average movie goers, it also affected the way kids saw him, the whole looks like a bad guy thing really tells it all. Superman's bright costume does make him look like a hero, remeber the Bad Superman in the first movies... That what Singer did with this one.. He recreated the bad looking Superman.
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in the subject box several times. But posting it in the the comment section?How'd you manage to do that?
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I'm not saying it's true, cause Jaime Pressly might have felt the same way I did about SNL's portrayal of southerners, but it was awful coincidental given the previous weeks talkback.As far as a YouTube clip, it's not on there, because a.NBC usually makes them pull 'em, and b.monologues aren't very popular.It's not even featured on the SNL site, just a description of it.But I'll look around, I'd like to see it again myself.
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It boggles the imagination as to how the studios can so terribly screw up eagerly awaited movies. People LINING up to see these films, and being given 2 hours of boredom in return.
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Nope his post looked like this...Name:***** Password:***** (then his post)
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I believe if you look up Bill Hader's Peter O'Toole impression on YouTube, you'll see a little bit of Jaime Presley's Southerner monologue.
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You "got off" on BSB? I know he's gay and all but you didn't have to do that. How did you even get him off of zfisk's face?
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Can we see SUPERMAN PUNCH SOMEONE OR SOMETHING THIS TIME??? INSTEAD OF FUCKING LIFTING SHIT AND BEING ALL LOIS LANE LOVEY DOVEY????.... just imagine how fucking 'ACTION PACKED' the sequal could be if they just had superman punch someone one fucking time and send him flying through several skyscrapers... like when he fights captain marvel in the cartoon now that was a wicked fucking fight but not as dumb and fucking made up as nuclear man... PLEASE DONT MAKE UP FUCKING VILLAINS FOR THIS NEXT ONE... you have a fucking array of wicked villains including brainiac, doomsday, and darksied who are among the best.
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and kill off superman's kid in the next one in the first 20 minutes or so so we dont have to put up with that shit. Further, give the villain a decent fucking motive, and plan... not some jutting rock vacation paradise bullshit. doomsday himself is enough motivation to kill superman for the experiments he was subjected to on krypton.... give superman some real distress, not some bs flubbering over lois lane being with another man white trash dead beat daddy bullshit. AND LETS SEE SOME FRIGGING FIGHTING!!! I want to see superman bash someone's head in, and get angry.
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and kill off superman's kid in the next one in the first 20 minutes or so so we dont have to put up with that shit. Further, give the villain a decent fucking motive, and plan... not some jutting rock vacation paradise bullshit. doomsday himself is enough motivation to kill superman for the experiments he was subjected to on krypton.... give superman some real distress, not some bs flubbering over lois lane being with another man white trash dead beat daddy bullshit. AND LETS SEE SOME FRIGGING FIGHTING!!! I want to see superman bash someone's head in, and get angry.
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nough said.
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300 million dollar budget. Kevin Smith script. Brightly lit film. Ditch evil Superman III costume. Keep Routh. Replace Ms. Bosworth with say, a Rachel McAdams. Get London Symphony and opening/closing credit sequences befitting a Superman movie. Also, no fiancee, no kid. Lois and Clark must be ultimately together.....
Oh, and did I mention brightly lighting the film?! See, that's why Cameron is the man. In his films, even scenes at the bottom of the ocean are clear. In Singer's Supes movie, the Fortress of Solitude was darker than the batcave........ Even when Supes "recharged" in front of the sun, the celestial body appeared as if wrapped in dark gauze.
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Any episode of Justice League or JL Unlimited is better than Superman Returns! At least JL draws it's source materal from the comics and it's not some made up soap opera bullshit. Come to think of it, the Spiderman movies gets it's material from the comics, maybe that's why they do so well at the box office. I felt like Superman Returns was a movie that was made just for Brian Singer and no one else. As if he didn't really consider what the fans wanted in the same way that Sam Raimi does.
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"Superman: The Movie" has a worldwide adjusted gross nearly equal of the first Spidey flick. It was based in large part on the DC Comics. The Zod storyline in the sequel had a larger box office dropoff than Spidey II. "The Death of Supes" storyline is from the comics. In the hands of Cameron, the box office would rival a Star Wars prequel.
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OK this is how stupid I was... I did not know how to change my password since I didn't post that often, so I had it in a word document, so being very bright, I started writting my comment on the same document (why? hell even I don't know) When it came time to post I did a "Select all & copy", then pasted the damn thing in the comments box... When I clicked the "post Comment" I realized that this was about to get out of hand... And there you have it... I admit to having my brain completely ripped out of my head for thos few minutes... But heck, at least now I know how to change passwords! I guess it was a lesson for all of us :P ---- I really do hope they bring a new team and do a new origin story and start from scratch, just like they're doing with the Hulk, at least Marvel admitted to the fact that their movie was so bad and so far away from the actual story that it needed a new director and reshoot the whole thing(and they didn't even go as far has to have hulkbabies or get him to start going all peeping tom on us). WB should look at Marvel's actions and do the same...
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call me dumb and say it was over my head...but it was boring and nothing really happened for 2 hours...the "drama" and acting was no better than a WB made for tv movie...superman was weak but maybe they'll improve with the sequel
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why are so many surprised how much this movie stunk....leave it to a director that only liked the first 2 original superman movies to make a movie like this..it was all like a christopher reeve tribute..seemed like alot of the dialogue was tryin to recapture reeves-hackman-esque dialogue, and u cant get that from whatever his name is(soon to be forgotten, btw) and kevin spacey...in fact spacey is lucky this movie doesnt tank a brilliant career and excellent choices in roles that fit HIM....to me he looked like luthor if he had AIDS or something...not very imposing, not very villanous...to me the supermans son plotline was the ONLY interesting or original thing..but of course anything that expands beyond the thin comic book line infuriates the fanboys...."what !!!" "superman has no son, theyre raping my childhood"....
Warner bros should save their money or get a different director for the next movie, or it shouldnt be made..when u get a narcissist like singer, what did anyone expect...should have just let kevin smith do the movie, at least he LOOKS like someone that actually reads comics and isnt just a FAN of them...and yes there is a difference.....superman would have been better without the "RETURNS" part....just call it "superman" thats it.....recast clark kent with the guy from smallville, take their lois and lex and run with it in full length feature films....the guy on smallville totally nails clark kent...true the TV show is a renivention of superman to a certain degree...but i think tom wellings clark is a good rendition and if he dont look like a young christopher reeve , i dont know who does..maybe routh is singers gay lover or illegitimate son or something -
Cut it out. Smallville sucks! In fact, Superman Returns was nothing more than Smallville with a bigger budget.
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Yeah, the next movie will probaby sell some more toys and some superman underewear just like the last one did, but besides that, no one but little kids will really care.
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Smallville was kind starting to get dull and repetitive, until they decided to bring Green Arrow into the mix. Perhaps it would be a wise choice to bring another Justice Leaguer into the fim franchise, even if its just a cameo or small role....perhaps Martian Manhunter!
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I supposed you are just waiting for the next action beat. What's inbetween is just arbitrary. You could case less that a director would actually try to properly define the characters in his film. You could care less if the characters deal with real struggles. But without it, it's like watching a videogame, it's not exciting, it's a bunch of boring cgi. Singer's Superman wasn't boring, it was mature. Grow up.
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I agree Bring on one of the justice leaguers...preferably green lantern, flash, or martian manhunter (cant do batman, aquaman is too lame, wonderwoman is too big and needs her own film, hawkgirl is lame,zatanna lame, green arrow is lame etc)Unfortunately it didn't work with Batman bringing on Robin but that was cause of shumaccer. If they treat Superman with a lot of respect and dont allow him to be out acted or play second string to another justice leaguer then it could somehow work. Or maybe even PIT SUPERMAN AGAINST A JUSTICE LEAGUER NOW THAT WOULD BE FUCKING COOL. have like superman against green lantern, or flash and then have them team up against a baddie. a justice leaguer with good character development along with an excellent villian (like brainiac, doomsday, or darkseid) could be the thing to save this franchise... but it could get cluttered unfortunatey like when they tried to fit fucking bane the scariest and who i thought was one of the coolest batman baddies in with poison ivy, freeze, batgirl and robin...... THAT PISSED ME OFF... BANE DESERVES HIS OWN FUCKING BATMAN MOVIE TO TAKE ON BATMAN... and they made him such a god damn idiot! YOU SUCK SHUMACCER!! YOU SUCK!!... maybe even get superman to take on a batman villian with juiced up powers...that would be cool too. like firefly, or clayface
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I'm using a alternate handle!I do have one, but only have posted twice with it, and it was nothing of importance. And due to certain circumstances, I'll most likely never use it again.Tip: If you see a questionable post, and think it's me, know this, any alternate handle I may ever use will be a anagram or slightly changed anagram of this one.But you don't have to worry about that, because as proven in the past, I don't mind if I embarrass myself, or take it upon myself to helm a one man campaign in a talkback. I don't need imaginary backup like some people.I did partake in the Freefinger hijack though, but I made it quite obvious as to which one was my post. And I gave him a tip as to possibly fix the problem. No harm there.You guys need to realize that I'm not the only fan of Smallville on this site, as the talkback for the season six premiere proved. So quit thinking I am.MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER!!! 4 LIFE
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I probably wouldn't pay to see another Singer version of Superman. I don't get why you all praise the guy; He has his moments, but he doesn't seem to understand that superhero movies need to be FUN and full of action. Superman Returns was a downer. Superman was a creepy stalker ex-boyfriend. Lois was a selfish prat who needed a cheeseburger and a shot of caffeine. Lex was just a goofy real estate freak. The whole movie was a bad love letter to Donner's Superman... And it was done without 1/4 the inspiration or feeling for the character that Donner had. [p]
Like I want to watch another two hours of Superman lifting things, Lois kvetching, and Superman doting on his brat (or rescuing him from the next villain who will surely use the kid as Superman's new achilles heel.) Screw that! I'll put my money into Marvel's new series of films. Now that they're in control, I can't wait to see what they do with Iron Man, Silver Surfer, The Hulk, and others. -
Because some of you idjits would come up with one. :PAltenate? I don' need no stinkin' alternate.
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It's really funny that that anyone would think that fans care one whit that too much was spent on Special Effects. That's something that only studios care about. We only want a good story and to make sure that every special effect looks as good as it can and blows us away. What this Superman lacked, more than anything was a strong, coherent story that actually made sense and didn't offend the sensibilities...
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A period movie with WW2 Superheroes would be just too excellent for words...
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I am. I liked "Hulk" for it's style, story and acting was horrible. "Daredevil" was actually a fun movie. That said, I liked "Superman Returns" and I get all the complaints. No action, the plot was thin, the kid was bad, blah, blah, blah. It was still enjoyable. The best improvement is they got rid of all the campiness from the originals. That's a plus, they played it straight and real, that too is a plus. Over all I think it is on par with "Spider-man." Which was another movie I liked but had far more flaws than "Superman Returns." "Superman Returns" was more drawn out and slow, while "Spider-man" was just playing tug of war with itself. Spidey wanted to be a drama and an action movie, and everytime I enjoyed the action in it I was sucked into a boring dramatic moment. At least "Superman Returns" had me interested in the drmatic moments.
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Do it seriously, and tackle the action as crazily as Advent Children did! Now, someone go out there and make me my 'Kingdom Come' movie!
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so give the fans what they want and throw him into superman and see how the fans react.
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Just to let you know, BringingSexyBack has never layed a smackdown in his life. Again, his powers of deceit & deflection are defiling these boards. It is my advice to you that you avoid that particular "TB Grenade Throwing Troll"; it will do you no good being cordial with him. Just watch his behavior and, over time, you will see what I mean. Sorry about the whole password goof. But welcome back, soldier.
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directed by Brett Ratner.
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Wow. It's starting to look like BringingSexyBAck has no friends. I think someone needs a hug...
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...keep trolling. I'm sure you'll find someone as lonesome and as miserable as yourself. Think of it as your AICN soulmate...
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There was absolutely NO smackdown delivered by you = only a successful exposure of the ass you truly are when someone else hounds you for a change. And I'll quote you however appropriately I want. Or would you rather I pull a couple of your quotes from the previous said TB that will fully justify my doing so? Now, unless you really want to call off our little "cease-fire", I suggest you quit plugging up the bandwidth with your dribble.
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Hi Brian. I heard that you mentioned that Superman Returns was about charachter development. Excuse Me!. Isn't that what one and two were about. Is that why you had basically no action?
With all the garbage that's happening in the world right now. We needed a heroic Superman movie.
I cried after I watched Superman II recently. I was thinking the world so needs a hero now even if it's make believe. Your movie needed to deliver that and didn't.
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The 3D experience was probably the most fun you could have at a theatre. When was this film such a downer? There were fun moments, but you act like it was a total downer. I agree that big budget action film need a certain amount of light comic relief and mind blowing special effects to keep you having fun but they can also have serious arcs too.
This film had those moments. Spacey's Lex was fun to watch. The rescue sequences were exciting to watch. Seeing Superman use his powers in new ways was so cool. The light comic relief moments involving Clark Kent and Jimmy Olsen or Lex and Kitty provide needed comic relief. It had all the things I would expect from a Superman film and more. -
The plane sequence, the bank robbery sequence, the ship sinking sequence, the earthquake sequence,and finally the krytonite island sequences, all of these were action, action, and more action. Yes, Superman I and II developed it's characters, that doesn't mean a sequel can't build on those two movies. This isn't X3 where they just replace all the character development with more action.
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lol i noticed thats the only thing u disagreed with..
smallville does not suck, from a reinvention standpoint, its wonderful..if superman returns was a reinvention from after superman 2, then it sucks...and one major flaw in superman returns that no one catches or notices is the fact that clark kent has glasses when hes a kid in smallville jumping around....now anyone that knows any superman lore, the glasses are clark kents(low budget)disguise when he goes to metropolis...now if it was any other director, the fanboys would be screaming for bryan singers blood...do one super hero movie decent (x-men) , free pass if u frak up the next one (superman)....if this was a michael bay movie, u hippocrits would be covering ur anus's right now, raping my childhood and such -
michael bay should direct the next superman movie
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BSB do you think that will let me come back has Freefinger??? MY GOD I WILL TRY... MNG & BSB I don't know what the hell happened between you two but it does sound like you ain't the best of friends 'round here... I just don't try to get in the middle of these things... I just post my dumbass passwords on the freakin posts... Ps. anyone who used my freefinger account, I don't really have a grudge for crying out loud... I posted the damn thing out for everyone to mess with it out of pure dumbass brains... hell I got a confession... I even used it to post has Freefinger clone 54... Mouahahahahahahahaha!!!! You you can't beat them... Join them! I cloned myself!!!
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For some reason, Singer gets a pass with the fanboys. He screwed up adapting the source material for each and every one of the X-Men and their villains. Were his X movies good? Yeah, they were decent. They weren't the X-Men, though. I'll go into all the reasons why for the 42nd time if I really have to, but will spare the details here for sake of brevity. With Superman Returns, Singer continues his insistance on warping the source material beyond recognition. Now, was it a decent movie? Yeah, like X1/X2 it was okay. Was it a good sequel? Yeah, it was a picture perfect continuation that Donner set in motion. But were Donner's movies faithful? Absolutely not. Hell, for that matter, Was X-Men 3 a good sequel? Yeah, it was a picture perfect continuation that Singer set in motion. But were Singer's movies faithful? Absolutely not. Notice the pattern here? But screw all that. Folks here at AICN are predisposition to love SInger and hate anything non Star Wars by Fox (Ratner by extension). Take a look at Fantastic Four. Chris Evans's Johnny Storm was the MOST FAITHFULLY ADAPTED comic superhero to date. But all that is out the window because 1) FF is a non Star Wars Fox movie, 2) Tim Story made a bad Taxi movie, and 3) it had a reimagined Bryan Singeresque take on Doom's Origin. That everything is now in motion for Doom to be the comic Doom we all recognize is inconsequential to this lot. Tray and say the same for any of Singer's X-Men.
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and Zionists. I didn't see that coming. Dude, that record is so broken. You really need to check that obsession sometime.
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No matter what is reality, we won't get a 4th world/superman movie, ever. Studio execs are way, way too stupid to 'get' comic books and how they should be translated.
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..but how about making Superman the F*uckin hero in the next one? You know, like they've dine for nearly 70 friggin years.........oh no Singer & his brains trust knew better..
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Totally agree man... I feel that the hero of this miserable movie was Richard White... He didn't became a dead beat dad once Supes came back and Lois went from wife/mother to new whore to come out of the big fucking mansion next to the river, which is prime real-estate value (How much are Reporters and Pilots paid for christ sake?? Do they own the Daily Planet or work there??), then he goes all out to save Lois and the kid with his half safe little plane, then Lois convinces him to go back in the shittiest weather ever, placing her son in danger twice in one day (real fu**ing maternal like...), then he drives her to the hospital to visit the one man he can lose her too without hesitation again because he's thinking "This woman is placing the child in so many freaking dangerous situation I might as well bring them to the hospital 'cause the kid is eventually going to end up there...")... I mean come on, who's the fu**ing hero after this movie is over.. I vote Richard White...
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Oct 28, 2006 10:40:40 PM CDT
New bigger \S/ suit, new Lois, New Villain & NO kid
by regicidal_maniac
THEN and only then will we have a new Superman movie.
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It would not be an "arsenal of fake quotes", it would be an array of YOUR OWN quotes used against yourself. ("Or would you rather I pull a couple of your quotes from the previous said TB that will fully justify my doing so?") See? Big difference. *** And for the record, I NEVER accused you of logging in as "freefinger". My initial question was directed at Yackbacker as a possible reason for other TBers' posts being deleted alongside freefinger's. (Cause you and I both know that a "crucial" post of yours got destroyed.) It was an idea/theory easily disproven when Yackbacker confirmed that he did not post as freefinger. Never did I say, "BSB logged in as freefinger because one of his posts disappeared". See? Again, big difference. Keep setting them up, BSB. I'll keep knocking them down.
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Don't worry at all about this little MNG vs BSB debacle. It's not a big deal. My apologies for even having your name(s) involved. Best of luck with your name! Cheers.
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But I was never big on Superman comics...so I guess that's why I liked it.
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But I was never big on Superman comics...so I guess that's why I liked it.
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Would be sooo cool...But Bryan Singer would'nt be able to carry it off due to his lack of ability to properly visualize and shoot a balls to the walls action scene. You would need someone like Len Wiseman or Sam Raimi. What would be really cool though, if they'd replace Singer and crew with Dwayne McDuffie/Paul Dini to Produce the sequel and unlike Singer, they'd probably would be able to do it with half of the budget that Singer is accustomed to working with...If anything, they'd be idea to pound out an exciting script that's faithful to the source material. Hell! Let them re-boot it sans the kid.
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The great oppertunity to bring Darkseid and the New Gods was lost when SR underperformed. If ever a 200 million budget was needed it would have been for a premise such as Darkseid and the other gods. We can count anything dealing with the New Gods out. WB had an oppertunity to make a great Superman flick and enough material from the comic to do it, but no Singer screws it up and the movie didn't make the money it should have.
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The great oppertunity to bring Darkseid and the New Gods was lost when SR underperformed. If ever a 200 million budget was needed it would have been for a premise such as Darkseid and the other gods. We can count anything dealing with the New Gods out. WB had an oppertunity to make a great Superman flick and enough material from the comic to do it, but no Singer screws it up and the movie didn't make the money it should have.
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and it was wasted. Look I loved SR return and I thought it was a beautifully shot film, the sets were awesome the quality was overall excellant. Sadly looking at it rationally the story was very weak, and Singer is out of his element in this genre. The only reason Supes made that 200 million was off of name alone. So many people were expecting more and Singer didn't pull it off. The guy is a good director but he just doesn't have it for comic and action films. Keep the man in drama. Superman was just to d@mn feminine for my tastes, but Routh was still good. Yeah it's good that Supes shows emotion, but him getting ready to tear up over Lois just unsettled me, as well as the peeping tom moment. I still don't buy that Singer will be back.
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Mayeb you geekoids that were so disapointed with Superman Returns would rather that it had been made by Michael Bay , McG or Brett Ratner, no? If any of you action-junkies nancy boys geekoids think the movie could had been made better then in the hands of Bryan Singer, i have a Brookling Bridge to sell ya. You geekoids should be counting your lucky stars that this film went to the capable hands of the talented Bryan singer, instead of the hack du jeur that it almost came to pass. Truly, you guys just can't stop spitting in the soup, don't you?
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I agree... I sent an email to Moriarty, hopefully he will let me back in as Freefinger soon!
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If anchorite is my "gimp", then that makes you my bitch. I suppose that's fair. Good hunting, sir. I'll see you around!
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Have mercy, Moriarty.
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That was the whole premise of the movie. They went through showing all that rubbish just so they can show him throwing a rock into outer space in the end. Ooooh... Superman just threw away a piece of rock, how super is that! *Lame*. I still believed that something more exciting was going to happen after that scene because, come on, they can't really make the climax of the movie being Supes throwing that rock into outer space. Lex must have something more sinister up his sleeve. But I guess Lex just wasn't as smart & evil as I thought he was. Never did I expect that Supes' "big fight" was going to be with a piece of rock that cannot even fight back.
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Looks like I missed some hijacked username hilarity. I saw that happen once before a few years ago and it was hysterical - at least until the plug was pulled. That's what I get for being tardy. I suppose fruit cup is out of the question too, then?
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...I see you're still fighting the good fight, i. e. smacking brokedick around. I admire your tenacity since I find him a bit weak and tiresome after having been neutered by AICN. See, I thought amorphic troglodytes could grow their balls back after having them chopped off, but I guess I was wrong.
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I don't know what facts are you talking about?? unless you're being sarcastic? Box-office = didn't even get to beat Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets or Charlie and the Chocolate Factory for crying out loud... Were not talking about Batman or Daredevil, we,re talking about a movie that with the name alone should have grossed 200 million in half the amount of time it did. Over 100 days? That's just weak... Storyline was way out of whack.. You think that Kal El would be able to build a freaking ship to go back to Krytpon and forget about landing gear? You think that the family of the old woman would not contest the signature (Happened to Anna N Smith and the old man wasn't crazy when he got the papers done); think Kal Pen was miss used in this one, he had what ... 4 lines of text, you think a ship that size crashing into a field would not make a bigger hole than that, heck even destroy the farm (It looked like a huge ball of fire descending pretty fast!) Think Ms. Kent would not get fried being that close to a heated ship that's still on fire? Why put glasses on young Clark (Hell even Smallville aren't putting glasses on him and they're doing bad stuff all over - Just having Lex instead of another character was a not to great idea if you ask me... they should've let the Luthors out of Smallville and kept them in the media so we got some Highlights of them and leave it at that... but they're keeping glasses off Clark. Only once he had them and it was beause of his powers going nuts on him). Hell there are so many things that in this day and age should not even be done because the common man knows more about science than the two kindergarden kids who wrote the movie. I mean, at least try to write a script. Singer is trying to say that he was doing an hommage to Donner, we'll there's a difference between an hommage and copying the freaking thing to a point of boring our asses off... The whole flying with Lois for 10 minutes of the movie should've been cut out, we saw that in the first one and that was enough... The line where he's telling people that flying is the safest way.. If he's trying to pull us to the hommage thing then he needs to revisit the movies, that was Sidney J. Furie shitty masterpiece - Superman IV (Why did Supes told the paramedics to wait so he could deliver that stupid message while a guy who's in cardiac arrest his waiting behind him... I call that bad writing... )... Man do I hate this new Return moive...
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...Totally domesticated. Sad.
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You know, I loved Superman the first time I saw it. But as time went by something has really bugged me about it. A couple weeks later it hit me. Superman Returns is an absolutely Fascist movie
Think about it. The whole point of the movie was that humans, as a people, are weak. We absolutely need a god like father figure like Superman. Without Superman, Lois and family couldn't have escaped from the yacht. Without Superman, Lex Luthor would have been unstoppable. People are weak and need to have Superman, or God, or some type of authority, to protect us.
And look at how it paints Lex Luthor as a villain and parallels him to Promethius from Greek legend. Luthor was trying to steal fire from the gods. He isn't strong enough. He isn't wise enough. He should just leave matters like that to Superman. The whole point of the movie was that we, as a society, should just accept our meekness and abandon all power to our superiors.
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Quote: "may run back to the funny farm for another months-long mental hiatus". *** Gee, BSB. I wonder how you would know such detailed information...
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Looks like BringingSexyBack was even trying to pick a fight with you in Capone's "Death of a President" TB ( http://tinyurl.com/y6lqcu). Quote: "How's your nutsack feeling today? We all know fucking Ann Coulter can is hard on the nuts." *** What the HELL is that all about???
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Good to see you, sir. If you think this has been amusing, try backtracking here for some "Flame War" hilarity: http://tinyurl.com/sp2tc
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wow that name, so clever how did you ever think it up? and how was the writing shitty again? The character of Superman in the film was handled in mature manner. By mature I mean he is written as more than this unstoppable one-dimensional "hero" cartoon character. In the film he is conflicted, he bears the responsibility of saving the world, but at the same time can't truly be surrounded by people he loves. It's interesting concept if you stop and think about it. I know it must be hard for you cause you'd rather insult me and not saying anything relevant or back up whatever you say.
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Name the "sources" and I'll believe you. Otherwise, you're a liar. And your other 2 "points", aren't even worth addressing.
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Don't cry. You'll get over it.
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...I could have gone much more blue with that.
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Actually, it wasn't that you were "told" that I had taken such a break or for such a reason. Nor has said absence been discussed in any such terms by others than yourself. You actually made that erroneous assumption all on your lonesome shortly before being banned. It's merely one more quirk which links you to your previous and hotly denied username. You're still a little bitch regardless of what you call yourself these days. Correction: you're a bigger bitch today because you've toned your rhetoric down in an attempt to avoid further banning. It must infuriate and frustrate you to no end not being able to post your wacky links and linking "zionazis" to every tragedy and crime which has occurred during the past 200 years. It's actually quite amusing imagining you sitting there - much like Dr. Strangelove wrestling his pesky, salute-prone arm to the chair - biting your knuckles in sheer agony.
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There is a term for such behavior. It's called getting "zfisked".
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..."ZFisked" as brokedick would say.
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you noticed that, too? ;)
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He's the only one who ever spelled it like that. Even the comment he posted on fisky-poo's website addresses him in that manner. Loads of people have been banned and come back under different names but have never denied who they once were. Brokedick's the first one to ever puss out like that, as far as I know. Remarkably spineless, I must say.
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Nice catch on the website! It's just one in a long list of tells. Like this "anchorite & MNG" trolling campaign he's on right now. Could the guy be more of a flamer?
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more than Superman Returns. Every single episode of Superman, Justice League, and JLU captured the character of Superman better than Returns. Much of that collection is fairly light, colorful and not terribly angsty, so it can be done. I find lots of problems with the way they deal with the Superman character in SR, making him a liar, a deadbeat, and a stalker, and fairly gutless when it comes to how he just ran from Lois after planting a seed in her. He made monumentally wrong choices, and the thing that makes Superman great isn't his powers, but his sense of right and wrong that were instilled by the Kent family. You know that he would do the right thing, reguardless of the powers he did or didn't have, but that wasn't the case in the movie. If anything, the only person that had those qualities was Cyclops. The kid actor wasn't terrible, and even having a kid wasn't bad, it was the circumstances and how they reflect on the character that are just unnacceptable.Even with my dislike of Returns, I'm not opposed to them making another one. Maybe it will just be watching a movie to "see how they'll get out of the mess they made", or maybe it will be a good movie. Either way, I'll watch it once. Routh isn't bad, Singer can shoot pretty pictures. Hopefully if they're limiting the budget, Singer doesn't blow a big chunk on a scene he doesn't even bother to use. Braniac seems to be the only decent way to go with this, since Doomsday or Darkseid probably can't be done well in a single film and it would be insulting to expect the audience to accept a 2 parter out of what is essentially a second chance. They could easily tie Braniac into the last film as he may hitched a ride on Superman's rocket ship, or he may have followed Superman, or could have been unleashed by Luthor's tampering with crystals. So Superman's selfishness in abandoning Earth in the last film comes back to haunt him. The only other thing I'd be interested in seeing is a team-up with other DC characters, where Superman learns he can't always go it alone. At least you could merchandise something like that and make up some money if the movie underperforms. What were they supposed to merchandise with Returns? Play with your Superman action figure as he fights a green rock, or battles a bald man in a business suit?
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Can't wait for the Richard Donner cut of Superman II. Finally, the epic that is Superman I & II will be complete!
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Jor-El also gave his only son away to be raised by an Earth family cause he believed it was the right thing to do, you gonna call him a deadbeat too?
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Superman didn't give his son up so that he could live in better circumstances, he lost custody to the guy that bothered to stick around. Jor-El knew he was going to die and looked out for the well being of his child. Superman fucked a girl and then flew away for five years without concern for anyone but himself.
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There you have it the all great Moriarty saw the ways of my foolishness and pardonned me... I, the Great Freefinger, am back... Oh and by the way... That nut sack thing... bah! Didn't even noticed it.. so many posts couldn't get them all... And if he does go on ansd post unpleasant things... The Freefinger Clones/Users will get him back... MNG and BSB I'm just happy to get my good old Freefinger account back!!! Let's just move on and continue trashing Superman Returns... Hell I got nothing else to do right now... I just hope that the second coming of Singer will again prove that we were so pissed at this one that he going all "Wrath of Kahn" on it ain't gonna bring us back to the theatre. Hell if he opens against "Against all odds (2)- The odds are back" I'll go see that one instead... He trashed the whole Superman thing.. It started with the costume and it went right up to the rest of the story... And he even had the balls (no pun intended about the balls mentionned before) to put in the two little twerps who copied off the script in the movie (When Lex pushes the two underaged kids in the Museum...). I just think that when your biggest star in your entire DC catalog takes over 100 days to reach 200 Million, when it should have attained 300 domestically by that same amount of time, it's just a waste of film to go and repeat the task with the same guy. I guess the guy in charge of giving the Batman franchise to Schumacker is still around... Never did I see so much neons on hard hitting Gotham Gang members... I thought that movie was filmed in San Fran for christ sake - Remember Chris O'Donnell jumping out of the neon Batmobile and saying "I'M BATMAN!" that was just plain horrible...!!
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Not that there's anything wrong with that... It's just a gang with freaking neon paint on their faces... I would LOVE to see that gang in the middle of the Bronx at midnight... They would have their asses beaten so badly that even Mike Tyson would say "Hey.. that was so uncalled for...."
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Not that there's anything wrong with that... It's just a gang with freaking neon paint on their faces... I would LOVE to see that gang in the middle of the Bronx at midnight... They would have their asses beaten so badly that even Mike Tyson would say "Hey.. that was so uncalled for...."
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Welcome back, Freefinger. Well done.
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Thanks I had to let Moriarty have it too! I was in his face and everything about how they're just cutting off people and shit... Actually it translates more like me begging him to have the Account Un-Banned... Mouahahahahaha!!! I thank him for understanding... !! (Gezzz I'm still begging.. My nose must so brown right now!!)
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Brainiac, or Darksied preferably. Doomsday if they must.
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...to beat the shit out of Ratner's bullshit X-movie, so bad. But that's just not how it went down. Granted, X3 was a complete shitpile of a movie, and subtly (and not-so-subtly) dismantled everything good about the first two films. But even so, Singer failed to deliver anything better. Now, I got no problem with talky superhero movies that put character before action. 'Spider-Man 2' remains the high-water mark for the genre, in my opinion, with 'Batman Begins' earning a respectable second place. But 'SR' was boring, HUGELY PRETENTIOUS, and horribly, horribly miscast. Brandon Routh had zero charisma, and Bosworth was completely implausible as Lois Lane. Now, I'm Gay/Lesbian friendly, but let me say.... while I don't know Routh's sexual preference, I found there was absolutely no chemistry, no spark between him and Bosworth. And considering how much of SR hinged on the character-driven love story, this posed a BIG friggin' problem. I hate, hate, HATE the fact that Ratner's film outperformed Singer. Especially because the third film's box office almost completely coasted on the anticipation created by Singer's run. But no matter how much Ratner f;cked up X-Men, Singer's Superman remains a huge misstep. It was like watching the 'Superhero as Jesus' scene from S-M2 (the weakest point of an otherwise great film) played in Slo-Mo for 3 hours. Once superman got to the hospital, I was practically groaning for the thing to end. At least with Ang Lee's HULK, I was fascinated and curious up until the finale.
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I respect Superman Returns AS MUCH AS I CAN. But Singer just isn't a filmmaker I think should be bringing action superhero films to life. He should be making TV shows. Sorry, but he should. And X3 validated my oppinion of the man. And I know so many disagree, but I don't care about you, because everyone else knows I'm right! Superman Returns was a love letter to Richard Donnar, and as a result the film was so limited. I like routh as Clark Kent, but the man just isn't Superman. I know how strange that sounds. But Superman is a Big Man, Routh is somewhat scrawny. I'm hopeing he'll look different in future superman films, because he's here to stay isn't he :/
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who systematically tear apart that film yet praise the sheer and utter boring piece of shyte they called X2. I mean c'mon, that film was boring at the movies, it was boring on dvd and it was REALLY fucking boring on tv. You all know it. X3 was consistantly a top flick to enjoy. I've watched it 3 times since it's release on DVD. And I just fucking love it!! Seriously now, you love X2 so much go fuck the disk - your cocks will fit nice and snuggly in that little hole. How I've missed aintitcool and all the fuckers that come with it. And while superman Returns was an 'ok' film, it was no where near sufficent for what we all expect from a superman film. And who can really be surprised, have you seen what Singer has also made.... X2!! has anyone seen that film? what a piece of boring trash. I'm guttered that the next superman film will be handled by all the same people again. Give me an action packed X3 style superman any day - THAT'S you're doomsday film right there. Oh I know that of which I speak, (fucking X2 lovers)
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Its listed on IMDB that they're on for writing the next superman movie script... THIS IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!!! NO ONE WANTS THESE LITTLE BOYS WRITING ANYMORE SUPERMAN MOVIES!! NO ONE WANTS 10 YEAR OLDS WRITING A SCRIPT FOR A SUPERMAN MOVIE!! I DONT MIND SINGER BECAUSE HE IS A GOOD DIRECTOR.. IT WAS THE SCRIPT THAT FUCKING SUCKED IN SUPERMAN RETURNS... SOMEONE GET SOMEONE ELSE BESIDES THESE TWO DOUCHEBAGS WHO ARE BARELY OUT OF THEIR DIAPERS WRITING ANOTHER SCRIPT FOR SUPERMAN... PLEASE GOD!! PLEASE!!!!
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PLEASE SOMEONE START A PETITION TO STOP THOSE TWO 4 YEAR OLDS FROM WRITING ANYMORE TRASH FOR SUPES ON THE BIG SCREEN. GOD KNOWS HOW THEY WERE PUT IN A POSITION TO WRITE A SCRIPT FOR SUPERMAN RETURNS
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How exactly is Singerman Lifts "mature"? Isn't it "immature" boys who spy on girls they have a crush on? Who pout when they feel rejected by said "crush"? Am I the only one who realized Singerman ONLY used his X-Ray Vision to peep on Lois?? For NOTHING ELSE. Yeah, that's how superheroes are SUPPOSED to act when they are "mature", right? Oh yes, and it takes someone "mature" to just get his ass kicked while squealing like a little girl. Look at Superman II, when Clark gets sucker-punched all over that diner. He gets up, powerless and bleeding, and GOES BACK FOR MORE. Look at the look on Christopher Reeve's face again. THAT says "powers or no powers, it's on". Routh's "I'm still Superman" whine,while being dragged by his face, says "I suck".....
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Well.. I can't disagree with you on not bringing back Dumb and Dumberer on to the project, but Singer was the mastermind behind the story. He gave them the "here what I want from you kids..." I know he's good to direct and the visuals, but as far as bringing him back.. Ouf.. might hurt the movie's chance of making a profit... I say replace them all and get someone who actually knew Superman and doesn't need a research team to help them out to feel what this character is all about...
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Superman is the all powerful protector of Earth, he doesn't use xray vision and superhearing to spy on people, he watch over them like he does with Lois, to make sure it she is okay, and he never pouts and it is not immature.
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Ok, this guy just proved his age. He SPIED ON LOIS AND HER FAMILY. That is ALL he did. Was he "watching over her" when he was listening to a private, intimate conversation between two lovers? No, he was invading their privacy. And then he flew off, pouting. I half-expected his lower lip to protrude while crossing his arms when he was floating in space. That mean Lois, how dare she spurn a man who ditches her for no good reason? Doesn't she know he is the new and improved "mature" Superman?
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Oct 31, 2006 12:26:17 AM CST
RE: "And in case this Brokeback was critical of Israel"
by mr. nice gaius
HA, HA, HA, HA, HA!!!
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We need some new "Transformers" news.
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Hmmm...I don't know. I've freeze framed the trailer and I couldn't say for sure that it was Megatron stomping out the Rover. It could have been Bumblebee for all I know. But I hear what you're saying. Especially considering that Bay had to publicly say that the announcement trailer would have nothing to do with the film. So, what do I expect from Bay? Not much...except a whole lot of 'splosions!
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...that you can't even keep track of your lies anymore. You alternate between claiming to have seen brokebackcowboy thrashing everyone's ass in talkback to saying things like "I don't know who this brokeback guy is you're talking about, but he sounds like my kind of talkbacker!" The fact remains that you're a chickenshit, gutless cretin who lacks even the most basic courage of his convictions - on an anonymous internet board, no less. It doesn't get more cowardly than that, chief.
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Come now, you claim to have no knowledge of "brokebackcowboy" yet seem to uncannily know which talkbackers he fought, and indeed in which talkbacks the fights occurred. Not only that, but you suddenly materialize IMMEDIATELY after brokebackcowboy's banning -- eerily chatting up his former nemeses as if they were your online buds. That's just creepy, dude.
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...if the search engine weren't so horrible, and if so many earlier talkbacks hadn't been erased, and indeed if your former posts as brokebackcowboy hadn't been wiped in the banning, both MNG and I would be able to provide you with such material. What a lucky break for you, yes?
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Really? I just stopped posting for a while, as I do from time to time. However, I still read AICN regularly, and the only person(s) I can recall claiming such a thing was brokedick, and then you. How... odd.
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...I'm very much enjoying your funny yet sad attempts to bait me in virtually every other talkback on the front page. I guess I must really be pissing you off.
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Perhaps you didn't understand my earlier post, slick?
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...I feel kind of dirty engaging in this exchange with you. Your earlier persona was much more despicable, but at least there was a prevalent sense of dealing with the real thing. The cologne-drenched carrion miasma wafting off of you now is just creeping me out - even if there is satisfaction in knowing that your current deceptive antics prove everyone else's earlier assertions that you really had hidden agendas with your heinously prejudiced statements and loony links.
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...When you say things like you've "heard" that I had my ass handed to me by brokebackcowboy when no such posts ever existed aside from those posted under the name of "brokebackcowboy" and "bringingsexyback", then it's tantamount to having prior knowledge of the guy. You can deny it all you want, but I can't be arsed to find the first four or five talkbacks which you posted in as "bringingsexyback". If you want to, on the other hand, feel free. You are brokedick, sport, and everyone knows it.
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...dig up a link or two to any post where anyone but you says that I took a break due to having my ass kicked on AICN and I'll make the effort to find the links you in turn are looking for.
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DOPEfiend ,
I would replace Kate Bosworth with Emily Deschanel over Zooey Deschanel for Lois. I would of been happy with Smallville Lois because she looks like she could have a 5 year old...I waited for the IMAX Version of SR but the 3D was funky. The movie didn't need it in IMAX. Glasses on , glasses off sucked during the movie.
Get a New Lois and let the Kid and Boyfriend die in a tragic death by villian are good ideas. Payback is a bitch -
Quote: "Do you have any transcripts of this Brokebackcowboy's posts?" --- No. Unfortunately, when someone is banned from AICN, their posts are destroyed. And unlike some others, I do not copy and store TBs for reference. Yet.
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I've never seen anybody discuss such a thing as "Everyone knows you went into hiding after some board wars". Nope. The only person who has ever declared that is you, BSB. And it all started to make sense here: (http://tinyurl.com/yla2ux) and here (http://tinyurl.com/y6e8xj). The second link being of the upmost curiosity.
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I suggest you use it. Seeing as how I didn't see or post in that particular thread, the least you could do is find the appropriate link and post it here. Besides, it would help your "case" with DocPaz. Take some of your own advice and don't expect me to do your homework for you.
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If you will refer to the first link in my previous post, you will find BSB's debut appearance on AICN. INCREDIBLE timing.
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You can build yourselves up all you want by saying you had a philosophical/religious cinematic experience from watching SR, and we didn't because all we want is action, but you're just fooling yourselves. SR was not a balanced movie like, for example, Spiderman 2, which had great action sequences with INTERESTING dialogue scenes in between. SR had subpar action scenes and boring character development. Why do we even need that much exposition after what was set up in the first two movies? This movie should have been 90 minutes, with 45 of action and 45 telling us something we DIDN'T know about the characters. To get people back to the theaters for the sequel they're going to have to have a top notch supervillain outsmarting and outfighting Superman in fantastic action sequences, then show them prominently in the trailers, and then have the movie deliver what the trailer promises. If they're going to rip off the Spider-man movies, they need to do it right this time.
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I just hate the "you need nonstop action to be entertained" people.
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OH NO, NO, NO, my amigo! You're the one who brought it up and you're the one who knows what the TB was about!!! Don't try to slag your claim off on me. Otherwise, you've got NOTHING. Are you such a lazy coward that you won't even provide proof of such statements??? Wow. This has officially turned into comedy.
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Otherwise, you wouldn't be trolling him as hard as you have been the past 2 days. You're looking for another "Flame War" and it's as obvious as your skill in deflection. It's just such a shame that you lack the abilities of other well-known AICN Trolls (RIP). It's been done before, BSB. And it's been done better.
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I'm just asking you to meet us halfway here.
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Looking at the history of Supes. Supes made his deut at a time when the united states was at a low ebb. The Us needed something to rally around and to remind the troupes in battle and eveyone else of americas Patriotism. Apart from Coca cola. Superman is a manifestation of the US in a certain period of time. After World war 2 and well into the cold war Superman mirrored the Us's invincibility and indestructability. Marvels Heros came to pass because of the Cold War now that cold war is over, those characters while interesting have to be modernised and writers living in todays age are fully aware of this. This is where me and this talkback part company because some want these heros to be left alone. Take x-men 3, I cant count the amount of people who came on this site and stirred this cauldron of hate prepared by harry knowles. that is old ground which I dont want to go over, suffice to say, I went, I saw and I had good time. But the new rule around these parts is dont go to comic book films becuase Rothman is a toerag or Bay is blah, blah, blah. Most people outside the confines of this site or Imdb dont know who Tom Rothman is and dont really give a shite either way. Rothman is a movie exec whos job it is to make money for the company fox and I am suprised at the level of ignorance about the inner workings of Hollywood on this site. Harry he went to hollywood and well where are his films, he wrote a book. How many people took notice of that one. Precious few. is the answer. End of rant. Superheros like superman have to be update/modernised to fit the times, this is where I think the kid comes into the picture, He is just a young boy but in the future like Anakin skywalker he will have his head turned by someone and he will be told by someone that he has great power but the kid gets corrupted by power as he gets older. and therefore poses a challenge of dominace for real dad superman. I wouldnt be suprised if this kid falls into the hands of say general zod. This is I believe the direction that Singer wants to take superman in. The singer/ratner/bay/rothman hate brigade are already sharpening their pitchforks. These characters that we have grown up with have to be modernised or they will cease to relevant in the future and Bond 21 is a case in point. bond had to be stripped of everything in order for Barbara Brocolli and her family to give us all a fresh take on bond. Sometimes it just has to be done. like it or not. Superman is a boring character and maybe nothing can be done to make him interesting.
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Ha! I like to play "hard-to-get".
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Best. word. ever.
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I agree, the writers for this film were/are hacks, and they need to have nothing to do with the next one. Batman Begins was great because it took the franchise to places no one has seen on screen before. Superman just rehashed everything that was done before, but to make it different, they threw in a love triangle with a kid. And I think it was mentioned above by someone, but his powers were not consistent. If he couldn't even beat up a couple of thugs, why then, 10 minutes later was he able to lift an island of the stuff that made him unable to fight said street thugs? He should have died on that island. And how did that float off into space, when he fell back to Earth? Yes, it's fantasy fiction, but at least abide by the rules of the universe that were established. And the whole creepy stalker thing? I agree, he wasn't the cleancut hero that he was in the original movies or the comics. Routh was ok, his direction was flawed. Whatever, at least have him get into one fight, he's a superhero. Bring on Spidey 3 and The Dark Knight. Oh, and is it confirmed that the new Hulk will be a reboot, and disregard Ang Lee's Hulk?
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I'm pooched in anticipation.
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Get this quote from Singer in an article about his "Return" for a sequel:
"He also noted that in the next movie he should be able to incorporate more contemporary aspects from the comics. "I'm very respectful of that," he said."
Respectful?? How in hell is he "respectful" of the comics, when all he would say is "I never read the comics"? Over and over and over again. The guy REALLY is high on himself, and need not be back. Luckily for all Superman fans, this is all just to get interest in the DVD up. Come late 2007, Singer will drop-out due to "scheduling conflicts" or some other Hollywood lie for "booted". -
if Hostel can get a sequel, then any film ever made must also be able to justify having one.
Kevin Spacey was just awful in SR. he was no Gene Hackman, and only Gene Hackman can play Lex Luthor. if there's no Lex in this next one, it might be OK.
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This is just WB trying to save face for the money they already spent on Superman Returns. I guess they think it will make them more money down the road, but I'm not sure how. I'm sure the sequel will be HEAVILY looked over by the studio, which means it will be a mishmash of Singer's hamhanded melodrama and the studio's hamhanded 'action'. Count me out... again.
Also, X-3 was better directed than the first two. There was an actual climax and finale. The reason it wasn't awesome was that the script was bad, which was finished pre-Ratner. Is the guy a hack? You betcha. But he is a proficient hack! And anything is better than Hugh Jackman's overemoting at the end of X-2. That always cracks me up. 'She's Gone! She's GONE!' Criminy. -
Remember brokedick's obsession with the word "ream"?
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I agree completely that they are guilty of this. But I still believe, come time to start filming, another ass will be in that directors chair. BS had EVERYTHING at his disposal, and failed to take advantage of it. Or at least have something to show for it. It HAS to steam Horn's hide to know about that $10 million dollar sequence floating out in no-man's land. Singer was trying to "rise above" other comic-book directors, thinking he would make a "sophisticated" superhero film. Instead, he made a pretentious bore.
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Summer '09
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Unfortunately. As long as Singer is attached, the kid has to stay so that he can be little-baby-Bryan's surrogate for working out his daddy issues. The kid ruined the movie. Period.
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He posted that he saved the whole page before the had banned my "Freefinger" account baause their was major issues with me posting my password???
I'd love to get a copy of the whole thing.. almost made me cry when they deleted everything and I didn't save anything... -
Superman can be boring if you don't have a story to back him up, heck any character is. I loved it when Byrne (who I heard is now just a grumpy old man for some reason?) took on the Man of Steel series to refresh Superman. He took Supe's powers down a notch, made him a little more vulnerable and did something really good in making anything that is skin tight virtually indestructable because of his aura. this explained the suit never being torn off, he then started punching holes thru the cape and such. this was somewhat of a cool thing to do instead of the ordinary "Kryptonian sheets" being transformed into a costume. He also made him more human with issues about everyone trying to get a piece of him the first time they saw him save a plane. He changed it up a bit but not too much. that's what I like about that stroyline (If anyone can pick it up I recomend it - I haven't read much since that time so could not debate on who got the best way of re-creating Supe's if they did it lately but it way better than what Singer did...). The case I think most people are making is that Singer and the frat boys turned him into a peeping tom, gave him a son out of the blue, made him fly out to Krypton and back within a 5 year span but didn't hink of adding barkes on his ship, the making him super weak while walking on the ew continent yet strong enough by lifting the damn thing while having green kryptonium right there surrounding him (which should've kicked his repleneshing of the sun's butt thing he did)... Giving him the darker no logo on the cape suit, which made him look like drunk Superman (Which makes me wonder if Singer ever even saw the movies or did he just see that part and went "ok, I'm keeping the dark suit"... It's not the effects, it not the photography, it's just the way he did things to make the character completely lose the things that made him Superman to us while groing up, and now this generation will have a creep as a hero? They stole half of the movie from the other ones, with re-arraging some lines and re-shooting things we had already seen then having the balls to say it was an "homage", you can do an "homage" piece without stealing the scenes right off. I think the 5 year thing that he's off the planet is not that bad, it could've worked in some way, but they didn't make any sense out of it, he's going back because astronomers discovered the distant remains of his home world? Doesn't he know that it take thousands of years for us to even get to see a star? Heck there are stars out there that don't even exist anymore and we see them because their light just got to us. Now why would he jump ship just like that if he already knows that the world is destroyed without even saying goodbye to the one woman he loves? That's just pushing it. Singer wanted to be praised and kick the box office records into space with this one, and he didn't, he totally blew it, yes the movie finally reached the 200 million gap in the US, but it should've been attained in a quarter of the time it did. And that says it all for the fans out there, they weren't even able to pull in the ones who were not fans which the Spiderman franchise did (And they switched things around in that one too, but not so far as playing with the feel of the character.) Heck go out and get a copy of "Silent Bob Speaks" where K Smith talks about the time he wrote a script, he was forced into doing all these stupid things because Jon Peters is a freak beyond freaks. This is were your "Anakin" come into play, it fu**ing rantings of an idiot Peters who probably said "We need a kid in there, like Anakin!" and they fu**ing put it in. There were so many things that could've turned out great from the basis they got this movie going then they pushed it way off the cliff by not even thinking about what they were writting. And this is proven within the first 5 minutes of the film were Lex makes the old woman sign the estate over to him and no one in the family goes to court to contest the damn thing. Rich people are way to egotistic to not go to court to get the documents thorn apart, especially documents that were signed in the last breathing moments of a dying woman. Too many things not working out in the movie, they should've stopped trying to copy the other movies and start writing a real story. I just hope the reports of Singer taking on the "Superman Return Again" movie was a pure joke and that the heads of WB get fired for getting the franchise a second flop.
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With almost 5000 views and 2 stars... I'd say this short ain't that good... I tried to watch it. I reeeeaallly did... but god is it painful... Sorry to the ones who star in it... Hope the next one will be better...
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...Was suprisingly good. I think he got the bad reviews because of the bad writing.. He was able to take a part of the mantle left by Chris Reeves (I don't think any actor can take on the fuill legacy as C. Reeves just because he looked so much like the character and had great performances in the first 2 movies).. but yeah he did what he could and you gotta give it to the guy, that this was not easy to take on with all the love that is still out there for Chris and his family. I would'nt mind if they brought him back for the new movie (if they did so by getting rid of Singer... which unfortunatly won't happen... I just don't care about his all "wrath of Kahn" thing.. this ain't Star Trek. He go all "King Kong" or all "Lords of the Rings" shit on it and it won't change the fact that he destroyed all moral values that Superman had with his first shitty go at it).
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And go to basics and turn him backl to Superman as Moses? Because that's what Superman is, a Moses-like figure, with Samson's strengh (inicially, now he's strong as God). Besides, Superman as Jesus is just a natural progression, since moses hismelf was the greatest infuence on the biblical Jesus, as the gospel of Mathew testifies (pun intended).
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Yeah, it would be great to see an Avengers movie, but I'm pretty sure it would have nothing to do with Iron Man or the new Hulk. In fact, it would probably disregard them completely and re-cast the roles. Alot of comic book movies are really good, and I'm glad to see them all up on screen, but one thing they never do in the movies that they always did in the comics is crossovers. I know there are rights issues, but how great would it be to see Tobey Maguire's Spider-Man show up in X-Men, or Hugh Jackman's Wolverine make an appearance in Spidey 3, even if for just a few seconds. Or Storm? Or Iceman? Or have Affleck's Daredevil show up in the new Hulk so he can redeem himself in a worthwhile movie. How about a Bale/Routh Batman/Superman movie, directed by Nolan, so Supes can have a real movie to be in. I love that comics are so popular right now, I just think the studios are missing out on one of the best, and most fun, aspects.
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So maybe the crossover possibilities will be there very soon. Hopefully Ghost Rider won't suck as bad as it looks like it will, but I've never been a big fan of his anyway. My main books growing up were the three Spider-Man titles and Uncanny X-Men, but I would occasionally check out Hulk, Avengers, Silver Surfer and Daredevil. I couldn't get into Daredevil though, those comics didn't appeal to me for some reason. But I'm glad Marvel is putting it all under one roof. I wonder if the future Spider-Man installments will be taken away from Sony.
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that crutch". ---------------- Brando: "I send them you, my only son". Nope, Donner wouldn't do that at all! ;) Superman IS the Christ myth (by way of a couple of Jews), Yacky, so there's no harm in people 'getting' it on the boards. He's also the Golem. The 'American myth" people are being awfully myopic while still being sort of correct. Emeraldboy is right too but confusing the origin with the metaphor. You're right though - Singer ladled it on with a trowel and the actual filmmaker being so on the nose with it is sorta patronising! Right? Right!
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