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Well here's what the British Tabloid THE SUN had to say about the latest Bond flick.... I don't know why... but for some reason I'm just not very excited about Bond anymore. I don't know why, honestly. I think it's because the formula has just grown staid. The villians are so one dimensional. The ladies aren't as cool as they used to be. And the character of Bond... while being cool... has grown away from the mysogynist badass I knew and loved. It's scary for me, but for some reason I'm actually more excited by the Mission Impossible II film... and infinately more excited by both JOAN OF ARC and GLADIATOR. Both of which are types of films that Bond helped to put an end to back around the time of GOLDFINGER.... Strange... Don't get me wrong. I'm hoping for this movie to break the mold and kick my ass.... But I'm just not getting any vibe from the movie or the buzz.... it feels like going through the steps... Sorry for the diatribe... here's the news...
The British tabloid "The Sun" reported that the Bond 19's opening sequence
will cost £1 million per minute - a total expense of £5 million for that
sequence. The opening will feature 17 £5,000 speedboats travelling at over
60
mph, landmarks such as the Houses Of Parliament, Canary Wharf, and Tower
Bridge.
The opening will probably start with the MI6 building being completely
destroyed, include a speedboat chase with Bond, and end with Bond dropping
from a hot air balloon onto the roof of the Millennium Dome, where he will
grapple with enemies as helicopters land around the area. The opening
sequence
is taking 34 days to shoot.
Robbie Coltrane's Valentin Zukovsky will own a caviar factory in Baku.
The Bond crew have also constructed a replica of a Russian nucleur arms
factory at Pinewood Studios and a string of factories on piers in the
Caspian
sea.
Rap star Goldie also features in Bond 19. Pierce Brosnan commented: "He's
the
new Jaws - put it this way I wouldn't want to meet him in a dark alley -
he'd
probably bite me."
Bond will drive a BMW Z8, but "there will be fewer brands this time",
according to Bond producer Michael Wilson.
Pierce thinks this is the best Bond yet -- "It's like putting on an old pair
of shoes. Robert Carlyle is an excellent villain and the Bond girls are very
sexy too." The Bond girls have been confirmed as Denise Richards, Serena
Scott
Thomas and Sophie Marceu.
Bond producers have rubbished the claims that Bond 19 will be Q's swansong,
but it not seems very likely John Cleese will play his "replacement" - R.
Total cost for "The World Is Not Enough" is estimated to be £70 million.
DAN OWEN
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Frankly, I love Bond- always have, always will! This new one sounds like it'll be great. (Don't know who the hell 'Goldie' is, but here's hoping he/she/it is up there with Goldfinger, Oddjob, Jaws, and other memorable baddies.) With Bond, Star Wars, Austin powers, and toy Story all returning to movie screens this year, 1999 should rank as one of the best years for movies in a LONG time!
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I can see why you think the formula is a little staid by episode 19, Harry. Frankly, I thought Tomorrow Never Dies was quite a disappointment after Goldeneye - all guns blazing and very little style or savvy. But the one thing Bond does best is bounce back - look at The Spy Who Loved Me after The Man With Golden Gun, or, indeed, Goldeneye after Licence To Kill.
From what I've heard here in the UK, Bond 19 (or The World Is Not Enough) sounds like an absolute corker and I can't wait! Ok, I'm on old Brit Bond fan, but you can't beat a bit of Bondage, ESPECIALLY when compared to such tosh like Mission Impossible. I mean, Cruise or Brosnan - who's hands would you rather have the safety of the world in?
As a resident of London, if I see anything of the filming of this collosal speed-boat River Thames chase, I'll let you know asap.
Anyway, here's one fan who can't wait to be shaken and stirred this November. Here's just hoping Q doesn't really retire with this one - that would be a tragic day! -
Goldie is a drum'n'bass artist rather than a rap artist, dnb being a British form of dance music based around very fast/complex drum rhythms. He is heavy-set black guy with a shaved head and a mouthfull of gold teeth, hence the 'Jaws' reference, and the nickname.
Anyway....here is the full text of the same story from the UK's Daily Telegraph. Note especially the difference is price estimate. Which one is right, Harry?
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Italian actress Maria Grazia Cucinotta, 27, is to steal the show in the opening of the 19th Bond film 'The World is Not Enough', although she will no longer be rolling a Havana cigar along her thigh.
She is to play the Cigar Girl in a five miute sequence designed to take our breath away.
The script originally had her rolling the cigar before blowing up the M16 building in London.
Now she will simply hand over a box of cigars to on oil baron, although the riverside headquaters will suffer the same fate.
She then embarks on her getaway in a high-speed boat but is chased up the Thames by Bond in an action-packed sequence that cost one million pounds a minute to film and will take 34 days to shoot.
The chase takes them past the Houses of Parliament and on to Canery Wharf, and ends with Bond being dropped onto the Millenium Dome after hanging from a hot-air balloon and dodging bullets fired by Miss Cucinotta.
"She is described as a bombshell in the script and doesn't last very long in the film" a source tells me.
Miss Cucinotta, 27 [I'm sure they said that already], who starred as the voluptuous barmaid in 'Il Postino', is only one of a host of beautiful women to star in the $100 million dollar movie, currently being shot at Pinewood Studios.
Denise Richards, Sophie Marceau and Serena Scott Thomas all succumb to Pierce Brosnan's Bond. Denise Van Outen is also rumoured to be appearing.
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Hope this is of interest... Miss Cucinotta, 27, certainly is verrrry attractive. It shouldn't be to difficult to track down pictures of her elsewhere on the web, esp. with that surname. And I think Goldie will make a good villian, though I'm a bit dubious about such an obvious duplicate of the original Jaws character.
But why did they cut this supposed 'rolling a cigar on her thigh' scene? Sounds Ok to me! -
The Eyes Wide Lampshades thread was so funny I saved it! Seriously, the new Bond flick looks like its going to ba alot better than the last one. Excellent cast. Cool script rumours. It looks pretty good to me. Do you know if they plan to feature lampshades?
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This news was compiled from The Sun and sent to AICN by me. I know the info didn't originate from me, but I did make it more readable, etc. I also left my name at the bottom of the email... yet somehow I DIDN'T GET CREDITED!
Perhaps because I didn't use a "fake name"... hmm. Anyway, not very pleased about that!
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I say that if THE WORLD IS NOT ENOUGH is just another stupid Hollywood action movie, and not some slick stylish Bond film like Goldfinger, From Russia With Love, Octopussy, Goldeneye, or The Spy Who Loved Me, then we should fucking riot. James Bond is the single coolest movie character of all time. forget Bogey's roles, or Darth Vader or Indiana Jones or Norman Bates or Travis Bickle... BOND is da man! TOMORROW NEVER DIES did not allow bond to be bond. they simply told him to shoot as many people as possible, get a jackie chan-like girlfiend, blow up a bunch of shit, and then maybe nobody would notice that bond isnt nearly as cool as he used to be.
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I agree with u, Harry. As a dedicated Bond fan in Hong Kong for 20 yrs. Tomorrow Never Dies is one of the lowest point of the series. Bond's character has deviated too much from the one I used to know. He now has a serios guilt trip problem. When's the last time you see Connery or Moore sitting in an empty hotel room after work with an empty bottle of vodka, bitching about his life. Brosnan's approach is too serious at times, yet not intelligent and lethal enough. Bond's not supposed to be taken seriously, it's a fantasy. And the violence is TND is another issue. Too much, too brutal, too repetitive. Not enough humor, elegance and style. Just blasting his machine gun to everything he sees. Although I am from HK, but I must admit Michelle Yeoh's character pales next to Barbra Bach's Triple X. She's just not as fun to watch. Overall, the series is losing the charm, the humor, the distinctiveness that have carried it over through tough times for over 30 yrs. May be Bond should follow his creators (Fleming, Brocolli and Maibaum), and be put to rest.
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Come on yanks, grow up. If Bond was a uniquely American product I don't think you'd be singing the same tune Dan Owen. Really childish.
Let's look at it like this: there are more Americans who love Bond then Americans who hate it, and democracy rules. Tommorrow Never Dies grossed $130 M in the US, which is not bad considering that it was the only major movie released up against the enigmatically popular Titanic. I firmly believe that Tommorrow would have taken $200 M had it been released in the summer instead.
So just keep your dumb assed comments to yourselves in future. Mission Impossible was the most boring film I ever saw, and Mission Impossible II better not be the same otherwise it WILL bomb.
The only comparable American franchise to Bond is Indiana Jones, oh and guess which concept spawned that movie series!!
Some of you Americans will always try to find diplomatic ways (citing two unfinished foreign movies to cover your ass Dan) of belittling franchises that are English, but I am afraid BOND is forever, and the majority of Americans agree with me.
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Bond is not BOND anymore. "Tomorrow" was nothing but "Spy Who Loved Me" which was "You Only Live Twice", scripted by the late, great Roald Dahl. They need to come up with fresh ideas and better formulas and cut-out the cutesy remarks that Bond is always using. Once-in-awhile, okay, if the shoe fits, but look at "Octopussy". I mean, jeeze! Bond would never me caught dead wearing an ape costume and checking his watch when the bad guys check theirs or that lame scene in "Moonraker" with the "CETK" theme to enter into the lab!
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Nice to see you read my message and credited me accordingly. Thanks a lot! ;-)
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I think the good thing about Bond
is that the films are reliable, yes you know more or less what to
expect and they do follow a formula that is pretty dam good.
Most people grew up with them, one
would come along every two or three years and of you would go to the Cinema confident that the film you where about to see would at least entertain you. Which is a lot more than you can say about 90% of the action films they make today.
Bond is a bench mark and always has been. I would go as far as to say it helped to invent modern movie making way back in the 60`s along with Hitchcock. -
First off... Road Dahl had relatively little to do with YOLT. Dahl is credited, yes, but actually had little to do with the final draft.
I find it hard to believe you read the script for Bond19, since it has nothing to do with either The Spy Who Loved Me or You Only Live Twice. Oh, wait, is that just your bad writing showing? My apologies. "The" script must refer to Bond18. Never mind. -
I find it strange that people think Goldeneye was better than Tomorrow Never Dies. Goldeneye was so PC and cheesy. An exploding antenna? Gimme a break. Yeah, Bond became an indestructable bad-ass in Tomorrow, but so what? He still gets laid, he's still got gadgets, and he can't die anyway! There aren't enough action movies anymore as it is. No one gets shot in movies anymore, it's always just stars from WB sitcoms dodging special effects flying through the air. Bring back the Die Hards, the Predators! R rated movies have to make a comeback! I know you guys are excited about the possible comeback of old-school comedies with 'American Pie' and that's good. But I also think the kick-ass action flicks should make a comeback too!
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It's sad how low some people's standards are. Why do so many people defend TOMORROW NEVER DIES with statements like "youre not supposed to take it seriously"? what film is worth seeing if youre not going to take it seriously? and, yes, i love INDIANA JONES, STAR WARS, and the classic BOND films, and yes, i take all of them seriously. The character of James Bond is supposed to be a very intelligent, very resourseful, very sly, and very cool man. Let's define cool. Cool is when you stick a hair from your head on the crack of your closet door to see if anyone has snooped in that closet (Connery did that in DR NO). Cool is when you sneak into a circus in a clown outfit (Moore did that in OCTOPUSSY). Cool is when you trick your enemy into opening a booby-trapped suitcase (Connery did that in FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE, one of the best examples of bond-coolness). Cool is basically when you keep your compusure under pressure and think up ingeneous ways of getting out of trouble. Cool is NOT blowing away a million guys with a machine gun that has a seemingly bottomless clip! We all KNOW that Bond never dies, therefore we do NOT go to the movies to sit on the edge of our seats saying "Gee wiz, I sure hope he shoots all of these guys and blows up all these buildings so he can live!" That's NOT suspense! The only suspense in a real bond film is finding out HOW hes going to get out of trouble, and when the filmmakers let him use infintite bullets and everready bombs to do that, well, its just about the most unoriginal line of thinking possible (thats Hollywood for you). In other words, I go to bond films to see the coolest motherfucker ever THINK his way out of trouble (with some action sprinkled accordingly). If i want to see some idiot SHOOT his way out of trouble, I'll rent an old ARNOLD or SLY or BRUCE flick, produced by JERRY and DON no less. My point is (and you know who this is directed to), that if all it takes is a million bullets and bombs to entertain you, and no thought process whatsoever, then why dont you just rent a bunch of action movies and put all of the explosions on to one VHS tape and then watch that tape on a loop?!
ps- the word "serious" used to describe TND simply because it was more violent made me laugh, thanks LaneMyers
pps- in case you havent noticed, LaneMyers, this whole letter is directed at people like you, who cherish their precious "eye-candy", and you better have more than the old Scott-Harlin comeback to defend yourself with -
The James Bond movie is sadly in its last years of being Bond worthy. Bond's world simply clashes too much with the modern pc world. TOMORROW NEVER DIES was the death knoll. In the final scene he split screen time with the chick! What is this crap? Why was she kicking just as much ass? This is not the way a Bond film should be.
For example let's review two of the tougher and smarter Bond girls in BARBARA BACH as the Soviet Spy and how about PUSSY GALORE. BACH was tied up during most of the final minutes and in Goldfinger it is BOND who saves the US Gold supply and eventually Miss Galore we find can't get enough Bond.
James Bond is a representation of the male super cool ego. Taking away is mysoginist world and putting him into a pc world is like putting Julie Andrews in PREDATOR. -
Unlike some people on this board I actually have read the script, and I think it will be a return to the was Bond was. It needs a little work but otherwise it will be great!!! True Bond fans don't abandon him because he's in a slump. If you are a Bond fan you will be pleased with film.
Also, Valentin Zukovsky will own a caviar factory and he will be killed by Elektra. Just thought you'd like to know.
Renard 'The Fox'
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More than anything else, I am a long time disciple of James Bond.
Having grown up around spooks, it was only natural that I have a love of the spook of the silver screen.
Point is, James Bonds are best when they don't pander to the lowest common denominator (generally found in the U.S.A.). I am excited that this will be filmed in England and in the Near East, but I suspect there are one too many Americans involved in this project to make it successful.
To wit, the last Jimmy Bond was bastardised primarily because of the Yankee factor. Why was Sheryl Crow given the nod for the title song, when the British group The Verve had an incredible version of their own? Why was the pathetic yet beautiful Teri Hatcher cast as Jimmy's main squeeze? She is about as exotic as Wonder Bread and American as apple pie.
I want more of the exotic variety. Denise Richards is sex, but is she exotic? I hope so.
So I think Jimmy Bond is destined for failure if it's producers pander to Americans. In short, they need to be more British and yet exotic. They need to lose the feminist agenda - let us face the fact that feminists will never like James Bond (let them have Xena the Warrior Princess or whatever it is). And finally, they need to start delving into more far-flung destinations of this earth. There are ship-loads of political intrigue the world over.
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I'm also more exited about Mission Impossible 2 than I am about the new Bond. That is if John Woo directs the thing. He fucking rules! Without him it won't be anything special. In fact it will suck trough the roof. I'm so scared by the rumours on Dark Horizons and Coming Atractions that John has left the project. If Tom didn't give him creative freedom he has made the right decision. The new Bond could be cool though.
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Why is this so site....DULL, DEPRESSING, AND BASICALLY SHITE.
I mean a LOOOOOOOVE the brown background, I love all the latest photos, and images that get stuck up on this site for all to see. Oh and the articles are written with such style and witisisem, PINNACE of the highest order.
And listen A lICENSE TO KILL, was a great movie, not exactly a true Bond movie but a great all out action movie with a sense of stlye so give it a break!.
I am intrested in finding out everybody fave 5 Bond films!....
I would go for
1.You only live twice
2.Goldeneye
3.Goldfinger
4.Tomorrow never dies
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I havent read all the talkbacks so I dont know if this was covered, but the 17 speedboats WONT be appearing on camera at the same time, they are stunt boats! 17 stunt boats were made for the chase because most of the boats will end up getting trashed in the stunts. They are the SAME BOAT, ok now that thats covered, we can resume reading your witty and always entertaining comments (some of you guys are really pretty lame and pathetic) :OP --McK
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thank you very much, LaneMyers, for giving everyone a complete list of all the things you do in your job. Not that anyone asked to hear it! Why, oh why, did you feel the need to explain to everyone the moronic Jerry-and-Don formula used in TOMORROW NEVER DIES? My original impled question was, why aren't bond films as cool as they used to be? My impled answer was that the character has been lessened from the ultra-coolness that Connery got to enjoy in his well-paced and well-written (for a spy movie) flicks. The character that poor Brosnon has to endure is a dumbed down action hero, highly influenced by the Big 80s with Arnold Sly Bruce and Jerry and Don, not a supercool spy. That was the arguement I brought up: that bond films are getting very dumb. YOU felt that that entitled you to lay out the entire formula for dumb movies, a formula that anyone who's seen a Jerry-and-Don flick knows by now, the formula used in TND. So I agree with you there: Yes, that is the formula. But I disagree with many other things: No, that formula is NOT entertaining! No, I for one never thought of Fleming as a Shakespeare, BUT i do believe that James Bond, the character, is a brilliant invention, and I do believe that that invention was a much smarter character than the one that us 90s audiences have to endure. You claim, with your Bond and Fleming are morons arguement, is that Bond has always been a moron character for moron audiences who just want "eye-candy". I ask you one question: Do you really honestly believe that FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE is as moronic and "eye-candy"ish as TOMORROW NEVER DIES? Do you really think that the FRWL is as brainless and as ridiculous as TND? ok that was two questions, but same point. My point is: Bond has gotten dumber, nay, a LOT dumber and I, as a HUUUUGE bond fan, am really pissed at a) MGM/UA b) people who support TND. I really want that question answered, LaneMyers: Are you really as happy as the TND bond as you are with the FRWL bond? Do you really not notice the dumbing-down? PS- The complete irrelevency and off-the-topicness of your long-winded and unprovoked response in which you describe what appeals to the dumbest audiences which therefore practically destroyed your own integrity, meaning your taste in movies as well as what you do for a living, was so stupid, because it was well-thought out and intentional, that it erases the temperorary brainfart i had when i confused two meaningless hack-action directors, Scott and Harlin. Yes, to everyone else, Ridley Scott and Renny Harlin, along with Tony Scott, Joel Schumaccer (sp?), Simon West, and Michael Bay are HACKS. The only AUTEUR action directors are Speilberg, Verhoven, Cameron (except for that piece of shit, TRUE LIES), Woo, Rodrigez sometimes, Lucas hopefully (we'll see May 21st), Peckinpah, Seigal, Leone, Freidkin (for THE FRENCH CONNETION), and maybe a couple others, but ive always felt the need to identify the HACK ACTION DIRECTORS, because they are the worst kind of director; they get huge budgets, infinite access to special effects and studio's treasures, yet they have 1/100 the talent of some directors that work for 1/100 the salary and receive 1/100 the budget.
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In my last post, I said that Cameron was an auteur except for TRUE LIES, and I'll tell you why... Cameron's reoccuring theme in all his films is man vs technology. His first feature was Piranha 2: The Spawning. This is the only Cameron film I have not seen, but it looks terrible. BUT, since he was a rookie, I'll forgive him for taking this trash. Then he did THE TERMINATOR, great piece of science-fiction which describes a war between man and machine. Then he did ALIENS, a great sequel of the original ALIEN. In this sequel, the aliens are being brought back to Earth to be used by "the Company" for warfare purposes... kinda like The Bomb, or the Anthrax virus, or other similar war weapons, thereby equating the aliens with Technology of Destruction. Next, in THE ABYSS, man is trapped, literally, in a machine (an underwater station) that tries to allow man to live where he is not intended to live. Man is defeated by nature (ie. the storm above) and the station crumbles. Luckily for man, underwater aliens save the day (i dont get the meaning of that either, please talkback). Then, in T2, my second favorite sequel ever behind the second GODFATHER (Episodes 5 and 6 are NOT sequels and neither are the JONES and BOND installments), he advances the story of the war between man and machine, and throws in a interesting twist of love between man and machine (Arnold and lil' John Conner). After TRUE LIES, he did TITANIC. In this story, Cameron explores what happens when man thinks he can conquer technology, only this time its true. They thought, when they built the ship, that it was unsinkable. It was the biggest vehicle ever built and luxurious too. Remember the guy in the movie that wanted the captain to go fast and arrive a day early... to show how fast it also was? Man in TITANIC wanted to show off how cool their technology was (just think of the name of the ship and imagine how big their heads must have been when they made the "unsinkable" claim). But nature decided to put man in his place with a litle ice cube, thereby killing half of the passengers. All of these films have very strong themes of man vs technology except TRUE LIES. dont give me any shit about the Bombs or the cool Planes or Guns in that movie because they were only there for enterainment purposes. The elements of man and technology in TRUE LIES exist purely by coincidense. If the film were good, I wouldnt bash it, but its by far and away Cameron's worst, so I must expose it for what it is... a cheap sell-out by one of the greediest assholes in Hollywood in which he tries to recreate the big dumb action hero mystique that worked in the 80s with the star who personified big dumb musclebound action stardom in that decade (arnold).
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You answered the WRONG QUESTION!!! I made it very clear to what the question was to be answered! read my post again!
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Goldie isn't a "rap star" His music is usually concidered "jungle techno" or "drum'n bass" However, sometimes his music has rapping involved
I remember reading a rumour, either here or Dark Horizons, that he was in talks to do music for Eyes Wide Shut
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The James Bond franchise is dying.
The last 2 movies really sucked cause they felt too "Hollywood".
They need to make one that's more like" The living Daylights", Although Timothy Dalton wasnt the greatest Bond the film itself was great and didnt feel "staged" and with "forced action", you know, "hollywood explosions" here and there.
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