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TRANSFORMERS Movie Optimus & Starscream Protoform Images/Toy Packaging Leak!!

Merrick here...
Bruticus sent in this heads up... acttoys.net has posted pictures of toys from the TRANSFORMERS movie. The toys reveal Optimus Prime and Starscream in their "protoforms" -- the configuration in which they initally arrive on Earth, before scanning our vehicles (thus adapting themselves into the Transformers designs we've already seen). To avoid crashing acttoys' server, we've presented one of their images here to give you a sense of things. But be sure to jump to their website (at some point) for more pictures -- including clear shots of toy packaging. You can do so by...

CLICKING HERE!!!

Thanks to Bruticus for pointing us in this direction. Here's one of the pics. You can click the image to make it substantially larger.

Hey, I didn't know this was a GUNDAM movie!

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  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    First?

    by RedScab

    They need to bring back the orginal toys. Autobots ROLLOUT!!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Wow. more suck.

    by tile_mcgillus

    Its like Christmas for suck with this movie. WTF is going on with this crap!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:17 p.m. CST

    ahh

    by RedScab

    I can't read Japanese, what do these things transform into, ROCKS????

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    wtf is a protoform?

    by waggy

    i know fuck all about the transformers (which allows me to have a laugh while reading these talkbacks), so i was wondering if this was something they invented for the movie or a long-standing story element.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    LAME!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    This is Trnsformers?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    "Rock Lords....

    by Optimus Murphy

    ...transform and literally roll out" WTF is this shit? Oh wait, it's the deuce I took this morning.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    The robots arrive on Earth as these things....

    by tile_mcgillus

    They come down like meteors and then scan the closest vehicle. Before they scan and change forms this is what they look like for about 30 seconds. I hope Starscreams scans a port-o-potty because that is what he looks like.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Puma King?

    by HammeredGuy

    holy lord they look like shit. Why fuck with my childhood like this? Why!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Puma King?

    by HammeredGuy

    holy lord they look like shit. Why fuck with my childhood like this? Why!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Hammer, Puma King is the guy

    by TheTalentedMrBond

    Hammer, Puma King is the guy who posted the pic's; he left his signature on it. I don't see any kids playing with these things; why would you want a transformer that turns into a metal blob?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Commence Operation : Childhood Rape

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    thanks

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Ugh

    by Thenedain

    Yet more crap. Jesus, why can't the leakers leak something that might actually be cool? Oh, wait, I remember now: it's because there's nothing cool about this crapfest. Oh, and the reason they look like vehicles before they came to Earth is because they were vehicles on Cybertron. In fact, many of the Cybertronian vehicle forms are pretty cool... too bad they didn't choose to use them instead of metal rocks.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    So they transform into metal boulders?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Well Starscream's protoform robotic mode is better than his earth "Monkeyscream" form we've seen. Michael Bay: Hey kids. Go see my movie. Get unrealistic ideas about driving sportscars and Hummers and end up robbing a bank or dealing drugs. Die alone and penniless after getting out of jail and having no prospects. Or JOIN THE MILITARY and fly kick ass fighter jets like Starscream and blow shit up! Lose your soul and your will to live. Come back insane and shell shocked and slowly die after being exposed to low radioactive rounds hating your government for your hair and teeth falling out. Die drunk on a toilet with an American flag in your hand." FUCK THIS SHIT!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Question

    by Renholder

    Will the ongoing process of watching Bay and Co. make every wrong move possible be more entertaining then the actual film? I say yes, now somebody pre-order me one of those plastic Rock Bots.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    This is going good...

    by sithlard

    I like how they have addresed the problem in the cartoon of why they still looked like earth vehicles in their robotic forms when they were on Cybertron in the beginning. Opitmus Prime always looked like a walking truck, even when he was on Cybertron prior to arriving on earth. This was always awkward to me, since they scan vehicles on earth to adapt. Why would they look like earth vehicles before coming to earth? So it makes sense that their Cybertron robotic forms emmulate their Cybertron vehicles they morph into. When they get to earth, their earth robotic forms will emmulate their earth vehicles they morph into.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Renholder

    by tile_mcgillus

    I am starting to agree with you. Instead of having all that anticipation that normally acompanies a geek movie beforehand ... all I have is hate. It is kinda awesome. Only one decision made by these guys has been right. Peter Cullen. Everything else is just dreadful. I predict these toys will sell more than any other toy in history because the kids will take their robot, transform it to its "alt mode" and chuck it at another kids head...thus putting one kid in the hospital and one with a need for a new toy.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Why would the heads change?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Is there any reason? The head has nothing to do with anything they tranfrom into. Stupid.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The Design of Similarity

    by Pagz

    These pics really illustrate the biggest problem I've seen with this production. All the transformers look the same. I had to look at the names on the packages to tell Optimus from Starscream. That's not something that should ever happen. I don't know what possesed them to take the beloved designs of our childhood and turn them into these uber-techno train wrecks, but I wish someone had come to their senses in time to prevent this. Alas, I foresee a phenomenal amount of suck in our future.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    everyone...

    by ekocher

    just stfu already and deal with it there is nothing you can do and if there was you would have done it already...damn

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    This is not transformers.

    by warp11

    Should the movie even be called Transformers anymore? I much farther will they stray from what Transformers is?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I don't understand....

    by Ministry

    Now I know Talkbacks can get snide and stupid and mean. But honestly I don't understand why anyone at the studio would think these are good designs. It boggles the mind how shitty these look. I mean think about it. How can you take an iconic set of characters that has a built-in audience - a total slamdunk - and arbitrarily fuck with the whole thing and make them into shit? Why would anyone want to do that and why would anyone think that such a risk would be a good idea? I'm not being rhetorical or sarcastic here... can anyone PLEASE explain the logic of this to me? I just don't get it. It's like if they made a Batman movie and put him in yellow tights with a green visor. Seriously WTF. I don't even like Transformers yet I understand fully how shitty these are. Shame on everyone involved.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST

    well remember one thing

    by ekocher

    whos who like transformers are still going to watch it and buy the toys....they will do it even if they say they wont.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:39 p.m. CST

    but....but...

    by Ministry

    Why couldn't they just have done a carbon copy of all the original character designs as everyone knows and loves them and make them badass CG photo-real?? Why does everything always have to be so arrogantly retardedly "updated" ? Christ I mean wasn't Spielberg involved with this? You'd think these people would know better. I just don't get it, I look at these and it's as though disappointing everybody was their goal.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    cack!

    by AlltoEasy

    these are a big bag of wank!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Enough!!!

    by Chris

    Jesus, people! Can you guys read? Or are you still at the point where you only go through and look at the pictures, like a fuckin' 2nd grade child? These are the forms they are in BEFORE they take their classic, lovable, iconic form. If you would take about 30 seconds to read those markings we like to call "letters" you'll see that when put in a certain order, they make "words." And when certain "words" are put together, they make "sentences." These tell you information so that you don't have to bitch and whine like 8-year-old girls who lost their My Little Ponies. Oh, and "Fuck with your childhood"?!? Seriously? If your childhood was influenced that much by a goddamn cartoon, you have bigger issues to deal with than what Michael Bay is going to do with this movie. Yes, he is a bad director. Yes, he will fuck up the movie. We covered this in the initial talkbacks when his name was attacted to the project. We get it. Repeating yourself is very annoying. Please stop.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    yawwwn

    by slkboxrman

    i feel like handing all u whining lil boys n girls hankies and hope u all suffocate on em.... get over it....its not the 80's anymore...if its not the ark crashing on earth millions of years ago u will cry...i think protoforms are a logical idea, although i woulda like the RID concept of protoforms better, this still works... and would u all get off michael bays dick already... if anyone were to take the commentary here and on other transfan boards, they would think that michael bay wrote the script and designed the bots all by himself...hes a director, not a writer or an artist...and hasbro has a stranglehold on the whole thing, so anything designed or in the movie has to be approved by them....one thing all u 30yr old crybabies gotta come to terms with is that this is not gonna be a live action version of the first 3 episodes of a 20+ year old cartoon based originally on toys...stop whining and whining and whining...wait for the movie to come out, until then, stfu personally after the way transformers has been dilluted by all the rediculous incarnations over the years, beast wars, armada, energon, and cybertron, im surprised theres any bitchin about this...the only decent incarnation of transformers since gen-1 was RID, period.... the rest has been utter crap..... all of u anti michael bay bandwagon people get off the mans dick, please....he makes awesome movies, period....theyre not character pieces, theyre action pieces...if all u fckin pansies want rich dialogue and the like, go watch another movie...michael bay does great action films... and transformers will be no different, there is no better director to do this movie....name someone better ?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Yeah but

    by Ministry

    The "iconic" pictures we've all seen are "updated"-suck too.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Just call it something else.....

    by simongarth2001

    This isn't transformers. I'm not sure what it is, but it isn't the transformers I grew up with. Just call it something else, ok? At least Hasbro hasn't totally allowed the complete raping of my childhood. I loved Gi-Joe Adventure team as a kid....uh oh...hope I didnt give Bay any ideas.....

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Oh My God

    by Ray Gamma

    What a shower of sad fucking losers on here. The movie will probably be quite entertaining, and so what if they've added a new concept to explain how the vehicles 'scan' and adapt to earth-vehicle shapes. It's a clever way to get round a stupid error that was there in the original cartoon. As for 'raping your shildhood' etc. If you remember 'Transformers' from your childhood, you're probably about 25+ now, meaning you should care about more important things than stylistic changes made to Optimus Prime's shoulderblade design or whatever crap you ninnies are crying about. Get a fucking life!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    If I wanna call it Gundam

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    I will call it Gundam!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    OK They have fucked this movie

    by antonphd

    I was on board until this bullshit. This isn't Transformers. This is an honest to goodness rape of childhood. WTF?? Fuck you Michael Bay.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Wow! Those look like SHIT!

    by The Dude Abides

    Yep, shit.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Ray Gamma

    by antonphd

    Original Transformer fans are in their early 30s. And most have children and they'd like to share a cool childhood memory with their kids. This isn't just nothing like Transformers... but it just sucks. I don't really care that much. But it's a little sad. You know. Some people do have emotions and fond childhood memories. Sure if I actually watch Transformers now it would be goofy. That doesn't mean I can't enjoy looking back and remembering how much fun I had as a kid.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I agree antonphd

    by Ministry

    That too is my point. From a purely marketing point of view there's no reason to piss off all these hardcore fans. Yeah maybe they're all 30 and pathetic to whine about toys but.... they're the audience for this thing! I don't care about Transformers two licks but It just doesn't make sense to me why they'd voluntarily screw around with something that ain't broken. Oh well.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST

    The error in the cartoon wasn't an error....

    by BRUTICUS

    It wasn't in their budget to have designs made for every single character on cybertron but it was implied that they understood this...the vehicles were different. You just had to use your imagination as I did when I was younger. When I was a kid I simply always wondered what their robot modes would have looked like. It didn't harm the underlying story element to me one single bit.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST

    anyone remember the ship from Flight Of The Navigator?

    by Amy Chasing

    loved those stairs! (and I thought there were images of the "protoform" transformers in the animated series - I remember decepticons being these silver pointy three-corner-jack-like planes with no discernable features. That would have been cool. The toys above - well, it's not the transformers I know, but then again the Star Wars prequels weren't the Star Wars I knew and look how they turned out... oh yeah, they were crap... hmmm, probably should have thought that comparison through a bit more ...

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:55 p.m. CST

    I don't mind it... better than the spikey weird

    by modlight

    designs we have seen. At least these have discernable limbs.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Ok, this is coming from not the biggest fan...

    by My Ass Smells

    but I have to say the design of Optimus Prime is really lousy. First off... I can't imagine that thing transforming into an automobile at all. It has fucking toes? It looks like a goddamn alien!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMER THE MOVIE = SUCKING

    by knowledge1027

    WTF FUCK HOW ARE YOU SUPPOSE TO TRANSFORM THE DAMN THINGS. MY KIDS ARE GOING TO PUT AN EYE OUT.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Battlestar Shout Out

    by darthwalters

    Is it just me or does Optimus in Protoform look like one of the old "guy in costume" cylons from the old Battlestar. Does that mean that all the military characters are going to be sporting the 70's mini-mullet?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST

    WTF? There are going to be TOYS for this movie?

    by Cotton McKnight

    Michael Bay is such a corporate hack.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Transformers

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    Deja Vu, 99 or 2000, when they released the promotional images for X-Men I read a talk back very similar to this one right here.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    My Ass Smells

    by ekocher

    umm...they...are...aliens....

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Allspark

    by The Chemist

    So have they ditched "Energon Cube"? The Starscream packaging talks about the hunt for the Allspark, which is a much better name.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:20 p.m. CST

    stf UP!

    by mistergreen

    if they made what we saw as kids into a movie it would completely suck... and the protoforms in the cartoon was just a pyramid for starscream and his pals.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:24 p.m. CST

    i wish the new transformer toy were made out of metal

    by mistergreen

    the plastic look suck.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Damn you enter key.

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    dammit....anyways, don't forget that the toys came first in teh original cartoon, not the cartoon then the toys. Transformers is base on a series of transforming robots mainly from the Dynaclone toy line that were vehicles with metal pieces, came with little plastic men with magnets on their feet so they could walk on various partsof the robot. This si why Gen 1 transformers had little cockpits and things with no figures, which puzzled me until I found this out. THe other toy line they ripped off was the Micronauts, they had actual sized robots that hid temselves as microscopes, radios (soundwave) and pistols (megatron, of which there were actually five or six variations of). That's where we get Perceptor, Soundwave and Megatron vs the vehicles like Optimus, Sunstreaker, Jazz, Wheeljack, etc. All other designs after this, the ones made direct to market after the movie, were shitty pieces of plastic crap. Whay Bay seems to be attempting at least to emulate is actual alien beings, that had a reason to transform (the protoforms, so they could land on earth) that could masquerade as things we wouldn't notice, equivalent to their size (like say a big ass truck with gay flames). So it does make sense....just it's hard to stomach. Alot of people are hung up on Optimus because he was iconic in our 80s era, but Bay is trying to appeal to the masses, not to us. How many jackass teensomethings would be confused as to the original designs just not making sense vs these big ass robots that look like aliens that transform to be in disguise. I don't like it, but I can agree with it. Also, the designs seem to be mirroring popular anime proportions, which will also hit big in that market. Calm down, big robots, Peter Cullen, big robots, explosions, and Steven Spielberg. Don't judge it until you see it...

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:29 p.m. CST

    they arrived on earth as metallic turds?

    by alienindisguise

    Wow! All the designers on this project should have their balls kicked into their sphincter. WORST DESIGNS EVER!!!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Where is the guy that always screams:

    by TraumReiter

    "Damn you Michael Bay!"? I like the idea of a different design before coming to earth. Makes sense in a way. After we've seen the first Transformer in action I will tell you if I like the design or not. For now, I just shut up.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    BWAHAHAHA!

    by johnnykool

    My browser isn't translating the words on the above link, so everything in Japanese is a question mark. It's funny as fuck because at first I thought they were even more confused than we are! First post: "??????" Second post: "????~~/???" Third post: "???? ? ???~??~/~???" HAHAHA! Brilliant! Oh, and FUCK YOU MICHAEL BAY. :)

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Pics of original Transformers

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    Shit, my bad, it's DIACLONE: http://www.geocities.com/futuristgroup/vdiaclone.html

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Wikipedia source for original TFs, including commercial

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaclone

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:49 p.m. CST

    THE REAL CYBERTRONIAN MODES

    by BRUTICUS

    http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=89

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:50 p.m. CST

    THE REAL CYBERTRONIAN MODES

    by BRUTICUS

    http://www.seibertron.com/cartoons/image.php?image_id=89 This is what starscream transformed into on cybertron in the cartoon. Imagine how cool they could look in live action.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST

    THE REAL CYBERTRONIAN MODES

    by BRUTICUS

    ok, try this link: http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/episodes/ep01/mtmte089.jpg

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Yes Damn You Michael Bay for trying to be original

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    Why not rip off some existing Japanese toylines like the original cartoon did. I mean we have Diaclone, Micronauts, hell even Robotech (Jetfire). Why try something original? Why not appeal to the small demogrpahic that wants to you rape Japan's childhood further and throw some yugioh crap in there! Come on! It's not hard with the booming anime market right now! Make Optimus in Full Metal Alchemist, that's what your predecesors did before you! Stop being original! People love George Lucas, remakes, and all the other bullshit video game adaptations Hollywood shoves down our throats. Damn you.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    It has fucking toes, is it supposed to be an alien?

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    No shit, ya think?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I'm getting Masters of the Universe vibes.

    by Power_Girl

    It's true! and they are some shitty looking toys.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:24 p.m. CST

    So much fun

    by NYSCO6390

    watching this astrotrain-wreck take form, and watching the apologists say that we're judging it on nothing and we should give it a chance. What are we basing that chance on, good faith? That everything that's come out of this movie so far has sucked the big one? Michael Bay and Don Murphy's wonderful attitudes and track records? Hell, I thought for a long time that if nothing else, Speilberg would be able to hop in there and say "Woah now, fellah, this is some mighty steamy crap you're putting my name on" Now I just see it's another cheap moneymaker to get the masses into the theater with substandard crap for $10 a pop, and even Speilberg can't stop the machine. And whoever said that the hardcore folks will still go see it even when they say they won't? I sure as hell won't be watching it in a theater. I'd rather give the illegal bootlegger or HBO my money than Michael Bay.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah,

    by NYSCO6390

    and those things look like they transform just by folding their arms and legs back. You're really breakin' some ground there, pally.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Laziest Toys Ever.

    by Squashua

    Just tuck in the head and bend the legs back. I transform into a giant robot turd! No imagination necessary!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Commence Operation: Incessant Bitching

    by googamooga

    Good God, what a bunch of pussies you all are. This movie will rock your balls off. 9 months from now you'll all be saying how awesome this movie is and you'll all deny you were ever one of the fanBOI haters. Fucking fags.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    omg! this make me horny!

    by Orionsangels

    http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5193/ooohlalaxz0.jpg

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    omg! this make me horny!

    by Orionsangels

    http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5193/ooohlalaxz0.jpg

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    omg! this make me horny!

    by Orionsangels

    http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/5193/ooohlalaxz0.jpg

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST

    You first, Yackbacker...

    by googamooga

    Well...., you offered...

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    No I need a fucking hug Yackbacker

    by Ricky Henderson

    and you fucking know why...

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Why so blue panda bear?

    by TheJake

    Pfft. Whatev. LAME LAME LAME LAME LAME! Why even bother calling it Transformers if the story and characters bear absolutely no resemblance to the original? Oh wait, I know... MONEY. You ain't gettin a penny from me you lame ass hacks. That is, unless you start selling transforming nachos at Taco Bell.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Operation: Incessant Bitching a resounding success!

    by googamooga

    Good job, you whiney ass bitches. See you opening day.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Looks absolutely fine to me.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I mean, these are the "protoforms", right? What the fook do I care about their Cybertronian form? They're only gonna look like that for about 5.2 seconds anyway. And for the first time ever, Starscream actually looks decent now. I can dig it. MOVE ON PEOPLE.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Yes. It is the "Allspark"...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and not the "Energon Cube". If any of you so-called "Transfans" paid attention to the Official Site, you would know this already! Sheesh. ;)

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Bay isn't doing anything the first movie didn't do

    by Pete_Da_Geek

    The first movie did exactly the same thing, got rid of the old toyline so they could insert a mess of new ones into the mix. Original? They were ripped off from Japan, they were not original, we raped their childhood first. Don't like the designs? Don't see it. I commend Bay in a way for trying to make rational sense of the whole TF universe. It's the characters, not the designs that will emulate the story. You got Prime, you got Cullen, and you have someone trying to update and extremely dated cartoon toy commercial into a mainstream movie. If you like the originals so much, buy the fucking DVDs. Watch the original movie (which is flawless despite You Got The Touch). We already have a G1 movie. Time for an update. No more fucking remakes.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 7:50 p.m. CST

    bay isnt even as cool as ed wood was

    by Zatoichis Glasses

    and it might actually be the worst movie ever.(and thats fuckin saying somthing in this day and age) ill see it to laugh my ass off. whats next Mr.Bay, furbies you say? autobots all have frozen bannana treats? why the fuck not right? hes a fuckin animal watch out!! hell put tribal barb wire decals all over your ass!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    an unpopular way of thinking

    by Jme

    Uh...has anyone entertained the notion that the movie might not be all that bad? TRANSFORMERS or not, live-action giant robot movies are fun.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 8:26 p.m. CST

    do we know if the pictures from before

    by FrodosBlueBalls

    are the protoform versions, which would explain the wierd and unfamiliar look, or are they for certain the earth forms? maybe this whole time the pictures that sucked were not the final earth design, but really they are waiting to release the pics from the earth mode transformers. I don't know, i'm just thinking out loud here.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    what the heck, it's just a movie

    by Deadwood Dan

    Whatever. They're just toys. It'll be interesting to see them in action thoguh.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST

    This is how Transformers would be...

    by undeadmike

    if it would be like the G1 series: - No matter how much the Transformers shoot at each other, they would never ever be scratched. They could destroy everything else...tanks, houses, everything...just not each other. - No matter what Megatron would do to rule the world and get his Energon Cubes...Starscream would screw it up. Rarely would the Autobots save the day without the Decepticons actually messing it up for themselves. - Starscream and his buddies would transform into F-15 fighter jets. Very realistic...I doubt kids nowadays does even know what a F-15 is. - Bumblebee would transfrom into a VW beetle... where would he scan one? A museum? A lost hippie camp? - Soundwave would transform into a giant tape deck. Very realistic and original... On a sidenote:Bay could have landed a huge marketing deal if he would have put him into the movie and have him be an IPod. - Megatron would be a giant (sometimes floating) pistol... which would then all of a sudden be small enough to fit into one of his cronies hands. Yeah, right... - Prime's Trailer would magically disappear and appear out of nowhere, everytime he transforms. I find it really funny how some of you complain about a destroyed childhood. Get a life. If your childhood depends on a cheap 80's cartoon series, then nobody can help you.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Megatron

    by Ironmuskrat

    Just as long as the Megatron toy is metal and transforms into a pistol like it did back in the day, so I can pistol whip my little sister and be grounded for two weeks.. ah those where the days..

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Looking More and More Like...

    by HaveCameraWillTravel

    Shogun Warriors. Makes me wonder if the makers of the movie and the new toys are waxing nostalgic over the wrong robot toys.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST

    bionicle sucks

    by El Borak

    where are the transformers? this movie is going to the be the high-water mark for shitty, nerd-scarring movies.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Gundam and Transformers

    by Ikaruga

    The G1 Tranformers seemed to have a lot of similar head designs as Gundam Mobile suits. Does anyone know if the same artists worked on both ? It seems like G1's Optimus Prime looks VERY similar to many Gundams.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    I would call for reason,

    by flamingeyebrows

    but that's a rare creature in the world of talkback. 1) Protoform! meaning they stay on screen for 30 seconds top. 2) The alternateforms make sense since they need to enter the atmosphere in this. Also they'd look like meteorites to those who see them from afar. 3) They design are half decent at worst. In countless talkbacks we have established that you guys are not going to get the transformer movies you wanted as a child. And I for one think it's idiotic to hope for the boxy designs and cheesy dialogs. SO why are we still hang up on how they are not sticking to the original? 4 and off topic) Who vote what for the dialogue contest? Even tho i am looking forward to the movie, I think people should vote for realy stupid line so we can snigger as the scriptwriters attempt to slot them into the movie. I for one favour 'It's prime-time!'

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST

    After hearing about the

    by U.R.ALL HARRYSDINGGINLEBERRIES

    After hearing about the story and now seeing some characters & these Proto toy photos I think that if I have a nightmare durring a fever of robots they would look beter, Hell even a 8 year old Eskomo can come up with beter desin then these wana-be Gundam - Beast war Rip Offs. one year from now they will be selling them for a 1$.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST

    The original transformers are too boxy!

    by Orionsangels

    Boxy arms. boxy thiighs and feet. boxy chest. how do you transform boxes into a car? Without having to morph. I think in the movie they went for a more realistic form that can embrace it's counterpart more easily.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay = Apollo's Fatsuit

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Besides, isn't that someone else's schtick?

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Everything is a compromise with this movie.....

    by BRUTICUS

    The Matrix..isn't good enough to be the matrix so they renamed it to the Allspark. Soundwave wasn't good enough to be Soundwave so they renamed him to Blackout and named another character who wasn't good enough to be named Soundwave so they changed it AGAIN to Frenzy. Optimus Prime was too good to be GEORGE CLOONEY so they casted PETER CULLEN. And Dane Cook is too much of an unfunny tool to be in a blockbuster movie so they gave him the shaft.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Transformers: Battle of the Rock Lords

    by Nick Michalak

    This movie is gonna suck so hard Michael Bay will have to pay US to see it! Seriously, I don't mind updating designs and going in a new direction, but nothing here is recognizble to the Transformers brand. That's very sad considering how much Transformers there is out in the world to adapt and expand upon. I'll be superbly happy with the new special edition DVD from Sony next month, and that's all I'll want. -NJM

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST

    wow. . .holy crap

    by darkslab

    it is truly amazing how rude and evil people can be to each other over this movie. i think that is what shocks me the most about all these designs/leaks and so forth. the amount of simple hostility it creates. i think, this is something that has been taken FAR too seriously.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 10:28 p.m. CST

    I have Megatron

    by zabbadoo

    in the original packaging, I have, in my time, owned every single G1 transfomer, I've followed everything for years, and this movie is something I've been wanting to see since I was 10, and I think that most of you fucks need to get some fucking perspective. If Micheal Bay's goal was to "rape your childhoods" then Peten Cullen would not be the voice of Optimus Prime. Peter Cullen as the voice of Optimus Prime is ALL YOU FUCKING NEED TO KNOW. Til all are one, bitches.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    For all the lovers

    by NYSCO6390

    Have fun on opening day. All alone. PS If you wanted to update this, make Megatron a Glock 18 with stock and drum clip. http://tinyurl.com/p7rl6 You could even use the stock with a silencer on another model of Glock. Make Starscream the F22 which has all of maybe 3 points of difference from an F15 (wing shape, jet intake shape, tailfin shape) and could easily leave Starscream's robot form almost unchanged. You do clever stuff like that and it works. You do uninspired crap, and you get Nipples on Batman. Could this movie be good just because it's big robots blowing each other up, sure. But it wouldn't be a Transformers movie, so why bother calling it that? 'Nuff said.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    PRAISE YOU MICHAEL BAY! PRAISE YOU MICHAEL BAY!

    by moto

    The trailer is going to come and and it is going to frickin' knock your socks off. Just frickin' wait. That would be hilarious. But you'd still bitch if it is not spot on perfect. Talkbackers have pissed and moaned about the most minute details... various images here and there. Concept drawings. Look at the concept drawings of some of Star Wars (New Hope)... terrible. You've read a severely dated script online. Various set images of models lying on the ground. That's pretty much it. How can you NOT think that you sound like a fool when you piss and moan about something you haven't even seen??? Everything you've seen here at AICN is so subjective. Wait for the trailer AT LEAST... I can't say it enough! You guys are making fools of yourselves and AICN's "stock" has really dropped in the last six years because of YOU. There was a small time when studios paid attention to what AICN said... not anymore. I applaud Bay and Spielberg for not sticking to the source material 100%. WHY?!? Because it was a cheesy 80s cartoon. Go revisit it. The designs of the robots were blocky and plain, the stories were terrible, etc. And I'm a HUGE Transformers fan!! I applaud them for taking it to the next level! I can't say it's going to be the best movie ever. I would never do that BECAUSE I HAVEN'T EVEN FUCKING SEEN IT YET! So you KNOW how stupid, petty, and pathetic it sounds when you guys are pissing and moaning about nothing. You HAVE TO know that! It's so simple: See the movie, and then judge. Problem with the internet era is that it has created this black and white world. In both movies and especially politics. At AICN you can't really hear anyone say "Yeah, it was a fun movie and I enjoyed it, but this is what I didn't like about it..." Nope. Now it's "THEY RAPED MY CHILDHOOD BECAUSE SOUDWAVE WASN'T A TAPE RECORDER AND OPTIMUS PRIME HAD FLAMES ON HIS TRUCK!!" The internet has KILLED the primal response we used to have back in the 80s and well before that. Movies like STAR WARS, E.T., etc. just wouldn't have had the success if they came out nowadays. BUT, the only hope right now is that AICN talkbackers and internet junkies alike represent a VERY small demographic. THANK GOD! It was proven in SERENITY and it was proven in SNAKES ON A PLANE... both were praised and hyped by you people. Stop being so fuckin' selective. Remember a long time ago, before the internet, when you had an open mind and imagination???? Remember? PRAISE YOU MICHAEL BAY! For taking a chance and taking it to the next level. Hopefully you didn't fuck it up... but we'll ALL have to wait and see before we can pass ANY validated judgement.

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 11:08 p.m. CST

    This is total BS!

    by waaaaaah

    Because when Optimus transforms, giant child hands should come from the sky and snap on the hands or my childhood is raped...AND Megatron should be a 6" tall pistol fighting a full size semi-tractor trailor! and the logos will probably look 'painted' on...they should be GIANT STICKERS, that peel off by the end of the movie, because of too much transforming!!! Actually giant black stickers that reveal if they are good or bad when they are heated up by your fingers!! Even if BumbleBee is a camaro, his head better still be concealed in his back-end by a giant silver square hatch!...and Soundwave BETTER have mini-cassette tapes! not be an MP-3 player with F$%$ing transforming Memory Cards! Optimus better be a damn 1980 Semi too! And if that little orange mother Huffer work truck is in it, even though it and Optimus are really large trucks it better be 1/5 his size! Michael Bay youuuu sonuvabitch!!!!!

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Protoforms! Let's sell action figures.

    by Orionsangels

    Gorilla Alien, remember that? lol. I can't wait for the Iron Man movie and his ten costumes. Plasma Suit Iron Man. ProtoArmor Iron Man. Ballerina Suit Iron Man

  • Oct. 21, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST

    New Transformer toys = Flames on Optimus

    by Veraxus

    You know it in your heart to be true.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Transformers Movie Haters = Miniscule Genitalia

    by googamooga

    You know it in your heart to be true.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:31 a.m. CST

    Will Omega Supreme

    by INWOsuxRED

    still be an inconspicuous rocket ship surrounded by a tank on a train track? If not, Michael Bay raped my childhood. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Solution

    by S-Mart shopper

    all the tb'ers should put their money together and start a production company and put an end to all this "childhood rape"! It'll start with live action Thundercats, silverhawks, he-man, gi joe, smurfs, monchichis, care bears all that early 80's shit that only lasted 1-2 seasons on its original run. yeah i know some of that shit lasted longer but my point is calm the fuck down children. the shit they're doing sucks balls but nothing will be done about it so breath.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Wow

    by greenhooktom

    Only from the mind of Michael Bay could the protoforms be giant dildos. A-fucking-mazing.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by S-Mart shopper

    and fuck you Bay, I hope you choke on those proto toys while you're sucking on them like it's don murphy's no talent sclong!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST

    Fuck you all

    by Poopoodio

    Waah waah waah. If changing how some cartoon robots look is 'raping your childhood', you, and possibly your family, deserve to die of painful, lengthy brain cancer. If they'd kept the look of the original 1984 (or whenever it was) cartoon, it would have been risible. Stupid basement scum.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:06 a.m. CST

    Yeh the Transformers look like shit.

    by hiperaktiv

    Should have kept the designs to the original cartoon. These look like ugly generic POS.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:13 a.m. CST

    I Think it looks cool...considering....

    by TheMackenzie

    That they are the Transformers before they take there 'earth look'. Anyone remember the first episode of Transformers, and they are flying around Cybertron looking all alien, think in that context the look works. Good Job Mike.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Honestly...

    by fliwheel

    From what's been "leaked," or presented online; the designs are horrendous. I think it's possible that this movie may not suck, but given all the negative feedback I'm not sure that the movie can overcome the preset fan overtones. The most worrisome aspect of this whole situation is that the studio doesn't seem to care. The studios should have learned their lesson with Superman Returns. From online fan reactions you could project the mediocre box office results before Superman was even released. Transformers is shaping up within the same manner. Hence I'm sure some people who hate the movie concept will see the movie on opening week, but strong ticket sell require repeat business. I doubt anyone here will see the movie more than once. Thus this movie is guaranteed to have an okay to great opening weekend, but it will fade quickly and I doubt the movie will break even so I would rest assured frustrated fans the studio will get its due. Regarding the people who complain about theses negative talk back for this movie; they need to understand that even though we haven't seen a movie or a trailer, we know what shit looks like. Consider that most fans understand the need for change when converting media to the big screen. There's loyal change, done right - like Spiderman. Then there bad change - Batman Forever. Good change is simple to procure - you just follow the source material as was done with Harry Potter, Lord of the Rings, and Spiderman. Bad change is just lazy un-imaginative people doing what they do best - fucking things up. This movie is shaping up to be a picture perfect example of bad change. It is obvious what these changes mean; it's a big Fuck You from the studio to fans. The fans who made this media attractive (to the studio to begin with) by buying the comics, watching the show, and so forth. In return we are repaid with flames on Optimus. That's bullshit. There's no reason for that crap. Any true G1 fan would agree, anyone who disagree is just creating studio propaganda.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Not all that bad

    by RMcD3

    I certainly like this version of Starscream a lot more than the top-heavy gorilla version of him that's been floating around.. Optimus' new look is growing on me too.. I guess the root of the whole redesign thing is that what works in animation (big flat surfaces, bold primary colours) doesn't necessarily work in film, where you need to convey scale through detail.. Still willing to reserve judgement until I see a robot form from the movie in context (still or moving)..

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:44 a.m. CST

    What's the spoiler?

    by OneintenMan

    That this will be shit? Because, really, I think we know that by now.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:26 a.m. CST

    You know what is really, really ironic?

    by smackfu

    Is that these 'Protoforms' actually look like they transform into what they transform into. I mean I can easily identify where most major parts of the robot come from the vehicle. Whereas with the 'earth vehicle' forms, you're lucky if you can find a single square ft of identifiable vehicle in their robot forms, and every square ft of the robot form has at least 4 pointy potruberances sticking out in all directions that look like they could not have possibly come from the vehicle. How is it that michael bay's design team are such useless fucking douchebags that they actually made the earth vehicle versions of the Transformers look more alien and unidentifiable than the protoform versions? I mean what kind of an asshole is this guy anyway?

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:34 a.m. CST

    to underscore this point

    by smackfu

    when I saw this headline I thought it was refering to the earth vehicle designs, and I thought 'how is it even possible that they can make transformable toys out of those designs?' Because really, they can't. How do you make a toy where even the fucking *shins* of the robot have 100 tiny slivers of vehicle exterior pointing out in all dirctions? The only way they can do it, is to *redesign* the toy versions into designs that actually can transform into the vehicle, and *those* will actually look the way we want them to look in the movie. THAT is how much of an asshole Michael Bay is.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:49 a.m. CST

    designs..

    by BRIT

    maybe one reason why they redesigned the living shit out of these things is that every other 3dsmax user has made a photoreal version at home of the original design, not to mention the car ads with the dancing robot. Joe public IS dumb enough to think the movie had ripped off the adverts - do you wnat your audience saying, "Oh, that looks just like that car advert, what was that for, should we get one of those dear, need more space for golf clubs..." in the middle of the big TRANSFORM moment. Just a thought. (still look like shit tho)

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:59 a.m. CST

    All in all... Would rather have a live action ROBOTECH

    by Negative Man

    No message. That is all.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 7:14 a.m. CST

    This "Make Prime Speak Bollocks"

    by tolomey

    ok, i know this isn't really the right place to be talking about this, but i have been looking on the website for the reults for this contest and "Do a barrell roll" is winning by a long way? WTF does that have to do with transformers, it is it some comedy catchphrase that hasn't made it to the uk yet?

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 7:47 a.m. CST

    LET's FIND SOMETHING THAT BAY AND SPEILBERG LIKE...

    by davidlyons

    and completely piss all over it like this youtube.com lethal messiah part 15

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Do A Barrell Roll

    by The Chemist

    Isn't that from Starfox on the N64? The one about pretzels making Prime thirsty must win.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Don Murphy: Megatron's head to be redesigned

    by Free Squares

    http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=8657 Due to fan pressure. Apparently.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    A Transformers thread has been up for several

    by CreasyBear

    hours, and the post-count isn't up to 5,000 yet? I'm ashamed of some of you.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Don Murphy once again calls AICN "Ain't It Shit"!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    BOARD WARS, COMMENCE! Oh, about those toy prototypes / mockups, whatever they are? I never saw an episode of Transformers, I don't care about the cartoon, I have lukewarm interest in Bay's film, but even I have to say that these things look damn weird and very unappealing.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    A total lack of brain usage

    by NiknakSS

    I read a lot of talkbacks here, and have for a long time. there was once a glorious age when you could come here, and get to read well thought out posts about subjects that were of interest to you. a few others on this thread have made similar posts that i am making now. the point is, there is far to much speculative bitching about the slightest little thing. it is a talkback, and whatever your opinion is, you are free to have it. in fact, it is imperative to voice the negative, in order to affect some change, or at least warn people. however, how many of these people who ENDLESSLY bitch about almost everything have been on the "inside" of any of these productions. none of you. otherwise, you would not be talkbacking, you would be posting your own articles. as for TF, i lived it as a kid, and grew up with it. yeah, i was born in the 70s and am that old. since those days, every few years i would would happen across a new version of TF on tv, and think to myself, oh, this sucks! my initial reaction was always, this is not my TF. i think the same thing happened to Superman. (costume and character development-wise) recently TF has become a CG cartoon, and i have to tell you, it sucks more than anything i have seen people complain about here. no one has seen clip one of this film. no one really knows what any of it will look like. could it all suck? sure. could it be cool? sure. but you haters just cannot get over the fact that it is not what you want. boo hoo. and for all of your hate spewing, i have YET to see one of you haters RESPOND to a well thought out post, or come to think of it, ever even come of with a well thought out hate post. do AICN a favor, if you hate, have a valid and lucent reason for it. know what the hell you are talking about, and make a point. then, maybe the studios will take your hate to heart and make changes.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    This is how I look at it...

    by sithlard

    ...Basically, this is not G1 Transformers. But nor is it G2, G3 or G4. It's taking ideas from the earlier cartoons (probably not just from G1) and creating a new take on the Transformers universe. Folks, this is G5. Transformers has undergone many changes and drafts with each new series. This is just the next change. The next generation. Accept it. Think of it that way, and you may appreciate this film better. I know how much the originals mean to everyone. I was born in 1980, and grew up with these. I own the entire G1 series on Chinese bootlege DVD. But not for a moment did I think they'd just put what was in G1 on film. Most of it would translate very silly. I'd rather have them do what they are doing and make it translate well to film. Sure, they could've kept the original designs for the robots and made it work. But personally, I think that if you did not see the original cartoon until AFTER you saw this new movie, you'd look at the cartoon and say, "What the heck were they thinking back in the 80s?! What's up with these cheesy, blocky, bell-bottom robots? Why does Megatron turn into a gun? That's stupid?!" And on and on and on. Just because it is change, doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not what you grew up with. I think that if no one saw the originals, they'd love these designs. They are actually better designs in my opinion. And personally, I think Optimus emmulates what he looked like in the originals in his earth form. Just better.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Nothing would suck worse than to be Michael Bay

    by alienindisguise

    except maybe to be George Lucas. I don't care how much money they've got, it would be hard to ignore the fact that you've pissed off millions of people with your bullshit shenanigans!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Damn you MCMLXXVI

    by Michael Bay

    Damn you MCMLXXVI

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS follows T2 PARADIGM... and fliwheel

    by moto

    Basically the core stoy of this Transformers flick is going to follow the paradigm of T2. You could tell even in the early draft of the script that is online. Normal kid destined to go nowhere finds his true destiny as he finds himself in the middle of this Transformers war (i.e. Terminator vs. resistance war). That's a great paradigm to follow. Sure, on paper the idea of some smart ass kid being the focal point of a Terminator movie sounded LAME. BUT, it worked once the final product came out. THAT is what Bay and Spielberg are clearly shooting for. T2 rather than E.T. And "fliwheel"... regarding your well written and thought out point (a surprise here at AICN) about the negative reaction to the movie thus far, I have to say that the internet community does not make that much of a dent. Tbers love to use Superman Returns as an example that they somehow effected the success of that film or lack thereof. Not so. The general audience as well as the film market nowadays (most people op to wait for DVD rather than spend $20 each person at the theater) made that film into a subpar performer. It wasn't the action packed slam bang zoom that offers repeat performances. The studio learned their lesson, as did Bryan Singer, and you can bet that the sequel will focus on the action and spectacle moreso and that SR2 will be much more successful. So in short, fanbase did not make that movie tumble, and the fanbase will not make Transformers tumble. THE FINISHED PRODUCT will. If it's a fun action packed movie with kickass special effects, it will KILL at the box office. The trailer is going to be key. If people get the WOW factor going when they see that transformation, then you can bet people will be in the seats. You CAN'T judge a movie on concept art. It's ridiculous. And you can't judge a movie on stills from the production. We haven't even seen the Transformers in action or transforming. Until then, TBers rants are without any merit. Just like if I said the movie was going to be cool as hell and become the top grossing movie of the year. I can't say that because I haven't seen it.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Ah, so we buy 2 toys instead of 1...I see.

    by Barney Hood

    I mean kids do, ahem.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Anyone get the new CLASSIC figs?

    by dead youngling

    I've got Rodimus, Starscream, and Bumblebee, but they're still in their packages--and yes, I will take them out. Anyone have Optimus or Megs? Any other comments about the figures? WHY IN THE HELL COULDN'T THEY HAVE USED THE MOLDS FROM THESE FIGURES?!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Ermm, Protoforms Got Toes??!???!!!

    by Cold Winter Wind

    Just askin'.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    forget faithfulness - these things just look bad

    by FuriousStyles

    half of what made TF great in the first place was their look and what they transformed into - why not use the great Cybertron mode that Starscream had in the first place? that was alien enough, right? (thats for the 'fans' here who forget that the TFs weren't Earth vehicles before getting to Earth - good work jackasses)........all this useless discarding of iconic design is all just to suit Bay's ego - seems he was so keen to make sure it wasnt just a toy commercial that he's turned it into a General Motors commercial instead...........genius!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Well, welcome to the new AICN, NiknakSS.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Where childhoods are "raped", hateful speculation passes as well informed critique, and TalkBackers try to claim moral superiority by blacklisting each other into convenient political categories. It's a hoot!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    whiners who whine about whiners

    by chiahead

    stfu already. sheesh. you want the die hard fans to stop bellyaching? well I want YOU to stop bellyaching about the bellyaching. Stop calling my kettle black you stupid potheads! <br><Br> meanwhile, these toys totally suck, anyone who thinks Michael Bay doesn't have control over stuff like this underestimates the obscene need for corporate america to place all their bets on the ability of one person, and someone who thinks this is a lame ass property and its fans should just be thankful it's getting a movie at all should consider the context that this property was chosen over Gundam, over Voltron, over Robotech/Macross, over Gobots over Mighty Orbots, over Mazinger/Tranzor Z, over a million other giant warring robot franchises which were hugely popular in both Asia and the United States. So why the hell <bold>shouldn't</bold> we be upset that it's getting so severely hatchet jobbed?

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    my dog poop out part of my optimus prime once

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    it was pretty cool. And Yes, it looked better than those toys look.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    "pooped"

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

    not "poop"

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Why couldn't they just follow the Pat Lee designs???

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    F*ckin A Speilberg. Suck a fat one Murphy. Way to screw it up again Bay!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Thank You Mr. Bay!!

    by Redbox

    For turning Optimus into just another Robotech, Gundam, generic robot. Thanks. PS "The Island" was worst than "Ishtar" meets "Battle Field Earth."

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    STOP TALKING ABOUT ROBOTECH!

    by INWOsuxRED

    at least don't talk about it in a forum Michael Bay might read. Don't give that fucker any ideas! If he isn't stopped, he'll rape our childhoods again! Also, Robotech should be a TV series. Give technlology a few more years to be able to handle it, and let them do it on TV where the characters have time to develop and the story can be rolled out slowly.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Not cool looking no matter what movie it is...

    by Nodwick

    Those are just lame-looking by any stretch of the imagination. And the metal turds they have on their backs in "robot mode" just clinch the deal.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Your childhoods were asking for it.

    by zabbadoo

    Lookin' all sexy wearing those tight, shiny layers of batshit crazy nostalgia.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Some...

    by Grrrr....

    ...of you people should get a frieken life! Jeez... You would swear it's the end of the world if you read some of your posts! IT'S A MOVIE BASED ON A TOYLINE YOU IDIOTS!!!! Now have a good day children...

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Don't you see? These designs are genius!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Anything "robotic" that follows this movie (Gundam, Robotech, Evangelion, etc.) will look like a Transformers rip-off. Ah, the people behind this film are two steps ahead of you on this one. ;-)

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Not a huge transformers fan...

    by Johnno

    Hardy watched the show because it wasn't really playing on any channel near me, but liked the toys. Why will I see this movie? It's because I want to see GIANT ROBOTS KICK THE SHIT OUT OF EACH OTHER AND BLOW STUF UP IT AN ORGY OF DESTRUCTION IN A DOWNTOWN METROPOLITAN CITY WITH THE MILITARY FRANCTICALLY GETTING THEIR ASSES HANDED TO THEM WHILE TRYING TO GET A HOLD OF WHAT EXACTLY IS GOING ON HERE IN THE EXPLOSIVE WAY THAT I CAN TRUST MICHAEL BAY TO DELIVER!!! But I can symphatise with the fans... EAtierh way, this movie is sure to be a winner with the only one whose opinion matters... M,E!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    The Hollywood-look

    by PUGLIFE

    Is there one guy who designs shit like this? I'm looking at these toys, and I'm thinking "this just feels so disturbingly familiar." It has that depressing Hollywood-look. I just don't understand why they had to change their looks. The only reason this movie got made is because people loved Transformers in the 80s. That's the only reason at all... and they're fucking over all of those fans. Yes, this is just Transformers. But people love them and still Hollywood found a way to fuck even that up. How hard is it to transfer classic robot designs to the big screen? It's just so utterly pointless. They always need to change shit

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    just a question for anyone that wants to answer

    by southafrican

    but what is so wrong with the script? I grew up with the transformers and consider myself a fan, in particular i always loved the movie as a kid. And i am no real fan of Michael Bays movies (im more of a James Cameron, Sam Raimi, Peter Jackson kinda guy) With that in mind, I have just recently read the script and was actually very pleasantly suprised. That is not to say it and does n't have its weakness's (simplistic story and cliched characters hello!!!), but it read like a typical episode of the cartoon show writ large (and lets keep in mind we are talking about saterday morning cartoon show here). And i thought it introduced and set up the transformers universe for a (and this is key) general mainstream audiance. The action set pieces were quite solid and i have to admit i think Bay could pull these off so that they are very entertaining (i think action is one of his few strong points). There seems to be a very 'Spielburg' feel of the ordinary and extraordinary meeting to sam and mikaela's first encounter and intoduction to the Autobots that could work well depending on how Bay handles it. And best of all is the way the script sets up sequels *SPOILER WARNING* WITH Optimus Prime standing on the top of mount everest sending out a signal for all surviving Autobots to find their way to Earth*END SPOILER*. Though i do have to say that Megatron is not well handled. I dont know it just seems like a lot of these fans are 'purists' that are not going to be pleased unless this movie was a complete translation of a now dated cartoon show. As i said i am no real fan of Bay but i think they have made changes and updates to the transformers to make it appeal to a general mainstream audiance. A movie like this is simply too expensive to make to cater to a relatively small diehard fanbase, sorry guys but that is the reality.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Has anybody even bothered to note...

    by jameskpolk

    The original Transformers cartoon was five different kinds of lame, a show designed as a 30 minute toy commercial, and was a knockoff of better stuff like Voltron and Japanese stuff not being shown here at the time? If the new version is lame, and amounts to a 2 hour toy commercial, then it looks to me like they've done what they intended to do.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    I'm Back

    by Phategod1

    More Transformer news on AICN must have been low on traffic. Let start of buy say I love all whiners who whine about whiners who whine about the whiners your my heroes. as for the apologist and morons suck a fatty. So let me get this right before they come to earth they transform into meteors or trains it makes sense that they have different forms on cybertron but space travel without a ship is retarded for most of the transformers and what the purpose for making a toy baed on a form they'll be in for all of a few seconds Im so glad I decided not to pay to see this movie yes I will be pirating this yea I will be sneaking in the theaters No I will not be paying to this monstrosity but I will do all i can to make it a bigger failure. Viva la G1!!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Toy commercial? Sure, but with writing...

    by Nodwick

    Most of the toy commercial shows were Hasbro going to an animation company and saying "here's the toy. Make a show." The imagination that went into them was remarkable, given how draconian "branding" is these days. I'd add the Marvel Comics adaption of ROM:Spaceknight to successful "toy commercial" properties. Transformers evolved quite a bit, and featured the first "death" of characters I'd ever seen (the tomb of the Autobots was quite unexpected when I saw it as a kid). Now, I also watched Voltron. You've got to have quite a stilted view to compare the two, given the solution for every threat Voltron faced was to "form Blazing Sword" and cut the monster of the week in half down the middle. Most eps could have been done in five minutes if they'd just lept to that and spared us the five-panel views of everyone appearing to grunt and feel pain as Voltron got punched. And it's not like dialogue is any anime's strong suit, and the "chibi"-izing of half the show kind of ruins the cool factor ("Space Mice" anyone?).

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST

    At least I still have some of the old toys

    by DirkD13"

    I've given up on this now. Still holding out hope for a live action version of Jayce and the Wheeled Warriors.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    The kid in T2 worked, moto?

    by alienindisguise

    Edward Furlong couldn't act for shit and basically ruined that whole movie!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST

    I love the flames shooting out of the back of the alt

    by Kraken

    The alt mode flames shooting out of the back. That's awesome, because that part goes on their back in robot form... so does that mean that flame shoots out of their ass? Because that'd be awesome to see in the movie.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST

    I just want giant robots beating each other up" crap

    by FuriousStyles

    well if they'd kept something close to the classic and much loved original designs (and story etc) then we both would have been happy...........cos guess what, it would have still had giant fucking robots beating each other up.........you're happy becuase you're getting what you want, and TF fans however are unhappy becuase they're not getting what they've always wanted - a film based on Transformers!........does that make sense?

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Evangelon?

    by Nodwick

    I saw an episode of that at a con. The whole episode consisted of two teenage pilots, one male and one female, who get their asses kicked by some monster called an "Angel." After kicking their asses, the Angel just stands in the local harbor, waiting for these two knuckleheads to learn how to fight in their giant robots while listening to a cassette tape of classical music. Color me unimpressed and wondering what the writers were smoking.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    re: FuriousStyles

    by Kraken

    go rent Robot Jox.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    did michael bay even watch cartoons?

    by Bob C. Cock

    what a retard...

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST

    new color scheme...

    by bettabomb

    I think a whole lot of tension can be setteld just by simply changing the color schemes of these toys. They've already maintained elements from the originals in these new designs(I.E. the turbines on the chest and the wingtips on the ankles of Starscream and the "winshield" chestplate of Optimus), which I must say I like, but the gold and silver scheme makes them unrecognizable. So, I've gone and changed up their colors a bit in photoshop and I think the results speak for themselves. Take a look! http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/bettabomb/Optimus_movie_protoform_repaint.jpg http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e288/bettabomb/Starscream_movie_protoform_repaint.jpg

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:14 p.m. CST

    DANGIT!

    by bettabomb

    Try these instead: http://tinyurl.com/yfydp9 and http://tinyurl.com/ymze8y

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Robotech had cooler death scenes

    by darthSaul666

    My opinion for this film is completely indifferent. ( Which is to say I'd go see this film if the full length trailer looks cool enough )I grew up with the G1 line but I could care less about what they change/keep for this movie. Mainly because TF is, and always will be in my opinion, sheer kid's stuff. And let's face facts, everyone's griping over pictures of 2 toys. 2 toys from a film based around a toyline.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    typo

    by darthSaul666

    I mean "I couldn't care less"

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 7:09 p.m. CST

    It's nice to see...

    by Rakafraker

    ...a few people actually coming up with insightful, and even positive things to say for a change (other than the usual suspects. Of whom, one of the reasons I come here) even if they don't dig the whole premise of TF being TF'd (for better or worse). The extremists should relax. It's good to debate opinions of how it should be, but to get so wound up over a movie... COMEDY GOLD!!!

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Toys usually different from film

    by CAPN PICARD

    Imagine if you had judged the king kong design by it's insipid toys(worst in the history of toys?) Anyway if you want to bitch- how about the fact that there's a friggin billion spaceships in the starwars prequels and hardly any spaceship toys whatsoever. Keyword STAR wars. You know- as in something that flys among the stars and engages in war. In fact- everyone should channel all their hate and aim it at the makers of the prequel toys- they should be flogged for their insolence in not being able to create toys remotely as good as they made in the 70s

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 9:40 p.m. CST

    toys different than film

    by CAPN PICARD

    if you had seen the kong toys before kong you would have thought that he was made of hardened shit and designed by a retarded donkey

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST

    I have tried way too hard to

    by Staldo

    I have tried way too hard to like this film. Am I supposed to buy that Optimus, we're talking the Cybertronian, non-earth-influenced Optimus Prime, the greatest leader the Autobots and therefore possibly the universe has ever known...looks like that? Why the toes? did he evolve from a cyber lizard? The fact that he is almost indistinguishable from Starscream, or a fucking Go-Bot any number of generic Japanese Robots that have come out since that time makes it worse. Despite the ugly as hell vulture feet, these robots lack distinctiveness or any kind of memorable trait. I know these are supposed to be "sneak previews" and only hint at what will be seen in the movie, I can't help but feel like I'm in some horrid alternate dimension where a Challenge of the Gobots movie is being made.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:07 p.m. CST

    more than insults the eye

    by Staldo

    I have tried way too hard to like this film. Am I supposed to buy that Optimus, we're talking the Cybertronian, non-earth-influenced Optimus Prime, the greatest leader the Autobots and therefore possibly the universe has ever known...looks like that? Why the toes? did he evolve from a cyber lizard? The fact that he is almost indistinguishable from Starscream, or a fucking Go-Bot any number of generic Japanese Robots that have come out since that time makes it worse. Despite the ugly as hell vulture feet, these robots lack distinctiveness or any kind of memorable trait. I know these are supposed to be "sneak previews" and only hint at what will be seen in the movie, I can't help but feel like I'm in some horrid alternate dimension where a Challenge of the Gobots movie is being made.

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:08 p.m. CST

    *shite*

    by Staldo

    my shitty connection strikes again

  • Oct. 22, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    "did michael bay even watch cartoons?"

    by smackfu

    Nope. During the 80's Bay would have been sporting a white sport jacket with the sleeves rolled up to his elbows, a pink plastic tie and a coke-residue moustache. He was too busy being an asshole at parties he wasn't invited to, to waste his time watching silly cartoons.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    whiners here only

    by shall be1

    why is that only aintitcool have all the whiners for this movie, other prominant sites like siebertron.com twf05 and other site praise this movie evn desihngs

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST

    whiners here only

    by shall be1

    why is that only aintitcool have all the whiners for this movie, other prominant sites like siebertron.com twf05 and other site praise this movie evn designs

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    whiners here only

    by shall be1

    why is that only aintitcool have all the whiners for this movie, other prominant sites like siebertron.com twf05 and other sites actually in their talkbacks parise designs, is this movie is based in the real worlds O.P ,akes perfect sense to be a 378 peter, just drive beside one and then drive beside a flat nose and you will know what michael bay is doin.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    well...

    by Dollar Bird

    Let's be honest here, my friends. That Starscream actually looks better than the ape-looking one with gun-arms and 4-LOM's face that we saw a couple of months ago. Also, I read elsewhere that Megatron's really not-Megatrony head design had changed. For better or worse, I don't know. I still have little hope for this movie. Sometimes I feel like they're going to change a lot of what we've seen, like designs and that wretched script. But usually I get ready for the gut-punch of disappointed geekdom. I only hope that the filmmakers learn from their mistakes when they finally film "Golden Girls: the Motion Picture".

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 1:33 a.m. CST

    alienindisguise re:T2 KID WORKED? Um, yes it did...

    by moto

    $519,843,345 in world wide box office numbers NOT adjusted to inflation for Terminator 2 means that yes, the kid storyline in T2 DID work on a general audience basis. You may not have liked it, and I admit, his acting wasn't the best, but the general audience loved it and watched it numerous times. It's one of the best and most successful action/sci-fi movies ever, and yes... the focal point of the story revolved around a kid stuck in between the war of machines and humans.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Movies being made out of toys

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What has happened to the film industry? And how does Michael Bay continue to get work?

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Movies being made out of toys

    by kwisatzhaderach

    What has happened to the film industry? And how does Michael Bay continue to get work?

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST

    outta get me, they won't catch me

    by darthSaul666

    Change looks? G1, G2, Beast wars, Energon, etc.....whatever!!! like changing the TFs look hasn't happened many times over. I'll see this film for the FX....same reason I saw T2...forget the kid!!! ( I just saw T3, I thought it was cooler in the plot than the plot in T2 ) Besides TF the live action film ain't out yet..... how could you possibly know if you dislike it yet?

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Where did my last post go?

    by darthSaul666

    dohhhh!!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:20 a.m. CST

    once more

    by darthSaul666

    you apes

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST

    toys begat crappy tv show which begat crappy movie...

    by Zardoz

    which begat crappy toys...well, you see where I'm going with this...

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:24 a.m. CST

    I hope you enjoy this

    by darthSaul666

    this is a test to see if I'm still being hacked by a hack

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Fuck you

    by darthSaul666

    i have IT friends who will find you

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Fuck you

    by darthSaul666

    i have IT friends who will find you

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Sure Bay sucks...but Protoform means "before form"...

    by chopitlikeitshot

    Han Solo's head on a plate says that this is what they looked like on their home world. I'm sure they then adjust as they come to Earth in order to blend in better. Fuck, I can't STAND Michael Bay and can't believe I'm defending anything that has to do with him... but come on guys-- don't jump off the bridge due to this posting. Dare To Be Stupid!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Damn Limewire

    by darthSaul666

    fucking with my shit.. giving me nightmares

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Once again

    by darthSaul666

    Limewire is fucking with my playform......dohhhh

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:51 a.m. CST

    I'm here for time killing

    by darthSaul666

    between set time think about it

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    is this TB busy or what

    by darthSaul666

    yep

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 5:19 a.m. CST

    It has been said before... WHY DO THEY NEED TOES???

    by AGE IIX

    Those Designers will never work in this town again!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 5:58 a.m. CST

    Tacky merchandise. It has begun.

    by scrumdiddly

    Wait, there's a movie too? Who cares about that?!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Ask us!

    by Dazzler69

    I wish they would let people who actually would buy these collector items give some input before they make the toy. Sure they might be for kids but even kids have some standards also.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 7:37 a.m. CST

    I was never a huge Transformers fan...

    by abominate

    ...but I remember the cartoon from my pre-teen days, and those AIN'T Starscream and Optimus Prime. I guess they're trying to butch 'em up for the post-Milleniums. Well congratulations, they suck. Now I can understand they probably can't take the ol' red and blue prime I used to know and make him into a movie...Wait...why can't they?

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    re: Kraken, I was smoking crack when I wrote that post

    by FuriousStyles

    what I was trying to say was......"to all those who just want to see robots smashing each other, remember, we all could have been happy if only they just made those robots look like Transformers".............I personnaly loathe the arguement that mindless "big fucking" robots smashing each other will some how justify shithouse character design and basic dismissal of a massive part of the Transformers appeal - THEIR CLASSIC LOOK

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST

    This movie is so wierd

    by godzillasushi

    just the choices they have made. I dont get a lot of it, just baffles me. Like that pic, its not that the Transformers dont look bad, but are they all little space pods in the beginning? What child is going to want to play with a bunch of pods? Anyway, I half expected them to look like that I guess, after seeing the other stuff.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Unpopular opinion

    by WISEBLOOD

    But I'm glad they didn't hold slavishly to the OG style of robot or story. Don't get me wrong, I want to fist fight a fool because there wont be any Soundwave, but as for the designs, I am withholding judgement until I see them move and perform. Now, that said...ALLSPARK? What the hell is allspark?

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    moto

    by INWOsuxRED

    by your logic, fans loved Jar Jar Binks, because Phantom Menance made a ton of money.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    This film is Hitler

    by NightArrows

    Anyone who supports this movie, supports Hitler. Why you ask? It's simple<p>A long time ago, Hitler took a shit. From that shit spawned Michael Bay. Michael Bay's first words were "Awww hell no" and he turned around in his crib in slow mo while saying so.<p>So in closing, but even saying the designs look "kinda cool", you are really supporting Hitler by way of his shit, and you deserve to be rocketed into the Sun at top speed while getting anally raped by the Monster Tard in the Green Mile.<p>Go fuck a spider monkey, Bay and spare us any more of your fucking bullshit.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    rocklords return

    by Staldo

    I'd like to point out that the copy on the back of the bots' boxes says they transform into "entry mode" does that mean we are getting the first transforming dildos, ladies? It was bound to happen sometime.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    by shakermakerman

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dont know what to make of them.....

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    by shakermakerman

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dont know what to make of them.....

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

    by shakermakerman

    errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr dont know what to make of them.....

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Robot Chickens

    by Childe Roland

    I think it's funny that the transformers have bird feet here and, meanwhile, on the show named after a robot chicken, they are being portrayed as faithfully as possible in appearance with hilarious effect. Everyone should lighten up and appreciate the humor that is G1 Transformers. If this movie were a comedy, that would absolutely have been the way to go. But this movie was never intended to be a 100% faihful recreation of G1 characters or storylines. Bay never said that. Murphy never said that. A few fans of all things 80s (possessing no real familiarity with the constantly changing nature of character designs and the recycling of names within the long-lived-past-the-80s toyline) decided that was what this movie had to be and have claimed that any decision taking it in any other direction is a betrayal of all things transformers. I wonder if they realize how lame that sounds (we're not laughing with you, kids). Bottom line, today's kids are going to love this movie with its vaguely insectoid robot designs, and most won't even realize what a cool homage the Optimus earth form is or the significance of Peter Cullen's voice. They're going to buy two of every character (if they scream and beg mom and dad long enough) one of the pretty cool looking earth forms and one of the bafflingly bland protoforms (their alt modes were a chance to go nuts and make everyone a funky space craft instead of a technological blob, but it doesn't really matter). The toy promotion folks will be ecstatic and, between those revenues and the box office, Spielberg will be more than happy to greenlight two more of these. As someone who claims to have some love for the transformers concept, you can either put aside all of your self-induced, nostalgia fueled disappointment and evaluate this movie on its own merits -- with no comparison to the artifically enhanced memories you have of a cartoon that really was only good for the first half of the movie they made based on it -- or you can resign yourself to hating everything about this. Your choice. I do recommend you check out Robot Chicken, though. It's a fantastic example of a child of the 80s who still loves his cartoon/comic and toy icons but understands how inhrently silly all of them are in a modern context. And Optimus Prime recommends you get your prostate checked, a.s.a.p.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Gah.

    by NightArrows

    GAH!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Babies

    by j-bot

    You guys are all such goddamn babies. The Transformers haven't been as cool as the 80s Transformers since the 80s. Stop whining. They made a movie for all you losery fanboys back in the day. You whine about how much they screwing with your childhood, well you obviously haven't grown up yet then. And the stupid thing is all the peole that are crying over this movie are probably going to go see it at least a few times.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Wot a load of SHIT!!!!

    by hopdog

    All i have to say is FUCK OFF! why do they have to change the design of the Transformers. If you like this shit your not a true TRANSFORMERS fan. 'Til all are one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    The overlooked truth of this debate...

    by chicano77

    ...which should be remembered before any diatribe is that the Transformers G1 cartoon was and is fucking awful. I watched it religously, like all of you, when I was younger. I made my folks spend a couple hundred bucks on the toys. And when the eps were released on DVD a few years ago I decided to revisit my once-favorite show. Sadly, what I found was that Transformers sucked balls and definately did not withstand the test of time. I wish it had. So, I have no problems with Michael Bay and company taking liberties with a cartoon that was really quite dumb and essentially a commercial for toys. Forget the "raping my childhood" nonsense for a moment and just be happy somebody is making a flick about cars that turn into robots and shoot things.

  • Oct. 23, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    the underlying truth of this debate

    by chicano77

    ...which all of should be remembered pre-diatribe is that the Transformers G1 cartoon was and is an overrated and actually, quite awful cartoon that's not worth getting worked up about. Don't get me wrong, I watched it religously, like all of you, when I was younger. I made my folks spend a couple hundred bucks on the toys. And when the eps were released on DVD a few years ago I decided to revisit my once-favorite show. Sadly, what I found was that Transformers sucked balls and definately did not withstand the test of time. I wish it had. So, I have no problems with Michael Bay and company taking liberties with a cartoon that was quite dumb and essentially a commercial for toys. Forget the "raping my childhood" nonsense for a moment and just be happy somebody is making a flick about cars that turn into robots and shoot things.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Cybertronic modes

    by Chief Joseph

    Just to reiterate and dispell some falsehoods spewed by idiots, the Transformers _always_ had "alien" vehicle modes before coming to earth. The "protoform" idea (that they had different _robot_ modes as well) seems to originate with Beast Wars. But the idea that they had a 3rd "space travel"/Rock Lord mode is pure Bay bullshit.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Pete_Da_Geek = Fool

    by Chief Joseph

    How did 1980's Transformers rape Japanese childhoods? Explain your asinine assertion. Can't, huh? They are still making Transformers in Japan to this day. If anybody is raping Japanese childhoods, it's Bay. He's stripped away the original Japanese designs and turned them into generic Hollywood dreck. This will go over as well with the Japanese audience as Pearl Harbor did.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Straight up ugly

    by superninja

    At least we know it can't get any worse.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Now you NERDS have finally done it ...

    by CHICKS I DATE ARE REAL

    Every so often I check in with this site to get information on upcoming movies. And every time I do: I regret it. Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you mutants!? I am a self proclaimed comic book geek (even though I don't live with my parents, work out, date real HOT chicks, bath, etc.) but the more I realize how demented you people are, the less I blame my jock friends in high school for kicking your ass. Back then I used to stand up for you fuckers, but now I realize maybe you needed the sense knocked into you. Now I know reality hurts sometimes but I have a big secret for you all (no ... I'll let your parents tell you the truth about Santa): IT'S A FUCKING MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!!! Do you really think that while Michael Bay is counting his millions while a playboy bunny plays with his nuts, he gives a rat’s ass about what a sub race of humans thinks about his movies?! I think the real reason why they want to change the movies so much from the originals is so that you fuckers WON'T go to the theatres and gross out the normal patrons. I do not have a fonder memory of my childhood than of getting up on a Saturday morning and pouring myself a bowl of Mr. T cereal and watching cartoons till noon. BUT THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THE ORIGINAL BLOCK FIGURE TRANSFORMERS WOULD HAVE TRANSFERED OVER TO FILM. While the rest of us go on opening day (with dates that weigh less than we do) why don't you outcasts stay at home, have your mommy cook you up some popcorn, and watch the fucking Power Rangers. Because that's what the movie would have turned out like if you morons had your way. Speaking of which; why don't guys ban together and start your own production company and make your own fucking movies? Just take you the money you would normally use for internet porn, pool it together, and you should have more than enough! And just like with all of the fan films on the net, don't worry about hiring actors that actually look the part: just cast yourselves. That'll be really cool! Ah ... I feel better now! Happy Masturbating P.S – The Prequels are better than the originals trilogy. Why? Because my 10 year old nephew says so: And that’s what really matters you fucking losers.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 3:27 a.m. CST

    CHICKS I DATE ARE REAL

    by j-bot

    Amen! That was fuckin' hilarious.

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST

    At least now...

    by Dead Megatron

    ...that Megatron design makes a little more sense

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    THIS JUST IN...

    by Johnny Storm

    You are all going to see this movie. You know you are. Now back to our regularly scheduled bitchy bitchy fest...

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    CHICKS I DATE ARE REAL

    by NightArrows

    QUOTE: "even though I don't live with my parents, work out, date real HOT chicks, bath, etc." END QUOTE<p>So you don't work out? You don't date real hot chicks? or bathe? I figured as much.<p>See, it's the fattest of the cock necks that are the ones who come on here and tout their pussy conquests, and it's always the direct opposite (like when your mother said she loved you).<p>I bet it takes you a solid day to push out a shit from all the pure cookie dough you must go through beating it with your left hand to dailyniner.com while at the same time playing World of Warcraft with the other (level 50 Mage, you rock fatty!).<p>SO fess up, as while you may get some trim, it's most likely from your family tree that doesn't branch. Cousins make good lovin when you are leveling up, huh nut face?<p>Here's a hint, pick one of the small children that must be stuck in orbit around that big greasy meat wallet you call a neck, and ask the child if he or she could run and fetch you a hand grenade. Take my advice and shove that 'nade up your gravy chute and the immenent explosion should feed the entire 3rd world for a year, you fucking whale douche.<p>P.S. I'm saving my money for the world's longest rope, just in you ever mistake the Northern Hemishphere for food and either try to eat us, or fuck us, either way that rope will come in handy...

  • Oct. 24, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    While I agree that the

    by Staldo

    While I agree that the blocky modes would never have worked in live action, Chicks I Date are Real sounds like he was one of those pathetic complacent shitworms in high school that failed to make the cut for any sports teams, but still hung out with the jocks hoping their real man juju would rub off on him and maybe getting sloppy seconds on their incapacitated girlfriends. Either that or he's one of the most brilliant parodies I've seen. At any rate, most high schools in the US are underfunded daycare centers anyway.

  • Oct. 25, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Ha ha ... I hit a nerve!

    by CHICKS I DATE ARE REAL

    NightArrows: "From all the pure cookie dough you must go through beating it with your left hand to dailyniner.com" Dude I am sure that that's a porn site, and I am sure you have some experience with cookie dough, but what the fuck are you rambling about? You see us normal people are not up to speed on the perverse methods you super losers use to compensate for a lack of human contact. "See, it's the fattest of the cock necks that are the ones who come on here and tout their pussy conquests, and it's always the direct opposite..." How do you know it's always the direct opposite of what people say? Did you conduct an extensive survey, or do extensive research that proves this point, or are you just talking out of your ass because that makes you feel better about you lowly state in life? And by the way nobody bragged about pussy conquests (come to think of it ,in one posting you managed to come up with: cock, pussy, masturbating, incest, and shoving things up dudes asses. It might be time for you to visit one of your favorite porn sites and let off a few rounds). I said I date hot chicks; and that's a fact not a fantasy. Let's stick to the facts. And by the way... Are there really such things as whale douches? And what part of the Northern Hemisphere? Cause if there is one thing I am super afraid of, it's super long ropes. And what the fuck is a "level 50 Mage". Staldo: Actually I played college football at Arizona State University. And although I was popular with the jocks and cheerleaders, I spent a lot of time hanging out with my drama buddies cause I felt sorry for them. Sounds like you needed someone during your high school years to stick up for you. You have a lot of repressed anger. You should get help. Yackbacker: Oh you poor guy. (Violin) "All we said is that we don't like the designs ... boo hoo" Are you fucking delusional. You fucking bastards have already crucified this fucking movie. Is my post the only one you have read, in the history of this fucking web site? You see its ignorant statements like that that totally devoid the validity of anything you fuckers say. The fact of the matter is, you fucking people have nothing better to do with your insecure existences than bitch about movies. Like I said, if you don't like something, do it yourself and stop bitching. If you don't have the talent to make a movie your way, than shut the fuck up. And by the way I have never used alcohol. I hate it. But I would suggest that some of you get drunk, or do something to deal your disappointment with life.

  • Oct. 26, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Just stop fucking lying

    by NightArrows

    QUOTE:"And although I was popular with the jocks and cheerleaders, I spent a lot of time hanging out with my drama buddies cause I felt sorry for them." END QUOTE<p>No, the fact is that you probably sniffed jocks and dressed up as a cheerleader. Why come here and lie about your life? Is the cookie dough finished? It's always the biggest abortions that come onto sites like this and try and interject some bullshit real-world lie about how great they are. That is a proven fact, and no I didn't need to research it, but you seem to be shaping up as a living thesis on the subject matter.<p>Its too bad you can't go to prison for lying, I can only assume you'd make a lot of new friends with all that animal magnatism you seem to think you have.<p>BTW, normal people don't come here, so again fatstuff, you are caught in a lie.<p>Oh and it's "totally VOID the validity.." fuckwit, NOT "...totally DEVOID the validity..." You should have spent a little more time in class at Arizona State, and a little less time in the Janitor's closet trying on those cheerleader duds.

  • Oct. 26, 2006, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Ha Ha Ha ......

    by CHICKS I DATE ARE REAL

    This is too fun "That is a proven fact, and no I didn't need to research it ..." You're too cute. I kind of feel bad now arguing with you. Your inability to come up with a legitimate point, and the fact that you redundantly make unsubstantiated claims about me, obviously dates you around 12-14 years old. So again wait till you are a little older to argue with the adults. By the way you should change your name to the English teacher. Not that anything you say makes any sense, but you seem to think that I care if I make a grammatical error in a forum.

  • Oct. 27, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Once again, with feeling

    by NightArrows

    Well, monkey fister, it seems you DO care because you keep responding to my posts. For someone who has so many better things to do, you sure spend a lot of time in here arguing with the nerds and "children".<p>You speak of me not being able to back up any of my claims about you, but you have the temerity to state your claim of dating hot chicks as "fact" and expect the gathered masses here to believe you and fawn at your feet like the sluts in a White Snake video? Did you think we would all praise you as some Fonze-like god? Your father really should have pulled out...<p> I've seen written rants by Helen Keller that were better put together than your ham fisted posts. Go spend some of the money you are going to drop on Michael Bay's travesty and see if Arizona State will let you back in for a refresher course. Or just die.

  • Oct. 31, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    CHICKS I DATE and NightArrows

    by DirkD13"

    You two are very fucking funny, and brilliant at arguing. Please do it again soon

  • Nov. 7, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST

    The reason why they look the way they do

    by leavittj1982

    The producers said that they wanted to go with the most plausible, realistic designs that they could think of. Each robot was designed from the inside-out. The results are realistic; they could exist and function in our world with our technological knowlege. Remember that the original transformers were created by cutting a model truck up into body parts and saying, "There, now it's a person!" without any thought given to it about how "this" would still be fueling/turning "that" or connected to "that." They were only interested in making t-o-y-s. Don't you remember the reason why Optimus' frame isn't flat but has a nose and hood now? According to the production notes, they wanted to have fifty-foot robots, but a flat-nosed frame would have allowed them to build only a twenty-foot robot. The people behind these designs are being realistic and very, very technical in their approaches. I both admire and respect that, and I think that you all should, too.