Oct. 13, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST
i mean, lets be honest. anyway, it cant be as bad as The Fog remake. I walked out of that, it was wasting my life.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST
So...I can't tell by the review. Did he like it or not?
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:36 p.m. CST
He's made seven movies based on these characters? Obviously there's Ju-on 1 and 2, The Grudge 1 and two. What are the other three? Did he remake parts 1 and 2 in different languages for their people to suffer through as well? It's very sad to see somebody with promise waste his talent like this. Oh, well. There's always Uwe Boll...
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST
I mean honeslty once you decomplicate the unnecessary convoluted structures the stories aren't that interesting. In fact, they're pretty bland. Still this sounds horrible.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST
by future help
fuck you (my main man)Raimi... for producing this crap.\ fuck you, the fuckin' guys making Texas Chainsaw updates & prequels. Fuck you for making a Saw 2 & 3. (the first one had a great ending) and fuck all those other remakes of horror headin' our way. the only 2 decent horror remkes EVER, were... Evil Dead 2 (reallY JUST A RETELLING ofthe originaL) and The Thing. were
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST
Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:43 p.m. CST
by future help
nothing is working anymore. blank0out screens fuck up's on my typing.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:45 p.m. CST
You're basically complaining that the story is much the same as the original in style and structure. Half of the characters in the original Ju-On are the same. Oh its her friend who phones. That's all we really get to know before she starts down the lift-shaft with the kid looking at her on every floor. To be fair the original Trailer for Ju-on was more terrifying than the final movie, and indeed most Horror movies.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST
...that The Grudge 2 is as bad as Massawyrm claims. Its predecessor was awful too. The thing is, though, that the Japanese originals are crap as well. I've seen Ju-On 1 & 2, as well as the television movie versions and apart from a couple of cool, creepy moments here and there, the movies are complete ass. I'm not a hater of Japanese horror at all, but that doesn't mean that EVERY fucking horror film produced in Japan is a towering achievement in originality, quality and terror. Raimi and his soulless cronies took sub-par material and turned it into even worse shit, that's all.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST
by Mr. Winston
And so will SAW 3. And TCM:P is killing right now (comparable to its budget, that is). And I don't mean in a narrative capacity; we're talking pure finances here. It's funny - after the first GRUDGE, everyone noticed that the kids talked about one scene in the movie: where that shadow kept going across the shot from the security camera, and then there was a face that came out of nowhere and screamed. THAT'S what everyone remembers, and THAT'S what all the studios are developing now. It's not about the story anymore - it's about one or two shock moments that make a crap movie worthwhile for teenagers. I don't want to suggest that you're complaining, Wyrm, but the fact is that there's some good horror out there, and generally it's easy to pick out (SHAUN OF THE DEAD, HILLS HAVE EYES, etc.). No use complaining about the stuff that's being blatantly geared towards high schoolers.
Oct. 13, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST
Strong in him, the Force is...
Oct. 13, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST
that's it really, i didn't really read the article.
Oct. 13, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST
then watch Severance, just this sec finished watching it and I really loved it. Better than Grudge 1 anyway (so did you really expect 2 to be better? Ring 2 for example?) Besides the original Japanese Grudge was shit just beacause bBuffy is in it won't make it better!!! Ok, rant over, move along, move along
Oct. 13, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST
Person hears a noise and investigates and then some weird thing pops out; person hears a noise and investigates and then some weird thing pops out; person hears a noise and investigates and then some weird thing pops out, etc., etc., etc.
Oct. 13, 2006, 5:25 p.m. CST
by Lando Griffin
mmmmm take /Homer Simpson. I love take, especially chocolate fudge take. But the only time I really have take is on my birthday.
Oct. 13, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST
by The Dum Guy
Not really. I hope this thing tanks, 'cause the trailer itself just screams "SuckFest".
Oct. 13, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST
for a scarier film....
Oct. 13, 2006, 6:52 p.m. CST
by Da Coach
Seems like it's been a while.
Oct. 13, 2006, 6:57 p.m. CST
Who the hell finds a chick that walks like she has scoliosis and ratty hair scary?
Oct. 13, 2006, 7:02 p.m. CST
by CTU Mole
But then Japanese horror is mostly a ripoff of "The Changeling". Dead kids...they're scary. I've seen and am a fan of almost every slasher film ever made (except Chaos, bitches) and IMO the scariest movies I've ever seen are The Shining and The Sixth Sense. Why? Because children who either see the dead or are dead themselves are scary. Why don't these movies have sequels? Be cause it's scary once. A second and third time? Not so much.
Oct. 13, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST
This movie does not interest me at all, from what I've seen and heard about it. I think what a lot of audience members are unable to grasp (through no fault of their own), and what Takashi Shimizu himself seems to have forgotten, is that the Ju-On franchise was a spoof of/response to all the "we're cursed but if we unravel the mystery we'll be saved from the freaky longhaired female ghost" movies that hit Asia on the heels of Ring(u). It was a clever perversion of the formula--screw the origins of the curse, screw the escape clause, screw the "rules" of the curse (seven days and what not)...you're just plain screwed; screw the slow builds and revelations, it's setup and scare and setup and scare. It was a fun twist on a tired genre; the problem is, they decided to bring it to the U.S. where that context was lost--at the time, all we had was Samara, and so The Grudge couldn't make the same statement. Had they held off on making the movie until Dark Water, Phone, One Missed Call, and all those unravel-the-curse Japanese remakes irritated the hell out of us, The Grudge would've been far more effective as a nail in the genre's coffin.
Oct. 13, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST
For everyone that comments about how these movies aren't scary, I'd point out that movies like the Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Saw movies aren't scary, either. They're just disgusting and excessively gory. Gods, talk about a lack of coherent story! Psychotic serial killers and bizarre, convoluted methods of death? Cut, print, snore. I don't care what anyone says...I'm still going to see this movie because I liked the first remake and I LOVED the original Ju-On films. The Japanese know how to handle horror movies. They stake a darker territory. I think characters like Ju-On's Kayako and Ringu's Sadako are far more terrifying than Leatherface and Jigsaw.
Oct. 13, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST
Oct. 13, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST
I don't quite understand the fuss about this movie. Every review I read of this movie goes to great lengths to tear it apart like it promised to be a masterpiece of filmmaking. I saw it this morning and really it's harmless.It's not great, but i hardly thought it was the worst film I've seen this year. It was what I expected it to be after having seen the original films and the american remake. I think the biggest problem with the movie is just that it's directed by somebody who clearly wants to be directing something else. His visuals are decent and he knows how to create some satisfyingly creepy moments, but there's nothing new and obviously a boredom on that end.I don't think any of the actors had direction so a lot of the acting feels flat or completely over the top. Even still I would recommend it for people with time to waste, just don't go in expecting horror's second coming because you will be thoroughly disappointed.
Oct. 13, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST
That I have had a few days to think about it now, and I stand firmly with my original statement... Head from Amber Tamblyn would be awesome!!! Oh and this movie will choke like Mamma Cass.
Oct. 14, 2006, 12:56 a.m. CST
of course the grudge 2 is shit... the story I want to hear about is why AICN pulled the Mirajeff review after all the negative feedback...his choice? harry's? because it was a bad review? because it was a negative review? because the talkbackers complained?
Oct. 14, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST
Had to watch this crap with my thirteen year old brother. It was cool, we had an in depth conversation about how much the movie sucked balls afterwards at KFC. Nothing like bonding with the bro. Side note. If I was walking down the street and I saw a blond chick in a phone booth getting strangled by long black hair , I would probably run over and try to help the bitch out. That or sneek a grab. PEACE
Oct. 14, 2006, 4:29 a.m. CST
I vote for either the taun-taun or the one where you're sodomizing the Prophet Muhammed on top of a burning Koran.
Oct. 14, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST
spelling it "Koran" is so last week...where's Mirajeff's banned review?!
Oct. 14, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST
That the original GRUDGE (remake) was a load of shit. In fact, I remember walking out and saying to my mates, "That didn't have a storyline - it was just a series of scenes involving characters we don’t give two shits about being killed in various ways." I won't be seeing this sequel.
Oct. 14, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST
But why was the original Ju-on better? I don't know and in fact I don't care. I lent my imported DVD to a girl I knew 3 years ago and haven't bothered getting it back yet.
Oct. 14, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST
The Grudge 2 was the worst thing I've ever seen on film. It was so abyssmal that I couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Oct. 14, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST
For Christ's sake, I'm sick and tired of hearing people bad mouth every single horror film that ever gets made. Let's check our hypocrisy, shall we? How often do new movies come out and then we hail the original ones as being the ultimate classic? Everyone panned the texas chainsaw massacre (the original), and friday the 13th, among others, but those all seem to be classics now. So let's see in a year or so when The Grudge 3 comes out how many people will be praising the original 2? And as far as character development goes--do you really need to be spoonfed your characters like so many hollywood schlock movies. Yes, the filmmakers should apologize to the audience for assuming that they had any intelligence beyond a grade 9 level.
Oct. 14, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST
the only similar parts happen during the recap in the first ten minutes that establishes ash is in a cabin with candarian demon zombies, and the his headless girlfriend is buried out front. That's it.
Oct. 14, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST
Plant planty McPlant plant.
Oct. 14, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
and it still got the point across that this movie is SHIT
Oct. 14, 2006, 6:10 p.m. CST
That's these films in a nutshell.
Oct. 14, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST
To answer your question "And as far as character development goes--do you really need to be spoonfed your characters like so many hollywood schlock movies." Yes. Character developement is an important part of any genre of film. And as much money as we the fans spend on these movies, its not too much to expect the people making them to cover all the bases, and making us care about the people you are going to kill in front of us is pretty important to us. Not that you'd understand this, but its insulting to those of us who ARE educated past a 9th grade level when we spend our hard earned dollars on a horror film and then expected to care about characters that haven't done anything to make us care about them. The fact that its a horror film is not an excuse to put out a half-assed product.
Oct. 14, 2006, 9:51 p.m. CST
Hmm, I saw the film and got a pretty rounded character developmental assumption. Perhaps it's because I dared to infer meaning as opposed to being dictated it through the medium. I got a consistent disturbed atmosphere throughout the entire film which influenced the character descisions. And after all, who the hell cares about what makes a character tick if they're going to be offed within seconds. Any sad attempt at supposed 'character development' i've seen in a horror is laughable and only makes you want that character to die faster. I enjoyed watching these actors play more subtle characters where the impression of who they were--not events that happened to them--came across through their behaviours and inter-relations with the other characters on screen. But that's just my post-grade 9 education speaking.
Oct. 15, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST
That's twice in as many posts that you've mentioned your "post-grade 9 education". Describing the state of the current Hollywood horror output as being anything other than cookie-cutter, focus group-formed, anemic horseshit either makes you a studio shill or a tasteless cretin of gargantuan proportions. Judging by your inferiority-driven need to mention your "post-nine grade education" in every post could mean you're either one of those two things. It's because of people like you that we're continuously "treated" to abysmal shit like the Fog remake, Thirteen Ghosts and The Cave.
Oct. 15, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST
Wow, you've succumbed to the "I know you are, but what am I" defense. I don't buy it.
Oct. 15, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST
Maybe if I understood what that final post meant, I might be able to respond. I guess my "post-grade 9 education" is failing me here.
Oct. 15, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST
I guess so.
Oct. 15, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST
Oct. 16, 2006, 6:43 a.m. CST
The original Japanese sequel was pretty bad too. The question is is this bad sequel better or worst than the original bad sequel? If it counts for anything... The trailor looks better. But, dudes, one thing for sure. The hands in the hair thing is done. It had a one gimic life. Trying to reshelf it for another go is just sad.
Oct. 21, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST
The movie sucked so much! That was a waste of my time and money. I can't even believe it. I thought it was going to be good but I guess not! The previews were better than the actual movies itself. Which I think is just sad and pathetic!