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Hercules The Strong Has Seen BATTLESTAR GALACTICA 3.3!!
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I am – Hercules!!
Battlestar Galactica 3.3 FAQ
The fan site BattleStarCalacticaSite.com reported several days ago that “Battlestar Galactica” is moving from SciFi to NBC! Why is Hercules and AICN ignoring this important story?
“Battlestar Galactica” is not moving to NBC. Read SciFi’s denial here.
What is tonight’s episode of “Battlestar Galactica titled?
“Exodus Part 1.”
Who’s responsible?
Teleplay is credited to “Deep Space Nine” vets Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.
What does TV Guide say?
“Part 1 of two. Tyrol receives disturbing news from a secret source within Baltar's administration while Colonial detainees face a Cylon firing squad on New Caprica. Dean Stockwell, Lucy Lawless.”
The big news?
A Cavil this week offers the first hint of a new plot element that will play over the next several weeks a huge role in the series.
What else is TV Guide not telling us?
This is the episode in which “Pulp Fiction’s” Amanda Plummer contributes her cameo as a Kamala-slurping soothsayer. She offers D’Anna a pivotal clue.
Do the Adama boys learn of the deaths of Roslin and Zarek this week?
No.
Are any colonists rescued from New Caprica this week?
No.
Does Brother Cavil parachute down in front of a cheering crowd of centurions with a giant “Mission Accomplished” banner behind him?
No.
Do the Cylons find Saul cowering in a spider-hole?
No. But we get a good long look at what’s left of One-Eye Tigh’s bloody socket!
What’s doing with Starbuck?
Very little. She’s seen spending a minute or so with Casey (aka “KC” aka “Kara’s Cylon”) as an approving Leoben looks on.
How does it end, spoiler-boy?
“Stand by for combat jump.”
Herc’s Rating For “Battlestar Galactica” 3.3
****
10 p.m. Friday. SciFi.
BONUS!! “Grendy” goes drinking with Helo and The Chief!
I interviewed Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett at DragonCon in Atlanta over Labor Day weekend at the fabu Trader Vic's over some Mai-Tais and something called a Blue Hawaiian. I looked for Elvis, but instead I got a fascinating conversation with two of BSG's stars, and some insight into what makes them tick. Without further ado, here we go...
Grendy- How are you dealing with, or noting the changes in the fans of the show, in between seasons 1 and 2?
Tamoh- in England the first season aired, it was still to a really small audience. And now here, you'd never really see people all dressed up like that before here, and I've seen everyone, even from the old shows. They're even in the flight suits that they've invented and with helmets.
G- Yeah, I know, (at DragonCon) I've probably seen about 10 Starbucks, a number of folks in the blue uniforms and a couple of burly guy-types in halfway wearing orange jumpers with the requisite two-tank tops look. They even sported the dog tags.
T- …And that stuff takes a lot of work, 'cause our stuff's pretty fancy in the show.
G-You can find some things online, but not most of this stuff.
T- Exactly. We just had one woman approach us, and said she's been making a lot of gear for people, and that she'd not even seen the show. I said "You better get on it!" (smile)…and she's been overwhelmed with requests for BSG gear.
G-I saw some nice Starbucks, and a rally good Roslin yesterday. Though with that all you need pretty much is a blue suit and a red wig and glasses. She (the woman dressed as Roslin) got to meet Kate Vernon (Ellen Tigh) and was all geekin' out over it.
G- Okay, on to the questions:
Aaron, since it's known you're a fan of the original show, are you still as geeked out about it, not that you're two seasons in, and the third's about to start?
Aaron- I really still love it for what it is. And I literally do, often times, probably more then I should, sit and reflect and go "I'm the Chief" it's a remarkable thing to me. When it first started I kinda wondered… does LeVar Burton go "I'm Geordie"? that's pretty cool. I'll go down in history as The Chief. I mean there are police detectives and chiefs, but in these people's lives, for the rest of my life, I'll be the Chief. And I think that's a remarkable thing, and it's flattering and an honour and I am pleased about it. (Canadian spelling in deference to the fellas)
G- Do you like that Helo became such a fan favorite (his fans in the miniseries made it known that they liked him, so Moore et all brought him back for the series despite his being left to face nuclear holocaust, thus changing the whole storyline of the show) I mean, did you have to leave a job in order to start season 1?
T- I knew when I was in the miniseries that I would be dying. I'd accepted that. I die, you know? I didn't get to do too many scenes with the other actors. When I read the script I said wow… when I read the script, and I got to the part where I tell Sharon to leave me on the planet…
G- The big sacrifice
T- Yeah, the big sacrifice. I said wow, I gotta have this. It's mine. But the door was closed for me. (after that, as he'd been left on-planet) I got a lot of nice compliments in the end. "I really liked your work." etc… But the thing about this business is you don't put any weight on that until you have your contract. And even then, a couple of days in, then you can start celebrating the fact that you're there. The reality of it.
I had gone on after the miniseries and gotten a regular supporting lead on Cold Squad. It was huge, and I was really excited about it. So it finished, and I was in LA for pilot season. Funny story: I was in LA for pilot season. UI had a terrible audition. One of the worst of my life, and the casting director was a complete dick. And I was going: I can't believe I've been getting away with this for so long, because I can't act. I've been pulling a fast one over everyone, it's horrible. And I get home and get a call from the executive director of Cold Squad and it's like "Sorry buddy, we're done." as the show had been cancelled. The only thing that made me happy when I had that bad audition was 'well, at least I have Cold Squad' and it was a week later that Ron Moore called me up and said he's got an idea for the storyline. So I am a very lucky guy.
Aaron pipes up with "Cold Squad is the original show that Cold Case ripped off. Just wanted to point that out. (insert tone of Canadian pride here)
G- Well, we Americans steal everything.
A- And they won't admit it!
T- and since it's about a police unit that's been doing these cases since the 40's it's appropriate that it's set in Vancouver.
G- are you from Vancouver ?
T- well I've lived there on and off for about 10 years, but I am from the Yukon. Born and raised Yukon boy. If you know where that is.
G- I do. I am not an American with bad geography skills. It's west of Edmonton, east of Alaska
T- Yep. (slightly surprised)
G- I told you, I know my geography. Aaron, do you think, despite all the protestations of the chief, that he might be a cylon? An outside chance? Similar to Dean Stockwell?
Or do you just think, no way…
A- is the chief a cylon? No, the chief is NOT a cylon.
G- That's good, 'cause that would be lame. Oh, Sharon 's a cylon and I am a cylon and we both didn't know it.
A- I'd be pissed. I would stake an episode-fee on it. He's not a cylon.
G- as people, or characters do you think anyone else is one?
A- (super fast answer) No one is. It is my belief that we've seen all the Cylons that we're gonna see.
What about that black male doctor on Caprice? He was an 'outsider'/
A- I think all the cylons have been revealed. There are 12, but what you'll find out in season 3... …cylon models get what you call "boxed".
G-Like retired?
A-No, they just turn them off. They take every single copy of that model number and put them in a box and turn them off. You can turn them back on… but they get boxed. One of the cylon models gets boxed in this year.
G- Very cool. (inside my head I am figuring odds on who it might be)
A- The four or five remaining models that you haven't seen; they've been boxed. I think that they've been boxed.
G-Yeah, if you reveal two or three a season, after a few seasons, you're done, no more to show. And no where to go.
A- See, the thing for me, you've seen all these scenes on the cylon ships, or the gatherings of them and you've only seen these specific characters, so if you suddenly introduced a Chinese guy, you'd be …'Where the hell has he been?' If there are millions of copies of this model where has he been? You've seen 20 copies of Dorils, and 15 copies of Sixes. And it's a little chintzy if you go with or say more of the cast is cylon.
G-But I am sure there are people who watch everyone's moves. To see if they're showing signs.
A- That's part of the mystery. The possibility.
G-I would love if it was Khandyse McClure, (Dualla) personally.
T- wow, really?
A- yeah?
G- There are some long takes, like PT Anderson does in Magnolia, or Boogie Nights, that linger on her. And you see her thinking. There's a scene in the head with Gaeta that might be telling… man, if she's a cylon. I told my brother, if I am right about this thing…then man, you owe me something.
T- Well the show does go in unexpected ways. The show is so awesome, it's so unpredictable.
A-The audience nowadays is so much more sophisticated.
T- I have one coming up now that I am just dying to work on. I want something juicy.
G-Is it a Helo-centric storyline?
T- It is.
G-I'd like to bring up something about the show's storylines that you're not going to see elsewhere, (by this I mean that other shows would not tackle this topic) and it's not pleasant. The storyline where Grace's character was attacked and raped….a friend of mine finally saw that episode…and frankly her first sexual experience was being raped, and she saw that episode… (before I can even finish Aaron and Tamoh have looks of horror and shock on their faces and Aaron says " oh my fucking god' …{this puts both of them in the -these guys are real human, feeling, people, so it's a sure bet they're not from Hollywood-category}…and that episode just wrecked her. And she said 'Goddamn… that show. And she thought it was really well done. How it was handled. The empathy, the class in which it was handled. If you see someone in that situation, that's how you react, if you're human. Whether you're in love with the person or not. Now I knew this about her, but it's not at my forebrain all the time… but to have her say that made me stop and think… god, yeah… I can only imagine that there were thousands of women and men who saw that…
A- There are women who don't watch the show anymore. Because they were so horrified by that. It's real life. I am sorry, but…
(at this point, since we've somewhat referenced Abu Ghrab, I apologized as an American for our current administration. This led into a very off topic conversation about the current Canadian Prime Minister and how he's a conservative…)
T- More importantly… when that scene was happening, is it rape if it's a cylon?
G- Yeah, where do you draw that line for your enemies?
T- And she's talking to Apollo (actually, it was Adama) and she says basically, " What, it doesn't count as rape, because I am a cylon'? These parallels are obvious to what is happening today. We have a lot of separatism in religion and politics in the world.
G- I am with ya on that one…
T- It's sad. The fact is that so much of the west is ethnocentric.
G-(somewhat sarcastically) Why should they care about other cultures, when they've conquered them all and made them assume their McDonalds and Starbucks cultures and ways of life? (And then here was digression about Dr. Joseph Lowery and how I'd met him recently, and his lambasting of Bush at Coretta Scott King's funeral and more drinks were ordered.)
A- ...and how often are you going to have dialog with the president? In Canada you have to show up to the parliament and take heat from the other side. The liberals have lost hundreds of millions of dollars in scandals and we could not, in good conscience vote for them again. (Tamoh's father was a member of a leftist party in Canada) Just so we know, it is a minority, right?
G- huh?
T- A minority government...
G- oh yeah. no one I know voted for that guy.
T- He had all the money
G- and frankly, they (democrats) didn't present a viable enough candidate last time. saying "I am not George Bush" just isn't enough.
T- and wavering on topics as well.
G- if bobby Kennedy was still alive he could have walked right into the presidency...
T- yeah, for sure.
G- okay, sorry for the digression. Now, if it's okay, I'd like to talk about you some more. (they smile)
G- Aaron, do you think, as a person or a character that Tyrol took up with Callie because it was "easy"? It's not having to having to deal with the grief over Sharon v.1, and she's just 'there' you know?
A- I think that Tyrol has a genuine affection for her. He always has. it's just been more brotherly.
G- but that's creepy if you marry her.
A- I still think it's a little creepy
G- I mean, we're in the South and all right now...
A- But, no, the Chief is past Sharon . in as much as you can be. you carry that around the rest of your life. but you're not ...it's not in the forefront of your mind. yeah. it's as over as it's gonna be.
G- well, it could make for compelling television (I then have an aside to Tamoh, who's giving directions to someone on the phone. "We're in the Hilton, at Trader Vic's." See, I told you I went drinking with these guys!) ...but to watch you pine every week would get boring. with such as "Oh, I am sad, I am angry..."
A- oh god yeah. we need to get off the Sharon story. there are shows that do that kind of stuff, year after year.
G- and it becomes a mockery of the original story.
A- so I am glad that they got off it. I am glad.
G- how was filming the Kobol stuff? it looked cold and crappy.
A- that was a lot of fun. April in Vancouver . high 60's, 70's. we were in the rainforest, beautiful. wardrobe takes very good care of us when we need it. I remember it raining but it wasn't miserable.
G- must have been nice to be 'off the deck' and out of the studio.
A- it is nice to be out sometimes.
in regards to spoilers. I said I don't want to know too much and how I dislike that crap.
T- it's always surprising to me how many people do want to know.
I mentioned television without pity's website, and how it gives you a 4-5 sentence synopsis of the show, and someone can read it and think they know what's going on.
T- I hate that.
G- you can't see the looks of longing. or see the violence.
T (adamant) - you can't appreciate the story. you know the ending. what's the purpose?
G- Well, I do know the ending to the Bible, and according to that, it's all bad news. ( this makes them both laugh)
A- well it's a good thing that that's just a made up collection of stories and has no relevance in the world.
G - I am with you on that. 'cause given my 'druthers, I'd rather sleep late on Sundays... Can you let me know, especially since we just discussed spoilers.... can you let me know if Helo and Sharon v.2 find out that the baby's still alive?
T- do I know? Yes, I do know. and ya know, I think as an audience member it's probably a safe bet that I'll find out, right?
G- yes. but then where does that character's loyalty lie?
T- which character?
G- Helo.
T- well I think it's very clear he's a man of strong morals. integrity. values. once he knows his child's alive he'll do anything he can to save his child. Baby Hera ( p.s... her name is changed to Isis by Maya, her adoptive mother. and on an IMDB note, Maya is played be the same woman who is Deputy Lupo on Eureka on Sci-Fi as well) is an integral part of several storylines in season 3.
G- as I would imagine. I think it's clever to have Roslin teaching at the begging of season 3 and keeping an eye on her right there.
T- season 3 is a two part. two hours one week and then the 3rd hour the next.
G - I just got a DVR this past march, and that's so handy. since I have a lot of jobs and work in theatre I don't have to freak out if I miss it.
T- isn't it? I love mine too. Just got it 5 months ago. I have it loaded up. fights, mostly.
G- like boxing? my roommate is a middleweight boxer.
T- is he? yeah, boxing martial arts. I have the utmost respect for fighters and I love it. I love it (becoming really animated.) I have been into it for years
G- what do you do?
T- Muy-Thai mostly. for the last 6 or 7 years.
G- that's badass. (this is where I flash to how tall this guy is compared to my 5'1 self and think: man, he could knock my block clean off my neck with a kick)
T-I spar a lot and stuff, but hasn't gotten into the ring too much, just a couple of fights.
G- So didja like Ong-Bak?
T- Ong -Bak was incredible to me. The reason it was incredible is because I respect and love muy-thai so much. the amazing thing about that film is they show these ancient styles of fighting. they had, as you can see, no cables of nothing. (aside to Aaron, who doesn't seem to have seen the film. "this guy is the most amazing martial arts star that has ever been") the thing about it, they're showing it's traditional roots in there. those crocodile kicks...
G- yeah, you're not going to see that in a competition. did you know he's got a new film coming out, The Protector?
T- Yeah, I can't wait to see it. You'll never see those moves somewhere else. they are the moves that Thais used to use when they fought the Cambodians. the Burmese have a similar style, they don't have Muy-Thai though.
this is stuff that they would use to the death. so a lot of the stuff they showed in Ong-Bak, those were the 'finishing moves'
G- when I saw it about 2 years ago at BNAT it was the 2nd to last film we were seeing. we'd been watching movies since noon the say before and it was like 8 or 9 in the morning. you know, the final hurrah... and I went 'oh my god, my head is exploding!' when I/we watched it.
T- to be honest with you, there's not a film that's ever compared to that, in terms of action/stunts. there's not a stuntman who can do that.
G- there's your Jackie Chan's and stuff, but Jaa's so good...
T- (interrupting ) yeah but there's not a guy who can hold a candle to him.
G- yeah, and he's what, like 23?!?
T- well, older now, that was done in 2003 in Thailand .
G- at BNAT we sometimes see things that don't come out 'til way later. Like The Decent,
for example. We saw that last December. Not too good if you're claustrophobic.
T- I just saw that! Michael Trucco (Anders) is like 'you gotta see this!'
A brief explanation to Aaron about the film follows, ending with…
G- bad things happen...
T- oh yeah, bad things happen.
G- is Tyrol going to be leading the rebellion, like a 5th Columnist? (reminding all of you that this was done first weekend of September, and I am in fact, not an idiot to ask this a week after the season premier) Or is it going to be Tigh?
A- I would say Tigh is the head, and Anders and Tyrol are sort of the right-hand men.
G- Do you think if the events on New Caprica get resolved that Tyrol would be content going back to being 'just the chief' after leading the union and any events that follow?
A- umm, I think if everybody gets off the planet, that you have to take up your former post. it's the military. and if you're no the ship, you might as well fix planes, since that's what you're good at.
G - were you personally upset that they blew up your nice ship like 2 episodes after you created it? (this is a reference to the episode titled: Phoenix in which Chief Tyrol starts building a stealth-ship and is eventually helped by many of the crew, only to have it lost in the next episode when Apollo uses it to bomb the Resurrection Ship and it's blown out from under him)
A- (simply) YEP.
G- I mean, you just damn built that thing!
A- I know. I know (slightly grouchy about it) it took me six days to build that fucking thing (laughs) Yeah. Yeah, although it's a really interesting story, and I really liked that episode where it got built and all...
it was pretty sweet. it went out with a bang and it was used well, so I'll take it.
G- I was wondering if he felt bad about that...
G- in the scene in which you two had to deal with Grace's character getting attacked, was that especially hard to film? Because I would imagine it would be difficult to do take after take on it...
A- what you saw, what ended up I in the show, is such an infinitesimal part of it. they shot the rape all the way to the end. and so you've got Grace getting hammered by this guy, and taking it and taking it...
G- it must have been horrible to watch
T- oh yes.
A- and kudos to her she did a wonderful job with it. she's a wonderful actress and wonderful person . so yeah, any time you're dealing with heavy deep and real stuff it's hard.
T- I mean, we're sitting there listening to it. we're there in the hall, waiting for our cue. every take. we're listening to it start, and progress...
A- (interrupting) ... you wanted to go in before your cue to stop it. you really wanted to beat those actors. it was just wrong. We really wanted to fight them.
G- yeah...
A- it was really hard to shoot. and that's just us talking. and what Grace went through, all for the sake of truth.
Like Tamoh said before, this is what happens in life. and we have to show it sometimes.
T- On Battlestar we're not going to give you a fluffy, sugar coated parallel. at all. when we do stuff like that it's the raw deal.
G- in talking with Kate about the abortion storyline... (see previous interviews with Kate Vernon and Richard Hatch in AICN archives)
T- how those choices are made...Kids should not be watching this show.
G- you're to going to see this kind of content on NBC (parent company of Sci-Fi Channel)...
T- oh absolutely. they wouldn't do it.
G- I think it's excellent. on shows were a girl doest get pregnant she always magically miscarries before she can/had to make a choice. I think it's great that your writers, and the people who defend them get these shows on.
G- the chief's suicidal thoughts, and the beating of Callie, do you think that jives, with where he was going as a character? or did you feel that it was out of left field? Because you didn't see the build up to that as an audience member.
A- no, you didn't see the build- up. And I said the same thing! I called them (I assume he means the show runners or Ron Moore) and I said: where the hell does this come from? And they said: he's been having nightmares and sleepwalking. And so.. I kind of like it. You don't see people in life, people you know in life…
I mean you read about stuff like: the guy next door murdered his wife and family and hangs himself and everyone goes 'he was the nicest man in the world, a nice family'
So, it was ah… interesting. Because you see him at work all the time. but you never get to see him when he's off work. So obviously the chief's been dealing with a whole bunch of shit. And the preceding episodes I've had maybe one line here or there. So it makes you go, it makes the audience think… if you don't see someone for a while, who knows what they're up to? I liked the episode.
G- I remember my first reaction to that was: where did that come from? And then I thought about it. And it's okay that we didn't see that happening like 4 episodes of him waking up in a cold a sweat every night, for like 30 seconds at a time. Just have him finally freak out 4 episodes down that road. That would have been sloppy writing, to me.
A- Yeah, I agree.
G- how is working with Dean Stockwell? I mean he's been in everything.
A- he's been in 150 films. I said to him, you've been doing this a long time. He said: there are 4 people on the planet who've been doing this as long as me, Me, Mickey Rooney, Elizabeth Taylor and Robert Blake.
A-and I said: that's pretty good company. Two of those people are insane.
G- and/or should be in jail!
A- he laughed. And then he said "Who's insane?" I mean you can tell by watching him he's been around.
G- I remember watching The Boy With Green Hair when I was a kid with him in it, on TV…
A- he's a wonderful actor and person. He knows his lines. It was very cool to sit across from him and work.
T- I am glad you said that. When I first met him. He had this huge monolog written for him. A really nice piece of writing.
And he did it. First take. And Michael's like… (Michael Rymer, series' in-house director) (digressing a bit) …Michael's an amazing director. He's probably the reason the show's been so successful. And good as it is, he's devolved such a relationship with it over the years now that's great.
And Michael… he likes to kill it too. We' get like a thousand takes done, right? You know, he's just that strict. And Dean hit it on the first take and it was like bang-on. He didn't even know what to say to him. he had no idea. he said 'Do you want to try something different. 'cause that was perfect.'
G- will he make an appearances this season?
A- he's back in seasons 3 for sure. (of course, reading this now, we all know what a rat-frackin'-bastard he is)
he's very important.
G- I am glad that he's willing to do another sci-fi show.
T- he loves it. loves the show.
G- he's got a fan-base from Quantum Leap that may being new people to the show's audience. speaking of other stuff... I would love to know and confirm that Eddie Olmos is not as full of gravitas as he is on the show. that maybe he smiles once in a while?
T- oh! he does.
A- as soon as you yell cut he's giggling, and poking your belly. (yep, this is the same mental picture I am sure we all have of Tyrol and Adama's interactions. though, maybe in yours you don't her obsequious porn-like music in the background. Kidding!)
G- because he's got such a stately bearing an all.
A- as soon as you yell auction, he's there. it's like me, the chief's always walking around scowling and pissed off. seemingly. he's a goofball off-camera.
G- any good practical jokers amongst the cast/crew?
A- not really. no one really does that. we all have fun, it's certainly not what the cast of Stargate SG1 does, or other shows I've been on. (which Aaron was on previously) like someone will Vaseline all the furniture in someone else's trailer. that kind of stuff. or to pour liquid heat into costumes.
T- we like to laugh a lot. sometimes we're dealing with really heavy scenes. I remember being younger and being on set with older actors and being so nervous, so wound up that I couldn't enjoy it. do every take. do it right. the first time I got onto Cold Squad I saw Matt Benning (on BSG he plays Doril) and he's very tough and talented. and he's dealing with a pedophilia story, and it's really heavy... and right in the middle of it they're making jokes in between takes. they've been working together for 4 years straight...
G- ...they've got a rapport
T- a great rapport. and I am going ' how do they do that, joke around?' and right up to action they'd be screwing around right up 'til the cameras went on. and you grow to realize that you can do that. you have to, that's how it works. for these serious scenes you know? you have to.
G- do you think Helo will be fully trusted again?
T- no. never. you're dealing with racism. prejudice. history and nature. there's a certain animosity there. he's never be trusted by certain individuals. but the fact is, those who know him, you know, will trust him. you get to see where he's coming from. the Helo Sharon story is very much Romeo and Juliet.
G- does Grace get to come out of the cage in this season? I mean I am sure it's boring shooting in there all the time.
T- uh. yeah. she does. Definitely. here's a little spoiler. it's not much of one. you actually get to see some tender moments with Sharon and I. I really fought for them. it got to the point where you ... I actually said to David Eick, at the end of last season that you've got to show why they're together. what actually keeps them together.
G- ... it has to be more then the baby.
T- more then just screaming and yelling. and more then the baby. always fighting for each other's lives you know. so this year. it's great. I think everyone's going to be really happy. I mean, they love each other so much...
G- Explaining in a book or on film it's really hard to show why these people are in love. It's like you meet and 30 minutes later you're in love.
T- Exactly. You really have to show it.
When asked about Aaron's party-guy rep. he said he didn't know why he's gotten this.
I mentioned that Canadians in general (those I've met) are the most beer-drinkinest, pot-smokingest people I've ever met.
T- Its true. When hanging out with our American friend James the last two nights, we've been going out and getting annihilated. And he's all pissed, going ' fucking Canadians. I hate you. '
A- He's testing me all day long with 'I hate you. I fucking hate you' and I respond with 'one more night buddy, one more and we're all done here.'
G- Well, in the wintertime, all the Canadians do is drink beer, be funny and play hockey. We had no hockey (the year of woe as some of us call it)... my friend Liz equated no hockey to PMS. she Was cranky and moody and wanted to hit things all the time. I know we 'only' have the thrashers...
A- They're a great team
G- In Florida, in April I took time out from visiting my 103 year old grandmother to visit the Stanley Cup when it was on display.
T- You did?
G- Hell yeah, I have pictures. But I wasn't allowed to touch it as I am from a city that's not yet won it. It's weird; I work at a playhouse theater that you have to like Beastie Boys, NASCAR and Hockey to work there. And NASCAR is not just turning left at 200 mph I'll have you know.
T- Oh racecar drivers of that caliber, you have to be skilled... its way too fast. That's rugged.
G- There's a term: "rubbin's racin'"…it still counts.
T- That's some kind of theatre you work at.
G- Yeah, we're the most 'butch' theatre in town. (They laugh at this)
I also mentioned the improvised-wrestling show (B.R.A.W.L.) that we had just finished a run of, and how the Iron Sheik was at Dad's Garage Theatre 3 weeks prior to him being at Dragon Con.
T- We saw him! We were trying to do a radio interview and he was screaming! It was quite loud.
G- Are you getting more recognition on the streets of Vancouver ?
A- Not for me. There might be a bit of whispering and pointing, but they're not going to come over to you. In America… it's more space-invasion-y. Whereas in Canada... there's so much shooting there it's not like that. It's like 'hey Chief, love your show' and "Thanks, man."
T- There's definitely been a change.
G- Like a quantum shift in audience size.
T- It's always very respectful and polite which I love. It's my hometown. It's funny, I've had two experiences in the last little while where I have had very large men, and I mean large men…come up and scare me. I was in LA and there was this like 280 pound man and I'd noticed him, because his back was so large. Michael Trucco (Anders) was on the phone with his back to me, and this guy comes walking up to me, really aggressively. And I go Jesus Christ, look at that guy and he comes right at my face. I am wearing shades. And he's all: "Are you Helo?!?", and I go: Jesus, yeah I am. (Sigh of relief)
G- But you could bust out your amazing martial arts on him…
T- But it's hard when he outweighs you like 80 pounds and his back was the size of … (I say, "A Cadillac?")... Oh my god, literally. Not fat, just pure muscle. It was cool, though. A good experience.
And after this it was time for the fellas to go to a dinner date that surely had more drinking involved (sorry, James). I have to say, Aaron and Tamoh were very gracious with their time with me, especially after a day of panels and autograph sessions with hundreds of people. I saw Tony Jaa's new film about a week after this interview, and I kept wishing I had seen it with Tamoh, so we could geek out about how damn cool that guy is. These guys were pretty damn cool to hang out with too. Watch them fight the good fight against their robot overlords every Friday on the Sci-Fi Channel.
~peace out, GrendyKhan
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I interviewed Aaron Douglas and Tamoh Penikett at DragonCon in Atlanta over Labor Day weekend at the fabu Trader Vic's over some Mai-Tais and something called a Blue Hawaiian. I looked for Elvis, but instead I got a fascinating conversation with two of BSG's stars, and some insight into what makes them tick. Without further ado, here we go...
Grendy- How are you dealing with, or noting the changes in the fans of the show, in between seasons 1 and 2?
Tamoh- in England the first season aired, it was still to a really small audience. And now here, you'd never really see people all dressed up like that before here, and I've seen everyone, even from the old shows. They're even in the flight suits that they've invented and with helmets.
G- Yeah, I know, (at DragonCon) I've probably seen about 10 Starbucks, a number of folks in the blue uniforms and a couple of burly guy-types in halfway wearing orange jumpers with the requisite two-tank tops look. They even sported the dog tags.
T- …And that stuff takes a lot of work, 'cause our stuff's pretty fancy in the show.
G-You can find some things online, but not most of this stuff.
T- Exactly. We just had one woman approach us, and said she's been making a lot of gear for people, and that she'd not even seen the show. I said "You better get on it!" (smile)…and she's been overwhelmed with requests for BSG gear.
G-I saw some nice Starbucks, and a rally good Roslin yesterday. Though with that all you need pretty much is a blue suit and a red wig and glasses. She (the woman dressed as Roslin) got to meet Kate Vernon (Ellen Tigh) and was all geekin' out over it.
G- Okay, on to the questions:
Aaron, since it's known you're a fan of the original show, are you still as geeked out about it, not that you're two seasons in, and the third's about to start?
Aaron- I really still love it for what it is. And I literally do, often times, probably more then I should, sit and reflect and go "I'm the Chief" it's a remarkable thing to me. When it first started I kinda wondered… does LeVar Burton go "I'm Geordie"? that's pretty cool. I'll go down in history as The Chief. I mean there are police detectives and chiefs, but in these people's lives, for the rest of my life, I'll be the Chief. And I think that's a remarkable thing, and it's flattering and an honour and I am pleased about it. (Canadian spelling in deference to the fellas)
G- Do you like that Helo became such a fan favorite (his fans in the miniseries made it known that they liked him, so Moore et all brought him back for the series despite his being left to face nuclear holocaust, thus changing the whole storyline of the show) I mean, did you have to leave a job in order to start season 1?
T- I knew when I was in the miniseries that I would be dying. I'd accepted that. I die, you know? I didn't get to do too many scenes with the other actors. When I read the script I said wow… when I read the script, and I got to the part where I tell Sharon to leave me on the planet…
G- The big sacrifice
T- Yeah, the big sacrifice. I said wow, I gotta have this. It's mine. But the door was closed for me. (after that, as he'd been left on-planet) I got a lot of nice compliments in the end. "I really liked your work." etc… But the thing about this business is you don't put any weight on that until you have your contract. And even then, a couple of days in, then you can start celebrating the fact that you're there. The reality of it.
I had gone on after the miniseries and gotten a regular supporting lead on Cold Squad. It was huge, and I was really excited about it. So it finished, and I was in LA for pilot season. Funny story: I was in LA for pilot season. UI had a terrible audition. One of the worst of my life, and the casting director was a complete dick. And I was going: I can't believe I've been getting away with this for so long, because I can't act. I've been pulling a fast one over everyone, it's horrible. And I get home and get a call from the executive director of Cold Squad and it's like "Sorry buddy, we're done." as the show had been cancelled. The only thing that made me happy when I had that bad audition was 'well, at least I have Cold Squad' and it was a week later that Ron Moore called me up and said he's got an idea for the storyline. So I am a very lucky guy.
Aaron pipes up with "Cold Squad is the original show that Cold Case ripped off. Just wanted to point that out. (insert tone of Canadian pride here)
G- Well, we Americans steal everything.
A- And they won't admit it!
T- and since it's about a police unit that's been doing these cases since the 40's it's appropriate that it's set in Vancouver.
G- are you from Vancouver ?
T- well I've lived there on and off for about 10 years, but I am from the Yukon. Born and raised Yukon boy. If you know where that is.
G- I do. I am not an American with bad geography skills. It's west of Edmonton, east of Alaska
T- Yep. (slightly surprised)
G- I told you, I know my geography. Aaron, do you think, despite all the protestations of the chief, that he might be a cylon? An outside chance? Similar to Dean Stockwell?
Or do you just think, no way…
A- is the chief a cylon? No, the chief is NOT a cylon.
G- That's good, 'cause that would be lame. Oh, Sharon 's a cylon and I am a cylon and we both didn't know it.
A- I'd be pissed. I would stake an episode-fee on it. He's not a cylon.
G- as people, or characters do you think anyone else is one?
A- (super fast answer) No one is. It is my belief that we've seen all the Cylons that we're gonna see.
What about that black male doctor on Caprice? He was an 'outsider'/
A- I think all the cylons have been revealed. There are 12, but what you'll find out in season 3... …cylon models get what you call "boxed".
G-Like retired?
A-No, they just turn them off. They take every single copy of that model number and put them in a box and turn them off. You can turn them back on… but they get boxed. One of the cylon models gets boxed in this year.
G- Very cool. (inside my head I am figuring odds on who it might be)
A- The four or five remaining models that you haven't seen; they've been boxed. I think that they've been boxed.
G-Yeah, if you reveal two or three a season, after a few seasons, you're done, no more to show. And no where to go.
A- See, the thing for me, you've seen all these scenes on the cylon ships, or the gatherings of them and you've only seen these specific characters, so if you suddenly introduced a Chinese guy, you'd be …'Where the hell has he been?' If there are millions of copies of this model where has he been? You've seen 20 copies of Dorils, and 15 copies of Sixes. And it's a little chintzy if you go with or say more of the cast is cylon.
G-But I am sure there are people who watch everyone's moves. To see if they're showing signs.
A- That's part of the mystery. The possibility.
G-I would love if it was Khandyse McClure, (Dualla) personally.
T- wow, really?
A- yeah?
G- There are some long takes, like PT Anderson does in Magnolia, or Boogie Nights, that linger on her. And you see her thinking. There's a scene in the head with Gaeta that might be telling… man, if she's a cylon. I told my brother, if I am right about this thing…then man, you owe me something.
T- Well the show does go in unexpected ways. The show is so awesome, it's so unpredictable.
A-The audience nowadays is so much more sophisticated.
T- I have one coming up now that I am just dying to work on. I want something juicy.
G-Is it a Helo-centric storyline?
T- It is.
G-I'd like to bring up something about the show's storylines that you're not going to see elsewhere, (by this I mean that other shows would not tackle this topic) and it's not pleasant. The storyline where Grace's character was attacked and raped….a friend of mine finally saw that episode…and frankly her first sexual experience was being raped, and she saw that episode… (before I can even finish Aaron and Tamoh have looks of horror and shock on their faces and Aaron says " oh my fucking god' …{this puts both of them in the -these guys are real human, feeling, people, so it's a sure bet they're not from Hollywood-category}…and that episode just wrecked her. And she said 'Goddamn… that show. And she thought it was really well done. How it was handled. The empathy, the class in which it was handled. If you see someone in that situation, that's how you react, if you're human. Whether you're in love with the person or not. Now I knew this about her, but it's not at my forebrain all the time… but to have her say that made me stop and think… god, yeah… I can only imagine that there were thousands of women and men who saw that…
A- There are women who don't watch the show anymore. Because they were so horrified by that. It's real life. I am sorry, but…
(at this point, since we've somewhat referenced Abu Ghrab, I apologized as an American for our current administration. This led into a very off topic conversation about the current Canadian Prime Minister and how he's a conservative…)
T- More importantly… when that scene was happening, is it rape if it's a cylon?
G- Yeah, where do you draw that line for your enemies?
T- And she's talking to Apollo (actually, it was Adama) and she says basically, " What, it doesn't count as rape, because I am a cylon'? These parallels are obvious to what is happening today. We have a lot of separatism in religion and politics in the world.
G- I am with ya on that one…
T- It's sad. The fact is that so much of the west is ethnocentric.
G-(somewhat sarcastically) Why should they care about other cultures, when they've conquered them all and made them assume their McDonalds and Starbucks cultures and ways of life? (And then here was digression about Dr. Joseph Lowery and how I'd met him recently, and his lambasting of Bush at Coretta Scott King's funeral and more drinks were ordered.)
A- ...and how often are you going to have dialog with the president? In Canada you have to show up to the parliament and take heat from the other side. The liberals have lost hundreds of millions of dollars in scandals and we could not, in good conscience vote for them again. (Tamoh's father was a member of a leftist party in Canada) Just so we know, it is a minority, right?
G- huh?
T- A minority government...
G- oh yeah. no one I know voted for that guy.
T- He had all the money
G- and frankly, they (democrats) didn't present a viable enough candidate last time. saying "I am not George Bush" just isn't enough.
T- and wavering on topics as well.
G- if bobby Kennedy was still alive he could have walked right into the presidency...
T- yeah, for sure.
G- okay, sorry for the digression. Now, if it's okay, I'd like to talk about you some more. (they smile)
G- Aaron, do you think, as a person or a character that Tyrol took up with Callie because it was "easy"? It's not having to having to deal with the grief over Sharon v.1, and she's just 'there' you know?
A- I think that Tyrol has a genuine affection for her. He always has. it's just been more brotherly.
G- but that's creepy if you marry her.
A- I still think it's a little creepy
G- I mean, we're in the South and all right now...
A- But, no, the Chief is past Sharon . in as much as you can be. you carry that around the rest of your life. but you're not ...it's not in the forefront of your mind. yeah. it's as over as it's gonna be.
G- well, it could make for compelling television (I then have an aside to Tamoh, who's giving directions to someone on the phone. "We're in the Hilton, at Trader Vic's." See, I told you I went drinking with these guys!) ...but to watch you pine every week would get boring. with such as "Oh, I am sad, I am angry..."
A- oh god yeah. we need to get off the Sharon story. there are shows that do that kind of stuff, year after year.
G- and it becomes a mockery of the original story.
A- so I am glad that they got off it. I am glad.
G- how was filming the Kobol stuff? it looked cold and crappy.
A- that was a lot of fun. April in Vancouver . high 60's, 70's. we were in the rainforest, beautiful. wardrobe takes very good care of us when we need it. I remember it raining but it wasn't miserable.
G- must have been nice to be 'off the deck' and out of the studio.
A- it is nice to be out sometimes.
in regards to spoilers. I said I don't want to know too much and how I dislike that crap.
T- it's always surprising to me how many people do want to know.
I mentioned television without pity's website, and how it gives you a 4-5 sentence synopsis of the show, and someone can read it and think they know what's going on.
T- I hate that.
G- you can't see the looks of longing. or see the violence.
T (adamant) - you can't appreciate the story. you know the ending. what's the purpose?
G- Well, I do know the ending to the Bible, and according to that, it's all bad news. ( this makes them both laugh)
A- well it's a good thing that that's just a made up collection of stories and has no relevance in the world.
G - I am with you on that. 'cause given my 'druthers, I'd rather sleep late on Sundays... Can you let me know, especially since we just discussed spoilers.... can you let me know if Helo and Sharon v.2 find out that the baby's still alive?
T- do I know? Yes, I do know. and ya know, I think as an audience member it's probably a safe bet that I'll find out, right?
G- yes. but then where does that character's loyalty lie?
T- which character?
G- Helo.
T- well I think it's very clear he's a man of strong morals. integrity. values. once he knows his child's alive he'll do anything he can to save his child. Baby Hera ( p.s... her name is changed to Isis by Maya, her adoptive mother. and on an IMDB note, Maya is played be the same woman who is Deputy Lupo on Eureka on Sci-Fi as well) is an integral part of several storylines in season 3.
G- as I would imagine. I think it's clever to have Roslin teaching at the begging of season 3 and keeping an eye on her right there.
T- season 3 is a two part. two hours one week and then the 3rd hour the next.
G - I just got a DVR this past march, and that's so handy. since I have a lot of jobs and work in theatre I don't have to freak out if I miss it.
T- isn't it? I love mine too. Just got it 5 months ago. I have it loaded up. fights, mostly.
G- like boxing? my roommate is a middleweight boxer.
T- is he? yeah, boxing martial arts. I have the utmost respect for fighters and I love it. I love it (becoming really animated.) I have been into it for years
G- what do you do?
T- Muy-Thai mostly. for the last 6 or 7 years.
G- that's badass. (this is where I flash to how tall this guy is compared to my 5'1 self and think: man, he could knock my block clean off my neck with a kick)
T-I spar a lot and stuff, but hasn't gotten into the ring too much, just a couple of fights.
G- So didja like Ong-Bak?
T- Ong -Bak was incredible to me. The reason it was incredible is because I respect and love muy-thai so much. the amazing thing about that film is they show these ancient styles of fighting. they had, as you can see, no cables of nothing. (aside to Aaron, who doesn't seem to have seen the film. "this guy is the most amazing martial arts star that has ever been") the thing about it, they're showing it's traditional roots in there. those crocodile kicks...
G- yeah, you're not going to see that in a competition. did you know he's got a new film coming out, The Protector?
T- Yeah, I can't wait to see it. You'll never see those moves somewhere else. they are the moves that Thais used to use when they fought the Cambodians. the Burmese have a similar style, they don't have Muy-Thai though.
this is stuff that they would use to the death. so a lot of the stuff they showed in Ong-Bak, those were the 'finishing moves'
G- when I saw it about 2 years ago at BNAT it was the 2nd to last film we were seeing. we'd been watching movies since noon the say before and it was like 8 or 9 in the morning. you know, the final hurrah... and I went 'oh my god, my head is exploding!' when I/we watched it.
T- to be honest with you, there's not a film that's ever compared to that, in terms of action/stunts. there's not a stuntman who can do that.
G- there's your Jackie Chan's and stuff, but Jaa's so good...
T- (interrupting ) yeah but there's not a guy who can hold a candle to him.
G- yeah, and he's what, like 23?!?
T- well, older now, that was done in 2003 in Thailand .
G- at BNAT we sometimes see things that don't come out 'til way later. Like The Decent,
for example. We saw that last December. Not too good if you're claustrophobic.
T- I just saw that! Michael Trucco (Anders) is like 'you gotta see this!'
A brief explanation to Aaron about the film follows, ending with…
G- bad things happen...
T- oh yeah, bad things happen.
G- is Tyrol going to be leading the rebellion, like a 5th Columnist? (reminding all of you that this was done first weekend of September, and I am in fact, not an idiot to ask this a week after the season premier) Or is it going to be Tigh?
A- I would say Tigh is the head, and Anders and Tyrol are sort of the right-hand men.
G- Do you think if the events on New Caprica get resolved that Tyrol would be content going back to being 'just the chief' after leading the union and any events that follow?
A- umm, I think if everybody gets off the planet, that you have to take up your former post. it's the military. and if you're no the ship, you might as well fix planes, since that's what you're good at.
G - were you personally upset that they blew up your nice ship like 2 episodes after you created it? (this is a reference to the episode titled: Phoenix in which Chief Tyrol starts building a stealth-ship and is eventually helped by many of the crew, only to have it lost in the next episode when Apollo uses it to bomb the Resurrection Ship and it's blown out from under him)
A- (simply) YEP.
G- I mean, you just damn built that thing!
A- I know. I know (slightly grouchy about it) it took me six days to build that fucking thing (laughs) Yeah. Yeah, although it's a really interesting story, and I really liked that episode where it got built and all...
it was pretty sweet. it went out with a bang and it was used well, so I'll take it.
G- I was wondering if he felt bad about that...
G- in the scene in which you two had to deal with Grace's character getting attacked, was that especially hard to film? Because I would imagine it would be difficult to do take after take on it...
A- what you saw, what ended up I in the show, is such an infinitesimal part of it. they shot the rape all the way to the end. and so you've got Grace getting hammered by this guy, and taking it and taking it...
G- it must have been horrible to watch
T- oh yes.
A- and kudos to her she did a wonderful job with it. she's a wonderful actress and wonderful person . so yeah, any time you're dealing with heavy deep and real stuff it's hard.
T- I mean, we're sitting there listening to it. we're there in the hall, waiting for our cue. every take. we're listening to it start, and progress...
A- (interrupting) ... you wanted to go in before your cue to stop it. you really wanted to beat those actors. it was just wrong. We really wanted to fight them.
G- yeah...
A- it was really hard to shoot. and that's just us talking. and what Grace went through, all for the sake of truth.
Like Tamoh said before, this is what happens in life. and we have to show it sometimes.
T- On Battlestar we're not going to give you a fluffy, sugar coated parallel. at all. when we do stuff like that it's the raw deal.
G- in talking with Kate about the abortion storyline... (see previous interviews with Kate Vernon and Richard Hatch in AICN archives)
T- how those choices are made...Kids should not be watching this show.
G- you're to going to see this kind of content on NBC (parent company of Sci-Fi Channel)...
T- oh absolutely. they wouldn't do it.
G- I think it's excellent. on shows were a girl doest get pregnant she always magically miscarries before she can/had to make a choice. I think it's great that your writers, and the people who defend them get these shows on.
G- the chief's suicidal thoughts, and the beating of Callie, do you think that jives, with where he was going as a character? or did you feel that it was out of left field? Because you didn't see the build up to that as an audience member.
A- no, you didn't see the build- up. And I said the same thing! I called them (I assume he means the show runners or Ron Moore) and I said: where the hell does this come from? And they said: he's been having nightmares and sleepwalking. And so.. I kind of like it. You don't see people in life, people you know in life…
I mean you read about stuff like: the guy next door murdered his wife and family and hangs himself and everyone goes 'he was the nicest man in the world, a nice family'
So, it was ah… interesting. Because you see him at work all the time. but you never get to see him when he's off work. So obviously the chief's been dealing with a whole bunch of shit. And the preceding episodes I've had maybe one line here or there. So it makes you go, it makes the audience think… if you don't see someone for a while, who knows what they're up to? I liked the episode.
G- I remember my first reaction to that was: where did that come from? And then I thought about it. And it's okay that we didn't see that happening like 4 episodes of him waking up in a cold a sweat every night, for like 30 seconds at a time. Just have him finally freak out 4 episodes down that road. That would have been sloppy writing, to me.
A- Yeah, I agree.
G- how is working with Dean Stockwell? I mean he's been in everything.
A- he's been in 150 films. I said to him, you've been doing this a long time. He said: there are 4 people on the planet who've been doing this as long as me, Me, Mickey Rooney, Elizabeth Taylor and Robert Blake.
A-and I said: that's pretty good company. Two of those people are insane.
G- and/or should be in jail!
A- he laughed. And then he said "Who's insane?" I mean you can tell by watching him he's been around.
G- I remember watching The Boy With Green Hair when I was a kid with him in it, on TV…
A- he's a wonderful actor and person. He knows his lines. It was very cool to sit across from him and work.
T- I am glad you said that. When I first met him. He had this huge monolog written for him. A really nice piece of writing.
And he did it. First take. And Michael's like… (Michael Rymer, series' in-house director) (digressing a bit) …Michael's an amazing director. He's probably the reason the show's been so successful. And good as it is, he's devolved such a relationship with it over the years now that's great.
And Michael… he likes to kill it too. We' get like a thousand takes done, right? You know, he's just that strict. And Dean hit it on the first take and it was like bang-on. He didn't even know what to say to him. he had no idea. he said 'Do you want to try something different. 'cause that was perfect.'
G- will he make an appearances this season?
A- he's back in seasons 3 for sure. (of course, reading this now, we all know what a rat-frackin'-bastard he is)
he's very important.
G- I am glad that he's willing to do another sci-fi show.
T- he loves it. loves the show.
G- he's got a fan-base from Quantum Leap that may being new people to the show's audience. speaking of other stuff... I would love to know and confirm that Eddie Olmos is not as full of gravitas as he is on the show. that maybe he smiles once in a while?
T- oh! he does.
A- as soon as you yell cut he's giggling, and poking your belly. (yep, this is the same mental picture I am sure we all have of Tyrol and Adama's interactions. though, maybe in yours you don't her obsequious porn-like music in the background. Kidding!)
G- because he's got such a stately bearing an all.
A- as soon as you yell auction, he's there. it's like me, the chief's always walking around scowling and pissed off. seemingly. he's a goofball off-camera.
G- any good practical jokers amongst the cast/crew?
A- not really. no one really does that. we all have fun, it's certainly not what the cast of Stargate SG1 does, or other shows I've been on. (which Aaron was on previously) like someone will Vaseline all the furniture in someone else's trailer. that kind of stuff. or to pour liquid heat into costumes.
T- we like to laugh a lot. sometimes we're dealing with really heavy scenes. I remember being younger and being on set with older actors and being so nervous, so wound up that I couldn't enjoy it. do every take. do it right. the first time I got onto Cold Squad I saw Matt Benning (on BSG he plays Doril) and he's very tough and talented. and he's dealing with a pedophilia story, and it's really heavy... and right in the middle of it they're making jokes in between takes. they've been working together for 4 years straight...
G- ...they've got a rapport
T- a great rapport. and I am going ' how do they do that, joke around?' and right up to action they'd be screwing around right up 'til the cameras went on. and you grow to realize that you can do that. you have to, that's how it works. for these serious scenes you know? you have to.
G- do you think Helo will be fully trusted again?
T- no. never. you're dealing with racism. prejudice. history and nature. there's a certain animosity there. he's never be trusted by certain individuals. but the fact is, those who know him, you know, will trust him. you get to see where he's coming from. the Helo Sharon story is very much Romeo and Juliet.
G- does Grace get to come out of the cage in this season? I mean I am sure it's boring shooting in there all the time.
T- uh. yeah. she does. Definitely. here's a little spoiler. it's not much of one. you actually get to see some tender moments with Sharon and I. I really fought for them. it got to the point where you ... I actually said to David Eick, at the end of last season that you've got to show why they're together. what actually keeps them together.
G- ... it has to be more then the baby.
T- more then just screaming and yelling. and more then the baby. always fighting for each other's lives you know. so this year. it's great. I think everyone's going to be really happy. I mean, they love each other so much...
G- Explaining in a book or on film it's really hard to show why these people are in love. It's like you meet and 30 minutes later you're in love.
T- Exactly. You really have to show it.
When asked about Aaron's party-guy rep. he said he didn't know why he's gotten this.
I mentioned that Canadians in general (those I've met) are the most beer-drinkinest, pot-smokingest people I've ever met.
T- Its true. When hanging out with our American friend James the last two nights, we've been going out and getting annihilated. And he's all pissed, going ' fucking Canadians. I hate you. '
A- He's testing me all day long with 'I hate you. I fucking hate you' and I respond with 'one more night buddy, one more and we're all done here.'
G- Well, in the wintertime, all the Canadians do is drink beer, be funny and play hockey. We had no hockey (the year of woe as some of us call it)... my friend Liz equated no hockey to PMS. she Was cranky and moody and wanted to hit things all the time. I know we 'only' have the thrashers...
A- They're a great team
G- In Florida, in April I took time out from visiting my 103 year old grandmother to visit the Stanley Cup when it was on display.
T- You did?
G- Hell yeah, I have pictures. But I wasn't allowed to touch it as I am from a city that's not yet won it. It's weird; I work at a playhouse theater that you have to like Beastie Boys, NASCAR and Hockey to work there. And NASCAR is not just turning left at 200 mph I'll have you know.
T- Oh racecar drivers of that caliber, you have to be skilled... its way too fast. That's rugged.
G- There's a term: "rubbin's racin'"…it still counts.
T- That's some kind of theatre you work at.
G- Yeah, we're the most 'butch' theatre in town. (They laugh at this)
I also mentioned the improvised-wrestling show (B.R.A.W.L.) that we had just finished a run of, and how the Iron Sheik was at Dad's Garage Theatre 3 weeks prior to him being at Dragon Con.
T- We saw him! We were trying to do a radio interview and he was screaming! It was quite loud.
G- Are you getting more recognition on the streets of Vancouver ?
A- Not for me. There might be a bit of whispering and pointing, but they're not going to come over to you. In America… it's more space-invasion-y. Whereas in Canada... there's so much shooting there it's not like that. It's like 'hey Chief, love your show' and "Thanks, man."
T- There's definitely been a change.
G- Like a quantum shift in audience size.
T- It's always very respectful and polite which I love. It's my hometown. It's funny, I've had two experiences in the last little while where I have had very large men, and I mean large men…come up and scare me. I was in LA and there was this like 280 pound man and I'd noticed him, because his back was so large. Michael Trucco (Anders) was on the phone with his back to me, and this guy comes walking up to me, really aggressively. And I go Jesus Christ, look at that guy and he comes right at my face. I am wearing shades. And he's all: "Are you Helo?!?", and I go: Jesus, yeah I am. (Sigh of relief)
G- But you could bust out your amazing martial arts on him…
T- But it's hard when he outweighs you like 80 pounds and his back was the size of … (I say, "A Cadillac?")... Oh my god, literally. Not fat, just pure muscle. It was cool, though. A good experience.
And after this it was time for the fellas to go to a dinner date that surely had more drinking involved (sorry, James). I have to say, Aaron and Tamoh were very gracious with their time with me, especially after a day of panels and autograph sessions with hundreds of people. I saw Tony Jaa's new film about a week after this interview, and I kept wishing I had seen it with Tamoh, so we could geek out about how damn cool that guy is. These guys were pretty damn cool to hang out with too. Watch them fight the good fight against their robot overlords every Friday on the Sci-Fi Channel.
~peace out, GrendyKhan
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What the hell is that question of do the Adama boys find out about the deaths of Roslin and Zarek? We saw Roslin in the previews last week. The only one who could have died was Zarek, and I doubt that, because then all the Old-School BSGers would raid Ron Moore's house, shouting Moore Ron! Moore Ron!
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Have we seen this Maneuver yet and I missed it? Is it a jump that takes place with a high rate of speed and dangerously low drop in?
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Grendy keeps misspelling it.
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I'm thinking that it's the raptors/battlestar's jumping into a known combat zone. My guess is that the episode ends with Galactica jumping into the atmosphere over 'New Caprica.'
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Great interview Grendy, much appreciated. I'm probably the only aussie who watches BSG (frakked if I can find anyone else down here who does). Perhaps a Battlestar Down Under website is in order. It'd be awesome if any of the BSG crew could visit Australia for a convention. Especially Tahmoh and Aaron, for the simple reason of challenging them to a Canadian vs Australian drinking contest. Yep, that's a challenge. Bring it on. Speaking of hockey, how's the Canadian cricket team doing these days, are they in the 2007 ICC World Cup? ;) And Tahmoh, two words for you -- kung fu, my friend. Kung. fu. And no, that one is NOT a challenge! One day, dear Grendy, the Gods will grant us a Tony Jaa/Jet Li film. Thanks much for the interview. And yes, I'm drunk.
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I hope you apologized AS an American, not on behalf of ALL Americans. I really hope you did that.
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They seem like the most down to Earth couple of guys. It's cool that they seem so breezy together in person, because the scenes they had together in Season 2 illustrated a pretty good chemistry. Seems like they're buds in real life too.What I'd really like for the show to touch on is the infrastructure in the fleet. Where's the food coming from? How are they recruiting? Have they set up a University to train the fleet's future Doctors and Engineers? Something that illustrates that there is a group that are looking at the longterm longevity of the fleet, whereas the Galactica is concerned with the immediate survival. One of the more interesting aspects of a show set after a significant calamity is how does society reform itself and in what ways does it change. Outside of the Black Market episode, which could have been much better, there hasn't been much that has touched on this. There are a significant amount of storylines that explore what is happening inside of the fleet. You know, forgive me for the comparison, but there is a potential for exploring an aspect of "The West Wing" meets Battlestar Galactica.
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All right, we haven't seen the episode yet but why would you send the older ready for retirement Galactica into combat against five Cylon Basestars and not the newer far more advanced Pegasus?
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then someone needs to, rest of the worlds pretty tired of giving benefit of the doubt... those parts that ever did
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It wasn't Herc. Read carefully.I hope he apologized for me.
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Thanks so much, that was a really fantastic interview. It's nice to see that those guys are as big fans of the show as we are, they seem pretty cool. As an aside, I could have done without the political stuff (The West is ethnocentric? Yeah, 'cause in the Middle East no one has a problem with other ethnicities, especially the Jews. They love 'em! They live and work peacefully alongside them, elect them to public office, even intermarry with them, just like we don't do here I guess. Sorry for the rant.) but once I got past that part it was one of the more interesting interviews I've read here in some time. Keep up the good work!
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That comment should have been (and now is) directed at Grendy.
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Herc -- Sorry if this is old news (haven't monitored all the Talkbacks), but I was watching Supernatural last night (not "Buffy" good, but still an entertaining show), and lo and behold, who should play the part of vampiress (vampress?) Lenore but the lovely and talented Amber Benson! I recall you speaking favorably of her in times past, so if you are indeed a fan, you might wish to catch the ep on the flipside, maybe off Bittorrent or the like. Well worth it for that alone. Might be enough for you to give the show a Talkback now and then. ;-) Oh, and Amy Acker's also been on before, fwiw.
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That's the best news to come down the pike since I heard GW Bush has been impeached, tarred and feathered. Oh, wait...that was my dream last night. Sigh. These guys are the bees knees and I'd sure like to crack open a Molsen, put "Paul's Boutique" on the CD player, spark up a fat one and watch "The Rumble in the Jungle/When We Were Kings" with the Chief and Helo. What a great couple of guys!! Looking forward to tonight's episode....right after Yoga class at Gold's Gym: Waldorf MD. Thanks for the quality to all persons involved with this show...it's simply incredible!!!
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That was a nice interview. I always dig when Con guests hang out and have normal conversations.
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Personally, I think Cally is the one who's gonna bite it. She'll run into the firefight in the forest or something. My theory (and its just a theory) is that the human police fired on the approaching cylons. If you remember, they were all in a group and then ran to one side as the cylons approached, then the scene changed to Cally running and you heard gunfire, but we never actually SAW the cylons firing. It would be cool if the police turned on the cylons and saved the day. Yeah, its a weak theory, I know, but possible...
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What a little pussy.
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As I recall, one of the reasons the Galactica survived the Cylon Invasion was because it was old skool technology and wasn't on the net - or whatever they're calling it. What's the deal with the Pegasus? Can it be hacked?
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I've been saying that since the pilot. She's too hot to be human.
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Hmm... who knows? She's got nice cans though, either way...lol.
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...and not becuase he's too hot to be human (like Dualla).
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I know a bunch of the costumed people at DragonCon, our Stargate group has had a massive presence at DragonCon over the last several years and we are now getting into BSG costuming. If you're interested at all please come check out our new website - http://www.scifihero.net - Costume guides are being built as we speak. I am personally working on the Viper pilot flightsuit costume guide.
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Or rather, I HOPE he's not a cylon. That would just be too depressing. Though I could see how it would make a good story if he turned out to be a sleeper. However, if he WERE a cylon, how would you explain him having children, unless his kids were cylons too?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEEgJ1dfqOg
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Hey, did anybody notice the show is kind of an allegory on the situation in Iraq?
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I apologized as an American for our current administration
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How do you say "pussy" in French?
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But hey, he managed to suck up to them enough to get some good show info before heading back to DailyKos.
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He had 2 kids. Up until recently Cylons couldn't reproduce via sex. That's why Boomer's baby was so important to them. And now evidently so is Starbuck's. Why would they be a big deal if the old man was a cylon and had knocked up Apollo's mom years earlier? Also Apollo would be half cylon if that were the case and that would just be to fraked up.
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I've seen Exodus Part 1 and 2...Googamama's theory is wrong regarding the secret police, but right about not seeing where the gunfire is coming from...
And when the Battlestar jumps in during Part 2...frakking coolest jump ever!
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Um, Adama could be a Cylon, if they abducted the real one and replaced him with a Cylon copy. Roslin better not be dead, I love her.
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I was at Dragon Con and I'm sure everyone in the discussion would be fun as hell to grab a beer with. But, I just love how 95% of the folks involved in the entertainment industry just assume as a fact of life that everyone in "fly-over country" who disagrees with their take on politics need to be apologized for as an embarassment. So much for open mindedness and tolerance, huh?
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...why is Kentucky Colonel making sure to let us know his gym is in Waldorf, Maryland?
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Make sure to have some quiche with that w(h)ine when your plane lands. "I've ignored many slams and slights of the conservative viewpoint from this sight for years but that is the final straw."
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Last week's episodes kicked my @$$ all over the place, but I have one question: Was that a live daggit or a robotic pet, ala' Muffit from the original BSG series? Just asking, since it didn't really seem to mind that its food bowl was always empty and often upside down.
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I'm probably wasting my time by posting this, but whatever, it's on my mind. I have no objection to anyone expressing their political opinion. It's part of what makes a free society strong. But politics is always a divisive topic, and it's wise to consider if it has a place in the context of an article such as this. AICN is a place where movie- and TV-lovers of all makes and models can come and enjoy their shared passions together. Injecting political rhetoric into that context can ONLY have negative results. Those who agree will continue to agree. Many of those who disagree will, at the very least, be irritated. At the worst, they'll now feel alienated from a place where they previously felt comfortable, and their disagreement hasn't changed. (If anything, their stereotypes of those who hold the opposing view have probably been reinforced.) It's an abuse of the forum in my opinion, and I feel a conscientious editor would discourage such digressions.
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...that I'm only talking about political commentary in the articles themselves, not in the Talkback. Sorry if that was unclear.
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Better than being half wrong, I suppose.... Wait a minute...
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Did anyone else find humor in the fact that Grendy clearly has no idea about what the Hell the political commentary actually IS in Battlestar Galactica? If Grendy is seeing the Cylon occupation as some kind of indictment against the Bush administration ... wow. Talk about bringing your baggage into the show. The nice thing about this allegory is that the waters are muddied and the heros and villians are not drwan in black and white terms. BOTH sides in the show are shown committing questionable acts, and hmmmm, any person without an agenda just might see THAT as the real life parallel.
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of last week's premiere? I don't remember anyone dying, but now he says Roslin is dead? They certainly didn't make that clear, so is Herc spoiling us, guessing, or what?
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Go back and watch the season 2 episode 'Pegasus' and PAY ATTENTION.
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the best Las Vegas premiere in the history of Las Vegas permieres held on Friday October 13th 2006
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That an American who turtles to foreigners ...
Or foreigners (especially actors), who think they are profound when they talk about American politics.
//Aaron might be cool, but he's drinking the Canadian Cool-Aid (Canucks fan) too much.
///T: He has a weird-ass name. Must be a terrorist. Should have been killed on Caprica.
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So one of the Cylon models gets boxed, huh? I think we can assume it's one of the special guest stars - Dean Stockwell or Xena. But it would be hard for me to guess which one. They're giving Dean a lot of opportunity to chew the scenery, so he's probably happy as a clam with his new BSG gig. Maybe they're getting rid of Xena. Then again, it's possible the Cylons would turn off every Sharon just to stop the one that apparently is now going to start fucking with them. It's also possible they would turn off every Six so that Six can devote all her time to Canada's Next Top Model. This could go a lot of different ways. Oh, and obviously Roslin and Zarek live because the machinegun fire was Caprica Sharon taking over the centurions and making them fire at the human police - why else telegraph the fact that the centurions can't tell different Humlon individuals of the same "number" apart?
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Last week he said a major character died and this week he says Roslin and Zarek are dead. Neither of which is apparenly true, huh? I thought Herc saw the first 5 episodes.
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There. Somebody had to say it.
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I appreciate your post, and I do understand what you're saying. But they weren't even talking about the overall politics of the show, they were talking about a rape scene and its impact on female viewers. The author then says that since they've now referenced Abu Graib (I don't see a reference to it, but whatever) he felt it necessary to apologize as an American for our current administration, which I find to be a considerable leap, and completely unnecessary (not to mention rather nauseatingly obsequious). If one of the interviewees wants to make a political statement, that's one thing. But for the interviewer to do so is opportunistic and, as I said before, an abuse of the forum. Please don't misunderstand, I think the author is entitled to his views and is just as entitled to express them. I just have to wonder what purpose is meant to be served by injecting that kind of polarizing rhetoric into the middle of an interview about a sci-fi show. (As an aside, I've been reading on the BSG forums at scifi.com that RDM is feverishly denying that the situation on New Caprica is modeled after Iraq, instead he says it's modeled after Vichy France, which is what I thought too while watching the premiere.)
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Why is a human doctor operating on a cylon? Cylon skinjobs HAVE doctors -- the one that took out Starbuck's ovaries...
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SPOILER!! Starbuck will not strangle that thing. At least for another two episodes.
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Did I mention her deadly optic blasts?? What a giveaway!!
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That's somewhere in my top three list for this show. I hope they keep up this calibur all season. Still, I've gotta know. Why exactly are the cylons occupying the humans anyway? What is it they hope to gain? Why nuke them in the first place, for that matter? I was hoping to get a little more insight on that before they leave Mudball. ...... Tigh is now officially my favorite character. Sure, he's an ass plenty of the time, but he's the most interesting one on the show. I can see why the Old Man keeps him around. That look on his face. I had no fucking idea what he was going to do. Hell, I still don't. I mean, he still loves her and all and wouldn't kill her, but I can't see him staying with her either. ...... I'm not sure what they meant bout Sharon having the "launch keys", must have missed something. But they were stupid to trust her and she was stupid to trust them. I guess she's programmed to be stupid to better resemble humanity. Anyway, this has now officially topped Lost for me as favorite on-air show.
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...not hilighted in the middle of the page, spoiler alert not withstanding. Oh yeah, and you raped my childhood!
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Also, once the soothsay gets messages about her, you know she's supposed to have some enormous role regarding the future of the human race.
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I think baltar is the cylon. Sure he may have created the cylons, but he may have been converted to a cylon. That explains all the mind visits with seven.
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Cause I get a free mountain bike if I get you to sign up for membership. Also, you can look at my hot ass wife in her workout tights...I'm the geek in the tye-dye shirt next to the hot red head...
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does the pegasus retrack its "outriggers" like the galatica before an FTL jump?
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to let you know I no longer reside in RED STATE Kentucky. Don't get me wrong, my ass belongs to Bluegrass, but since moving to Maryland/DC I've found I have a taste for REAL metropolitan life, and not just life in a small big city/ a large small town (whichever). Kentucky is great, and when it comes time to raise my child that's where it will be. But to be a young married couple there's fewer places as exciting (or scary as hell) than Washington, DC.
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damnitall...I wish we could get two hours every week! Sharon is gonna pop two more into Adama when she finds out her baby is still alive. And I think it will take more than a message from "Ziggy" to keep Dean's model going balls out psycho. Is it next Friday yet???
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Somebody please give some food and water to good old Jake...that daggit has played a key role in helping the resistance! Maybe a rawhide, too!
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But... but... but why?
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When the last episode ended, Callie was running through the woods when the gunfire started. Cut to this episode, Callie is running through the dirt, not the woods, and Chief tackles her just as the gunfire happens.
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...I did the interviews, not Herc.
And, I am a girl, not a boy, so calling me a pussy, while accurate, is not appreciated.
Also, I am not some selling-out-my-country liberal. I don't attack your smallmindedness, so you don't attack someone who maybe has read a book or two and just doesn't channel surf on Fox News all day. Deal?
I mean, I don't go down to the docks when YOU'RE working and slap the dick outta your mouth, do I?
(this is to all the 'men' out there who think that someone not agreeing with how things are currently being run is against the rules. P.S. boys, my being able to disagree with something is a RIGHT that I have, just like how I can mock your dick-suckin' job is a RIGHT I chose to take advantage of.)
For the rest that liked the interviews of the BSG people these last two weeks, much appreciated. It was great fun to do, and I am glad other people get to know these people a bit more then just how they present on the show.
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Yeah, I think they did cheat. Definitely a different environment, definitely a different chain of events. But I'm willing to forgive a lot on a show this good. (Which Prior Walter are you, by the way?) ;-)
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Insulting a "RIGHT WINGER", a paint by numbers activity
by optimus murphy
1.Declare "RIGHT WINGER"'s smallmindedness...check. 2. Declare your own intelligence greater...check. 3. Make a Fox News reference...check. 4. File accusation that the "RIGHT WINGER" does not tolerate dissent...check. 4. Call the "RIGHT WINGER" a homo...check.
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Just to let you know, there is some serious potential spoilerage at the end of that four minute clip. Eye-popping shit, no doubt (and I don't mean Col. Tigh, either). BTW- the code is HERA in case you went to take a leak.
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Political dissent is American...apologizing to non-Americans for what our country has done is a spineless gutless move. Next time you interview Ken Watanabe, maybe you should apologize for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
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Something big wil be missing after next week's episode. Those who saw next week's preview can probably figure it out.
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Thank you very much for the interview, I really did enjoy reading it and I hope to see more in the future. On the other unfortunate subject, I hope you know that not all of us who lean somewhat to the right are illiterate knee-jerk knuckle-draggers as a few here have chosen to represent themselves. Most of us know that people of conscience can hold opposing viewpoints in good faith. I don't agree with some of your views, but I respect them and your right to express them. I only question your decision to express them in this particular context. Again, it's your right to do so, and I would never want to see that right diminished in any way. But I feel that we are wisest when we choose the place and time for certain things. Your political views are perfectly valid, but surely you don't expect anyone was looking to find them in a BSG interview. And it does leave a bad taste in the mouths of many readers who otherwise would have enjoyed your interview so much more. You had to know your comments would upset a significant portion of your audience, and I have to wonder how you felt that would improve the interview. I'm sure it's not difficult to imagine the reverse situation, and experiencing that moment when all that positive energy you've absorbed from this article you've been enjoying suddenly deflates. Maybe not, I don't know. Anyway, thank you again for the interview. I hope you will continue to offer more for us to enjoy, and I sincerely hope you will take my comments in the manner in which they were intended. Be well!
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I feel that the Brother Christopher cylon (Dean Stockwell) is proabably the earliest model of the human-looking ones. I mean, 1, he's older then Adama and 2, he's FRACKIN' old!...and 3, the others seem to hold him in high esteem. i mean, he's the one working w/ Ellen to get info.
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I feel that the Brother Christopher cylon (Dean Stockwell) is proabably the earliest model of the human-looking ones. I mean, 1, he's older then Adama and 2, he's FRACKIN' old!...and 3, the others seem to hold him in high esteem. i mean, he's the one working w/ Ellen to get info.
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I loved every word of the interview. It really made the 24 hour delay on the next BSG episode (it's a US/Canada thing) bearable for me here in North Vancouver!
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I was completly being sarcastic in my reply. I don't care what people say about my conversation with these fellas. It happened. I could have edited it out, to please some people, or to make myself look better, but what would that do?
Make a few people happier with the interview? Why does that matter?
Read what you like, discard the rest. Simple. It's like the off button on your TV. Ron2112, I appreciated your comments, they were well-phrased and thoughtfull.
As for NHRonin, I don't care what you think of me. Also, simple. As for kissing my mother, well, that would be creepy, and difficult as she's dead and in a locked urn in my brother's house. That was not sarcasm, just fact. And OptimusMurphy, didja notice the attacks on me were paint-by-numbers as well? I know it's petty to answer like with like, but ah well. I am a well read person with a sense of what is right about this country, and what's wrong, and I am entitled to it. I vote, I pay taxes, I've served on juries. Those are the things the governments asks of you to be a citizen.
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The problem is not having opposing political views. Its the fact that, although BSG is somewhat of an allegory for current world events (well at least some people see it that way; I would say that those people are more likely to hold certain other views, but thats another post entirely)an interview with two cast members is not an appropriate place to air your political views, one way or the other. Also, as another poster pointed out (in a bit of an inelegant way), you shouldn't really go vulgar and closedminded in your criticism of others as vulgar and closedminded. The fact is, being a conservative does not automatically make someone a moron. Watching Fox News does not make someone a moron. There are probably an equal number of morons who voted for Bush as there are morons who voted for Kerry.
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see? this is how discourse is done.
The comment I made, or responded to took about 2 minutes of an interview that was over an hour long. i find it funny how much more time here has been made then it actually took to happen. funny.
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Never gonna happen son. Li uses wires too much, Tony would get decapitated trying to fight him, and that I won't stand for. Or Tamoh for that matter. Did I mention that that dude's TALL? He'll kick everyone's ass if that happens. I hope he sees this and laughs.
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Grendy's "apology" has nothing to do with being a liberal. I am a hardcore social liberal and think Bush is a numbnut, but asking forgiveness from Canadians because you think the administration is wrong is like going to your neighbors house and bashing your family. You shit on your family in your own home. You don't beg someone to forgive you for being in that family. You are not very bright. Being against Bush and against the war in Iraq doesn't make you un-American... saying you are ashamed of your country is. No one is making you live here. If you truly feel that way, why not move to Canada? We won't stop you.
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Theories on the prophecy or the nature of the Oracle?
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neither political party has the high moral road. Right wingers are narrowminded and preachy. Left wingers are arrogant pricks who think they are smarter than everyone. Both sides think that you are either part of the solution, or part of the problem. And you know what Obi Wan thinks of people who deal in absolutes
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He was saying some weird things at the panel. Saw him walking around the day before...alot shorter than I expected. He's got kind of young Brian Denehy(I know, I misspelled)look and he seems huge on the show to me. Everybody on that show must be tiny. Anyway, Just thought I'd share.
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Grendy brings it and kicked ass. Plus, this is still the USA. We haven't banned open discourse yet. So if you don't like what Grendy said, well, if that shit sticks a little going down the throat you can take a long chug of SHUT THE FUCK UP and sling it back like you do with your morning chocolate milk in your sippy cup, ya big babies.
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The first ammendment loved by americans, only seems to be embraced when it stands by the conservative opinion... seems that freedom of speech is something that must be ok'ed by everyone before its acceptable?
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The oracle said that D'Anna will undo everything she's done on New Caprica by embracing Hera. There WILL be a new era btwn humans and Cylons but it will triggered by Hera and not the New Caprica regime.
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So Nordling.....Grendy has a right to say what she wants but no one else has a right to state their opinions about what she says?
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I guess people can't get it through their heads that the political stuff was completely out of left field (no pun intended) and serves no purpose in the interview. In the course of any interview there are bound to be many asides and anecdotes that don't fit into the overall theme of the interview, a good reporter edits out those bits so the interview remains coherent and relevant to what the interview is supposed to be about, in this case it was supposed to be about BSG not GWB. And before anyone says Grendy isn't a professional reporter and therefore not beholden to any such rule, then I say stop calling this an interview then and acknowledge she was just trying to get the guys naked by pouring drinks down their throats.
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*shocked* Jet Li does not use wires! You lie! Nooooo!! *ahem* I'll be writing a letter to SciFi.com about the webisodes and BSG extras only being available to the USA. I'll email it to Grendy or someone here at AICN to post, so everyone can send and sign their own copy. They probably won't care, but it's worth a shot. And once again, thanks for the interview, Grendy. Conversations are the best kind of interviews. ;) And on behalf of all Australians who didn't vote for the conservative party, I'd like to apologise for the embarrassment that we call our leader, Prime Minister John Howard.
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Everyone has the right to say whatever the fuck they want, period. That's what is great about this country. You can be a liberal pussy or a right-wing douchebag all you want.
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I thought I was losing my mind. Dee says for Helo to take care of Adama, then Helo tells Dee she should take care of their son. ?!?!? I thought maybe I mis-heard. That maybe Helo said for her to take care of THE son, ie Apollo, Adama's son. But that is just an awkward way to say to take care of Apollo. And the caption has him saying, "Take care of our son." What the hell?
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I thought I was losing my mind. Dee says for Helo to take care of Adama, then Helo tells Dee she should take care of their son. ?!?!? I thought maybe I mis-heard. That maybe Helo said for her to take care of THE son, ie Apollo, Adama's son. But that is just an awkward way to say to take care of Apollo. And the caption has him saying, "Take care of our son." What the hell?
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I can't help but think of Red Green every time Tigh talks. Anyone else?
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The Duke would be sickened by all of you thin-skinned whiny-ass right-wingers. "Oh, some guy from AICN and two actors made non-laudatory comments about The President and America. And worst of all I read it! There was no way to avert my eyes! The horror!" Pathetic. Now granted, if I had been in Grendy's shoes I wouldn't have apologized for my country. About half of us voted correctly last time.
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Col. Tigh has become my favorite character of the series. Yeah, he's an asshole but he does what he has to do. I hate to see what happens between his wife and him. Thought they have great chemistry as actors. Love all the little things going on in the series. Will be interesting to see what happens after the escape. I will am curious to see the flashbacks that fill up what happened in the year gap.Also, I watched the two parter of the original BSG on Sci-Fi Friday morning. It was the "Pegasus" episodes. Wonder if this is foreshawdowing of things to come. As one talkbacker said earlier I wish they would have this be a two hour show each week instead of one.
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Jinxo, yes, I heard that too and spent a few moments saying WTF?!? Then I got caught up in the episode and forgot about it until you just mentioned it. What the hell is that all about? I think it's time to check the BSG forum and see if anyone's talking about that... eh, they don't know. Half of 'em say he said "his son," referring to Apollo, which I think is bullshit. The other half think he said "our son" and are as confused as us. One or two think something happened during the year they skipped that we don't know about.
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What? A group of creatures who lie, deceive, manipulate, and kill might be lying about the kid just so they can further their own agenda? . . . The second the kid was shown it should have been obvious that she was a fake. They need love to make the babies (or so they think) so this is all a ploy to get Starbuck to fall in love with the cylon.
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The first two seasons I couldn't stand the guy. Old, weak, whiny, he was pretty useless, always trying to come across tough but really looking like a feeble old man. That's why I'm so surprised to actually finding myself liking the old fart. He has a fierceness about him so far this season, although his deep hatred for Cylons will not serve him well, I have a feeling. Though I guess if someone poked my eye out I would be deeply biased too.
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KC=Kentucky Colonel. Get it?
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...has no relevance in the world today? Even an agnostic like me finds this statement ludicrous. Half the world is fighting over the words in this book!...Just because you don't think the Bible is "the truth" means it should all be discarded. Although much if it is no longer releavant, there is wisdom in it, in particular the teachings of Jesus, whose moral philosophy is timeless. You don't have to believe he was the son of god in order to appreciate his words.
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Another guy who thinks he's going to be intelligent and spout off on the First Amendment. It only applies to the federal government infringing on free speech. Any private company has every right to infringe upon your speech if you work for them. Parents have the right to infringe on children's speech. Schools can infringe on students speech. Get it.
So for example, if commerical radio chooses not to play the Dixie Chicks it's not infringing on their free speech.
If Grendy choose to exercise her free speech in a manner that I or any other poster finds unacceptable, we have every right to in turn exercise our opinion.
The kicker is if Harry decided he didn't like what we had to say, he could choose to delete our posts and IT WOULD NOT BE INFRINGING ON OUR RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH....since of course (foot stomper here), AICN is a privately owned website.
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The audio on that scene must have been a little muddy, because it took me a second to figure out what was said, too. There is no reason to think that Helo and Dee could have had a son in the 4 months since the Cylons showed up, so it is pretty certain that Helo told Dee to take care of her husband, Lee Adama.
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I've been watching the old ones in HD, now the new ones look terrible. I can't go back!
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Why do you guys insist on guy-a-fying me? And what I said the Tamoh and Aaron was said over the course of a nice conversation. I set the dig-recorder on the table, we had drinks and talked. Some of my questions were written ahead of time, so I would have talking points to start with, and others just came along in the convesation. As for the 'collection of stories' line, if you look, that was Aaron speaking. I don't necessarily agree or disagree with that statement, and I mostly held my beliefs to myself on that one. I just felt that since we had been talking a bit of politics, and I am allowed to be an actual person with an opinion and not a robotic questioning machine, that a little give and take was in order. Big whoop. I will not apologize to you or anyone else for that. I see no need. And HairyNuts, I was most certainly not trying to get them drunk and jump on them. That would be base and make me a starfucker, which I am not. I find it strange that you see me as Liberal Guy when you read my interviews, but a starfuking girl when it suits to to belive so.
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Great interview , i love you
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Frak me, BSG kicks the living shit out of EVERY other show. It better NEVER move to NBC or else the shark will have been well and truly jumped. If it moves to NBC they will have to bow to too many powers-that-be. Even frakkin' Lindelof is having to bow to ABC execs due to the lack of awards for Lost season 2. BSG doesn't need motherfrakkin' awards because awards are fake for show/network promotion, BSG is ABOVE awards.
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... after last night's ep, it's seems fairly clear that the Cylons are degrading with each "resurrection". Or perhaps evolving. Certain models are changing their thinking, one outright murdered another in the presence of the group, the Dean Stockwell model is complaining of headaches, the D'anna even went to -- and believed! -- a human oracle... something is not right in Toasterville. ------------- And as for the whole "other Cylon in the fleet" argument, after re-watching some early eps, I'm convinced it's Starbuck.
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I'd love to dear Grendy, but alas, the land down under is populated by just as many fools as the US. Our population might be a lot smaller, but the ratio of fools to people with sense is about the same, we're outnumbered 2:1. We don't even have Steve Irwin anymore. :(
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Does it finally meet its fate next week. Personally I hope not but it sure looks like it does!
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Not having even rewatched some earlier episodes, I think you may be on to something. A friend of mine posed a question to me tonight,and I couldn't come up with a decent answer: Why are the Cylons so crazy about getting Hera back, considering they seem to have created another hybrid in Casey. The only logical explaniations are that the child is simply a full Cylon (possibly a newer model), a full human (Starbuck's egg with a human sperm donor) or a Cylon created from a Cylon Starbuck egg and a Cylon sperm donor.
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Think of it this way: no Cylon, except maybe Nuke Six, has ever actually died. Every Cylon individual is continually reborn. Hera is half Cylon, but they can't account for her. They're machines, and probably inclined to be meticulous. Picture what our Marine Corps would be like if only one marine had ever died in action, and the Marines heard that the North Koreans had a marine hidden somewhere. They'd be obsessed with getting him back. It wouldn't matter that he was just one guy.
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Cylons believe they have souls and humans have lost theirs. Humans can die. Without death, the soul holds less meaning. By combining a soul (cylon) with a mortal being (human), you in essence create a being that can eventually be one with god in death.
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Brilliant theory. Utterly brilliant.
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Cylons must have Hera because they will need to learn how to make copies of the hybrid Hera if Hera-like models portend the future of the Cylons...Also, Hera will have to be exhaustively studied for adaptations and enhancements which can be gleaned by the Cylons.
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is Laura Roslin herself, Mary McDonnell. She is not flashy, but she damn does she look good in her business suits!
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Was hot in her younger days , she has to be close to 60 or something like that now.
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Combat Jump!! Can we finally have some Galactica Smackdown please?? The Cylons have been bitch slapping the survivors around the galaxy since season 1. It's about time for some payback...Tigh is just the man to lead the way..loses eye, toaster fucking traiterous wife...We need a Rocky montage Tigh training segment..followed by balls out m-60 machine gunning of the camp...
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I smell a rat! Maybe because Kacee was made in a lab and Hera is natural, but I think it's more likely that they just snatched a kid. Starbuck is gonna save her and raise her like her own!
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How does responding sympathetically to hearing about a rape make you a down-to-earth, average joe? They are, after all, actors. And, they do, after all, care about their careers and what people think of them. Besides, you can be sympathetic about sexual abuse and still be a prick. Little known fact there. What actor, or person in general, would respond to "my friend had been raped" any other way? It was an interview, not a wire-tap. (Now that I've referenced the wire-tapping scandal, I want to apologize to all of you for the administration...which I didn't vote for, but I've taken to apologizing for other people because it lets others know my political views. Now, you owe me a belly rub, Mr. Non-American...Rub my belly, damn you!)
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"As soon as you yell auction, he's there"! Olmos must be an ebay fan!
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As one of the 95+% rest of the world than america I appreciate any americans prepared to apologise for their country. It gives me comfort that at least some of them get some part of the burden of what they are responsible for. Where else am I to see it if not interviews?
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I'd suggest that KC is actually Kara's Clone, not Kara's Cylon. They're experimenting with reproduction, but Hera's the only proper success.
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Mary Mcdonnell ( Rosilin ) is 54.
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haven't the cylons been preoccupied with comprehending love? if i'm right, than thats why they wan't Hera. she was conceived through love, whereas KC was conceived in a lab (which makes her a manufactured product, quite similar to the cylons). it's a long shot, i know. and by the way...Mary Mcdonnel IS totally bangable.
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The Cylons really haven't shown that they're that interested in her. Until this episode, they've had about 16 months to show some interest, and they haven't. When they showed up on New Caprica they pretty much just took the Colonials' word that she was dead, until Xena started having dreams. And even now we have no evidence that they care all that much - it seemed like the only reason Xena even brought it up was that she happened to be facing Sharon at a moment when hitting her with a mind fuck seemed like a sound tactical idea. I don't think all the Cylons are on the same page about anything at this point. Cavil definitely gives off a vibe of having his own sub-plan that may or may not include the other skin jobs in the end.
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I'm not responsible for what my governement does. I'm ashamed of what they do, but I have no control over it. They steal my money at gunpoint, and use it to fund wars in my name. People have been getting fucked by their goverments in this way since the beginning of human history. You don't blame the victim. To say that I share some burden is bullshit. I'm responsible only for my actions, not my countrys', not my ancestors' and not my race. That kind of thinking is precisely what fuels wars and the myth of nationalism.
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I like Lucy Lawless as a guest star. It'll be a shame if she leaves the show forever due to the number 3 Cylon being permanently 'boxed'. This isn't happening yet though as far as I'm aware.
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but I didn't vote for him, nor anyone in his party, and my country has been hijacked along with the rest of the world by the lot of them. Maybe with the upcoming election the Democrats can win back both the House and the Senate, and if so (and people aren't talking 'bout this yet, BUT...) maybe we can start some impeachmnet proceedings. The only reason they haven't been started yet is because his party has control of the House and the Senate (and, vicariously, the Supreme Court). America's system was set up to be "trilateral" in that no one party was supposed to have charge of Legislative, Judicial and Presidential offices all at once, which has been the case for the last six years. Again, I say, wake me on Jan 20, 2009 at 11:58am. Oh, and I would totally do Roslin/Mary. I have this thing for redheads, you see....
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I would do Roslin followed by Calli then a lot of Lucy Lawless to top it off. Me horny.
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Sure no one cares, but I finally caught up. A couple things: 1) they totally cheated with Cally. 2) I think Leoben will be the one who gets boxed; we haven't seen him anywhere else. 3) I want to say that Caprica 6 seeing Baltar in her head was frakking awesome. 4) The Cylon occupation makes NO FREAKING SENSE. I'm sorry, unless someone comes forward and tells us WHY the Cylons, after going away, decides to take control when they find New Caprica, I'm going to be wary as to whether TPTB actually know what they're doing. 5) As anyone noticed that the show is paralleling Kingdom Come a lot more than it is Iraq? All we need is hologram cylons preaching faith in the One True God and it'd be perfect. Of course, one has to ask: why aren't the Cylons preaching? That would make #4 possibly answered. 6) Kentucky Colonel: hate to break it for you, but you did vote for GWB in 2004. Also, be wary of what you wish for: the last time a party gained control of the house and senate, they overplayed their hand and lost the next presidential election.
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President Roslin hid her because she knew the Cylons would want her once discovered her existence. Also, Six made a BIG DEAL about the baby she and Baltar would have: "Our baby will be born in this room" -- enter Hera. It may not have been fully played out as of yet, but "Hera" or a Hera-like hybrid is both greatly desired and part of the Cylon plan.
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(.......or M.I.L.T.F, if you prefer). There is no debate on this. That is all.
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"The Cylon occupation makes NO FREAKING SENSE". Sure it does. Caprica-6 and Boomer got the Cylons to agree that wiping out humanity wasn't such a great idea. However, like all plans, time has a way of changing things and I have a feeling other voices within the Cylon race ended up gaining support for controlling the humans rather then just leaving them to their own devices.
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squat. If that's the case, then TPTB need to tell us that. As far as I can tell, they have no clue, they just needed to drive the plot forward.
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...apologies for my lack of presence in the BSG TalkBacks. It's all Herc's fault! Actually, my Fridays have been occupied by "hot dates". However, I assure you, I will watch the Monday night replay and then comment as only MNG can (that one's for you, NoHubris).
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So i wouldn't count on her being boxed. My money is on that guy from quantum leap.
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I'm not entirely convinced. This "plan" we're reminded of in the text of every episode's opening seems to have radically changed course a few times. It seems a lot more like "no, really, we've got a plan... trust us. Really..." Anyone else feel this way?
(Yeah, every time it says "...and they have a plan" my wife and I try to come up with some new way to parody it. Black Adder: "A cunning plan." / Angel: "You, a plan?" "Yeah I had a good plan. A smart plan. Carefully laid out." "What went wrong?" "I got bored." / Monty Python (paraphrased): "The next thing I will tell you is my plan... hmm... ahem... My plan, by Anne Elk (Ms.)..." etc.) -
... is the Cylon God to show up. They keep talking about God, and how there's only one true God, and how God has a plan for them, and God loves them. Problem is, these are irrational thoughts coming from a supremely rational race. Religion -- faith -- is a strong belief in a thing that you cannot see or touch or prove; not saying it's good or bad, but it is inherently irrational. I think the Cylons believe in God because they've met him. The old series had an "Imperious Leader", a sort of Chief Cylon in Charge; I seriously have to wonder if God is the Imperious Leader. (And barring a robotic God, my second guess would be Baltar. Even considering their recent rough treatment of him, they seem to want or need him around. Perhaps they're trying to lead him to something, or to make him remember something he's forgotten. The human religion has prophecies, no reason why the Cylon religion wouldn't; perhaps Baltar is one of their prophecies?)
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I did not fucking vote for Bush. Ever. Mot Senior. Not Junior. Never Jeb. Now, I diddn't vote for Gore in 2000, either (Nader...oh Nader...rhymes with Vader) but never for one second believe that I have anything but distrust for Junior and his minions. Don't presume to tell me who I voted for.
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I was obviously making a voting machine joke. But it's early, so I'll let it slide this time.
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You were obviously referring to yourself when you wrote this: "...you have to shove your self righteous, narcissistic opinion down the throat of the world because you think you’re so much better than everyone else." Practice what you preach.
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Y'know...that thought did cross my mind on my way down the Beltway this morning. On my drive in I pass by the Capitol building, the monuments on the Mall and the Pentagon. Or multiple ground zeros as I like to refer to them. Maryland has switched to the Republican-manufactured Diebold voting machines...which I don't trust for a New York minute. The fuckers don't even issue a "voting receipt" so that I know or could prove later how the machine tallied my vote. If I can get a receipt from Safeway that's a mile long just for purchasing a pack of Juicy Fruit you'd think a damn voting booth...the footsoldier of democracy...could do the same. Sorry I lashed out, but my feelings for the Bush clan are that full of piss & vinegar. Really....would a voting receipt be that bad of an idea?
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You don't get one from any other kind of voting machine, either. And for a good reason. The entire reason we have what is known as the "Australian ballot" in the first place is so that no one else can know how you voted. If we gave out voting receipts, people would be all over each other to SEE the receipts. Picture your boss or your social worker - or even your parents or your spouse - demanding to see proof that you voted the "right" way. It's a bad idea. A lot of the recommendations for voting "reform" we're hearing nowadays seem to demonstrate a lack of awareness of the reasons behind the voting reforms of the past that gave us the current system.
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If one of the candidate's name was spelt wrong on the original ballot and someone tried to steal the election but frakked up because they used the correct name--hey waitaminute, that happened on BSG! How's that for full circle?
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I'm sure there'd be laws against a boss asking to see a receipt. And you can always just not take the receipt. But printing a receipt is pointless anyway. It's not guarantee of what is ultimately recorded. The only way to do electronic voting fairly is to use a receipt in combination with a website. The receipt should give you a uniquely generated number (that has no connection to you outside this one vote) along with how you voted. You can then go to a web site to download the votes for the entire country to both verify that your vote was recorded corrected AND the numbers add up to what they say. Anything else is a guarantee for massive fraud. This would be so simple to provide, that if it ain't being provided, you can trust that something fishy is going on. BTW, democrats have just as much a history of fradulent elections as do republicans. Republicans have just figured out a more high-tech way to do it.
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Somebody wrote in to TV Guide bitchin about how Dualla was ruining the series, now grendy wants her to be the Cylon who gets boxed.
I'm saying she's my favorite character but certainly find nothing offensive about her.
Frankly, her hubby Lee pisses me off way more than she ever did. I mean is the chronically depressed Captain bit getting old to anyone else.
I'd say get this dude laid, but he's already getting lauid by one of the hottest chicks in the fleet and it doesn't seem to helping, hell he seems more sad-bastard than ever.
Either kill the dude or give him a personality, maybe that he lost after the Pegasus 2 parter.
I just hope it is either of the Boomers that gets boxed. Their both too cool and I want a Boomer vs. Boomer showdown.
The D'anna Cylon's finally getting some depth so I don't want her going down.
And Dean Stockwell just too much fun to lose.
Leoben's too cool.
And they just can't do Six in.
I hope it's that guy who played the camera man in the mini. All he's done s stand around acting pompus and incharge even though he appently isn't. Way I figure, he aint got a character he's expendable, which probably means it won't be him. Or finally make him interesting then kill him. -
Receipts from voting machines wouldn't work unless you basically turned them in at the sametime you voted on the electronic machine, to ensure there is no fraud or alterations being done to them once they leave the building. While it might be redundant, it would definately help against electronic voting machine fraud. As it stands now, malicious software code can basically alter every form of backup on the machines and then erase itself after it has done the deed, essentially leaving no trace of it's work and no papertrail to prove or disprove the votes. Honestly the machines are far too exploitable in their present state and there needs to be safeguards in place to prevent "easy" vote stealing. As for the boxed cylon, my vote is on D'anna. I think they're building her up for a fall.
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Barcode that motherfucker. Make it illegible to the human eye. SOMETHING! I want to have proof that the lever I pulled was the one recorded....somehow.
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1. We need to either kill electronic voting, or get untamperable receipts for our votes.
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Piece of mind is about the extent of it (since not everyone would save it, you couldn't do a recount based on them). And you wouldn't even have that; if the vast paranoid conspiracy is smart enough to rig the machines, why wouldn't they be able to rig the receipts?
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Where's the cylon hookers? Thats what I want to know!
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Is she the newscaster, or a different one? If the former, how'd she get back to the cylons (I was guessing in that ep the report was transmitted, not brought physically)? If the latter, how did the colonists react to finding out she was a cylon? And finally, how come so many Cylons are members of the press?
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Welcome back! Here's to no more "no more Mr. Nice Gaius." Looking forward to your Season 3 posts.
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"if the vast paranoid conspiracy is smart enough to rig the machines, why wouldn't they be able to rig the receipts?"...the problem with voting machines is when you hit the "Vote Soandso" button, you have no actual idea how your vote was registered. If there was malicious code, your vote for one guy could just end up going to another guy and no one would be the wiser. The idea is that if the machine produced individual receipts for votes, then it would safeguard against invisible tampering. The voter could look at their receipt and see it says "I voted for soandso". Even if the vote on the machine actually registered the vote for the other guy, your receipt would at least prove the machine is up to no good and has been tampered with. Honestly electronic voting machines need to be barred from major elections until such time that a reliable means of creating a papertrail for them can be achieved. Btw, little food for thought, Diebold issued software updates for it's machines in the last election -without- informing anyone. It's via software updates that malicious code could be inserted, and thus one of the primary reasons the machines are not reliable or can be trusted. While any form of voting can be subject to fraud, electronic fraud is far too clean and neat and presents an attractive option to those who would subvert the process.
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Of course, I've only used the punch ballots in NC (up north I used the old fashioned turn the knob down machines). I think it's time to go back to black and white pebbles.
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for voting. After you voted, you'd get an error, and your vote was probably recorded, but the only way to know is to go back and check. Or try to double-vote, but then you'll earn the mockery of fellow voters.
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What if she's actually a baby Six? That'd be interesting. And by the way, politics or no politics, that interview could have used some serious editing. We don't really need to hear every side comment and tangent.
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Old people can't use computers or even ATMs. Of course they distrust a voting machine. It's a convenient thing to blame for an election loss too because of course in modern day America, it's EVERYONE ELSE'S FAULT!
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It's very possible that Adama could be a Cylon (although I hope not). In which case, Lee might not be his real son. Adama's wife might've been artificially inseminated somehow using some other poor sap's sperm.
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It's really pathetic to watch people whine about supposed voter fraud with these machines when there is absolutely no proof of such. Don't you think John Kerry and Ted Kennedy would have tried to prove voter fraud if there were proof that it happened? They must be in bed with Bush too right? The reality is the voters rejected Kerry, and the new reality is that voters may embrace the Democrats this time around, so should the Repubs get their lawyers working on voter fraud lawsuits because of these machines?
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If so, what makes Hera so special? They're so intent on finding Hera because the first human/cylon hybrid. But now they have Cassie, don't they? You'd think they would do a million tests on her and keep her in constant watch and examination, not leave her in the care of a knife-wielding cylon-hating human.
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Hairy, sit down.
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I NEVER said I wanted her boxed. I just think it would be very interesting if she was is a Cylon is all. Go back and watch some of those long takes on her just looking at someone, or thinking. It is well done cinematography even if she's not. As for "boxing" someone, you realize it's not just the ONE person who gets turned off, but ALL of that Model Number? So, if the D'Annas are to be boxed, they'll all be gone. I know Lawless is doing a 10-ep run this season, and that is half the eps, so we'll see if it's her or not.
As far as typos go, I swear to jeebus I spell-checked this bastard as well as for proper content, but since I am not a cylon, shit happens and I am not perfect. voting Machines: I would like something to know I said what I said when I vote, but frankly, under the old punch cards all I got was a torn stub to turn in to the people when I left the polling site, and that never said who I voted for in the first place either. I am not prone to conspiricy-mindedness, but I would like to track what I did accuratly.
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I never got any indication that boxing took care of all individuals of the same model. That makes no sense; why should all the 6's be punished because of Caprica? And what would they do, kill all the 6's in a 6 bloodbath and then box them all? Nah, I think they box just an individual personality. If that's the case, then Helo/Hera's Sharon is probably the most likely.
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Just because you keep repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Even the New York Times recounted the goddam ballots from Florida and Bush won. The Times aren't exactly friendly to Bush (as in they hate his guts) but at least they could be honest about it. So Billy, sit down and shut up.
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Florida wasnt the concern last election. It was Ohio and the complete BS that occured there. "For the first time in many decades, exit polls were wrong in districts using diebold machines. Hell, the exit poll system must be FLAWED!". That koolaid must sure taste good hairy ;(
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was responding. Although all of you should SHUT THE HELL UP because this has nothing to do with BSG. Of course, I'm talking to the same group of people that are still having issues with Greedo shooting first NINE YEARS LATER. As Soros would say, MOVE ON.
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Like WMD? Are you sure you're smart enough for BSG?
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Very relevant Billy, that's pretty cool how you dodge your first lie by telling another one. But I'll play, how many fucking reports and commissions need to happen before you'd accept that believing bad intelligence isn't the same as lying? I'm plenty smart enough for BSG because I'm actually informed about stuff and I'm not just repeating what Michael Moore packed into my ass, like yourself. I hope you're kidding here, because both of these things have been disproven repeatedely and you have to be an ignorant fool not to know it.
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http://tinyurl.com/yy2d87...NY Times does state the Bush won based on tally of votes that were counted. However, the same article states that Gore might have won if there was a recount of REJECTED BALLOTS, some 175,010. Other studies state that Gore would have won if the rejected ballots were counted... At this link http://tinyurl.com/y3k9he -
the NY Times states that "Black precincts had more than three times as many rejected ballots as white precincts." However, the Times states that African Americans were not alone concerning rejected ballots. Ballots cast by older voters were also "rejected in far greater numbers."...Just some additional food for thought, gentlemen.
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Here's one more http://tinyurl.com/yy2d87 -- In this one the Times says "...the analysis does not diminish the heartbreaking might-have-beens for Al Gore. It suggests that more Floridians intended to vote for Mr. Gore but were deterred, in some cases by ballots that were confounding even to elderly voters who are accustomed to having five bingo cards going at once...The reality, therefore, is that Mr. Bush's victory in the most fouled-up, disputed and wrenching presidential election in American history was so breathtakingly narrow that there is no way of knowing with absolute precision who got the most votes."
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Well done, and provided without vitriol. I bow to your eloquence.
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...it still can't top this flick I found on Google Video:
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...be careful about admitting you have actual Hot Dates on a Friday Night, sir. So do I (on occasion), but does not dating hot women on Friday evenings during the Hallowed First Airings of BSG episodes consitute automatic banishment and exile from the Circle of True Fan(atic)s and invite AICN to terminate you with extreme prejudice? I had a hot date the last 3 Fridays, too--but I recorded the Friday airings on my dvr, watched them at the first available opportunity on Saturdays, and peered down my nose at anyone dependent on Monday encore showings. Posers and Wannabes watch on Mondays. That is my story and I am stickin to it (at least until I miss one and depend on the Monday rerun). Seriously, though--I had noticed your absence from the TBs, and will look forward to Monday commentaries, sir. So say me all.
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Some good spoilers in there and it's always nice to hear from the actors. But you give a slightly off impression of what TWoP (televisionwithoutpity.com) is actually like. The recaps that go up for shows are fairly detailed (are you perhaps thinking of the "recaplets" or summaries available before a full recap goes live?). When I can't watch an episode of a show I read their recaps.
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They are the ones who told me an entire model line is 'boxed' and that this is more then likely why you don't see all 12 models at any given time. I do wonder if some model numbers were boxed due to disagreeing with the plan to Nuke all the colony planets, and what would happen if they just get un-boxed by Sharons (#8) or Sixes to help with the 'don't kill all the humans' plan. I realize that they're proably physically on caprica, or the Cylon homeworld, but they could probably download into new bodies, maybe even bodies not in their model number. then they would look like the ones we know already, but act like totally different people. just a theory.
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Has that been addressed? Did I pass out during that scene? I clearly remember Starbuck with child right before the Cylon invasion of New Caprica... and now it's four months later. Did she lose the baby? Did the writers forget? Did I miss a scene? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?
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http://tinyurl.com/u9p2u - "A comprehensive review of the uncounted Florida ballots from last year's presidential election reveals that George W. Bush would have won even if the United States Supreme Court had allowed the statewide manual recount of the votes that the Florida Supreme Court had ordered to go forward." - The point here gentlemen is that there is plenty to argue about, enough so that we don't need to continue repeating the bullshit that has gone before. Repeating the LIE that Bush stoled the election just serves to undermine any effective arguments you actually have. And consider this for a second, if Bush stoled the election, why didn't he do it by several 1000 votes? Why did it come down to one contested area of the country? If it were possible to steal the election then why not make sure no one would question the decision? Bush won, and everyone needs to get over it already, there are more important things to talk about, and plenty of things I'm certain we agree on.
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I don't think it was Starbuck that was pregnant, just Cally. Starbuck's man was sick, but he got better.
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...especially when she talked Adama into rejoining the fleet. Her forcefulness seemed out of character to me. But there have been a number of other moments too. She's the only regular I can even imagine being a Cylon. She's too hot to be human in any case. ....... As for the 2004 elections, the exit polls were off in some cases as far as they were in the Ukraine. The poll disparity in the Ukraine was enough for the entire west to call it a rigged election. Why the different standards here? Hell, in one district, Bush got more votes than there were registered voters (presumably a genuine fuck-up there). Granted I think Kerry was trying his best to throw the election and I hate him almost as much a Bush, but the 2004 elections were far more fishy than the 2000 elections. I don't think anyone really knows who one that. Doesn't matter though, we get screwed by both parties. And as I said before, receipts are pointless unless you can see your vote in context with everyone else's. If I can't download a spreadsheet with the entire nations' votes and see that mine was properly recorded, then it doesn't matter what they print on a piece of paper (or newspaper for that matter).
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Riiiiiiiiiight NOW! heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.....
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...(although different TinyUrl) which mentioned Gore might have won if the REJECTED BALLOTS were counted. The real lie here is that the rejected ballots - along with the manner they were rejected (such as wrongfully expunging citizens from the list of registered voters because their names or part of their names were similar to convicted felons) - did not matter. We ensure the strength of our democracy by maintaining the integrity of our voting process, which, BTW, was the whole point about the Roslin vs. Baltar election (to bring this back to Galactica). You are right in that there is plenty to agree on, like BSG -- or maybe a third party (hat tip to _Maltheus_ )
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Gentlemen. Well, it's been awhile. But I can now heartily say that I am very glad my favorite show has returned (RIP Deadwood). *** For starters, the season 3 premier may have been some of the strongest TV I've ever seen. Everything about that was nearly perfect in its execution. As someone who enjoyed last season's finale, I felt that the transition into this new "predicament" was quite smooth. Where we find the characters now feels believable and I'm already enjoying the new twists in the character arcs. And it's not often that I find myself getting genuinely pumped while watching TV. High spots: the allegory = I love it. It makes for one hell of a socio-political commentary. Watching Adama tear down Apollo (Get your fat ass out of here! DISMISSED!!!) and then watching them come together again when they realize what must be done. (It reminded me of that great sparring match scene between those two.) Saul Tigh is the living embodiment of the bitter, angry badass. What a great character! And I really like the attention that's being given to Chief Tyrol. Great stuff all around. *** I felt the intensity was turned down a notch for this past week's episode. But that's alright; it still rocked. My only complaints would be that I thought D'Anna's dream felt a little forced since it brought about an all too convenient meeting between her and Sharon. (But I guess they needed to plant the "Hera seed" somehow.) And I'm not really digging the brainwash/mindfrak they are trying to play with Starbuck...yet. But I'm glad to see Leoben's Cylon model get some screentime. (I always thought the torture episode with he and Starbuck was one of the show's best.) These are minor quibbles all of which are negated when I think of Adama's reaction to Helo telling him Sharon recovered the Launch Keys. Priceless! *** chromedome: what gives, my BSG brother? If I had a DVR I'd be all over these TBs first thing Saturday morning. Unfortunately (for my BSG viewing), it's looking like I will be increasingly "occupied" on Fridays. But I trust that this will not preclude my "automatic banishment and exile from the Circle of True Fan(atic)s" because that would mean no more Mr. Nice Gaius. Could you live with that? I thought not. So say we all!
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Sorry, I read your quote and then had to go sign up at the NYT to counter so I didn't read your entire article. LOL.....Who stopped the possible convicted felons from voting, and how can you say that doesn't uphold the integrity of the vote? That's exactly what is supposed to be happening, this particular trick has been used before after all. They also found a bunch of voters who had apparentely been dead for quite some time, absolutely this upholds the integrity of the vote. I have to confess I don't know the specifics of what you're talking about though....Let's not forget that Al Gore quit, he stopped the recounts. According to myth the Supreme Court gave Bush the election, also not true. What they did do was say that the ballots had to be recounted using only 1 criteria, not multiple criteria, and the only way Gore was going to win was to use multiple criteria to count the votes in his favor. The Supreme Court ruled that since Bush's votes were only counted in 1 way that Gore had to also pick 1 way and stick to it, it's called equal protection under the law. Gore knew he couldn't win and so he admitted defeat. So can we please stop talking about this nonsense? Bush didn't steal any elections, it's all bullshit. Saying this stuff equals instant lack of credibility to anyone who reads anything besides moveon.org. I admittedely lean right, however, I have plenty of criticisms of Bush and crew and welcome the conversation, but it's pointless if people are going to be bringing up the same old BS from years back.
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You are correct, sir. I just rewatched the season finale. My memory's getting fuzzy.
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...but I recommend that you check out the documentary UNPRECEDENTED. It should shed light on several of the questions and doubts you might have. The link for info on it is http://tinyurl.com/39hyq...IMHO discussing irregularities in the voting process does not show lack of credibility, dismissing those facts does that. BTW, for me this is not about the Democrats, Republicans or Republicrats, liberals, rightwingers or neocons, but it’s about safeguarding your vote and my vote. One last thing, this issue is not just about six years ago in 2000, the IFC documentary, SO GOES THE NATION, raises other troublesome election issues from 2004 in Ohio. That film is available at Comcast On Demand or in some theaters. BILLY, I think you, in particular, will find those two documentaries to be very illuminating (if you haven't already seen them).
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Agreed regarding Adama and the Launch Keys. That was tremendous and it was the PERFECT set up for the intensity of Exodus, Part 2....BTW should any of these BSG TBers try to banish you from the "Circle of True Fanatics," we’ll just have to slam them with your "Circle of True Fanatics" Founder and Chairman docs (at FTL speed, mind you) and remind them what’s what.
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Dunkin' Doughnuts is creeping up on your turf.
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But don't worry. I don't think chromedome was serious about trying to banish me from the "Circle of True Fanatics". He wouldn't dare...
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...just for clarity, I was not suggesting that you be banished, just questioning whether any of us who may choose a Friday date with a Hot Woman OVER a first airing of BSG could be banished by those who would never do such a thing. I intended only sarcasm, and in no way wish to offend you, sir. At least, not until the Boomer you promised me actually arrives!! When that happens, I expect to miss more than a few episodes entirely... Will look for you in the next TB on Monday!
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Uh, I mean...good interview Grendy!
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I read it too!
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