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Vern Reviews FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS!!

Merrick here...



The fabulous Vern sent in his thoughts on FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS. His reviewis rather long, so I’ll get out of the way and let him speak for himself.

Here’s Vern…


FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS

Well, shit. I feel like an asshole giving a room-temperature review to my man Clint Eastwood's long awaited WWII drama. Because Clint is the best. If there was some reason why the entire human race had to be destroyed except for one movie star, and I had to choose who it would be, I would choose Clint. I don't care if he's old, he's the number one Badass Laureate of all time. He'd make a damn good last representative of our species, and he could still take on the vampires pretty good I think. But despite (and partly because of) my great respect for the man, I gotta be honest: I don't consider this a great movie.

I like the idea behind the movie, which is not the usual "war is hell" but instead "war is complicated." Starting with the dialogue at the very beginning it tells you that nothing is black and white, people aren't just heroes or villains and that they have to make it seem that way to sell a war. Some of the movie is about the battle of Iwo Jima and some is about three of the guys who hoisted the flag in the famous photo going on a tour to be introduced as "the heroes of Iwo Jima" to promote war bonds. But these guys have a hard time with it not only because putting up the flag wasn't the heroic part of what they did, but because they actually put up the second flag. The first one was a spontaneous gesture, the second one was a replacement flag so the marines could keep the historic first flag. The second flag happened to be photographed really well though, so they got all the attention. Also their flag was bigger.

There are complications because some of the flag-hoisters have died, and there's confusion between the two flag-raisings, and some of the wrong parents have been notified that their dead sons are in the famous photo. To me the most effective scene in the movie is when Ryan Phillippe, who actually is in the photo, has to lie to a woman to convince her that her son Paul Walker, I think) is in there too. It's a hell of a situation they're in because they think it's all a bunch of horse shit but then they realize how much it means to these parents to know, or to think, that their son is in the photo. And they also want to sell war bonds because if somebody doesn't raise a whole hell of alot of money they won't have the equipment to win the war. (I don't think Eastwood intends the movie as commentary on the Iraq war, but you can't help but notice the contrast between this struggle to sell war bonds and the complete lack of direct sacrifice any of us make for the billions that are being poured into Iraq.)

It's a hell of a cast, lots of people I didn't expect to pop up. The main three are Philippe (CRUEL INTENTIONS), Jesse Bradford (the brother in BRING IT ON part 1) and Adam Beach (trying to get a do-over for WINDTALKERS). But also Robert Patrick is in there, the great Barry Pepper is playing a soldier again, that kid Jamie Bell who was good in UNDERTOW is in a crucial role, Melanie Lynskey (the other girl from HEAVENLY CREATURES) is there, John Slattery from that show K-STREET, Harve Presnell (remember the puff of feathers when he got shot in FARGO?). I was really hoping Paul Walker would blow the world away with a shockingly Oscar-worthy supporting role, but his part is small. David "Sledge Hammer" Rasche has a funny cameo (I'm still glad I didn't go see UNITED 93 because I'm positive I would've started laughing and got lynched). I didn't catch it but apparently Luther from THE WARRIORS plays Harry S. Truman. I also missed Paul Calderone ("My name is Paul, and this is between y'all" he said as the bartender in PULP FICTION) so somebody will have to tell me where he was. Another actor I like who's in here is Neal McDonough. He was the bad guy in the remake of WALKING TALL and in my review I described him as "a big blonde meatwad who looks like either Paul Walker's evil cousin or how Ian Ziering pictures himself in his fantasies." So it was cool that he got to do a movie with Paul Walker. Sadly Ian Ziering isn't in there (unless he was an extra).

But my problem with the movie is that like war, it's too damn complicated. It's one of those movies where you can sense pretty much from the beginning that you should've just read the book. You have the time leading up to and during the Battle of Iwo Jima, not told in chronological order. You have the war bonds tour, where the poor bastards keep getting put in awkward situations like having to put a flag on top of a paper mache mountain in the middle of a football stadium. Then you also have a whole storyline about the author of the book (the son of the guy played by Phillippe) going around interviewing veterans to find out what his dad did during the war, because his dad is dead. But later you have some scenes taking place right before his dad was dead. Because it's always skipping between these four different time periods it gets pretty confusing trying to figure out which old man is supposed to be which young character, what everybody's name is and what not. And it's hard enough to tell them apart anyway because of the style of the movie. The colors are faded so that it almost looks black and white (thanks alot, UNDERWORLD), and they go for that shaky-cam/quasi-documentary style for the battles, so to me it's just a bunch of grey people in helmets. I can never tell which character just died. They all look the same.

Confusing is a problem, but it's not a deal-breaker. The bigger problem with this complicatedness is that it makes it hard to really connect with these characters as much as you should in a movie about this. I mean I liked them all well enough but I didn't feel like I saw too deep into any of them. When it was over, despite a beautiful end credits sequence with Clint's light jazz over a montage of real photos from Iwo Jima, there WAS a dry eye in the house. And I had two of them. It's a shame that he could make a boxing movie that punches you in the gut emotionally but his Iwo Jima movie you gotta intellectualize to respect.

See, this is the opposite of what Clint is good at. His filmatic style is usually intimate, quiet, sparse, minimalistic. This one has the overambitious story, the epic CGI shots of oceans filled with battle ships, the chaotic battles. He did do his usual type of score (with his son Kyle playing) and that's a lifesaver, because that adds some underplayed emotion to the thing instead of one of those majestic "CAN YOU BELIEVE HOW HEROIC THIS SHIT IS?" scores you'd usually get (see WINDTALKERS). But I still feel like this is a movie for someone else to make. Because it's Clint it's smart enough to bring up themes like this conflict between the heroic images of war and the messy truth, but because of the script it's kind of clumsy about it. The thing was written by William Broyles (POLAR EXPRESS, PLANET OF THE APES re-amakening) and Paul Haggis (WALKER, TEXAS RANGER).

I know what you're thinking, because I thought it too: Paul Haggis is gonna Haggis all over this thing, he's gonna CRASH it up. Well, I kind of hate CRASH too but I stick by MILLION DOLLAR BABY. So I trust my man Clint to cut out all the big didactic speeches and shit. And he mostly does, but there are touches here and there that might cause you to stand up and yell
"HAGGIIIIIIIIIIIIIS!"

I haven't read the book, I am ignorant of the true facts, so there are things in here that are fine if they're real, and horrible if they're made up. Like there's a scene where the three heroes are served a dessert shaped like the soldiers raising the flag, covered in strawberry sauce. If that really happened that's so crazy that of course they had to put it in there. If it didn't happen, Paul Haggis is fucking nuts. There's also a really touching scene that fucks up bad when the writer guy says, "You're the best father a man could ever have!" If that was lifted directly from the book then I will forgive it, but even then they should've known how phony this "a man could ever have" business sounds, just like whatsisdick who raped you guys's childhoods should've known how funny it was for Darth Vader to cry "NOOOOOO!!!"

They also deal with the fact that Adam Beach's character is Native American, so he comes home to experience both an overblown hero's welcome and some horrible racism. It's an interesting irony complicated by the fact that this guy immediately becomes an alcoholic and spends most of his stateside time stumbling drunk, just like the racist characters would expect him to. I gotta assume they would never do this unless it comes from the real guy, but it still requires a light touch to work. The light touch of Clint combined with the jackhammer of Haggis equals medium touch, so it kind of works.

The last scene of the movie is sweet but almost laughable. He says he prefers to think of the soldiers the way his dad remembered them: in their underwear, wrestling and splashing each other. Hmmm. Well, you can see what they were going for.

This is not a terrible movie by any means, and some of you will think I'm smoking crack for not saying it's the greatest thing ever, but I think it oughta be better. Still, nice effort Clint. Looking forward to the Japanese one (although they shoulda kept the original title, RED SUN, BLACK SAND, instead of the generic LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA. Not sure if there will be a SNAKES ON A PLANE/PACIFIC AIR FLIGHT 151 style uproar over that one, but there oughta be.)

thanks,

Vern
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FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS opens October 20. Eastwood’s Japanese perspective counterpart film, LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA, opens in early February. Why The Powers That be decided LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA was a better title than RED SUN, BLACK SAND is beyond me. LETTERS sounds like a dull History Channel documentary...not the best way to get people stoked.

Thanks for the write-ups Vern. Always.


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I'm there...
by The Drude
Oct 11th, 2006
11:21:02 AM
That's kind of disappointing to hear...
by Childe Roland
Oct 11th, 2006
11:26:18 AM
Aw shucks
by George Newman
Oct 11th, 2006
11:26:40 AM
I am sick of Clint Eastwood and all his depression
by JohnGalt06
Oct 11th, 2006
11:31:25 AM
Letters from Iwo Jima...
by Cartagia
Oct 11th, 2006
11:33:38 AM
Nice scoop Vern...
by TELF
Oct 11th, 2006
11:41:04 AM
And Paul Haggis is an idiot Scientologist
by JohnGalt06
Oct 11th, 2006
11:41:06 AM
Nice Mention of Haggis' Credits, Herc
by AdrianVeidt
Oct 11th, 2006
11:52:08 AM
Vern
by AdrianVeidt
Oct 11th, 2006
11:52:58 AM
Good point on Rocky 18...
by Childe Roland
Oct 11th, 2006
12:00:59 PM
Please - please - stick to movie reviews
by JackRabbitSlim
Oct 11th, 2006
12:04:42 PM
I did give him credit for Million Dollar Baby
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
12:07:16 PM
Dirty Harry
by Liberty Valance
Oct 11th, 2006
12:09:43 PM
I read the script.
by Uncapie
Oct 11th, 2006
12:11:10 PM
I read the script.
by Uncapie
Oct 11th, 2006
12:11:16 PM
This site hates every Eastwood film..
by BigTuna
Oct 11th, 2006
12:15:32 PM
Yes, I am aware F.X. Toole wrote the story for MDB
by JohnGalt06
Oct 11th, 2006
12:22:12 PM
Jack Rabbit Slim / Big Tuna
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
12:27:06 PM
People, "Unforgiven" is not a western
by JohnGalt06
Oct 11th, 2006
12:38:51 PM
"...and Paul Haggis (Walker Texas Ranger)"
by Ribbons
Oct 11th, 2006
12:43:22 PM
Unforgiven is a western, so shut the fuck up.
by IAmJack'sUserID
Oct 11th, 2006
12:46:13 PM
'Letters From Iwo Jima?' The fuck?
by Ribbons
Oct 11th, 2006
12:46:56 PM
They've gone through three titles, maybe they'll change
by IAmJack'sUserID
Oct 11th, 2006
12:51:15 PM
I loved Mystic River and Clint will always be the Man
by Lovecraftfan
Oct 11th, 2006
12:58:51 PM
Thanks for the pretension,er...um, clarification...
by Childe Roland
Oct 11th, 2006
01:02:15 PM
Presnell and Pepper were both in Saving Private Ryan,
by IAmJack'sUserID
Oct 11th, 2006
01:07:54 PM
Didn't Charlton Heston Take on The Vampires?
by Sean38
Oct 11th, 2006
01:09:10 PM
Is it the actors Vern??
by IndustryKiller!
Oct 11th, 2006
01:23:59 PM
I love Space Cowboys.
by DerLanghaarige
Oct 11th, 2006
01:30:22 PM
I simply don't get...
by Gilkuliehe
Oct 11th, 2006
01:31:09 PM
And why does Vern is introduced by some editors...
by Gilkuliehe
Oct 11th, 2006
01:33:27 PM
(And English is not my first language)
by Gilkuliehe
Oct 11th, 2006
01:34:58 PM
potpourri
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
01:36:10 PM
I liked Red Sun, Black Sand as well
by godzillasushi
Oct 11th, 2006
01:41:53 PM
The Indian Ira Hayes
by Kentucky Colonel
Oct 11th, 2006
01:43:45 PM
Wow did I type that^^^^^
by godzillasushi
Oct 11th, 2006
01:45:42 PM
Industry Killer
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
01:47:01 PM
Neal McDonough...
by robosushi
Oct 11th, 2006
01:47:43 PM
Ira Hayes
by Kentucky Colonel
Oct 11th, 2006
01:48:27 PM
The Ballad of Ira Hayes....for your consideration
by Kentucky Colonel
Oct 11th, 2006
01:51:40 PM
So if you hate a pretty boy, no-talent actor like Paul
by IAmJack'sUserID
Oct 11th, 2006
01:55:40 PM
I have to second the Paul Walker emotion
by CTU Mole
Oct 11th, 2006
02:16:20 PM
Come on, ease up on the Paul Walker...
by brycemonkey
Oct 11th, 2006
02:31:28 PM
There's no hate
by CTU Mole
Oct 11th, 2006
02:45:56 PM
Jack's User ID
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
02:51:09 PM
Hey Vern.
by mrfan
Oct 11th, 2006
03:20:35 PM
If Eastwood wins a third Oscar for this...
by Chief Redcock
Oct 11th, 2006
03:35:49 PM
I get the feeling Clint doesn't give a fuck...
by dr_buggerlugs
Oct 11th, 2006
03:43:03 PM
Hey Chief Redcock!!
by mrfan
Oct 11th, 2006
03:46:11 PM
Not a fan of Clint in the Directors chair...
by DoctorWho?
Oct 11th, 2006
03:59:30 PM
Saving Private Ryan 2
by maverick1071
Oct 11th, 2006
04:17:04 PM
Damn you Michael Bay
by MCMLXXVI
Oct 11th, 2006
04:20:18 PM
Eastwood's directing
by FluffyUnbound
Oct 11th, 2006
04:29:19 PM
there WAS a dry eye in the house.And I had two of them'
by ScaryJim
Oct 11th, 2006
04:33:04 PM
Fluffy!
by DoctorWho?
Oct 11th, 2006
04:38:13 PM
i hope Black Sand opens the door for more Axis films
by Exeter
Oct 11th, 2006
04:44:54 PM
Big fan of clint as a director
by Larry of Arabia
Oct 11th, 2006
05:03:06 PM
Larry / Tom
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
06:04:16 PM
Man, Vern, now that you got the Special Black Text
by CreasyBear
Oct 11th, 2006
06:24:20 PM
Calling 'King Kong'...
by Ribbons
Oct 11th, 2006
06:24:59 PM
Stop the hatred or you will open the DOORWAY to TRUE EV
by Alonzo Mosely
Oct 11th, 2006
07:46:42 PM
clint and terry giliam
by harold_maude
Oct 11th, 2006
07:52:59 PM
Tom...
by RodneyOz
Oct 11th, 2006
07:53:32 PM
Tom
by ScaryJim
Oct 11th, 2006
08:13:55 PM
Regarding MDB...
by Ray Garraty #47
Oct 11th, 2006
08:18:47 PM
Tom
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
08:58:02 PM
vern
by TomRothman
Oct 11th, 2006
09:21:28 PM
Vern is love. Haggis is Canadian. Enough said.
by s00p3rm4n
Oct 11th, 2006
09:28:46 PM
Worst movie review ever
by Razorback
Oct 11th, 2006
09:49:07 PM
Vern, you would choose Clint over Bruce Willis?
by comedian_x
Oct 11th, 2006
10:55:36 PM
Razorback / Comedian
by Vern
Oct 11th, 2006
11:23:11 PM
Alright, I concede this contest of bad-assery.
by comedian_x
Oct 12th, 2006
12:27:31 AM
Clint gets way more than a scratch on him
by polyh3dron
Oct 12th, 2006
12:42:24 AM
evil asian dictator likes 'taxi driver'
by Exeter
Oct 12th, 2006
12:43:55 AM
Clint Eastwood Vs. Bruce Willis
by Uncapie
Oct 12th, 2006
01:53:59 AM
TomRothman
by Bilblow
Oct 12th, 2006
06:15:32 AM
VERN / Seagal
by bluelou_boyle
Oct 12th, 2006
06:54:36 AM
You've tried to help Bodet before, Vern.
by Daddylonghead
Oct 12th, 2006
07:13:20 AM
Um, wow.
by Childe Roland
Oct 12th, 2006
07:54:57 AM
Ahh, But Bruce got heart surgery in Sin City!
by brycemonkey
Oct 12th, 2006
08:01:40 AM
Vern, Tom Bodet was previously called Goatzinger
by Zino
Oct 12th, 2006
10:23:44 AM
Ah yes, Goatzinger.
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
11:19:59 AM
Yeah, that was it, thank you Zino/Gaius
by Daddylonghead
Oct 12th, 2006
12:03:33 PM
See, I've never been banned...
by brycemonkey
Oct 12th, 2006
12:23:31 PM
That's right
by Vern
Oct 12th, 2006
01:03:19 PM
brycemonkey
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
01:03:49 PM
Seagal was also in a coma in Hard to Kill.
by FatPaul
Oct 12th, 2006
01:14:02 PM
Vern...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
01:16:17 PM
True that Mr Nice Gaius
by brycemonkey
Oct 12th, 2006
01:30:38 PM
Odd that this should come up. Hey, Vern.
by Ringwearer9
Oct 12th, 2006
02:45:06 PM
Well, brycemonkey...
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
03:17:14 PM
And you know who is behind it all, anchorite?
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
03:30:06 PM
Oh, and Goaty ...
by Ringwearer9
Oct 12th, 2006
04:12:09 PM
Josie Wales had the most awesome casting ever!
by eraser_x
Oct 12th, 2006
04:31:52 PM
McDonough & Walker were already in a movie together
by Moa Kaka
Oct 12th, 2006
05:16:37 PM
Sorry Ringwearer, not buyin it
by Vern
Oct 12th, 2006
05:40:17 PM
"FILMATIC"...
by Trimtab
Oct 12th, 2006
05:50:44 PM
Who was the guy...
by Alonzo Mosely
Oct 12th, 2006
06:27:28 PM
Alonzo Mosely
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Oct 12th, 2006
06:39:58 PM
Thank you Mr. Nice Gaius...
by Alonzo Mosely
Oct 12th, 2006
07:00:49 PM
And speaking of THAT particular devil...
by DocPazuzu
Oct 13th, 2006
02:48:28 AM
Hey Doc:
by brycemonkey
Oct 13th, 2006
08:10:33 AM

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