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The First 300 Trailer Is Online Now... And It Will Make Grown Men Weep!!
Hey, everyone. “Moriarty” here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
Holy shit. It was one thing to sit in an editing room with Zack Snyder and look at rough footage for this film as well as FX tests of what he hoped to accomplish.
It’s another thing altogether to actually see those things accomplished and then some. Snyder looks to have hit it out of the ballpark with his second film, and I am personally frothing with an intense need to see this. Now. Today.
Can’t. Wait.
And for those who want to say, “But what about that trailer that was all over the place recently? Isn’t that the first trailer?” Nope. That was the Comic-Con presentation, and it was never meant to serve as a trailer for the film. This is what you’ll see in theaters, presumably attached to THE DEPARTED this weekend.
Sweeeeeeeeeet.
Thanks to all 40 or so of you who sent this one in!!
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Can't wait for this movie
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Sorry for that! But you can watch my movie for free!!
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Looks epic woot woot!
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If you like cartoonish gay porn.
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but more deformed people like Sloth from Goonies. Cant wait for this it looks cool and I am glad it is rated R so it should be hardcore
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Very cool, very reminiscent of the comic. It looks like Miller's palette come to life. I especially like the shot at the end of Leonidas standing in front of "The Hot Gates" with the sunlight shining through them. Sweet!
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I thought this was set in the real ancient Greece and not Middle Earth.
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Some critic will say that about 300.
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There was more lesbian making out in this trailer than in any film released this year. If there's this much girls locking lips with girls in gay porn I need to go rent some of that stuff ASAP.
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So many beautiful shots but that's got to be my fav.
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Its got fighting! Its got shouting! Its got ultra slowmo! Its got an ace soundtrack! Every shot just oozes style and energy. The grade on the film looks freaking awesome. Clearly I couldn't change my pants quick enough...
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I've watched the other trailer you *ahem* put up a few weeks back at least a dozen times, and still, CHILLS.Can't wait to see this!
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I skipped reading the card and opened the present.I've watched this three times now. Hands down, this is the best trailer for an '07 flick I've seen so far.btw, Isn't the next trailer for Spidey supposed to hit pretty soon?
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Sometimes, yes.
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Impressive...
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Trailer looks okay, maybe the film will be great, but right now, I think I will take a look when it's on DVD.
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Bad.Ass. This movie looks like the SHIT
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I hope they do a cut of the film with this type of music, for a special edition dvd or something. (I'm not joking.)
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Welcome to the world of film. Christ.
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Awesome another reason to see that great looking movie.
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Now that's a trailer! It's gonna make the battle scenes in LOTR look like creamed crap! And best use of a Nine Inch Nails track ever! (Just Like You Imagined from The Fragile) Can. Not. Wait.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Damn you Michael Bay
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When do we get to see what the MOVIE looks like? Oh, that IS the movie ... um, I mean THIS!!! IS!!! THE!!! MOOOOOOVIEEEEEEEE!!! (See, I'm shouting so you know I'm serious. And you can't tell, but there's some heavy metal guitar chords being played right now ... and I'm in slow motion. Oh, and rhinos. It's pretty awesome, actually. REALLY! SUPER!! AWESOOOOOOOOOOOOME!!!)
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to the next gen of film making. Spielberg, Scott: move over!
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Looks great. After this, can we pretty please have "Gates of Fire"? If I go see this 3 times in the theater will you please make "Gates of Fire"?
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The only complaint I have is with the wolf, very poor cgi, but I love that they gave it a fantasy look, like the comics.
And those who complain about historical accuracy; if you are so fond of greek fucking history, go watch Alexander. See what accuracy did to the battle of Gaugamela. I saw it five times on dvd and yeah it was pretty much as i read about it, but for those who don´t have a clue, they saw only dust and more dust. -
May not be historically accurate, but who cares!!! I remember reading that "Gladiator" was supposed to have a rhino scene in the Coluseum, so this will be cool to see Rhinos stomping some ancient ass
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It makes sense to show lesbians. We get the term from the Greek, "Sappho" of Lesbos. Yes, there was an island full of lesbian women. Just like in Octopussy.
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I have read this awesome book and agree that it is better storyline wise and charachter wise is deeper than 300 but in a totally different vein sort of like gladiator but on a more massive scale with lotr type battles but hand-to-hand brutality not charging on horseback.two totally different movies but i would rather have seen gates of fire made.
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The Gaugamela scene was the best ancient battle scene to date put on film. In fact, it was one of the few saving graces of the film (the soundtrack and Dawson's nudie scene being the others).
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Come on Mori, that was hardly weep worthy, that is, unless hammy acting shot entirely in front of green screens makes you cry...
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Where's God of War: The Movie? If this bombs, then GOW might not find an audience... dammit
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You suck, and you hate anything anyone else likes, unless its some indie girl whose pants you want into, then its alllllll great. So you suck. Bye. This is good.
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I'm normally pretty bloody skeptical when anyone from this site uses such excessive superlatives as "make a grown man weep". In this case, however, I'm really genuinely bloody excited about this one...
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Direct Download please. :(
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The Gaugemela scene was best battle put on film? Yeah sure. The Gladiator opening, although not as epic as the battles in ROTK i still the best battle on film. Also the battle in India was the best in Alexander, until everything turned red, but you also liked the red colour, right?
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To be Greek:) If only we could get some of that courage back from our ancestors!
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But from what I've seen of the Vallejo paintings, the flick should look like this, only with more monsters and naked chicks.But no Noah Wyle.
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Nancy Pelosi would say that only if "understood the Persians" they would leave us alone...the parallels to today are ironic to say the least when viewed within the context of the clash of civilizations. . . I just hope the movie ends with Marathon/Salamis in all its glory
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...You got to....Kiss a Persian good mawnin......
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This has been my most anticipated film since they started really seriously talking about doing it five years ago. There will be blood and swords and ancient Spartans and arrows that blot out the sun and ohmyeverlovinggod even a fucking rhino rampaging. I will be doing everything in my very meager power to get into the earliest screening possible. For those of you that haven't read the graphic novel...read it. Please. And for those of you wishing for GATES OF FIRE...I think you'll like this on a much different level. Ever since I studied it in college, the Battle of Thermopylae has been my favorite historical event. I'm more than OK with a film that chooses to bastardize is in the way it appears it's been bastardized. And I haven't been this excited for a trailer since GLADIATOR.
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All the yelling and all the abs. But I'll be a fucked chimp if those visuals ain't eva' so purdy.
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The reason I go to movies.
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The Gaugemela scene in Alexander was the most insightful battle scene ever put on film.
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The spears wiggle in every shot.
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Is that an American date at the end or an English time? September 3rd or March 9th? I think anyone that embrace the visuals to that degree will be ideal for Watchmen. Gerrad Butler-Young Comedian? Paddy Considine-Rorscach.
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DAMN THAT'S WHAT A TRAILER IS SUPPOSE TO DO, MAKE YOU WANT TO REALLY SEE THE MOVIE. SPIDEY 3 AND 300 IN 07'
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Looks ridiculously over stylised, the dialogue was piss poor, the visuals reminded me of a glossy music video/expensive video game cut-scene. An epic for the GTA generation.
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The battle of Thermopylae was real. It's a real story. In 480 BC an alliance of Greek city-states fought the invading Persian army in the mountain pass, Thermopylae. Vastly outnumbered, the Greeks held back the enemy in one of the most famous last stands of history. A small force led by king Leonidas of Sparta blocked the only road through which the massive army of Xerxes could pass. After several days of confrontation the Persians attacked, but were defeated by heavy losses, disproportionate to those of the Greeks. This continued on the second day but on the third day of the battle a local resident betrayed the Greeks, revealing a mountain path that led behind the Greek lines. With the rest of the army dismissed, King Leonidas stayed behind with his bodyguard of 300 Spartans and the 700 man Thespian army even though they knew it meant their deaths, to allow the rest of the army to escape. I'm sure the movie will show all this, but why in the comic book style? So many people will see it and think "ah, it's all made up, no way could just 1,000 men (not just 300...there were 300 Spartans, but they also had help) do that against so many." Just tell the story in a straight way, why does everything have to be stylized now? Oh, right, the 3 minute short attention span A.D.D. kids of today won't go see it. It's got to have the hip-hop/metal soundtrack too.
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'Nuff Said, eh?
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Oct 05, 2006 7:46:51 AM CDT
Cool trailer. Great visuals. What's with all the screaming?
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Every line in the trailer was wildly over-acted. I hope the movie won't be like that. It also has that SKY CAPTAIN 'fake' look to it; it's an odd look for a historical/mythological epic. Still, like I said the visuals seem stunning, but I hope the script is just as great.
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Frank Miller has never said his work of art is historically accurate. It is his intepretation of the event. The 300 are strength, will and character personified. It is a work of fiction based on a real event. Consider me excited.
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The Battle Of Stirling from Braveheart, while historically inacurate, is still the best swords'n'spears battle put to film. Brutal, bloody and exciting.
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Okay, it looks beautiful. I'm still very excited about it. Maybe it's the way the trailer was cut, but all the lines sound so over the top they're almost silly. And that release date doesn't inspire confidence either.
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And this guy is gonna be directing The Watchmen! Piss poor dialogue, looks like the graphics to an RPG game, and incredibly gay to boot! Rave away geeks.....
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I said it once and I have said it again. It is going to be amazing! Can't wait to see how Watchmen is handled.
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Well, the visuals and cinematography look excellent...no way to tell about the storytelling yet, but it does look good. It gives me further hope for that Watchmen will have some redeeming qualities.
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To all the rest who over-analyze, hyper-criticize and make even the Architect's Speech from Matrix Reloaded sound coherent and interesting, i say this: GIVE IT A BRAKE for goodness (or evil's) sake! Why can't you just wait until you see the movie, immerse yourselves to it, filter it according to your epxeriences,beliefs, and then state what you think based on the actual film? I am a movie-fan for over 25 years and though i grew up with Sci-fi and fantasy i am willing to give each and every movie from every gender a fair chance to astound me, or make me think about certain aspects of our lives, or just plain entertain me. Heck, i can give credits to the director even if his movie sucks, just for the effort. It's called good-will. The world has enough mean-hearted critics our there..I am tired of reading on every movie-fan site the responses just from a 1 min teaser..I am a Greek and the 1st time i saw the earlier teaser, it brought tears to my eyes. I felt pride for my ancestors, yes, but if the movie proves to be a flop, i won't hesitate to say it.
Let's just wait, what say you?
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I just had to send that link to everyone I know. Amazing.
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No, there wasn't. Do your research. Sappho was merely a female poet from the island of Lesbos and she happened to often write about girls she was fond of. That's where the word "lesbian" comes from. There never was an island full of muff-diving women, at least not in actual history.
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but historically speaking the spartans were actually very gay indeed. So count each and every chick as a concession to your insecurities. Trailer looks great.
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but hopefully it will still be good. I agree it looks over stylised, but from what people have said about the graphic novel it has a good story. I'm sick of style over substance like Silent Hill, hopefully this will surprise me
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So which one is he then?
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I used that track to cut my first short film trailer back in 2004. A little slow on the uptake are we?
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Is gonna own your pansy asses when its released.I saw the extended preview at comic-con and it was one of the best previews ever!..it was on par with Grindhouse and Spidey 3.Its that Fu*ken great!
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he looks like the hawk-guy / bluto from flash gordon..
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If the story for 300 is fantastic then great, but visuals aren't going to save a turd of a screenplay no matter how cool a movie looks. Like somebody said, that March doesn't exactly inspire confidence. September, February and March are when studios dump most of their garbage stuff. If the studio felt ultra confident about 300, it would have a holidays or Summer release date.
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All the Maxim readers swiftly approaching middle age who prefer their movies to be unencumbered by intelligent thought will no doubt hold this dear to their pathetically shallow hearts. Stop beating off to this trailer for a moment and look in the mirror to see just how big of a loser you are.
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This isn't like Sin City where the contrast and black and white stuff enhanced the story and honored it's past. This appeared to be "Sky Captain" all over again. The whole thing shot in front of a bluescreen, very little 'real' about it. It's cool to watch in the same way the cutscenes from God of War are. Neat for a while, but after about a minute the style becomes grating, and distracting. I thought yesterday's Ghost Rider trailer was far better.
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This is going to be a huge flop. Comic book fans will go see it but no one else will.
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March is gonna be busy.
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You know, that one we all live in? Instead of filming in a small room against a green screen?
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Can't wait to see this flick.
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Then how do you explain the Star Wars prequels?
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What? Ghost Rider trailer? A new one? Yesterday? Where?
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With how both this and Sin City turned out. I only have more confidence in Snyder doing Watchmen now.
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The trailer says it comes out March 9th, and inches below on the site, it says it comes out March 16th.
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In front of a green screen.
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We have like 3 movies a year that are CGI stylized films and people bitch. You might wanna walk through a Blockbuster and see the 50000 other movies that are set in the real world!
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All right, already, you've read one book not part of a fantasy series and it was "Gates of Fire," we're so fuckin impressed, shaddap about it already--this is something else. And yes, shockingly, it is CGI heavy or whatever and is in the Hollywood gay male ideal mode of cut men with bare chests, we get it, we get it! Reading post after post of "I'm not seeing this" only convinces us you're a closet case who will buy the DVD to wank in secret. You don't want to see it, don't like the trailer? Who fuckin cares! Post an intelligent disagreement or just shut up. Jesus!
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that looks f*ckin' sweeeet!!!! oh, hell yes!!!
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fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap fwap... fwap...Fwap...FWAP. mmm, sleepy now.
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300!
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http://images.apple.com/movies/wb/300/300-tlr1-h.ref.mov
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what a piece of overdirected, screamy comic-book shit. I'll rent it, obviously.
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Re: The Star Wars prequels. I got goosebumps watching that trailer as well. On a completely unrelated note, are you gonna let us know how you put the breaks in your posts or are you the type of person who will not reveal said 'secret' because you want be the only person on the board who is able to post in such a fancy manner?
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Weren't the sandals-and-swords movies of the 60s universally considered homoerotic or at least a bit campy? These latest movies (Gladiator) look like the same thing with the slick production values and neofascist values, plus a tendency to take themselves way too seriously.
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And you'll all see it so stop lying to us and yourselves. Assbags.
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...so I'll reserve judgement. The acting looks rather overheated...My hunch is this won't make much money, as the primary audience for this seems to be young men, who these days seem to be either sitting behind a joystick or playing with their own while surfing the net for porn.
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If they buy a tv spot on the Superbowl, and they probably will if they're smart, it'll do as good as "Gladiator."
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But this film looks amazing. Nice to see these images in HD.
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I was smiling like a kid by the end. a trailer hasn't made me that excited to see a flick since the first phantom menace trailer. Sin City was wicked and hopefully this will be too.
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I don't know. I didn't like the Dawn of the Dead remake, but I will admit the opening of the film was pretty good. The director was just complete butterfingers when he had to deal with simple things like character motivation. I'm cautiously optimistic about this. The biggest hurdle is that without some dark humour Frank Miller's exaggerated machismo can end up making an audience laugh at the work rather than laugh with it. If I remember, 300 isn't filled with chuckles.
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Last trailer didn't do a whole lot for me, but this one was spiffy! Yay Zack Snyder!
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because I feel nothing off this trailer. Not real good, not real bad. Maybe its because I don't enjoy the green screen films ala Sin City. I'm obviously in the minority though...
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you possibly have to see this on the big screen. This like Sin city will be given a very limited release. Two weeks in the ifi. well see......
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The quicktime link, she no go. Anyone have a windows or flash link? Perhaps one of you kind people could post this to youtube or google video? Please. I thought the comic-con video was cool. I really would like to see this. Today. Thanks.
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That is one friggin COOL trailer! I'll be seeing this one in the theaters for sure.
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That just made my day & rocked my world. To the haters: What more could you want? If you didn't like that then you'll never like anything & I feel sorry for you.
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i dunno, that music didn't sit well with me
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it looks badass
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I don't want to watch 2 hours of men in underwear fighting. Not that there's anything wrong with that!
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http://www.jurassicpunk.com/movies/300.shtml
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Simply put. A Visceral juggarnaut. Awesome. Of course, now my girl has the hots for Gerald Butler again. Great. Just great.
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Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate some cool looking CGI battles, but honestly, can someone provide me with a justification for all of the praise that this trailer is getting?
It looked absolutely horrendous.
Terrible overacting, visuals that almost made me literally laugh out loud (sorry, but they were over-the-top and obviously compensating for what may eventually be a lack of engaging characters), and an overall "extended music video" feel. I have watched it a few times now and I cannot begin to understand what one could see in that.
If this is the guy who will be handling "Watchmen", I am severely worried. He seems to be making films that are all style and no substance, and let's face it, "Watchmen" is all substance. Granted, I could be wrong about "300", seeing as no one has seen the actual film, but if that trailer is any representation of the movie's true nature, it will be an embarassment to the art of film. -
Dis here gon' be da shit! Can hardly wait until March.
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You are having a laugh... If ther's one thing that can make or break a good trailer it's the music used to help set the tone and this was perfect; and I love it when Nine Inch Nails tunes are used anywhere! Also I reckon Trent Reznor would pull your head off if you asked him if he was inspired by The Matrix...
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The trailer, I mean. I can't get any of the trailers off that Apple site. All I get are white boxes with tiny little Quicktime logos. I hope I don't have to spend $30 to get Quicktime 7 in order to see these trailers. What am I doing wrong? Am I missing something? Proabably--I've always been a bit of a retard with computers.
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gotta go change my pants . . .
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Interesting to see all the homophobes falling out of the rafters on this one.
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The poor guy's kinda been touted for a while now...Timeline (where he was probably the only plus point in a rather poor film) tanked as did Phantom...I wouldn't say it's his last throw of the dice but if he doesn't get some attention with what looks like a piece of killer entertainment, will he ever?
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just more tightly edited.
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Whole lot of screaming SPARTAAAAAAAAA!, though, and the music couldn't possibly be a worse fit for the subject matter - it cries out for an orchestral score. But god DAMN if it doesn't bring the nice visuals.
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I can't stop saying enough good stufff about this movie! PWNAGE!
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He took extreme care - too much care - to make sure that he patiently explained each element of Alexander's strategy in the battle. It made it very History-Channel-y, and sucked the energy out of it - particularly if you already knew the story of how Alexander won the battle. Your average battle replay from Rome: Total War is more engaging.
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I don't care what you say. The only reason anyone would choose to show hatred towards this trailer is because they choose to go against the grain. Every shot in the trailer is a work of art. A painting come to life. It's a masterpiece. I think how far we've come from silent films.
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the comps don't look too good and they really blasted the cg backgrounds with tons of film grain. Looks like they throw in lens flare wherever they get the opportunity. I'm not too impressed.
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..but that ain't everything. Here's hoping.
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So eat it, haters. I just watched it again and it is awe-inspiring.
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This looks like it will be to gladiator what Dungeons and Dragons was LOTR. There seem to be some good ideas here, but eveything looks fake. Too much green screen. If this really is the next generation of filmakers, I think I've overstayed my welcome. :-(
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That would have made it good. Also, what's with all the wheat fields? Ever since Gladiator, filmmakers have been obsessed with them. Oh fuck it I love wheat fields too. They're awesome. So are Wheaties.
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I am offically jazzed for this one!
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Best trailer yet, ASS kicking, great visuals. Why does everything have to be real and historically accurate for a film to be considered good and respectable? Aren't story-tellers allowed a little imagination? I mean this isn't an adaptation of the actual battle, this is an adaptation of Frank Miller's graphic novel. Some of you whiney assholes don't have an imagination.
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The swordplay in Troy also ranks pretty high on the list, especially when Achilles and his men assault the beach and the temple of Apollo.
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...but only if they yell SPARTA!!!
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will be in line opening night. that is all.
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It looks like it was filmed in someone's garage.
Stylistically, it resembles a Duran Duran video from the 80s. The acting is hammy. The extras were apparently borrowed from a gay fetish club. The music won't appeal to anyone over the age of 17. This does not look good at all. -
Gladiator had a lot going for it. Known director, first weekend of May, first big budget sword and shield movie in a long ass time, it was good though overrated. 300 comes out in March, and who the hell is this director? And there's been a bunch of these types of movies since Gladiator, many disappointing. Even if it looks different, people will feel burned by Alexander, Troy, the wrong version of Kingdom of Heaven, King Arthur, etc.
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How do I insert breaks into a post? ANyone?
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The material for 300 calls for a sweeping orchestral score. I like Nine Inch Nails and Reznor, but marrying that music to a story about ancient Sparta is a bit odd.
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Apart from the fact that every line in the trailer is delivered like 'Let's get rrrready to RRRRRUMBLE!!!'; don't you 'straight' boys get that ever since fucking Kirk Douglas in Spartacus, ever since Steve Reeves, ever since the 80's gun-totin' bicep-ridden faggotry of Schwartzenegger et al, that when heterosexual men want to fuck other heterosexual men, they fight. This whole movie looks oiled and it's simply dripping with spunk.
That lemon 'Alexander' was actually one of the LEAST gay of these epics because it didn't really have the 'UGH, my blood-brother, let us clasp sinewy arms in muscular kinship before we, UGH, ride each other, I mean; our mighty straining steeds into battle together to die in honor in a huge ejaculation of squirting blood and gore!!'
Wake up; this shit is HOMOSEXUAL. Even queerer than Troy (Holy shit was Brad Pitt's womanizing unconvincing in that!) Which is a good thing; excapet that you silly boys seeem unable to grasp it. you get literally orgasmic about this shit and you don't even seem to know why!
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Shouting is not badass, just makes it look shit. And the music was awful, whatever it was. And that giant CGI hole was shit too. The visuals look nice, if they don't look like a videogame on the big screen.
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Really. Can't wait.
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I thought spartans fought naked... Oh well maybe next time.
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It's just so distracting. He's been doing that shit for a while now.
Before the news, it's always something about how he was involved or whatever before we get the story.
And now here he's like he was watching this being edited.
Give us a fucking break!
It's not like we don't believe him or anything, but it makes it seem like he's trying to accomodate a personal deficiency or belittle us with "I was there you weren't" type of shit.
Just give us the news and praise minus the bragging about your personal involvment.
Please. Thanks.
No troll. No flame. And No offense, intended.
Again, no offense. I know Mori can be quick to snap with "it's my site and I'll do what I want" type of deal.
But I'm only being honest. It becomes difficult to read his material sometimes, man.
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Visually beautiful, but does nothing for me.Gladiator with more slo-mo and green screens. Weee.
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Then the Spartans could. They killed babies for not being strong; even sex was harnessed as a weapon; the weak were crushed and the individual was subsumed into the collective. there was no individual will per se. Mercy was unthinkable.
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That looks friggin' AMAZING! I can't wait!
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I don't know why all the links on the new tb format do that. Anyone?
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Let's hope the movie has as cool a soundtrack as the trailer. The shit looks crazy awesome... cannot wait to peep this one, and hats off to the music once again...
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I suspect the rhino was included to make the big battle less like LotR (with its oliphants). I don't recall any rhinos in the book. The "orcs" are just one guy, a deformed Spartan who plays an important role in the story. So there.
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The song is "Just Like You Imagined" by Nine Inch Nails. I'll admit to being a NIN fan (Trent Reznor's from my hometown of Cleveland...represent!). Anyways, it's off of his double album called "The Fragile," and while everyone seemed to hate it, I thought it was one of his best albums.
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Is there a scene where the Spartans grease each other's sinewy exposed chests up before going into battle? You know, since it's perfectly logical to stride onto a battlefield wearing nothing but a codpiece and cape. The fancyboys are going to love this fagfest. Are we sure Bryan Singer didn't direct this thing?
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Lots of yelling, I hope there is dialogue in the film and not just Gerard Butler yelling a few lines about Sparta and dining in Hell... however, the trailer looks amazing and i am officially jazzed for this movie. I liked the Dawn of the Dead remake, though it wasn't brilliant, so hopefully Snyder will hit this one out of the park and put to rest all of the fears about him helming Watchmen.
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Off topic a bit - the Ghostrider trailer that came out yesterday....
sucks. MSJ is a hack and I can't believe they gave him another comic adaptation after the shite that was Daredevil.... at least HE's not doing Watchmen....
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I was excited after seeing the video diaries but if the movie is going to be an overwrought music video like the trailer, pass! I guess I'm just one of those people who's still shallow enough to want to see acting in a movie. And for those people calling this gay - err, if it was 'gay' there would be an emphasis on the emotionality of the people, and not just testosteronal shouting. Looks pretty straight guy to me. I think I'll wait the two months for Spidey to get my comic fix!
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"Greece is THE word" for the win.
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If you don't like this trailer then I don't know what you're doing here.
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It's more than just a simple war movie with the million man CG army. 300 is meant to have a dream like quality to it. Don't go saying, oh the Special effects look fake. They're not going for realism. They're going for a certain look. A stylish look. artful look. something new. something different and God damn it! I appreciate that!
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Who cares if it's gay or straight? (in Greece the delineation wasn't so strict). If you're comfortable with your heterosexuality you should be able to see a guy with his shirt off and not all of a sudden think homosexual thoughts. If you do, then you're probably at least part gay, and there's nothing wrong with that. Hell, the film may even have a homosexual subtext, and if it's handled right then who cares? Gay or straight a good movie is a good movie (not that I think this will be a good movie).
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You like Star Wars (C3PO and R2D2), LOTR (Hobbit Love), Superheroes (underwear on the outside) and John Travolta. Face it, gayness is everywhere on this site, and you love it, especially you closeted gay republicans!
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that Sci-Fi and fantasy have been on the forefront of the homosexual fronteer. C3PO and R2D2 are the only gay robot couple in films, and no one has had the balls to put another gay robot couple in another movie. LOTR had, to my knowledge, the first little person gay lovefest, but it's a real shame they chose not to use real little people. Gay little people and robots have a long way to go before they get the screen time they deserve.
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Seriously. It's marketed to pre-pubescent boys.
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...the film will feel too much like it was shot before a green screen on a stage. That's their challenge I suppose. I wish them luck, because I like the way it's shaping up.
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The first reason why people hated Alexander, was because he was uber gay, cried all the time, liked ass, and was a worse pain in the ass (shit I used that word again) than Anakin in episode 2. I called someone gay, cause he said he liked "Dawson's nudie scenes" when he actually meant he liked Alex´ ass.
And to you who say spartans were gay; no they were not officially homosexual. Sure there might have been one or two closet gays like everywere else, but their men were heterosexual, as in they made love to women, they even married at an early age. They were the true heroes of antiquity, unlike greeks with their Akilles and Alexanders. Am i bashing gays? No I just admire real men, i want have real heroes I can identify with. If you who saw the comic con footage or the leaked promo trailer wondered why a mighty warrior like Leonidas, looked at his wife Gorgo for advice before he kicked down that messanger; it is because the women in Sparta had more power than anywere else in the ancient world. Did that make the men weak? Of course not, it made them strong enough to recognize women as equal, and treat them with respect. That´s what i like about the spartans. They were more democratic than the greeks. They had some cruel and very unlikable habits too, but that´s another story. To all those who bitch about historical accuracy, see this:
http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Women.html
Seems to me that Frank Miller made his homework before he wrote 300. The over the top fantastical elements, like rhinos charging into battle, will just make it so much cooler than most "historical epics", and will do for the history of the ancient world more than Gladiator, Alexander and Troy did together. -
Apologize for the address above. The page won´t opnen now, so here it is:
The freedom and greater respect for Spartan women began at birth with laws that required female infants and children to be given the same care and food as their brothers—in contrast to other Greek cities, where girls were frequently given less and lower-quality food. Like their brothers, Spartan girls were expected or required to attend the public school, although for a shorter period of time than the boys. At school they were allowed and encouraged to engage in sports. (And it was, incidentally, a Spartan who became the first woman to ever have an Olympic victory—by entering a chariot at the races.)
When girls reached sexual maturity they were not rushed—as were their sisters throughout the rest of the contemporary world—into marriage and childbed. On the contrary, the Spartan laws explicitly advocated marrying girls only after they had reached an age to "enjoy sex." The reasoning was simple: for young girls not yet psychologically ready for sexual intimacy, sex was an "act of violence." Nor were Spartan girls married to much older men as was usual in other Greek cities. It is estimated that most Spartan wives were only 4 to 5 years younger than their husbands.
With their husbands confined to barracks and on active service until the age of 31 and frequently called up for campaigns or engaged in political and civic duties thereafter, it was left to Sparta's matrons to run the estates. These meant that Spartan wives controlled the family wealth—and in effect the entire Spartan agricultural economy. A Spartan citizen was dependent on his wife's efficiency to pay his "dues" to his dining club. This economic power is in particularly sharp contrast to cities such as Athens, where it was illegal for a woman to control more money than she needed to buy a bushel of grain. What was more, Spartan women could inherit and so transfer wealth. Athenian women, by contrast, were never heiresses; all property passed to the next male kinsman, who might at most be required to marry the heiress in order to claim the inheritance. Economic power has always had the concomitant effect of increasing status. This is clearly evidenced by contemporary descriptions of Spartan women. They were "notorious" for having opinions ("even on political matters!") and—what was clearly worse from the perspective of other Greek men—"their husbands listened to them." Aristotle claimed that Spartan men were "ruled by their wives"—and cited the freedom of Spartan women as one of two reasons why the Spartan Constitution was reprehensible.
In a frequently quoted incident, the wife of King Leonidas was allegedly asked why Spartan women were the only women in Greece who "ruled" their husbands. Gorgo replied, "because we are the only women who give birth to men." In other words, only men with the self-confidence to accept women as equals were men at all.
Spartan women did not have a voice in the Assembly, nor were they required to spend 40 years in the army.
Last but not least, it is a frequent misconception that Spartan society was also blatantly homosexual. Curiously, no contemporary source and no archaeological evidence supports this widespread assumption. The best ancient source on Sparta, Xenophon, explicitly denies the already common rumors about widespread pederasty. Aristotle noted that the power of women in Sparta was typical of all militaristic and warlike societies without a strong emphasis on male homosexuality—arguing that in Sparta this "positive" moderating factor on the role of women in society was absent. There is no Spartan/Laconian pottery with explicitly homosexual motifs—as there is from Athens and Corinth and other cities. The first recorded heterosexual love poem was written by a Spartan poet for Spartan maidens. The very fact that Spartan men tended to marry young by ancient Greek standards (in their early to mid-twenties) suggests they had less time for the homosexual love affairs that characterized early manhood in the rest of Greece. Certainly the state considered bachelorhood a disgrace, and a citizen who did not marry and produce future citizens enjoyed less status than a man who had fathered children. In no other ancient Greek city were women so well integrated into society. All this speaks against a society in which homosexuality was exceptionally common.
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...is there with the sole intention of DECEIVING whoever's clueless enough to think that this movie isn't actually about man-fucking. Really, it's about sweaty men, covered in blood, fucking other men in the ass, with the occasional A2M blowjob thrown in.
That said, I'm there. This trailer looks much better than that Flash trailer we first saw. The colors look paler, and that's already a big plus. Plotwise, there's nothing we should expect from 300 other than an adolescent macho closet-homossexual power fantasy. That's a given, since it's based on a Frank Miller comic. But I'm more than willing to ignore that if this movie works as a coherent, adrenaline-pumped battle adventure, with some cute videogamey visuals. -
please. this looks ridiculous.
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I agree with Lil LoLo. What kind of fucker would adapt a book into a film without the authors approval? A Hollywood douchebag, that's who.
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and all their shiny shirtless chests with their phallic spears and orgiastic shouting. Seriously, who cares if there's homosexual undertones? Spartans had more man-boy love than Mark Foley himself, so it pretty much makes sense. And why is it that everyone complains about movies being unoriginal and whatnot, then when they're shown something like this, they say "not historically accurate" (it's not trying to be), "looks fake" (looks stylized and dreamlike and BEAUTIFUL), or "gay" (seriously, shut up)? Seriously, do you want more orginal, more daring studio films or do you want Die Hard 4 directed by the Underworld guy? Oh wait . . .
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Sin City with a Pastel Pallet
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Than to love along side the majority. Because you know you'll get a negative reaction and now you can bicker back and forth.
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..but not because of this movie. This movie looks badass. The Watchmen though CANNOT BE MADE. It's the definitive comic book story that will lose everything it means if translated. It won't work even if The Worlds Greatest Director made it with The World's Most Perfect Cast. It just won't. And Alan Moore doesn't give two shits and a fuck if people make movies about his comics, he just wants nothing to do with them.
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It's been about 4 months. ABOUT TIME!
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But wow that trailer kicked ass. Though for jump fighting... you can tell someone's been watching Troy (a very under-rated movie with some of the best choreographed duels of all time). I hope the movie lives up to the trailer... they usually don't... crossing fingers....
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Moriarty, I was at ComicCon--the grainy leaked promo was *not* the footage that was shown there. Some of it was (like Leonidas' childhood, albeit with a gruffer voice over from Wenham than we saw) but the ComicCon footage was a combination of the promo and this official trailer--with alot more sex and gore. The Quicktime trailer is the closest to what Snyder showed there. If you're going to brag about sitting in Zack Snyder's editing room, get your facts a little tighter.
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Just cause it gave you wood doesn't make it gay you limp wristed fruit biscuits. Now go cork yourselves, you're starting to stink.
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Rorscharch - John C. McGinley
Nite Owl - John Cusack
The Comedian - Mickey Rourke
Ozymandias - Christian Bale
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pretty much sir. It is pretty damn clear what you are driving at: You try to convince us how well the Spartans treated their wives to create the impression of a positive society. Your ideal state however (a point you stress about one million times) didn't have any homosexuals.You know, just stay in your dream world of muscular heteros kicking the shit out of each other... we actually know that the people who are most afraid of homosexuals really have a repressed sexuality... I mean, being a hetero (although you do admire "real men" how about that?) why should you even care about what other men are doing in their beds? Why all that hatred? Because, my friend, deep in your heart you are a repressed gay and in fighting against homosexuals you are fighting against the parts of your soul you don't wanna acknowledge. Do you still remember the other guys in high school dating women why you had your dark thoughts about gays? There was a reason for that, face it:
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...but set in ancient Greece.
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Borris Vallejo is not the best John Carter artist-and Frazetta though unique and great for Conan is a downright shitty John Carter Artist (Frazetta draws “Frazetta” rather than the actual subject), Check Michael Wheelan for accuracy. And yes that movie will kick ass if its shot right.
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Was a shitty battle scene in an even shittier movie. Great- show us the battle set up, talk about it in a tent, then shoot a lot of CG dust. Wow. How impressive… NOT. Braveheart’s worst battle was better than that shit for a fraction of the budget with a tenth of the technology…oh and Gladiators set up was also superior to Gaugasmella. Stoned should have stuck with bad political films
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“If Thermopylae was today. . Nancy Pelosi would say that only if "understood the Persians" they would leave us alone” ////
Preach the word Krullboy- the only thing more alien to a far leftist than an understanding of history is the ability to make a correlation. (well maybe reading comprehension is also more alien...just look up and read the US Constitution then watch how they "interpret" some rather basic sentences)
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I rarely make judgements based on trailers but this looks aweful.... seriously. I hope the story is good and trust that it is due to the source material but I don't think I could sit thru 2 hours of those overstyleized visuals and screaming every line like the person is a hundred miles away from the person theyre talking to.... Never really hate on these talk backs but have to this time. This looks gay.
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why most of you are excited about this, but really there is so much more that could have been done with this story. Now we'll be stuck with just this, since it probably wont do very well. Gates of Fire while flawed would have been better. Leonidas wasn't a dude who yelled "Sparta" lot. The Spartans weren't just comic book characters who didn't care about dying.
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One thing seems to typify the haters of this trailer (actually two things - but the puerile calls of "gayness" from insecure teenagers are easily ignored).
The haters against this trailer all have an "it must be done this way or it sucks" mentality. Look at the source material - Frank Miller's 300. It's not called Gates of Fire or The Battle of Thermopylae, or Ancient History 101.
It's called 300. Because it's based on Frank Miller's highly stylised picture book, 300. It's a highly stylised film. Don't like stylised? Go watch your home movies.
There's yelling in this trailer. Yep. Good pick up. 2 or 3 shouted lines in a trailer equates to a film full of yelling how?
Anyway this looks freakin' great. If you're sitting at your computer hating on this at the moment - it's your loss. It's just one more negative attitude to make your life miserable. -
Yeah Bogart- Darth Kenobi cites historical evidence to support the likely true position that Spartans did not from a societal standpoint condone/favor homosexuality…and you say he’s a closeted fag because he doesn’t drool on his shirt and spout mindless PC mantra… facts be damned. (You probably said the same thing about Homer’s Achilles without realizing that position is not supported in even one sentence in the actual Iliad) Look dude….you’re gay…and we’re all ok with that….really… but just because you want to bump butts with every dude sans a shirt doesn’t mean they necessarily share your homo-erotic fantasies….in fact they probably almost never do (maybe hence the animosity)…anyway, the point is maybe you should back up what you “think” (Note that I use that word loosely) with facts or shut up and go download some more gay porn…it will make you happier, and you’ll avoid looking stupid at the same time…see a win-win!
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if the video game looks that good imagine what the trailer for the film will look like.....
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of the Spartans now. "War" as we know it today would not be impeded by the media, and all sides in conflicts, good and bad, would strategically destroy the other side. This can not happen now. . .when the Romans defeated the Carthaginians in the Punic Wars, they killed everyone, sacked the city, and poured salt into the soil to prevent agriculture. Total victory. If Israel today could fight like that, there would be a radically different Middle East. China could wipe Taiwan off the map if it chose too, but the media outrage would be unbelievable; same reason why Tianamen Square could not happen now, too much media. I am not advocating wholesale violence, just identifying that we live in a time when the media is as dominant a force on the battlefield as a tank or a commander. Without the restraint of the media, today's military hardware would destroy 100s of thousands. Information/Media is the new weapon.
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Was that a shot of a fairly attractive woman kissing a terribly scarred woman in the trailer? or was the scarred one supposed to be some kind of super-effeminate Persian prince? And who the hell is the orc-looking hunchback guy? I thought this was supposed to be based on history? Somebody who read the graphic novel care to explain this?
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Looks great - Sin City in Greece, but great. Can't wait to see it.
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http://www.davestrailerpage.co.uk
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Come on, gents. If you didn't get goosebumps from the kickassity of that trailer, I might just have to question your manhood. Let the pimple-faced homophobes skulk in the corner and grumble about gayness while the rest of us sit back and watch that sexy madness unfold. I say a good film is a good film is a good film. Leave your fucking politics at home where they belong.
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Just download it through quicktime. It's right in the file menu "save as movie".
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Unfortunately it is a one sided weapon that serves to protect evil nations and restrain good ones - and there is where I disagree with you a bit- I don’t think the media can stop another Tianamen Square just as it is worthless in Stopping a Saddam from throwing people into industrial paper shredders and genocides like Darfur. The reasons for this are numerous: First evil leaders don’t care what some empty suit on a television says, second that leader usually has State control over their own media so wont feel repercussions in their own county for the atrocities they perform, and third most of the media are idiotic appeasers, so will gladly give an evil leader a pass the minute he starts pretending to engage in diplomacy - and this last has been true for the better part of a century, from Stalin and Hitler, to various other Soviet leaders, to Castro, Saddam, and the various self admitted genocidal Middle eastern dictators….the Western media has no spine for any harsh actions if it involves their own governments while it quickly forgives or forgets far worse actions from our enemies. Don’t get me wrong war should never be entered into lightly, but once it’s done, it should be fought to win …. Dragging out conflict for decade after decade with small victories when your enemy would kill everyone if they got the upper hand is just nutty. It is a testament to our extreme cushy lifestyle and overconfidence in the West- this is a product of really not being able to imagine losing the upper hand…hopefully the West never will, because if we do, the price for this strategy will be horrific. I think Churchill has the template that should be followed. It’s very harsh by today’s standards - and by his day’s standards as well (until he was proven right) He was after all decried as a warmonger before he became the Leader of England. If you get the chance, pick up “The Gathering Storm” (Unabridged)– but I recommend it on tape as it’s very long and a bit heavy- but fascinating. As far as I’m concerned this should be required reading for a college history class- Churchill was fond of the phrase “Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it”. It drove him crazy that Liberals of his era ignored the lessons of dealing with evil dictators that has been taught before the 1930s…. Undoubtedly he’s spinning in his grave over the current blinder-driven mentality as we speak. Sigh…..
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Dude, I am not a hater. I understand that this is based on 300. I own a hardcover of 300, and I think its pretty cool. I liked Sin City as well. My point is that we're probably getting only one shot at a movie about hoplites and I wish we were getting something more realistic. If this movie bombs then we're one step closer to not getting any historical epics. Of course that wouldnt be the fault of 300 alone, just another to go along with Troy, Alexander, and Kingdom of Heaven, doing their best to fuck up the chance that Braveheart's VHS and DVD sales and Gladiator's critical acclaim gave us.
And as far as saying that Leonidas only yells in the film, well I can only comment on what they're showing in the trailer and in the sneak peak since that's all we've been given. It doesn't seem like the movie is big on dialogue. If I have that impression and its wrong then I'll blame the marketing department. -
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The people who are trying to explain the behavior of the "haters" are really annoying me. Apparently it isn't possible that we simply disliked the trailer (and honestly, I thought that it was an absolutely embarassment). I did not dislike it because it was "gay". I did not dislike it because it looks historically inaccurate. I did not dislike it to stray from the majority. I disliked it because I thought that it was poorly done and looked like its target audience was people who have severe cases of ADD.
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"Meh". No really. I'll say it's a pretty powerful trailer, because of the rising-to-a-crescendo music. But trailers always give you a hint to the quality of the movie and...I don't know guys. Maybe a cool 15 minute fight scene at most.
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shit is dead, that's why nobody's saying it, CORNY MOTHERF*CKER!!
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Another catch-cry of the hater is... "made for people with ADD". I can assure you plenty of people without that particular affliction will enjoy this flick.
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Look at the composition of the shots - it's actually very painterly and deliberately composed. It just seems that so many people have a very narrow view of how a film should look, sound and pace. Anything that falls outside that sope "sucks".
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I, for one, am all for embracing the new resources available to filmmakers. It's called diversity folks - yet some act as if CG scenery and alternative editing techniques are a personal affront to them.
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You are fully entitled to not like it, and you can express that dislike by not watching it. However, apart from Pallando, I'm yet to hear something from the haters that isn't homophobic, luddite, narrow-minded, parochial whining. -
If you watch this movie, yer a fucktard. Really. If you listen to NIN on a regular basis, you deserve to die. Seriously. This trailer was designed to draw out the degenerate, tastless assholes who jerk off and spooge wildly to shit like this set to shitty alt-rock. You people really have to die soon. Please.
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This trailer is the shit. but it's only a trailer, I've been fucked by trailers before. But I have to say, my big dick got hard when The Persian king said "A thousand nations have the Persian empire descend upon you. My arrows will block out the sun" and the Spartan replied, "then we will fight in the shade." I think. At that moment, I nuted. One can't help but wonder. If our warriors was like those of old, what a world, this would be.
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Yeah exactly, except Sin City was in black and white and this films in color.
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The pod race looked like playstation. people who say special effects in a movie look like a video game. should be beaten.
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'And to you who say spartans were gay; no they were not officially homosexual. Sure there might have been one or two closet gays like everywere else, but their men were heterosexual, as in they made love to women, they even married at an early age.'
MARRIAGE AND SEXUALITY WERE BARELY RELATED; women for children, men for pleasure; you ever heard that?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_the_militaries_of_ancient_Greece
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...you're supposed to use "suspension of disbelief" not bitch about the special effects. Movies are made to "entertain." How about looking at the "story content" for once? Its like looking a gift that was given too you but, its not wrapped just right. Bunch of crybabies!
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Oh and if you think American (Hollywood) movies are any indication of regular and well-adjusted attitude to sexuality; you really are a freak. Hollywood film exudes this rampant twisted violent homoeroticism BECAUSE they are so eager to avoid it. Other nations, particularly Hispanic nations and the UK, embrace the fluctuations of sexuality in such a way that you can’t tell by watching their films whether it is a ‘gay’ movie or a ‘straight’ movie; it’s just a movie about different types of people. Pedro Almodovar is not considered a ‘gay’ film-maker in Spain. Americans LOVE violence and ABHOR sex; therefore the sexuality has become intrinsically, weirdly linked with violence. Hollywood movies are also incredibly racist; black men are only allowed to date black or Hispanic women in the US media; white men get white girls. You guys are NOT normal; you are deeply puritanical, stereotypical and neurotic.
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Oh and if you think American (Hollywood) movies are any indication of regular and well-adjusted attitude to sexuality; you really are a freak. Hollywood film exudes this rampant twisted violent homoeroticism BECAUSE they are so eager to avoid it. Other nations, particularly Hispanic nations and the UK, embrace the fluctuations of sexuality in such a way that you can’t tell by watching their films whether it is a ‘gay’ movie or a ‘straight’ movie; it’s just a movie about different types of people. Pedro Almodovar is not considered a ‘gay’ film-maker in Spain. Americans LOVE violence and ABHOR sex; therefore the sexuality has become intrinsically, weirdly linked with violence. Hollywood movies are also incredibly racist; black men are only allowed to date black or Hispanic women in the US media; white men get white girls. You guys are NOT normal; you are deeply puritanical, stereotypical and neurotic.
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Ah bliss... that perfect mix of trailer music and sweet visuals... gives those good tingles of anticipation.
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'Maybe when I look really mad and shout really hard It will come off as intense...' I get King Arthuritis when I watch him. He just looks and acts like a soccer hooligan or right wing extremist. I don't find him convincing at all.. His speech doesn't deliver (watch Mel or Crowe do it right)
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I just woke up from a shock induced coma. 300 is going to rock balls.
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Zack Snyder's 300 looks like The Cell...or even a CGI'ed up version of portions of the Losing My Religion R.E.M. video. It looks wildly overacted as some have mentioned in the talkback. Yeah, it's striking visually, but it doesn't feel groundbreadking in the way that Sin City was.
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glad you got the chance to say it before I did man - serously folks I have'nt read the comic book yet but even i know its an adaptation of Frank Millers book - last i checked sin city did'nt look all that realistic either. you want to learn about the real history than fuck off to wikipedia...i can't wait to see this
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and homoerotic as fuck, but damn, this movie looks amazing. I just hope the style doesn't get overbearing.
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Because it makes you want to see the movie, if only to bitch about how it isn't historically accurate or looks like a video game or whatever you want to say to make yourself look clever.
I think the look of the film is pretty startling, in the same way that Sin City was - when I saw the first trailers for that I was really pissed off with the style, yet when I saw the film in its entirety I loved it. This is just a trailer, of course they're going to put in the most memorable images.
My favourite was the guy flying towards the other guy on the throne, in a Jeff Hardy style.
I mean do you think it's possible to make a historical epic like this WITHOUT using CGI? Course not, so why not go all out and give it that crazy mythical look?
And for all you guys moaning about it being 'gay' - give it up lads, the best action movies are also the gayest. Naked sweaty men grappling with each other? You fucking love it.
And he's shouting because he's talking to a bunch of soldiers & doesn't have a megaphone and is under a bit of stress seeing as how there's a million Persians looking to kick fuck out of him.
I think you'd be a bit shouty too.
Also it covers up his speech impediment.
PS Anyone notice a resemblance between Gerard Butler & Freddy Mercury? I think it's the teeth...
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"He just looks and acts like a soccer hooligan or right wing extremist."Oh yeah, he totally fits the right wing extremist bill. -_-
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Apparently none of you people have ever been to a museum seeing as all that faggot shit adorns the walls. I mean that little faggoty baby jesus all naked and shit. EWWW! Gross! Cuz every time I see a male abdomen I just whip my dick out and start yankin as hard as I can! I mean if you look back through history everytime there is anything naked it is about sex. Its science. I had no idea there were so many John Ashcrofts running around this site. Did he start cloning himself or something? Yeah and why on earth is this movie looking not real because I like all my movies entirely naturalistic. I fucking hate LOTR and SW because of all that CGI and style! The only movies I like are home movies and stage plays...that is as real as it gets folks. No CGI in real life. Seriously though either ever one of you is 15 and insecure or just a really pathetic excuse for an adult to still think this way. It is just kinda sad.
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Only young teenage girls argue like you. Your ideas about homophobia-homosexuality are from the stoneage. Something young fools like to throw at each other at school. How about that? You are either a girl or gay. I think you are gay. No make that a lesbian.
Is it pretty sure what I´m driving at? No Sparta wasn´t the ideal state, nor do I hate gays. I just said that most people didn´t like the film Alexander because Oliver Stone made him bisexual, which he was. My problem was with Alexander´s character, not with his gayness. I didn´t dislike him because he was gay/bisexual, I disliked him because he behaved like a pussy all the time, he wasn´t great, unlike the character of Maximus. The real Alexander was probably like Stone made him in the film, but that was also the films greatest weakness, people don´t want historical realism, they want to be entertained!! That´s why 300, with all it´s half naked men, whose bodies I will admire without flinching and be inspired by without ever being aroused by them, will make tons of money.
“900LBGorilla” understands where I´m coming from because I “cites historical evidence to support the likely true position that Spartans did not from a societal standpoint condone/favor homosexuality” and wasn´t attacking gays!!
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That´s how the greeks lived. I was talking about the spartans. Did I say marriage and sexuality is the same thing ? Read what I write, "Sepulchrave".
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They must have taken the costumes from "300 Barebacking Greeks". The acting is even porno in quality and on that noat it looks good...I will see it.
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with you brilliant argumentation. Let me summarize your thoughts: Darth Bogart is gay, probably a gay girl and shoul go fuck some asses. Really intelligent, guys. As a matter of fact your very post confirms most views I have on homophobia.
1.) You guys are obsessed. You see see homosexuality as a threat. Don't tell me Master Kenobi put that long historical lecture on this talkback to simply show us historical facts. He shows us his image of an ideal society (manly Spartans without homosexual tendencies treating their wives in a good way) and contrasts that with his distopia: Athens, the place of corruption and vases that depict homosexual sex. If that isn't homophobia, I don't know what.
2.) The way in which you have to stress that you feel totally comfortable with watching bulky half-naked man-butt is hilarious. You know, most heteros just watch it without having gay or anti-gay thoughts in our heads and we don't even have to stress our non-arousedness all the time. That does make one suspicious. You are comfortable with watching men on screen? Congratulations, welcome to the hetero club. But why even mention it all the time.
Ah well, I guess I am writing in vain anyway, all I'll get back from people like you is "you are gay. a gay girl.
You are a little sad.
Homophopia is still gay. And stressing and underlining and repeating your heterosexuality doesn't change that.
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A gay parrot. That´s why: "And stressing and underlining and repeating your heterosexuality doesn't change that."
Where is all this stressing and…and…and? I was comparing films set in the ancient world, and was talking about facts vs. fantasy, homoerotic subtext vs. gay bashing and you attacked me for that. I agree with talbackers that say most movies coming out today have homoerotic subtext, but we still love those movies, like Rambo, Predator and Commando with Schwarzenegger. Movies made in the 80´s that are no longer made today. There are exceptions of course; when the homoeroticism goes too far like in "Batman and Robin", but that movie was totally gay anyway made by a director who had lost it. And no I´m not stressing anything, before you start again, fucking parrot. Take Bryan Singer, who makes great movies, because he knows how to not make gay characters. He creates believable characters, with great actors. So am I bashing gays, now? Bryan Singer is openly gay, but I appreciate his work very much.
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The hero of the movie is King Leonidas. In this movie, he has a gorgeous wife. We even see him with her in a love scene – and he’s having fun (I mean he is not grinning and bearing it). The character is into the opposite sex…300, a movie based on Frank Miller's ART, is about ancient warfare and outnumbered Spartans. Thus, the soldiering up (i.e. the yelling. Athletes do it in sports all the time. Pick one) and triceps and biceps (i.e. muscles) - mean you are a warrior who is ready to wield your sword and spear against thousands of enemies. As a non-homophobic straight guy, that’s ALL I see, nothing more. But hey, it’s a free country.
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Make sure you include in that personal note to ignore all things Jar Jar 4 Prez. One word: useless.
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Make sure you include in that personal note to ignore all things Jar Jar 4 Prez. One word: useless.
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...but I thought it important.
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It's about time NIN got some more play in movies.
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Because you summarized the theme, the essence of the 300 story in a few elequent words. Sometimes that is more effective than showing a long historical document, or trying to talk sense to fools like Darth Bogart.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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looks like Chronicles of Riddick, with even worse acting.
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But movie still looks great, I'll still watch it.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDiUG52ZyHQ
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Fucking awesome. If this is your flavor of pulp, can't see how this is going to disappoint. John Carter better look this cool. Favreau's love for practical effects and Harry's love for men-in-suits has me worried that JC is going to be cheeeesy. That trailer is a good example of how to do it, hire a bunch of visual artists and let them go to town. Skip the techies and hire people with visual style.
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Calm Down....
And I think I must be in the minority when I say I dont think this movie looks THAT great. The special effects seem to really be the main draw. I want it to be good, I want to like it, but I dont find myself getting really excited for it. Sin City looked good too, then I saw it. And It sucked. And I agree with whoever said the bearded guy sucks. He looks like a fat ass, and his head must be 3 feet from tophat to chin. -
that was nearly a rational, coherent argument. You are definitely improving. And I even agree on some of your ideas. Sure do we heteros recognize homoerotic undertones without hating the movies, I mean that goes back to the classics (Schiller's pieces are essentially rather gay). You still have a tendency to equate gayness with something negative, e.g. when you stress that you like Bryan Singer because his characters are not gay. If by that you mean that you hate characters that adhere to a certain stereotype of homosexuakity, I couldn't agree more. If you however mean that you like Singer because he doesn't show gayness I have a problem with that. Your post on history was by the way much more than only a neutral reconstruction of facts. Read it again, you clearly present the Spartans as more positive because they were supposedly less gay. I got a strong impression of a momobashing slant. Maybe I am wrong, but having known homosexuals whose life had turned into hell after their coming out I react rather emotionally on the subject.
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when he says "superserious." Frank Miller's work is only good when he doesn't take himself too seriously, and adds lots of dark humour. Hell, I even liked The Dark Knight Strikes Again because of the great dark comedy. Sin City was funnier than any comedy Hollywood has produced in the last five years, and it was also dark as hell. My major worry is that without enough humour 300 is going to fall flat.
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Good call. The trailer was, well, rather bad.
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Let’s see you just criticized me for calling you gay? TELL ME you’re fucking kidding – please… I mean do you know the word “shame”? No? OK-Let’s review. Darth Kenobi gives a logically argued, fact supported post about why Sparta did not promote homosexuality…and YOUR response is: >>>>> Then you have the gall to say WE are obsessed with Gays? You are the DEFINITION of gay obsessed- you respond to a fact based post with an “argument” supported with the awesome argument that the only way Kenobi could site such horrific facts would be because he is a repressed fag…I mean LMFAO! Again, you use no logic, no facts, indeed you offer no refutation based on anything resembling someone with any intellect to speak of…. you are just apparently REALLY pissed that someone doesn’t follow your drooling PC fantasy of an all gay history. Which led me to wonder why you could be so pissed? What dog do you have in this fight since you obviously have no BASIS for your opinion…I mean you must have a lot invested in half naked men all being gay… to get so worked up about something that you don’t actually KNOW anything about…..Which made me think HMMMM Gorilla…why could that be?…could he be ….gay??? Well I guess the other option is that perhaps you don’t like the other focal point in Kenobi’s Post… that Women had rights in Sparta they didn’t in Athens...perhaps you just like when women are treated like glorified pets and subjugated into subservience while their men had “healthy” sex with underdeveloped boys (which they did in Athens)? So I guess the other option is… Maybe you are just Female-a-phobe. You tell us…I’m just guessing why you are so baselessly passionate. You see Bogart…when people argue with all emotions and no facts…that’s when they can legitimately be said to have an agenda…or some psychosis or phobia…and note to Bogart….that person is YOU. (Oh and hint to you, I have no trouble admitting a society promotes gays- when its based on a fact…tools like you who were probably indoctrinated by some 45 IQ liberal Professor give debates like this a bad name….believe it or not Greece was around for a long time with different cultures over the centuries and over different geographical locations….and despite your fantasies… many of these societies were FAR from the homoerotic center that Athens became…refer again to the Iliad- I’d bet 100-1 you think Achilles/Patrocles were gay too…(and probably bitched about their hetero portrayal in “Troy”) my challenge to you- cite ONE line from the Iliad that supports this…and good luck finding it…)
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Let’s see you just criticized me for calling you gay? TELL ME you’re fucking kidding – please… I mean do you know the word “shame”? No? OK-Let’s review. Darth Kenobi gives a logically argued, fact supported post about why Sparta did not promote homosexuality…and YOUR response is: >>>>> Then you have the gall to say WE are obsessed with Gays? You are the DEFINITION of gay obsessed- you respond to a fact based post with an “argument” supported with the awesome argument that the only way Kenobi could site such horrific facts would be because he is a repressed fag…I mean LMFAO! Again, you use no logic, no facts, indeed you offer no refutation based on anything resembling someone with any intellect to speak of…. you are just apparently REALLY pissed that someone doesn’t follow your drooling PC fantasy of an all gay history. Which led me to wonder why you could be so pissed? What dog do you have in this fight since you obviously have no BASIS for your opinion…I mean you must have a lot invested in half naked men all being gay… to get so worked up about something that you don’t actually KNOW anything about…..Which made me think HMMMM Gorilla…why could that be?…could he be ….gay??? Well I guess the other option is that perhaps you don’t like the other focal point in Kenobi’s Post… that Women had rights in Sparta they didn’t in Athens...perhaps you just like when women are treated like glorified pets and subjugated into subservience while their men had “healthy” sex with underdeveloped boys (which they did in Athens)? So I guess the other option is… Maybe you are just Female-a-phobe. You tell us…I’m just guessing why you are so baselessly passionate. You see Bogart…when people argue with all emotions and no facts…that’s when they can legitimately be said to have an agenda…or some psychosis or phobia…and note to Bogart….that person is YOU. (Oh and hint to you, I have no trouble admitting a society promotes gays- when its based on a fact…tools like you who were probably indoctrinated by some 45 IQ liberal Professor give debates like this a bad name….believe it or not Greece was around for a long time with different cultures over the centuries and over different geographical locations….and despite your fantasies… many of these societies were FAR from the homoerotic center that Athens became…refer again to the Iliad- I’d bet 100-1 you think Achilles/Patrocles were gay too…(and probably bitched about their hetero portrayal in “Troy”) my challenge to you- cite ONE line from the Iliad that supports this…and good luck finding it…)
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Let’s see you just criticized me for calling you gay? TELL ME you’re fucking kidding – please… I mean do you know the word “shame”? No? OK-Let’s review. Darth Kenobi gives a logically argued, fact supported post about why Sparta did not promote homosexuality…and YOUR response is: >>>>> Then you have the gall to say WE are obsessed with Gays? You are the DEFINITION of gay obsessed- you respond to a fact based post with an “argument” supported with the awesome argument that the only way Kenobi could site such horrific facts would be because he is a repressed fag…I mean LMFAO! Again, you use no logic, no facts, indeed you offer no refutation based on anything resembling someone with any intellect to speak of…. you are just apparently REALLY pissed that someone doesn’t follow your drooling PC fantasy of an all gay history. Which led me to wonder why you could be so pissed? What dog do you have in this fight since you obviously have no BASIS for your opinion…I mean you must have a lot invested in half naked men all being gay… to get so worked up about something that you don’t actually KNOW anything about…..Which made me think HMMMM Gorilla…why could that be?…could he be ….gay??? Well I guess the other option is that perhaps you don’t like the other focal point in Kenobi’s Post… that Women had rights in Sparta they didn’t in Athens...perhaps you just like when women are treated like glorified pets and subjugated into subservience while their men had “healthy” sex with underdeveloped boys (which they did in Athens)? So I guess the other option is… Maybe you are just Female-a-phobe. You tell us…I’m just guessing why you are so baselessly passionate. You see Bogart…when people argue with all emotions and no facts…that’s when they can legitimately be said to have an agenda…or some psychosis or phobia…and note to Bogart….that person is YOU. (Oh and hint to you, I have no trouble admitting a society promotes gays- when its based on a fact…tools like you who were probably indoctrinated by some 45 IQ liberal Professor give debates like this a bad name….believe it or not Greece was around for a long time with different cultures over the centuries and over different geographical locations….and despite your fantasies… many of these societies were FAR from the homoerotic center that Athens became…refer again to the Iliad- I’d bet 100-1 you think Achilles/Patrocles were gay too…(and probably bitched about their hetero portrayal in “Troy”) my challenge to you- cite ONE line from the Iliad that supports this…and good luck finding it…)
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Let’s see you just criticized me for calling you gay? TELL ME you’re fucking kidding – please… I mean do you know the word “shame”? No? OK-Let’s review. Darth Kenobi gives a logically argued, fact supported post about why Sparta did not promote homosexuality…and YOUR response is:--------- “Master Kenobi, you suck... we actually know that the people who are most afraid of homosexuals really have a repressed sexuality… …. you are a repressed gay and in fighting against homosexuals you are fighting against the parts of your soul you don't wanna acknowledge. Do you still remember the other guys in high school dating women why you had your dark thoughts about gays? There was a reason for that, face it: homophobia is gay. And so are you.”------------ Then you have the gall to say WE are obsessed with Gays? You are the DEFINITION of gay obsessed- you respond to a fact based post with an “argument” supported with the awesome argument that the only way Kenobi could site such horrific facts would be because he is a repressed fag…I mean LMFAO! Again, you use no logic, no facts, indeed you offer no refutation based on anything resembling someone with any intellect to speak of…. you are just apparently REALLY pissed that someone doesn’t follow your drooling PC fantasy of an all gay history. Which led me to wonder why you could be so pissed? What dog do you have in this fight since you obviously have no BASIS for your opinion…I mean you must have a lot invested in half naked men all being gay… to get so worked up about something that you don’t actually KNOW anything about…..Which made me think HMMMM Gorilla…why could that be?…could he be ….gay??? Well I guess the other option is that perhaps you don’t like the other focal point in Kenobi’s Post… that Women had rights in Sparta they didn’t in Athens...perhaps you just like when women are treated like glorified pets and subjugated into subservience while their men had “healthy” sex with underdeveloped boys (which they did in Athens)? So I guess the other option is… Maybe you are just Female-a-phobe. You tell us…I’m just guessing why you are so baselessly passionate. You see Bogart…when people argue with all emotions and no facts…that’s when they can legitimately be said to have an agenda…or some psychosis or phobia…and note to Bogart….that person is YOU. (Oh and hint to you, I have no trouble admitting a society promotes gays- when its based on a fact…tools like you who were probably indoctrinated by some 45 IQ liberal Professor give debates like this a bad name….believe it or not Greece was around for a long time with different cultures over the centuries and over different geographical locations….and despite your fantasies… many of these societies were FAR from the homoerotic center that Athens became…refer again to the Iliad- I’d bet 100-1 you think Achilles/Patrocles were gay too…(and probably bitched about their hetero portrayal in “Troy”) my challenge to you- cite ONE line from the Iliad that supports this…and good luck finding it…)
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Let’s see you just criticized me for calling you gay? TELL ME you’re fucking kidding – please… I mean do you know the word “shame”? No? OK-Let’s review. Darth Kenobi gives a logically argued, fact supported post about why Sparta did not promote homosexuality…and YOUR response is: “Master Kenobi, you suck... we actually know that the people who are most afraid of homosexuals really have a repressed sexuality… …. you are a repressed gay and in fighting against homosexuals you are fighting against the parts of your soul you don't wanna acknowledge. Do you still remember the other guys in high school dating women why you had your dark thoughts about gays? There was a reason for that, face it: homophobia is gay. And so are you.”).... ... Then you have the gall to say WE are obsessed with Gays? You are the DEFINITION of gay obsessed- you respond to a fact based post with an “argument” supported with the awesome argument that the only way Kenobi could site such horrific facts would be because he is a repressed fag…I mean LMFAO! Again, you use no logic, no facts, indeed you offer no refutation based on anything resembling someone with any intellect to speak of…. you are just apparently REALLY pissed that someone doesn’t follow your drooling PC fantasy of an all gay history. Which led me to wonder why you could be so pissed? What dog do you have in this fight since you obviously have no BASIS for your opinion…I mean you must have a lot invested in half naked men all being gay… to get so worked up about something that you don’t actually KNOW anything about…..Which made me think HMMMM Gorilla…why could that be?…could he be ….gay??? Well I guess the other option is that perhaps you don’t like the other focal point in Kenobi’s Post… that Women had rights in Sparta they didn’t in Athens...perhaps you just like when women are treated like glorified pets and subjugated into subservience while their men had “healthy” sex with underdeveloped boys (which they did in Athens)? So I guess the other option is… Maybe you are just Female-a-phobe. You tell us…I’m just guessing why you are so baselessly passionate. You see Bogart…when people argue with all emotions and no facts…that’s when they can legitimately be said to have an agenda…or some psychosis or phobia…and note to Bogart….that person is YOU. (Oh and hint to you, I have no trouble admitting a society promotes gays- when its based on a fact…tools like you who were probably indoctrinated by some 45 IQ liberal Professor give debates like this a bad name….believe it or not Greece was around for a long time with different cultures over the centuries and over different geographical locations….and despite your fantasies… many of these societies were FAR from the homoerotic center that Athens became…refer again to the Iliad- I’d bet 100-1 you think Achilles/Patrocles were gay too…(and probably bitched about their hetero portrayal in “Troy”) my challenge to you- cite ONE line from the Iliad that supports this…and good luck finding it…)
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I know I'm late to the party and no one will ever read this, but whatever. I'm just not feeling this trailer. Maybe it's because I never read the book, but I'm seeing a lot of green-screened heads on very unconvincing (and sometimes quite dull) CG backgrounds, and the whole thing looks VERY cartoony to me. Maybe context will bring this thing to life, but as it is, this whole trailer looks like a bad cut scene from an XBox360 game. Not feeling it at all.
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Now I know what this trailer reminds me of. It looks like a collection of incomplete effects shots from Chronicles of Riddick. I knew it was reminding me of something.
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If we're going to talk about the historical Sparta, let's remember that the Spartans fucking failed. Their society combined the worst features of communism and oligarchy, and as a result their society was almost laughably stagnant after the initial period of energy connected with the creation of its institutions. Every society around them outgrew them and Sparta turned into a hick country village. Even at the height of their power they were inferior to the Athenians in virtually every way, including militarily, and their success in taking Athens down was largely due to the fact that most other Greek states saw Athens as the bigger threat. So let's not idealize them too much, m'kay? Their "legend" is mainly the result of the fact that the story of Leonidas appeals to the concept of bravery most favored by schoolboys and military amateurs.
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...Hannibal, Cyrus the Great, Ghengis Khan, Attila the Hun, Tamerlane and other military leaders of that caliber.
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I agree with you most of the time and the first part of your post is all true as well. I disagree with your passing evaluation of Sparta’s military prowess (Obviously you need to review the trailer at the top of this link again). Yes, Sparta certainly did have an inferior political structure to Athens- but I don’t blame them too much for that one -and you shouldn’t either- in that respect Athens was in a class by itself. Besides, if you keep up with this line of argument our friendly neighborhood leftists won’t know who to cheer for… the child molesters with the amazing democracy - or the communists who somehow failed to evolve into such a sexually ambiguous society…
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As I said in an earlier post… Reading comprehension ain’t a lib strong suit is it? Thanks for proving my point…. Now go back, read my posts again (slowly in your case- and using a dictionary as necessary) and you will see that no where in my post am I AT ALL “bent out of shape about being called on my homosexuality”. What did “bend me out of shape” was pretty clear- and I can see why a lib missed the concept as it somehow seems foreign to most of you –so allow me to spell it out… I was bent out of shape by blatant hypocrisy combined with purely ad-hominem arguments entirely driven by emotion and with a complete lack of anything resembling logic and/or facts. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind biting sarcasm now and again…heck I really appreciate it when it is skillfully applied.. but said application involves backing it up with something more intelligent than the elementary school argument that equates to “if you can smell it, then you did it”. Oh and by the way, you get freaks in every walk of life…difference is when a republican is a freak (like sending some sick PMs, but not really doing anything physical) he resigns disgraced by his party, when a Dem actually DOES screw an underage page and gets caught, he gets a standing ovation on the floor from the Democrats , then elected to 13 more years of service, and is later elected by “pillars of morality” like Pelosy to important committee positions….and the the republicans are freaks? Duuuuhhhh okaaaayyy… clap away like the hypocrites you vote for do when the shoe is on the other foot- you guys would be funny if it all weren’t so darn pathetic.
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As I said in an earlier post… Reading comprehension ain’t a lib strong suit is it? Thanks for proving my point…. Now go back, read my posts again (slowly in your case- and using a dictionary as necessary) and you will see that no where in my post am I AT ALL “bent out of shape about being called on my homosexuality”. What did “bend me out of shape” was pretty clear- and I can see why a lib missed the concept as it somehow seems foreign to most of you –so allow me to spell it out… I was bent out of shape by blatant hypocrisy combined with purely ad-hominem arguments entirely driven by emotion and with a complete lack of anything resembling logic and/or facts. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind biting sarcasm now and again…heck I really appreciate it when it is skillfully applied.. but said application involves backing it up with something more intelligent than the elementary school argument that equates to “if you can smell it, then you did it”. Oh and by the way, you get freaks in every walk of life…difference is when a republican is a freak (like sending some sick PMs, but not really doing anything physical) he resigns disgraced by his party, when a Dem actually DOES screw an underage page and gets caught, he gets a standing ovation on the floor from the Democrats , then elected to 13 more years of service, and is later elected by “pillars of morality” like Pelosy to important committee positions….and the the republicans are freaks? Duuuuhhhh okaaaayyy … clap away like the hypocrites you vote for do when the shoe is on the other foot- you guys would be funny if it all weren’t so darn pathetic.
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As I said in an earlier post… Reading comprehension ain’t a lib strong suit is it? Thanks for proving my point…. Now go back, read my posts again (slowly in your case- and using a dictionary as necessary) and you will see that no where in my post am I AT ALL “bent out of shape about being called on my homosexuality”. What did “bend me out of shape” was pretty clear- and I can see why a lib missed the concept as it somehow seems foreign to most of you –so allow me to spell it out… I was bent out of shape by blatant hypocrisy combined with purely ad-hominem arguments entirely driven by emotion and with a complete lack of anything resembling logic and/or facts. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t mind biting sarcasm now and again…heck I really appreciate it when it is skillfully applied.. but said application involves backing it up with something more intelligent than the elementary school argument that equates to “if you can smell it, then you did it”. Oh and by the way, you get freaks in every walk of life…difference is when a republican is a freak (like sending some sick PMs, but not really doing anything physical) he resigns disgraced by his party, when a Dem actually DOES screw an underage page and gets caught, he gets a standing ovation on the floor from the Democrats , then elected to 13 more years of service, and is later elected by “pillars of morality” like Pelosy to important committee positions….and the the republicans are freaks? Duuuuhhhh okaaaayyy … clap away like the hypocrites you vote for do when the shoe is on the other foot- you guys would be funny if it all weren’t so darn pathetic.
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WTF- that was cached for far more than 1 minute... this site worked better before it was "upgraded"
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This site is running like SHIT these days. And the enforced lack of paragraphing makes posts longer than ten lines almost UNREADABLE.
PS: Whovere made that Chronicles of Riddick comment; you are so right that I forgive you your mutiple multiple posts; it looks EXACTLY the same and I'd like to add that, if you go back (I know; it's only been about 6 years) and look at Vin Diesel; the guy is clearly as GAY AS CHRISTMAS. Lovely guy, but homosexual. -
Caching my ass; it's fucking GONE.
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You Americans and your repressed sexuality and puritanical views. Get healthy soon, please. Your scaring the rest of the world. Onlt Jon Stewart gives me hope for you all.
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If we do buy into this movie being latently homosexual, does that mean that Leonidas kicking the african-looking guy down the huge, round, dark well is a metaphor for something?
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Man, here I was thinking you were an adult – or at least in college given your rudimentary knowledge of political figures... WOW you fooled the heck out of me... kudos little man- seriously though – how old are you, and who encourages you to watch the news? I would go into a mock paragraph about the possibility that you are worked up about Foley because someone is illegally sending you sexually explicit PMs… and yada yada... But I’m seriously wondering what grade you are in... seriously - please do tell.
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Yeah Tamwak…it would be good if we started accepting the North American Man-boy love association over here…(well they kinda do in San Francisco our version of Europe Jr.) we’re so damned repressed….we should also become Socialists ASAP so we stop abusing you Europeans and the rest of the world with unfair economic systems that actually work well…please Jon Stewart show us the way with 1 mm deep comedy… yeeaaaaahhhh…. weeeeeeeehheeee…. weeeeee!! Seriously the fact that so many in the West these days think COMEDIANS serve as a great source for intelligent commentary on geopolitical strategy, economics systems or social impacts is making me lose my faith in the human race….what a bunch of drooling monkeys we have in our midst. I guess that’s why slogans trump analysis 9 out of 10 times (And I’m stating to think the 10th time is probably just the law of averages kicking in).
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Seplchrve we disagree-but you made a good point earlier
by 900lbgorilla
Yes the catching is a pain. I thnk you make a good point in an earlier post -though I disagree with much of what you say about Hollywood earlier on–as I think the films are reverse racist – the bad guy almost always has to be a white dude now, and African Americans are almost always seen as moral paragons (my main issue is not that they have one race or another be bad/good in a specific film, but that every film seems to need to reflect the same thing). On your interracial relationship point- though I haven’t thought of it too much, I note that Will Smith “dates” multiple races of women in his films. Where I think you make a really good point is that we (in the US) seem to accept violence far more than sex. This is not to say that I think we should be an open sexual society to the level seen on the other end of the pond- but films about mutilation, torture, and extreme violence easily pull and R and have a lower rating than films with sex (even what is seen as soft core porn- no genitalia shown can’t get an R where a film with gruesome torture easily can). That is a bit twisted… (ie Hard Torture porn is more accepted than soft sexual porn here)
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And Fox news and Jerry Falwell, and Goerge W trying to justify opting out of the Genenva Convention, Gitmo, santioning torture, and the creationism museum; I think we've the right to be a bit worried. Sure, us pinko, commie, liberal Eurotrash would all be speaking German if it wasnt for you guys, but that was 1940. You've actually gone backwards in the last 60 years. As I said, I hold out hope. NASA still lights the way, and the Daily Show proves you can still have a sense of humour about things, but damn, man, you sure got some bigotted fundamentalists out there. And most of them are governing you.
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I appreciate that you are approaching this in a reasoned tone, but you are extremely misinformed on some off these issues. First, I’ll say that though I am very disappointed in Europe’s current state, I have a lot of respect for their historical accomplishments (especially in England) so I am not Anti –Europe for its own sake. But to the issues, let’s hit this point by point: Fox news- yeah great buzzword in the mass liberally biased world (and US) media, but I guarantee you can’t cite any incidents of actual bias - they are if anything (from my perspective) also liberal on many items-though they certainly generally lean right (which is good because the right “tends” to also be logically correct). Conversely the bias in our lib media has many examples of easily provable bias- the most hilarious example being Dan Rather and his forged document reporting… we need more fox News types if anything- because when all the information comes from one ideology, they tend not to call each other on their own bullshit.---- --- Falwell- not sure what you are referring to on that one… I’m not religious anyway, but the atheists over here tend to be the ones who take illegitimate positions from what I see (not always, but more often than not). ---- ----- Now to the meat –Bush is ABSOLUTLEY NOT trying to “opt out’ of the Geneva Conventions. This one drives me nuts – I think more people (especially in the mentally challenged international media) should read the damn convention and make a half effort to understand it before claiming someone is breaking it. Seriously, The Geneva Conventions CLEARLY DO NOT APPLY to terrorists. They apply to convention signatories, and even then only to soldiers who meet criteria (this one reason Spies have never been given Convention rights even when they represent a country who signed it). Further though it can apply to non-signatories- it only does so when those people follow the conventions of war and follow certain uniform codes…ooops NONE of which Gitmo detainees do… sorry for the legal detail, but seriously I hate when the media misinforms people about “rights” as they always seem to when a convention (or constitution) is brought up. Finally we have slid back in 60 years- but we have slid more to liberal foolishness rather than towards fundamentalism- we were FAR more fundamentalist 60 years ago. I can’t even imagine how people seem to think we are going in that direction when we are clearly almost losing our ability to define common sense in order to seem “reasonable” even to people with baselessly loony views. Having a position does not mean that position has merit… no if anything we need far more fundamentalism governing- especially on issues of sovereignty –fundamentalism is just the opposite of anarchy- neither are good in extremes, but you need to have balanced elements of each to maintain a society in a manner that lets it survive on the one hand and doesn’t let it slip into fascism on the other...we are currently leaning too far towards the anarchy end of the scale currently. Cheers.
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As I clearly pointed out I haven’t protested at all. But at least your batting 500 given the appropriate screen name, because given that my words were clear in the first place, and that you now needed a second post pointing out the obvious…you hjave shown that you are indeed stooopider.
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Oh I forgot to mention. Sanctioning Torture? Huh? I’m sorry, but that’s another propaganda tool of the media- let’s not change the meaning of words to make a point. You want torture- let Saddam get a hold of you. Some loud music and chilly asses ain’t torture- by ANY stretch of the imagination. Also conservatives have a great sense of humor about these issues- you just don’t see it over there because it tends to be placed on Radio more than TV (though CNN now has a conservative who uses some humor in his show).
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I saw the trailer last night at The Departed. Everyone in the theater literally laughed and commented at how bad it looked after it was over. I wasn't impressed by it at all and I would much rather see Gates of Fire on the screen because at least the spartans will be wearing their armor... the movie will bomb.
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I appriciate a reasoned rebutal, even if I dont see eye to eye with you on the Geneva Convention. I cant argue with the semantics of the convention, but I react more to what actively foregoing on it implies. There are people in Gitmo who have been there for years and will never have a trail or possibly get released. Theyve now started sucide pacts to end it. In Europe we have the European Convention on Human Rights. A very PC bit of legislation, but sometimes you can be reminded of what happens when a government has ultimate power with no checks and balances [Senate and Congress, yeah really?] And your presidents veto of stem cell research, and comments on being on a mission from God scare us all to hell. And as for Fox, (I know you will say I am just quoting Jon Stewart but I am sure that the Daily Show does not show doctored clips), during the Mark Foley coverage Fox started a debate how the Democrats had done this before, then they showed footage of Foley and they changed his party to "D". And Cheney has stated any room he visits must have the TV news on Fox only. Only one opinion of any event will give you a skewed view. Thats what worrys me about the power of your news media. Cheers
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A few good topics in your response: I understand the concern about no timeline/no trial prisoners like in Gitmo- but it has always been this way in war. Remember these are not civilian criminals- and whenever POW’s have been taken in the past, their holding period was usually defined as “when the war is over”. Now that admittedly leads to a unique situation here since we are not in a declared war with a specific nation (not that these ever end on a schedule, but they at least seem more limited by their nature). But even by Geneva, the holding rules don’t change. What changes under Geneva, is that we are only allowed to get name rank, & # from the prisoner (there may be other stipulations I am not remembering right now and am too lazy to re-read)- but with a Non Geneva prisoner, we can use harsher interrogation techniques. That is the main difference- and I am ALL FOR harsher interrogations on terrorists. Unlike Geneva signatories, these do not even pretend to fight by any rule of war- indeed they do the exact opposite and inflict maximum innocent civilian casualties and hide among & target women and children. Having a harsher enemy necessities harsher proactive meathods. This is unfortunate, but a reality as we saw in WWII which degraded into a “total war” on all aspects of the enemy for survival. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t “like” when that happens, but when it does, we must protect ourselves first. I also don’t condone true torture- and I don’t think you would disagree with loud music, making a terrorist too cold, or lack sleep in order to get future civilian targets from him. Where you and I probably disagree is that I would also waterboard his ass as well (now unfortunately banned in the US by the Republican Senate-which was an unfortunate “check” on the House and President in this case – our senate has also checked the House on MAJOR proposals this year, including immigration law, detainees and taxes – and our supreme court has also checked the president on wire tapping and some aspects of Gitmo- so there is a true check and balance over here even when one party has all elected branches of government). ------ ----- On Stem cell research- this is a political/media issue more than a substantive one. The president indicates human development begins at conception- the liberals like to play the religion aspect of this, but SCIENTIFICALLY he is actually correct as well – so I have no problem with him vetoing this research- but you should note he did not BAN the research- he just vetoed government FUNDING of the research… really an overstated issue since our big drug and medical companies do this all by themselves on most research anyway- I mean if this is really going to lead to miracle cures… no company is going to stop researching it just because they aren’t getting some corporate welfare to help them out (another nice side benefit of capitalism) -- - ----- Bush on a mission from god? I have heard him say a lot- but never that one. Where did you hear that? ---- ----- I’ll grant you the Jon Stewart “D” clip- I don’t discount a point just because of its source (unless the source is the type that lies in which case I research it) – I would chalk that one up to an error- I have watched a lot of Fox’s coverage on this, and they are very clear that Foley is a Republican- the political fallout is actually their main point- so purposely calling him a Dem would make their newscasts make no sense. ---- On the Dems doing this before Fox is 100% correct to go over this – the Dems are acting outraged that Foley sent IMs to a page (and that’s it) and act like this is a high crime that should destroy the republicans (who actively requested a police investigation and ousted Foley) conversely when a Dem ACTUALLY HAD SEX with an underage paige and they were in power- they Censured him (whoop dee doo), let him keep his job, and after he (rather unapologetically) made comments on the floor the Dems GAVE HIM A STANDING OVATION- and some of the Dems currently “outraged” later voted him into a powerful committee seat. Fox’s point is that the Dem “outrage” is clearly a political in nature- as proven by their actions in when the shoe is on the other foot (and the crime is WORSE). Bottom line- The Republicans are hard on their members who act in appropriately in this regard- the Dems protect theirs. The lib end of our media conveniently leaves that stuff on the cutting room floor. ---- ---- On the power of media, you and I agree in concept- and before there was a Fox- all our national televised medial leaned left- so you should applaud Fox- they are the counter media that was SORELY needed here- and in much of the world actually. As to Cheney asking for Fox- the channel criticizes him when appropriate, so that doesn’t concern me much- but the fact that Clinton and other liberal Politicians are on record as demanding CNN be shown when they are present-and no one ever seemed too concerned about that… bewilders me. (An ex member of The Clinton team actually giggled that Clinton’s own inner circle called CNN the “Clinton News Network”). Anyway this is interesting Cheers again- and question – What country are you from?
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Dads a democrat Texan who grew up in 1950;s south. Didnt get many of those there. Anyway I only bitch because I care. Night :)
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'I note that Will Smith “dates” multiple races of women in his films.'
I really would like you find me an example of Will Smith having sexual relatiosn with a WHITE woman in a movie. Not hispanic, not Halle Berry, not Salma Hayek; a WHITE WASP chick; as white as that girl in 'Scrubs'. Because I'm racking my brains and I'm coming up with zilch. -
I thought you were probably from England. Not to begin a foreign policy debate on this, but Bush actually follows Churchill-ian Doctrine (actually put a picture of him in the Whitehouse when he 1st moved in). Do they teach you guys about Churchill over there (He must not go over well with the current/more liberal attitudes). Much of England’s people seem less favorable to proactive action than Blaire-and I have wondered that quite a bit- you guys lived the Churchill-Chamberlain debate in that nation, so I’m surprised it doesn’t resonate more (though maybe that’s why you are actually proactive compared to the rest of Europe)??? I think I mentioned “The Gathering Storm” earlier in this thread. I think its one of the most important books of the 20th century… Churchill was my favorite leader of the WWII era- and to your comment on the US saving Europe- I agree, but it seems the party that gets the least credit for their impact and bravery currently are the English. People can say what they want about Russia’s grinding contribution, but aside from The Battle of Britain over the English channel helping Hitler get kooky enough to attack the Ruskies in the Winter (which helped save their asses), England’s decimation of the Luftwaffe had a massive impact on the later stages of the war… The German- Russian conflict would have had a much different face had Hitler not been pressed into his panic/stupidity ridden fall/winter assault- and had he had the full force of the Luftwaffe with it’s aces still around when he did it …. Poland had a pretty massive army too- and they saw the results of fighting Hitler’s fully rounded war machine….the Ruskies were spared that harsh reality by the English.
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LOL- I didn’t see scrubs, so not sure what that is, But the women I was thinking of were: Tea’ Leone in Bad Boys (and I believe the “Masseuse” that Martin Lawrence kicked out was a hot white chick), Bridget Moynahan in I Robot (A brunette, but I don’t think hair color matters here), Linda Fiorentino Men in Black, Eva Mendez in Hitch (Hispanic yes, but she is a far cry from African American), Selma Hayek (same vein Wild Wild West)…I mean Damn now that I think about it black chicks might start getting pissed at him as he rarely co-stars with one as a girlfriend in his major movies…. They’d probably out right kick his ass if Shark tale weren’t a cartoon.
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Well at least when you post like the complete retard you are, you save me from having to actually form a rebuttal to your inane ramblings. If you are the poop stick that Dems hold up as a constituent, you are a poster boy example of why anyone who isn’t semi retarded should vote “R”...really dude you are a fucking cartoon...now jump up and down and throw more verbal poop like a little monkey... Yack and jump, yack and jump... (Watch he's gonna do it, the lower animals can't control themselves).
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then you are old and out of touch and don't know what a video game looks like. I'm as old as A New Hope, which isn't particularly young or old. But c'mon. You don't know what you're talking about. And shouting somehow equals lousy acting? About 75% of the dialogue in The Departed is shouted.
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co-stars:girlfriends, love interests, spouses: Made In America, Bad Boys, Independence Day, Enemy of the State, Ali. And Fresh Prince of Belair.
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Eva Mendez is Latino, but there are many African American women who look like her (or are even lighter). Unfortunately, for a long time those with that look were the few who got good roles. Consider certain African American sororities where the complexions range from dark to light, bright and almost white.
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How about everything is ahouted because it's a fucking MOVIE TRAILER. Fact: With the possible exception of romantic comedies, 90 percent of the dialogue in movie trailers is either A.) shouted, or B.) whispered. Sometimes, just to mix it up, a trailer will have both (example: horror flicks). That's because the people marketing the movie want to convey how high the stakes are... Therefore, you cherry-pick cheesy, oft-repeated lines like "We've got to stop them!", or, "This is our last chance!". Quotes like that, though featured in the film's previews, may or may not be indicative of quality of the performances/script. SO FUCK OFF, WHINERS AND HATERS. It's the preview for a WAR movie... there's gonna be lotsa yelling.
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How about everything is shouted because it's a fucking MOVIE TRAILER. Fact: With the possible exception of romantic comedies, 90 percent of the dialogue in movie trailers is either A.) shouted, or B.) whispered. Sometimes, just to mix it up, a trailer will have both (example: horror flicks). That's because the people marketing the movie want to convey how high the stakes are... Therefore, you cherry-pick cheesy, oft-repeated lines like "We've got to stop them!", or, "This is our last chance!". Quotes like that, though featured in the film's previews, may or may not be indicative of quality of the performances/script. SO FUCK OFF, WHINERS AND HATERS. It's the preview for a WAR movie... there's gonna be lotsa yelling.
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Haven't been here in awhile, not used to the new digs.
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Crazy I am not talking about Will’s love interests or TV career (and I didn’t bring up the Hollywood movie subject- mine was a response). Also Bad boys was Tea- Leone- she is white. Bad Boys 2 yes, she was African American- Enemy of the State- now you have 2, but even then the sexiest scene in that movie was still between Will and a bunch of white chicks in Lingerie. Ali…ok that’s 3, but seeing as that was a biography its not like there was much choice there…Pamela Anderson or Sophie Marceau cold not have gotten that role…. my point was that he has plenty of non –African American interests in movies… the fact that upon reflection they outnumbered the African American love interests was just an unexpected Bonus.
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Yeah Eva has shade to her skin- no darker than many Italian women, but OK… however, bottom line is if you painted her green, no one would describe her features as African American… and if she played say Martin Luther Kings wife or a slave from the 1800’s in a movie… I think people might make a comment or two about how out of place that would be… if she played an Italian chick… I doubt many comments would be made- so yeah, I stand by that statement….she’s far from African American.
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The point of that movie is that you cannot always tell by features. Which is my point. Moreover, there are "whites" who checked their ancestry and found out that they are otherwise. I, for one, believe in diversity and it comes in various forms.
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Problem is you are generalizing. By your argument there can be no affirmative action (which there shouldn’t as it clearly breaks equal employment opportunity laws and the equal protection clause of the constitution)….but by your argument, there can be no affirmative action, because no one knows what race anyone is anyways…. We are getting a bit off track though (which is partly my fault here) Point is not only is Eva not African American- and doesn’t look like she’s African American either… On a sidenote, “diversity” by its current implications is used as a bad thing…with reverse racism and glorification of every culture except the American culture…. what we should aspire to is healthy assimilation and “colorblindness” ie… Martin Luther King had it right in the first place… but once the “social engineers” got ahold of civil rights when he was gone…. aaaahhhh (I for one certainly wouldn’t drive on any bridge they engineered that’s for sure).
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IMHO affirmative action had noble intentions, but got twisted a bit in its execution. Here's how it was explained by one of my profs: it was initially designed to be a legal remedy for unconstitutional acts or wrongs done to African Americans (i.e. centuries of slavery, Jim Crow, grandfather clause, poll tax, and other denied rights). When a legal wrong is done, the aggrieved party is to be put back in the position they would have been in if the contract (i.e. the constitution) had been adhered to -- enter affirmative action...To get back on track, Eva IS Latino. I watch movies with different ethnicities because I like diversity and the varied cultural flavorings. When I, along with many friends and colleagues, use the term DIVERSITY, it means respect for all cultures, including American -which is made up of many such cultures and increasingly so...This is a TB about 300. Just as the ancient world had a cosmopolitanism about it, the way things are going, America and is becoming the same, and will have to embrace it in one form or another, along with the rest of the world, to a avoid a potentially mutually destructive clash of civilizations. You mentioned Dr. King. I'm sure that is what he would have loved to see.
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Yes, your prof is largely right about the beginnings of Affirmative action- problem is, in order to create affirmative action they broke the constitution again (the other way)- and continue to do so (and there will always be an argument to continue). It is a disaster that divides and is by constitutional language (if not the current absurd interpretation) illegal. It is also outright destructive as it creates a focal point for races to fight about- that’s the problem with social engineering- it creates more problems than it solves…. ---- On the culture note I also respect other cultures, I wouldn’t change that there are many in the world- it is fascinating to see all the aspects of human culture…. Problem is the greatest human cultures are Western Civilization. From human rights, to technology, to society (democracies and republics)…. And we are allowing only our culture to be eliminated by focusing on cultural diversity within it instead of assimilation –Western Europe is making the same stupid move. One of the early 20th century presidents had a great line about immigration- basically that all rights and respect should be given to an immigrant without prejudice- but provided they are here to BECOME Americans in every sense of the word…. (A paraphrase). Anyway I wouldn’t want to make every county on the planet exactly like the American culture… the world would be a blander place… but what would be far worse than that- is the reverse- drowning our culture- which is exactly what is happening.- and when this happens more, the probability for internal strife increases. You can already see the balkanization of the US by culture – and it is getting worse. Pure cultural diversity …doesn’t work. Assimilation- does. (On this front look at even mellow Canada- they just missed fracturing their nation in half within the decade over this).
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...greatest along with many others in history. Sumeria, Akkadia, Egypt, China, Persia, Mayan, Nubian (which conquered Egypt at one point) - these were great non-Western civilizations. I mentioned in the first 300 TB that the Greeks (as well as the Romans) saw themselves as a different race than the Nordic types, yet Nordic cultures have borrowed from them and now even claim Greece as their own. Caesar conquered the Brits in 55 BC, but the Brits later built their own empire. Prior to the British Empire, the non Western Moors rebuilt the first great city of Europe - Cordoba, Spain, while London had mud streets. Western generals/military leaders study the military arts of the North African general Hannibal and the Asian, Mongol leader Ghengis Khan. Gutenberg’s printing press was based on the Chinese printing blocks. Western mathematicians use the Mayan concept of zero. In other words throughout history, the later civilizations, especially the West, have borrowed the best of the prior ones.
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Sorry to keep on at this but the mention of Linda Fiorentino in Men in Black forces me to specify; I do not mean that Will Smith or any other black actor is never seen OPPOSITE a white actress, or chatting up a white actress, or being charming to a white actress. but that he is rarely seen in ADULT sexual relationships or in marital situations with one. How often do we see black actor waking up after sex with white women, and vice versa? I don't mean this pruriently, merely as a reflection of what undoubtedly happens to be in the world. PG children's movies really are not good enpough in this area; i know far too many happy interrracial couples in the US (midwest actually) to still not angry when i see nothing resembling the real world in the movies. The Othello thing is still alive and well in Hollywood. This racism is enforced fromm both sides, I hasten to add. Television viewing in America is totally segregated and there's nobody you can blame for that; blacks do NOT watch the same shows as whites. I just come from a UK based cultural background and there are a LOT of mixed marriages on TV here.
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Because they had the words Star Wars in the titles. You could film 2 dogs fucking, put the title sequence on it and make about $300 million. See you back here when 300 tops out around $40 million.
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I am not saying there were not other great cultures or conquerors…but the greatest Governmental, Social and technological systems have overwhelmingly been produced by the West. Rome and Greece are part of Western culture… China in particular had a great early technological culture… but the real point here is that we are allowing western culture to be submerged in favor of dim–witted multiculturalism… Other cultures do not largely embrace this self destructive concept, so they’ll no doubt hang around…. Our future appears a but dimmer and/or at least more conflict ridden.
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I don’t doubt it’s a bit more mixed in the UK, and I did see you were talking sex…. But in a lot of these movies, particularly Will Smiths- hes just not married at all- he’s the single action star… so that doesn’t really apply. And in Bad Boys in particular there was a pretty hot scene with Tea’ hitting on Martin Lawrence…anyway I’ll grant you that the UK may show this more… but the real world is I think represented in Hollywood (though it makes me sick to say that) in this regard… people tend to stick within their race, Hollywood shows divergence from that at times- but there no reason to force that into movies as some political statement when it is not all that common anyway…. not that it should be avoided- but the last thing I want to see is the continued trend that they have to count how many races/mixed couples are represented in a film/ commercial/ poster…or whatever- the quota thing is silly.
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I meant to say waking up with wife doesnt apply on the post above...sex does...
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Social and technological systems of the West would not be possible without those that preceded it. By the way, ancient Rome and Greece are on record as seeing themselves as different peoples and civilizations than their northerly neighbors. Even Teddy Roosevelt has written on this subject. Moreover, it’s not like civilization went from Greece and Rome directly to the rise of the modern West. There was something after the fall of Rome called the DARK AGES the 5th century AD to 13th,14th or 15th century, depending on the area of Europe. During that period great governmental, social and technological systems were advanced by the Moors, Christian Nubia, China, Ghana, Mali, Songhay. In their own right, they were prolific in economic organization and cities of learning. Even before Greece and Rome, Sumerians created the oldest known language. Prior to the Western concept of rule of law, Hammurabi developed his law code. Egypt developed astronomy, engineering, geometry and built pyramids. Before the social contract theory, ancient Hebrew prophets trumpeted the need for social justice. What we call the West, was able to build on these various developments, which were created by others. Granted, as an American, I’ll take the U.S. Constitution over any other form of government, but I am fully aware of those whose shoulders we are standing upon...To address you main point, the Ottoman Turks had a long lasting multicultural society, spanning 600 years. If they could do it under a caliphate, then we can do the same under the U.S. Constitution and democracy.
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I accept that that may be true. but if it is; it's sad and American. There are mixed race marriage and couples everywhere in the UK and France, and even in Ireland, a mere five years after the first immigrants really started to arrive; seeing African men with white girl-friends is common on the streets of Dublin.
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affect who he has sex with? The last time I looked; single men were having a lot more sex than married men.
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