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Massawyrm Reviews APOCALYPTO!!

Hola all. Massawyrm here.
You know, I absolutely hate that I can’t talk about this film without talking about the man. Even now people are skipping whatever it is I have to say about this film so they can proclaim their ardent opinion that Mel will never see another dime of their money. Or that he should die in a fire. Or whatever. And frankly, I could give a rats ass about all that. Who he is and what he believes only affects me if I ever have any kind of dealings with the guy. And come on, Mel's never gonna call up and say "Hey, Wyrm. Why don't you come over and we'll have a beer and watch the game." The likelihood of that happening is about the same as Keira Knightley calling up to offer me that blowjob I so richly deserve. Ain’t gonna fucking happen. So all I have to truly judge him by is the films he has to share with me. And as a filmmaker, the guy is incredible. One of the most fearless filmmakers working today, Gibson makes stunning historical epics that appeal to large audiences while making very risky decisions that many have felt would spell doom for his career. Everyone scoffed and laughed when he had to take $30 million of his own money to make the story of Christ in a dead language. I mean, really? Who the hell would actually watch that? Well, pretty much everybody. And while many people didn’t like it, it resonated with Christians of all faiths and sects. I for one was incredibly moved by it, and as a lifelong Christian I felt that not only did it truly drive home the story of Christ’s sacrifice, but it really did a great job of boiling down the most important of Christ’s teachings into one, definitive message. As Christians, we were accustomed to every version of Christ being that of a bearded guy with glowing white robes, shot through a hazy Olin Mills focus, that spoke like Mr. Rogers. But Gibson’s version was very down to earth, very authentic feeling and really gave you the impression of Christ’s human frailty. It was risky, even by Christian standards, but it worked – and there are a great many people who feel it is one of the finest films ever made. And yes, I freely admit that I am one of those people. So when it was announced that Gibson was doing another film, I didn’t care what it was about. I was simply ready to be one of the first in line to see it. And when it was announced that it was what we were to be seeing at the special screening last Saturday night, you bet your ass I was ready for it. And man oh man, was I glad I was. Apocalypto is amazing. Even in its unfinished form it is easily one of the best films of the year, if not the very best. Once again Gibson sets out to put you in another place and time, one which at first seems totally alien – only to brilliantly and quickly endear you to the people you’re following. Within the first 20 minutes of the film you absolutely identify with the tribesman and find quite a bit in common with them. And just as you are completely comfortable and at home with them, bad shit happens. And you feel it. From that point on the film is an emotional vice, as you watch the village you’ve fallen in love with ravaged and put through the wringer. And once the emotion has reached its crescendo, one man escapes and the last half of the film is a brutal, bloody chase film through the jungles of Mexico. And it’s pretty fucking amazing. Tense action sequences involving guerilla warfare, dangerous locales and plenty of improvised weapons. Easily as rough and bloody as Braveheart, this film doesn’t pull a single punch. The action hurts in the exact same way – never glorified and always illustrating the true horrors of war. Even projected digitally from their work edit, the cinematography showed through as beautiful and sweeping. I have no doubt in my mind that after color correction and a return to 35 that this is going to be one of the most magnificent looking films of the year. And the performances Gibson got out of an almost entirely novice cast is unbelievable. There is nothing about their work that says first time. Perhaps it’s simply the language barrier (which Gibson is smart enough to keep the dialog to a minimum) but even their physical performances are perfect and effecting. But as has been mentioned before, the film drags ever so slightly in the middle – although I’m not certain where it needs to be trimmed to speed it up, as everything that occurs at the drag is pretty essential stuff. It’s just slower than the rest of the film. And there’s one shot towards the end of the film that I hope to god goes. Everything else around it works like a charm, but that one single shot seems so goofy and comical that it takes you out of the film for a moment. It’s something that can be worked around and I’m hoping finds its way to the cutting room floor in a hurry. After the screening I brought it up and everyone groaned, seemingly having forgotten it but agreeing that it just didn’t belong. It’s not a shot that will kill the film for everyone, but it is one that will be joked about for quite some time. I am dying to see this cleaned up and in its final form. Forsaking the usual classical score for a tribal only soundtrack has me chomping at the bit just to hear it – and I simply cannot wait to see the digital work on the Mayan cities during the eclipse (that’s those gorgeous shots we’ve all seen of the Priest standing atop the pyramid at what looks like night.) But I’ve seen many a work print in my life, and none has truly impressed me to the level this did. Everything seems to be coming together into what could be the single greatest movie of the year. And yeah, sure Mel’s gonna get fucked at the Oscars this year. Like that’s new. He’s got his Oscar. This film is gonna be a critical darling for those who look at the film instead of the man behind it, and it’s gonna be one that geeks fall all over themselves over. I mean, it’s a Mayan adventure film, a chase movie. But one that focuses more on story and emotion than it does on cheap thrills. If there’s a better movie coming out this year, then I’m in fucking heaven, and you’ll hear no complaints outta me. Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em. I know I will.
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  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by mattb127


  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by Valebant

    Looking forward to this film.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST


    by gutsy


  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    First sucks

    by MrD

    Hope the movie doesn't.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Nice review.

    by El Scorcho

    Very, very nice.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by El Scorcho

    you're the reason I saw Shaggy Dog, so I really can't trust you anymore.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Mel, I don't care

    by decypher44

    This movie sounds amazing. I can't wait!

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:56 a.m. CST

    By all accounts, Orson Welles was a douchebag too

    by Garbageman33

    Which doesn't stop people from appreciating his work. I don't think Mel Gibson will get a fair shake any time soon. Or maybe he has gotten a fair shake and he actually IS a gigantic douche. In either case, it'll be history that judges him.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, noon CST

    It's hell bein Mel


    I sure hope the movie going public puts their opinions aside- it would suck to see this (a good film) suffer because of a well-publicized blunder. Now bring on a fourth Mad Max!

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Hey, Massa...

    by killduhbassud

    I'm glad to see you touting the movie and not the man. Good example to be setting. We get so few good flicks these days, I barely care about the lives of the makers unless they factor directly into the pic. Oh, and all the talkback bitches wif dey Massa hating, get some. Your reviews are about the only ones I can wade through anymore, well, yours and Vern's. Vern's a freakin' genius. Anyways, keep up the good work.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by Airship

    Thanks, Massa. Finally, a lifelong Christian is upfront about his love of sodomy...or at least face fucking people with a 12-year-old boys chest

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Movie of the year

    by SenatorNado

    Well, for me, this is a definite movie of the year. Not that I've seen it, but it's the only "studio/big budget" picture (besides maybe - and you may kill me for it - CASINO ROYALE) I've been looking forward to. My favorite film last year was THE PROPOSITION... and I have a feeling this film will give me similar thrills, depicting a violent world where death ain't a Bob Rodriguez gimmick, but a gut wrenching, heart burning, retina tearing atrocity. Respect for Mel Gibson's audacity.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    But is it Communist?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Wyrm, you said what Mel believes only affects you if you ever have any kind of dealings with the guy, which you said you don't. Umm...what do you call paying to see one of his movies? Filmmakers tend to put a bit of theirselves in their movies, especially Mel Gibson as you know, so I don't buy that argument. Anyway I'll probably rent this.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    instead of seeing this movie and giving a know right-wing anti-Semitic , Christian nutbag more money, you all could read "Collapse" by Jared Diamond.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    love the delay on posts, now four idiots can say first

    by reckni


  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST


    by Bubba Gillman see if the studio ad campaign downplays Mel's involvement as we close in on the release date. Sort of like the ads for Scoop declaring "from the director of Match Point" without ever mentioning Woody Allen's name.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Mel will survive this and thrive.

    by Borgnine JR

    As they say in politics,"The only thing a man can't survive is getting caught with a dead woman or a live boy."

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Mel will survive this and thrive.

    by Borgnine JR

    As they say in politics,"The only thing a man can't survive is getting caught with a dead woman or a live boy."

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    He is bigger than the movie

    by godzillasushi

    which is sucky.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Hollywood, and LA in general, have always protected

    by Mister Man

    their "stars." Sure, some slipped through the cracks in the past one-hundred years, but if we knew half of what has gone on in that town, Mel Gibson's arrest would appear quite tame. I like Mel Gibson, and his films. I'm sorry so many people feel the need to apologize for anything positive said about him. We've allowed the media megamonster to turn us all into moronic, spineless cowards, who make simplistic moral judgments in black and white.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I'm excited!

    by Johnno

    I still bet we can expect a bunch of people to go to the movie in order to deeply analyze it for any vague reference to Anti-Semitism. You know this to be true...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    I'm excited!

    by Johnno

    I still bet we can expect a bunch of people to go to the movie in order to deeply analyze it for any vague reference to Anti-Semitism. You know this to be true...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Amen, Mr. Wyrm

    by BirdMcMonster

    The guy knows how to make movies. I'm payin.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 1 p.m. CST

    Can't wait for this movie

    by slone13

    Good review, Wormy

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Sounds outstanding.

    by Borgnine JR

    Today's review is not so wordy,Wormy.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    why is mel demonized while

    by LordTwinkie

    someone like Roman Polanski who sexually assaults a 13 year old gets treated like a hero in hollywood and wins oscars. Honestly though I've been drunk and said some crazy stuff, I'm sure many of you have been drunk and said stuff you didn't mean, wouldn't normally say, or hell even remember saying in the first place.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST

    Blurring the Lines

    by Captain Mal

    I don't understand the inability to distinguish between the art and the artist. If we shunned the work of every asshole or lunatic out there, we'd have very little art to enjoy, and almost zero *good* art. If you don't like Mel's movies, don't watch 'em. If you don't like Mel personally, don't hang out with him. But if you don't watch his movies because you don't like him personally, well, that's just silly.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this, but...

    by Prankster

    "The Passion" one of the best movies ever made?!? It's not even in the top ten of movies about Jesus! It boils down his philosophy? How? "Watch me getting tortured?" It's not a bad film by any means, but it basically reduces the life of Christ to a glossy action flick. People only say they like it (or hate it) to "send a message". The film itself is utterly empty, except inasmuch as it references to one of the most powerful (in every sense) schools of thought in human history. I enjoyed Braveheart on the level of a dumb action flick, and if the hype had made it possible, I would have done the same for TPOTC. I'm looking forward to enjoying Apocalypto on the same level. But let's not try to argue that Mel makes "important" films. He's simply a throwback to the days when blockbuster action movies could be unusual and experimental. But that's all they are: blockbuster action films.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, I don't know . . ..

    by lavaboat

    Not sure I can trust any review where the reviewer proclaims lifelong Christian status a mere paragraph after speaking of much deserved blowjob. Something not right about it. Should be at least three or four paragraphs later. Or maybe you could put about three or four million ellipses between those two ideas. Thanks. Penway

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Apocolypto II: The Fire At Reichstag

    by The Ender

    Bwa haha

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Massa: How many beers did Mel have when you saw him?

    by brycemonkey

    Reports are that he was partying like the madman he is while in Texas. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just like celebrity gossip is all. Did you buy him a bud and contribute to his falling off the wagon?

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST


    by Massawyrm 1

    Wait, since when are Christians not allowed to like Blowjobs?

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    In my country there is problem...

    by aceattorney

    Throw the Apocalypto downthe well!

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:53 p.m. CST


    by Captain Mal

    I get what you're saying, but I don't agree. You're not paying the studio to hire good people, you're paying the studio to create good movies. And if Mel profits directly on the back end (a likely scenario), you're not paying him to be a good person, you're paying him to make good movies.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Bryce, the only time Mel and I talked

    by Massawyrm 1

    was when I asked him a question in the Q&A. And he was Drinking Red Bull at the movie. Outside of that I have no clue.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST

    So richly deserve....

    by staticneuron

    Has to be the funniest thing I have read in a long time. Great analogy. I think this movie looks great. I do not care what kind of idiot Mel gibson may, or may not, turn out to be. I really enjoyed Mission impossible 3 because i had the ability to see tom cruise as ethan hunt.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST

    The Passion? Inspirational?

    by CTU Mole

    I saw a guy get tortured to death with no context to speak of. A film shouldn't have required reading to get it, even if its the Bible. Having said that, I don't think the film was anti-Semetic. As for the director's personal life, any of you guys see either of the Jeepers Creepers films? Then you've supported a convicted pedophile who made a 12 year old boy blow him on camera. That kind of puts Mel's drunken rantings in perspective, I think.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Hey, Massawyrm

    by ryanislyin

    You can't enjoy 'em because you psychos impeached Clinton on that whole "moral highground" bullshit. And yes, I called you a psycho, psycho.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the (diplomatic) answer Massa.

    by brycemonkey

    You should turn him on to the Dr. Pepper! ;-)

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:15 p.m. CST

    why do so many rag on Polanski?

    by Exeter

    maybe he's gone a little batty becauses oh, i don't know, his childhood in poland under the nazis and that little incident in 1969 with his pregnant wife? people hello?

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a rental.

    by rbatty024

    Kudos to Gibson for putting money behind films that otherwise would not be made (both Apocalypto and Passion). Too bad they were directed by Mel Gibson. The Passion was melodramatic shite that replaced characterization with gore. Apocalypto is a neat idea, but I never really liked Gibson as a director, even Braveheart was too over-the-top (and historically atrocious). He should become a permanent producer and take risks on more talented director's work.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Massawyrm, not everyone reading this is a Christian.,

    by AnnoyYou

    So don't use the all-encompassing "As Christians" in a review. That said, Gibson's anti-Semitic ass won't see a dime of my money ever again, no matter if his films end up curing cancer. I don't give a shit how great his "art" is -- he's a disgusting human being (for all his vaunted, saintly "Christianity") and I won't support him in any way. Oh, and in the future he might want to remember that Jesus lived and died a Jew. Dickhead.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    I've said racist stuff too...

    by Johnno

    It was a spurt of the moment too towards this guy who was annoying the hell out of me for a while at the time just for laughs, and I was sputtering around reaching for something to say that would be as insulting as possible. I felt pretty bad immediatedly afterwards, and I was sober... It just happens... Apparently I heard Mel donated a kidney to a rabbi, don't know if the story is true or whatever, just that's what I heard, and this was sometime after the drunk incident. The man's wife apaprently said that Gibson is lucky they didn't demand both his kidneys... So well if this story is so, then that's a hell of a way to make it up, don't you think?

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Just chill there Massa . . . . . . .

    by lavaboat

    It was just an odd juxtopostion of thoughts, that's all. Imagine cracking open a Mother Teresa biography and the foreward is all about this cool new sport called bumfighting.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST


    by Massawyrm 1 better watch yourself, Mother Theresa (aka - One Eyd Terri) was the best Bumfighter to ever live, may she rest in piece. ;)

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Lethal Weapon 5 isn't on the cards anytime soon then !

    by barnaby jones

    shame *sniff*

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST


    by jackinitraw

    You're a fucking idiot. I'll see this twice so you not going means both jack and shit. Sorry about your luck. Mel Gibson is being targeted and everyone sees it so take your agenda and fuck right off. I'm not a Christian. I'm not even baptised. I'm a third party impartial observer who doesn't appreciate people attempting to manipulate him.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Oh and I also heard that kidney rumour

    by jackinitraw two people hearing it by Hollywood bias standards makes it a fact. I also read about this one time when he saved a Jewish guy from a raging gang of mid western frat guys on a bus on the highway and it was filmed. They put it in Borat but they edited Mel out with CGI and a droodle.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Nice review

    by Mechasheeva

    But I disagree that "Passion" exemplified Christian beliefs and values. It made you feel Christ's pain, not Christ's love, which is the important aspect of the story. I guess you need the pain to show the love, but all Gibson did was focus on the violence, and it became completely meaningless after awhile. That said, Apocalypto looks great and I'll see it. I believe my money supports the art the man is making, not the man's drinking and anti-Jew tendencies.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    But does Mel make a whacked-out bearded cameo?

    by SPECTRE Agent

    That would be trippy.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    People honestly care about a director's personal life?

    by The Dum Guy

    If Hitler made a good movie, I'd watch it. Triumph of the Will was one film I had to see for a film class, and many people consider it a fine example of propagand, I didn't like it but I watched it. I personally don't care what Lnni Riefenstahl's politcal/religious/sexual views are to her personally, I only cared about how she set-up shots. It's like nowdays no-one gives a shit about Walt Disney's antisemetic views, but almost everyone went out and saw Pirates 2.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    A filmmaker's views are important when they affect...

    by rbatty024

    his movies. Many said that The Passion was anti-semetic, and that seems like an incredibly apt assessment given Gibson's tirade. If his films had nothing to do with his personal life, and vice-versa, then no problem. However, since his personal life has seeped into his films, then it's legitimate to bring it up.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by quadrupletree

    I was skipping ahead to see if you have a new avatar yet. And the chances of him having a beer with you are even slimmer now that he's in rehab...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Apocolypto III : Return Of The Third Reich

    by The Ender

    A trilogy would be awesome

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Mean directors

    by TheTalentedMrBond

    Hitchock could be a son of a bitch, also. After Kim Novak initially refused to wear grey, he made sure all her costumes were ridiculously and painfully tight. That being said, I think Mel is an idiot, but isn't going to keep me from watching this film. It will be a entertaining costume drama (sans clothes?) at the least.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Thanks so much, Massawrym!

    by viola123

    That was another great review and has only made me more excited to see this film - if that were possible. It's definitely on my must-see list and I don't think I will be disappointed. This and "The Departed" has me cheering!! :)

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    I stopped reading when...

    by crackerfarmboy

    Masswyrm praised "The Passion". How anyone could praise that historically inaccurate, guilt ridden, piece of horse shit propaganda is beyond me. I will admit though that I am interested in this film though. Even if Mel Gibson is completely out of his mind (South Park's "The Passion of the Jew" most accurately portrays this looney toon IMHO).

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Boo, Mel

    by blackwood

    Yay, cinematography.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    I respect just about any religon...

    by 9SilentNine9

    but I feel a great swell of pity for any Christian that was "moved" by Passion of the Christ. I also fail to see the need to even mention it in this review, Massa. I feel bad that it moved you, though. Consider yourself conned. The Passion was unquestionably a cash cow. While filmed well it holds on very loosley to what the Bible states. Good old Mel exploiting his own religion. Hell, the guy's a brilliant businessman I'll give him that much. And, Massa... I'm never all too fond of your reviews, but you should look into writing. Seriously dude. If you can write a novel for each review imagine what you could do with a creative idea. Think about, good sir.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Apocolypto IV: The Final Solution

    by The Ender

    AHAHAHAHAH! All Right I admit it, I'm going to see this movie. It actually looks good.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Leni Riefenstahl made good movies too

    by c4andmore


  • Oct. 4, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Orson was NOT a douchebag "by all accounts"

    by Trimtab

    I don't think you know the meaning of that expression. He was not a mean bastard by all accounts. Whom exactly described him as a douchebag? Hell, even Fritz Lang had people who thought well of him. Leave ol' hamster cheeks alone, alright? Oh, and and artist should not be judged by what he /she does in her personal life. If so, we would not have most of the art around us (not that it would matter to most of the country).

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST

    A retard am I mattw?

    by Johnno

    Well a 'Fuck you' to you too sir. It's a story I heard from somewhere and I want to know, is it true? Didn't I state I wasn't sure? I'd like to know... Now in plain words, tell me that he story is a hoax, it's not hard!Inform me...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by 9SilentNine9

    I have seen the movie. It was filmed well, as I had stated previously. But it is what it is... exploitation. As far as an "uninformed, agenda-filled attack on Mel". You'll find that I don not speak when I am "uninformed". And despite my opinion on Passion and Mr. Gibson's recent behavior... I will see Apocolypto. I really could care less how a director lives their personal or about their personal opinions for that matter. And it's good to know that a person such as youself starts making accusations of someone's "honest opinion" just because they do not agree with them. I do hereby apologize, SexyBack, for thinking differently than you. But I cannot promise that it won't happen again. You know... it's so odd to me that when people critisize Passion they always have to be anti-Christian, etc. Like people have no choice but to like it. Well people do have that choice, and I do not like it. Call we what you will, but it will then be yourself who is making the "uninformed, agenda-filled attacks"

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Thank you mattw

    by Johnno

    I kinda skipped that site on the google search because it was called 'Conspiracy Planet' and people tend not to count some of those as reliable. Other sites didn't indicate it clearly as humor. So again, thanks and STFU, with all due respect...

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST


    by KillingJoke

    You'll have to excuse them, they're used to speaking/typing in authentic Mayan Yucatan

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 5:27 a.m. CST

    I wish I could quit you, Mel

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Not really. Honestly, I don't get some of you fanboys. These talkbacks thrive on sexist comments and all kinds of gay double entendre, but Mel's "anti-Semitism" is where you draw the line: strap him on an ass and drive him into the desert, why don't cha? Keep your 8 bucks, fine, but bend over and smile as you send your tax money to the UN, the planet's fucking Anti-Semite University. Iran's president is developing nukes to erase Israel, but that's cool, 'cause he hates Bush. Just about all of Europe is anti-Semitic and proud of it, at least according to the polls. But Mel's transgression cannot be forgiven. Is it because he made a movie that appealed to evangelicals? Is that what pissed you off? But then he slagged Bush... oh, what to do? Look, I think what he said was stupid, but damn... why does Mel (who did apologize) alone have to take the brunt of your righteous fury? Spread it around, folks. There's plenty of real live armed-and-dangerous anti-Semitism out there that could use your attention. If you actually cared.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST

    Jackson (michael), Cruise (tom) and now Gibson (mel)

    by Talkbacker with no name

    Is there any great living genius's you lot don't hate? ...or any shitty tabloid you won't believe for that matter? I think you only like Crowe because he beats people up with phones! ...yeah me too

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 7:16 a.m. CST

    I want to apologize for my last post

    by BannedOnTheRun

    I was drunk when I wrote it. Seriously, I thought I overdid it. But now I just read the post immediately below it, and damn. If you see Mel's new movie, you're contributing to the next Holocaust. I'd like to order the super-sized motherfucking break with a side order of what the fuck planet is this? Islamists, not the greatest friend of the Jews by the way, knock down the Twin Towers, but Bushitler let it happen 'cause he's worse than Hitler and only cares about oil (at least I think that's Danny Glover's new line, when he's sober). That behavior can be explained away and the blame pointed as us. But Mel... now THAT's going too far. I absolutely do not understand why so many are drawing the line here. Except that's it's a really easy place to draw the line and sound compassionate without having to deal with the actual issues in the world outside the movie theater. Don't buy a movie ticket...big fucking sacrifice there. Let me engrave your name in the "I didn't buy a ticket to Apocalypto" memorial.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    My favorite TB line: Mel "Sugartits" Gibson

    by brycemonkey

    Credit where credit is due anchorite... Oh, btw have you seen or heard from Doc Pazuzu? Did he get banned or is he 'away'?

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Very excited about the movie

    by revam

    Can't wait to see it!

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    actually anchorite and mattw...

    by 9SilentNine9

    Not giving a shit about Mel Gibson's personal life has nothing to do with condoning the Holocaust. Achorite you are blowing things out of proportion as usual... but it is always a bit refeshing to read you propaganda... one of these days you'll get it right... you're getting closer each post. Keep it up. :)

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    re mattw

    by 9SilentNine9

    Good job completely twisting my words to suit you equally twisted assumptions. So let me ask you this... if I don't give a shit about apples... does that mean that I hate oranges? Apparently by your logic it does. Congratulations on the not-so-clever attempt at polictial spin. Study George Bush more than you already probably do and perhaps one day in the far future you'll perfect it. I'm afraid you're goining to have to find something far more sensical to consume then regurgitate in this forum for me to take any stock in it.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Let me make this very clear.

    by 9SilentNine9

    REGARDLESS of someone's feelings pertaining to Mel Gibson as a person. You could in no way logically determine said individuals feelings toward Jews or the Holocaust. Prove me wrong.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I hope the laughable shot towards the end..

    by Sir HickoryBeans McCrackin

    is a close-up of the main character wiping his ass with a leaf. that's right. you were all thinking it. i said it.

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 12:54 a.m. CST


    by revam

    I've loved everything Mel's done so far so I'm excited for this!

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Wow Anchorite.

    by Massawyrm 1

    I'm responsible for the next Holocaust? Man, and here my mom always said I wouldn't amount to nothin'.

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Great Review Thanks!

    by cornolio55

    How come I missed this page? AICN front page moves wayyy too fast. I just saw this posted on another board today! Anyway, I loved the trailer so this seems coolness!

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I agree with anchorite

    by The_Great_Skeeve

    If someone says some drunken words to someone else while being arrested that happen to be offensive, we have no choice but to destroy that person in every and any way possible. If you don't, then you might as well be commiting genocide. This is clearly true in this case because you see, Mel Gibson is in exactly the same sort of position that Hitler was in. He has an entire nations military might under his control. It's the same thing people! 'Guy who said something near a car' = Hitler. If you don't really really care deep down what 'guy who said something' said, then you are blindly heading down the path to another Holocaust. You have a duty to do something about it.... I'm not sure what you could do besides make rediculous comparisons on movie talkbacks but damnit that is something!! Of course, like Anchorite, I am free of all flaws and enjoy the view from atop my high horse.

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I agree with anchorite

    by The_Great_Skeeve

    If someone says some drunken words to someone else while being arrested that happen to be offensive, we have no choice but to destroy that person in every and any way possible. If you don't, then you might as well be commiting genocide. This is clearly true in this case because you see, Mel Gibson is in exactly the same sort of position that Hitler was in. He has an entire nations military might under his control. It's the same thing people! 'Guy who said something near a car' = Hitler. If you don't really really care deep down what 'guy who said something' said, then you are blindly heading down the path to another Holocaust. You have a duty to do something about it.... I'm not sure what you could do besides make rediculous comparisons on movie talkbacks but damnit that is something!! Of course, like Anchorite, I am free of all flaws and enjoy the view from atop my high horse.

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST


    by Massawyrm 1

    Dude, that is one slippery slope you are standing on. By taking my words as absolutes and adding extra meaning to them has forced you to slide so far down the slope that it's not even funny. Comparing someone's 'beliefs' to their 'actions' is a big leap in logic. If Mel were out their killing people in line with what he said, you'd probably hear a completely different tune from me. If Mel's movie were about the beliefs people are claiming he holds, then you'd hear a very different tune out of me. But What you're comparing is what a drunk guy said to a pair of cops on an abandoned road to the extermination of millions of people. And there's at the very least a couple dozen degrees of seperation from those two ideas. You're argument is not only deliberately insulting to me and to Gibson, but inadvertantly offensive to the millions who died in the Holocaust as you use their deaths as a rationale to insult someone you just don't like. My argument was entirely about the appreciation of art - not about the allowance of Genocide, and I think it's about time you step back, take a look at the argument and realize just how far off the ledge you are there Wile E. Coyote.

  • Oct. 6, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST

    Ha ha.

    by 9SilentNine9

    Well said Massawyrm. And since Rick Santorum did it.. I'm gonna make up my own terminology for somone and call anchorite a Hebrew-fascist. Keep spinning anchorite... are you feeling dizzy yet?

  • Oct. 7, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Although Massawyrm and I...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...have had our differences regarding Leni Riefenstahl, I have to side with him on this matter. I don't deny that anchorite has a point, since the Nazi holocaust, Serbia's ethnic cleansing and the Rwandan genocide didn't materialize in a cultural vacuum, but he (once again) shoots himself in the foot by virtually eliminating all the steps required to complete the bridge between growing ethnic slander in everyday culture and full on mass murder. Yes, these atrocities could be said to have had their starting point in a gradual acceptance in culture of prejudice, but that doesn't mean that increased prejudice automatically results in the death of millions. Anchorite had the chance to make a solid, valid point here but chose to go the alarmist route and turn the matter into what sounds like a social or behavioral law of sorts. Does this mean we should tolerate shit like the things Mel "white line nightmare" Gibson said? No, of course not. If you wouldn't accept hearing shit like that about Jews, blacks, Muslims, Koreans, Gypsies, Innuits or anyone else from Joe Blow down the street, then special exceptions shouldn't be made for celebs. But anchorite, you're not doing anyone any favors by reducing the harm Gibbo's statements may have caused to the equivalent of Insta-Extermo (just add liqour). In fact, thanks to your reasoning alone, any real points about the harm he may have caused can't be brought up in this talkback anymore -- not that a talkback is important, but the discussions here often mirror public discourse on a larger scale. And to all you dopes who say "c'mon, who hasn't said racist things when they're drunk?": fuck off. I've been totally shitfaced more times than I care to remember over the years -- and I mean completely fucked up -- done incredibly stupid shit, spent hours with my head over a toilet bowl and temporarily lost the ability to walk and talk a few times, but I have never in my life ever said anything even vaguely racist or prejudiced while intoxicated. Anyone who HAS said things like that while drunk has real issues with the matter even if they choose not to believe it while sober.