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A couple more actors team up with FANTASTIC FOUR and the Silver Surfer!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. FANTASTIC FOUR sucked. Anybody that wants a solid example of what a big budget shitty super hero movie looks like need look no further. It makes you appreciate what HULK and DAREDEVIL did right. It made me wish I was watching the $1 million Roger Corman movie instead. I really hated that movie. But I'll be like any other sucker, seeing this new one just because I was fascinated by the character of Silver Surfer as a kid and I want to see how they pull it off. I also heard recently that Tom Rothman mentioned Galactus appearing, which will be bizarre, to say the least. It's all in Tim Story's hands, though, so I'll probably be disappointed.

Anyway, the news is that Andre Braugher and Beau Garrett have been cast in the flick, Braugher playing a General hunting down the Surfer and Garrett playing the scientist love interest for the Human Torch, Frankie Raye. I have nothing against these two, but I don't love 'em either, so their inclusion doesn't push me one way or the other. I'm interested in seeing Weta work with Doug Jones on Surfer. That's about it.

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  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    ha ha

    by quadrupletree

    not first

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Don't give 'em your money.

    by Captain Mal

    It only encourages them.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    A general hunting down the surfer?

    by Childe Roland

    I know that Surfman and the Hulk did some time in the Defenders together, but that doesn't mean the Surfer can just copy all of Hulk's gimmicks for his big-screen debut. Next thing you know, ol' Surfs will be fighting silver-plated canines or some such.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four

    by Cougar17

    Sucked balls...I doubt part 2 will be any different.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Andre Brougher should play Galactus

    by JonQuixote

    Or at least do the voice.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Andre Braugher

    by Virtual Satyr

    Him being cast in this fleak offers a small beacon of hope.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Andre Braugher in FF is old news

    by stlfilmwire

    This is really old news, man.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Guaranteed to suck.

    by Karl Childers

    Still, I'll go see it.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Two Face has been cast in THE DARK KNIGHT

    by Bean_

    That's bigger news than this shitty movie.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    hate to be the one who bitches about it

    by oisin5199

    but Braugher was cast a month ago or something like that. This is hardly news.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Andre Braugher

    by holidill

    Andre Braugher is awesome. He will add some much needed oomph to the movie. By the way who is Two Face and where did you read that?

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Wow, 2 people I don't care about.

    by brycemonkey

    And they're in a movie I don't care about! Whoop-de-doo!!!!

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    I liked the Hulk

    by godzillasushi

    FF2 is the only train wreck bigger than you know what....*whispers* (transformers)

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Two Face Wasn't Cast...

    by Karl Childers

    Just mentioned by Nolan that he'll definitely be in the flick.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Hugh Jackman

    by simonnumbernine

    for two face if Nolan gets his way

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Only someone who never read 80's DD comics

    by Lone Fox

    would slate the film. It was a good adaptation! As for F4... Frankie Ray, sweet. But it will just be another kiddie flick like the first one. I can enjoy it on that level, just a shame they can't do it real justice.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Its official Warwick Davis to play Galactus!

    by Reelheed

    Seriously though, is anyone going to pay to see this film? The first one was a total shite fest. If they could get Doom that wrong just imagine how awful the surfer will be.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    What is this? The A-Team?

    by Det. John Kimble

    If General Harlan "Bull" Fulbright is hunting the Surfer, does that mean Face, 'Howling Mad' Murdock and B.A. will team up with the FF to make it the Fantastic Seven?

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Um, Quint, wasn't Andre announced like a month ago?

    by Shermdawg

    Y'all are a tad late, aren't ya?

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Waah, everything that's popular sucks...

    by critch

    Crybabys. FF made a ton of money, captured the spirit of the comics, and was far better than it had any right to be. Only thing that was truly different was Doom, but he still hated Richards, so what's the difference? Certainly was better than X3, X1, Daredevil, Hulk, and of course, Superman. It certainly did not 'suck'. With every dollar this makes, a fanboy cries.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 2:22 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four did suck....

    by mattyholmes

    but like you say somehow im going to be their to see it when it hits cinemas. and no doubt i will be disapointed yet again with the final outcome.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    I hope Beau Garrett is a man

    by IndustryKiller!

    Then at least they would be acknowledging how awful these movies are with tongue firmly in cheek. SIlver Surfer was a favorite of mine when I was a kid so this is going to sting.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four movies are the reason...

    by rbatty024

    you can download movies. The only movies I'll download are shitty superhero movies (Daredevil, Fantastic Four, Elektra, and the like). I usually like to support good art, but I can't stand spending money on something I know will suck, but my love of the original property will force me to see these films. The studios are forcing us to steal.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Black Galactus/Black Kingpin < Flames on Optimus

    by maxwell's hammer

    Everybody knows that the devourer of worlds is blonde haired and blue eyed. Oh, wait, I'm getting the destroyer of planets mixed up with Jesus......Or Am I? (dum dum duuummm!!!)

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I read that the Silver Surfer will start out as a..

    by Borgnine JR

    ...bushy blonde beach kid who falls into an "Experiment" at a planetarium and morphs into our favorite silver skyrider. He will patrol the beaches of the world, using his Power Cosmic to protect said beaches from litterbugs and petrochemicals. His girlfriend will be Mischa Barton.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    "what HULK and DAREDEVIL did right."

    by Nezzer6364

    Were you too busy playing with your action figures during the movie to notice how bad both of those movies sucked?

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST


    by smutpeddlar

    listen..daredevil had extra sensory perception..he could not fly from the top of a 20 story building without dying..that movie sucked..stop talking about what it did "right" it was terrible

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 5:24 p.m. CST

    "and what 2001: A space

    by Ridge

    "and what 2001: A space Odyssey did for Science Fiction in film." What, send me to sleep?

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by Childe Roland

    Man, that's clever, what you did there, Guy. You see, he changed the name so that it includes the word "Fag," as if to suggest Favreau is homosexual. Because we all know homosexuals can't make good movies. Genius!

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Surfer and general

    by robotdevil

    It's hard to imagine a guy who does business with the likes of Galactus being threatened by any General. Sounds dumb.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by BNITT

    Perfect casting choice. Galactus eats worlds, Seagal eats buffets.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST

    To me a great comic book movie should be...

    by rbatty024

    a combination of high art and low art. That's why I actually enjoyed The Hulk (I'm one of four in the world, I know) because it combined heavy themes (fathers, nature vs. nurture, etc.) with images of a giant jelly fishes and ridiculous poodles. Whatever you may think of the Hulk's end product, anyone who appreciates something different would at least admit it was far more interesting that Fantastic Four and Daredevil.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Ann Coulter as Invisible Woman

    by BannedOnTheRun

    Reed Richards: the role Stretch Armstrong was born to play.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    My thoughts on Hulk

    by ldm882

    When I first saw it in theaters, I really dug it. Later, when I bought it on DVD and re-watched it, I still liked it, but saw more clearly some of the flaws alot of people have pointed out: it's overlong, it has moments of WAY over the top emotion (Bruce and his dad literally just screaming at each other in the end), etc. But I still think it's a flawed, yet entertaining film. I mean, c'mon, you've got to admit, the sequence in the desert with Hulk fighting the tanks and helicopters was worth the price of admission. At least I thought.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four did NOT suck

    by curtis3martin

    It wasn't great like the X-Men movies, but it beat the shit out of overblown crap like Daredevil and the Hulk. All FF needed was a better 3rd act. They'll fix that for FF2, I'm sure. Oh yeah, just for good measure--Batman Begins was also lame, pretentious crap.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four was so much better...

    by Will_Dearborn

    than either Hulk or Daredevil. I can only assume that Quint has never read a FF comic. The characters were translated perfectly, as was (far more impressively) the tone of the entire piece. And that's given that three of the five leads (Reed, Sue & Victor) were miscast. No, it doesn't take itself seriously like the X-Men movies. Nor should it. FF has always been a more lighthearted comic (perhaps to deflect attention from the silliness of its concepts), and the movie really got it right. I'd sit through an hour and a half of Tim Story's Fantastic Four ten times over before I'd sit through the two-and-a-half hours of Ang Lee's Hulk. Can't wait for the next one...

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Just as long as...

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    ...I get to see Johnny kiss Frankie and she catches on fire. Damn, I miss the '90's FF cartoon!

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Anyone that disses FF and loves Singer's X-Men

    by Immortal_Fish

    Simply doesn't have a grasp on comic canon at all. The only thing FF screwed up was Doom's origin. Despite that, the baseline has been set for Doom to be the real Doom we know and love from the comics. Try and say the same for ANY of Singer's X-Men adaptations, or Supes for that matter. ALL OF THEM are unrecoverable from his Don Murphy caliber meddling. And yet you bash FF while praising X-Men. Pfft. Like good little Harry zombies, you lot.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Harry & kid in shit-filled diaper during "Hulk"

    by Badger999

    Every time "Hulk" comes up, I just can't get the image out of my head, how Harry let that kid sit in a stinkpaste-filled diaper rather than miss a few minutes to change him.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    "Wolverine movie has potential"

    by Immortal_Fish

    The continued exploits of Knifey Boy minus his Mostly Mundane Friends? No thanks. Logan is an ugly, 5-foot, 60-something. Not a handsome, 6-foot, 30-something chick magnet. Keep Jackman and I'll pass. Cast Harvey Keitel and I'm there. And if you doubt this, then you have no love nor honor for Marvel 616 canon.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by Hjeepers

    Did any of you crazies see a little movie called "SPIDER-MAN"....last time I checked it ROCKED!

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four is 110x better than Daredevil

    by superninja

    Fantastic Four characters had actual personalities. The only bad thing about the movie was how they handled Doom!

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 10:55 p.m. CST

    They're going to make the romantic Silver Surfer

    by superninja

    a plot device played by Doug Jones, like that dead weight Abe Sapien was reduced to in Hellboy. I wonder if they realize that the character had sex appeal prior to them casting Doug Jones in the part? Also we all know Frankie Ray's story, so it will be odd if they include the character and then don't use her. It seems maybe they are trying to make up for the lack of action in the first film by going too far in the other direction.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I like Hugh Jackman as Wolverine.

    by superninja

    He's a magnetic actor. Granted an interpretation closer to the original would have been more interesting. I would still wager he would end up as a sex symbol, though, but nowhere near Hugh Jackman status.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    wouldn't normally say anything here but.....

    by mattdegroot

    The Fantastic Four have never interested me. I didnt see the first film and odds are I won't see the second one either which might make you ask why I would write anything here. Well, it seriously drives me nuts to continually read people say that Superman Returns was an awful movie!! It wasn't the second coming, but the fact that anyone can call it an "awful" movie is just insane to me. It was beautifully made, actually had interesting characters, a lush score, and the few action scenes were fun and exciting. I know many of you have ADD and get bored very easily but just b/c it wasn't nonstop action-doesn't make it a terrible film. If it wasn't thrilling enough for you fine-just don't try to tell me that it was worse than 90% of the shit that Hollywood puts out b/c it surpases most studio stuff with ease.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Well, if you really like Superman, that was an

    by superninja

    awful movie. Sorry.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    FF was okay, yet here's what I'd do.

    by hallmitchell

    First rule. Killer script. You can't exactly say FF had imagination. Alot of cliche's. The first one was supposed to be like a hard day's night. Set in the sixties and a reporter travelling around with them. That got canned for some reason. Dr. Doom is the ultimate villain. He didn't come across that way in FF. Fix it please.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    I think Silver Surfer will rock.

    by hallmitchell

    Especially with WETA behind it.

  • Oct. 3, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Daredevil 2 casting - if it ever happens.

    by hallmitchell

    Keifer Sutherland as Daredevil. Ben Affleck as Bullseye. Directed by Mel Gibson.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:09 a.m. CST

    hallmitchell, that is a really clever idea.

    by superninja

    I would've loved to see that kind of film. It reminds me of the Busiek/Ross project Marvels. Most superhero films should be period films or heavily influenced by the times in which they were created.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 12:54 a.m. CST

    Neither Spider-Man 2 or Superman Returns

    by SithMenace

    are non stop action, yet somehow I loved Spider-Man 2 and hated Superman returns, it has nothing to do with ADD. Superman just isn't an interesting character anymore, and just the fact that he had to go to the hospital shows that the filmmakers know this and tried to make him vulnerable like Spider-man. Plus, how did the billion ton chunk of kryptonite float into space, but 200 pound Superman floated back to earth? Come on, at least observe the rules of the world you created. The only aspects of that movie I enjoyed were the opening titles with Williams music, Spacey as Luthor and Posey as Kitty. No, we do not need Superman anymore, just like we don't need Daredevil, Hulk, F4, Elektra, or Punisher. Those characters may be great in the comics, but come on, as far as film making goes those movies were shit, especially Daredevil. I'm sorry but great visuals alone do NOT make a movie fun or entertaining. What we do need is The Dark Knight, Spider-Man 3 and another Singer X-Men. Singer needs to come back to the Marvel side and either do X4 or the Wolverine movie, and stop messing around with shit characters like Superman, possibly the least interesting superhero ever. And FF2 will most likely suck worse than the first, despite the great possibilties.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:18 a.m. CST

    Anyone who thinks that FF was better than Hulk

    by Messiahman someone whose opinion I automatically discount, as the only taste people like that have is in their mouths. Those who call HULK boring or pretentious are really just admitting that they're too stupid to enjoy a perfect comic book adaptation that succeeds on both an artistic and inellectual level. FF was shallow, crassly commercialized garbage designed for ADD-addled evidenced by the braindead FF supporters on this very talkback.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:02 a.m. CST

    dr. doom was like a power rangers villain

    by Exeter

    do they even read the ff comics?

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 5:23 a.m. CST


    by BranMakMorn

    The title of the first film should have just been called FOUR, because there was nothing FANTASTIC about it.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 5:55 a.m. CST

    HaHa "Wolverine"

    by Karl Childers

    $ says that it will be another Elektra.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Discounting Hulk as High Art

    by ARGH!

    Because I'm a loyal, brain-washed Marvel zombie, I finally bought the Hulk (I had to wait till' it was cheap at Wal-Mart, I couldn't bare to spend a whole $10 on the massive turd). Here's why Hulk sucked: 1. Eric Bana - a genuinely shitty actor who is miscast as a mofo. Why does Bruce Banner look like he can kick everyone's ass? Why does a kid who watched his mom get murdered seem so well adjusted? Shouldn't he be little and weird? A decent actor with only the slightest modicum of charisma could have made this movie ultimately re-watchable, despite its flaws. 2. The logic: This really is my only other problem with the movie. Why was the father going to murder his son? What did his experiments actually do to young Bruce? Was he worried that someday his son might be exposed to gamma radiation and Hulk out? Couldn't he just say, "don't play with gamma transponders or you'll Hulk out?" What were his experiments doing to himself and his kid? Nolte's powers come out of nowhere and have nothing to do with anything. They're an expensive set up for an action figure. What the hell happens at the end? What is the jelly fish about? Were Nolte's powers really becoming unstable, as he randomly throws a line in about that? Was he sucking the Hulk out of his son? Trying to harm or protect him? If he absorbed all of the Hulk, would there be any left in Banner for a sequel? Did anyone else notice that Ned's only role is to randomly attack Bruce (Krenzler?!) without consequence whenever the Hulk needs to come out? Bruce learns how not to Hulk out randomly mid-movie and they have to do it through his dreams? What? I don't mind the mediocre score, the nauseating editing, the other actors chewing up the scenery in an attempt to cover up Bana's bland, shitty performance. I don't mind the Hulk poodles, or his voice or his hugeness. I just don't like the fact that it's pretentious dribble with a terrible lead actor. I could take one or the other, but the combination melts my brain. Crap, boobs, crap. Sorry, I feel like I've been holding that in for years. I really hope Bana doesn't come back for the sequel, and I hope they don't go too far in the other direction and make a retarded action movie.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Hulk? Daredevil?

    by omarthesnake

    You know, um, you lose whatever cred you have when you claim ANYTHING is worse than H&D. FF was at least watchable.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 7:30 a.m. CST

    FF v Hulk v DD

    by Blanket-Man

    I'd rank 'em: 1) FF 2) DD 3) HULK. My kids love FF - Story, Evans and Chiklis at least got Johnny and Ben spot-on, no small feat for two of my all-time favorite Marvel characters. The story was weak, and Reed and Doom were just blah, but Alba was nice to look at. DD had flaws - mostly, it just seem to fly by without engaging me emotionally at all - but Affleck was OK and Bullseye was great. Hulk... ugh. What a mess. I'm one of the few who actually liked how the Hulk himself looked and moved, but virtually everything else in that movie was unwatchable. Even Jennifer Connelly, which seems unthinkable. Bana, Nolte, and whoever played Ned were all awful. Ang Lee should never be allowed near a superhero movie again.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST

    hollywood suits

    by Cory849

    Here's the problem, Hollywood Suits. You think that because movies make more money than comic books, that everyone involved in movies is smarter than everyone involved in comic books. This is wrong. Let's take someone like Alan Moore. Alan Moore is a genius. YOU, who followed the curriculum at Wharton and take tests well, are not. Dont get me wrong. You are VERY bright and very shrewd and very charming. But a really bright guy like you should know his limitations. Now, when you are making a movie based on a property you dont respect, like a comic book, I have some ideas for you on how to make sure itis successful and you get an EVEN BIGGER mansion in Bel Air. Are you ready? Keep this checklist in your wallet. (1) assume that because this property is on your desk, it is treasured by someone. It transcends the genre somehow. (2) Get out your whiteboard and make a list of the core elements of the property. Next to it write reasons why they are included and why they make the property special. (3) Ensure those elements are included in the movie script. (4) THEN you can write a list of stuff in the property that you think is stupid or doesnt work but keep a ratio. make sure you are keeping MOST of the property pure. (5) THEN you apply your genius of movie making. Pacing, action, special effects. You know, all the stuff Hollywood kicks ass at. Make a quality product. When Ang Lee says it will be a drama and the final scene is pitch black... that would be when you should be a bit vigorous in your notes. when someone wants to turn the foreignly exotic and dark Electra into Corn Fed Jennifer Garner, writes playground fight scenes that makes no sense, and implies that she survives one of the most effective death scenes in all of comics so that you can knock off a bad star vehicle spin-off...well, THEN you might want to be writing vigorous notes again. Notes like "the Electra death scene can give this movie real depth. real stakes. Dont wuss out here." You get the idea...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    ff was better than the hulk!

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    that's not saying much. but i really hated the hulk!

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  • Oct. 4, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    "Don't give 'em your money."

    by 3 Bag Enema

    If you're such a geek that you have to see this film in the theater, or any crap film that makes me picture white guys in expensive suits smoking cigars and laughing at us in a boardroom somewhere, just pay to see something good for you at the multiplex and sneak into the Hollywood pap instead. Do it for your country, you glorious bastards.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    hugh and ff

    by im nar

    it amazes me when ever i see someone bash hugh jackman being wolverine...he embraces the character wholeheartedly and STILL supports it, despite being a huge star. everyone doubted him at first...but he did a great job it, despite the questionable dialog handed to him. it would have been nice to see dougray scott try his hand at it though. as far as the first fantastic four wasn't that bad. sure it stole the plot for spiderman and was corny in parts. the FF has rarely ever been serious or dark. the ff is marvel's first family. meaning they are the one team that is for all ages. i think them nailing the thing and johnny storm were the biggest mountain to climb and they did an excellent job. i have complaints too, but they will never please everyone...hell, i didn't like them giving doom powers. thats like giving batman powers. doom is a brilliant scientist and wealthy, evil dictator. latvia's version of tony stark. he doesn't need powers to take on the FF.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    The Hulk was boring, except for in a few places.

    by superninja

    I did appreciate the artistic direction, but felt the themes of the film were lame-o. How's that? From an intellectual standpoint, I felt it was a huge mistake to follow Peter David's comics in using the addition of Banner's anger coming from his abusive father. I think this devalues the character's anger/rage as something entirely negative, not something that taps in to a primal desire for justice. That wasn't even the original inention of the character, but that is what it became for me (certainly influenced by the t.v. show) and I think it's a superior one.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    "prologue to a (hopefully) better movie"

    by Wdrow

    I completely agree with ZombieSolutions...FF wasn't a great comic book movie (e.g. Spider-Man and X-Men 2), but it wasn't a horrible one either (e.g. Daredevil, Catwoman). I was unemployed for two months and all I did was plant myself in front of my new high-def LCD TV watching HBO-HD. It so happens, that HBO included FF as part of their monthly movie rotation, which means I watched this movie a dozen times. Let me tell you, it is actually a better movie than you think! I admit, I was disappointed that FF didn’t have that “epic, adventure feel,” but I get what Tim Story was trying to do…he tried to instill a sense of family into the comicbook film genre. One could argue that Spider-Man had that “family” feel, but it was more a character study on heroism than anything else. X-Men has overtones of racism and Batman’s reboot it is too early to tell. Superman Returns tried to be “epic” (and rightly so), but it failed short. (I’ll rant on that later) With the introduction of Silver Surfer and Galactus, it will have that large scale, planet-saving heroism and action we would expect from a FF story. One of my favorite movies is Independence Day. Although it had that disaster movie feel, it still felt bid and epic. Maybe it was because it wasn’t set in one area, but all over the world and outer space. FF 2 should take the same approach and be set on a global scale. I’m hoping this franchise doesn’t die, I really do believe it has great potential.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    I really like the cast who play the Four.

    by superninja

    Ian whatshisname needs to step it up a bit, but I found the rest of them perfectly embodying the spirit of the characters, yes, even Alba's Sue. Recast Dr. Doom and get rid of the Nip and Tuck one noter.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    I'm kind of baffled...

    by Childe Roland the reactions to FF, Hulk and Daredevil (less so DD, I guess, because I doubt most people who sat through the theatrical version gave the much better Director's cut a shot). FF and Hulk were at opposite ends of the comic book movie spectrum. Hulk was trying to take a potentially ridiculous character (the not-so-jolly green giant who so often came across as lovably childlike or severely retarded in the comics) and make him relevant to a non-comic book audience while keeping him true enough to his comic roots to appease fans. I'll be the first to admit it fell short on the latter count (as all comic book movies do), but it succeeded pretty wildly on the former. In fact, if they'd just found a way to end it differently (that undiscernable battle in the sky with freeze-frames and a WAY overacting Nick Nolte was just worthless) and Lee had toned down some of the comic-book editing techniques (I found the frames distracting, probably because the movie itself wasn't going for the same kind of camp factor Creepshow so beautifully captured), it would probably be even more accessible and entertaining while remaining mature and emotionally relevant. Fantastic Four was a lighthearted romp of a comic book movie. More of a kid's super hero film than the Incredibles, really. I'd argue that they could cut the few gaping chest hole shots intended to lend weight to Doom's character and they'd have the perfect kiddie Marvel movie on their hands. And I never really expected the FF to aim higher. The comics were usually somehwat silly by nature (with The Thing providing commentary directly to the reader at times and a supporting cast including the likes of Willie Lumpkin). It was a comic book family sitcom that took temporary forays into melodrama. At least when it was working. When they tried to take it all dark and brooding in the late 80s/early 90s, it started to get pretty unreadable. So FF is what it is and Doom (who started as a very corny supervillain closer to Baron Underbite than anyone here would care to admit) was only underrepresented in that the origin film didn't take his development as far as more than half a century of appearances in myriad titles have. Go figure. Back to Daredevil...I still maintain the Director's Cut is a much better film. But it's not a great movie (I'd call the first Superman, the second X-Men, Spidey 1 & 2 and Batman Begins great superhero movies). It's pretty good in that it really does nail the character dynamics and basic plot beats of some of hornhead's most compelling stories from the 80s. The problem is they cram way too much into the movie. If they'd used the same cast and treated the script they shot like an outline for three films, it would've been MUCH better. Still, it's hardly the worst film ever made, or even the worst comic book movie ever made (or did some of you not see Captain America? Batman and Robin? Superman IV?). Truth is, Hulk, Daredevil and even Fatastic Four aren't terrible films or even bad comic book movies. They just aren't the movies some very loudly dissatisfied fans with short memories for the source material thought they wanted to see.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Samuel L Jackson As The MFing Galactus

    by Roboteer

    Don't think it won't at least cross Story's mind.... Officially on RT's: Hulk 60%, DD 44%, FF 26%. Personally as someone who grew up on these comics from the beginning, I thought DD came closest to capturing the comic. I think most of its criticism comes from limitations of the hero himself and a general loathing of Affleck. HULK got a pass on the previous rep of its director. Don't make me Ang Lee, you won't like me when I'm Ang Lee (never gets old), but I think it no better than the travesty of FF1. DD a B, FF & HULK D's.... Watched it on cable for the Nth time last night. X2 is the bar for all the rest, past and future. Just an amazing, better than we deserved, ultimate hero flick from title to credits.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by Cory849

    Those rotten tomato meters have an inherent critics bias. Critics often perceive the movie the way they figure they are supposed to, so some critics would write a positive review to an Ang Lee Hulk with dramatic pretensions. The buzz on FF, on the other hand, was toxic. so the safe review for a critic to submit was to trash it. Just something to keep in mind...

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Childe Rowland, who cares how Doom started out.

    by superninja

    He became one of the best and one of the most Machiavellian of all comic book villains. To have him reduced to a preening metrosexual with tons of money and no discernable talent is, well, pathetic. He is Doom, not Justin Timberlake. Most of the script failed where they tried to give Doom things to do, or make him seem threatening.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Daredevil is a long music video with Affleck

    by superninja

    dressed up like a gimp. The only watchable parts were with Garner as Elektra.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST

    But superninja, it was an origin movie...

    by Childe Roland

    ...featuring the origin of one of the most inherently silly super teams in the Marvel Universe. Of course any attempt to make Doom truly dark and menacing in that context was going to feel out of place (see my earlier post about what they should edit out of the movie to make it the perfect kid's comic flick). But, as many have pointed out, things are all set up at the end of FF -- a silly, fun, largely brainless summer romp of a movie -- for Doom to go home to Latveria and get in touch with his inner tormented son of a gypsy witch trapped between the worlds of technology and magic. They can still take Doom in the direction we'd all like to see him go (and, I'd argue, could still do it with the same actor) if they really want to. It wouldn't be the first time a flashy-fun but kind of dumb and shoddy (in terms of script, direction and several key performances) sci-fi actioner was followed up by a much deeper, darker and all around better sequel (cue Imperial march). Although the Silver Surfer -- especially as he appeared for the first time in FF -- is another kind of inherently silly concept, so any attempt to take this movie seriously is going to have that working against it from jump. Ah, who'm I kidding. Most of you are going to hate this and it's still going to have five to ten year olds running up and down the playgrounds screaming "Flame on!" and "It's clobberin' time!" and that warms my heart even if it does nothing for my inner angry teen comic geek. So hate away, I s'pose -- for all anyone's going to care.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Amid all the FF-bashing, there's a main point

    by CreasyBear

    getting lost: the comic itself sucked. The uniforms were boring and hokey. Reed and Sue were boring. When I was a young comic reader, I was disappointed whenever a good character's comic was sullied with a FF cross-over.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Childe Rowland, these are not silly concepts.

    by superninja

    The Fantastic Four are explorers, and could be very imaginative and interesting if done properly. Not to take away any of the family and lighthearted aspects, but it's about exploration of the physical universe and invention! Doom doesn't belong as part of their origin story, because he represents the opposite of what they stand for. It is once again, a metaphor - science as a tool and what matters are the souls who wield the power. (That Nip and Tuck actor plays one character at all times, get rid of him.) The Silver Surfer is the story of Buddha as an alien in many ways. It's an interesting character who deliberately hollows himself and then has to find himself all over again. He's a tragic romantic figure, not Doug Jones. Again, I did not hate the first film at all - just the way they handled Doom. In terms of the "kid stuff" there is nothing wrong with broad appeal and the first film did a lot right in that respect. I would like them to ditch the safe science and go for something really wacky and theoretical the next time around.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:13 p.m. CST

    One of my favorite more recent FF comics was

    by superninja

    something bad happening with Sue and Reed's kid and Doom was involved, blah blah blah. But all I really cared about were a few panels with Ben and Johnny showing up in Indian headresses after using Reed's time machine without his permission and all I could think about was that I wanted to know what they had just done. It was funny, I like those type of things. Why can't a Spider-Man film open with him taunting the Rhino without having to show the Rhino's origin story and have him secretly be Aunt May's long lost brother? I would also love to see a Human Torch/Spider-Man team up movie, but Maguire's Parker will actually have to get some funny lines and stop his whining.

  • Oct. 4, 2006, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Bana is a good actor. He carried Troy.

    by superninja

    It's just that he was all wrong for Banner and that script was trying to be too many things.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 12:42 a.m. CST

    If you doubt Bana

    by KillingJoke

    Go see Chopper. Amazing. He was pretty boss in Munich too.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST

    See, superninja, we aren't that far off...

    by Childe Roland

    ...from each other in our viewpoints. We agree Doom was the wrong villain for the origin film. We agree a lot of the fun family stuff was working very well. We agree they appealed broadly. We even agree that the Hulk script was too busy and that Tobey was probably the wrong guy for Spidey (I, too, would prefer a wise-cracking wall crawler to Prozac Man, but the movies are good despite his misdelivery). I still think you're taking the subject matter a wee bit seriously (mind you, this observation comes from a guy who still believes Claremont's first run on the X-Men is some of the most relevant social commentary of the last 50 years), but I think you and I can agree that there's a chance for FF 2 to be more than the first film was and that the first film wasn't the abomination so many folks want to color it as.

  • Oct. 5, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    bring in Brainiac

    by GiLL

    for the next Superman movie and all will be well.