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Herc’s Seen Tonight’s HEROES 1.2!!
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I saw “Heroes” 1.2 and 1.3 together in the same sitting a week ago so I’m having trouble remembering what happens in each. But here’s a few invisotext-cloaked notes from memory:
1) 1.2 and 1.3 make me like the series more than 1.1 did.
2) Japanese Nightcrawler demonstrates a new superpower this week, a superpower that German Nightcrawler does not possess.
3) We learn that Stripper Phoenix’s doppelganger can do much more complicated things than merely punish her tormentors.
4) We learn this week precisely when the atom bomb vamporizes Manhattan.
5) We get a bunch of new regulars this week, including Greg Grunberg as the telepathic cop, Clea DuVall as a hot blonde fed, and the “Everwood” girl from the tampon commercials as Mohinder’s dad’s superhot neighbor, who seems certain to quickly evolve into the cabdriver/scientist’s love interest.
6) We meet what is presumably the series’ biggest bad, a superpowered serial killer.
9 p.m. Monday. NBC.
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Oct 02, 2006 3:22:22 PM CDT
1 part Watchman, 1 part X-Men, a dash of Supreme Power
by rufus_t_firefly
...and stir. A New York apocalypse and a super powered serial killer *are* cool things to steal, tough. Gotta give 'em that.
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...and damn..almost FIRST!...again
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This show is crap. I can't believe I waited in anticipation for this. The 1st episode was poorly acted with terrible pacing. They tried to cram too much into an hour long episode, introducing too many characters. And then...where the fuck was the heroism? the flying scene at the end was totally lame. A couple of guys dangling from cables...I'll stick with Smallville.
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It's funny how one line can undermine and entire comment. :)
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The first episode, while not perfect, showed a healthy amount of potential. This series is another slow-build like LOST, but I bet we start seeing big payoffs around November sweeps. You just gotta love the idea of a superpowered serial killer like Redstone from SUPREME POWER, though.
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so in yo face ;-)
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this and studio 60 are the two best shows out this season by miles and i cant wait to see how these two shows evolve and get deeper into their respective mytholgys
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This show is SO bad, or at least the first ep. was. Some of the worst, most turgid, cliche-ridden dialog in a LONG time. Good grief, we even have a hooker-mom-with-a-heart-of-gold. Gahhhhh. And the story was just...meh.
This thing has JUST TONIGHT to stop with the Lucas-like dialog and cliches and lame stories and get it together, or --whomp-- out of my Tivo's season pass lineup she goes. -
Does it have more shots of Ali Larter's sweet poop-cutter?
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but smallville has been crappier for long time now
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I felt the same way about Surface last year...It feels like they are making the same mistakes that that show made...too busy too many characters all at once...Oh and speaking of serial killers I'm surprised we didn't get a Dexter talkback yesterday...that was my favorite Showtime pilot ever...I liked it better than I liked Weeds
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is like comparing ice cream with horse manure.
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I caught the first ep again on Skiffy and I have to say even knowing what was going to happen I still enjoyed it. That to me is the sign of a good show, can it be watched again and still be enjoyed. Caught a few little things I missed the firstgo round so it was nice. Looking forward to Grunberg's appearance as he was my favorite character on Felicity (let the slamming of Felicity begin!) And yeah I'm all for more Ali Larter near-nekkidness (had to get in the obligatory AICN Talkback immature comment there)
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Anyone else notice how many times Star Trek was referenced in Episode 1? I wonder if there is a new Star Trek product coming out soon...
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cause that show rocked.
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This was probably one of the worst, most uninteresting, boring, lame, dumb-ass, putrid, awful, did I say boring, contrived, pieces of crap I ever forced myself to sit through. I deserve swit and terrible punishment for making myself watch this crap.
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I'm really digging it and I can't wait to see it tonight. GO EAGLES!!!
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What is it about this character that a lot of people like?
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You can't compare the two, because they are apparently trying to use the Unbreakable trick of trying to ground the Heroes story in semi-reality, while Smallville has a tiny little small town in America that is visited by a monster or a supervillain or someone with Kryptonite every week. Apples and Oranges.
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is a twenty-something, four-eyed, male nerd. Much like the readers of this website. Myself included. Also, I feel he has the most badass ability. 1.1 didn't hook me but...I...can't...help...but...watch.
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I just watched the Surface marathon on Sci Fi Channel and still pissed it got canceled. At least give us a shitty Sci Fi Channel Movie wrapping it up.
I like that Heroes is repeated on Sci Fi Fridays at 7pm. Also I adore HP LOVECRAFT's stories. -
There's got to be a countdown to Hayden Panettiere's 18th birthday somewhere on the web, right?
And us nerds got to give props to one of our own (especially one who can reference Uncanny X-Men #143). Hiro is the next Edgar Stiles--let's hope he doesn't meet the same fate. -
But the commercial for how it is all simultaneously happening in a comic, or something to that effect is interesting enough to keep me coming back now.
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I know I'm gonna regret it but I'll give Heroes one more chance, although I did not enjoy the first one. Ok I'll admit it, I'll give it one more chance hoping Ali Larter gives us another show.
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Carnivale constantly gets brought up all the time by people who liked the show. Well I love Surface I'm proud of it and if several other members can paly cheerleader to Carnivale I can play cheerleader to Surface.
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I've never encountered your kind before. I didn't know you existed. Well to each his own. Keep it real yo'. Man...I've posted 3 times in this thread alone tonight. I have way too much time on my hands..................or do I???
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I'm interested to see where it goes. I'm hoping it gets better, and I became more interested once the apocalyptic visions appeared. It was at the very least worth watching a second episode. "And then...where the fuck was the heroism?" Um, give them time. The intent was not to make the this the Justice League from the get-go. It's a continuing story.
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"Everyone seems to did Hiro
What is it about this character that a lot of people like?" Personally, I like the differences between all the other characters and Hiro. He isn't freaked out or upset by his power. He's thrilled by it and wants to believe it immediately. Sure, he's a little over the top, but he's so overjoyed I find it hard not to like him. -
Multiple Woman?
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I don't like Indian Exposition Man or his Winona Ryder friend. Ali's story sucks. Her super power is that she blacks out and steals cars. This blows.
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Oct 02, 2006 8:35:56 PM CDT
OK cutting the guy's brain out makes the episode better
by fluffyunbound
What the fuck was that
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well over half the "super" heroes are form the United States? Rubbish I say.
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Anyone else seeing that symbol that looks like a fancy F all over this episode. I just saw it in the guys painting, in the code on the laptop, and in the pool in the murdered family's backyard. Lost anyone?
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I liked the first one, but this one's lousy. Very generic, and did they change some of the actors already? (the politician brother)?
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i liked that a lot better than the pilot. Hiro's not Nightcrawler, he's the scarlet Witch.
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Thought the pilot was weak. This was almost a 100% better. Pilot should have been followed immediately with that episode. I'm in for sure now.
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Yeah, I saw the symbols too. There was one more in the corner of the flying guy's stick drawing.
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She looks like Josh Hartnett in a wig. This had some shocking violence for a prime time show. Heads cut off, brains removed, moms steak knifed to the wall, strippers that dismember mobsters? Fun stuff. I have a headache from the time traveling plot bullshit, but it was fun.
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Professor X, or this show's character equivalent thereof, is the cheerleader's adoptive father. I think there's a whole lot more to him than what we've seen - hell, he might even have a power of his own. Anyway, the Indian guy's girlfriend is really damn cute. Really. Not the greatest actor, but she sure is a bug in a rug.
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Episode 1 was kinda meh... but it's definitely starting to hook me. Some of the twists were pretty friggin blatant, but the Hiro time-travel stuff was handled really well, and I'll definitely stick with it for a few more episodes.
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...think bullseye when they saw the mom stuck to the wall with forks and stuff? that was cool. other than that, i thought this was weaker than last week's.
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Love the nuke, I'm hooked.
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You all know it!!!!
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Wasn't the redhead fed chick, Stacy Haiduk of Superboy fame?
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Mainly the indian guy's scenes.The girl forgets about her lizard until they listen to the phone message, a few seconds later at just the right moment the lizard appears, they put him in his tank and find the memory stick. It was a little too conveniant. So much so, even Smallville wouldn't try something like that.
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...is not the cheerleader's father. Remember he was the one that ransacked Mohinder's father's place? No doubt that he wants to destroy those with powers than help them. It's Mohinder who is the Prof X character. His father developed a super computer that can locate mutants (Cerebro?) and he wants to continue his fathers research of finding those with powers.
And did anyone else notice that in the code for the program that he found on the thumbdrive, there was a symbol? It was also a painting in Isaac's (the future-seeing painter) apartment when Hiro walked in. -
He is Magik. Time traveling teleporter.
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That is all.
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anyone who says this show sucks needs their head examined...I mean seriously...the nuke at the end...I think this is going with the 24 formula....first 5 minutes rock...middle 40 minutes filler...last 5 minutes rock da house.....
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I only watched this week because I liked Hiro in the pilot. This week was much better. There is obviously alot going on, and I think alot of the things that seemed to be straight forward cliches at first will be swerved on in later episodes, such as the basic idea that these are X-men style mutants, rather than created heros. I also think this episode will lose ratings, not because of the quality, but because this was incredibly dark for a network show, and I think there will be kids who had the TVs turned off on them, or won't be allowed to watch again next week after they keep mom awake all night.
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supa hiro!
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...but this was MUCH better. This moved the show from "all right" to "can't wait until next week". But about it being dark...yeah, I had some kids in front of the TV in our house tonight, and forked to the staircase and empty, open brainpans were more than I bargained for. That was a bit father down the 7 road than I thought network TV would be willing to go, even in a world of CSIs. Damned good, though, and at least my eight year old seemed a lot more interested in the mechanics of Hiro's space/time travel than the gore. Yeah, I'm growing her to be a nerd.
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Like, stuff in inviso text is great! But what if you said: Tonights episode was good, mor ein inviso text. Or it was brilliant. Or it was crap! Or what a let down after the pilot
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Looked like a partial DNA strand to me.
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But does this mean that the series is running in real time? That is, the nuke must be stopped by the November ratings sweeps?
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Can we please stop calling her Phoenix? As someone else said, all she does is black out and steal cars/kill people. We don't even know how she did it. By Herc's logic, anyone who mysteriously kills people is JUST LIKE PHOENIX. Let's wait to find a proper analogue for her until after she's demonstrated powers that can't be explained by alcoholism.
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Wolfman is definitely right up there about Professor X, but creepy cheerleader's dad guy gives me a Stryker vibe, now that I think about it...
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The show was a little better this week. Hiro is still cool and at this point is the only character that has a "real" superpower. Still trying to figure out what is going on with stripper girl, Evil twin? Don't make me mad Hulk power? Crazy bitch power?
So they are going to fight a super powered serial killer? Meh, whatever I will have to see how it will play out. I will guess and say that he finds other super powered types and eats their brains to gain new super powers.
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"Lost anyone?" That's exactly what went through my head at the end of the first episode when Hiro saw the comic. Completely blew the show for me. Didn't bother watching the second episode.
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cut out. The person who said this was very violent for a network show was right. Particularly a 9 PM show. The bodies in the trunk, the serial killer victims including the flash-forward painter dude - yikes. And again they piled all the really good reveals into the last 30 seconds - Hiro being 5 weeks into the future, the nuke going off, Milo really can fly after all, etc. I was a bit worried during the first 20 minutes with Indian Exposition Man expositing all over the place, and with Milo going through his angsty I-don't-really-have-powers-and-my-dad-killed-himself-thing and the 2nd-best-cheerleader-wants-the-attention thing, but the last half of the episode discarded all that crap and really got going.
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Oct 03, 2006 8:30:35 AM CDT
The comic book actually has a reason and an explanation
by fluffyunbound
in this show, so that means it isn't directly like Lost. The comic is drawn by Painter Dude Who Can See The Future, so it's organic to what we already know. And Hiro sees the comic and goes to find Painter Dude, as any reasonable person would under the circumstances. So it fits into the plot very nicely.
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I think both episode 1.1 and 1.2 were relatively formulaic and "boring", but I think they suffer from the same problem most network sci-fi does: an overwhelming urge to introduce and explain all relevant factors to the "world" in the first episode. I think as they focus more on the plot and the individual heroes learning their powers, it will pick up tremendously. I'm very encouraged overall, as long as they slow down on the "explanation" and start treating their audience as if they are bright enough to fill in the blanks. The cut up head and missing brain was cool. Now I just need to find out what the deal with the comic book is. Oh - and more of the hot neighbor girl.
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sure its not exactly original, but it could blossom into somethign cool once they get through the introductory phase.
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And this could be something that it just works itself into. But jumping around between the stories is beginning to wear on me. They need to start focusing more on one character per episode. LOST is close to a multi character formula that works but they have a much clearer connection to one story arc i.e. the stranded on a strange island thing but the flash back and episodes with the one character flashbacks help in keeping attention I wouldnt recommend it's model as the ultimate solution though because I gave up on it right after they moved into the underground condo. Right now Heroes is still too all over the map for me, and I want it to solidify because I like the premise a great deal and if the cast can gel and the arc to arc flopping can slow then I think it's could be a really great show.
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...is, at least to this point, nothing more than an easter egg. We saw it in the pilot and saw the polar bear later, and to this point in the show there has been no explanation as to it's significance. Once Hiro saw the comic it took all of 30 seconds to explain the significance of it. If that's a ripoff, than every scene with someone holding a gun is a ripoff of another scene with someone holding a gun, or a scene of people having a conversation is a ripoff of a previous scene with people having a conversation. Maybe someone should make a show where people communicate by writing with a pen lodged up their ass and they threaten each other with safety pins. At least that would be original, eh?
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I thought Ep. 2 was excellent. The show is definitely a "must see" for me. Artist dude on the floor with a missing brain sets up (I hope) a very neat "can you change the future by altering the past?" time paradox situation. Only Hiro "experienced" that future, so that may give them an "out" from dealing with it directly. Still, this episode rocked and then some. The super serial killer is very interesting....what's the deal with brain theft? Is he absorbing his victims? Doing a Hannibal Lecter and just chowing down? (Fava beans, Clarice!) Good stuff, Maynard.
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Apparently, some of you downie-clownies would rather be watching ACCORDING TO JIM or THE CLASS. Whatever floats your boat, guys. Me, I'm digging HEROES so far and it looks like I was right about November being big, what with Peter's brother winning the election and the nuke in five weeks' time. Oh, and yes, Stacy Haiduk did play Lana Lang on the ADVENTURES OF SUPERBOY series back in the early '90s. Some people may also know her from her vital role as "that chick on season one of SEAQUEST." And MISFITS OF SCIENCE did rock back in the day. If MAMA'S FAMILY can get a DVD set, MISFITS certainly deserves one...
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And yes, Clea DuVall can be hot...http://tinyurl.com/fc3xh
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An atomic bomb turns everyone in Manhatten to Vampires? ("Vamporizes"). Hmmmmmmmmmm........ And Stacy Haiduk was also in Kindred: The embraced, to further the vampire references. ...............
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It is better in every respect - characters that have real personalities, mysteries that are being solved, and more than 10 minutes of forward momentum per episode. This show is going to bury Lost this year.
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Was the first show that I was ever heartbroken when it was cancelled... If they're going to introduce new characters regularly, they should give us a "Johnny B"-like character...If I remember correctly Herc said that it was the same writing team as Misfits, so that'd be a fun little shout out to the old fans...
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spiral? Discuss.
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HEROES still has that shot-on-videotape cheeseball look which reveals the show's limited budget. LOST and NBC's own KIDNAPPED has a much slicker, shot on 35MM, cinematic look. Maybe now that it's a ratings hit NBC can improve the production values? For example, the flying effects, limited though they were, were wretched. Smallville has better flying effects. The most important thing though, the quality of the writing, did improve with the second episode, though it's still far from great. The thing that'll keep me watching are the very well done cliff-hangers.
Oh, and to the guy who inquired as to why Hiro is everybody's favorite character: it's because, funnily enough, he's the easiest person to identify with. Even though he's from Japan, he's an everyday working guy, stuck in a cubicle, with dreams of something grander for himself. Also his sense of awe and wonder at his powers makes him a fun character to watch. -
Unbreakable was more innovative and facinating than this show. This show just drags way to much, cool premise and with some tighting up I'd keep watching it... but..... it.... dragssssss.
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They need to ALL OUT. A nuke is only one step above planes into buildings on the disaster meter. I'm not saying a nuke isn't horrible but...
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also on Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory. I thought it started slow, but it seems like the individual stories and characters are beginning to converge now. So not only do they have to deal with a nuclear apocalypse, but also a superpowered serial killer! Awesome!
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If the suits can keep their mits off of it, we should be okay.
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I think this talkbacker hit on something here when he said that the reason peopel like Hiro so much is that he's enthusiastic about his newly found powers. That is my main grievance with the show. Although I like it, it would be more enjoyable if these people removed the corn cobs from their asses and smiled more often. I mean, dude, you can fly. Honey, your invincible. Playa, you can read chicks' minds. Go get some!
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just because they have to stop a nuke...doesn't mean the potential isn't limitless....I think it's a great way for them to come together...it's a monumental catastrophe so people aren't going to be like 'i'll show you my superpower after you show me yours' cause then it will take three seasons for anything to really happen....so for those of you yawning or bored with the storyline....I think your mommy is calling you cause it's past your bedtime....
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...it does NOT look like it was shot on video. It looks as good as any movie in theatres right now. Something must be wrong with your TV dude. This show is fun, and not nearly as much of a cock tease as Lost.
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Is extremely extremely hott
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The tube TV in my apartment is a 32 inch Sony Wega Trinitron (I can't justify blowing 2K on an HDTV, I've got bills to pay). The picture I get when I watch HEROES is kind of fuzzy and blurry around the edges. But HOUSE, KINAPPED, STUDIO 60 and LOST which are also broadcast in HD don't come in like this. I assumed it was because the HEROES producers were shooting on video.
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Too bad there will never be a DVD release.
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You must have gotten something in your eye. Go wash your eye out.
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Clea Duvall is hot... NEVER. Not if she was the last woman on earth... Never. What was with the NO makeup? How many itsy-bitsy moles could one person have on their skin? And the fake blond hair?! Sheesh! I think my diatribe is just a natural reaction to the fact that Clea's acting-- like most of the actors in this show-- SUCKED. (And she was FANTASTIC in Carnivale!) I'm not believing her as a TOUGH agent. In what world does Clea Duvall turn around and cuff an innocent Greg Grunberg with one arm?! If you look at that scene closely, you'll see that Grunberg just turned HIMSELF around-- to follow the piss poor blocking the director wanted. My biggest problem with Heroes is that there are too many characters, too many scene changes, etc. You can see how they are rushing to finish each episode by the piss poor cinematography and lighting in almost every set up. You KNOW they are rushing when normally reliable actors (like Clea Duvall and Greg Grunberg) are caught on camera with sub-par work.
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It's taking time to set up, you have to introduce the characters. That's why it's moving slow. If you actually read a book you'd know that they all start off setting up the world you're about to enter and introducing the characters and what those characters want. My god you kids are fucking pathetic. Sit back, enjoy the show and let it unfold. And the first episode kicked ass and anyone who didn't like it either doesn't like SCI-Fi or has a serious case of ADD. FUCK!! I'm going crazy reading post after post of you whiney bitches saying its to slow or it was "meh". GROW THE FUCK UP!!!! (and yes I'm aware that I'm actually saying that here on AICN's talkback). AUGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!! I just want to bash my skull in.
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It's too slow, only after 2 episodes?
It's a TV series. Series = multiple episodes of a show with the same cast.
The second episode added more characters, reveals more plot, showed more powers, people were brutally murdered, nukes exploded, herion addicts shot up, cops got arrested, cheerleader chick had a "Death Becomes Her" neck injury, gah....what more could the show have done to pic up the pace? -
where someone walks into their apartment, chills out for a minute, then finds out there's SOMEONE ELSE in there, possibly sent to kill them? (the Bruce Willis/John Travolta scene). I thought it was odd they used that scene TWICE in the pilot (with the Indian dude an again w/ Ali Larter), but then AGAIN in the first five minutes of 1.3?? I hope this happens in every episode.
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Nightcrawler teleports because of his father's realm. His father is a demon who is ruler of an entire realm that, when Nightcrawler teleports, he teleports into. That's why there's a sulpher smell and the bamph. When he teleports back in, he's ripping the space in the area.
Hiro most likely teleports by freezing time around him, moving himself, and then releasing the hold on time. Nightcrawler shows absolutely no ability to manipulate time in any way.
Phoenix is much, much more than simply a second personality that kills people randomly. It's a space entity that represents all psionic energy of the past, present, and future. The only reason it went batshit crazy was it wanted power it never had -- emotion.
The character Niki seems to have another personality that she sees in the mirror and could even be said to be the fight part of her fight or flight personality. Not a cosmic entity.
Claire is nothing like Wolverine. She doesn't have bone skeleton claws or a metallic skeleton. She's not over 100 years old.
Peter is nothing like Rogue. Rogue needs contact to use powers. Peter's power seems to be empathy and template of powers -- he would be somewhat like Mimic.
Matt, the cop, is not Xavier. Xavier can interfere in thoughts and implant, so far the character of Matt can only hear.
Nathan, who can fly, is not like Storm or most other characters that can do much more than fly. The reasons should be obvious.
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...Need to match up the dates. They're apparently doing this show somewhat in "real time". Hiro thought it was Oct 2nd. He leaped himself to Nov 6th. Which means they thwart the nuke in time for sweeps. That means there's a whole season worth of shit that's going to hit the fan well after our "heroes" have had their 1st team up unless it ends up just being Hiro and the Clark Kent ripoff dude teaming up with the painter and hindu prof X. Clark Kent ripoff dude's Lex Luthor ripoff brother is probably evil and somehow tied to everything going on. As far as this ep goes. I may go to hell for writing this but Hayden Panetierre's got a "splat" face. For the love of God, please don't make me explain that. The girl next door is a gov't agent. It's so obvious. That wiretapping guy gets the award for the worst evil Gov't spook pretending to be service laymen ever. That scene was so unitentionally funny. The mail man from "Three Days of The Condor" is somewhere spinning in his grave right now.
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but the one reason why I don't mind the brooding is because these are regular people who are living regular 9-5 lives and they all have their individual problems, concerns or just want to fit in and now, at first glance, they have something else that can make their life harder. Last thing big brother wants is to be seen as a freak or have a family of freaks right before the election. Dark Side girl has a mob guy she borrowed money from to pay back and a kid to raise and a husband/boyfriend/sperm doner who's on the run to worry about, Future Painter guy is a drug addict and isn't painting the art he wants to paint but something else that he's not even conscious of, WolvieGirl just wants to be popular and suck off the hunks at school (like who's going to bang me if they know I can't die), Mind Reader Cop just wants to be a detective but can't pass the test (some of you may know why he can't, but I won't "spoil" it here - check out Greg's interview at 9thwonders.com). But also remember they're also just getting these abilities so once they wrap their head around then maybe they'll start to have some fun. Give it some time.
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...is more money, mainly for special effects. A show like Lost was lucky enough to get a HUGE budget for its pilot, so its unfortunate that NBC wasn't so generous with this one. The blood/gore stuff looks great, (Brains! BRAINS!) and how they've visualized Hiro's abilities is pretty spot-on, but the flying? Not so much. That was some broke-ass Cirque Du Soleil action there. Hopefully this show will be successful in the ratings, cuz that just means more money to make it look better. I'll be watching with fingers crossed. Oh, and yes, Virginia - this show can be compared to Lost. In fact, a show like this probably wouldn't even exist if it weren't for the success of our friends out there on Fantasy Island...
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how about stick with just a couple of stories for now? better dialogue? better actors? Hayden Panettiere is a SMOKIN HOT munchkin!! Right now that ass is all I'm watching this for.
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......What are the statistical odds that all but one of the heroes is from the U.S.? Not very good. I get it, only capitalist countries can produce these evolved beings. I know were only two episodes in and I'm sure we'll meet more "heros" but come on.
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Has no one noticed that the Adrian Pasdar politician character winning the election according to the newspaper and then having the nuclear attack in New York resembles the plot of the dead zone where they have to stop the guy once he comes in to power before he ends the world
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Hey what's the score with the painter guy? In the version of the pilot I saw he had cut off his hand. Unless I'm remembering it wrong. In this episode he had both of them. Also his apocalyptic painting was different too I feel... How long ago did they film the pilot? Anyone know? The one I saw was a pre-air so now I'm thinking it was probably substantially different to the one shown on TV last week.
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Are you sure that middle america and some of the hicks on the coasts can handle a real international cast and watch a lot of people with brown skin (who are not shucking and jiving and telling mama jokes) week after week? Hell, Warner Bros wants most of the kids at the WORLD BATTLE SCHOOL for the Ender's Game movie to be white. So yeah, I agree with you with approx 1.5 Billion Chinese and approx 1.3 Billion Indians - most of the people in the show happen to be White. However, if you look at the professor's map, there were pins all over the world... and to stick up for the writers, they're just telling the stories of the individuals who will be helpful to take on some event in NYC. However, I don't think Americans can take to much brown skin on TV and on the flip side they do have a White woman with a mixed child so there's some TV progress... right?
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She is clearly the Hulk! When she get's mad or overly emotional she looses control and her alter ego that has super strength comes out and goes on a rampage and she wakes up later in a daze just like Bruce Banner.
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NBC execs have more power over programming than the president has over our nation. It seems as if the Hiro character is writen with more care than the other characters.
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...Did not listen to Exposition Indian's exposition. Check out the literally pinpointed map he showed to Herc's anhorexic fantasy. Way more countries were represented than America. Perhaps two episodes (and budget thereof) aren't enough to cover the additional details where other nations are regarded. Does this mean the subtext isn't there? Perhaps you suffer from WGD (white guilt disorder)? As a Massachusetts Pauhatan, I forgive you. Native Americans haven't been represented at all, neither here nor on Survivor. Feel better?
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Some of you are just threatened by women who could kick your ass. It's OK. You can stick with the dainty bimbos who can't do anything for themselves if that's your cup of tea.
I'm liking where this is going, although these cliffhanger endings are really bugging me!
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Thus is not hot. Herc's 10-year-old-boy fantasy of Exposition Indians's neighbor friend is not hot either. Ali Larter's face is quite attractive as is Keira Knightley's, but they both amount to pretty heads on a stick. Meaning, they carry nothing but base, testosterone interest. What keeps me watching is the utter whimsey and joy of Hiro's character. All along he's loved what he's become and now carries the weight of its responsibility, all with (literal) comic book overtures. Love it! DC's "Millenium" here we come!
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we'll see how it goes in the weeks to come. I'm not as blown away as I was say, after the first couple of eps of Lost or 24, but I'm willing to give it a shot for now. What I like: the comic book "look" and inspiration, Ali Larter, Hiro, the main plot. What I don't like: serial killer sub-plot? Boring. Show has potential, but let's wait and see what happens next...
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Don't have an explanation as to why it looks crappy for you. I have noticed the black levels on the show are pretty low...For me, my cable feed of the Sci Fi channel and thus, Battlestar Galactica looks like streaming internet video, just crappy, but I can't wait three months for the UniHD rebroadcast so I must suffer.
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I don't think she can be easily compared to Hulk, Phoenix, or even Jekyll and Hyde. I think in fact, she is always powerful, but she can't deal with it psychologically, so she's split into two separate personalities. Like someone else said, the powered personality is all about fight and flight, self-preservation at any cost, no moral compass about it. I believe in the end we will discover that the bodies in the desert are well deserved to be there, dark as that concept may be.
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I do like the show..."Hiro" as a character kicks all kinds of cool ass....but it moves so s-----l----o---w.The pace of the story needs to be picked up or else they will quickly lose viewers. Yes, slow pacing works with LOST but not for a show like "Heroes" where they show way too little storyline per episode.
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I swear I almost stopped watching it after 8 episodes. The pay off at the end of season 2 was ok. Carnivale set the standard in slow building. Compared to Carnivale Heroes is ultrafast.
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Somebody please make this the new "Has a beer and cheets putting flames on Hulk Hogan as the baddie." Pretty please.
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Oct 08, 2006 9:33:29 PM CDT
Wungolioth, "she can't deal with it psychologically,so"
by immortal_fish
"so she's split into two separate personalities." That would make her more than similar to the Hulk. That said, I don't think she 'hulk's out' per se, but I certainly do think she shrugs off all conscience during her episodes and becomes akin to a se7en killer/architect with mirrors acting as her visions into the memory of her other personality. Way intrigued, I have to say. Hulk is my favorite comic hero, so very way looking forward to the new superhero spin on this antihero archetype.
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While slow, it was never boring.
HEROES needs to pick up the pace a little too.
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Heroes has had more story momentum in it's first 2 episodes than Lost did in it's first 10. Too slow? Gimme a goddamn break...., Agreed. And my patience is running out with both Lost and Battlestar Galactica. Heroes has been a pleasant surprise.That being said, I'd like to see these charcters start crossing paths and more momentum getting built up past the "origin stories".
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