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Hercules Has No Love For The CW’s ‘New’ GILMORE GIRLS!!

I am – Hercules!! “Gilmore Girls” is over. It’s “West Wing” without Aaron Sorkin. “Andy of Mayberry” without Don Knotts. “The Prisoner” without Patrick McGoohan. “SNL” without Bill Murray. It’s “The Simpsons” without Sam Simon. It’s “Moonlighting” without Glenn Gordon Caron. Tonight’s episode – the first produced without the participation of Amy Sherman-Palladino, its lynchpin and mastermind since episode one – does not feel like “Gilmore.” It feels like “Gilmore” fanfic, like a far lesser talent is aping scenes we’ve seen before, and he’s forgotten to mix in the genius comedy so essential to the franchise. I won’t delete my TiVo season pass for “Gilmore Girls.” If a great new episode (or string of episodes) emerges this season I’m sure the Gilmore Nation will alert us. (The post-Sorkin “West Wing” was, after all, far from unwatchable.) But the series we knew is done. And what matters Herc’s opinion? USA Today says:
… Amy Sherman Palladino wrote new producer David Rosenthal into a box, but he has only made matters worse, from silly plots to strained attempts to imitate Palladino's writing style. There are more words than ever, rattled off at even faster speed. But they seldom make sense, and they're never amusing. (Halfway through a long Lorelai metaphor about a car and a bumper, you want to reach into the screen and throttle her.)…
Entertainment Weekly gives it an “A-minus” and says:
… The seventh season of Gilmore starts with a frightening event: silence...55 seconds of it. Luckily, new showrunner David Rosenthal is just playing us. He quickly proves himself to be a gifted student of Rorelai patter (''There's nothing good about a goodbye, it's a poorly named ritual'').
The Seattle Post-Intelligencer says:
… Without creator and executive producer Amy Sherman-Palladino and her husband, Daniel Palladino, the heart and soul of this series, it looks as if the party is over. Better to say, it sounds as if it's over. Gone is the slicing wit. Gone are the keen cultural references and the smarty-pants social jabs the Palladinos easily wove into each episode. Stars Hollow residents didn't just chat, they danced through each exchange. Now, under the new show runner, David S. Rosenthal, every conversation has two left feet and seems interminable. You can tell Rosenthal tried to incorporate the Palladino pep into this new episode, but all he could manage is a shabby trace job. …
The Columbus Dispatch says:
… Tuesday night’s season premiere picks up where last season left off, minus creator Amy Sherman-Palladino, who was responsible for the series’ trademark rapid, witty dialogue. The dialogue in the premiere sounds similar, if a bit forced, as if someone were trying to copy what they’d seen before (which is, of course, exactly what they did). But the action is great — kooky Kirk (Sean Gunn) is in rare form, and repercussions from the finale abound.…
The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette says:
… For any fans worried that the departure of "Gilmore Girls" creator Amy Sherman Palladino would hurt the show, tomorrow's seventh season premiere should quickly put to rest such concerns. The characters not only sound like themselves, in some cases they sound more like themselves (as established in the show's early years) than Palladino had written them in recent seasons.…
The Seattle Times, The Dallas Morning News, and The Miami Herald say:
… Our favorite Gilmore girl is gone. … Sherman-Palladino, along with her husband, executive producer Dan Palladino, left the dramedy after the network refused to give them a two-year contract. Her absence is glaring. This week's premiere is the equivalent of Lorelai going without coffee. It is missing the rush of breathless dialogue, the jolt of unexpected zingers and the rich flow of pop-culture references that might make even Dennis Miller's mind reel.
8 p.m. Tuesday. The CW.





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  • Sept. 26, 2006, 3:09 a.m. CST

    CURST!

    by foreignerbelt

    you know, the Carceri prison town

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 5:14 a.m. CST

    Surprised.

    by artnphotogirl

    I am surpised that this was even mentioned here. Who watches the "Gilmore Girls"? Seriously.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Always been an Arborea man myself...

    by Killah_Mate

    Dunno what people see in those Evil towns - they really smell, and the food sucks, honestly.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Also, the Gilmore Girls thing is fucking awful.

    by Killah_Mate

    I don't exactly watch them much, but it always sucks when a show creator walks away, especially when the Palladinos are supposed to have had the whole ending planned a long time ago.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Disaster for all...

    by Sleeping_Angel

    For starters, they didn't walk away, they were basically given a series of choices that were unacceptable, and the path of least resistance was to leave the show. I guess they thought they were leaving it in capable hands, and I really hope that it can be pulled together. People who watch Gilmore girls, are fans of intelligent comedy, pop culture, music and teenage mothers. If this show goes under, it's another nail in the coffin of scripted comedy, soon to be replaced with reality TV show 'big sister' which is just like 'big brother' only the housemates have to deal with a very angry overlord every 4 weeks. Now a question, why the hell can't they just let people make their TV shows the way they want to, before deciding if the show will get viewers? shows used to work like that, I'm sure of it.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 6:45 a.m. CST

    Please get good! Please get good!

    by nemesisdarkside

    Please get good! If only for ONE reason.<P>Veronica Mars.<BR>If Gilmore Girls starts shedding viewers, it is't gonna bode well for Veronica. <BR>AND I want a full season dammit!!!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Not going to watch anymore...

    by Huffy_Henry

    congrats, CW. You cunts have ruined one of the only watchable shows on your network. I mean, it had to die eventually, and I honestly think the season finale 2 seasons ago would have been perfect, but damn.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 6:51 a.m. CST

    *isn't

    by nemesisdarkside

    <em>I repeat. I want that pesky full season order!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Varied Reviews

    by meCPS

    I'll withhold judgement until I see it for myself. How many opinions (both pro and con) will be posted here be people who haven't even seen the premiere episode yet? Rarely have I scene a single episode of a TV show inspire such extremely opposing reviews. Just watch it. You'll either like it or you won't. It's just TV for God's sake.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST

    A somewhat suitable thread to post this...

    by DanielKurland

    Here's the new Veronica Mars title sequences. It's quite different than what we're used to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =Nf9lGVBKDvw Also, the premiere of VM will be streaming online on MSN today, I don't know the link or when, as they like to be vague like that.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Let's give it a few episodes before writing it off.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I haven't seen any of the new episodes yet, but I'm willing to withhold judgement until at least the first month or so of the new season has passed. Though I totally agree with Huffy-Henry that the season 4 finale was pretty much the climax of the entire series. It has been downhill ever since then.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 7:18 a.m. CST

    DanielK

    by nemesisdarkside

    The last time you posted that, I copied & pasted and it didn't work. So I spent 15 mins searching for it on YouTube and failed. Today, I copied & pasted your entry again and it failed again. THEN I noticed there is a space in there.<P>Thank You, anyway. That little tease + the "frakking Veronica" tease have got me counting the days. I CAN'T wait for season 3, even more now.<P>VM, Lost and BSG, all back in the space of a week! It's insane.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    West Wing took a dump before Sorkin left.

    by minderbinder

    Don't watch GG.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    the "wit" had already gotten old

    by JackDonkey

    and it wasn't even that smart, it's just referencing wierd stuff. The joy of the show in my opinion is the characters, and with luke out of character lately being Lorelai's boyfriend and Paris just relegated to a bitch, no longer somewhat vulnerable, just clearly lost. Lane just a stupid role now. Too little of Emily and Richard lately as well.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I MUST DESTORY GRETCHEN SPECK

    by JackDonkey

    caps lock makes me cool, I watched that episode just a few weeks ago :)

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Anything has to be better than the Palladino's Season 6

    by SpyGuy

    Once the Palladinos created "Dark Rory" and her self-absorbed rich kid club, the show was sent into a downward spiral of suck that now needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. Wait a few episodes before writing the obituary, people.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Here's the link for the VM premiere...

    by DanielKurland

    http://tv.msn.com/tv/tvbuzz If anyone can tell me why the video won't play (I'm on a Mac), I'd be very grateful. Also, check out www.helpmeveronica.com, pretty interesting.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Rosenthall

    by Barry Egan

    I thought Rosenthall's eps were some of the strongest from last season. I thought season 6 was overall pretty weak. Like most aging series, the story lines were peppered with unlikely situations to put the characters through dramatic paces. For instance, April isn't a character. She is a plot device.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Let us all mourn GG :^(

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    A once great show has fallen. 1st 3 seasons will always be classic. Once Logan gets added to the mix, there was nowhere to go but downhill imo. He changed everything that the show was previously about. The 'real' Rory would have stayed far away from a jerk like him. April last season was the icing on the sharks head.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Mars opening credits

    by Barry Egan

    Speaking of, this is a pretty cool fan-made credits sequence putting VMars to the old Buffy theme: http://youtube.com/watch?v=KnT1ba8fZ5I&mode=related&search=

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Fucking MSN...

    by DanielKurland

    Apparently you need Microsoft Media Player 10 to view the file, which you can't get on a Mac. If anyone knows of a separate file somewhere, or a way to bypass this, I'd be interested. Thanks.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Herc where were the spoilers?!?!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    My girlfriend hates GG so I probably won't be watching, you should ruin a bit more of the plot! ;^)

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Wheres the talkback for Mars?

    by radjac33

    Does one really have to wait for the network release? Veronica frak count in thsi epi= 2

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Wheres the talkback for Mars?

    by radjac33

    Does one really have to wait for the network release? Veronica frak count in thsi epi= 2

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Seems Like the Hating is SOLEY Due to the PallaGoners

    by Deandome

    Last year SUCKED, BECAUSE the Palladinos were fucking it up...either on purpose (much-bandied theory), or just cuz they got fulla themselves. This NEEDED new blood...but Herc & the other Haters are still wearing their Palladino-tinted glasses & woulda ripped this show if Whedon & Sorkin teamed up to write it (well..that might be a mess...). They're ripping the suits...not the show!! There are enough positive reviews to confirm that this episode and this series will be fine...probably/inevitibly BETTER than anything from last year.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    oops

    by radjac33

    Ok the frak count is 3

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Season 3 Intro

    by nemesisdarkside

    I knew of the Dandy Walhols remix a few weeks ago, but hadn't heard it over the new title graphics.<BR>At first I started to miss the old opening credits. However, after watching it a few times, I have to admit I'm getting use to it.<BR>Makes the show seem real noir-ish. Dark and gritty. :)<BR>The bit with Mac and Wallace sitting in the dinner looks cool. Unfortunately the bit where the "Veronica Mars" logo comes up, at first the background is of LoVe on a boat(before V and Keith @ Mars Ivestigations).<BR>Now, while this isn't a bad thing, I can just sense those shippers getting wet and using that part as an avatar.<P>I can't stand rabid shippers!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Deandome

    by gorillaskull

    I agree last season blew. The finale came across as cliche and stupid. I saw it coming a mile away. My wife recently watched the finale and was taken back by how it ended, by simply saying, "That was stupid of her". A year ago I wanted to know the answer to the big question, "Luke will you marry me?". This year I could care less. ut Ill give it a few episodes before I change the channel to another network, now that CW allows me to watch in primetime and not at midnight like years past.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Gilmore Girls is for chicks

    by JJ Teegarden

    So is Harry Potter. Grow a pair.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Fuck this... Veronica Mars is on MSN and it's good.

    by Mr. Profit

    The entire 1st episode of the new season. Surprised Herc didn't say anything yet. The new ep is good. And I like the new title sequence.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Spoilers!

    by Hercules

    There's a rocket ship! And Luke's Diner is destroyed, but not by the rocket ship!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Poor Little Herc, are your girlie breasts...

    by Borgnine JR

    ....weeping with milk over the loss of your beloved GG? Don't worry, soon your body will blossom into womanhood and you'll be too busy with boys to miss Rorelai.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Veronica!

    by CatVutt

    Yeah, where's the TB?!? REALLY solid season premiere, definitely more low-key than last year's marathon wrap-up/relaunch premiere, while still maintaining a healthy amount of carryover from last season...very smartly doesn't even try to touch on every single plotline dangling from last season. Love having Mac full-time now...but to be honest, she's not terribly well-written in this Ep. If you hadn't seen the show before, you wouldn't really get a very good sense of the character. Let's hope that improves. As far as the new credits...I dunno. Didn't 'wow' me, but maybe they'll grow on me after I see 'em in full-size and resolution.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 2:22 p.m. CST

    I saw the Veronica Mars premiere weeks ago ...

    by Hercules

    Actually I saw the first two episodes. SPOILERS!! They're great, and the best thing about them is Veronica learns what "frak" means in 3.1 then keeps using the term instead of "fuck" in 3.2! Hopefully she'll keep it up till the series finale.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 3:01 p.m. CST

    The Palladinos were fucking with the network

    by FluffyUnbound

    In two ways: First, they wanted a 2 year contract, and Graham and Bledel are only around for 1 year. Second, it has been clear for some time that the Palladinos were pissed at the network [and the fans] for pressuring them into making Luke and Lorelai hook up. They did in fact have an ending planned for the series, and it was bringing Lorelai back to Christopher. The network wouldn't have let them do that. That's why they did their best to deliberately fuck the show up in the last half season - they were like people being evicted for not paying their mortgage who decide to trash the place while the court orders are in motion. You could get Andrew Dice Clay and Carrot-top to write this season and it couldn't be worse than season 6.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    For the lucky non-Mac users...

    by DanielKurland

    Did Thomas write the premiere? And I've heard that Logan isn't written well in the episode. Your thoughts?

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Answering my own questions here...

    by DanielKurland

    Looks like Thomas wrote the premiere, with Ruggiero writing 3.2. Can't think of a better way to start off the season.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Fluffy, you know jack and shit about what happened.

    by LordEnigma

    If you paid attention to the right places. You would know that Lauren has an option for an eighth season. That's right...Lauren has an option. The reason why they are yet to announce another season is...KIMBERLY ALEXIS BLEDEL has to decide if she wants to carry on for another year. As she has said. If she has fun then she will think about one more year. So, ASP and DP, were right in wanting a season eight. Since they were only ONE ACTRESS away from making it a reality. They parted ways with Warners because of MONEY. If you doubt this then go read Ausiello's ASP AND DP EXIT INTERVIEW. They wanted to delegate more this season and next season. They wanted to hire a full-time director to give the show a cohesive look to it. They also wanted to hire more writers. Basically, for 5 million bucks, Warners wanted the Palladinos to do what they have been doing for years...EVERY FUCKING THING THEMSELVES. They did not feel like giving that much of themselves and left. They left the HEIR APPARENT in Rosenthal and he got the job. So, it has nothing to do with your ridiculous TWOP conspiracy theories that involved Lorelai and Chris getting together. Lauren hereself has said that ASP wanted to put Luke and Lorelai together at the end of the show. They left because Warners wanted to work them to the edge again and they had had enough.//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Finally, Herc, did you like Super Cool Party People from season six? If you did, then WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? Rosenthal wrote that entire episode. He was his test for this season. If you liked that episode and felt it to be GG, then what the fuck man? Where's the loyalty? This is GILMORE GIRLS. The HEIR APPARENT is running the show that the KING AND QUEEN WOULD HAVE LET HIM RUN THIS YEAR.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    nooooooooo!!!

    by Snowden's Secret

    It is as everyone feared. The magic is gone. It's a sad, sad day for television greatness. What a great show it was (except for last season?). What a perfect marriage of writing with actors. What a terrible shame. Was it done anyway? Did ASP have no more magic left based on last season's forced plotlines?

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST

    DK-Logan

    by CatVutt

    It's not that Logan wasn't particularly well-written, he just didn't have much to do. He seemed a little vacant, but that's not terribly surprising. No high school-to-college transition problems for V, though...very unBuffy-like there. It's established right from the opening scene that she knows her shit, and isn't intimidated by the new environment.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    vm myspace?

    by thequiet

    have you guys seen this? www.myspace.com/veronicamarscw i'm making her my friend to spread the word. how do we get her more friends?

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    VM ep was frakkin' awesome.

    by nemesisdarkside

    "A Saturn for a Mars"<BR>"In Neptune!, the planets aligned..., now move Uranus, coz Mercury's Rising"<BR>(I know I've misquoted, but I closed the window and can't be bothered to load it back up)<P>"It's a white man's sport!" and many more.<P>Frak me, I really love this show. At first it wouldn't play, (due to my British-ness) but that God for proxy servers! ;P<P>I really hope this show does well.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:05 p.m. CST

    oops

    by nemesisdarkside

    "...but THANK God for proxy servers!"

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Gilmore Girls As A Lead-In...Please Watch VM!

    by Darth Fabulous

    My question is: Will GG as a lead-in potentially hasten the demise of VM if it continues to be completely creatively bankrupt? Also, when Herc mentions "series finale" in his post above it frakkin' scares the shit out of me. Oh, my 46x60 VM "Free To Be Fearless" CW promo featuring the lovely Ms. Bell came today...please watch VM!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Hey! It was a good episode.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    There is hope in Stars Hollow again. Apparently, a Palladino-free show is a good thing. I haven't been this excited for the Gilmore Girls in two years. Way to go CW network!

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Oh, that episode of The Twilight Zone they referenced

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    is amazing. Robert Lansing is simply stunning in it. Such a heartbreaking ending, though, I can't help wonder if it portends something bad for Logan and Rory.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Exact. Same. Show.

    by brainsssss

    Herc, I always loved that someone on this site would review GG, but you're way off, man. It's the same fucking show. The same. Sure, the Exec Producer credit is different at the end of the show, but all the content is the same. Didn't you like "Super Cool Party People"? Same thing. Just lighten up and take this "new" show as it is: ultimately the same as before.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    That's it.

    by The-Warrior

    Dear Gilmore Girls, Fuck you. I quit. Sincerely, The Warrior. See you in Hell.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    I'm so gay for watching this...

    by Darth_Nader

    Two things I noticed right off the bat, first off ASP's influence is definitely missed. The show doesn't pop like it used to. Secondly I could see where they were trying to shoehorn in some 'catch up' themes for people who may have never seen the show before. Man, they were also a little heavy handed on the symbolism. Lorelei in an empty house, Luke's diner getting destroyed. The racketball thing was completely out of place and out of character. Also, of everything Taylor has done, how can he expect to keep his job now? Also, since Luke knows Kirk has alot of money (remember the Twigham house), he should sue him now, but I'm sure this will all get blown over. As for the episode, let me boil it down for you. Lorelei is now a bitch, Rory is a moron, Logan is about to grow up way faster than Rory will be able to stand, Christopher is a dick, and Luke is probably better off now. Gilmore's, you're on notice.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    The..ah..the.. ah..that's all folks

    by harrys_site_sucks

    That's how WB cartoons used to end with Porkey Pig. The end of the WB network should have been the end of G.G. Season 7 premire? Pure rubbish.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST

    www.helpmeveronica.com

    by DanielKurland

    The password to Veronica's files is "cindy". Someone please figure out the code to the e-mails though, so I can know if there is of ANY value to it.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 11:12 p.m. CST

    palladino gave rosenthal no chance

    by Bob C. Cock

    she had lorelai become this retard with no ability to tell luke what's on her mind and then left it up to rosenthal to try and clean up the stupid mess. palladino has fucked up way harder in previous seasons (first year at college anyone?), so i will stick with this show until i can't stand lorelai anymore and punch her face through my tv.

  • Sept. 26, 2006, 11:54 p.m. CST

    that ratings thing

    by radjac33

    Wouldn't it be better if the ratings for Mars was actually higher than GGs

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Code.

    by CatVutt

    Christ..."Beware Greeks" is probably a key of sorts, but I'll be damned if I feel like trying to sort the damn thing out at this time of night.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    The apogee of many shows

    by The Selecter

    is reached when the two main characters hook up. From then onward, it's just a matter of time until the whole thing burns up or hits bottom. New VM next week. Yay!

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Saw the VM premiere...

    by DanielKurland

    And it's really good. Every character is spot on, along with underlying repercussions from last season. What I loved was that the show is now in college, but it didn't focus that it was on college. It didn't draw attention to it, or make it a huge deal, it just happened. And when a show makes a transition like that, that is exactly what I needs to do.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    The GG opener was great

    by ChorleyFM

    There was practically no difference. The same people that were really pissed last year will be pissed at the ending, but there was very little else Rosenthal could do. With him handling the dialogue and Rina Mimoum helping with the plotting, I think this will be a very good year, probably the best year of a show after the creators leave.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Definitely a Good Episode!

    by SamuelLappDance

    I thought Rosenthal did a terrific job digging out from the mess of Season 6's finale. The episode did what all great GG episodes do in weaving in comedy and drama with witty dialogue and multiple storylines. Smartly, Rosenthal brought in a lot of the side characters like Kirk and Sookie and Paris to keep it from being too heavy-handed with the Lorelai, Luke, and Christopher threeway. And No April!!! Seriously, even if it wasn't up to par with "Gilmore" in its prime (how could it be with no Richard and Emily?), this is still some of the liveliest writing and acting on the tube. Count me convinced. The new show runners have the right stuff.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    download VM

    by reinhold

    http://vixenontheedge.com/vm/vm0301.zip Don't know if you still need WMP 10, though.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Um...Herc? The GG S7 opener was as good as all of S6

    by SpyGuy

    <p>I'm serial. My wife and I have watched GG regularly since halfway through Season 1 and the Season 7 opener was just fine. The Babette sequence at the beginning was great, Paris is her standard fascist dictator-in-training self, and the whole thing with Kirk plowing Taylor's car into Luke's diner was a genuinely "holy crap" moment.</p> <p>The only problems with the episode? 1) Lorelai's fucked-up rationalizing for banging Christopher as revenge for being backburnered while Luke deals with his newly-discovered daughter. 2) No appearances by Richard and Emily, or Lane and Zack. (At least Lane and Zack were given the honeymoon explanation.) 3) Luke did not deck Taylor, who definitely has it coming, or at least sue his ass. All in all, though, the Palladinos dug this craphole in Season 6 and now it's up to Rosenthal to raise the show out of it or it's done by May of '07, Season 8 contract options or not.</p>

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    It Was Last Year Anyway

    by Roboteer

    Strictly a lame duck paycheck year for a show that had run its course, Palladino or not. Ended for me last season when they showed a poster for Hugo Chavez' favorite hate America Commie author, Noam Chomsky. Like Paris would hang THAT trash on her wall. Talk about going from hip to hacks. When did they get that stupid? Ooooh, and "Bush is such an idiot" jokes? As Hitchens said, that's become the joke that stupid people still find amusing. Every time GIRLS tried to slip in some political posturing, it took the characters out of the story with a resounding clang. And smart dialog matters little when the characters act so clueless and self-destructive. Story threads the last couple of years that consisted only of who's turn is it to be dumb & dysfunctional. GIRLS is over and done. Goodbye Lorelei. Don't look for Bledsoe to have much of a career beyond GG and Graham, though great, her best years are behind her. But welcome back Veronica. THE new queen of smart/hip TV.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Lorelai is a whore!!!

    by irata2006

    She doesn't deserve Luke, who's an hinest, decent guy - and he doesn't jump into bed with someone else as soon as the relationship hits a bump in the road. I hope he ends up with the Sheryl Lee Fenn character (April's mom.) She's twice as hot as Lorelai, plus she can do that thing with her tongue. :)

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Wow...that was just sad

    by twitchinmonkey

    I sat through the entire episode and didn't laugh once. Lorelei getting hit in the face with a raquetball?...that's what's passing for humor on this show now? This is the bizarro world Gilmore girls, they still talk fast, but now they're not actually saying anything, just ramblings that are devoid of any of the shows wit or cleverness. Last season was the shows worst, but it wasn't awful, just inconsistent, good at times, bad at times, medoicre at times. I was holding out hope that new blood might be what the show needed to get back on track...boy, was I wrong. House is off for the next month because of baseball, so, since there's absolutley nothing else watchable in this timeslot, I'll give it a couple of more weeks, but my expectations are pretty low at this point.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    new title

    by harrys_site_sucks

    "Gilmo' Ho's" Nuff said

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    new title

    by harrys_site_sucks

    the show should be renamed "Gitmo' Ho's" , that was torture watching that bitch shit on Luke.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Needs less Good Morning Miami

    by ghj

    It was a decent episode, which is what I was expecting. There were funny parts for sure and I liked the Twilight Zone reference. And the cast is so good by now they can make almost anything work. However, the plotting felt a little contrived. (I mean, the racquetball thing was cute, but you could tell it was just a writer trying to stick in a quirky Gilmore moment. And where did they get that racquetball gear?) Overall, it felt like a collection of Gilmore scenes but not quite a cohesive episode. Also - random comment - I thought the acts were ending on weird notes. The runs of dialogue were usually a reasonable facsimile of Gilmore-speak -- better, I thought, when it didn't feel like they were consciously trying to do Gilmore dialogue. I agree with USA Today -- that car and bumper speech was long and fast but not remotely clever. (And am I crazy or did it seem like everyone was yelling a lot?) Like everyone else, I watched "Super Cool Party People" closely last year and will certainly agree that it was good. But you've got to remember that one of the Palladinos did a re-write on every GG script, and I'm sure did some heavy editing on the dialogue. My fear is that the show will devolve into sit-commy plots and humor. (The red-light camera thing was borderline for me.) Which would be a sad way for this show to go out. I guess the bottom line is it's not the same as before, it can't be the same, and if it's going to be a good show as it moves forward, it will have to be good in its own new way. But the first six seasons approached greatness on more than a few occasions, so the new staff has its work cut out.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Title references

    by ghj

    Also, not sure what I think of two self-consious title references in one episode. "The Long Morrow" and "The Prodigal Daughter Returns."

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Danes' Pains And Automobiles by Robin Honig, TV Guide

    by Barry_Woodward

    No matter how many inn reservations Luke Danes made, no matter how much cool stuff he packed for a romantic honeymoon, no matter how long he stood there with those puppy-dog eyes begging for forgiveness, nothing called off his quickie wedding plans faster than Lorelai’s one line: “I slept with Christopher.” Even I was equally blindsided by her flat, emotionless admission. But that’s probably because I was watching the entire episode on the edge of my couch, judging every line, analyzing every shot, hoping our girls would be handled with care by new show-runner David Rosenthal. But when the screen went dark, and the credits flashed, my eyes immediately welled up. (Yeah, yeah, I’m a big softie. You guys knew that already.) But you know what? Those tears were really, really good news. The show is going to be OK. Actually, it’s going to be way, way better than OK. David got it down right out of the gate! The real Lorelai never minced words when she was hurting, so of course she was going to tell Luke as bluntly as possible. The new guy also nailed the fast-paced dialogue. (Sookie running around the kitchen extolling her forearm strength, Paris cutting down a mom whose kid needed SAT tutoring.) He also worked in the funny pop-culture refs: Rory: So Logan and I were on the couch... Lorelai: Wah, wah, wah! Rory: Chachi? Lorelai: Proud! And he included the bizarre hilarity that is Stars Hollow. (Kirk crashing Taylor’s classic 1964 Ford Thunderbird into Luke’s Diner after being blinded by the newly installed “auto patrol” camera flashes.) But most importantly, he worked well with several subtleties, an Amy Sherman-Palladino specialty. That car wreck wasn’t just a ha-ha moment. When the tow-truck driver asked Luke about taking out the car or waiting for the insurance guy to show, he got the same angry diatribe from the night before: “Don’t pressure me! I don’t like to be pressured. It’s not one or the other. Give me time to think.” Not much to think about, actually: The T-Bird/Lorelai had to be removed from the diner/Luke, and both need to be fixed. Want some more symbolism? Did you Google that ep of the Twilight Zone? Yep, it exists, and it’s a perfect allegory for both Logan and Rory, and Luke and Lorelai: two couples who try to stay in sync for all the right reasons but just can’t seem to get the timing right. Will it take 40 years? We have one season, hopefully more, to find out. I can’t wait.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Exactly what the fuck was the logic in....

    by Mr. Profit

    Playing a repeat of "Runaway" after Gilmore? They SHOULD have shown Veronica Mars. And on Sunday when they showed about 2 billion episodes of Chris, they could have showcased Veronica Mars standout episodes from season 1 and 2 instead. But whatever. The CW is kinda shitty with promotions. And why is there "Free To Be" campaign so cheap looking? I remember the WB ads being glossier. This shit looks like UPN promotion having a retarded baby with a Sprite commercial.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    My 60 year old mother watches Gilmore Girls...

    by slone13

    ...her and I don't have very similar taste in our television viewing.

  • Sept. 27, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    A little too harsh there, Herc?

    by xtofer

    The show was decent. I'm not sure what you're complaining about, and I'm not too convinced you saw the same episode as me. I mean, there were moments of laugh-out-loud hilarity in that episode. And by the way, have you ever seen a making of a tv show? Amy didn't make the entire show the way it was. Sure, she created it, but whatever; there are a group of writers that made the show a hit, not just one. Keep that in mind. I mean, christ-hanging-off-the-cross, you're overreacting to this.

  • Sept. 29, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST

    Worst. Show. Ever.

    by orangebrownie

    I lose a bit of my soul whenever I'm channel surfing and come upon this crappy show.

  • Sept. 29, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST

    Wow -- there goes Veronica Mars.

    by AnnoyYou

    Rob Thomas and the network were banking on VM riding the coattails of GG -- guess that won't happen now. Well, it's not like Thomas doesn't deserve it. Last season's VM sucked and it should have been cancelled in May.

  • Sept. 29, 2006, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Palladino leaving make that much of a difference?

    by Bass Ackwards

    This isn't like Sorkin leaving West Wing, Sorkin practically wrote every single episode of that show, there was no way for the show to be the same after he left. Having a different show runner may edge the show in a slightly different direction, but with so many people who have input into the show still being there, I don't think her departure will be anywhere near as radical as Sorkin's.

  • Sept. 29, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I thought it was just fine

    by xrae

    I've been a GG fan since S1 and thought this opener was just fine. What would have made it better? Luke and/or Lorelai waking up in the shower to realize the whole April mess was just a dream. But what can you do? You take what you've been given and move on. My biggest complaint -- what the hell was up with that Michele subplot? Can someone give this man something to do??? He has had the least character development of anyone on the show. I like Luke & Lorelai (not necessarily together), but have always secretly rooted for Lor & Christopher. Don't ask me why.

  • Oct. 2, 2006, 2:53 a.m. CST

    The reason GG "felt" different

    by Phantom Einstein

    They had more camera setups. ASP didn't do a lot of editing and she wasn't into closeups. In the premiere, each scene was comprised of a lot more shots. And the lighting just wasn't as rich. So now the show looks like any other show. I'd be fine with that, but I want the old lighting. But it's always going to be a trade off because the scripts are so dense.