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SUPERMAN LIVES stuff...
Folks, here's a fairly cool development in the Superman film... IF TRUE, and I'm not gonna say it is, till I get more word on this Alex Ford reworking and where that stands. Personally, I like that angle best of all, if true. The latest I have heard is that SIMON WEST (CON-AIR) is the leading candidate for the director's chair for this film. I'm sure you all have an opinion on that as well as this scoop here....
JON PETERS commissioned writers such as AKIVA GOLDSMAN, KEVIN SMITH, RONALD
BASS, DAN GILROY and ALEX FORD to rework the SUPERMAN project.
All of them
polished the existing script except FORD, an avid comic fan who wrote an
entirely new draft with the premise this would be the first in an ongoing
franchise.
FORD's theory is not to kill off villains (as in the BATMAN
films)
and plot out character development and storylines so the series knew where
it
was going rather than one film at a time. He firmly believed killing
SUPERMAN
in the first installment was pointless and preferred it be done somewhere
around the sixth film (where the franchise may need a shot in the arm). He
plotted a "franchise map" of where the series should go (a brief synopsis of
villains goes something like: I: METALLO, II: BIZARRO, III: BRAINIAC, IV:
SILVER BANSHEE, V: MR MXYPTLK with VI being THE DEATH OF SUPERMAN and ending
with SUPERMAN dead (in a nod to HAN SOLO in THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK) and
resurrecting him and completing the story with VII: an adaption of the DEATH
sequel HUNTER/PREY and including DARKSEID (and suggested VING RHAMES and I
thought this was a great idea). LUTHOR would be featured in most of these
films in some form or another (he compared him to BLOFELD in the BOND
movies)
but is adamantly against the TWO-VILLAIN formula which he believes has
killed
the BATMAN franchise.
PETERS had no idea who these villains were and
rejected
the idea for deviating from the original parameters but not before a draft
was
completed.
HARRY NOTE: This sounds accurate as hell given Jon Peters is the guy who didn't know who Kal-el was, and wanted friggin POLAR BEARS to guard the Fortress of Solitude, he nixed the heroes turning out for Supes' funeral.... ARGH!!! Somebody at Warners, get this property and project out of his Hands PLEASE!!! Now back to Megadeath Dc...
I have read this draft and it is amazing.
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Superman is an easy target to make into a shit film. The thinking behind Superman Lives and in particular Kevin Smith's script seems to be the only way this will work. Quit fucking about with sequels and trilogies and whatever and concentrate on resurrecting a plot that's been as good as fucking dead for 15 years or more.
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I hope to God this is bull. Sliver Banshee?!?! Myzxpltkz(spelling?) as a villain for a whole movie?!?! Somebody rescue the DC's characters from Warner Bros. Has everybody in Hollywood been attached to this movie yet? You know why did Mallick do Thin Red Line when Superman Lives was available. You know I was hyped like a year ago when I first read Smith's draft. Which was flawed, but a step in the right direction. WB has killed the Batman franchise and their plan for the Sandman movie almost made toss my comp out the window. Jeez, now Marvel's Punisher and Captain America movies seem more respectable then the last 3 Batman movies. Hey at least we have Blade, and The Crow, with X-Men and Mystery Men coming up.
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Everyone constantly mentions Kevin Smith's version of the script, and I just don't get it. I know I'm blaspheming here, but it was about as retarded as retarded could get. I couldn't even finish the damn thing. If I was reading the correct script, it seemed like one wise crackin' episode of "Differn't Strokes," with nifty special effects. But I guess that's what's in nowadays.
I mean, we could sit here and hope very talented people get involved with this project, and actually produce something watchable, but, in my opinion, they should let it sink. It'll just turn into another summer event film that can be summed up in it's thirty second trailer.
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Firstly, I think this is the most exciting news I have i've heard with regards to the Superman Lives project for a long time. Sounds like Alex Ford has not only displayed previously unseen enthusiasm for the Superman movie, but also has a unique and exciting vision. Let's hold thumbs for him.
Secondly, I am no expert on the political machination behind Hollywood, but why the FUCK does a comic illiterate a-hole like Peters get put in charge of this production. Surely Warner must realise that it is impossible for Peters to make an informed judgement on who the director, screenwriter or actors should be when he obviously doesnt know Superman from Adam.
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FINALLY, somebody with some gonads is mentioned in connection to the Superman film. Whether you like all the villains or not (I love Mxyzptlk, but I have doubts that he could carry an entire movie) just the CONCEPT of an ongoing storyline running through the films is the smartest idea I've heard yet. Warner Bros should wise up and give Ford's stuff to a director who could handle it. Come on guys, at least admit this is infinitely better then anything Peters or (shudder) Burton has in mind for the big "S". Oh, and by the way, I seriously doubt Warner Bros will give up the DC rights, seeing as how Time-Warner OWNS DC Comics. Why would they send their properties to another studio? That'd be like Paramount giving the Star Trek francise to Miramax(which, I have to admit, I sometimes think would be a good idea.)
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Don't these stupid Warner execs even know that an animated show exists right now. I mean they own the show and your telling me they don't even watch it?????????
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Peters isn't the first numbskull to be given the reins of Superman who didn't know what he was doing or anything about the character's background. Nor is the the first to refuse to research the comics. Brad Buckner, one of the two people brought on to Lois & Clark after its first two good years, had an interview with a fan group. The interviewer asked him if we'd be seeing other characters from the comics. His reply was like "What, you mean Batman and Spider-Man?" Maybe years and years from now, someone who actually CARES about the project and not lining his wallet will get a chance to produce Superman movies.
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If Jon Peters doesn't know who these villains are (since they're the basic Superman villains and are all currently on the animated show except Silver Banshee I think) then someone needs desperately to relieve him of this project and give it to someone else who will do it justice. There's nothing I would like more but to see a Superman franchise that goes campy and bad by the fourth installment. But I think Brainiac would need to be brought in before the third episode.
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drews script-o-rama seems to have died. Does anyone know where there are some good scripts online?
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I also read the incredible Elliot and Rossio Sandman treatment was and can't believe nothing's been done with it. Why does this guy still have a job?????????????? Harry, Does this fuck have a EMail address?
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IF ANYONE FROM WARNERS IS READING THIS WHY CAN'T THEY WORK IT OUT ABOUT THIS GUY !!!!!!!!
THIS GUY IS NOT YOUR RECIPE FOR COMIC-BOOK/FILM SUCCESS,BATMAN WAS A SMASH HIT BECAUSE OF THE HYPE, OTHERWISE IT WAS AN AVERAGE FILM, PETER'S......HE'S..... I CAN'T EVEN SAY ANYTHING ABOUT HIM, IT WOULD'NT BE ABLE TO SUM UP WHAT I'VE READ/HEARD ABOUT HIM AS A CHARACTER. -
HI ! ME AGAIN ! LOOK, LETS TRY AND TELL WARNERS OUR POINT OF VIEW, I MEAN LETS BLITZ THEM WITH HUNDREDS OF E-MAILS OF HARRY'S POSTER ABOUT PETERS OR SOMETHING (MAYBE THOUSANDS !!!!!!!) TELL THEM!!! BLITZ THEM!!! SOMETHING !! AAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHH!!!!! PETERS AAAAGGGGGHHHHH !!!!!!! (sorry this man has been taken to hospital with 'Petersitis' and cannot continue this E-Mail....thanks John, look what you've done now !)
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Whoah ! back again !
CLASSIC PETERS COMMENT :
'At first we wanted Bill Murray for Batman.....'
THIS GUY OBVIOUSLY UNDERSTOOD THAT CHARACTER VERY WELL !!!!!
(AH HA, AHHA HAHAHAH.!!!!!!HAHAHA AHAHA AHAHAA A HAHAHAA AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!!!!
AAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!! )
P.S. : LOVED THE LATEST SCREENWRITERS IDEAS, THEY ARE WHAT THIS PROJECT NEEDS ! (I mean that.) -
A Superman movie ain't happening. Oh, they'll probably make some worthless piece of celuloid shit, dispatch it to us with the tarnished brown WB shield at the beginning and call it "Superman (whatever)," but it won't be Superman. I admit, Ford's idea is interesting, though as others have said, the Superman rogues gallery isn't strong enough for one single villain to carry a whole film. But I guess that's why Luthor was to be kept alive. Still, even if they get a script that works the way it should(as likely to happen as it was for Jack Frost to not suck on ice so long as Peters is in charge), there isn't a single star in Hollywood who could play Superman. This means they'd need an unknown....and with Warner Brothers we KNOW that ain't going to happen.
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I heard there was an ant in Peter's office the other day and he crawled over the latest draft of 'superman' on Peter's desk.
Anyway one Warner's exec was heard saying that the ant understood about the draft better than
Peters !!!!!!!! -
I heard there was an ant in Peter's office the other day and he crawled over the latest draft of 'superman' on Peter's desk.
Anyway one Warner's exec was heard saying that the ant understood about the draft better than
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Did'nt mean to send that last message twice, but maybe it will have more impact that way.......
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I like the basic concept of Ford's idea, plotting out a general outline of the fanchise before starting, I think he's a bit off base. I mean Mxyplk is fun for a one shot comic or episode, but he cannot carry a movie. This is how I would plan this out...
Movie 1 - Retell the origin of Superman and don't give him anyone particularly powerful to go against. Some generic terrorist (funded by our backround Luthor, of course) could work for this. Part of the point would be to establish that Superman could not do everything like he could in the earlier movies.
Movie 2 - Bring in Metallo and re-establish kryptonite.
Movie 3 - Next up would be Brainiac. Having him follow Metallo allows you to have him start off as an alien but undergo the same transfer to an android body for the climax of the movie.
Movie 4 - This one's tougher, but you need some one magical to fit in here. I suspect that this is why Ford chose the Silver Banshee, but there's got to be someone better than that.
Movie 5 - General Zod and his pals, only play this more as the comic. Especially at the end having Superman forced to execute them in order to prevent their eventual escape.
Movie 6 - Death of Superman. At this point, when Superman is feeling bad about being forced to execute the earlier group have Doomsday show up and end with Superman's death.
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Just get the damn film made so I can moan about it then. Oh yeah, and "what is this?" bloke, guy. Don't knock Bill Murray. He ROCKS! He'd make a cool Superman!
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Hell, everyone like a bit of Bill Murray now and then, but cast as BATMAN? No way. Bruce Cambell - there's your perfect Batman.
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I'm gonna say it again - Hell, everyone likes a bit of Bill Murray now and then, but cast as BATMAN? No way. Bruce Cambell - there's your perfect Batman. OK?
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Akiva Goldsman was never commissioned to do a draft of SUPERMAN LIVES. Your information (as is often the case) is simply wrong.
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Come on. Tell me this is a lie. Tell me Peter's didn't turn his back on someone with such a wonderful plan for the revival of the Superman franchise. Sure, maybe we don't all agree with some of the villians, but this guy has a plan, and outline, and he knows the COMIC BOOKS!!! JON PETERS IS FLUSHING YOUR FRANCHISE DOWN THE TOILET, WARNER BROS.!!! If this rumor is true, you need no further indication that this man needs to be stopped!!!
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the first thing i though of when i saw bill murray mention in this context was luthor. i think he'd make a great luthor, but i'm not sure if we need that much humor in a role like this. of course, murray has shown that he can take on some more serious roles, i think he could pull off the evil genius thing pretty well.
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I think that any Superman franchise that comes out now will only disappoint. I loved the original I & II (despite the obivious mistakes only comic geeks would notice) I can live with Supes III, don't talk to me about IV. I would prefer to live with that franchise than be bitter about another failed attempt to bring comic books to the silver screen.
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"I want sharks! With frikin' lasers on their heads!"
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Everbody likes to bitch and moan on this site so I wanted to take a moment to tell Harry--way to go! Things have really been looking up lately! Keep coming with news like this on Superman, X-Men, etc. More sneaked looks at test screenings, more casting news and rumors! That's what we want! There's been WAY too much bullshit lately regarding Top 10 Lists and long, drawn out critical essays by Moriarty on films and scripts that bore us to tears! Keep with what made this site great in the beginning! Inside information on the movies that we love!
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Brenden Frasier as Superman...Or am I crazy?
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For God's sake...don't let them make another Superman film !
The first was good, the second slipped, the third sucked and the fourth bit the big one !
Why can't the numbnuts execs at Warners concentrate instead on making the first decent Batman movie of the decade ?
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I cannot believe that Warner Brothers is letting the opportunity to create a truly definitive Superman franchise slip through its fingers. What is so damn hard about getting a screenwriter and producer who are actual comic book fans to helm this picture? Jon Peters? He is the living embodiment of everything that is negative about Hollywood: a cheap, classless little hustler bereft of intellignce, culture, taste or talent(indeed, the very definition of a Hollywood producer). How anyone could entrust this creature with bringing to life one of America's greatest fictional heroes is absolutlely beyond me. Superman has a rich mythos that could yield a long-lived and intelligently written series of films, but as long as clueless producers keep seeing anything to do with superheroes as being "campy" or "just for kids," then comic book fans worldwide are condemned to a long and painful
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Jan 21, 1999 1:58:34 PM CST
See what others think of Peters -- here's an excerpt from the bo
by dennis
"On paper, Guber and Peters looked like genuine movie moguls. They were high-profile producers who had just made Batman, the largest-grossing film of all time, for Warner Bros. Their names were on such hits as Rain Man and The Color Purple. But the real players knew that Guber and Peters were hardly hands-on filmmakers. When Steven Spielberg made The Color Purple, he had a provision in his contract explicitly barring them from the set. Guber and Peters had visited the set of Rain Man only once, while the production chores were handled by director Barry Levinson's associate, Mark Johnson. When the picture won the Academy Award, Guber and Peters' got to neither collect nor keep the Oscar. They happily took credit for the film and had themselves photographed jubilantly brandishing a statuette. But they had to borrow it from writer Barry Morrow, who had won for best screenplay. Guber and Peters may have seemed an impressive pair, but their greatest gift was for promotion-- especially self-promotion. What was lacking was any credential or experience that would qualify them to run a major studio. Peters, perennially known as Barbra Streisand's former hairdresser, had never worked as a studio executive. He was a seventh-grade dropout and a reform-school ruffian. Many said he could barely read, and he certainly had never quite learned to control his violent temper. The ponytailed Guber at least had a law degree and he had done a stint as an executive at Columbia in the seventies-- until he was fired. He subsequently ran a fledgling production company financed by PolyGram. In short order, PolyGram lost $100 million and pulled out of the movie business. The two men were hardly untalented; they had an eye for material and a genius for packaging and selling their projects. But in an industry where avarice is not uncommon, Guber and Peters distinguished themselves for greed. They were grabbers who snatched up material, credit, and money, leaving a swath of dazed victims in their wake. Their first loyalty was always to themselves. It was an ethic that Japanese executives-- coming from a tradition of teamwork and long-term commitments to their firms-- could hardly be expected to grasp. Hollywood's surprise at Sony's hiring of Guber and Peters turned to stunned disbelief when the industry learned how much Sony had agreed to pay for their services. Warner boss Terry Semel said Guber confided that he wanted to "make more money than anyone in the history of the motion picture industry" and now he had come close. Aside from buying Guber and Peters's money-losing production company for $200 million-- about 40 percent more than its market value-- Sony gave the two a rich compensation package that included $2.75 million each in annual salary (excluding hefty annual bo- nuses), a $50 million bonus pool, and a stake in any increase in the studio's value over the ensuing five years. As soon as the ink on the deal was dry, Warner slapped Sony with a billion-dollar lawsuit. Guber and Peters had just signed a generous contract with that studio, but Sony had failed to review the agreement when it negotiated with them. Forced into a settlement worth as much as $800 million, Sony found that the expense of hiring Guber and Peters had gone up dramatically. And many in the movie business suspected that Sony's nightmare was only beginning. If Guber and Peters regretted that Sony had to cough up so much to hire them, they didn't show it by exercising restraint. They spent big from the start, setting off a round of inflation that is still taking a toll on the movie business today. Guber and Peters were about to take Sony on the wildest and most profligate ride that Hollywood had ever seen. For five years, Sony executives in Tokyo and New York would stand by while the studio lost billions and became a symbol for the worst kind of excess in an industry that is hardly known for moderation. There were box-office bombs, lavish renovations, and extravagant parties against a backdrop of corporate intrigue, expensive firings, and even a call-girl scandal. The ill-advised pairing of a Japanese corporation with a couple of Hollywood's cleverest rogues would culminate, as one insider delicately put it, in-- 'the most public screwing in the history of the business.'"
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I wish these idiots never would have taken Kevin Smitb off of the project, its so screwed up now that I don't wanna hear anything about it until the picture has been greenlighted. I want the Superman Lives film to be made don't get me wrong, but I am tired of hearing about Jon Peters (cocksucker) and all the other wild rumors and hubbub. Its nearly as bad ass this whole Monica whatshername scandal that is making our country the jackass of the world. All we can do is pray that Warner Bros. get their heads out of their asses and gets the superman film made. AND PLEASE GOD NO!!!! No more Batman movies unless Tim Burton directs them- I am tired of Gay Circus Batman Movies. Peace.
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Jon Peters ranks right up there on the sphincter scale with Akiva Goldsman, hoving at a 9.9. One more asinine manuever from either of them and up they go. How in the hell did Akiva get a job in this industry? Die, Goldsman, die. And I hope it's Peters who impales him with one of the left over icicles from the Batman and Robin set and then at the last second, for hates sake, Akiva pops up, pulls the icicle out of his empty, soulless chest, makes some lame ass one liner like, "Watch for thin ice!" and spits his last breath at thee (read: Peters) and stabs Peters in the top of the brain. End of story. Woof.
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Weasel here, again, speaking to you direct from The Fortress of Solitude. I just want to give a quick "thumbs up" to LaneMyers for the cogent analysis of the Christopher Reeve Superman films - yes, folks, they were abysmally bad when they premiered twenty years ago and twenty years of reruns have only confirmed this view as far as I'm concerned. The script was miserable dreck, the special effects are distractingly bad (You Will Believe A man Can Fly? I think not!) and as far as I'm concerned only Mr. Reeve's performance as Superman saved these exceptionally awful films. And, yes, LaneMyers, we are in accord on the Margot Kidder thing - what a disaster. What next, Rodney Dangerfield in drag? In my humble opinion, a much better choice than Ms. Kidder!
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This movie should be assigned to unknowns, with maybe a known playing the villan. That way, we won't have pre-formed opinions of the actors and it will be one less thing for us to bitch about.
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I think it's safe to say that most of us are damn tired of hearing about the failed attempts at making this "Superman Lives" film, and reading all that stuff about how Jon Peters actually thinks there will be SEVEN new "Superman" movies just makes me cringe. Who's to say that the first one will be a success? With all the bad press it's gotten, the new Supes movie could be a Hollywood miscue the likes of "Waterworld" or "Godzilla"--a film the public is biased against before it even comes out. I was excited about the film when Tim Burton, Nicolas Cage, and Kevin Spacey (THE MAN) were involved. Now I just don't care. Cameron needs to bring us "Spider-Man," dammit (with "Buffy's" Nicholas Brendon in the starring role)...
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I agree with the concept of killing off Superman as a way to revitalize the franchise...but not until the seventh movie. I really liked the original premise when Superman gets killed by Doomsday, and then Batman makes his appearance. I also liked Kevin Smith's treatment of adding appearances by Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash and the rest of the Justice League. It's a fanboy's dream movie. If there's one thing I would say to WB, it would be, 'DON'T LET AKIVA ANYWHERE NEAR THAT MOVIE'. The jerk singlehandly ruined the entire Batman franchise with that horrible piece of crap, 'Batman and Robin'. ARRGH! Please let Paul Dini write and direct the next movie for Superman and Batman. PLEASE!!!
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Ok, I don't read the comics that much, but I know a hell of a lot more than Peters. I know somewhat about Metallo, Brainiac, Doomsday, thatr damn imp. But WB is too stupid to realize that Peters is a joke, so Mr. Jon Peters is on the project, barring death. I think having Superman dead in between movies won't work, Superman is big, he's huge, but the series won't have the stability than Star Wars has. For Star Wars, people trust in the vision of George Lucas. For Superman, who's vision can we trust in? Jon Peters? Fuck that. So, here are my cool casting ideas for Superman movies. Bruce Campbell as Supes. Or maybe Dean Cain. Lex Luthor, let's bring in Patrick Stuart. He's bald, and he can play a convincing well-respected badass. Kinda like he did in Conspiracy Theory, but more evil. Of they could just use the Lois and Clark cast, without the baby crap and married L&C and shitty stories that plagued the show its last season. Did Jon Peters control the show for that season. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Unless Warner Brothers has a major overhaul they will be gone. The only thing they have left is "Dawson's Creek". CHOKE! CHOKE! Seriously, The WB Sucks!, Warner's Movies Suck, Warner Animation Suck's, They got rid of their digital department and the BIG KICKER IS THIS: A fucking two year old could make money producing neverending Batman and Superman movies but they (WB) have a Dick Smoker. Bat and Supes are a Mega-Franchise. Who could screw it up? Answer: Warner Brothers. Nuff Said!
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My word has it that all promotional materials for the project were recently ordered destroyed, and that WB had decided that $103.4 Million was indeed quite enough money to spend on a project that had produced not a single frame of film. How many times is this project going to be killed and revived? I hope that they move on to projects that they don't feel the need to kill every three months. Hard to recall many other projects where there had been so much info distributed that was just plain wrong. best, sterling
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In all honesty, if Batman and Robin had been half as good as the first two Superman movies, it would have been a fine movie. However, the Batman films have followed the evolution of Superman by being dead in the water after only four installments. Years ago, I hoped for a Superman 5, but now it don't mean spit to me if it's made or not. Also, from all the problems that have been happening with the script, it is probably a good idea to put the project to rest for a while. The last two Superman movies and Batman and Robin are perfect examples of how not-so-super these heroes are being treated by the powers that be. Unless some really good writers and directors are up to the task of making real Superman and Batman movies, they should just FORGET IT!!! Bring on the X-Men and Spiderman!!!
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A few quick points, my friends: A SUPERMAN film would have to please the "masses" and not just the Superman "community", so a script logically would NOT incorporate all these elements that you crave, as most of society would have no idea what is going on. Second: About this scoop mentioning that the new flicks would be like the BATMAN series in that the villains would not die. Well, I've seen 3 BATMAN movies, and I've seen 3 villains die, so already this scoop didn't make sense to me. Third: All this negative bashing (as opposed to the positive kind) aimed at Jon Peters doesn't seem to get him fired, if we are to believe that the Studios research sites like this to get fan reaction. So I agree that we need to "blitz" the Warners site with hate mail and call for Peter's firing. If only the Warners owners were quick on the trigger like Universal's! Visit my site http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Picture/3059/
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Just a few random thoughts on who Warners could hire to finally get this damn thing made, and probably on a decent budget...
Director:Richard Donner. He gave the original such an epic quality, why not let him have another crack at it? and for gods sake let Williams do the music.
Superman:Patrick Warburton (Puddy from Seinfeld)this may seem a little off center, but he has that "hero" look and he's already done Supes' voice in the American Express commercial.
Lois Lane:Courteney Cox
Perry White:John Mahoney (Frasier's pop)
Jimmy Olsen:Ethan Embry (the kid from Can't Hardly Wait and Dutch)
Lex Luthor:Kevin Spacey. I'm in complete agreement here.
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The fact is, this movie is Warner
Bros' toy. They are the rich kid who gets a toy they know nothing
about. The toy everyone on the block wants but can not have. The
brat will not share and due to
ignorrance breaks it to pieces.
WB hired Peters because they must
think he is a good business man.
It will make no difference who
directs. Peters is calling the shots and has from the beginning.
I highly doubt Burton ever had any
real involvment at all. Also he said many times in the past Batman was the only comic book character that interested him.
Also I think planning out sequels
in advance is a great idea. But
not around villians but themes and
stories. Possiblites:
1.Duality of Kent/Superman
2.alien nature
3.Superman's effect on humanity
And they villians should apear as
elements to a story. Most of Superman villians origin's are simple. They should not be part of the plot but referred as happening in the past. If you look at Star Wars you do not know everything about all the characters just their part to play in the story. While films focus on main characters.
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first off, Brendan Fraser as Superman???? ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............NO! Secondly, I'm stuck on the Bill Murray thing. I think he'd make a great Lex Luthor, But I think we should stick to forcing his ass into the next Ghostbusters film before anything else.
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THIS IS ME, 'WHAT IS THIS ?' HERE AGAIN. WHY CAN'T YOU GUYS EVEN READ MY SCOOP CORRECTLY !!!!!!!
I DID NOT SAY ONE THING ABOUT BILL MURRAY BEING IN THE SUPERMAN MOVIE !!!!! I WONDER WHAT HARRY DOES WHEN HE SNEEZES, GETS AFRAID THAT YOU GUYS WILL SAY ITS A KEY SOUND EFFECT FOR 'THE PHANTOM MENACE'. IF YOU READ MY BIT, IT IS SAYING ABOUT PETERS LOUSY CASTING IDEA AS MURRAY FOR 'BATMAN',(HE WANTED THIS ORIGINALLY) AND HOPING HE WOULD'NT DO A SIMILAR THING TO THE CENTRAL CASTING OF 'SUPERMAN' (HE APPARENTLY WANTED SEAN PENN IDEALLY, I MEAN TALK ABOUT MAKING A SIMILAR HUGE, HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING OF CHARACTER !)
ALSO,I WAS NOT KNOCKING MURRAY, FOR HIS DELIVERY AND TIMING ALONE I THINK HE'S NEAR COMIC GENIUS !!!!
PLUS, TO THE GUY WHO SAID BRUCE CAMPBELL FOR BATMAN, I'VE WISHED THAT FOR MANY YEARS.....GLAD TO SEE THERE'S SOMEONE ELSE.....
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Jan 23, 1999 6:25:35 PM CST
Now that Burton's gone (thank God), can we lose Peters, please?
by kingkrypton
I just have to say that I have a lot of respect for Alex Ford. At least he respects the Superman mythology and knows what the character needs. As for the notion of a seven-movie arc being "stupid," then how do you explain the Sean Connery James Bond films? Ford's Superman proposal seems very similar to the Bond franchise in terms of longevity. Sure, some of the Superman villains are pretty goofy, but if handled well they could really rock the house.
I, for one, am glad to see Tim "King of Pretentious Hacks" Burton off the project. The last thing we need is a ghoulish and morbid perversion of the Superman legend. But why does WB insist on letting Jon Peters--the Beavis to Burton's Butthead--produce this film? It's painfully obvious that he's never read the comics, never seen the previous films, never seen the current WB cartoon...what is this guy's problem? I mean, losing Burton was a step in the right direction, but keeping Peters is leaving half of the problem uncorrected!
My suggestion? Bring back Ford and use his scripts. Fire Peters, and if he and Burton try to get anywhere near this project again, have snipers put on the roof at WB and order them to shoot to kill should those two nitwits rear their ugly heads. Get Donner back to produce and direct. have Cage play one of the villains, and cast an unknown as Superman. Problem solved, we get a good movie and a new franchise, and Burton and Peters can go jump off a cliff for all I care. -
Jan 23, 1999 6:33:57 PM CST
Please do not let Nic Cage be Superman. I mean cpmepn he looks n
by stevie d
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I'm just curious to know that is it a big deal that Jon Peters doesn't know who those superman villians were? So he didn't know who Kal el was either. I've never heard of most of those villians, is that a big deal? The man is a hollywood producer, they don't care what comic fans say, they just make films. Film is a completely different medium to comics, certain things will work, others won't. Warners have to make a product for the mass market and that means compromising certain things. I would love to see a new Superman film that does have a heavier fantasy element than the previous films, but most studios don't copy comics, they use them as a source and make their own film. I think that people should stop whinging that the villians aren't faithful and be thankful that a film is actually being made. By the way Nic Cage would be a great Superman.
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Oh yeah i forgot to say, Tim Burton may be King of Pretentious, at least he'd bring enough of a demented edge to the proceedings that would seriously liven things up. Richard Donner seems too pedestrian a director to really give it that fantasy feel it needs, and I also think that Warners should hire Thom Yorke, Massive Attack and Jason Pierce to do a suitably angst ridden pre millenium tension soundtrack...that would kick ass.
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Luthor should be played by somebody huge who can do both the charm and evil and be bald and that man is john lithgow (3rd rock)
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