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Here is the link to Disney's Animated TARZAN Trailer!
Now that you have seen it... Let's talk about this a bit. It's stunning, it's gorgeous, it looks like nothing you've seen before. It has your heart speeding, the Phil Collins song is cool, gosh it's the cat's meow just all the way around.
I agree. I'm dying to see... THAT movie. That movie is exactly what I want to see, a balls to the wall TARZAN film minus the cutesy poo and the annoying voiced Bronx accented Rosie O'Donnell ape.
I've seen TARZAN, in fact I've seen two different versions, and believe me, animated films change a lot through their various stages, I just hope that it continues to change between now and release. TARZAN is my favorite of the modern Disney animated films. Glen Keane's work animating that ape man is just unmatched. I've never ever seen character animation so dynamic and powerful.... he's a true master at the absolute heighth of his abilities and it is STUNNING.
The story of the film is great, the music is their best ever, the romance between Jane and Tarzan is PERFECT. But it has that damn GREASE-IS-THE-WORD hairstyled girlrilla named Rosie O'Donnell that acts like the biggest ingrown hair on your ass you've ever seen. Between the first print and the second print I saw, her performance was... toned down a bit, and what I'm hoping is that they can slowly and surely remove the eye and earsore that Rosie's character bleeds in a nearly mortal wound on screen.
Believe it or not, this isn't an anti-Rosie O'Donnell bit. You see I've enjoyed her work on film. They always cast her perfectly. Her television show, while quite lite, is enjoyable... hell ROBOGEEK swears by it. If I ever had a part for her, I'd give it to Garofalo, who can usually do everything Rosie does, but with more subtlety and heart. You see, in TARZAN, Rosie represents the shiny penny that reminds you this film was minted in 1999, though in the film... well it is a period piece. Everytime she speaks, every syllable... it's a jarring reminder that you are watching a 1990's film.
This is the danger with celebrity voice casting in an animation film. It's something that... perhaps has gotten a bit out of hand recently. In vintage DISNEY animation well the voices are so.... just part of the story. It's not like the seven dwarfs were voiced by Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Groucho Marx, Spencer Tracy, Charles Laughton and Charles Chaplin as Dopey. No... And as a result... well, it's seemless, there are no dates on the characters' faces.
I believe I understand the need for Celebrity Casting, it's to... how do you say it... Well, it's to sell the film. It's so you don't have to put animators on Talk Shows... Which personally I'd love it if they did. I'd stay up to watch GLEN KEANE on any and every show on television. BUT John Q Public wouldn't. So, having Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, Rosie O'Donnell... well it just helps your film with television air time. Groovy, I get it.
But now Disney owns ABC and can do weekly 30 minute programs about it's future feature animation if they want to.
The one thing this trailer does tell me though is this... Disney obviously knows how to sell the movie. They know what the public wants to see. They know what every male boy man thing wants... TARZAN, at the same time the touch on the alleged female points of the romance... Though the gal I saw the film with was going gaga over that oh so wonderful physique of TARZAN's. (I've got about 20 billion sit ups to go baby)
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
I agree. I'm dying to see... THAT movie. That movie is exactly what I want to see, a balls to the wall TARZAN film minus the cutesy poo and the annoying voiced Bronx accented Rosie O'Donnell ape.
I've seen TARZAN, in fact I've seen two different versions, and believe me, animated films change a lot through their various stages, I just hope that it continues to change between now and release. TARZAN is my favorite of the modern Disney animated films. Glen Keane's work animating that ape man is just unmatched. I've never ever seen character animation so dynamic and powerful.... he's a true master at the absolute heighth of his abilities and it is STUNNING.
The story of the film is great, the music is their best ever, the romance between Jane and Tarzan is PERFECT. But it has that damn GREASE-IS-THE-WORD hairstyled girlrilla named Rosie O'Donnell that acts like the biggest ingrown hair on your ass you've ever seen. Between the first print and the second print I saw, her performance was... toned down a bit, and what I'm hoping is that they can slowly and surely remove the eye and earsore that Rosie's character bleeds in a nearly mortal wound on screen.
Believe it or not, this isn't an anti-Rosie O'Donnell bit. You see I've enjoyed her work on film. They always cast her perfectly. Her television show, while quite lite, is enjoyable... hell ROBOGEEK swears by it. If I ever had a part for her, I'd give it to Garofalo, who can usually do everything Rosie does, but with more subtlety and heart. You see, in TARZAN, Rosie represents the shiny penny that reminds you this film was minted in 1999, though in the film... well it is a period piece. Everytime she speaks, every syllable... it's a jarring reminder that you are watching a 1990's film.
This is the danger with celebrity voice casting in an animation film. It's something that... perhaps has gotten a bit out of hand recently. In vintage DISNEY animation well the voices are so.... just part of the story. It's not like the seven dwarfs were voiced by Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Groucho Marx, Spencer Tracy, Charles Laughton and Charles Chaplin as Dopey. No... And as a result... well, it's seemless, there are no dates on the characters' faces.
I believe I understand the need for Celebrity Casting, it's to... how do you say it... Well, it's to sell the film. It's so you don't have to put animators on Talk Shows... Which personally I'd love it if they did. I'd stay up to watch GLEN KEANE on any and every show on television. BUT John Q Public wouldn't. So, having Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, Rosie O'Donnell... well it just helps your film with television air time. Groovy, I get it.
But now Disney owns ABC and can do weekly 30 minute programs about it's future feature animation if they want to.
The one thing this trailer does tell me though is this... Disney obviously knows how to sell the movie. They know what the public wants to see. They know what every male boy man thing wants... TARZAN, at the same time the touch on the alleged female points of the romance... Though the gal I saw the film with was going gaga over that oh so wonderful physique of TARZAN's. (I've got about 20 billion sit ups to go baby)
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
The story of the film is great, the music is their best ever, the romance between Jane and Tarzan is PERFECT. But it has that damn GREASE-IS-THE-WORD hairstyled girlrilla named Rosie O'Donnell that acts like the biggest ingrown hair on your ass you've ever seen. Between the first print and the second print I saw, her performance was... toned down a bit, and what I'm hoping is that they can slowly and surely remove the eye and earsore that Rosie's character bleeds in a nearly mortal wound on screen.
Believe it or not, this isn't an anti-Rosie O'Donnell bit. You see I've enjoyed her work on film. They always cast her perfectly. Her television show, while quite lite, is enjoyable... hell ROBOGEEK swears by it. If I ever had a part for her, I'd give it to Garofalo, who can usually do everything Rosie does, but with more subtlety and heart. You see, in TARZAN, Rosie represents the shiny penny that reminds you this film was minted in 1999, though in the film... well it is a period piece. Everytime she speaks, every syllable... it's a jarring reminder that you are watching a 1990's film.
This is the danger with celebrity voice casting in an animation film. It's something that... perhaps has gotten a bit out of hand recently. In vintage DISNEY animation well the voices are so.... just part of the story. It's not like the seven dwarfs were voiced by Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Groucho Marx, Spencer Tracy, Charles Laughton and Charles Chaplin as Dopey. No... And as a result... well, it's seemless, there are no dates on the characters' faces.
I believe I understand the need for Celebrity Casting, it's to... how do you say it... Well, it's to sell the film. It's so you don't have to put animators on Talk Shows... Which personally I'd love it if they did. I'd stay up to watch GLEN KEANE on any and every show on television. BUT John Q Public wouldn't. So, having Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, Rosie O'Donnell... well it just helps your film with television air time. Groovy, I get it.
But now Disney owns ABC and can do weekly 30 minute programs about it's future feature animation if they want to.
The one thing this trailer does tell me though is this... Disney obviously knows how to sell the movie. They know what the public wants to see. They know what every male boy man thing wants... TARZAN, at the same time the touch on the alleged female points of the romance... Though the gal I saw the film with was going gaga over that oh so wonderful physique of TARZAN's. (I've got about 20 billion sit ups to go baby)
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
This is the danger with celebrity voice casting in an animation film. It's something that... perhaps has gotten a bit out of hand recently. In vintage DISNEY animation well the voices are so.... just part of the story. It's not like the seven dwarfs were voiced by Jimmy Stewart, Cary Grant, Clark Gable, Groucho Marx, Spencer Tracy, Charles Laughton and Charles Chaplin as Dopey. No... And as a result... well, it's seemless, there are no dates on the characters' faces.
I believe I understand the need for Celebrity Casting, it's to... how do you say it... Well, it's to sell the film. It's so you don't have to put animators on Talk Shows... Which personally I'd love it if they did. I'd stay up to watch GLEN KEANE on any and every show on television. BUT John Q Public wouldn't. So, having Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, Rosie O'Donnell... well it just helps your film with television air time. Groovy, I get it.
But now Disney owns ABC and can do weekly 30 minute programs about it's future feature animation if they want to.
The one thing this trailer does tell me though is this... Disney obviously knows how to sell the movie. They know what the public wants to see. They know what every male boy man thing wants... TARZAN, at the same time the touch on the alleged female points of the romance... Though the gal I saw the film with was going gaga over that oh so wonderful physique of TARZAN's. (I've got about 20 billion sit ups to go baby)
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
But now Disney owns ABC and can do weekly 30 minute programs about it's future feature animation if they want to.
The one thing this trailer does tell me though is this... Disney obviously knows how to sell the movie. They know what the public wants to see. They know what every male boy man thing wants... TARZAN, at the same time the touch on the alleged female points of the romance... Though the gal I saw the film with was going gaga over that oh so wonderful physique of TARZAN's. (I've got about 20 billion sit ups to go baby)
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
Just about every single last one of you are going to go GAGA over this film, and the one negative thing you'll come away with is... "God... why was Rosie O'Donnell an ape?"
This TARZAN is pretty darn great, but you know what? With a little tweaking and some downplaying of Rosie's character it could just do PHENOMENAL business. It will quite simply... kick your ass.
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
Why am I griping so loudly about this? Because I love soooo much of this film, it works sooooo completely when she's not talking, I just.... sigh.... Ya know... "A Dream Is A Wish Your Heart Makes" I heard that somewhere.
SUMMER 1999 is going to be amazing if everything holds together. With Universal's MUMMY and Disney's TARZAN and Warner Brother's EYES WIDE SHUT and that Independent film coming out around Memorial Day.... well gosh, that should be just about awesome. Of course if perchance SUPERNOVA and WILD WILD WEST hit as well.... kick ass.
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
P.S. Sir Etch-A-Sketch... What's going on my friend?
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i agree on every count. first, where is etch a sketch? celebrity voices are to sell a film. and, contrary to Robogeek's statement in his review concerning POE's Steve Martin and Martin Short's characters, i felt that scene worked. maybe not necessary, but functional. i know that has nothing to do with this, but i lump it together... i've been away.
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They usually add these celebrity voices to keep the adults interested. At MULAN, I didn't hear many kids laughing over Eddie's dragon, but I did hear some adults roaring. In my opinion, this is another example of Disney's creative laziness. Once something works (i.e. celebrity voices, musical numbers, cute sidekicks,) they stick with it, regardless of how it might affect the tone of other projects. For example, I felt that the inclusion of musical numbers in THE LION KING detracted from what could have been their BAMBI of the 90's. If they would've simply stuck with Hans Zimmer's score, they would've had a much stronger film (sans record breaking Broadway Musical, I know!) That, however, was Disney at the apex of their Animated reign. Now, they're beginning to slip a little, but if they were to take a risk, even if it's as minor as deleting Rosie O'Donnell from TARZAN, they might regain their place as *the* undisputed king of animated films. It could mean the difference between a respectable $100 million gross (which is where their animated films have been falling since HUNCHBACK,) or a gargantuan $200 million take.
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I have yet to see the TARZAN trailer but it sounds similar to the approach taken by both MULAN & PRINCE OF EGYPT. The trailers for MULAN did not suggest any comedic elements or sidekick characters. I don't believe the dragon was shown in any TV ads until a couple of weeks before its release. Likewise we see nothing of Steve Martin's & Martin Short's characters in POE. (I have yet to see POE but plan to this afternoon.) Friends were surprised that Martin & Short were even in POE. One thing I do like about this "trend" is that these trailers don't give away every last thing about their movies. One other point is that the folks who voiced the dwarves & others in the early Disney features were not talented unknowns for the most part. Most were character actors & radio veterans. The best known of the dwarves is probably Billy Gilbert who played Sneezy. Gilbert was known for his sneezing schtick & was in a lot of Hal Roach comedies like THE MUSIC BOX with Laurel & Hardy. He was also in Chaplin's THE GREAT DICTATOR. Another "for instance" would be Edward Brophy who was Timothy in DUMBO. Brophy gave a good supporting performance as a strangle about to be hung in '35's MAD LOVE. The point of my rambling: our grandchildren will be the judges of whether or not this kind of casting distracts or attracts. They'll either laugh at Rosie's ape or ask "Would the people who made this possibly be on that '90s drug, what did you call it, uh, crack when they made it?" Happy Holidays to all at AICN & all its readers!
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The trailer for Tarzan I saw last night was one of the best trailers I've ever seen in terms of editing. Spiraling through the trees like that, it was so cool. Tarzan and Jane's character animation looked so cool. Jane looks like a really cool heroine. I understand that in most of the storys she was little more than a plot device, but she actually looked sort of independant in the trailer. I can just sorta tell.
One thing, though. Correct me if I am wrong, but Tarzan can't really talk, can he? He can say "me tarzan you jane" but not much else. Wouldn't it be a bit weird if you had a movie in which the protagonist, the focus, only speaks pidgin english? Jane is really going to have to pick up some slack if the movie's going to be more than slinging through trees.
BTW, POE was okay. The FX were incredible. Don't ask me more, though, I don't feel like having hordes of people tell me I'm a fascist and Jesus will save me if I surrender to him. -
I will go on record
saying this will be
the biggest movie
summer of all time.
As bad as '98 was
this should more
than make up for
it. How often
could you see a
Kubrick and a Lucas
directed film the
same year, not to
mention a month
apart. WOW!!! -
I was taking in "The Prince of Egypt" for the second time yesterday(Best Picture, hands down), and I was able to see the "Tarzan" trailer with it. I agree with your comments about the computer animation looking stunning, Harry. However, the hand-drawn animation looks very rough, nothing compared to "Prince"'s. Anyone think the same thing?
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I know people will probally scream at me, but I've had it up to hear with stupid sidekicks and annoying and intrusive songs. Me, if I'm going to watch something animated, then it's either a trip to the anime store or one of the few good animated American shows. Just can't wait till Princess Mononoke hits theatres in '99.
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Concerning the question of how cool it is that in one year (1999) that we will see a summer in which both a film by Lucas and Kubrick premiered... remember the only other year we saw a movie by both Kubrick and Lucas was back in the summer 1980. That was when Kubrick released THE SHINING and
Lucas released a Star Wars
film (he co-wrote and produced) called THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.
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About marketing: I have to agree with Harry in saying that the movie that the trailer represents; that's the movie I want to see. You can not make a serious movie with a silly kiddy element like that, unless it's handled juuuuust right. Personally, I don't think Disney can do that.
About Jane: Well of course they're going to add more to her role. Yeah yeah yeah, it does make the story more interesting, but remember that this is the 90s. If they use her has a simple plot device, there's bound to be some wacko feminist movement that'll freak out.
About speaking roles: You know what I want to see? Tarzan with NO formal speaking parts at all - not even broken English. Let him express himself in with body language, grunts and screams. Let the animators go gaga with his expressions.
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Speaking from some knwoledge(see my name), the comment about a grunting tarzan is SO far from the truth of ERB's story, that to do that would be a huge insult... if you want that, go watch the Johnny WeissMueller serials, or the Buster Crabbe serials. JC Tarzan was fluent in both written english and spoken french when first found by the Porters, and quickly matched each languages counterpart as he travelled with them. the grunting apeman stuff totally defeats ERB's nature/nurture exploration. And for those who suspect I don't know what I'm talking about, check my name, and email... I've had it for years.... Thuran, for those not big Tarzan fans, was Rokoff's French psuedonym... and since I've yet to see the trailer, I'm not sure Rokoff's in it, but he was Tarzan's greatest enemy.
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good comment in that last post. a non-speaking tarzan would be the pinnacle of coolness. just watching him express himself with his body language... aahhh!!! too bad it'll never happen. instead we have the good fortune of being blessed with the rosie ape. ain't life grand. anyway, i just wanted to give my two cents on Harry's suggestion about animators on talk shows. could you imagine someone like glen keane on the charlie rose show. if something like that happened, i'd never turn off the 'ol pbs. except when those damn teletubbies come on. damn them all to hell. anyways, just a thought...
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I saw PoE. Like Harry, I have been accused on being on the DreamWorks payroll due to how much I have been pumping this film. I am not on the payroll, though I am trying to get an internship there... Anyway, I had the highest expectations for PoE, and dammit, I was NOT let down! Personally, it was the best damn animated movie I have ever seen, stateside, that is. Animation-wise, PoE was near perfect. I adored everything about the movie.
Perhaps the second best part about watching PoE was the Tarzan trailer. Oh my goodness! I was amazed. I am an animation major, and Glen Keane has always been one of my heroes. When I heard of how he got his job at Disney, I was amazed. Mad skills.
About Princess Mononoke: I've seen it. A friend of mine had a fansubbed version and I had the fortune of watching it. If you've ever seen a Hayao Miyazaki film, you will not be let down. Thus far, the only animation created in America that can rival PM is PoE. When it comes to animation, PoE is head and shoulders above PM ( Americans have a different style in that they greatly emphasize character motion more so then the Japanese). When it comes to story, PM wins in the originality department. When it comes to power, those two are chalk-full of it. PM was amazing. If you have ever seen Nausica of the Valley Wind, you will understand what I mean.
Animation is going to enter a second Golden Age, and I must thank DreamWorks for that. The work they did on PoE was phenomenal and that will only force Disney to try to one up them with Tarazan (and I think they most likely will). When they do, DreamWorks must retaliate. When they do, so must Disney. The winners here will be us, the geeks. Not just the audience, but mainly the geeks. We will see animation grow up in the United States. We will finally see animation created stateside that can finally rival Anime. It will take a while but it will happen, and I wait breathless for that day. -
Why not make a movie based on former SNL head writer Michael O'Donoghue's vintage comic strip parody, TARZAN OF THE COWS? If you've never read it, and are a fan of the Tarzan saga, you owe it to yourself to seek it out.
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I am a huge fan of the animated film genre. Close friends and relatives laugh at the reaction I have when someone calls a film like Beauty and The Beast or An American Tail a "cartoon." They are animated films and I love them!
That's why I am so disappointed with the mouse house. Their apporaoch is blatantly corporate that I find myself almost pulling against their films. Almost!
The Tarzan trailer looks very impressive. Tarzan is a very appealing subject for animated film. And, I am sure it will score well with test audiences and the toys will sell millions of Happy Meals. I will enjoy the movie without much doubt.
My biggets gripe is that Disney has let the "magic" escape from the Kingdom. Instead of really pushing the envlope, settling for nothing less than their ambitions allow for, they settle for some minor technical advances or more ingeniuos marketing campaign. Lost is any truly original film-making.
Not one thing inTarzan looks to be groundbreaking. Not one character looks to be one we will always remember the first time we encoutered them. It looks to be the same parts, slightly improved or polished, assembled in the same tried and true way! Tarzan will be technically superior to recent Disney flix....which have been pretty good (except Pocahontas). But, that's what happens when you repeat the same action over and over. You get better......at that same thing.
If that is what disney settles for, fine. I just hope their efforts to blunt truly original films that advance the genre will end soon. For example, the re-release of a modern classic like the Little Mermaid solely to hold down Fox's Anastasia's debut. It didn't work (Fox was thrilled with Anastasia's 100+ million worldwide box office) and served only to frustrate those of us who had anticipated a more prestigious effort for the film that resuurected Disney Animation. What a low brow approach!
Get on with leading the pack and stop looking over your shoulder Disney. Is it Fantasia 2000 that will restore you in my eyes?! Earn that seat atop the animated kingdom. If not, get out of the way. There aren't enough bullets in your gun to shoot down all the competition. Get used to it!
Maybe Disney would like to have Tarzan face Star Wars Episode One: The Phantom Menace......"starting this weekend with scenes from Episode Two during the final credits!" Maybe the mouse would learn to focus on making the best film possible......period!
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Disney should take a hint from Dreamworks and recognize if something is ruining their film. Apparently, in PoE there was a "wacky camel" that ruined that film as surely as the awful gargoyles did in Disney's "Hunchback" movie. It was removed from the movie even though a LOT of work was finished on it. Disney should do the same with Rosie's wacky singing chimp.
Mostly because it DATES the movie - Rosie's ratings are in a freefall because even her fans are ALREADY sick of her! She's a one note joke that's both tired and out of tune. This will be as bad as the Arsenio Hall jokes in "Aladdin" and dates the film in a way that "Snow White" never will never succumb to. In ten years, compare "A Bug's Life" to the much trendier "ANTZ" - one will remain a timeless classic and the other will be just another nineties-era piffle with trendy voices and actors playing themselves.
Someone above had the brilliant suggestion that Tarzan should remain totally silent throughout the film. I second the motion - but, for the grating Rosie O'Donnell character. The movie seen in that trailer is too fucking brilliant to sacrifice for another trendy attempt at stunt casting. Give us a classic Tarzan for the ages!!!! -
1492, you don't think Tarzan tickles your eyes? Once this movie comes out Glen Keane's version of the character will become the definitive Tarzan that people will remember over Hogarth and Wisemiller.
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1492, you don't think Tarzan tickles your eyes? Once this movie comes out Glen Keane's version of the character will become the definitive Tarzan that people will remember over Hogarth and Wisemiller.
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Let's review the celebrity list for ANTZ, shall we? Jane Curtin, Dan Aykroyd, Sharon Stone, Sylvester Stallone, and Woody Allen. None of these are what I would call 90's icons. They all have well established careers (some of them of admittedly dubious respectability). I would have to say that they are far from trendy.
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I just saw the trailer for Tarzan and I must say that it does look quite good. Unfortunately the guys over at Disney aren't lucky enough to have kept good old Jeffrey Katzenberg on. I mean after the huge success of Beauty and the Beast and The Lion King they should have let him continue on at Disney like he was doing. Jeff was the lone guy who really pulled disney out of their post walt phase. But they unfortunately pissed off Jeff and they lost him and their films have greatly suffered for it. What used to be huge takes at the box office have now turned into small little hits. My final thing to say about tarzan is this, It will make some money but wont live on. Journeyman here on the way to another job signing out.
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maybe when someone finally realizes that every animated film need not be a musical, someone will consequently come to the conclusion that animation is a valid and extremely effective way to tell a wide variety of stories. i saw POE today, and i was impressed, but every time the fat guy and the skinny guy popped up acting goofy, or someone started singing, i shuddered. i love good anime, and i hope someday american animation can get there. i was impressed by the tarzan trailer. the king and i trailer made me vomit. looked like every bad disney cliche rolled in with extreme racial charicatures, and horrible animation.
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Aren't the rights to Tarzan still owned by the Burroughs estate (hence "Walt Disney Pictures Presents Tarzan" as opposed to "Walt Disney's Tarzan")? Obviously the film rights have been optioned to Disney, but wouldn't it stand that the estate would have some script approval?
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Cool fucking trailer, but definitely dump the fat broad.
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As an aspiring animator I was very impressed by Glen Keane's animation. It is so dynamic. He always sets the benchmark and he is always original. So it always seems such a shame when the films he works on are simply not up scratch. It would be nice if Disney released an animated feature under a different name such as Touchstone, Hollywood or maybe even some new name. But I suppose we're talking money here so never mind. I hope Tarzan is good. I'll go and see it and buy the video, just to study Glen's work. Incidentally, did you know that he lives over here in Europe now. My tutor at college visited the Disney studios in Paris last year and Glen told him that he and his family liked Paris so much that they've decided to stay. And last month he visited my old college as a parent to see if his son could join the course. Amazing!
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I believe that copyright for an author's works expires fifty years after the death of an author, meaning that anyone can use them. ERB died in 1950 so what happens in 2000 viz-a-viz Tarzan, John Carter et al is anyone's guess. Of course I could be wrong. BTW Thuran, Tarzan couldn't speak French when he met the Porters, he only learned to speak that after the porters had left when he rescued D'Arnot. One thing always puzzled me, if he learned to write in English from a book, obviously he had no idea about the phonetics, so how could he write 'Tarzan'?
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I'm sick of the "formula" animation thing (ie, musical, "funny" sidekicks, (heck,most of the time, even the main characters look goofy) silly, cutesy crap...) When are we going to see an American equivalent of some of the anime stuff in terms of straight out action-adventure films. Tarzan would have been perfect for this,but it's being done by the mouse house, so they've got cutesy-poo crap added to the film. Aarrgghh!
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I was a bit leary of Having Tarzan made into an animated film from the first time I heard about it. Then I saw an article a couple of months back saying Tarzan would exclude the inane songs, if you discount Phil collins vocals added in every now and then an exclusion of them. And I thought "YAY" Maybe this could work after all.
Now, I hear about the talking ape, I have nothing against Rosie o'donell perse, but hearing that there's a talking animal in this at all sort of ruins it for me. Why couldn't they have gone the pocahontas route and stuck with silent creatures? Especially for the story Tarzan has to be to be told right. *sighs* Que sera sera...
I was very impressed with Keane's work, though I think I like PoE's Character animation better. We shall see when it comes to final copy.
In Reguards too Tavis Bickles post saying that it might possibly erase Hogarth and Wisemiller as the definitive Tarzan, I disagree.
I'm not too familiar with wisemillar, But I'm a great fan of All of Burne Hogarth's work.. and in my eyes his male figures can't be matched. His females leave a bit too be desired.. but that's another topic. *grin*
I was less than impressed with Phil Collins I'm afraid, perhaps his other songs are better. I LOVED THE music on it's own but add Phil's nasel voice? "ick". Probably just a personal preference *shrug*
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Tarzan looks very interesting considering the future release of Princess Mononoke. PM is a very violent film; it ain't no The Little Mermaid, not by a long shot. But the story I've heard is that Disney is going to release it as-is and under the Disney name. There's a lot of blood in PM, folks. I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but what I have seen involves wolves tearing into people, and not a whole lot was left to the imagination. America isn't ready for PM yet. But Tarzan could be a step in that direction. They need to get Joe Q Public ready for PM or America will recoil in shock. I find it interesting, also, that both Mulan and Tarzan have been marketed at the outset towards more "mature" (*cough, cough*) audiences, with the wisecracking cute critter snuck in at the last minute (in the marketing, if not in the developement). One wonders if Disney's target audience is changing. - Brian
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Hi-Re: Tarzan trailer. I was lucky in the trailer selections before POE (a great film, by the way). The first trailer was Episode 1 (I never get tired of seeing that), and I started to get pumped for POE. Then, the lights dimmed for the next few trailers, and this rising and diving camera shot of this stone-like chasm came into view with this pounding and exhilarating drum-based music. As soon as I saw the picture of the young English couple in the cracked frame, my heart skipped a beat. This couldn't be Tarzan, I thought. Where was the Rosie ape that I was ready to loathe? Instead, I saw incredible animation (the shaking trees, the shaking trees!!) as well an understanding of Disney's take on Tarzan and Jane (in less than 2 minutes, even). Phil Collins music did not date the movie in any way, and I even enjoyed it-it worked. Many of the posts concerning the trailer had people knocking the animation as not being revolutionary and quite plain. All I have to say about this is:see it at the theater. This is yet another example of how downloaded trailers can not do justice to the subject matter!
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F-Rosie O. She has the largest head in Showbiz and has ruined the next greatest animated Disney flic. Her psuedo-lesbian K-Mart commercials are getting annoying as well.
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As I posted, Tarzan looks like a good film. I agree that the character animation for the main vine swinger himself is very, very good. But, that is my point. It looks like another film filled with the same parts.....some of them are improved, others are not. Here is an analogy for the Disney process. They work like the car industry. When a new model is brought to market and is found to be successful, they simple modify that same product each year. Tarzan is Disney's 1999 animation model. I want an entirely new approach.
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I haven't seen anyone mention The King and I trailer showing with POE. What a joke! Compared to Tarzan trailer and POE it was laughable. Technically it looked very outdated and low-budget. Warners needs to sit down!! I'm waiting for Blue Planet to hit. Maybe we'll finally get some adult content from an American animation release.
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One thing I want to point out that I noticed, and that even my mom noticed when I first showed her the trailer, the characters look very anime-like. I've never liked japanese anime; I've always found it to be unimaginative (they result to blood, violence and nudity when they can't come up with any other plot device), annoying and boring. So technically, those griping about Disney following the same model of animation for all of their movies should say the same thing about anime. On some films like akira and ghost in the shell, the animation actually was spectacular, but not groundbreaking like one poster said disney animation isn't. I'm sorry, as long as animation is done by human hands, it's not going to be groundbreaking. Even with masters like keane etc, there's only a limit on how much they can do.
Anyways, the whole point of this post was to point out and support what onbe person already said-maybe disney is trying to reach a middle ground between the kiddie flciks of the past and japanese anime of the present.
And as far as a movie being too violent, or kiddie or whatever...well, when making a movie, you try to make a movie for everyone, so everyone can see it and enjoy (as opposed to one target audience) That's why I think movies like Lion King, star Trek Insurrection and, say, Star Wars work-they have a equal balance of action, comedy, romance, etc. The only reason for adding, say, the ape in tarzan is to add an element attractive to kids. Becasue face it, like Hunchback, the story is not for kids. -
I like the idea of Rosie playing the ape. However, it would be a more 90's idea if you had the seduction of Jane by Rosie's character. You know, life imitating art and all. Just a suggestion.
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Fuck me, that is just one fucking spectacular trailer. The swinging of Tarzan through the trees as the camera follows behind him, turning and craning and tilting and god that is so cool, reminiscent of the Huns descent in Mulan.
Disney appear to be taking a more "mature" approach with their movies (Mulan = cross dressing warrior duking it out with some nasty huns) but i agree with the other posters about Rosie. WHAT THE FUCK. Will Disney ever fucking forget the goddamned talking animal schtick. Anime like Akira and Ghost in the Shell and Patlabor is the shit i wanna see. A serious, adult, mature animated film. Not hard but god i want one with Disney quality animation. I am so looking forward to POE.
And dear god, leave out those irritating shitbox songs.
I think i will retreat to my den and cry some more about Rosie being in this fucking cool pic.
But Harrison Ford and Minnie Driver are lending their vocal talents (aaahhh, all better).
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I think something you have to remember is that it's in Disney's best business interests to cater to the kids and 'families', and that's why you're going to have the sidekicks and all. Keep in mind- it IS a business. Maybe in order to please all you 'new animation/ anime' purists- its time they thought about a division under Touchstone or Mirimax. Having said that, POE didn't exactly bring in a huge throng of adults this week- and it sure isn't all that appealing to kids.
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What is groundbreaking animation? I think is when an animator creates a character or place we've never seen before. I applaud Glen Keane for not giving Tarzan the mannerisms of a man, but that of a cat or ape. Thats imagination. And I doubt the japanese could animate Tarzan the way Keane did. Creating clouds on the computer when you can go outside and film them? Naturalistic craftsmanship should be left to live-action. 'Bugs Life' took place in world that was different from our own. Naturalism is for people who think photo-realism is the point in art.
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oh yeah, you can have talking animals and still call it a "serious" movie.
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Journeyman here again. Hmm I have to admit I agree with the comments on not having to make every animated film a musical. Although music can be a help in some animated films a good example of that is in Toy Story when Woody starts getting treated second class to buzz and the song " Strange things are happening to me" plays I mean that advanced the story pretty damm well and it was a pretty good song. I really dont think it's so much that we are tired of the musical formula but we are tired of it not working anymore if you know what I mean and I think you do. Well this is Journeyman and I gotta get going the galaxy waits for nobody. Journeyman out
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Please Disney, can you, for one time, not make an animated movie with some talking animal or a talking inanimate object(Beauty and the Beast). I mean I watched the Tarzan trailer thinking "WOW! A cool, serious movie made by Disney!" and then I come to this site and find out Rosie O' Donnell is voicing a chimp, and singing no less. What the FUCK!
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I agree with journeyman that music can often help the movie to progress and an excellent example of this succeding is in Toy Story. What i think everyone here is referring to however is when talking animals, talking "inanimate" objects, and anyone else, simply breaks into a joyous, crappy, irritating, grating shitbox song. The songs in Mulan ruined it for me, as they did in Hercules and numerous other mouse house movies. There were no songs in A Bug's Life or Antz, they were damned fine flicks, and right now i'm shitting bricks about there being songs in POE.
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You have so much money would it kill you to give the animators total freedom when making a movie. Besides, with foreign grosses and merchandising your guaranteed to break even. Animation history over money, let the artists rule!
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What is groundbreaking animation? Let me tell you what it is not. It is not retracing yourself again and again and again! As for Keane's character design and animation...it was pefect in Beauty and the Beast and will remain so in anything he does. It so happens that Tarzan marks a subject being worthy of the artists talents. This is a good thing. But my point remains that Disney's animated films (notice I said films not any singular part....the whole film) are not pushing the medium forward. I must say that Tavis Bickle's last post at least hinted that he's getting a clue. But, Disney need not let the animators have free reign to achieve my desried end. Just allow those who would create a truly unique film to do so. Remember, Lion King was to have had no songs until Disney chickened out. Perhaps the best idea I've heard from any of these posts is for Disney to release unique animated films under another Label. (Actually, they have released some under the Movietoons label) Talk about synergy! Maybe they would create films worthy of sequels that don't go directly to video.
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Journeyman here again with more comments on Tarzan. It seems to me that most of you are completely tired of songs in animation. Well we geeks of animation unfortunately are a small minority and it will be a very long time until Disney decides to do a non musical traditional animated film. In fact the only way that this is going to happen is if one of Disney's films bombs big time. Until then though expect the usual Disney films with a goofy sidekick and songs galore. The path for adult animation has started but there is still a long way too go. Journeyman out.
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So you have the arrogance to question my feelings on the medium. What do you like? Just curious. Lion King would still be overated if it didn't have songs.
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Who's the art director? Tell me more about Deep Canvas.
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I wasn't overly thrill with the look of the trailer for TARZAN. I'm an animator myself and, although I thought Tarzan to movie very fluidly, I found the jungle to look too computerish. I'm not liking what I'm seeing from the DEEP CANVAS technique. Another thing that bothers me about the movie is that it focuses most of the movie on Tarzan being a kid, thus making Jane barely in it. I hope they decide to change some of this. Focusing on Tarzan being a kid makes it sound like another Jungle Book. ANd what is up with Disney and all these ape movies anyways?
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