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Rumor about INDY 4 (SPOILERS--- "IF" true)

Alright folks, once again we have a RUMOR, that word means that what will follow will go into the gigantic pantheon of alleged truths that we can not validate... meaning... It could be a load of hooey or it could not be. In all probability this isn't 'THE' script because George and crew say they have/had a script in readiness, which would mean... why would there be a newly submitted 'treatment'? As you can see I do have my doubts about this one, so take it easy and just... 'entertain' the concept, but know that it most likely won't come to pass.

HEY HARRY, here’s the lowdown on the current status of the INDY 4 flick. I know the Atlantis rumors have seemingly been squashed but here’s the treatment a screenwriter at CAA has turned in for consideration. I’ll be brief so excuse the punctuation and grammar

INDY, working in Egypt, circa 1947, encounters a Mysterious Egyptian at the Great Pyramids. IT turns out that he has escaped from Atlantis and needs to prevent the destruction of the Atlanteans. He is to marry the King's Daughter, but his fellow Egyptian has heard of the surface world and wants to raise Atlantis. This second Egyptian is none other than the ancient Pharaoh-GOD, RAMSES . He is now a mummy and plans to Destroy the Atlanteans, who are ALIEN in ORIGIN, and Raise the Continent through the triggering of a massive EarthQuake. INDY finds Atlantis at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, the city was spared because they trapped themselves inside a giant dome. THERE An Egyptian Minority population still thrives.

INDY must choose between the rise of the world's greatest archeological find and the death of the Atlanteans, or to help preserve the marriage of the Egyptian to his Atlantean Love by joining him to defeat RAMSES.

As you can see the story, is magnificent, with room to add tremendous conflict and spectacular visuals. Imagine when Indy approaches Atlantis and enters the dazzling city! It also introduces an awesome villain and great supporting characters that we will actually care about their fate! I hope they go with this treatment, it would be awesome. Call me KABOOM.

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  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Sounds moronic

    by Nordling

    This just seems too farfetched to be true - sounds more like some Indy fan did some serious drugs and thought this up. Indiana Jones ain't Star Wars. That's not to say one is better than the other, but each has different story devices and plots. Indiana Jones works best when it's simple. I'd rather see him hunt for Alexander the Great's gravesite, or look for some of the artifacts of Greek myth than this crap. I don't expect to see an Indiana Jones movie anytime soon, anyway, with all the stuff Ford, Lucas, and Spielberg got cooking on the stove, anyway.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:18 a.m. CST

    Oh Please NO!

    by Couch Potato

    Enough with the Atlantis idea! This is Indiana Jones, not the X-Files. I don't want to see him teaming up with some Atlantean alien to fight against the mummy Ramses! Obviously, at least I hope, this is not for real. But if it is, I will be sorely disappointed in Lucas and Ford, who is usually quite good at turning down bad scripts and waiting for the right story. Let's stick with what we love, not try to enter the FX-laden world of scifi.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Well this sounds like a load of shit

    by DAQ

    if this is the best george lucas can come up with for an indy film god help us all. I shudder to think about tpm. although somehow i have the feeling this story is complete garbage. i love the line kaboom uses 'As you can see the story, is magnificent'. sorry kaboom i dont think so. off the drugs boy.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:24 a.m. CST

    Beyond lame....

    by Unicorn

    ...I agree with Nordling. This guy took some serious drugs before regurgitating this junk. There's never been an overt "we're going to wonderland" feel to the Indy stories. Rather, it creeps up on us. Speilberg's tendency has always been to put ordinary people into extraordinary situations (think about every one of his films...Jaws, ET, Poltergeist, etc...up until the Schindler's List timeframe, and even that one and those after pretty much fall into that scenario). Raiders was very much that way, and so was Last Crusade. "Ordinary" right up until the end. I don't see any way this is going to change by taking us straight to Atlantis. Methinks this guy is a bit too much a fan of Stargate...sounds like more up that alley than Prof. Jone's! :)

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:01 a.m. CST

    Fate of Atlantis?

    by Zeroed

    Any of you ever played the computer game called "Indiana Jones : Fate of Atlantis" ? If so, you probably know that this scenario is somewhat in contradiction with the story of this game. Did anybody notice that too ?

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Oh please

    by Mel

    What kind of loser dreamt up this trash. The Indiana Jones trilogy is nothing less than modern mythology, and three of the greatest adventure films of all time. Indy 4? Aliens? Ramses back to life? Mummies? This kind of crap is what distibguishes the million of gushy fanboys with overactive imaginations from true creative geniuses like Spielberg, Scorcese, Capra and Hitchcock. Get a grip. If there is even to be such a thing (which is looking more and more unlikely with every passing year -- Harrison might be the only true movie star left in this industry, but he ain't getting any younger), I'm not against the Atlantis concept in theory. But it's a legend that has been speculated and dreamt about for thousands of years, even by Plato himself. Indy walking into Atlantis 20 minutes into the movie would have 95% of the audience groaning in disbelief. This isn's fucking Tomb Raider IV here. If Atlantis were to be used at all, it should be be the end of the story, not the means. It should be something glimpsed at the story's conclusion... something intangible almost, something that leaves the audience's imaginations firing -- not spelt out crassly in some cheap, hokey fanboy-loving realistion. Someone was throwing around a Garden of Eden story too a while back. Another interesting idea. The bible clearly states that it's a place hidden somewhere on earth... a valley surrounded by invisible mountains, north of the river Tigris I believe it was. Again, something to be used as an end to the story, not a means to one. I say, if they really can't think of anything great, just leave the trilogy to rest. Create a nnew character, a new story, a new mythology. Don't wreak something magnificent you've already created for the sake of commercialism of geekish wish-fulfillment (and I mean that in the brainless sense this time, not Harry's more forgiving concept of geekdom). "Mel"

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:24 a.m. CST

    INDY 4 Bad idea all around

    by Caliban

    As much as I love Indy, and I do, I have to protest that any sequels are a bad idea. Why? Because the sequel would necessarily be tied to the aging Harrison Ford. Mr. Ford's age necessitates taking Indy out of the 1930's milieu, where Indy works so well. The character of Indiana Jones, the adventurer, just doesn't fit well in the post war world. There's a certain innocence to the films, an ignorance of the true evils of nazism. The post war world is not ripe for adventure. The only way a sequel would work is if it examined the changes in Indy in the years following the war. Further, more of the same is not really an exciting prospect for Indy sequels. Spielberg was never really able to top Raiders of the Lost Ark (not surprising since it redefined the action adventure genre). What was there left to do. The two sequels are both fine cinematic fare, but they don't measure up to the original because they cannot surprise us the way the original did. The prospect of seeing Indy reduced to the sort of drivel this Atlantis screenplay treatment is even worse than seeing Indy reduced to the confused and boring old man of the Young Indy series.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:50 a.m. CST

    What the hell is this?

    by The Kid

    What kind of crap is this? Even if it were true (which it can't be because they would never make an Indie as bad as this), they'd get another script. And one more thing for Mr. Knowles, if he reads this: A couple years ago (I don't remember how long) there was an article saying Lucas and Spielberg wouldn't do another Indie movie if it would only be good and not great. The plot had to do with Indie's evil twin brother. This counts as rumor (though I swear it was in the paper) I guess.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 10:47 a.m. CST

    i played it

    by MIA006

    Yeah i played that game, the Jones Atlantis game from Lucas Arts. But it doesn't really matter, if they wanted to make another atlantis story they could do it. I think it would be neat, but not this crap. There's no way this is true, I'm surprised Harry would even post this.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by wulher

    Ok first off I just want to say that this "script" conntradicts what I've heard through a reliable source. I don't want to give away too much to spoil it. I will say though that Indy 4 is not about the search for Atlantis but rather the quest to find how those people at Cadbury get the caramel in Caramilk chocolate bars. A true enigma. Of course to get to the bottom of it Indy will have to join a Broadway Chorus line where he will meet a walking mummy named Ramses that will point him in the right direction. Just thought I'd let settle all your disputes out there. I can't wait to see this movie. A magnificent story I'd say.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 11:32 a.m. CST


    by Point

    Forget, Indy 4 will never leave the paper. Spielberg this worried with other things and with fear of ruining that was built with a lot of effort. Thinking well, I prefer like this, Indiana Jones would not do + success as formerly.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 11:58 a.m. CST


    by Withnail

    Absolutely MAGNIFICENT!!! The only way it could be better is if we found out that Indy is so good at adventuring because he has tiny indy colorians in his blood. Oh, and he finds out one of the Atlantians is his father. Point 1. Harrison Ford would NEVER agree to it, even if Lucas and Spielberg HAD lost their freaking minds Point 2. Last time I saw an Indiana Jones movie, I'm pretty sure he had LUNGS! Point 3. I even balked a little at the end of Last Crusade, If I'm wincing during the opening credits, it will be Batman and Robin all over again. Thank God it CAN'T be true. (Please oh please oh please)

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Pure crap

    by Loki Trickster

    I have to agree with everyone on this. This idea for a movie is pure crap, pure fanboy mental masturbation, without thinking about why the Indiana Jones movies are the greatest movies ever made (sorry, they beat Star Wars by a significant margin). The most important thing missing from this version of Indy 4 is of course the Nazis. You can't have a great Indy movie without the Nazis. Just look at "Temple of Doom". A decent movie, but dissappointing compared to either "Raiders" or "Last Crusade". Also, a common thread that runs through all the movies is the search for religious "truth." The search for Atlantis is not the search for anything religious. It's hard for me to imagine what he could go after now, but that's the job of the professionals...NOT some fanboy searching for a scrip that wouldn't even qualify for an Outer Limits episode (much less X-Files). I do not want to see this movie series corrupted anymore than "Temple" did, and this proposed script is a complete bastardization of the modern day mythology that is the Indy movies. Please, take this script to the Tomb Raider people, but not to the Indy people. --Loki

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 12:29 p.m. CST

    this obviously is his own self made plot

    by olson

    you can totally tell the way he is promoting it that hes trying to get people to like his idea of what should happen in the story. word of advice asshole...if your gonna do this then keep it short and simple and try and make the script sound like news rather than your idea for a movie. Besides that plot sucks so hard that neither Lucas Speilberg or the second stupidest writer on earth would have ever thought of that one.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 12:42 p.m. CST

    lack of Nazis...

    by Tom Lee

    Well, I'm sure the writer just forgot to mention that throughout the movie, the Ramses-mummy is wearing a full nazi officer's uniform. GOOD LORD this treatment sounds like a stupid movie. The Indy movies have always relied upon providing miraculous occurrences that, for the most part, Scully could ignore and the audience wouldn't start screaming "FOR CHRIST'S SAKE! YOU WERE ON A FUCKING FLYING SAUCER! ADMIT IT!".... but I digress. The truly miraculous crap (healing of wounds with the grail, ark of the covenant's nazi-melting abilities) have been more limited in scale, and the type of thing that after the movie's over, there might not be many implications for. This is not the case for Atlantis. Finally, I'll point out that the major setup theme for all the Indy movies has been modern-day (for the time period) mortals messing with ancient powers that are WAY beyond them. Ramses? What a fuckin' stupid idea.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 12:46 p.m. CST

    This is bull, nothing like the other Indy's

    by Sutsu

    Raiders of the Lost Ark delt with the Ark of the Covenant and a Nazi plot to steal it. Indy & Temple of Doom delt with magic rocks and some pagan god. Indy & the Last Crusade delt with the Holy Grail and a Nazi plot to steal it. Recurring theme? All had comething to do with God, and in two cases the Nazi's. This Atlantean thing, Ramses the Egyptian God-King and the Atlanteans underwater. Granted, if this takes place in '47, there are no Nazi's, but this just doesn't seem like classic Indy. As for the special Effects bit, Indy wasn't a big series for Special Effects, except the mine car ride in Temple, that was pretty cool. Even in Crusade, I still remember that very phony tank falling off the cliff. Not that I don't like Indy movies for this, but it's always been more about a search for God, at least that's how I saw it.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:13 p.m. CST

    good god no!

    by cook3

    Whatever this guy is on he better get off of it quick. If this "treatment" is anything for real, yet another great movie series will be sunk into the 10th level of hell! cook3

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Sounds like a script for the new LARA CROFT Movie to me.

    by Darth Nopey-Dog

    Let's see " Stargate" meets "Starship Troopers" meets the "X-File Movie" meets "Plan Nine From Outer Space!" I like it already :D BTW (IMHO) - I don't think there will be another Indy flick Or as C3-PO would put it..." The odds are 94,753,128 to 1!" It's not the fact that he has a comman disease of Agetoomuch-O-ritus, It's just as someone already posted - time feasable. And no ONE can replace hime either. Besides, if another action movie is to crawl into his lap - then it might be the much rumoured remake of "Planet of the Apes".

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Sounds good if it were an X file's episode...

    by VTOfx

    Ok, even before we go to Atlantis to embark alien life forms, lets look at what must be established. The end of Last Crusade left indy immortal... maybe as a Hollywood Icon, but how do you develop tension if we all know Indy is immortal [unless he gets trapped underwater for eternity]. Lemme guess, the third reich were having secret alien informers... ummm I don't think so. We need Indy, which had traces of the supernatural in the real world, not The Arrival, which had elements of reality in a fantasy world. Lets just face it, it just wouldn't be an Indy movie [unless they managed to condensed this fantasy world in a realistic environment]

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Immortality and Whatnot

    by nug

    Hey, isn't Indy immortal now? Everyone kept saying that "whosoever drinks from this holy cup shall live forever", and this was evidenced by the living knight (who MUST have gotten a little bored - maybe he had cable back in one of the smaller caves). And don't give me any of that "not crossing the seal" rubbish. There's no mention either in the movie or the Bible of location-specific immortality. That was just put in so they could lose the grail - people in movies so rarely get to keep the treasure. Indy 4 would be rather inane if it had a "Death Becomes Her" twist.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Indy's Immortality

    by Rhino

    Err...I may be wrong about this, but I think that the knight said that the effects of the Grail stopped at the Seal. Once Indy crossed the Seal, he went back to being mortal. As for the story and its author: Once you stop huffing, some of those brain cells might come back. There is nothing better than Nazi alien mummy-gods to ruin a perfectly bad movie :)

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Immortality and the Holy Grail

    by Adam

    I had always taken the statement, "whosoever drinks from this holy cup shall live forever", to mean that you were "immortal" only as long as you had the cup. Since it had healing powers, ya know one cupful of water from the grail a day and you'd never age, but once you no longer have the cup you age normally. Of course I may be wrong.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by nug

    Maybe you two are right about immortality vs. the seal and ownership, but I just never pictured God as being such an attorney - "Whosoever drinks from this holy cup shall have life eternal", (see Section 4, Article C, Subparagraph 6d, 'life eternal shall be defined only in terms of aforementioned location X while in possession of grail Y; any and all contests to said clause shall be submitted in writing to God no more than 30 days after partaking of the holy chalice, etc.) Just always sorta saw it as more "Chug, BAM, immortal." Maybe that's just me.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Sounds like horse shit

    by orrimarrko

    the classic indy movies have to have nazis. Temple of doom didnt have nazis and it was the lowest groosing of the three. Nazis or no indy4!

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Giving this guy any attention.

    by Genecent Man

    I think whatever plans this guy had to "inspire" us has sorely failed. This is all the time that I'm going to give to this obvious sham. I urge all of you to do the same. That is all.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:22 p.m. CST


    by human2

    And you call yourself Indy fans? Jeez... Immortality does not last beyond the great seal. The remaining knight said "That is the boundary, ...and the price... of immortality." Furthermore, it is explained very clearly in the movie that 100-and-some-odd years after the three knights found the grail, two came back out, and prompty died of extreme old age. Drinking from the grail does not extend your life past the seal; Indy is not immortal.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:28 p.m. CST


    by smelly

    Harry please don't waste our time with this shite (shit in British). This is obvious crap. I suspect the author is "your source" and its a stupid premis, completely out of synch and touch with the previous three Indy films. Maybe your next "source" will tell us that INDY IS AN ALIEN and is abducted by EVIL ALIENS DISGUISED AS NAZIS and goes to their home planet, has a chase or two and gets back in time to teach Archeology 101 next semester. Please give us a fuckin break with this crap!

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Bullshit, but u know what'd be cool?

    by Joe Banks

    This is obvious bullshit, but you know what I always wanted to see? This will never happen now but I thought the opening shots seemed outright perfect for it. What if Indy had found the Stargate? Personally I think that movie would have ROCKED. Just thouhght I'd throw that in for the hell of it. As for all these Indy 4 rumors, I have yet to hear one that I hope is true. I don't want to see Indy in Atlantis or with his father again. I don't like Jeffery Boam (Indy3 writer) being involved at all. This isn't to say I didn't like The Last Crusade but it was clearly the worst of the three. Boam is a hack and understands comedy more than action. He helped write Lethal Weapon 2 which had a lot less of an edge thanks to him and he wrote LW 3 which SUCKED. Luckily he was not involved in LW4 which was a lot better than I thought it would be and almost as good as the original. My point is that Boam can't write Indy the way Indy is SUPPOSED to be. He might be good for the Inspector Gadget movie though. As for ideas on what Indy 4 could or should be? I don't know. After finding the Ark, some glowing rocks and the Holy Grail, what else is there? If they can work in more dead nazis, another babe who hates to love Indy, a scene where he says "Trust me.", and a long unsolved mystery explained I'll be who am I kidding, I know I'll see Indy4 regardless of what it's about as long as Ford and Spielberg are involved.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Must be a slow news day

    by Bundren

    Except for the earthbound terminology, this sounds more like a scenario for a Star Trek film than any Indy film.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 4:07 p.m. CST

    The Return of the nazis

    by eagle

    An Indi 4 that had nazis could take place in the 1950s in South America with nazis who had escaped Germany after the war and were planning on re-building the 4th reich but they need to find some lost Inca or mayan treaure or artifact to do so.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Nazis and Indy

    by Mr Sparkle

    Sorry to say, but as much as we all love seeing Indy kick dead Nazis around, that just isn't going to happen in Indy 4. Spielberg made it very clear after Schindler that he could no longer portray Nazi characters in the same simple, goosestepping, keystone cops-like manner. Personally I think Indy 4 will happen, but like it or not the Nazis are gone.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 4:43 p.m. CST

    BIG Mistake

    by Rob Bob

    This Indy plot is obviously a load of poop. You see, Atlantis, if it existed, was supposed to have been situated in the Mediterranean Sea. In the plot "detailed" by KABOOM, Atlantis is at the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean. This hardly makes any sense, especially considering the presence of Egyptians. Egyptians, as we know, are called Egyptians because they are from Egypt. Egypt, as we know, is not bordered by the Atlantic Ocean, but by the Mediterranean Sea. There are only two ways out of the Mediterranean, and they are: the Straight of Gibralter and the Suez Canal. The Suez Canal, as we know, does not lead to the Atlantic, and has only been around since 1869, leaving it out as a possible means by which Atlantis could have "moved". Etc..

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Fucking Aliens

    by Andy K

    Not that I have anything against alien movies, but if Indiana Jones EVER touches on the idea of aliens I'll fucking die. I agree with all of you. This is the crappiest piece of moronic bullshit I've ever seen. I hope the guy that wrote that treatment gets drug out into the street and shot. -andy K_

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Why they shouldn't make Indy 4...

    by Funmazer

    First off, every time something goes past a trilogy, it sucks. The Indy movies had a story arc. He starts out as an scientist. Everything can be explained, blah blah. At the end of #3, he was pretty much a true believer. Also, the Indy films went downhill with each installment. Not hard to do, considering Raiders is one of the VERY best movies ever made and (I have to say this) is MUCH better than Star Wars in terms of script and acting (and other things). Sorry, Lucas. Let Kasden run the show, OK? Anyway, I liked Temple Of Doom a lot because it gave Indy a new religion and adventure to work with. People, Last Crusade was by far the worst. Still really good, but not the best! It had a too-jokey script that seemed more like a 'parady' of an Indy movie than an Indy movie. Such as EVERYTHING being rigged with a 'trap door'. It was too busy, the action NEVER let up. The tank scene was just the Truck Chase from Raiders with some new twists. EVERYTHING being a booby-trap. His hat being INDESTRUCTABLE. Come on. In Raiders, he leaves his hat on Katanga' boat and doesn't wear it for like 15 whole minutes! It sure all hell doesn't blow back to him convienently after, oh, say, the Ark kills everyone. Also, the plot, characters, and everything about Crusade was just a re-hash of the original. Probably because people didn't like how 'different' and 'dark' Temple of Doom was. Ug. That pesky Jeffrey Boam. And, he's writing Indy 4, right? If so, BLAH! I just think that Indy 4 would take this 'safe route' again and not be daring. They should leave it be. And H Ford is too old. Lucas, you've got enough money. Let Indy rest. He's already good enough.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Temple Of Doom Was Pushing It

    by supamatt

    It was one thing to have Indian satanic High Priests and 700 year old Crusaders in the Indiana Jones movies, but this would beat all. The only supernatural aspect of the Indiana Jones movies that I thought they handled well at all was with the Ark Of The Covenant and that was because the surrounding plot made it seem that much more realistic and dramatic. I have never cared much for the other movies where no meaningful explanation is implied or given for the incredible silly events of the last two films. I just can't see the Indiana Jones that I have loved from the Raiders Of The Lost Ark film standing in the middle of a ficticious underwater city in his khakis and brown hat using his bullwhip to fend off an ancient Pharoah-god. It seems to stupid to comprehend and is not likely to be as believable as the first (and greatest) film was and if they can't make one as good as that, then they might as well not make one at all.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:30 p.m. CST

    INDY 4 ideas!!

    by Unicron

    I'm all in favor of a new Indiana Jones movie. Ever since The Last Crusade was released i've wondered if they'd ever consider making another. At first glance the Lost City of Atlantis seems like the perfect story for another movie. But if the rumors are true and the scriptwriter's have created a crazy alien goose chase then i'd rather them not even attempt another Indy movie. I'd much rather have Indy on a quest to raise the city of Atlantis without any aliens involved. They could even throw in a couple of nazi's trying to stop him for all i care. The aliens would bring a unnecessary element to a otherwise great series of movies. The alien theme has already been burnt out through movie like ID4 and we already have Star Wars Ep.1 coming up. I think Speilberg and Lucas will come up with something special, they always do.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 7:51 p.m. CST

    4 (OK, 5) elements of a good Indy flick:

    by Frank Rizzo

    Everyone thinks there must be Nazis to be a good Indy flick, but I don't necessarily think so. The reason they work so well is that you get a sense that if they ever got their hands on a powerful artifact, they could actually take over the entire world. The villains from Temple of Doom, well they were OK, but there was no way the audience could believe they were capable of conquering the world. They would probably have trouble keeping their goats herded up, much less conquering all of India, much much less all of the world. In other words, the "stakes" in an Indy film must be high. Of course, there aren't too many other modern, "real-life", hell-bent -on-world-domination villains around. Also, Harrison Ford is getting old--maybe a new Indy movie could be a prequel--going back when he was digging w/ Prof. Ravenwood....but this would only work IF they could cast a young actor of the caliber of Harrison Ford--not an easy task. Thirdly, I think that the pyramids could be a fascinating backdrop, (archaeologically speaking) if it were done right. There is growing evidence that the sphinx and the pyramids were not built by the Egyptians, but by a much much older "pre-great-flood" civilization. . Lastly, I think the critical element missing in the 2 Indy sequels was the search for religious truth (as someone already said) and the "moral" that was in Raiders--ie, "Trust in God". Well, OK, that and a scene of Indy casually shooting a guy armed only with a sword. (If a special edition of Raiders comes out in 2001, will we now see a "less bloodthirsty" Indy shoot only after being shot at first???)

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by The Biomind

    O.K. here goes: THE RUMOUR above is NOT true!!!!! I know a person who is in really high position at Lucasfilm and this guy told me the REAL story for INDY IV!! REALLY, I SWEAR!!! This is the plot: Indy is hungry and buys himself a sandwich. That

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Indy 4

    by 4-LOM/Zuckuss

    There is no way in hell that the movie will be like this. Indy will be fighting Nazis again, kicking some ass, and making the world a better place for all of us Nazi-haters. I agree: This is not The X-Files, b/c Indy is so much better than that.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I agree, implausible and lame...

    by Dudefish

    This really doesn't sound at all like an Indiana Jones plot. Indy's schtick is more that he's an archaeologist and professor. Occasionally he finds himself in a weird, perilous situation or embroiled in some aspect of world politics while in search of some fantastic relic because he's a GOOD archaeologist and gets close to the really hot, fabled items. For him to be confronted by aliens and Atlanteans and whatever else would just ruin the whole tone of the series. This story just doesn't belong. Indy is grounded in reality. He's our gateway to the more fantastic elements like the Holy Grail, etc. Without the real-world elements as the center of the story, the perspective is gone and we depart to fairyland. I'm glad that this story is bullshit.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Another thought...

    by Dudefish

    I read a long time ago that there was evidence that Atlantis was an Island in the Mediterranean Sea that suffered a volcanic explosion, destroying it entirely. There was also speculation that some of the events in the Bible involving the Jews walking through the desert could have been connected to the great clouds of ash, etc. caused by this explosion. I don't remember the details, but I think they carbon-dated some char marks on trees in Sicily (I could be misremembering the location as well...) and found the fiery event that charred them happened about the same time that scholars say the trek through the desert might have occurred. If it HAD to involve Atlantis, wouldn't these facts make for a much more interesting Indy movie somehow? No aliens, no survivors under the sea, but some magical artifact, perhaps, that survived the explosion and is being sought by everybody in typical Indy style? I'm just talking out of my ass, here, but I still think it sounds better than some retarded magical domed city under the sea populated by Stargate extras and some embalmed god.... If anyone has heard the same theories on Atlantis, please e-mail me. It might have been in a Carl Sagan book....

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 9:19 p.m. CST

    GOD I hope this ain't it!

    by Nihilon

    How fucking stupid! The thing about Indy films is that the supernatural elements are sprinkled around just enough to add mystery but they're not overdone to the point of being silly. I mean, c'mon, ALIENS? ATLANTIS? PHARAOH-GODs and MUMMIES? This ain't the X-Files! Indy films are action-adventures, not special effects extravaganzas.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 9:30 p.m. CST

    A History Lesson For Frank Rizzo

    by Indy_Fan

    Frank, I'm sorry to inform you, but there is no such thing as a "pre-great-flood" civilization since it would imply that there was a great flood. That's right people, Noah's flood NEVER happened. There is no geological evidence of a world-wide flood. Now that we got that straight, let's talk about the sphinx and the pyramids. Frank, you have been watching too many episodes of the X-Files. These monuments were created by the Egyptians, not by anyone else. That "anyone else" includes aliens from an assortment of different planets and lifestyle choices, as well as Linda Tripp. Frank, if you want to make an Archaeologist laugh, tell them your theories about the pyramids.

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 10:39 p.m. CST


    by VerbalKint

    No no, the knight said that the GRAIL may not pass the seal, meaning that you could not take the grail out and exploit it. Since Indy and his dad drank from the grail they are immortal. Other wise, wouldn't dad's wounds have re-opened as soon as he passed the seal?

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 11:28 p.m. CST

    indiana jones rumors

    by DanSh1138

    First of all I think that if and when they do end up doing something for this new Indy 4 movie it wont be a crap story because they could have made a crap story years ago. Ford doesnt seem too interested in looking like an idiot (well, unless you count that flick with Anne Heche) and Spielberg/Lucas/Ford aint gonna put their names on something that is crap. The Indiana Jones TV show was actually pretty good all things considered! The thing about the Indiana Jones stuff is that it was a younger time or a more innocent time, the Nazis were looking for these relics to be powerful. But basically, the war ended and America had the atomic bomb. Thats the kind of environment Indy would have to adjust to after WWII. The character is a pretty anachronistic one anyway, he is a go getter, calls em like he sees em kinda guy. He doesnt like politicians or governments (they took the Ark away from him in Raiders and you saw how upset he was) but after World War II it basically became ALL ABOUT politics and governments so we didnt blow ourselves to hell. I think an Indy script that addresses these elements will be good, but I doubt it will involve Nazis. The question is: World War II is over and America has in its hands the most powerful weapon ever created, to tell a good story how do you top that kind of danger or power? This is gonna sound kinda goofy, but I read once that one rumor involved Indy getting mixed up into something in Area 51, which would fit with the cloak and dagger aspect of the Cold War that a 50 year old Harrison Ford would have to play Indy in.. I guess we will all wait and see, but my bet is that it will involve something with the cold war, and it will be more of a thriller and cloak and dagger kinda thing. The bottom line is I think IF it does get made it will be good, Ford, Lucas and Spielberg can pretty much do whatever they want right now, my guess is if it will happen it will the same way Raiders did.. Between the first and second episodes of Star Wars.. so probably 2000 is a good guess.. WHAT I WANT TO KNOW RIGHT NOW IS: WHEN THE HELL AM I GOING TO SEE A LETTERBOXED VERSION OF RAIDERS DAMMIT?? Can anyone give me any idea? And also, wasnt there a rumored "Special Edition" series for Indy as well for their 20th anniversary?

  • Dec. 13, 1998, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Noah's Flood is pure mythology -- like Atlantis

    by Tootchko

    There's no physical evidence for a worldwide flood that had supposedly happened some 4000 years ago. Check on some of the research that has been done on calibrating the C-14 timescale. Trees kept on growing as if absolutely nothing had happened. However, Noah's Flood was most likely inspired by some big floods in the Tigris-Euphrates valley; simply imagine a really big one. Atlantis appears to be equally mythical -- there is no trace of a continent that had sunk 10,000 years ago in the mid-Atlantic. Plato's story is the only primary source on Atlantis, and his follower Aristotle had once stated that the one who dreamed it up was the one who made it disappear. However, Atlantis was likely inspired by several things Plato was familiar with -- the port of Syracuse in Sicily, stories of Minoan-era Crete that Solon had picked up in Egypt, and so forth. Plato's purpose was essentially moral -- he wanted to create a fable of an arrogant and corrupt society that ultimately got destroyed by the enemies it had made. But it's his villain (Atlantis) that got all the fame.

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 12:48 a.m. CST

    I have studied this...

    by Indy_Fan

    The flood you guys are talking about is different than Noah's flood. There is a theory that the earth was a one time covered by water, but that was fairly early in the earth's geological history and well before plants and animals. Noah's flood is a myth that was probably based on floods in the area. But let's show why the myth could never have happened: 1. There isn't enough water. 2. Freshwater fish would not have survived in a saltwater environment (Wanna have "fun" with science? If you put a freshwater fish in saltwater, it explodes.). 3. What about the plants? Many of them would have died. Even if some of them had survived, there wouldn't be enough for all the creatures after the flood. Remember, there also was no sun for 40 days. 4. What about the bugs? Many plant species require bugs for pollination. What about Coral Reefs, 5. Two of a kind is not enough for a species to survive. Ever heard of inbreeding? 6. There is no evidence of Noah's flood. --Also, C-14 dating and other forms of dating are fairly accurate. But you cannot get the date down a certain year or day. However, C-14 dating can only be used on fairly "young" specimens because it has a fairly short half-life.

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 12:59 a.m. CST


    by Indy_Fan

    Oh, by the way, I took a course on archaeology two years ago. The professor addressed your theory about the pyramids and Atlantis in a section entitled: Pseudo-Archaeology (look up what Pseudo means). Anyway if YOU had done some studying you would know that C-14 dating and carbon dating are the same thing. Lastly, I think we all can agree on one thing: the Atlantis idea for an Indy movie is stupid.

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Think about this....

    by tra

    First a little history........ The Spear of Destiny sometimes called The Spear of Longinus..... thought to have been the very Spear belonging to the Roman Centurian, Longinus, who pierced the side of Christ while he hung on the cross. This ancient sword has an unusual history connected with it having been the possession of such notables as Herod the Great, Constantine, Justinian, Emperor Charlemagne, Otto the Great, Kaiser Wilhelm, the Hapsburg Emperors, and Adolph Hitler. The author Trevor Ravenscroft describes how these men sought to possess it under the belief that whoever held the Spear, held the balance of world power. Heinrich Himmler, of Nazi-Gestapo fame, studied its dark history. Hitler, well-known for his interest in artifacts and religious relics, viewed the Spear as his most prized possession. Hitler recounted his first sight of the Spear, "I knew with immediacy that this was an important moment in my life....I stood there quietly gazing upon it for several minutes quite oblivious to the scene around me. It seemed to carry some hidden inner meaning which evaded me, a meaning which I felt I inwarldly knew yet could not bring to consciousness.... I felt as though I myself had held it in my hands before in some earlier century of history -- that I myself had once claimed it as my talisman of power and held the destiny of the world in my hands. What sort of madness was this that was invading my mind and creating such turmoil in my breast?". Dr. Walter Stein recalling the fateful events of Hilter's visit to the Treasure House in Vienna in September 1912 stated, "At that time when we first stood side by side in front of the Spear of Destiny it appeared to me that Hitler was in so deep a condition of trance that he was suffering almost complete sense-denudation and a total eclipse of self-consciousness." During a Press interview, Adolf Hitler confessed that he moved "like a sleep-walker where Providence dictates." Not until April 30, 1945, did the United States briefly become caretaker of the Spear of Destiny. Though American politicians and senior level military officers seemed little interested in the Spear Longinus, it was General Patton who appears to have been completely fascinated at the sight of the Spear of Destiny. Patton had its history traced as well as its authenticity confirmed. Only until the final decision came from General Eisenhower, was the complete Hapsburg regalia including the Spear Longinus returned to the Hofburg Treasure House where it remains today. Richard Wagner, one of Hitler's favorite composers, in his opera Parsival centered his theme around the Spear of Longinus as a result of his studies of the Heilige Lance in the Treasure House of the Hofburg. Now a theory...... circa 1955, Indiana Jones has been in troubled retirement, upset by his friend Marcus' recent death he is reading through Marcus' old papers and finds references to the Spear of Longinus, Marcus's pet project, like the Ark for Ravenwood.. The same shadowy government officials visit Indy and ask him about Marcus' involvment with the Heilige Lance and of course Indy has to go off and investigate. Turns out that Marcus has been murdered, by Nazi's hoping to bring Der Fuhrer's (or like that book by James Herbert, Himmler's..) bones back from the dead, resurrect the Third Reich and live forever in the happy knowledge that fascism is safe from the ravages of 1930's Archeologists. So off Indy goes to the Holy Land first, then to the Vatican where he gets help from a Papal organisation like Opus Dei or someone like that. Then finally to the Austrian Tyrol for the final showdown, with, his own brother whom the Nazi's have recruited. Imagine it, choosing between the human race and your own brother. Prospects throughout the film for mad cool flashbacks (a part for young Indy and his Da), a part for Sallah, lot's of chases, explosions and a real cliffhanger of an ending. Would you pay to see this......?

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Not Atlantis

    by Luke

    No! No! This Atlantis idea is sooo bad. In all the Indy films he has been looking for some Mystical Artefact, so what about Excalibur? This has all the elements we need in an Indy film. It's mystery, Indy doubting that it exists - there could even be a journey to Avalon and a meeting with King Arthur (like the knight in The Last Crusade) Indy showed that he could drink the cup of christ and survive, perhaps he could also prove his worth by pulling the sword from the stone. I'd go to see it.

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 4:51 a.m. CST


    by Kane

    This Atlantis/Ramses plotline sounds really familiar to me. Anybody else read those 'Choose Your Own Adventure Books' back around the early 80's? This could be good, though. Maybe the final treatment will involve IJ spelunking through the Cave of Time or maybe even finding out just who the hell killed Harlowe Thrombey! *dripping with sarcasm*

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Spouting forth flames of rettribution

    by holonet

    First....I cannot off-hand remember who posted the remark concerning the location of Atlantis and its volcanic demise. There are quite a few books which actually take an anthropological approach to the legend. According to soil layering and carbon dating there are two islands in the mediterranean thought to have been part of a larger island/volcanoe. Artifacts found on the two islands show that it was populated prior to the eruption and covering of ash. email me at, and I'll try and lookup the titles of the books for you. whomever decided to completely through out the pyramid theory and or flood theory (religious propaganda as I'm sure you'll consider it..), read the "Epic of Gilgamesh"..the oldest (and possibly first) legend/story ever to have been written (pre-dating the bible). A world-wide flood is spoken of. Katheryn Mailes, "Watery Grave - Axis Shifting and it's Geological Traces"..she provides scientific research into a flooding of 93% of the earth pre-dating Christ and the bible. And no, it's not religiously biased but research from a cynic's perspective. As for the of the bricks was off by at 1,000 years. Now to the real matter....the plot sucks, I've read better "teen-based trash novels" that you find in any gorcery store. Back to film school for you.

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 2:34 p.m. CST

    JDanielson and Indy_Fan's comments

    by Frank Rizzo

    OK, let's clear up a few things here. First of all, I am NOT an X-files fan, and yes I do think the idea of Indy finding an underwater Atlantis--still alive, no less! with aliens, etc. pretty dumb. Even archeologists with "unconventional" theories scoff at the idea of aliens building the pyramids, because there is NO PROOF! Still though, as JDanielson said, most of the Bible's stories are quite true, and can be explained by naturally occuring (if rare) events, ie, the star of Bethlehem was most likely a supernova, etc. You can argue that they were just freak accidents and not the work of God, or that they are described "colorfully" by the Bible. That cannot be proved or disproved, but many are based on some degree of truth. Besides, you can't "prove" that the Ark or the Grail exist, either. But that doesn't mean they don't, either. Yes, Indy_Fan, the 10,500 BC dating of the sphinx may make an archaeologist laugh. But if you would care to make a GEOLOGIST laugh, try and tell them that the erosion marks on the sphinx are from wind, and not from heavy rains. Hmmm, when was the last time that area of Egypt recieved heavy, sustained rains....probably the end of the last ice age, about 10,500 BC!!! Perhaps these rains flooded a great deal of the ancient world (not necessairily ALL) which would explain why virtually ALL world cultures have a legend of an ancient flood. Furthermore, the pattern of the great pyramids corresponds to the constellations of--you guessed it, 10,500 BC! The few hieroglyphs in the pyramids do not correspond to other Egyptian 'glyphs in the surrounding area, and the pyramids were built with a precision that we could not completely duplicate, even today! But OK, they were built by uneducated slaves, using copper (!!!) chisels to cut limestone and granite, in a span of a few decades, to be used as a tomb, never mind that no mummies were ever found. Ooo, you took a class 2 years ago, big deal, so did I. History is full of very intelligent theories defended by articulate scholars who were well-meaning but still wrong! And yes, the credentials of the geologists and archaeologists who are proposing a much older date for these ruins are just as good as those who disagree. Anyway, here is the main point I was trying to make: WHOEVER built them must have had a powerful, surprisingly advanced civilization. Perhaps in the next Indy film, he discovers a super-powerful artifact that was created by this advanced civilization, and must stop it from being used by the forces of evil, get the picture. As long as the aliens and the "still-living-but-hidden- underwater" part were left out, it might prove interesting...

  • Dec. 14, 1998, 2:54 p.m. CST

    The religious tie to the Atlantis Story...

    by dennis

    One does exist. The plot breakdown given here sounds like hokey crap. But...some historians do believe, with quite a bit of research to back them up, that a civilization like Atlantis could've existed. One that led to a great deal of scientific and mystical knowledge that has since been "lost" and was last seen at its full flourish in Ancient Egypt. The biblical tie in is that some believe what was known as Atlantis was in fact the Garden of Eden. An earthquake destroyed Atlantis, causing the inhabitants to flee to Egypt and the surrounding Mediterranian cultures. Moses is thought to be a possible survivor of this civilization (his name means "saved by water" in Egyptian. He was quickly assimilated due to his advanced knowledge of science and "magic". His scientific knowledge also lead to the creation of the Ark of the Covenant. I think that done correctly, it could make a very interesting movie, if they try to keep it intelligent and not some Candyland special effects blowout. It could be done in a post-Nazi world, with goverments of several countries racing each other for the ultimate prize.

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Rebuttal to Indy_Fan

    by wulher

    You commented that there never was a Great Flood. This is not entirely true...there has been evidence of a massive flooding event within the time frame that you are speaking of...whether or not this means that the notion of Noah and the Great Flood is accurate who knows.

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Rebuttal to jdanielson

    by wulher

    There never was a flood responsible for covering the entire most this great flood most likely covered large parts of the various continents but would not have covered te whole thing...predictions for the melting of the global glaciations, which are the storage for all water not in the waterbodies of the world, do not indicate a global flooding

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Indy 4

    by Claudia

    I agree about the Atlantis scenario - it's a load of crap! Somehow, I have the feeling that George Lucas never thought this up. Speaking of Lucas, why on earth did he decide to bring back Harrison Ford for another Indy film? The man is too old, unless Lucas plans to set the movie in post-WWII. I think he should do a trilogy of Indy films set in the late 1920s, based on the Rob MacGregor novels. And why on earth do we need Nazis as the villains again? The best villain in the entire Indiana Jones trilogy was Mola Ram, the Kali priest in "The Temple of Doom". Now, he was a scary SOB! Frankly, I've always wondered why Lucas had Indy battling Nazis in "Raiders". An entire Nazi regiment in 1936 Egypt?? Apparently, Lucas must have forgotten his history. Great Britain controlled Egypt from the late 19th century until the 1950s!

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 1:20 p.m. CST


    by Frank Rizzo

    True, a prequel Indy could be really cool and different, and Indy seems to have an interesting past w/ Marion and Dr. Ravenwood....but what young actor alive today could live up to Harrison Ford's standards? Suggestions, anyone?

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 2:34 p.m. CST


    by MIA006

    You need to watch it boy. I'm a Christian and I know a little about this Flood thing too. There has been a lot of evidence to support Noah's Flood. For instance, they have found plants that can only grow in water, on the top of mountains. Mountains which if they were covered by water would have to mean that probobly the entire earth was flooded. And I could go on. Also, in one of your reasens for there not being Noah's flood, you said two animals wasn't enough. Well no kidding! Guess what Mr. I took a Course, there were more then two. The old kid story about the animals going in two by two isn't entirely accurate. God gave Moses very specific instructions, trust me, there were more then two per animal. So do some more research and let's not bring this kind of argument into this thing again or else some very serious toes will be stepped on. If you don't like a movie idea, don't bring the Bible or anything else into it.

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 4:39 p.m. CST

    great idea?

    by saccharine7

    while your at it just rip off my head and shit right down my neck. yeah this is a great idea all right. fuckin A this idea is horrible. it doesnt even sound like i could sit through this movie. atlantis may be an idea but not this one. no strike that atlantis is horrible in fact this whole indy 4 is a bad idea. saccharine

  • Dec. 15, 1998, 5:07 p.m. CST

    the dilemma of Indy

    by bnfl

    Indy 1 was great, 2 so-so, and 3 OK. I don't know what this is but it isn't indy 4. Or at least it better not be. To quote, Indy has to "choose between the rise of the world's greatest archeological find and the death of the Atlanteans?" Really? That's a choice? An entire civilization or his own glory? That's the action of a hero? I think not. Anyway if he got down there why can't the rest of the world? And another thing, wouldn't a living breathing pre-history civilizartion be an even bigger scoop than a dead one? For a comparison, which of these does any reader think will make them mor famous? Finding a dead T-Rex or a live one? I'm sume Lucas knows to. And I won't even go into the saving a marrage thing.

  • Dec. 16, 1998, 8:28 a.m. CST

    INDY 4....Oi!!!!!!!!FUNMAZER!!!!!NO!!!

    by letseatcheese

    Well, I don't know about you, but I enjoyed the hat blowing back to Indy, in CRUSADE. It made me laugh and laugh and laugh!!! ALL HAIL THE HAT!

  • Dec. 16, 1998, 2:20 p.m. CST

    tomb raider?

    by dweiss

    Never mind IJ and the Fate of Atlantis, it sounds like this screenwriter's been playing Tomb Raider 1 a bit too much. Not to mention that a film adaptation of a comic book based on a character from an original movie just sounds like a bad idea.