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Quint watches more stuff blow up on the set of TRANSFORMERS!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. A lot has happened since my first visit to the TRANSFORMERS set back in May. They were in their first couple weeks of photography, out in the White Sand dunes of Alamogordo and I was about to take off for 2 months of relaxation and fun in the wintery Southern Hemisphere. I had been back home a whole month, after a 2 month trip and the hellish weekend that was Comic-Con, and they were still shooting this movie.

I was frankly quite surprised when Paramount invited me back for another exclusive, non-junket visit. I had broken the image of Optimus Prime in vehicle form and started a flame war. The fans were questioning the design and I know the filmmakers weren't happy that the image was out there, especially since it was riling up the fan base so much. When the invite came through for a late in the shoot visit to the downtown LA location, I was sure it was all a trick. I would fly all the way out there and be led into a blank room where it was just Michael Bay holding a print out of the Prime flame truck in one hand and the leashes restraining his hungry monster dogs in the other.

I accepted the invitation, though, and spent last Sunday on the streets of Downtown LA, once again watching shit blow up.

The location was Broadway where they had whole blocks to shoot. Primarily, they used Broadway between 8th and 9th St. As I was going to the location, I walked past a security guard who didn't seem to care one way or another who walked in (I actually later saw an obviously homeless man, with a broken shoe on one foot and a TRANSFORMERS call sheet sticking out of the front pocket of his ratty shirt, walk back and forth past this oblivious security guard). The very first thing I noticed was a stack of boxes with Hasbro printed on the sides.

I got all excited, thinking I might be able to uses my sticky-fingers to lift some brand new Transformers toys. When I got up to the boxes my smile was not rewarded and my sticky-fingers were put back to sleep. They were Furbie boxes. Lots and lots and lots of Furbie boxes. Whatever the hell they were doing on base camp, near catering, I did not know, but I unraveled this mystery before I left.

When I got to the street they were setting up for, I believe, the first shot of the day. It was around 8am when I arrived on the set, so if it was not the first shot of the day, it was one of the first.

Broadway was all sorts of fucked up. There were at least 20 automobiles of all shapes and sizes in various forms of destruction. Some just looked abandoned, some were crushed in, some were laying on top of others, some were on fire, some were reduced to nothing but an axle, some crushed steel and tires. Rubble was strewn all over the street and sidewalks.

But the most interesting bit of destruction were the giant piles in the street itself. It was pretty obvious to me when I first saw them that they were Transformer footsteps. The asphalt was crumpled upwards in giant, jumbled slabs, crumbling at the middle. These piles were 16-20 feet away from each other, with maybe 3 or 4 going down the length of the block.

I found out that one of the demolished automobiles, a big, flatnosed truck with a blown open rig behind it, is not just any truck. No, it's not an Autobot or Decepticon. It's a Hasbro truck. Click went the pieces in my mind. Apparently, this truck carrying a payload of Furbies, gets hit and explodes, sending thousands of flaming little Mogwai ripoffs flying through the air. That actually strikes me as pretty funny.

Along with the regular autos on the street were 2 or 3 small government vehicles, apparently belonging to a government faction called Sector 7. These automobiles are kind of like a cross between a dunebuggy and the Batmobile from BATMAN BEGINS. They are small with seating for 2 in the front and standing gunner position in the back, with a mounted chaingun on the back. Of the three, two of these vehicles were smashed, one tilting on the roof of a parked car and one flipped upside down at the intersection of Broadway and 8th. This is where they were going to film.

I went down to the intersection and stood out of the way as best I could. Josh Duhamel and Tyrese were across the street, getting last touches before the shot went up. They were both in camo, Tyrese wearing red beret. There were also another dozen men, half in camo and half in this sleek, black SWAT looking get-up. I was later told that these guys are Sector 7 soldiers.

There were 2 cameras on cranes, one on 8th, facing towards the Broadway intersection, the other past 8th on Broadway, looking down the street. There were also 2 cameras on dollies on the sidewalk and one small shoulder camera.

I heard the traditional "Welcome to Michael Bay's set" greeting as the shot began: "Rolling! Fire in the hole!"

The sequence's focus is the flipped over government Buggy. There are now two actors hanging out of the windows, injured. Duhamel, Tyrese and the team run to the buggy, firing up into the air behind them, down Broadway. A lot of extras are running around, freaking out at the destruction and the giant invisible robot that'll be added in post production. Duhamel spends some time making sure the civilians are safe (directly in front of one of the dolly cameras) and rejoins the group, who are gathered around the Buggy.

One of the large men in camo, a man named Tiny who I saw on the New Mexico set, a real life Navy SEAL, grabs one of the injured men and carries him on his back. A civilian in a tie is called over by one of the Army guys to help with other man. He runs over, checks the man and calls out that he's dead and runs off. More firing, then a cut. No explosions, just lots of gunfire.

I'm told that I have an interview with Shia LaBeouf and that he's ready to talk to me, but before I can make my way back to base camp, they run another take. Same thing, but this time with explosions. Hooray! I counted at least 2 on that take and then I got my first look at Bay. He yelled cut through a bullhorn, then walked in and gave the Army group shit. They had kept retreating while Duhamel was still checking on the injured men and Bay didn't like that. "C'mon, guys! This is your commander! You don't leave him behind. C'mon, guys!!"

They had to re-rig the explosives, so it was a good chance to make my way toward base camp and do my interview with Shia.

This interview was great. Easily 40-45 minutes and on the street, so we were constantly interrupted by the sounds of explosions and gunfire. Shia was very laid back, open, honest and enthusiastic. So much so, his enthusiasm couldn't help but spread to me. The interview was so good I'm going to post it as its own story. Keep an eye out for that within the week.

While I was talking with Shia Bay got the shot he wanted, so they were setting up another shot when I was walking back down the street. Bay was standing in the middle of the street, surrounded by crew. Bay noticed me and nodded an acknowledgment. I nodded back, then he broke away and walked up to me. Here it comes, I thought, and braced for the verbal or physical assault. However, he was all smiles and handshakes. He asked what I had seen so far. I told him I spoke with Shia and that I thought it was a great chat.

He seemed to really like Shia, praising his work in the film. He said that after Shia got cast Bay got a call from Steven Spielberg, saying how much he likes Shia, too, calling him a Young Tom Hanks. Bay said Shia has this kind of everyman feeling to him. He's not a geeky wimp, but he's not a jock either. He mentioned a scene involving some school bullies and how Shia's character uses his humor to confuse the jocks, who might or might not understand that this little guy is making fun of them.

The next bit they were setting up included a crane mounted on top of a futuristic looking car that I was told was some kind of Porsche, but the rig was Russian and apparently was not only mounted on the roof, but the interior of the automobile was decked out with monitors and controls. So, you have one guy driving and a team running the camera/crane as they move along. Pretty cool. You can see it a little in that footage that hit recently, along with a few glimpses of the Sector 7 buggies.

The scene was the same, but with different cameras, including this car/crane amalgam. There was also a guy running up and down the sidewalk with a shoulder-mounted 35mm film camera. It was during this set-up that I actually heard the civilian in the tie yell to the army guy that the man laying on the ground was dead.

The first take goes well, with tons of gunfire. I forgot to mention earlier, but along with the regular army issue machine guns there were bigger guns sprinkled within the special forces, most notably with Duhamel and Tyrese. These guys were big... You ever see the movie DOGS OF WAR with Christopher Walken? These guns were like Walken's huge-ass gun in that movie. I would guess it's a grenade launcher, with a giant rotating cylinder in the middle. Upon further research, I'd say it looks like the M-32 Grenade Launcher, but quite a bit smaller.

I must say it was pretty cool seeing a real street in chaos, filled with rubble, people running in terror and army guys firing loud, loud guns up at what will be an evil giant robot. The geek in me couldn't help but enjoy the scenario.

The second take went and this time Bay threw in a surprise. At least for me. I felt the heat before I saw or heard the explosion 20 feet to my right. I was standing away from the sidewalk so I'd be out of the way of the cameraman with the shoulder-mounted cam. I don't know if there was a malfunction for the first take or not, but clearly this fireball was meant to go up in this scene and I was totally unprepared for it. I didn't get hurt or anything, but it's a little disconcerting to be watching some army men firing blanks at a giant invisible robot and then feel a gust of wind on my face that reminded me of opening up my oven when it's been cooking all day, followed by an amazingly loud pop and a flash of light.

I asked if we knew which Decepticon was causing this mayhem and my Paramount friends, Karl and Mickey (who, incidentally, I got to see put on his Ari Gold face whenever his assistant was around), weren't sure. The only name I heard brought up was Starscream, but that wasn't 100%. If true, then I can at least say I've felt the heat of Starscream's laser blast, which is some kind of geek merit badge, I think. Or maybe Bay was trying to kill me... which is a different badge. I need 'em both, so whichever is cool.

I was pulled into a quick interview with Josh Duhamel around this time. I had about 5 minutes to chat before he was called back to work in front of the camera. It wasn't long to talk, not like the massive amount of time I had with Shia, but Duhamel proved to be an easy guy to converse with. Very laid back, very natural. Here's the chat:

QUINT: Can you tell the readers a little something about your character? You're obviously an army man...

JOSH DUHAMEL: Well, I guess the backstory is that he's a Special Ops guy, the captain of a Special Ops team over in Iraq. His main purpose for getting through this whole thing is because he just wants to get home. His wife just had a baby that he hasn't seen yet. He's like, 3 months old. Basically, that's as far as we and then Boom! That's when they come. So, you know... It's hard to talk character because it's one of those movies that's more about what's happening right now. Does he have enough character to get through this?

QUINT: So, we'll discover your character through your actions as the story goes...

JOSH DUHAMEL: Right, right. How he reacts and how he's able to lead his men. He loves his guys. This is basically his family when he's not home, so it's all about making sure that they get back and just figure out a way to beat these things.

QUINT: You were born in the '70s, right?


QUINT: So, you were a kid when TRANSFORMERS hit.


QUINT: Did you follow it at all or were a little too old by the time the Transformers came around?

JOSH DUHAMEL: What was the actual year it came out? Do you know?

QUINT: I think it was like '84.

JOSH DUHAMEL: Yeah, so this was right when I was... Yeah, I played with these quite a bit. I mean, I was... 12 years old then, but I still remember watching 'em on TV, you know? And I had them and everything. It's definitely something I grew up with.

When I first heard they were going to be doing a movie, I didn't know what to expect. I remembered the cartoons and playing with the toys and then I knew that Michael Bay was doing it and Spielberg was doing it, so I knew it was gonna be well thought out beforehand. And they were going to get the scope and there was going to be a huge evolution from what we knew of the Transformers before and what they conceived afterwards. They just made them a lot more modern.

The art is what blows me away the most on this. I've seen pictures of all of them, I've seen some CGI of what they're going to do. It's just so insane.

QUINT: I sat down with Bay before they started filming and he showed me some animatics... I like how everything I saw had a relation to the world we live in...

JOSH DUHAMEL: Well, that's exactly why it works, I think. It's not in some other world, it's not in the future. It's right now. It deals with current things. We're over in Iraq when these things first hit, which I think people watching will... You know, it will ground it, it'll make it feel real. It's going to feel real, like this is really happening.

The technology that they're using... they're using the most advanced CGI that they have now, so it's going to look insane, these cars and whatnot turning into these things will look like the real deal. Not only that, but I think that the fact that they wrote it with a lot of humor, too, so it doesn't take itself too seriously. It's not always impending doom and it's not way over the top. There are moments when it's very serious, but there's also moments where it's light and funny. It has some levity to it.

But what you said with the animatics and sitting down with him before, I got to do that, too. That's what I mean by what, to me, makes Bay so incredible at what he does. The amount of organization, the amount of prep that goes into this stuff. And coordination beforehand. It shows up on the screen because there's so much detail that's been thought out before we even get here. It's amazing. To me, probably more than most because I've never been on a set like this. I've never seen anything at this scale.

Usually behind the camera on the day he totally gets it. A lot of that is because he preps so well and works so hard before we even start shooting.

QUINT: Which Transformer is your personal favorite?

JOSH DUHAMEL: Good question. You know what? I gotta say... I haven't seen any of the Decepticons really. I've seen Devastator, the tank... and I guess I've seen the helicopters and stuff, but I haven't seen what they look like (as robots). As far as the Autobots, I gotta go with Ironhide, the truck. I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because I own a black truck. But I was thinking... If I was a kid, if I was 10 years old, and I wanted one of these to play with the first one I'd get is probably Ironhide.

I also like Bumblbee just because he's a cool Camaro. Plus, I drive the old Camaro on LAS VEGAS, so I have a real affinity for that, too.

He had to be pulled away, back to the shot.

They moved the cameras again, this time Bay's video village was set up right next to me. Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura catches sight of me and gives me a warm greeting. I spent some time with Lorenzo during pre-production of STARDUST in London. He sat me down and showed me tons of art and walked me through the Pinewood sets then (read about that visit here!!!). We got along pretty well.

He was again all smiles, but had to go entertain the International press that showed up around noon. I saw him occasionally for the rest of my time on set leading around around a group of Asian reporters. When he left me standing at the canvas chairs, I noticed I was alone at the video village... Well, not totally alone. I looked over and Michael Bay was sitting there, turned in his chair, looking at me. There was an uncomfortable silence for a moment. He looked like he was struggling with something.

"Listen, I want to say something," he said.

"Okay..." said I.

He said that he knew there were a lot of people bitching and whining and bitching and bitching (his words) since the Optimus Prime vehicle pic hit the net. "The reason I went with the flames was to be able to define Prime's mid-section when he's a robot." Apparently, the flames are set sort of like ribs on the robot Prime, giving his mid-section more than just a monotone look. He also assured me that Prime was definitely red and blue, that the paint job from that angle made the blue look black. He also said that the only reason he picked a long-nose truck instead of a flat-nose truck was purely for the additional mass.

I told him that I believed that every single person being vocally negative about the film wants this film to be great. They might not trust him or what he's doing, but nobody is out there hoping Bay messes this movie up. They want to see a badass live action TRANSFORMERS flick. I said if he could nail the robots, then the majority of the people will forgive whatever changes they don't like.

He smiled and was really giddy about what they've done so far. He said they've fully rendered the Skorpinok sequence I've described in animatic form and said it was badass. Bay also said he counted 11 different set pieces in the film, saying that the film just moves like a shot and he can't wait for people to see it.

Bay also talked about Peter Cullen, saying that he was happy that Cullen was voicing Prime again. After Cullen does his voice work, Bay wants an actor to come in and make a video reference of the delivery for each of the lines, to give the animators something to work with. He said Cullen's voice was note-perfect, but he wanted a screen-actor to actually act out the lines so the animators could look at it. Apparently they have a program where they can put in an actor's face and watch a rough Optimus act, conforming slightly the characteristics of the face. Bay talked about playing around with footage of both Robert De Niro and Hugo Weaving with this program and seeing the De Niro and Weaving versions of Optimus Prime. He stressed it wasn't motion capture.

He couldn't have been happier with ILM's work so far. Can't wait to get a glimpse of that stuff.

Bay was pulled away and I sat down, catching up on my notes. Tyrese was sitting behind me, in the shade of an awning. He thanked me for the mention in the last piece and, with a laugh, promised my $1,000 check for mentioning his production company (HQ Entertainment at was on its way. Sweet, here comes my second imaginary payday! Woo-hoo!

They had a shot ready with Megan Fox, the first time I've seen her do any work in all my visits. She is adorable in person. I can understand why she has a following. I never spoke with her, as it seemed she only had one shot the first half of the day.

She was in a light pink sweater and covered in dirt, smudges all over her clothes and face. Her hair was tied back into a pony tail. She was amongst the destruction on Broadway, looking down the street, and was supposed to be reacting to a series of explosions. Bay called her over to show her some footage they had shot already leading up to this moment. I wasn't within view of the monitor, but I could hear Shia yelling.

Some time had passed since the last set up, so Bay stood up and lit a fire under the crew's asses. "C'mon guys! We're losing our energy!" Then he's hit with a thick cloud of smoke from a smoldering, crushed in delivery van. "Too much smoke," he yelled. "Oh, God! That's some stinky shit!" They get the cameras ready and one of the set decorators wants to take a moment to put something that'll make steam come out of the van before they roll. Bay: "Fuck the steam! Let's move!" And so they moved.

Megan went back to her general starting point area and Bay called for the cameras to roll immediately. Megan looked panicked and called out something like, "What am I supposed to do?" Bay didn't hear her. Megan looked to the AD and mouthed, "I don't know what to do." The AD started to say something when Bay called "Action!" and called out the 3 explosions. "BOOM!" He waited while Fox just stood there. "BOOM!" Again, she didn't move. Bay said, "React!" She called back, "I don't know what I'm supposed to do!" Bay called, "Cut!" and walked over to her. She repeated that she wasn't told what to do. Bay pointed at the AD and said, "This is your fault," and told her again where the cameras were and how she was supposed to react.

The next take Bay yells "Boom! Boom! Boom!" with about 3 seconds pause between each. Megan's reaction was a kind of lame shoulder jump, like she was giving an exaggerated shrug. Her breath is heavy... with worry, I'd guess, but her face didn't really show much from the distance I was watching from, about 20 feet away. She then runs across the street to a tow truck with "Mike's Towing" stenciled on. She flips open a panel on the truck like she's going to grab for something and they yelled cut.

Bay didn't like the reaction she gave, so he asked "Can we get some explosions?" Of course they'd have to rig these up and that'd take time, but then one crew member joked about just shooting a gun. Bay, dead serious, agreed. "Why don't we get some gunfire? Let's get some gunfire!" Next take, sure enough one of those DOGS OF WAR guns were pulled out and instead of Bay yelling "Boom!" three times, they had 3 loud blasts from the gun. She jumped each time a little better, but to my untrained eye she still just looked like she shrugging her shoulders while breathing heavy. When she ran to the tow truck this time it was clear they unleashed twice the amount of extras running down the sidewalk than what was in the previous take. Little Megan Fox got damn near bowled over by the extras running at full speed. It was like watching a linebacker tackling a cheerleader when she got hit, but they never crashed to the ground and she was okay and still ran to the tow truck.

I was having a conversation with Executive Producer Mark Vahradian during the break after they got what they wanted from Megan. He asked about upcoming 2007 movies I was looking forward to. Of course I said SPIDER-MAN 3, PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN 3, 300... Bay walked by us and stopped to listen in to me talking about SPIDER-MAN 3. He just kind of nodded his head and said it was a mistake for them not to have had a presentation at Comic-Con. I assume he saw all the coverage all those movies got out of the Con and how excited people were. They did announce Peter Cullen returning to voice Optimus, which was something, but I told him they really should have run an animatic of Optimus transforming. I've seen some of these things and they are goddamn cool. He just shook his head.

Before I left the set I saw 2 more sequences shot. The first one I'm talking about was actually the last sequence I saw before they broke for lunch. It had Tyrese, Duhamel and their men ducking for cover in the middle of the street, using overturned cars for protection. The shot starts on a soldier on the ground, part of an undercarriage laying over him. It's like he just narrowly avoided getting blown up. Before the shot Bay had the actor push the tire so it was still turning when the shot started. The man gets up, pushes the debris off him, shakes it off and the camera whips up to Tyrese and Duhamel who have a heated conversation. It starts with both calling out to the men, asking if anybody is hurt.

I didn't have headphones, so the only part of the conversation I heard clearly were the bits that were yelled. The gist of the conversation has Duhamel expecting back-up, I think, but Tyrese, radio in hand, tells him that whatever they were expecting to back 'em up was not effective. Duhamel whips his head up to the skies above the street, his eyes widen and yells, "Threat at 12 o'clock! Threat at 12 o'clock!" And then it's a cut.

Bay wanted a pause in there as Duhamel's character stops frantically reloading and looking around for enemies. Whatever Tyrese tells him weighs heavily on his character and Bay wants us to see that. Duhamel took a few more takes to get it right, but he eventually did. I was watching the takes playing on the sound man's little TV. If I have a problem with what I saw Megan Fox doing, then my opinion of Duhamel is completely opposite. I could see the gears turning as he processed what Tyrese was telling him, letting the bad news sink in. This guy has it and if he picks the right projects he's going to be a massive star.

The other scene I saw actually had a couple transformers in it! Pretty good Autobot sequence, actually. They were only in vehicle form, but it was still very cool. This was a long shot of the Army group running down the length of Broadway, for the entire block. Explosions are all around them. At least half a dozen. They're firing up the air again, but this time Ironhide and Ratchet drive, backwards, around the corner in front of the group. They drive backwards down the block, giving cover to retreating men.

You've probably seen Ironhide and Ratchet by now, but if you're not sure which vehicles they are, Ironhide is a big, black pick-up truck and Ratchet is a combo-hummer/ambulance, yellow. On Ironhide's tailgate is an embossed Autobot logo and stuck to the rear of Ratchet is a giant circular sticker that is divided into 4 sections, each depicting a rescue scenario. The slogan on the truck is something like To Rescue and Protect. In the middle of this circular sticker, connecting all 4 images, is the Autobot logo.

They broke for lunch, which was my cue to leave. I waited a minute while the crew cleared out and then approached the two Autobot vehicles. I had to touch one. They were parked one in front of the other, Ironhide's front bumper close to Ratchet's rear bumper. Up close the embossed tail gate was even cooler than far away. If this movie turns out to be complete, unwatchable, unrecognizable crap, I still guarantee there will be a huge influx of Transformers customized cars. Hell, I want an Autobot logo stamped into my piece of crap 95 Ford Escort.

Ironhide is huge. The bottom of the driver's side door was about 4 feet off the ground, with no footstep. Ratchet also looked cool up close and personal. After I had my geek moment of respectful appreciation, I left the set.

Once again, the overall feeling I got from my time on the set is that Bay is going for broke in terms of the scope of the film and the action involved. This will be a huge action spectacular, no doubt. The only real question is really how much Transformers fans will be able to recognize. Bay's making progress into the fan's territory. He's hired Peter Cullen, he obviously reads what you guys say whenever a story is posted. But it's clear he's making his movie. We'll see if he hits that balance of fun movie for the masses and one respectful to the source material. No matter what, he's certainly a fun character to write about and I've had a lot of fun watching him work. I hope I'll have just as much or more fun next summer in the theater. I mean, is it really that hard to mess up a giant fighting robot movie?


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  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST


    by buddickman

    Great report!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Oh Quint ...

    by Rearden

    ... out there, living it for the rest of us. March on, brave soldier ... march on.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    Paramount must be pretty happy with this site...

    by Forestal

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:37 a.m. CST


    by brokebackcowboy

    That's as close to First as I know I'll get ...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST

    They should be happy as hell...

    by Harysuxafat1

    the pic is out now when they can actually make some changes instead of it hitting theaters and people screaming about ghey flames. I'd say another The Island this fellow does not need.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Well Done Quint

    by Aintitshot

    That's telling it like it is. God Bless you son. God Bless you.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:51 a.m. CST

    That is one Jugg Fuckling good article!

    by brokebackcowboy

    I'm sure that gave Aintitshot a nice tingly sensation. Transformers will rule! *What am I saying?!* I am so tired. The Demon must go to bed now.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST


    by Renholder

    Does anybody else think that this would have been cool if done like A Scanner Darkly? This way it's animated but still has a cool modern feel too wouldn't even have to alter the robots with flames or include actors that are generally introduced as former underwear models.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Quint hit the nail on the head

    by RevSick

    at least for me, I don't want this movie to fail, I want this movie to be everything I was hoping. But with what I've seen thus far, untill I see something else I'm going to be wary. I don't need flawless replication, I'm alright with Prime, I understand changing the car models, but the rest just doesn't give me a warm feeling. I don't want to be told to wait till I pay ten bucks, I've done that enough, Aliens Vs. Predator, Halloween Resurection, Star Trek Nemesis, amongst others, I've had enough of being told to wait and see and getting jacked out of my money, show me something that makes me want to see it and I'll see it. I've seen way too many bad movies, I did work for Tromaafter all, and it's all fine and dandy when I pay two bucks to rent it, or see it for free, but it's another when I pay ten to see it in a crowded theater.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Nah i don't think that would work to well...

    by mattyholmes

    you wanna see this shit full action and for real.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Primes Flames Suck

    by Eh-Nam13

    I Hate the flames, who cares about ribs the flames look like they belong in Over The Top with Sly.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    I don't mind the flames...

    by Rindain

    Prime looks great so far, can't wait to see him tranform. Bay has been really cool too with his interaction with fans...he didn't have to explain why he went with the flames, but he did. All of this will be moot anyway when the first real trailer hits, I believe.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST

    So did he get the Characters right

    by Phategod1

    or is there still too many Humans i saw nothing that made me feel warm and fuzzy I dont know and niether did Quint really say this looks like its going to be a great movie either.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST

    You didn't give him shit about Megatron? You pussy!

    by sevadro

    2000 hits for one fucking article and you neglect to say something about Megatron? You know damn well that nobody had a problem with the Optimus flames once they got a glimpse of Bay's Megafuck. I'm sick of your fucking pussy-footing! Just admit that you, Bay, Di Bonaventura, and pretty boy Mccoy Josh Duhamel don't know shit!!!! Fuckers!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:30 a.m. CST


    by Aintitshot

    You have to go back to the kiddie table now.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Hey, sevadro - sorry, DICKHEAD.

    by johnmikeoos

    The set visit happened WAY before the Megatron picture hit. So chill the fuck out and fall back on your other reasons to hate AICN.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:54 a.m. CST

    I wonder: When Hot Rod shows up in part 3...

    by AreWeNotMen?

    ...and he DOESN'T have flames emblazoned across his chest, is anyone gonna bitch?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST


    by 69DUDE

    Is he going to be voicing Ironhide as well? Just like he did in the cartoons??

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    sorry JohnMikeoos

    by Aintitshot

    set visit happened Sunday AFTER megatron picture This site is bought

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:02 a.m. CST

    I said it before and I'll say it again...

    by Ronins Fire

    God I love being a turtle. No but seriously, we can't blame Bay for the robot designs, that's all Hasbro they are the one's with the toys, it is their property after all. Besides, Spewberg is more to blam than Bay.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:19 a.m. CST

    A little something I posted over at Seibertron....

    by RevSick

    I understand I'm new here, but my post count doesn't void the validity of my post. I've never, ever, seen someone as unprofessional as Don Murphy. Now when he was posting stuff on his own boards that was fine, they're his boards, I paid it no mind. Then he decided to pick on Kneon for stating his opinion of the direction of the design, as an artist I agree with Kneon the design of Megatron is bad, he was polite about it and that should have been that. But Don chose, note the wording there, he CHOSE to go after him lobbing personal insults his way in a very childish manner. He couldn't defend the design change so he chose to attack Kneon personally. Then he decides to go on the attack on AICN and Seibertron, thinking everyone should be kneeling before his feet because he decided to step down from on high to mingle with us little people. And when he does he's every bit as vitriolic and mean spirited while simultaneously asking that everyone else treat him with respect although none has been earned. I know another person in the film industry who does that Mr. Murphy, and that's Uwe Boll and don't think that that attitude has done him any favors. I have a message for you Mr. Murphy, I do not have to give you my money, and neither does anyone else. We will not "wait and see" when you've given us no reason to. You've done everything to piss on everyone who has a disagrement with your handling of this property, and then you complain to your "stooges" that we're the bad guys, we're the villians. Excuse me if I'm wrong but aren't you the producer of this film, aren't you part of the decision making process that agrees to things like rolling out a giant G1 style Optimus Prime truck at Comic-Con 05? Did you not see the video presentation at comic con that was extreamly focused on G1? Were you not apart of any of these decisions, were you not privy to this information? Are you trying to claim that you had nothing to do with any of the direct references and claims that were made relating this film to G1? And you wonder why we're upset, you wonder why we're not just going along with it, handing you our money? The answer is simple, you lied to us, you missed the point and you won't admit it, you thought all we wanted was giant robots, but you were wrong, so very wrong. There are so many wonderfull people in the film industry, I've met many, they are gracious and willing to admit their misteps. You sir are giving them all a bad name, all the people who bust their asses to make films, all the people from gaffers, to PAs and the rest of the people it takes to make a film are all given a bad name by the actions you've chosen to take in your "defense" of your "Transformers" film. If the powers that be are smart they will remove you from this film all together, for you are tainting this film even more so by your precence and association than that hideous Megatron design. I would not see this movie simply because it will put money in your wallet and you are not deserving of one dollar of anything made off of this film. You should not be let anywhere near a film set ever again for the disgraceful way you have handled yourself and you owe everyone here and transformers fans everywhere, whether they have been a member for years with thousands of posts or a lowly newbie like myself making their first post, whether they've been a fan since the original release of G1 or someone who's recently discoverd it an apology.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:24 a.m. CST

    Great write up Quint..

    by Spyhunter

    BTW, anyone know when the next trailer is supposed to hit?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Ronins Fire, do you even know what you are saying?

    by nomihs

    "We can't blame Bay for the robot designs?" Are you joking? Sure it's Hasbro who has final say on TOY DESIGN, but Bay has more control on the FILM DESIGN than you think. He is the director after all, and "Spewberg" as you call him is not more to blame than Bay. Spielberg, which this is how you spell it since you are too lazy to look it up, has been covert on this one and probably for good reason. And "God I love being a turtle?" is one of the dumbest lines from all the dumb lines from TMNT, plus this is the Bayformers hating talkback, not the quote a crap line from a mediocre kids show.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:29 a.m. CST

    I've reached the point I *DO* want this movie to fail.

    by Horseflesh

    I was more excited than anyone when I found out they were actually going forward with this project. But... "I mean, is it really that hard to mess up a giant fighting robot movie?" THIS is the problem and has been all along. This is NOT a Tranformers movie. This is a Michael Bay giant robot movie. I could give two fucks. The script is AWFUL (I don't care what Bay said about having the only copy of the script, the shit they have filmed already was OBVIOUSLY some of the same shit I read) and I don't recognize the characters. BAD script, UNKNOWN characters... why should I give a FUCK? Fuck Bay for thinking he can remake a classic in his own image and fuck Don Murphy for his attitude problem. I hope this movie bombs. My Transformers are clearly dead and never coming back. I hope they lose a fortune while raping the corpses.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:37 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    "this is the Bayformers hating talkback, not the quote a crap line from a mediocre kids show."

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST

    I'm suddenly excited to see this thing...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...Sounds like Bay's directing like James Cameron - y'know, screaming and shouting at people and hoping that motivates them. I'm actually eager to see this film, though, and I guess that was the point of inviting Quint back. Good also to see Bay listening to our concerns about the flames and everything (which I wasn't too fussed about), maybe he'll listen to our concerns about Megatron looking like a big silver dog plop.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST


    by ScarranHalfBreed

    I'm intrigued. I know nothing of Don Murphy. Think I'll do a Google on him.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:14 a.m. CST

    I am so hoping they'll greenlight a "GoBots" movie...

    by Psyclops

    ...So we can all get worked up into a frenzy about Leader-1 being turned into a Russian MiG-29 with purple fins instead of a standard grey F-15 Eagle. Or how Cy-Kill is now a some kind of intergalactic Gobotronian Vespa with additional sidecar. Man, I'm starting to love these "Transformers" talkbacks! I guess some of what Quint reported sounds promising but the things I've gleaned from that leaked script are just downright awful (like the Energon Cube giving "spark" to an iPod and an X-Box, causing them to sprout tiny arms and legs and throw temper tantrums). As for the flames on Prime, I'm not too worried. He looks pretty impressive in his robot mode and he still retains some of his classic design, unlike Megatron and Starscream who both look like liquid shit.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:16 a.m. CST


    by RevSick

    If you go on IMDB you'll find his name conspicuosly missing from the Transformers list of credits, hmmmmm, curious.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Anyone remember ROCK LORDS?

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    Basically robots that turn into, um, rocks. How dificult were THEY to design? I had a big, perfectly round silver one. Obviously.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:25 a.m. CST

    You know

    by RevSick

    It really makes a guy feel great that he can make a millionaire so pissed off with a few choice words, Huzzah everyone!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST

    "...Like the Energon Cube giving "spark" to an iPod...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    "...causing them to sprout tiny arms and legs and throw temper tantrums." That better be a fuckin' joke. Just been to Murphy's website and - wow, what a cock. I wonder what creative flair this cunt actually posesses, apart from insulting the very people that he's trying to sell his product to.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST

    not a joke

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST

    I stopped reading

    by Lost Prophet

    when Quint was describing how Bay failed to get enough of an emotional response from his actress, so blew more shit up (that's motivating your actors!) this told me everything I need to know about the twat's utter inability to direct human beings- and seeing as he has made humans the focus off the movie, well- there are going to be some pretty wooden, shitty performances,

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by photoboy

    They've comepletely fucked the TF designs, what's the point of AICN even covering this film anymore? We all know Bay has totally screwed it up.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I wish I was joking.

    by Psyclops

    The iPod thing is actually in the script. The one scene that has been rumored lately that isn't featured in the script but is hinted at in Quint's article is the Furby scene. Apparently, the dolls that are tossed from the Hasbro truck are hit by a random pulse from the Energon Cube and are given life (this is the scene in the script where various mechanical and electronic devices are hit with the "spark," including the X-Box I mentioned). I'm sure we'll be in for some gut-busting laughs next summer when FURBY GOES APESHIT!, an idea so brilliant it would make a mutant Hulk-poodle jealous.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:23 a.m. CST

    GoBots and Mask would be cool but

    by DirkD13"

    I want a Centurians movie, (does anyone actually remember them or was I heavily medicated as a child?)

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:31 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Welcome to the party, pal.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:40 a.m. CST

    These Set Reports

    by Playhouse

    You know, it's kind of sad to read these reports. You get these interviews with these actors who really want to make a quality film and have a good time and let that come through on-screen for the audience. Even Bay seems enthusiastic for the film (his film not necessarily a TF film) and it's hard to fault the guy for his gumption. But then you see the skeleton & framework that they have to work with, that they are hanging their work on and you just have to be sad. Yes, with all of this talk about there being script rewrites since the leaked Prime Directive script from February, it's painfully obvious that the basic story structure is still in place and more than likely that both the characters and the dialogue really haven't been improved on that much. In fact, adding little bits like the flaming Furbys only serves to make this film more groan-inducing. And while I can't fault Bay his enthusiasm, I can fault him for moving forward with such a lackluster script. Yes, the script is merely a blueprint from which to build a film. What actually appears on film, what gets cut together, performances from actors, can actually bring a film to life in ways that a script can't really show. But the script and the story are such a vital part of any movie that they have to be good in order for the rest of the production to move up from there. And what we're seeing - as much as I'd like to get excited (just not happening) - just seems to be garnish on a plate mediocre. Again, I think the biggest disservice comes down to this belief that it's just a movie with "giant fucking robots fighting." That attitude and approach is steering this film into forgettable.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:43 a.m. CST

    Dear, oh dear...

    by fortheloveofgod

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Oh my God.

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    That's terrible. I'm speechless.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:49 a.m. CST

    of course Bay's enthusiastic

    by Lost Prophet

    I usually am with enough coke to give the ghost of Pablo Escobar a hard on jammed up my nose. This Just in: Other things Bay's enthusiastic about- 1) Junk Mail, 2) Drugs, 3) daylight 4) Drugs 5) cartoons, 6) Drugs, 7) THINGS GO BANG BANG, 8) Drugs, 9)Music with a pounding beat, 10) Drugs, you get the idea.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Just more hypocracy from AICN.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Harry and gang screamed and cried and bitched about X3. How nothing was even remotely right with the film. I was an abomination, yadda yadda yadda. They never reported anything on the film, and left other sites to cover it, while they gushed all over Superman & Singer. Now they are doing it with Transformers. Out of the three X-Men movies, X3 feels most like the comicbook. Ridiculous plot, too many characters, and forced drama is what makes Uncanny X-Men fun... Harry saw it as a bastardization. A rape of his childhood. X3 even had a fairly faithful look to the comics. Transformers the Bay Movie doesn't even have that. Anyone who has seen the Masterpiece Optimus toy knows that you can make a stellar 3D articulated transformer that looks like the cartoon. Why did they then have to go with the crappy designs that insult the 30 year legacy of Transformers? What's worse is AICN GLORIFIES Bay and praises him for doing his own thing. What is the deal with Megatron and Starscream? They look NOTHING like transformers. They look like rejects from a Power Rangers cartoon. I swear to god, Megatron better be a guy in a rubber suit with the way he looks. Where is Megatron's plasma cannon? Where is ANYTHING from the source material in this movie? This movie is setting itself up to stand alongside such film classics as "Mario Brothers," "Masters of the Universe," and "Street Fighter." Maybe they'll get Dolph Lundgren to wear the rubber Megatron suit. I hope this movie bombs horribly. I hope it ruins alot of people's careers.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    correction... I wiki'd it... Megatron's gun is a FUSION

    by W3bzpinn3r

    cannon. I don't want any fanboy nerds chasing me around town.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Yea, the furby thing does sound funny

    by clockpolitiks

    I'll look forward to that in the movie, lol.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST

    the more I look at it

    by Lost Prophet

    the more hiring cullen looks like a pretty shitty sop to the fans. It almost screams "Look, I have done something for you, be grateful, come give me your money"

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay for the voice of Unicron!

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    And FUCK Don Murphy. Let's just get Tarantino to push him around again. I'd rather pay to see footage of that as opposed to some 2 hour Bay cliche fest where he does more damage to Transformers than Unicron ever did.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST

    Sucking Don

    by Playhouse

    They're sucking Murphy off again on his board. Yippee. They bitch and moan about us bitching and moaning about the movie and yet fail to see that we have serious and legitimate gripes and want nothing more than to see, first, a quality film made and second, a superb Transformers story told. They think we're a mindless hating horde when the truth is they are blindly following this simp around, answering to the always-unifying call of "stooges". I will give it up to the few brave souls who post on there challenging the popular "opinion" on that board. Here's to hoping they don't get banned.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    And The Bitching Goes On...And On...And (Yawn)

    by TrueRed

    Will all you bitchers and whiny little fuckers please please... SHUT THE FUCK UP!! For christ's sake what's wrong with you? What are you, like 12? At least let them complete the movie, see it and THEN say what you think. I've been a Transformers fan since '84 and I really can't wait to see this. It isn't the Comic Books, it IS'NT the cartoon, it's a big-ass live action movie and changes had to be made. All the designs so far look really cool (especially Prime). So how about we have a little less of the stupid, childish "Prime has flames so my entire life is ruined" and "I hope it ruins people's careers" BULLSHIT.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Sounds pretty cool

    by LittleDudes

    The changes are iffy but it should be a solid action romp. Funny web-comic -

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    I actually suspect that

    by Lost Prophet

    you are a plant TrueRed. If I look at your post it reads either that a teenager or a plant wrote it, seeing as you say you have been a fan since 84 then you can't be a teenager. I personally couldn't give less of a fuck about flames on prime. That is not a big deal to me. I haven't been a fan since 84, but I do remember it, and what pisses me off is the unrecognisable Megatron and the dire script. Both of which are legitiamate concerns. Feel free to drown me out in a hail of CAPITAL letters now.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:10 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Read the script and see how the leaks and the set reports and even the interview with Murphy and DeSanto corroborate everything that's in it. No character = not a movie worth seeing. I don't care if it's a Transformers movie or the latest Oscar-bait drama. These designs are one thing. But there isn't a single thing in the script that comes close to nailing the characterizations of the TFs in any incarnation. And the characterizations that are there, or lack thereof, speak to rather staid and uneventful movie. It literally will be just robots beating the hell out of each other, which is still only relatively in the third act. They could've just made Nintendo's ROB the Robot: The Movie if they really just wanted to have bots on the screen. The script is enough to make any fan of the property from '84 sad.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST

    What's the point of bitching about a film...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...AFTER it's finished if you're not happy about the movie's direction? I think a lot of us, myself included, want to vent our anger and frustration hoping that those in charge of production will change things. Do you think Cullen would have been cast had we NOT suggested it over the Net? Of course not - to do so is niave.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:28 a.m. CST

    This Movie Doesn't Respect The Original Toy Commercial

    by LaserPants

    Oh. My. God. This toy commerical doesn't live up to the original toy commerical... how? Good Guy Robots battle Bad Guy Robots, with impressionable young minds (and disposable income) caught in between. The difference here is... what exactly? Its not as if the story was well written; it just looked cool and had a fun gimmick. Thats it. Everyone has officially lost their minds.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:30 a.m. CST

    other things Michael Bay is excited about:

    by Ricky Henderson

    1)minority stereotypes, 2)the american flag, 3)humvees, 4)coke, 5)fireballs 6)oversaturated movie shots... the list goes on. The more I think about it, the more Michael Bay reminds me of some lunatic, white supremacist meth-head.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:36 a.m. CST

    ok, ok

    by TrueRed

    The capital letters were a little childish on my part - apologies. I just got sick and tired of the relentless bitching about this movie. I'm certainly not a plant Lost Prophet, if this sucks the I'll be the first to say so but I want to see it first, and I'm a long way past the teenage years. I admit I haven't seen the script, is what you've read the final shooting script? Is there anywhere I can get a copy? I want Prime and co. to be recognisable at least in terms of character. Like every Transformers fan I want this to be great and live up to all expectations.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:41 a.m. CST

    "Bay's making progress into the fan's territory...

    by Giant Ape Balls

    ...He's hired Peter Cullen." And then he pissed it away with the walking abortion that is Megatron.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Megatron looks gay and Tyrese is not a good actor

    by tripp5

    im still lookin forward to this giant killer robot movie

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:47 a.m. CST

    True Red...

    by Ricky Henderson

    Didn't I email you the script yesterday? I clearly remember sending something to someone's hotmail account. Or was that some other Red?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:56 a.m. CST

    sorry about the plant thing

    by Lost Prophet

    Since someone anounced that Murphy was lacing negative TB's with plants anyone that rants in that way draws my supicions. It was worse yesterday, I called 1 in 3 posters plant. Other things Michael Bay is excited about: 1) coke 2) fireworks, 3) coke, 4) Cars, 5) coke 6) cars that go BANG BANG 7) shit scripts and on....

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST

    The Script...

    by TrueRed

    Ricky, that must be some other Red. Can you send me the script to please. No probs Lost Prophet, none of us want to see the Transformers we know and love totally bastardized.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST

    by tile_mcgillus

    Check this shit out boys and girls. I was one of the AICN douchebags. I asked him why create new decepticons and drastically alter them so where it is just a name and not the character? He responded "Paris Hilton or Lindsey Lohan?" and other inane questions.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Transformers has JUGG FUCKLED the shark

    by JimBelushi

    There is no way this movie can live up to expectations.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:15 a.m. CST

    props to Bay for addressing the fans...

    by talkbackgeek

    and props to Quint.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah a movie about giant robots fighting each other

    by One Voice

    Does that alone make it a TF movie? I have serious doubts, only because Michael Bay has never made a movie I've liked, not once. He just misses the mark for me everytime. I highly doubt this will be the exception.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Tyrese is a good Actor!

    by ganymede2010

    I liked him in Babby Boy and Annapollis. And he's a respected actor in the Black Community. So his presence will definately be an asset to this film in terms of ticket sales and diversity.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Sweet Jebus, ganymede is back

    by Ricky Henderson

    If that was snyone else, you'd assume that last statement of hers was sarcasm. But nooooo, shes being totally serious. She really belives Tyrese is a good actor. Wow.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by foree forehead

    that set report made my cube-bound life seem interesting.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    TrueRed: Sent

    by Ricky Henderson

    Signed, sealed, delivered...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Me too, Ricky H

    by dead youngling

    I'd like the script as well.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:05 a.m. CST

    OH god looks like AICN is hyping up Transformers

    by Thumper2k1

    That means we're going to get Harry's "This movie made me cream my pants" review next year. Ofcourse this movie will be total shit. The others will give it a good but not great review and Moriarty will slam the movie. But what the hell, you got to keep those wheels in the shill factory turning.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:07 a.m. CST

    nothing like READING about explosions

    by Fearsme

    great story. im off to read Bay's novelization of Pearl Harbor... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz wake me up when there's more images

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Dead youngling--email TrueRed

    by Ricky Henderson

    (his email address is in his previous posts). Sorry man, but I'd rather not get busted by Paramount. As much as I love the idea of incarceration....

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST

    the bottom line

    by BLWiseass

    I really don't care that Ironhide is a black pick up instead of a red conversion van, nor do i care that Ratchet is a Hummer instead of a legit emergency vehicle. The bottom line is Megatron looks like scrap metal. Prime's flame job make him look like he is the pride and joy of a metallica roadie. Those are the two biggest icons in the franchise and they screwed them up. I don't think Megatron should be a pistol or anything, but he just looks like crap.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:20 a.m. CST

    "Can we get some explosions?" - Michael Bay.

    by Truth0ne

    When this film bombs, he'll have all the explosions he needs. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Bay has no real idea...

    by Frankenblogger

    ...why he's done what he's done. The only reason Quint was invited back was for damage control. And judging from how out-of-control Don Murphy is acting, one can only assume he KNOWS this film is going in the shitter. Look, it's Transformers, it'll rake in some bucks. But I don't think it'll be a blockbuster. If it makes it's production budget back I'll be very surprized. There's nothing genuine in the crap script Rogers has written. It's very milquetoast. Jesus. If this guy can get a job writing movies than ANY asshole with a typewriter can. I mean, did Don Murphy see Catwoman and say "Fuck! John Rogers is an amazingly talented writer!"? That movie was so bad it should have ended the careers of EVERYONE involved with it, including the catering crew. I'm disappointed. I think this movie could have been so much more and so much better. Cullen for Prime? Great. But Cullen's voice isn't going to save the looming shit sandwich that's going to hit theatres in 2007. Everyone involved in this project should be ashamed of themselves, especially Hasbro, Spielberg, Bay, and Murphy. However, a big thank you to Sony for the re-release of the animated Transformers: The Movie. Now THAT's a fucking Transformers movie.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Quint I thought you had balls

    by jabberwookie

    QUNT GET SOME FUCKING BALLS! ... Basically you stood there and batted your eye lashes at mr. bay, and flirted with duhamel and bonaventura ... you should have went up to bay and said 'as god is my witness I will turn away as many people as i can from watching this abomination when it hits theatres mr. bay.. fuck you for fucking with my youth. Go make Pearl Habour 2' Josh Duhamel doesn't seem like he was that big of a fan of transformers when he was a kid. Just another actor putting on an act like he was into it. No doubt one of those kids that knew about transformers and would watch the show on freak occasions, visiting friends houses and briefly playing with the other kids toys but no real affinity for the transformers universe. What happened to actors really studying the source material, and emmersing themselves in the history of a movie project they're on? I bet he was into barbies and my little pony. Sounds like a tool. Saying that they 'modernized' the transformers? STFU... MODERNIZE??? WTF DOES THAT EVEN MEAN? Does it mean giving things a busy look via coco chanel, all flash and no substance? Why don't they just give megatron a prada bag, some tassels, and the clooney haircut while they're at it? So turning megatron into a walking abomination is modernizing it. I understand. Also notice when quint asks this fucktard what his favourite transformers is he spews the make believe ejaculation constructions from the film instead of harkening back to his own childhood for his favourite transformer. WE ARE SO SORRY TO 'BITCH' MICHEAL BAY... SO SORRY THAT YOU'VE BEEN GIVEN A PRIVILEDGE.. NOT A RIGHT.. A FUCKING PRIVILEDGE TO CREATE AN ADAPTION OF ONE OF THE MOST BELOVED UNIVERSES FOR MANY CHILDREN GROWING UP AND YOU'VE FUCKED WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S SACRED TO IT. SO SO SO VERY SORRY TO 'BITCH'.... RIBS???? RIBS???? WHATEVER THAT'S POTATOES COMPARED TO MEGATRON GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST


    by Frankenblogger

    I agree here. Whole-heartedly.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST

    It's seriously not even too late to take away the flame

    by jabberwookie

    They are being totally and obstentatiously stubborn about this. Hollywood is so out of touch with mainstream audiences it's not even funny. get a clue bay... you might save this film if you cgi over the flames and just make it red and blue. ... its not too late to save this part of the film. If you do that atleast, I think the fans can forgive you for megatron and starscream... but you have to atleast alter one of these things in order to pull us back into this movie: cgi over the flames, modify megatron slightly, or fix starscream the fuck up.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST

    AICN...the "C" stands for "Transformers"

    by readingwriter

    No way this thing gets any bad reviews when it comes out. Ever wonder why straight news reporting is going down the toilet? because the reporters and those they're covering are friends, attending the same parties, their kids going to the same schools. A famous journalist I can't place at the moment (not murrow...Stone?) said a reporter would be insane to be friendly with the people they're reporting on. Same goes for entertainment reporting, but the ETing of entertainment "journalism" seems pervasive.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:34 a.m. CST

    That's my point-

    by Lost Prophet

    It's sheer arrogance, and bloody depressing too. Everything in this is easily fixable, yet will they do it? will they fuck.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST

    "Can we get some explosions?"

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The image of Megan Fox running around clueless while explosions are going off KILLED ME!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "Devastator, the tank... "

    by INWOsuxRED


  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    "the REAL Transformers the Movie (dated 1986)."

    by Shermdawg

    Hate to tell ya, but that REAL Transformers movie sucked Gobot ass! Killing off every likeable character all for the sole purpose of selling toys of lame replacements? That stupid film did more to ruin the franchise than help it. And don't even get me started on that shitfest of a soundtrack. Theres NO WAY Bay's flick will be any worse.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Mountains Out of Molehills

    by Captain RawBeard

    It makes me laugh when people scream "Wah! they are raping my childhood Wah! Optimus has flames WAH BLOODY WAH!". I grew up in the 80's and loved the Transformers and I can NOT wait for this film. I agree that Megatron does look a bit of a mess and the fact he turns into an ALIEN JET is totally against the whole concept of Robots in Disguise. Apart from that I like the new look Optimus Prime as well as the other Transformers. I do have the Script on my computer. I havent read it yet but I will. But no matter how bad or good this film turns out to be, I certainly am not going to Cry about my childhood being raped. Grow Up!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Captain RawBeard

    by BLWiseass

    The flames on prime suck. End of story. Notice the lack of "wah" and references to raped childhoods in this comment. Just a simple matter of fact staement. I too grew up in the 80's and i have always felt that painting flames on automobiles died around the same time as hair metal bands. Its an ugly design. If you wish to continue to suck the dicks of Bay and Murphy, be my guest. Those of us with actual taste will call terrible charachter designs for what it actually is.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by finky089


  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST


    by TrueRed

    Thanks for that. Don't know if i dare read it now.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Bay is out of touch with what he's doing.

    by finky089

    And I don't think he cares. I sure hope it comes back to bite him in the ass next July when I WON'T be seeing this.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Um, Regina, alot of people care. And not even just here

    by finky089

    I know where you're coming from, if you're not interested in Transformers, it doesn't really matter at all. I couldn't give two shits about how badly someone fucked up a movie if I don't have any passion for the source material. But alot of people do.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    fuck off regina

    by Lost Prophet

    turn up after 600 posts and then complain. Lots of people care- just because they are not 17 year old bitter cynics doesn't devalue their opinion.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    And btw, Tommy never fucked a underage girl. :P

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST


    by rev_skarekroe

    A yellow Hummer/Ambulance? Huh?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg's right, btw

    by rev_skarekroe

    Sure, the old Transformers movie seemed cool when you were 12. Cussing! Death! ADD! High volume! Then you grow up and realize the whole thing was just a way to sell a more shoddily made, less interesting looking sci-fi themed series of new Transformers toys. And you couldn't understand anything Orson "Mumbly Joe" Wells said.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    lol, gapewoman, Bumblebee doesn't say that...

    by Shermdawg

    until the last 10-15 minutes of the film. It took you THAT LONG to realize there "isn't a lot of hope"?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Script focuses way too much on humans...

    by jabberwookie

    I know they dont want to alienate the audience with endless transformer dialogue, and are afraid that if they have the transformers talking too much it might seem cheesy but only have them exchanging meaningless dialogue near the end of the film seems pointless. BUT... this is not the problem I have with the film. I agree that having the transformers talking as much as they did in the cartoons would feel hammed in a live action film. BUT!!! I DONT AGREE WITH FLAMES, MEGATRON'S DESIGN, AND STARSCREAMS DESIGN... and the make believe transformers, and the fucked up vehicles (BAY LISTEN UP... NO ONE GIVES A SHIT ABOUT WHAT KIND OF TRUCK YOU MAKE OPTIMUS... no one gives a shit, as long as it's a transport truck... WHAT WE CARE ABOUT IS CHANGING THE WHOLE IDEA OF A VEHICLE LIKE MAKING MEGATRON AN ALIEN JET, AND BUMBLEBEE NOT A BUG... fuck the idiots who are bitching about the type of truck optimus is

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    err i meant volkswagon beetle

    by jabberwookie

    although a bug would have been better s till than a camaro.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Gapeworm, please send me the script!

    by One Voice I'll be eternally grateful! Thanks!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Gooooooo SAMMmm the Darth Vader moment of Transformers?

    by jabberwookie

    "Gooooooo SAMmmmmm" will probably feel like the Darth Vader moment in Episode 3 revenge of the sith where Vader yells "NOoooooooooooooooooooooooo" Wait for this moment to hear the audience groan in unison.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST


    by Truth0ne


  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Bay seems like a bastard to work under.

    by brokentusk

    "Fuck the steam - let's MOVE!" That is fucking hilarious. His explanation as to why Optimus Prime now has flames is totally acceptable (as I expected). People like to have something to bitch about and no amount of reasoning or well-intended rationalization will stop them from their bitching when they're rolling with it. I for one think that it won

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Thanks a million, Gapewoman.

    by One Voice

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    script link was bogus for me

    by A G

    Anyone willing to host it on a proper host and not one of these stupid rapidshares ?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Wow we are getting Cullen, only to have 3 lines in the

    by AGE IIX

    fucking movie! And I agree with everbody giving Harry and co shit about saying nothing about the movie! How can you say that you don't have any true love for Transfomers and thus don't have a reason to get worked up about it and cover it. Well why have a movie site than? 7 out of 10 movies are new ideas, and most of those get articles written about it even script reviews. The Transformers script is out and nobody is reviewing it!? WHY IS THAT? Why rip X3 to shreds (witch it deserved by the way) but say nothing about this ASTROTRAINWRECK in the making? I Love this site but find it's going down the tube. AICN is loosing it's Integrity, and its all to do with these SET REPORTS were harry and co become life long friends with the makers (come on KING KONG was a piece of fucking shit, but nobody will write that)

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST


    by Captain RawBeard

    Ok so you dont like flames and think everything is dated. well guess what, the versions of the transformers you know and love ARE dated. You said "I too grew up in the 80's" but I dont think you did grow up otherwise you wouldnt be making such childish remarks such as "If you wish to continue to suck the dicks of Bay and Murphy, be my guest" just because I was making a point, which obviously touched a nerve with you. I'm sorry you cant grow up and accept change.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    RIGHT ON Age IIX... this site has gone to shit

    by jabberwookie

    let us not forget godzilla, star wars, lady in the water, the facaulty, armageddon... and a shit load of others harry's been given reach arounds to post glorious reviews on. Moriarty is probably the most honest out of all of them, but I'm beginning to notice more and more that he's going to the dark side too.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Why are the 1st 30pgs of TF script like a Herbie movie?

    by One Voice

    It's so boring and shit. I can't believe some of the dialogue in this draft! Bumblebee acting like The Love Bug, and lame flashbacks like something out of Dodgeball as geeky kids remembers his failed attempts to join the football team! Why is this shit in this script!?! And this is what brought all this talent to the project. This needs a MAJOR rewrite. Truly horrendous so far.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST


    by theoneofblood

    Holy fuck! Is that really the script?! "More than meets the eye!" (wink wink). Dear Christ. Once again the U.S. military inexplicably has the ability to defeat insanely advanced alien technology simply by hitting them with "lotsa missiles". My god. I would have preferred Aliens vs Predator 2. At least that had a Predalien mutant. I feel like reading that shaved about twenty points off my IQ. This movie is FUCKED!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    my two cents

    by SuperJAMF

    I think they should add a gay Transformer, call it FagWagon. A pink VW with a little sugar in its tank. Box office gold, trust me.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Got as far as the Josh Duhamel interview and threw up

    by chiahead

    I'm sorry... but who the fuck asks "what year did they come out?" so they can figure out how old they were so they can answer the question "did you grow up with these things or not?" Not artfully dodged at all. This man was buying time so he could remember what they told him to say... seriously. Either you're a fan or not. Either you grew up with them or you didn't. Why lie about it? And so transparently? When asked which was his favorite transformer, "I haven't seen any of the decepticons yet, in robot form..." erm, douchebag? He meant growing up. wtf?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by One Voice

    Holy shit, I started reading with a mouthful of coffee. I now have it all over my screen. You should be writing these movies. Classic.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST

    I love how Brawl and Soundwave have robot sex

    by One Voice

    in the script and "fuse their bodies together". Quiet creepy in a way.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:42 p.m. CST

    This quote sums it up...

    by PwnedByStallone

    "The art is what blows me away the most on this. I've seen pictures of all of them, I've seen some CGI of what they're going to do. It's just so insane." Insane is fucking right. I wish Bay would run a t-bone steak on his balls and let his over-compensation "monster dogs" go to town.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Correction, Quint:

    by ArkadyRenko

    "They might not trust him or what he's doing, but nobody is out there hoping Bay messes this movie up." --- it's not a question of hoping, it's a question of knowing, for sur,e that he will fuck it up, like he always do. And i guess Quint didn't had the heart and guts to tell Bay that everybody is laughing at the movie's teaser trailers! quint's subservience to Michael Bay is disturbing!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    The script is not all bad though, it does have a T3

    by One Voice

    vibe to it. Shame it's let down by some atricious dialogue and attempts at humour.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST

    they could have a cadillac or a benz with gold rims...

    by jabberwookie

    and when it transforms there's chains around its neck. They could call it Master T, and have him rap and bust rhymes. Have an old beat up pickup truck transform into a hillbilly transformer with a metal pitchfork that shoots lasers and call him Mecha-Cletus. you could have the pope mobile transform into a holier than thou autobot with a phaser that shoots holy water at decepticons and name it Popatron. He could quote excerpts from the bible before he blasts away other transformers. You could have a honda, mitsubishi, Nissan or Toyota transformer named Yoshi and the hook is that it has trouble transforming, its gun is very small, and it crashes into a lot of things. Hhehehe

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:56 p.m. CST

    "futuristic looking car ... some kind of porsche"

    by googamooga

    That's the Porsche Cayenne, Porsche's "ME TOO!" entry into the already crowded field of POS SUVs.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Attention Michael Bay Haters!

    by googamooga

    You now have permission to suck the corn from my steaming shit.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST


    by ArkadyRenko

    ... i rather shit in your and your beloved talentless hack shit idol heads!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I'm trying googa....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I'm trying googamooga, but I can't reach it, must have been packed in there too tightly by getting a double insertion from Bay and Murphy last night. Try some prunes and/or Ex-Lax, loosen you right up.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    googamooga = michael bay

    by jabberwookie

    michael bay = Uwe Boll's daughter

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST



    Surely there's a better (and far less gay-redneck) way to "define Prime's mid-section when he's a robot."

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    ya its called straight lines not jagged flames

    by jabberwookie

    which can be easily done right now....... I can understand bay saying 20 years ago 'its too late for us to get rid of the flames, we've already started filming with them on optimus...' but you cant get away with that shit today. We have CGI, and high tech special effects... just use your computers to paint over the flames for fuck sakes, or make them less flamey.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by ATARI

    exactly what I thought when I read the 'chat'

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Jak0lantern01

    "I wish Bay would run a t-bone steak on his balls and let his over-compensation "monster dogs" go to town." About the funniest thing I've read all day.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Prime's Mid-Section

    by adonais

    "define Prime's mid-section when he's a robot." how funny then that adding the flames just makes all of his parts look even more busy and even more of a mess of a design.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Josh Duhamel and Bay should make babies together...

    by jabberwookie

    we can have a whole bunch of little Michael Duhamels running around cross eyed, drooling all over themselves, humping dogs, sniffing paint and setting things on fire. If I were bay having duhamel audition I would ask him what he knew about transformers and if he answered like that I would fucking yell at him to get the fuck out of my face before my brain explodes. How does someone who knows shit about transformers even get a chance to audition for a transformers film or doesn't even bother to do any reading up on what transformers is all about? atleast fucking elijah wood, and the rest of the Lord of the Rings cast did their fucking homework. FOR FUCK SAKES CHRISTOPHER LEE was practically an expert on LOTR....

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:08 p.m. CST


    by kingfisherx

    Okay never posted before, but I felt like putting my two cents in on this one. First off let me say I was a transformers nut as a child considering I was in early childhood when they were in their hayday. Okay now that I've established my stats as a fan let me ask you all a question. Did you like the film Serenity? Yes? Do you know why? Cause you were a fan of the original "Firefly" series. Cause Joss Whedon made that film for the fans and no one else. Know why it didn't do so hot at the box office? Simple fans (i.e. fanboys) do not make up the vast majority of America or the international box office. Whatever your thoughts are on Bay the script and design concepts there is one fact that matters above all else to those who are working on blockbusters, (and that is what this is, not a fan epic)

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I love the scene with Optimus Prime and the others

    by One Voice

    trying to get Sam to hurry and find the glasses with the lifeforce code embedded on them. That was really, really good. That's more like it. They should just lose the whole Lennox character. Pointless, and everytime we cut to his story it's so dull, with clich

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    kingfisherx I thinkyou underestimate the fanboy effect

    by jabberwookie

    on box office gains... Serenity didn't fail at the box office because it was made for the fans, it failed because it was a shitty movie. Same goes for Supes returns, it didn't fail because it was made for the donner fans it failed because it fucking sucked. Actually it is the reverse, it was because of the fanboys that Serenity even made any money at all... fuck I was a fan of firefly (and i did like serenity but only but i can see why it wasn't recieved very well) and dragged a friend to that film who wasn't a fan. IT IS THE FANBOYS that drag their friends to these kinds of films, spread its awesomeness by word of mouth, and praise the film to their co-workers, and friends. Fanboys give a lot of fucking weight to how well a film will do at the box office. Plus what hollywood doesn't realize is that they are so fucking easy to please... look at the shit we're asking for: flames, fix megatron a little, fix starscream a little,.......these are fucking potatoes, and hollywood doesn't see by fucking adhering to these small little requests that it could potentially make the different between a large box office sucess and absolute failure..... I know for myself X1 wasn't that good, but because i felt singer got the characters right (especially wolverine) i praised that shit to high heavens to most of my friends. Same goes for LOTR, because a large number of people read the books they dragged everyone else to the films...... FANBOYS PULL WEIGHT

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Serenity was not a shitty movie!!

    by One Voice

    That statement is utter bollocks!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Serenity was pretty bad, admit it!

    by datachasm

    its been fun digging up the old Transformers crapola, the original movie is a ton of fun, now im gonna see season 1. Megatron's design for the new movie sucks... thanks!

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I reserve judgement until we see the first full trailer

    by DOGSOUP

    THAT's where you will win or lose the fans despite people who can't get over the flames. Give us what we want and we'll give you what you want.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Captain RawBeard

    by BLWiseass

    You weren't making a point, you were simply making it clear that for whatever deluded reason, you consider yourself surprior to those who wish to express their opinions that the flames on Optimus look terrible, and that some of the other questionable design choices were horribly flawed. Apparently anybody who thinks those designs suck (thats the vast majority of us) needs to "grow up". You seem to be of the opinion that blind acceptance of crappy designs, approved by clueless studio execs, constitutes maturity. I stand by my original statment. Proceed with the cock sucking of Bay and Murphy.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Totally PSYCHED for this Movie! ROLL OUT!

    by Atomica

    It seems to me that Bay is capturing the Essence on the series, and hopefully of the Characters. Maybe i&#39;m more openminded to changes, afterall look at flicks like X-men and Spider-man. Neither were 100% true to the source material...In X-men&#39;s case they didn&#39;t even use the Same Costumes! Not even REMOTELY close...Yet, it&#39;s considered by many to be a great comic film, X2 especially. (Yeah I didn&#39;t realize Lady Deathstrike left the Reavers and was actually created by the Weapon X program...NOT!)<b> People get too bogged down in the details.<b> Let Bay do his freaking work. It&#39;s gonna rock.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST


    by messi

    How many times did i fuck you over in the Megatron thread? And you come back for more you paramount lackey.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Devin from CHUD says the animated movie was shit

    by messi

    someone tell that fat fuck to suck a big cock.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST

    kingfisher your theory doesn&#39;t work

    by messi

    because transformers is FAR more well known than firefly was. and there are alot of nostalgic fans who will see this movie, firefly is new compared to a cartoon series that many many people grew up with, and who know for years that a live action movie was impossible. and they will go see it because seeing a live action transformers movie is something out of a dream. too bad when they get there, they will go &#39;what the fuck?&#39;

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Admitting that certain aspects from the script...

    by nomihs

    ...make sense now. First off, the Megatron look that bay has going on is starting to make sense. He was captured in his alien form frozen in ice, not having a chance to copy a look of something from earth, therefore we get the "unoriginal" look. Leave it to the sequel to give you a more G1 friendly Megatron. Second, the dialogue from the "script" is a bit hokey, but I am hoping the final shooting script smoothes that out. The arrival of the autobots and the forms they take are actually interesting, and I hope they transfer well from the page to the screen. I admit, the "script" wasn&#39;t superfantastic, but it wasn&#39;t "heroes in a halfshell" horrible though either.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by adonais

    I believe kingfisherx was talking about Mr. Murphy when he said "grow up," not fanboys complaining about flames.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Comparing updated X-men costumes to Transformers

    by BLWiseass

    is not an apples to apples comparrison. The X-men charachters were still recognizable as being Wolverine, Cyclops, Jean Grey, Storm etc. You can&#39;t say the same for many of the transformers designs. Most people would forgive updating ironhide or jazz etc. But to overly tweak the iconic figures of the franchise is crazy. Optimus Prime is the respected leader of the autobots. There should NOT be any flames in his paint scheme. He is not a flashy all style no substance kind of charachter. If anybody had looked at a photo of the new megatron they would have had no clue what they were looking at unless it was labeled. Spider-man was still Spider-man even with organic web shooters. The X-men were still the X-men even with black leather costumes replacing the blue and yellow spandex, a move that made logical sense. There is no logic in the design changes on the transformer charachter re-designs.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST


    by BLWiseass

    I was referring to a post by Captain Rawbeard, well actually a couple of posts specifically at 09:55:14 AM CST (i responded at 10:04:26 AM CST) and he responded at 11:28:54 AM CST. Sorry for the confusion

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    kingfisherx :Re objectivity

    by BLWiseass

    I agree that one can not neccesarily obtain box office success simply by pandering to the fanboy audience. That being said, i for the life of me can not figure out how some of the changes made by Bay and Murphy will contribute to a larger box office take. Adding Flames to Prime irritated just about the entire G1 fanbase. Do you think the average teenager who did not grow up with transformers will be MORE likely to see the movie because the main charachter has flames painted on? Regarding megatron, i agree that changes had to be made, but i just think the final design is just plain ugly, the same for the design i saw of Starscream. I can&#39;t even begin to understand who thought it would be a good idea for bumblebee to "speak" using satellite radio. I was really excited for this movie, even with the assumption that it would most likely deviate somewhat from the source material. I was fine with that. But i am more and more disapointed with each leaked detail and production design. I don&#39;t think they should have to cater solely to the audience of "fans" but i also don&#39;t think changes should be made just for the sake of making changes. A balance could have been struck, and this could have been the biggest movie of the year if done correctly, but i just have lost the faith. I will probably end up seeing it in the theaters in spite of my furstration, but my enthusiasm has waned significantly and should it continue to do so, i&#39;ll wait for the DVD on netflix.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Let&#39;s transform this movie into a bomb.

    by Badger999

    There&#39;s a lot of us who don&#39;t like the direction this movie is being handled. Let&#39;s vote on it in the only way that matters... with our wallets. Get a bootleg copy and watch it first. If you know anyone interested in seeing the movie... give them a copy of the bootleg. Let&#39;s NOT spend any more of our money on movies that are NOT what we want to see. We shouldn&#39;t pay to see a TINO movie. And if I&#39;m wrong, and it ends up being cool (and I&#39;d like to believe that), *then* go spend money on it - see it in the theater and buy the DVD. Do not obey Don Murphy, Michael Bay, Dreamworks, or anyone else in Hollywood... we, as individuals, control the money, and that is the means by which we control Hollywood.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST


    by Flux_brown

    thanks quint, brilliant set report, you&#39;ve lifted my spirits a bit :)

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    My dream for a Transformers live action film....

    by jabberwookie

    is the moment we see Optimus Prime in his first reveal to the audience without any distractions (IE FLAMES) I want that that feeling you got at the end of The Iron Giant when you hear Hogarth&#39;s voice in the background &#39;you are who you choose to be&#39; and The Iron Giant says &#39;Superman&#39;... or the feeling you get just by seeing superman himself fly gloriously high above Metropolis in one fleeting shot without any distractions. The shivers we all get when we see our heroes put to life on the big screen. The fuzzy feeling in our heads, and a rush of awe that I cannot even begin to relate. I&#39;m just so afraid im going to be distracted by these god damn redneck flames to get that feeling. I have too many memories sitting in front of the tv to watch our hero optimus the way he was, and flying my action figure through the air with my hand or playing imaginary transformers with my friends. Its just like when we all used to tie a towel around our neck and fly around our home pretending we were superman. GOD DAMN FLAMES

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:10 p.m. CST


    by washisdead

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Of course TF is going to suck--Tyrese is in it!

    by Orbots Commander

    Has that dude ever been in a single good movie? Just one?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Read the script

    by adonais

    So I tracked down the script and gave it a good read. Wow! I don&#39;t know what I just read but it sure wasn&#39;t a Transformers movie. I officially don&#39;t care about this movie now. Whatever, they can screw it up however they please as far as I&#39;m concerned.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST


    by adonais

    And who the deuce is this Tyrese chap everyone&#39;s talking about?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST


    by Truth0ne

    Atomica posted: "It seems to me that Bay is capturing the Essence on the series, and hopefully of the Characters. Maybe i&#39;m more openminded to changes, afterall look at flicks like X-men and Spider-man. Neither were 100% true to the source material...In X-men&#39;s case they didn&#39;t even use the Same Costumes! Not even REMOTELY close...Yet, it&#39;s considered by many to be a great comic film, X2 especially." <<< That isn&#39;t even close to what&#39;s happening here, though. True, your examples weren&#39;t 100% faithful, but they were at least 90% faithful. This film Bay is making is about 15% faithful. He got some names right. He got the concept of transforming robots from another planet down. He got the factions right. THAT&#39;S ABOUT IT.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST

    I just have one question: Han/Chewbacca Transformers?!?

    by chrth

    How did I miss this? Transformers that are run by little figures of Han and Chewy that look like giant robotic Han and Chewy that transform and join to become the Millenium Falcon?!? How long has this been out?!?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:53 p.m. CST

    look him up in a music database

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    red beret

    by Flux_brown

    can anybody explain why tyrese is wearing a red beret? i&#39;m not really familiar with army insignias etc, but as far as i recall they don&#39;t have red in the us army, or maybe i&#39;m just plain wrong. although i do know that they use red berets in the british army...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST

    tyrese pt 2

    by Flux_brown

    they should&#39;ve just used mos def instead...and did anybody notice that tad hamilton is totally bullshitting...."i like bumblebee coz he&#39;s a camaro, i drive a camaro on las vegas"...its just like saying "i like dubya coz he&#39;s from texas, i&#39;m from texas too"...waittaminute...everybody DOES say that...gotta find a better analogy then :)

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m still laughing

    by decypher44

    from the description of Megan Fox "acting". That&#39;s funny shit, right there. Well, funny and sad.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST

    He&#39;s supposed to be part of a

    by Phategod1

    secret Government agency to handle transformers

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:17 p.m. CST

    The movie&#39;s in the toilet....

    by alienindisguise

    so it is pretty pointless to keep bitching about it. Spielberg and Bay came off like some genuine Transformers fans at the start of all this but they have done none of the characters justice and this flick will be another 2 1/2 hour headache like every other Michael Bay turd.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:20 p.m. CST

    So is someone

    by decypher44

    going to start a TF2007 Support Group on myspace?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I can&#39;t help it

    by adonais

    WTF?? Megatron and Optimus are long lost brothers? Let me quite a Mr. Rob Courdry from the Daily Show. "I mean, Cooooommme ON!" And why do none of the transformers have a chance in the movie to develop, I don&#39;t know... CHARACTER? And they just scan whatever they want, and transform? So they&#39;re basically T-100, if we&#39;re suppsoed to believe they are that adaptable and advanced, why can&#39;t we believe they could change size? I could go on and on but I really don&#39;t care anymore... Michael Bay should never be allowed to make another movie as long as he lives, though I&#39;ve been saying that since ID4.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the typos

    by adonais

    WTF?? Megatron and Optimus are long lost brothers? Let me quote a Mr. Rob Courdry from the Daily Show. "I mean, Cooooommme ON!" And why do none of the transformers have a chance in the movie to develop, I don&#39;t know... CHARACTER? And they just scan whatever they want, and transform into it? So they&#39;re basically T-1000, if we&#39;re suppsoed to believe they are that adaptable and advanced, why can&#39;t we believe they could change size? I could go on and on but I really don&#39;t care anymore... Michael Bay should never be allowed to make another movie as long as he lives, though I&#39;ve been saying that since ID4.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST

    A Transformers live action movie cannot be made.

    by fortheloveofgod

    It will just never work. Even the best director in the world could not make it work. Robots transforming into something else is only a small part of the Transformers.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    X-men were still X-men even with black leather costumes

    by Immortal_Fish

    No, they were NOT. They were Singer-Men. Everything about all but 1.5 characters was re-engineered from the ground up. It was as faithful to the source material as was the Hulk TV series. Does this topic truly need another go-round?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    How many times did you fuck me, messi?

    by googamooga

    Hmm, I don&#39;t know, let me count the condoms... Though does it really count as fucking if you were the fuck-ee? Seriously man, leave me the hell alone. You don&#39;t like the movie you haven&#39;t even seen yet (which is fucking STUPID in my opionion), whatever. I&#39;m looking forward to it, so kiss my pasty, white ass.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    all AICN commandoes go RAW

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry, fortheloveofgod, but its already BEING made

    by googamooga

    Granted, it may not be the wet dream, blocky, crappy looking robots the G1 nerds were hoping for, but its being made nonetheless.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    For the love of pete

    by Phategod1

    We dont care about the designs as much as the characters please get it right we&#39;ve read the F&#39;n script and they got the script all wrong. Jazz is a piece of shit car with no lines. In the cartoon Jazz was flashy love earth culture and could Break dance with the best of them, not to mention he had tons of character, and was a porche, Iron does not value human life and has about 2 lines, this movie is nothing more than Giant fucking robots blowing shit up Bay style I as a TF fan want alot more from a TF movie Like at least getting the Characters right and paying a little respect to the franchise you have a nerve to do a movie about.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    So you want a breakdancing, cultured, robot?

    by googamooga

    And you&#39;re complaining about what BAY is doing? Sigh...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    So you want a breakdancing, cultured, robot?

    by googamooga

    And you&#39;re complaining about what BAY is doing? Sigh...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:43 p.m. CST

    you dont get it

    by Phategod1

    Each of the autobots announced had a personalty that was evident instead of seeing those personalities we get those giant robots just beating the hell out of one another as pretentious as superman was it was more then just him beating up Doomsday for 2 1/2 hours which is more then i can say about TF if that all you want be gues But I want to entertained By TF that match the TF i grew up with I want to see Jazz love earth culture I want to see cranky Ironhide I want to see Starscream Plot to overthough megatron I want to see prime be valiant and paternal get these things right and i dont care if they look like stick figures that all turn into Ford escorts. The problem is all the autobots turn into GM cars and whole thing reads like Hearbie, meets Christine, Meets ID4, meets, E.T. yes i am complaining about what the Fuck Bay is doing.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST

    But you don&#39;t understand, Phategod1...

    by googamooga

    This movie isn&#39;t being made for you, the FAN, its being made for the teeming masses who, at best, have a fleeting knowledge of the Transformers. They want human characters, they want a human story, they want big ass robots fighting each other and shit blowing up. Looks to me like they&#39;re getting what they want, and I&#39;m STILL interested.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Then Who the Fuck was Spiderman made for

    by Phategod1

    did the Teaming masses give a fuck about the character of Spiderman why was his Chracter and Overall appeareance spot on but TF&#39;s cnat get the the same RESPECT. how come Spiderman gets a movie for its fans and the Teeming masses but TF&#39;s cant get the same.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Sorry for the Typos im a little drunk

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE is familiar with Spiderman

    by googamooga

    So it was less of a risk to stay true to the source material. What you have in this case is that a lot of the public may be familiar with the name, and that they can change into stuff, but not much beyond that. At the end of the day, its all about money, the studio knows that making a 100% authentic to the G1 material story would not bring in the summer blockbuster money.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST

    If Bay and Murphy made...

    by Optimus Murphy

    ...a Metal Gear movie, Snake would have frosted tips instead of a lethal-weapon Gibsonian Mullet.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    in response to googamooga&#39;s argument

    by adonais

    I think the point of a lot of us who want the "film"-makers to stick to the characterizations we know are trying to make is that for whatever commercial, capitalistic reasons the Transformers were originally developed, they ended up as strong characters who have stood the test of time. True, you spit out any old movie that has explosions and special effects and the public will go see it and give it a strong opening weekend. But the big-budget event movies that become classics and stand the test of time (LoTR, Spider-Man 2, X-Men 2) stay true to the characters that are proven, they don&#39;t reinvent the wheel just because it&#39;s "good enough to entertain," as you seem to be implying. You&#39;re welcome to be excited by and take whatever they give you in this movie, but why shouldn&#39;t people want it to be as good as it&#39;s potential warrants?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST


    by nonsensical

    So far a few of you have responded. Those of you who have skills and experience modeling, rigging, and animating in Maya. Those of you who have skills in film making and storytelling. Those of you who are FANS of this property. We have until June of 2007. We can make a better film, even if it&#39;s a short, than this group of incompetant liars. So, I say we do. I swore I would never do this, but e-mail me., I have produced two half hour live action films and two fifteen minute documentaries. I have also assisted on crew for many of these films. I have directed three animated short and I am currently co-directing a half hour short, and a two minute short. I have experience in many programs including Maya, and Final Cut. I can work cross platform and I enjoy what I do. If you want a REAL transformers film contact me and we will get started. Even if this is considered a "Fan film" it&#39;s still going to be better than what we will get in July 2007 from this group of assclowns. So again if you are interested in working on models, rigging, texturing, or animation, then contact me. I am at Frankly, I&#39;m tired of seeing the poor treatment we are getting and I know we can do better.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:59 p.m. CST

    till all are one

    by Phategod1

    Hey NON as one of those who responded just tell me to e-mail you but where do you hail from Im in a philadelphia sub-burb and I will do anything I can to help whether it&#39;s camera work And I&#39;ve alway wanted to act incase you wanted some Live action work just let me know.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Hey, nonsensical...

    by googamooga

    When your movie doesn&#39;t match my wet dream memories from 1982, will I be allowed to bitch about it here?

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    They&#39;re NOT going to listen to the fanboys

    by chrth

    They listened to the fanboys about SOAP, and it bombed miserably. If they had kept it PG-13 it would&#39;ve made more--probably a lot more--money. They listened to the fanboys and made Serenity, and it also bombed. Sure, these movies will break even on DVD, but production companies aren&#39;t looking just to break even. Which property this summer most pissed off the fanboys? X3. And they&#39;re rolling in it. WE DON&#39;T MATTER.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    WOW! TWO fifteen-minute documentaries?

    by Zarles

    You did say two, right? And each of them runs a FULL fifteen minutes? Gosh.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    googamooga why?

    by darthwalters

    Why wouldn&#39;t material from the G1 universe do well at the box office? What is superior about the character&#39;s and storyline from this script, as compared to the character&#39;s a storyline from the original Transformers? What about the designs of the new Transformer movie will draw more people in to the theatre than sticking a tad more closely to their original art? If the robots are given more of their orginal personality, and the struggle revolves around them, why would that hurt box office numbers? Why do you think people want a human drama more than one concerning evolved robots? I just want to know what studies you are referring to that gives merit to any of your statements.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 9:41 p.m. CST

    SOAP wasn&#39;t really fanboy source material

    by jabberwookie

    it was more like the raving lunatics on the internet who saw the early teaser trailer and thought hey lets fuck around with sam&#39;s pulp fiction character and pretend the SOAP character says a lot of f bombs..... not really comparable. As for X3, god knows how that fuckin made money. I think it had to do with the fact it was one of hte first summer flicks, and people were itching to hit the theatres. If Supes had come out before X3, I bet the box office gains would have been reversed.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST


    by googamooga

    I&#39;m not referring to any studies, just common sense. A movie marketed as an action film, that just HAPPENS to contain transforming robots will do better than a movie marketed as a "robot" film, because the vast majority of unfamiliar movie goers will look at that and think, "Forget it, its just some nerd movie." Serenity is a perfect example. Personally, I loved that movie, but then I also loved the series. Problem was, it was a "nerdy" sci-fi movie whose back story not a lot of people were familiar with. How many people do you know who are VERY familiar with the Transformers storyline? And how many of those people are male, and in their late 20&#39;s, early 30&#39;s? Exactly. IMO, I&#39;m just happy to get a transformers movie, PERIOD, and if the action and effects are killer, then I can forgive a somewhat weak story. Bottom line, as I&#39;ve said before, is NO ONE knows how this movie will be, NO ONE has seen any footage. I choose to be optimistic about that, but I see I am in the minority.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST

    jabberwookie: it&#39;s the same subculture

    by chrth

    Do you think the hollywood execs can distinguish between the SOAP crowd and the Transformers crowd? I sure don&#39;t. What&#39;s worse is that the leadup to SOAP included all these &#39;the studio made changes based on fan input&#39; articles ... and TPTB read those articles, and saw the results.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Cream Pie

    by Lord Soth

    I think they can make a shitload of money if Megatron transforms into a nice ribbed dildo and they have a little "vino bianco" scene with that hot Megan Fox, &#39;cause judging from quint&#39;s description of her her acting, that&#39;s all the action she&#39;s good always sells...

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 11:45 p.m. CST

    They&#39;re following the same

    by superninja

    script as that leaked on the internet. Maybe they&#39;ve changed the dialogue, but the plot is still the same. It&#39;s also clear that none of the principals or the director know anything about Transformers. I&#39;ve got nothing against the actors, btw.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 12:27 a.m. CST


    by messi

    man you are stupid. you say a film marketed as a robot movie as opposed to a human centric movie with transformers will make more money. well if that were true it would be called &#39;HUMANS WITH TRANSFORMERS&#39; not &#39;TRANSFORMERS&#39;. The title along says it is supposedly about Transformers. The majority of the people haven&#39;t read the script, so how could they possibly know that it is more human centric or not. Owned again.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST


    by messi

    you can&#39;t distinguish between crowds? SOAP was a fad and an internet joke. Transformers has a wide fanbase that goes over 2 decades. there is a difference. if the listening to the fanboys thing didn&#39;t work, then batman begins also wouldn&#39;t be a success.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST

    I think people will comment (unless massive

    by superninja

    changes have been made to the script) along the lines of the "where are the robots?" variety. They&#39;re only really focused on in the last 2/3rds of the film, and their backstory and characterization are nonexistent. There is no reason to care about the robots in this movie or the stakes involving the Energon cube whatsoever.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Prime&#39;s design still SUCKS...that hasnt changed....

    by GibsonUSA

    It&#39;s funny how, when Prime&#39;s design was first released, everyone hated it. But since the release of the horrific Megatron design, people have been trying to warm up to Prime, simply cause he looks so much better by comparison. But face it, they both SUCK. Megatron simply sucks so bad he makes Prime look somewhat acceptable.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:42 a.m. CST


    by Frankenblogger

    (From the TF script) RATCHET SUBTITLE: Prime...if we face Megatron, can you bring yourself to destroy your own brother?---I take it back, this is most awful script ever written. Someone please give John Rogers a prize! It&#39;s WORSE than Catwoman.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    And before I forget:

    by Frankenblogger

    Where the fuck is any mention of the Ark in this movie? Boo/hiss!

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Nothing is worse than Catwoman. Nothing.

    by superninja

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 2 a.m. CST

    YOU FORGOT Frakenblogger

    by Phategod1

    my favorite part " Brothers; Twin sons united under the dynasty of the primes"

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m Seeing Transformers Just To Spite You Guys

    by DrTobiasFunke

    I am a Transformers fan and I have been since I was 6 years old. There are a lot of things that I would&#39;ve done differently in this movie, but the simple fact that we&#39;re even getting a movie at all is enough for me. I said it before and I&#39;ll say it again, I saw Masters of the Universe and that&#39;s by FAR the worse movie based on a cartoon ever. Just like someone mentioned above, the fanboys on this and many other boards bitched and bitched about X3 and you know what? It&#39;s grossed over $440 million and I was glad to contribute to it because of people like Harry and other AICNers that worship Singer. Transformers won&#39;t be any different from X3 in that respect. I was going to see the movie anyway because I was a fan, but now I&#39;ll prolly see it 4 or 5 times just to spite some of you bitter old men. Flame on, but I&#39;m done with this thread anyway.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Some people like

    by Phategod1

    eating shit flavored icecream some people like eating Icecream flavored shit, no matter how many times you tell them there eating shit.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 5:24 a.m. CST

    You FISH HEADS!! It&#39;s about giant robots...

    by German_Geekster

    ... come on guys, nobody is going to see this because he is expecting a good story or character developpment. They go there to see some insane action. Fuck the flames, I think Optimus looks badass. It went a little into a "pimp my Robot" direction with the Autobots and they really messed up the Decepticon designs. Making them look way too organic instead of robotic, to make them look more evil. That&#39;s retarded, but if the movie bombs, it won&#39;t be because of the fucking Megatron design, or because they didn&#39;t got the robots personalities right, it&#39;ll be, that the majority of people isn&#39;t interested in a live action movie, with giant robots transforming into shit. Get it! No one gives a fish fart! Transformers is and always was nothing but a toy commercial, and you little kidies just don&#39;t grow up!

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 5:59 a.m. CST

    Han/Chewbacca Transformers!!! It&#39;s real!!

    by German_Geekster

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 6:13 a.m. CST

    No windmills!

    by Bubba Gillman

    I really hope there are no windmills in this movie. Enough with those windmills, Bay.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 6:15 a.m. CST

    A certain Clerk said it best...

    by Cosmik

    Randal Graves: The Transformers are a curse from the beast we call The Desolate One.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    In the script the final fight on the streets is...

    by One Voice

    effin brilliant!! Despite the awful jokes in the script, the bad dialogue and pointless set of characters, the final battle works. Loved that, and the scene at Sam&#39;s house when they are looking for the (stupid) mcguffin of the glasses.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by Elmore Rigby the new &#39;Too Soon&#39;.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    BL Wiseass Did you READ X-men??!

    by Atomica

    To say that the Characters were recognizable is like saying that Orko was recognizable in the Masters of the UNiverse Movie...Oh wait, HE WASN&#39;T THERE. Just like many of the essential core X-Men weren&#39;t in the 1st Flick! Unrecognizable? In the Comics, they HAD costumes. Badass ones at that. And Singer made a creative decision to not include them to make the tale more set in Reality...THE SAME THING BAY HAS DONE with TRANSFORMERS!!! Wolverine is a badass in a Yellow and Black (Sometimes brown) like Devil Suit! Cyclops has a futuristic Boyscout uniform. Iceman goes...ICE. WE won&#39;t even get into the fact that as an origin story for how Wolvy joined the X-men, that the continuity was bent over and assraped like it didn&#39;t matter! Where was Thunderbird? NIghtcrawler? Anything that resembled Giant Sized X-men number 1? The Parallels regarding the changes between the Franchises is STARTLINGLY Prevalent. Why was X-men accepted? The Spirit of the Characters was left intact. People are ONLY giving this Film a Hard time for ONe Reason....Michael Bay. GIVE THE GUY A FUCKING BREAK, STOP BREAKING HIS FUCKING BALLS AND LET HIM DO HIS WORK. The Spirit of the Characters should be left intact...and With Cullen ALONE, he&#39;s secured that with Prime.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Re: YOU FORGOT Frakenblogger

    by Frankenblogger

    Yes. That was great, too. Thanks for the reminder, Phategod1.---Fuck. Couldn&#39;t they (Bay, Rogers, Spielberg, Murphy) have simply watched the first 10 Eps of Transformers Season 1, TF: The Movie, and Season 2 of Beast Wars and then sat down to write a good origin story? Key points? Two warring factions on Cybertron. Energy crisis. Group of heroic Autobots go to look for resources. Group of Decepticons follow. Autobots find planet rich in natural resources. Decepticons attack and board Autobot ship. Fight. Both ships (The Ark and the Nemesis) crash on prehistoric Earth. Autobots and Decepticons lay in stasis lock for 4 million years until an earthquake/erosion triggers the Ark&#39;s computer (Teletran 1), which sends out a probe to scan the environment. Scans Earth vehicles. First bot to be regenerated is a Decepticon. Etc etc etc. Instead of the Energon Cube (WTF?), perhaps the Matrix of Leadership could have been "lost". Or something more sinister? I always liked the concept of Protoform X from Beast Wars. Perhaps X could be a rather gnarly Decepticon. Fuck. Couldn&#39;t they have used Vector Sigma or even the KEY to Vector Sigma instead of the (GAY) Energon Cube? If it were me producing this I would have enlisted Simon Furman to pen the script. Get a clue, Bay and Co!

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    And I think I just realized what&#39;s bothering me:

    by Frankenblogger

    It&#39;s not just that Prime doesn&#39;t quite feel like Prime or that Megatron looks like shit. It&#39;s not just the fact that everyone&#39;s trying to find the (shudder) Mythical Energon Cube. It&#39;s not just that the script stinks and complete re-writes the Transformers universe. It&#39;s ALL of it. It&#39;s not like they&#39;re giving us this kick-ass story/script with so-so designs. Or kick-ass, accurate designs with a so-so script. They&#39;re giving us so-so EVERYTHING. Everything in this movie is a serious departure from what Transformers IS. It&#39;s not waht fans wanted (even the ones who are saying they&#39;re OK with the changes so far). Given a choice between Bay&#39;s Prime and the original Prime, what do you think a fan would choose? Riiiiiight. I thought so.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Ah, and once again, the sad little ones without clever cognition in their wee lil heads quote Kevin Smith dialogue as if it&#39;s new and relevant.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    The Scene at Sam&#39;s House

    by Playhouse

    That scene is actually one of the biggest problems, in my opinion. Never mind the lame set-up and the oh-so-cliche parents looking the other way because their boy finally has a girl in his room. The simple fact that a bunch of robots who can transform to disguise themselves "hide" merely by hugging the side of the house clearly shows how misunderstood the property is in the script.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay is jugg fuckling my childhood!!

    by Little Beavis

    just sayin...tee hee

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by Playhouse

    Trust me when I tell you the spirit of the characters has not been kept intact. There is nothing resembling the characters in this film. And I&#39;m not talking about the designs.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Why can&#39;t they make it at least SOMEWHAT like G1?

    by GibsonUSA

    Didn&#39;t they say at one point G1 was going to be the basis for this? Why are they screwing it up on so many levels? Bumblebee as a Camaro, Prime with flames, Megatron with vagina mouth, Starscream the monkeychicken, Jazz smaller than Bumblebee, Megatron and Optimus are related, cliche human love story.....THATS TOO MUCH FOOLISHNESS! How can people defend all that shit? I&#39;m sure all of us could handle one or two of the above things, but ALL AT THE SAME TIME? Again, it&#39;s simply too much to withstand. Why couldn&#39;t they have made it SOMEWHAT like G1...which started it all? Make Bumblebee the little guy, Prime as a red truck, Megs and Starscream fighting for power, etc..why couldnt they have been SOMEWHAT respectful of a beloved franchise?

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    By the way,why are people trashing Singer?

    by GibsonUSA

    Wasn&#39;t X2 > X3? When did human beings start being Brett Ratner fans? (Probably the same human beings supporting Michael Bay Transformers)

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ve just read the script

    by aphextwin

    Boyz and girlz, don&#39;t bother no more about those idiotic designs. With a story THIS weak, dialogue so blatant, appalling and childish, this project was doomed already from the start. GGOOO SSAAMMM! (shivers)

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    They changed Prime to a longnose tuck to give him

    by AGE IIX

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    OOPS... more MASS.

    by AGE IIX

    But in robot form he looks kind of thin, the gun looks to big for him. Transformers should have been a movie thru their eyes! What&#39;s all this shit about spikes grandfathers glasses?

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Aphextwin is right! Normally, I would not encourage

    by superninja

    spoiling a movie for yourself by reading the script. But with the bad early buzz and the designs, I have to say, in this case, read the script for free and save yourself $10. What a bargain.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Robotic Bob Deniro?

    by tompbeast

    What the fuck!?

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Robotic Bob Deniro?

    by tompbeast

    What the fuck!?

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST

    What&#39;s a good way to re-kickoff this talkback?

    by Shermdawg

    Oh yeah, G.I.JOE WAS BETTER!!! :P

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    so i guess this is working now

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Gi joe sucked

    by Phategod1

    three years of war and not one single fatality funny how with ll the shooting no one could hit crap till they came out with the B.A.T.S. then all the joes aimed drasticly imroved what a load of bull too many characters to very few had any depth but Destro was the man.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:28 p.m. CST

    The script is basically Herbie Fully Retarded

    by Blarneyman

    Apart from a great final battle, and one other good scene, the rest is truly awful. Terrible attempts at comedy, and trite predicable dialogue and action. It&#39;s shameful.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Of course no one was killed on G.I.Joe.

    by Shermdawg

    It was a f&#39;n kid&#39;s show. There&#39;s a big difference in killing off a robot and killing off a human being. Parent&#39;s groups would go nuts. Sure they did just that when the animated flick hit and Optimus and others were axed. But since that was a tad more mainstream than the series, and since having a theater full of kids crying in unison, is it really no wonder? G.I.Joe had better designs, wasn&#39;t as high on the cheese factor as Transformers (although it was up there), and had waaay cooler enemies. Cobra Commander? Destro? The Baroness? Tomax and Xamot? Zar(Ozzy)tan? Stormshadow? And another thing that property had going for it, since the toys were drastically cheaper than the Transformers, the poor kids could get in on the action without getting punished with either some cheap knockoffs such as GOBOTS, or those teeny tiny Tranny&#39;s that were about as detailed as Happy Meal toy. Well, one of the old Happy HMeal toys. The news ones are kinda nifty.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 12:54 p.m. CST

    They took away our beloved Megatron TB?

    by Jak0lantern01

    Oh no, AICN really IS bought, isn&#39;t it. The Revenge Of Don Murphy!

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s still there. There just wasn&#39;t many posts...

    by Shermdawg

    yesterday, before things went kaput.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST


    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...sounds pretty vacuous to me.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Transfuckers : Homos In Disguise

    by The Ender

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 2:05 p.m. CST

    they got rid of the megatron tb? THANK #@$%ING GOD

    by jabberwookie

    That was such a dumb idea to keep posting on that. It just became ranting on that tb. Talkbacks are for the specific thread, and article posted, not some lame masterbatory attempt at trying to make the world&#39;s longest talkback.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Bay&#39;s low angle circling shot of a character getting up

    by GibsonUSA

    I wonder who&#39;s going to get up off the ground and stand up in slow motion as the camera circles around him....Bay&#39;s signature shot? All the characters in the script are so lame that right now they&#39;d all look stupid as shit. Also, if there&#39;s a sequel to this mess, they should kill off Sam in the first 5 minutes, before the main title even they do in horror movies sometimes to the star of the previous flick.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST

    I was banned...

    by Frankenblogger

    ...from Michael Bay&#39;s forums last night. I&#39;m crying inside. I can&#39;t understand why, though. I only called Michael Bay a hack and his website moderator Nelson a "yes-man". I may have also said something about the script being awful and that anyone that wanted a copy could email me for it. You know, with the way movies have been performing in the last couple of years, I bet they&#39;re really afraid this flick is going to tank. Now that the fanbase is crying out I bet they&#39;re really feeling it.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Although I do wish to pose a question now:

    by Frankenblogger

    What&#39;s a "Transformer"?

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Read the script--- Starscream?--I don&#39;t think so.

    by NopeNotCool

    Read the script-- without spoiling it for anyone (Bay&#39;s already done that I think) it stinks pretty bad with every tired Hollywood cliche--- and with Quint&#39;s report I don&#39;t feel good about Bay&#39;s "directing" the actors... Starscream and Megatron exchange--- one line? There&#39;s the character development we were promised. I grew up(and yes-- I am grown up now with disposable income--- of which Don Murphy won&#39;t see a single penny) with the comics and eventually the cartoon (well up to about &#39;86-&#39;87). This is not the Transformers of G1 that I know... And unfortunately with Hollywood&#39;s meddling it looks like we&#39;ll never see those ones. Call it Bay&#39;s Cocaine-Fueled Big Fuckin&#39; Bots... It sure as hell shouldn&#39;t be called Transformers.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Dreamwave comic line from &#39;02...

    by NopeNotCool

    Now there&#39;s an idea for a script. Faithful to the 80&#39;s G1 with a modern update. Check it out.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Hey Quint... According to Don Murphy&#39;s website...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    You weren&#39;t invited to the set. He makes it sound like Bay didn&#39;t want you there either. Are they afraid people will find out just how horribly STUPID this movie really is? WTF is with Megatron and Starscream? I&#39;m by no means a fanboy, but I have seen a few of the cartoons since the first ones in the &#39;80s. Prime, Megatron, and Starscream have ALWAYS has common elements that carry on from one season to the next. This movie lacks that. I seriously hope this movie does horribly, so that movie studios will learn to RESPECT the sources when they adapt something. They didn&#39;t learn with Mario Bros. They didn&#39;t learn with Street Fighter. They didn&#39;t learn with Masters of the Universe. Just another title for the 4 for $20 bin at Blockbuster.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    BL Wiseass

    by Captain RawBeard

    I said Grow Up because YOU resorted to profanity and insults over the fact I had a different opinion.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Yeah, they didn&#39;t want Quint there

    by Jak0lantern01

    That&#39;s why this site is the only one with a real set scoop and access to all the cast and crew. Do Murphy&#39;s a tool.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Link to the murphy comments about the set visit?

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Harry... Quint... get Don Murphy on the phone pronto...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    he has ALOT of explaining to do... his site is FULL of insults to fans of Transformers, as well as insults to you guys here, even when you give the Transformers movie far more credit than most of us do. He attacks people in their personal blogs, and goes on rants that are an insult to professional men and women everywhere. See if you can get a real answer from him that is NOT a 4 letter word. AICN should start a campaign to ruin this film like they did Batman and Robin... or more importantly, Don Murphy&#39;s career. Wouldn&#39;t it be great if he was going from studio to studio, begging for a job, but no one would touch him because of his inexcusible behavior during the making of transformers? Ohhhh... to see him making pancakes at IHOP... dare to dream.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Nah, I don&#39;t ever want to see Don Murphy

    by Jak0lantern01

    flipping pancakes at IHOP. IHOP makes some good pancakes, and he&#39;d screw those up, too. And then he&#39;d use profanity when you returned your food for being less than satisfactory.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Don&#39;s assault on AICN...

    by W3bzpinn3r

    he seems to have taken down his comment... He deletes threads that may get him in legal problems. Basically, he was bitching about sites and included AICN in the lump of sites. Another poster comments on the fact Quint was invited on the set several times. Don replies that no one, not him, not Bay, invited Quint on the set. All he ever does is insult people who question why Starscream looks like ass and Megatron looks like a pile of steel turds.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Maybe Quint has access to Spielberg

    by Jak0lantern01

    H has met him, if I am correct, and he IS Quint. Anyway, if Murphy were making pancakes, you&#39;d get waffles. Then he&#39;d say that the old way of making pancakes doesn&#39;t work for the modern breakfast eater, and that for now on waffles are going to be pancakes. But you didn&#39;t order waffles, you still want pancakes. Then Murphy tells you to stop whining, just be happy you&#39;re getting breakfast at all. Also, blueberries are now known as raspberries. Murphy, you get the analogy yet? I know you can read.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Start keeping records on Murphy

    by Chief Joseph

    Those of you that are already reading his boards, start keeping records of his insults and tirades. Save them as .hmtl files. Keep records of this nonsense and start forwarding them to Paramount and Hasbro. Especially if he insults you personally. Tell them how you feel about it. If you&#39;re not going to see the movie because of him, be sure and say that. I&#39;ll be doing a little of that myself, but I can only read so much of Murphy&#39;s drivel before I get a headache.

  • Sept. 3, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST

    The Megatron TB still exist

    by Phategod1

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 1:59 a.m. CST



    Hmmm... I wonder how much worse the buzz for this movie can get? It&#39;s a loooooong time until next summer. ;-)

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 5:57 a.m. CST

    The Target Audience

    by MarkoOhNo

    From this article, I can tell who they&#39;re aiming for. With better directorial vision, made into something more epic, enjoyable, and true to the license, Transformers could actually win Oscars as surely as LOTR did. But they don&#39;t seem to consider that a possibility. Bay&#39;s aiming for Kids&#39; Choice Awards on Nickelodeon & Disney Channel. And you know, he just might get that. Tween girls will just eat this film up (...if any go.) They should&#39;ve cast Paris Hilton or Hillary Duff or Lindsay Lohan in there somewhere, to push it over the top. lol =P

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Thats an awfly small target they have.

    by Peanutchan

    Some how at this point I think Disney would of made a better choice for this movie. Since they seem to like having non humans as the stars. Sure no one could say "SHIT WE&#39;RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" Did anyone even manage that in the origal Movie? But hey, Disneys getting pretty good at spilling blood and blowing stuff up too. I think their trying to expand their audience. After all you have dead people, cannibles, prostitutes, killings, and fish men in PotC.

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    couldn&#39;t agree more

    by Lost Prophet

    and taking that into account they actually seem to be trying to drive away any additional interest from fans. Pathetic.

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    This movie is going to rock...

    by NopeNotCool

    I&#39;m going to put it right in my DVD collection with the other classics: Godzilla &#39;99, The Island, Catwoman, Batman & Robin... Boy, am I ever glad they got Michael Bay and writers who know absolutely nothing about G1. THIS IS GONNA ROCK!!! I&#39;m going to get a tent and get in line now so that I don&#39;t miss it!

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m going to get a tent ! ^3^

    by Peanutchan

    Yeah, Then we can both go see it and then AvP2 together when they come out! The first one was kind of a disappointment. Does anyone even own any of those movies? I have League of Extrordinary gentlemen but that sonly because of my Sean Connery... thing.

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    That&#39;s fine

    by Lost Prophet

    I am pitching my tent nearby, and I am going to throw pirated copies to the masses. Pity the queue will consist of 3 men and a dog (and pchan)

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    and Pchan

    by Peanutchan

    Yeah, look at me and my freaky self! Isn&#39;t sarcasm fun! ...wheres the dog?

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    by Peanutchan

    Awwshit! Aintitshot is on the Interview board.

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    I noticed

    by Lost Prophet

    fuck him. Wanker. the dog won&#39;t be able to buy a ticket anyway. Which is a shame as they are going to need as many canine tickets as they can get.

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Canine tickets

    by Peanutchan

    Yeah. Damn theaters and their hygene laws. You Specie-ists!

  • Sept. 4, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Hey Googamooga...

    by nonsensical

    Go ahead, but unlike Bay, you (the fans) have the opportunity to shape the way this film looks and feels. Just e-mail me and we&#39;ll get started. We have a group of five now, but we need more people with CG and film experience. Right now we have a pair of story writers and two concept artists. It&#39;s a good start but we can do more. The idea is that WE are doing this... not some egomaniacal douchebag who has no idea what the Transformers are.

  • Sept. 5, 2006, 9:38 a.m. CST

    googamooga and Michael Bay

    by NightArrows

    Everything to surface about this film has been fucking terrible. The teaser was fucking lame. The Director is a fucking hack. The designs are so incredibly fucking bad, and not simply because they aren&#39;t G1, but because they look like they set a 12 year old Skull T-shirt wearing head shop employee loose in a 3D program and told him "make them look bad ass", SIMPLY FUCKING BAD DESIGN. The script chunks that have surfaced sound fucking ridiculous "Yeah, let&#39;s make Optimus and Megatron BROTHERS, see the CONFLICT there? GOLD!" "Yeah, thats fucking GOLD Michael! You want me to vacuum up the cocaine and move the dead hookers?" And what&#39;s the absolute worst? We have shitheels like googamooga with their tongue so far up Bays ass spouting shit like "At least we are getting a Transformers movie that will have kick ass effects". YOU are the reason we have to sit through movies like AVP, which is the WORST film ever made, and YOU are the reason there is unrest in the Middle East. Michael Bay, if you read these talkbacks, everything you touch becomes SHIT. And I&#39;m not talking &#39;Ishtar: So bad it&#39;s good&#39; shit. I&#39;m talking the East German Olympic Shitting Team SHIT. G1 complaints aside, this film is going to suck fucking lard on every other level that the lack of G1-ness seem like a fart next to Hiroshima. I hope it can be buried quickly and quietly after the first two weeks of sucking the life out of any true Transformer fan who wanders in expecting some actual quality from this cinematic clusterfuck. I don&#39;t need to see any of this "film" in a finished state, because when you have nothing but chunks of shit, seeing them put together won&#39;t make it chocolate.

  • Sept. 5, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Don Murphy bashes AICN? That&#39;s nothing new...

    by Kampbell-Kid

    This has been posted on his "links I like" section for awhile now.<< - Kind of fun, like watching the last year of the Nixon Presidency (and I would have been around 10 years old then). The site once was hallowed and revered by everyone, including me. Then Harry Knowles turned it into his launchpad for his fifteen minutes of fame. Next thing you know, he&#39;s selling books and pretending he can produce movies while cameoing in every film without a sense of pride. Now any mental patient can plant a false story and get it picked up (I&#39;ve done it 4 times- it&#39;s fun- try it) and it never gets retracted or addressed. He loves the films he&#39;s paid to love. Still, Nixon on the ground praying to a painting of Kennedy would have been fun to watch too.>>

  • Sept. 6, 2006, 4:53 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    There is clearly no accurate description for him. I would call him an arsehole, but that&#39;s something I can&#39;t do without. BTW this site has been unremittingly slanted towards TF. Outside of Talkbackers, that is.

  • Sept. 8, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST

    I woke up to gun shots and explosions..

    by Jon E Cin

    and I found out transformers was shooting a block away. I didnt see any vehicles just rubble and some army guys walking around with rifles...boring. I went back to sleep.

  • Sept. 18, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Something I just can't understand about Bay

    by Immortal_Fish

    He really is one of us, how he grew up on MTV. Got to live his dream by directing music videos, broke into mainstream, etc. He ain't an old guy. In fact, he's pretty close to my age. So how can he be so out of touch? Why is he directing an action film about giant robots where there is so little material involving the robots themselves (Yes, I read the script)? If someone could time-travel 15-20 years back and tell Bay what he'd be doing in our present day, he'd disbelieve and go into total meltdown in anticipation. I understand production costs cut into how much of this can actually be done, but that doesn't appear to be the problem here. This Transformers film was engineered from the ground up to be about something other than Transformers. It feels like a vehicle for Leia LaBoushh and whatever the name of his squeeze is that's on the nicotene diet. As it stands today from my perspective (which could very well be completely rawng), Bay should try to include more Transformers in his Transformers movie.