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UPDATED w/Image & Release!! Kirk/Spock STAR TREK To Get All-New HD Spaceships!!

Published at: Aug. 30, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST by staff


UPDATE 11:45 PM CST USA 08/30/06

Merrick here...


tvguide.com is reporting that TREK technolords/historians Michael and Denise Okuda are working on the project referenced below. They even have a picture of the Special Edition version of the Enterprise, seen here.





You can CLICK HERE for a bit more information about the series restoration, which sounds like it'll be rolling out as early as this September!?!?!?

UPDATE 11:50 p.m. PST USA 08/30/06!! Herc here again with the just-released official CBS Paramount press release:

The Original Series Returns To Broadcast Syndication For The First Time In 16 Years With Brand-New Digitally Remastered Episodes To Celebrate Its 40th Anniversary

Hollywood, Calif. -- STAR TREK is getting a 21st century makeover. CBS Paramount Domestic Television is releasing digitally remastered episodes of the iconic 1960s sci-fi series, with all new special effects and music, to celebrate the groundbreaking series' 40th anniversary, it was announced today by John Nogawski, president of CBS Paramount Domestic Television.

The new episodes also mark the first time in 16 years that the original STAR TREK series can be seen in broadcast syndication. The episodes will begin airing on the more than 200 stations that own the rights to the weekend broadcast syndication window starting Sept. 16 (check local listings for station and dates). All 79 episodes of the original STAR TREK series will eventually be remastered, with the first batch of episodes chosen from a list of STAR TREK fans' favorite shows.

"STAR TREK redefined science-fiction and constantly pushed the envelope with concepts that were ahead of their time," Nogawski said. "By giving the series a digital upgrade using the best technology available today, it will continue to be a leader in cutting-edge television programming as we introduce the series to a new generation of viewers."

The most noticeable change will be redoing many of the special effects, created with 1960s technology, with 21st century computer-generated imagery (CGI). That includes:

• Space ship exteriors -- The space ship Enterprise, as well as other Starships, will be replaced with state of the art CGI-created ships. The new computer-generated Enterprise is based on the exact measurements of the original model, which now rests in the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C.

• Show opening -- The Enterprise and planets seen in the main title sequence will be redone, giving them depth and dimension for the first time.

• Galaxy shots -- All the graphics of the galaxy, so frequently seen through the window on the Enterprise's bridge, will be redone.

• Exteriors -- The battle scenes, planets and ships from other cultures (notably the Romulan Bird of Prey and Klingon Battle Cruisers) will be updated.

• Background scenes -- Some of the iconic, yet flat, matte paintings used as backdrops for the strange, new worlds explored by the Enterprise crew will get a CGI face-lift, adding atmosphere and lighting.

The refurbished episodes also feature higher quality sound for the famous opening theme. The original score by Emmy Award-winning composer Alexander Courage has been re-recorded in state-of-the-art digital stereo audio with an orchestra and a female singer belting out the famous vocals. A digitally remastered version of William Shatner's classic original recording of the 38-word "Space, the final frontier…" monologue continues to open each episode.

The remastered episodes have been converted from the original film into a High-Definition format, which gives viewers a clearer, crisper, more vibrant picture than before, even when viewed in standard definition. Once stations upgrade and start broadcasting HD signals, the episodes will be all ready for viewers to enjoy in HD.

STAR TREK: THE ORIGINAL SERIES originally premiered on Sept. 8, 1966. Distributed by CBS Paramount Domestic Television, the series was created by Gene Roddenberry. The program stars William Shatner as Captain James T. Kirk, Leonard Nimoy as Mr. Spock, DeForest Kelley as Dr. "Bones" McCoy, James Doohan as Scotty, Walter Koenig as Chekov, Nichelle Nichols as Uhura and George Takei as Sulu.

CBS Paramount Domestic Television is a unit of CBS Corp.

Original report follows...







Merrick here...


The TREK world is abuzz over indications that The Powers That Be are considering revamping the original STAR TREK series (herein TOS) with reworked visual effects.

This potentiality was reported the other day by The Digital Bits, specifically in this article.

Here’s the thrust of the information…


In doing some digging with our industry sources over the last few days... I've found out something that's going to come as a major surprise to a lot of you. It might be one of the best kept secrets in Hollywood in recent years. Never mind The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine and Voyager: It turns out that CBS Video, as part of their high-definition remastering of The Original Series, IS giving a lot of the special effects shots a new CG face-lift! Specifically, they're re-doing all of the spaceship shots. This to me is a very exciting idea... in principle. As anyone who saw the Mirror Universe episodes of Star Trek: Enterprise will tell you, the old TOS ships look awfully damn good in new CG. The replicated TOS sets, the original ship designs... rather than looking dated, they actually hold up VERY well by today's standards. Re-doing the effects will give new life to The Original Series and could help it appeal to a new, younger generation of fans. Unlike, say... the Star Wars films... the original versions of these episodes will always be preserved in GREAT remastered quality on DVD. And it would be extremely cool if CBS would release BOTH versions of the episodes on HD-DVD/Blu-ray, such that you can choose which version you wish to watch... the original or the new enhanced version.

Here's my concern about this... I've learned that, rather than going with a proven effects house, CBS has chosen to do the new CG work in-house. One hopes that they've got someone with REAL Trek effects experience and knowledge involved in the effort... and they they're taking care to preserve the look and feel of the original shots. There's also the concern over whether CBS will re-frame the 1.33:1 aspect ratio series in 1.78:1 for HD presentation. I tried contacting CBS and their DVD distributor, Paramount, on this subject last week, but there was basically no comment. I suppose we'll find out soon enough, but cross your fingers in the meantime. Any way you slice it, however, this is a very interesting development…


As far as being “the best kept secret in Hollywood”, this is only partially correct.

Rumors of TREK “Special Editions” have persisted for ages; one was reported here on AICN (I can’t find a link via our ornery damn search engine) years and years ago. However, The Bits article is correct in that this is the first substantive indication that such an undertaking is moving forward.

In fact, HERE IS A LINK to a website about the Special Editionalizing we specifically discussed back in the day. There’s footage here…check it out. This was a proposal worked up by Daren Dochterman – the piece was submitted for Paramount’s consideration. It didn’t "go". And…when all is said and done…we may wish it had.

While Dochterman’s DOOMSDAY MACHINE was a dry run and likely did not reflect the full potential of episodic retooling, it should be pointed out that Dochterman also worked on the STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE restoration…a prime example of how to do something like this right. Film grain was sampled from the original film stock, then laid over the newer material to make its integration more organic and seamless. New FX were rendered while factoring in the restraints & limitations present when the film was initially produced (i.e. no wild camera movements were incorporated that felt out of place with the original dynamic of the material). Unused storyboards were perused to gauge the intent of FX artists who didn’t have the time or resources to complete what they set out to do. Smart and noble. I’m pointing all of this out as examples of the care that is required to make something like this work…the same care that may not be afforded to the TREK TOS Special Editions.

Herc and I spent the last few days dispatching a fury of e-mails in an effort to confirm this story. We HAVE now confirmed the overall accuracy of The Digital Bit’s report.

The TREK TOS will be put through a makeover. New FX for all of the space material. A new title sequence. The effects will be brought to us by the same team who handled CATEGORY 7: THE END OF THE WORLD – an in-house FX group at CBS. One source characterized the overall nature of this undertaking as “incredibly cheap”.

Elements of The Original Series’ score will be reworked or replaced as well. For my money, the original TREK score was among the finest TV scores of all time – sweeping and propulsive. A bit repetitive perhaps, due to a process called “tracking” in which the same cues could be reused time and time again (i.e. generic “action” music, generic “romance” music, etc.) This practice was ultimately banished.

All of this would be a little more digestible if the original directors, photographers, and FX technicians were involved – if these reworked episodes were being handled in a manner that reflected the intent…or addressed the frustrations…of the people who originally made the shows to begin with. This isn’t likely, given the passage of so much time. Hopefully, a press release on the matter…rumored to arrive as early as tomorrow…may shed more light on how all of this will shake out.

Which begs the question: why is this being done? To make more money? Because Paramount feels strongly that such an undertaking will help make TREK more marketable to a new generation of fans? Because “we” know better than they did back then? A genuine effort to reinvigorate a franchise that was roundly beaten down by Rick Berman and Brannon Braga? Or, mere hubris?

Ultimately, the end result here will only be as good as the talent involved, and the technology they have at their disposal. Personally, I’m thinking there’s a high possibility this could be a gargantuan train wreck if The Powers That Be decide to take the easy path, instead of attacking their mission with the love, respect, and…above all…finances required to make something like this work.

The STAR TREK: THE MOTION PICTURE Special Edition was an excellent example of how to pull off such revisitation. DEEP SPACE NINE’s “Trials and Tribbleations” was another fine endeavor. But they were time consuming, enormously costly undertakings. Seems unlikely that Paramount will shell out the expenses to do this right. This being said, I'd love to be wrong.

At the end of the day, as long as Paramount continues to make the original iteration TOS available in both standard and HD formats, this could, at he very least, be an interesting novelty piece. And, while the notion of tainting TREK: TOS may chafe some die hards, at least we have it better than STAR WARS fans -- who spent years screaming and shouting to convince George Lucas that “the original versions” of the first trilogy actually existed...and mattered.

If anyone out there has more details about this, E-MAIL ME!!!. Or, E-MAIL HERC!!!. We’d love to hear from you!


On a personal note, I'd like to thank Herc for letting me play in his sandbox & share in this particular adventure. TREK is very important to me & I love reporting on it. He's been most gracious, and extremely supportive.


More as more comes in...

UPDATE 5:45 p.m. PST USA 08/29/06!! Herc here with a small update for those concerned that the new shots of the Enterprise might feature Millennium Falcon-style loop-the-loops or snazzy new nacelles. A source who has been investigating the TOS SFX upgrade relates:

My understanding is that as a lot of the ship/effects shots in TOS were done optically, they're rife with dust, dirt and the like. As CBS readies the episodes for eventual HD use, they're basically re-doing the ship shots in CG, but they're apparently taking GREAT pains to ensure that the new shots match as closely as possible to the look and texture of the originals. The result should be close to identical, save for MUCH higher in quality/clarity and thus ready for HD broadcast and release.

When the Kirk-Spock "Star Trek" arrived in 1966, color picture-tubes were just starting to replace the monochrome; people were still watching on primitive 19-inch living-room Trinitrons. When one now looks at even the current SD-DVDs blown up on a 50-inch HD screen, it's too obvious just how hilariously cheap and primitive those "Trek" effects were, even by 1950s movie standards. (You can actually see the background stars through the Enterprise's hull!)

And that's precisely why I've so long been craving the old episodes in HD. I'm like V'ger reaching out to become one with The Kirk. I want to feel like I'm on those revered particle-board sets. I want to see that model-kit Enterprise in the space-station window. I want to see the seams on Spock's ears and the coffee stains on his tunic. And I certainly echo Merrick's sentiments -- I'm cool with the new CGI effects work, and I'm keen to see what they look like, but if the un-upgraded "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "The Cage" aren't made available in HD as well, I think a lot of us Trekkies are going to be plenty mad!





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  • Aug. 30, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Great

    by banditmania

    It's about time to update it.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 5:40 p.m. CST

    first...

    by yassoo

    and why is this being done? i love TOS but it smells of desperation - lets milk this dead horse even more. i have all three box sets, and all the movies, no way i'm paying for anything else...

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 5:41 p.m. CST

    First

    by Reasonaxe

    Yowza!!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    I think this is a great idea

    by Solomon Kane

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Yeah but what about those cheesy sets?

    by HellKing

    It's going to look odd with all those high tech special effects but they couldn't do anything with those multicolored hippie lava lamp alien planet foam sets.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    I've seen the Doomsday footage and it wasn't bad.

    by Sci_Fi_Wasabe

    Not great, but not bad (definitely needed polishing). Damn this could be cool, but I really don't want to see Star Trek with infomercial quality CG work pasted in. At least it doesn't sound like they have the budget to change plot points around. Khan shoots first!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Ugh. No more Star Trek

    by Hugh Jass

    Thats it Paramount - keep trying to reinvigorate the corpse that is Star Trek. No one was a bigger Trek fan than me. I thought the TNG years when Trek was at the height of its popularity were amazing. Not every episode was great, and some even sucked, but by and large TNG was awesome. Then a combination of Paramount's greed and Berman/Braga's gross incompetence started Trek on its slow decline. DS9 had some great moments, but Voyager had no redeeming qualities, and the magic was gone by the time Enterprise hit the screen. All this talk of prequels and remastering is a waste. Star Trek is creatively bankrupt. Voyager and Nemesis are proof positive. For the love of God, they were doing Borg episodes on Enterprise! Every story has been told. But the greedy fucks at Paramount will still keep trying to wring a buck out of Trek, and in doing so, will continue to diminish its past greatness.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Let's update everything!!!

    by MCVamp

    Shameless, shameless, shameless money grab. Let me repeat that. Shameless money grab. Three things to consider: The original series is on DVD. No matter how great HD-DVD or Blu-Ray or Holophonor looks, it's going to be a miniscule improvement over current editions, so there's no reason to ever buy another version of the series again. Ever. Seriously, there won't be any new commentaries or interviews because almost every important cast member or creative mind on this show is either dead or very very old. This will do nothing to bring in "new" Star Trek fans. At this point, Star Trek is a fan-base in a bubble. 90% of new Star Trek fans are pretty much going to be the children of old Star Trek fans, and if Trek fans are anything like SW fans, they will spit and curse upon the new versions...and probably buy them anyway. Money grab. Instead of making new and interesting stories of the ST universe or God forbid, creating something COMPLETELY NEW to capture the public's imagination, they're going back to the well. AGAIN. The SW Special Editions, while interesting, added nothing...NOTHING to the fanbase while subtracting several hundred dollars worth of movie tickets, VHS tapes, DVDs, and merchadise from their pockets. This "Improved" Star Trek is simply an attempt to duplicate that, nothing more, and there won't even be anything as reasonably noble as sticking Ian MacDarmaid into "Empire." It's all about the over-priced DVD sets. I'm not even passionate about Star Trek, I just saw Merrick's rundown of questions as to why they would do this at all. Had I chosen to use a single character for this post, I could have summed it all up: "$" Pure leechery. Thank God I'm not a real Trekkie. I just don't have pockets that deep.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by ELGordo

    The reason I watch TOS is because of the enourmous cheese factor it presents. The crappy FX and silly action are a joy to watch on a cold winter night.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:13 p.m. CST

    The storyline of the ep's is what made original trek

    by warp11

    Stand out from the crowd. Now couple that with more state of the art effects and you could introduce trek to a whole new generation.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:13 p.m. CST

    The Motion Picture "Director's Edition"

    by photoboy

    The TMP DE was a load of crap. Half the cuts seemed like they were made for the heck of it, and they added all sorts of stupid sound effects that were out of place. Plus they gave the computer enunciator a stupid female voice that completely missed the point of what they were going for originally. Plus worst of all, they didn't render any of the new effects in HD, it was all done at DVD resolution to any HD-DVD or BD version of the TMP DE will look like complete ass. So long as these new TOS upates don't fuck with the story, sounds effects or editing and try to be as in-keeping as possible with the original look they might be OK.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Heh, three things turned into a rant...

    by MCVamp

    But while we're on the subject, let's "Special Edition" ALF into a nine-foot purple CGI squid! Let's turn K.I.T.T. into a 2007 Mustang! How about inserting footage from the McDonald's High School All-Star Dunk Contest into THE WHITE SHADOW to make the show more "accessible" to younger viewers?

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Begin your endless, pointless bitching

    by A G

    The originals are available on DVD untouched. This SHOULD be interesting and if you have the passion to complain about it then you will all watch it anyway. Please, save your breath.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Perhaps THIS is the Mirror Universe?

    by Evil Chicken

    I

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    For Fucks Sake, leave it alone already!.....

    by CloneRangerUK

    ....sheesh, don't these people ever learn hen it comes to tampering with iconic things like this. These were a product of its time, there is a great nostalgia value built in - why contaminate it with CG-overload, it didn't really do Star Wars any favours did it? (personally I can't wait to get hold of the original/archival versions of SW out next month, anamorphic or not). Anyways, I am quite content with my 3 x TOS DVD box sets thanks very much. Why doesn't the penny drop with those clueless douchbags at Paramount, that what a lot of the fans are dying to see is a Captain Sulu/Excelsior or Enterprise-B series, or at the very least some series that is set in Kirk movie era timeline. Correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there about 70 years worth of timeline to fill between Kirk (Burgandy uniform?) movies & the next Gen movies for Gods sake?!?!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    You forget...

    by DarkWater

    All they need to do for 90% of the series is restore the same 10 shots of the Enterprise we saw over and over. But if get high-def transfers we're going to see the styrofoam rocks, the plywood walls, and the tape on Spocks ears.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Khaaaaaaaaaaan!

    by Mockingbird Girl

    So freakin' unnecessary, it can only be a ploy to sell more DVDs.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Khan shoots first with a walkie-talkie

    by c4andmore

    stupids

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I'm open to this idea.

    by rbatty024

    So long as only the special effects are messed with and none of the actual story. The problem with Lucas' tinkering is that he denied people access to the original and he made changes to the actual story (Greedo shooting first is the most egregious example). It might be nice for the original Trek to look like it actually belongs in the same universe as all the other Trek.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    i'm surprised it took them so long to finally do this

    by TheSecondQuest

    What with off the shelf software able to achieve better results, I'm surprised there wasn't a fan effort to do this years ago. Though, granted, the dated FX are forgivable and probably the least of the problems with TOS (but you can't really CGI annoying cinematography choices, bad 60's TV acting styles or unresolved plot points). Still, it is a step in the right direction to making TOS watchable without wearing nostalgia or historical glasses.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Red Dwarf....

    by Kizeesh

    As a concept its an intriguing idea, stick to the same style of shots. With cgi improvements, or reworking. Despite the general fanboy chagril towards the Star Wars changes, most don't have much problem with shots such as the Xwing fly-by and the improved sandcrawler. Likewise the footage on the Doomsday episodes manages to do this almost right. (granted some of the shots look more like TNG stylistically) Hopefully this project will work, unlike the dreadful BBC attampts to "update" the classic Red Dwarf episodes, the sound and picture re-mastering was fine, but all of the CGI footage was cheap and nasty looking and jarred terribly with the original model-work. Thank god that the dvd releases of RD have simply ignored the existance of that failed turd, and stuck with the original in all its chean n' cheerful glory.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST

    I hope they put CG google eyes on the tribbles...

    by smackfu

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST

    youssa people gonna die?

    by newc0253

    all new remastered original trek, featuring all new CG character, ensign binks!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST

    This could be awsome...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Have faith, brothers.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Red Dwarf Remastered

    by Fried Gold

    is what this will likely turn out to be like.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Sooo...

    by RainesMaker

    We blast Lucas for SE but laud Trek SE? Hmmm... I smell (pause) double (pause) standard.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Niomoy said Paramont wants him + Shatner for ST XI

    by DARTH VOODOO

    It has flown under the radar here. But, Leonard Nimoy is quoted as saying in the last couple of days that Paramont has asked him and William Shatner to appear in Star Trek 11. Check out the story over at trekweb.com or bringbackkirk.com

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    The right way to do this...

    by Anakin Whoopass

    ... would be so that someone who had never seen TOS wouldn't suspect any tinkering. What it should look like is 1960s effects as if they'd had Stanley Kubrick's budget instead of Desilu's. Clearly SOME improvement would be welcome. Although the film of TOS's live action scenes has been well preserved, the "stock" shots of the various Enterprise flybys look awful. (Note the huge bits of dirt obvious in just this one frame: http://tinyurl.com/gktzo and of course this shot which has never looked good: http://tinyurl.com/f6fta) The stock footage physically deteriorated both during the optical composting process and when the finished shots were repeatedly re-spliced into one episode after another. HD will make the jump between these two levels of quality even more glaring. Finally a shot from the mirror episode of the Bakula show, CG of the old-school ship done very well: http://tinyurl.com/zxg27 Pray that CBS/Paramount even get close to that.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Can we redo TNG while we're at it?

    by Eaglet1138

    Seriously, they reused the same five shots of the 1701-D for all seven seasons. It gives me a headache just to think of the effects on all the Trek shows before Voyager. DS9 was fine, but the first few seasons could use a facelift too.************* I for one will buy these sets if they're released at typical prices, rather than the gouging Paramount has been attempting. Gives me an extra incentive to lay down the cash. Also, this will work well to make the jump from TOS to the new Kirk/Spock Trek movie not so glaring.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Cool, Anakin W.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    You've almost made me believe that this could work, would look impressive, and would not be an insult to the original. Everyone aught to look at the shots you linked to before making up their minds.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST

    This News Is Years Old...A nd A Good Idea!!!

    by MetalWater

    A special effects company was hired by Paramount years ago to do test footage for a revamp of the original Star Trek's special effects...having hatched the idea from the Star Wars special edition films that were released in the 90's. The stills that I saw of the Star Trek revisionist effects looked great!!!...Then I heard that Paramount selved the idea for some ridiculous reason. I would really like to see Paramount revamp all of the effects from the original series including replacing matte paintings of landscapes, digitally fixing make-up effects, enhancing or replacing whole sets, and certainly amping up the space battles with all new footage completely replacing the old!!! I'm a fan of the old show, but its age is starting to show!!! Time for a re-fit!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    This is so TOS will match what Abrams is planning....

    by genro

    This is going to brew a shitstorm. It's not a simple VFX clean-up. While it's going to resemble TOS, it's going to have a very modern sci-fi vibe. Color corrections abound. Interior ship design tinkering. Phaser and photon updates. The list may expand, depending on Abrams. He has full say on adapting things to fit his movie. The goal is to make TOS neo-retro in design, modern in production and story structure.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    The show doesn't need to be Lucas-ized but....

    by Gorrister

    ...I can't help but wonder what it'll look like. I guess I'm not so upset about this because the original versions are already out there and aren't likely to go away (unlike the original Star Wars movies). If its done right (which I doubt it will be) it would probably look pretty cool. But I don't think it would be anything more than a "novelty" on the shelf of any REAL Star Trek fan.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Doomsday Machine

    by DreamIsOver

    So the Doomsday Machine is now a spice worm from Dune instead of a giant spliff floating in space? Totally ruins the thinly veiled anti-drug theme of the episode.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Lucas Vs ST-TOS?

    by 900LBGorilla

    Why are guys like rainesmaker so freaking CLUE-LESS? Double standard over Luca$$? Give mean a freaking break. This ain

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST

    I don't know what to think

    by quadrupletree

    On the one hand, if done by people who both love, care and respect the source material and it's done right then this could be a good thing. But the quote that it's being done

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    What a waste of time and money

    by jimmy_009

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:41 p.m. CST

    I think this is a silly effort

    by CrayonPie

    I guess its cool if it helps new fans experience the show who cant get over the old effects. But, I think it is a bit silly.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    How about making new shows....

    by CrayonPie

    ....from existing classic footage or cg recreations of the actors? That would be kinda neat.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    how much do you want to bet...

    by TheBaxter

    that they'll add some CGI ridges to the klingons' foreheads?

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    My only fear...

    by rbatty024

    is that they change the design of the ship or something stupid like that. I don't think even Paramount will be that stupid, but you never know. Give us better special effects but keep the original design and feel of the show.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Here's an Idea, Paramount....

    by omarthesnake

    Don't do this horsecrap. Instead, take the 20-some animated episodes and CGI THEM! Make spiffy new photo-realistic animated adventures with the already-recorded voice tracks of the original crew -- including the late lamented DeForest and Doohan -- and give the majority of fans stories they've never had before at the same time. Guaranteed gold!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Holy shit.

    by Veraxus

    I don't know how I feel about that considering what happened to Star Wars - but I'm not outright opposed to the idea... and I have TOS on DVD already so... fuck it, bring on that shit! I'm a total consumer whore.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST

    Meh.

    by Paul T. Ryan

    I already paid about $400 bucks Australian for TOS in its entirety. I'm not shelling out again. Still, it can't be worse than the god-awful Red Dwarf Remastered from the late 90's.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Holy Shit - Paramount has become Lucas

    by CylonGod

    Lets all just take a good healthy - Race Horse long steaming Piss on the Grave of Matt Jefferies and anyone else who ever worked their collective asses off to bring us Special Effects that arent up to Par now-a-days , good lord , We cant respect that much we might as well throw in the towel and stop making any kind of film - its about the appreication of the art in its "finished" form - nothing more / nothing less - While this would go a long way t'wards preserving TOS alot longer , I cant by any strech of the Imagination subscribe to such an act because it walks all over what the show has always stood for

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST

    I'm more interested in Star Trek Next Generation in HD.

    by The Outlander

    Going from video quality to HD transfer from film with FX will quite dramatic. Also TNG has better sound quality than TOS.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Chance of Shatner/Nimoy appearance in XI??

    by performingmonkey

    Going off of Nimoy's comments it would seem that he would be willing to reprise his role as Spock for a short scene or two in Trek XI. That would be great. Personally I think the worst thing they could do is simply forget that Kirk and Spock are Shatner and Nimoy in this reboot/reimagining/one-off prequel/whathefuckever. Showing them as old men recounting a story, very likely to be their first adventure together, would be an EXCELLENT way to please everybody. Regarding Kirk, they should just pretend as though Generations didn't happen, or that Kirk somehow ended up back alive in his normal time (the best bet would be that it was a parallel Kirk that died in Generations, just come up with some bullshit sci-fi explanation and no-one will care, they'll only care about the fact that Kirk is still alive and didn't get the lamest death ever). Perhaps Trek XI could begin with Kirk and Spock (as played by Shatner and Nimoy) attending McCoy's funeral. Then they start to reminisce about the first time they met each other and it just does a fade to the movie proper with young actors.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    I have long had it on excllent authority ...

    by Hercules

    ... that Star Trek XI is completely within established continuity and in no way, shape or form a reboot.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Well

    by Alientoast

    One can hope that STXI involves DS9 ;( Although what we'll probably get is Star Trek: The Search for Data.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Too Soon!!!

    by Truecoat

    I'm surprised no one said it by now?

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 10:18 p.m. CST

    They're doing it for the prequel....

    by moto

    The whole reason behind this is so that they can prep for the StarTrek prequel... revamping the original series ala Battlestar Galactica (i.e. new ship design, etc.). Instead of explaining why things look so different, now they don't have to explain because they are redoing the effects. I hate prequels...

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I liked that Doomsday footage a lot...

    by Batutta

    He got the look and feel of the 60's show right, just with better clarity and detail. For some reason this idea doesn't bother me like the Special Edition Star Wars films do. As long as they don't start adding CGI creatures this should be cool.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Disney needs to digitally update 20, 000 Leagues...

    by Cadillac Jones

    ...I want the Giant Squid to fire first, not Nemo, dammit!!!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Now Khan Shoots First.

    by Flim Springfield

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who has been doing this for years...

    by ChrisPC24

    Several classic episodes have been updated with CGI and 5.1, and look and sound great. The original versions are also bundled with them. Even the non-enhanced episodes have had major remastering. All of this is done by a team of fans who happen to work at the BBC. One of these episodes was actually the first ever BBC DVD!

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Okay, I'm no Paramount studio brainiac or anything...

    by mookiedood

    But I keep reading how the fans want to see Shatner and Nimoy on screen again, how the mainstream crowd has a difficult time warming to all the new Trek incarnations without Kirk and Spock, how Shatner and Nimoy are apparently open to reprising their roles... and how Paramount is having such a hard time figuring out how to bring a popular and profitable Trek back to either the large or small screen. I'm sorry, but this really doesn't sound like brain surgery to me.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Don't touch it, scumbags.

    by superninja

    That show is still better than anything these people could produce right now.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST

    TV guide's insider is reporting it as true

    by TodayzSpecial

    whatever that means: http://tvguide.com/News/Insider/

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    The problem is, old Kirk and Spock

    by superninja

    are not as cool as young Kirk and Spock.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Star Trek XI......

    by JoeyGladstone

    full title.... Star trek XI: photon torpedoing a dead horse, not to be confused with Jurassic Park 4: beating a dead horseasaurus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eNqFibM7Ig

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:42 p.m. CST

    leave abraham lincoln in there.

    by dr.bulber

    change the styrofoam boulders tho.

  • Aug. 30, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Possible Plot

    by Alientoast

    Guinan finally removes her hat, revealing Kirk's toupee. This part of Kirk escaped the Nexus and was sustained within her goofy clothing. Meanwhile, on Romulus, Spock realizes that the last movie made his job alot easier. His followers begint to plant ILDs (Improvised Logic Devices) along the roads, detonating them as Romulans drive by and turning them from snooty Romulans into snooty Vulcans. The Federation is called to deal with the situation. Meanwhile, Kirk's toupee is merged with the proto-Data, turning him into Kirkta. Kirkta is unleashed to stop Spock's terrorist rampage. For the greater good of their careers, both sacrifice themselves. Spock, Data, and Kirk are seemingly all dead. Riker suggests that Picard wear the toupee, but Picard reminds Numba One that bald captains have a better trackrecord in Star Trek. Fade to black. I appologize for that burst of randomness.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:10 a.m. CST

    CGI would do wonders for this lame show...

    by JAGUART

    They should totally substitute Shatner with like say,... Matt Damon.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:12 a.m. CST

    You're Like a Bunch of Shrieking Old Women

    by SeedyAl

    Why the fuck not mess around with it? The originals are out on DVD. How can the new effects be any worse than what's already there? You silly purists can go lock yourselves in a room and watch your crappy effects.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Because it's someone else's creative work

    by superninja

    seedy Al. Not theirs.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    You know, the people that did the design

    by superninja

    work and worked really hard with a small budget probably aren't even dead yet!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:02 a.m. CST

    "watching on primitive 19-inch living-room Trinitrons."

    by SG7

    LOL. Someone doesn;t know squat about the history of TV or what "trinitron" is.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST

    "Star trek XI: photon torpedoing a dead horse"

    by Shermdawg

    lol

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Well...

    by CowboyBob250

    Now Star Wars fans won't be the only ones getting bent over by CGI enhancements.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Now they can add the hot lion-chick from the cartoon!

    by Flim Springfield

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Denny Cr... Kirk?

    by Veraxus

    Shatner can't do Kirk any more... and Nimoy is too old to do Spock without some SERIOUS plastic surgery and/or prosthetics. Face it, we're not going to see any new Kirk/Spock/TOS Star Trek. It's just not realistic.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Red Dwarf Remastered...

    by Barrymore

    was terrible. The ST people have to make sure that this new ST isn't like RD Remastered. The elongated Red Dwarf CGI ship alone was horrible.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Will they add the DS9 Crew into some Tribble-scenes?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Now THAT would be a funny idea...kinda.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Aw hell why not

    by Orionsangels

    If you know every member by heart and are tired of watching the original series and this makes it interesting again. Sure why no. As long as they call it enhanced. Best of luck to them.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    episode not member lol!

    by Orionsangels

    it's 5am gimmie break haha

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Just change that damn planet

    by Lemming

    That was there in every episode. You know, the Red one. And I'll be happy.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:33 a.m. CST

    Spock...help me...Spock...

    by The Selecter

    Maybe they can also have the Gorn actually speaking, instead of that static plastic mask... Face it, Paramount doesn't give a rat's ass what the fans think. They'll do what they want. Otherwise, they wouldn't have let the idiots who have been in charge of Trek crash the franchise into the ground and let it burn.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:39 a.m. CST

    HD? HD? BLOW IT OUT YER ASS!

    by LordEnigma

    The HD concept remains the most ridiculous concept shoved down any consumers throat in ages. If I want to see these ENHANGED OS ST episode. I have to upgrade to HD? Paramount would be smoking a lot of the purple nurple, if they only put these out on HD or BLU-RAY. Put this out on DVD and it's sure to sell more than two lame formats that have more bugs in them than a 'coon shack in the backwoods of Kentucky.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 5:25 a.m. CST

    Roddenberry wanted to do this

    by I Dunno

    He originally wanted TNG to be a rehash of all the TOS episodes with better FX (see the second episode where they all went crazy).

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:04 a.m. CST

    "Fake" wide-screen or not?

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Well that shot of the Enterprise provided by CBS is in 1:33 aspect ratio, not 1:77.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Perhaps they can add the talking Tribble scene

    by cornstalkwalker

    where he's talking to Han Solo. Oh wait, wrong picture. So much for film history these days. Everything has to be redone to try and suck a little bit more milk out of the cash cow.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Fascinating

    by Evil Chicken

    Now THAT is one beautiful Enterprise NCC-1701. When this/these come out it will be an automatic must-see for this fan, no doubt. No wonder the price on the boxed sets of TOS just came down,

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:30 a.m. CST

    This Is What They Do When All The Trekkies Have Bought

    by flamingrunt

    the dvds and no one else wants to buy them

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Whoa. That took awhile.

    by CatVutt

    So I see a reference to Star Trek XI in the TB, and I start counting the ones I could remember...and I only came up with nine. Took me a good 15 minutes to remember 'Insurrection'...not that I actually remember it, mind you. What the hell was that one about? I remember some people who didn't age or something because of a their sun? Maybe? Something like that?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Original artists

    by biggsdarklighter

    Anyone complaining about how these CGI changes show disrespect to the work of the original artists ("pissing on Matt Jefferies grave", etc.) should remember that all those artists didn't donate their work for free. They exchanged their artistic talents for a PAYCHECK. They were artists for hire -- which means they did as they were instructed and walked away knowing their work might be used, not used, altered, trimmed or changed by the people who signed their paycheck. That's how the movie business works. Even Roddenberry happily excepted millions of Paramount's money in exchange for his "vision". If he or any of the other artists didn't want their work mucked with they could've not taken the money and retained creative control. For all the bitching people do about Lucas, at least he was smart enough to retain creative control so that he's the one altering his own work.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:56 a.m. CST

    I love it!

    by Dragon Man

    I'm a big TOS fan and I can't wait to see these enhanced episodes. I was watching "Tomorrow Is Yesterday" recently and really enjoying the story.... and then the shots of the Enterprise came on as they were trying to jump forward in time, and it looked so bad by today's standards. I was actually wondering what it would look like with improved effects, and then I read this news. Now the only question I have is: When will they put these enhanced shows on DVD?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    I second The Baxter's call for updated Klingons

    by Regicidal_Maniac

    if possible. Oh man that'd be the icing on the cake.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Holy shit..that photo

    by RobinP

    ...makes a GREAT wallpaper. Maybe I was right in holding out with my VHS tapes after all, because if they release season box sets on DVD of these versions, I have no option...I'm IN !!!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:13 a.m. CST

    DerLanghaarige

    by Kizeesh

    That would make my day completely.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST

    In Syndication Sept. 16?!

    by Eaglet1138

    Woo hoo! Man, I'm excited. I wonder what netlet will pick this up. Spike seems the obvious choice, but I'm sure CBS/Viacom/Paramount would like it to show on a major. CW Saturdays?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Fuck it! Paramount are on a roll with good decision's..

    by Gabba-UK

    After ditching Cruise on the not unreasonable grounds that he'd been acting like a lunatic (to be fair to him if I was a 42 year old fucking a 26 year old Katie Holmes I'd be leaping around too) this seems like a bold move by Paramount and CBS. Yes I said it, BOLD. After all the flack that Lucas got for the SE Star Wars (rightly or wrongly but that's not were talking about here) it has been shown that the one thing that you don't do is piss off your fan base. From that one shot of the 'new' Enterprise I can tell that Paramount don't want to do that. While purist's may argue about it's merits one thing you can't deny. There are a generation out there who's ONLY experience of Trek has been TNG and onwards. If this reworking of the visuals and clean up of the footage can get people to see TOS who wouldn't normally then that is a good thing. As for people thinking the design work of TOS won't stand up modern 'standards', well the episodes I've seen of new Trek with rebuilt sets such as Trials and Tribblations prove that Matt Jefferies original designs more than stand the test of time. I for one will be looking forward to seeing this. Be a while till it turns up on TV over here so Bit-Torrent it will have to be. And as I just managed to get the full TOS on DVD for just

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Ok the ship shots i can understand...

    by DigitalDong

    But the score as well? Ok its cheesy/campy and its always the same. But I thought that was a part of the show's charm. I liekd the first of TNG cause alot of its episodes had that OS feel to it. I say change the old effect shots and remaster. Then leave it at that. Otherwise next they'll change the sets, change the Klingons, change Uhura's bra, and somehow change the story so the new red shirt ensign doesn't get killed in every episode when they beam down. Actually I kind of peeved TNG didn;t do that more, but oh yeah, they did it too. CLASSIC!!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:24 a.m. CST

    And yes RobinP..

    by Gabba-UK

    It does indeed make a great wallpaper.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    image

    by Anakin Whoopass

    The new Enterprise appears to be the very same CG model appearing as the Defiant in Star Trek: Enterprise. At least we know the ship will look right. As for the music tinkering, there are several CDs out that have original TOS music with a bigger orchestra, so that could turn out well also.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Updated to match the new movie

    by Norm3

    Since Abrams is doing a prequel they would want a seamless match in effects I would think.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Paramount trying to make money?? My GOD!

    by readingwriter

    Wow, let me sit down and try to get over the horror of a movie studio doing something to earn a buck--never heard of THAT concept before. I thought they just put out Star Trek material because they liked Trekkies. ST is a property, and they are trying to improve it so new viewers will watch the only ST series that matters at all. I watched these as a kid, haven't seen them since, but it is amusing to see everyone here commenting on things I either saw and didn't care about (stars through the hull occassionally) or didn't see (tape on Spock's ears?). I suppose it's due to the intense interest geeks have in this stuff that they watch each episode twenty times and rewind and look for tape on Spock's ears, and I am definitely feeling like an old crank, but I dunno, I do think things were better for kids when we watched an episode, turned off the TV, and went outside and played instead of sitting on the Internet all day discussing such meaningless details, no offense. As I keep saying here, life's too short for this kind of stuff...which of course I am now babbling about. But, it is.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 9:06 a.m. CST

    If they're gonna do it, please do it right

    by Svetty Ballz

    As long as they're gonna do it, hopefully they don't do some half-assed job. Reworking the exterior ship shots, lay in new bridge view screens, update phaser shots, throw in some clouds and other effects when they are on planetary surfaces... Update the gorn to cg from the guy it the rubber suit, throw in some ridged Klingons, hell throw some cg ridges onto exhisitng Klingons, update the Andorian antennas... Throw a few bones to the fanboys, like we could see shot of a Zindi sphere or the original Enterprise when the Guardian of Forever reviews human history, get John DeLancie to do the voice-over for Trelane's dad... Like Flim said above, drop in the hot lion chick from TAS

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Connections

    by Grendel_01

    Back in the sixties, whenever we had a shot from space,from actual space missions, the footage was grainy and a little hard to make out detail. Star Trek, while having slightly better detail, emulated that. I don't know if it was intentional or not. Anyway, it helped us to make the connection between the Star Trek world and our own. Now, with the clearer shots from space we are getting, this could indeed make that very same connection for newer viewers of TOS. I think it's a good idea, as long as us old fogeys get to keep our original effects and space shots.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    biggsdarklighter

    by RenoNevada2000

    So by your logic, it would be ok for the current owners of the Mona Lisa to paint a mustache on it and say "Hey, she's an Italian chick and a mustache would be more realistic. Besides we own it!"?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Why not---

    by RenoNevada2000

    Why not go back to the original shots and digitally remove the dirt that got in their due to the optical process?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    I like man-in-suit Gorn better...

    by Billyeveryteen

    The one in "Enterprise" sucked.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:09 a.m. CST

    RenoNevada2000,

    by I Dunno

    Roddenberry and co. made TOS with the best technology that was available and affordable at the time. If he could use today's FX he would have.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Touch up that big white monkey Kirk fights!

    by Baron Karza

    And the space hippies. That shit looks silly now.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Great idea, Omarthesnake

    by TimBenzedrine

    I've been suggesting this same idea every chance I get for years now, but no one seems to be listening. the animated series,though hopelessly rickety looking when veiwed today, had a few good plotlines (some of them were sequels to some of the classic episodes,and some of them were taken from proposed scripts for the forth season that never materialized)This should be a no-brainer, It gives the fans of TOS one more season of classic Trek, and it brings all new "Roddenberry approved" storylines to fans who didn't see this show thirty years ago. They could enhance the action, use other camera moves than that static pan across the bridge shot, and other often repeated "animation".(this was Filmation after all, these guys recycled everything.)It could be done with new music and special effects, plus you have all the original cast voices (they could even recast some of the lame Filmation voices with a more recognizable celebrity voices, I'm sure the original actors wouldn't mind relooping some of the more simple minded dialogue)Even if the animation was just a notch above video game quality, Paramount could make a mint remaking this series.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah, but...the POINT of "Trek" was never the f/x

    by RobinP

    ..it was the stories. THAT, rather than the f/x was always the allure of Star Trek. The f/x were always a means to aid the storytelling, not the actual payoff. I'm assuming that there will be no tampering with the episodes other than to re-do the f/x scenes. In which case...groovy. There was ALWAYS a stock shot used mainly in the first season that bugged me. It was The Enterprise coming down towards the camera with the planet of the week underneath. It was usually used just before the end credits - look at The Man Trap - it's there, and in several others. It bugs me because of the truly awful matte work and clumsy "juddering" of the ship.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Mona Lisa

    by biggsdarklighter

    RenoNevada2000, even DaVinci knew that working on commission means that you are exchanging services (in this case, artistic) for cash. Unless they had an agreement that says otherwise, the person who hired DaVinci had the final say over the creative decisions. Accepting the paycheck relieves the artist of that responsibility. Things, of course, become more complicated after 500 years with the painting changing ownership hundreds of times. Technically, could the current owners change the painting to suit their fancy? Sure, but one would hope that alteration isn't the motivation behind purchasing something like the Mona Lisa in the first place. In the case of Trek, however, all the artists sold their services (and in Roddenberry's case, his services as executive producer and rights as creator) to a corporate entity that they knew could and WOULD exploit the material for maximum profit. Anyone making a deal with a studio knows that they are agreeing to allow a constantly revolving set of executives make decisions about their work based on whatever they think will make them the most money at that moment and in the future. That's the movie business.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    I Dunno-

    by RenoNevada2000

    And Renaissance painters might have wanted to use cameras, but they didn't have that technology then, so should we trash alot of art hanging in museums? Maybe I'm the only one who still retains a sense of history.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    If you all want to pay extra for a bunch of

    by superninja

    crappy CGI, have at it, then. Guess you didn't learn your lesson from Star Wars. Excessive CGI actually sucks the soul right out of stuff. The OS was 1,000 more creative than any Star Trek ever made, with its cheezy special effects. It seems more human and "realistic" than TNG or any of the other shows and they will never come close.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Exchanging services for cash.

    by superninja

    I get your point, it is a business. However, Reno is right - at some point it attains value beyond that, you treasure it as more than simply a business transaction. I don't see CGI being used well in 99% of films anyway, with few exceptions.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    The catch phrase is "creative"

    by NoHubris

    Give these talented F/X people a chance to actually create something new instead of continuously tweaking the work product of others - work product which is already endearing to a huge fan base. I mean for real - it sounds as if Berman and Braga didn't really leave Trek, but are in the walls at the studio, whispering to execs, telling them to carry on the mission of diluting the greatness of Star Trek by inserting ideas from lesser creative minds.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    It's About Time!

    by Real Deal

    I've been wishing for this since that old article on AICN. The only thing that makes you really groan when watching TOS is the bad effects. This could make the episodes new again. Let's face it they're not going to make new episodes with the original actors so this is the next best thing.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Updating Trek - what would you do?

    by Outrider304

    Rather than complain one way or the other about specific changes, why don't you talk about what you would be willing to change and why. For me, its all about the effects. I wouldn't touch the story, pacing, or performances. I would change all the space shots - ships, alien beings, combat, planets, etc. I would modify the view screen on the bridge to conform to any space changes. I would modify all hand phaser and transporter effects (although I would keep the original yellow coloration - just revise it a bit). I would also modify the background on away missions so there's sky and depth to make it look more like they aren't on a sound stage. If I had the money, I might even modify the horta to make it look less like a character from the muppets. I would modify the main title sequence and update it, and I think it's a good idea they are revising the score, but I would NEVER change it into something its not, because they main title was great. I would even modify some of the sound effects if it helped emerse the viewer in the story better. Ultimately what we love about trek is the story and characters, and as long as this effort enhances the vehicle for doing that, I don't think we'll lose out as fans unless they don't spend the money to do it right...but anything has go to look better than that same red planet or the stars shining through the hull :)

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Bad old effects or bad new effects

    by NoHubris

    I loves me some great effects, but Real Deal - as alluded to by Superninja - we don't know if that's what were gonna get. I hope the new boss really is different than the old one because the people behind Trek have been acting like a mediocre car salesman. He doesn

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    NoHubris, my concerns are as follows:

    by superninja

    1) changing things to fit with their crappy new series revisionist views - UNACCEPTABLE, 2) excessive use of CGI that distracts from the story, 3) editing the original material to fit with their exessive special effects - cutting story, 4) scoring to create emphasis where none existed before. I could probably think of a few more. I love the original score and really think it's a mistake to alter it.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST

    RenoNevada2000, go to Best Buy get the TOS...

    by ComputerGuy68

    enjoy! If the "enhanced" edition can capture a new audience good! I want to see it, and I am a long time Trek fan.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    History

    by biggsdarklighter

    Fans need to get off their soapboxes about "preserving history" every time someone decides to do one of these updates. History is preserved. There are literally millions of copies of the original Treks and original Star Wars films floating around to ensure that they will live on forever despite any changes. I don't understand where fans get this idea that they are constitutionally guaranteed the right to have their own private Library of Cogress in their basements to ensure that "film history" is enshrined forever. You have the right to buy this shit or not. Period. What all this bitching boils down to -- and this is especially true in the case of Star Wars -- is that a group of fans has mistaken their obsessiveness about someone else's piece of art for a sense of collective ownership that doesn't exist. "Attained value" is just a subjective designation that suggests collective ownership that trumps the original artist or current owner.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    No LordEnigma...HD blows you!

    by Orionsangels

    Anyone who criticizes HD hasn't experienced true HD. Because if you had. You wouldn't be talking like that. Once you go HD. You never wanna go back. It's like night and day. You realize how God Awful TV has looked your whole life. Watching HDTV is like TV being reborn again. I find myself watching shows I'd never watch before just because what my eyes are watching is so clear and defined. I find my eyes wandering as I watch HD. Oh look at the behind that person 80ft away. Oh look at that and this. You notice everything and it brings TV alive again! Look HDTV's are less than 1000 now and Comcast offers DVR with HD box for 10 bucks extra a month. no $300 dollar box you have to buy and expensive bill like directv offers. making HD seem like a pipe dream. With comcast making HD affordable. There's no excuse not to have HD now.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Lucas should fix all the f/x shots on the OT too...

    by ComputerGuy68

    that scene with Luke and the Rancor in Jedi still bugs me.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I agree with biggsdarklighter

    by Orionsangels

    The old series isn't going anywhere and won't be lost. I mean they're calling it Star Trek Enhanced. Not the new Star Trek replacement versions. No one annouced like Lucas did about his Star Wars movies. That these are now the definitive versions and the old versions should be forgotten. I think ST enhanced is a fun idea and I welcome it.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    ComputerGuy, that scene was fixed

    by Orionsangels

    They removed the black outline around the closeups of the rancor. That's good enough for me. I mean I still want it to be what I saw in my childhood. I don't want a complete CG rancor.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    How about we update the TNG, Deep Space 9,

    by superninja

    Voyager and Enterprise so they fit with the TOS and no longer suck? Now, that is a REAL creative undertaking!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Forgotten

    by biggsdarklighter

    Orionsangels, I agree that nothing is being lost here, but I would disagree about Lucas. He's completely within his right -- morally, ethically, whatever -- to do what he wants to his films. He made them and he's making the changes to his story. It's completely within his right to present the story as he wants to do it regardless of how emotionally invested some fans are in the earlier versions. If he wants them to replace the originals, he should. Any fan wanting to re-live the originals can find good copies within seconds (assuming they don't already have several copies on their shelves already!)

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Look, if this works, I will happily eat my

    by superninja

    words. But I have yet to see CGI enhancement improve anything.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    RE; NoHubris

    by Real Deal

    As Outrider 304 said " but anything has go to look better than that same red planet or the stars shining through the hull ".I have faith that what they will try to do ( Especially since the Okudas are involved ) is to remain faithful to the original. " The Doomsday Machine " Was a really good episode except when the cheap model of the Enterprise wiggles, or the phasers look like a cartoon, or you can see the stars through both the Enterprise and the doomsday machine. That kind of ruins it for me. This isn't like enhancing fx from 1977 like Star Wars. This from more than 10 years earlier with a nothing budget. For anyone who likes TOS they deserve this. They would really have to go out of their way to ruin it. And from what I've read that's not their intent.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    RE: Superninja

    by Real Deal

    Your post about TNG and DS9 is just silly.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Superninja, your list is on target...

    by NoHubris

    ...especially about the revisionist aspect. What gives them away is changing the score of all things - talk about indulging...I would only add one thing to your list and that is this concern (which uses number 2 on your list as a jumping off point): injecting a different, subpar, foreign tone into the episodes/stories which alters and diminishes the power that the original, truly creative people infused into the show.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Real Deal, it may be to you, but I think those

    by superninja

    shows are a joke compared to TOS. Their special effects are nicer, but the characters and story are mostly dreck outside of a few outstanding episodes. Sorry! If you really want to improve Trek, how about making a new show that doesn't suck and embraces the spirit of the original series?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    "Reference" is not a verb.

    by 3 Bag Enema

    Stop it.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:32 p.m. CST

    NoHubris, of course, I could be wrong, but

    by superninja

    we are talking about Hollywood here. I find it hard to believe they won't change things and crap it up.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by Real Deal

    Thank you for proving my post about how silly the idea was. The fx don't need improving on those shows.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    fix the reverse image of Fett in Jabba's Palace...

    by lynxpro

    it still wasn't fixed in the ROTJ SE DVD release. Maybe it will be for the Blu-Ray release...or the HD version Cinemax will televise in October.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Dumb idea, but it will probaby generate some revenue

    by Rupee88

    No one thinks this is a cool idea except and extreme minority. But it will probably sell a few DVDs and make some profits, so why not?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    TNG needs similar treatment.

    by performingmonkey

    The effects in that are worse than the original Kirk series.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    and for the next project..

    by lynxpro

    Giving Classic *Doctor Who* and *Dark Shadows* revamped special effects... :)

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Rupee88

    by Real Deal

    Not from the sampling from this talkback. It clearly shows more people want it than not.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    OK Real Deal, points taken...

    by NoHubris

    ...but they are not using new technology to correct certain glitches/flaws. We're talking about a full blown F/X overhaul, which is a totally different animal, along with alterations to the score on top of that.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    NoHubris

    by Real Deal

    I have much faith in the Okudas. Either way it's happening but I think we'll all be much pleased with the results.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Which episode was it...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...where they went to an alien planet, but it was clearly just a picture of Earth flipped upside-down?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Real Deal: smell that?

    by superninja

    That's sarcasm.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Hey Superninja-

    by RenoNevada2000

    Re: "Reno is right". Thanks. Now could you explain that to my girlfriend? :)

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The effects in TNG are "realistic".

    by superninja

    Realism = uncreative. At least, that's the way it looks most of the time from my perspective! Give me TOS inventive camp any day.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Reno, a lot of people don't understand that

    by superninja

    TOS is genius. ;) Sorry about your girlfriend thinking you're wrong!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    biggsdarklighter

    by RenoNevada2000

    I think you may be misconstruing what I'm saying here. While I am very concerned with preserving pop-culture history (and strongly disagree with the whole "Lucas has a moral right to change his films" arguement), my stance here is more along the lines of "Just because you can do this, doesn't necessarily mean you should." Besides coming up with a new version to fleece fans with, what is the puropse? To make the shows look better in HD? As I asked before, what's wrong with taking the original optical elements and restoring those by digitally painting out dirt, etc.? And my position on this is not just from the standpoint of a fan of the original series. Hell, if they announced that the producers of GREASE, a movie I'm certainly not a fan of, were planning on redubbing Olivia Newton-John's character with an American accent and cutting out the few references to her being an Australian, I would still be one of the first to stand up and say it was a stupid idea.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 3 p.m. CST

    Love IT!!!

    by datachasm

    glad i didnt buy the overpriced TOS 1-3 DVD sets...

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Yes, they MUST fix the Klingons!!!!

    by mbeemer

    And while they're at it, they can change all the women's uniforms to the Mirror universes. Or at least Uhura's. (I really liked her in that...)

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    This is Satan's work

    by Mgmax

    That's all I have to say.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    HOLD EVERYTHING - HERE'S THE CLIP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by RobinP

    Curious, I went digging and found "The Doomsday Machine" clip. THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME. http://tinyurl.com/nhe2j Well, what're ya waitin' for ????

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Robin, I hope you're kidding, because

    by superninja

    the transition on the edits in that thing are bad.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Transitions & jump cuts

    by RobinP

    I agree...but that's what I found when I went in search of what others had seen. I figure it's a concept reel. All that aside - damn it's cool to see a more realistic looking Enterprise.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Now that it's really going to happen

    by Real Deal

    The nay sayers ( few in number )are starting to sound desperate.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Neat sounding idea, but....

    by Chief Joseph

    ...as has been mentioned by others, this sounds exactly what was done to Red Dwarf at that SUCKED. Especially the part about "FX on the cheap".

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST

    DOOMSDAY clips are NOT official!!!1!!

    by Anakin Whoopass

    There are two sets of these on youtube: one is a 1990s proposal that Paramount rejected and one is a 2003 fan project. Neither is what you're going to see from CBS/Paramount.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7 p.m. CST

    But The Campiness Is What Made It So Great!

    by LaserPants

    Aww man! Don't kill the camp! What the heckhole?!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    No wonder Paramount rejected the POC

    by Eaglet1138

    Looked horrible. The 2003 fan project looks quite good, though. I expect the new Trek to look like that, but better. The more I hear about this from CBS/Viacom/Paramount (can they go ahead and merge with some more media conglomerates?), the better it sounds.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST

    IT....looks..............FUCKING SWEET

    by smackfu

    I hope they do some filtering on the interior shots though, maybe mess with the gammas etc, so that there isn't a drastic contrast between vibrant exterior shots to faded out interior shots.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Maybe they'll give the Klingons ripply foreheads!

    by Hjermsted

    No wonder the price dropped on the dvd sets. Paramount is getting set to sell us the original series all over again.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Bring on Balance of Terror

    by yourvillainbobby

    Pretty much the only episode I'm looking forward to with updated effects. My all-time fav Trek episode and 2nd to only Wrath of Khan in terms of a strategic 1-on-1 space battle. On another note though, I really hope Nemesis didn't kill the Romulans for good as a viable villain. And it pains me to this day that they didn't do a "Balance of Terror"-esque episode between the D and a Warbird in TNG. A truly lost opportunity after the great re-introduction of the Romulans in TNG Season 1. Oh well... ship looks nice, but I saw it before in DS9's Tribbles. Nothing too new.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Bring it on, period!

    by AmbientOverdrive

    Having only come into Star Trek at the end of Voyager and throughout Enterprise, I long to see Star Trek at it's original splendor. While many people take aim at Enterprise for ending a franchise, I think it achieved its goal and got me hooked on the series, as it was intending to pull in younger audiences. I have seen a few of the older movies featuring the classic crew. Now I will be able to see the vision that started it all first in a dazzling new way? I'm not a true purist. I never bothered for that crap. How can you adhere to purism with anything? In many ways, the word is an oxymoron of what it means. As Mr. Spock would put it, illogical. But by all means, let's launch this ship once again!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST

    So biggsdarklighter

    by Orionsangels

    You're saying we're lucky alot of the directors of classic films like King Kong & Wizard of Oz, have since passed away, because then we might get special enhanced edtions and have to disown the originals? Like the way we were forced to disown Pluto. Damn you for being alive Lucas!

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 10:51 p.m. CST

    CGI NCC-1001 vs. Rubber Horta Monster

    by Tall_Boy

    Hmph, maybe if they CGI that Horta and 90% of the sets, I could buy it.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11 p.m. CST

    Paramount raped my childhood!!

    by ATARI

    Or aren't there any Star Wars whiners in the group of talkbackers?

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Collective ownership

    by biggsdarklighter

    Reno, why are you so concerned with "preserving pop-culture history"? Trust me, it's preserved! New releases of Trek or Star Wars with revised special effects won't make the millions of copies people already own -- or the very secure negatives and master tapes already in archives -- suddenly disappear. Why is it up to you or any other film geek to "preserve film history" anyway? More accurately, why is Paramount or George Lucas somehow morally REQUIRRED to supply geeks and "fans" with "preservation copies" of all their work (including all rough cuts, behind the scenes footage, audio commentaries and private bathroom conversations) for storage in their paneled basements?! There was a time when a studio released a film ONCE and that was it. Maybe, if the film was good enough, you'd see it on TV years or decades later. People didn't demand 16mm prints for their own personal storage facilities! Somehow in the last ten years "film preservation" has become synonymous with bitching online about personal video collections. And though you may "strongly disagree with the whole "Lucas has a moral right to change his films" arguement", he... DOES. They're his films and his story. Not the fans. Lucas has been altering his films in ways big and small since the original film's first release in '77. Did you spend the 1980's complaining how Lucas was destroying pop-culture history by revising the original film to say "Episode IV"? Neither did anyone else. As for Trek, Paramount is certainly doing this to make money and to jump start interest in the franchise in anticipation of Abrams new film. Is that "fleecing" fans? Not unless fans are so retarded that they can't let any new Trek product come along without opening their wallet. Given that these new versions are being broadcast for free in syndication, I fail to see how Paramount is fleecing anyone. Consumers have a choice to buy a product or not. I fully support your decision NOT to buy this product (assuming you weren't already getting it for free). You asked, "what's wrong with taking the original optical elements and restoring those by digitally painting out dirt, etc.?" Well, a digital restoration is still a revision -- just a revision you find acceptable. The artists didn't have the ability to "paint out dirt" back in the 60's. They couldn't digitally composite to remove matte lines. Why should their work be restored to a level that wasn't possible at the time if the goal is some sort of pop-culture "preservation" for purity sake? You wouldn't be preserving the original, you'd be preserving a digitally enhanced original -- albiet a less ambitious one than what CBS is doing. Again, what this complaining mostly comes down to is fans falsely believing they have some sort of collective ownership over the films and TV shows they love simply by virtue of their obsessiveness. When fans get bent out of shape (and Star Wars fans are the worst example of this) is when the real artists or owners assert their right to exploit their property as they choose. That's when fans REALLY get pissed because they are reminded of how truly powerless they are. And it's their own fault. They've invested their time, money and emotions in someone else's dreams and creativity rather than investing in their own.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Paramount raped me!

    by Orionsangels

    and the amish don't give a crap. They just told paramount to say sorry and that God will forgive them.

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    why? because the old FX look like COMPLETE ASS in HD

    by captain_sulu

    that's why - so shut yer holes

  • Aug. 31, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Orion

    by biggsdarklighter

    Your examples of King Kong or Oz are really apples and oranges. Different circumstances entirely. Actually, don't we count Jackson's Kong as a "special enhanced edition" seeing as he had to force his way into the original film's DVD as if he was a member of the original fucking production crew?! ;-) And I would correct your assertion that Lucas is forcing anyone to "disown" the originals. He's NEVER said that. HE may disown them (as is his right), but no one from Lucasfilm is going to break into your basement and take back your copies of the originals. I think he would prefer it if fans simply accepted his newer versions as "Star Wars", but maybe that's asking too much.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    You Dumb Whiny Fucks

    by SeedyAl

    None of you own Star Trek and it isn't art. It was a commercial venture. When it didn't prove cost effective it was canceled. Paramount owns it and has every right to fuck with it. You have the original "untampered" crap preserved so SHUT THE FUCK UP and go back to masturbating to Dax in the TOS miniskirt, which is paused on your DVD players as you read this. This sounds fun and there is nothing to lose for any of us. If you don't like the idea, YOU DON

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:28 a.m. CST

    I Want To See A Crossover w/ STAR WARS

    by LaserPants

    I want to see the Enterprise go through some time-space-continuum hoobajoo (like they do on every episode) and wind up in the STAR WARS universe. There could be a great episode where Kirk, Spock, and the gang land on Kashyyyk. Whilst there, Spock will fall madly illogically in love with a Wookiee named Roarrgh Oogachaka and will refuse to go back to the ship. This, in turn, will necessitate that Kirk and Spock have yet another homoerotic duel to the death where that great overwrought and dramatic Star Trek fightmusic plays. In the end, Spock will come to his senses and realize that he doesn't really love the wookiee, he's just really, really gay and likes big butch burly guys.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Ever Notice How They ALWAYS Break The Prime Directive?

    by LaserPants

    Pretty much the entire career of the Enterprise and all the other ships and crews is one long meddling with alien cultures affair; getting involved in their various wars, conflicts, mating rituals, and time-space contiuum muckety mucking hoobajoos. You'd think the Federation would give them a reprimand. Or maybe the Federation knows the Prime Directive is just bullshit political semantics they put out there to quiet dissent, when really they have no intentions of not constantly messing around with more or less every single new race, culture, creed, and technology they meet. I think its funny that nobody ever talks about this. They ALWAYS break the Prime Directive. Pretty much in every single episode.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Actually, LaserPants, I think it's kind of funny.

    by superninja

    The Federation is all about how they solved all their problems on Earth, came together, blah blah blah (talk about fantasy), only to find the same stuff going on in space. To me, it's just a framework about man's inability to escape his nature and doing the best you can with what you have. Remaining optimistic and filled with wonder, while being challenged by philosophies that wish to take this "freedom" from you. It's a magnifying glass on the good and the bad of Western civilization. That's why TNG screwed it up so bad by exchanging the Western in space concept for the UN in space snorefest.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Owning Trek is possible because of fans...

    by NoHubris

    ...who make a decision to see a movie or watch a television broadcast, SeedyAl. Fans are the ones who ultimately add commercial value to a film/TV property by filling the theater, tuning in, or buying DVDs to create box office, ratings, sales and the like...You are right, fans have no Deed of Trust on Trek, but they do invest in it with their support. Of course there are suckers "born every minute," but then there are educated consumers who are the economic engine of every successful entertainment "commercial venture" and they will be there as long as they get want they want. Fans of Trek are the latter. Should that fact be ignored, that same support for a film/show/media property can change into the kind of support that a noose gives a hanging man.

  • Sept. 1, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST

    OK, NoHubris

    by SeedyAl

    I understand what you're saying and you support it well. But I am also a Star Trek fan, and I want Paramount to experiment and revive this promising and beloved (to me) franchise. I grew up with the original series, but I am not a purist. Going back to the source is a good idea. To me, since the originals exist in many forms, there is no valid argument against this retrofitting. I believe most fans agree, and will turn out in large numbers to watch this. The people who resist it are indicative of the mindset that brought Star Trek down in the first place. James T. Kirk would be all over this idea, and Spock would consider it fascinating. I'm really looking forward to it. Who can possibly miss those terrible original effects? I certainly won't.

  • Sept. 2, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST

    Gorn

    by Yamato

    Disliked Enterprise Gorn. I would re-do the Gorn to look something like those lizard guys in Zarthura.

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