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UPDATED!! Hi, I'm Megatron!! You May Have Remembered Me (If You'd Seen Me)!!



UPDATE 11:50 PM CST USA

Merrick here...

Megatron images have been removed per request of Etienne, who provided the pics.

To preempt suspicious Talkbacks, it should be noted that AICN has not been contacted by Paramount, DreamWorks, Michael Bay, or anyone associated with the production.

We are removing the images solely to accommodate the source's request; it is AICN's long-standing policy to honor a source's request to remove any material they provide.

Awww, well...at least we still have those Bothan Burgers!





Merrick here…


Late last week, the world got a glimpse of “robot” designs from the forthcoming TRANSFORMERS movie. Optimus Prime, Starscream, Blackout, Scorponok (a name I can’t seem to spell correctly no matter how hard I try) and Bumblebee were all revealed.


CLICK HERE TO REVISIT THE MADNESS!!!


Notably missing from the leaked images was Megatron. Some people believed the Starscream image (seen HERE) was Megatron, mislabeled. This is not the case. The picture labeled Starscream is, in fact, Starscream.

THIS...is...Megatron!!!



!!!IMAGES REMOVED PER REQUEST OF SOURCE!!!



Hmmmm. Looks kind of like a Slayer from KRULL to me. Or, maybe a Colossus from SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS.

We should note that these images are identified as "Works in Progress".

Mammoth thanks go out to Etienne Navarre for sending these along! By utilizing AICN's newly developed Geek Cloak (what do you think Moriarty is doing in those labs, anyway?), Etienne and his network of brave cohorts were able to successfully evade heavily armed killbots, and a steroidal poodle named Skippy.

Nonetheless, many Bothans died to bring us this information. Which is aiight, 'cause now we can cook up some delicious Bothan Burgers! Mmmmmmm!




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  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    It's all right

    by ELGordo

    I was under the impression that it was suppoced to be a tank or something.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Looks like the shrike from hyperion.

    by whereAMeye

    Can't they just keep it old school and make it look like the classic 80's design? Or at least keep the design but put a different spin on it?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Oh, my!

    by Childe Roland

    He's very scary looking...but there really isn't much about him that identifies him as Megatron to me. You'd think they'd at least have tried to get the helmet close to the way it's looked in so many of his incarnations. If he's got Welker's voice, I suppose I can close my eyes and pretend...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Actually

    by ELGordo

    The Optimus Prime design came out better than I expected. Even though the hillbilly paint job is still there. I guess it's there to give the robot some other color than red.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    All wrong

    by talkbackgeek

    My childhood is not raped yet, but its being felt up.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST

    His mouth looks like a robotic sphincter...

    by The Guy Who Nods

    Not that I've ever seen a one before or anything.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Maybe the AVENGERS should be fighting THIS guy.

    by JDanielP

    I'm guessin' he'd be tuff in a bar-fight.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Looks like a mess

    by Lou Stools

    Why are you geeks so excited over this shit...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Looks cool, but not like Megatron.

    by Some Dude

    Why does it have to be so "busy"?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST

    him and prime

    by bigdrawz

    they better fight on top of hoover dam with lightsaxes and lances

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Next summers SUPERMAN RETURNS?

    by ABking

    Will Transformers (what is the budget anyway?) be next summers SUPERMAN RETURNS as far as box-office returns go? I fear it might be! Superman is gonna end with about 195 million domestic -- far from the 250 million Warners thought it would make. I think TRANSFORMERS can make it to 200 million, but we'll see...By the way, wasn't MEGATRON a GUN!!! WTF!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Well....

    by Terry_1978

    I was hoping they'd make the ones that had humanoid faces in the cartoon look more human, but I guess to an extent it wouldn't really make sense.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Bad bad bad design

    by aphextwin

    Feels very forced complicated. No focalpoint or appealing basic shape. Just a cluttered mess of unnecessary elements and shapes. Maybe it's something that came out of the Testuo: bodyhammer universe.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    ABking

    by PiratedTV

    "wasn't MEGATRON a GUN" ... and a tank, and a plane and a cannon and a dragon and a...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Ugly head. Needs to be refined.

    by acroyear77

    The body is also ugly. They could've done a better job..

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Jesus, not even an arm cannon?

    by Horseflesh

    I really don't wanna hear Welker's voice coming out of that... thing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:53 a.m. CST

    It's so funny

    by Jak0lantern01

    They said that the boxy design would have looked too old-Japanese giant robot. Now it looks like Power Rangers. Morons.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    STUPID

    by The Only Woj

    Not just the design, which is a HUGE departure from the original form. I understand the reasoning behind the general change in body forms with the Transformers ... but this is on par with making Spider-man wear green and orange metal armor. Making him look so "evil" just ... stupid. Urgh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    It's a "bitty and overcomplicated.

    by kingrobot

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    His mouth looks like a sideways vagina

    by jackinitraw

    Who knew Megatron was an inverted Chinese girl?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    I've got to do it

    by Lost Prophet

    GET THOSE MUTHAFUCKIN' METAL SNAKES OFF MY MUTHAFUCKIN' MEGATRON. That is uglier than an ugly chick with a poo on her head.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    ...not that I care. I'm too old for toys.

    by kingrobot

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    So Megatron is a robotic Ent?

    by Thumper2k1

    Robotic Saruman better watch out. I expected a little change, here and there. But this is too much. I have no interest in this movie anymore. I remember Bay saying that they had to be a fan of the show to work on this film. I think what he meant to say, they can't be a fan of the show to work on this flim. It's absolutley garbage.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    '"Gain" tremendous detail'???

    by veritasses

    Good Lord, how many more angles, protrusions, ornaments, crevices, spikes, and other crap detail can you possibly fit on that already way way waaaaaay too-busy design? Any they're gonna use something like that in action heavy, sequences? Haven't they heard of "less is more"? That's bad design with zero restraint. A great antagonist is created from his actions, not because he looks like he got chewed up by a junk yard shredder. And forget that it doesn't even "resemble" any varient of Megatron, it's just plain F'n Ugly. Really F'n Ugly. Boo. Double Boo.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    OK. Where is the fucking Fusion Cannon?

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Seriously. I'm lobbing my first complaint. You can't have a Megatron without an arm-mounted Fusion Cannon.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    At least give him the original Megatron head..

    by acroyear77

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Nice little robot cock....

    by Barney Hood

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Whiners! You're up!

    by googamooga

    "Waaaaaah!!! He looks nothing like the cartoon! Waaaaah!!! I'd prefer blocky, cartoony looking robots to the bad ass ones we are seeing!! Waaaah!! Will my testicles ever descend?!?" And so on, and so on....

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST

    You're kidding me

    by zbbrox

    That's vaguely cool, in its way, but how is it even remotely related to Megatron? What the fuck, man? Between this and Starscream, I'm really pissed off about the whole decepticon lineup.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST

    Whatever happened to TRON 2.0?

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Fuck Megatron. I wanna see Kevin Flynn knock boots with that Cindy Morgan chick!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST

    An Alien Robot Disguised As An Alien Jet?

    by flamingrunt

    So much for Robots in disguise.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10 a.m. CST

    why is this movie even called transformers?

    by jackfrost74

    oh yeah. to collect money from the fanbase. goddamn that megatron sucks. and yes, it looks exactly like i pictured the shrike from hyperion (except the shrike was supposed to have four arms). it doesn't matter if welker is the voice now, megatron doesn't even have a goddamn face. at least he's only in the last 10 minutes of the movie and has about five lines before sam (the human) kills him.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    That better be the Cybertronian form

    by talkbackgeek

    That better be the Cybertronian form.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    I don't care that he doesn't look like G1 Megatron

    by MrBoinfoint

    I just don't like the fact that he looks like chrome plated shit. It's a bad design. Too complex and pointy. Megatron doesn't need serrated edges to prove he's evil. His actions should speak for him. Unfortunately, early reviews of the script say he doesn't show up until the last 20 minutes, so he really doesn't have a chance to develop a character or show he's evil through his actions, so in typical Michael Bay image-over-substance form, he looks like spiky metal poo.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Piratedtv...

    by ABking

    Thanks! I always thought that he was only a GUN (guess I havn't watched the cartoons in a long time, ha)! I really hope this is the final version of MEGATRON! I want SPIELBERG to control BAY on this one...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    As of right now:

    by zbbrox

    The autobots, despite Prime's and Bumblebee's annoying vehicle forms, are actually doing okay. There are issues, but they could be much, much worse. They could be the Decepticons, who are being gang-raped.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    "A Steven SPILEBERG Production"

    by ABking

    I was expecting to see "A Steven Spielberg Production --In a Michael Bay Film" when that teaser came out. I wonder why SPILEBERG's name is no where to be seen? He probably doesn't want to over power Bay and make people think he directed this???

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Just out of curiosity

    by Lost Prophet

    what does he transform into? This takes the stupid realism arguments that have been used over the other designs out of the equation.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:09 a.m. CST

    I like it

    by Captain RawBeard

    for some strange reason... looks very alien - at leasts its better than transforming in a gun

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    I hate it.

    by Lost Prophet

    Alien jet? what sort of fucking disguise is that?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    No arm cannon = Flames on Prime = Nipples on Batman

    by Badger999

    That design stinks worse than that time Harry let that kid sit in a shit-filled diaper instead of missing a few minutes of "Hulk" to change him.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Riddle me this....

    by IAmLegolas

    The Transformers are supposed to be "robots in disguise", right? So how exactly is Megatron in disguise, on Earth, as an alien jet? LOSERS CAN'T EVEN GET THE BASIC CONCEPT RIGHT!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Joseph Merrick

    1) Re: Blackout. The image had been identified elsewhere as "Blackout", even though his little name card says otherwise. I went with what sources *said* he was rather than the card, because we've been told certain characters have been renamed/repurposed & I figured that's what happened here. Don't know for sure, just going on what's appearing elsewhere. No one's corrected it...at least not to my knowledge. 2) Re: the links. I fucked up the coding...looked fine in Firefox but not IE. Check it now, and thanks for calling it to my attention. 3) Krull. YES - another remake needing to happen. But only after we remake INFRA MAN!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    It also looks like he has a pen!s hanging out

    by veritasses

    At least we know that piece of crap is male.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Actually....

    by Captain RawBeard

    just thinking about it... why is he an alien jet? surely robots in disguise means... I am a robot and I am in disguise NOT I am a robot disguised an alien jet which is sure to attract a lot of attention my way - oopsie. I like the other designs but the alien jet is just wrong

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    F*CK MICHAEL BAY

    by TheJake

    This is Transformers in name only. GOD YOU SUCK! YOU REALLY REALLY FUCKIN SUCK!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Looks like an Evangelion

    by Ribbons

    I... I admire the work put into creating these characters, but I think I'm leaning towards the "too busy" verdict as well. It seems like the characters are covered in tiny little pieces left over from their transformation, and it's incredibly distracting. But they're being revised, apparently, and it could work better on-screen. We'll see.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Couldn't care less

    by Stollentroll

    I know, I shouldn't even BE in this talkback...but really: what could possibly be more pathetic than a Michael Bay movie about toy robots?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    On the picture of him standing looking all butch

    by Lost Prophet

    does it say "Final Version" in the red box? I have tried to expand it as I can't really make it out but it just becomes too distorted. If so, what a group of fools. if not, what can be done to save it short of starting again. One of you designers please explain to me what you would do to retrieve it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I soooo hope this is all just a joke.

    by Jak0lantern01

    You know, a prank. You know, like, so we can all feel really stupid with the amount of time we spent griping about every aspect of this movie only to be pleasantly surprised that it was all a grand prank on us and we're really going to get our beloved Transformers. Maybe? Please? Do I need to beg at this point? I feel so pathetic. :)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Looks ridiculous

    by deanamatronix

    Absolutely ridiculous. Fuck this movie

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Joseph Merrick

    It says "front elevation".

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Wow, I was looking forward to this...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...I was giving Bay a chance, y'know? I'm not one to moan before I've seen something in motion, but JESUS. This looks terrible. It just looks atrocious. And Stollentroll, you shouldn't even BE on this website if you're not interested in a movie about massive robots kicking seven shades of shit out of each other.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    My Ass Hurts...

    by TheMackenzie

    I havn't put together 'childhood' and 'raped' since I left the choir. What are they doing? Metallic-Ent is spot on. Bad Michael...no!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Monkeytron

    by Jak0lantern01

    With those long arms. Why don't we just cast the King Kong from the Japanese KK vs. Godzilla in this movie as the lead villain. No updates, that EXACT monkey suit. It would be just as well.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Thousands of fans cried out in horror and wept...

    by Squashua

    ...as their childhoods were taken by Michael Bay's design team.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Joining the moaners...

    by fox5200

    Up until now I was fine with all of the designs and generally liked the general direction of art dept. I understand the no "disappearing parts" or "magic size changing". Prime looks kick and still "looks" like the Prime I grew up with (even with flames). But this? What the fuck is this? Alien jet??? I just don't understand...why couldn't they just make him a normal jet and work out the arm cannon some how? The arm cannon is what makes Megatron - Megatron! This design looks like Super-Shredder from the last Turtles movie. LAME GUYS you can do way better.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Spielberg to blame too

    by talkbackgeek

    I stand by bay, the man can shoot cars and action. Its Steven spielberg that has to take some more blame. At least address the fans. I am still hoping that this is all a big mis understanding and they have something up their sleeves.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Um..

    by A G

    Ok this is my first gripe with this film. I think the rest of the designs are fine and will look cool on film but um.....this one.....uh....come on man. This looks like a Dr Who design that children were sending into Blue Peter a couple of months ago. Seriously what the hell ?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:29 a.m. CST

    LOL!

    by Jak0lantern01

    I can only have so much outrage over this because I knew it was coming, especially after seeing Starscream. Wow. I'd love to know how they're getting these pics. At least the core fans know to skip this movie. Total abomination. Singer would have gotten less flack if made Supe's cape pink.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:29 a.m. CST

    12,089.

    by Truth0ne

    The number of people killed while trying to transform this action figure. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    It may not look great, but it is Cool news!

    by PaddyIrishman

    More please.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    An ALIEN JET (!) as a DISGUISE???

    by McGsStepson

    WTF. At this point why call it TRANSFORMERS? Is this even a ROBOT IN DISGUISE!?! Who cares about the designs when they are not even making a slight nod to the original series G1 or G100. Sure this Megatron design is kind of cool but really this and may of the other Decepticons have nothing to do with the TF universe other than name.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Why...

    by deanamatronix

    ... did they make his mouth look like an arse hole?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Cheers Merrick

    by Lost Prophet

    That was bothering me. It's still horrid.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST

    It Says Final Version Approved By Micheal Bay And

    by flamingrunt

    Jeff Bann. So doesnt Steven Spielberg, the executive producer have final approval? What with him being micheal bays boss and all?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    WAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by googamooga

    Good god, what a bunch of crybabies. Your collective disgust and disappointment would be a lot more believable if I didn't know that you'll all be in line on opening day.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    "Metallic-Ent" - Good one, TheMackenzie

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Is it just me or does Megs look like a Guyver?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Liberties is on thing...

    by Transmet

    but this thing looks nothing like megatron. I don't mind changes to stuff to make them work on the screen but this looks terrible. The scarecrow in Batman Begins, that was a change that worked. This is just atrocious

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Bay's gonna fuck it up.

    by Cameron1

    It'll get some nostalgia based love no doubt, but it's gonna be shit.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    No, the other designs ARE bad

    by Jak0lantern01

    They just don't look quite as bad anymore after seeing Megatron. Don't let this turn into a Don Murphy apologist site. All the designs are wrong, and that's that. Plain and simple. I'll save my money next summer. Maybe see Spidey 2X instead.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I LOVE THIS..........

    by tile_mcgillus

    This is exactly how I always pictured it. I mean to a tee...wait a minute..these are the pictures of Michael Bay's asshole right? Aww man :( Michael Bay I hope you get Herpes Simplex B!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:35 a.m. CST

    "Where is his arm cannon?" You ask?

    by googamooga

    His arm probably transforms into a cannon, like the TX from Terminator 3. Cripes, you people have NO imagination.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    what the fuck is that?

    by blackthought

    isn't megatron supposed to look like megatron...just saying.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    That's funny, someone just yesterday

    by Jak0lantern01

    wished the gout upon Bay. Anyone else so upset with him right now?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Theres no way they can make accurate transforming toys

    by Shermdawg

    from these designs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:38 a.m. CST

    MERRICK, why hasn't AICN commented on the script???

    by Shermdawg

    We want to know what Harry and co. think.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:40 a.m. CST

    They won't comment on the script

    by Jak0lantern01

    They've in all likelyhood been told to keep their traps shut or they won't get to cover the movie. Can you blame them? Even if the movie looks movie like Giant Super Ninja Robot From Planet X?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:45 a.m. CST

    i hate to be the one to point this out

    by DangerPete

    but the original transformers cartoons were created to sell toys. Obviously money can't be made unless they can design new toys for a new generation of kids who will no doubt be upset when they 're-imagine' the franchise again in twenty years. in theory you could go to toy stores and request managers log formal complaints and vows not to purchase any new transformer toy unless design changes are made. they'd be concerned over tie-in money and proximity increased business for other items. at the very least it might cause those in charge to stop pretending they know what they are doing with the franchise and listen to at least one fan or maybe they'll reveal they've been fibbing all along and these won't be a final design. for the record i never much cared for transformers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:46 a.m. CST

    I dont like it one bit

    by Foxman

    Looks awful messed up piece of shite. Micheal Bay is a twat

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST

    OH MY GOD!

    by Flux_brown

    thats it! i'm joining the haters....the healthy optimist in me has died when i saw this picture!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay doesn't hate US, he hates you.

    by googamooga

    "You" being all the rabid, whining, mother's basement dwelling, super fanboys who'd rather see cartoon-y, blocky, crappy looking robots, than a kick ass sci-fi action flick. You want the blocky robots? Guess what? Your movie has already been made, back in 1984. Now shut up and let the rest of us enjoy this one.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    whereAMeye

    by StovetopStuffin'

    I thought the same thing. Looks like someone saw the cover of Fall of Hyperion and ripped it off. I'd rather see Megatron look more like the 80's version. Make him a big ass anti aircraft gun or something.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    just a quick thought

    by DangerPete

    any chance on seeing transforming dc-10 plane's? from space. yeah, like dc-10's coming from space is even remotely believable

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Sigh......

    by Pogue__Mahone

    Plant me firmly in the disappointed camp. I, too, was stoked about this movie... but with all these characters looking less and less than the Transformers we know it's becoming a movie called 'Transformers' in name only! I agree with everyone - busy, cluttered designs. I realize they probably wanna go with a more 'organic machine' vibe but that Megatron looks simply atrocious!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    The new Transformers

    by pandamaster83

    Gives "ass to mouth" a whole new meaning.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    This flick just Jumped The Sharkticon

    by Horseflesh

    Sorry, I had to say it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    he looks like a big pile of silver poo

    by bluebottle

    my dog's crapped stuff that looks like that... except it wasn't silver.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:52 a.m. CST

    OK, laugh at the fanboi outrage if you will..

    by Lemming

    But how the fuck is Megatron going to transform into anything looking like that re: the toy? Remember folks! MERCHANDOISING! Where the *real* money from the movie is made!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Bay doesn't care

    by Jak0lantern01

    He's sitting up there in his L.A. office with that smug look on his face thinking he has a goldmine on his hands. "I know this movie is going to be a hit, I setup the cameras myself." Anyway, he should really revisit Godzilla '98, he is making the same exact mistake, only on a bigger budget. C'mon, Bay, it's really not that hard to do it right.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST

    You can see his penis

    by Father Mulcahy

    Are they going to put pants on him?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST

    "How will the toys transform?" you ask?

    by googamooga

    My feelings? They will have super detailed versions of robots that WON'T transform, and then there will be more simplified versions (for the young'uns) that will transform.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    WTF?!??!?!?!?

    by hillingdon

    I mean seriously what the fuck is that?!?? What happened to the G1 gun.. Shit, I would even been happy with the tank.... This does not bode well...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    No worries, flux_brown

    by moondoggy2u

    we've had a bunch of lawn chairs set up for you and every other poor soul who had their hearts set on this latest Baybortion. However, if you are looking for optimism, that megatron design could be PRE robots in disguise mode. In fact, it looks like all the transformers are t-1000 rejects with little shreds of vehicle glued onto them so maybe this is cybertronian megatron. Still, all the designs do look pretty crappy--wayyyyyy too busy, no focal points, and some serious anatomical problems. Hell, they gave Prime Chimp feet, for crying out loud. Oh well, back to my lesson plans...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:59 a.m. CST

    Saved...

    by Brendon

    ...these pics have a ahbit of being "removed". So I'll put them up later at film ick (filmick.blogspot.com) to save them from vanishing completely - like I did with the Optimus Prime truck, first look at Bumblebee, etc;

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    It doesn't look good to me

    by FordPerfect

    It doesn't remind me of the old show or the movie, it looks like something from the island.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Mix of THE GUYVER and a Retarded EVANGELION

    by ZombieSolutions

    Wow. That looks terrible. Oh well. Hey, you guys wanted this piece of shit so badly. Now you can fully indulge in your MARKET PROGRAMMED NOSTALGIA by transforming into HyperMega FullOn SuperGeek ConsumerPathology Mode ("We 'Hate'! We Buy! We Dumb! Thank you Lord HASBRO!!!") and fight the man by paying his bills. You can gleefully whine and moan your way through several screenings of your FAVORITE TOY COMMERCIAL on opening day (and 6 or 7 thousands times more later), then buying multiple copies of the DVD (some to watch, others to lock awaty safely in a hermetically sealed bag), all the while bitching, grousing, moaning and groaning; and making sure there are several sequels. TRANSFORM, ROLL OUT, AND BUY MORE SHIT!!! Yay! The ConsumerDirective has been fulfilled!!! Marketing has finally triumphed over the imagination! Yay!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Hahaha: Father Mulcahy

    by pandamaster83

    When you said that, I immediately pictured Death in Family Guy when they put pants on him. Someone with photoshop skills please make it so.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Horseflesh - Sharkticon

    by sunset

    Funniest thing I've read on this site all year. =)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Too busy looking, but we'll see.

    by Kraken

    I mean, did Todd McFarlane design these things? They look like tangles of metal with heads on top. They need to have more of the vehicle mode represented. But then again, I didn't like the design of the new Begins Batmobile when I first saw it online, but when I saw it in action, I loved it. I hope the Transformers are the same way, and truly are "more than meets the eye" than what's in these pictures.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Micheal Bay rapes your childhood...

    by wash

    ...while I laugh! HAHA

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    This thing looks like Macaca!

    by brokebackcowboy

    I would never give this toy to a child - that would be construed as endangerment.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    A Wasted Opportunity

    by eickhry

    Why oh why? Is it just me or are the original character designs from the tv show 100 times better than these prototypes. I understand the need for updating, but can't you simply tweak the originals. I can't even make out Megatron's face for god sakes.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    WTF!?

    by ShawnT

    Does he transform into a tattoo? What an abortion piece of shit!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Too soon...

    by BertramLaughs

    ...to spoil all my expectations. Alien jet FFS? Bay is a chiselling twatter. Nuff said.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Am I the only one who thinks that this looks cool?

    by DerLanghaarige

    Or am I just the only one who dares to really say, what he thinks? Yes, I know, you must hate everything on the internet, but I like the design!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Is it time to just throw in the towel

    by Jak0lantern01

    and just figure it's one less summer movie to waste our money on? Major, major disappointment. As was said in an earlier post, we 20 and thirty-somethings that grew up with the classics are the ones with the money in our pockets. I plan on keeping mine. That also eliminates these individual's families that would be going, also. But the fans don't really matter. Heck, at least they gave us Cullen, right? Right?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    I'll believe it when I see it in the movie

    by jimmy_009

    Doesn't look very professional to me

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST

    This is poor,

    by Lost Prophet

    I posted this in the other thread but I think it is even more relevant here. Why are they doing this. I am massively confused. Basically, nobody is deluding themselves that fanboy feeling will either make or break a massive production like this one, but many people here have fond memories of the G1 toys/ cartoon etc. The people here visit the cinema on multiple occasions (one loser said he went to Stalkerman 20x). If the hardcore fans have a negative reaction they may see it once, but no more. This, therefore, eliminates a huge potential stream of revenue. Now, surely Bay and co are trying to be as profitable as possible, so why are they eliiminating potential profit. These flaws are not exactly hard to fix. Which brings me to the point: Are they incompetent or arrogant? as these are the only two feasible explanations- either so incompetent that they are going to fuck up a la Godzilla, despite every chance to avoid it. Or so arrogant that they simply don't care, they believe that their vision will convert us all (I am not massively invested in this- but that Geiger inspired mess is simply not megatron) , and if not then we can all fuck off. so, Mr. Bay, Which is it?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Pre-Earth Megatron ?

    by Lupe101

    Just a thought but as far as I'm aware all the transformers had pre-crashing / landing on earth forms which originated on Cybertron. The probe the autobots landed ( crashed ? ) in decided their forms should blend in with Earth vehicals. This "alien Jet" design could easily represent the pre-earth Megatron, before he adopted a form more fitting to the situation. It would explain both the alien Jet, the radically different design of him vs the others we've seen and fit in with a theme that was prevelant in TF history.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    No, DerLanghaarige, you're not the only one...

    by googamooga

    But us sane people are too often drowned out by the incessant bitching and moaning from the whiney, never satisfied, fanBOIs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    What the hell is that? It looks like... chrome vomit.

    by robogeek.com

    And just because I can't possibly say it enough... FLAMES ON OPTIMUS = NIPPLES ON BATMAN. Fire up the render farm and get rid of them.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Bay = Arrogant

    by Jak0lantern01

    Designers = Incompetant. Since Bay hired them, his arrogance forces him to accept their incompetance.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    good lord.....

    by BLWiseass

    In looking at all of these designs of the transformers, (and no i haven't read each of the 3,000,045 talk back comments) but does anyone else think that sentient robots might want to have more external armor protecting their vitals, you know, like the designs from the 80's cartoon? I don't understand where all of Prime and Bumblebee's external sheet metal disappears to when they transform to robot mode. Megatron looks menacing, but he sure as hell doesn't look like Megatron. He needs the fusion cannon.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    All the Decepticons look like porcupines...

    by Reynard Muldrake

    I'm with everyone says that the eye travels all over the place...hopefully if they add some color it will come together some -b ut as cool as it looks (Predator meets Doomsday meets...), it doesn't look jack like Megatron. As long as all the voices are the exact same it might save some face somewhat.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is that?

    by The Equalizer

    I was expecting a cool looking grey robot with a metal mullet who transforms into a fucking big gun. What do I get? A Silver Swamp Thing. Bunch of cunts.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Hell yeah! These Evangelion designs look sweet!

    by theoneofblood

    Man this movie is going to kick so much ass! They've perfectly captured the look of Unit One I can't wai- Hey hold on, WHAT?!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Tranformers will likely do shit at the box office

    by HERCULESisaPUSSY

    You 80's babies will rush to see it, but that's about it. Realize that nobody but children raised on Muppet Babies gives a shit about this toy commercial called Transformers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    To all you jackasses flipping out...

    by Toxic Frog

    Notice the text in the bottom right of the first image? What's it say? Right there under 'Status': "WORK IN PROGRESS".

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    ILM ANIMATORS

    by BRUTICUS

    ILM ANIMATORS, when animating this character, PLEASE ATLEAST POSE HIM LIKE THE MEGATRON WE REMEMBER. The pose in this image is NOTHING like Megatron. Megatrons legs NEARLY bend backwards. He has an arrogant and apathetic posture.... in this image he appears to be threatening. Threatening IS NOT MEGATRON by default.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I wanted it to look more like Robot Jox

    by Father Mulcahy

    stop motion would have been awesome. Seriously, though. Someone put pants on this guy. I don't need to see 'Little Megatron' first thing in the morning.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    At this point I'd rather have this for 2 hours...

    by Horseflesh

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bsw6LzWbpFQ

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    FUCK YOU SPEILBERG, BAY, MURPHY

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    And any other faggot that approves of this shit!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Anchorite

    by brokebackcowboy

    I'm sure George Allen has tried sticking this thing in his poopshoot. Now's he's got a shredded bunghole ... no more Macaca for him!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    TOXIC FROG

    by BRUTICUS

    Michael Bays gopher has confirmed this to be "the one they are going with"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Notice in the bottom of the final picture...

    by Reynard Muldrake

    It says "Final Version Approved By...Michael Bay and some other guy (prob. a producer)" with checkboxes next to each name and nothing in 'em. Perhaps (Dear Lord I hope) these are just endoskeleton prototypes like someone said (Work in Progress) and they'll cover him with all the necessary body armor. This is just what he looks like in the shower.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    YOU HAVE ALL BEEN PUNK'D!

    by aphextwin

    Seriously, Michael Bay is a genious when it comes to highly elaborate pranks, with thanks to Steven Spielberg who has initiated the brilliant idea

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Let's hope so

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Don't you think:

    by Alfeetoe

    If every other picture has been an Earth form (truck, helicopter, scorpion), that they would continue with the post-crash forms? It makes no sense to rationalize this as a Cybertron version, considering all of the other themed pictures of toy prototypes and whatnot are clearly the Earth versions. Bay is a fucking hack, admit it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    "Giant Super Ninja Robot From Planet X"

    by finky089

    would be better than the way this movie is turning out. Jesus, just when you think you've seen every bad thing this production had to offer....

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Don't you think it is interesting that

    by Lost Prophet

    Bay apologist the All Seeing Eye (or Don Murphy as Yackbacker christened him) has gone bloody quiet now that abortion has appeared. I still think it is inspired by H R Geiger. Which is a shit choice, as he does more alien organic stuff and Transformers are GIANT ROBOTS

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Is he a fucking CHANDELIER?

    by iamghetto

    Holy fuck. What the fuck is going wrong here. That looks like some fucked up McFarlance Mech-Spawn toy. Geezus titty fucking...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    To all the various comic book fans...

    by Killah_Mate

    ...you see how good you've got it? I remember some pussies whining in Spider-man talkbacks about stupid shit like "Oh, the symbol on Venom's [awesomely realized] costume is too small! Sam Raimi has raped my childhood!" Not to mention the greatest of all anal, stupid fanboy complaints: "Supes' costume looks gay!" No shit, a guy with his underwear on the outside of his tights looks gay? Now shut the fuck up and look at these poor fuckers who actully get to watch their beloved franchise circle the drain. Puts things in perspective, doesn't it?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Yes, that was MY title idea

    by Jak0lantern01

    :) see, you don't have to be a Hollywood bigwig to get things right

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST

    transforming into George Allen

    by finky089

    ...well, it IS "evil", right?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Fuck You TWATS

    by Buddha Prime

    I don't live in a fucking basement. I make good money, have a great house in a great area in So Cal. Beautiful wife and kids. I grew up with Transformers though, and Optimus Prime was my childhood hero. I bought the DVD sets of the cartoon, and my daughter loves them...LOVES THEM. Sings the song, roots for the Autobots. Actually brings a tear to my eye. She won't even recognize these atrocities. I don't want to to explain that this is the "New Megatron" or this is the new "Optimus." I am actually feeling rage building inside me towards this movie, that I was so fucking excited about. I also thought it would be great with Bay. The action would be kick ass, and Spielberg would give the movie the integrated an d heart that defined charecters like Prime. God this really sucks. Its worse then the Bat nipples. Its worse then if Superman sucked Jimmy's cock after some beers. This actually really hurts me to see this unfolding so wrong. So fucking wrong. And fuck you to those who weren't fans and want to degrade those of us that are. We aren't losers and shit...we are fans. You fucks aren't fans of something? Please Spielberg (Mr. "I used to sneak into toy stores and buy Transformers) and Mike Bay. Really think about what you are doing. I know the absence of me buying a ticket doesn't mean shit. I didn't buy one for Batman and Robin, because I was already fed up with the stupid shit treatment of Batman. I did go a couple times to Batman Begins. As it stands now, I won't be going to this either, because it will hurt me deeply to see something that so fly in the face of what made Transformers so great. They were a complete package. Please don't destroy something beautiful. I don't feel the heart or the fun from anything I am seeing from this...except Primes real voice being used. Fuck you if you don't get it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Ive read the script

    by tile_mcgillus

    That is Megatron's one and only form. He never scans anything to disguise himself. He just breaks outta ice and goes after the... get ready ...ENERGON CUBE. But dont worry he is only in the last 10 pages.........

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Oh...

    by blackwood

    I'm starting to wish the robots looked more like, you know, robots. Still, they appear giant, so that's half the battle (the other half is KNOWING!)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Lost Prophet

    well put. i actually think it is arrogance. It's not that they don't get it, it is that they don't care. They are so confident that their "artistic wank vision" is superior to every fond childhood memory that people have that we can all just fuck off if we don't get it. And how dare we limit them to much admired, beloved, iconic designs? We clearly do not recognise their automatic superiority- and as we lack this faculty our opinion is rendered meaningless.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Explaining the unexplainable

    by FearlessJay

    I think the design is fairly menacing, but it doesn't match with the known mythos very well. The only thing I can conclude is that this Megatron is so egotistical, he doesn't feel the need to blend in. In fact, he doesn't come out unless it's to battle. Essentially, he keeps his original form because that is who he is and feels no need to lower himself. That's the theory anyway. Still, would have loved to have seen an arm cannon though. Who knows, maybe (like someone else mentioned) this is just his Cybertronian form pre-Earth.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:36 a.m. CST

    about the alien jet thang

    by LV

    yeah hes frozen in ice on earth in the film and/or feels himslef to be too superiror to take on an earth form and impurify his cybertronian form...or sumthing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:37 a.m. CST

    lol YO JOE!!

    by DigitalDong

    Yes... knowing is half the battle, and so far all signs post to "this movies is gonna suck hard". Decepticons...RETREAT!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:37 a.m. CST

    busy busy busy

    by cabbageheat

    dang. i like the design, but this doesn't say Megatron to me. It is almost too detailed, and crucially missing an iconic piece, namely his arm cannon. in a way, it is overkill, just too much detail, and he doesn't "feel" like a transformer anymore, just some alien random robot. if they are going to look nothing like the comics or cartoon series, or the previous animated movie, then what exactly is this movie about?? Is it Transformers. . . or alien robots invading earth. It is a great design, but doesn't feel or resemble the real Megatron in any way shape or form. too bad

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Throw Dreamworks Down The Well

    by Quiet Destroyer

    ...so my childhood can be free! I've been checking AICN.com since early 98, its part of my daily web ritual. In all of that time I have never been inspired to post a comment, mainly due to the fact that I would be reiterating what is already being said. But when I saw this image I had to. I clicked the link in anticipation of something great. Instead, I heard a loud CLUNK and felt a sharp pain in my groin as the visual equivalent of slamming my dick in a car door rendered itself in my browser window. This is horrible. As designers and artists you have painted yourself into a corner with your over-thinking and re-invention of wheels that were perfect to begin with. Why? Coke? Depression? Who thought this was a good idea? I hate to get Spartacus on this, but if the final renderings of the Transformers continue along these lines I will not endorse this movie in any way, shape, or form aside from slander. Just when I thought Spielberg had redeemed himself a bit with Munich I see this. Dogshit. Pure. Dog. Shit.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    okay wow that looks awful, regardless of what plot line

    by crayotic

    Would rather have had Galvitron if they were gonna go this nuts

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    by Buddha Prime

    This is poor, by Lost Prophet really nails it. I am really bumming about this. It is disappointing, It saddens me as a fan. I hope this is wrong info and they really aren't fucking about Transformers as bad as it it seems. Is the script really bad? IS megatron really only in the last 10 minutes and killed by a human? God...what are they doing? My list of what seems so fucked up (from what I am seeing and hearing) is getting really long...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    His head looks like doomsday...

    by bluelagoon

    What a fucking travesty this is, it just keeps getting worse and worse.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    HOWEVER...

    by Killah_Mate

    I think I could buy a combination of theories: this could be his Cybertron, "pre-crash" form. Now, why would they publish a pre-crash design? To fool the fans! Those other designs look real enough; Bay couldn't stop them from leaking out, so now he's trying to at least keep his main villain under wraps. To make it work, he'd have to lie only very little - this IS Megatron, only PRE-CRASH. Voila - public fooled, main villain (in his Earth form, anyway) remains secret.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Megs is a metallic ROSE?!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Looks like a fucking flower. Maybe it'll look different in motion, but talk about a massive departure. No matter what he transformed into, Megs always had an arm cannon. Maybe it's just not in the photo. Maybe I've convinced myself to write too many maybe's. Now Megs is the fucking tree of life in Disney's animal kingdom. Can almost hear Welker now. "Decepticons! ...NATAZU!!"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Hey, KILLAH--how's the surfing in denial? Water fine??

    by moondoggy2u

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    It's A Movie About Giant Robots...

    by casinoskunk

    Who cares if it looks like a cartoon or not. there are going to be Giant Ass Robots Fighting and changing into stuff. What more do you guys want?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Megatron in "Cybertron" form

    by finky089

    I might have missed it if someone brought this up already, but based on what I remember from skimming through the script a few nights ago, I think it makes sense that Megatron would still be in his "Cybertron jet" form instead of an "earthly-disguise". In the script, he's been frozen in ice forever, presumably right after his arrival on earth looking for the Enegeron Cube. There was no need to change his guise when he first got to earth. Then he froze. And isn't "thawed" until late in the movie. And by then all hell has broken loose and none of the Decepticons are really trying to "hide" anymore, so why bother to change to somethign non-alien? But why get hung up on what he transforms into when as a robot, he HAS NO CANNON. I could at least find that aspect of such a shitty design redeeming if he still had a huge frickin cannon. But this design looks like UTTER SHITE. Maybe he should see a Megatron toy from the 80's somewhere in the film and transform his ass into that?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    nice concepts, but...

    by dopepope

    unless these are what they look like BEFORE they show up on the planet and reconstitute their mecha with earthly guises, this is all wrong. He looks absolutely nothing like Megatron. They've seemed to abandon every aspect of what Megatron looked like completely, replacing it with a generic, highly detailed, well rendered, 'whatever'. I'm a huge fan of concept art however, and love the work. I see remnaints of Yasushi Nirasawa style in there. That's one movie villian going the bland route. The others look pretty good tho. I actually like the Optimus. I'd have kept him a bit more first gen cartoon shape, but the leaner OP looks alright.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    googamooga is Bay's dirty starfish...

    by NightArrows

    ...because having a smashed asshole for a face is the only way that cocksmoking apologist could defend this rat shit design. If you think this design "rocks", that's cool with those of us who don't, as long as you know you are a goat fisting shit eater. Go off somewhere and die and let those of us with an actual sense of design aesthetics hate the shit wipe that is Megatron. Better yet, go get "Stop your bitching, at least we are getting ________" and let people fill in the blank with erasable marker. My suggestion "fucked in the ass" or "shit drippings" etc. etc.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Haven't you realized it yet? HOLLYWOOD SUCKS!!!

    by Shermdawg

    Why do we waste our time?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The wheels came off Speilberg years ago

    by Lost Prophet

    I know this is controversial. The quality of the output of the man has been steadily declining for a long time. Before anyone explodes at me, I would actually argue that munich was a high point in an otherwise downward spiral of shit. Catch me if you can, the terminal, war of the worlds, Minority Report, AI (which was dreadful) represent an astonishing output in mediocrity. Before Munich, his last unquestionably great film was Schindlers List. But before that? Jurassic Park, Hook? not good. To expect Speilberg to stop Bay anally panneling transformers is to expect George W Bush to find Papua New Guinea on an atlas. It may happen, but I wouldn't count on it. I am not bashing Speilberg for the sake of it, as I argued elsewhere (talking about Friedkin) the man is still the man, but for every Munich he makes we get 3 sub par offerings.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:48 a.m. CST

    now that I've posted, i see that others

    by finky089

    have already addressed the point whiel I was typing. Still, this design is perhaps the worst of all that have been seen so far.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    moondoggy2u

    by Killah_Mate

    Hey, give me a break - I'm not even remotely a Transformers fan. I'm just being stupidly optimistic. It's a way of life.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Holy shit...

    by Roybertito

    No, seriously, I don't care how much they changed it, I officially like where they're going. Think about it. The new series changed them, and none of you bitched about it on here, but the changes on the new series are MUCH worse than the movie's changes will EVER be. I mean, the new series are HORRIBLE, and we ALL know that the movie is going to be BETTER then them, if not just for the presence of Peter Cullen. NOW THEN... why do I like the changes? It's like f*cking Evangalion. Plus Transformers. THEY LOOK.... LIKE.... EVAS!!!!! MEGATRON LOOKS LIKE A MOTHER F*CKING EVA, AND THIS IS THE CLOSEST WE'LL COME TO SEEING A LIVE-ACTION EVA MOVIE BEING DONE AND OUT IN THEATURES WITHIN 5 YEARS! EVANGALION + TRANSFORMERS = GEEK POP.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    killah--dont take it personally.

    by moondoggy2u

    I was just kidding with you. Believe me, I'm in the same boat you are--i'm praying that this is pre earth megatron. Even so, I still think the designs are pretty bad.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Does he turn into...

    by NoLaw4000

    ...a pile of crap? That is clever! Nobody will notice that in a Michael Bay movie!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    What the fuck is that?

    by messi

    that looks.........ridiculous. Next Summers Superman Returns? maybe. Except Michael Bay isn't a good director, Singer just screwed up, Michael Bay IS a screw up. You know what looking at this pic i'm OFFENDED. I don't know what the fuck Hasbro is thinking.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Hey Moondoggy

    by Lost Prophet

    you've been away for ages? So, not a fan of Michael Bay, then?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    i hope

    by OneintenMan

    the thundercats designs are better than this. they are making thundercats aren't they? no? shit.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    fucking inexcusable!!!

    by la_sith

    Oh, believe me....I never expected this to be GOOD. I am not crying in my Boo Berry. But JESUS-H-FUCKING-CHRISTMAS! This looks like Evil Ash on steriods. Grade: F. Good job, Bay! LOL

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    I don't even know what to say. SIMPLIFY MAN!!!SIMPLIFY

    by modlight

    I have been a big defender and fan of Bay, and this movie, but now that these images are out I'm getting really nervous. What made transformers cool was that you could tell that they were a car or truck when they were in Robot form. People loved the designs, thats why we played with them and not Go-Bots. Bay, you are making a movie about robots that transform, you are not making a Transformers movie. IT's why people got so excited at that blue Optimus fan video a while ago. We want to see windows on a chest, headlights on shoulders. Not Metal spikes everywhere. Go sell these to Dethklok.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Howdy back, Lost Prophet

    by moondoggy2u

    Yeah, school is soon to be back in session and I've been attacking my lesson planner for the past couple of weeks, to say nothing of a recent family vacation. As far as Bay is concerned, I guess I wasn't as subtle as I thought, huh? ;)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    moondoggy2u

    by Killah_Mate

    No offense taken. Yeah, the whole "pre-Earth" theory isn't very likely, but it's always nice to hope. Like I said, I'm not really a Transformers fan, so I'm here more in a moral support capacity. I have great hoping skills, and can hope with the best of them!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Legendary Axe II

    by Darth Thoth

    Reminds me of the bad guy leader in that old Turbo-Grafx 16 game. I finally beat that game a few years back.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    What you get after your dog eats tinsel off the tree

    by Immortal_Fish

    "I'll be happy as long as they get Cullen to voice Prime." Well? Are ya?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    there is no point posting here complaining about this

    by Lost Prophet

    It really is rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Fuck this, I'm off to the pub.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Bitching about the bitchers ...

    by squidman

    Spiderman geeks got what they wanted in a costume/character-design, and everyone went home happy (for the most part, there were some serious debates about raised webbing, etc., etc.) But, what if back in 2002, Spiderman was inexplicably cast as a 300 lb. Chinese woman and the costume had antennae? I do believe that the Spidey fans would have had a problem with it. I'm sorry, but THAT IS HOW FAR THEY ARE STRAYING WITH THESE DESIGNS! So, why are the Transformers fans being chastised for finding fault in this? I don't expect them to look EXACTLY like the old-school designs, but for God's sake ... SOMETHING for the fans would be nice. Sheesh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    GONE!

    by bluelagoon

    Thank fuck for that!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The Eye In The Teaser Poster Is Obviously Megatrons

    by flamingrunt

    Blue iris etc. Im guessing this is the only form he appears in

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:05 p.m. CST

    All the pics so far in one place

    by all your base

    http://tinyurl.com/kc5y5

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    you hear that?

    by Flux_brown

    thats the sound of my heart breaking...nnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Somewhere a Render Farm looked at that and shudderd

    by modlight

    I'm still blown away. Can you imagine how they managed to find someone who is probably a 30 year old Designer who is that talented at Maya and photoshop who somehow either A: Never grew up watching Transformers, or worse B: has the ego/hubris to toss out old designs and say, "Eff that, I know better."

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Too bad they can't remove the image from my head

    by MrBoinfoint

    That'll take a bottle of vodka and some Percocet. Taking a look at the link to the horrible Starscream design above, I noticed that the toy prototype for Incinerator/Blackout is greatly simplified, with a lot of the wierd pointy bits removed or molded into the form. Guess what? IT LOOKS MUCH BETTER! If only they could get rid of Starscream's chicken legs and gun arms, just by adding hand or something, it would go so much farther to making the designs acceptable. But it seems that, just like Blackout, Starscream's movie design will be even MORE complicated than the toy. Too bad.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Everyone chill...

    by PwnedByStallone

    I'm with you guys but everyone just take a stress pill. I am not convinced that all these photos are fake. No one, not even Michael Bay, is this stupid. I mena these designs are so atrocious that they cannot be real. I'm convinced. This is all a hoax by Kevin Smith or a rival studio or something. It's hard enough for ILM to animate giant robots. do you think they would attempt designs like these with so much extraneous detail?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Wow, NightArrows, lot of anger there...

    by googamooga

    I take it yours haven't descended yet, eh?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    I mean I AM convinced they are fake.

    by PwnedByStallone

    By the way Equalizer. Metal Mullet. Hilarious.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    What ever happened to

    by Jak0lantern01

    all the BS they were throwing at us saying that the designers and script writers had to be hardcore TF fans? Who is the big lier in this whole mess?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    I mean I AM convinced they are fake.

    by PwnedByStallone

    By the way Equalizer. Metal Mullet. Hilarious.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Pray for prank

    by Jak0lantern01

    Just keep praying. It would turn into the greatest stunt on the fanboy community if these are fakes and we're really getting a faithful G1 rendition of the TF's. Pray. I like a good joke, really.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    There is something rotten in Cybertron.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    As some of you may know, I have tried to be a voice of optimism with regards to this movie. However, there is something fishy about all of this. Bay and Co. repeatedly stated that they wanted to keep the robots a secret until the movie opened. Suddenly, within a few weeks time, we've gotten nearly ever major character's design handed to us on a silver platter. You've got everyone from Don Murphy to Brian Goldner to Bay's blog administrator (nelson) doing damage control = nothing is finalized, we ain't seen nothing yet, etc. But Murphy has essentially said that people have lost their jobs because of these recent leaks. And I've even heard that he has shut down his messageboard in reaction to this Megatron image. Now, what kills me is that these images REMAIN online. Where is the Cease & Desist Request if these are legit? How can they hope to maintain any secrecy or even the interest of the fans (which is obviously NOT happening) with the amount of negativity being stirred up by these design images???!!! I really don't understand their apparent lack of concern for this. I don't know what fan response they are looking at but, it's definitely not anyone at AICN, TFW, or any number of TF related sites.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    looks COOL

    by nef

    die haters die

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Not the Megatron I know...

    by NopeNotCool

    Luckily (or perhaps rather unluckily) I saw the pics of Megatron (?) before they were removed... Hmmm, that's the Megatron I know from G1--- but then he should probably right along with chicken Starscream. This movie is speeding the wrong direction in a hurry.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    THIS IS WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU HIRE MICHAEL BAY!!!

    by Dolph

    Another Director would have been FAR MORE respectful to the G1 designs! He doesn't give a FUCK about fans. You know that fake ILM test footage, that's really neat, the Transformer has character....THIS IS AN ABOMINATION! ABOMINATION! ABOMINATION!! I'm sure the designer submitted it thinking "there's just no way he'll agree to this CRAP"..and BAY went nuts for it!! He said all the designers had to be fans of Transformers...NO FAN WOULD CREATE THIS SPIKEY TURD OF A DESIGN! I am in total shock. TRANSFORMERS IN NAME ONLY! TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Nope never seen anything this fucking stupid before.

    by megashit

    I can now kill myself! Thanks steven and micheal.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Images are now gone...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Someone must have read my mind before I posted.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    googamooga is a paramount employee

    by messi

    FUCK YOU! fans here wanted to see something in the spirit of transformers, obviously the blockiness wouldn't translate literally, but we wanted a tweaking to bring it to life and make it real, not a total mindfuck reimagining that happened here you fuck. This is like taking the cape and everything from superman. Just because the blockiness doesn't work, doesn't mean you got the total opposite way to make Bionicle the movie. Look at this. Tell your bosses, this fan made seconds long Sideswipe owns your pimp my cunt $200 million plus movie. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5041544459760537218&q=transformers+test

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    TB is gone.

    by McGsStepson

    I think that it is probably real. Especially since it was just removed. That and the legs of this Megatron design do look similar to the pictures of the actual prop legs of a Transformer in ice that surfaced last week.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    I wish it were a fake, but it seems too involved to

    by modlight

    be a fake. Mr. Nice Gaius, perhaps its time for those of us optimists to fold our cards for a while until the movie actually comes out.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Quick - EVERYBODY bookmark this TB!

    by McGsStepson

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Its A Big PR Stunt

    by flamingrunt

    To gauge fanboy reaction to the models before they go into full CG production

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Red Herring?

    by mordiceius

    Has anyone considered that all this stuff that has been released is perhaps red herrings of what will actually be in the film? I mean, up until about two weeks ago, there was =nothing= leaked from this film and then all of the sudden the flood gates opened and all this stuff got leaked. Perhaps these are =all= just rejected designs that Bay decided to leak to make people think they were seeing something. It would certainly make sense. *shrug* Maybe I'm just trying to blow smoke up my ass.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST

    What if this is a ploy by Bay!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Mr. Nice Gauis, interesting point. What if all this CRAP we have seen is just a ploy and they did the real G1 transformers!! That would be the best PR ever, we see the real designs and are blown away by how awesome they look. I remember Bay said he didnt want you to see a transformer until you sat down to watch it......god damn I hope this is all some insane joke played on us. Michael Bay if this is a joke, your good.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Its like they want to piss off the fans, its weird.

    by modlight

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Megs looks exactly like the aliens from Titan A.E.

    by superninja

    Don Bluth should sue. I hate these designs. They're incredibly unappealling. The TF are supposed to substitute for humans and the humans are mostly inconsquential supporting characters. But the filmmakers have decided to completely reverse that. So now the TF have very little human qualities and personality. They barely even communicate in the earlier script version!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    WHAT!!?? They DO NOT look anything like EVA's

    by AGE IIX

    Everything out of the Neon Genesis Evangelion "world" looks great, is original and has a purpose. These Transfromers Designs look DREADFULL!!! I realy want to know who did the designs because they have no feeling for iconic design! AAAGGGH!!! It boggles the mind!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    PR stunt

    by PwnedByStallone

    I agree. It's either a hoax or they're releasing these on purpose to get reaction. althouhg if the latter is true than it would mean they were actually considering these designs. THAT is scary because they are not even close. that clip messi posted is EXACTLY what these fcuking robots need to look like.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    If it's a hoax, its an expensive one.

    by modlight

    I figure their budget is big enough without setting up a department in charge of deception and misdirection. The sketches are one thing, but the Toy prototypes seem a like a long way to go for a hoax. On the other hand those prototypes are the only designs I kind of like.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Why would they have a PR stunt that they

    by superninja

    know is going to result in a negative reaction from the fans? Maybe Bay is trying to get off the film now - ha ha.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    All I know is there will be a lot of pinched

    by modlight

    fingers on little kids when these toys come out and they are going through their first transform. And some kid is going to lose an eye on megatron.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    I don't think it is a hoax...

    by Dolph

    Didn't you see the actors on that ET clip? "The Transformers look...very...(searching for a word other than FUCKED UP)...alien, and scary..." These are the designs man. They wouldn't build a full-scale Bumblebee, take it to filming locations as a stunt. Bay has royally FUCKED us. Now, thinking about it, this is his first project dealing with massive fan reaction...I know he doesn't give a shit, but let's give him hell!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by NightArrows

    Quote:"I take it yours haven't descended yet, eh?" Yeah, they descended all the way into your mom's gaping mouth. I went by Tetley in a former life. If you walk into a room where everyone hates something, and tell them to shut up, and someone tells you to wander a Wallmart and die, you really shouldn't be surprised.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Modlight

    by PwnedByStallone

    Pinched fingers?? Some little kids going to poke his fucking eye out with Megatron's dick!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST

    We know its not a hoax...

    by tile_mcgillus

    just wishful thinking. Sad face 5000.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Modlight.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Nevermind. you beat me to it. sorry dude

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Merrick

    by PwnedByStallone

    How do you know they are not releasing bad desings on purpose though?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    But, MERRICK...THEY LOOK LIKE SHIT

    by Dolph

    Can't the production team SEE that????

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I missed the pic! Anyone save it?!

    by Darth Bauer

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    AK, now that I think about it no kid will get hurt

    by modlight

    because no kid in their right mind would buy a toy like this.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    no hoax

    by Joseph Merrick

    The situation is very political and extremely complicated. There may certainly be some adjustments before the "final product", but the images flitting about the last few days accurately represent the direction the project is heading.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Soundwave, motherfuckers!!!

    by IAmLegolas

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-9037940286700388608&q=soundwave+transformers&hl=en

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST

    This movie belongs in development hell based

    by superninja

    on all of the information gleaned so far. From the early script version to the robot designs this is a huge mistake and really has very little to do with Transformers other than in name only. I would rather see nothing than the direction in which this film is headed.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Spielberg said he CARED about TF...

    by Dolph

    BullSHIT. I agree with Superninja..in fact..I don't want a live Transformers movie now, make it stop...it's all a bad dream!! WAKE ME UP!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Was Michael Bay Stan Bush at one point

    by modlight

    anyone see a resemblance? http://tinyurl.com/kx7wg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    AK-47

    by Joseph Merrick

    Because of who the sources are. I'm not trying to be coy or elusive; I'm frustrated that I can not be more specific.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    If Bay wants to make this film, take the Transformers

    by superninja

    name off of it. Rename the characters and call it something else.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Hey Merrick...I know your hands are tied

    by Dolph

    And it must be frustrating!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    That's Why I Said "Retarded" EVAs

    by ZombieSolutions

    The real EVA designs are brilliant, beautiful, and terrifying. This looks like someone ate some bad fish for lunch while watching THE GUYVER (and half remembering how cool EVANGELION was...). It doesn't really matter though; this movie will make more money than God overnight. Thanks all y'alls FAKE CONSUMER NOSTALGIA. The Pavlov's Dog phenomenon as realized in plastic and diecast metal.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

    by Truth0ne

    MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Superninja I agree, as I said above.

    by modlight

    Michael Bay is making a movie about robots that transform. He is not making a Transformers movie. I can't stress that enough. And I am saddened. I love Michael Bay movies and I love TF, I even love bad action flicks, but this is inexcusable.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    never posted a comment until now!

    by megashit

    I didnt really care for the new designs of the other transformers, but I tolerated them and convinced myself that it wasnt that bad and it would still be OK. But I just cant deal with what they have done to Megatron. All my life I have dreamed of seeing this movie. This is a knife in my heart. I dont want to see attack of the evil robots from space. This is transformers dammit. What the fuck are these morons thinking. Just stop the movie now, I dont want to see it even if it does kick ass. "Its over Prime"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Merrick - good work

    by McGsStepson

    Thanks for weighing in and having a pair and then setting some of the doubters straight. Good work the past couple of days man!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    OMFG!!!!

    by Snake-eyes

    This is THE FINAL STRAW! That 'thing' is the most poorly conceived and innapropriately designed Transformer i have EVER had the misfortune to see. I've been a G1 fan from day one and this whole debacle SICKENS ME! Its a complete FUCKING JOKE! There is only one.....ONE..... saving grace and that is Peter Cullen. But... looking at everything else, i would almost rather him not be involved. THIS FILM IS A FUCKING BLASPHEMY TO ALL THINGS G1!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Dolph

    by Joseph Merrick

    It's the "eye of the beholder" principle. ALSO: keep in mind that the film is being approached from the perspective of roping in a new "generation" of fans (provided they don't impale themselves on their Megatron toys). In the minds or marketing folks, "new generation" = "new aesthetic". I'm not saying I agree, or disagree, with this -- just illuminating some of the though process afoot.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST

    my god

    by JCR5686

    that is the worst thing ive ever seen, and i thought starscream was bad. that doesn't even look like a transformer. looks like they designed him not knowing what he's going to transform into.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    I AM NOT A TRANSFORMERS FAN

    by isildur29

    have never been exposed to it til this movie "hype" started. I was a GI Joe/TMNT kid. I think this movie is going to tank because I am just a frequent movie-goer who after seeing the designs and pictures for this movie thinks it looks about on par with Thunderbirds.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Can't Wait For Weta's Live Action EVANGLEION

    by ZombieSolutions

    That dream project is the only reason why TACO BELL: The Movie -er, i mean- TRANSFOMERS: The Movie is a good thing; since it is going ot make more money than God overnight, the Weta EVA project will no doubt get the green light; THEN, then you'll get your smart, well-written, amazing giant robot movie...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    McGsStepson

    by Joseph Merrick

    THANK YOU1 Very much.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    The issue is no longer simply the character designs.

    by superninja

    Having read an earlier version of the script, man of us realize that the filmmakers do not really get the Transformers. They are too focused on the Transformers being alien and playing that up, when the Transformers are simply a metaphor - we are supposed to see ourselves in them. They have instead turned this into a human interest movie (with a bunch of uninteresting humans) and robbed the Transformers of everything that was endearing and relateable about them from the cartoon.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    hoax or not...

    by Flux_brown

    thanks 4 the info merrick. Guys, its devastating isn't it? i can literally feel my heart sink all the way down to my toes...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Merrick - "very political and extremely complicated"

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    care to elaborate on that particular situation?! Does this imply that Etienne may not have a desk to go back to as he is escorted off the studio lot?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Merrick, I figured they were going with that sales pitc

    by modlight

    of roping in new viewers, but man, you call whoever you need to and tell them over there that kids aren't stupid, and that the reason this brand has been around so long is that the original designs were just that good, iconic, and cool. The same way James Bond has survied through Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan, because Connery was just that awesome.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I-- I mean, why-- I mean, I don't wanna--

    by BizarroJerry

    As someone said, I feel a little pathetic about my reaction, but, what are they doing? They just don't get it... Maybe work in progress means, "not going to use it." Ugh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    What the hell?!

    by Saracen1

    That makes all the other movie Transformer designs look good...and I hated them. First they turn Optimus into a hillbilly Peterbilt with FLAMES on it... Then they turn Starscream into the offspring of Apeface and Waspinator.. And now this shit? This Megatron design is way too busy, and WAAAAAAY too ugly! Dear God, this makes me wonder how the hell they're gonna fuck up Jazz.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Merrick..I do get that, but...

    by Dolph

    I don't know in which beholder's eye that would look like a good design. There is a way to achieve balance, to appease old fans and make new ones...casting Peter Cullen does not give you the right to destroy a character like this. In fact...I'd rather not have Cullen voice Prime...because this is not Transformers. Transformers are robots that turn into vehicles. These are vehicles that turn in a congealed scrap-yard.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Metaphor?!?! TRANSFORMERS is a MARKETING CAMPAIGN!!!

    by ZombieSolutions

    Geezus, Chirst! A "metpahor"?! "we're suposed to see ourselves in them"?!?! Cmon, man, now seriously. You've got to be kidding me! All it is, was, and ever shall be is a TOY COMMERCIAL. They're definately cool looking toys, and that show was alot of fun when I was a kid, but even then I knew it was nothing more than a cool looking toy commerical. I mean, cmon. I swear to god, everyone has completely and totally lost their minds about this.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Remember That Old Megatron Full Size Model?

    by flamingrunt

    flickr.com/photos/lights/218635246/ looks awfully familiar now the designs out

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST

    crybabies

    by foree forehead

    it seems to me that, on every talkback, the biggest crybabies are the ones complaining about the crybabies. it's idiotic

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    When they say for a new generation, what they

    by superninja

    mean is reinvisioning the concept, not just the designs (although the designs are certainly a reflection of this). The overall concept has very little to do with classic Transformers. That's why when people tell you not to complain about major design changes - don't listen to them. It's usually tied in some way to changes in the characterization and overall concept. What is surprising is that the TF character descriptions leaked were in fact fairly accurate, but they were not reflected at all or really put to any use in the early script I read. Maybe that has changed significantly, but I doubt it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    MEGATRONS TRUE ALT MODE PIC LOOK!!!!!!!

    by messi

    http://img456.imageshack.us/img456/9295/megatronaltmodevp1.jpg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by Joseph Merrick

    I was referring to the situation in general: why the leaks have been happening...why some are addressed by The Powers That Be and others are not...etc. I can see why it smacks of conspiracy and hoax. The odd patterns are more about politics than anything else.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Zombie, maybe you're just really shallow?

    by superninja

    The reason the concept and characters have been so popular with several generations is because people identify with the characters. Not as toys, but as characters. That's like saying Star Wars is only a toy commercial, or Superman is just a toy. It's way beyond that at this point.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST

    I Sense Much Hate In This Forum

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Merrick, are you suggesting that there is

    by superninja

    a tug of war going on over the direction of the film?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Tug of War = Troubled Production

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Merrick, do they even know...

    by mordiceius

    about how the fans are reacting to this? Do they understand that they have a HUGE built-in fanbase of all those ages 16-30 that they are just pushing away with the direction they're taking this?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST

    I still cant believe it...

    by Snake-eyes

    Flux_brown...youre right! My heart did sink a little then. I just cant believe what i am seeing here. I think we all agree the script sucks, we all agree there is too much attention given to the humans, we all agree that there are too few transformers being included and that pretty much every single fucking one of the designs sucks! It really is a goddamn nightmare...!!! You know i recently read the first issues of the US TF comic...the original ones from the 80's...right up to the climax in the storyline 'the last stand' - right before Shockwave makes his grand entrance. Those first few issues detailing their arrival and introduction to Earth were incredible. Why oh why couldnt they adapt that storyline for the movie - FFS!!! It pleases the fans and its a great introduction to the proper TF universe for the new fans. *slumps back in chair... crest-fallen*

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:07 p.m. CST

    jazz

    by megashit

    In the spirit of fucking everything up, I think Jazz should transform into scooter. I hope to god I never meet micheal, because megatron is really gonna hurt when I shove him up his ASS!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:08 p.m. CST

    this wasn't designed.

    by eighteenseconds

    it was shat out.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    casinoskunk I want Transformers

    by messi

    Go Bots had giant transforming robots fighting each other and that wasn't popular, especially 20 years later. I could say the same thing about Superman in Superman Returns. It's Superman flying around saving stuff, what more do you want? Well I wanted Superman. Not Singerman. I want Transformers. Not Bayformers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:10 p.m. CST

    modlight & fellow "optimists"

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The kicker is that the Megatron design is a great design. BUT not for a Transformer!!! And certainly not for the iconic Decepticon leader. How would I have even known that was Megatron unless you spelled it out for me?! I suspect that they were going to go with alien robot approach but this is a bit much. -- Look, there may yet be a good, entertaining movie coming our way in 2007. But at this rate, I don't think anyone is going to care because of the negativity brought about by these leaks. I would think that you've got to have some sense of familiarity with the designs (i.e. Fusion Canon, a recognizable face, something) or you're going to have a flop one year ahead in the making. There is still hope...nothing has flashed on the big screen yet.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:13 p.m. CST

    its not a matter of sticking to the original designs...

    by tripp5

    these designs just look fuckign stoopid. i'm still gonna be optimistic about this until i see some footage, but its truly not looking good. Megatron looks re-fucking-tarded

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    They're not going to redesign everything

    by Jak0lantern01

    Not at this stage in the game. Yeah, great, their going to have more color and some more detail, but these are the final designs. Choke on 'em, BAY!. I can't believe Spielberg calls himself a TF fan.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    This would be an awesome movie

    by Damed

    If it wasn't called TRANSFORMERS.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Yes, there is hope...

    by Dolph

    Michael Bay may still yet get run over by a flat faced truck and production will be halted, on this downtime the creative team will stop smoking crack and create some awesome re-designs and this will get back on track with someone better at the helm.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by superninja

    The alien robot approach is their myopic take on the characters. They have no human qualities, their backstory has no reference point but is referred to in vague mythological tones. They do not communicate plainly, but talk in stilted language or speak natively like a shrill modem dial-up. It's awful.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Thanks Merrick...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I can appreciate the complexities involved in all of this.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Are you sure it isn't Skorpinok?

    by bluelagoon

    In his robot mode...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHA NIGHT ARROWS OWNS

    by messi

    googamooga by NightArrows August 24th, 2006 12:31:39 PM CST Quote:"I take it yours haven't descended yet, eh?" Yeah, they descended all the way into your mom's gaping mouth. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Godlike.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST

    things aren't looking good....

    by Flux_brown

    okay, lets take some time to see how this movie has developed over the past week... First: leaked pics of cars in yard and bumblebee in all his glory...bad reaction, still some optimists in the midst (including Moi) Second: leaked pics of optimus, blackout and, oh my god its so painful, starscream...bad reaction from talkbackers Third: Leaked script, bad reaction. was kinda shallow, not what an average fan would expect...quite a departure from the original. fourth: Don Murray slamming fans on his websites, asking HIS stooges to have faith....but the non-believers could all go to hell Fifth: Megatron, as shitty as he can be...converted the faithful into heretics, major bummer. who would've thought that with spielberg behind this...all of this could happen. and who would've known that within a week the buzz surrounding this project changed from cautiously positive to down right dissapointment and pain. As far as i'm concerned this project is already in its death throes, and its only been a week since the initial leak...man! bummer!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST

    HAHAHAHA NIGHT ARROWS OWNS

    by messi

    googamooga by NightArrows August 24th, 2006 12:31:39 PM CST Quote:"I take it yours haven't descended yet, eh?" Yeah, they descended all the way into your mom's gaping mouth. HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH Godlike.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    updating an 80's toy

    by occams_razor

    Fan or not, you have to admit it's kinda interesting to see what someone's interpretation of what a Transformer would look like today considering all the stuff that must influence they design. What new shapes and materials can we incorporate into the design? Can it be reasonably and cost effectively be made into a toy? Is it too scary or too friendly for the demographic we are aiming for? Will it work on screen? Can it be animated effectively? I'm sure there are a million other things that go into it too that I'm not thinking of. I think it's really fascinating. That being said, I was always more of a giant monster fan, rather than giant robots so I'm not really up in arms over the design. Now, when they release the Dark Crystal 2, I will do my damnest not to slip into that nasty fanboy mode. But it is a real treat reading some of these rants.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    by megashit

    Thank god for these leaks. Can you imagine how upset you would be if six months from now your watching the superbowl and a commercial for bayformers was shown. At least we can be somewhat prepared for the inevitable unholy bloody anal rapeage of our beloved childhood memories. But why does the official poster seem to resemble the original megatrons helmet?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    by Goatweed

    did anyone upload the pic anywhere since it's been removed?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    a conversation at the studio about transformers:

    by Cory849

    Studio Exec One: Wow. the AICN geeks are furious about the changes to the transformers movie. What do we do? *** Studio Exec two: Did you see the grosses from Snakes on a Plane? Fuck those fat nerds. We're gonna keep making movies for people who actually buy tickets. Our robots rock. Our movie will make 100 Billion dollars and then the fat nerds will buy the toys. ****

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Im now scared for the soundtrack

    by megashit

    I hear NSYNC is doing the soundtrack. Whats next?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    MERRICK!!!!!! just tell us something

    by messi

    obviously if it's political, people are disagreeing, so is Don Murphy on our side? He was the whole 'G1' guy. He was the guy that was adamant about getting Peter Cullen, or maybe he just thought with a producer's mentallity, that something like that will quieten down the fans. Then again he's saying to everyone 'Have faith'. But how? Major backfire. Major.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Judging by Don Murphy's reaction

    by Jak0lantern01

    to the posters on his site (aside from the fact that he killed the TF link in advance of the Meg's leak and knowing the response), so you think he's well into a breakdown? I hear he's from Long Island, me too. Are you here Murphy? Or in L.A. I was just there too. Ooooooh, did that sound stalkerish? Here's to the great breakdown, career-wise, of course.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST

    @Superninja: Am I Shallow Or Honest?

    by ZombieSolutions

    Probably both. I see where your coming from, but the thing with STAR WARS is that it has the backbone of a really good fantasy/sci-fi/fairy tale/morality play type story; a really good story written by a dorky nobody introvert with a passion for DUNE and FLASH GORDON who really *felt* what he was writing. It meant something to him. Of course, his sincere dream turned into a souless marketing juggernaut (I still love STAR WARS, but recognize it as largely a corporation now, not so much a folksy space opera); regardless, the kernel at the center was real and true. TRANSFORMERS, on the other hand, was created wholly by Ad Executives and Toy Manufacturers for the sole explicit purpose of selling toys to kids. Thats it! No center of wisdom, no deeper meaning; just a toy commerical. If you are reading a deeper metaphor into it, thats all you man, cause it aint there. I mean, which Transfomers do you see yourself in? I mean, seriously? Or is it just that they look cool? Be honest.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Cybertron

    by Damed

    Maybe this is just Cybertron Megatron in a flashback/history segment?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST

    According to that script, Scorponik IS the robot mode.

    by Shermdawg

    It pops off the back of the Decepticon that attacks the military base in the Middle East.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    NEW PICS SITE

    by messi

    http://servewithchips.blogspot.com/

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    have to throw my hat in on this

    by quadrupletree

    They're "robots in disguise!"!! ?!? ? ALIEN JET ON EARTH DOES NOT EQUAL DISGUISE! I don't know how he fits in in the script but this just seems Hollywood lame. Come on guys. There is so much weird insanity surrounding this project, I can only imagine what's happening behind the scenes...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    Why are they trying to make them more organic??

    by Math1303

    I mean I love the simplicity of the original designs... the design where more cubic and simplistic and they worked. Now it looks like they feel that keeping this simplistic look is gonna look like cheap visual effects. The technology has advanced so lets show millions of little mechanical parts moving around and making it more spectacular!! We have a lot of budget so let's use it and really push the effects!! OK so we've been able to do transformers effects for years now but that doesn

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions sorry but

    by messi

    the difference is that the people behind Transformers actually made something out of it, with the show and the comics. They tried to do something and that's why it resonates with older fans still. And I don't see how anyone cannot admire someone as heroic and noble as Optimus Prime. He has depth so even though it was just a toy ad originally, it changed into something more. And that's why about 97% of people here are furious.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:37 p.m. CST

    mordiceius & superninja

    by Joseph Merrick

    No tug of war at all re: the direction of the film. The team seems very much on the same page. By "complex & political situation" I am simply referring to the mechanics of leaked information & how it is (or is not) addressed. It's not a conspiracy, or "testing the waters". Some stuff escapes, some doesn't. Sometimes it stays posted, sometimes is doesn't. The reasons for these deviations are what's complex and political & have nothing to do with the design or manipulation of information by The Powers That Be.-----> Re: knowing fan's reactions. They are aware. Ultimately, they have their mission & must be confident that they're making the right decisions to pull it off. If they don't have that confidence, none of them would be able to survive in the business...none of them would have gotten far enough to even have a *meeting* about TRANSFORMERS. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with the decisions being made on this project...just saying that *anyone* who is in a creative field must believe in themselves, and in their "vision", or they will invariably fail. The problem is: when one is stepping into a franchise with a long, vivid, defined history one must also be aware of what that history means to people, otherwise they run the risk of alienating legions. The legions, in this case, are you guys...and the people at TFW2005...and countless other places. And that seems to be the crux of the issue here: where does the need to appease hoards of angry Geeks stop...and the freedom to make whatever movie one wants to make...begin? For example: if any one of us were given a SUPERMAN movie to make...most of us would automatically bring with it *our own preconceptions* of what SUPERMAN is, and what it means to us. And, in all likelihood, many people would disagree with our assessment. "Louis is to young/old!" "Superman's suit is too old-fashioned". "Bizarro should be the badguy!" "No, Brainiac should be the badguy!" "Superman should chase a missile!" "No, he should chase a meteor!" "No, he should beat down a bazooka wielding hooker named Susan!" And, hearing these impassioned ideas, what would we do with our SUPERMAN movie...despite the diverse opinions and hostility? We'd take our best guess & interpret it the way we think best...the way *we* most want to. I'm not trying to defend any TRANSFORMERS decisions herein, and I certainly don't want to get into any fight with anybody 'cause I'm not the fightin' type. I'm just providing a perspective to illustrate how hard it for creative types to do their thang. And, yes, it IS fair to say that "Well, if Bay didn't want to make a TRANSFORMERS movie that actually feels like a TRANSFORMERS movie, he shouldn't have taken the gig!" But that brings us back to interpretive struggle...marketing demands...etc. It's a vicious circle and one tough system.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST

    I remain unimpressed

    by chiahead

    I'm a die hard fan who has done the geek fanboy outrage thing on these TBs at least once... so I won't now. I will say that it makes me sad though because regardless of the stupid choices and the underwhelming art design, it was always kind of a given to me that I'd go see this movie. After seeing that image of Megs, I'm actually not so sure now. That's really heartbreaking.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Actually, the alien approach makes sense if you are talking about sentient alien robots. Their robot forms wouldn't necessarily have recognizable human vehicle shapes included in their design. However, that does not mean that we should not be able to recognize them in their robot mode! (I think they are going with a very literal interpretation of the word "transformer" = everything changes.) And I would imagine that if they referred to any backstory, it would be done so in mythic terms. Exactly how old are these characters again? 4 million years minimum? Finally, I do find the language thing interesting. It makes sense that they would have a native tongue and that it would be based on a computer/mechanical type language. For example: binary. If you were going to convert data into sound via a "voice", there are lots of ways you could choose to represent that...like loud booms displacing air, etc.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:39 p.m. CST

    But Merrick you talk about marketing guys

    by messi

    But don't they know that toys like this have been released, they have released these crazy looking robot toys for years now, but they were never that successful.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Well, you're just wrong about TF Zombie.

    by superninja

    My point is not what it started out as, but the fact that it has taken on a life of its own well beyond that. It does have a center of wisdom and a deeper meaning that is actually very topical. It's about good vs. evil much in the same way Star Wars is. The Decepticons and Autobots fight a war for centuries on their home planet, use up all of its resources, and then have to venture out beyond their galaxy for additional resources to continue their conflict over control of their planet. The Autobots are vastly outnumbered by the Decepticons and are like the Rebel forces in SW. Both factions are stranded on Earth by accident and then awaken in the 80s and adapt to the vehicles forms so they can remain hidden from the general population and continue their war on Earth in the form of skirmishes. In no time, the Decepticons are attempting to siphon off the Earth's natural resources as quickly as possible to get back to Cybertron and to drain the planet dry so they can defeat the Autobot rebellion once and for all. The Autobots, on the other hand, put their own needs second and protect the human inhabitants and try to stop the Deceptions even though they are feared and mistrusted by the humans. The Decepticons despise the humans, of course, because they don't value life in general. As for the characterization, obviously Optimus Prime is the standout, being a John Wayne/Captain America-type character who is noble, a natural leader who his soldiers would follow into hell and back. At that point, the rest of the Autobots line up in various characterizations you would see in any war film - they loyal lieutenant (Ironhide), the gung-ho kid (Bumblebee), the flashy gunner (Jazz), etc. The Decepticons are interesting because Megatron is pompous, cruel, petty and keeps everyone in order through fear. Starscream is his 2nd who is backstabbing and wants Megatron's position without having any real leadership qualities. The Decepticons for the most part, are always engaging in power struggles behind the scenes out of their own greed and egotism. There are a few exceptions such as Soundwave, who is blindly loyal to Megatron. Would you like me to continue?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST

    once again, Merrick has restored my faith.

    by chiahead

    Well writ., Merrick.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Merrick if your superman theory works we would

    by messi

    get a movie where superman dissapears for 5 years and comes back to stalk his ex love who has a child that is his. Ohh wait. See what happens when you think 'me only' like singer did and bay is thinking right now. Same as Batman And robin, then Nolan came and made Batman Begins actually looking at what made the character great and loved and also relevant.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    WHERE IS PHATEGOD

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    Don't care about this movie, but always enjoy his opinions and jokes... now that guy is a fan!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    FUCK THIER VISION

    by megashit

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Summarized Response to Joseph

    by Squashua

    There's "my concept" and there's "their concept" and there's a nice amalgam. Sure, give me Superman and give Michael Bay Superman. And we both have to do Bizzaro. My Bizzaro is going to be crackly white-skinned in a reverse-logo superman suit; not a campy one and he won't have a #1 medallion, but he'll look like a discolored Superman as seen through a broken mirror. Bay? His Bizzaro will be a black woman that shoots laser beams from her fingernails. Now let's let the fanboys vote on which version they'd want to see.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    AGAIN! HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE LOOKED LIKE

    by messi

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5041544459760537218&q=transformers+test

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Merrick I doubt that any of us would make a Superman

    by modlight

    movie and put him in Yellow tights and take off his cape and insignia. Which is effectively what they're doing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The lessons of 'Godzilla' ('98)...

    by thethedew

    ...are being ignored by this crew. You mess too much with the expectations of an established fan base, and there will be financial consequences. Fans will vote with their wallets. What&#39;s next, re-naming Space Cruiser Yamato &#39;Space Cruiser Arizona&#39;? >snarky grin<

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    thethedew... Bingo.

    by modlight

    I say do what you want to the story, but in a situation like this you&#39;re dealing with iconic designs like Godzilla. Change it and people freak out because they fear change. You know, like a gay Superman. (I loved the Supes movie btw)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, all well and good.

    by superninja

    But those aren&#39;t the Transformers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    PICS here, linked

    by hyphen

    http://digg.com/movies/Megatron_Revealed_1st_shots_of_Decepticon_leader_from_Transformers_Movie

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    http://digg.com/movies/Megatron_Revealed_1st_shots_of_D

    by hyphen

    check it out

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Merrick, cheers for taking the time to respond...

    by Dolph

    On another note: if an almighty uprising of negativity, a gargantuan blackened cloud of vitriol directed at the people behind this monstrosity cannot change a thing about the trainwreck this is turning into...then I don&#39;t think I&#39;ll expend the energy anymore.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Quoth movie Megatron...

    by Childe Roland

    ...(whilst pointing at his frightening metallic phallus): "I got yo gun right here, beeyotch!"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    modlight

    by Joseph Merrick

    Fair enough. Again, I&#39;m not defending any decisions...nor am I justifying them. Just trying to look at the situation cosmically.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    by megashit

    I had transformers stuff all over my website. Just deleted all of it, because I am embarassed for the franchise and I dont want to be associated with this crap anymore because I care about it to much. I will now take my leave because I am done with this cybertron supersized mound of bullshit.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Merrick is a total SUIT.

    by PwnedByStallone

    What a pussy you are man. No one wants to hear your apologetic bullshit. And here&#39;s a question. What&#39;s with the whole "Standard Mode" Battle Mode" shit on those designs? for all the talk about how people don&#39;t want metal appearing out of nowhere look at the difference in the head. where&#39;s all those extra little plates come from?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    "That&#39;s all well and good..." -- I don&#39;t understand. Why? Because that stuff was never addressed in the cartoons?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Merrick re: freedom with other people&#39;s characters.

    by superninja

    This issue comes up in comic books all of the time. The problem is, the characters have an established appearance and characterization for many years, which at that point is tied into their popularity. They have reached iconic status. When you start playing around with that in significant ways, naturally you tick off everyone who is attached to the original conception of the character. Because it then becomes something else - something new. Bay & Co. did not create the Transformers. This is quite common where people in Hollywood come along and out of sheer egotism believe it is time to fix what ain&#39;t broke. Because their massive egos want the property tied to their vision, to make them indispensible to the product. To them I say - go make up your own characters. They don&#39;t belong to you.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Guess we have to wait 8 years for Transformers Begins

    by messi

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by superninja

    Because it&#39;s too literal, and has nothing to do with Transformers. Transformers have never been that alien. In fact, from the perspective of the cartoons, the humans are the aliens.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:55 p.m. CST

    "Louis is to young/old!" uh, Merrick...it&#39;s Lois.

    by Shermdawg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    As a fan since the beginning , I would just like to say

    by CloneRangerUK

    thanks for nothing Bay you c*nt, if it is going to turn out like this mess suggests, you really should have done us all a favour & not bothered at all. Seriously.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Uh, Shermdog.

    by Joseph Merrick

    That&#39;s called a type-o. Can&#39;t correct it w/o reposting the whole thing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Merrick, I totally understand. And thanks for

    by modlight

    keeping up with this TB. I know they are making a business as much as they&#39;re making a movie, and I understand that they are "confident" and that confidence got them to where they are. But I&#39;m worried that the confidence is hubris in this case. I&#39;m a huge fan of Michael Bay films, but I worry that these people are putting themselves before the franchise, which is very dangerous for something like this. Its why Tarantino will never do a Bond film. I don&#39;t doubt that it would be a cool movie, but it would be Tarantino&#39;s Bond. Franchisses like this continue on faithful anonymity, and respect to history. But in any case, thanks for the update and keep up the good work. I will still see this, but I definitley won&#39;t be as excited as I was on the day I heard that Bay was directing one of my favorite childhood memories.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 1:59 p.m. CST

    CloneRanger

    by Dolph

    Agreed.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    you are all stupid, they are re-introducing, almost....

    by wcoop893

    recreating the transformers, and they know it. they are modernizing it, and making it over purposly. they are making their own installment of the transformers, and they will not argue that

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2 p.m. CST

    Help! I can&#39;t stop throwing up in my mouth!

    by finky089

    It&#39;s these terrible designs that have gone and done that. TINO!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    its like a new generation of the toy line....

    by wcoop893

    only in a huge action packed kick ass michael bay movie. no one involved with the movie will argue against that. so stop complaining and get used to it. changes are being made, its like a new/different beginning for the transfomers

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m Well Aware Of The Toy Commericals Story, Superninja

    by ZombieSolutions

    But its still just a toy commercial written by Ad Execs and Toy Manufacturers in order to move product. Nothing more, nothing less. Any nobility or deeper meaning you see there is coming out of your head, not Hasbro&#39;s. All thats coming out of their heads is "how can we dupe these consumers into buying more crap." Period. Don&#39;t get me wrong, I completely understand the allure of cool looking crap, but thats all TF is and ever shall be.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:01 p.m. CST

    It looked pretty cool to me

    by Kink

    I don&#39;t know what the hell you guys are complaining about. Everytime I see a Transformers talkback there&#39;s 30 fanboys complaining about how it isn&#39;t "the 80s" design.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    oh and you will all see this movie so dont even try

    by wcoop893

    to convince me you are not going to see it because you thinked they messed shit up. i will see you all their opening night, even if your just curious. if you care enough to post here, you will be at the theaters for this movie

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO

    by finky089

    ...as was said by someone above, this is Transformers In Name Only.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Zombie, you&#39;re aware that the t.v. show had

    by superninja

    actual writers, right? It&#39;s quite a bit of mental wrangling to suggest that something has no depth because it was first conceived as a marketable product. That&#39;s all SW was in the beginning as well.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I disagree. This is a big, Hollywood movie. It&#39;s not a cartoon. Therefore, it has to appeal to a much wider audience. That audience will include all age groups...especially the one that&#39;s gonna want to know why they should give a fook about walking, talking robots beating the shite out of each other. You would have to approach it from a human perspective (how much is CERTAINLY debatable). No, this time, the robots are the aliens. Literally. :)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    wcoop Yeah I&#39;ll see this movie, just like I saw

    by modlight

    Daredevil, Godzilla, Elektra and any other number of failed scifi adaptations that I hoped would be good. But what&#39;s wrong with wanting it to be good?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    *pics are here* --- http://tinyurl.com/zbx68

    by hyphen

    links to digg story with pics

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:09 p.m. CST

    I think everyone expected changes, but...

    by thethedew

    ...these have been pushed too far. I mean, every time a new line of Transformers toys came out over the years, the character&#39;s designs changed. But their silhouettes didn&#39;t. Optimus was always Optimus, even as a giant Gorilla. Even as a tank rather than a pistol, Megatron was still recognizable as Megatron.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:09 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s their approach, Gaius, but I would

    by superninja

    argue it&#39;s much less appealing than the original concept.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    time to water these plants..

    by foree forehead

    ..drown &#39;em like.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Toothpaste Commercials Have Writers Too, Superninja

    by ZombieSolutions

    Where do you think the "minty fresh" scripts come from? And SW *became* a marketing juggernaut, it wasn&#39;t *concieved* as one.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    To anyone defending the designs...

    by tile_mcgillus

    Seriously, look at that design. Seriously. I&#39;m a professional designer and working artist. There is a great idea in art that boiled down says "Take away everything that isn&#39;t essential." When this is done you get a very dynamic and explosion design. Its that simple. Is all that detail necessary......?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST

    modlight

    by Joseph Merrick

    You wrote: But I&#39;m worried that the confidence is hubris in this case.----> Well said. It is CERTAINLY a danger whenever *anyone* adapts *anything*...this included.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, that was......

    by CloneRangerUK

    ....f&#39;ing hilarious dude!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    by megashit

    If anyone still hasnt seen the godawfull pics of megatron, www.tformers.com still has them up.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Take a look

    by OneintenMan

    at the optimus prime pics again. They don&#39;t seem so bad anymore, so in a way, this design is a good thing. This is called optimism.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Ok...let&#39;s analyze this

    by Knightsong

    The pictures of megatron are deffinately wrong. I won&#39;t argue that point at all...It bears no resemblance to any version of the character I&#39;ve ever seen so I understand why people are upset. But, and I&#39;m sure this has been pointed out by now, isn&#39;t it reasonable to assume that this version of him is a design before he gets changed into his earth guise? Believe me I have no hopes they&#39;ll do much, if any, justice to the tranformers series. But you&#39;d have to figure he&#39;d get changed around a bit. And does anyone else think optimus looks like Megas XLR?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Autobots = Democrats & Decepticons = Republicans

    by PwnedByStallone

    Thought this talkback could be a little longer.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST

    This film will be awesome.

    by OneintenMan

    This is called optimism prime.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    The marketing and ideas behind this movie make no sense

    by messi

    Transformers is well known. effectively it is being made because it is an already established franchise. It is trying to appeal to the nostalgic 80&#39;s crowd who grew up with it, but what they&#39;re doing is eliminating that audience. They are going to say &#39;What the fuck is this?&#39;. That&#39;s very bad producing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Those arent fucking Transformers!!!!

    by King Tiger

    You have got to please be kidding me that those are what the robots are going to look like in Transformers Live action. Its not about the story right now, its not about whos playing sparkplug or who ever, its about the fucking ROBOTS. Im already being asked to suspend too much dissbelief that those pipes-and-sheet-metal looking lumps of shit are for real. Please someone reassure me that those shots are all a ruse to throw us off? &#39;Cos if thats what I am expected to pay good money to watch I shall hunt down and angrily soddomise the concept designers and producers that gave this crap the green light.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Bay is almost there

    by ShawnT

    Just a few more tweaks and changes and this movie will have as much in common with the Transformers as the Super Mario Movie had in common with the game.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m trying to look at this as a neutral.

    by Giant Ape Balls

    If I&#39;d never been a geeky kid fan who&#39;s still got all the toys at his parents somewhere and lets face it, thats who this movie is beingmade for). I&#39;d be quite excited by the majority of the pictures I&#39;d seen. They look sleek, modern and functional. However what is the point of transforming into a big Alien ship when you&#39;re trying to disguise yourself on Earth? It seems a bit of a cop out.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Somebody show these to the kids!

    by thethedew

    Here&#39;s an experiment. I have nephews that are big TF/Armada fans. I wonder what they&#39;d think of these designs. If anyone has any kids that are TF fans, show them these designs and see if they go &#39;ugh&#39;, or &#39;cool&#39;. They ARE the main target audience, after all. Report back here.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Another thing... That design doesn&#39;t strike me as

    by modlight

    Leader. There is nothing there that separates him from any of the other designs we have seen. Megatron used to have that gay little Kaiser style helmet that made you say... this dude is in charge. Optimus had that enormous truck windshield brestplate that made him seem like he was standing tall and imposing, also gone. Now they are all just a mishmash of metal and you can&#39;t tell one from the other if you squint.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s all fine and dandy but.....

    by RevSick

    I&#39;m really getting tired of the excuses, everytime a remake or adaptation comes out I have to hear about it being a "re-imagining" or they&#39;re "re-inventing" or wanting to "do their own thing with it" and frankly I&#39;m getting tired of it cause everytime I hear it, the end product is garbage. I&#39;m really getting tired of watching people pick up other people&#39;s creations and butcher them just because they know they can sell it by name. It&#39;s not that hard to do a faithful adaptation, look at LOTR, Sin City, Batman Begins, you can do it if you give a shit, Michael Bay could give a fuck about keeping true to anything, I mean hell look at freakin Pearl Harbor for fucks sake, the guy is a hack and hopefully if you take the plagarism that was the Island into acount this will torpedo his directing career once and for all.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    This design is great. Long live Michael Bay!!!

    by brokebackcowboy

    I don&#39;t know what everyone is talking about. It&#39;s a forward-lookin, evolutionary design that befits a Transformers movie. You should all set up a shrine to Michael Bay for breathing new life in your childhood cartoons. Long Live Michael Bay!!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Brokebackcowboy

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    You have just issued a clear invitation to the dance.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Anchorite - I paid good $$$ to have those pics deleted!

    by chiahead

    How could you? I mean.. really. You promised!!

  • franchise. And that franchise had to be transformers. He was going to go out with a shit, and the shit he had to do was Transformers. I hate this guy. And fuck. I&#39;m pissed at Spielberg too.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    You know...

    by SilentP

    I expected them to want to make the Transformers look "cooler" and more extreme!11!!1!omgwtf!1!111! for the movie. I knew that they weren&#39;t just gonna stick to the original designs, that they would want to do something that would appeal to kids today - the very people who will be buying the toys and other TF merch that this film, like the cartoon, is really about. But JEEBUS CHRIST, give us SOMETHING, some small element to tie these bizarre new designs to the originals, you *jackasses*. Would it be so hard to give Megatron a cannon/bazooka that attaches to his right arm, or, I don&#39;t know, a Decepticon symbol on his fucking chest? The same *colors* as the original design? ANYTHING? Something to remind us that we&#39;re not looking at a walking pile of debris? Honestly, I will be very curious to see how the inevitable toy based on this will actually Transform. "Awesome! The right wing turns into part of his arm, a little of his leg, the left side of his ass and one of his eyes!"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    None too happy with Spielberg as well...

    by RevSick

    Especially with all the bs he shpealed about being such a huge TF fan. If that was true he would never have ok&#39;d these designs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m blind!

    by electricwood

    Who was the idiot who thought everyone loved Transformers because of the voices! I&#39;m guessing this movie will do well with TF fans who went blind after the 80&#39;s.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Merrick-- This is not an adaptation

    by NopeNotCool

    ...and adaptation would represent the essence of the original. DiCaprio&#39;s Romeo did duel with a pistol instead of a sword-- but the essence... emotion of Shakespeare&#39;s work was somewhere in there. These pictures--- if they are representative of the actual characters---- are abominations. If Bay and whoever else is making this movie can&#39;t see that this is beyond the abstract and inconsequential "Superman&#39;s insignia is too dark" then hubris is way overboard. Spielberg and anyone else involved who claims that they were a fan of G1 are deluded themselves. No one who enjoyed the original cartoon/comic would allow this travesty to happen.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:50 p.m. CST

    still recovering.....

    by Flux_brown

    seriously guys, that megatron pic was a pretty serious blow, i can&#39;t get it outta my system...i still can&#39;t believe that that humongous pile of shit is gonna be in a TRANSFORMERS flick...oh my god i waited 20 years FOR THIS!?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by BV

    ...at least they got the color right. LOL!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    by Frankenblogger

    SUCKS

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Here here NopeNot

    by RevSick

    You can play around with adapting Shakespeare becaus it&#39;s about the words, the words is what makes Shakespeare work. Tranformers is about the look/sound of the robots, I lump this in the category of that revamped Thundercats that WB is trying to get off the ground, utter crap.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST

    This film is on track....

    by RevSick

    To make Street Fighter the Movie the king of accurate adaptations.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST

    It looks like the villain in a Toyota Scion Commercial

    by modlight

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Megashrub

    by Giant Ape Balls

    Why did they make him look so organic? If anything he should be the most robotic looking. Strange design choice

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    How do you fuck this up?

    by tile_mcgillus

    I thought this movie was a no brainer. It practically writes itself. The designs are already there in all there glory, in 2D and 3D. The only way to go this far off course is to be so arrogant that you think you know better than 25 years of canon. Michael Bay is the only man cocky enough to suck this much. Bay I hope you fall down a flight of stairs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:07 p.m. CST

    I can&#39;t wait for Transformers 2

    by buckley

    Alien vs. Megatron

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    AK-47

    by Cory849

    Nah. If autobots were democrats Optimus Prime&#39;s battlecry would be "Earth is becoming a quagmire." He would say things like "Lets sue for peace with megatron. Don&#39;t you know that fighting the decepticons just makes more decepticons. No blood for energon!" and finally "I believe it is peace for our time."

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST

    This is the one thing I dislike about the &#39;net

    by googamooga

    In the old days, when I was growing up (mid 70s, early 80s), when a new movie was coming out, you MAYBE saw a picture or two in some promotional magazine, and if you were lucky, you caught the preview on TV. You were super excited and couldn&#39;t wait. Then you went to see it and you loved it. Nowadays, every &#39;tard fanboy online is a "professional" film critic with an extensive (albeit imagined) knowledge of the film industry. Any film coming out these days is shat on six ways from Sunday, regardless of the subject matter. Then, if the movie happens not to suck entirely, it is then begrudginly accepted by the &#39;tards who then forget they ever said anything bad about it. Like all you whiners, I played with Transformers as a kid, I watched all the shows, and I loved them, but that&#39;s not going to stop me from watching and more than likely enjoying this movie. The designs are WAY off from the original, who cares? They look cool to me. Someone posted a link to that (supposed) ILM transformer test, is THAT what you really want? Robots that look like friggin&#39; life size cartoons? I&#39;d rather have mean ass, organic looking robots, than robots that looked like life size versions of action figures, but that&#39;s just me, I suppose...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay, TRANSFORM!

    by Nodwick

    See if anyone can transform Bay into a form that has a clue. Try by transforming his head out of his ass, first.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Doing G-1 would be a huge error

    by Cory849

    They need to bring something new. Doing what you all want would doom the movie and not sell enough new toys. This thing will sell a ton and if the action and script is good enough you will cheer alongside everyone else.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Exactly Tile_Mcgillus

    by RevSick

    It&#39;s written for them, I mean if they wanna take the first season and cram it into 2 to 2 and a half hours they could easily do it no problem, but they have "they&#39;re own vision" of what they want to do. At this point they may as well call it something else. And further more what the fuck was with that flat faced truck they trapsed out at Comic Con, the liars.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Spielberg&#39;s involvement = big, fat paycheck

    by Chief Redcock

    That&#39;s the motivation behind it, nothing more, nothing less. Spielberg&#39;s a bigshot, and he needs a steady flow of $$$$$$$$ to support all the various hangers-on that being a bigshot entails. His name on the film could result in a better than average Mickey Bay flick, but I certainly wouldn&#39;t count on it. Bay has yet to direct an even halfway decent film, so why would he start now?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    by fluffybunny

    megatron looks more like a metal doomsday, especially that face design, than megatron... it would look lame and way too busy anyway, but calling this piece of shit megatron is just insult to injury.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST

    :-( Sadness

    by mordiceius

    The script makes me sad cause there are plotholes I could drive a peterbilt through.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    googamooga that is fan made

    by messi

    and way better than the crap they&#39;ll come up with here. Yes I rather see that, proper lighting and it will look real. if you want organic robots then watch robocop, but I want transformers. You and the rest of your paramount workmates can kill themselves, it will make the world a better place. And Cory the script isn&#39;t good, even a rough draft, it would have to be rewritten into a new movie to be good.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:21 p.m. CST

    googamooga

    by RevSick

    I don&#39;t think anyone is saying they need to look exactly 100% like the original G1 stuff. Sure make Megatron look more intimidating and menacing, sure thing, go ahead, but at least have him look like Megatron. Most people seem to be ok with Prime, hell even some are ok with Bumblebee, but this design is nothing like Megatron at all and is more like knockoff Bionicle crap. I think most fans want some semblance of G1 not exact replicas. They want to be able to at least recognize the character if it&#39;s called by a specific character name.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I think with the level of rage being displayed here

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Not a Paramount lackey...

    by googamooga

    Not that I wouldn&#39;t mind being one, but I&#39;m not. I&#39;m just a guy who can let go of the past and look forward to a "reinterpreted" future. Granted, maybe my love for Transformers isn&#39;t as strong as others here, but I have no problem with the designs, especially since we haven&#39;t seen even ONE FRAME of finished film. I&#39;m reserving my final opinion till then, but UNTIL then, I remain optimistic, I mean c&#39;mon, this is Spielberg we&#39;re talking about here (and Bay, I haven&#39;t forgotten, though I&#39;ve liked most of his movies too).

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    by Jak0lantern01

    should gather outside Bay&#39;s office in protest. You want to get your point across, protest.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Oh dear lord, this looks like shit!

    by b3mike

    Why the hell does he look like the combination between an ant the Predator? I agree with someone else&#39;s comment, this will be next year&#39;s Superman Returns. It&#39;s understandable to deviate from he source material when you are adapting projects like this, but this is fucking ridiculous. Bay turned prime into a flamer, then Bumble Bee into a Camaro (probably just to indulge himself with the pleasure of parading the vehicle in which he had his first anal adventure), and now he&#39;s fucked up Megatron as well. I wasn&#39;t expecting anything from this turd to begin with, now I&#39;m pretty sure that it will flop harder than Singerman Returns. I saved the picture by the way if anyone missed it. If you have anything positive at all to say regarding this matter you are a plant or just fucking retarded. I run over plants with my lawnmower, keep that in mind plants. Now let&#39;s all rejoice and ridicule this abortion like there&#39;s no tomorrow!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Frank Welker

    by Neo Zeed

    I like the design of his humanoid form. Very menacing. Alien jet? Not a fan of that. He sould have transformed into a large cannon or something. Nevertheless I already said I&#39;ll watch TF if Optimus is Cullen, and I stand by my word. But why stop there? MANY others would agree that other original voices will help ease these design *transistions* They might as well give it to the original voice cast anyway. They already cast Cullen as Prime: the most popular Transformer! What are they gonna do, pay Sam Jackson, Keanu, or Brad Pitt tons of money to play third fiddle. What&#39;s the point? Although it would be "geek cool" to see overpaid celebs become bitches to a 80&#39;s voice actor... But really, they&#39;re better off with original voices.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Looks like Sauron ... Peter Jackson should sue

    by brokebackcowboy

    Anyway, Transformers will be a great movie. Order tickets in advance now, Michael Bay always delivers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST

    I remember when AICN used to not care...

    by geekzapoppin

    They became famous by thumbing their noses at the studios. How fame changes things.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the last posts

    by Jak0lantern01

    I got goofy on the keyboard. I would just love to know if the filmmakers are aware of the reaction to this movie and how they feel about this reaction. Would it take that much time to re-do the CGI for these characters and fix them? Once again, ALL THE DESIGNS ARE WRONG! pfft

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Spielberg

    by RevSick

    You can tout that name being attached all you want but he&#39;s got his fair share of crap in his back catalouge as well. No film maker is absolutly golden. Besides it would seem he&#39;s involved soley in name only at this point.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Spielberg 2

    by Jak0lantern01

    He&#39;s also been buddying up with interesting peeps these days, like Cruise and Bay. Always thought he was a bit more special than that. Hanging out with alooney and a hack, hope it&#39;s not all rubbing off on him.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    googamooga by that logic then you were happy with

    by messi

    batman and robin. IT SHOWS THAT sticking to the spirit and what made the characters loved and relevant in the first place is what makes a film successful. Look at the Spidey films, Batman Begins which is pure evidence. Now look at Superman Returns. Look at Batman and Robin with the Bat nipples. You probably loved them you paramount fuck.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Film maker reaction and intelectual honesty...

    by RevSick

    As to JackOLantern&#39;s question about whether or not the film makers see the reaction and care. The answer is simple, yes they see it, no they don&#39;t care. They are pretty much self felating at this point. They&#39;re convinced their vision is so much more brilliant and deep and realistic than the original source product that they really don&#39;t care, plus they bank on what I like to call the "trekkie effect" i.e. it doesn&#39;t matter what the end product is, just slap the brand on it and they buy it, reguardless of cost. As to geekzapoppin&#39;s comment, it&#39;s kind of hard to make money as a website if you can&#39;t get exclusives, having written for BD in the past I&#39;ve seen it first hand, as time goes on, and the money keeps flowing, and you get asked into pitch sessions, you find you become more and more forgiving. Fortunatly some of us don&#39;t care about that and have a tinge of intelectual honesty left to call crap when they see it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    NEW PIC OF MEGATRON AND HIS ALT MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by messi

    http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2336/megatronaltmodeun6.jpg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    So how did Lucas expect his script to sell, Zombie

    by superninja

    magic? Please stop with your hare-brained reasoning.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    OK Back By unpopular demand

    by Phategod2

    first Shout out to Daddylonghead, and Superninja, 2nd Transformers G1 was more then a 30 minute commercial to anyone who grew up watching it There&#39;s and actual Man who changed his name legally to Optimus Prime. most of the TF&#39;s had actual character especially prime. I never fealt a emotion for a fictional character but prime resonated A character trait that was never explored in any cartoon even GI joe. in many cartoons cool shit happend, and there where cool characters but no one was as noble as prime. and then there was megatron, soundwave, and starscream. one the most fun bizarre military dynamics ever. As far as a commercial goes I never owned too many TF&#39;s because i was poor and Gi joes were cheaper but the impact TF or prime had on my life was unforgettable. Regardless of what you believe about TF you can&#39;t trivialize what someone holds dear to them.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST

    not a surprise

    by Cory849

    Yeah - It wouldnt surprise me if the script was dreck. (Where can I get it, by the way? I read the latinoreview review. Havent seen the original.) but if the script is dreck than that is the problem, not the designs - which, to be honest, look pretty cool. Hollywood summer movie designs always need to bring something new to the table to really create audience interest. they need to push the envelope. I dont think doing the G-1 designs would cut it, especially given that the fan films and commercials with "transformers" in them that have now been around for years. I think there was a creative and business necessity to go in a different direction. NOW - that having been said, if the script sucks the script sucks.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST

    No, messi, I didn&#39;t like that one...

    by googamooga

    Though based on the previews, I was interested in seeing it at the time. We all know how that turned out. Now that I think about it, anything by that flamer Schumacher doesn&#39;t apply to my previous post...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Bay movies

    by Jak0lantern01

    "They&#39;re convinced their vision is so much more brilliant and deep...." I don&#39;t think you could ever go so far as to refer to ANY Michael Bay movie as being deep. The only way this movie would satisfy me at this point would be if the box of animal crackers from Armaggedon merged and formed Ben Affleck.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:45 p.m. CST

    Why anyone thought they weren&#39;t going to be anally rape

    by performingmonkey

    d I&#39;ll never know. Expect the ass-rape of your childhood or you might as well forget caring about everything you dry-masturbated over as a 10-year-old. Transformers, Star Wars...uh, everything else that I can think of...if you&#39;re hoping it won&#39;t suck it always will, harder than a whore on speed.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Jak

    by RevSick

    It&#39;s not that it is brilliant or deep, it&#39;s just that they think it is. It&#39;s probably going to be a cinematic abortion at this point. And I can&#39;t stand Michael Bay anyway, I thought so long as they kept it somewhat in the framework of G1 or some of the post animated film series then maybe just maybe with his penchant for blowing shit up it could be a good popcorn movie, but this is just ass.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    The problems are with the story, the concept, and

    by superninja

    it comes through in the designs. I don&#39;t even want to see them animated.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Phate, Zombie just think he has some kind of

    by superninja

    brilliant point that 80s cartoons are based solely on marketing and needs to repeat it constantly. Why, I&#39;m not sure. If he were intellectually honest, he would just get over it and realize everything is that way.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST

    can&#39;t be bothered reading every post but

    by slappy jones

    it is way to busy...face looks like predator......is this film called transformers or gyver.....I am not insanely in love with trasnformers but i like them a lot and I think they are nice but with this and the fucking redneck flame job prime we are getting i am losing interest big time....

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Megatron looks like

    by J Jonah_Jameson

    Guyver ! Ha ha ha hah. I think this is a Guyver movie in disguise. I mean there looks like there can be a human trapped in that mess. :D

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Why does everyone overanalyze

    by googamooga

    EVERYTHING these days? Don&#39;t get me wrong, if a movie is shite, I&#39;ll say it (Van Helsing, anyone?), but how can you all just KNOW the movie will suck when you haven&#39;t even seen any footage yet? Personally, I like Bay&#39;s movies. Yeah, they have their craptacular moments, but I likes me some car chases, and some blowing stuff up. Sue me.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:53 p.m. CST

    The real question that hasn&#39;t been asked yet-

    by RenoNevada2000

    Why would Etienne send along the pics if he didn&#39;t want them posted?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Megatron looks like one bad-ass robot

    by brokebackcowboy

    There is no denying that this incarnation of Megatron gives the robot a powerful, menacing look. We are in the 21st Century, people. Do you expect an 80s design to appeal to today&#39;s audience? Let it go, and embrace Michael Bay&#39;s vision! God bless you, Mr. Bay.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    RevSick, I believe the reverse.

    by superninja

    Bay & Co. think that Transformers are just giant alien robots and cool cars, and don&#39;t care about characterization, backstory, or a cohesive theme. What they are actually doing is dumbing down the concept, which is why there is so much focus on their appearance, and absolutely nothing in terms of personality and story invested in the actual characters.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by RevSick

    But they think they are brilliant for "figuring out" the concept. I remember them talking about how they wanted to make sure it was realistic and going around to NASA and the military and shit. What I think is happening is that they think they are making a "dumb cartoon" a "smart movie".

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    When did Transformers become a horror movie?

    by cerebulon

    Is it just me or are these transformers from some bizaro cenobyte universe? What&#39;s the plot of this filim? These things don&#39;t look like the transformers, they look like alien monsters that feed on humans by pretending to be cars. I&#39;m sort of starting to like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    that &#39;design&#39;...

    by moodymonkey

    ok i liked superman returns, i am excited (really) about ledger playing mr j, i even sat through x3 and only sighed a little...but THAT unholy monster has inspired me to rant for the first time ever, i repeat EVER. it is bland and generic where megatron should be iconic and menacing. i honestly do not mind a re-invention (does anyone remember how many times this guy has been changed?), but this takes the damn biscuit factory! does welker now have to do all the frickin work?! de niro, nay BRANDO could not make that unholy piece of tin foil crap menacing, never mind frickin MEMORABLE, work. oh sorry, bay only makes visual fuckin&#39; bubblegum for morons....who cares if it shits all over something that actually works? rant over...until i see ledger in &#39;urban joker&#39; gear...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by Jak0lantern01

    I wasn&#39;t trying to mock you, I was just trying to add a little more dig in what you already stated :)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The justification for all of this is realism, but

    by superninja

    what it does is make them look designed by humans and overthought. They basically admitted the concept was to reverse engineer them from their vehicle modes. Just use the G1 designs, let it be a fantasy film.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Speaking the berg please read the below everyone:

    by emeraldboy

    this is from Empire to celebrate the 25th anniversary of Indiana Jones. Ready. Here goes: Spielberg, Ford and Lucas on Indy IV Exclusive: Dream team talk sequel Getting one of the Indiana Jones triumvirate to talk about the fourth sequel is a rare opportunity, but getting George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Harrison Ford to spill at the same time is as infrequent as finding a needle in a haystack under some hen&#39;s teeth on a blue moony night at the end of a month of Sundays. But Empire was lucky enough to speak with the trio as part of our massive Indiana Jones 25th anniversary celebrations and it seems that Indy IV is going to be a tad controversial.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Barf on my cock

    by Aust1n

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    brokebackcowboy...

    by BizarroJerry

    "We are in the 21st Century, people. Do you expect an 80s design to appeal to today&#39;s audience?" The problem is, this Megatron matches none of the versions they&#39;ve made of him over the years. You should make the character somewhat recognizable.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    RevSick they are overly impressed with themselves

    by superninja

    for thinking they can work out a realistic robot transformation from a vehicle and think everyone else should be excited, too. But it is and has always been about the characters.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Helloooo? Fixated Dorks? Are you awake?

    by BillyBigShoes

    People, look at things reasonably: Hollywood is A BUSINESS. This is neither good nor bad, it just is. Studios are not in BUSINESS to make your 20-year old wet dreams come true, they are in BUSINESS to sell tickets and to sell merchandise. Therefore, they are not going to ask *what appeals to the thousand or so hard-core geeks out there who actually know every detail about Megatrons cock?* Rather they are going to ask *What is going to appeal to a WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE WHO BUY TICKETS AND MERCHANDISE?* Oh and guess what? They are going to make the robot that best fits question number two. I&#39;ll say it again for all of you who don&#39;t actually understand what drives the world: Movies from major studios are BUSINESS. They are not ART, they are certainly not NOSTALGIA, and they could give a fuck what you fanboy geeks think. You want art, you get some little indie that isn&#39;t supposed to make money (and oh yeah, that little indie still cost someone money and unless they are working from Mommie&#39;s trust fund they too will have to pay a bill sometime), you want a hundred million dollar budget then you need to make three hundred million in ticket sales - duh!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Now to the matter at hand

    by Phategod2

    That Pic That is the sorriest Design I have ever seen Ive never been a fan of Transformers:RID or armada or Cybertron but there has never been a travesty like this as far as Megatron Goes but to that end When you read that script it goes hand in hand or half ass in half ass I kind of wish that guy "AllseeingEye" was here to explain why megatron looks like something that came out the T-1000&#39;s ass. Why he doesnt have a Arm Cannon. for god sake Beast wars megatron had a arm cannon. I swear who ever came up with these designes and wrote that script did not watch a single episode of TF or cared nothing about the source material, and while I might not have the ability to get into the minf of today&#39;s children I&#39;d be hard pressed to believe that these things will be excepted by boys between the ages of 4 and 12. that they all look like major Choking hazards. I&#39;m choking already. Hey micheal bay, early 90&#39;s japanese animation called "they want there designs back"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll wait and see

    by pelos_locos

    I&#39;m a fan of G1 and the designs tend to be on the crapy side, but I&#39;ll wait and see. I was looking foward to the toys though. If indeed this Megatron is for real, the box of the toy will need to say Ages 16+ and come with a 10 page manual to transform Megacrapatron. And it probably probably require a mechanical engineering degree at least. Anyways, any word about a Thundercats movie?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:11 p.m. CST

    more babbling from me...

    by BizarroJerry

    I expected new designs, but for some familiar elements in there, too. Why is that so difficult for people to get? It&#39;s based on something a lot of us look back on nostalgically. Would it kill filmmakers to consider that at all? Megatron&#39;s very human-looking face from back in the day looked menacing with just the evil grin he used to have. The character made him menacing, not giant, pointy metal spikes and a bug-face. I&#39;m afraid that they&#39;re making this a human story, a monster-movie kind of thing. The more challenging thing to do would have been to make these robots the main characters, and focus on them. It would&#39;ve been a more ballsy concept to attempt. It also happens to be the concept of the source material.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Complaints about George Lucas raping your childhood...

    by Negative Man

    ...Are officially null and void. George Lucas will be handing his childhood raping crown title to Michael Bay in a ceremony prior to the movies premier. And then the ass-raped fanboys will see the movie repeatedly while complaining about anal bleeding. In the end, those same spiteful fans will push Transformers into the top ten movies of all time.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Superninja..

    by RevSick

    No offense taken..and I agree they think they are just so brilliant cause they think they can make these things work as if they really existed. But you hit the nail on the head, it&#39;s not about that, it&#39;s about the characters, pure and simple. As to Billy Big Shoes argument, look at Catwoman, they thought that hunk of shit would sell "it&#39;s got halle berry half nekkid and lesbo stuff, that&#39;ll get those geeks into seats" guess what it didn&#39;t. Look at Uwe&#39;s stuff, he does the same thing, and asks after no-one likes it "why don&#39;t you like it, it&#39;s sort of like the game, only I added titties", just slapping things together because you think it&#39;ll sell to a wider audience isn&#39;t necisarily the smartest business move, sometimes catering to the hardcore fans is what will create the buzz for a film.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    This really looks...

    by TraumReiter

    ...like the Terminatrix&#39; vagina!! Why ist this movie called Transformers anyway?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST

    BizarroJerry, exactly right. There are a million

    by superninja

    monster-movie concepts out there. Not many, though, with humans in the cast and told almost exclusively from the POV of the aliens. That should&#39;ve been the way to go on this project. Why do they insist on giving us more of the same? In addition, the human characters are poorly drawn and their motivations for being involved are very weak if not hokey.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately for Bay

    by Jak0lantern01

    After he is done with the ass-raping, he won&#39;t be able to get people back in the theatres the way Lucas did.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    So if hollywood is a business

    by Phategod2

    And it makes sense to drastically change the main characters to unrecognizable proportions explain the sucess of Spiderman, or batman begins. Explain how sticking to the source material will Doom a movie to failure. I believe this all about Bays ego. The funny thing is This is like X3 in reverse. Bay has been given all the right resources and time to come with a grade A product but because of total lack of respect for the frachise the we get Guyvertron and fagimus prime. Ratner besides his lack of talent had pitiful resources no control and the worst timetable of all time X3 might not have been a financial failure but it was a horrible movie that did nothing well many thing mediocre and even more things terribly. will TF do any better I hope to God this movies opens the same day as Pirates 3. 1. i want to see fall on its dick, 2. I can sneak in to it at the multiplex.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:18 p.m. CST

    TINO

    by Dolph

    That is all.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    RevSick, catering to the hardcore fans is just

    by superninja

    common sense. And I&#39;m not talking about fans arguing over the length of hair and those types of things, but rather catering to the original interpretation of the character. I don&#39;t understand the logic of someone who says they need to change it from what sold it in the first place. As if the audience who was not originally interested will now be interested in a lesser, more watered-down version. This does not even make sense.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    And it would be one thing if the humans in the cast

    by superninja

    were great characters. But if that script is any indication, they&#39;re horrible cliches, typical of other Michael Bay films like Armageddon.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST

    BillyBigShoes you are an assfuck

    by messi

    if what you say is true then they would have continued the batman and robin franchise instead of making batman begins. But they knew something was wrong and what did they do? APPEAL TO THE FANBASE!!! SO SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU DUMB FUCK!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST

    I meant

    by Phategod2

    Vaginatron

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Supe

    by RevSick

    I should have posted the second part of that paragraph seperatly it was more intended for Billy Big Shoes who was commenting on changing it because it&#39;ll appeal to a wider audience.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Exactly

    by RevSick

    The whole point of the Transformers being humanoid is so you can indentify with them, so that THEY can be the main characters not the humans. So it shaping up to be Michael Bay&#39;s interpritation of the Iraq War with the plotline of Pearl Harbor and giant robots thrown in, how lovely.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    a final thought

    by BizarroJerry

    Most annoying here is the idea that only all-new designs will work for audiences today. The designs of the current toys and cartoon are much closer to the old 80s designs than they are to these movie concept. Why assume a concept popular enough to start in the 80s and carry a popular toyline along for 20 years would not appeal to viewers now? I have a bunch of young nephews, and from what I can tell about them, kids today would think the Transformers would be cool even if they used the exact same 80s designs, unchanged, though I don&#39;t expect or even want that. Idiotic Hollywood mentality: "This is a great, popular concept that would make a great movie. Now, let&#39;s change it all." This movie should have been approached like the most popular comic book superhero films in recent memory. Spiderman and Batman Begins while being variations on the originals, mostly stayed true to the original versions, and were very popular with both geeky fanboys and the general public. Don&#39;t see why this shouldn&#39;t be done here.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Originally posted by Roberto Orci

    by messi

    general appearance, personality, and colour scheme are all in line with G1. - One of those fuckhead writers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:26 p.m. CST

    I could up with a way to explain everyone in

    by Phategod2

    G1 looking the same way even Soundwave. Simple have the probe that Teletran1 used to scan the forms for all the transformers on the arc done in 1985 then it took twenty years to complete the reformatting. simple and to the F&#39;in point plus like i said before would make for some funny "what the hell is that thing" moments with soundwave.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Ya the stereotyped characters in Armageddon were lame

    by BillyBigShoes

    That&#39;s why the movie did so poorly: $201,573,391 (USA) Jul 5

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Bay never really cared about the TF&#39;s

    by Jak0lantern01

    That&#39;s obvious. I also heard way too much commentary that everyone involved, from writers to designers, had to be G1 fanatics, or something along those lines. If this isn&#39;t a hoax, I just saved myself money for another movie instead next summer, you know, like "I STILL KNOW WHAT YOU CAN&#39;T DO RIGHT THIS SUMMER".

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    Bizaro

    by RevSick

    I think it&#39;s just arrogance on their part, they think it needs to be "modernized" so that the youth will get it, I think most kids are cool with just the idea of giant robots reguardless of how they look. So they totally could have used the G1 design scheme, no problem, they just didn&#39;t want to.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m sure that if I liked the story

    by BizarroJerry

    and it was well-written and stuck to the characters and all that, I will be able to enjoy the movie and just see the designs as different than I would have liked. But, unfortunately, these designs are just one of many things I&#39;m not thrilled with. But, I&#39;m making assumptions. I&#39;m still hoping I&#39;ll like it and will probably see it no matter what!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST

    oh.

    by Dollar Bird

    Wow. That really looks bad. It just looks dumb. I could handle the new Prime and even the new Bumblebee. They weren&#39;t how I would have done them, but I could deal. Starscream I was pretty unhappy about. But he still was a jet, I guess. Now this Megatron. It really does look like a silver Swamp Thing. I understand the alien angle. I understand the need on the film-makers&#39; part to make something new and here-to-fore unseen. But why deviate this far? Why doesn&#39;t Megatron have any visual left-over from his old self? The arm gun? The helmet? I would have been happy if they just left in his eyebrows. (But the arm cannon would have been the best.) Now he&#39;s just a tangle of shrapnel. *** Seriously, I&#39;ve gone from being excited, to absolute disappointment. And no matter how much they film-makers say, "Just wait until you actually see the movie", I remain unconvinced. If they can&#39;t create something visually engaging (let alone respectful of the sources), how am I to trust that they&#39;ll write something good for these weak designs to do. It&#39;s really too bad that I like the voices of Cullen and Welker so much that I&#39;d be willing to go see this movie just to hear them. I&#39;ll have to close my eyes.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:33 p.m. CST

    BillyBigShoes...

    by RevSick

    Sure the characters in Armagedon where cheesey stereotypes, but that was his own deal, it wasn&#39;t based off another IP so that&#39;s fine. This is based off of another IP and the storyline was based around the Transformers themselves, not the humans. That&#39;s what peoples problems are, that this is going to be 70% human based storyline when it should be the other way around.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    BAY - WHY DID YOU AGREE TO DIRECT?!

    by Dolph

    Oh yes, Spielberg asked you...so you take the concept and twist it into something you&#39;re comfortable directing...an alien invasion movie. FUCK OFF AND DIE.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Well I have to give ya Spiderman and Batman Begins...

    by BillyBigShoes

    which stayed true to fanbase and made boo-koo dough. Good point, well put. However, isnt the hardcore fan base from the transformes just a wee bit smaller? Furthermore is this really that far removed? So they have some more bells and whistles is that so wrong? So Optimus Prime has flames, does this ass-rape your childhood? So Megatron is not a broomhandle mauser with a detachable scope for a gun, did you ACTUALLY think he would be? And please for the love of all that is good in this world stop lamenting that the fucking BOOM BOX isnt making an appearance!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Please

    by BizarroJerry

    no quoting of sales figures. That&#39;s hardly the point. With a better written story, Armageddon would have made even more money. Granted, the studio just liked the money part.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s HEMORRHOID

    by TraumReiter

    not Megatron

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Oh...and all the designs on this movie blow so far.

    by Negative Man

    All the robots (save Star Scream) look too delicate. Like you can easily throw a lead pipe into their innards and seriously screw up their gears and mechanics. They also look clunky and unbalanced. 10 gets you 20 that the toys will break easy and hardly be able to stand without a brace of some sort (or even huge, over-sized feet). Simple designs would have worked much better. Then when the sequel rolled around, you could have more sophisticated designs for the enemy to give them a more oppressive feel. But these designs...they just stink. Like something out of a STAR TREK: VOYAGER episode.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:39 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by BillyBigShoes

    70% human based storyline? With Dane Cook, Tyresse, Josh Duhamel and Bernie Mack? Alright, you got me, now I am depressed too.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, the promise the promise...

    by Dolph

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8rQ6VYJSfE

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST

    TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO TINO!!!11one

    by finky089

    Seriously though, TINO!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Maybe

    by RevSick

    Michael Bay has been watching too much Legend of the Overfiend and has the two cartoons confused. I keep waiting to see a shot of Megatron with giant tenticles coming out of his crotch.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Dolph, that video is really depressing

    by modlight

    what happened? They seemed to get it back then.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    Something worrying from Bay&#39;s website..

    by Dolph

    "The CGI transformations by ILM are looking wicked and nastier every single day." Nastier?!?! This isn&#39;t a guy turning into a werewolf we&#39;re talking about.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Why Bay doens&#39;t give a shit about TF fans

    by finky089

    This movie really has become Transformers in name only. Yes, there&#39;s some similarity to the source material, but Bay and crew have basically taken the rights to this property and developed something almost brand new. Even if the entire hardcore TF fan base is alienated, Bay doesn&#39;t give a shit b/c people that aren&#39;t hardcore fans, or even "fans" at all, will still recognize the name. And keeping the "Transformers" title is all about built-in brand recognition for the filmmakers. You don&#39;t have to spend the same kind of money to inform audiences what "Transformers" are. Just about anyone under the age of, say, 60(?) probably remembers them from some interation within the last 20 years, be it due to buying them for their kids or b/c they were first-hand fans themselves. And, as someone said before, since the studio doesn&#39;t give a FUCK about nostalgia beyond its dollar value, they will always ALWAYS choose what they believe can be successfully marketed to the masses over what could be marketed to one or two thousand geeks.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Bodet, Anchorite, no love for Bad Boys 2 or The Island?

    by modlight

    Come on. Bad Boys 2 has some of the best action scenes done in a long time. And very slim on the old CG. And The Island was good. Michael Bay rules, or at least he did until I saw these designs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Why Bay doesn&#39;t give a fuck about the fans

    by finky089

    This movie really has become Transformers in name only. Yes, there&#39;s some similarity to the source material, but Bay and crew have basically taken the rights to this property and developed something almost brand new. Even if the entire hardcore TF fan base is alienated, Bay doesn&#39;t give a shit b/c people that aren&#39;t hardcore fans, or even "fans" at all, will still recognize the name. And keeping the "Transformers" title is all about built-in brand recognition for the filmmakers. You don&#39;t have to spend the same kind of money to inform audiences what "Transformers" are. Just about anyone under the age of, say, 60(?) probably remembers them from some interation within the last 20 years, be it due to buying them for their kids or b/c they were first-hand fans themselves. And, as someone said before, since the studio doesn&#39;t give a FUCK about nostalgia beyond its dollar value, they will always ALWAYS choose what they believe can be successfully marketed to the masses over what could be marketed to one or two thousand geeks.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST

    sorry for the double double up there

    by finky089

    fuckin TB-delay

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Why Call it Transformers?!

    by The Only Woj

    If they&#39;re going to make a movie about HUMANS with the robots as side characters who, from the general opinion I&#39;ve seen, don&#39;t display the personality characters present in their older incarnations ... and they appear 180 from what they are known to look like ... why call it Transformers. As stupid as it looks right now, and just from the designs I&#39;m almost put off from seeing this ... but if they called it something COMPLETELY different, renamed all the characters, then I&#39;d be fine. If you&#39;re going to make Transformers, THEN YOU MAKE TRANSFORMERS. if you&#39;re going to make something that is a very loose tie to a mythology followed by a very strong crowd, then you name it something else ... or else you get this (people pissed off).

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Woj, hence the chant: TINO!

    by finky089

    Transformers In Name Only. Yell it loud and often. ;)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    In Name Only

    by RevSick

    should be the subtitle to the film. The posters should read TRANSFORMERS: In Name Only!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Size doesnt matter

    by Phategod2

    Why does the size of the fanbase determine whether or not it&#39;s prudent to stay close to the source material. You&#39;d be hard pressed to find a hero super or other wise more famous then Superman When You stray away from the source what did you get. If the fanbase is smaller woulddnt it make more sense to get everyone of those fans in the theatre by appeasing them first. Dont give me that he&#39;s got to go for the main stream first because you could have sadi the same thing to Raimi and Nolan, why can&#39;t you have both. Truth is Flames on prime Starscream Loking ED209 and Megatron looking like Something Johnathon Davis would have a mic stand, does not garuntee mass appeal, what does that is making a good movie, regardless of design. Noone want a straight remake of the Firt Three episodes But damn it show some fucking respect.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:17 p.m. CST

    BillyBigShoes

    by superninja

    With Armageddon, love it or hate it, the plot at least was coherent, the character&#39;s motivations were clear, and it was driven by one thing - a disaster. This film is all over the place. Please take my word for it that the script is incoherent.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:34 p.m. CST

    LatinoReview

    by RevSick

    Just read the review over there and can&#39;t help but cry bullshit, the guy even clames that soundwave makes a brief appearance on Air Force One.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Just don&#39;t call it DAWN OF THE DEAD

    by TraumReiter

    ...wait this was another movie. Someone is probably reading this talkback for Mr. Bay. At the next meeting could this someone please point his finger at Michael Bay like Nelson from the Simpsons and say: HA HA!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Remove this talkback post

    by BrandLoyalist

    I said somthing embarasing in it and it&#39;s full of speling errors

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Ha! Good one TraumReiter.

    by RevSick

    I was just about to bring up that piece of shit Dawn of the Dead remake. And I&#39;m a former Troma employee so I&#39;m generally pretty understanding of where James is at, but that one just pissed me off.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    My wife walked in the room

    by Jak0lantern01

    and I asked her if she remembered what Megatron looked like. She say, I think so", and I then flash the new Megs pic without saying a word. She makes a face and just goes, "Eeeuuuhhhh....." That&#39;s the best that I can describe her reaction. I got the Season 2 box set DVD&#39;s last year and was watching the Ultimate Doom 3-parter. She comes in to read a mag into the 1st episode, ended up putting the mag down and stated how this is actually pretty cool. That, coming from a woman with no general interest in cartoons or TF&#39;s. Hollywood doesn&#39;t know jack shit about its audience. Can&#39;t wait for word from the first test screenings. Producers must be sweating right now.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Crikey!!

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Another huge thread about how shitty the TINO movie in turning out, and will it help? Nope! Boycott this dumbass movie, that&#39;s the only thing that will get these fucks to pay attention to us. In fact, this fucker is going into my Bit Torrent que the second it hits the web. I&#39;ll burn it to disk and display it proudly next to my copies of Van Helsing, AvP, and X3.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Dammit! I missed it!

    by DOGSOUP

    Oh well I&#39;ll just wait a few weeks.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah

    by Jak0lantern01

    By the way, just so no one gets the wrong impression. I am married. I do get laid. I haven&#39;t read a comic book in a good ten years. But I do love movies, and not bad ones (well, unless it&#39;s a GOOD bad movie). Just wanted to clear myself up and not give the fullon impression that I&#39;m an overweight, twinkie eating fanboy with no life. :)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Remember another redesign called...GODZILLA!!!

    by Negative Man

    Classic character, classic design...screwed by &#39;revisionists&#39;. Nearly killed a couple of other &#39;event&#39; filmmakers careers ta boot...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by Jak0lantern01

    Those careers never really did recover fully, did they?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Boycotting bad movies.

    by superninja

    One way to do this is simply to not go see the movie on opening weekend. See something else. There will be an interest, even just to hate on it, but if you wait for a couple of weeks, the poor initial sales will get studio&#39;s attention. Just look at SR.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST

    So here&#39;s the deal...

    by Shepard Bauer

    So this is my first post... I&#39;ve held off on posting on this site but since this show was the ABSOLUTE greatest part of my childhood, I can&#39;t help but be drawn in to participate. Just for you vets, here&#39;s where I stand: The flames - big mistake. Through all the different incarnations of Megatron and to a lesser extent Optimus, the ONE thing that never changed was that Optimus was Primary (no pun intended) colors- red and blue. The flames are a cheap way to make him look &#39;cool&#39; to people that aren&#39;t traditionalists or that don&#39;t know the show - but Optimus is the ROCK of the Autobots, he represents control, bravery, solidity, dependability...not a hot shot with flames... the Optimus I know would never elect to wear flames... Personally, I see why they can&#39;t make Megatron a gun. They are setting up a level of &#39;physics&#39; and growing/shrinking isn&#39;t part of it. Did they need to make him an alien ship...eh, I could do without it, but at the same time, I can see if this Megatron doesn&#39;t want to &#39;convert to a lowly human vehicle disguise&#39; or something of that nature. I can&#39;t wait for this movie. I can&#39;t wait for Grimlock in a sequel. Optimus Prime is my hero and I can&#39;t wait to hear his voice again. To all you non-flame giving posters and fellow geeks, I say to you Greetings!!! Oh and Merick, I typically excactly differ with you in your reviews, but I also enjoy them very much, keep up the good work!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Boycott HO!

    by RevSick

    I&#39;m on that wagon train, start the tally now! I&#39;m not even going near a theater that movie is playing in, don&#39;t want to smell the stink of it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I wasn&#39;t a poster here either

    by Jak0lantern01

    until this turd prepaired for landing

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by Shermdawg

    Actually, Soundwave is indeed in the leaked script. (early draft) I&#39;m guessing you haven&#39;t read it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    PLUTO IS OFFICIALLY NOT A PLANET!!!

    by Shermdawg

    It&#39;s Unicron&#39;s little brother.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    lol - these guys are funny

    by Jak0lantern01

    http://www.seibertron.com/

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6 p.m. CST

    Leaked Script

    by RevSick

    No, I&#39;m going off of the chat from the writers that did not name Soundwave as being in it. So I&#39;m guessing it&#39;s some lame wink wink, nudge nudge, there&#39;s an old boombox on Air Force One gag, ugh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6 p.m. CST

    Latino Script Reviews

    by RenoNevada2000

    They&#39;re more like story-synopsises, rather than real script reviews. Not really worth the time to read.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Sherm

    by RevSick

    Do you have a link to the script I&#39;d like to skim it and see what I think.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:04 p.m. CST

    The more I think about it

    by RevSick

    The more I see the resemblance to something out of the Gyver, which was meh to begin with in my book but some people are all nuts for it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:05 p.m. CST

    soundwave Killed By Teenage tramp and

    by Phategod2

    has teeth I shit you not.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    HA, nice one

    by RevSick

    Please tell me that before he fights the teenage tramp he hits his play button and techno music starts playing.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:10 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by Shermdawg

    The link to the script is in the other Transformers talkback. (It&#39;s the second one on the top talkback list at the top of this page.)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    FAKE!

    by Cuckoorex

    I bet that&#39;s why they pulled the image. Oh, Jaysis, PLEASE let that be why they pulled the image...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Wow...

    by grandpaseth

    You guys take adaptations of cartoons based off of toys way too seriously.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Cock on Megatron = Nipples on the batsuit

    by Immortal_Fish

    Finally, a use for the second half of that analogy to perfectly fit. And I still say Megs looks like what you get a day after your dog ate tinsel off the tree. What is Meg&#39;s alt mode? A disco ball? May end up being a fun watch, but they&#39;ve changed way, way too much for me to give a shit. "At least they cast Cullen..." Riiiggghhhttt.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Hey Michael Bay

    by smackfu

    Eat my balls you fucking twat. As least Paul WS Anderson has the common courtessy to offer a reacharound while the fucks franchise fans up the ass.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Megatron is that you?

    by jegoing74

    Michael Bay you have deceimated the Decepticon with very shitty designs. T!he Bayformer known as Megatron now resembles a Metal Bat and looks suspiciously familiar.... Oh, now I know where this inspiration came from Bram Stoker&#39;s Dracula circa 1992

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    BRUTICUS...

    by Shaner Jedi

    ...the ILM animators will pose Megatron as Bay and the producers request they pose him. ILM is a service company and follow what the filmmakers request.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Grandpaseth

    by Jak0lantern01

    This is a movie site and we&#39;re discussing a movie based on a comic and cartoon. Why should the TF&#39;s get any less respect than, say, Spiderman?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Script

    by RevSick

    Found the link but the script has been removed, so they renamed him Frenzy eh, does we see him in robot form or just here a vocoded voice or some such thing?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    If your up

    by Phategod2

    If you come back a 2Am EST ill give it to you or you can ask around here.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    seriously though

    by smackfu

    Why should anyone go see a movie called &#39;Transformers&#39; that bears absolutely no resemblance to the Transformers whatsoever? It has a truck in it. Transformers had a truck. That&#39;s about it. I&#39;ve got news for anyone remotely close to this project who might be reading this site. Robots that Transform into vehicles is kind of stupid. Actually it&#39;s really stupid, and it&#39;s not going to translate well onto the screen. The only reason people would go see a what is essentially going to be a CGI movie about Transforming robots is out of nostalgia, because they want to see their childhood memories brought to vivid color. That is the only thing suspending our disbelief, because we loved the cartoons. You take away that, and your left with a CGI movie, centered around a retarded concept filled with souless, unfamiliar, uncherished characters. Man, how could you possibly fuck this up? The stories are already there, the characters fleshed out, the designs fleshed out. All you had to do was fucking render and texture them and we would have loved it. But you had to pull a fucking Paul Anderson and spit in the face of the very fanbase whose years of clammoring is the sole reason your picture is being made.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Jak0lantern01

    by grandpaseth

    Who mentioned Spiderman? Anyway, adaptations or remakes are supposed to bring something new to the table. Otherwise it&#39;s a waste of time. Look at The Fly and The Thing from the 80&#39;s. Both better than the original because they changed things up. I&#39;m just saying that maybe the grown(?) men(?) discussing this topic might have something better to do than bith about how the design is so different from the cartoon (which was indeed based upon a line of toys).

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Meh

    by RevSick

    Don&#39;t really care too much about reading it, slightly curious but that&#39;s about it. Looks to me like the PS2 video game was a more accurate adaptation though.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    bitch

    by grandpaseth

    I meant to say, "bitch." Sorry, I&#39;m a bit drunk.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    The Fly/The Thing

    by RevSick

    They were remakes to films that weren&#39;t more than cult classics at best. It wasn&#39;t like the designs of the creatures were even remotely iconic by any means what so ever. So taking those films and updating them is entirely different.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Grandpaseth, you&#39;re off

    by Jak0lantern01

    TF has never been realized as a big screen, live action movie. Never been done. Cartoon doesn&#39;t count. If it did, Spidey was a cartoon also. There really wasn&#39;t much new brought to the table with that movie. I don&#39;t count organic web shooter as new to the table because that change ACTUALLY MADE SENSE. So there!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    I LOVE THE NEW MEGATRON!!!

    by ganymede2010

    I think this new Megatron is sick. I Emailed this pic to the "normal" Transformers fanz at my Job. And everyone said "He looks fucking sick". I&#39;m telling you, this Movie is going to be a hit. I like the new design. Mr.Bay you have hit a homerun my friend. /flameshield on Now I&#39;m going to get flamed from here to Mercury for saying that. But all the normal fans I&#39;ve shown the pic to are stoked. I can see why super hardcore fans are pissed. But hasn&#39;t George Lucas tought us anything? You&#39;re never going to get the movie YOU WANT you just have to embrace what little bit that&#39;s thrown at you(I&#39;m not saying this is right, but that&#39;s life). That&#39;s if you decide to see the Movie. We need to focus our energy on things that we CAN change. It&#39;s to late in the game to change the designs. I&#39;m looking for more action myself. And that&#39;s what I&#39;m going to bitch about.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST

    Doing something "different"

    by RevSick

    I don&#39;t necisarily disagree with taking things in a different direction, have them land on mars first, no biggie, make the decepticons look more menacing, ok understandable, make their transformations more realistic, use more modern vehicles, ok. But to change the entire look of the character to were they are unrecognizable is completely different.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Are people in the movie attending Bot-Con?

    by messi

    they have alot of balls.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST

    What do designs have to do with it?

    by grandpaseth

    Sure, the designs in both of those movies (the OG Fly/Thing) may have been less than iconic, but the designs in the remakes weren&#39;t what made the films great. It was the story.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST

    looks like Sandra Bernhard...

    by lynxpro

    I kid I kid.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST

    They could at least have been honest with the fans...

    by Delete Me

    "It&#39;s going to be totally G1!" ... "Oh, uh, we do have to change Soundwave a little. I mean, we can&#39;t make him a boombox now can we? Is that cool? Yeah? Ok cool." ..... "Oh btw, Megatron turning into a tiny gun can&#39;t be pulled off in a live action film either, so we&#39;re going to change that too ok? I know, I know, it sucks, but we&#39;ll make him a tank ok? It&#39;ll be fine. Yes? Ok cool." ..... "Ohhh just one more thing. We&#39;ve been experimenting with their eyes a little. We added a bit more detail so they can show emotion a little better. Sorry, we need to do this for the film, but it&#39;ll still look fine, promise. Ok? Cool." ..... ..... ..... "Uhmmm, so uh, yeah, one more thing. You see, we uh, changed everything else too and it won&#39;t be like G1 anymore at all in fact it won&#39;t really be like Transformers anymore but it&#39;ll be a cool action packed Michael Bay film and the kids will love it kthxbye!"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Jak0lantern01

    by grandpaseth

    Again, who brought up Spiderman? That was you. Thanks though. I mentioned the Fly and the Thing. If you&#39;ve got anything to say about either of those films, I&#39;d love to hear it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    My point is...

    by RevSick

    Correct, the stories and direction where great in both of those. Those are one of the scant few cases though where a re-imagining as they like to call it worked. I&#39;d add Invasion of the Body Snatchers to that as well, much darker and more adult than the original for sure. And hey, you&#39;re right, the story in the script maybe kick ass, however, from my understanding the script is mostly about the humans, not the transformers, big mistake right there, add to that the extreme deviation from original designs does not bode well. It&#39;s a tricky situation doing a remake, you have to nail one or the other, both if you&#39;re lucky, but you fuck up both your screwed.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST

    and besides

    by RevSick

    In the case of the Transformers, you&#39;re dealing with characters who&#39;s designs where influenced by the character&#39;s traits/personality so the designs are very much key to the characters.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    RevSick

    by grandpaseth

    Nothing but respect for a member of the cloth; however, my original post referred to how grown men--not sure how old you are, but I hope its under 20--devoted so much time out of their lives to an adaptation of a cartoon that was created for the sole purpose of selling toys. Thanks for agreeing in regard to the remakes though.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    grandpaseth

    by messi

    Maybe you were somewhere else but many of us here already caught an early version of the script(which has only had some dialogue revision and some new scenes) and the story blows.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    For me

    by RevSick

    It&#39;s not necissarily about being devoted to the toys/cartoon it&#39;s about being a hack and fucking up an adaptation and hollywood pulling their usual BS with buying an IP and making a movie with no real relation to it. It&#39;s the same thing that pisses me off about video game adaptations, it&#39;s there already, designed and written, sure make a few slight changes here and there, but for fucks sake it&#39;s not that damned hard.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Maybe Cullen will punch Bay in his head

    by dead youngling

    People are right--why call it Transformers? I hope they at least put the Decepticon symbol on Megs, unless i missed it. PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF SIZZLER give Megs the arm gun. him without the gun is to me as bad as prime without cullen. arm gun IS megatron, Bay. If Bay has children, I&#39;d like to redesign them and make him deal with it. ok, that was harsh, and i know it&#39;s only a movie--just don&#39;t call it TF.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    grandpaseth do you attend Flycon or Thingcon each year?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Despite how splendidly those films came out (honestly, two of my fave horror films, let alone fave remakes), they haven&#39;t anywhere near an equitable rabid fanbase behind them that is responsible for the existence of Botcon. Your debate point relies on the original concept of those films to be as popular. Now, perhaps Bayformers will be a quantum leap of improvement over the original concept, as were the Fly and Thing remakes. And perhaps we each need another hit off the hooka.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    How I lost interest in this project

    by Garble

    There&#39;s going to be a TF movie! - I&#39;m there! Bumblebee is a mute muscle car and most of the film is about humans! - Oh. I&#39;ll still see it on DVD. Optimus Prime looks like a crumpled Pepsi can! - Maybe I&#39;ll catch it on cable. Megatron looks like a tin-foil origami piece by H.R. Giger! - Maybe I&#39;ll just watch the 1986 version again.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    grandpaseth ""adaptation created for selling toys"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Oh, so you&#39;re one of those blowhard killjoys. Lookit -- and for the bajillionth time -- TF grew into its own thing after the initial premise. The 80&#39;s were filled with lots of cartoons geared exclusively toward selling toys. Most of them didn&#39;t turn out so well and have long since been forgotton. Few are so popular to have lived on. It&#39;s not because they were just better toys than the rest. Much of it had to do with characterization and story in the cartoons. Yeah, those very cartoons made exclusively to sell toys. Now, maybe you don&#39;t like TF. That&#39;s okay. No need for you to hit TB and piss in our pudding. Mikey Bay beat you to it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:05 p.m. CST

    There&#39;s only one way to save this mess......

    by CloneRangerUK

    ....re-title it Go-Bots the Movie!! Even as a G1 purist, I would have been quite happy to have had Megatron turn into a tank ala G2. At this point, I would prefer it if Cullen wasn&#39;t associated with this goddam travesty.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST

    and why isn&#39;t Bumblebee a VW Beetle?

    by lynxpro

    Did Michael Bay fail to shake down VW for some serious cash or is his knowledge of automobiles on par with his comprehension level about making quality films?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by grandpaseth

    My point does not rely on the popularity of the original. Quality does not stem from popularity. If someone remade a universally loved film in a way that blew everyone&#39;s loads, it would still be a great film despite the original source material.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST

    And you thought George Lucas raped your childhood?

    by Doc_Strange

    Fuckin A, this is a double anal ass rape. FUCK. The team up of Bay, Spielberg, and Murphy should never happen again, nor should it have happened at all.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Rockin&#39; the Suburbs

    by Playhouse

    FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee as a camero

    by RevSick

    Is probably the result of just Bay having a mean one for Camero&#39;s or they just felt that a boy having a bug be his first car didn&#39;t fit, even though at 19 my first car was a 70 Wolfsberg Edition I paid 400 bucks for.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish, once again

    by grandpaseth

    Perhaps I am a killjoy. As a matter of fact, that&#39;s probably the case. But that doesn&#39;t change the fact that the posts on the Transformers topics have passed the 1000 mark. That seemed silly to me, so I commented on it. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Pluto Isn&#39;t a Planet Anymore...

    by Playhouse

    ...&#39;cause they used it to make this piece of shit. Christ, I didn&#39;t think it could get worse after reading the script. Way to be proved wrong...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:18 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s all about story and characters.

    by superninja

    And if the early version of the script is any indication, this film has neither. The Transformers aren&#39;t really in the film until the last 2/3rds. Who wants to pay money for a film called Transformers that is really about humans?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    RevSick, I think people could get over

    by superninja

    Bumblebee being a Camero. However, in the early script, he can&#39;t speak and communicates with humans through songs playing on the radio. He is described as being like a puppy dog in personality. It makes no sense.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST

    I think the point is being missed a little

    by RevSick

    The thing is when you make a film with a built in fan base you should make it with that fan base in mind. They&#39;re the ones that are going to see it 3 or 4 times if it&#39;s awesome and bring more and more friends with them everytime. A Star Trek film should be made for Trekkies, a Star Wars film should be made for Star Wars Fanboys, because they are the ones who are going to give the film legs, not the average movie goer. The average movie goer may have a passing interest, but they aren&#39;t going to go see it repeated times, it&#39;s also how it&#39;s marketed, but you have to have that core audience hyped for it first and foremost then the rest will come.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST

    grandpa, Transformers is a good concept.

    by superninja

    It could be a very good franchise a la Star Wars. It has a lot of meaning for a lot of people. If it didn&#39;t we wouldn&#39;t be at post 1,000 on this topic. Has it occurred to you that just because you don&#39;t care about it doesn&#39;t mean squat in the grand scheme of things?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Oh good gawd...

    by RevSick

    Ninja please, are you fucking serious, a mute that acts like a puppy dog, that&#39;s so gay Sulu would tell it to tone it down a notch.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Where&#39;s AllSeeingEye

    by Playhouse

    Now do you think that they are going to include other bits on Bumbleebee to "complete" him? Nope. That, sir, is a finished design. Ugh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST

    looks ok but he need his gun

    by omnislash 2.0

    leonard nimoy should voice megatron since he a did a kick ass job on the cartoon movie. oh yeah megatron looks like he got mix together in a bowl with alien, predator, terminator, and robocop.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST

    There is nothing recognizable about the

    by superninja

    characters from their previous incarnations except for their names and maybe one or two familiar lines. Soundwave (who was changed to be Rumble, I think) is as Phate hilariously describes above. He is smaller and has lots of pointy teeth and growls. He fires CD disks as blades to kill humans.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    color please

    by omnislash 2.0

    we need some color on megatron to truly get the feeling of what bay is doing. hey maybe speilberg should use ET&#39;s head on a robot and call it soundwave...haha...this way it matches up better with the current megatron pics..

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST

    In fact, the way Soundwave is described, he kind

    by superninja

    of sounds like a metal version of Videoman from Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends, but with rows of pointy teeth. http://www.planetkc.com/rbuzan/videoman01.jpg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Oh jeebus

    by RevSick

    If that&#39;s what Soundwave looks like I&#39;m gonna need some syrup to go with my stack of ROFL&#39;s

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST

    by omnislash 2.0

    ET MUST PHONE MEGATRON...AUTOBOTS STOLE MY BIKE...ET PHONE HOME...OPTIMUS SMASHED MY TIRED...ET PHONE HOME...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by messi

    He&#39;s been changed to Frenzy. But did you notice in the script that he doesn&#39;t act like either Soundwave or Frenzy. If he&#39;s going to be Frenzy, at least give him his funny &#39;dude&#39; personality. Even the line from the original movie &#39;First we crack the shell, then we crack the nuts inside&#39;. All the transformers in the script at like aliens, even with each other, the cool thing about the cartoon is that all the robots acted like friends or comrades and had personalities, here they seem more &#39;robotic&#39; than anything else. Only line that kind of made me feel it was transformers was when Rachet asks ironhide whilst whispering &#39;why are we hiding&#39;.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Geeezzz...

    by MarkoOhNo

    I take a day or two off and THIS happens? Megatron finally revealed and removed before I can see him? I&#39;m dreading to see - this could well be Hollywood&#39;s Syrup of Ipecac - but anybody gotta link?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    PICS - http://servewithchips.blogspot.com/

    by messi

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:37 p.m. CST

    here is the address to this unholy piece of shit.

    by megashit

    www.tformers.com

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    All These Raped Childhoods...

    by MarkoOhNo

    You&#39;d think there&#39;d eventually be a class-action statutory lawsuit against Michael Bay. lol

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:39 p.m. CST

    General Grievous all over again

    by Phategod2

    That what designs remind me of. And thats wrong as stated before the TF&#39;s carry much wait they cant flip around like ninja&#39;s except for maybe rumble, frenzy, and blasters two bipedal cassettes. These thing have the same design as greivous which work well for the cartoon but sucks for live action. which basically destroys eyes argument, They look flimsy easily breakable just live greivous. and the fact the decepticons can&#39;t speak, make them even less oposing

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST

    I meant Weight

    by Phategod2

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:41 p.m. CST

    The "Optimus Prime flames" petition has started....

    by Col. Klink

    ...after all, the petition against the organic webshooters worked so well.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Woah woah

    by RevSick

    So in the script the decepticons can&#39;t talk, are you serious, this is now completly stupid and shaping up to be the worst let down since Masters of the Universe or Super Mario Bros. (tied for worst in my opine).

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    There Goes Lunch...

    by MarkoOhNo

    I couldn&#39;t even tell this was supposed to be a robot... looked like an unpainted shambling mound figurine. Nothing about the design makes sense, much less even vaguely touches on the character of Megatron.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Sorry about the spoiler

    by Phategod2

    but this things got me pissed they dont speak english and..... caught myself almost messed up this crap for those who still dont believe.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    The whole scene with Ironhide was reminiscent

    by superninja

    of an exchange from the cartoon. In a good way. But this is what I mean when I say these filmmakers don&#39;t get the concept. It essentially should be a war movie about friendships developed in the trenches, strengthened by a lot of hardship, and then these two teams of commandoes from opposing factions end up on Earth fighting for strategic advantage. Kind of like The Great Escape or The Bridge on the River Kwai. Told from the POV of the Autobots, they befriend a human or two who get the inside deal on what they&#39;re up to, and that&#39;s about it. The other human characters should be interference, like the military or world governments, not the main thrust of the story.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Spoiler shmoiler

    by RevSick

    I&#39;m not seeing this piece of crap so spoil away, they don&#39;t speak english, so there goes having Welker unless he&#39;s gonna speak freaking huttese.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:48 p.m. CST

    let&#39;s make history and KILL this movie-TILL ALL ARE ONE

    by dead youngling

    RAMBO SCREAM!!!!!!!!! KHAN!!!!!!!!! TWIX!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    They do speak English, but only towards

    by superninja

    the end. And Prime speaks Chinese first, and then switches to English.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Leader of the what?

    by nonsensical

    I want to first say that I saw the images this morning so I am not talking out of my ass. I just couldn&#39;t post this until now becasue of a connection lag and a firewall...... Now: Wow! Color me impressed. That looks awesome! Exactly what I wanted Megatron to look like. I mean seriously look at that fantastic choice for faction insignia placement. I totally know which side he leads... or works for... or something to that effect. Freakin&#39; awesome. Oh, and in case you are wondering. There is no Decepticon insignia on that design, or any design for any of the characters. Wake up Bay, your designers suck. The insignia were not for branding, they were to identify which side you fought for. Sure, your team could lie to us and spin it saying that they hadn&#39;t added the insignia yet, but there isn&#39;t anywhere to place it on this busy as hell design. There are so many people who say that the original designs wouldn&#39;t translate to film or read well on film. I say they would. As a designer and an animator my professional opinion is that these designs will get busy and hard to look at. They don&#39;t have as strong a silhouette as the original designs which proves that they were a far better choice. Oh well, it&#39;s not like we&#39;re getting a Transformers Movie.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    Spielberg needs a HIT like Cheech and Chong

    by dead youngling

    someone have a link to script? also, can we start this movie over, pretty please? Really, the decepticons can&#39;t talk? why do they have mouths? to eat Bay, maybe?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:55 p.m. CST

    the pentagon crap in the screenplay

    by messi

    was bothersome to read, in fact the only human based storyline that was okay was with sam, the rest was very frustrating, and that&#39;s never good in a screenplay, a screenplay should be easy to read and interesting. The pentagon crap remains in the movie, the just finished filming it recently.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    nonsensical about goddamn time you showed up

    by messi

    where have you been dude? you, who hath worked at hasbroeth. Good god megatron sucks balls.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST

    The Decepticons CAN talk...

    by Shermdawg

    But not to each other. Only Brawl, and Megatron speakah the english.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST

    Megatron&#39;s first spoken (english) words

    by Shermdawg

    are to Optimus, in which he criticizes him for using the alien tongue. The Autobots are the same way, but they use the web to learn the language, but since China has the highest population or something, Optimus speaks Chinese at first.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:09 p.m. CST

    See the Images HERE!

    by nonsensical

    For those of you who have not seen this already, I haven&#39;t read through the talkback so I don&#39;t know if this was posted, but you can see the images here at the original thread. http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/showthread.php?t=108803

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Believe me I know...

    by nonsensical

    I about choked on my Jamba Juice this morning when I saw this crap. If I still worked at Hasbro, I would have cussed someone out and quit today. There is only so much shit one person can take, and anyone who said this design crew were fans of the series was a flat out liar.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST

    I wonder if they&#39;ll keep the...

    by Shermdawg

    i-pod and 360 Trnsformers? (I&#39;m not joking, they&#39;re in the script.)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST

    The Decepticons Don&#39;t Speak English

    by MarkoOhNo

    If you&#39;re gonna come to our planet, you&#39;ve gotta learn the language!! lol

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Pinch me...

    by potzer

    Cause these designs are so fucking gay that this had better be a nightmare.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, at first it seems like they&#39;re fighting over

    by superninja

    the Energon cube as a general good vs. evil battle, but it turns out that Megatron wants to use it to convert ipods into robots to take over the planet.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Tranformers:

    by Phategod2

    Vaginatron vs. Fagimus Prime.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Steve Jobs beat him to it!

    by Phategod2

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by MarkoOhNo

    I WISH... even that would be a better plot than this "mystic energon cube" crap.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:19 p.m. CST

    nonsensical, you worked at Hasbro???

    by Shermdawg

    Well answer me this... How come, the nuts were the first thing to break on the G.I.Joe figures? You so much as try to have your Joe do a freakin&#39; Van Damme aplit, and their personl lives are permanently ruined! You guys should have made the waist piece metal. And what the fuck were y&#39;all smokin&#39; with those gawd awful Street Fighter figures??? Ugh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Haha, I didn&#39;t work in mold making...

    by nonsensical

    but in my experience, that sort of move ruins your personal life anyway. Also, weak thin plastic breaks if you put too much stress on it. Still, that&#39;s a very good question. One, I hope they have fixed in their latest incarnations.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah...

    by nonsensical

    Working for Hasbro is the exact reason I get so angry when I see what is going on with this property. They were my life for the better part of a year.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    He looks like he doesn&#39;t care

    by AlexDino

    This Megatron looks like he doesn&#39;t give a fuck. Fuck earth modes. Fuck trying to blend in. I&#39;m Megatron and I don&#39;t give a fuck. I like it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay was tasked with something

    by jegoing74

    He has never developed before. Directing people to conceptualize complex robots. Sure he&#39;s done effects driven movies, but for the most part they were not in this league. I originally posted this on Shootforedit the message board of Michael Bay&#39;s official site. Nelson the site admin and bay friend thinks Megatron Kicks Ass. This is my rebuttal. This looks like it has a resemblence to the bat/demon from Bram Stoker&#39;s Dracula, Directed by Francis Ford Coppola in 1992. This isn&#39;t Megatron, not by any stretch of the imagination. This is a disaster and it&#39;s got a terrible script. The Decepticons look like a motley of thrown togehter designs, inspired by insects/bats and everything in between. The Aubotbots look like skeletal anorexic quasi-robots. You are a Michael Bay friend/fan/web content manager. We are Transformer fans whom are greatly dissapointed with the direction this film. To the COO of Hasbro you dropped the ball.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 8:48 p.m. CST

    SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!

    by tile_mcgillus

    SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!! Don&#39;t read if you don&#39;t want to know happens............. It starts in Antartica in 1890. An explorer sees a giant frozen robot hand, he picks at it and it burns his eyes, blinding him. Cut to desert, USA soldiers sitting around, Helicopter lands, its a decepticon. Detroys stuff unleashes Scorpinok. Military fights these guys. Cut to some 28 year old girl who is a code breaker, governmnet recruits hers because the decepticons were after technostuff. Cut to "Sam", not Spike, he is a geek and outcast trying to sell his Grandpa&#39;s old Antartica exploring gear on Ebay to buy car. Gets A, goes and buys Camaro in car lot. Picks up dream girl walking home after boyfriend is a jerk. Car (Bumblebee, who communicates through the radio) plays love songs and kills engine at lookout point. Sam gets mad at car it turns back on. Drives her home. Sam sees his car driving away he chases on bike and calls cops on cell phone. Sees Bumblebee transform into robot, gets scared. Cops arrest him. He goes home with parents, car is back. He leaves on bike meets up with hot girl. Car follows him. He is scared approaches a cop car. THis is Brawl. It transforms and asks Sam where the ENERGON CUBE is. He freaks and runs. Bumblebee comes into fight Brawl. Frenzy jumps out of Brawls back and Sam and girl fight him with a saw. Bumblebee wins, so do the kids. THe rest of the transformers land. Scan nearest car, become that. Autobots download internet. Optimus tells Sam he has the map to find the Energon Cube which can restore their planet. Explains about Megatron and the decepticons. Sam goes home to get glasses which have map to Energon Cube on them. Autobots hide. At this point you dont see the robots again for a while and all this time we are cut between soldiers and codebreaker girl. Blah blah Blah first one to get Energon Cube wins. Ends with a big battle when Megatron returns (last ten minutes) Jazz is killed. Bumblebee torn up. Sam must take Energon Cube and escape Megatron so he darts through like when he tried out for football runs up big building with Megatron after him. Ends with Sam deliviering killing blow to Megatron by deleting his spark with the Energon Cube. Starscream escapes. Autobots live among earthlings as robots in disguise. I skipped about 60 pages of meaningless dialogue from the pointless humans. This has been a brief and shitty overview of a bad script that reads like it written by ten year olds. SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!! SPOILER!!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:03 p.m. CST

    You forgot the part where Bumblebee partakes in some...

    by Shermdawg

    "golden showers" with the feds.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Where can you read the leaked script online?

    by acroyear77

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    anyone still looking for the pics?

    by Eberts Ghost

    feel free to email me at wavemaker_7@yahoo.com and I will pass the pics along to you

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Is it too late in the thread...

    by TheJake

    ...to say FUCK MICHAEL BAY again? Maybe I&#39;ll just say it again for the hell of it - FUCK MICHAEL BAY! None of the information thus far (script, designs, etc.) leads me to believe that this movie will be anything more than another Michael Bay crapfest with a the Transformers name slapped on it for the sake of nostalgia. None of this horseshit bares any resemblance to Transformers. Oh and to the dorks on the Don Murphy boards - please read this and come up with another conspiracy theory on how I&#39;m Harry Knowles AICN spy sent to infiltrate your ass kissing threads. You fuckin retards. "Unt you cun quote meh!"

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:10 p.m. CST

    "It Came From Planet Cybertron"

    by MarkoOhNo

    On second thought, no... even the old B-rated movies were better than this. But that&#39;s what Megatron looks like. I half expect to see him stomp the shit outta Tokyo. But I think Jegoing74 nailed it. My first thought when I saw the design was that I&#39;d seen this somewhere before. I think that&#39;s it -- Megatron is Dracula in man-bat form. Notice the fangs. Yeah, we can&#39;t put lips on a Transformer, but we can give him rows of pointy teeth... even though it&#39;s completely pointless - they don&#39;t EAT. =P Apparently he bites Autobots on the neck and drains them of their energon?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Man i wanted to see

    by Mits777

    Oh well guess i gotta go to this bad ass website instead http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    I left out alot!

    by tile_mcgillus

    Ironhide trying to kill Sam&#39;s parents. Mikeala killing a decepticon with Bumblebee&#39;s severed arm. The 3 or so times humans say more than meets the eye....shudder. The frenzy/tiny soundwave plane attack. The middle Easterm poor/dumb/hungry stereotype. The ethnocentric soldiers profiles. The TWO lines Megatron and Starscream share. Oh and the main plot point being Megatron trying to turn all our equipment in robots i.e. Xboxs which are shown becoming robots. Its that bad!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:15 p.m. CST

    1st time posting...

    by starscream1

    ... just like a bunch of other first time posters. I&#39;ve been reading AICN since X2 was in production. I always felt my opinions were pretty much expressed by other posters so never felt the need to sign up. (had NO idea how easy it was!!) That being said, I HAD to post after seeing the leaked pics of Starscream and Megs. It&#39;s crazy but, I feel the need to say this. I&#39;m a completely normal guy that gets laid and doesn&#39;t live in my parent&#39;s basement but, I happen to like some "nerdy" things like comic books, sci-fi movies and TRANSFORMERS! Michael Bay and Co. are not only ruining our long awaited live action Transformers movie, they are about to destroy their careers. If they really believe they&#39;re going to get away with SO drastically altering the designs of such beloved characters as Starscream and Megatron, to the point where they&#39;re unrecognizable, without it affecting their careers, they are in for a rude awakening. Many people have stated it, Godzilla 98. It&#39;s not going to work. The movie is going to bomb. Prime looks OK. Bumblebee is even OK... If you MUST make Starscream a mutant, insect chicken looking robot... and Megatron a... a... what is he??? At least give them their recognizable face and heads!!! For the sake of your careers, I&#39;m telling you, this is NOT going to bode well. You seriously need to rethink these designs.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    hehehehe

    by messi

    Vaginatron vs. Fagimus Prime. awesome

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Does sound stupid.

    by acroyear77

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Dolph

    by Playhouse

    Wow. The differences between the stuff in that video and the crap that&#39;s been revealed in the past week are stunning.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Goddamit Shermdog

    by messi

    You hated the batman begins cowl(minor nitpick compared to MEGATRON) and you hated the street fighter Gi joes. Cmon. They were streetfigher GI Joes. I had Ryu, M Bison and Guile, as well as M Bisons cruiser or something. Guile&#39;s hair was bigger than the toy itself.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:21 p.m. CST

    The Few, The Proud, The Brainless

    by quentintarantado

    Well, I chime in with the minority in this case. I like Megatron&#39;s design. That probably makes me infantile, incestuous, impotent and butt-ugly, and flattery will get you everywhere. Thank you.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST

    THIS IS MEGATRON!!! HOW HE SHOULD HAVE LOOKED!!!

    by messi

    http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2552/thesniperzerohl4.jpg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Here is the thing

    by tile_mcgillus

    They are banking on this fact. People like big robots fighting. Thats it. They are assuming that people aren&#39;t going to give two shits about Transformers. Once people see a trailer for big robots punching each other, they&#39;ll be stoked. We are few in numbers and the mass population that made so many shitty movies make money is many. We make movies money like Sin City , Hellboy and Kill Bill. They makes movies money like Titanic, Fast and Furious and Triple X. My point is they dont give a fuck about Transformers. They knew we were going to freak out and they couldnt care less. They suspect this won&#39;t matter. I point to Punisher, Catwoman, Batman and Robin, Elektra and the list goes on.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    I Thought You Guys Were Kidding

    by MarkoOhNo

    He actually causes electronic equipment to transform? Well... okay, that almost kinda parallels the cartoon, assuming this mystic energon cube thing gives him the power of Vector Sigma... and assuming that&#39;s how he does it. But even then, they always had to tool around with whatever they wanted to turn into a Transformer before giving it a "spark". When you can&#39;t come up with a better story than a cartoon of the same name, that&#39;s when you KNOW you&#39;re writin&#39; a weak script.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    hehe

    by occams_razor

    GRRRR! ME HATE NEW TRANSFORMER DESIGN!!!! ME WANT CHILDHOOD BACK!!! EVEN THOUGH MY ASSISTANT MANAGER AT WENDY&#39;S ME COULD DIRECT BETTER TRANSFORMERS MOVIE!!!! ME STILL GO SEE IT THOUGH!!! I heart fanboys.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:30 p.m. CST

    This is Megatron?

    by googamooga

    Holy crap, messi. I would laugh my ass off if the movie version looked that bad. Then I would demand my money back.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Tino Tino Tino!

    by Xeniten

    Thank you Michael Bay for proving yet again that Hollyood, as a creative storytelling medium, is finished.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:34 p.m. CST

    googamooga you fuck

    by messi

    it&#39;s an example, if they brought that to life with better lighting and believable movement, it would look awesome. and the other guys here are going to agree with me. Alot better than your lover Michael Bay&#39;s Walking Chandelier http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/2336/megatronaltmodeun6.jpg

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Megs looks like the Drej Queen from Titan A.E.

    by superninja

    Don Bluth should sue.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Hey, messi, anyone ever tell you...

    by googamooga

    That profanity is the last resort of a weak mind? Grow a vocabulary, you backwards fucktard. If the robots looked as crappy as they did in the original &#39;toon, everyone would laugh at it and it would be dismissed as a kids movie. At teh end of the day, however, we are still talking about giant ass robots, and what&#39;s more believable? A giant ass robot that magically turns into a human size handgun, or a giant ass robot that looks like a chrome plated porcupine? I&#39;ll take the latter, please.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    G1 Megatron would own this Chandelier

    by messi

    I can see the two of them meeting up, this evil looking megatron looking like he wants to eat something and screw with G1 Megatron. And G1 Megatron has that smirk on his face cos he&#39;s such a badass and shakes his head and laughs and blasts him with his CANNON and says &#39;Such evil nonsense&#39; before blowing his Chandelier ass all over Michael Bay&#39;s Coke table.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST

    There&#39;s nothing wrong with the G1 designs.

    by superninja

    I hardly think they would be laughed at considering those body types have been used for years, or a similar variation of. Your giant porcupine, on the other hand, looks nothing like a Transformer.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Googamooga you fuckwit

    by messi

    How do you know everyone would laugh at it? People are laughing at this now. The Sideswipe CGI looked fantastic and that was fanmade. It would work. You need to tweak it but doesn&#39;t mean you have to go the other way. Megatron didn&#39;t have to change into a handgun you ignorant fuck, he could have been a tank or a cannon or something. You think my gripe is with size changing, and so what? it&#39;s transformers, size changing makes no difference, they alien technology, it&#39;s an idea in the realms of fantasy, the realism has hurt this movie. The backwards engineering to be &#39;real&#39; and look at it, backfired. Enjoy your robot Chandelier. Go back to sucking Michael Bay&#39;s baygina.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST

    I Can Appreciate the Thought

    by Playhouse

    I can appreciate the thought process that went into keeping Megatron an alien design. HOWEVER, it only shows to point out how horrible the script is by keeping him stuffed in a sno-cone until the last 20 minutes of the movie. He should&#39;ve been thawed out earlier and given the opportunity to take on a disguise as well. Hell, it shouldn&#39;t have even been Megatron frozen. Should&#39;ve been someone like Shockwave and then they could all be looking for Shockwave because he held the key to the Energon Cube&#39;s location. That little bit could improve the story slightly, if they insist on keeping it this shlocky CubeQuest. It&#39;s not even a good flavor sno-cone...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Giant robots fighting is only cool for about 10

    by superninja

    minutes, and then it gets boring. That is, unless there is good story and characterization and you have something invested, just as with any other movie. You can pretty much make any movie, if you have good story and characters.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Forget it. The humans should be removed

    by superninja

    as the central focus of the movie. That is the first problem from which all others emerge. By having the humans be the focus, they don&#39;t have to provide real characterization for the Transformers.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 9:49 p.m. CST

    If any of you read the script that was shown

    by CreasyBear

    by a talkbacker on an earlier thread, you&#39;d already know that your expectations should be very, very low for this movie, aside from the slight chance of well-directed big-action-robot-destruction. Feed your need for feminine hygiene products. www.obsessedwithSummer&#39;sEve.com

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    Joel Shumacher directing the GoBots,

    by narcosleepy

    with Akiva Goldsman doing the script would probably turn out better than this.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST

    I have all of the answers

    by FookU

    Q: Why is it called Tranformers if they&#39;re changing everything? A: To sell movie tickets and merchandise Q: Why won&#39;t they just give us what we want? A: To sell new toys to a younger generation. Q: Why is Spielberg allowing this to happen? A: Have you seen any of his recent flicks? Ok, I answered that one with a question but really he like Lucas is well past his sell by date. Q: Why don&#39;t they give us what we want? A: Because they don&#39;t fucking care what you want. They are concerned with re-imagining the designs and selling all-new toys. I&#39;m sorry to say it but Transformers = TINO just like Godzilla = GINO. Fuck you Michael Bay and double fuck you Stephen Spielberg. At least Spielberg should know better than this...Bay is a fucking moron you likes &#39;splosions.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Talkbackers (and everyone else) = PUNK&#39;D!

    by Blartifartass

    Man o&#39; man, do they ever have you guys by the short and curlies. I mean I&#39;ll admit, I was as gullible as most of you for the first few weeks of seeing the susposed "Bumblebee" animatronic laying on the back of a truck. But, then I went back, rewatched the "Announcement", and everything I&#39;ve seen since then has led me to the ultimate conclusion: You guys are being punk&#39;d. Hard. Let me explain: First, the Announcement. Blue cloudy skies and a dried lakebed Mars? That right there tells me this isn&#39;t Mars, its Earth. Possibly somewhere near White Sands, where they&#39;re doing a test of the next Mars rover. I SERIOUSLY doubt Mikey Bay would have missed this litle fuckup, or his ton of editors for that matter. Next, is his and Steven&#39;s insistance that they want everyone to see the TFs for the FIRST TIME in theatres. Durrr...they&#39;re still sticking to that plan, &#39;natch. Do you really think their security is THIS sloppy? Please. All these so-called preproduction shots, toy images, they&#39;re obvious disinformation! Remember last year when the 6th Harry Potter book was being made? Millions of copies made and shipped all over, and NOT A SINGLE BOOK successfully leaked until the very last week when the book was due. This movie I&#39;m sure has FAR more security and information control. They are merely FUCKING with you, showing us crap ass images. Just look at the Transformers title on those pics. It&#39;s not even the same title logo design as the actual movie posters! Then, we have Optimus as a Semi. C&#39;mon...again, an obvious plant. Remember Comicon, when they had the big red rig under the black tarp? Do you think that thing was merely for show? Hell no! THAT&#39;S the truck design they&#39;re actually using! Then, the actual Autobot/Decepticon logos. WHY OH WHY would they use the original logos, that resemble the classic TFs, and slap them on overly busy CGI horseshit &#39;bots? The styles aren&#39;t even the same. Next, comes Quint&#39;s interview with Mike on set, where he saw "Scorponok&#39;s tail", and character designs. AICN is FAMED for having plants and product placement, so whose to say they aren&#39;t in on the gag? I bet Harry&#39;s laughing his fat ass off at you whiners, thinking "Man they are gonna be sooo surprised!". Next to last is the "script". Again...a freaking plant! Again, Harry Potter = 1 million copies plus, no leaks. Transformers script = 100 copies MAX, leaked? You can&#39;t seriously be THIS stupid people. I sir, applaud you Michael bay, for punking EVERYONE on the &#39;Net so well. Ashton Kutcher could learn a thing or two from you...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Blartifartass: I wish you were right.

    by tile_mcgillus

    You would think they would have pulled all this down by now. We discussed this earlier with Merrick, look at top of posts for this TB. I would laugh and be fucking excited as hell if all this was a big joke.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    My ass should sue

    by Phategod2

    For stealing the model I left in the crapper. why dont they get a woman to voice that thing it looks kind of feminine

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST

    We&#39;ll see in 10 months, tile_mcgillus

    by Blartifartass

    That&#39;s all I can say. If I&#39;m wrong, I&#39;ll proudly eat crow after I plunk down my hard-earned cash. If I&#39;m right....well....let&#39;s just hope I&#39;m right, shall we?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:28 p.m. CST

    grandpaseth, you think Bayformers = Carpenthing?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Granted, the jury is still out. Yet your premise remains the same. You expect everyone on TB to believe that Bayformers will be superior to the original concept simply because of the promise of a completely different, ground-up re-engineered take on the mythos as were the remakes of the Thing and the Fly. Even given the pics we&#39;ve seen and the scripts we&#39;ve read? As if Bay could hope to hold a candle to either Carpenter or Cronenberg on his very best day? The man can film action better than most. I&#39;ll give you that. But he&#39;s no Cronenberg nor Carpenter. Pass the hooka.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Finally

    by Phategod2

    Something Prime and Megatron should come together to destroy. This shit pile movie.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:31 p.m. CST

    superninja "fires CD disks as blades to kill humans"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Does Clive Barker receive a royalty on that idea?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Blarti

    by RevSick

    That&#39;s some great wishfull thinking, and I hope you&#39;re correct, and believe me the thought crossed my mind as it is a bit odd, but the thing with this film is that what&#39;s leaking isn&#39;t templates or designs from ILM, it&#39;s designs from Hasbro that are leaking. When you have too many cooks in the kitchen shit gets dropped. So while I hope to gawd that you are right, I seriously doubt it.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST

    Goldner from Hasbro has this to say....

    by YourPapi

    "Good Afternoon--Let me answer your questions. Starscream is simply the coolest, most aggressive military jet in the skies. The military has given us unprecedented access to deliver this character to the audience in the most compelling way. He is Very much like G1. As noted to Nelson earlier in the week, the details, deco, weapons, and sculpt itself will change as we move from grey model to final form. Megatron is an early style board. Without revealing too much of the story, there is a very important reason for his look to have evolved from pure G1; although the final look is a work-in-progress--ILM has just recently begun all their CGI development. Megatron has a iconic personality, and approach that dates back to G1. Throughout time he has had a very big gun...."

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Googamooga

    by MarkoOhNo

    "...profanity is the last resort of a weak mind? Grow a vocabulary, you backwards fucktard." You then move on into more strings of profanity. I don&#39;t think anybody could insult you any worse than you&#39;ve insulted yourself, genius.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Hey Messi

    by MarkoOhNo

    Guns don&#39;t kill people... chandeliers do! =D

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    a tiny TF trivia question.....

    by Flux_brown

    are the Autobots and decpticons supposed to be the same race?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Did he Say "EVOLVED"

    by Phategod2

    so one day the human race can look forward to "evolving into huge masses of Shit looking Figures. F that. THe last word i would use to describe this look is "evolved."

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Phate

    by RevSick

    I think he was illustrating a previous comment made before the stuff started leaking, that basically proves that they were/are full of shit or pulling a major prank on us fanboys.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:48 p.m. CST

    I am going to pray your right Blartifartass!

    by tile_mcgillus

    I sit here hoping all this is fake. Check out I said earlier, I basically echo your sentiment. To perpetrate this farce Bay would have had to buy some really expense ugly vehicles, gotten some shitty designers to make these scetches, wrote a script atrocity and built a 25 ft robot based on the shitty designs. I am not putting this past Hollywood just saying it is very unlikely.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee photo

    by RevSick

    could have been photoshoped, it was a very small pic after all.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Blartifartass

    by MarkoOhNo

    You have a point. It&#39;s almost too ridiculous to be true. But it&#39;s also just shitty enough to be real. lol I think we&#39;re all hoping you&#39;re right and have all thought the same thing at some point.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee

    by MarkoOhNo

    I just got back from a walk, a few minutes ago. While I was out, I saw a car and though to myself, "Okay, so they can&#39;t make Bumblebee a VW? They feel some urge to make him a sportscar? Why couldn&#39;t they at least make him look like this lil thing instead of a freakin big-ass, gas-guzzling Camaro?" This car looked cool and yet was small enough to pass for Bumblebee. I found a link to the kind of car I saw, except it wasn&#39;t a convertable: http://www.seriouswheels.com/pics-jkl/Lotus-Elise-Yellow-Track.jpg Don&#39;t get me wrong. I would MUCH rather him be a VW.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST

    messi = you are not a true fan!

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    It was not Frenzy who said, "First we crack the shell...". It was RUMBLE. What a poseur. Now, remove yourself from this TB!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    dudes!

    by Flux_brown

    i really need toknow....are prime and megs of the same race? or are autibots and decepticons different races on cybertron?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Flux_brown

    by YourPapi

    Thats the scary thing...the Autobots and Decepticons are from the same planet and the same race....so why the fuck do they look so different Bay??!! This is a major fuck up, and a very basic one at that. At the moment we have Autobots = Bionicle/Gundam and Decepticons = Aliens. What a fucking joke. Fix it cunts!!

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Pic is GONE...Anyone take the pic and post it elsewhere

    by nomihs

    C&#39;mon, I missed out on this "scoop" and now I have to wait for the next submission and hope I log onto AICN in time to see it before it gets removed by submitter or Paramount or Dreamworks or Bay or Spielberg or anyone else who just happens to ask.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee not a VW Beetle

    by thethedew

    Purportedly because Volkswagen delined to allow use of the car&#39;s design. (Had I been the movie&#39;s producers I&#39;d have then immediately contacted MiniCooper, but, hey... that&#39;s me)

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    yourpapi

    by Flux_brown

    my thoughts exactly! JESUS! man! and y&#39;know what....the silhoutte in the trailer looked just like g1 megatron...WTF were they thinking!?

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I didn&#39;t watch Transformers

    by brokebackcowboy

    So like the Autobots are good guys protecting humans, and the Decepticons were bad guys who wanted to kill humans? Was the name &#39;Decepticon&#39; made up by humans, or were they already named such before arriving on Earth? Did the base word &#39;deception&#39; have the same meaning on the robot&#39;s home world, as it does on Earth? Maybe &#39;deception&#39; means &#39;goodness&#39; in the alien robot galaxy. Is the concept of good and evil the same on robot world as it is here? Were the robots made by a humanoid race, or did God create the robots himself. Or maybe robots evolved from carbon-based lifeforms? Please explain.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST

    brokebackcowboy...

    by Flux_brown

    they were pretty much aliens as i recall..waitaminute...i&#39;m not falling into THAT trap! lol

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Flux_brown

    by MarkoOhNo

    Stretching my memory... it seems like they&#39;re supposed to be the same race, but evolved in different ways at some point in history. Autobots became servants and Decepticons became masters, until there was a revolution which blew up into an all-out war. Anybody else remember something along these lines? The way this Megatron looks, I anticipate him making roaring sounds like some kind of cartoon dinosaur. This isn&#39;t an undefeatable, charasmatic leader. This is something which was unmasked once on Scooby Doo.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Flux brown

    by brokebackcowboy

    .... BWAHAHAHAHAHAAA ... I should&#39;ve tried it early this afternoon. Coulda caught a fish or two ... heh.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Go to wikipedia y&#39;all, thats what I did.

    by Shermdawg

    I watched the show when I was a kid, but my knowledge was hella fuzzy. The Optimus Prime entry tells about the origin of the Decepticons.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST

    Fuck, I almost miss out on the good stuff

    by JohnnyS2

    Oh well. Someone should have it in their photobucket.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Yet more Hollywood over-design

    by WesReviews

    Good Lord. My worst fears realized. OVER-DESIGN. The best ideas are always the simplest. With so many bombs being made today, you would think Hollywood would understand and grasp the concept of K.I.S.S. (Keep It Simple, Stupid). You can&#39;t even tell his "standard mode" and "battle mode" faces apart. Part of what made the original Transformers work is that they transformed into RECOGNIZABLE objects. They weren&#39;t simply "robots changing into other stuff".

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Hold on to your fucking nerd hat

    by Phategod2

    Why am i going to fo this.. Because I can. The Decepticons and The Autobots are from the planet Cybertron They were made By a race called the quintesson&#39;s the Autobots where made to do tasks such as manufacturing and building. the Decepticon were made for war. There AI grew to levels of being seintent so both the Autobots and decepticons rose over there masters and took control over there own lifes the nature of the Decepticons though was war-like and soon they were at war with the autobots, a autobot named Alpha Trion and a device named Vector Sigma Reconfigured a "young" autobot Named Orion Pax into Optimus Prime after he was betrayed by the decepticon he Idolized "megatron" . any more questions.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Do the Transformers have a religion?

    by brokebackcowboy

    If so, what God do they pray to? Or is it more along spiritual lines, like Buddhism or Taoism? Do they need gasoline to run? If we run out of oil, will they go to another planet, or will they be able to adapt to corn-based ethanol? How come they are based on GM designs and not Toyotas? Michael Bay has a lot of logistics to consider for this movie.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST

    phategod

    by brokebackcowboy

    Hey that was actually very helpful. There is definitely a Greek tragedy aspect to the Transformers&#39; origins.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:45 p.m. CST

    Religion

    by Phategod2

    Autobots just want peace Decepticon want to subjugate, They all run on energon which is any form of energy they can convert into enrgon. and there GM&#39;s because Dreamworks is full of sell outs

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:49 p.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by Thenedain

    Sell outs is a damned good word for it, but I&#39;m afraid it doesn&#39;t even begin to cover what they really are.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:51 p.m. CST

    Actually

    by Phategod2

    the G1 Transformers as far as the Autobots and stunticons were many different Licesnsed cars I just looked up there was a stunicon "which is one of 5 decepticons that where cars" that was a six wheeled race car and it actually existed. Jazz was a porche, wheeljack was a Lancia, and Ironhide was a dodge caravan, bumble bee and cliffjumper were VW bugs, ratchet was a ambulance.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Licensed

    by Phategod2

    sorry it late and im still at work

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    re: Alt modes

    by Thenedain

    The majority of Alt Modes have been pretty close approximations of actual cars, planes, etc. Even in Transformers: Cybertron many of the alt modes are based off real vehicles, one is even a Barracuda ( the car not the fish! ) IIRC. In the Beast Wars line they used, for the most part, real animals as the basis of the designs. Hasbro/Takara have generally been quite careful about having their alt modes look realistic. There have been a number over the years based off really far out designs, but generally they are in the minority. G1 especially was amazing for it&#39;s Alt Modes ( with the exception of post TF:tM designs ) with only Jetfire/Skyfire coming to mind off the top of my head as not based on a real design.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Scatman Crouthers and Chris Latta

    by Phategod2

    Are spining in there graves right now.

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Aye

    by Thenedain

    Along with Orson Welles, no doubt even if Unicron ( thank fucking God! ) isn&#39;t in this abortion of a movie. Though, speaking of Chris Latta, wait &#39;til Bay gets ahold of GI Joe...

  • Aug. 24, 2006, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Crothers & Latta

    by YourPapi

    Actually they would probably be happy that they arent alive to see this disgrace.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST

    Spielberg

    by RevSick

    I for one will never trust him again if this is all legit.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Speilberg can go fuck himself

    by YourPapi

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Ok, time to weigh in....

    by Negator76

    I&#39;ve been watching the TF talkbacks, like a true child of the eighties. And even though I may have been mildly disappointed with some of their choices so far, I wasn&#39;t dead against this flick. I thought Prime looked good, and Bumblebee seemed OK, after I got over teh fact that he&#39;s not a Volkswagon... or at least a Jetta. Am I the only one who thinks a dorky car that turns into a bitchin&#39; robot is COOLER than a cool car that turns into a cooler robot? Sigh. But now this. This.... This is not Megatron. It ain&#39;t even close. I&#39;m not so pissed that he doesn&#39;t remotely resemble the old character, but I&#39;m OUTRAGED at what a step down this design is. It&#39;s fucking BLAND. I understand that adaptations require ADAPTING things, and that a lot of stuff gets changed for the sake of budget, script, story economy, etc. But this? This just tosses out everything appealing about the old designs and replaces it with something only a photoshop addict could love. No fucking personality. I understand that the director is a fucking hack, but the DESIGN CREW? Isn&#39;t that the ONE THING a &#39;Transformers&#39; movie should have, a good design crew? Fuckin ridonkulous.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Orson Welles...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    ...probably didn&#39;t even really want to be in the animated movie. Do you have any idea how much of a curmudgeon that guy was before he died??? I have no doubt that it was he who inserted the line, "Your bargaining posture is highly dubious". The guy used to correct people&#39;s writing and English all the time. Welles was probably drunk off his ass wondering what the hell he was doing in a movie with cartoon robots.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST

    ROFL, no doubt Mr Nice G

    by Thenedain

    From wikipedia: ""Welles hated the film. Shortly before he died, he told his biographer, Barbara Leaming, that he had spent the day "playing a toy" in a movie about toys who "do horrible things to each other." He could not remember the name of the film and referred to it as a movie about a line of toys from Japan."" Still, his voice was a perfect fit for Unicron, even if he himself may not have been. =)

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Welles was a Prick

    by Phategod2

    Welles was a prick "I was in a cartoon about toys, that did terrible things to each other" what a a-hole but he did have some Good ass lines "Proceed on your way to oblivion"

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:19 a.m. CST

    welles

    by Flux_brown

    yeah, when you think about.... it...voicing a "toy" wasn&#39;t exactly up welles&#39; alley, were talking about citizen kane here (he started with citizen kane and ended with Transformers the movie, kinda sad):) and I bet nimoy wasn&#39;t particularly crazy about it either...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST

    a Real actor

    by Phategod2

    Relishes every role the are graced to play Im prety sure niether one of them where hurt up for cash or put a gun to there heads to play the role it was a damn allstar cast robert stack, That Judd nelson, O. Welles I dont what his problem was. I seroiusly doubt Nimoy would be such a curmudgeon about his role in any movie.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Apparently Unicron was a little

    by superninja

    chip off the &#39;ol block.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:26 a.m. CST

    What Transformers design should be...

    by turk128

    http://tinyurl.com/j9j9j .... yup, true to the G1 spirit and not marketing at all, nope.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:26 a.m. CST

    re: Nimoy

    by Thenedain

    Nimoy has always struck me as a pretty fun guy. Just look at his Priceline.com commercials or the commercial for Shatner&#39;s roast. He doesn&#39;t mind poking fun at himself. I&#39;d think he probably actually enjoyed himself doing Galvatron&#39;s voice, if for no other reason than it gave him a chance to be quite damned evil... ( not to mention he scores some of the best lines in the movie! )

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST

    Apparently in Japan the TF have human

    by superninja

    girlfriends. Why am I not surprised?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST

    re: Turk182

    by Thenedain

    Yeah, those KISS Players things are pretty whacked. They took the perfectly awesome Alternators/Binaltech toys and added this bizarre, totally insane twist to them for a special line in Japan. Though, apparently it&#39;s geared at a entirely different audience there. One story I&#39;d heard was that the KISS Players line was geared towards girls. *shrug* At least the Alternators toys are cool...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    nimoy

    by Flux_brown

    yup, ur right, i take it back...nimoy probably did enjoy that role...but welles, i neve really understood the whole thing untill i was a teenager, but hell, welles was a hollywood maverick,with so much potential, that took blow after blow, and him doing voice over work for TF the movie (don&#39;t get me wrong, i love that movie) at the end of his days is a picture perfect example of how you should never rub the old studio bosses the wrong way.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Girls that like to kiss robots.

    by superninja

    They must have a lot of those in Japan.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    How Dreadful

    by The Brewhammer

    So bad I am speechless. http://tinyurl.com/zr8d9

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Nimoy always gets much respect, because

    by superninja

    he was Mr. Spock. And Mr. Spock is about as cool as Transformers.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Battle mode Megs has his helmet, just

    by superninja

    like Skeletor in Masters of the Universe.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST

    This design team would&#39;ve given Spiderman 8 legs

    by WesReviews

    There&#39;s a major difference in "Cybertronian modes" and "Hollywood over-design". This Megatron was designed to be "badass" and "eXtreme" and they took the term "alien robot" to the n&#39;th degree. I can understand them wanting to look alien, but damn. This is no different than the "badass", "eXtreme" character re-design that sank Emmerich&#39;s lovely Godzilla experiment a few years back. I&#39;m sure Don Murphy and Co. are getting sick of all the Masters of the Universe and Godzilla comparisons, but guys...nobody is apparently listening! What helped kill these two films is the same type of mentality that has apparently seeped its way into the live-action Transformers movie. There are only so many times the fans can yell "ICEBURG!" And while Don and Co. may get tired of the negativitiy and roll their eyes...guys, NO ONE here wants to see a bad Transformers movie. People are passionate, yes, but nobody wants to see the movie fail. We all want and wish the best. First and foremost, we want to see a Transformers movie. Period. A Transformers movie entails things relating to and recognizable to the Transformers brand. Nothing we&#39;ve seen or heard, other than character names, fits a Transformers movie. So all we&#39;re left with is a "giant robots that change into stuff and beat the shit out of each other" movie. While it may be cool, it&#39;s not the universe we wanted visited in a live-action movie. This is not a universe we are fans of. This is a completely new universe being created and force-fed to us. Which, some people may like and others may not like, but we&#39;re being forced to accept it and tough shit to those who disagree and feel otherwise. Again, I don&#39;t mean to be negative, and I hope my argument has been presented in a more rational way (as to not get banned) but guys, these are completely wrong-headed decisions...and too many of those can result in movies like the aforementioned Masters of the Universe and Godzilla. Where is Cannon Films now? What&#39;s Emmerich doing these days? Stargate 2 and 3?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    This sums it all up:

    by Thenedain

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Bah, fucking enter key!

    by Thenedain

    http://www.seibertron.com/

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    You know, some changes are good and

    by superninja

    some are just unacceptable. Costumes in X-Men? My heart wasn&#39;t broken. I still disagree with the organic webshooters in Spider-Man as well. Creepy and unnecessary. But the Transformer designs veer off the train tracks. The designs are evidence of a deeper problem with the direction of the script and the filmmakers understanding of the characters.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Tf the movie

    by Flux_brown

    y&#39;know, it does have pretty impressive cast, way before it was fashionable to have celebrities voice cartoon characters...there was orson welles, nimoy, eric idle, and judd nelson....gijoe the movie only had don johnson. they treated the material with so much respect in the 80&#39;s when we were just little kiddies, why can&#39;t they do something as simple as that now? #sigh# its frickin speilberg man...i was totally psyched out when i heard spielberg was making a tf movie...it was like two of my biggest childhood icons finally coming together, and...well we&#39;ll see :(

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST

    SuperDuperNinja...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    See I never had a problem with Spidey&#39;s webshooters because I thought that was a damn cool idea when they introduced it first in Spiderman 2099, the only 2099 book worth a damn. I think everyone has to admit the organo-shooters have a certain logic to them even if you dislike them, but that&#39;s what is so fucked about the TF designs. What fucking logic are they using here?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST

    by Flux_brown

    don&#39;t mean to sound like such a p*##sy, but i&#39;m genuinely hurt

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST

    This sums it all up perfectly....

    by YourPapi

    http://tinyurl.com/q5wue

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Gotta say, Flux,

    by Thenedain

    that this is probably the ONLY version of TF to hit a screen ( tv or movie ) and not treat the material with respect. Christ, even TF: Armada and the rest of the newer anime style &#39;toons show some pretty nice bits of respect back to their roots. 20 years later characters are still be designed close to the origial G1 aesthetic, meaning they&#39;re being released in similar color schemes or looks to their original counterparts. It&#39;s so sad that they&#39;re essentially saying now, " Well, everything that&#39;s worked so well for 20+ years is total crap now. Let&#39;s do something wildly different! ". The whole mentality is just so bizarre that it defies logic to me.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the link, Papi,

    by Thenedain

    That definitely sums up pretty nicely my feelings on this. I think the biggest line in there is the one about talking down to the fans. It&#39;s so sad and in a way pretty damned disrespectful to the people who&#39;ve been your bread and butter for so long. Who do you think has been shelling out the cash for the G1 Reissues and Masterpiece series? Tell you right now, no simple kid walking into a toystore will buy them, not for the prices they go for. Only TF fans will shell out the $200 or so for MP-04, the rerelease of Masterpiece Prime complete with trailer. The same goes for the Takara reissues. Talking down to the fans will result in only one thing: losing those fans. At least treat us with some damned measure of respect.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST

    I just figured out Megatron.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Wow, it just hit me, why did they design Megatron to look like a big slobbering monster thing? Because next summer Megatron has to compete with another (transforming) big slobbering monster thing, VENOM! Geez, it&#39;s so obvious now, they made a conscious decision to try and create a monster scarier than Venom because they know S3 is going to kick their silly asses. Hey you fucktards, if you had given this property some fucking respect you might have actually had a chance at competing with S3. You know Spiderman, that movie where they respect the look and history of the characters?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:16 a.m. CST

    Megatron is Dracula from Blade III

    by daelith

    http://www.xivexmm.com/drake.jpg Seriously, I&#39;m disappointed the direction the movie has taken.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:17 a.m. CST

    re: Harry

    by Thenedain

    I&#39;m going to go out on a limb here and say that if they had treated this with anywhere near the respect it should have gotten that it would very well have been one of the summer&#39;s biggest hits. The more I see, the more tenuous I believe their box office position becomes. I should note that the original TF movie was universally panned and scorned by the critics, raking in a meager 5 million at the box office, way below expectations. It was considered a failure and forced Hasbro to shelve all their plans for more movies based off their licenses. Fast forward 20 years later. You know who the critics of this film are going to be? That&#39;s right kiddies, many of the kids who watched and loved the original TF have all grown up and I&#39;m sure more than a few of them have gone on to be movie critics. The chances of them deriding and scorning this movie are pretty damned high, especially if these designs and that script we&#39;ve read are any indication of what the finished film will be like. It&#39;s running rough ground to begin with as sci-fi films tend to not fare well with critics in the first place. Badly done sci-fi films do even worse. The worst part? If it fails we&#39;ll never, ever see that G1 film that Spielberg promised us when he announced that a TF movie would be made.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST

    This movie will do 300 million PLUS!

    by ganymede2010

    I can&#39;t wait to come back to this talkback and say. I TOLD YOU SO! The new Megatron is a TRILLION Times better then fucking Galvatron. And you guys approve of that abomination. You guys are contradicting yourselves.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:37 a.m. CST

    Galvatron was Megatron you douche

    by Phategod1

    Galvatron was a Sadistic and evil as the Original Megatron has his design was a million time better looking then that walking Vagina. That script sucks you have no taste when it comes to competent writing and your co-workers either are say they like that shit cause they have bad taste or are joking with you. This complete project is a complete lack of respect for the source.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST

    Megatron G1 design is still preferrable

    by superninja

    to Galvatron. But then I prefer simple, iconic designs with a somewhat retro feel. I think most modern design is overdesign just like these robots.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t even want to see these things move.

    by superninja

    They&#39;re ugly.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:41 a.m. CST

    300 million plus, eh?

    by Thenedain

    That&#39;s definitely up for debate. Superman Returns, which arguably had better recognition and a higher potential audience base never topped 200 mil. The only thing in it&#39;s favor is that it&#39;s coming out relatively unopposed, unlike SR. I would say it stands to have a fairly strong opening weekend, but I suspect it&#39;ll drop off heavily afterwards. Even giant robots blowing shit up can&#39;t save a movie from bad word of mouth and poor critical reviews.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    Judge Dredd

    by brockbaby

    I remember seeing the robot in Judge Dredd when it came out quite a while back now and thinking to myself..."not quite there..but that&#39;s what the transformers would look like in a live action movie." The robots head really reminds me of Megatron actually. This robot kicks ass in the movie: http://www.podster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/fotos/dredd.jpg Anyone else with me on this?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST

    you know

    by Phategod1

    towards the end of the last TB i started to call G-mede a Bay plant I&#39;m starting to wonder.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:47 a.m. CST

    I finally realized what this is reminding me of!

    by Thenedain

    And it ain&#39;t Godzilla or MotU. Nope, it&#39;s Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within. Another movie that was made because of the success of it&#39;s license, but that then went ahead and changed everything from it&#39;s source. Yes, I do know that there&#39;s a bajillion FF games. However, so many people were expecting a Final Fantasy movie to be based off FF:7 due to it&#39;s enormously huge popularity at the time. Instead, they went with something entirely different and the movie tanked. Pretty badly too, only recouping $32 million of it&#39;s $137 mil budget domestically, and gaining only $52 worldwide. It&#39;s noted as the second biggest box office bomb in history, btw.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    At least FF:TSW

    by Phategod1

    looked good

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST

    re: Brockbaby and the ABC Warrior

    by Thenedain

    That was a cool robot design, and pretty faithful to it&#39;s original comic source to boot. Interestingly enough, the only problem with it was it was a physical effect, if it were CGI it would have moved pretty well perfectly. It does show, though, that nice solid metal armor plates look extremely cool live action. Very sad that those don&#39;t exist in these TF designs.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Can&#39;t argue that, Phategod

    by Thenedain

    It was indeed a very pretty movie. Though, I&#39;ll say that FF: Advent Children is much, much prettier. =)

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Phate, that guy just likes stirring the pot.

    by superninja

    He really doesn&#39;t care either way.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:58 a.m. CST

    The designs are just too literal.

    by superninja

    It takes all of the fun out of the concept. Frankly, I think a little of the cartoonishness could remain and it would actually enhance the characters. So disappointing!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Look up "fan service" on wikipedia,

    by Thenedain

    it&#39;s a good phrase to use when referring to what Bay and Co. have done with this film. Bait and Switch is another good one. They&#39;re offering up one thing to gain recognition from fans and to garner excitement, only to suddenly change it out for something entirely different than what everyone has expected. Quite sad.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST

    on to lighter news

    by Phategod1

    Lets for a moment pretend there is no problems with this movie, lets pretend Sam Raimi or peter Jackson Took the time to direct this, let pretend all the models are G1 faithful and tyrese Gibson or whatever had not been cast. So who should they get to voice Jazz?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:05 a.m. CST

    Man, that design sucks the big donkey dick...

    by KiwiMetal

    Looks like Michael Bay liked the new Batmobile a little TOO much. If they couldn&#39;t do the gun, the M1 Abrams would&#39;ve been sweet with me. That thing looks like the batmobile mated with a spider..

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST

    And At Least FF:TSW

    by MarkoOhNo

    Was being true to the license by having nothing in common with any of the games on that title. Every time anything titled Final Fantasy was released, it beared all but nothing in common with any others. So it ranks FAR above where the route this "Transformers" movie is leading.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Hooray for fantasy land!

    by Thenedain

    Wow... I don&#39;t really think anyone could really replicate the Jazz voice perfectly. However, there&#39;s some pretty fun, sometimes offbeat, people out there who might do a fun version. At one point, I thought maybe Christopher Walken doing a &#39;DJ&#39; voice might be kind of neat. I think that&#39;s the key, though: take someone with an already interesting voice and get them to do a radio DJ/announcer thing with it. Not too deep a voice, though, something more medium toned. Mark Hamil&#39;s a pretty good voice actor, I can imagine he might be able to do an interesting &#39;Jazz voice&#39;.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Religion, Megs...

    by TheSecondQuest

    The Transformers do have some degree of religious belief, mainly revolving around Primus (who gave life to them all) and Unicron (a dark god of chaos locked in eternal combat with Primus). ---------As for this Megatron design- it is way too organic looking. It doesn&#39;t look anything like Megatron- hell, it doesn&#39;t even look like a Transformer. I just don&#39;t get it. At least Prime vaguely looks like Prime. Megatron needs his real WWI/WWII-looking helmet and his arm cannon. It&#39;s not Megatron without those two design elements. i mean, what the hell could they be thinking? That&#39;s about as far removed from megatron as you can get. Granted, it&#39;s more visually pleasing than their terrible Starscream design, but that&#39;s no excuse.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    I might go see the movie

    by Dave The Slushy

    But if these are the designs, I won&#39;t be buying the DVD. And there will be many others thinking the same thing. And that is what will kill the profitablity of this thing. God, hollywood really does not have a fucking clue does it?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Jazz voice - how about...

    by superninja

    Jaimie Foxx. Considering he did Ray Charles, which is kind of how Jazz and Scatman sounded anyway.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Birth Of Cybertron

    by MarkoOhNo

    Here&#39;s a taste of Transformers mythology for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_eIB8Kk7zU

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:14 a.m. CST

    ***** to see the megatron pic email me ***************

    by Eberts Ghost

    email me at wavemaker_7@yahoo.com

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:14 a.m. CST

    re: SecondQuest

    by Thenedain

    I actually prefer the gawdawful Starscream design. At least you can get an idea for what he turns into! Sadly, he might also be the one with the closest amount of traditional TF styling, too, as he keeps the &#39;armored panel&#39; look that&#39;s been pretty consistent throughout the TF designs. By that I mean having solid, straight panels that are part of the TF&#39;s alt mode visible and used as some form of armor for the TF&#39;s &#39;vitals&#39; so to speak.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:16 a.m. CST

    re: da Supaninja!

    by Thenedain

    Jamie Foxx I can definitely picture doing a very good Jazzish voice. Good call on that.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    re: Birth of Cybertron

    by Thenedain

    Cool find. I seem to recall that story being pretty much word for word in the original G1 comics. It was a cool story then, it&#39;s a cool story now. Actually, the niftiest part of that link is the YT link at the end to the fan made movie trailer. Pretty nifty.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST

    My girls suggestion

    by Phategod1

    Steve harvery for Jazz

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Steve Harvey would be good for Jazz.

    by superninja

    How about Bumblebee since he supposedly talks now? Someone young sounding, but not childlike.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    BB

    by Phategod1

    has to be someone with a whiny voice almost prepubescent.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST

    How about Ryan Seacrest?

    by superninja

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST

    How about Little richard

    by Phategod1

    for Jazz of course.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:43 a.m. CST

    thats cold supes cold

    by Phategod1

    what about one of those Malcolm in the middle kids&#39; hell what about Malcolm what ever his name is.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:47 a.m. CST

    WesReviews hit the nail on the head...

    by booster6611

    Just joining the chorus. Not addeding much new other than my voice. This isn&#39;t a transformers movie. At all. It&#39;s a crappy alien invasion flick. It&#39;s ID4 or War of the Worlds (both of which sucked)WesReviews pretty much summed up my take (great post... my P.O.V exactly) So no reason to repeat it. Just hope someone with some decision making ability can read these and DO something (I realize the movie&#39;s too far forward for that to happen but Just have to have hope.) Sorry TINO movie folks you aint getting penny one from me for this P.O.S. The "interpretaion" taken on by the folks helming this is SO wrong I&#39;m tired of even being mad.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:48 a.m. CST

    BB is not really a kid.

    by superninja

    TF&#39;s don&#39;t have kids.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Amen booster

    by Phategod1

    Where Trying to get our minds off everything by trying to decide who should be the voice of BB and Jazz.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:52 a.m. CST

    He wasnt a kid

    by Phategod1

    but he had that whiny little voice Not nerdy just young almost like screech.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    Well, I&#39;m out.

    by superninja

    Nice chatting with ya, Phate.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Peace Bro

    by Phategod1

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3 a.m. CST

    Trivia Question:

    by MarkoOhNo

    How many times does Optimus Prime die in the G1 series, beginning with the movie? Everyone who answers this correctly gets a scratch n sniff sticker! =) You&#39;d swear the sadists at Hasbro & Sunbow had a fetish with watching him die.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Three?

    by Thenedain

    Once in the movie, once during season 3 when his ship heads towards the asteroid and again in the Japanese Headmasters series.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:11 a.m. CST

    3 if you count head masters

    by Phategod1

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Thenedain

    by TheSecondQuest

    Yeah, it&#39;s ironic that the one character who at least looks vaguely like a Transformer has such an awful design. It&#39;s really a case where they shot themselves in the foot by being too strict to the lack of mass-shifting. People would have forgiven some slight fudging with Starscream&#39;s height if he looked like he should. megs, meanwhile, looks like a spiky Eva. An OK design, but utterly and aghastly wrong for the franchise.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    That second time was just sadistic

    by Phategod1

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:13 a.m. CST

    PROTEST THE "MICHAEL BAY" MEGATRON DESIGN

    by sevadro

    Who the fuck does this guy think he is? Why the fuck is this movie even being made? Is it for some new audience, these gen y fucks who think the sun and moon rises and sets up their biodegradable baby wiping assholes? Or is it for US - the generation that actually loved the fucking cartoon and that made it into the multi-million dollar franchise that it is today. Fuck the comic. Fuck the new afternoon tv shows on Jetix or one of those other gay ass newbie cartoon line ups. When I saw that busy, convuluted design I almost threw up. That wasn&#39;t Megatron. It was some alien ro-beast out of some ridiculous Japanese anime. It&#39;s time to bitch and moan until everybody decides that this will be the first movie in history that no one sees on the first weekend out. ATTENTION ALL GEEKS! YOU CAN WAIT ONE FUCKING WEEK. Everyone should wait until the second weekend to see it and we will totally fuck up their "live and die in one weekend" philosophy. We will send a very powerful message to the studios. WE ARE YOUR AUDIENCE. NOT SOME INTERNET CRITICS WHO THINK THEY KNOW SOME SHIT IF YOU ARE GOING TO CAPITALIZE ON OUR CHILDHOOD MEMORIES, YOU WILL CONSIDER OUR FEELINGS. YOU WILL CONSIDER OUR SUGGESTIONS. YOU WILL NOT CATER TO SOME MOVIE STAR WHO THINKS THEY KNOWS WHAT PEOPLE WANT. AND DEFINITELY NOT TO SOME COCAINE FUELED DIRECTOR WHO THINKS HE KNOWS HOW TO SPICE THINGS UP WITH AWKWARD CAMERA MOVES, UNMOTIVATED EXPLOSIVES, CLICHED DIALOG, FLAMES AND SUPER SHINY STEEL. DON&#39;T FUCK WITH OUR BELOVED CHILDHOOD MEMORIES! Thank you or fuck you

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:13 a.m. CST

    by megashit

    I havent been this pissed since nintendo made zelda cell shaded. Anybody feel me on that? Thank god the new one is ok. However transformers is still screwed.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ve been thinking EVAs for awhile now

    by Thenedain

    Megs and Bumblebee would make pretty neat EVAs, actually. Sadly, they make extremely poor Transformers. The lack of mass shifting really, really friggin&#39; bugs me the more I think of it. The whole "alien robot" thing mixed with wanting them to be "realistic" added to these really impractical designs and I&#39;m just left utterly perplexed. The most interesting thing is that there practically HAS to be mass shifting with some of these designs, especially Bumblebee! Little &#39;banded&#39; metal strips just aren&#39;t going to work together to create seats and a dashboard! It boggles my mind.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:18 a.m. CST

    2nd time&#39;s a charm, Phate!

    by Thenedain

    A charm for utterly devastating poor children YET again. Sadistic? I&#39;m not really sure that word&#39;s strong enough! I swear Satan himself had to come up with that one...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Sevadro

    by Thenedain

    You are my fucking hero, dude. *salutes*

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    SkyLinx & A Quintesson Said It Best

    by MarkoOhNo

    "No mistakes! The world needs a leader - now!" "...If this doesn&#39;t work, Optimus Prime will never live again!" This should be released straight-to-video if they can&#39;t do it right.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:23 a.m. CST

    Straight to video?

    by Thenedain

    Nah, I&#39;d say straight to the toilet where all shit belongs. And kudos for quoting Skylinx, definitely among my favorite G1 characters.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Yup

    by MarkoOhNo

    Thenedain and Phategod1 both win scratch n sniff stickers. =D Megashit: I didn&#39;t like the cell-shaded Zelda either. Still don&#39;t, in comparison, but it&#39;s actually pretty fun and grows on ya after playing for a few hours. Can&#39;t wait for Twilight Princess to come out next month! =)

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Correction

    by MarkoOhNo

    Make that Skylynx. I&#39;m always misspelling his name. =P

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:29 a.m. CST

    This got deleted, yet the word fuck

    by deanamatronix

    remains in so many posts. So I&#39;ll reitterate- They made his mouth look like an arse hole.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST

    by megashit

    My ass hurts!!!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:32 a.m. CST

    Dude, with a name like "Megashit"

    by Thenedain

    it&#39;s got to be expected! ;) Or were you talking about the unlubed reaming it seems Bay, Murphy and Co. are giving us?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:38 a.m. CST

    I PRAY THAT STEVEN AND MICHEAL SEE THESE POSTS

    by megashit

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    casinoskunk, yes it&#39;s about giant robots..

    by Lemming

    So why are they putting in some kind of Hentai demon thing? Megatron doesn&#39;t even look *remotley* "robotic"

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:04 a.m. CST

    It Could Be...

    by MarkoOhNo

    It COULD be that this is all just a joke/distraction.... I mean think about it. Bay HAD to know there would be more attempts to leak this movie than he could possibly restrain. And nothing gets better noteriety than something bad. (The average person can name more serial killers than world leaders.) And these designs... and this script... they couldn&#39;t possibly be any worse. This HAS to be a ruse. It HAS to be! It has to be.... It HAS...! *sniffle* (On the flipside, if this IS a facade, Bay&#39;s just made his biggest fanboys look like floppy assholes. lol)

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    2007

    by MarkoOhNo

    Transformers will be released -- supposedly as this shitfest -- and Dragonlance: Dragons of Autumn Twilight will be released as a 2D cartoon. Hopefully it won&#39;t be 2027 before serious interpretations of both are made.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:15 a.m. CST

    *sigh*

    by Thenedain

    Man, don&#39;t even get me started about Dragonlance. That could so totally be made into a fantastic live action film right -now-. To be honest, I was really shocked they didn&#39;t greenlight it a few years back when the Fantasy wave was fresh and in style. It could be so good, so easily, and make so much bank. &#39;course, you can&#39;t have studios trying to reproduce something anything faithfully like the source material apparently ( nevermind LotR and Spiderman! They don&#39;t really exist!! ) in Hollywood, so it&#39;s probably a damned good thing they&#39;re not trying to do it live. Can you imagine the furor that would surround a studio fucking up THAT movie? It&#39;d make this look sad and pathetic in comparison!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Ahh... I feel much better now...

    by Thenedain

    Earlier I sent out the Megatron pic to a buddy of mine who previously had said that he didn&#39;t mind the Prime design that much and figured the movie would be great. Humorously, he totally 180&#39;d that after seeing Megatron. His email, which was a riot, pretty much sounds like he&#39;s going to burn down Dreamworks. Ahhh... yup, these designs are inspiring alright... if you&#39;re inspiring violence and hatred that is... =)

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:23 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ve seen the pics. He looks fucking awful.

    by Psyclops

    I thought the Starscream designs were bad but this is infinitely worse. He actually looks like a bunch of twisted scrap metal with the head of some demonic mechanoid insect. I understand that not everything will translate well from a cartoon or a comic book when it comes to live-action features, but most of the time we&#39;re given a retooling of a character that at least has some similarities to it&#39;s original design. This ugly, complicated creature looks nothing like Megatron. Fucking horrible.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST

    A Weak Defense For This "Megatron"

    by MarkoOhNo

    Stretching the imagination... maybe the situation leading to his being on Earth involved him burning up in our atmosphere, causing his exoskeleton to melt away and warp in places, leaving him this wrecked figure...?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Thenadian and other matters-

    by Lost Prophet

    See that was my reaction. I posted originally that I didn&#39;t give that much of a toss about it, but found the constant arguments fascinating from a purely monetary/ observing stupidity point of view. But this low rent Geiger Megatron has totally moved me from the fence into the FUCK BAY camp. It isn&#39;t raping my childhood, but it is hugely disappointing. I also like the fact that the majority of people seem to be coming down on my belief that it is arrogance creating this mess. But one thing, Merrick- I understand that no-one creative survives in any industry without a certain level of belief and confidence in their vision, but equally nobody can hold down a job if they are so knuckle headed to ignore (if not sweep aside) any of the constructive criticism that has been levelled. Not all of the objections here are "WAAH FLAMES ON PRIME< WAAAH", some of them do actually spring from a genuine affection for the franchise. The most common cry seems to be that it is a fine Alien Robot design, but it is not TF. To use a similar analogy, I have spent a significant amount of time freelance writing. Now, if I took the brief and then went off and totally ignored it, only responding to constructive criticism (This is not what I wanted, in fact it does not even resemble what I wanted) with "Fuck off- wait till you see the genius of my final result" I would be very justifiably fired. I recognise that I do not know the original brief given to the designers, but this "cofidence" should in a sane world lead straight to a P45 and spending the rest of your life giving handjobs to support your family. This is what I do not understand, how is this arrogance (someone said Hubris), rampaging unchecked? There are countless examples of failures along these lines (Godzilla), so why are there no controls in place to avoid the inevitable catastrophe? End of rant. Sorry about the length.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Thenedain

    by MarkoOhNo

    Yeah, that&#39;s what I heard the reason was: Weiss/Hickman are EXTREMELY tight-fisted when it comes to their license. As I understand it, they&#39;re on their own budget - no producers telling them how to make the film. (I&#39;ve also heard the cartoon might be straight-to-video.) If it makes enough money... and if they garner enough respect & attention in the film industry... they should be able to eventually make a live-action version and still maintain control. I just hope this isn&#39;t a multi-decade process.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet - This apologist has gone nowhere. LOL

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Before i begin, let me just say i do think that Megatron does look crap but i&#39;m still not hating the other designs and i&#39;m still going to see it when it comes out; i&#39;ll make my own mind up then. Anyway, I didn&#39;t disappear yesterday without good reason, the sun actually came out and i decided that i should take the day off work to enjoy the one nice day in August i&#39;ve seen so far. Ended up raining anyway and now i&#39;m back at work it&#39;s glorious, blue skies with no clouds, i might take today off too. On a plus note - there is hope amongst some of you; Hairy Nutsack has actually seen what i&#39;ve been trying to say for the last 4 days or so. As long as one person can grasp the concept i&#39;m happy; my job is done.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Having seen none of the footage from this film

    by emeraldboy

    I am not going to Comment. I do however get a War of the Worlds vibe off this movie. Spielbergs mistake there was doing the movie himself and hiring a nutball to star in it.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Eye

    by Lost Prophet

    I know, I was sad looking out from my desk at the sun. I understood what you were arguing about, and have never commented on whether or not they would have worked without a skeleton or whatever. I seem to remember that you are a designer, if you went off brief as far as this megatron has- and dismissed complaints with arrogance- would you get fired, and replaced with someone competent?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:20 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t design anything at work

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I&#39;m not paid enough. The process goes that we all sit down, discuss what the requirements are for our model/character and then the designers, most fresh from University with the strangest haircuts go off and do all the artwork. We then get together and the animators fine tune the designs because there is always something that just won&#39;t look right in 3D. We go off, construct the model and animate it; there&#39;s more to my job than that i&#39;m just giving an abridged version here. Anyway, once my work is done it gets handed to the artists who do all the detailing/texturing. We&#39;ve got it fairly easy. As for this megatron, while i could view the other models from a technical point of view, i can&#39;t actually see where they are going with this design. The spikes and points offer no clue as to how it will transform. I think that, with this design, they&#39;re opting to try and knock your socks off with the transformation and if that&#39;s true it certainly lends credibility to the rumour that Megatron only appears in the last 10 minutes or so.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:21 a.m. CST

    For anyone who missed them...

    by FearlessJay

    The pix are up here too - http://fearlesscomments.spaces.live.com/

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:34 a.m. CST

    Fine, but would you not fire the clowns that did

    by Lost Prophet

    design it (or would someone with the Cartman levels of authoritah do it)? At the very least, surely they would be sent back to the drawing board under the strict edict of "Last fucking chance, arseholes, stick to the brief"

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:46 a.m. CST

    You said it.

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Stick to the brief. You don&#39;t know what they&#39;ve been told to come up with. I&#39;ll be prepared to wager that some idiot has sat down with the ILM crew and said &#39;give me something organic, give me geiger&#39;. I&#39;ve been involved on projects that, when push comes to shove, can only be described as shit. That&#39;s not down to me or the designers really, we just do what we&#39;re instructed to do; the edict that the customer is always right, even when he&#39;s wrong applies to the boss too. In that respect, the only people who need stringing up are the producers. But, that said, while it certainly doesn&#39;t resemble megatron, i&#39;m excited to see what they do on screen, from a professional point of view.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:52 a.m. CST

    So, therefore-

    by Lost Prophet

    the buck stops with Bay and Speilberg. Big fucking surprise. What about the studio? Allegedly they read these boards, surely someone has to put the breaks on somewhere? I actually, quite like the design- but I tend to quite like most of what I have seen that Geiger has done- but it is just not Megatron. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Someone is fucking up very badly, and it is so easy to fix. This is frustrating.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 5:56 a.m. CST

    I think I need to clarify

    by Lost Prophet

    when I said Brief, this is what I meant: Design cool, updated robots that fit in with an extermely recognisable brand and can change into easily identifiable current vehicles etc. The whole premise is "Robots in Disguise" not "giant organic low rent Geiger Rip off that transforms into a fucking Alien Spaceship and so therefore can only be described as, well, alien." Sorry if I am not being clear, I know what I mean. However, judging by what I have posted in anger I doubt anyone else will.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:23 a.m. CST

    No i get ya.

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    But i would also say that, aside from the producers, Hasbro has a say in what&#39;s what with regards to a TF movie&#39; their logo is on everything. I don&#39;t see anyone pointing a finger at them yet and they&#39;re the people who make some of the toys people on here love. Why no hate for them? I&#39;m sure if they wanted to, Hasbro could demand a change here or there.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:30 a.m. CST

    Petition to get Peter Cullen to cockpunch Bay...

    by smackfu

    There isn&#39;t one yet...but there should be. The funny thing is, if we all keep it up, not just this site but every site, we will end up fucking Michael Bay as much as he&#39;s trying to fuck us up. Because while he and people on his team probably don&#39;t read through these forums, I&#39;d place bets that the parties that are investing the capital most likely are. That is to say, they&#39;ve hired people to monitor forums and guage reactions. Placating the fanbase *is* important to those people and it&#39;s become very obvious over the past few years that monitoring fansites is the equivalant of having a massive, worldwide focus group where you don&#39;t have to spend any money on tinted glass and sandwiches. THESE are the people who make directors tack on a happy ending in the last 2 weeks of production because some hillbilly dildos felt too bummed out. And mark my words, THESE are the guys who are going to sit Michael Bay down and tell him to make the designs more traditional.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:35 a.m. CST

    I&#39;d sign that

    by Lost Prophet

    If only for pearl harbour. How about we mount a petition to get current Megatron jammed into his rectum whilst we are about it. Whilst Hullk Hogan spanks his head with a rolled up copy of the script.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:38 a.m. CST

    Basically what I&#39;m trying to say is

    by smackfu

    The Internet fanbase turned Snakes on a Plane into what it is today simply by raising our voices, and keeping them raised, for a long, long time. And that&#39;s a fact. If it wasn&#39;t for this very same shit that we post on these forums (and others) every day, Snakes on a Plane would have been a shitty, PG-13 direct-to-DVD film called Pacific Air 121. Despite what some people say, there&#39;s no reason to believe we can&#39;t do it here. If we can drive a studio to rewrite the script and reshoot half a movie, then surely we can convince them to make this cockbag re-design a few CGI models that haven&#39;t even been officially confirmed yet.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:42 a.m. CST

    oh yeah

    by smackfu

    And we also pretty much made Raimi put Venom in Spiderman 3, something he was artistically dead set against. He&#39;s a powerful man and Sony&#39;s mealticket, and even he couldn&#39;t hold his ground against they that pony up the dough.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:43 a.m. CST

    The difference though smackfu

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    was snakes on a plane was in production limbo for a while. This movie is well into production. I don&#39;t see them changing anything now.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:47 a.m. CST

    the other difference is

    by Lost Prophet

    that so far Snakes hasn&#39;t pulled that much money. Which pretty much shits on any delusion of power a fan base may have. Also, Eye- I know no-one has taken Hasbro to task as of yet, but I am sure they will.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Yeah, it looks like they had the right idea...

    by Dolph

    ...for this movie for a while. Spielberg&#39;s to blame too - he wanted Bay for this project. And this is what we get.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    And it was Spielberg who wanted to...

    by Dolph

    ...play up the alien aspect. Simply recycling past glories under a new name.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Here&#39;s the link to the meg pics

    by Ricky Henderson

    http://www.filmwad.com/first-pics-of-megatron-946-p.html

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 7:10 a.m. CST

    "Megatron 101" for Bay and Co.

    by Kneon

    Transformers fan site seibertron.com has posted a "complete idiot&#39;s guide" to Megatron on their homepage. Funny!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 7:33 a.m. CST

    TINO indeed...

    by Delete Me

    Does this sound familiar? "When Tristar obtained the rights to make an American Godzilla film from Toho in 1992, they were originally going to create a monster that paid homage to the Japanese original. However, once Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich signed on to produce/direct, all that pretty much went out the window."

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I posted about Speilberg having lost it directorially

    by Lost Prophet

    above, but that is nothing compared to his producer credits. Look at some of his most recent abominations: The Legend of Zorro, Memoirs of a Geisha- complete with chinese casting! which, now I think about it is not dissimilar to this. Evolution. The 21st century has seen him produce 1 gem and a whole realm of utter shite. Having him produce shows that he has no intention of reining in Bay&#39;s worst ego tendencies. The Result: vaginatron, optimus pimp and the battle for Bay&#39;s arse.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Still Rolling

    by Jak0lantern01

    Good to see the troops at work, heh. I liked what sevadro had to say about spoiling their first weekend box office. Has a movie ever been successfully boycotted aside from Ford Fairlane? Can WE put the screws to the filmmakers by not ponying up our hard earned cash for a movie that does not truly represent its title? Funny thing, they&#39;re making it sound like the transformations themselves are going to be the highlight of this movie. How about CHARACTER? The transformations should be could, but they&#39;re not going to carry any movie. Also, face it, the shooting script is in place and that cannot be changed, aside from minor reshoots. What can be changed are the robot designs. It&#39;s obvious this will be a CG heavy flick, things can be changed. At the very least, if they correct the characters, the worst thing that will happen is that you&#39;ll get something slightly better than Fantastic Four and it will make enough $$$ to film a better sequel. Yeah, I do have hope that FF2 will be better than one. At least FF1 had fairly likeable characters (Doom aside).

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Spielberg and his directors

    by brokebackcowboy

    Spielberg, as producer, has always worked with a wide range of directors. For God&#39;s sake, just look at the man&#39;s filmography on IMDB and it&#39;s amazing what he has accomplished. Is he the most prolific person in Hollywood history? His directorial skills are still superb - Munich is an engaging film that just needed some additional scenes to flesh out the weaker parts, and perhaps some better editing. WotW has its flaws, but you can&#39;t tell me (honestly) you weren&#39;t blown away the first time you saw the tripods attack. And the scene where they drove down the road in one long shot. Even in the age of CGI, seen everything ... that still has an amazing &#39;how the hell did they do that&#39; vibe.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Spielberg should direct the next FF

    by brokebackcowboy

    I want Spielberg to bring Galactus to the screen. But no purple ... maybe a nice shade of mauve or lavender.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I disagree brokeback

    by Lost Prophet

    he is indeed prolific, but don&#39;t mistake quantity for quality. Munich was great- but look at the huge amount of shit he has produced. War of the Worlds was crap, Minority Report, The Terminal and Catch Me If You Can were very mediocre. AI and the Lost World were dreadful. Saving Private Ryan was directorially brilliant, but a flawed film, and Amistad was mediocre. This takes you all the way back to Schindler&#39;s List. Before that: Jurassic Park was technologically grounbreaking but not a great film, and Hook is one of the worst films ever made. I would put his decline beginning at the colour purple. It is a pretty depressing downward spiral punctuated with moments of unquestionable brilliance that just remind me of what he is capable of when on form. I think that he has always had evident flaws: a proclivity for nauseating cute kids to be cast, over sentimentality, oscar fishing, bloatedness, ridiculous belief in star power (who wants to watch tom hanks, Leonardo di caprio, let alone Xenu cruise in a Speilberg movie. Do they add anything? I would argue that they do not.) However, the quality of output before that is so exceptional I always watch his films. As a producer as I said, it is even more patchy.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    I disagree Lost Prophet

    by mordiceius

    You are not seeing the difference between opinion and fact. You think all those movies are flawed. I know many people that loved them. Personally of the ones you listed I love Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, Jurassic Park, Lost World, and Hook. When you say "It is not a great film" that is just your opinion and not everyone would agree with you.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    OK fair enough

    by Lost Prophet

    It is just my opinion, and I did try to be fair. I am just trying to highlight the difference between his pre 1990 record and after. For the record, I still think that he is one of the greatest that ever lived, and although I (personally) find SPR, MR, flawed, I gladly recognise the fact that the normandy landings in SPR are pretty much without equal. I do, however, despise the Lost World and Hook with a real passion, but I am prepared to be flamed for that, I am not alone in thinking his post 1990 output is no match for beforehand, and it is not exactly a decline of Carpenter proportions, but it is a decline nonetheless.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    To SCREW BAY WE NEED THIS...

    by dead youngling

    someone to go around and collect all links to his and steven&#39;s, plus hasbro&#39;s messageboards. even the companies investing in the movie. Flood their boards/email like we&#39;re doing here. if you want it done right, we better start now.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    This isn&#39;t over...

    by tile_mcgillus

    Wait til they release pictures of Jazz, Ironhide, Ratchet, Devastator, Boncrusher, Frenzy, Brawl...the suckiness has only just begun.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST

    No, it&#39;s not over

    by Jak0lantern01

    but I don&#39;t think any more lousy TF pics are going to make a difference. Meg&#39;s was the icing on the cake, the straw that broke the camel&#39;s back, etc. I&#39;m personally boycotting until this is either fixed or proven to be a hoax. Then there&#39;s the whole script issue. Funny thing is that when the movie bombs, they&#39;ll blame people like us for giving the movie bad advance word of mouth. Well, yeah.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST

    Megatron Pics

    by mondoz2

    Are the megatron pics hosted anywhere else besides the filmwad site? Work is blocking the site on claims of &#39;Adult Content&#39;...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:34 a.m. CST

    My opinion

    by mordiceius

    Wow, I may get flamed for this, but I think some people take films too serious. It seems like people today want films to give them some prolific experience and if they do not receive that then the movie must be shitty. I do not go to movies to pick apart everything that is wrong with it (like it seems many here do). I go to be entertained. I bet 99% of the people here HATED Alien vs. Predator. I loved it. There was aliens, predators, fighting, carnage and death. It really entertained me. Was it a good movie? No, but it was entertaining. Was it true to the original AvP? No, but damn if I wouldn&#39;t watch it again for the action. When I watch a movie, I want to be able to turn my mind off and just be mindlessly entertained. Sure I enjoy the prolific movies here and there. I&#39;m WTFEXCITED for The Fountain. The thing is, so what if your &#39;vision&#39; of transformers is getting screwed up this is not the original Transformers. This is Michael Bay&#39;s Transformers just as the Lord of the Rings was Peter Jackson&#39;s Lord of the Rings. They are taking the original and doing it in their own vision. How about you go do your vision of Transformers and then we&#39;ll just all sit here and bitch about everything you did wrong.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s like that twat at WB

    by Lost Prophet

    who actually had the audacity to blame the audience for not spending their hard earned cash on their tepid summer offerings. Bay will pull this in a futile attempt to disguise his utter hackery. BUT WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE FOOLED BY A SHIT FILM IN DISGUISE.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Suspicions about Spielberg...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I&#39;m beginning to suspect that he is very "hands-off" as a producer. I&#39;ve got a feeling that Murphy/Desanto/Bay are making the major decisions and Spielberg just chimes in on his speakerphone: "Yeah, that&#39;s great guys!". The guy who runs that Spielberg fansite did an interview with him and asked about the TF movie. All he said was that he had seen some dailies (which looked amazing) but had not seen any design work or FX. I&#39;m beginning to feel that he is attached to this film only by name because it&#39;s a movie he would have liked to have made if he had the time.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m saying the suckiness isn&#39;t done

    by tile_mcgillus

    I mean it can&#39;t really get any worse...can it? Well unless Ironhide is a female robot with a taste for strawberry yogurt and devastator is a kid looking for his bike in pike spandex...that might be worse....no not really. At this point its over. Im saying that the rest of the robots are bound to be just as bad.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST

    mordiceius

    by Jak0lantern01

    Sorry, but you&#39;re correct about being flamed. There was an extensive talkback about the pre-Megatron pics that were released and it turned into a rather lengthy thread. One issue that got brought up was the notion that these films are being pandered to the lowest common denominator. Not the core fans, but the pimp my ride, reality TV, oohh it has big explosions, hot cars and hotter women crowd. Basically, brain dead entertainment with a serious lack of depth and respect for the property that it is based on. Like AvP, which was a painfully lame movie with nothing going for it. You may have liked it, but some people here actually enjoy good, well-made movies that have more going for them than good, gimmicky action sequences. Sorry, but that&#39;s the truth. Harry Knowles is a FILM guy and created a site for people who like film. Of course, he has shown some poor judgements in the past, and we all have our guilty pleasures, but don&#39;t tell people who like GOOD movies that they are taking this too seriously. We have to pay to see these movies, and it&#39;s not cheap. No one wants to waste their time and money for something that truly will be deemed and inferior product that spits in the face of the fan base. Thank you for your time.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Who gives a shit? It&#39;s gonna ROCK!!

    by magnius

    About accuracy...if this was 100% loyal to the comics/cartoons you would have to accept a small handgun or Walkman turning into a 40 foot high robot!! ALL of the Transformers have changed appearance over the last 20 odd years...Megatron became Galvatron for Christ sake!! This film is gonna be great..the designs are great...you are all going to see it and love it anyway...so shut up and stop moaning!!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST

    mordicieus

    by Lost Prophet

    I understand now. You are literally part of the masses that turns their brain off and swallows any old crap pushed at them with a big smile. Well, you keep enjoying your shit sandwiches, and the rest of us will keep lamenting the decline in cinema. At least now I know who to blame for mediocre summer releases such as the ones we have endured this year. BTW- you can&#39;t have a prolific experience. I don&#39;t know what you mean, but prolific is the wrong word.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:14 a.m. CST

    same goes to you magnius

    by Lost Prophet

    either that or you are a plant. Either way, thanks for posting, now fuck off

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Jak0lantern01

    It sounds like you echo my sentiment about the decline of good, quality cinema. It&#39;s a shame that we&#39;re long past the days of Jaws, The Godfather, Close Encounters, etc. Popcorn flicks with a soul. Even if TF&#39;s has a record breaking opening weekend, which I seriously doubt at this point, it will be quickly forgotten alongside the piles of Godzilla &#39;98, Avengers, Battlefield Earth and every other flashy yet generic crapfest spawned from the ultra-creative minds of Hollywood directors and their meddling producers.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Prolific Experience

    by mordiceius

    prolific adj 1: intellectually productive; "a prolific writer"; Thank you and good night. And now you can fuck off. :-D

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Decline of Good Cinema

    by mordiceius

    I do not disagree that there is a decline of good cinema and everything nowadays is just cookiecutter of everything that has already been. I remember back when I was a young young kid and my parents would go and take me to see a cartoon in the theaters. That was back when cartoon movies came out maybe once or twice a YEAR, to see one was a big experience because they were so rare. And more often than not, they were of quality because when it takes so long to put them out and they&#39;re so rare, people put the extra effort into it. Nowadays you&#39;ll see multiple cartoon movies in theaters at the same time. It is all due to the progression of technology. In today&#39;s world it is not hard to make a movie so everyone feels like they should do it. Everyone has their own vision, do I agree with most of them? No, but I am not going to be able to stop is so I have learned to just turn my brain off and learn to enjoy it. Still, you&#39;ll never see me watching movies like "Little Man" or "White Chicks". I do still have SOME standards.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    My Requirements for a Transformers Movie

    by mordiceius

    - The Autobots lead by Optimus Prime - The Decepticons lead by Megatron - The Autobots and Decepticons changing from robot to vehicle form and back again - The Autobots and Decepticons beating the crap out of each ot her. I am receiving all of that. I will see this movie.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Prolific

    by Lost Prophet

    of a plant, animal, or person) producing much fruit or foliage or many offspring : in captivity, tigers are prolific breeders. See note at fertile .

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Show of hands, how many of you actually CRIED...

    by rev_skarekroe

    ...when you saw this? OK, if your raising your hand, kick yourself in the nuts for me.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Wow this thread just became suck.

    by tile_mcgillus

    Wow. rev_skarekroe, mordiceius, magnius you guys are fucking sweet. I mean lowering your standards to such a low point that you enjoyed AVP. Thats impressive. Taking time out of your Fantasy Football league to come to AICN and make fun of people who enjoy cinema/geekdom...well played. I have to apologize to you guys for having standards and enjoying geek sheik. My bad.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    They should&#39;ve let me redesign Meg... I

    by Ghostball

    (See Obliterator yeah I know, he ain&#39;t boxy but I can do boxy, the offer&#39;s still open, Mike...) http://members.lycos.co.uk/michaelfuture/hpbimg/ENSEMBLE%20NEW%2002.jpg

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11 a.m. CST

    Fantasy Football

    by mordiceius

    For the record. I hate it. I have D&D sessions weekly. I am a computer programmer for the air force. I just hate when people will constantly bitch about something "Oh yeah! This is a tragic! We should not let this go through! Lets do something about it!" "Okay, lets bitch about it all day and talk shit about how crappy these people are!" "Excellent idea!" It just makes me want to play devils advocate.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST

    Right on mcgillus!

    by Flux_brown

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    It&#39;s better than saying the designs

    by Jak0lantern01

    are good or saying nothing at all. At the very least, it has to make filmmakers worry when they get hit with a flood of negativity regarding their multi-million dollar project. If this turns out to be another GINO, it will be very difficult for Bay to recover. I&#39;m sure Bay would snicker at such a statement, but The Island tanked and two in a row is not going to help. Especially when you&#39;re dealing with a franchise that has an already built in audience.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Furthermore Mordy

    by Lost Prophet

    The mediocre shit being turned out has nothing to do with the march of rechnology. It is down to shoddy writing and a (proven correct) belief that the masses will "just turn my brain off and learn to enjoy it". Which is why I thank you. I don&#39;t pay to see most of the stuff I see as handing over

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    typo central EDIT BUTTON

    by Lost Prophet

    sorry all, that was incoherent.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:26 a.m. CST

    mordiceius, RE: "doing something"

    by Nodwick

    Believe it or not, this IS doing something. I was able to get into the Gotham party at SDCC this year, and several producers/directors were present. Among other things, they noted that a ton of their peers read talkbacks in places like AICN. Granted, they have their "juvenile filters" on, but if 4 out of 5 major websites say that an aspect of one&#39;s movie sucks, it might be worth looking in to. Call it the "Phantom Menace" effect.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    And to be fair to George Lucas......

    by Jak0lantern01

    Despite the fact that he initially said that he had to make HIS movies, he did end up listening to fans more and more as the prequels progressed. Whether or not the results pleased you, the 2nd and 3rd prequel are never quite as lambasted as TPM. I have to admit, though, that aside from the Jar Jar stuff and a bit of miscasting, I like the movie.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST

    no, those prequels were rotten

    by Lost Prophet

    They did improve, but I still think Haydn Christianssen (can&#39;t spell his name- I am trying to forget that he exists) and Natalie Portman were so wooden it was almost painful watching their supposed love story. Nothing (before this megatron) comes near to the utter misery of Jar Jar Stinks.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    a plea to michael bay and steven spielberg...

    by Flux_brown

    If you guys are reading this, PLEASE...PLEASE don&#39;t continue what you are doing, we all share a common belief that this movie has the potential for greatness, but trust us talkbackers, the approach you have chosen is going to alienate a legion of fans that have had high hopes for this movie. when the megatron picture leaked, you could here hearts breaking all around the world. Unlike Snakes on a Plane, I assure you Transformers has a larger and more faithful fanbase. Snakes on a plane was a fad, but transformers has a much stronger sentimental value to us, not only the internet regulars, but thousands of fans all over the world who grew up with the transformers tv show and line of toys. The reason behind our negativity isn&#39;t malice, although it may seem so. we genuinely care for this movie, we all want to see this movie suceed, we all want this movie to be a First of many more movies that take our childhood memories and treat them with respect. It&#39;s more than just a movie with giant robots, its a tribute to more innocent times, when a wide eyed kid was glued to the TV set watching Giant robots interact, feel, while educating us of the importance of being upstanding citizens, basically providing the values that we live with today. I know you may not understand this, but trust me, millions of fans around the world feel this way. With the approach you are taking to this project, you are changing a very important aspect of our childhood and turning it into a mediocre (at best) attempt to trivialise the nostalgia we have from our childhood. Please Mr Bay and Mr Spielberg...listen to us.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The Closest Bay ever came to accurately portraying a

    by AGE IIX

    Transformer was in ARMAGEDDON! BBC showed ARMAGEDDON yesterday and I saw a CONSTRUCTICON in their! I swear to god go and watch it...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    I agree to a point

    by Jak0lantern01

    The prequels were not perfect, not for a moment. I did point out miscasting. But at least &#39;control freak&#39; George was good enough to open an ear and throw a few bones to the fanbase. It will take more than Cullen to fix the TF movie. There&#39;s just way too much wrong right now.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by Lost Prophet

    what did he change? eliminating Jar Jar as a main character? and Flux- that was truly heartfelt, man, but sadly has fallen on totally deaf ears. We will get Mordy&#39;s "giant robots go BANG BANG now" film.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Jon Voight&#39;s car

    by Jak0lantern01

    Do you think it will transform in this movie?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    deaf ears

    by Flux_brown

    yeah, i know...its worth a try though :)had to get that chip off my shoulder...and about jarjar? eliminating him as main character from my pov wasn&#39;t a good idea, he created the character as a main sidekick, and then after the outrage that ensued afterwards, just pushed himeto the background. You&#39;d expect Lucas to be slightly more consistent with his own work and at least stick to his original vision. instead of pushin him to the background (and making him a senator of all things for godssakes!)...he should have tried to fix the character and be a little more subtle about it....

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    First Time Poster, Long Time Hater...

    by NathanGrey

    I, like many many many posters on this thread am posting for the first time. Having been to this site for countless years. Why did I chose this talkbalk to debut? I wanted to add a big "FUCK YOU MICHAEL BAY" so that when they print this long ass talkback out and hand it to Bay he can see what I think about this shit that he is getting ready to unleash to this unsuspecting world. The designs suck, everything coming out about this sucks. Everyone meet Michael Bay, the new Paul Anderson....

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Paul W.S. Anderon...

    by Flux_brown

    at least he has more respect to the original material...he also doesn&#39;t have and probably will never have a 150 mil budget to play with. I have to admit though...I looooved Mortal Kombat when it came out.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, noon CST

    You know what the thing is......

    by HammeredGuy

    The old transformers designs would have looked fucking awesome the way they were in new age CGI. Maybe the slight change here and there. Now we&#39;ll never get to see what could have been. Talkbackers are right, Michael Bay will end up raping my childhood. If there&#39;s a God and you&#39;re listening right now, change this movie please God. Please God! I promise to start praying or something if you do. If not, i call on my Muslim friends to unleash a JIHAD on Michael Bay.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Paul Weak Script Anderson

    by Lost Prophet

    Has no respect for his original concept- Look at Resident Evil for example. He made it less than the (very thin) plot of the game. I think if lucas did sideline Jar Jar it was because the mistake was so huge it was impossible to retrieve subtly- how were they going to alter the squeeky fingernails-down-a-blackboard voice without howls of derision?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I really don&#39;t think that

    by Jak0lantern01

    FUCK YOU MICHAEL BAY is really going to accomplish anything anywhere. There&#39;s been plenty of them already. I find a logical, well put together argument is more effective. Of course, that&#39;s easy for me to say, I&#39;ve had time to digest this whole mess. I&#39;d love to scan back for some of my initial reactions.......

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST

    a coherent argument.....

    by Lost Prophet

    that will be ignored. I am off to the pub. I expect to see this still number one TB on tuesday.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    BOYCOTT THIS SHIT! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

    by finky089

    TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Jak, I don&#39;t think anybody in an AICN Talkback will

    by finky089

    accomplish a single thignwith Mr. Bay. But you&#39;re right, vehemence certainly will get nowhere. Indirectly, if he even care, it might tell him there&#39;s alot of pissed off fans out there. But If he&#39;s gone this far into production with this kind of shit, he&#39;s not changing a damn thing becuase a list of "nobodies" posts 1,000 complaints. I thin kour reactions are incredibly valid. Mr. Bay will not. And as much as I dig the idea of a major boycott, it&#39;ll never happen. There&#39;s have to be a rever SOAP Net Effect to create enough of a disturbance from our level to alter the course of this film. We just need to digest it and move on- hate it or not. And if we hate it, then so be it. And anyone who has no problems can go and enjoy themselves in th theater. Alone.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    anchorite, Spielberg&#39;s less interested in Transformers

    by finky089

    as something he "truly&#39; cares about and more about the potential money to be made from having his name on it somewhere. I used to be a huge Spielberg fan, so I&#39;m no hater of his, but it&#39;s becoming obvious that he&#39;s involved only for the novelty of it, not the love. His name attracts investors and greases wheels. I think Mr. Bay and company are the ones making the decisions about the screenplay and these shitty, shitty designs.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Apparently I&#39;m too bothered by this to type correctly

    by finky089

    "There will have to be a reverse SOAP Net Effect"..... There&#39;s a part of me that is starting to hope maybe this is some elabortae deception by Bay. Maybe? Just maybe?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST

    We have said what needed to be said.

    by tile_mcgillus

    We all voiced our opinions on a public stage. We will all inform our geek communities of this travesty. We have said what needed to be said and pointed out the pink elephant in the room. We still have our 25 years of comic books, cartoons, models and toys. All Michael Bay will have is a dead career and a coke addiction. All end my post with this, BUY MASTERPIECE figures, the closest we will ever get to a G1 live action movie. Outtie 5000

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST

    looks rubbish + the "you&#39;re all gonna see it...

    by foree forehead

    ..anyway crowd." firstly, this looks like manure. i&#39;d take megatron the flying supersoaker over this mess. ideally i&#39;d make him a free-standing mega-weapon operated by starscream, some kind of apocalypse gun that lobs energon nukes or something. something over the top. not an alien jet that actually looks more like a covenant weapon from Halo. whoever said Mon-starr hit the bullseye. 2ndly, i like to think i enjoy movies/film, perhaps to too finicky a degree (walked out of spider-man 2 such was its syrup). i mean i&#39;ve a lot of time for the tarkovsky, welles, godart, or kubrick type of thing. at the same time how can i not love star wars and krull and dr. who and assorted other fun dreck. what i can&#39;t stand are the people that conflate the two, and sneeringly pose the straw-man argument i.e. "it&#39;s about giant robots, what do you want, SHAKESPEARE??!" as if there&#39;s NOTHING in-between. usually the type that says "stop complaining" and "you&#39;re gonna see it anyway." why? it&#39;s absurd.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Anchorite...regarding SMEGMATRON

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Personally, I prefer the sound of "MEGABERG".

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    How the direction of anger has shifted

    by Jak0lantern01

    Yeah, I saw that interview with Spielberg where he admitted sneaking into stores to buy TF&#39;s. The real shame is that with no prior knowledge of the TF&#39;s, Bay probably was exposed to X-amount of incarnations and figured he had full license to add his own incarnation. Unfortunately, no one probably sat him down with the first two or three season of the TF&#39;s, nor did he read through the entire G1 comic line, to really understand where the core story and characters lie.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST

    finky re: hoax

    by Flux_brown

    maybe maybe...although merrick said its highly unlikely,i&#39;m still keeping my fingers crossed though...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Don Murphy&#39;s Site....he&#39;s busy

    by Jak0lantern01

    I just popped into DM&#39;s apologist message board to see what the apologists were saying and, well, they&#39;re still apologists. But the one thing that caught my attention was the fact that Don is still personally moderating his forum and still personally disabling accounts. I mean, it&#39;s his board and all, but since he&#39;s the producer of THE BIGGEST MOVIE OF 2007, don&#39;t you think he should be spending less time playing around on a message board and more time trying to fix this debacle that he&#39;s created? Bitch slappin&#39;.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Well, JakOlantern01...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    If I had venomous hate being spewed at my all day on MY bandwidth, I&#39;d probably disable a few accounts myself. And why are you calling them "apologists"? If they like what they have seen, why should they apologize for it?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:34 p.m. CST

    TINO! TINO! TINO!

    by finky089

    Because the truth just can&#39;t be said enough.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s the demeanor of the board

    by Jak0lantern01

    Weeks ago, it was a lot more volatile there, until the disablings began, we can just call it the Great Don Murphy Message Board Purge. There&#39;s a lot of, "Well, I guess it COULD be worse" type statements going on there. That, and the fact that they&#39;re sucking Brian Goldner&#39;s cock in the manner that they are, "Thank you Mr. Goldner for spending the time with us to explain why you&#39;re raping our childhoods." I mean, c&#39;mon. You get kicked over there for negativity. Kinda like the Taliban, they rip on these boards because of the freedom we have here. Besides, he has moderators and should be focusing his energies elsewhere. You know where.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    **CUE DEPRESSING EPIC MUSIC**

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Deep Voice Movie Announcer - They came without warning ...SWOOSH...BOOM!!... hiding among us ...DUN-DUN-DUHH ...fighting a secret war ...TA-CHAAAA...KABOOM!!... they are...MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE!! ...DOO-DAAA!!... Next summer Steven Spielberg ...SWOOSH... and Michael Bay ...FSSHHH-KPOWW!!!... present a Michael Bay film ...DUH-DUH-DUH-DADUM!!... TRANSFORMERS EXTREME!! ...DOOO-DAAAA...DUN-DUN-DUNNNN...these aren&#39;t your Daddy&#39;s robots!! In fact, your Daddy can go fuck himself....a Michael Bay film directed by Michael Bay......fade to black

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:44 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Spielberg&#39;s apparent behavior is lame

    by finky089

    and since I haven&#39;t spoken with him about it, I cannot even begin to guess what was going through his mind when he was saying those things in the interview. But, he did. And knowing full-well that he would be heard by TF fans the world over. So, to make himself out to be the "caretaker" of this nostalgia while it was being adapted to the big screen, then just completely let it fend for itself against people like Bay who don&#39;t seem to have any personal passion for it, or any inkling to remain as true as possible to the source material (of course, some changes allowed) significantly taints my opinon of his ability to produce anything I&#39;m should give a shit about. He&#39;s sinking further and further into the depths of someone I just have no cinematic attraction to anymore. Spielgberg movie used to = great flick. Not so anymore. I&#39;m sure Steven will read this and cry himself to sleep over that, too. But these two most recent TBs are evidence I&#39;m not the only one. Nor the most disappointed, either.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Oh Jesus look at this new pic!!!

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Just found a picture of SMEGMATRON I hadn&#39;t seen before. You are not going to believe this, it must be mid-transformation or something. http://tinyurl.com/4n2g6

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    by HotShott

    They should have made him a Warthog "Tankbuster" fighter jet and used it&#39;s gatling gun as the arm cannon. idiots.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    To go along with the flames...

    by Shepard Bauer

    I think Optimus&#39; line from the fans should be &#39;Up yours, Megabutt!&#39; said with the same cadence as &#39;Autobots...ROLLOUT!&#39;

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    or...

    by Shepard Bauer

    Megatron: "I eat pieces of scrap like you for breakfast!" and Optimus can retort "You eat scrap for breakfast?!?" and then Chubbs, I mean Jazz, could die randomly after teaching the Autobots to putt...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    They are apologists

    by messi

    It&#39;s like Myspace, having certain people in your account for others to see makes you look cooler to people you will never meet. Same thing. The more they pander to please Don Murphy, the more important they feel since they talk to a hollwyood(not very successful) producer. by the way Mr Nice Gaius. I knew it was Rumble and not frenzy, i was just up for 40 hours, and the last hours i stayed up just reading this talkback.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Shepard Bauer best quoting

    by messi

    Maybe Optimus starts singing &#39;I wanna kiss you all over&#39; to michael bay, ahh fuck it, bay go fuck yourself.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Optimus&#39;s Line

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Since he is more in the shape of the Porkchop Express, his line should be: "I feel good, and I&#39;m not scared at all. I just feel kind of... kind of invincible... Is it getting hot in here, or is it just me?"

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3 p.m. CST

    RE: i was just up for 40 hours

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    No excuse...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:17 p.m. CST

    tile_mcgillus

    by rev_skarekroe

    You got me all wrong. I love Transformers. But my live isn&#39;t going to be ruined because Megatron looks like a metal porcupine.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The Bottom Line

    by adonais

    (This is my first time EVER posting to this kind of movie discussion online, so please be kind if I don&#39;t use the standard vernacular or whatever.) I was a HUGE Transformers fan as a kid. And I have had a string sense of nostalgia ever since. For years I always envisioned a day when I might see my favorite characters brought to life in

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    My first post

    by adonais

    Sorry if my post is all one jumble of words, I didn&#39;t realize that paragraph spaces wouldn&#39;t show up.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet "FUCK OFF"

    by magnius

    Very mature! If you don&#39;t agree then just tell the other party to "Fuck Off"...who needs intelligent debate! My God!! You people are taking this shit far far too seriously!! I grew up with Transformers...they were my life from 1984 until I was old enough to grow out of collecting the toys (about 11...unlike some of you sad 40 year old virgins..lol..). Yes..i would rather see a 100% accurate version of the 80&#39;s cartoon..but you are not going to get it...so you may as well just enjoy whatever it turns out to be. I mean come off it...it&#39;s a movie about giant robots that turn into stuff...its gonna rock!!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    all that and..

    by foree forehead

    ..it&#39;ll likely have a wretched nu-metal soundtrack.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    hahaa

    by foree forehead

    unintentional comedy with my post coming after yours magnius

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Who Else Cried When Optimus Prime Died?

    by ZombieSolutions

    When the movie was over, I ran home and hugged my Optimus Prime toy and wept for days. Thats when my Mommy started crying too and asking me "Whats wrong, honey? Whats wrong? Please, baby, please tell me! You&#39;re scaring Mommy!" But that just made me cry more and more and curse and pull out my hair and hit my head against the wall and spit at her (see, I thought she was a Decepticon trying to take my Optimus away). Then she bought me more toys and I felt okay again. Sometimes when I think about that dark day, I hug my Optimus Prime dolly and make all the bad feewlings go away. Buying things makes me feel good inside. Sometimes when my toothpaste is about to run out I feel so depressed I start to weep and scream and cut myself. Then I hug my Optimus Prime dolly again and everything is okay again. I love you Optimus Prime. You&#39;re like the father I never had, and the Big Red Truck I used to chase down the street when it went by. VROOOOOM! YAAY! Big Red Truck! Oh look! A Fire Engine! WOO WOO WOO!!! YAY!!! Don&#39;t ever die again Optimus, okay, and if you do, don&#39;t come back as a GorillaRobot, come back as something bad ass like a SharkDragonTRex! Yeah! Ha ha! TRANSFORM AND ROLL OUT!!! YAY!!! I just hope the nice people in the white coats will take me to the movies when this comes out. They&#39;re so nice! But they don&#39;t like it when I cry and scream and bite and hurt people and cut myself because Megatron took control of my mind. See, thats why they should let me play TRANSFORMERS all the time! YAY! VROOOOM! MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE!! HA HA HA!!! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA H h oh god... its so sad WAAAH! WAAAAH!!!! YAAAY!!!

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Could be worse....

    by magnius

    He could be this.... http://www.bwtf.com/robotmasters/megatron/rmboth.jpg or this... http://www.toyarchive.com/STAForSale/NEW2001+/TF/BeastWars/MegatronAilliComplete1b.jpg or even this... http://www.transformerland.com/store/reference_images/22714-r.jpg And thank God this will never make it to screen!! http://transformersgallery.iquebec.com/jouet/rbjmegd.jpg

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Energon: Good to keep up the yang!

    by finky089

    there&#39;s my Porkshop Express-related comment for this TB.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Oops

    by magnius

    That post came out crap!! lol Who&#39;s gonna do the theme? Will it be a bad cover of the 80&#39;s theme tune?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:36 p.m. CST

    adonais

    by Jak0lantern01

    Good post, probably more likely to be listened to than FUCK OFF BAY.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST

    80s soundtrack

    by adonais

    And for the record, no. I would never endorse an 80s metal sountrack with songs like "You&#39;ve got the power." LOL But funny of you to point that out, I can see why you would say that.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST

    adonais nailed it- if I had Bay&#39;s office address I&#39;d

    by finky089

    copy it to Word, print it out in droves, and mail it to him.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Even if it made it to Bay and he read it

    by Jak0lantern01

    he&#39;d probably just sum it up to be yet another TF fanboy headcase.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Why did the Transformers come to Earth?

    by brokebackcowboy

    If they run on energon, or whatever that is, we don&#39;t got it here ... so why Earth? Why not Pluto? Do they need a planet to battle on, or could they do it on an asteroid?

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST

    After I saw WotW, I came out of the theater expecting

    by brokebackcowboy

    to see tripods down the street. And I watched Because of Winn Dixie last night. It made me cry a little. Just sharing ...

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    The soundtrack should include

    by brokebackcowboy

    Duran Duran&#39;s Planet Earth and New Moon on Monday.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I didn&#39;t cry when Optimus Prime died

    by brokebackcowboy

    because I didn&#39;t watch Transformers. I don&#39;t know all these references to AutoZone and Masturbot. But I KNOW I would have cried if I had watched it. Because I have a tender heart like that.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    Probably Because It Is Another TF Fanboy Headcase

    by ZombieSolutions

    If only that level of passion could be directed towards something meaningful and authentic. Listen up all you kids, plastic fetishists, consumer loyalists, and obese 40 year old virgins: all TF is, was, and ever shall be is a TOY COMMERCIAL. Nothing more, nothing less. These new designs are so radically different because they are trying to MOVE PRODUCT to a new wave of consumers. Look: Your fond memories for it are actually just transferrance phenomenons: 1) the commercials told you to like the toys (they did look really cool; made cool noises on the tv show and everything); 2) then, being good consumers in a capitalist society you bought the toys; 3) this act of purchasing (the one true sacrament in the US) made you feel good inside (remember: all the cool kids have the good stuff! you gotta keep up or be ostrasized!); 4) having purchased Optimus Happypants, you successfully fulfilled the consumer imperative; you have the NEW STUFF you were programmed to want! Having all that cool shiny stuff (that you "needed" to have or risk being ostracised by your peers) = Fond Childhood Memories (c). aka Fake Nostalgia. aka Consumer Nostalgia. You may as well be excited about a TACO BELL ad or a toothpaste commercial. You lived your childhoods inside of a cathode ray box and it completely warped your minds; in short: an Ad Executives ultimate fantasy. You&#39;ve been bought and sold. End of story. [Rather than asking why the designs look so crappy, and they do, you should be asking why you care so much about something so artificial and pointless.]

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Brokebackcowboy...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    is trolling for trouble harder than John Mark Karr.

  • Aug. 25, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Mega-train Wreck

    by Darth Mofo

    My only question is why use the original Autobot and Decepticon insignias? Why? Why not just go and and turn them into mechanical Rorschach