Aug. 18, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:26 p.m. CST
If I had remembered my stupid talkback password. Not that I care at all. Really.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:29 p.m. CST
Maybe it will come out in animation, but I'm not feeling any warmth towards this design.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:32 p.m. CST
I can hardly contain the excitement! *Falls asleep*
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST
Interest definitely waning.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:41 p.m. CST
Seriously, no one outside AintItCool gives two flying fucks about TRANSFORMERS. Stop treating this like it's a real movie with some sort of real fanbase. You thought THE ISLAND crashed and burned at the BO...you ain't seen nothing yet.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST
to start showing the shitty design that is supposed to be bumblebee.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST
He is the guy with a ton of common sense. I expect this POS to rank right up there with the live action He-Man movies. Sincerely, Howard Roark.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:46 p.m. CST
Original boxy G1 bumble bee is better.
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:47 p.m. CST
This movie is why CAMERON decided to make AVATER instead of BATTLE ANGEL! Will BATTLE ANGEL be the better movie...if it's based on CAMERON vs. BAY then HELL YES is the answer!
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:50 p.m. CST
Or is it just a 20 foot stand-in?
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST
by Cotton McKnight
The parts on this robot are so small, you can't even tell he's a car. I think you need to have BIG pieces making up the body of the robot, so you can get a sense of how the thing looks when it's a car. Anyone agree with me here?
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
It's cool. I'm pleasantly surprised!
Aug. 18, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST
I'm sorry if I sound like a hater or I'm whining. I'm sorry if I sound like some bitchy fanboy stuck in the 80s... But those pictures just make me think "*SIGH* They're not doing it right." They're wrong in thinking they're biggest audience would not be nostaglic 30 year olds...
Aug. 18, 2006, 11 p.m. CST
Damn lack of edit option.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST
I hope they're in the movie.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST
Look at that waist-to-hip ratio!
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:03 p.m. CST
are the same kind of people that would be interested in this movie. So to avoid the cartoon and the iconic designs and basic familiarity is bad marketing, and plain stupid.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:06 p.m. CST
Damn lack of edit option.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:07 p.m. CST
by dead youngling
I'm not sure this thing looks like it can show any emotion, and that's what made original Transformers so cool--they were robots with human emotions shown on their faces. Without emotions they're just robots, and they're not supposed to be robots, right? If I'm correct, they're supposed to be huge, walking. transforming, metal wet dreams of people in their 30s, like moi.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST
the designs are sterile and convey nothing about character or personality.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:10 p.m. CST
And vice versa. This makes "Snakes On A Plane" look like a Charlie Kaufman project. Okay, I'm done hating...
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:13 p.m. CST
by Bouncy X
is it just me or does he seem to be way to big considering he's only a camero? i figured he'd be somewhere between 10 and 15 feet robot size...but he's freakin huge, seems like he wont be that much shorter than prime
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:17 p.m. CST
Jesus H. Christ on crutches, you people bitch endlessly! Every single day it's more and more of the same shit from all of you; "This movie's gonna blow", "who cares?", "Michael Bay is a Hack." For fuck's sake, how many ways can you say it? WE GET IT! Now...why don't you all just face the facts and admit that, unless this movie is a shot for shot, word for word reproduction of the cartoon series, you'll NEVER be satisfied? I'm a HUGE TF fan, and even I understood that there would have to be some drastic changes in order for this to work in a real-world scenario. It's not 1984, anymore, you dumbasses. Tape decks are gone. So, kiss Soundwave goodbye. It's NOT viable! And Please, don't EVEN try to tell me that a 50 foot robot turning into a tiny handgun is a realistic concept in a live-action film. Hell, even as a child I thought that was a lame idea. After all the bullshit and bitching I read from you so-called "fans", I'm truly, TRULY ashamed to call MYSELF a fan, anymore. You're worse that the Harry Potter dorks. You're all so very hellbent on judging a film you haven't seen half a second's worth of footage for. So, for Christ's sake, people; if you truly "don't care anymore" then stop posting! You're truly ruining it for the rest of us that actually want to see a Transformer's movie. If it's gonna suck, it'll suck...but I, for one, will wait until after I see the film to come to any conclusions. Flame away, net-nerd TF-zealots!
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST
listen, take some time off the site, we won't mind too much, just get all that sorted out if you would...
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:21 p.m. CST
There's barely enough to start a small camp fire. Seriously, how many debout TF fans out there? 20? 30? Nah, not that many.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:22 p.m. CST
Like Megatron. What's with that anyway?
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST
look like the cast of Ocean's fuckin Eleven. Dudes, its about giant robots from outerspace. And y'all are tossin up a fuss about the one that transforms into a Boombox being EXcluded?! if your father's got a shotgun in his closet, i suggest you load in and stick that bad boy into your mouth and say Fuck You Life! cuz its really all downhill from here.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST
Do these robot designs look more and more like stuff we send out into space like the Rover and shit. They look awfully low-tech to me. Way too many gears and axles showing.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST
1) It's devout. 2) You'd be suprised.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:33 p.m. CST
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:34 p.m. CST
Fisrt off let me be the first to say that I really really wanted this movie to suceed but after seeing this robot design and the "flames" on Optimus Prime I kinda hope this movie BOMBS and loses a BUNCH of money. I dont mind so much if they change some of the vehicle mode but they should keep the robot form similiar to the original. This "robot" looks like something out of that SHITTY movie ROBOT JOX from like 15 years ago. So until they show a decent robot form that doesnt look like a bionicle then I say screw this movie. Michael Bay is goona ruin this the way Hollywood ruined Godzilla with that shitty movie 8 yrs ago.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:36 p.m. CST
I hope they at least try for something as elaborate looking as the screen version. And I hope they're not non-transforming action figures.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST
by Gary Yogurt
Jesus, I didn't expect them to be THAT literal. It's like "Honey I Blew Up the Toy Story" or something.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:43 p.m. CST
by Marv Spaulding
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:44 p.m. CST
I don't know, but when I saw this new batch of pics it just clicekd for me and I decided I totally love all the new designs. It doesn't replace the classic...but that is what we have our old figures and DVDs of G1 for...so we can relive that era. But I totally dig the new Prime look and the Bumblebee robot design. And the toy concept pics are the icing on the cake. This movie is officailly going to kick ass.
Aug. 18, 2006, 11:47 p.m. CST
Merrick is starting to become a better writer.
Aug. 19, 2006, midnight CST
great talkback name. I think we should have a rundown of great talkback names from AICN that we can remember...as much as I hate the fucker, JacksUserID is pretty damn good...Merrick, propose this as a contest! the winner can get to lick Guillermo del Toros, er...shoes!! (I actually like the guy a lot, I just chose a name...)
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST
I found these pics of the toy line, they seem legit: Blackout (movie concept and toy), Optimus Prime (movie concept), Starscream (toy), and Skorpinok (toy). The original page that hosted them is having some probs i think, but you guys can also check them out at: http://bin.4chan.org/m/src/1155960758559.jpg http://bin.4chan.org/m/src/1155962258188.jpg http://bin.4chan.org/m/src/1155961232569.jpg http://bin.4chan.org/m/src/1155962187819.jpg the link to the original thread: http://bin.4chan.org/m/res/204098.html
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:06 a.m. CST
It was fairly obvious they couldn't just be big blocky things like the cartoon. Good job. BIG OPTIMUS FEET!
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST
I'm into it.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
If I remember from the toy, the trailer opened up with a robotic crane inside..?? Scraped?
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
I really hate to moan over something I grew up with as a kid but those designs look so awful.It doesnt look like transformers at all.Most people I know dont want to see all these moving parts going on its destracting.Plus shia labuff,bernie mac,tyreese and tad hamilton thats the worst cast of any movie let alone a movie thats suppose to be 99.9% about fighting robots.I guarantee the first 30 mins of this flicks theres no transformers to be seen.Just these crappy actors.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
the fact that Merrick has a twelve year old is probably why his posts are conssitently the most grown-up on this site. Correct spelling and all. Way to be a grown-up, Merrick! Also, I think these robot modes all look the same. It was enough for me that the toys were (for the most part) bi-laterally symetrical if not bipedal and humanoid in their nature. This somehow takes the fun out of it for me. I have such fond memories of looking in the catalogues and trying to guess how they transformed based on what hulking, blocky, non-humanoid parts jutted out of their shoulders and hips etc. This is like... "er... okay..." even so, I won't say this movie is going to suck, Soundwave or no, until after I actually see it. But I'm not encouraged by these...
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:38 a.m. CST
Is all the geeks who come onto the TF TBs and bitch and complain about how no one's a fan of the property and how no one should care about the film being made. Oh, it's just a toy commercial. Blah blah blah It's like someone just dropped trou and pissed all over their baseball cards or something. "Hey, man! It's only geek if you dig Star Wars or Lord of the Rings or the Trek. Hell, we even let the Potterheads in. Anything else is uncivilized." Seriously. It's like we've just called your moms whores. It's cracking me up.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:39 a.m. CST
Color me not impressed. This really just has no feeling from the original series and it looks like the terrible new toys at best. I'll be passing on this one.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:42 a.m. CST
Anyone who starts quoting Clerks II like it's the end-all-be-all statement on geekdom is sad and really needs to go back to '94.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST
They look like transformers. Reeeeaaaal big suprise there.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:56 a.m. CST
These designs are way too busy with all the extra spikes/gaps/protrusions/folds in the metal/etc. All this ornamental junk makes them look cheap and just serves as a distraction. They need to have a cleaner, more refined look so that the eye can easily follow the action. Not to mention that they currently look like they were designed on Earth by humans using 20th/21st century technology instead of on Cybertron with advanced, future technology. I know it's supposed to be "Robots in disguise" but part of what made the Transformers appealing was that the Autobots had human-like qualities meshed in with features from some Vehicle which determined the design of the "robot." Which in turn helped us identify with the character. These have a completely cold, Terminator Endoskeleton/M.I.T. robotics lab experiment gone wrong feel. No heart or soul.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:58 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST
Looks like this marketing snake is eating its own tail ... OKAY, so we have a movie, based on a cartoon, which was designed solely to sell as many toys to children as humanly possible ... and people are readying their complaints that the MOVIE doesn't resemble the TOY LINE they remember fondly. I'm not whining or being a smart-ass here; it really is fascinating. Almost a sociological study, really. For me, the real problem with movies like this is NOT that studios don't listen to the fanbase ... it's that a large portion of the "fanbase" is actually just a consumption machine that buys up all the merchandising, thereby making the film profitable enough to justify all the bloat. In other words, the studios listens to the fans WAAAAAY too much. Sorry, but I don't think good films get made by committee (as a general rule), and "fanbase" is basically just a grassroots committee that's even harder to read correctly. So the studios will test-market this crap to its "target audience" and Bay will dutifully follow their instructions. Fuck all that, for my ten bucks. Give me a fucking visionary, and if 90% of his crap slides down the wall when thrown, it'll be worth it for that golden Hail Mary. (Irony is, when you have a visionary like that, most of his stuff is outstanding, RE: TERRY GILLIAM. Give that mother fucker a budget, let him do WATCHMEN as an HBO miniseries.)
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST
Sweet Jesus, if only George Lucas had gotten a room of semi-competent people in a room together to map out the Prequel Trilogy before rolling in the digital cameras ... *sigh* ... what can I say? It's not a science ...
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST
hahahaha. like the dude said. Bionicle the movie. I seriously question the blocky G1 style didn't work. That fan made sideswipe was amazing, and looked like it would be awesome on film. "I let my mind go completly wild". You suck major cock Bay.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST
They look great, better than the originals by far. If you people want something true to the original watch the cartoon. And since when have comic/cartoon to movie stayed faithful? Hardly ever. Singer's X-men had as much relation to the original as me to you. Just watch it. There's so many complainers out here and there that you guys should just pool together and make you own fan flick, satisfy yourself. I mean you wouldn't get Michael Bay to masturbate you guys so wank yourselves off.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:10 a.m. CST
WHATSSJDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT TH FUCK IS THAT!!!!
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Fatboy Roberts
All these designs are WAY too busy. I don't really like any of them. Like every part of the car breaks into 3000 different pieces and is haphazardly folded across the body. I don't want boxy designs, but this is too much like someone glued together a 3D-Puzzle while blindfolded.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST
Better than I thought. My only question is, where the hell is the rest of the "metal?" They aren't bulky enough.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:24 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:24 a.m. CST
has to be blackout. look at the hands and feet. its blackout http://flickr.com/photos/lights/218635246/
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST
Prime looks quite similar to a lankier version of the Transformers: Cybertron Prime. I kind of dig it. Many of the designs have a serious Binaltech/Alternators toyline look to them, and I'd be willing to bet money that the designers looked heavily to that line for inspiration. Blackout looks pretty nifty designwise, and again very much like the Alternators toys. In fact, as I type this I kinda think they're a severe mix of Alternator/Cybertron styling, especially on Starscream which might very well be the weakest of the designs so far. The transformations for them should be quite cool, especially if they're borrowing heavily from Alternators which have some very complex and nifty transformations.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:35 a.m. CST
Now, I'm a pretty big fan of the original G1 Transformer series. I understand that Hollywood makes changes for the sake of making changes. But why is it that every time a new bit of info for this movie comes out, the hosting site crashes? You people bitch and bitch about how no one cares blah blah blah, but when the teaser hit, I believe it broke all kinds of download records. Why? Because a lot of people give a shit. Right now I can't even get on the fuckin site to check out the pics. Why? It's timing out because (here it comes) a lot of people give a shit. My advice is if you're not interested or hate Bay (which I find weird seeing as you don't know him), stop fuckin posting every chance you get about how much you think this movie will suck. Nobody cares, starting with me. Flame on. I couldn't give a shit.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:37 a.m. CST
Big robots smashing things. Those are big robots. They will smash things. We will be happy.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST
They look pretty fucking cool.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:50 a.m. CST
by Darth Fabulous
Just an observation. These "robots" are too damn detailed.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:51 a.m. CST
I love the new looks, can't wait to actually buy the toys (Optimus and Blackout looks awesome) and have them on my desk. Seriously, you haters are just bitching for the sake of bitching.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST
are you a fuck? when the first optimus pic was released, various movie sites had hundreds of users complaining including this one. so go suck a dick because people do care.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:04 a.m. CST
all niiight long!! all niight!! (big ups to Lionel Richie) I will periodically be checking back here as I drink and play online poker because the posts of people arguing about the transformer designs are like crack to me. SO fucking funny. I don't mean it to be offensive to any of you, I just mean it's good entertainment. I also find this funny http://tinyurl.com/pbpqs and it is shameless self promotion, but I hope it's funny to film fans, and especially posted HERE of all places...at least I didn't pretend it was a link to a youtube vid of Optimus Prime behind the scenes fucking Nicole Richie! see how I brought it full circle there?
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:06 a.m. CST
Dunno about the rest, Bumblebee is no longer lovable, Starscream a too radical change. But they definitely look alien, I guess that was their goal. The designs probably need getting used to. Prime is the only one so far that's recognizable. I'll guess I'll have to wait for the robot's performances before I can truly judge. Still I guess I can't wait to see a live mecha-action type of a flick. Hopefully it'll be a fun ride.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST
Seriously. Like messi said... Bionicle. Wow.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:10 a.m. CST
The other robots are ok, but starscream is plain crap. Whats with the head
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST
They looked really F'ed in the A. this movie blows. But I thought this movie was in trouble when IGN interviewed Bay and he was thrilled to make a Family movie. which sounds like freaking Spy kids to me
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST
I like them!! I'm a BIG Transformers fan and have seen Optimus and Co go through a lot of changes since '84 and this is the best he has looked since G1. Bumblebee really should have been a Beetle...but you can't have everything. And I can understand Megatron not being a gun...a pistol turning into a 40 foot high robot?
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:35 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:38 a.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
Looks like Nelson is using a post of yours for his sig over at Bay's Blog: "Unless Optimus having flames a) inhibits his ability to turn into a GIANT ROBOT, or b) inhibits his ablitity to punch the shit out things, then I don't give a fuck. - Blackwood" -- Props man.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST
GIANT ROBOTS FOREVER!
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Seriously, I think some people need to really chill out, and are getting TOO fannish and TOO set in their ways about ANY updated changes, to the point of being TOO nerdy. Speaking as someone who enjoyed TRANSFORMERS as a kid, my basic reaction is TRANSFORMERS was about a bunch of battling robots that turned into some fun things. And made for some really cool toys you could buy. These things look like a bunch of battling robots that through kick-ass modern special effects will turn into some fun things. And will make for some really cool NEW toys to buy. From everything I've heard and seen so far, I have no real bitches about this movie -- in fact, I'm looking forward to trademark Michael Bay over-the-top action, mayhem and destruction in this sucker. So bring it on and bring on the toys. So far this looks great to me...
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:56 a.m. CST
Well what a bunch of fucking clowns. "This movie will suck ahuh ahuh"... "Nobody cares"... fuck off back to your parents basments, grab the kleenex and get back to thwapping over your vast and terrible collection of goat porn avi's. I mean jesus..... who wants to see big fucking photorealistic robots twatting each other senseless eh? Only most of the cunting moviegoing public you fucking moaning arse-faced donkey rimmers. And fanboys.... note the difference between fan and fanboys here.... "OMG he's got flames! And he can't be that shape because it clearly states in issue 45, page 7, third frame, that....." FUCK OFF Do you seriously think that the toy designs will stand up as characters in a live action movie? Sure they look cool on a shelf but do they make a fully poseable character that will be able to 'act' believably on screen? Hah.. no fucking chance, half of them don't even bend at the waist. Even the alternators. Tough shit if they look more organic than you're used to, it's not 198fucking4 any more. The change is needed if there's any hope of having good looking robot characters with fluid movement on screen. So drop this bullshit, stop thinking that all those teams of experienced artists and modellers can be outdone by you with your crayons and finger paint, and keep your twatting grousing down. "Oh I'm not going to see this movie it'll suck". Good, we won't have to put up with your incessant bitching when we're in there enjoying a fun robot flick. Bunch of fucking miserable cunts.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST
Less and less interested; sorry but this show left me cold. It was the ultimate in cardboard animated openy-closey-mouth, blinky-blink mid-eighties, anything-to-sell-a-Mattell/BanDai-doll junk. I really think that people who are excited by this are the REAL geeks, several circles lower in geek-hell than the most fervent Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter fan. It's like getting excited by He-Man or Jayce and the Wheeled warriors.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:59 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
We've all been going rounds about what we like and what we can live with blah blah blah. I want things to be truer to source, but that horse is beaten to a pulp already so allow me to start the next round.....Why is it that out of the 3 main/primary/important robots faces we've seen so far (Prime, Bumblebee, and Starscream) that Prime is the only one whose face/head is recognizable? BB looks like some kind of kitchen appliance head thing, and Starscream? WTF is Starscream's head supposed to be anyway, the Alien Queen's vagina? How can they claim this is based on G1 at all when you have primary cast members who are completely unrecognizable? I don't even want to think about what Megatron's head is going to look like, it'll probably resemble Bay's scrotum piercing. With all of the other radical changes, they couldn't have kept heads that at least remind us of G1?
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST
I agree with veritasses, youngling, and McKnight about the designs. Way too busy, too much. I know that movie people always want the movie to be "bigger", and "MORE" than the source material, and I would tend to agree. It adds to the spectacle. But this doesn't work. Once they're robots, you can't tell that they're cars. Frankly, I wish they'd stuck more to the look from the digital shorts and commercials that sparked this movie in the first place. Those looked great, cos the robots looked like the cars they'd been. These are just big jumbles. Whoever designed them doesn't really understand good robot design, or, more likely, was told to make them "BIGGER" and "CRAZIER" by some producer. O' course, not being a movie maker, I can't really anticipate how they're come off when they're moving and talking. Maybe it'll work. But so far, color me disappointed.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:07 a.m. CST
by Black Jesus
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:14 a.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
I think that may be the point though. They are alien-robot-beings...why should their natural form look anything like an Earth vehicle? By the looks of these designs (they are growing on me...Prime and Blackout especially), they are taking the term "transformer" literally. Everything about these guys is going to change when they transform.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:23 a.m. CST
not transformers. or ROBOT JOX 2. anyone who likes this messy "my mind just went wild" shit should eat said shit.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST
I'm stunned at how laughably bad this is all turning out. It's like they're TRYING to alienate old fans. The only thing that could improve the movie at this point is changing the name to GO-BOTS. If I ever meet Michael Bay I'm going to spit in his food so I can ruin something HE'S enjoying.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:31 a.m. CST
This is just a way to big deviation from the original to be of interest to me. Fuck. And for those who ask if I can come up with a better robotic design, the answer is a resounding YES!!!
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:32 a.m. CST
next to how Fox fucked up X-men, this is a first class adaptation!
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST
Holy shit thats fucking disgraceful...
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:35 a.m. CST
by JimmyJoe RedSky
i guess im getting old - i missed the whole transformers bandwagon - i remember them from their heyday - but even back then they were kinda a joke - unless you were 7 or 8 and collected the toys - i was in highschool and found the premise for the show ridiculous and thin at best - it (like most kids cartoons) was a 30 minute ad for toys - their theme song was fun to sing and make fun of "transformers... robots in disguise... transformers... more than meets the eye" - and spielberg is producing this big budget toy ad - the guy that made jaws, ce3k and et - wow - these are indeed the end times
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:48 a.m. CST
I know I defended this project before. I tried my best to believe that Mr. Bay would give heed to TB sites like this. I still have a glimmer of hope that, less than a year from now, we get to witness some seriously bad-ass robot mayhem. But, after seeing these pix... I mean look at them. Waaaayyy too busy. Too much superfluous shit going on. They're almost Bionicles overdosing on meth-fueled anime. Is this what Dave Chappelle meant by "When keeping it real goes wrong?" I think I'm reluctantly changing my state's color from blue to red regarding this project. They're gonna have to do some serious work to win over the rabid fans who wanted this to work.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST
Dinobots and Constructo Cons are a must in any Transformer film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:54 a.m. CST
But I am. I want to see that abomination die and die hard. Hopefully Bay has a cameo where Optimus falls on him.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:55 a.m. CST
BV and Chickychow (possibly others... I've had too much to drink to pay too much attention) have it nailed spot on. Right on, guys.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:56 a.m. CST
I'm not speaking as Anti-Bay or as a hardcore G1 fan. I'm talking in the same voice as I did when they were making a movie version of Firefly (and I'm a big Firefly fan). Although I loved the final result, I was always saying that the mainstream public didn't give a rats ass about Firefly (Serenity). Too much money was being put into a film with limited appeal. Ok, so this film is directed at kids, so that will help.....but in reality, it's dirested at ONLY 50% of the kids in America (ok, and maybe Japan). Mainly, this is a film that young pre-teen boys will want to see. Older non-geek boys will not go merely because of the Geek Factor attached to Transformers and most of the young girls who go will only go because they got dragged there with the family. All this considered, that means that Transformers had, at best, be shooting for a budget of less than $30 million if they want to be sure of profit (and I SERIOUSLY doubt that it is).
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:03 a.m. CST
by Dollar Bird
So, back in the day
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:09 a.m. CST
"We let some fuckstick hack make a mockey of the product line and then we release classic gen 1 toys and we'll make a FORTUNE!! It worked with New Coke!"
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST
I'm not so much of a purist that I think Prime has to look *exactly* like he did in the cartoon... but man, that look for him is just lousy. It's not that I'm even against the flames... but what I *am* against is how lame they look.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST
1/ if you were a director, the only reason you'd do a transformer movie is so that you could have fun designing robots. 2/ I dont know the specifics of transformers or the old style, but I think these robots looks pretty cool, and still recognisable as transformers 3/ If those are toy concepts, then they are seriously cool, if I were a kid again id love to own some of those-especially if they actually transform-though they look too complex for that surely? *if they are toy concepts* and damn theyll be expensive.....still I dont see the appeal of this movie for adults-definately a kids movie, like power rangers or pokemon or whatever....
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:24 a.m. CST
all this moaning is pointless...this is how they are going to look so you may as well just deal with it!! I remember alot of critisism over the X-Men Costumes...a Black Kingpin...and many many other design changes in films that caused much concern, but once the film is out you will be able to judge by its own merits. The look of every single Transformer has changed countless times over the last 20 years and this is just another one of those changes. I personally think they all look great. And stop all this "Wheres so and so" talk...thats what sequels are for...and there will be sequels...this is gonna be great :)
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST
...what a bunch of whining pansy asses. I think they look bad-ass and as you would expect when you're not animating at 6 frames a second in no-def. Fuck you people are retarded. No casette deck guy? Do you still own tapes? No. Therefor no casette deck guy. Dude doesn't turn into a gun? So the fuck what, that only works when you can fake it with lame animation. Can;t see theri faces? Who the fuck cares? OMG!!!11111ONE FLAMES ON THE TRUCK! Again, so the FUCK WHAT. Seriously people. Get a fucking life. OMG! OPtimuis is a kenworth!!!!!! Yep. Again...you guessed it: so the fuck what? I will see this movie because giant ass-kicking robots with a big budget will look cool. So, the rest of you wankers return to your transformers DVD collection or those old VHS tapes you made in the 80s and continue to be dorks. Carry on.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:47 a.m. CST
This is be a massive mess.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:51 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:04 a.m. CST
I'm still kind of iffy about the flames - eh - but the robots don't look half bad. I hope they add more grit to the textures for the robots though. These guys have been fighting for centuries - I would think they would look more beaten and damaged.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST
by Cash Bailey
...but I'll wait until see them in motion before casting any sort of judgement.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:22 a.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST
Those designs look fucking impressive to me. The level of detail is great. I seriously feel embarrassed looking at a message board filled with grown men (and women) complaining about the colors of their favorite Transformer. I won't say it's just a movie, because we're all geeks here, but I will say relax - it's a frickin' TRANSFORMERS movie - who really gives a shit if Optimus Prime has flames, as long as he kicks ass and looks real on screen? Honestly...
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:34 a.m. CST
Ok i hated the flame thing when i saw ut first but these new models replenished my hopes. Optimus look pretty spiffing and still have most of his OPTIMUS trademarks. Not too crazy about Bumblebee though, look like a fat sidekick. I am loving the insectoid looks on the decepticons! I don't care how the movie turn out i am definately getting some of the new toys.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST
so suck a cock. flames are ridiculous in any from, on cars and also on transformers. Just because it's giant robots and they fight doesn't mean it will be good, don't you remember Go-bots you fucks? Exactly. This is Bionicle the movie.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:49 a.m. CST
all messy and complex and they sold jack compared to the ludicrous amounts sold by transformers. people don't dig things that are so 'alien'. so again. suck it.
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:05 a.m. CST
by One Voice
Aug. 19, 2006, 7 a.m. CST
So who really wants this http://www.cliffbee.com/reviews/images/bumblebee.jpg wandering around on screen? Or should I say hopping?
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST
I could understand if it was some great book or a previously made, great movie or even a comic, BUT FOR FUCK'S SAKE, IT'S TRANSFORMERS!!!!!!! This property has been ripped up, cannibalized, redone and vomited back up by it's own creators so many times that any claim to 'continuity' is INVALID! Besides, what are you little fuck bitching about anyway? You're Optimus back as a truck, since they killed him off in "Transformers: The Movie" SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP YOUR GODDAMN WHINING!!! You're making LOTR and Star Wars fans look SANE by comparison.
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:12 a.m. CST
...about Transformers is more sad.
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST
You say "people bitching about people bitching about TRANSFORMERS is more sad". How exactly is that "more sad"? You know, I'm actually looking forward to what Bay does with this film, sure I didn't grow up playing with Transformers, so they aren't a special memory to me or anything, but there comes a point where bitching for bitching's sake must be called out. When Jackson was making THE LORD OF THE RINGS, not once did I look at a picture of Legolas and say "His hair is too long! This ruins everything!" These designs are great, they're modern, they're updated, yet they're still faithful to the original - people need to take a step back and think analytically before they moan.
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:39 a.m. CST
Wow they already made a sweet starscream. It transforms perfectly and resembles the original toys but looks sophisicated and humanoid. http://tinyurl.com/o2xl7 . You fucking suck Michael Bay. Oh and here is the version of Optimus Prime http://tinyurl.com/hr3nd . Kinda makes you wish you had someone with respect for the source material doesn't?
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:52 a.m. CST
Your statement right there is the most telling: "sure I didn't grow up playing with Transformers, so they aren't a special memory to me or anything". There are many of us with whom the property meant much in our childhoods. (And before anyone talks about how small of a fanbase it is, search the web and you'll find it's a lot larger than you think.) Your comparison with Lord of the Rings is off because Peter Jackson was quite a bit more faithful to Tolkien's descriptions than they are being here. (If Legolas had had short, spiky, punked out red hair, you probably would've pooh-poohed the films.) I think the big difference is you are talking about something that began life in a visual medium. The characters that were created were iconic. I can understand moving to update them but there comes a point where you take it too far. Look at the Optimus design. One of the reasons they originally went with a truck for Optimus is because it had a depth, a weight and a heft to the design that spoke volumes of the character. Here, you've lost all of that. You don't get the heft of character. You can barely recognize that it was a truck Optimus transformed from. It's attention to details like that that ruffles our feathers. And what makes people bitching about people bitching about Transformers more sad is that they seem to take personal offense to those of us who want to see this product done right. We're bitching about the merits of the movie and they're bitching about us with even more sting as if we just called their favorite cousin retarded or something. That, to me, is more sad.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST
there are some things u have missing from your rants. yeah sure, they should have car doors coming out of their elbows and wing parts from their knee caps like always, thats a given. but that IS NOT the worst thing that they can change. the SOUND that they make while transformin is what im going to miss. "chu chu chek chek" or however u would go about spelling it, u hardcore fans out there know exactly what im talking about. its in the theme song for every cartoon series so far. and every single transformer makes the same exact sound. i can get into any robot movie regardless of the graphics used to depict them, but without the trademark chu chu che che sound, they are NOT transformers. BTW: any time u make a movie from some other book, comic, or movie it will automatically suck. additionaly, all sequels are worse than the original. with the exception of aliens 2(alien 1,3,4 were total crap). those are like fundamental laws of the universe or something.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST
by Harold The Great
My people in my theatre laughed their asses off when they realized they just watched the teaser for "Transformers - The Movie". And not good kind of laugh.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST
...decomposed since '86 and now haunting the Overlook Hotel.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST
by The Pusher
I can deal with Optimus Prime's flame pattern, but what's the deal with that grill?
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST
Maybe we should just start the rest of our posts with whether we're for or against and go from there so we can all pass on what we don't want to listen to for the 2,000th time... but what's with everyone in here, on every talkback for every movie? everything sucks to most of you, is this the U.S. these days? We're all so spoiled that we have nothing to do but piss and moan about every single thing that isn't just perfect? So if they made them look just like they did in the cartoon, we'd have just as many of you saying they look like shit too... and they're F'n concept drawings, and one full sized model standing there, and most of you have already made their minds up about the whole movie....doesn't that sound awefully stupid???
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST
I would have no problem with the current design if his body were proportional. Big on top, he should be big on the bottom. The "hunchback" or "gorilla" or "crab" design that is currently making the rounds is terrible and MUST be changed. He looks like one of those circus freaks that is only a torso that walks around on their hands. Starscream is sleek and cocky, not a musclehead brute (which is the impression I get from the design). He looks like a monster and nothing like a hopeful-leader-in-waiting like he should.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST
and just because BV said it so well up there, a little recap couldn't hurt... lol "Jesus H. Christ on crutches, you people bitch endlessly! Every single day it's more and more of the same shit from all of you; "This movie's gonna blow", "who cares?", "Michael Bay is a Hack." For fuck's sake, how many ways can you say it? WE GET IT! Now...why don't you all just face the facts and admit that, unless this movie is a shot for shot, word for word reproduction of the cartoon series, you'll NEVER be satisfied? I'm a HUGE TF fan, and even I understood that there would have to be some drastic changes in order for this to work in a real-world scenario. It's not 1984, anymore, you dumbasses. Tape decks are gone. So, kiss Soundwave goodbye. It's NOT viable! And Please, don't EVEN try to tell me that a 50 foot robot turning into a tiny handgun is a realistic concept in a live-action film. Hell, even as a child I thought that was a lame idea. After all the bullshit and bitching I read from you so-called "fans", I'm truly, TRULY ashamed to call MYSELF a fan, anymore. You're worse that the Harry Potter dorks. You're all so very hellbent on judging a film you haven't seen half a second's worth of footage for. So, for Christ's sake, people; if you truly "don't care anymore" then stop posting! You're truly ruining it for the rest of us that actually want to see a Transformer's movie. If it's gonna suck, it'll suck...but I, for one, will wait until after I see the film to come to any conclusions. Flame away, net-nerd TF-zealots!"
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST
if you don't want to hear peolpe bitching just read the story and leave. i do have a life, i do have a sense of perspective, but goddammit, when i'm in a talkback i want to geek out. heh heh, TALKBACKERS... GEEK OUT. that should be the line.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST
These things look like walking towers of shit! Now just imagine how terrible they'll look in action! Well, any small hope I had is now gone...FOREVER!
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:48 a.m. CST
I always wanted to see something like this: the driver of the VW Bug being crushed to a pulp as the vehicle transforms; blood and gore jetting out; tortured screams amplified by the resonant steel. The VW Bug, saying "Eww! Sorry about that. Lets get you back to the Robobase!" Happily, the Bug drives the tortured, bloody, sreaming contorted mess of adolescent male consumer pulp to the RoboBase. "We'll get our best doktors on this!" The ambulance transforms into Dr. Frankenstein and does its best to revive the boy; making him into some abomination of a transforming meat sculpture who coughs up endless goats of oil and blood and pus; all the while screaming in agony, begging for death. The Robots can't understand. He seems to be functioning properly. What is the problem? So they keep him at the RoboBase and continue to add and augment him; essentially keeping him alive in an endless state of whitehot seering agony forever and ever. The End.
Thier design alone shows the transformation into vehicles will be overly CGI.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST
I guess this is how they are going to play it up. Autobots more humanoid, Decepticons as alien as possible and ugly. The faces they're using for the Decepticons are more insect like. Blackout the chopper atleast has hands.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST
No, I didn't. Playhouse, okay, I'll concede to you the point about Legolas in LORD OF THE RINGS having red, spiky hair - that would have annoyed the SHIT out of me. The thing is, though, that this was based on a children's cartoon that was primarily designed to sell toys. I'm not suggesting that this should taint your memories of watching it (and loving it) growing up, and thus having a soft spot for it and a desire for it to be treated with care. What I AM suggesting though, is that, to me, these nitpicks are just that
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST
What no Soundwave?
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST
all you fucks saying that, and i'm thinking of you Grayle. This is bullshit. Most everyone was happy with batman begins, because it was faithful and also made was it's own thing. that's what transformers fans want to see, they don't want michael bay's comments of "i just let my mind run wild" become reality...which it has. So shut the fuck up. Real world scenario? how the fuck does giant transforming robots equate to real world scenario anyway? this is just michael bay being michael bay, they could have easily gone for the more blocky type which was shown done by a fan with his cg of sideswipe and it looked great.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:39 a.m. CST
looking at these things is worse than seeing an aborted baby being eaten by rats in a crack-alley dumpster. Stop the movie. STOP THE MOVIE I SAY!!
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST
Here's the thing - I'm a TF collector and a movie fan. I understand that there will be changes made - hell there should be. The cartoon, from an adult POV, sucked. But then so did many old Superman and XMen comics. However, the changes should be within reason. There have been many transforming robot franchises. If you're making a Transformers film, as opposed to an original franchise, you are clearly hoping to trade on people's fondness for Transformers, and for all their changes certain design aeathetics have stayed. I look at these figures, and I don't think "Transformers". I don't see Prime when I see this Prime, Bumblebee or Starscream, I don't recognize them in the least. Compare this to XMen, when, despite costume changes, it was hard not to see Wolvering, Sabertooth or Magneto. Does any of this mean the movie will suck? No. It's different, but for the moment, it's different in a disappointing way. I am hoping that this ends up like the Batmobile in Batman Begins. I disliked the pics and saw zero familiar elements in the design. But the moment I saw it on screen, I fell in love with it. They've got Cullen for Prime. If they get other good voice actors, get good animation for the bots, and have a solid script, then I am sure all these early, cosmetic complaints will be forgotten quickly.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST
by Captain RawBeard
I am actually looking foward to this movie. And YES I am a fan of the original Transformers. I like the new look Optimus Prime. And all you people bitching about how they look and shit, these are prototypes for the toys - and I bet the facial images for expressions will be mapped on during post production. Stop this fucking Cry Baby bullshit and be glad a live action film of Transformers is coming out. I for one cannot wait.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST
by Captain RawBeard
...are probably the same fucko's who complained that Wolverine wasn't wearing Yellow Spandex, The Batmobile wasn't the same penis extension as the other movies. Hulk didnt look real enough (show me a real 18 foot monster and then I will draw comparisons). WAH WAH BLOODY WAH Goddamit all you hating fucks, why cant you just give something a chance. Wait til you seem some goddamn final footage before you condemn the film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST
Well you can! He kind of looks creepy like a naked Barbie doll.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST
too much of a clusterfuck
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST
Way too much going on there. And they still give no reason why optimus prime has to have flames. WHY?? I mean we already gotta suspend belief that robots can transform, why cant we just see a plain blue, red truck? why is that so hard? They say they are listening to fans making this movie, thats bullshit,cuz if they were theyd forget about flames on Optimus. OR if they believed in the flames so much at least give a reason why the design is necessary for THIS film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:36 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
The only positive thing is the scale of the robots. That's it. Kiss my ass Speilberg! Fuck you Don Murphy. Muthafuck you Michael Bay!
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST
by Son of Batman
a legitimate gripe, especially because they lied to justify its exclusion. These Transformers photos show giant robots that transform into vehicles. Anyone who thinks that they should remain looking exactly like the toys/cartoons is incredibly naive and not very creative.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:54 a.m. CST
and if you go back and look at the talkbacks for batman begins, you'll see endless pages of whine whine whine of how it was going to suck before anyone even saw a single clip of the final product... wow, just like this board and every other...hmmm you kids are funny....lol
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST
There's no way Sam or Spike or whatever his name is would bond with that creepy huge skeletal thing. Of course it wouldn't make sense if a Camaro, or even a VW Bug transformed into a 6-foot robot, but 12-foot would be feasible. That thing is the size of Optimus Prime in the cartoon for chrissakes. If they'd compacted him more, made the car parts look recognizable, he could easily be 12 feet tall. Prime looks fine, actually, but Starscream, if that's really him, looks horrible. They should've made the police car Prowl, dammit. The idea of everyday vehicles vs. huge military weapons is lost, especially with Ratchet being a Humvee or whatever. Too bad.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST
between the ages of 27-32. Transformers' appeal is the characters, and to me, these look like alien machines, not characters.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Son of Batman
and all the pre-release whinging was revealed to be justified, at least in my opinion.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST
The cartoons and toy lines that were popular in the 80's should stay in the 80's. The better part of my youth was spent in that decade, and I'd perfer those sweet memories of Saturday morning to remain memories. I really don't care about the design, flames or whatever crap most of these talkbacker's fling, I just can't ever see a way that I'm going to be excited to see this movie. It isn't too far fetched to say that Hollywood's creativity has run dry. Just please, spare us from Madballs the movie.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST
that the characters should look that bad and damn near unrecognizable. Since Volkswagon put the kibosh on Bumblebee (funny, I guess they don't mind that their car was designed by Nazis but they refuse to show their car in a war?) he should have been a Ford Focus...Compared to the dude in the pic, he's way too big. To all the artists and designers involved with this disaster, you all failed...MISERABLY!!!! WTF is going on with Prime's feet!!!!
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST
Nothing is more true to the spirit of the transformers than the desire to sell new toys. This will sell new toys. Hell, I would buy these. Go Bay Go. Sell these toys to the children. Let the fat nerds who work in comic book stores and computer I.T. departments fend for themselves. Rape their childhoods. They deserve it this time. (I'm gonna watch this movie three times just to make up for some of you whiny boy tantrummers!) Now if only they'd fire Peter Cullen. I'm so sick of that pussy.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:44 p.m. CST
Very cool pics - and I'm not a Transformers 'fan' at all (I have no idea about the intricate mythos which has been built)...but this looks to be an awesome film! "Looks" at least. I hope it is as fun as it looks.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST
How could the leave him out for fucks sake...
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:51 p.m. CST
So it is in essence a comic book movie. We ain't talking Humans wearing yellow leather, that arugment holds no water in this context of fucking gigantic robotic beings from another world. We were told via the murphy board this is based in part on G-1, the John Rogers script was G-1 based. I can accept fugly decepticon designs, that doesn't mean i really like it. The rumored dialogue between the deceps and megatron intitially wll be cybertronian dialect whatever the fuck that is, and will be subtiitled in english on screen. I hate the squatscream design and the head sculpt looks like shit. Blackouts design upstages the original decepticon wrecking crew known as starscream and the seekers.
Aug. 19, 2006, 12:53 p.m. CST
all time in terms of revenue. Simply because it's got massive giant robots that transform and has big guns! Look at the transformers Citroen advert, all it did was dance and everybody went "wow". The designs look great and Prime looks 10 times better.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST
by andrew coleman
Was I the only person amazingly bored this summer? It was all comedies and basically two big films which both failed for me. Superman Returns had one great scene the rest was "meh". Then POTC:DMC ripped off a dozen movies and guessed the entire plot 10 minutes in. So frankly I'm ready for Spider-man and then Transformers to blow shit up next summer. I can't wait I find it unfair I have to wait several months actually. So I think we should all at least be happy the next summer is already going to be a hell of a lot more fun than this one.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST
Starscream looks CRAP. I can accept the designs on this post. But you're missing STARSCREAM. I HATE the Starscream design. GARBAGE. RETAINS ZERO of his original character.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST
What's with the segmented body armor? I don't understand how several of those much smaller pieces assemble into one solid hood or fenders, for example. There are no seams and yet they just break up into smaller parts when transforming from vehicle mode?
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST
Only thing you're gonna get him to say in front of a mic anymore is "BRRRRRAAAAIIIINNNSSSSSS!!!!!" Who wants to bet that they get Casey Casem to do Bumblebee? Be curious to see which one gets paid more for this job: him or Cullen?
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST
What gets me is that a lot of you people think this is all Micheal Bay's fault. Don't you realize that all transformers ever meant to do was sell toys. So making a movie with G1 designs isn't good for Hasbro. They need new designs so they can sell new toys. I mean they are releasing classics in the fall, so why would people want to buy those and then buy the same toy in a different package 8 months later? Hasbro has as much to do with the character design as does Bay. So stop hating on him so much. The movie is gonna be awesome. The designs rule. Enough said.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:18 p.m. CST
Millions of geeks cried out in shock then were suddenly silenced.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST
Even the legal credits on the film says "BASED ON THE LINE OF HASBRO ACTION FIGURES." Yes, the three all happened in about 16 months of Hasbro signing the deal with Takara in late '83, early '84. If Marvel thought it up or owned that part of the pie they would have surely been involved in this film and they are not. The Marvel comic even copied the cartoon storyline with the Ark crashing on earth etc.... It was a pretty cool comic though and a little darker and more well written than the cartoon much like G.I.JOE.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST
Was a toyline, then a comic, then a cartoon. The comic started as a bi-monthly miniseries and proved so popular that they chose to continue it.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:25 p.m. CST
I kind of like the designs. If you look at a lot of the cartoon designs and comic book drawings from 1984-85, there is a strong argument to be made that their designs are not exactly adaptable to a live-action film. I know these take some MAJOR liberties and they probably could have designed them with greater fidelity to the original designs but if you look at some of the older toys, the designs are fairly blocky and look like robots with some car parts here and there. If its a "real-world" kind of film with some kind of "physical logic." Ah hell, I just talked myself out of it. I still think Bay will probably make a shitty film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST
As a fan, I was hoping for more of a G1 look. Imagine watching a cartoon and reading comic books about Luke Skywalker all your life... never seeing him in a movie. And Luke had an awesome X-pilot outfit he wore all the time in the comics. Then the time came where this Bay guy comes along and says, I'll make a Star Wars movie... and has Luke dressed up like Priscilla, Queen of the Desert complete with flames, 6 inche heels and sequins.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST
Did cyberpsygen7 just say "alien 1 (was) total crap"? o_O
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST
...but then again, I'm not a parent's basement dwelling, Transformers flash reading, "there is no movie without Shockwave" kinda guy.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST
The designs in themselves are pretty awesome and different, though they might lose a lot of the icon-ness of each individual autobot. As far as toys, unless Hasbro plans on releaseing some First Grade level GUndam Box type kit for $500, the toys will always be sub par in teh detail department. Unless you get McFarlene Toys to do them, but their stuff ain't fun and posable enough to play with...
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:30 p.m. CST
I know what you mean about the series being released right around the same time or maybe even before the cartoon, but I thought the cartoon was in production in Korea before the Marvel comic was planned and that Hasbro fed Marvel the cartoon storylines. For what its worth, I liked both the cartoon and the comic book, but if I had to pick one I liked that original Transformers comic book series better. The story was a little bit more mature, a bit more violent, and the few humans were not cardboard characters. It was something that I hoped the movie might aspire to be. Even the original series after the mini-series was pretty good.
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST
I am absolutely certain that the comic was released in the US before the cartoon debuted. The early issues of the comic differed considerably from the cartoon - the character designs more closely resembled the toys, and Ravage speaking spring to mind immediately. By the time they got to the 3rd or 4th issue, the comic characters started to resemble their cartoon forms, but even then the comic ingnored the cartoon and followed its own continuity (can you imagine the cartoon putting Ratbat in charge of the Decepticons?)
Aug. 19, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST
I have a deep emotional/spiritual connection to this Toy Commercial. Like many of you, it got beamed into my head at an impressionable age. When I bought the toys I felt good inside; I had fulfilled the consumer-spiritual imperative. When I didn't buy them, I felt bad. If only I had these products! Then I wouldn't feel so empty inside. Thankfully there was XMa$. What would Jesus buy? Why, TRANSFORMERS, of course! I fell asleep and had a dream that Optimus was Joseph, Mary was Arcee, and HotRod was Jesus. When I awoke, Consumer-Je$u$ / $anta Klau$ / Brainwashed Clueless Parents gave me TRANSFORMERS!!! PRAISE JESUS!!! PRAISE OPTIMUS PRIME!!! **** The TRANSFORMERS will undoubtedly make more money than god in less than a fortnight. Its guaranteed to be in the top 20, if not top 10, if not the greatest money making film of all time. So please do stop whining about the way they look. It really doesn
The point isn't that the designs aren't like the originals. The point is that they're kinda clunky, junky and ugly. I agree with Gaius that they may have been intentionally alien looking, in keeping with the plot. But as robot designs, they're just out of date. They're too aggro and Spawn-esque. If this had come out in the late eighties/early ninties, I'd have said, "oooh, hot! Give them a blasted soot and scratched paint patina, and you've got me." But these days, robot design all about retro-hip. The comics do a great job capturing the boxy, retro feel, but with a hipper, sexier attitude. The movie designs should take that further. Those citroen commercials captured it perfectly, especially the one with the break-dancing transformer. Totally retro-hip. This movie is going in entirely the wrong direction. The flaming truck looks like a white yuppy marketer's idea of pimped out. All I can think of is the 'Snakes on a Plane' thing, where the marketers wanted to call it "Flight 927" or some shit like that. They're trying to be hip, but they're ten years out of date. Or when WB tried to update the Loony-Toons characters to look more modern and anime. This is the same nonsense. They're missing the boat. Someone needs to get their finger back on the pulse of pop culture. Oh, and Bumblebee should have been a Mini Cooper.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2 p.m. CST
You're a crazy muthafucker, man. That thing about the guy trapped in a transfroming autobot: that was excellent! I agree on all your points, but this isn't about hype, or money, or Hasbro or fucking Star Wars. This is about a fanbase starved, STARVED for giant fuckin' robots! Will the madness end? Give us our bad-ass giant fuckin' robots! GIVE THEM TO US!!!
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST
Hasbro contracted Marvel to make up a story around the Takara figures. The Marvel guys then came up with all the names and personalities and the storyline with the Ark, etc, so you really have to credit them with a lot of what made the Transformers work. The Sunbow cartoon pretty closely followed the comic miniseries but then went off on it's own direction later.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST
YUP... I think that unless you were not allowed to swear,cavetch,bitch,fuck that,full of shit,damn this,damn that,(seven words you cant say on television)negative this,I'll argue for no reason that..I'll attack that persons opinion this,I dont agree with this person's opinion that. Talkback would be and only have only five maybe ten people a piece. and before you voice an opinion on wat I have just stated..remember what I just said...see told ya.. People just like Movies,tv and books..is that so wrong... P.S have a nice day.... (By the way...Transformers..there I mentioned a movie..so this counts)
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:32 p.m. CST
Hate to break it to you but I can almost guarantee that these designs will make bad ass toys. Hasbro/Takara have come a long, long way since the early 80s when it comes to details. Looking at these designs, I can pretty much guess how they'll transform based entirely off the Alternators/Binaltech toy lines, which take 100% real car models and make them excellent transforming robots. Those toys have a large amount of exposed 'parts' as well, which makes me believe they were a large part of the inspiration on these designs. Hey, and on that Starscream pic, is it just me or does he look like he's got a beard?!
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST
by Rodimus Ben
To every nerd on this board who is complaining that the robots don't look like G1, how Bay has taken too many liberties or that some change or another is akin to sacrelige-- shut up, sit down, and let the rest of us enjoy life. Your opinions are ignorant, uninformed, biased and cynical. They reveal how pathetic you are, how out of whack your priorities are and how depressing your lives must be. Stop making the rest of us miserable (yeah right). To everyone else, celebrate in your anticipation of this intriguing film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST
I'm just being a dick, as usual. But, yo, in all seriously, TRANSFORMERS really just isn't that cool. I mean, its kinda cool, I guess, but what I want, what I really, really want is a quality giant robot story -- in short: bring on the Weta NEON GENESIS EVANGELION live action movie!!! (Or give GUNDAM another shot: a movie based on the original story, not the crappy spin-offs, would rock my geeksoul to its very foundations. Oh, or MACROSS!). I reckon that the best thing about the TRANSFOMERS movie will be that its gonna make a hundred bazillion dollars thereby paving the way for EVANGELION to blow peoples minds.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST
I know that soon after Hasbro bought the figures from Takara they had a general backstory and a character hierarchy that they mapped out internally. They needed some fleshing out so they hired Marvel and also started the creation of a cartoon. I know that Shooter and his boys take some credit for the names and their "backstories", etc... but the basic story (on the most basic level) and the hierarchy of the characters of the cartoon were the same and which were all evolved from Hasbro via Takara. The execution of those characters and stories were divergent from the cartoon series and you can see, as discussed above how the Marvel comic eventually merged to reflect the cartoon. Shooter and the writers may have thought of some names (I think one of the guys actually claims to have thought of the name "Optimus Prime" or "Megatron" - which sound like a fairly "western" in origin) - all of which Hasbro owned anyway - but most of these were replaced by those of the more simplistic cartoon, which had the same origin points, character traits, and visuals - but decidedly different (again some would say simpler) execution on many levels. I'm sure it wasn't the highest priority anyway for Shooter and Marvel as they essentially owned none of it and were probably not psyched about making a comic about a series of action figures. But for what it's worth I thought they did a good job in that original miniseries. But I think its more difficult to say who created whom on this front and how much of a particular character came from a certain source - especially when its clear from a legal standpoint that Hasbro owns EVERYTHING.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:56 p.m. CST
I'm not trying to assert anything as absolute truth, I'm just trying to explain the way that I understood the history of this product.
Aug. 19, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST
I am a freelance illustrator and people commission me to work on comic characters and whatnot. Most of the time they allow me artistic freedom which allows me to do the best possible work. Most of the time my clients email me detailed pictures and/or shots that they would like their chracters to be in or to give me an idea of what they want said chracter to look like. Sometimes I am not familiar with the character so I go to the reference provided me by the client. I will add special touches here and there but always remain true to the character and never drastically changing its original design which is the essence of the character. That is a fundamental issue when trying to please my clients and keeps them coming back to me for more. With Transformers it seems they forgot about the very thing which made them popular in the first place. I can't even tell who they are anymore. I can understand updated designs, hell, I would even encourage some changes so as not to make them as blocky as they were in the cartoon. However, I would make it so they are still 90-95% what they looked like so when fans go to the multiplex, they go "Hey, look, it's Bumblebee, he's not a VW Bug but he's a Mini-Cooper, yet that still looks like the Bumblebee I remember." or Hey "Starscream looks fuckin' badass as an FA-18 Fighter, and he still retains his arm cannons and looks almost exactly like he did back in the day." Let's be real, These designs are just awful, the robotics looks like they were made by Nasa or something, Transformers didn't have exoskeletons and their internal parts were never exposed except for Prime when he would take out the Matrix. Absolutely nothing what made Transformers, Transformers remains. There is no human quality that we identified with so much back in the cartoon.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST
and thus doesn't belong on the leader of the Autobots. Flames aside, the designs are horrible. Don't expose all of their internal mechanisms and don't go hog wild crazy adding on too many oranments.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST
Looks like the same guy that designed Number5 did the design for these. If the transformers were made and designed on earth then those designs might make sense but they're supposed to be from Cybertron using advanced technology/design.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST
This is how it went: Takara had a bunch of robot toy lines that they marketed in Japan. Hasbro got a look at them and decided to combine them into one toyline they could market in the U.S. Hasbro then went to Marvel Comics, much as they had with G.I. Joe, to create the backstory and characterizations based on the toy designs Takara had. When Sunbow was brought into the mix - even though Marvel's name was attached to the cartoon - they decided to separate themselves from the Marvel Universe. (If you look back at the initial TF mini-series from Marvel and then the first issues of the regular series, TF was very much a part of the Marvel U. In fact, the Dinobots came from the Savage Land. They eventually retconned the majority of this out.) That's why you have such a distinction between the comics and the cartoon. Then, of course, the cartoon universe significantly changed in the U.S. after Transformers: The Movie came out in '86. The comics didn't intially follow suit, though Marvel UK really incorporated various components from the movie to create their own storyline. The Japanese continued with their own animated story, which eventually came back to the U.S. in the forms of the various spinoffs we've seen in the last 10 years.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST
I agree with Doc_Strange. I've been a character animator in video games for over 10 years now so I've seen my share of character designs. These are poor because they ignore some basic rules in character design. Part of the reason the ship designs from the Original Star Wars Trilogy worked so well and became so iconic is because they were very simple designs. Basic shapes that created very distinct profiles on film. These new Transformer designs, like others have mentioned, are much too detailed, or 'busy'. The eye has a hard time finding the relevant shapes and the profile becomes less defined. Good designs would have found a middle ground between the classic and very simple look of the Originals while updating it for a new audience and making them functional for transformation. Less is always more in design!! I'm sure these will be 'cool' on screen but they could be so much better. And before you say it, I'm not being too picky. These are things the Preproduction crew on this film should be thinking about.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:30 p.m. CST
Then why are they going forward with the FUCKEN FLAMES!?!?!?
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST
They ruined the Transformers! RUINED THEM!!!! FUCK YOU MICHAEL BAY!!! Now if you'll excuse me, my mommy is calling me for dinner.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST
I think these kick ass. I can't wait to see them in the movie, in action. Yeah people complain about that they don't look like the cartoons, but for a movie it needs to look more complex and more machine like, else people [those that are NOT familier] will never buy it. My only major concern is the humans getting too much screen time and being too much the focal point of the movie. Other then that, these designs work for me. Btw...Anyone notice that Quints last update was taken down?
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST
While all of you were watching Transformers and collecting those cool transforming toys, I was working in a cave making sneakers and playing with the mice and cockroaches, who were my only friends. If the CGI is good I'll catch this. Are they going to make Godzilla 2?
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:48 p.m. CST
Are they going to make a live-action Hello Kitty?
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST
I certainly appreciate your point of view. But I would say that these aren't nitpicks. A nitpick would be if they came out the exact same design of Optimus as the G1 model and didn't include the silver strip that bisected the cab horizontally. Or complaining about the decal designs on Barricade (the police car) where is says "To Protect and Enslave" and has pretty prominent Decepticon symbols. Those are nitpicky things. These are actually concerns over characterization. While I'll admit that there is definitely an adverse aesthetic reaction for me in seeing Prime with the flames, I think the bigger issue is that it really doesn't fit with the character of Prime. Prime is stoic, reserved, commands respect and authority. The flames actually take away from those aspects of the character. Nevermind the fact that you really don't find a majority of truckers adding that kind of design to their rigs, unless they are touring a monster truck circuit or arm wrestling tour (a little Lincoln Hawk shoutout for ya there - It's like a switch...). Most truckers would have a pretty staid paint scheme, with perhaps flashy logos on the doors. Prime, not a character looking to stand out in the crowd, wouldn't arbitrarily add this kind of attention-grabbing fluff to his disguise. I understand that the big argument is that this came from a toy line and much of these design choices are geared towards pushing toys marketed for the film. I'm all for that. Don't sacrifice character as a result. And design choices like these sacrifice character. Starscream alone is way off. He might have been formidable in a fight with weapons but he never came off as physically imposing in comparison to the other Transformers. That added to the sniveling characterization with wanton powerlust and backstabbing schemes always just behind his eyes. Starscream was derived from Iago if any other character. And the relationship between Othello and Iago was that Othello was the beefier, brawnier of the two. Iago was the conniving, twisted brains set on taking Othello down. He wasn't physically imposing but he was still threatening. Starscream was much the same. Now, with these new designs, we look like we've got a linebacker from the Steel Curtain. Nevermind the fact that they've gone with ID4 faces for all the Decepticons. The big point is that these aren't nitpicky things. These are things that actually speak to characterization, which should be a big part of any movie, no matter how much fun you might be looking for from it. They detract from the characterizations that helped make this property so popular.
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST
I meant to say it says "To Punish and Enslave" on Barricade.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:01 p.m. CST
Fromhis blog found here: http://www.michaelbay.com/blog/newsblog.html I (Nelson) just barely caught Michael in between takes. Among the things he mentioned: 1- They will be releasing more teaser posters in the coming months. 2- Paramount made studies and concluded that the TF "ANNOUNCEMENT" was the 2nd highest rated "teaser" this summer. 3.- They just finished shooting a lot of Pentagon interiors on a soundstage in scenes that involved many Chiefs of staff in their huge war room. 4.- Shia just was recently suspended over the edge of a 20 story building in a very dynamic and intense scene. 5.- The average transformation time from normal mode to alt mode and vice versa is about 3 to 4 seconds. 6.- The leaked pictures are legit (although a somewhat early rendering). 7.- Filming of massive chase scenes will begin in the following weeks. 8.- The CGI transformations by ILM are looking wicked and nastier every single day. 9.- Part 1 will be about why the transformers came to earth. 10.- This movie will be a new start for the live action franchise that will not be based on any particular TF TV series and/or comic book. And last but certainly not least, the Autobots are: Optimus Prime: idealistic view of humanity. Bumblebee: underdog, spy, most "connected" to humans Jazz: style, loyal, eager, contemporary Ratchet: new form, medical officer, science officer. Emergency vehicle. Ironhide: tough, tough stare, first in battle, classic cowboy, gritty. Optimus' oldest friend. Decepticons are: Megatron: survival of the fittest, social darwinism, less idealistic view of humanity. Sees himself as advanced, sees humans as lower. Starscream: seems faithful but plotting, "we will see a lot of that dynamic," explains why he does not push it, waits for his opportunity. Brawl: eager for battle, jumps in. From non-G1 character, experimental, but will be in sequels. First disguised non-flyer. Bonecrusher: closest to constructicon but not giving away mode. Hates other cons except Megatron. Doesn't want friends. Barricade: scout, hunter, lures into trap. Scorponok: closest to Beast Wars, fitted to environment. Frenzy: "had some evolution for us," started off as Soundwave but had contradictions and changed to stay truer to G1. Smaller, able to infiltrate. Stealth spy, can hide anywhere. Blackout: comes in, takes out fighting ability, sends EMP, first-tier attack, transporter, biggest vehicle.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST
looks like they were designed by some Tokyo Drift wanna-be motherfuckers.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST
Transformers wasn't a cartoon THEN a comic book. The cartoon and comic book came out in the same month and year. Maybe one came out a week or so before the other, but the time difference is moot. September 1984 saw the birth of both the cartoon AND the comic series.
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST
but at the end of the day they do look kinda cool and more uh.. realistic i guess
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST
I just saw the pictures of Starscream in robot form. He looks like an ape with the legs of a chicken. Now, say it with me class, what does this make him? A cockmonkey. *shakes head sadly*
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST
I'm curious to see this film, despite my concerns. Mostly because I want to see what sort of a movie can be made from the same director who released a trailer featuring jeep tracks and blue, cloudy skies on Mars. ;)
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:31 p.m. CST
Aug. 19, 2006, 4:31 p.m. CST
I get that they were a pretty much a simulataneous launch. Just trying to determine the origins of characters and stories, etc... Fun posts guys. Good times remembering back to September 84 and starting third grade, etc.... Well I'm off to see SNAKES ON A PLANE. If any new pic.'s surface me you can text me at 1-866-IMADORK. Kidding guys.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST
I totally realize, Destro will most likely get a drastic makeover, because of the mask, and how he was presented in the cartoon. I just hope they keep that bad ass red collar he was rockin'. Cobra Commander however, better not be changed at all, outside of maybe a new helmet design. The raghead classic version of him was perfect, and could be easily translated to the screen. Although, they'd most likely have to darken the blue just a tad. Now, about these Transformers designs... I just saw Starscream, and I gotta agree, he looks terrible. Blackout looks nifty though.
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST
scroll up to see my "nerdathon "post. you guys did not disappoint! kept me entertained til like 2am. I haven't had this much nerd hilarity since the LotR movies were in production. nerds! nerds! nerds! nerds! yes!!!! it's like crack to me to hear nerds whine at each other and argue, nothing is funnier...nothing, really...
Aug. 19, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST
and then i saw these pictures. now it's going to simply be a cool movie about robots....and a horrible Transformers adaptation. only hope that in 15-20 years they can "re-do" the franchise (that is, if it becomes a franchise) and go back to basics w/ the CLASSIC DESIGNS!! no f**king flames and where is the Volkswagen BUG?!?!? WHY isn't this movie set in the 1980s???? this story only makes SENSE if it's set in the 80's!!! ugh..... i hate hollywood sometimes...
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST
These are just complicated for the sake of being complicated. Should be much blockier and, well... true to G1. Stop trying to go for a sense of "realism" here. It's giant talking robots that transform into vehicles - it's not reality.
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:19 p.m. CST
a guy who said you could astronauts no im sorry Rig workers on a asteroid and dig a hole on it and drop in a nuke way to go Speilburg on picking this Douche!
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:26 p.m. CST
These pictures should have been shown before the webcast yesterday.
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:35 p.m. CST
You're sick in thinking of a human-squashing transformation but you're not alone: http://www.pbfcomics.com/?cid=PBF077AD-Disassemble.jpg#146
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:36 p.m. CST
If they had tried to stay faithful to G1 I'd be ok but come on there is only Three Decepticon i recognize The Robot designs look like straight ass. I mean you can say thats opinion but Bumble looks like Fucking Johnny 5, Prime looks like Robot satin, and Starscream looks like ED209 from robocop.
Aug. 19, 2006, 6:45 p.m. CST
Bay = moron (cause its worth saying again, and again and again until Hollywood believes it
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:20 p.m. CST
by A G
You people make me laugh you really do. Have you seen the original designs for these pieces of shit ? They look like they are built from lego. The new designs are totally logical and completely neccessary regardless of what you believe. Respect for the source material he says ! THE SOURCE MATERIAL ! AHAHAH the source material is a fucking 20 year old 20 minute childrens' cartoon ! Some of these comments are trully priceless. What have they done to Starscream!!! If you really feel that way about the logical re-design of a CARTOON CHARACTER from many many years ago then you need to just stop. Stop everything. Don't bother interacting with the real world anymore because you are behond help. Did Optimus Prime really need flames ? Of course not but let's remind ourselves, the original Optimus Prime looked like..DUN DUN DUN...a piece of blocky shit. It probably pains some of you to actually hear that. This is a Transformers film, think about that, the Transformers, from the planet CYBERTRON, who are old cars and in some cases TAPE DECKS who turn into robots. The source material for this film is completely inconsequential to any updates. You see, the characters and plot were conceived for the purpose of making money, if Optimus Prime had turned into a magical pirate ship in the cartoon because at that point pirates were cool, then you would all be complaining if he was updated into a tank or something. The reason this film is being made is because of you idiots who will buy anything with the brand name on it. Can you actually imagine a Transformers film in the 21st century that had robots turning into giant guns, OLD cars and fucking no longer manufactured radios. Wow he turned into a boombox this shit is futuristi man!!! SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP SHUT THE FUCK UP
Aug. 19, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST
There I said.....better?
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST
The face of Blackout looks like Brundle Fly combined with a machine. Oh, it looks cool, it just doesn't look futuristic robot cool.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST
You all need to chill out. After you stopped watching transformers and the show was taken off the air. the transformers made multiple comebacks each with their looks changing so shut the fuck up about the changes..... you stopped watching and they kept changing..... besides they didnt look anything like cars on cybertron dumbfucks. Just google some pics of transformers and look at all the different toys that have come out and all the different vehicles they have all been. Jesus you guys are fucking uninformed. Oh and rodimus prime was a total fuck head , a damn sports car semi???? or did we forget? what the fuck was that. I think i can deal with optimus's changes, shit anyones changes in the live action movie compared to the orig movie were optimus dies, ultra magnes gets punked, star screem killed, and hot rod turns into rodimus prime and takes over for optimus......... that was way more FUCKED than these changes ass holes! The only real cool things that happened in the old movie was the shitty insectacons being changed into the galvatrons armada and Orson Welles as Unicron. whiny bitches! I do agree that optimus dosent need flames..... only because just being optimus prime is bad ass enough. Just be happy they let a childrens cartoon voice over actor (Peter Cullen) do Optimus's voice.... THAT WAS FOR ALL OF YOU WHINY BITCHES THAT THEY KNEW WERE GONNA CRY OVER VISUAL CHANGES!!!!!!! BE HAPPY.... they could have got someone with way acting ability to play that role.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:08 p.m. CST
working on this movie in this TB. It'd be nice if they offered some logical rebuttal that would show their thought process on why they did what they did. I also think they should keep in mind it's THE FANS that made this thing popular in the first place and if they expect the fans to just sit back and complacently say that they love, love, love how everything has changed then they don't deserve to work on the Transformers movie.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST
Why would it look futuristic? Weren't the transformers dormant on Earth for millions of years? ;)
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST
because every one of those robots look exactly the same with different paint jobs. Way to rob them of personality.
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:26 p.m. CST
Ha! The FANS???? The "fans" didnt keep watching... they grew up. and then there were new fans that didnt know of G1 that grew up and stopped watching too ..... and then there were others again not knowing of prev generations...... these "fans" you speak of were KIDS!!!!! we all were geez. Yeah i want a live action kids movie with shitty old 80s vehicles and illogical things like a gun that grows into a robot 1000 or more times its size, a tape deck (what you want an ipod now?) that did the same...... god damn is that "logical" enough for you veritasses?
Aug. 19, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST
Generic and uninspired.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:09 p.m. CST
Wait until they decide to make a Care Bears Movie and change Grumpy Bear to Bipolar Disorder Bear. He'll have new friends such as Melancholia Bear and Monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI) Bear, and they'll all end up hooked on Prozac and Paxil... to begin with. This would ofcourse constitute an obvious attempt to molest your childhood, forcing you not only onto the internet, but maybe even the streets. WWIII will be the result. God knows that nothing is more important than protecting the sacred Scriptures of our Childhood. These shows are God's gift to humanity...
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:17 p.m. CST
All i have to say, is sometimes you have to trade realism for fantasy. Yes the idea of a handgun or a tape player turning into a giant robot is rediculous, but this is a fucking movie! a fucking movie about fucking giant robots no less! Who the fuck cares if it's not real or can't happen?!? I would rather have a handgun and tape deck turn into a giant robot, and have Optimus Prime actually LOOK like or close to the cartoon version , than this "realistic" mutated horse shit that is the character designs! Is it all Michael Bay's fault? I don't know, and I don't care. Bottom line is that in the quest for "realism" the coolness that was the cartoon and toy line from which this movie is based has been pissed away. Call it anything but transformers and it might be okay, but put that name on it and there have to be some standards! Did nobody learn anything from Masters of the Universe, or Super Mario Bros.? THEY fucked over the source material for the sake of realism and look what piles of shit THOSE movies are??
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:23 p.m. CST
I haven't posted here on this since they showed that last pick of Prime. The first one where we saw the flames. I officially call this fiml dead. It is a BOMB not "tha Bomb" as it was said above, but A BOMB as in a huge steaming pile that Bay is getting ready to drop on the unsuspecting public. Fuck all of you that think this is great, it isn't. It's NOT transformers, and it's going to suck. Think about how many times you parents of the kids who will get these screwed up toys will be the ones transforming them. No child has the attention span to want to transform anything that looks this overly complicated. I swear the bots in this shitflick aren't even remotely good looking and the images they have up look no better than video game renders on a PS2. I stopped posting for a reason. This movie needs to tank harder than Catwoman, and anyone who claims to be a Transformers Fan should NOT see this. DEMAND better. DEMAND that this be given the same respect that other super hero movie have been given. BOYCOTT THIS MOVIE!, or just accept it now that you are Hollywood and Michael Bays Bitch and bend over to take that flaming Prime right up your ass, 'cause you know you like it. Damn it, shit like this makes me hate movies.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST
by Rael Trajan
Speech and sound effects were always Transoformers' greatest strength.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST
and i won't be seeing it because I couldn't sit through 90 minutes of butchering of my childhood. I was so fucking excited that you would need a team of plastic surgeons to remove my goddamn smile...until i say these pics. this fuckover is as close to the real thing, as Turkish Star Wars
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:32 p.m. CST
I won't have to be there to take the kick in the nuts when the transforming sound is replaced by the melody of chains and gears and locking metal clangs like a fucking garage door.
Aug. 19, 2006, 9:33 p.m. CST
The characters made the show... and the basic concept, or 'hook', on which the show and the toys were able to sucker your parents away from their hard earned cash (or not, that depends i guess): robots that transformed into mundane objects so as to fool the petty humans with their heads up their collective ass. Shit, maybe there's an 'animist' theme that could be explored, not that that would interest you 'realists', 'fundamentalists' and 'pragmatists' (not to mention thomists, averroists, vitalists and pantheists). Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye. Obviously not for you purists... Why don't you wait unitl Bay really fucks up the movie?
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST
Yup..thats where he needs to have his butt handed to him...murderworld..take a walk in the hall of mirrors or something..that is if you were talkig of me earlier...If not..I'll have Arcade cancel the hit...P.S. Have a nice day...
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:10 p.m. CST
Habro and Takara: Please remove all Transformers-related material from this film. Names, logos... ALL OF IT. THIS IS GO-BOTS 2007.
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:35 p.m. CST
Guess who all the people are on this AICN TB that are all pissed at the $hitty design? If you want to hear "Wow! That's great, cool, neat-o!" and other meaningless, baseless praise, then you should go troll the idiot boards over at Yahoo. If you want to hear criticism from geeks and nerds who know a thing or two about the show and know what's cool vs what's crap, then why don't you listen to the constructive feedback here and fix the problems. Bottom line, do you want to make a movie that has a chance of being one of the great films we remember fondly or do you want to make a movie that might make a lot of money because of all the "kids" who don't know about G1 Transformers, but which will forever be mentioned as a piece of $hit film like we do with movies like 'Fantasitc Four'? Why not make something you're going to be proud of?
Aug. 19, 2006, 10:45 p.m. CST
There's your Optimus line, right there. lol I'm still not diggin' on the skeletal design. They look like constructs rather than sentient beings, which defeats the whole idea. Stupid decision after stupid decision on this movie.... Anyone know who's doing the soundtrack for this? A good musical selection could save even a Michael Bay film.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:04 p.m. CST
by all your base
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST
I thought Devastator was supposed to be in this? There was some picture a few months back of a twin-turret tank that was supposed to be Devastator. o make devastator a combination of the Constructicons, then they decide to leave him out altogether?
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:29 p.m. CST
GoBots weren't 1/2 bad... this is 100% horrid. These look nothing like Transformers or Gobots... these look like Macross mecha kits. What was wrong with the Alternators toy style of Transformers? They maintained their overall signature robot look (apart from Prime), but updated the car alt mode. Looked good. Starscream looks like ass. Actually... worse than ass. He has absolutly no resemblance to ANYTHING Starscream I have ever seen. In all the re-imaginings of the Transformers mythos since the original cartoons (Energon, Armada, Cybertron, etc) there have been certain traits that were NOT touched. Optimus's face being one (which from the looks of the pic, holds true here) and another being Starscream's face and his head being nestled between the intake filters. This bastardization of Bay's shows little respect at all. And the fact that the Decepticon's have Skorpinok, but the Autobots can't have dinobots due to a "lack of realism" is preponderous! I hope to god the production staff suffer heart attacks or strokes so this abomination will cease to be made.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST
Good GOD! I pray that is not the final model for Starscream! He should look like a robot, not a freakin APE with gatling guns for arms! WTF?! Bay, while you're at it, why not have them all follow the "Pretenders" line... they could have fleshy shells cover them up! This could be the new Terminator! Ugh...! What a waste.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:37 p.m. CST
Pull the license! Make Bay get permission from some North Korean Transformers knockoff brand. This is now Transformers in name only. It should be renamed Super Mecha-Changing Mega Robot Force or something.
Aug. 19, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST
I thought Devastator was supposed to be in this? There was some picture a few months back of a twin-turret tank that was supposed to be Devastator. o make devastator a combination of the Constructicons, then they decide to leave him out altogether?
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:32 a.m. CST
"You have 10 seconds to drop your weapon"
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:43 a.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST
If you look at the pic of Optimus in robot form, you can see that with the design that they chose, it was the only way to make his upper body red and his legs blue. I'm not defending the design, just stating why they must have chosen flames, after the physical design was made. Check out the photo again. You will see what I mean.
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:48 a.m. CST
Prime is a metrosexual.
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:57 a.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST
I was wondering why we hadn't seen you chime in on the latest developments.
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST
The tank you saw pictures of and which everyone thought was named Devastator is actually Brawl in the movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:54 a.m. CST
IM SO FUCKING ANGRY I WOKE UP FROM A GOOD DREAM BECAUSE IT WAS RUINED THINKING ABOUT THIS SHIT! This movie is NOT Transformers, and it NEVER WILL BE Transformers. No matter how much of Bay's signature blowing shit up they put in it, and how many times we see a car or tank or t1000 or arbitrarily placed mecha-scorpion turn into a giant robot, this is no longer the movie we were looking for. Even if they put the transforming noise in it (which they probably won't) it STILL won't be Transformers! In fact, I hope the DON'T put the transforming noise in the movie, because if they did that would be the biggest public FUCK YOU that the studio could give to fans... except for maybe fucking over the look of all the fans' favorite characters.... oh, wait.... they did that. THANK GOD the G.I. Joe movie that was in pre-production a couple years back just vanished.... i would hate to see THAT slice of my youth pissed away as well...
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST
seeing this movie when its released. if you are hating on the designs, fuck you. they look awsome. the bumblebee robot is amazing and you all know it. they made a real life huge ass mothafuckin transformer. how awsome. dont deny it bitches. oh and if you dont like the designs they will grow on you i promise. and one glimpse of any type of action from the trailer this holliday season will have every single one of you cry babies there opening night.
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST
THANK GOD the G.I. Joe movie that was in pre-production a couple years back just vanished.... i would hate to see THAT slice of my youth pissed away as well...
Aug. 20, 2006, 2 a.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST
the orginal transformers and any of the several unfucked with slight variations variations (not counting beast wars) just wasn't good enough for you was it wcoop893? Well SOME OF US, didn't want our shit fucked with... they had the characters and the designs already made for them, and all they had to do was make a movie, but OH NO, someone had to go and fuck things all to hell... and yeah, when i see an action shot in a trailer this Christmas, i will cry! I'll cry because it THEY RUINED THE GODDAMN TRANSFORMERS! They took my childhood and told me to go fuck myself!
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:10 a.m. CST
see this movie.... on bit torrent then i burn it, and pass it out in front of my local theatre and tell people not to waste there money.
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST
I do find it ironic though, that Bay said they had to redesign some of the vehicles so that a realistic transformation could be made from the vehicle to the robot. Yet...the robot forms look like they're made of a thousand random mechanical parts glued together. Like their forearms and legs and shit, what part of the truck exterior is that coming from? The only connection I see at all between vehicle and robot is the paint and a wheel here and there. I mean in the original designs, you immediately could see it. The chest is the cab's nose his abs were the grill, his legs are where the cab hooks up to the trailer, etc. This shit bears absolutely no resemblance to the vehicle they're supposed to transform into. I wasn't a huge transformers fan, more of a robotech person, but still, it's just kind of stupid looking.
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST
Okay, I will admit that the Bumblebee design is amazing. I was amazed by it the first time I saw it. Ten years ago. In a show called Neon Genesis Evangelion.
I love the design. All xept Bumble. He look too plastiky. Hope they change it with CGI.
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST
Mike Bay's gayformers
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:28 a.m. CST
Look at this and the starscream side by side.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST
That's right bitches, since tapes are out of style, maybe he could be a supercomputer ... I want to see him transform into a supercomputer and sit there and COMPUTE problems! That will fucking own all the haterz. And he better have blinking lights showing how fast he is computing. BLINKING FUCKING LIGHTS, you hear me Bay??!! ............................................. </sarcasm>
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:06 a.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST
I will not see this movie when it comes out. I refuse to give my hard earned money, which came in part FROM hasbro to endorse this travesty. I can easily refrain. About the only reason I will go is if my friends drag me to the picture and pay for my ticket, drink, and red vines. Oh, and they either have to give me a couple of bucks to suppliment the gasoline wasted driving to the theater or come pick me up. I am that adamant about not seeing this utter waste of film and terrible destruction of the Transformers franchise. I am however, this close to calling on every Transformers fan who has any skill what-so-ever in modeling and animation and having them model a Classics line Transformer for animation. My intent would be to create an entertaining film that children would enjoy. I would even consider using dialog tracks culled from the series and film to prove a point. What we would come up with, even if it were all CG like the new Ninja Turtles, would be better and truer than this. After this was completed, I would sell it. Not to make a profit, but for donation in order to buy Classics toys for children in hospitals. I would even include the movie with the toy so Children knew who these characters really were. I would even open with Bumblebee and Cliffjumper changing from the VW they were into the Mini they are in the Classics line they are reecieving. So, kids in the hospitals would get a really cool toy and a movie, even if it's short, to enjoy and learn more about their character they got. I would love to hear Bay's reaction to that. The only ones who would win would be the kids and Hasbro.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:14 a.m. CST
I have actually seen parts of the movie while in production (watching it filmed...don't ask.) and have seen CG of the Transformers and I will tell you all right now, whether you love the idea or hate it, all of you plus millions more will see this movie. They just finished filming the end (out of sequence, before they add the cg) of the first movie which I saw and I promise that you will all crap your drawers. Scorpinok diving into the sand and exploding out of it, then back into it as if it were water...Brawl running UP the side of a building and smashing his feet and hands into the cement as he goes with rock blowing out as he kicks his feet and punches in... a couple different transformers racing down a busy highway and transforming in mid-chase then running off the side of the freeway... Are you kidding me? I don't care who you are, this movie will be bad-ass!! It will be the biggest movie of next summer and whether you like/accept it or not, you will love the movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST
The biggest movie for next summer will be Spiderman 3. Transformers won't even be able to hold a candle to Spiderman. That franchise has proven time and again that it is THE film to beat during the year it came out and that no film can. Add to that already hugely successful franchise the most popular villian in the characters history, Venom, and you have a film will probably break every record in the books. I'm not being a fanboy, I wanted Transformers to be the greatest movie ever made. I really did, but this isn't the Transformers, so sadly it doesn't stand a chance. This film will not be bad ass... you plant.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:42 a.m. CST
Spiderman 3, huh... ok, fair to say that it will be a big movie. Two things tho...1)Spiderman 1, 2, or 3 didn't get 8 million hits in 2 hours on the production company's servers (means a lot of geeks like even the CONCEPT of a Transformers movie) and 2) I have seen a lot of it already and you have seen none of either so all you're spouting is conjecture (look it up) whereas I do not need hope nor faith... I have seen it so I have proof, baby! You can try to talk back to that but anything you have to say will make you look more dumb than you already are. The point is that Transformer fans will see it because they are ners and dorks and will sit there the entire movie and say " That's not how Megatron's pants looked in 1st Gen!" (Don't be stupid, I know he doesn't have pants) or "Why didn't Optimus turn into a gun? They should've made him do that!!" But let's think about this for a sec. The original Transformers, how realistic was it?? Optimus transforms into a gun...what if he's alone? Does he say "Damn! I wish someone was here to shoot me at the decepticons!" Oh, so it's not realistic, you say? The whole idea?? Then why the hell did any of us watch it? Because of our imaginations! If you used to watch it as a kid and haven't seen it recently, I challenge you to go rent it. I have. It's definately not winning any kinds of awards. But we all loved it because of the IDEA. Now, with great actors, decent screenplay (who's there for the screenplay anyway), and incredible and crazy realistic cg and special effects, you will come away from this craving more. I am not craving Spiderman 3. Besides, weren't we talking about Transformers in this blog?
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:45 a.m. CST
Heroin Chic done Transformer style. Woah. Never thought I'd live to see the day.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:10 a.m. CST
Like the screenname. But Optimus didn't turn into a gun.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:19 a.m. CST
But Bay is having him transform into a vibrator as an excuse to get Paris Hilton into the film. Of course if Paris says no, we won't be seeing Rumble at all.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:26 a.m. CST
The only reason the production company's servers would get so many hits would be because everyone seeing what a piece of shit this is becoming felt compelled to tell the production company. Because clearly they have yet to notice, over there. People don't hit a server that many times because they're ANTICIPATING a movie! lol Jackass. They do it because they feel their input is needed.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST
Thank you for proving a point. That's what I'm talking about. How many other things will people try to pick apart in the movie instead of just being entertained, ya know? Same concept, just updated a bit. How cool would a tape deck boombox Transformer be in 2007? Oh, wel let's make him an iPod! Then in 5 years from now, people will watch it and say, "Man, that's dumb!" cause it'll be outdated. If you see it, you'll be entertained, that's all :-)
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST
If that were the real reason for the flames, there would be a MUCH easier solution to the color coordination problem...: have Prime transform the way he's SUPPOSED to! Problem solved. All they've gotta do is just not fuck with what already works. Small changes are expected. Make the colors darker. Hell, make Optimus's legs black. Don't remake everything but his head and voice! That's just stupid. If Bay had directed Superman Returns, Superman would've sported a mullet and had pink hearts on his outfit.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:42 a.m. CST
the original generation of PhateGod never would have stretched out the talkback. You must be G2.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:45 a.m. CST
There's a HUGE difference between being entertained and being lulled. If I wanted what you seem to envision as "high-class entertainment", I'd go rent The Day After Tomorrow again. Good flick for when you feel like staring slack-jawed at a screen saying, "Oooh... purdy!" But when you attach an established license to a film, you've gotta do more than "entertain"... you've gotta live up to that title. You have to earn it. Imagine if some hack managed to somehow obtain the right to make a Star Wars movie, then slapped some flames on Artoo, gave Chewie a tail & wings, and cast "Tiny" Lister as Luke Skywalker. Would you still be saying, "This is gonna be a badass movie! Quit bitching over the details, you humps and just enjoy it!"? Bay isn't giving a shit about this movie. Instead, he's giving a shit AS a movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:45 a.m. CST
I know because this is your baby you think its the greatest thing since sliced bread but Transformers was more to the "geeks" then Robots jumping off buildings and landing and car chases it was about characters that where Iconic and fun one thing you Mr. bay have never done right youve had the oppertunity to work with some good actors like willis and Martin lawrence but here you handle how these characters are supposed to act and since you did not grow up watching the show you have no idea how they should act and if you honestly think me and any of the "geeks" i know are paying money for this your on crack but I think MIcheal C. Duncun. let me know something about your past time activities. <sniff sniff>
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:46 a.m. CST
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Aug. 20, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST
Are you sreious?? "everyone seeing what a piece of shit this is becoming"... and they saw that from what? The 3 minute trailer after Pirates 2? Man, you are retarded. I'm sure they didn't do any kind of due diligence and just dumped 100 million into something that no one will go see. You're dumber than you give yourself credit for. Of course they're anticipating a movie! Within hours of the release of the trailer the servers went down. That is from too many people trying to access Paramount's site. You literally think that millions of people logged on that Friday night to give their "input"? They've already finished 3 months production on something they've done a couple years research on... but according to some schmuck on a message board "they have yet to notice" that it's not going to be absolutely huge?? Wow, I am surprised you can even type. Tell your mom to turn your 'puter off cause it's nite nite time. Go get in your Naruto jammies, climb into your bunk bed and suck your thumb to sleep tonight. When you get up, don't forget to put on your special helmet! Next time, talk about something you might know about...like fingerpaint. Or the skidmarks in your underwear. "It's brown and smells like daddy!!" You're retarded.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST
i dig it. http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:54 a.m. CST
THAT is what everyone here is wanting to see for 2 hours in a darkened theater! That's what we've all been wanting to see since we were little kids. The fact that Bay isn't delivering this goes to show he's full of shit when he says he's a big geeky fan of Transformers.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST
Ok, first of all, I did grow up watching Transformers. The difference between you and I is that I grew up and had sex with girls and stopped thinking about cartoons all the time. Second, I was just as excited as anyone here would be to see it first-hand. Just the sound of them transforming still gives me chills so you can't tell me about what I do or don't know. I care less about Bay or anyone else. I know it will be a great movie. Can you imagine if they wouldn't have done it? No one would have. Or maybe some other crap-ass company with no budget would've half made it and you'd be even more pissed than you are now... and you haven't even seen it. Just wait to see it, then you can complain till your minimum wage mind and heart explodes.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:10 a.m. CST
(Oooh! Wow! Playing with names! That takes me back to kindergarden! lol) No... retarded talkbackers mispell words like serious, and try to use nouns as verbs (you don't DO diligence, genius. Your 7th grade Language Arts teacher should cover that for you, when you get there.) Phategod1 seems to be onto something... I seemed to hit a VERY sensitive nerve with an extraordinarily benign message. The trailer? Eh... all THAT did was let people know that a movie will be coming out using the Transformers license. Aside from that, it was dull and unexciting. Trust me, NObody was logging into those servers because they were so enthralled by the trailer that they HAD to get more! LOL At first, they were logging in to see if this would be any good. Then they were logging in to set the production crew straight. Yeah... LOADS of fans. LOL Fuck. That's like saying Pro-Choice protesters gather at W's speeches because they love everything he stands for. LOL I'm getting sick of this motherfuckin dipshit on this motherfuckin talkback! =P
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST
It wasn't the trailer itself which woke up potential fans to the fact that this movie will blow (although seeing a glimpse of a skeletal Terminator-esque frame didn't help much.) Images of shitty conceptualizations and information on how the entire Transformers universe will be re-imagined (or should I say "de-imagined"?) were "leaked" to the public. THOSE are the factors which allowed the public to see how badly the ball was dropped. This could be a fantastic movie. There's absolutely no excuse for it to be shitty. That considered, it would seem somebody in production is going out of the way to make it shitty, based on these seemingly-intentional "leaks". If I didn't give a shit about the license, if I'd never heard of The Transformers at any point in my life, or if the Transformers element were completely removed, then yeah... it might be a decent lil "indulgence". You know? The kinda film you see when you don't feel like thinking and just wanna watch shit blow up. But, as I said, you just don't take an established license and then tool with it as though you invented it. THAT is retarded.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:28 a.m. CST
That you know less about TF than even Bay and Co. do? Okay. If that's the point you wanted to make, I'm obliged to help.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:34 a.m. CST
Did you learn all that on your way to get your GED? BTW, it is "to do your due diligence"... that means to do one's research. Like you should've done before you made my point for me of how unintelligent you actually are. Have you spoken to the webmasters at Paramount? Oh, I have. Have you spoken to any of the crew on the movie? Um... oh yeah, I have. And as far as having the licence, they've had it from Hasbro for two years. So dull and unexciting that it has crashed servers, created thousands of posts on BBs and blogs in many different languages, and have retards like you complaining on message boards that it's going to suck even though you haven't seen anything from it... but yet you're still here. From what I saw, I am excited to see it. After the teaser I actually said "Oh crap. This better be done well or it's really going to piss me off." I was lucky enough to know some of the right people and was able to see some things which impressed me so you can think what you want and not go to see it. In fact, the rest of us who want to see it and think it's a great idea for a movie would prefer you 33 year old virgins stay home and watch your TiVo'd Samurai Jack, you pederast... (look it up)
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:36 a.m. CST
"I'm sure they... just dumped 100 million into something that no one will go see." Exactly! Well said. Well said. Pity, isn't it? lol
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:43 a.m. CST
by Captain RawBeard
...will be awesome. SO what if they dont look exactly like the cartoons or original toys. have you seen the cartoons out now? all this pokemon collecting minibots shit to power up their weapons? thats what you should be flaming about. and the toys I see in my local store - look cheap, nasty and tacky. I for one cannot wait for the film and I WILL be getting myself a new optimus prime figure, I think the new truck look he has is awesome. I admit the flames are a little questionable but nothing to cry about.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:45 a.m. CST
I GUARANTEE that what any of you have supposedly seen is NOTHING compared to what the finished product will be. This isn't some contest to see who the biggest fan is or who knows the most. Don't be stupid. Let's talk facts. I am a fan. More than the majority of people out there. And if you truly are too, what I am telling you sould at least give you some hope that it will be a good movie about Transformers. The dialogue is better (not hard to improve on that) but really, if you are true fan, you will be impressed. Don't fool yourself into thinking that whatever you pulled off some obscure site somewhere is the total and complete finished product. You think you're so intelligent that only you know what it looks like cause you found it somewhere on the internet? How naive to think... so just stop being so cynical and closed minded and just know that credit will be given where credit is due on this movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:48 a.m. CST
I guess my sarcasm is lost on the inept...
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:50 a.m. CST
really told me i guess my kids were immaculately concieved along with the kids of the rest of the people who hate your designs and plan for transformers our problem is not that you made a movie about robots that turn into shit but had the nerve to call it transformers because there's not a damn thing but a few names that ties this to transformers and you know it. I love transformers more then spiderman but I'll be damn Mr. bay if I give this Piece of shit my money sure people hit your site thanks to sites like this speading the word then we saw your mars with blue skies. here a little science lesson the sky is blue because of the reflection of the sea off the stratosphere what fucking ocean is on mars you douche and why the fuck would they be on mars when compared to the SM3 teaser that was pure shit like all your movies and stop hiding behind that screen name i know thats you Bay Fuck you snow sniffing prick the only reason you decided to make this movie is because your spielberg and bruckhiemers BEOTCH
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST
Kudos to you.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:56 a.m. CST
Diligence isn't "research", it's awareness. You can give diligence, you can pay diligence, but you don't DO diligence. That's just bad grammer, plain & simple. By the way, GED isn't the abbreviation for a Master's degree. You should've looked that up too instead of recklessly making yourself into such a tool. I'm not surprised you're familiar with the term "pederast", however. You've probably seen it on enough of your arrest reports to memorize it, freak. Oooooh! You've SPOKEN with one of the grips from the set?! Wow! It MUST be good!! LOL Fuckin tool. Even if it were true, wtf does it have to do with ANYthing? As though acquaintances of crew members are privy to some deep, dark secrets. LOL It WOULD, however, show that you associate with unimaginative hacks. I would be impressed with what I've seen if this were an original idea. Unfortunately, this is SUPPOSED to be Transformers. Bay is a monkey artist flinging feces at a canvas, and Spielberg is the animalkeeper trying to pass it off as a "reimagining" of The Mona Lisa.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:57 a.m. CST
There are two keys on the keyboard you should be familiar with if you ever want to be taken seriously and not like...well, like you are now. Those keys are the "little dot" key (we, in the grown-up world call it a "PERIOD" and use them to separate thoughts into understandable english called sentences) and the other key is the Shift key. Makes letters BIG or small when you hold it down and type. Used for the beginning of sentences and proper names. Get back to us in 7 years when you've mastered them...
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:58 a.m. CST
I guess my sarcasm is lost on the inept...
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST
by Captain RawBeard
Why are you so stressed man? I love Transformers, I collected the toys, watched the cartoons, read the comics - and I did the same for Spider-Man. Now I have enjoyed both Spider-Man films so far - apart from Green Goblin costume I thought they were great. Now next year. Not only are we getting Spider-Man 3, and Pirates of the Caribbean 3 but a TRANSFORMERS movie. next summer is going to be awesome. Now I know how passionate you are about Transformers but you are condemming a film you have seen no actual footage off. and you stressing yourself out. take it easy, chill, wait til next year - if the film is shit then blow your gasket
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST
Man, you're stupid: Main Entry: due diligence Function: noun 1 : such diligence as a reasonable person under the same circumstances would use : use of reasonable but not necessarily exhaustive efforts called also reasonable diligence
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:02 a.m. CST
he has Wikipedia he a Fucking genius
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:06 a.m. CST
Do I have to prove everything to some of you that are retarded?? Like that "due diligence" is actually a phrase? Come on. That I've spoken with two 2nd ADs, the 1st AD, and the producer? And that I've seen real footage and that I'm trying to tell you that it'll be good? Why do I waste time???
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:08 a.m. CST
Webster's Dictionary supplies these definitions: 1: Earnest and persistent application to an undertaking; steady effort; assiduity. 2: Attentive care; heedfulness. Neither of these definitions are something you would "DO" grammatically. You would not say that you DO heedfulness. You would, however, say that you HAVE heedfulness. The same can be applied to the other definitions. How about instead of arguing grammar like it means your cock is bigger than the next guy's, how about you keep to the subject at hand? Throwing barbs uselessly does nothing for you, Mr. Bay, err, I mean SizzleChest.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:10 a.m. CST
due.... DUE DILIGENCE... NOT DO DILIGENCE....wow.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:14 a.m. CST
I lost my bet. You DO know how to access a dictionary...! LOL Anyway, thanks for adding to the evidence pool of what a clueless tool you are. You just defined "due diligence" as "reasonable diligence". Nice. LOL You may as well have just looked up the word "due". Here...: diligence n. attentive care. When you get back to grade school, next month, notice if your teacher is telling you to "do attention" or "pay attention". And hereafter, you really ought to keep in mind that you should have some intelligence to back yourself with before trying to insult that of someone who's actually completed his education. With each message you post, you make an increasingly more embarrassing, pathetic joke of yourself.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST
1. bay reerred to it as a family film 2. Bay Has no Knowlege of the transformer as admitted by the writer however he find cars cools" 3. The Robots look nothing like the G1 transformers speilberg himself said he was a fan of and was doing a movie about. 4. the movie is missing key transformers such as Soundwave The constructicons, Sideswipe, Thundercracker, and Skywarp, cliffjumper and wheel jack. and to the request of many others the Dinobots (told you so Superninja). 5. bay has never really made a movie with good acting performances Optimus Prime, and megatron are iconic characters he has the voice right bt what comes out of there mouths are a different story. 6. I F'ed up the TB i got to use those tiny URl thingys.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:16 a.m. CST
My point is they are doing fundamental things to change characterization. I have no problem with wanting to update things but not at the risk of proper characterization. Adding flames to Prime goes against the character. Having Starscream be a bulky brute goes against the character. These are fundamentally bad changes from an artistic, creative, narrative standpoint, disregarding the aesthetic arguments. You want to argue that all should be fine because it looks cool. Fine. That's one way to go with the film. And certainly, there should be part of that in the production. But since that seems to be all they are going for, they are dismissing the property outright. It shows a lack of respect for what they are supposed to be adapting. You can tell me all you want about cool explosions and chase scenes and I'd certainly look forward to them. But you're missing the point. And if they're missing the characterizations (which these design choices tell me they are) then they are missing the point too. And they can blow as much shit up in my face and deluge me with fantastic images all they want. It still wouldn't be a good Transformers movie if they miss these things. That's not being picky. It's having good story sense.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:17 a.m. CST
Sorry. It just doesn't work like that. The dialogue could be Shakespearean in it's nature. The CGI could be absolutely perfect. You could have all the original cartoon voice actors. Hell, you could even have to original cartoon writers writing the damned thing. The sad truth of it is that none of that could ever change poor design choices when it comes to the 'lead characters'. As nearly everyone has pointed out, the designs are extremely busy and full of bits that just don't make sense. Alien tech? Sure, no problem, but you'd think the aliens who make said tech would be smart enough to armor themselves if they intend to do battle. Here's a better question: look at that Starscream design. Where are those huge guns coming from exactly? The movie design team says they wanted the designs to be realistic... ok, so where do those guns come from on a F-22 Raptor? That's not even dealing with the fact that there's DECADES of already existing, popular designs to choose from as well as characters... redesigning them all just seems like a huge waste of resources. Crap, one could simply go to the Hasbro online store and pick out any of the Alternator or Cybertron toys and they'd look an amazing amount better than these designs. There's such a thing as redesigning too much, and it's something I believe they've done here.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:20 a.m. CST
I don't know what I expected in trying to use english that educated, business people understand. KYA, right? That means, Know Your Audience. Ask your attorney (big word for lawyer) (you also know them as court-appointed) what due diligence is and if it actually a phrase.I guess it's like teaching quantum physics to a cat...it ain't learnin' it. Have a great night guys but just remember: I was on the set, you weren't :-) The movie will rock, you won't :-)
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST
Guys, I'm not big on siding with ye ol' SizzleChest there, but walk away from this 'due diligence' argument. 'Due diligence' is a proper term and is used quite frequently in the legal world.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST
Peter Cullen. ;)
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:26 a.m. CST
Because you're a pathetic loser who has no life? Right? I'm pretty sure I got that right.... What'd I win?? lol For someone who claims to be such an expert on the phrase "due diligence", you don't seem to have it. If you were diligent, you'd have noticed you said "do... due diligence". The word "due" doesn't matter worth a shit. "Diligence" is not DONE, it's paid, it's given, it's kept, it's had... not done. If diligence meant homework or research, then it would be something you could "do". But since diligence is a state of mind, it's not something you "do". I ought to be getting paid for teaching you. Seriously.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:28 a.m. CST
To me, the biggest evidence that the ball has been drastically dropped on this production is the fact that if I do a youtube search for homemade cgi Transformer clips, 99% of them look better than Bay's shit. Not only do they look better, but they actually managed to accurately duplicate the look of the cartoon models and actually pull it off nicely. See the old classic VW clip for a look at what Bumblebee *should* look like. If some guy sitting at home at his computer can get it right but Bay's team can't, then what does it say about Bay and his crew?
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST
If Sizzlechest was Cullen he'ed probably be banned from set if saw the BS going down I bet if he see's Prime in those Fagela Flames He'll walk Sizzle Is Bay no doubt.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST
Playhouse hits it on the head with a very simple word: adapting. Bay and Co. are ADAPTING an already existing property. As we all know, when a property gets adapted, those doing the adapting always make some changes. The last few decades are loaded with tons of ADAPTIONs of already existing properties; some good, some amazingly bad. Here's the key: when adapting a property, the most successful ones are those that stay as close to the source material as possible, and most preferably, as close to the previous characterizations as possible. It's why Spiderman succeeded on so many levels: Spidey, Goblin and Doc Ock all had design changes, but all looked very recognizably as the source material. Same with the X-Men, even though none of them were in their comics costumes, you knew who was who almost entirely just by looking at them ( with the possible exception of Rogue ). LotR was a fantastic adaptation because even though Jackson changed enough things to make hardcore fans scream with hate, he got the characters and feel of the movie right. Again, all the characters LOOKED like they had been previously described in already existing material that Jackson was adapting from. Now, let's look at some bad ones. No one who looked at the ridiculous Catwoman posters from the Catwoman movie said, " Hey, that's the character from Batman." It should also be noted that way more people are familiar with Catwoman then just 'comic book nerds/geeks'. The movie totally bombed. Masters of the Universe was deadpanned when it was released because the producers went too far from the source material, mostly due to budget constraints. So, here's the options: either Transformers becomes the next Catwoman, or the next Lord of the Rings. Which would you prefer?
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:40 a.m. CST
At... attor... durrr... uhhhm... loyyerrr? LOL Wow. I've never in my life seen anyone take so much pride over being able to spell attorney. You get a GOLD STAR & a scratch 'n' sniff sticker!! LOL Well, after all your incidents of pederasty (it means being a pederast LOL), I should imagine you'd be familiar with lawyers. If you ever start paying due diligence, you'll notice that nobody was claiming it's not a real phrase. We're trying to tell you that you don't even know what it means! LOL Anyway, after you left the set, did you suddenly find yourself lying in bed & feeling kinda groggy? I know Bay's on some heavy drugs but, even with him being under the influence, random losers like you aren't gonna just wander onto the set of a major motion picture. Not unless Bay was getting the boys on security high too.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:44 a.m. CST
WILLEM DAFOE FOR STARSCREAM!!! And while you're at it, how about puttin' SHERM on a license plate in the film! Honestly though, it's not him guys, Bay's too important to be arguing with us. (You know that) He's probably got a staff of people to do that for him. If it's anyone, it's most likely one of the animators or even that Even's Stevens kid. LOL, what if was Speilberg? heh.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:48 a.m. CST
I left "it" out twice in that post. Oh well, at least I can spell attorney.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:48 a.m. CST
...is a stretch, at this point. The material on display is SO far gone from the characters and story on which it's supposed to be based that it's hardly even recognizable anymore. As I keep saying, this will probably be a good, brain-numbing action flick on par with Independence Day or War of the Worlds, but a shitty, shitty Transformers movie. Gimme a lil bit of whatever Bay's on so I can enjoy this one! lol
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST
That's what this movie's looking like it'll be. Many people hated the American Godzilla as a Godzilla movie, but thought it would have made a pretty decent giant monster movie. Sadly, Marko's probably right and the same will probably hold true for Transformers: it'll be a great giant robot movie, but a really bad TF film.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:56 a.m. CST
As an olive branch (it means 'in the spirit of making peace' LOL sorry... couldn't resist), I'm curious: did you get your name from one of the insults thrown at Alan Arkin in The Jerky Boys? I haven't seen that one in awhile....
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:38 a.m. CST
this movie is officially a "GoBots meets Bionicle" cock fest.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST
As an animator in videogames myself i find it somewhat strange that you are judging the designs shown here solely on a static picture. I know i wouldn't be happy if a bunch of people on a website were crucifying my work judged from one shot. A still image is in no way, shape or form, a good idea of how these things will look ultimately when they are moving on screen. I'm not having a dig here guys, but seriously, it pisses me off when people judge things from one single shot which are a) promos for the toy company and b) more than likely not final designs. Obviously film is a completely different medium to what we work on, infact where we have licence to simplify a great deal of the things we do, movie animators and artists need to take models which are a lot more complex and make them do things a lot more impressive to be believable. I can understand why people aren't happy with the designs, they aren't the G1 cartoon models, but let's face it they never were going to be exact copies. One simple reason for this being that the robots in the cartoons simply retained elements of the vehicles/creatures they became so you knew what they were; that's the beauty of a cartoon. Take a look at the toys though, (i have a starscream here on my desk), and the robots look clunky and really nothing like the cartoon; i didn't hear no complaints 20 years ago. What these guys are doing is designing, (from the ground up i might add), robots for movies and they're probably taking into account a whole load of real world physics to make them look as real as possible. Sure, they should have kept bumblebee a bug or a cooper like someone else said but griping that the robots bear no resemblance to their cartoon or comic counterparts is just plain silly, especially for someone who does this for a living. If they look like shit when they move then i'll quite happily come on here and trash them myself but some people on here need to take their ritalin pretty quick. Let's see some moving footage first before crucify these guys.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST
reminisce over this fanmade tribute http://tinyurl.com/ggqk5 excuse the crap music though
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:26 a.m. CST
While many people really don't like the Prime model i'm sure they'll fucking cream themselves when they hear Cullen, (and hopefully welker), do the voices.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST
To begin with, we're lucky enough to have a transformers movie, period! i'm lookin forward to bay's take on this, cause nobody can do car chases like michael bay, check out frickin bad boys 2, it out did the much hyped matrix reloaded car chase scene (with their "specially constructed freeway n all) with only 1/3rd of the budget. and it was damn funny also! imagine a a glorious camera shot swooping from left to right, capturing prime in all his transforming glory with a trevor rabin/mike mancina soundtrack in the background....now thats entertainment, and thats the way its supposed to be!
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:39 a.m. CST
Flux brown's right! Bay can't screw up a Transformers flick. So far the only onscreen mecha with have are iRobot and Matrix 3, and I want more! The movie's gonna be its own thing, and if you don't like it, just get the 20th anniv. DVD in a couple of months and watch that. Or the seasons on DVD. Have a transformer marathon for all I care: the good stuff's out there. Get the comics: Evolutions Hearts of Steel is a pretty kick-ass steampunk Transformers comic. Go old school and play with the toys. You can get even Unicron now (http://www.hasbro.com/default.cfm?page=browse&product_id=17864) (http://www.tformers.com/reviews.php?op=showcontent&id=330) and the FRIGGIN MATRIX itself (http://www.diamondcomics.com/toychest/toys/02_06/23_transformers_matrix.htm). So stop whining and be happy: now's a better time than ever to be a Transformers fan. At least we got off better than the CAPTAIN POWER fans. Yeesh.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST
or GO BOTS fans...what worked out for us children of the 80's wont nececsarily work out for the later generations, thats why they remodeled the robots, and the colors, and everythin.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:49 a.m. CST
its a tough word, ok?!
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST
From when I was a kid. I had the "movie" on video, you know, the one where Optimus Prime DIES and Hot Rod becomes, uh, "Rodimus Prime". God, that's pathetic. Anyway, my point is if it's not a kids' movie it won't work, and if it is a kids' movie it'll be shit.
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST
sorry but you are!! Did you honestly think for one second that they would stick very closely with the 80's designs? They are good for comics and cartoons but do not translate well to "real life"
Aug. 20, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST
I can't understand why they got the Transformers designs wrong.
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:37 p.m. CST
Starscream in jet form: http://tinyurl.com/qmdxm and we have Starscream in robot form: http://tinyurl.com/p7wb8. The jet looks realistic and the robot mode is HIGHLY faithful to the G1 incarnation. MICHAEL BAY LOST.
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST
Interesting new direction.. I think I can get used to the organic look, which seems to blend the 'blockishness' of G1 with the organic shapes of Beast Wars, which the generation behind me will be more familiar with. I'm not sure I 'believe' that the vehicles could transform into those robot forms however - I'm going to have to see them moving and transforming before I'm completely sold.. I wonder if they're going to be able to make the toys look anything like that.. look at those feet!
Aug. 20, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST
Those designs are fine for toys but translated to the big screen they'd look total shit. No ifs or buts here. Also, i'd like to know exactly where Michael Bay promised to be doing a faithful rendition of Gen1 Transformers. The man has got the voice actors you wanted, kudos to that, but leave the film to him and the design of the robots to the people qualified to know what works on screen and what doesn't. And just to be clear, renders of giant toys DON'T work for movies.
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST
Knowing is half the battle. GI JOE!!!! (Now where's the live action adaptation of THAT FILM??!!)
Aug. 20, 2006, 2:55 p.m. CST
sheesh! give bay a break, i guarantee, in a coupla months time we'll get a kick ass trailer, and all u sceptics will get freaky geeky wet in anticipation...especially all of u who are screaming "I aint going to see that", well, news for you, nobody fuckin cares, we all know u probably will, and we still dun give a shit! so why don't u all just go back to ur care bears fansites, and stick a glow worm up ur ass, coz a movie with giant robots is cool no matter what, and as i said before, we're already lucky enough to get a Tf movie by bay,a legit and proven action director,not by some guy whose last movie was a comedy about a bunch of people sitting around in a barbershop. u can't have ur cake and eat it too guys.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST
by Negative Man
...he'd get a bitchslap. And if that doesn't help, then maybe five across the eyes. That's just me.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST
Let the fan-boys bitch all they want. The movie will make the millions the studio wants it to regardless of "how the bots look". Compare it to the crappy 98 Godzilla all you want, but it still made close to 400 M. In my opinion Transformers will do about as well as Superman did this summer while Spider-man will be at the top like the Pirates were recently. As for those bitching about appearances and little factoids... I'm reminded of organic web shooters and black leather x-men outfits.... and how they would ruin the franchise... and we all know how those two films bombed.... *cough*
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST
I do not need to speak to your claim as to having seen this movie, because you haven't. You may have had the opportunity to see several of the shoots and if you are in a position to do so, which I doubt, you could have seen the dailies from what has been shot. However, I believe that you have seen little more than what is available to view on the internet from about a dozen sources. This includes the video of some of the action in the sand, under the overpass, through the streets of Los Angeles at night and at the dam. Hell, you could have even been on set. Which absolutely speaks to the idea that you haven't seen this film. There is a lot of information being "leaked" around the net. However, what speak most about you is that YOU are not a Transformers Fan. If you were you would not have spent so much time speaking to the idea that Prime didn't transform into a gun in your conjecture of what fans would be complaining about. Sure, you may have made the mistake of calling Megatron, "Prime", but I doubt that. As for your suggestion that I rent the episodes. Why would I do that? I own them, all the way through Transformers: Zone (Japanese). I have all of this because of the position I had held with Hasbro. I also have had the same opportunity you have had but unlike you I have also had the same opportunity on Spiderman. So, by your argument I have "seen" these films. Your attempt to sound more intelligent than you are by using what you deem to be "big words" only serves to hurt you. The point is you have not seen this film anymore than I have, and what I have seen on both films I used as an example has shown me that the failure to execute the Transformers concept clearly demonstrates that Michael Bay and company have no idea what made this concept so great, nor do they have the interests of the fans who are supposed to be the main draw of a film of this genre. This is the reason that fans will hit the site. They want ot be assured that what they are supposed to be getting is going to speak to their sense of nostalgia. They want to see what's happening and before this there was little confirmed visual information available unless you really hunted for it. However, once the majority of them see what is taking place, they are angry and disappointed. I have said it once and I will say it many more times. I will not attend this film and honestly you can't tell me that I will. There will several much more worthy films out next summer.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:31 p.m. CST
I just love this idea that because it's a live-action movie we should forgo everything about the property that made it Transformers and just be happy we're getting a movie at all. It's that kind of attitude that leads to films like Batman Forever and Batman & Robin or Fantastic Four or, heaven forbid, Jack Black as Green Lantern. The reality is this. There were a number of transforming robot toys in the '80s. Why did this one become more popular and outlast them all? It was because of character and because of personality. Things that these designs, to this point, tread on. People don't remember Starscream simply because he was a cool F-15 that transformed into a robot. They remember him because of Chris Latta's voice and that at any moment he was working behind Megatron's back to wrest control of the Decepticons from him. And yet now, people just want to say "oh, it was just a toy commercial" and it's not worth doing the property and the characters justice. Why adapt it then? But I'm done arguing the point. If people want to have crap handed to them and think of it as Transformers than so be it. It's not that I'm pig-headedly wishing ill-will on this production. I just want to see it done right. And when I see Starscream as Grape Ape (Thank you, Yackbacker), it's not close to being done right.
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:40 p.m. CST
all the fucking internet traffic he claims would have happened BEFORE we got these images yesterday... NOW that all of us FANS have seen that they FUCKED UP OUR MOVIE and we NO LONGER GIVE TWO SHITS ABOUT THIS NOT TRANSFORMERS SHIT FLICK, What do you bet all that traffic up and vanishes like SizzleChest at dick measuring contest!
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST
http://www.simplyscripts.com/movie.html http://www.therealmtoys.com/movies/transformers/primedirectivebman02%5B1%5D.28.06.pdf This MOVIE IS GOING TO FUCKING ROCK!
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:46 p.m. CST
all they really had to do was take the original movie an re-make it shot for shot with real people and CG and we would have all been shitting ourselves with glee...
Aug. 20, 2006, 3:50 p.m. CST
So when they said they changed his name to Frenzy, it all makes sense. Because Frenzy is small enough to ride around in a Car. The Script is good. And according to Bay, this draft is pretty dead on, and not much has been changed.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST
Yeah... good argument. (Insert sarcasm.) "Who cares if it's shit and I call it chocolate cake?! It's solid! Eat it and feel lucky you have something to eat!" Is it just me, or does there seem to be a memo going around Bay's production team instructing them to log on here and defend the work they're crapping out? AllSeeingEye - you're no animator, that's obvious. I, on the other hand, am. If you were, you would know that motion & textures can't save a shitty design. They can eat glitter & make the shit sparkle as much as they want, but it's still gonna stink. If those of you who are SO dyin to suck Bay off had half a brain, you'd know that (most of us) aren't complaining that it doesn't look like the cartoon -- we're complaining that there's nothing about Transformers in this film aside from the concept of transforming robots and a few names. If they were to change the title and the names, I could probably enjoy the movie more as an HONEST Transformers knockoff.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:10 p.m. CST
I disagree. I'm not going to get aggressive like some of the people do on here. It's a waste of time. I agree with what you're saying about seeing them in motion. It's true! We'll learn something about how well these designs perform when they're moving...BUT...that does not mean that simple design principles should be ignored in the 2D stage of PrePro. Do me a favour and take a look at the robot form of BlackOut and you tell me that's an image that is easily discernable, clear and interesting shapes that you can easily identify. Again I'm using Star Wars as a reference. Tell me why it is that almost everyone in our age range can accurately draw a Tie Fighter? Think about it. I understand that these characters have to be much more complicated so they can be functional on screen. But my point is that they don't have to be THIS complicated. GOOD designs would have found a balance between functionality and impressive design. The fact is that ILM could take pretty much any design and make it something amazing to watch on screen. But that doesn
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST
Oh Contraire my stupid friend. A simple static render of a fucking toy prototype is in no way a true reflection of how it will end on the screen. If you were an animator then you'd fucking appreciate that; more to the point if you had any creative role in ANY fucking capacity you'd not be sat there bitching and calling other peoples work shit like a fucking 14 year old. Do yourself a favour and read the negative posts; they all cry that they aren't the same as the cartoon/comic/toys so i don't know what fucking talkback you've been reading you shit for brains motherfucker. Actually, let me ask you something; what exactly is it you DISLIKE about these designs if it isn't because they don't pay homage to the cartoons and toys you remember? Fact is, you were never getting a G1 movie and this isn't being made for the old fans. Keep dreaming about having a semblance of talent there mark, next time you try and bullshit someone at least try and act like a fucking professional instead of a zealous fanboy.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST
Well said. This movie will be exciting, I'm sure. And the robots will be impressive to see, no doubt. It just won't be Transformers. Who knows... maybe the scripting and acting will be dead-on? It'll have to be pretty damn good to distract from the clunky, overly-complicated, bow-legged stickfigures being passed off as Autobots & Decepticons. And you're right about the cast. Even if they were to make the 'bots & 'cons exactly the way they should, I think we would all still be very concerned about this cast.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST
Thanks for taking the time to respond in a more sane manner than MarkOhNo there. I can understand where you are coming from but to be honest i'm reserving judgement until i can see a trailer with these things bouncing around on screen. While you may see the images as boring or unimaginitive i would say that these are hardly high res scans, that blackout picture i think is more obscure down to it's poor res and brightness. What's more we arent sure whether they are final designs or not; i can't see them changing that much but at this point in time i'm not going to crucify someones work on the back of 3 very poor shots. I can appreciate people not liking something; really i can, it's just annoying that some of the negative loons that are frequenting this talkback think they're living in 1985 and are under some stupid impression that Michael Bay is OBLIGED to pander to their live action, wet dreams. At the end of the day, i don't actually design anything, i just work with someone elses ideas, (although i do get some input regards to what we can and can't do), but i've seen how much work goes into designing things like this and i'm prepared to leave it to the the judgment of ILM. Personally, i think you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Bernie Mac, it's the live actors i'm more worried about. Anyway, Thanks again for getting back to me, see you opening night.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST
(I mean SizzleChest. Why'd you change your s/n? How many of these posters are the same guy?) So you're saying that once the 3D model is in motion, it's going to suddenly undergo a miraculous transformation? (HAHA! Okay, let me rephrase that.) ...it's going to suddenly undergo a miraculous redesign? What are you on? A 3D model is a 3D model. It'll move. Ooooh! I've never seen anything in 3D move before! My jaw is going to hit the floor! LOL Anyway, if you knew how to read, you'd have noticed that I didn't say it was a shit design -- I said that, for supposedly being a Transformer, it's shit. If it were close but didn't look exactly like the cartoon, there'd be people whining still, I'm sure, but it could - at least - vaguely resemble them! These are impressive designs, but they don't capture the character or spirit of the license. They look like someone on Earth took vehicles and made them turn into robots -- not alien robots who've reconfigured themselves to resemble Earth vehicles. They should look like sentient beings, not somebody's hobby. But whatever. We seem to agree on the same thing. Impressive work. But, from the aspect of expecting to see a Transformer, it's just flat-out shit. I'm glad I'm not so well-on in my career that I'd be on this project. I can't imagine the self-loathing the modelers who were huge fans as kids are going home feeling.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:41 p.m. CST
However, I DID state that motion and textures don't save a shitty design. I see now where you got that. I SHOULD have said motion and textures aren't going to turn them into Transformers.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST
I can imagine him working okay, if I really try. Supposedly he's a used car dealer, right? If he were to play it like his character in Bad Santa, it could be good. But once the 'cons start shootin' everything up, they'll have to kill off a few of the comedians in the cast. Comic relief is good. Seeing Bernie doing his patented googly-eyed look every time something blows up might be too much. So hopefully they'll have him play it down a notch. I anticipate him being a shady character, though, among the human cast.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:52 p.m. CST
The whole point of animating something is to bring it to life. For all you know, the people at ILM tried making accurate renders of things that looked similar to the comic characters and they could have looked shit; shitter even than you think those ones up there look. If they're serious about making a live action movie though they have to make it real; ie they don't the luxury of the cartoon animators in that their drawings did not need to be technically acurate when transforming; just give optimus a cab for a chest, make him blue and red and put wheels on his legs and we all know who he is. The toys themselves only bore a slight resemblance to the cartoon/comic characters and the only time they did look similar was when Hasbro released the range of toys that didn't actually transform, (fuck knows why they did that). The task that the people at ILM have been given is staggering for lack of a better word, i'd shit myself if someone asked me to mock up a model as complex as those things are going to be online. The point that most people seem to be missing, you included, is that these aren't solely robots; they're transforming robots and that is the hinge for every aspect of design in this movie. Hence, why i suggest people wait to see them in action before branding them shit. You're entitled to your opinion but if you were an animator or designer i'm sure you'd like people to look at the whole process involved in your work rather than diss it on a whim.
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:53 p.m. CST
stealing my images, i did a favor to show some of you transformers fan some pics then you took it and exposed it, not considering my job on the line. NO MORE F-ing SNEAK PICS FOR YOU JACKOFFERS!!!
Aug. 20, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST
has anybody stopped and realised that this is getting a bit TOO serious?
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:06 p.m. CST
"I can't take this, America, this is more than I can bear. L-l-l-look at this! Robots from space, comin' to Earth and changin' into jets & tanks & shit. It's just not right! It's not right. It isn't." LOL =D
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST
I saw one yesterday and I was tinking "sweet". They fucked this up already. If things stay this way I will wait for it on demand. And I'll make sure non of my friends see it. Starscream has no mouth? WTF.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST
SHOW US MEGATRON!!!
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:21 p.m. CST
http://www.therealmtoys.com/movies/transformers/primedirectivebman02%5B1%5D.28.06.pdf This script fucking Rocks. And it's filled with classic one liners!
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST
It's still just a movie. Horrible choices--- I was exposed to the comic first-- the cartoon second, and what stood out for me was the specific characterization... Starscream was a favourite of mine. I don't think if I sit in a darkened theatre and see this ape abomination I'll feel any connection to the Starscream that I know. Here's what Prime should have looked like http://youtube.com/watch?v=ArURVBZKnrE
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:32 p.m. CST
I really wish you hadnt posted that script... I spoiled so much for myself :( This movie sounds kick ass, ur not happy with the look? well they sure got the characterization down flat. This movie will be epic!
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:33 p.m. CST
*spoilers**** They can fucking change their car form at will with morphing nano tech?? Well that kinda blows the whole "we don't want any magic shrinking parts" arguement out the goddamn window. No wonder Ratchet isn't an ambulance anymore, they just heal LIKE MAGIC with super nano tech! The bots in that script have no character, the humans are goddamn idiots. They're desperately looking for GLASSES?? Are you SHITTING me? Bumblebee talking with his fucking radio?! MEESA JARJAR BEE! Earth gadgets changing into "tazmanian devils"?? From start to finish that script is excrement. This is not a Transformers movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:36 p.m. CST
This movie is the reason I stopped reading the comic and watching the cartoon after a certain period... Every issue had a new character introduced who everyone else stood back with amazement and adoration--- the next week that amazing new character was another face in the herd and a new AMAZING character was introduced (same as G.I. Joe). This movie is all about selling new toys--- they can't make Prime look like Prime because we already have that... I didn't watch any of the incarnations after the originals (I refuse to name them G1) and this movie will not be on my viewing card next summer. Beast Wars--- meet Michael Bay's Transformers. Thanks Steven Spielberg for messing up a sure thing.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST
all those little detailed moving parts seem too "busy" and "spacy". Blockiness makes them more humalike and relatable to kids my opinion
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST
Yeah, I totally get that. Which is why I keep trying to reign myself in when criticizing. But you're wrong when you say they have to "make it real". In my opinion, it's a shortage of imagination preventing them from keeping the designs closer to those which worked for everyone. (BTW, there was recently a 20th anniversary version of Optimus which looked, in both forms, exactly like in the cartoon. Very complex. VERY expensive. lol You can still find it on eBay.) Anyway, I suppose it wouldn't hurt to change my choice of words in describing the design decisions from "shitty" to "unfortunate". I just hope they aren't final, what we're seeing. I could make myself ignore the skeletal Terminator-esque frames and Prime's paintjob, but Starscream... with gatling guns for arms? No. That just isn't gonna sit with me. HOPEfully I'm not seeing the full picture. HOPEfully those guns are actually mounted on his arms and you just can't see them under the guns. And Bumblebee looks horribly disfigured & bowlegged. What's more, of all vehicles, he shouldn't be a Camaro. His only significant power is that he's the most energy efficient of all Transformers. As a Camaro, he'll have to stop for energon every few minutes. lol =P I understand that Volkswagon didn't allow them to use their vehicles. (More likely, they weren't willing to pay whatever Bay asked.) But if that were the case, why not then approach Geo? Or consider some other vehicle which is known for its efficiency? Some elements will be VERY difficult to ignore when it could've gone so much more smoothly if less liberties had been taken. That's all I'm saying. I also disagree with the decision to eliminate mass-shifting. If Transformers were made using Earth knowledge and technology, of course... it'd make perfect sense. But it barely even takes a stretch of imagination to believe that these alien beings, who've existed millions of years, have such technology capable of making it happen. This might be a fun movie to watch, but the decisions made will cause this to be not even half the movie it should, and will make it hard to watch. The primary concern of anyone working with an established license is supposed to be to stay as true as possible to what works. This is why you've never seen James Bond arrive at a casino on a Harley, wearing motocycle leathers, wielding a flamethrower and asking for a Bud Light. lol He's almost always dressed in a tux, drives a British luxury vehicle, the weapon he prefers to use is a Walther PPK, and his drink of choice is always a martini - shaken, not stirred. The Transformers license should have been given at least some measure of such respect.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:43 p.m. CST
TheAllSeeingEye August 20th, 2006 01:46:17 PM CST "Those designs are fine for toys but translated to the big screen they'd look total shit. No ifs or buts here. Also, i'd like to know exactly where Michael Bay promised to be doing a faithful rendition of Gen1 Transformers. The man has got the voice actors you wanted, kudos to that, but leave the film to him and the design of the robots to the people qualified to know what works on screen and what doesn't. And just to be clear, renders of giant toys DON'T work for movies." <<<<< THAT is a load of shit. That toy does exactly what the on-screen Transformers should do. Trun from a realistic vehicle to a robot that resembles the original. it does have to look EXACTLY like the original, as the Masterpiece Starscream I posted up doesn't, but it damn sure carries over much of what the original looked like. Not to mention it is fully poseable (read:easily animated) proving that they COULD have chosen to make G1 faithful designs. They just chose NOT to... and in the process, chose not to carry over what made the property great in the first place. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:48 p.m. CST
How its it that the FAKE Transformers clips that have been online for years now manage to look like the old designs YET still work in a realistic setting? MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 20, 2006, 5:49 p.m. CST
The script is loaded with tired clich
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:01 p.m. CST
Okay, first off, if this was a Beast Wars movie, a Beast Machines movie, a Robots-in-Disguise-Fox-Kids movie, or a friggin' Cybertron-Armada-Unicron Chronicles whatever movie, I could understand all the uproar. But we're getting a full-fledged Generation 1 Transformers movie. What the hell else is it supposed to be? BTW, NopeNotCool, this movie isn't about selling toys, it's about selling tickets. Selling toys would mean killing off a whole roster of Autobots and Decepticons and introducing a new, futuristic batch of warriors and Junkions and moon-eating pla... oh, wait. That's the one we love so damn much. And you know why I'm not bawling at the top of my lungs? Because I can either watch my season 1 of TF DVDs, download an episode or frikkin' YouTube an episode for cryin' out loud. I can look at a comic where Optimus is still kicking ass and taking names. I can read a fanfic where Optimus shoots right through Hot Rod to kill Megatron and declare war on the rest of the Decepticons to avenge his young friend, only to end up fighting Hot Rod reborn as GALVAROD and fighting him off in the belly of Unicron as Prime rightfully unleashes the Autobot Matrix of Leadership (http://www.diamondcomics.com/toychest/toys/02_06/23_transformers_matrix.htm). So get a grip, wait a few months, and watch the movie. You don't like it? Join a production company and become a concept designer. And convince movie studios to stick to the designs, or make a reasonable update. Don't like the flame job on Optimus? At least they're not PURPLE and YELLOW flames. Get a grip.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST
What does Michael Bay think he's doing? Those don't look like Transformers! Those looks like some sort of mutant robotic predator or cheesy anime robots. This is just crap. Transformers has been ruined. Why bother even calling it Transformers. Call it Bionicles The Movie.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST
I was going to post a lengthy response to your outburst but i think NikevJ just made the same point. I will go so far as saying that if they made a movie and the robots in it looked like that toy you're absolutely splooging over then it really would look shit. As for these homemade fake vids you're blathering about; yeh they're impressive. Impressive for 10 second clips where the model does nothing other than change from a car to a robot and looks at the screen. Show me something home made that's dynamic, uses real world physics and filled to the brim with action. Those fan clips are cool but just aren't practical for something like a movie. The closest thing to a real transformer thats lasted longer than 10 seconds is the robot citroen commerical. What's more the robot in that commercial looks fairly similar to the concept art thats been shown here; i wonder why that is?
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:09 p.m. CST
But that's all I needed. Ugh. So there's no Cybertron? It says early on that the Transformers destroyed their own planet. And if there's gotta be a mcguffin, it should make a little more sense. The proof that the writers weren't fans of the license is right there. THE energon cube? They should've at least renamed this object. They could've called it The Matrix and it would've fit in perfectly with the mythos. (If you've read the Marvel comics version of Transformers, the matrix is capable of instilling life into a lifeless robot shell. By taking Optimus's head and hooking it up to some machinery, the Decepticons created a new generation of warriors (namely Ramjet and the other 2nd generation jets.) Energon cubes are supposedly their meat & drink, created by siphoning energy. I'm not liking what I've read beyond the idea of a deactivated Transformer having been found lodged in the ice over 100 years ago. (THAT could've been the mcguffin. Or if they wanted to parallel the cartoon, that could've been Skyfire/Jetfire.) The human soldiers' interactions are smacking of Independence Day. As much as you see soldiers in movies sitting around talking about what they're gonna do next time they're home, you'd think that's all they EVER do. lol Weak. I might read more, though, but I'm not sure I want to.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:17 p.m. CST
"Okay, first off, if this was a Beast Wars movie, a Beast Machines movie, a Robots-in-Disguise-Fox-Kids movie, or a friggin' Cybertron-Armada-Unicron Chronicles whatever movie, I could understand all the uproar. But we're getting a full-fledged Generation 1 Transformers movie." I only have one question: where is this movie you're talking about? Because you're certainly not talking about the Michael Bay film. The reason this movie is being flamed so hard is because he's doing the exact same thing which has been done with the Transformers license over the last several years. This may as well be a FOX Kids movie. Generation 1? LOL Where'd you see that? I really wanna know. No, the "Transformers" in this movie are no more true to the characters than any others which have been appearing in anime form lately. Far less so, in fact. G1. Farrrr from it.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST
I couldn't agree more. Sorry, AllSeeingEye, but the current batch of Transformers toys are nearly all fully poseable and easily animated. I know of art students who use some of them as drawing models. The Masterpiece edition Prime is about as perfect a version of Prime you can get as it transforms flawlessly from cabover to robot. The robot mode is easily one of the most poseable toys I've ever seen, along with the Hybrid Optimus Prime toy which is very similar to the larger Masterpiece but perhaps even more articulated. Every single one of the Alternators is damn near fully poseable ( there are exceptions ) and look perfect in car mode, so much so that I've had people mistake them for simple car models. Also, as TruthOne pointed out, there's already tons of clips from other animators out there showing traditional styled Transformers that work nearly perfectly.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST
Reading through it now and it's alright. Moves along at a good clip. But what's the deal with Spike not knowing anything about cars? I see the point they are trying to make about a boy and his first car, but come on. And Bumblebee playing all the songs is horrendously gimmicky. Reading on....
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST
Pussy moderators disabled me because I notified them that Hollywood has yet again screwed up another potential franchise and that the movie is going to suck. The reality of my statements must have been too much for the little Nazis.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST
"BTW, NopeNotCool, this movie isn't about selling toys, it's about selling tickets. Selling toys would mean killing off a whole roster of Autobots and Decepticons and introducing a new, futuristic batch of warriors and Junkions and moon-eating pla... oh, wait. That's the one we love so damn much." That's exactly when I lost interest in the toy commercial... Reread the first year of the comics (or watch the first couple of seasons)--- that was Transformers at its purest. Bay has killed off every Transformer we knew--and Hasbro are licking their chops at each and every one of these designs. If you want to prove a point fans--- see the movie if you want to, but don't by a single toy.
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST
You know what the problem is with that toy you're going on about; it's a toy. That's why it won't be used and i'm sorry, it's still a long way off what prime looked like in the cartoon. Infact, though i collected the toys when i was a kid, i always thought they looked pretty shit in robot form compared to the cartoon, especially the decepticon jets. The same can be said for your 'masterpiece edition'; i'd not seen one so when i googled it i was shocked to see that it still looked like a toy. Hilarious. Also, as i pointed out in my previous post, those clips last 10 seconds and show nothing more than a car turning to a robot and standing still. I guess you stopped reading when i stopped talking about 'toys' so i'll ask you the same thing i asked Truth0ne, show me a dynamic, physical model in action animated by a fan. Like i said before..closest yet was the citroen advertisement. Incidently, the best looking Transformers, ever, were the gen 1 versions drawn by Geoff Senior for Marvel in 1990/1991. They had an organic look to them but hey, that's the beauty of the medium, and that's the whole point i've made all along; comics and cartoons have that little bit more artistic licence. I always had an issue with lips on them, i mean, how the fuck does a robot have lips...anyway..
Aug. 20, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST
fun...but have to admit, there was something missing, with a little tweaking. i think it would rock! by the way, who is Dane cook gonna be? Food for thought: when batman came out in 89, were people bitching coz it wasn't the ZAP POW BOOM BANG Adam West batman they grew up with? Did they bitch about it being 'robin' less? hmmmm
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST
I'm not about to sit here and throw around useless insults. You want to attack me personally? Fine, go right ahead. I'm sure you feel very manly with that "I guess you stopped reading when i stopped talking about 'toys'" line. Very adult. I'm impressed with your level of maturity.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST
If they're not careful, you wont be able to tell one from the other when they're not in vehicle form. I'm a little scared.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST
A question that must be asked is why are Bay and Co. so infused with sticking to 'real world' physics? I believe that might almost be the single hard point of contention between fans of the source material and the designers. It's hard to believe that someone would approach a property that's loaded with science fiction and immediately decide to ground it in science fact. Going back to the earlier examples of Spiderman and X-Men, can you imagine what would have happened if the designers would have taken those properties and demanded that 'real world' science apply to them? Along those same lines, it's interesting to note that so many of the highest grossing films are those in which the boundaries of the real world do not apply. Star Wars, Spiderman, et al, are all escapist entertainment, and part of their appeal is the fact that so much of what makes those movies is fantasy.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:09 p.m. CST
I mean, you say exactly the same thing to me that Truth0ne did about fan animations AFTER you've supposedly read what i said to him? C'mon. It's glaring obvious. And no, i'm not feeling more manly at the moment; i'm here talking about transformers for crying out loud but i guess i'm certainly the more mature person as i'm not the one sat sulking like a 6 year old.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:11 p.m. CST
you've got a pretty good point there
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:12 p.m. CST
Many of the people earlier in the TB mentioned the Neon Genesis Evangelion movie that's currently in development at Weta. Imagine if Weta decided that Evangelion needed to be rooted in real world physics and science. Imagine if they suddenly started redesigning the EVAs to fit their perception of what it should look like in the real world. The uproar you'd get would match the uproar from TF fans over these designs. Worse yet, there's been talk of a live action Gundam Wing movie for years, I'd hate to see what would happen if they tried applying these real world science design ideas to them. Wing Zero and Tallgeese would become unrecognizable, I'm sure.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST
just got a best actress award at the teen choice awards....hmmmm, whats next? Marlon Wayans getting an oscar for little man hehehhehehe
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST
Actually, they did. I remember a LOT of bitching about how Mr Mom was signed on rather than recasting Adam West. I even recall a song parody of "Wild, Wild West" on Dr Demento. I don't recall the name, just the line, "I'll be watching Batman, Batman starring Adam West (Adam West)". Sho' 'nuff, the movie came out okay. Once they started taking liberties, nips on the batsuit being tips on the iceberg lol, the license went down.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST
Really?was just a wee lad back then...but yeah, i could imagine how people reacted when they cast beetlejuice and had the director of PEE WEE direct batman...funny, well since we've still got 11 months to go, i guess, the tb battles will rage on :)
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:25 p.m. CST
Yeah, though I recall that the biggest voices of disapproval were those of the comic fans. I do think though that the biggest argument they had was against Keaton, the rest of the designs were generally met with, at worst, a shrug. I do think most everyone liked the Batmobile, the Batcave, Batwing and the casting of Jack as the Joker. The biggest concern with Keaton was that he had been doing comedies for so long that no one could think of him outside that box. It's generally why Bale, although not universally accepted by fans, was easier for many to accept as Batman. He was a generally lesser known actor, known primarily for pretty dark films. Though, anyone who had seen him in Equilibrium probably had the easiest time seeing him make the jump into the Batsuit.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:28 p.m. CST
Remember the furor that was spidermans organic web shooters? Jesus, from the reaction of some of the hardcore comic fans you'd have thought Sam Raimi had just ass fucked their mothers. Indeed, i think alot of people were sceptical at first about the organic issue but after seeing Spiderman, i for one certainly think that they took the right route for a big screen adaption. Although i remember a very good conversation in the pub regarding how the web shooters were on his arms when really, if he was part spider now, it should come from somewhere near his bum; and that people is artistic licence.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:31 p.m. CST
Sorry, but I just don't see what point you're trying to make. Are you trying to say that toy designs are incapable of being source material for 3D animations?? I don't think anybody should post anything more on this except for TheAllSeeingEye. It's in his court. Offer some shred of information to back what you have to say. The burden of proof is on you. Now, if you're saying that a movie made up of characters designed to look EXACTLY like the G1 toys would be weak.... *shrugs* I say it's in the eye of the beholder. Until a few years ago, I'd have thought that a movie starring a cast of marionettes would bomb horribly. But if you're saying you can't take a G1 toy and use it as the reference on which to base an impressive-looking CGI model then, well, you'll have to give some evidence as to why. Because there is nothing you can't do with a decent modeler, a little skill, some time and some imagination.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:36 p.m. CST
I never actually voiced any complaints on it, but I still have to say it's the only weak point in the movie. It detracts from how Peter Parker is supposed to be such a genius... he invented the shooters. But, of course, the film worked despite that.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST
but remember transformers have been around for moe than 20 yrs now (in various incarnations) why do they have to cater to only our generation? I think they're trying to rope in the younger generations (hence the manga-esque looking robots), coz when we were kids, all we had was robotech and voltron, but kids nowadays...almost everything is manga-esque...its a trend, which i'm not very keen on, but that doesn't mean i won't get mind blown when i see huge fuckin robots battling it out on the screen.
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST
i know TF was from japan, but they didn't look very manga-esque
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:51 p.m. CST
Personally, I prefer the more organic look The Transformers took on after the 1986 movie... even though I thought the toys based on them were pretty much crap. lol What I don't like about these designs is that they appear to be little more than quickly cobbled steel frames. They look incomplete and... well, robotic. While they are mechanical beings, making them look like robots within the limitations of our technology makes them more cold and less sentient. Cover them up! They look cold! lol It finally dawned on me who they look like.... The designs are almost identical to General Grievous. Anyway... it's still 11 months away. Who knows. The weak, freaky designs may just grow on me in that time. What I saw which is supposedly Starscream, however. No. Hands will be mandatory. Especially when you take into consideration the fact that Starscream was a scientist. How's he gonna manipulate anything?? Until I see an improved design, I hereby dub him Starscream Gatlinghands. lol
Aug. 20, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST
Er..well yes. I know i for one could not for one second watch a movie where one of the robots looks like this http://tinyurl.com/lapgb Could you? You could argue everything is in the eye of the beholder but in this case i think the only eye that would see the appeal in that are the fans who love the toys. As for a technical point of view, i never said it was impossible, i simply stated that it would look terrible..infact, they'd look like animated toys which is something i said in one of my earlier posts. Sick of saying this but, while its certainly coneivable that they could mock up a pretty cool robot that looks like the comic/toy/cartoon the physics of transforming a toy plane into a, (crude), toy robot is a different kettle of fish when compared to something as complex as creating a realistic looking, transforming movie robot. Hey, i'm sure the guys at ILM would love to just copy the toys, they'd be finished in a week but that's just not going to happen, ever.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:02 p.m. CST
Look up Masterpiece MP-04 convoy1 and Masterpiece Starscream and dont tell me That cant be done on a big screen and tell me you not buying those things.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST
before Bay was attached to this movie Spielburg announced that he was making a movie about G1 transformers. That HE love G1 transformers That HE new the Canon and character yes Speilberg did promise a G1 movie. the Masterpiece proves it could be done and look fine.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST
Ooh boy. Well, it's as mediocre as I feared and misses on characterization. MINOR SPOILERS FROM HERE ON. SKIP IF YOU DON'T WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING. The way the script is written, it really doesn't matter which Transformers are in the movie. They're really generic and interchangeable. And Bumblebee not talking makes no narrative sense at all. Their explanation for him not speaking is faulty: his vocal processor was damaged in battle. Since they've given the bots the ability to regenerate in the script, it would make sense that Bumblebee's voice processor would repair itself. I guess you could kind of say it does when he ekes out that "Gooo Saaammm" in the final battle. But it's really a lame plot device. I'm not saying it is a total loss. But they have a lot of work ahead of them. Since this was dated February 26, 2006, I'm hoping they've gone through and done quite a bit of polishing in the past few months. Something tells me they haven't though. I stil haven't written this film off entirely but I am extremely close.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST
Why do insects look any interesting than pure robotic faces? What kind of emotions can you get out of maxillary palpus and the labellum? The writers stated Megatron and Starscream banter back and forth, but if they no nose or mouth, I don't see much emoting from this inspiration from the decepticons atleast, i've even head the autobots don't have noses or mouths either. This just seems like one big cluster fuck to me.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST
Not for a full 2 hours. lol I don't think you're sharing the same vision, though, as what most of us are imagining. What we have in mind wouldn't look like toys or cartoons, yet would still be true to those old licenses. The little amateur "screen tests" all over youtube are closer to what would look good. Rough renderings, yes, but they all begin as such. Not "in action", sure, but it wouldn't be difficult to imagine or make it happen. A little bit of artistic license is expected. I'm an artist. I can appreciate that. But chucking an entire franchise and remaking it in your own image? It's a good way to lose the true fans. Apparently however, as someone on here once said, he isn't making this for the fans. Which urges one to ask: why is he making this?
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:19 p.m. CST
Don't get me wrong, i think that one there looks cool and to be blunt it would be a geekgasm to see a movie where the cartoon characters came to life on the screen, (though i prefer the look of the comic characters), but it's just never going to happen. The only way they could do it is, and this is just me throwing an idea out here, is if they followed the cartoon. The robots and their vehicle forms were, on a very very basic level, connected, the actual robots had more rounded edges and had seemingly perfect joints; some bits shrunk others got bigger. In effect there was nothing other than a loose transformation sequence to connect the two forms. You could do that but you have to completely throw away any physics and any reality as a consequence; movie makers do not want to do that. The way i see it, if they could do it and make it look convincing, then they would do it. As it stands, i think we all should be grateful that they got Cullen and when you hear him speak as prime or ironhide most of those major gripes will become minor trifles.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST
Apparently George Lucas didn't make the prequels for the fans either but that didn't stop them from grossing millions. Infact, i think Transformers will suffer from the same things that plagued the SW prequels. We'll have 3 camps, one lot that fucking openly loves it, another lot that openly hates it, but in reality loves it and still watches it and a final group who send Michael Bay death threats regularly. It's not that we have different visions Mark, if anything we'd both love the same thing, i just can see why the franchise might need changing here and there. Still can't understand Bernie Mac though.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:29 p.m. CST
And this is why the movie is facing some huge obstacles. They're trying to make a SciFi flick grounded in known science fact. Of course it's not gonna look good. Get the right moviemakers, though, and we'll see an orgasm-inducing version of Transformers. What's got everyone nervous here, though, is that if Bay fucks this up as badly as we're dreading, Transformers will become box office poison. Nobody will ever again agree to make a blockbuster take on this license. Shouldn't moviemakers have more imagination than this? It really doesn't take such a huge stretch to believe that an alien species of mechanical beings who've existed for millions of years would have technology we can't fathom, breaking the laws of physics. (Which, btw, are constantly being rewritten. The human being thinks it knows everything, but we really know SO little.) If a shell can appear out of seemingly nowhere and encase a Batmobile... and this effect can become a raging fad, showing up even in commercials... then I see no reason why mass shifting would cause audiences everywhere to stand up and say in one voice, "This is horrible! That was so fake!" My grandma might have, but lol... no.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST
Actually, in that scenario, he WAS making the movie for the fans even if that wasn't his motivation. Fans had been begging him for DECADES to make the prequels. They knew the story was made. Hell, I had a rough draft of the Episode III script back in the late '80's. (Still have it. Cool shit.) And he'd even released, long ago, snippits of the deleted scenes. Sure, nobody could have anticipated JarJar. And, as I understand it, he was created to appease George's kid. But still, this wasn't an alteration to what already existed. But another point which makes this a poor analogy is that Star Wars is HIS license. Transformers isn't Bay's. Lucas wouldn't start making radical changes to major characters HE'd created. Episodes I-VI flow and fit together perfectly. Now compare the known Transformers universe to what Bay has coming out. Awkward. Disjointed. Ugly. Any other adjectives come to mind?
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST
is rooted deeply in science fact. While you, me and everyone else who loved the old stuff would appreciate a movie like you're describing, i'm not sure about everyone else. Face it, Bay isnt' going to make money on a movie that only the fans want to see. He has 3 tasks here, he has to please the fans, make new fans who arent familiar with the original material and cater for the mid table group who are merely out to watch a flick. We have too much baggage for it i think, we're walking into a movie, with 20 years of appreciation, thats being made for people who haven't got the first clue about the original stuff. Bays been kind enough to give us cullen, maybe Welker, but thats as far as his loyalty to the original fans will go.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:48 p.m. CST
Sure it isn't his licence but he's got it and there's not much we can do about that now. I'm sure some of the hardcore fans of SW would disagree with you though, (lets hope they don't show up), with your statement about it being HIS franchise. After all, it took the devotion of his original fans to make it popular and the utter contempt he showed them was hilarious.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST
among the Dynasty of Primes...... WWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTFFFFF.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:53 p.m. CST
If, when you say episodes i-vi run perfectly you actually mean that one of the greatest cinematic revelations of all time is now totally redundant - "I AM YOUR FATHER" - then yes i'd agree with you.
Aug. 20, 2006, 8:57 p.m. CST
burst of percussive Language What the fuck is this shit, are you a fucking ass.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST
"Er..well yes. I know i for one could not for one second watch a movie where one of the robots looks like this http://tinyurl.com/lapgb Could you?" No but, and this is a big but... I could easily and excitedly watch a movie where the robots looked like THIS... http://tinyurl.com/kgyzs In fact, i'd watch a movie like that at least 20 times over and I'd drag all my friends to it as well. Plus I'd buy all the toys too! You'd have me and all of us here in the talkback hooked line and sinker with a movie like that. That robot has character, spunk and personality, and anyone can see that based on that tiny little clip alone. The Michael Bay version on the other hand looks cold and generic like nothing I'd want to watch. I might wind up watching it, I don't hate what I see... I just don't care about it. I'm hoping were all wrong here, really I am. I want to be wrong about this. I hope this movie really delievers the goods. But at the moment I'm simply disapointed and based on what I've seen so far I don't see how it can.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST
and man was that ass. SPOILERS SPOILERS, Bumble bee cant talk Decepticons cant speak english till the end No banter between megatron and Starscream, Jazz Dies, (nevermind he was one the autobot to actually survive the real Transformers movie. too many humans and the dialouge sucks no one liners of any good mention.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:18 p.m. CST
hopefully they'll re-write that script...yeah, it did have a bunch of holes in the storyline, not enough transformer character dev..(megatron's only in the movie for about 30 mins or so) and yeah he's the frozen bot in the pics...but the greatest thing about a faulty script is it can still be tweaked. these are the guys that wrote alias, and mi3, which are pretty descent. in feb they couldn't have been able to do much with it, coz if my calculations are correct, they were only in the project for a month or so then. By the way SoAP made it to the top pf the box office, what a weird world we live in....
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:24 p.m. CST
I didnt like Alias I just watched the last two season but the show seemed to not know if it was buffy, or the A-team, or someother crap show. MI:3 was awesome but its kind of different i know its based on a show but I know nothing of it and see no ties to it in MI:3. Transformers is differnt something there not used to its scifi with canon and Mike Bay at the helm.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST
"The best science fiction is rooted in science fact." Is that so? Then explain Star Wars. Star Wars tended to be so awry from science fiction that they ended up nearly coining a new term for it: Space opera or science fantasy. However, the base laymen movie goer wouldn't know science fantasy from science fiction, therefore, why make a distinction? That tangent aside, if you're saying that all movies should be based in the very, very limited facts we call science, then that means that there's a whole slew of novels that will never see the light of day as films. In fact, I weep for the in preproduction Stars My Destination which will have it's very basis nearly ripped in half because, hey, humans can't really teleport 500 miles at will. We'll have to ground that in reality, which means then they'll end up turning it from a superhuman power to a technological device, in the sake of 'making it their own' and end up trashing most of the reason for making the film in the first place. The question is this, if you can't remain faithful to the source material when you're adapting it ( which includes assuming all it's reality, even the fantastic elements that are so integral to it ) why bother doing it? It'd be like doing a Dragonlance movie, but basing it in Dark Ages era England, and instead of having dragons and magic having giant lizards and catholic priests. Or a Lord of the Rings where instead of Elves and Dwarves you get Asians and black guys.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST
okay, so here's a short review for the tbers who've just tuned in, almost everybody thinks Bay sucks ass (alhough he's made some pretty decent movies in the past, and is one heluva cool action director), the transformers designs suck ass coz they don't look like the G1 TF designs which are very dear to our hearts, the script sucks (now this, i kinda have to agree with, its not "special"), spielberg sucks for just being in the project, Alias and Mi3 suck coz the writers are writing the TF movie, making TFs sorta appear anchored in reality sucks, and about 6 tbers aren't going to see this movie. now thats just a generalization of what has been going on 4 the past 3 days...oh yeah, and no soundwave sucks, starscreams design sucks...i could go on and on
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:43 p.m. CST
ROFL... yeah, that pretty much sums up this TB, Flux_brown. Things to add: Bernie Mac has about a 60% chance of sucking and <insert transformer name here> isn't in the movie so that sucks.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST
You said pretty much what I was about to say. I'd like to hear some examples of these big, blockbuster SciFi titles which are rooted in science fact. Not to put you on the spot or anything, but not a single one comes to mind. That's like saying Star Trek would've been a far more successful franchise if the entire series took place in a rocket while floating from Earth to Mars. And the action consisted of two guys talking to each other for an hour. After all, there's no such thing as warp drive, transporters, phasers or aliens. lol The best SciFi is based on mythology... whether ancient or a modern invention of the storywriter. Star Wars has its force-based mythology. Lord of the Rings has its mythologies and is based on ancient legend. Transformers should be - would be - HUGE if Bay wasn't trying to rewrite it all. The least he could do is fully realize his ego trip and rename the movie Bayformers. heh
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST
Just to be clear, the "you" I was referring to was TheAllSeeingEye.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST
this movie was a big mystery...man its just been blow after blow since then...how many people have lost their jobs at paramount throughout the course of this weekend i wonder...
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST
Actually, he sucks for more reasons than that. lol Seriously though, the old man has lost his touch. I have a theory that he was deeply affected while filming Schindler's List. Something has been eating at him ever since, I think. Everything he's made from that day on has been dark, brooding... and, in my opinion, not nearly as good as his work before. I mean seriously... you could almost draw a line RIGHT THERE at Schindler's List. Lately, though, I think he's been trying to find that spark he used to have. Desperately, even. I'm rootin' for him, 'cause I miss his old style. But he's just not anywhere near the top of his game right now.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST
There's very, very few movies that are based solely in science fact that can even be considered successful. They certain do not rank among the most highest grossing films of all time, however. 2001 is probably one of the most science fact grounded films to ever be made and even it pulls in elements of science fantasy. To be truthful, any time aliens or alien technology enters into the story line, you suddenly throw all claims to science fact out the window because, scientifically speaking, we have no proof the aliens or alien technology could even exist in the universe. Therefore, inclusion of such elements destroys any attempt to ground a movie solely in science fact. This gripe goes beyond Transformers to many other films that could possibly, and are, being made so don't think I'm directing this solely at TF. If you're going to include fantastic elements in your film, do not then try to claim that other elements wouldn't work because you're trying to ground the movie in science fact with real world physics. It's a double standard and to be perfectly honest, you can't have it both ways. Either go with all the fantastic elements and throw the rule book away, allowing for suspension of disbelief because it's a film with fantastic qualities, like Spiderman or LotR; or base it solely in scientific fact and don't force us to suspend our disbelief everytime you throw something fantastic into the film. Doing so only makes the people watching the film end up deriding those parts of the film that don't make sense, such as macintosh computers being able to hack alien technology in Independence Day.
Aug. 20, 2006, 9:58 p.m. CST
and he still is in my eyes. ur right when you say schindlers list changed him, he grew up. but i'm rootin for him, always been. man imagine all the movies that he directed and produced and how he affected us kids growing up throughout the80's and the 90's, i still have great faith in him.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10 p.m. CST
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBY1nxEP3ds) Can you honestly tell us that THAT did not look good? If they cleaned up the CGI, it'd be damned flawless. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST
It's the best way of putting it. He still makes great movies, the only difference really is that he seems to be going more and more mainstream with them rather than following his own vision of what should be done. I personally believe that both Close Encounters and War of the Worlds are great films, they're just aimed differently. War of the Worlds tries for more of a mainstream approach to a sci-fi flick, while Encounters was geared pretty much towards sci-fi fans, IMO. I think the same can be said of many of his films, and you're very right, Schindler's is without a doubt the line that marks where he started moving in another direction. I've liked nearly all of his recent films, though I can see the difference between them. I can say that I do wish that he was doing TF himself, as I'd have far less reservations about it.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:04 p.m. CST
c'mon guys...this is what dreams are made of! hasn't anybody ever paused and stopped to think about that?
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:09 p.m. CST
See, that's what I'm talking about. That animation is very traditional TF styled ( and by that I mean all TF universes, not just G1 ) and very, very close to the look of the Suburu and Mazda Alternators toys. In fact, it's pretty close to looking like the Jazz Alternator toy. Pretty nifty. Good find.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:11 p.m. CST
Yup, that sounds great. Now if only he had directed it. Better yet, I kind of wish Raimi would have been available, I suspect his version of TF would have been pretty sweet.
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:39 p.m. CST
Sadly, in this instance, when he loses we ALL lose. Hopefully Bumblebee falls on his head, knocks the crack out of his system, and causes him to look around & realize how fucked up things are heading. lol It's pointless to argue about it. We all know what would look better. But the truth is, we aren't gonna see it. Nothing we can say will change the direction this is going. I mean seriously, it practically took storming his studios just to get Cullen in the cast. lol Nope, despite our protests, what will be made will be Michael Bay's Independence Day-esque version of The Transformers. But... it might be a cool lil CGI action flick... for me to poop on! lol
Aug. 20, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
I didn't see AvP or X3 because the word of mouth was enough to keep my money in my pocket, and so far I am not finding it hard at all to imagine not seeing this trainwreck.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST
This isn't Transformers! This is Battlestar Galactica 1980... season 2.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:45 p.m. CST
Did anyone see Minority report, or AI or War of world which wasnt too bad but has a slap ass ending.
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:46 p.m. CST
Just finished with that script. I really don't want it to be real, but I am terrified that it is. *shudder*
Aug. 20, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST
and they've already used "There's more to him/her than meets the eye" TWICE! And so far it reads like countless other films. I'm gettting flashbacks to Contact, Enemy of the State, and even Threshhold. Hopefully it'll get better. The Soundwave bit, makes me dread seeing what he actually looks like. A boom box changing into a four foot tall robot? And whats a boombox doing where it's doing? (I'm trying not to spoil it's location) Yeah I understand a hidden up to date sound system would defeat the purpose of the scene and the character, but shouldn't it be a BOSE wave radio or something? It just doesn't fit.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST
MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST
I can't believe any of you think that the studio cares about the 100 of you out there who believe this show was more than just a bunch of 22 minute toy commercials. I liked the tv show too (as a kid!), but these aren't some iconic images drawn from the collective consciousness of mankind. It's a TOYLINE that the studio is making a huge two hour COMMERCIAL of, in order to milk as much money off of TODAY'S kids (actually, their parents) as possible. This is no Peter Jackson passion project based on one of the great works of English fiction. For Bay, it's just a paycheck (which he deperately needs after THE ISLAND). If you think this is anything more than that to any of these people, you are DELUSIONAL.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST
by Black Jesus
And, while it has some problems (it is an early draft, and I'm sure some things have changed), my god, the action scenes in this thing are going to be nuts. If they can pull off that final battle, then that alone will make this movie worth watching. It's fucking insane.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:54 a.m. CST
I'm HALFWAY through the script; where the hell is Prime?!?!?! All i've seen so far is some retarded autobot and some Deceptecons attacking the army and stuff. The MAJOR problem so far is that the whole thing is human-centric; the stupid kid, the army, whoever. A TRANSFORMERS movie should not be told from the perspective of people. I know this is an early draft but a later draft would need to be a total rewrite to be any good. To ask Bay an important question, "You do intend to have Transformers in your Transformers movie, right? Um, hello?"
Aug. 21, 2006, 1:01 a.m. CST
"Bumblebee's oil filter (on his crotch) pops off and a STREAM OF HOT OIL sprays all over the agents" *sigh* So lame. I guess Bumblebee deactivated Yahoo's parental controls and took a liking to "golden showers".
Aug. 21, 2006, 1:33 a.m. CST
What paycheck? This film won't make a profit, at this rate. Aimed at "today's kids"? I don't think so. It'll be rated PG-13, not G. This is being aimed at the 2 Fast 2 Furious crowd. I've never walked out on a movie and asked for a refund before but, if it blows as badly as these leaks are implying, well... there's a first time for everything.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST
And since it looks like *SPOILER* Starscream is gonna be the new DEcepticon leader *END SPOILER* it almost justifies making him buff.... almost. I don't know, this could go either way, I'll wait untill I see them in action during the Super Bowl trailer, before I pass judgement on it. None the less, I won't miss it in theaters, I know the audience will be rolling at the "Daddy says I get five dollars!" bit.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST
Have you ever actually been through the character design process? Especially one where someone asks you to update or modernize a certain character but remain true to that which made such character who he/she is? Doubt it. The fact is, there have been more than one shot of the character designs. I'm pissed because they took iconic designs that did work in real life (check out fan made Sideswipe transfomation for proof)and essentially took a shit on the fans. No respect for the characters at all and even less it seems for people who made it popular in the first place. They look totally week and unispired, like they were built at JPL or NASA. I think some changes would have been in order, such as eliminating some blockiness but overall retain the core designs that made Transformers popular. Starscream for instance looks absolutely nothing like he did in ANY previous incarnation and as such people, especially the fans are not going to accept it. Now if Bay and his character design team had any real concept of being true to the characters, they would have made changes here and there but Starscream could have looked just as he did back in G1 but a lot more badass. Every element that made Starscream who he was is gone and is replaced by...... well this character. They could have used an FA-18 instead of the F-15 that was originally used for the design. Hell they could have used a MiG and it still would have looked a lot better. Transformers is only a name they gave the movie to get people in seats but once the movie actually comes out, I can guarantee this film will not make as much as they want it to. I say #1 at the BO the first weekend tops, with an 70-80% dropoff due to people saying "That's not the Transformers." And that is a GUARANTEE. Also the blue sky on Mars from the trailer was just sloppy.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:16 a.m. CST
You resonded to two static pictures of the toy someone posted above. Now tell me, not knowing exactly how that particular Starscream would move in the film if that design was used, how can YOU be the judge of that? You just contradicted yourself. I do know that more people (the audience, the fans) would accept that a hell of a lot more than what's currently being put in its place.
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST
I've been through character design process and these look good. I have problems with details here and there but overall it's solid (if not brilliant in some details). As much as I loved Starscream, his design has always come off like the Gobots of the bunch; i.e. the new toy prop is already better. G1 designs over-all cheated a hell lot with dimensions and mass, blatantly so actually (even as a kid I knew this... everytime I went to the toystore, it was another reminder). Seriously, G1 Starscream design was attrocious. /// Now comes some criticism of the new designs: too busy, if they're gonna keep this then I hope they hide the unnecessary details in the shadows. Scorponok is the only one that works well all the details. The front of Prime's feet are wonky (overall look is badass, thou). /// Now, if only they decided to go make it a period piece and go steam-punk with this, the details would have been great... http://www.idwpublishing.com/titles/transformers/hos.shtml
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:36 a.m. CST
thats not what the fuck everyone wants. You idiots. you act as if peopel want 100% faithful adaptation, most people know that isn't possible, but what they and me included and various people here want is a middle ground between the source G1(which is the most popular even if you believe not, you think transformers, you think that and optimus with a cab chest) and some updating. What happened here is a total reimaging, to the point the characters are barely recognizable, not to mention the fact that you can't even tell what they transform into. You idiots. If you think like that then you probably liked Batman and Robin with the nipples on the chest. I know shermdog is nitpicky but even he can admit that they brought batman to life in batman begins aesthetically, they found a middle ground between the comic and cinematic appeal. the grey suit wouldn't work but they kept all the other stuff. that's what should have happened here, anyone who says 'there should be change' is a paramount employee or one of those people who watched those terrible post G1 pieces of shit anime cartoons(yes beast wars was not that good), so they're ok with shit. If you believe in change, then superman is ok without a cape, spiderman wears a hat, voltron is made of computers. There has to be a middle ground. Like Doc Strange said, the sideswipe CGI looked amazing, and would have worked on film with some tweaking. You actually think they would only show 2 dimensional 5 pieces of blocks? tweaking had to be done, not a reimaging. That's just Bay being Bay. You know his eyes lit up like a 5 year old? because he has the intelligence and balls of a 5 year old.
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:48 a.m. CST
All great points ( though I'd argue Beast Wars being crap :) ). To add to your comment about the popularity of the G1 designs, it's important to note that Takara and Hasbro goes back to those original stylings all the time with newer iterations of the Transformers, down to color styles and head sculpts. The various versions throughout the 20+ year span since Transformers were initially introduced to the US easy proves that you can tweak and change bits and pieces and still have the original characters come through intact. And yes, that even includes Beast Wars and the newer fullbore anime style cartoons/toys ( all of which constantly pay serious homage to G1 ). That Hasbro/Takara themselves have successfully redone their product over the years should speak volumes for the direction the movie should have gone.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:02 a.m. CST
be done due to the looks just Google search Masterpiece Optimus Prime MP-04
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST
Though, ignore the colors in some of the pictures you'd find. Depending on the lighting, they vary from grey to blue and from red to pink.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:20 a.m. CST
the only thing i've paid much attention to is the Bumblebee shit. It's ok. Nothing else really piqued my interest. It's retarded that they decided to go with XM over Sirius. Fuck that bullshit. HOWARD ALL THE WAY, BITCHES!
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:07 a.m. CST
leaked script yet. Maybe Harry, told everyone to chill so he can give his opinion on it. C'mon Mr.HEADGEEK sir, tell us what you think.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:33 a.m. CST
Where the fuck are his exhaust pipes when he's in bot mode? I cant see them in those pics. He looks almost naked without them, they better be on his fucking arms/shoulders by the time this Go Bots film comes out.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:39 a.m. CST
In one version he looks like a cross between The Fly and a fucking chicken. In the other version, he's quite simply a fat cunt. Some of these tranformers belong in a Bionicle film. Where the fuck are the side panels, fenders, doors, grilles, even the fucking windscreen wipers? Too much "skeleton" and not enough actual body panels of the vehicles they transform into.
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST
I never said they were based entirely on science fact simply that they were rooted to science fact; there
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:34 a.m. CST
Have I been through the character design process? Of a sort. While I
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST
Some of those Joss Whedon shots he did in Firefly/Serenity. You know, where he similates a shaky cam, zooms in on something, zooms out, does a quick pan, and zooms in on something else. That would be awesome in the closing battle.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:03 a.m. CST
shaky cam shots, maybe not? but we'll sure as hell get some pretty damn cool hero shots, and some damn cool shodown scenes, remeber bad boys 2? will smith and martin lawrence vs the dreadlocks?
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:13 a.m. CST
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:21 a.m. CST
Looking at the "High Tech" design of the robots in robot form, are they going to be able to actually produce toys that can transform? Which is the soul purpose of the original cartoon to begin with. Think about it. Transformer toys that you can't...transform? I like the new designs they seem a lot cleaner and robotic, but practically they don't seem to work. I wanted this movie to rule so that my little boy could grow up with TF like I did. Now, for the first time it looks like his toys won't be as cool as mine were.
Aug. 21, 2006, 9:40 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
still don't care. And I watched some of the cartoon this morning. It's giant robots that turn into cars. Isn't it being taken a bit seriously?
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST
by behind blue eyes
so that they wouldn't call attention, that they could go around un-noticed by human eyes. Who is not going to notice a flamed-up truck, a modded Hummer, and uh, whatever bumblebee is supposed to be....
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST
From an engineering\physics standpoint, could you please tell me what is the purpose of all those retarded, Gundam-y looking spikes and protuberances coming out of every inch of these Transformer designs? Doesn't it make more sense that for example, a Transformer's forearm or chest be skinned by a single, consistant patch of material from the vehicle it came from, rather than 200 little spikey parts sticking out every which way from sunday? The skeletal structure of the Transformers is irrelevant, the point it that their body parts should be sheathed in what is obviously the outer shell of the vehicle, as for example, the hood or sidepanels of a car serve no structural purpose, they likewise should serve no structural purpose other than to form an exoskeleton around whatever endoskeleton you choose to create it with.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST
thats easy, the ones with spikes from herewith will be called PORCUPINOBOTS lol
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST
And they leave the door open for lots of things (alt modes, more autobots/etc). Bah, this is the original X-Men all over again.. wahhh no spandex!
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST
doesn't anybody think of it being weird that they haven't yanked those pics and that script off the web yet?
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST
things are heatin up...y'all know he's got a point there :)
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST
It's really quite sad. Grown ass men bitching and whining about a movie based on a 20 year old cartoon. I for one will be first in line to see this movie and probably several times after that. I hated the fact that they killed Optimus in the first movie, but even when I was that young, I still knew a) it was just a movie and b) that it was in fact a MOVIE. The positive decisions they've made in my mind far outweight the bad (Cullen and according to Murphy, Welker pretty soon). They've already stated that this is a movie with G1 characters, but not based on any G1 comic/tv/movie plots. Don't like what you see? STFU and hope that someone else makes one 20-30 years from now and is more accurate. Course by then most of you old ass whiners may be dead. Ah well.
Aug. 21, 2006, noon CST
by Lost Prophet
what is he to do with Transformers- I looked on imdb and he is not listed in connection with it?
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST
I don't need to SEE anything, I've READ the boring stupid travesty. He wants people to go away? Sounds like it's time to sign up.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST
Wow..i'm Don Murphy. Awesome. I mean, never mind the fact that i've been posting in other threads before this about the Halo movie, games etc...i guess Don Murphy, oops i mean me, is an exec producer on that now. Mind, it was inevitable that, due to the fact that i'm spinning a slightly positive vibe on something i'd have to be a plant. This is great.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST
I may have to have words with the real Don Murphy asking exactly where my share of the royalties are since he's been using my spin apparently.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST
Honestly, my biggest complaint is the look and lack of character in Starscream. Come on now, don't fuck him up. And btw, Don, baby, if you read this....LET DAFOE DO THE VOICEOVER FOR HIM!!!
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST
I'd quite happily run things by you again, but, i'm fucking Don Murphy don't you know and people like me don't have time to talk to peons on Aint it Cool News. Just Kidding. Anyway to answer your question i'd have to say what the REAL Don Murphy said which is those are 2 or 3 shots of what is, more than likely, incomplete work. They'll probably add more detail to the models as they go and i'm guessing they'll wind up looking like the citroen car advert transformer. The skeleton will still be there but they'll flesh out the detail with doors and windows etc. As for the old, fully metal skinned transformers, i've said it before and i'll say it again, they'd be too clunky. Take that transforming VW, from a physical point of view, where does the mass of say, the robots legs, fit into that car chassis? They're fucking huge, if they were that big then the car mode wouldn't have room to have people sat in it because it'd be full of, well, legs. I can't say what all the Spikey shit is on blackout, i was assuming they were the rotor blades but thats a question that would really have to be forwarded to the designers. If only i was Don Murphy i'd be able to ask them for you but alas, i'm an underpaid animator/modeller living in fucking England. Oh well.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST
I always wanted them to try and dig out some old recordings of Chris Latta for the voice. The masters must exist somewhere still and all they need are some of the more classic lines from the old cartoon. They'd be royalty free and they won't have to pay Latta anything, what with him being dead, the major plus being you'd appease even more fans if you did that.
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST
wait. there's two versions now? only seen the bug-eyed atrocious piece of shit. what's the other?
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST
y'know, you could always get him to squeeze ur moniker into some of Optimus' dialog, check this out" Optimus: "these humans are more than meets THEALLSEEINGEYE". nice huh? you'd figure, that with all the attention we're gettin, the powers that be here at aicn, would chime in but nooooo....c'mon guys, we'd love to hear ur two cents...
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST
Especially with me being Don Murphy you'd think Harry would be in here wouldn't you? Just to set the record straight here, the all seeing eye is the eye in the pyramid, as seen on a dollar and is linked to the masons. Maybe i should change my name to 'THEEYELOOKINGTHROUGHTHEKEYHOLETHATDONMURPHYUSESASHISAVATAR'
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST
Yo! Dons-R-US! Your telling me I can't NOT like what I see. If I all I see is shit and thats you given me to see what am I supposed to think? Sorry, Im being negative for something that literally looks HORRIBLE! If shit walks cool its still shit walking, motherfucker. Don't patronize me and say I don't know anything. I have seen and read enough to know this movie is in suckytown 5000. Don't act like we negative folks havent given constructive criticism or suggestions. I suggested setting the movie 1984 to play off the nostalgia and thus allowing you to use the original vehicle modes. I'm pretty sure you just don't like hearing your work get pwned. Well, tough tits MC McBitch. If you make sucky sucky,im gonna bitchy bitchy. DEAL Assclown!
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST
by AGE IIX
for saying that he is a transformer fan!!! AAAGGH!!!! what have they done with STARSCREAM??? HOW CAN YOU FUCK UP A TRANSFORMER MOVIE!!!
Aug. 21, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST
"As for the old, fully metal skinned transformers, i've said it before and i'll say it again, they'd be too clunky. Take that transforming VW, from a physical point of view, where does the mass of say, the robots legs, fit into that car chassis? They're fucking huge, if they were that big then the car mode wouldn't have room to have people sat in it because it'd be full of, well, legs." <<< BULLSHIT. Google "Binaltech" and you'll see how Takara managed to create well over 10 G1-ish robots that turn into real world vehicles with full interiors. You are full of shit. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST
i remember back in the 80-90's that phrase was painted on the back of moving trucks in tampa florida,i believe it was the father of a drummer from "nasty savage"curtis beeson?...i knew his brother sanford, and they were just doing it fer publicity/mess with people
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:34 p.m. CST
Please fuck off with the toy references. Seriously, how old are you? By far you are the most zealous prick i have EVER seen on these fucking talkbacks but really funny thing is you've got a zealous hard on over a fucking piece of plastic. Grow the fuck up.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST
You know, those fucking toys you told me to look up are just as clunky as the old ones; they'd look fucking awful on screen. I didn't realise it was meant to be a comedy. Also, for a fucking purist i find it quite amusing that you are happy that they now have shockwave as a fucking mazda rx8....classic. I'm guessing that if they did that in the movie you'd also be crying about that too. You are officially a clown.
Aug. 21, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST
Wow..let's get that on screen straight away. Seeing as i'm really Don Murphy i'll get my guys right on it. LMFAO
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:10 p.m. CST
First i'm Don Murphy, now i'm a Mean Prickbag..please..i'm having an identity crisis here; I can't possibly be both.
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST
SizzleChest a.k.a Mike Bay or TheAllseeingeye a.k.a Don Murphy. I mean seriously I want to hear a honest explanation as to why the newly designed Masterpiece prime can not be done on the big screen. along with the stuff we've already seen on you tube with the VW that looked great and the "Sideswipe" video that also looked great you guys are full of shit, or your own ego's. it just sad when a bunch of students and animators from 20 years ago can make something more entertaining then the dreck you come up with for over $200 mil.
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST
Tell this is a joke? http://www.bwtf.com/binaltech/prowl/rm1.jpg I DO NOT want that piece of shit on film. Works in a cartoon, real life... Hell no!
Aug. 21, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST
I love hearing him/them dismiss the toys so easily and so childishly. Oooh... we know about the newer toys, we must be prepubescent children living in our parents basements. Hey, dickweed, ever stop to think that some people actually have jobs where they deal with toys on a regular daily basis? Worse yet, you make it sound like it's a bad thing to be a fan of something. Wow, tell that to all the Red Sox fans who've suffered 5 straight losses that it's childish and stupid to be a fanboy. Better yet, do it IN Boston. Ever see Die Hard with a Vengeance? Know the scene with Bruce Willis in Harlem? That'd be you, only Sam Jackson wouldn't be there to save your sorry ass. I love the people who come on here, bitch about the 'fanboys' then proceed to go bitch when their favorite sports team suffers a loss. Guess what? You're a fanboy too. Fact of the matter is, if you're saying that you should go through life without being a fan of anything, than you're suggesting everyone lead very, very shallow lives. Hate to break it to you and everyone else, but having a personal investment in something doesn't make you an idiot. It makes you human.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST
Fuck Don Murphy. To me it seems like he's just angry that the fans have come to the realization that he's sold out Transformers along with his dignity. He wants the dissenters to go away? Fine, we'll go away, and we're taking everyone we know with us. You're not getting a penny from us. I don't need to SEE that abortion of a design you have for Starscream to realize that it's a shitty design. It's right there in front of my eyes. Oh, that's right, you got us Cullen and maybe Welker. Oooh. You've done us all such a great service. Let's not even mention that there shouldn't have even been a discussion about those choices. Your designs are craptacular, your script is craptacular, and I'm sick of spending my cash on craptacular movies. At the very least, if you're going to make a shitty movie, revel in it like Snakes on a Plane did. That at least was entertaining. This is just a joke.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST
Coming out of the shitty design WTF. I dont care how that thing moves or looks in 3-D it still looks like crap. A car that looks like a peice of crap parked looks like the same piece of crap when its moving.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:08 p.m. CST
You need to come up with something more original than that. What's even more amusing than the man love shown here for 7 inch pieces of plastic is the stupid conclusion that because i'm positive about the movie those tools think i really am Don Murphy. Jesus christ. As for you phategod, i'm not explaining it again. You're either too stupid to understand or just unwilling. You pick which one.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:12 p.m. CST
The two winners of this years 'emotionally stunted person' award are Truth0ne and Thenedain for both being unable to loose their toy fantasies.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:21 p.m. CST
Oooookay... thanks for that, guy who stole his name from a popular series of books/movies.
Aug. 21, 2006, 4:54 p.m. CST
So I suck because I like 20 year old toys? You like 50 year old books (as do I). So a magic book about little elves and tiny cute people frolicking through a forest is WAY more macho and mature than a cartoon? Fraid not. I want the film to have respect for the source material...thats all. It doesn't now and won't. I have every right to pissed. BTW I LOVE that stuff too but just saying your making an ass of yourself and should probably stop. FYI the alternators suck. Masterpieces are were its at.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
My vote for hero of the TB so far. I wanted to post on Don Murphy too, but didn't have the energy. You summed it up, though.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:09 p.m. CST
Don't waste your time trying to rationalize with the trolls. We have best special effects company working on these designs. The movie will turn out ok, despite what the naysayers think.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST
Masterpiece kicks ass. But to say that Alternators suck is a ridiculous statement.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST
Trolls? The trolls coming into this TB are the ones who look down their noses snidely at those of us who have an investment in "20 year old toys". Kind of ridiculous since the movie is based on those very toys. Those of us complaining about the choices they've made for this movie so far just want to see something that pays proper respect to those toys, to the comics, to the cartoon, to the very things that made this such a worthwhile property to bring to the big screen in a live action film. That doesn't make us trolls.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:25 p.m. CST
what you did was express and opinion why you believed it wouldn't work I would like to see and actual fact I know when i saw that thing with the VW i did not care about the Mass of the legs just that it looked like Freaking Bumble bee I dont care about the real world logistics of what you believe is plausable. but lets forget about that for second and talk about that horrible script this thing makes Masters Of the Universe look like Titanic, at least Langella was good. I thought Spike and his dad where good mechanics not a nerd trying to get laid. The first few acts read like Christine. I've been comparing this mocie to Short Circuit but aftr seeing the designes and reading the draft of script, I realize that this movie is a travesty to even short circuit theres no way alley sheedy would appear in this crap.
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:50 p.m. CST
cars, called "Transformers" and they are not resembling any of the "transformers" that anybody knows...why the transformer license? Oh wait, so that people will go...sorry I forgot. Cause people woudnt go see this debockle!!!!!
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:54 p.m. CST
At least B&R was marketable those toys look like ass and giant Choke Hazzards, and primes flames will make your children Mo's
Aug. 21, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST
christine..? funny. that better be an early draft
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:10 p.m. CST
*SPOILERS SPOILERS* speaks threw radio songs next his dent wil magically disappear and he kills high school punks who crap on his dash. but the best part is the back story "Twin sons United among a Dynasty of primes" thats right megatron and prime are brothers i would love to be at the conception and birth of that one.
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:24 p.m. CST
i grew up with TFs as a kid like all of you, i'm a sucker for robot movies, or movies in general. i've been dying to see Tf hit the big screen, i've read the script, wasn't particularly crazy about it, although it does have its moments. but oddly enough...i'm still optimistic...as Don said, its a live action movie their making here...not another cartoon. so what? their reimagining it. big deal. we've got welker and cullen, and i'm sure there'll be pleasant surprises in the future. don't you guys think its a bit too early to pass judgement? its only been in production for a little more than a month now....
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST
.... so this movie WAS made for me! hahahaha, but seriously, i dont get the people who say "if your gunna criticize the movie, dont post here" ummm thats the point in this board, to have an opinin and post it! Infact, maybe we should completley turn it around and ask people who are completley content and happy with all the changes NOT to post here. Infact dont even come to the site for news ont he movie and you can walk into the theatre just as content and ignorant as the rest of the MTV masses. For those of you who think the G1 designs couldnt work because they are not real enough, i just want to say : THIS IS A MOVIE ABOUT ALIEN ROBOTS WHO TALK AND TRANSFORM AND FIGHT EACH OTHER!!!! Realism went right out the window the moment transformers and live action were used in the same sentence! You know what i want? I want transformers! not boinicles. bionicles were made for rittle kids . transformers had heart and were made for kids not only to sell really cool toys but also to convey really corny, but needed messages. I dont give a shiiitt about "space shifting" or whatever the crap that stuff is called. I dont care that everything NEEDS to be explained! I dont care that megatron turns into a gun! (btw, noone ever points out that he turns in to a HUGE gun that only another robot can fire- everyone makes it seem like he turns into a tiny pistol!) Why do people feel the need to change conceptys that have been around for decades with crap that has only been like "cool" in the last 5 years? Why do the transformers have to alter to conform to our time? why cant they set the movie in 80s? where humans had less than stellar technology? I dont get it! i think it would just be harder for them. Im telling you, make this movie with G1 designs, facial features- a story where and i shit you not, you stick close to the G1 stuff -megatron the asshole and Prime the altrusitic leader and your gunna have a ton of audience breaks into applause after a battle moments! i get goose bumps just thinking about it. BTW, i will see this movie regardless, it doesnt mean im gunna give everything a pass and love everything in it!
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST
Why, who and how came to this conclusion? The Decepticons are robotic insects? Is it because the Faction insignia looks like an Insect? I always thought it was the stylized face of Soundwave, whom neither looks like a monkey or an insect. It is a design clash and totally against the concepts of the pre-earth decepticons, animals didn't come into play until two three years into the line. I hate monkey-insect-scream and the lack of noses and mouths.
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST
giant robots kicking ass on the big screen...man i can't wait! hope they rework that script though, the autobots need more character dev...
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST
does anybody still remember the name of the gobot villain that turned into a motorcycle?
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST
Was some kind of black truck named Trailbreaker. Got him way back in 1985. I busted it within 10 minutes; couldn't transform the mother fucker. And this is the only thing I will ever contribute to any Transformer talkback for the rest of eternity.
Aug. 21, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST
ahh the first transformer, oh and he was a toyota hilux, which is the rest of the world's version of the toyota tacoma.
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:16 p.m. CST
They aren't making this movie for the fans; they're making it for a mass audience. You might think that sucks but there's no way any studio is going to make a movie that looks just like the stuff from the 80's to appease what is effectively a very small percentage of the people who WILL go and see this; this is what's called living in the 'real world'. As for the FX and the robots, you might not care if the movie doesn't explain how soundwave can shrink to the size of a normal tape player or if they apply real world physics, (which is just stupid because you can't animate anything properly without factoring in the laws of the physical universe). Ultimately the people at ILM are professional artists who know what they're doing and there's a good reason why things look like they do. I've done my best to explain certain technical aspects of it, (and excuse me phategod but i've not given you an opinion but a rather accurate, albeit brief, explanation of the considerations animators face doing their job) it's blatantly obvious now that no answer will ever be good enough for the more hardcore toy nut out there. If you want nostalgia watch the origiinal animated movie, read the comics..play with your ickle cars.
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST
hey..he's got the doo
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:29 p.m. CST
I didn't mind the Bumblebee-talking-through-music conceit. The scene with the Autobots at Sam's house reminded me of the suburbia scene in The Lost World. Megatron and Starscream have no personality and almost no dialogue in the entire movie. They are not at all relevant until the last 20 minutes or so. Oh, and the human characters are all completely cardboard. I'd like to see them transform into actual characters that are more than the most hackneyed of stereotypes. Random thoughts over.
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:43 p.m. CST
see, the script was 113 pages long, if 1 page= 1 minute then its only gonna be 1 hr and a half...but bay always has a tendency to make a movie thats more than 2hrs, so maybe they're gonna pad the character development a bit in that unaccounted 40 something minutes...whaddya think?
Aug. 21, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST
I don't know, they look cool, but I have a feeling we'll have a hard time relating to the characters. They just look to harsh and angular.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST
These pics look even worse than that shi**y Bumblebee pic. The other boardmember had it right when he said the new desigsn are to busy and detailed. The Transformers I know and love mostly have smooth clean lines and this just looks LIKE A PILE OF EFFING SHIT!!!!! I HOPE THIS EFFING MOVIE IS THE BIGGEST HOLYWOOD BOMB SINCE HUDSON EFFING HAWK!!! I HATE YOU NOW MICHEAL BAY AND ALL OF INVLOVED for destroying something that meant so much to me as a kid. So why don't you go ahead and make a G.I.JOE movie and be sure to cast it with a bunch of obese crippled midgets so you can DESTROY THAT AS WELL!!!!!!!
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST
You can't just pull character development out of your ass unless you're A) a writer or B) a gifted filmic story teller (surprisingly like Spielberg). While I'm someone who does tend to enjoy Bay's movies (not all of them but some) and I find he has a nice knack for visual flair, I don't see him as filmic storyteller. I could't see him vamping for 30 minutes trying to add his own character development that's not in the script. Not in any way that's worthwhile.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:03 p.m. CST
This is ridiculous nonsense that will leaden-up the storyline and bring in pseudo-religious overtones which will simply prove the writers are unsophisticated. Why can't the Autobots be freedom loving without needing to possess the Energon Cube?
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST
Right there is a perfect example of lack of respect for the source material. I understand they were trying to go with a joke by having Sam freak out that his parents were going to see Optimus and the others outside of the window. First off, it was a scene that dragged on too long. Second off, when the Autobots eventually do hide, they lean up against the house and cause it to rumble like in an earthquake. WTF?!?!?!?! They're Transformers. Why wouldn't they just transform to their alt modes to hide out, which is the whole point of having the alt modes to begin with. That's bad scripting.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST
"cobbled from 80s cliches" all over it.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST
do you think spielberg, having been so 'passionate" about the project would let this go down the drain? yes, bay is everything but a gifted storyteller, but y'know, a little more autobot and decepticon lines here and there won't hurt, heck even a one line or two would be fine. btw, Dane cook is in this movie...is he gonna do voice work or what?
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST
stereotypes. Yup, it's a Bay movie alright.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:17 p.m. CST
That really amounts to nothing. Wasting time for the robots to show up, like we don't know what film we will have paid to see.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:20 p.m. CST
The problem with making a movie like Transformers and aiming it not at the fans of the license but instead at a mass audience is that, without the fans to back you up, there won't BE a mass audience. Who do you think brings in all these people? Do you think people just randomly wander into theaters like herds of cattle, mooing as they aimlessly shuffle into their seats? Trust me, before going to see it, anyone who wasn't a fan as a kid and knows I have been will ask me for my take on this film. That's the way it works and why it's insanity to ignore the supporters of a franchise while creating work for it. If the film remains as it's currently shaping to become, I PRAY it is released straight-to-video. While it may hurt or even destroy some careers, as a big-screen disaster... ridiculed for weeks on every late night talk show & SNL... it will also make such a joke of the Transformers license that we may never see a DECENT version. THAT is why we care.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST
... or u listen to the fans, it does pretty descent at the theatres, nothing special, and then KILLSS in dvd sales and toy sales and becomes a cult classic ;) kinda like donnie darko
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST
n : literary fantasy involving the imagined impact of science on society... Notice the word "imagined". Not "literal". Not "realistic". "Speculative", maybe, at best. What Bay is aiming at cobbling together, here, isn't Science Fiction. It's crap. He wants it to be based in reality. The moment he made that decision, this ceased to be a true Transformers movie. If he's gonna be so factual, these robots should be human constructs, not alien beings. This entire project is just one enormous botched job. I really don't want this to be the first movie I actually walk out on and demand a refund over. But at this point it's honestly going that way.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST
range of cultures and ethnicities, but do they all need to be hackeneyed stereotypes? I can't believe someone thought this was acceptable.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:30 p.m. CST
It plays Dvd's UMD's and PS2 games. while MI:3 was one of the best movies this year this proves the writers: A: know nothing about transformers G1. B: can't write worth a crap when it comes to sci-fi. I hope they dont write Star Trek.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST
They got too literal with the reverse engineering and trying to make them realistic, which is to make them overly human and over explained. At the same time, TF works best when their alien culture (which does not exist) and biomechanical functions are not overly emphasised. They are just a metaphor for human conflict that is larger-than-life.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:34 p.m. CST
I'm about 30 pages in and not a single innovative idea.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:38 p.m. CST
thats like aliens saying that our bodies are badly designed! we dont have any control over that! OK maybe im starting ramble because i cant see straight- thats how pissed i am at Bay and co. but there has got to be... deep at the core of these robots, something special that science can not explain that gives them their spark and allows them to live, which we can not explain! either make a true to form transformers movie thatis out of this world , or you will have a clunky half ass 'reality movie'
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:44 p.m. CST
its probably not in his vocabulary if he got the mtephor then Tyrese, and bernie mack would not be cast and if they would it would be for there voices. The only thing on bays mind are dollaar signs and how much blow he can get to the set. I dont have problem with this movie if they remove the license but I feel this movie is a travesty to my childhood and to anyone who held any Generation in any regard. Prime goes from being Noble, Rightous, paternal to a farce of his former self. This is movie based on a poor account of prime but that sir is no prime I know.
Aug. 21, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST
Did you see my earlier post wait till you get to part with the Decepticons *SPOILER* they speak Dial-UP Modem and the whole Twin brothers in the dynasty of primes Garbage.
Aug. 21, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST
aliens in spaceships are beyond our comprehension, just as the internal workings of a fucking transformer should be!
Aug. 21, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST
Aug. 21, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST
"people like Bowspearer who just live in a cesspool of hatred, will say
Aug. 21, 2006, 9:54 p.m. CST
Michael Bay tried to stay true to the likeness of the Transformers but totally missed the boat. I mean, Bumblebee is a sports car? Come on, he's a VW Volkswagen Beetle aka a BUG! A yellow bug...aka Bumblebee. Like if Bay wanted to change things, he could have made Bumblebee the new version of the VW Beetle and not the old one back in 1984. Never the less, he's tried to go hyper-realistic and alien sci-fi on us. As someone said before, the movie attracts the hardcore fans. Then those hardcore fans go back to their friends, family, and what-not saying "Oh mi god, this movie is so kick-ass". X-Men was dissapointing because it wasn't the X-Men. It was a different version imagined by Hollywood. Whereas Spider-Man had everything in it you'd expect. A Red and Blue costume, Peter Parker, without any zany change. They didn't put Spider-Man in a leather outfit or anything like that. The first Ninja Turtles movie was pretty dead-on and worked. Sin City was absolutely a transfer of comic to movie and look how great it came out. Frank Miller was always mad at Studio Execs changing his ideas and finally made a breakthrough with Sin City. Go figure...they stay true to what the characters look like and act. Someone mentioned how Megatron is lame being a gun. Megatron is a gigantic gun and he's the ultimate weapon for his decepticons to use. I imagine the aim is dead-on and deadly. And who cares if it doesn't make sense. It is a movie/story after all. I mean, does Batman make sense? Average human in a bat-suit swinging from buildings at night chasing bad guys. Riiiight. Anyways, I bet this has been on here before, but some kick-ass guy showed how the Transformers shoulder have been. It looks absolutely 100% awesome and its how the movie should have been made. http://www.techeblog.com/index.php/tech-gadget/optimus-prime-cgi-animation
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:08 p.m. CST
As a fan of the Transformers i'm getting jack and shit. I can only imagine the shit storm if they didn't cast Cullen as the voice of prime, or atleast make an attempt and that's all it is an attempt to make Optimus Prime's design right. He has simian feet if you hadn't noticed.
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST
by The Brewhammer
<<do you think spielberg, having been so 'passionate' about the project would let this go down the drain?>>I think it's safe to say he can manhandle it until he kills it. We should, at the very least, be thankful that Tom Cruise isn't in it.
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST
Voice casting aint been announced yet wait for Cruise as star scream
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST
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Aug. 21, 2006, 10:22 p.m. CST
by The Brewhammer
GAH! Man don't even JOKE about that! :(
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST
I dont know who wrote that tripe but Its funny reading that. I think I could Do better I had no Idea the Screen play where so Simple and light. that script is so full of fluff I bet it was banged out in a night. its like someone watched maybe three episode got high with two friends and made up the most F'ed up shit I ever read. I'd pay $8 just see Soundwave say "As you command megatron" I'd pay $8 to see jazz breakdance, I'd pay $8 to here Welker say "I'll rip out your Optics" I'd pay $8 to see another human being say the word Thundercraker but we wont get that what we get is a Micheal Bay Wet dream so I will do my best to pillage the shit out of this movie and give it to anyone who wants to see it free of charge. w/ a complimentary copy of the real Transformers the movie.
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST
So now he can't talk, but communicates with XM Satellite Radio. Wow, cutsey and unncessary, but with product placement! I cannot stress enough how obnoxious this script is.
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:52 p.m. CST
writer. This movie is horrible cliches piled up one after another. This is Masters of the Universe bad. All of the action is incredibly pedantic and there have been a couple of cute humor bits, but they are of the teen film variety and have nothing to do with Transformers.
Aug. 21, 2006, 10:53 p.m. CST
about yahooooooooooooooooo. damn only if google had a catchy jingle they would have been all over that. this thing is a joke. I was thinking the same thing only he doesn't repeat the crap on the radio he actually plays the crap so he's more like christine.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST
the last half, and they are relatively personality-free. Optimus being the one exception, but even that is a degredation. The whole thing is really one of the worst things I've read in awhile. I'm surprised Latinoreview.com was so kind to it. It is nothing but a string of cliches, and as I mentioned, the Energon thing is meaningless in the end and is a deus ex machina.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST
just wait....u'll see star scream flashing his pearly whites and bam! u'll here cruises voice hahahahahaha
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:29 p.m. CST
scripts are offline now. anyone want to email me a copy or upload it to rapidshare.de or something? firstname.lastname@example.org
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:32 p.m. CST
but yes, the script sucks...it needs A LOT OF tweaking although that yaaahhhhhooooooo yodel scene, worked for me....the oil cap didn't
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST
this is and idea i had for rationalizing Soundwave and evrything else why not have the reformatting probe sent from the arc in 1985 and it take twenty years to reformat all the Transformers on the arc during the crash that would for some real fun scenes with Sound wave and humans
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST
It never really makes sense why they have to have it, or how Megatron can consume sparks, etc. It is never really revealed to be all powerful, nor do the stakes ever seem that high. It's basically mindless mystical sounding fluff that should never have been introduced in the first place. Adding Prime and Megs being brothers is equally meaningless, and if they were going for a Janus or Romulus/Remus theme, it's never really explored. They have no real relationship here or sense of history. Why not make it about consuming energy resources to resupply the war on Cybertron as it originally was? Much more topical. They could've had a lot to say with this movie, and instead they choose to say nothing.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:43 p.m. CST
at the height of the Cold War and use it to comment on the time in which it was created. The fashions, the cars, everything. If not that, then a hyper-stylized world influenced by the 80s. I don't get why filmmakers are so afraid to do that with superhero films, either. Some stories work better set in a certain period. If you try to make a Cap film without establishing his WWII context, for instance, it's disjointed.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:56 p.m. CST
I stopped reading that shitty script after the first 30 or so mindless cliched pages. Prime and Megs are brothers?! What the fuck!? Holy friggin' christ, that and that alone proves that no one involved with writing that crap had any clue about the very basic concepts or stories behind the license. It's so amazing to me how little they must have known about the TF universe. Didn't they have access to fucking wikipedia or google?! My god, a 10 year old girl could write a better story after just spending 20 minutes researching on wiki! I'm just utterly perplexed and speechless.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST
They did not have to translate the dense backstory and characterization of the TF to the screen. Instead, they are able to focus on a bunch of human cliches. There is a reason why the G1 cartoon was so successful, and it wasn't because it was filled with cliche human characters.
Aug. 21, 2006, 11:57 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Could someone kindly send me a copy of this script? Just when I decided to read it, it of course has been pulled. Hairy43@sbcglobal.net, thanks in advance!
Aug. 22, 2006, midnight CST
Personally, I think the only way to do a good Captain America movie franchise justice is to set the first movie entirely in WW2. Captain America's story now, at it's most basic, is a man out of time story. It's captured best in the Ultimate universe, and even the DTV Ultimate Avengers movies. To really set up the 'man out of time' concept, you really need to build on the ties to his original era, ie WW2. Plus, it'd just be kickass to see Cap kicking ass in WW2 Berlin.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST
Fuck the team currently writing this tripe. You know who should be writing it? Simon Furman and Larry DiTillio. Both are responsible for some absolute amazing TF stories, with DiTillio having some serious writing credits to his name. I'm nearly certain he shares a writing credit for the Beast Wars episode "Code of a Hero" which is well regarded as one of the greatest TF episodes ever. They both seriously understand characterization and making something animated come to life. At the very least, they should have been story editors or something on it. Their creative input would have kept the film on track.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:09 a.m. CST
decades, beginning in WWII like you say. The next would be the 60s/70s and then modern times from Cold War to the present. To show how American idealism and culture has changed over time and become more cynical and paranoid. With the overarching theme being that Cap does not succumb to this although he is tempted to, he stays focused on the ideals, not the failures to live up to them. Basically, he comes full circle. **** You have to remember, though, Marvel promptly wrote a Cap story that brought up the Dresden bombing after the 9/11 attacks, so I am holding out for nothing less than a whiny hand-wringer like the post-9/11 Marvel Cap. I really dislike the Ultimate Cap because he's quite mean.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:13 a.m. CST
Come to earth looking for a new source of energy-energon the cube is just the way they process (or convert) the energy to. how did it become the magic spark stealing device in which there is no need for. Masters of the universe was not this bad like I said before at least Langella was good. Oh my God what if they get Langella for Megs that would suck nuts, BTW did you guys read about the New Thundercats its as fucked as this movie.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:15 a.m. CST
I'd love to see that. I keep hearing rumors that a trilogy is planned when Cap finally comes to the screen and that'd be a great way to do it. Movies set in the past tend to do quite well when done right, I'd suspect a series of Cap movies would be great. I'd always hoped that they'd do the Man Without a Country storyline from the 90s, as that was some of the best writing I'd ever seen in a comic. I actually enjoy Ultimate Cap for his dickheadedness. His attitude makes sense to me as he's only barely woken up from being frozen and hasn't had time to adjust from the constant WW2 battling mentality he was frozen with. I've always felt he's so cold and detached from seeing so many people he fought with die in WW2. I think that if the Ultimates series continues long enough, you'll eventually see Cap grow into the same character he is in standard Marvel continuity. It'd make for a neat evolution.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:18 a.m. CST
writing solid war dramas. It's because they don't respect the source material. Most of the stuff on these guys' resumes is fun, but t.v. pop culture fluff of the kind that has largely taken over television and is not very cerebral. But I have been arguing for years that TF is deeper than what people take it for on the surface. And I get laughed at. Shocking, I know. :)
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:18 a.m. CST
the Ultimate Universe is it lets Movie writers get lazy and its too rooted in the world of reality. If i wanted realistice heroes I'd watch Cops or the News for the 15 minute War Update.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST
I haven't heard anything on that in awhile. Now Thundercats, on the other hand, is pretty mindless fantasy fluff.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:21 a.m. CST
Actually, I think that wouldn't be so bad. One of the best parts of MotU was his Skeletor. He had, hands down, the best dialogue of the film and his monologue is delivered amazingly. I'm not sure how he'd do as a voice actor, though, as he used alot of body language to convey emotion as Skeletor and he'd be hampered from that. No matter, I could seriously dig Langella voicing someone. It'd be like Orson Welles in the original TF movie as Unicron. Anyway, it seems like one of the things that's starting to doom this movie is that they're trying to overcomplicate it. The basic war between Autobot and Decepticon wasn't good enough, so we throw in a McGuffin. Having Prime and Megs be two rival commanders with differing ideals, but yet respect each other, isn't enough, so we make them brothers. Even the designs seem to have that problem: many people I've shown them to agree that they're too busy and all over the place. It doesn't need to be that complex! You want complexity? How about giving the TFs some awesome, near inspiring dialogue? I highly doubt we'll hear Prime say anything even half as cool as " Megatron must be stopped... no matter the cost".
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:22 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
The Script Fairy just visited my house and left a nice PDF file under my pillow, and amazingly the Fairy moved like a stealthy ninja and came and went undetected. Thank you Script Fairy!
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST
the wrong side of the bed do you feel morally compromised? :) I guess it is not Cap to me unless he is a nice guy. Tough, but nice. I remember Cap back when he used to smile and have friends and stuff.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:23 a.m. CST
I can totally agree with that. I demand a little 'unreality' in my comics, dammit! And movies, for that matter...
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:24 a.m. CST
You will curse my name when you open that file and read!
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST
To really see the analogies when i watched as a Kid I think I tuned in more for Prime then anything else I was the kind of kid that rooted for the villian most of the time but prime had this way about him. You could see his ideals and would never Compramise his integrity. He would fight megatron even if he knew he was going to cheat One on One. I think the main reason I resented Rodimus was it was his fault. I think most cartoon were just fun for me but i felt a kinship towards transformers which in my mind had the best adaptation to big screen already.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST
and no one has it. All I remember is that the movie sucked except for Langella's Skeletor and Evil Lynn. I was really pissed about Teela.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST
grouchy as hell? Yup. Oh no, I understand and agree with you, Cap is at his best when he's the quintessential leader of men, the veritable John Wayne of the Marvel Universe. Hey, and there's the connection to TF, eh? ;) No, no, I'm just saying that, in the long run, I can accept and understand Cap being a dick right now if he ends up growing into the Cap I know and like. Now, if he stays a dick forever, well, that's where the problems start. I love character evolution, especially when an otherwise unlikeable, near hard ass, character grows into a character that you cheer for. Like it or hate it, it was one of the things the old Babylon 5 tv show did amazingly well. I love creators and writers who are willing to breathe an extra bit of life into a character by making them grow over time. Too often, especially in TV and comics, it seems that people are afraid to do that and instead choose to only think of the current episode/issue they're working on.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:30 a.m. CST
He has no real personality, except a generic stoicness. Ironhide has a couple of funny lines, but you never really get to know the TFs. One thing that I like about the TMNT movie when I rewatched it recently (and it is a pretty well-made film from a story structure standpoint) was that you really did get to know all of the characters.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:32 a.m. CST
I had that problem for the longest time before I got my 'flix account. 'course, immediately after I rented it from there I found it at a used DvD store for $5. Weird how that shit happens.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST
He also tried to bed another man's wife (Jan).
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST
I agree totally. Now there was a movie that adapted the property it was based off and did a pretty damn good job of it. It's a really weird mix between the comic and cartoon TMNT, which is kind of cool. I love Casey Jones and Raphael in that flick, so absolutely classic stuff. Actually, the interaction between all the Turtles was great and definitely well done. I hope the new animated film ends up being half as good.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST
How much you wanna bet this is one of Bumblebee's lines, uttered through radio, in Johnny 5's voice?
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST
I have been thinking of trying Netflix. It's just that I rent movies very sporatically so I wasn't sure it made a lot of sense.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST
were I Cap, I'd have banged her too. Yeah, sadly you're probably right and Ultimate Cap will continue to be a dick. I can always hold out hope though, can't I? =)
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:38 a.m. CST
I finally got that "Christine" crack from like 30 TBs ago. That's some funny shit. What would be even funnier would be seeing Bumblebee get jealous when he sees Sam hanging out with some chick at school and trying to run her over in a weird homorobo rage. Maybe while playing "It's Raining Men" over his speakers...
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Nah just kidding, I don't care how bad the script is, it was really cool of you to send me the thing so quickly.....As for a Cap movie, have him wake up in the 60s and kick all of the hippy's asses, and then have him kill John Kerry right there on the steps of the Capital Building right after he threw his ribbons away. Now that would be a fucking cool movie!
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST
Imagine if Transformers had battle scenes similar to those in Saving Private Ryan? Imagine the movie beginning on Cybertron as the Autobots attempt to storm a Decepticon stronghold. Untold numbers of unknown Autobots get blown to pieces left and right around Optimus and Ironhide. They wipe the liquid energon (or oil, whatever) which has splattered on their faces as they press on. Ratchet races around frantically, trying to save those Autobots who are still functioning. Now THAT would be a script.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:55 a.m. CST
with the Autobots fleeing Cybertron to regroup after a skirmish to resupply and the Decepticons pursuing them into space and damaging their ship which then crash lands on Earth. TF is one giant war movie. Once they bring their war to Earth, then they move to stealth skirmishes since they have limited resources and soldiers.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:59 a.m. CST
if there are any souls out there that could send a copy of that pdf to email@example.com i would appreciate it. I really helps testing the old gag reflex.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST
are in Beast Wars. I know, I know, many people hate it, but hear me out. I absolutely couldn't stand it when I first caught a couple of episodes, but later after watching through a whole bunch of them I realized just how good the story they were trying to tell was. Second and third seasons were absolutely amazing, with so many homages back to G1. The coolest thing was that so many of the episodes were geared towards adults with some very intense themes of life and death explored, and with so many references that only someone who'd watched the originals would catch. It also has some of the best dialogue I've ever heard onscreen. You could tell it was a series made for fans by fans.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:07 a.m. CST
just watch transformers the movie one the best Animated battle sequence of all time.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST
stories were well-crafted without a doubt. I just don't prefer the animation style. And I don't like Optimus being a Gorilla or the prehistoric setting. As much as I liked the Cybertron stories to get a glimpse of their homeworld, I still prefer them stuck on Earth with the humans caught in between.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:10 a.m. CST
Beast wars was Highly underated I thing because the first season the animation looked like ass and no one could get past that but your right. My only problem was Megatron was corny kind of Snidely-Whiplash-like in nature. and Primal was not Prime.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST
The assault on Autobot city, I assume? That whole sequence rocks, from the moment the Deceps attack the shuttle to Prime's final blow knocking Megs off the ledge. Of course, the final sequence against Unicron was great too, including the battle between Galvatron and Hot Rod.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST
To script master who delivers them with great speed and stealth, now and reminisce about the twin sons united under the dynasty of the primes.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:15 a.m. CST
Megs in Beast Wars always reminded me of Shere Kahn from the Talespin cartoon. They gave him some serious personality, though, like when he'd talk to the T-Rex head on his hand. Great stuff. That and the interaction between Rattrap and Dinobot were awesome. But yeah, the original season's animation was pretty awful. Thankfully it got better over the later seasons. Ravage's appearance in season 2 was great. And the "Possession" episode with Starscream was freakin' great. Highly underrated, I'll agree.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:19 a.m. CST
Yeah, right after I sent that it occurred to me that it would make more sense for it to start with the Autobots defending a stronghold, rather than storming one. They'd be forced to pull back as their fuel supplies dry up. OP receives a report on their dwindling energy reserves and decides to personally head a mission to find a new source. The movie should be an adaptation, more or less, of episodes 1-3... rather than rewriting history... which the license seems insistant on doing to death every few years.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:22 a.m. CST
You've just written a better intro sequence than a team of Hollywood writers. How does it feel?
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:24 a.m. CST
I wrote better Transformers stories than these hacks when I was in GRADE SCHOOL. lol
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:27 a.m. CST
Prime and Megatron fought like men. Menbots, I mean. That's the difference between the two series. Kind of like Star Trek and ST:TNG.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:29 a.m. CST
how simple it would be to adapt Transformers. Even if you wanted to rewrite history, or blend in characters outside of G1, you could still do it so faithfully to the original concept. Hell, Hasbro/Takara intermixed tons of characters in the storyline for Transformers: Universe and did a great job of it. It's easy so long as you keep the simple basics of the story and characters right. Seeing how far off track they are really surprises me more than anything else, even though I know it shouldn't.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST
So... which version of Trek wrestled on the floor like girls? You're not dissing the patented Kirk karate chop are you? ;)
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:32 a.m. CST
Is that the old '80's cartoon came up with FAR better plots. They didn't have to use a mcguffin and the situations were far more tense. Examples: Megatron uses the spacebridge to teleport Cybertron within Earth orbit. He then begins to collect energy created by the gravitational forces colliding, completely oblivious to the ruined wasteland Earth would become as a result. Another: Starscream kidnaps a scientist who's discovered a new form of energy. With a few tweaks, Starscream causes it to build in power exponentially, unconcerned with the fact that this will destroy Earth and his Decepticon comrades - he plans to be a safe distance away on Cybertron, collecting the energy resulting from the explosion. Now compare these to this shitfest which has been posted. A mystical energon cube got dropped in space somehow, for some reason, and bounces its way to Earth. Now the Decepticons and Autobots scattered across the galaxy race to our planet in a cosmic game of capture the flag. Good God....
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST
is dismissed because it was a comic book, cartoon, etc. Transformers is 1,000 more Shakespearian than Alias. The Gargoyles cartoon for the first two seasons was superior to most t.v. on at that time, etc.*****My point is that Optimus Prime is to Rodimus what James T. Kirk is to that wimp Picard.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:39 a.m. CST
is still my favorite set of TF episodes from G1. The best part? Megatron forces Prime to be the one to throw the final switch, bringing Cybertron to Earth and possibly dooming the planet the Autobots have been protecting from the Decepticons. "Fire in the Sky", the intro episode for Jetfire, was another piece of great writing building a great deal of history for Starscream and Jetfire, which would end up coming into play later in the series. The episode with Omega Supreme and the Constructicons was another example of well written cartoons. It continued into the third season, many of the episodes hit on subjects and themes that were pretty highbrow for a children's cartoon. Third season has a great episode where Rodimus Prime doubts his ability to lead the Autobots, and does a nice job of showing how tough it is to shoulder responsibility. Good stuff.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:39 a.m. CST
about simply usless human characters, you have the Autobots being chased by the Decepticons to Earth, stranded. Reactivated years later by a seismic event, which triggers their adaptation. The Decepticons seek to immediately acquire resources and get back to Cybertron, the Autobots choose to forgo their own immediate needs to protect the human inhabitants. Some of the humans attempt to cut deals with the Decepticons, make the mistake of trying to manipulate them, get used as pawns, etc.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:45 a.m. CST
Oh, man, now there's another great cartoon: Gargoyles. Wow, that cartoon was pretty damned intense. Comics and cartoons have this bad stigma surrounding them because they're 'drawings' and 'aimed at kids'. People never realize just how mature some of the themes explored in both mediums are. There's other cartoons out there that hit just as hard and many comics as well. The entire last year or so in DC Comics since Identity Crisis deals with some pretty damned mature themes. Interestingly enough, comics ( mainly in the form of graphic novels ) are slowly becoming more accepted as a series form of storytelling. Outside the US, cartoons already have that acceptance, but I wonder how long, or even if, the case will ever be the same here.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST
the characterization. The backstabbing of Starscream, Megatron's hubris and elitism, Prime's steadfast determination and kindness, Bumblebee's loyalty, Mirage's vanity, Ironhide's crankiness, etc.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:49 a.m. CST
Don't forget, this is a MICHAEL BAY picture. He would NEVER allow anything so good on the screen.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST
well animated. The quality was uneven later on and then just plain bad in the last season. The storyline also fell apart in the last season. But some of those early stories were really great observations about human nature. Very mature and thoughtful stuff. Very Shakespearian, which of course, they more than tipped their hat to by adding almost the entire cast of a Midsummer Night's Dream later on.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:53 a.m. CST
They did a great job of giving each character personality. Soundwave was devoted and loyal to Megatron, as was Shockwave, but each showed it differently. My favorite? I always loved the Aerialbot, Silverbolt, who was afraid of heights. That was a touch of genius, and explained in an interesting way. All the characters were like that, though! Not a single character, with perhaps the sole exception of Reflector, was a cardboard cut out. The writers did an amazing job of making each unique and special. It's why the original characters are still so beloved by fans to this day, and why they continue to rerelease the G1 characters in toys and comics.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:54 a.m. CST
Brawn's... um... brawniness. lol Cliffjumper's hotheaded enthusiasm. Wheeljack's geekiness. Gears was cranky -- Ironhide was more like... gung ho.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST
that Gargoyles was like a bunker for all the ST:TNG refugees to hide in. I swear the entire cast made of TNG made an appearance throughout the run of Gargoyles...
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:58 a.m. CST
how very different Thundercracker and Skywarp were to Starscream. I used to love how Skywarp would always refer to Starscream as "That geek Starscream". It always seemed like the rest of the Seekers couldn't stand their 'leader'. Heck, even the freakin' Dinobots had personalities, and they went so far as to have Megatron turn their personality flaws against them!
Aug. 22, 2006, 2 a.m. CST
made me think of Circuit Breaker. I can't decide if that would be an interesting character to adapt for film, simply because she could get in over her head and then try to wipe them all out. I always picture different governments trying to cut deals with the TF and getting shafted by the Decepticons and then alternately screwing over the Autobots.
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST
As was Frakes as Xanatos. There were quite a number of minor celebrities who did voices on that show. Sheena Easton. Clancy Brown. Laura San Giacomo. John Rhys-Davies. Tim Curry. Peter Scolari. There were rumors for awhile of a live action Gargoyles film.
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST
in a sequel or something. I'd rather see the first movie be nearly 100% Transformer though, not this freakin' 50/50 TF/Human shit we're getting now.
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:10 a.m. CST
involvement to that degree now. It needs to establish the characters and the nature of their war and how the terms have changed for the Autobots on Earth.
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST
I always loved Dorn as Coldstone. Perfect choice. Frakes was awesome too, and another great choice. I always forget that Curry did Gargoyles, but it really shouldn't surprise me, that guy's everywhere!
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST
Sad, but true. Nice chatting with you. Goodnight!
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:38 a.m. CST
If a sole amateur animator can do THIS, why in the HELL can't Bay even come close?! Have a team clean this up, add some more detailed textures to their skins and boom - good movie. There's no excuse. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUwjYPpmJWc
Aug. 22, 2006, 3:11 a.m. CST
Alien Vs Gundam?
Aug. 22, 2006, 3:19 a.m. CST
Where the hell is Soundwave?
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:23 a.m. CST
You all surprise me. How many iterations of this franchise have their been? Remind me..i'm thinking you have the original stuff, Beast Wars, Energon, Armada and isn't there a new one coming soon which changes the whole backstory again. What i can't figure out is how you can lovingly embrace all these various versions of Transformers, which in each incarnation tell a different story and in which the characters bear absolutely NO resemblance to the originals, yet here you all are complaining that someone is doing a live action movie that doesn't look like the old stuff? I mean really, why can't you just see it as yet another spin on the TF universe? I don't see you boycotting all the other versions, this is just complaining for the sake of complaining.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:49 a.m. CST
because most of it too strayed too far from a winning formula............the majority of TF fans dont embrace them........G1 is by far still the most popular and iconic.......................................... and as for the horrid designs above?........why would anyone want to move further away from the proven G1 designs (seeing how the later iterations were nowhere nearly as liked)............there will only be one iconic Prime, and I can bet that one leaked above will not become it........make ten sequels, and THIS will still look cooler to most people on the planet.........http://home.socal.rr.com/renesis/img/optimus_prime_004.jpg
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:04 a.m. CST
For all of us that fear this flick is gonna suck, How about we all round up or chip in some money, then pay one of these fanmade transformer videos to remake the original transformers movie as CGI the way it should be done. Voices should dubbed over. The earth and human parts are the only parts that require real video shot footage. I think if can convince someone to do it at a fair cost to them, it can be done before the new one comes out. We can label it as fan film, not to make money of course, just for the pure want to see bumblebee, megatron, and starscream as they should be. I'm willing to pay towards that project. What do you guys think?
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST
Jesus just reveal that JarJar is a cast member!! GAWD it's like this is a bad dream.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:06 a.m. CST
I mean it could be as a bad as what they're doing to my beloved Thundercats. DAMN YOU WARNER BROS.!!!
Aug. 22, 2006, 9 a.m. CST
firstname.lastname@example.org I mean, it can't be THAT bad, can it?
Aug. 22, 2006, 9:26 a.m. CST
I read some of the above posts that were positively spinning that awful fucking Beast Machines shit. I took it upon myself to check some of the TF related websites and oddly they all have coverage of other TF versions. I just can't understand how someone above can complain that Prime doesn't look like a big red truck no more and at the same time, cajole about Beast Wars in which Prime was a friggin' monkey....
Aug. 22, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST
For posting that video. It shows EXACTLY why you can't animate something that is ultimately made of basic form polygons. Metal does not bend like flesh, you cannot give it organic characteristics and that is why that clip is full of clipping issues; even ILM couldn't get around that. If the models had rigid forms like that they simply wouldnt be able to walk; hence the skeletons you all love to hate. It's not just a case of 'cleaning up the textures', please don't try to simplify a process you simply have no clue about. This has never been a question of 'reality' more an issue of what is and isn't possible and robots that look like g1 characters that transform properly just aren't possible.
Aug. 22, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST
Anyone who's ever owned a G1 Transformer knows that the cartoon, and what actually works in the real world don't exactly match. I personally am pretty excited, the movie will have what it promised to have: 20ft freakin robots blowing up buildings.
Aug. 22, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST
This movie COULD have paid a lot of respect to the Gen 1 characters AAANNNDDD had giant 20 foot robots blowing shit up. Of course they couldn't look exactly like the cartoons but we SHOULD have been able to look at the characters and say "Oh cool, that's Starscream! Cool, that's Jazz! I can TELL!" The PROBLEM is *practically* everybody could have been happy, instead the only people that are really pleased with what's happening are the one's who don't care if this movie is Gen 1 related or not.
Aug. 22, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST
Who knew that words could actually produce an odor? WHEW!
Aug. 22, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST
Sorry, you lose that argument. While the names were similar, the two characters are entirely different. Same with Megatron and every other character in Beast Wars with the sole exceptions of Starscream and Ravage. Have you actually watched all of Beast Wars? Wait, sorry, rhetorical question, of course you hadn't, or you would have known the above facts. They never were meant to be the original characters, but sadly people who only watched one or two episodes automatically concluded that. Quite sad, as it was a very good series. And for the record, I openly embrace every iteration of Transformers, even the crappy subpar fullblown anime cartoons, because they still maintain the basic stylings and characterizations that have always existed in the Transformers universe. The problems I and others have with these TF:tM designs we're seeing is that they totally lack the immediately recognizable Transformers stylings, and worse the script doesn't capture the characterizations. With the sole exception of Prime, were you to show those designs to most people they would not guess they were Transformers, the style is closer to Bionicle or perhaps some manga/anime. One of the biggest concerns with the design from a fan standpoint is that most of them lack any of the visible 'vehicle' parts that have been a TF tradition since the begining. You could nearly always tell a TF character's alt mode when looking at the robot form, maybe not the exact make of car, plane, whatever, but you could easily see it was a car. Doesn't mean they have to be boxy, not all TF designs over the years are boxy and clunky, it just means that, for example, Bumblebee should plainly have a recognizable car hood on it's chest, or car doors attached to it's shoulders. Physical design wise, that's the only real gripe I have: they're not recognizably Transformers.
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST
by R.C. the "Wise"
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST
I was posing a question so i've hardly lost anything. My own kids watch the newer transformers stuff on the tv and i've heard some of the old names mentioned yet the characters look no where near the old stuff, does megatron still turn into a gun or at least resemble a gun? I don't think he does. The question i was posing to you, a purist, was exactly why are the changes in one iteration more acceptable than the others. Most of the complaints on here are down to the robots not looking like their original counterparts and more importantly, not transforming into the same vehicles. Sorry, but i can't see what the difference is there.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST
Funny seeing TheAllSeeingEye here. They don't like free speech on their site, and you'll have your account disabled if you criticize the movie. Sounds like panic mode to me, Don and the Stooges scrambling because the fans are hating right now and they have to squash the rebellion. They failed, and it will reflect at the box office. Damn, this franchise could have been so simple.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST
after G1. Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Card Captor Transformers being the most offensive, etc. Several of the toy lines were quite crappy as well. G1 all the way.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST
anime because metal doesn't bend? Yeaaaahhhh.....
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST
me what is going on with Thundercats?
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:37 p.m. CST
Watch out, DM may try to buddy up to Harry and get you banned. No one said metal had to bend, they just could have respected character designs. Just wait until you guys see Megatron, I guarantee it will make the Optimus and Starscream debates seem like a civil walk in the park.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST
exactly what you are talking about. Polygon shapes can't walk or bend and look organic. So they designed them organically because it's easier to animate. Everyone here knows what you're talking about. They had the same issue with the traditional animation on the cartoon and clearly they cheated realism on any number of occassions. But the biggest cheat of all was GIANT ROBOTS FROM OUTERSPACE, so I think we can take a little cheating.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST
Yeah, that's right. Realism. In a movie about giant robots from the planet Cybertron that transform into vehicles and can morph via nano tech. Yeah, that sounds REAL. It only goes to show that Hollywood is dry as a bone and filled with MOSTLY talented hacks. Another shat upon franchise.
Aug. 22, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST
Oh, I mis-typed. Add a big UN in there before the talented.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST
Just got ripped up, pissed on, and turned into a paper mache (sp?) pinata for a whole new generation of kids and oldster geeks to take whacks at. In short, if you liked the old show, be prepared to weep for its future.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:19 p.m. CST
that was sad Supes as for the cliping and metal not being able to bend what about Robocop what about Nanotechnology your telling me they can transform into crap but cant master bending their jionts.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST
They're called the Transformers, not the Bendies (well, you may as well call them that now). Last I heard, they were machines. You know, gears, motors, servos, etc. Duhr.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST
It sounds like Inuyasha in the City. I don't want to slam anime or anything, but its getting kind of tired. Those Thundercats designs and some of the earlier Rankin Bass animation are outstanding I hate to seem them given this treatment.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST
but my Girl started reading that script last night Now she half the nerd i am but she even thinks its crap. I think 97 pages before we even et to megatron .
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST
It's never really explained how he got to Earth in the first place, except he was chasing the Cosmic Cube and somehow ended up frozen. Really, the whole thing makes no sense. His interaction with Starscream is so brief, there are really no TF characterization or relationships in this movie. It's about humans.
Aug. 22, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST
LOL! What in the world did Don do to deserve such a beating in a public place? Quentin musta smelled something stinky in the room. Oh, shit, DM is from my home town. Perhaps he can get me banned from my favorite music store after I proclaim Audioslave sux balls. He's not involved in the production of their CD's, is he?
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST
Seriously, after those great and wonderful descriptions earlier this week. Stuff like Megatron is a social darwinist. But if he is hardly in the movie then that means these guys are full of crap!! I was really hoping to get a transformers movie that focused on random human characters and the robots looked like they were made in 1890 and had to show all their gears. YES! I am going to be sooo stoked to see this movie. I even prayed to God that Bumblebee look like a fucking anorexic zombie robot (it only makes sense this way). Prayers answered. I said to myself early on "No matter what Michael Bay does I will love." I haven't read the script I just know it will be great. Seriously, you can't judge from one picture it they look good or not. I'm pretty sure Halle Berry has looked like a fat, white trash, bucktoothed midget cow in a picture before. Anyway, just belive me when I say this is the only way it could have been made...half assed, disregarding the history and characterization, and not focused on the robots at all. Michael Bay I hope you get the gout.
Aug. 22, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST
I've never heard or seen anyone wish the gout upon anyone before.
Aug. 22, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST
It's hilarious that you actually think i'm a fucking Don Murphy stooge because i have a positive feeling about the movie AND i like the designs. I'm not the one crying about things not looking like the originals and you're the bunch of fucking first class retards that can't grasp a simple concept as to why that look would be impossible. I'm not going to debate it anymore, i don't work in films, i work on games, but the principles of animation remain the fucking same; trying to teach you monkeys anything has been a totally fruitless excercise. If you're too fucking stupid to understand that two square edges conflict with each other then really you're beyond all hope. Since you're all so clever and clearly know more than the combined talents at ILM i'd like to hear how you'd animate a 3D G1 character. Let's hear how you can make metal behave like something else. Go ahead, prove me wrong. And seriously, the next soft headed bastard that mentions a fucking toy should be shot with shit and hosed off with piss. And why, truth0ne, have you got another ID asJack0Lantern? Are you that low on opinion now you need to speak twice?
Aug. 22, 2006, 3:58 p.m. CST
Why the fuck are you all touting that script you've read as being real? I only mention this because Latinoreview had a script dated the same as the one you mooks here have been tearing to shreds and theirs had Soundwave in the draft plus good dialogue between Megatron and Starscream. Plus Starscream is a fucking F22. Sorry, but i'd rather take the trusted review from a fairly respected site over something that got posted here.
Aug. 22, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST
Damn bunch of walking and talking TIN CANS, I hunger for sweeter meats. Let's go damn you, bring me my "SPIDER-MAN 3" news!!!
Aug. 22, 2006, 4:44 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
I've been animating in 3D for many years, and recently went back to school to get a proper degree for it. I'm in my 3rd year. Guess what genius, I could animate G1 characters with fucking ease. It's all a matter of building a good 3D model, rigging it properly, and creating the proper constraints so you don't get any clipping problems. You can't support your weak argument when we've all seen the "ILM" animation and the white Prime animation. Stop calling yourself an animator and just admit you're only a game tester. Loser.
Aug. 22, 2006, 4:58 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
http://tinyurl.com/rplxa - here's a G1 style Transformer that can ice skate, please try and tell again how it's impossible to animate G1 designs, come on, I dare you. Game tester.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:04 p.m. CST
Did you play the Transformers games on the PS2 did it have this bending metal you are talking about I dont remember much clipping in that game and I've got a perfect remedy for the clipping....are you ready .....Loin cloths.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
As you can see, the fucktards are beside themselves. The only grip I have is with Starscream. Everything else is up to par. So don't worry Bay, I pretty much mirror what the "average" fan is going to think. As for the nit picking nerds, keep them distracted by debating over rather flames should be visible on their arms or not. And I just wacthced the Transformers Movie from the 80's. That was an abomination. Killing Prime, Wheeljack, Prowl, Ironhide, Thundercracker, Skywarp, Starscream, etc. That will fuck the Transformers more then any live action movie will.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:11 p.m. CST
That script was worse then any design and I know you were trying to raise the Ire of true fans with your comment on the movie everyone knows that Skywarp and Thundercraker got reformatted.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:12 p.m. CST
...don't misquote me. That makes me furious. lol If you knew anything about the animation industry, you would know what "clean up" is. I would love to see your reactions to behind-the-scenes footage of successful major motion pictures' CGI before final release. You would be crying out about how horrible and pathetic it looks, and how it just won't work in a theater. It all looks like this in it's earliest draft... it's little more than a storyboard. I'll put it in laymen's terms for you. Get a crew in there to retool & add to the polygons, tweak the animations, add more complex & realistic textures, and you'd have some solid live action Transformers. Only an tool would look at this and think we're saying this - untouched - is what we're expecting onscreen. Do you even realize how many scores of people work on a single CGI character in a film? THIS - what I posted - was done by a single person. What I'm saying is get a full-size crew working on it and it'd work seemlessly... AND it'd be true to the license. Only an utter moron who has never even touched modeling software would believe there are limitations to what CGI can do.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:16 p.m. CST
Are we comin' up on a new AICN record yet?? LOL
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST
I'm the one who posted the script on here. And I like it. So we'll agree to disagree. And last night, when I watched the TF movie, I kept rewinding it to see who Skywarp and Thundercracker were changed to. I think TC turned into Cyclonus, and Skywarp turned into scourge. But I still couldn't tell after that point who was who. And by making the remaining insecticons into sweeps robbed them, as it it did the others, of their personalities that made them kick ass decepticons. Come on Phategod. You know that movie was awesome up until they killed prime, Starscream, and "reformatted". That's like reformatting Luke, Leia & Han, and still try to call it Starwars.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:35 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
So you think reformatting Luke, Han, & Leia is a bad idea but you have no problem with them "reformatting" the Transformers in terms of both story and appearance? Christ man, you got Autobots in this script suggesting they kill humans, and Prime has to tell them otherwise.
Aug. 22, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST
they had like one episode and hardly any screen time Skywarp and thundercraker never had a episode that showed any special talent or deepness I think the reformatting of both was great for there character scourge got possessed by starscream, and tried to steal the matrix, And cyclonus was totally badass.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:03 p.m. CST
Wait a minute. I never said that I "didn't" have a problem with them reformating the appearence of the G-1 characters. I've posted before that I HATED the new Starscream. Hated the fact that Devastator was reduced to a Tank. And I hate the fact that Soundwave wasn't in the movie(Until I read the script). The point of my post was, the G-1 Transformers were already runined with that deplorable Movie. That killed off all of my favorite characters. So Bay can't fuck it up more then the original production house did.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST
Google it and you will see the designs are a regression. You mean to tell me with the millions upon million of dollars and that they couldn't design something more exciting? A robot that looks like a bug that has animal characteristics doesn't sound very alien to me. It's complete and utter nonsense.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:14 p.m. CST
If i come off a little defensive but your Opinion on the Original movie is yours and one I dont think is shared by most here I think that movie was ahead of it's time in content and character, Transformers had the balls to kill its star and challenge the norm, go against the grain of youre BS hollywood ending. GI joe played thereselves by not killing duke. TTM was A highlight in american 2D animation.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
So wait, you're not okay with the appearance changes but you are okay with the script changes? I just read it last night and I gotta tell ya I found the changes disturbing. No Ark, no Teletran 1, no Matrix of Leadership, Autobots that are okay will killing people (They will feel no pain.), Megatron sleeping in Antartica, Energon Cube that convenientely turns into a football for Sammy to run around with, a super hot chick with a dark past, highschool cliches out the ass, no character development of the robots at all, 5 minutes of moving Megatron in the whole movie, Prime and Mega are brothers???, and loads of corny dialogue that has never been spoken in real life ever. There are some things to like, but this isn't Transformers. TINO all the way.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST
hey...they're far more superior than humans, we're like cockroaches too 'em. considering it doesn't mean they're gonna do it. They had just arrived here on earth when Jazz (was it jazz? i'm not sure) suggested it. What counts is, optimus stopped them and 'educated' them. A race that has no qualms in killing their own race, won't have qualms about killing cockroaches! that's just part of their learning process. the important thing is, they refrained from doing so, while the decepticons, if given the chance, would do it in the blink of an eye, speaks volumes about the autobots' characters.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST
of a script?
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST
That script is not the final the draft. There's has been lots of changes. For instance, more dialogue between the Bots & Cons. Bumble Bee will now speak in the Movie (Just to name a few). And It doesn't bug me to much that Meg and Prime are brothers. I think the Idea is ghey, but I don't think that will effect the confrantational relationship between Megs and Prime. Nor did they dwell on that plotline. As for the Ironhide saying "Should I nuetralize the humans" "They won't feel anything" I can't believe you MISSED THAT METAPHOR. That's the same thing we say as Humans when we're approaching lifeforms lower on the evolutionary chain.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:34 p.m. CST
nope, i still think the script sucks...but i have to admit,i kinda get the vibe surrounding that "killing people" stuff
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:38 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
I would love to read a newer draft then, but the one I read was just from February so it's not that old. About this metaphor for lower lifeforms, the heroic Autobots have never had to be reminded that they shouldn't vaporize people, and that is indefensible. Hopefully they took that shit out, because that's just wrong.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:44 p.m. CST
Cranky then anything else i just want to hear him say something like "Aww kiss my lugnuts"
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:45 p.m. CST
the heroic Autobots have never had to be reminded that they shouldn't vaporize people...thats true, in the cartoon! according to the movie this is the first time they've encountered humans...so, i still think its justifiable, to harbor thoughts like that.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST
They encounter humans on the Toon I beleive was on a oil rig and they where saving there butts so whats the DIF
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST
And Michael Bay said the only full copy that exists is the one on his computer. And Flux explained the "neutralize the humans" thing perfectly. I work for a fortune 500 company. And I gave every person who grew up in the 80's a copy of that script. And everyone, and I MEAN EVERYONE dug the fucking script AND THEY'RE HYPED MORE THEN EVER TO SEE THIS MOVIE. Now, are they fanboi nerds like us who know every minute detail? No.. But that's the target audience, not us I'm afraid. If so, the movie would of been a reincarnation of the 80's cartoon. But unfortunately it's not:( Honestly, I think my office is a microcosim as to how the "General Public" will react to this movie. And everyone around here is Hyped for it, after reading the script.
Aug. 22, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST
i'm not on anybody's payroll here, and i'm not particularly crazy about the script. i think it has its weaknesses, and i wish they would fix it. so me defending their his whole "ironhide rubbin off people" episode is me trying to be as ojective as possible. the point is, phategod, that the toon was a toon for 7 yr olds! they wouldn't show autobots considering mass murder! but the movie we have here is a MOVIE. some adult overtones like that won't hurt...
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:14 p.m. CST
I wont tear this script a new one for that one instance but one thing. "Twin sons united under the Dynasty of the primes" unforfuckingivable.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:16 p.m. CST
I onl have one ident, AllSeeingEye. No need to hide. Fan TF animations blow away the design concepts for this new movie, plain and simple. I will also reiterate that if you all were upset by Prime and Starscream, just wait til you get a gander at Megatron. The internet is going to crack the day they release that pic. And mark this post: If I'm wrong, and the movie rocks, and all the leaks were mostly bogus (especially Starscream), I'll go so far as to post a gushing apology to Don Murphy and his geek squad about how wrong I was and how Michael Bay is the greatest directors since, well, who the hell cares. I'd post it on his site, but they disabled my account. In the meantime, they're making a crap movie. Thank you for your ime.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST
yep...that was pretty bad....hey theallseeingeye! did harry ban u or what?
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST
It may have been tweaked at this point. The revised version may reside solely on Bay's computer. But if it's ANYTHING like what I read last night, it's a complete misfire. Whole chunks of the script will have to be rewritten, the human involvement will need to be cut by half, the racial stereotypes ejected, and the robots given real backstory and characterizations to even APPROACH decent.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST
It's a joke taken to an extreme so you wonder if Prime is seriously chastizing Ironhide. But Prime immediately steps up to protect the humans and Bumblebee is assigned to protect Spike.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST
It's about on the level of Armageddon in terms of emotional maturity and intelligent themes.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:28 p.m. CST
I stopped reading it after a good skim. Wasn't a fabulous read by any means, but I also stopped as to not ruin anymore of what this ruined movie will be. Kinda happy I got kicked from DM's site, I'd hate to be forced into converting to an apologist like all the other Stooges, "Actually, the more I look at Starscream, the more I like him because it's more realistic and makes more sense." Yah.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST
no meaning whatsoever attached to it? Hollywood does this in films all the time - everyone has to be conveniently related to one another, six degrees of separation style. It irked me in the script how the guys in Qatar end up in the finale. Ridiculous. By the way, is Megs still out of pocket for 3/4 of the film? Some real character building moments for your main villain, with him in stasis the whole time. Not.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST
script. That's one of the main reasons it's so awful. They want to make you think the Autobots, being aliens, might be slightly dangerous or have different morals, but it is never followed through on, played for a laugh, and then skimmed right over.
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST
Oh my GOD! a "not" joke! but i'll have to agree with you on that...having megs appear only for the big finale sucks big time...
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:55 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
I think the audience would laugh at the idea of Sam's parents getting blasted, but I don't think Ironhide is joking, they mention his arm turning into a missile launcher, and then Prime has to address him twice. I think he was serious, and it's shit like this that tells me these guys don't get the Autobots or TF at all. It would be like having Superman knock some chick up and then become a dead beat Dad.....oh wait.....
Aug. 22, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Geez, having him only in the finale is nothing compared to the fact that they kill all but 1 Decepticon by the end. How do you kill Megatron in the first fucking movie?
Aug. 22, 2006, 8 p.m. CST
This is a real life rendition of an Alien species making first contact with Humans. In the real Universe, there's no lifeform that I know of, that's completely perfect and moral. In any given situation.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST
uh oh.... I think you've just started the whole real life vs. "its the Fuckin Transformers" debate all over again :)
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:13 p.m. CST
You know, in reading the script - that abomination that does nothing to respect the characters of the property and takes far too long to really move the story along (despite it's quick clip, which I found to be a strange paradox) - it never came off to me that Prime and Megatron were literal brothers. It seemed to me that they were more two close friends who were both in line to become the next Prime. That they were students on that path and Megatron got blinded by power. The whole "brother" thing was that ol' chestnut unity-of-species thing. I'm not defending the script. It's just everyone seems to be taking this Prime/Megatron brothers thing a bit far.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:18 p.m. CST
Wait. Are you telling us you've read an updated version of the script you pointed out to us as proof that this movie was going to be good? Why would you have us look at a version of the script that sucks as a means to bolster the movie then tell us you've seen one that is significantly better? That doesn't make much sense to me.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:19 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
You guys think the Autobots would care so little for our species when their own species has been wiped out by genocide? Come on!! Look at the specific situation as it is written, Ironhide wants to kill some humans that are doing nothing more than inconveniencing them, a complete non-threat. That would be like some Jews that survived Auschwitz shooting the paper boy because he broke their lawn gnome with an errant toss. I would expect the GOOD GUY aliens, on the brink of annihilation, would value life a lot more than I'm seeing here.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST
inconveniencing? humans have the potetntial too do some serious damage. ironhide probably percieved the witwickys of being a far larger threat than they actually were...and playhouse, that does make sense, and it would actually do the story more good if they played that angle.
Aug. 22, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST
and the aicn gods are still absent from this talkback...am i the only one that thinks they're putting extra effort into being discreet about this project...why? we want to know what you think about the pics and the script quint...or harry...or mori
Aug. 22, 2006, 9:12 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Here's the scene- IRONHIDE - Why are we hiding? RATCHET - Be quiet! IRONHIDE - But...why are we hiding? JAZZ - The boy's spawners will become alarmed. *Ironhide's arm transforms into a MISSILE TURRET, aiming at the attic window.* IRONHIDE - I can neutralize them. OPTIMUS - We do not harm humans. IRONHIDE - They will feel no pain. OPTIMUS - IRONHIDE. .....Anyway, there's the whole scene in question, and Ironhide clearly knows they are not a threat. In fact, all of the Autobots have downloaded the entire internet so they understand who we are and our culture, this is made very clear earlier on. They even know what eBay is! So I go back to my earlier point, that the GOOD GUYS would not be having a discussion about killing Sam's parents, this scene is just fucking wrong. Speaking of fucking wrong, I wonder what the Autobots thought about goatse.cx when they got there?
Aug. 22, 2006, 9:37 p.m. CST
but that scene actually didn't bother me...the one that ticked me off the most was bumblebee's oil cap in his crotch popping off and spraying the secret agent guy with oil...now that was LOW!
Aug. 22, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST
Cuz they know that the script, the character design, Michael Bay, and Don Murphy are the bain of cinema. They now have careers in hollywood and probably don't want to piss off the wrong people. This film is fucked, but this is bittersweet because this abomination will bomb in theaters, but we probably won't ever see another Transformers, which might be a good thing if they don't do it right.
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:01 a.m. CST
a tasteless joke. I've heard humor structured this way 1,000 times. It's meant to be funny, trust me.
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST
Sounds like they tossed Kup's brain in a Bionicle body.
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:03 a.m. CST
Still no word on this fancy "new" script and if the Energon Cube MacGuffin is still pointlessly included. By the way, I no longer believe any of the people involved have actually seen, much less LIKED, the cartoon.
Aug. 23, 2006, 1:16 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
The stupid glasses start us off on our wonderous romp. I hope the new script has Sam drop the glasses so they have to go dig up Grandpa and get the map off of his dried up old retinas.
Aug. 23, 2006, 3:42 a.m. CST
from the aicn crew. Strange...
Aug. 23, 2006, 3:44 a.m. CST
The thought of Ironhide wanting to kill humans makes me sick. It's not the Ironhide I grew up with. These aren't the Transformers I know. This whole project is a testament to the death of Hollywood and it's inability to create and dream.
Aug. 23, 2006, 4:06 a.m. CST
If you want, I could go back and count how many times he "died" on the show. lol Off the top of my head, the Autobots all thought he died in episode 3 (the last part of the pilot), there was the one where the Dinobots all the Decepticons into a lava-filled crevice, and I think the Decepticons were thought to be dead at the end of Cybertron-transported-to-Earth series. So yeah... he could be immobilized, sinking to the ocean floor with a nuclear bomb strapped to his neck, about to explode, but he'd survive somehow... like Batman. lol I seem to recall Soundwave once stating that it's impossible to destroy Megatron (in reaction to Starscream saying he's dead.)
Aug. 23, 2006, 4:07 a.m. CST
"...where the Dinobots FORCED all the Decepticons..."
Aug. 23, 2006, 5:29 a.m. CST
Next time you want to fucking pick an argument with someone please take time to read his fucking posts. The citroen advert that you've just linked to is exactly what i've said the movie will ultimately look like; you are welcome to suck my dick at anytime. My point has been, repeatedly, that you cannot have a movie where the characters look like ones from the cartoon and if you think that the citroen ad is a clone of a fucking G1 cartoon character then you are having a luagh. By the way Nutsack, why not post your G1 animation for all of us to see; i could do with a good laugh. Mark, As for playing a PS2 transformers game; no i haven't, but the fact is, (and i've said this also), you get alot more leeway when making a game than you do with a movie . Infact, you can't have anything half as detailed as a fucking movie.
Aug. 23, 2006, 5:32 a.m. CST
How can you ask what my reation is to a behind the scenes extra featuring rough animation and models when you are sat here making assumptions on the very same thing???? My initial post was to wait until you see more before passing fucking judgment.
Aug. 23, 2006, 5:45 a.m. CST
"...My point has been, repeatedly, that you cannot have a movie where the characters look like ones from the cartoon ..." Our point has been that if the characters don't look and act EXACTLY the way they are supposed to look and act like... we won't show up to the theater to watch this film. Period. Therefore it will tank. No sales, no sequel, nothing. If you make us happy, you'll reap a billion. Piss us off, and this movie will barely break even. It's that simple. "Superman Returns" is a super failure. Why? They pissed us off. I'm looking at that picture of Optimus Prime and the only way I know it's optimus is because his name is beside the picture. I have to take your word for it that it's him. Otherwise I wouldn't recognize him. When I read that Ironhide is thinking of killing humans, I'm livid. Because that means the writers don't know him either. Bottom line, insult us all you want, we are not watching this crap.
Aug. 23, 2006, 6 a.m. CST
Don't watch this crap. No one is breaking your arm to get you into the theatre. Don't fucking delude yourself into thinking, for one second, that this movies success rests solely on the shoulders of the hardcore transformers nuts out there. There are plenty of people who were fans of the original series who will go and enjoy it, there are plenty of kids who will go out and enjoy it. When i said earlier this reminded me of the whole Star Wars prequel thing that raged on; if i remember rightly the 'fans' who didn't like it also, laughably, predicted the movies would tank when they withdrew their support. Reality check - the opinions of 800 or so nerds is insignificant. If you want the 80's cartoon they're all on DVD, as is the Movie. This isn't the 80's, this isn't a cartoon and it's not being made just for you. You would think that, as a fan, you'd be prepared to see what the final designs look like instead of making assumptions on toy desings..oh wait, you put MORE value on the actual toys don't you? Silly me.
Aug. 23, 2006, 6:10 a.m. CST
This movie isn't going to tank because the radical Transformers fundamentalists say it will. The Starwars Prequels as you noted is a good example. The hardcore fans like me hated the prequels. But that didn't stop the other 90% of the population from liking it. As I stated earlier, all the "normal" people I've shown the script to, started to read it, couldn't put it down until it was finished. Everyone in the SF Bay Area (where I reside) are psyched for this movie. The buzz is huge. And the average movie goer has no qualms about flames being present on Primes arm.
Aug. 23, 2006, 6:31 a.m. CST
I'm sure this talkback will keep going and going beyond the realms of the old aquaf@g talkback. Someone a while back asked why it was that the fans can't accept this incarnation of TF but quite happily watch the other cartoons variants and buy the other toys. I see that no one responded to that question properly except for some monkey saying that they weren't the same so it was ok..which i thought was a really funny answer.
Aug. 23, 2006, 6:33 a.m. CST
I'm sure the Average fan will love this movie. The average fan loved "Superman Returns". The Average fan loved "Fantastic four". If that's your target audience then the Transformers Movie is for the average fan, based on the photos and script it seems made for the average fan. You don't need us. However, Superman returns and the fantastic four were hardly money makers, Superman Returns for instance according to "Box Office Mojo" cost $270 million to make and so far it's only made $360. In short it's a box office failure. Why? Because the hardcore crowd was disapointed with it. The costume was wrong, there was only one major special effect involving the plane and kevin spacey is wrong for the role of Lex. There were other problems as well. Conversely, why did Spiderman make an easy billion? Because we, the hardcore fan, were pleased with it. It was nearly perfect! Bottom line: If I felt that the producers of the Transformers fully understood the characters and respected them, I'd see this movie 20 times over. Because I am a fan. As it is, I won't be watching this movie once. Because it looks as though the people responsible for it don't understand or even care about the characters. And that is the difference between success and failure at the box office.
Aug. 23, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST
Superman Returns and Fantastic Four both did miserably because they were utter shit; it had nothing to do with the lack of support from the hardcore fans - i could suggest that the hardcore fans were the only people who went to see those two movies, prove me wrong. No, the two movies you cite suffered from a lack of interest from the general public and were give a whole load of 'meh' reviews which hardly inspired people to go and see them. What's more, we already had a Superman movie. Who knows, maybe the public won't take to Transformers either but you're delusional if you think that a group of hardcore toy freaks can make or break a movie.
Aug. 23, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST
Why was it so hard to make the characters and story resemble Gen 1 (of course I'm not talking about EXACTLY like the cartoon, but for god's sake recognizable) and make EVERYONE happy? As it stands right now it looks like people who like big robots and explosions and don't mind a cheesy summer popcorn script will be fine with this movie. Why was it so hard to not reinvent the entire franchise yet AGAIN?
Aug. 23, 2006, 7:42 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
you are seriously wrong about SR and FF- they are not a great comparison to this as they are hugely different films- one dreadful lightweight fluff, the other dreadful portentious rubbish. They had a different critical reception- check out the adulation SR received here, for example- but a very similar reaction. A huge amount of fans went once to SR and were so disgusted that they did't return. Which they would have done if the film hadn't been so poo. I think that is what Xeniten is trying to get at anyway, and what you are ignoring. Of course "hardcore toy freaks" won't make or break a film, but the loss of revenue that would have come in from repeated viewings (there are people that post here that see a film 20+ times) will hurt the overall box office- so why would you want to alienate them? is it honestly that hard to paint one robot red and blue, or at least have them resemble the toys in some way (which they don't really- outside of being vehicles that turn into robots), or fit in with established canon? I'm not suggesting turn it into some 1980's dorkfest, but surely there is some middle ground?
Aug. 23, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST
there are so many problems with this whole thing. making "bumblebee" incapable of speech is a huge cop out. he's capable of regeneration to the point where he can heal his severed legs, but he can't heal his voicebox? why would he even be send to earth ahead of the others if he couldn't communicate correctly? easy answer. to eat screen time so people won't notice that there is absolutely no story. also, the line where "ironhide" wants to murder sam's parents goes against everything "optimus prime" just told sam that they were about. and...none of the other autobots (ironhide, jazz, and ratchet) have any form of personality (aside from ironhide wanting to murder sam's parents). they could easily be substituted for any other 3 autobots. and the designs...bumblebee looks like a goddamn banana tree, starscream looks like an ape. how the hell do you mess up iconic images like starscream and bumblebee like that? the animators on this movie are complete shit. and as for the talk of the public not caring about the designs...i don't think the public will care for the movie at all. it may debut high, but i predict it will be a dud overall in the scope of 2007 movies. 2007 is just too soon for tomboy beanpole michael bay and corporate fuck-hole don murphy to rape my childhood.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST
As posted on Michaelbay.com.... "Please let the people on the board know that any grey models they have seen are VERY early forms of toys and will be revised and changed, and will gain tremendous detail as they move toward finished products...thanks and regards, Brian Goldner." I fucking hope so you cunts. MonkeyScream must die. We don't want an Alien Vs Gundam movie, we want TRANSFORMERS!!
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST
if i eat corn my shit gains some tremendous detail, but it's still shit.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST
Lost Prophet, so far on this thread you're the only person who has actually explainined himself like an adult here but we'll agree to disagree. Like i said about the star wars prequels, the hardcore fans vowed to stay well clear of those and it hardly hurt the movies box office take; i'm sure plenty of people went to see EP3 many times but i don't think studios factor in the lunatic fringe who would go see a movie 20 times when they forecast their ticket sales. I'll judge the film on opening night; i'm not so anal as to care that bumblebee isn't a fucking VW bug anymore or that Prime has flames on his arms, or that the robots have skeletons. If i walk away entertained i'll be happy and ultimately, so will the public. The sad thing is there are too many people who take this franchise way too seriously, like the star wars and star trek nuts, and are quick to make conclusions from 3 crappy pictures, an out of date script of dubious authenticity and the fact that they don't look like the cartoons. In the eyes of every sane person who enjoys movies, they're hardly reasons to state, categorically, that a movie will tank and saying so is just plain fucking stupid.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:33 a.m. CST
I know that SR got adulation from this site, but to be blunt i always thought something smelled about the coverage that SR was given at AICN, as a result i sought my review for that flick elsewhere and surprisingly it matched my exact opinion on the film..i'm guessing SR is the one you called pretentious.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST
Still here defending the property, eh? You should probably go back and hang out at that apologist fest on DM's website. Hehe, corporate fuck-hole. Now THAT's funny. As for more detail on Monkeyscream, yeah, so they're gonna paint it. Yay. It still looks like shit.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST
Yeah, he also probably issued that statement because Hasbro is terrified that their toys aren't going to sell. You want the toys to sell, reissue the original G1's and do the movie right. But we all know here that it won't go that way. Goldner should cut his losses now.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
if Monkeyscream has painted flames on his arms.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
However, the adulation for it was far from confined to here: Empire reviewed it under the headline "Superman Soars" which it certainly didn't. I just don't see any point in (and it looks like deliberately) offending people that are more than willing to see it multiple times. I personally, couldn't give less of a toss if the main characters are the wrong colour or whatever, but many do. It is such an easy thing to put right without compromising your artistic integrity, so why not just do it? I will give you an example from SR of something that was utterly dreadful that could have been fixed in a heartbeat- Superbrat twatting the henchman with a piano and then been unable. Now for this to slide with me all it would have taken would have been 2 lines of dialogue- one with lois saying try for mommy, or some such crap, and the kid trying and then saying that he can't because of (whatever). now this would not have exactly been difficult to fix (much as taking the flames off optimus isn't hard) but really pissed me off at the time- see my point?
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST
yeah, i have to admit, i walked into the theater with very high expectations because of everything that i had read on this site, was dissapointed...it just wasnt special. while on the otherhand x3 wasn't as bad as they made it out to be...
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST
You're cracking me up on this fine morning.
Aug. 23, 2006, 8:57 a.m. CST
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:02 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
I meant "unable to open the ship door". Makes sense now
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST
Yeah, there's plenty of dick sucking going on at DM's site. The stooge crew is literally worshipping Goldner and his group of merry toymakers for spending their time and gracing them with their presence. Stooges, they're TOYMAKERS. As far as you all know, you're all sucking elf cock right about now.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST
Yeesh, don't you get it everyone? The ideas of us fans mean nothing. The movie's not about us. Blah, blah, fucking blah. There's no money to be made by doing anything that would please us, the fans of Transformers, and any TF movie should feel free to do whatever it wants for story, design and characterization. It's too hard to show a car part, design a head to fit previous TF incarnations, get voice actors from earlier TF incarnations or create a script that focuses more than 60% of it's time on the Transformers. Us, the fans of Transformers, are all idiots who cling to toys as if they were our wives or girlfriends and shouldn't be allowed to even speak a word of dissension. Just remember: there's no way they'd do anything to please us because there's no money in it.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:18 a.m. CST
Oh... Hasbro recently rereleased around 20 of the original G1 Transformers toys to please the original fans? What's that? Hasbro is currently getting ready to release a new Classics line of toys which includes nothing but original G1 characters, nearly all in their original classic stylings? Oh, what's that? Due to the original TF fans they're releasing a special 20th anniversary edition of the original TF movie? Oh, you don't say? Hot Topic is currently completing designs on a set of exclusive TF T-Shirts, designed solely around original G1 styles, all of which can be seen here: http://tfwire.com/ . Huh... why would they do that if the G1 fans money doesn't matter to them?
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:21 a.m. CST
i'm sure MB and DM have hasbro exclusive matching optimus and megatron butt dildos with laser etched flames and removable face plates, which they used to storyboard this piece of shit.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST
They're re-designing everything for the movie dramatically just so they can sell a NEW line of toys. Don't give me shit about robots based in reality and moving parts, etc. If they wanted to do it, they could. Plain and simple. Instead, we get Hasbro up everyones asses saying they have to sell toys, and the old ones, that could very well be released as OFFICIAL releases for the movie are instead put out as SPECIAL EDITIONS. Come on, if the G1 line wasn't so popular, then why are they bothering to do the special ed's? And if that's the case, why can't the filmmakers be respectful of the original designs? So, go suck an elf.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:32 a.m. CST
I totally agree. I actually seriously wonder how much of hand Hasbro has had in the production of the movie. It's interesting, as Hasbro ( linked hand in hand with Takara ) have always been very, very faithful to their fanbase. It's why Prime gets remade in every Transformers iteration, and nearly always in a form that's very recognizable as Prime. Hell, they sell repaints of old toys in their new lines in direct homages to the original G1 and later characters. It should also be noted that Hasbro's care for their fans was proven during the 80s: they brought back Prime at the end of the 3rd season simply to please the fans after the massive outcry over his death in the original movie. The Classics and Masterpiece lines, as well as Alternators and Robot Masters, prove that they realize just how much money their is to be made by creating designs that please TF fans. No, more and more I can't help but believe that Hasbro's linked to the movie only because they own the license.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST
and check out the level of dick sucking going down on the Hasbro thread (I think it's under design team or something). It almost makes me wish I were an elf right about now.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST
It's atrocious. It's funny to see how quickly they're doing damage control though. I think they have a much, much higher grasp of the damage bad word of mouth than many of the people in this talkback. http://www.tformers.com ( which is mostly just a toy review site ) has been running articles since the pics were leaked essentially doing nothing more than damage control. Here's an interesting bit of triva for you: a number of large corporate retail locations once looked into how much they could possibly lose due to one customer having a bad experience. The study ended up showing that the one person could end up costing anywhere between $50,000 - $100,000 in lost revenue. It works like this: one person gets pissed off. They stop shopping at the store, and tell everyone they know about their experience. Other people, many of them friends and family of the person, also stop shopping there. They tell others, and so on and so on. Now, to put this into a movie audience perspective: there's alot of TF fans out there, and even more people who remember it as a cartoon/toy from their childhood and will be interested in seeing it just because the want to see the characters they remember onscreen. Anyway, one person decides it's not worth spending his $8-$10 on. No big deal. He bumps into people at work, school, friends, whatever and mentions what he's seen and how he's not spending his cash on it. A number of those people get swayed, and decide not to see it. They tell others, and the cycle continues. No, it probably won't be a massive effect utterly dooming the film, however they will lose money that might have otherwise been a sure thing. That's the thing that gets me: the number of people living in the US who have at one point read, played with, or seen some version of Transformers is pretty big, easily a couple thousand. It's even more globally: TF has been going nonstop for over 20 years. Why risk losing that money? That's what amazes me!
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST
that even if by some small chance they do bow to the fans and corrected the robot look and the movie still bombed because it still suckec (bad, pandering script, anyone) they'd still lash out at us and blame the AICN talkback for their failure. You know, they hate this site. They really hate it.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST
on that board still believe in Santa Clause. "OH, I WANT MINE WITH RED FENDERS AND A PINK STEERING WHEEL." Wow, I must have taken my evil pills this morning.
Aug. 23, 2006, 9:59 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
that was precisely my point. I actually think that the likes of SR suffered due to this ripple effect. The only difference I would make would be to say that this film will not be sunk by fanatical G1 transformers fans. It will, however, make less money. Why on Earth would anyone not want to maximise their profit? especially when it is so easily fixed. I can only think of 2 reasons. 1) incompetence: they are so slapdash that they are fucking it up for you (as said before- I don't care, I keep returning as the debate is fascinating) despite ample opportunity to avoid the mistake; or 2) Arrogance: they honestly believe that their vision is so superior to your fond memories that your opinions have no value- and if you don't like it? well then Fuck Off we don't care. I just can't believe that something this easy to fix is going to be ignored. Amazing.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10 a.m. CST
after my girlfriend and i saw clerks 2 she said something to the effect of "don't even think you're dragging me to that nerdy transformers movie when ever it comes out". this is from someone who didn't even know a transformers movie was being made. what part of the masses that this movie is being made for are going to want to see a movie that in 2007 will be LAST YEARS JOKE?
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:04 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
they may try to blame AICN for failure, but no one will be fooled. Harry will give it a glowing review, the hype will be at fever pitch, nobody in their right mind would try to blame the collapse of a franchise on a group of disaffected fans on a TB. I think it will be shit because Michael "Pearl Harbour" Bay is attached, but that's just me.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST
LOL! So true. People earlier on were questioning why none of the AICN regulars were missing from this thread. I guess when you're guaranteed press coverage, you gotta keep your mouth shut. Do I for one second believe that this movie will lack action and explosions? Not for a second. But it's not going to be The Transformers. It's kinda like that Dawn of the Dead remake: sure, it was a cool zombie armaggedon movie, but it just wasn't Dawn of the Dead and probably would have been received better with a different title.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:16 a.m. CST
I meant to say that the AICN reg's were missing from this thread
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST
I'd almost call it simple gross negligence. Here's a quick figure for you, using just males and only G1 Transformers: any male between the ages of 27 - 32 might have watched or owned Transformers toys. Using data sifted from the US Census Bureau, that amounts to roughly 19,321,335 people. Assume that half of them actually know and and remember Transformers ( these would be anywhere from die hard fans, to people who were once fans but haven't had contact with the license since then ), giving you roughly 10 million people. Assume that half of them actually care enough about the Transformers they remember that they might potentially walk away from a version that looks nothing like what they remember. 5 Million people. Assuming local theater costs, that's 40 million dollars that could be potentially lost just from fans, without counting spouses, friends, family and children. Recently, the head of WB said that if Superman Returns had made only 20 million more domestically, they'd have been happier about it. While fans may not be responsible for making a movie's box office totally tank, you can bet that they make an impact.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
did the tool say that? Can you post a link. I think I agree with you- but it is a healthy mixture of the reasons posted. Call it arrogant, negligent gross incompetence. I am 28, British and remember owning the toy as a child. I am not going to cry "raped my childhood" over this, but the crass idiocy surrounding it is, frankly, unbelievable. I know less than fuck all about how you animate something, so am ignoring the technical arguments above, but I can see the blindingly obvious. if you have something this easy to fix- just fix it. Everyones happy, the argument is over and I can go back to work. And be bored,
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:28 a.m. CST
Fix it, and I can get back to being bored at work
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:31 a.m. CST
I'll have to find the link again, I believe it was for a online news article. Part of it is here: http://www.superherohype.com/news/supermannews.php?id=4658. In short, he says that SR fell 100 million short of expectations, but in another related article mentioned that another 20 or so million dollars would have recouped enough to make a sequel a more solid thing. He does go on to say that the franchise has been 'successfully' rebooted, and a sequel is iminent, though. I suspect the $20 Mil figure comes from the going rumor that it fell around that amount short domestically of meeting it's actual budget cost. But don't quote me on that, I'm going off memory and speculation on that one. =)
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
I have just finished the article in the LA TImes and the conceited arrogant prick finds every reason under the sun for the underperformance of these films. Except for (again the blindingly obvious) fact that they were shit. He even blames the audience for having the audacity to stay away from that unwatchable dog of a film Poseiden. I can't get my breath.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
I have just finished the article in the LA TImes and the conceited arrogant prick finds every reason under the sun for the underperformance of these films. Except for (again the blindingly obvious) fact that they were shit. He even blames the audience for having the audacity to stay away from that unwatchable dog of a film Poseiden. I can't get my breath.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:51 a.m. CST
they'll make statements that they don't understand the anger from the fans, they did everything to make them happy. Oh, yeah, like Peter Cullen fixes everything.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:54 a.m. CST
This clown said that they couldn't do G1 designs cause metal cannot bend? Or something to that effect? how in the hell do they explain that CRAPPY "Bumblebee" turning into a believeable, seamless automobile with solid, working doors and a hood? And a full interior? You see NONE of that on that robot that was built... unless it just magically disappears when they transform. MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.
Aug. 23, 2006, 10:55 a.m. CST
compromise your journalistic integrity for a trip to the TF set and meet TAD HAMILTON in person?! heck! I would! lol :0
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST
Getting Peter Cullen to appease the fans is a joke. Either he or the person who's been doing the voice of Prime since Beast Wars should have been the first obvious choices. I love how people on this TB throw out "You should just be happy you'll be getting explosions and robots, and lucky they got Cullen for you". Yeah. Right. Thanks for that. It makes it all better. Sheesh. You know why movies fail? It's simple: the vast majority of films that fail are remakes of already existing films or TV shows, 'reimagined' for the current audience which normally means throwing out the basic thing that made the original so popular in the first place! Do they stop and think that, hey, the reason the original got so popular in the first place was BECAUSE it had a strong fanbase? Maybe because the original had something going for it that just happened to resonate with them, that made the viewer find it endearing? The funny part of it is the cycle will continue. 20 years from now they'll be making a feature film remake of Buffy, 24 or some other recently amazingly popular show and show the same disregard for what made them popular, and the fans of those properties will be up in arms about it, just like people are today about Transformers and that horrifying Thundercats crap. Ugh.
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST
Like someone else said, the designers pretty much contradicted themselves the moment those pics leaked. Can't have mass shifting? Ok, then explain to me where the car parts go. Better yet, explain to me why the nice pieces of heavy armor attached to say, Blackout, would suddenly turn into far less efficient strips of metal. Where does the hood go on Bumblebee, and why isn't it sitting on his chest like a breastplate? These robots are supposed warriors who've been fighting for a long, long time. You'd think they'd know a thing or two about protecting themselves!
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST
we are lucky to have cullen! weren't we, at one point, about to get Clooney as prime?
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST
by Lost Prophet
The vast majority of films that fail are bad films. Simple, really- and it has nothing to do with abusing the basic premise. It doesn't help as it alienates a fan group that would otherwise go- but nonetheless, just as fan power isn't enough to bury a bad film that abuses its name, it is also not enough to guarantee massive BO for a bad film faithful to its' name. Shit is just shit- no matter which way you colour it.
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:22 a.m. CST
Still, you can't disagree with the fact that remakes ( along with sequels ) do tend to end up pretty piss poor ( either box office wise or just plain bad ). Something about remakes just tend to be a turn off. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that many remakes end up not breaking the $100 mil mark domestically. Throwing some random titles into www.boxofficemojo.com hasn't proven me wrong yet, might I add!
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST
Bit of trivia: according to boxofficemojo.com the remake of Psycho, made 38 years after the original, actually underperformed the original bringing in only 2/3 the total domestic take. Surprising!
Aug. 23, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST
Interestingly enough, according to http://tinyurl.com/ku8be it would seem that TV cartoons done live action don't tend to fare very well at the box office to begin with. The highest grosser being Scooby Doo with $153 mil, and the average being $58 mil. Only four out of 18 break the $100 mil mark. That's not a good track record for that's definitely going to have a pretty high budget. I'd say Bay and Co. are going to need all the box office they can get!
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST
yeah, cartoon adaptations have performed poorly in the past. but the TFs are different. First of all, the cartoons that they have been adapting have always been funny cartoons that have a strong nostalgic value without a strong geek fanbase ie: scooby doo, mr. magoo, richie rich, dudley do right, etc. as we all know its very difficult for a a family comedy to break the 100 mil mark, Tf is different because this is probably the first time an 80's 'action' cartoon (with the exeption of Masters of the Universe,and TMNT, but they didn't have any nostalgic value back then) with a STRONG fanbase, has been adapted into a full blown action movie. Just the premise alone is extremely appealing HUGE FUCKIN ROBOTS SLUGGIN IT OUT. definitely more appealing then STONE AGE FAMILY HAVE FUN AND ROCK THE ROCK AGE or BLIND GUY NARROWLY ESCAPES TROUBLE ALL DAY LONG...so my point is, were treading new ground here...
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Yep, that's me I'm a clown. How the fuck can you suggest the ice skating Citroen is the same as these new designs? I can see the entire car on the Citroen just like a G1 Transformer, something I don't see on these Bay bots. These guys must have been playing Tetris when they imagined these things.....As for me displayng my animation skills, I don't need to make a new animation because YouTube has loads of G1 style bots that PROVE my point, including the damn Citroen. Here's a better idea Mr. Animator, why don't you whip up an animation that proves why G1 doesn't work and these Tetris bots do. Put your fucking money where your mouth is, you're the pro, this should only take you like 20 minutes.....don't get fired though, do it after you get done testing that new level the real designers have been working on.
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST
How about filming a giant turn in the middle of the street and have Cullen voice that. It will fix EVERYTHING. Truth is, they threw the Stooges a bone with that one, to me it didn't make a difference. All I would like to see is familiar designs along with their correct characterizations (Starscream as #1 example). Oh, and also to let each character shine at least enough to know who/what they are (if Skywarp were in the movie, his original spec indicated that he was a cruel prankster. Would that simple shit not be cool to see?).
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST
lemme guess...turn = turd? :)
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST
it's a turd
Aug. 23, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST
Man... I really wish they were using the original set of Seeker Jets ( for those not in the know, that includes Starscream, Thundercracker and Skywarp ) instead of this Blackout dude. Skywarp was always one of my favorite characters from the cartoon, just because he really was a prankster! He was like a big, jock prankster. It was great. Geez, there's one episode where he deliberately sets Starscream up to fail just so Megatron will punish him. Great stuff... it's that characterization that's so missing! Ironhide wasn't some crotchety old human killing bastard, he was perhaps the most kindly of the Autobots! There's many occasions in the series where he goes out of his way to protect th