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FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER!
Hey folks, Harry here. SuperHeroHype.Com has confirmed the name change of Fantastic Four 2... it's FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER. They've also got a curious paragraph which feels like it was pulled out of a press release from Fox:
In the sequel, the enigmatic, intergalactic herald, The Silver Surfer, comes to Earth to prepare it for destruction. As the Silver Surfer races around the globe wreaking havoc, Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben must unravel the mystery of The Silver Surfer and confront the surprising return of their mortal enemy, Dr. Doom, before all hope is lost.
So - it seems we're not really looking at a straight adaptation of FANTASTIC FOUR 48, 49 and 50... aka the holy trinity of comic stories. It seems as though they have decided to deal with Dr. Doom and Silver Surfer stuff - which was a pretty fucking great storyline in it's own right - FF #s: 57, 58, 59 and 60. And they've probably taken both the original 3 story cycle and the 4 story cycle and done some sort of combination. For those - less familiar with the second story - it concerned Doc Doom stealing the "power cosmic" that the Silver Surfer had. Now - who knows what they've cut and changed - but given Rothman's general dislike for big metallic purple things - he's probably not a big Galactus fan. Or they may just leave this film on the teaser of Galactus arriving at the end of the story. We know they won't deal with Black Bolt or Sandman from the 2 story series... and I've a sneaking suspicion that the Watcher will be cut too. Of course - that's just speculation on my paranoid part. BUT - the good thing is this. If they're changing it this much... It means that 20 years from now when Rothman has long since been fired from Fox... there's a chance for better versions of these classic stories, much like I'm hoping will one day be down with the Phoenix saga.
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That's all right then. Phew, for a minute I thought they were going to fuck it up. Oh hang on...
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if only we could clone bryan singer and have him do fantastic four too.
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i really have no investment in the F4 franchise. Although I did once see a home made teaser of what a surfer movie would look like- back in the day when not everyone had access to cgi and digital filmmaking was the exception and not the rule.
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That's what I'm Santa for this christmas, that Fox, Roth-twat and hackman Story don't fuck this up! It could be so cool if they get it right. Big if though.
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what a horrid idea. He's already fucked up superman and you want to give him another Comic property to destroy. Also, it looks like Harry already has downer on this, anyone want to take bets on a repeat of the X3 saga?
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any ideas on who should play him?
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...now he seems like a pretty stupid character. How can any intelligent movie explain why a guy would fly around on a surf board??? Some things should just stay in the comics, I think...
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The world looking up at a silloette of Galactus in front of the sun should be the last shot of the film.
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...will be the person who's already been cast to play him: Doug Jones. Not obsessed enough, I see.
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stop it arsehole.
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These goat fuckers to get anything right or worth a shit after the last bucket of cinematice pig vomit they put out? Seriously, Story and Rothman take turns ass fucking each other over how to completely fuck up a comic book movie on a daily basis. I guess when this shitastic piece of toilet chili flops maybe they'll fire both of these cocksuckers and get some real talent on these things.
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http://www.theblackdiamondeffect.com/Galactus.mov
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Those wacky, cheesy adventure comedy shows that would use the phrase 'Oh no, here we go again?' as they were launched into another wacky, cheesey comedy adventure? Well that's how I'm feeling now - I didn't hate Fantastic Four - I watched it, laughed occasionally and then got on with my life. My eyes didn't explode, my face didn't melt so on the whole it was a better experience than Batman and Robin. I did, and fully expect to again, get bored with the inevitable hissy fits and hate that is going to eminate from this site about every little fucking FF2 piece of news that will undoubtadly filter through from now until next year! So (rolls eyes and shakes head ) 'Here we go again'!
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DAMN YOU TO HELL!!! You fucked up the X-men series from the beginning! That could have been Fox's Star Trek! But noooooo... You approve You approve shit like AVP and AVP2: BLUE LIGHT SPECIAL instead of a Cameron/Scott helmed Alien 5! Wouldn't you rather be remembered as the guy that ensured a long string of successful films and properties which would benefit Fox in the longrun, instead of churning out horseshit just to make the green immediately? I guess not. *sigh* I hope someone with smarter handles the franchises over at Paramount. Cause Fox sure as hell didn't. FUCKTARDS!!!
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Is ANYONE gonna try to deny that?
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Man, that one with The Commish blew donkeys. Yeesh.
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IT FUCKING SUCKED ON SO MANY LEVELS. This is a train wreck of Titanic proportions . . .
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these talkbacks getting a edit feature. I had two Doogie Howser moments in that last post. *sigh* Oh well. Anyways, back to F4. I remember someone saying that Ben's look could evolve over the course of the films, any chance of that happening? I'm not asking for him to be the size of the Hulk, or even cg, but the face needs work. I know it's the Kirby design, but it's kinda weak. He needs the thick brow (a must) and possibly a larger mouth. But at least it wasn't as bad as Cyclops' visor in the first X-flick and the cowl in Batman Begins. (Those ears were horrible!)
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But mainly coz my boy loves it, more than any other comic-book movie. But yeah, Rothman and Story need to TRY MUCH MUCH HARDER, (and so does Oliver Wood as he can do SOOOOOOOO much better e.g. Face/Off).
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....have the nerve to say Roger Corman got it wrong!?!?!?
Well even at it's "low budget" worst, it's still head and shoulders above Fox's Digital Discharge! At least the film had it's heart in the right place. -
Just preparing myself for a Major Let Down
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Well you know what? I've always had a problem with gangs of superheros - There's just something kind of childish about it all, like when Stan Lee came up with the Xmen I just got the impression he'd thought; "Man if only there was some way to create a comic that would allow me to cover loads of characters/powers and just basically let all my silly superhero ideas flood out". Now don't get me wrong I'm a big marvel/dc fan but I really think superheros just look better solo. I mean crossovers can be fun without a doubt but large groups of multi-powered folk just seems kind of silly and even less plausable than a solo hero.
Now thats not even talking about the F4 - A fucking FAMILY of superheros, and very very gay.
That said - I do have to thank the F4 for for one thing; Galactus! He rocks! Big stoopid giant floating man who's dinner is 10000 times his size - absolutely class, proper silly fun! So I gotta admit I'm happy that we've got the surfer in this one. I do kind of hope that he's more like the ultimate version though, that kind of worked around the surfboard thing by having him 'morph' out of a spherical missile, leaving a surfboard-ish shape at his feet - I also thought his multi-layered teeth were pretty cool too..
If the G-man does make an appearence though he better not be the hive-mind BS from ultimate extinction - a proper let-down for a sad Galactus fan like me..
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I hope Matt Evans has an involvement in this film http://tinyurl.com/kx59r
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seriously, does anyone trust them to do a good job with such a classic storyline? the first film was hella-lame. i'll watch anything with jessica alba in it but it's hard to get excited that the silver surfer's first screen appearance will be handled by such an otherwise lacklustre bunch of producers, etc.
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In ireland we didnt grow up reading comic books as youd did in the US. We would have got stuff like dan dare, Beano or the dandy or there were girly comics, like jackie, which had proplem pages in them etc. But stuff like FF, The Hulk, wonder woman. IN ireland we were nor involved in World war two and we were cut off from the outside world untill the sixties, when we. In the 80s we would have seen the FF on TV and of course we had bond. The only time we had superheros was on the short reels on saturday morning ans that was in the 1960s. The reason for me writing this, is when people give out about comic book movies not being up to standard, the only standard that I have to go by is Tv and not comic books. As for the FF movie, I enjoyed it, for what it was, a summer movie and that is all it was. if you dont like comic book movies then do go to them. simple as that, but please remember there are those who have never read comic books, who just like the movies, instead.
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Unfortunately it was a pile of plastic, product placed shit. Tim Story obviously really loves making these movies (if you read his blogs, he seems like a kid in a candy store), but that doesn't really matter much if he doesn't have any real talent. The guy just points and shoots. Ordinarily I'd be overjoyed that the Silver Surfer is finally making his way onto the big screen, but now it just feels like they're killing two franchises at once. Still, good luck to them. Tom Rothman, if you're reading this - please stop thinking about how much money you'll make and start actaully thinking about how to go about making these films good.
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If they don't make any serious changes before filming, it may require a toke to enjoy a sequel. lol Should all elements remain consistant with the first flick, I anticipate a scene in which Johnny and Silver Surfer are caught by Reed rolling a few behind one of his computers. "Surfers...." lol They need to recast or at least prompt some better acting... hopefully they'll have a better scriptwriter this time... and hopefully they'll completely retool The Thing's appearance, giving him a little CGI so that he no longer looks like an orange Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.
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this is bullshit, I cant see this being anyway as good as it should be.
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...I don't know how old you are or where you learned to write english, but I was swamped with all things Marvel and DC growing up here - do'nt know how you could've missed them...
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Agreed. Every comics title Bryan Singer works on becomes gold in his hands. Even if you disagree with this statement, you HAVE to agree... he couldn't possibly make FF4 worse than it already is. lol
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Tom Rothman...get your casting couch girlfriend an acting coach already!!! Jessica Alba is going to hurt all of these proceedings no matter what happens if her acting fails to improve dramatically...pun intended. Her bad acting just pulls you out of the suspension of disbelief!!! Now, if they, Fox, really want to impress me...get that guy from the Actors' Studio, James Lipton, to give her ass a crash course in method acting. For me...a Jessica Alba that can act will be the greatest special effect Tom Rothman can muster!!!
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true, it couldn't become any worse. But Singer's golden touch. Nope- that vanished with stalkerman bores.
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Obviously I was trying to say FF and F4 at the same time. haha
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Two words: Alba... nude. Advertise that and the opening weekend will be through the ROOF! lol Of course she'll never agree to it, so don't even do anymore stupid "teases" like the lil semi-striptease in the first one.
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...maybe FF2 could have an R rating and we could see the conception of Franklin...? lol
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something else you don't like (although you are right in this case). Is there anything you do like?
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Brian Singer will just try to turn the Fantastic Four into an action-less allegory for homosexual relationships. Gay super heroes in cat suits, who fight against gay bashing by having emotional non threatening conversations with their tormentors who tease them too much!!! It's sad to say but...Tim Story kicked his ass with Fantastic Four if you compare it to Superman Returns. And for pure entertainment value, comic beats and pacing...Mr. Story has better fell for these things than Singer. Now...who they really need to work with, possibly on another project...is Joss Whedon. His film Serenity...on a dramatic level, as well as action, humor and pacing kicks ass on all the Singer directed X-Men films...and Story's Fanatastic Four!!!
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The greatest Marvel Villain should blow minds. Please pay attention to this character.
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Bad cast, bad director, bad fx. I didn't catch the first one in the theater. this is such great content, sucks to see it ruined in hollywood. ~suki http://www.dvdnewsroom.com
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Fantastic Four 2: Soon
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Harry is already rooting for this movie to fail! Sounds like a familar story to me. Maybe he should take a page from these directors and and not just regurgitate "what has gone before!"
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What I was goind to say before I pressed the wrong button and sent that, Was Fuck this shit!, the first movie was crap, it was too corney. It could of been great if it took a more adult approach like lets say Batman Begins or the X-Men movies, personaly Iam no longer interested, bring on 2008 and bring on The Dark Knight.
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I rewatched the first movie the other day and it was a lot less bad than I remembered it. The biggest problem with that movie, by far, is Dr. Doom. Everything in that movie involving him in any way is flat-out idiotic. I'm not saying it's Julian McMahon's fault either; the script treated him so badly I think there was no way for him to work (though McMahon's voice was just plain wrong for the part as well). Jessica Alba contributes to the badness as well - she was just miscast - but the other three, and the origin story, were actually pretty good.
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I don't care how much you dislike Singer... X-Men and Superman Returns kicked miles of ass over FF. At least they have some ACTION, better CGI, and PLOTS. To say otherwise is ignorance... sorry to disrupt your bliss. The only thing I agreed with you about is Joss Whedon. Why isn't he being utilized in some comics-related flicks?? He should at least be writing some scripts! FF could certainly use his touch. He could even make Alba shine as more than a beautiful body.
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Yes. The worst part of FF was the final battle. Doom basically just stood there and I think raised an arm once. The Pokemon cartoons have better battles! lol
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camp, too little action and shit acting
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If Sony was putting this out Harry would love it, but alas, it's Fox. So get ready for a year of double standards and backhanded compliments. What clever play on words can Harry make up for Tim Story? Tim Sorry. Pimp Story. The list goes on and on.
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I'm waiting for it to hit FX. *yawn*
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...until Joe Satriani said he was. Everybody knows that. And this movie will suck. The first Fantastic Four was the nadir of all modern superhero movies. Only Elektra gave it a run for the money in complete suckitude.
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there really have been some poor efforts.
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The first one was dreadful, I can't see any improvement in this one. Does FF really have the potential to be a great movie? I just can't see it myself. Best left in comics.
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Instead of naming off comic book movies that are better than FF, it is easier (quicker) to name off the ones that are worse. Daredevil, Elektra, Blade 3, Superman Returns (yeah, I said it)and Punisher. Nuff said?
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My wife discovered news about the flick at www.imdb.com ...but I had no luck finding it, later. They're trying to cast... and maybe they're even ABOUT to cast... Harvey Dent and the Penguin! The WB are talking with two specific actors... but I'm not telling. I'll comment when there's a story, here.
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You could always go the Warren Ellis way!!!
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I'd say that it was on a level with Daredevil. Which is pretty poor. Though we're not talking Spawn/Catwoman bad but still pretty ropey. If anything your list just goes to show how rare it is that a comic translates well to the silver screen.
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Phillip Seymour Hoffman, and Ryan Phillipe. We know, we talked about this like two weeks ago in the Dark Knight talkback.
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That's freakin' classic, man.
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True that. FF sucked out loud, but, strangely, was still watchable and even enjoyable at points. It never really captured the spirit of the comic and was more Barbershop than Spiderman. I still have some hope for the sequal.
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Who gives a shit about them? They are the gayest group of "heroes" I think I've ever seen. "Look at me! I turn invisible", ,"but wait I Stretch all over the place"...."I'm A Torch!"..."My power, is that I'm a rock....". You people who dig this shit, need to be fucking smacked. This is one comic series that needs to be dragged out into the street and shot. The Fantastic Four, Are the ink and crayon version of a queef.
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I downloaded that shit, and still I almost turned it off halfway through. Never saw Elektra, so I'm thinking it's a three way race between Daredevil, FF, and X3 as to which one was the worst recent superhero movie. Although this sequel might just surpass all three in complete shitiness.
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It will take a lot to top this summer's dismal offerings. If I had to choose then I reckon SR was worse. Both, however, look like works of genius compared to ELektra and Catwoman- which don't even have unintentional comedy value.
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Will we actually see the Surfer rise or something?
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a talkback for a good comic-to-screen franchise. *hint, hint, nudge, nudge, wink, wink*
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I mean, the first film was a piece of crap that pandered to braindead TRL viewers, and with Tim Story back at the helm, does anyone really expect the second film to be much better? Story & Co. turned Doctor Doom, one of Marvel's top supervillains (if not THE top), from an Eastern European badass Darth Vader precursor into an Americanized generic corporate weasel. I imagine the script for FF: ROTSS will feature the Silver Surfer as some asinine Californian surfer dude who somehow gains super powers from a mysterious shadowy figure named "Al Gactus." At least Fox has LIVE FREE OR DIE HARD and THE SIMPSONS MOVIE going for them in Summer of '07.
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see I thought X3 was on a par with the other films, which in retrospect, were fairly average. Getting rid of Sabertooth in the first one? The good thing with it was they got the casting perfect. The stories however, average.
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... this morning, for the first time, as a matter of fact, I feel wholly comfortable with the fact that I'll be keeping this $8 firmly in my pocket. What an utterly mediocre and lifeless film, barely buoyed by the walking delight that is Michael Chiklis -- sorry he's tangled up with this franchise.
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You never get to see "Swinging" as an adjective for a super-hero on a cover anymore.
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...a'la Harry's anti FF tirade from a couple years back and the anti X3 kick he was on from the moment they announced Ratner asw the director. Imagine, if you will, the following words spoken in the voice of the Simpsons' Comic Book Guy: "Of course there is no way they could include the reference to a Spider Man villain, as he is the property of another movie company, or the reference to an obscure second tier character who's backstory alone would necessitate a half-hour subplot, and therefore this story should not be told. If they don't stick directly to the story as written in 1966 and use the very issues themselves as the storyboards for this movie, then it will be the worst...movie...ever!" That kind of tired, whiny horseshit isn't going to get old fast at all. I know a lot of you are ready to fire up your torches and grab your pitchforks simply because Harry's got some childhood issues, but in retrospect and in the larger perspective, FF wasn't the unholy abortion that Harry anticipated (the only thing they really botched was the translation of Doom) and X3 was a decent sequel to a decent series of films, very much in keeping witht he tone and feel of the previous two adaptations (although losing Nightcrawler was a mistake). By comic book movie standards, those two are far from the bottom rung and, need I remind you, the only comic book movie so far to use the comics as a storyboard and translate almost 100% faithfully the source material was Sin City, which is a fascinating piece of experimental art but not a very good movie on its own merits. So maybe let's relax a bit and see how they handle this, huh? No? Okay. Fuck it. Someone go get some rope.
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not suckage. there were good points, as there were in X3. Some parts are enjoyable but as a whole the movies weren't that good. BUT both owned Superman Returns which was a total borefest(yes even the plane scene was nothing spectacular, the phoenix scene in the house and the end in X3 owned it hard, like really hard). By the way the silver surfer uses a surfboard because when he chose to save his planet and become Galactus' herald, surfing was a childhood fantasy of his. Galactus is all powerful, doesn't seem hokey, if it's explained.
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...Lawl
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L-O-L!!! Sabretooth-WRONG. Storm-WRONG. Rogue-WRONG. Other than that, the casting was ok.
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Pierce Brosnan as Reed, Naomi Watts as Sue, Paul Walker as Johnny (I guess), cast Haley Joel Osmont as Franklin and CGI The Thing with Peter Cullen doing the voice.
Now THERE'S an FF movie...
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Thats kinda effed up.
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NBC's Heroes out X-men's X-men. Fox shoulda made a series out of it, it would have been their Trek I tell ya.
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The first one was bad enough. With the same cast, director and producer, there is now reason for anyone to see it. Fuck that "I'll just download it" bullhsit. Just don't see it. Put it out of your mind. It's that easy.
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http://aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=24175
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Well, X3 rocked and rocked hard, my friend. It was a great movie, and I predict that 1) there will never be another attempt at the Phoenix saga because it's not necessary and 2) that history will show that the people who constantly and publicly pine for it will be seen by the public at large as whiny asses. Oh, part 2 has already come to pass.
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A remake of "Phoenix" is totally necessary......one day. It's Scott and Jean's story, not Logan's. Hell, X-men is Scott's story, not Logan's.
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... I've never really dug the Silver Surfer. Seemed like an incredibly stupid concept for a character to me. Although Galactus IS cooler than penguin shit on an iceberg. I would suggest that the Silver Surfer be scrapped altogether and they adapt the ending of Secret Wars, where Doom could defeat Galactus in a similar fashion to issue 10 of Secret Wars and then the FF would have to deal with Uber-powerful Doom. Not that it would necessarily be any better, mind you, but it wouldn't have to involve the stupidity known as The Silver Surfer. And it would involve my two favorite villains.
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properly. She rose out of the water and became Dark Phoenix instantly - Scott never knew her as Phoenix. He just got offed. They just pissed away the whole Claremont/Byrne saga, which elevated X-Men to greatness and transformed comicbook storytelling. And I second Naomi Watts for Invisible Woman. Send Alba to the Wonder Woman franchise, and make her a skimpily-clad Wonder Girl.
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is lost on me. totally. I thought the whole story arc was kind of silly to be honest. Aliens, genocide etc. IT just seems faintly ridiculous. But then I am not an obsessive fan.
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Maybe you should read it before you slam it. It was more than about aliens. The Hellfire club, the White Queen, Mastermind - they were the ones who created Dark Phoenix. Or unleashed her, depending on the interpretation. And if they had planned things properly, there could have been a great crossover with Phoenix battling Galactus and the Silver Surfer. Reboot time.
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Maybe it's me, but I found the character completely unappealing, as well as Galactus. Someone enlighten me. All I know is Surfer is like a planet scout for hungry hippo Galactus before he comes a-chompin'...
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Maybe it's me, but I found the character completely unappealing, as well as Galactus. Someone enlighten me. All I know is Surfer is like a planet scout for hungry hippo Galactus before he comes a-chompin'...
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Shit I forgot Rogue!! Actually , you're right, she was so wrong. I thought Sabretooth LOOKED pretty good. Unfortunately they forgot to right a part for him.
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thats "write" a part for him.
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The general concensus from most fans is, they realize that the Alien stuff wouldn't have worked in this version of X-men. That's not the issue. The issue is "killing" Scott off, thus giving the fans the big "FUCK YOU!". Singer was supposedly gonna give Marsden a chance to shine in X3/4. But all of that was shot to shit. Thanks Tom, thanks Halle!
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Clancy Brown should have, and still should be Sabretooth. And in a perfect world, it would be a hybrid of Gary Busey and former wrestler Sid Vicious.
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Seriously, who actually thinks the Surfer will make the movie any more watchable? Really?
Here's how I see it - Comic Book Movies in the Last 10 years break down like this:
Movies to Pay For on the Big Screen: X-men 2, Batman Begins, Spider-man 2, Spider-Man, X-Men, Blade 2, Blade (yeah, I said it), Superman Returns (yeah - it has it's issues, but c'mon, it's Superman!), Hulk ///
Movies to rent: DareDevil, Blade 3 ///
Movies to watch for free, or avoid entirely: Fantastic Four, Elektra, From Hell, League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, Batman & Robin
(never did see 'V for Vendetta') - where does that fall into?
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right here: http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=24175
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and I hardly slammed it. Fair enough about the point with Scott though, I stand corrected.
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Yeah I paid for it, and didn't feel totally violated either. Sure it had issues, and didn't follow my X-Men comics to the letter. It was't the total crap fest that Harry & Co. made it out to be either. (Punking off Mystique and Cyclops like that was a kick in the balls though).
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He didn't check the main page for the talkback, and you didn't check this one to see if anybody gave the link already. :P
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Whou would win that battle? Huh? Whats up now nigga?
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...to make a Spiderman level masterpiece of a Superhero movie. There's so much potential in the stories and characters as well as a huge fan base to be a huge success. But they so seriously screwed up the first movie in every way possible... The story was missing all the things that make Superheros great (love, honor, revenge, huge battles etc), the dialog felt like it was written by a film school applicant, which was made worse by the acting which was (for the most part) on par with what you'd see in community theatre, the directing was just a disgrace, most of the SFX where cheesy, the set design was just as cheap etc etc. But what the hell do they care? If the movie caters to little kids and cracks $100MM and they get their Burger King tie-in, so what if it's a total embarassament for any film maker/artist to put on their resume? And I agree with the guy who posted above that the idea of some dude on a surfboard may have been cool several decades ago but now, when you think about it, it's pretty silly.
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My bad.
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... or they think they'll lose half their audience. Shit, these Hollywood people think that the greatest story ever told is how some guy is preventing some other guy from getting some. Fantastic Four 2: It's Cockblockin' Time!
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I read any post of yours about comics, and I just get the impression you've never actually read a comic in your life, Harry, and just pretend to, dropping issue numbers to be hip. I look forward to a a movie(get this) ADAPTATION. You're such a hypocrite too. Bryan Singe drastically changes and shortchanges characters for the worse and you praise it. Anyone else makes any decision not lifted directly from a comic and they're a hack.
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was when Johnny Storm's crumpled Corvette dropped next to him. I could not believe that scene is in a multi-million dollar, major comic-book movie. That was the cheesiest prop ever to appear in a multiplex.
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Even worse than Daredevil. It sucked balls. Why is everyone so happy about this sequel? It's not going to be any better...
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I don't know where all the hate is coming from for Elektra. Granted, I've read only a handful of comics that dealt with her - early Daredevil and Spiderman - but as a standalone movie, I thought Elektra was decent. I feel the same about The Punisher. It may not follow the comic too closely - again, which I've never read - but as a movie, it worked fine for me. Now Catwoman, on the other hand, was a complete stinking turd of a movie. Awful, awful, awful! Daredevil was watchable, but the scene between Eletra and Matt in the playground was unforgivable. And the whole physics thing where Elektra and Daredevil would make impossible jumps was bad. Overall, not terrible, though. FF was an OK popcorn movie, but had some weaknesses. Not great, not terrible. I'm sure I'll go to see FF2, but I'm not expecting much out of it. I'm sure it'll be on par entertainment-wise with the first FF movie. I'm already dreading all the hate coming from this site towards it, though. That's just not fun reading to me.
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It's just occured to me, brokeback, that you too have joined the ranks of those prepared to defraud their employer. Kudos,
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The more I think about it, the more I think it's true. Superman Returns... cockblocking. Legend of Zorro... cockblocking. FF1... cockblocking. Spiderman 2... cockblocking. I think that's one reason why I liked X3... not much cockblocking... at least not in the usual Days of our Lives bullshit sense.
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"there's a chance for better versions of these classic stories, much like I'm hoping will one day be down with the Phoenix saga." no really is that some sort of joke? so if we had seen X3 and the shiar had flown in and then have seen the x-men running around in space and then they threw in the hellfire club with it's men in 1600 period costumes and it's women in lingerie, you'd be happy? that's what you want to see in an x-men film? sure you and a few thousand geeks from AICN would eat that junk up. but as for the rest of the world...we'd hate it. and everyone complained X3 wasn't the original phoenix story...so what. it was entertaining, and could be digested by the average movie goer easily time and time again. the rest of the world liked X3. now you're setting up FF2 the same way. you want to see it happen the "classic" way. i believe any great story is mostly dependant upon it's characters, either in comics or in the movies. if they give us a decent story but stay 100% true to the characters nine times out of ten the movies gonna kick tail. now i will admit the first Fantastic Four film had a few character problems (mostly doom and sue) but my rant here is that no one seems worried by that. that is the real butchering of a story, when a lame doc doom is set up as the half-@$$ villian and sue sounds less like a scientist and more like a sorority girl. i could care less if we see galactus. i personally don't think the character well translate well to the big screen.
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or are memories so short that folk have forgotten Batman & Robin? the Fantastic Four was a generally lame movie but it was nowhere near the epic craptacular that was B&R. also, i haven't seen Catwoman but i understand that was ass-rapingly bad. in fact, all of Harry's phony bitching about Fantastic Four ("their uniforms are the wrong shade of blue!", etc) made me appreciate the things that movie *didn't* get horribly wrong. btw, i get that a lot of people hated Daredevil but i thought it was a decent adaptation of the comics. wish i could say the same about Electra, though.
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it sucked
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It got pretty dark at times, but Spider-Man, X-Men, Daredevil, etc. are all basically moody, tortured books. Lee and Kirby created Fantastic Four to be fun for the most part, which is why I suspect most people wanted it to be the tortured soul that the other three movies were.
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Remember Batman Begins? Howzabout Daredevil--or Catwoman? What short memories you have.
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was good. Are you moviemack in disguise?
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Someone mentioned Clancy Brown for Sabretooth, but he'd be better suited for Galactus! That booming voice, those creepy eyes - check him out in Carnivale and you'll know I'm right!
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1. the movie would be better if they kept it on planet earth. 2. bryan singer sucks. 3. rothman does not read this crap. 4. if he does that's very sad.
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batman begins was awesome. in fact it was prolly the best superhero movie to date. and i love daredevil.
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no Galactus.
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Aug 17, 2006 10:34:50 AM CDT
Kelly Slater for Silver Surfer! He's bald and surfs!
by r.c. the "wise"
Or go with the obvious choice of Keanu Reeves for Silver Surfer. It's a win-win. Whoa!
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Good guess, but I have a late shift today. Just watching The Village. Another bad movie by M. Night Shysterlam.
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that is all.
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What do you have against women in lingerie on the bigscreen? Adriana Lima for the White Queen.
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Just wanted to say that 'Superman Returns' was the most expensive episode of 'Will & Grace' ever, with the Harry Connick Jr. character as the hero. Sure, FF was terrible, but SR was awful in a different way, one where pretentious self-seriousness was mistaken for heart, with characters that don't act like either their comic incarnations nor actual human beings. We're talking comic movies, and I really can't say enough bad things about Superman Returns.
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you're a complete idiot about X3, this is a the only time I TRULY disagree completely with something you say, i usually don't care since everyone can have his opinion but you can't be serious still about x3,the world doesn't give a fuck about the details of the pheonix saga, if you like then read the comic books, but no one will pay that studio that invested their money to read a exact detail of the comicbook storyline, i thought x3 was a great fun movie, i actually enjoyed it and the time flew by quick, unlike that snoozefest piece of crap SR.
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BTW, brokeback I accidentally clicked on Harry's review of superman and someone called Big C is upset at something I said about his review of it. Do you know where it is, as I can't find it?
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For people who like Prince ....
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yo, seconding the love for the VENTURE BROS. take on the FF. not only better and funnier than the FF movie (both Cormans and new ones), but waaay better and waaaaaay funnier than that other FF knockoff THE INCREDIBLES. basically, VENTURE pwns everything. EVERYTHING!!! IGNORE ME!!! indeed!
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sorry I have no idea who Big C is. And why the hell is Sign o the Times not out on DVD? WTF???
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Okay, look, I love the original comic as much as the next dork, but it would have made a totally and completely retarded movie. XMEN in outer space? No thank you. The movie version we got was just fine and dandy. Sure X3 coulda been better, yes X1 and X2 were superior in nearly every way, but X3 was still good. I dug it. Couldn't possibly care less if Juggernaut's belt was all wrong or it went against "comics canon" or any of the other anal retentive criticisms the film got c/o Geek Nation (the guys who "hated" it and yet saw it in the theatres about 35 times). Possibly because i have a life? Just a thought.
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I found it. He is just crying like a bitch because I have a different opinion, and the stupid pompous twat posted in the wrong TB. Do you mean that Prince film?
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Someone cried like a bitch because of a difference of opinion? Surely not on a TB! Yeah, the Prince film. One of the most brilliant concert films ever. And not on DVD??
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Prince: Brook, tell me what that is. Brook: A sweet, sticky thang. Heh.
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At least in Daredevil Colin Farrell had a good time as Bullseye. FF was a joyless, paint by numbers shitfest that gave me a new apreciation for Hulk. Catwoman doesn't really count as a Comic Book movie, IMO, because as far as I can tell, and I've never seen it, they don't follow any continuity at all. FF2 will likely suck as long as Jessica Alba and whatever his name is that plays Mr. Fantastic are in it. And they need a new director & scribe. I feel this flick will be awful.
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The first movie was REALLY bad, and the same people are coming back for this one. I don't see how it's going to be an improvement of any sort; if anything, it will be more of the same.
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Questions, questions...
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i think!? i mean it's a lame, kid friendly hunk of Cheese but I thought it would suck way more than it actually did and it was fun, except for the orange guy in the rubber suit who was just funny lookin! he was all soft and squashy instead of crumbly and hard! why didn't they CG over the actor like Kong or Davy Jones. Anyway it's more kid friendly than batman or Spidey and that's quite cool I think. who fucking cares anyway! what am I talking about!? it was pretty shite! so maybee they will make this one better and have that funny Galacticus dude in it with the big purple hat on!
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comic fans, and use the terms "get over it" and "get a life" without even reading as to why we're not exactly happy with what we got with X3. Go back and look at the talkbacks and count how many people wanted the outer space stuff. Go ahead. Hardly any. Harry put it best in his review: "For comic fans
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Was actually very good. I'm amazed at how different it is from the theatrical release. FF sucked donkey but not as bad as some say. The Surfer could save it...
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Aug 17, 2006 11:47:42 AM CDT
I think I'll spend that 8 bucks seeing Spidey 3 again
by spectrebeeyatch
Like Spacesheik said "same director? sam cast? No thanks" I agree. Oh yeah also I thought Fox's big deal was making shitty movies for cheap but that's until I found out X3 cost 220 million to make. Where did all that money go? X3 had horrible visuals minus the pointless bridge scene. Even fans of X3 have to admit that scene is pretty much pointless and fucking stupid. If Mageneto had hundreds of guys sure then it makes some sense but he had maybe twenty people with him why not just take a boat? Whatever X3 was a failure as was SR I think studio's need to wake up and watch how Raimi and Nolan do it or just give up.
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is playing on Showtime Beyond now. Better than FF.
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they are aware that he comes down out of the sky, right?
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...getting into an F4 discussion with Harry is like getting into an arse kicking competion with a centipede. This boy knows his stuff.....
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that gave us that first abortion, I doubt that I'm even going to rent this one. By the looks of this talkback, I'm not the only one that feels this way. They could save a lot of money by not putting any film in the cameras and just releasing empty DVD cases to Walmart and Blockbuster.
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Not that matrixy shot of psycho bitch zombiefied Jean before she offed Chuck. No my friend, that shot was money.
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The first FF was a horrendous piece of amateurish shit that i couldnt even sit through. Really inexplicably horrible on several creative fronts. To think this movie has even a glimmer of hope means that there will need to be new writers, new director, new producers, a new cast (jessica Alba is all body), new effects teams, and for the love of god a new title. Is that not the gayest title ever? As soon as hollywood grows balls and stops producing shit according to marketing execs and gets back to artists making films then we can stop having this drivel shoved up our asses. Im all about superhero flicks as much as the next geek, but fuck lining up for some bullshit jsut because its some beloved classic title from our youth and then making excuses for subpar shit. <
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I enjoyed the first FF movie. A lot actually and I read FF comics since the mid 70s. My family liked it as well. I'm seeing this FF movie opening day.
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If you listen to writers Zack Penn and Simon Kinberg on Creative Screenwriting Magazine podcast they state that Rothman never wanted to do Dark Pheonix for X3 and felt Magneto was enough of a villian. He thought it'd be a bad idea to have Phoenix but the writers eventually won the battle saying he needed Dark Pheonix. Because thats what FANS wanted to see. We see now that Phoenix should have been saved for her own film. Whatever happened to guys like Robert Evans...producers who have opinions that actually make sense. Look at Avi Arad he made Raimi add Venom even though he didnt want to. Just because someone is a suit doesn't mean they dont want to make a good movie or have valid opinions. There fans as well. Leave Rothman alone already X3 was not all his doing. It was crap but it could have been alot worse. While I dont like Fantastic Four the movie maybe giving them Silver Surfer is better than Doctor Doom Electro Booglaoo.
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Harry has it pretty right there. Though they're obviously going to have to add in the surfer origin story as well, and find some way to get around that name (silver surfer sounds like a joke hero to a non-comics reader). The stories they are combining here are all good enough that even non-comic fans should read them, and they have a near operatic mythological feel that could pave the way for Thor to get the film treatment with an asgardian-themed story. Reread the ff trilogy a few years ago and was struck by how simple and sparse it seems now that we've become more accustomed to spread out sagas like lord of the rings (and not to mention the bloated sags now common in comics). The story itself had plenty of room for fleshing out, so the FF scripters would be wel-advised not to kitchen sink this story and just let the good stuff roll on its own.
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...so it's never going to play as well in the movies to adapt the story in which he steals the surfer's powers. We've already seen Doom shot power bolts from his hands and withstand the heat of a supernova. There was little if any sense he had limited powers. If in the first film he'd started flying, people would have just shrugged and said guess he can do that, too. The power stealing story worked because we'd seen Doom in the comics limited (if barely) by his ability to devise weapons. And it made him all the more scary when he got superpowers from someone else. So, having screwed up Doom in the first as well as this,they need to make sure they don't lose the dramatic power in the villain of Galactus -- the soul-searching planet killer, and in the Surfer himself, who starts as a villain and turns out to have a faustian back-story himself and is even more conflicted than Galactus. His story goes on to get even richer as he sacrifices himself for mankind and ends up wandering the earth and contemplating good and evil like some zen-alien vesion of kung-fu.
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Yeah, I said it, FF was a fun film about on a par with the first Spider-Man movie. It was not as good as Spidey 2, the X-Men trilogy, Daredevil or The Hulk, but better than Elektra, the Blade trilogy and The Punisher. At least Doom (who was handled fairly poorly in the script) looked like Doom, unlike the Green Goblin who looked lame.
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Needlessly Stupid Subtitle.
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Prepare yourself. I think you're about to have the Legions of Talkbackers descend upon you like Katrina on New Orleans.
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That is my all time dream..I always wanted Arcade and Murderworld "where nobody..(well maybe a few)has ever survived"..lol
That and an R rating for a spiderman movie for it...like I said (A dream)..Oh well
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Grow the fuck up fat boy.
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That is our word. For US. We NEED that word. Don't besmirch it with your lilly white lips. Unless, of course, you are a Mexican. In which case I apologize.
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the director and producers never cared about doing the first movie... PROOF: the first sweet shot of the human torch is a horizontal flipped shot WITH THE FOUR ON JOHNNY's CHEST BACKWARDS!!!! THEY DIDN'T CARE IN THE FIRST MOVIE... THEY WILL EQUALLY SCREW IT UP IN THE SECOND...
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No one needs that word, dude. It's a bad word no matter who says it. The only purpose that word served is to make gangsta rappers rich.
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At the time they were trying to cash on on the whole surfer rage of the 1960s...The Beach Boys, Frankie and Annette movies like "Beach Blanket Bingo" and the like...but that was when comics were for kids, so I can understand it. But it is terribly silly now the have a character that needs a big silver surfboard to fly around.
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I dont get it. Ive never read the comics so can someone explain to me why a silver alien rides a surfboard through space instead a spaceship?
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It's a metallic disc/board thing with various powers. It is shaped somewhat like a surfboard, which is why the people named him the surfer when he was first encountered.
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It was The Goblyn Queen. The zombified demonic clone of Jean Grey who called herself Madelyne Pryor. Had to be. She acted just like her. Didn't act anything like Jean Grey, as far as I could tell. Sounds like they'll probably follow the original Galactus storyline, with bits of the Dr. Doom vs. Silver Surfer issues mixed in. Maybe we'll even see Frankie Raye/Nova as well. Most likely it will be too busy and gloss over too many plot points, just like X-Men 3.
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Carrot Top for Arcade!
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And turn it into an out of place anti-Howard Rothman rant. Thought we'd seen the end of this shit with X3. Guess Rothman didn't send enough pwesents.
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I always liked the Silver Surfer, for some inane reason, probably because he could fly around in space, but not really until he got his own comic in the 80's. The surfer confined to Earth was bullocks! Oh, and "zathras34" that panel with the super-sized Sphinx coming out of the ground to take on Galactus was one of my favorite FF memories. Those FF stories from the 80's were my favorites, the Skrull-Kree war, etc. Ultimately, Marvel blew it with me in the early 90's with the Surfer and every other damn character they'd ever conceived of tied to that "Eternity Wars" B.S. (? or whatever the hell the gimmick was called that expected you to buy every last one of their comic books for months). I mean, come on, you had these major cosmic concept characters like "Infinity" fighting alongside Thor, the Surfer (OK) and, uh... Spider-Man? Whatever. Fortunately, by then, we had all these amazing titles coming out of Dark Horse (such as a genuine continuation of the Alien storyline), and others advancing the revolution in graphic novels and underground comix. But now, the turkeys have come home to roost, with Hollywood taking one giant over-hyped crap on our favorite comics after another. Think what you want, that FF coulda, woulda, shoulda been great if George Clooney and Naomi Watts were playing the leads, Whedon had directed, etc. But at this point, I'm convinced that there will NEVER be a comic book adaptation that's better than the book, and that goes for Sin City, The History of Violence, Ghost World, and all the other "serious" attempts. Why? Because comics are a superior medium. So are books without pictures, for that matter. Something to do with using your imagination. 'Nuff said.
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god someone with a higherIQ is reading this because for fucksake this shitty FFINO movie is going to bomb. I hope this fucking thing ruins Story and Rothmans ass plugging shit for brains career. These two ass wart humping fucktards need to die and leave this movie to someone who gives a shit.
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They need to change him to like the silver skater, or silver snow boarder.. maybe silver base jumper. Otherwise the kids will just be confused with this "surfing" nonsense
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god dam. the sixties were shit.
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What some ppl would post for attention...
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The Fantastic Four Battle Dr. Doom's Dingleberries wouldn't have been cheesier.
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Goes without saying. When Silver Surfer rises, Galactus comes. Huh...? What...?! OMG, you people have such dirty minds!! lol
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Why does he fly a metalic board thing. Wouldnta spacehship make more sense?
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Now thats a great movie bad guy. A nihilistic, Death worshipping, alien with a death wish for the whole universe. Not for survival, like Galactus, but for pleasure of it.
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Yeah, FUCK IT.
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I wonder if they'll bring Shalla-Bal to Earth as a love interest. VOMIT.
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Doesn't anyone in Hollywood - especially Rothman and FOX - realize that maybe, just maybe, if you do things right (coughHellboy/BatmanBegins/X-Mencough) the people that give a crap about the characters will be happy AND the people who are just going to see a movie might actually enjoy it too? And by that logic, do they realize that when people enjoy movies they see them more than once, then buy the DVD, which means the studios make MONEY??? Look at Batman Begins, that film owned, was quality and it made a lot of money. With FF we have Thing rescuing a cat out of a tree. Coincidentally, it made...less money. WTF? Corman's version had more balls. If Rothman hates these types of films (and he's said so publicly, if I recall correctly) he should sell the rights to a studio who gives a crap...isn't Paramount buying? Sorry, but this kind of mediocrity really really cheeses me off. Why make a movie with a built-in audience, and proceed to ignore and actively piss of that audience? It's disrespectful to the fans who spend the money; as is Reed Richards using his powers to solve a toilet paper crisis. If Franklin or that fucking H.E.R.B.I.E. show up in a film that SHOULD have Galactus I will be...displeased.
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She-Hulk, Franklin, and H.E.R.B.I.E... what did that stand for, btw? Anybody know? Or were they just riding on Disney's living Volkswagon's popularity at that point?
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I have collected comics since the mid eighties starting with Daredevil and progresssing further. Anyway, the market is going to be saturated with subpar comic book movies making none of them anything special. Daredevil movie was the herald of that. Spiderman and x-men were doing huge business and Daredevil totally deflated my expectations of comic book movies. I haven't seen original FF movie and will probably only catch it on cable. It just looked bad. Besides it seems like the FF were never really updated from the 60's sort of campiness to something more modern today in both comic and movie (oh we're the superhero family). Maybe I just grew up in a different time than FF fans. Anyway, with this movie, Ghost Rider, Iron Man, Hulk 2 or whatever and the plethora of other comic movies handled by mid grade directors I am not expecting much quality. I heard Ghost Rider was directed by Daredevil's director and even with Nicolas Cage that doesn't bode well.
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Rise Surfer! Rise! Catch the Galactic Wave summer 2007!
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may not work in film.
Can you guys see a super cheesed up, technologically advanced, engined boosters surf board?
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Did anyone else read that rumor for the next Superman? That series is just going to keep going in a circle.
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Fantastic, marveltastic, Reed Richards' dick like plastic, he fight de Silver Surfer who's causin' a ruck, then go home to Jess Alba - now there's a fantastic fuck! Johnny Storm's a prick coz he can go on fire, kick Doom in the balls and make his voice go higher. The Thing's got no asshole, how the hell does he excrete? And how does he fuck Alicia with a cock like concrete?
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That Galactus short was better than all of FF1. Thanks for the linkage.
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bunch of asses just put their comments in, maybe someone like me explained why. The surfer rides a surfboard because when he chose to save his planet and become galactus' herald, he was given the power cosmic and used a surfboard because it was a childhood fantasy of his. And as for those saying it's cheesy. Say it again if they show the surfer owning earth's armed forces. Disintegrating them. Yes he can be scary.
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possibly be? Doesn't sound like a good idea. He's a character, not a MacGuffin. If they're going the boring route where he's an alien that has no real persona, he's just a plot device. Also, it's a real shame Doom is returning so soon after what they did to him in the 1st film. They're not even giving the audience time to wash out the bad taste it left.
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overly serious and realistic. A character like the Silver Surfer will seem out of place and stupid if you're not making a fantasy film, but another "realism" turdtacular.
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The only think FF1 really got wrong was Doom. And there was not enough action. From a characterization standpoint, though, the 4 were spot on.
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Fantastic Four 2: Surfer's Up.
Fantastic Four 2: Chrome Dome and Doom
Fantastic Four 2: Silver TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN Surfer
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