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Japanese Trailer For Clint Eastwood's FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS / RED SUN, BLACK SAND Online!!
One trailer...for two Clint Eastwood directed/Steven Spielberg produced World War II films...has been posted by Warner Bros' Japanese website.
The trailer encompasses THE FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS and RED SUN, BLACK SAND -- both of which will release later this year.
Paul Haggis/William Broyles Jr. scripted FLAGS (based on the book by James Bradley and Ron Powers), while Iris Yamashita wrote RED SUN based on Haggis' story.
The two movies tell the story of The Battle of Iwo Jima back in World War II; FLAGS from an American perspective and RED SUN from the Japanese perspective. This trailer suggests a size of project grander than any Eastwood undertaking I can recall (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here), as well as a decidedly un-Eastwoodian visual style (heavily diluted colors, often bordering on black and white).
BATMAN fans should note that Ken Watanabe will star in RED SUN. He was Ra's al Ghul in BATMAN BEGINS. I particularly loved his work in LAST SAMURAI -- its nice to see him getting some high-profile parts.
CLICK HERE TO JUMP TO THE TRAILER!!!
FLAGS OF OUR FATHERS will be released in America and Japan this October. RED SUN, BLACK SAND will arrive in both countries this December.
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i want them to be good...
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I'm not sure about Flags, at all! Red Sun looks ok though.
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...for an English language version.
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When I heard about Flags I thought it sounded somewhat noble an idea but once I heard about Red Sun and how he was shooting that and putting them out around the same time, then I was impressed. Very rare that a filmmaker can honestly show two sides of the conflict but doing two films showing each side respectively is a very impressive undertaking and at this point, Clint can basically do whatever the hell he wants so more power to him.
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Same idea about Pearl Harbor. Two directors...Richard Fleischer and Kinji Fukasaku. Fleischer did the American side and Kinji did the Japanese side. But it was one movie. It intercut between the two. Good movie. Had heart. Kinji Fukasaku also directed Battel Royal.
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Aug 15, 2006 9:13:47 AM CDT
What if one of the movies rocks and the other one sucks
by wacksonwacksoff
Awwwwwkward!
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Are you sure they haven't changed the name of the Japanese version? You can see the English titles written very small above the Japanese writing. The first says "Flags of our Fathers" but the second says "Letters From Iwo Jima"
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Here in Korea "Saving Silvermen" was called "Evil Woman"
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Yeah, too bad.
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Fukasaku did a good job.
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Yeah, that's what the called Vin Diesel's THE PACIFIER in German speaking countries. Just to prove that Drworm2002 is indeed right.
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after being battered over the head the head by the neocon press, for is ultra liberal(in thier eye) Million Dollar baby, he is making the maost patriotic film of his career. and then to divert criticism about being overly patriotic Clint has made a film that lot have been wanting to see. For a long time history has been filmed mainly through american eyes especially war movies. So for the first time we have american film maker making a movie through japanese eyes. we movie audiences in ireland/england have wanting hollywood to do this for considerable period of time. If Red sand doesnt do well in the us it will possibly do better over here.
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...in a long time. This is a very ambitious and deep piece of work. I can't see how this won't be the frontrunner come Oscar time.
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Fellers, I think we are in for one hell of an undertaking here. This could either solidify Clint as one of the finest directors ever, or it could be considered a disaster, but let me say that I think it is the former, not the latter. Hell of an idea, if you ask me...I'm even digging the color palate. Part of me is more interested in seeing Red Sun, Black Sand, because I want to see how Clint puts it all together from the Japanese side of things. Now after he wins multiple oscars for this, maybe he can do another smaller film where he shoots criminals in the head with a .44 Magnum. Between that, and the upcoming Dirty Harry game which looks to be a complete reimagining of things...Sign me on.
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Entertainment Weekly referred to the second movie under this title too.
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It was Liam Neeson, dammit. Geeks around the world shake their head at you.
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I hope they are good.
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I'm just now getting over World War I.
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The story from EW is right here: http://tinyurl.com/fmhmn And they DO refer to the second one as LETTERS FROM IWO JIMA.
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They must make it hard to pick up the camera. Million Dollar Baby had all the subtlety of a Carrot Top routine. Then again, it was a model of restraint compared to Mystic River.
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That he has taken on such an ambitious project, I just wish that wanker Haggis wasn't involved, the US film will probably be ruined by his need to smash everything over the audiences head, rather than use some subtlety, credit us with a little intelligence, tosser. The Japanese one should be a lot better as that twat isn't writing the script (shame its still his story though).
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ps. Watanabe rules!
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just watch
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I am not a fan of Clint's recent output [Million Dollar Baby] But this looks to be the stand out flick of the fall. The music is superb http://k105.blogspot.com/
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As I understand it the US view is first then the Japanese. Perhaps the intention is to set it up as heroic, glorious, and a tough fight for the U.S. and then when the Japanese version hits, we are hit with the notion that the Japanese had it tougher, were more heroic, were more courageous, were people too, and that the real story was theirs. ...just like Star Wars was really the story of Darth Vader. yeah, that's it.
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I can only pray to God you're being sarcastic.
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No sarcasm at all. If the story was about 20,000 Americans defending for a month against 100,000 enemies who outgunned them horribly. If it was about Americans fighting on when no retreat or negotiation was possible to defend their home soil, to defend their families, who'd be the heroes to you then? Good stories of human strength and courage don't come draped in flags.
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Looks really good, I'll be first in line for both. Props to Eastwood for trying something like this. Whoever is in charge of the World of Warcraft project should consider this approach.
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Little help?
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I knew a vet who was at Iwo Jima. He is now a retired doctor but at the time was a field medic. He talked about how he was watching them take the famous picture, picking out the people to be in it, practicing and getting it just right. Doesn't take away from the intensity of the fighting or the sacrifices they made but I hope they don't shoot the film as if this was some miraculous and cool moment accidentally caught on film. It was an awesome looking PR stunt that was very much needed both for the folks at home but more importantly for the young men who fought in that battle.
That said, I hope this forces a REAL green light for HBO's follow up to Band of Brothers, the series called "Pacific War." Crossing fingers. -
...As much as I'm looking forward to both films, I dread the talkbacks they will spawn.
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What's the deal with this? Ever since Speilberg did it now every movie that is suppose to be "gritty" has to have washed out colors. You have a whole spectrum of beautiful colors to bring home the brutality of war and you choose to make it look like a worn out VHS tape? I don't get it. What a shame.
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My history may be a little rusty but I seem to recall that they attacked us. Or did I forget something?
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**Good stories of human strength and courage don't come draped in flags.
I'm glad you said that because it's a sentiment Eastwood & Haggis understand only too well. Don't let the fact that the film has the word 'Flags' in the title deceive you into thinking this is guts n' glory heroics. This is a very, very tough movie about what the battle and that famous photograph did to those men's lives. It's going to surprise a lot of people. -
Does anyone know how long these movies are planning to be? I was think around the 2 hour mark. If that is the case then I'm very impressed with Clint. I'll wait to see the movies before I judge them but he is a good directer. I didn't care for MDB but Mystic River was fucking amazing. Too bad it came out the same year as ROTK.
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**Raising the Flag was "faked"
No it wasn't. The marines were ordered to take up a replacement flag because the first was judged to be too small and because the Marines wanted the first flag saved for posterity. There was nothing staged or faked about the second flag raising - as has been well documented over the years. Oh, and btw, BOTH flag-raisings are shown in the movie. -
So if a nation is the aggressor in a war, its soldiers and civilians are not entitled to have moving or heroic stories? This then would apply to the current Iraq War too? No US soldier is allowed to be heroic in that conflict? Maybe you meant something more along the lines of 'We're good. Everyone else is evil. Evil can't be heroic.'
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I simply meant that you sound like a pinko.
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that Eastwood is going to be taken to task by pundit shills on the radio and on Fox News for even daring to tell the Iwo Jima story from the enemy POV.
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Lots of people have touching stories that could be told about them. Monster told a very moving story about Aileen Wuornos. Downfall told a nice story about Hitler. Just because you can tell a nice, moving story about someone doesn't mean they deserve your sympathy. And in terms of the Japanese in WWII, I'm not condemning civilians and other innocent bystanders, only the people who condoned their actions in the first place. I should have made that clear in the beginning.
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There was more color film used in the pacific so why are they washing it out even more than SPR.
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I suggest, Garbageman33, that you reserve your hatred and anger for the generals who orchestrated the invasion of Manchuria. After that, the Japanese were caught in a cyclone that would inevitably lead them to war with the US. Sure the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor but it was the US policy of embargo and supporting the Chinese that left the Japanese (they felt) with no choice. The U.S. knew full well that their actions would force the Japanese to go to war with them too. US foreign policy was neither naive nor innocent in the Pacific. That doesn't fault the US but I think it colours the Japanese more correctly. They were scared, desperate, and without other options once they were embroiled in the war with China.
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All I said is that I don't have sympathy for them. Doesn't mean I have hatred either.
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I was well aware of "Flags of our Fathers", but I don't know how I missed that he was doing a second film, and releasing them close together. How did he even find time to do two movies so quickly!
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Malcolm, you said 'They (the Japs) were scared, desperate, and without other options once they were embroiled in the war with China.
That's bullshit. Japan was in the grip of an extremist military and had been since the early 1930's. Japanese society was deeply racist and xenophobic and took the view that all non-Japanese races were literally sub-human and were to be treated accordingly. Japan's military adventurism was not a defensive reaction to US policy. Japan was a fascist regime bent on the conquest of its neighbours and like Hitler's Germany it had to be confronted and defeated by the allied democracies as quickly as possible. I'm perfectly happy to agree there were decent Japanese soldiers (although it's worth pointing out that there are many Iwo Jima veterans who to this day cannot forgive the Japanese for the savagery with which they fought, e.g., shooting at medics trying to help the wounded, pretending to surrender and then detonating grenades, the wholesale mutilation of enemy bodies, etc) but nontheless, don't you dare try and extend that sympathy on an individual level to the country as a whole. -
...Malcolm, you could have just said that there was bravery and heartbreak on both sides and that would have been fine, but you had to go and paint Imperial Japan as being "forced" into a war with America -- as if their policies in Asia didn't warrant America's embargo and support for Nationalist China. I swear, nine times out of ten when you hear these people talking about the suffering, bravery and anguish on both sides of the war, they always end up making the Axis powers sound more noble or victimized than the Allies. It's almost never just about the suffering, bravery and anguish, rather these are used as tools to facilitate a morally relativistic view of the conflict.
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To reiterate what someone said above, Ken Watanabe was NOT Ra's Al Ghul, Liam Neeson was. Watanabe was basically the equivalent of Ra's henchman Ubu.
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Wile the emphasis in WWII was placed on what might have happened if the nazis won, too little thought is given to what a possible Japanese Empire might have looked like if not for the US. I suspect we'd be dealing a malevolent Japanesed World Power now, that would've outlasted the Soviet Evil Empire. It was the Japanese that actually came closer to World Domination, not Germany. The Nazis were doomed bofore the US ever got involved. When Hitler moved against Russia it was over.
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Yes the Japanese were racist. So were the Chinese and Americans and most peoples. Yes the Japanese had some cruel policies but I think it is important to remember that these are just people caught up in events. Likening it again to modern times, would you advocate that the people of the Middle East should view Americans as Imperialist, racist, aggressors who seek to conquer them? That is how many of their governments would love to portray the American people. G.I. Joe is not in Baghdad though because he wants to conquer the Middle East, spread Paris Hiltonism, and get free oil. He's there because he is doing duty for his country and his comrades. Soldiers fight because their friends are fighting and they are all there for political reasons well beyond their control. The heroics by the Japanese at Iwo Jima are legitimate heroics and are not diminished by geopolitics.
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Its been way too long since the last one. The roughest fighting wasnt in europe fellas. I can not wait for these films.
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With your reasoning there is no moral compass whatsoever, since everyone "are just people caught up in events". With that outlook, every single instance of human progress on this planet has been the result of a fluke rather than people working together to try to find out what works and doesn't for the good of all mankind. In fact, with your reasoning, there is no incentive to improve anything at all. After all, what can we do if we're just "caught up in events"? You're relieving Imperial Japan of reponsibility for their politics of mass murder, torture, rape, enslavement and oppression.
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Its sad that in Japanese culture it is suppressed by society. "dont talk about bad things" they say. Don't expect this either film to show Japanese soldiers using civilians for bayonet practice as their wives are being raped. I love the Japanese and what they can do for good in the world. but man, when they take all that energy and collective will that made them an economic superpower, and use it for evil, it can be a horrible horrible thing.
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I might be more excited about these two films than anything else this fall. It looks great. And I just love the idea of telling both sides - especially with Ken Watanabe. I think it's stupid to get into arguments about WWII. The Japanese have no illusions about their role in that war. Why do you think they have been pacifists ever since? But they are a rich, fascinating culture that I have grown to love just through their movies. If this is half as good as I think it is, it will be an event. And who better than Eastwood to do it?
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One of the soldiers who raised the flag was a Native American, Ira Hayes. He returned to America after the war & his accomplishment were nothing more than his 15 minutes of fame. He returned to his reservation & became a drunk. Sad story. And yes, before anyone calls me out, I only know this from listening to the Johnny Cash song a million times.
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"The Japanese have no illusions about their role in that war." ..... Really? Maybe you should see what the Japanese school books say about Japan's involvement in the war. The government still refuses to acknowledge the Rape of Nanking for example. Their pacifism has more to do with wanting to avoid the suffering inflicted upon them in WWII rather than the suffering they inflicted upon other nations.
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Certainly not. There are individuals and collectives at fault and they manage to convince some otherwise good people to do heinous things. I don't think the Japanese population was 95% evil like some would have us believe. People are generally good and soldiers have wives, sweethearts, and children that they want to go home to. Societies are so large, oppressive, and pervasive though that our modern princes can wield great power with those beneath really, yes, caught up in events. When German Guard #37 is ordered to push wretched and hungry people onto railway cars, it really isn't a viable option for him to say 'no!' as much as we'd like to think it is. When people do resist their own immoral governments we call them heroes. I don't think that gives us the right to call those who do not resist them 'evil'. Those governments don't appear so evil from the inside but they certainly appear impregnable.
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Yeah, welcome to the postmodern world, my friend
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I'm not so much referring to individuals as entire governments, ideologies and systems of thought. Arguably there are both good and evil people in all countries, but there are also very clear-cut instances of ideological struggles where the victory of one side over the other has a very real effect in terms of moving us forward or plunging us into darkness. WWII was probably the most defined struggle of this type, even though the democracies of the 1940s weren't as democratic as they are today.
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You know guys, I'm guessing that none of you were around during World War II and few if any of you are Chinese or Korean, for example, (and, guess what, they suffered a lot more from the Japanese than the U.S. did, a LOT more), and since AICN isn't exactly known as a major forum for debating historians, how about everyone cool off and back down? BTW, I'm half Japanese and half Korean, and my family members have found a way to be civil and get over everything, and discuss things intelligently, so how about why don't you guys try to do the same thing.
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You know guys, I'm guessing that none of you were around during World War II and few if any of you are Chinese or Korean, for example, (and, guess what, they suffered a lot more from the Japanese than the U.S. did, a LOT more), and since AICN isn't exactly known as a major forum for debating historians, how about everyone cool off and back down? BTW, I'm half Japanese and half Korean, and my family members have found a way to be civil and get over everything, and discuss things intelligently, so how about why don't you guys try to do the same thing.
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That is all.
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love it when political and/or ideological debates break out on the boards. stick to "firsts" bitches.
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... its international law
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...and a political forum broke out. Ok, I know me and Malcolm kinda started this whole ideological discussion, but I have neither the time nor the inclination to debate good guys vs. bad guys. I just hope this movie handles the ideas of heroism and nobility more delicately than they've been handled in the talkback. Then again, Paul Haggis and delicate don't usually appear in the same sentence. Let alone the same movie.
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was an extra on Flags of our fathers in Iceland, was there for 30 days, the entire shoot, 95% of the fighting was shot there, i was present and both flag raisings, the invasion and most of the fighting, it sent shivers down my spine just to see us in action, i bet i could even find myself i could slow it down...
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People are still saying such fag-ass faggory???
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When they're being sarcastic. Do people still not get sarcasm? Only dumb people I imagine.
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Cool!! That measn you can watch the most interesting movies made today by the two most interesting countries that make movies today, and in their original language to booth! That's so cool!
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.... is notmaly not handled very well. The pinko remark, if sarcasm, was terribly done...and no, i very, very, very , very much doubt that was sarcasm. And it was the most fag-ass faggot faggory i have seen of a long time in a public forum! Commies under the bed ended a long time ago. and wanting to see a movie that also shows the japaneses in WWII as also heroic and human beings is not about politics, it's common sense.
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.... pretty good trailer, can't wait to see the movie.
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...and its myriad of derivations went out. "Hmm, I want to really insult this guy on a movie talkback. How about I call him a homosexual. Yeah. That's what I'll do. Lord knows there's nothing worse than being a homosexual."
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I realize I should probably leave you alone. It's kinda like playing basketball against a Special Olympian. I could ring up about 132 unanswered points on you and it'd be fun while I was doing it. But in the end, I'd just end up feeling bad about picking on someone so obviously over-matched. But just out of curiosity, what are "the japaneses"? Are they like the Osbournes?
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"Flags of Our Fathers" was fantastic. I am hopeful that Mr. Eastwood does it justice but I have a feeling because he is involved, the movie will be great. I am also impressed Mr. Eastwood elected to do a film from the Japanese POV. I just hope the movies contain ACCURATE portrayals of the events.
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Being called stupid. (oh, and i love how you are pulling the "i'm so oh politically correct" card. Word to the wise: Leave the liberalism to those that truly are, buster!). Let us all pretent we are more civil people then we truly are and stop right here, shall we? And yes, calling somebody a pinko NOWDAYS is stupid beyond words! Anyway, trailer is great, movie tells tales of horrible war from both sides of the conflict, Clint Easthood directing, Ken Watanabe stars, colour me very very very impressed and interested. ------ P.S.: Ken Watanabe and Liam Neeson were both Ra's Al Ghul, the idea in the movie being (and not even presented subtly, i might add, the movie points it out trice during it's running time), that when men makes themselves bigger then men, they became a legend, and that's what Ra's Al Ghul was also, a legend perpetrated and perpectuated first by Ken Wanatabe's character and then by his second in comand, Liam Neeson's character, when the former died, thus keeping the legend alive. And really, it was not all that subtle, the movie just doesn't hammer the thing in the head like it would in, say, a Michael "Fucking Talentless Piece Of Shit" Bay movie.
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is stupid beyond words. sorry for meddling, just had to say it.
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Weirdest question i have read for, like, years!! Japaneses, aka, people that are born, native, or citizens of Japan? Ah well, who cares about this? And yes, the germans deserved our sympathy for what they passed through WWII too. Germans, japaneses, italians, british, french, chinese, koreans, australians, newzelanders, polish, russians, belgians, the dutchs, the norwegians, finnish, etc, etc, etc.... why? Because you generalise if you name a whole people, and like reality, there's no evil people. Evil leaders, syure, but evil people that should all of them to be blamed for everything bad that went in a war? This is the 21th century, buster, wise up from such small-mindness, will ya? What's next, you will tell that all arabs are terrorists? Grow up, will ya?
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He said it exactly like he mean it, and now he's doing a terrible job at trying to cover his ass for the faux pas he did in a public forum. Pulling the "politically correct" card was pretty hillarious.
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Avoiding the talkbacks from here on in.
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Seriously, just stop typing. Please. Do we have to do an intervention? "ArkadyRenko, you know we love you, right? That's why we think you should stay off the talkbacks. We're just worried that you're gonna get hurt."
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*rolls eyes*. Next time, i'll say The American to mention the collective people of USA. But Garbageman33, no amount of ass covering you try to do and to keep on trying to put the heat on me will ever erase the fact you said "pinko" in this time and age as an atempt at insult to the other fella that professed a more, shall we say, humanistic view of the world then you do. You are too late for that. Now scram!
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...as a non-native English-speaking person, you should probably recognize your obvious limitations when it comes to nuances. Hell, ColonelBlimp is Norwegian and even he got the sarcasm. By the way, getting upset about "pinko" and following it with "fag-ass faggory" isn't doing much for your cause.
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A WW2 movie about how Great Britan stood alone for years against the Nazis I think there are too many untold stories about heroic conflicts that actually happened a long time before America decided to take notice. I know most big American studios would not finance such a project but I know the British film industry could finance a movie about true heros, like they did in the past with Zulu etc, it just all seems to be American shit all the time like the war only began when Japan attacked them..and dont even get me started on the Japs..their leaders are still apologising to this day for thier treatment of POW during the war...they were evil bastards for sure.
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Statues or not, he is a crappy writer.
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And lets blame the studios from OTHER countries that we get these over-Americanized views of history. Everyone bitches that American war movies have too much emphasis on American involvement. Well, DUH, Forrest. I would love to see more British movies...Dunkirk, Dieppe, African campaigns, Battle of Britain, the war against the U-boats, etc. British studios get off your asses and give us these!
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its funny you say that because next monday I will be an extra in the movie Atonement with Kiera Knightly. iam going to be part of a 1000 man retreat of Dunkirk with the help of cgi to turn us into 30.000, its all happening in Redcar in the north of England. But its not a war movie its a dark tale set around the era leading up to the war, but I have to agree with you, we need to stop making stupid fucking rom coms for women starring Hugh fucking Grant and begin financing true stories about heros of a bygone era.
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momma said stupid is that stupid dose you cheeky cunt!
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As long as we're telling "both sides" in films now, why not: EMPIRE OF THE SUN: I WAS A JAPANESE PRISON GUARD. Or ALEXANDER: THE PERSIAN PERSPECTIVE.......LAST OF THE MOHICANS: THE HURON STORY....... BRAVEHEART: I WAS A GAY BRITISH PRINCE UNTIL MY DAD THREW ME OUT THE WINDOW. And so forth. Take it away...
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I HAD A GAY SON, UNTIL I THREW HIS ASS OUT THE WINDOW.
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this looks like both films are just gonna be competing with each other for best picture come oscar time. eastwoods incredible
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Willing to listen and accept notions from all sides. Just look at, Mystic River, Million Dollar Baby, and these two flicks. Clearly he's an open-minded conservative. A try rarity these days. Both films look sensational by the way. Can't wait. The only reason Watanabe won't win best actor is Ryan Gosling. Plus the only reason Paul Walker (yes I said Paul Walker) and Adam Beach won't win best supporting is Jack Nicholson's performance in The Departed. Shit! They embroildered Jack's name on the Oscar once they learned Jack got the role. It's gonna be a great fall everyone!
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Good point. Add to that the country of Denmark. Lots of things happening long before US got involved.
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all got what they deserved. Empire building motherf%#&ers. It's called KARMA. Well, I guess the Brits got off easy. The Yanks are reaping what they sowed as we speak. Doesn't make it a good thing. It's only they way things eventually pan out.
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How's that for Japanese perspective?
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How does that explain the Rape of Nanking? Rape of Philippines? Rape of Korea?
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If you're where I think you're from, then decades spent fancying yourselves the conscience of the world has put you into the economic, social and moral decline your currently experiencing since you've been indoctrinated into an absolute fear of voting the ruling party out of office, despite the fact that they're the ones responsible for running, among other things, your education system into the ground. It's not called "the world's only one-party democracy" for nothing. Good luck next month.
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God, I HATE when I do that...
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Go to AltaVista and do an image search for "nanking" if you want a taste of what the Japanese did there.
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You're all over the place in literally EVERY talkback on this site. aint't that a little weird? Maybe it's time to do something productive instead of jabbering about the Japanese atrocities. we all know they were bad and you guys saved the world. Now go to sleep.
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Another heroic feel good American movie, don't get me wrong I love american cinima/war movies, Platoon is in my top 3 war movies of all time. its just that there is so much more to tell, so many more heroic facts that happend and it really pisses me off that ignorant fucking studio bosses will not green light them because they do not feature the Americans. Because of the lack of true heroic conflicts american screen writers had the cheek to take a true story of Brits capturing the Enigma machine and turned it into heroic fucking tale about U.S soldiers instead. In the piece of shit U-571. I think this movie has got potential it has a gritty feel to it like all good war films should, but to base the basis of a movie around lifting a fucking flag, I get the feeling that they are scraping the barrel, when it is not needed.
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By my count, I've posted in five of the TBs on the front page, of which two I only posted once in. That's not as weird as keeping stats on talkbackers.
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I'm sick of all these USA RAH RAH WWII crap shitted out of the assholes of masurbating hollywood execs, what i RATHER want is a hardcore film on the largest armored AND aircraft battle in the history of the homosapien race: The battle of Kursk (1943). After the tragedy at Stalingrad and a brilliant counteroffensive maneuver at Kharkov that stabilized the southern front in Russia, the battle of Kursk was to pinch out a large bulge around the Kursk city, 2/3 of ALL OF THE LUFTWAFFE in RUSSIA were thrown into the battle, preliminnary bombardment before the battle EVEN STARTED shook the german corps, STALIN's spy ring new the exacct SECOND the battle would start, they had months to dig earthworks, mines, annd fucking LAYERS of defense lines, soviet tacticcsc had their artillery PAK guns fire at one germann tank at a time vaporizing it, hardcore waffen-ss were at the tip of the german offensive into this hell, the southern facec of the battle at Prokharovka had so much smoke from all the explosionsn that tanks fuckccing RAMMMED into each other without seeing shit, the skies were gray from the mass of aircraft, if germanyn, annd only germany can make this film after Der Untergang, it hAS to be on kursk from w-ss perspecctive. The training for waffen-ss was so tough, only 2/3 of all trainees passed, they were fucking robots, of course to not make it overly naziish,they could base it on a true story of a soldier who questions his ideology andn shit but oh how this battle would make Private Ryan's D-Day look like a afucking BEACH TEA PARTY. make it so!
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with talkbacks, it's hard to explain..I'll try it be quoting you:"...I was hoping that surely in a talkback like this the conspiratards would have the decency to give their shit a rest," or this one"...As much as I'm looking forward to both films, I dread the talkbacks they will spawn." you see? you're reacting emotionally before you're entering a fucking talkback. like normal people would do before they enter a city, or a club or whatever, you express your hopes or fears when you go a website. I just thought that was a little strange. and I was also a bit intrigued when you called me "the devil" are you some god-fearing jehovas whitness or just a regular guy?
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no matter what simply becuase its written by Haggis. You guys like to hold a grudge against your whipping boy.
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Its science people, ya can't argue with it.
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It said Letters from Iwo Jima or some such thing. What the fuck is that all about?!?!?!
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Okay so big whoop, i didn't read all the tb's before, wanna fight about it?
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Clint will steal all of Scorsese's glory come Oscar time.
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...We wouldn't have Godzilla. Stomping the Japanese flat since 1954.
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Aug 15, 2006 9:04:33 PM CDT
I wonder how the box office for each film will compare.
by excaliburffolkes
Will one be higher than the other, or will they end up about the same. As for awards, will each movie get nominated seperately or jointly as one? If they are nominated seperately, will they cancel each other out in the voting?
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Just curious... talk about getting some ugly perspective on the Japaneses.
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"Japaneses" was a joke.
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If they had followed through and launched Godzilla on Our eastern shore, we would have been seriously fucked.
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(just to clarify). Watanabe was the impostor. I must leave now. LAUS DEO
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BUT AICN writers are held to a higher standard and must have these mistakes rubbed in their faces. My bad, nugs.
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I hear ya, it would be nice to see more WWII films from other perspectives besides Americans. The problem? It's a catch-22 for Hollywood. Usually when they make a film from another POV (Cross of Iron, Enemy At The Gates) it angers the nation that is featured in it. In fact, some people such as Jean-Luc Godard think that Hollywood should NEVER make a film about another country because they always screw up the history for dramatic purposes. And it's no secret why Hollywood makes war films from the US perspective, because they're aimed at a US audience. Just like how Bollywood makes films about Indians. Or Hong Kong about people who live there. While I think Cross of Iron is underrated, I think most Hollywood attempts at showing the other side just ends up pissing off the nation that is depicted. Maybe Clint will prove this wrong.
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Please. Shut the fuck up. You're complaining about Americans being too jingoistic on the talkback for a major American studio doing BOTH SIDES of Iwo Jima?!! How fucking stupid is that? You don't have much of a chip on your shoulder, do you? Nah. And LOL, out comes U571!!!! As always! It never fucking fails! How long are the Brits gonna' whine about that? Someone else said it, make your own goddamn war films if so many great stories are being ignored. And another thing - this is based on a fantastic book, which takes the microcosm of this small group of "flag raisers" and tells the story of what happened to them afterwards. Let me tell ya', none of it good or rah-rah. It's a snapshot. Why isn't that a good story? You don't tell stories about entire armies or wars, just a piece of it. So, maybe you should read the book before you decide it's not a worthy story. Or wait until there's actual EVIDENCE of American arrogance instead of the exact opposite. Unbelievable...
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From his review of "The Thin Red Line":
"Still, one leaves the theater bemused by what seems to be a universal law: While most war films are 'anti-war,' they are always anti-war from the point of view of the winning side. They say, 'War is hell, and we won.' Shouldn't anti-war films be told from the point of view of the losers? War was hell, and they lost." -
Isn't a "war is hell" message more effective when it comes from the victor? Yeah, we won, but look how ugly it was and the price that was paid. Of course war is hell for the losing side, that doesn't make as much of a point. I read a great quote recently that said nobody wins a war, one side just loses faster. Or it could be said, runs out of people.
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I thought Eastwood directed Absolute Power.. There was a Japanese waiter scene in the film taking somebody's order at a restaurant struggling with the language barrier, stereotyped beyond belief. Let's hope Eastwoods "perspective" on the Japanese has refined since then. Personally, I can't wait to see the film(s).
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Two movies, one showing each side. One of the bloodest battles in the pacific campaign. That trailer just looks so breathtaking and epic. I cant wait to see both. I also hope that they at one point in both movies have like a crossover scene...where the same scene is in both movies, but shown from the two different perspectives. That would be an interesting concept i don't believe has been attempted before in movie history, which i guess goes the same for the entire concept of both movies. It is also good to see Neal McDonough as a WW2 soldier again, as he did a great job as Buck Compton in "Band of Brothers".
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The "devil" thing was a reference to something someone posted early in the Jaws Maquette talkback. If you had read the TB before posting there yourself, you would have seen that.
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Well, you got me there. For better or for worse I am voting for change. Still our system of proportional elections (which your country share I believe) is prone to this stagnant behaviour from a superficial standpoint, it is far superior to the bipolar majority system. But I digress. We have Japan to thank for Communist China and that is no small feat in the Haool of Shit. Here's hoping Eastwood won't flinch in describing just how nasty they WERE. Although infuriatingly forgetful of their past misdeeds they are now a wonderful and peaceful people and I am proud to say I have many friends over there. Like all cultures they have positives as well as negatives . Since I firmly believe that cultures have no self worth as a whole but rather as aspects of a greater good I am more than willing to promote any influnces they may have on my life as well as the Western Civilization (which they certainly are a part of).
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Det har sina f
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I know I was ranting on last night in my talk back, but I was drunk, sorry for bringing up U-571. In fact fuck it!, Iam not sorry for bringing it up again its a valid point that needs adressing by ignorant people, but it was only part of my point. I was not trying to dismiss this story as somthing of unimportance, the main point I was trying to make was that there are many more untold stories out there with tales of unimaginable courage and heroics...Americans included, but we always seem to have the same shit based around a certain point in the war. What about the years before the USA got involved?
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careful- you have pricked REBECK's sense of nationalism. He does have a point about this film though- it is an impartial attempt based on a great book. BTW- there are loads of films (albeit older) that are war films and don't feature America- The Dambusters for example. The fact remains, at the moment the British Industry is in such a mess that they need American funding- and therefore are not going to relate parts of history that do not feature America, because they are not going to risk marginalising the biggest market. It's just common sense.
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Want someone to blame? Throw a rock in the air and you'll hit someone guilty. Every country in the world is guilty of some atrocity or another, and I think Americans are the last people on this planet to be criticising other countries for war crimes (particularly ones that happened two generations ago). Here's my advice -- wait until you see the fucking movies before you pass judgement on what Eastwood has done. Considering what he did with Unforgiven and Million Dollar Baby, I trust Eastwood will give us the goods. Do you really think he'll do what Spielberg did with the ending of Saving Private Ryan? ;-)
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I did notice it had something to do with these 'too soon' posters. it just didn't make any sense. Are you really getting worked up about someone who writes 'too soon'? that's what i mean when I say you should leave these talkbacks alone for awhile. it'd be good for your health.
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*sigh*... I have never, nor will I ever, get upset about someone writing "too soon". Where do you get this crap from? I made a cursory reference to someone else's post. Do yourself a favor and stop taking things so literally. You're starting to sound like ArkadyRenko.
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Are too often overlooked, mostly because the most heinous happened to other Asians and the nazis were worse. The Japanese got off a little easy because they had the good fortune to be committing atrocities at the same time as the Germans. Of course, Asian on Asian crime is easy for the west to marginalize, regardless of when it takes place. Thank God we have a current administartion comitted to getting rid of these bastards, regardless of the color of their skins.
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Making one movie from the Alliance's point of view and one for the Horde....both factions deserve their due in this one.
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he is a libertarian go read this.
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oh wait yeah, The guy not worthy of the talkbacks because he didn't get the nuances of the English language (nuance and English, isn't that a contradiction in terms?) since it was not his primary language..lol Docpazuzu and Garbageman: it"s high school all over again, only the nerds became the bullies. No wonder you spend your days and nights here.
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The proper term for the people living in Japan is "Japanese" not "Japaneses". English... it's a nice language when not being butchered by an arrogant dweeb. And to berate someone for calling you a "Pinko" (saractically I might add) by flinging "Fag" back at them must be the height of boorish behavior. Get the tiniest inkling of a clue, willya?
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You may think that everyone on these talkbacks is American, but unfortunately, this is not the case. So for some people English is not as easy as it is for you. what a surprise, heh? You're pointing out that it is 'Japanese', not 'Japaneses'. how smart of you. (didn't someone else already did that a few posts above you? in fact everything you said(the whole pinko thing etc, haha) has already been said on this talkback. I'd love to hear you speak another language besides your precious English.
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Wish I could see the damned trailer though! ** Folks, try reading Peter Bergamini's fascinating "Japan's Imperial Conspiracy." This is a short cut n' paste about PB and the book: "David Bergamini tells how Hirohito and the imperial family plotted the war against the West and how the Emperor himself led his nation through it. Mr. Bergamini, a Rhodes Scholar, who was raised in the Orient and speaks and reads Japanese, spent six years in research for this book. In addition to hundreds of hours of interviews, he read hundreds of thousands of pages in both Japanese and English including the journals and diaries kept by the Emperor's closest advisors, among them his wartime chief of staff and his chief civilian advisor." He said he never could understand how the peaceful and mostly agrarian Japanese people could've produced soldiers capable of such utter barbarity. The Rape of Nanking was truly horrible and may be the single worse atrocity of the many in WWII. That said, I see nothing wrong with recognizing the universal truth of heroic efforts by any side during a war. As usual, it comes down to that human bond formed by soldiers in combat to protect each other. Aside from individual criminal atrocities, it's the organized brutalities that are directed from above. I'm from the US but I certainly recognize the bravery and fighting ability of the Japanese soldier in WWII (good thing for the Allies their equipment, except for some airplanes/torpedoes, were obsolete by 1941). Same with the Allies. Let's save our venom for those who brought them to that state to begin with. Looking forward to these flicks...
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Windowlicker, I didn't go after Arkady because his grasp of the English language is limited. In fact, I went after him only after a baseless personal attack that included the words "fag" and "faggory". And the only reason I harped on the Japaneses thing is because he tried to correct me that Japaneses is, indeed, the correct term. It seems to me you're just looking for a fight. Doc was smart enough to ignore you and I think I'll do the same. Happy trolling!
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Of course we all have a little nationalism in us. I could say the same thing about you guys. LP - seems like old times, huh? LOL. The assumption that American audiences would not be interested in a British war story is, I think, false. If it was a good movie, the US audience would be there. A good story is a good story. More daring is this one from the Japanese point of view if only because the vast majority of Americans have this stupid dislike of subtitles. Now THAT I'm ashamed of.
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I caught an absolutely riveting documentary about the alliance during World War 2 and it was all a sham. Especially that union between America and The Us. WOW, that revelation nearly blew my head off . Hitler was an idiot and in the end he was isolated by the union of the US, the UK and Russian. All was rosy in the Garden? you could not be more wrong. As the War went on Eisenhower became more and more belligerant towrds Churchill. Churchills Cabinet was completly Divided. Chamberlain who was humiliiated by Hitler, didnt trust Churchill and didnt get on with him and resigned from the govt as did several others.Eisenhower hated Stalin and Communism. Letters which were declassified after 60 show how these two great leaders really couldnt stand one another. Which is why for almost sixty years, the two countries would claim victory in World War two. When he heard that Eisenhower had claimed victory Churchill was furious and ordered that Celebrations were to be had trafalgar square to remind the the US who really won the war. there really is no such thing as the special realtionship and there never was. Look at how imputent Blair is during this recent conflict and ask yourself who holds all the cards. The US.
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I hate most of "Million Dollar Baby" and "Crash," but I will go into "Flags of Our Fathers" with an open mind. I have seen "Men Behind the Sun." I will not hold any actor or director or writer accountable to previous work. I want these two films to be incredible. I want Martin Scorsese to win an Oscar. The end.
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http://wwws.warnerbros.co.jp/iwojima-movies/
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YAY- it's like the good old days. I wasn't saying that most Americans would be uninterested in stories from other nations- what I was saying is the morons that seem to run studios always assume the audience is more stupid than it is- which is why they will not risk not appealing Middle America. If what you are saying is true the morons would have told the true story of the taking of the Enigma machine. I know what you mean about the subtitles. It's the same here and it makes me sad.
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Aug 17, 2006 10:42:39 PM CDT
Wow, looking at that trailer and it's still amazing.
by orbots commander
These two films, if as good as they look, could possibly come to be looked upon as Eastwood's directorial masterpiece; his Lord of the Rings, if you will.
On another note, I hope the rest of the Hollywood establishment takes a cue from these flicks to proceed to adapt a larger quantity of books, fiction and non-fiction, into films. Take a trip to Barnes & Noble or to your public library once in a while Hollywood.
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