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In Case You Weren't Sufficiently Bragafied Over The Last Few Years...
This isn't exactly startling television news. But, given its Geekey nature (and that it relates to how Geeks like us often find ourselves unjustifiably punished), I thought it might be worth passing this along.
The Sci Fi Channel has scored themselves a couple of doozies for their coming slate of programming.
ENTERPRISE (or STAR TREK: ENTERPRISE if you prefer) will be rerun by the network sometime this Fall. Joining ENTERPRISE in Sci Fi's line-up will be the ghost of another lackluster Brannon Braga series, THRESHOLD, which endured a short run and quick death on CBS last year.
THRESHOLD (created with David Goyer of BLADE and BATMAN BEGINS) featured a super-mega secret government team trying to identify, and undercut, an extremely insidious alien invasion. The series was handsomely photographed and sported many clever premises. But, like a majority of ENTERPRISE, the show simply had no pulse. Lead Carla Gugino was really, really, really hot, though.
Rod Serling's TWILIGHT ZONE continues its exclusive cable run on SFC (I, for one, love the TZ marathons). You can read more about SFC's recent acquisitions HERE, or HERE.
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Honestly, I'm so burned out by the marathons, I don't ever want to see the show anymore.
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While it had some very excellent and original ideas, it just went nowhere, after 10 episodes nothing had really been accomplished.
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I was mesmerized by Carla the whole time and never paid attention to the plot. That is probably the reason the show went down.
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Braga and his partner in crime Rick Berman were responsible for taking Star Trek from the heights it reached during TNG and DS9 and turning it into the mindless, insulting piece of shit that was Voyager. I cant even begin to describe how much I hated Voyager. I was hoping every week they'd all be killed - slowly and painfully. Watching that crew of idiots get turned into Borg drones would have been incredibily satisfying. Once Bermaga got done pissing in the face of fans withthat show, they threw Enterprise at us. A show with no suspense because we all know that everything turns out OK for the fledgling Federation. Star Trek fans should curse the name of those two assholes for 1000 years.
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I still haven't gotten past Carla's scene in Sin City. How is the rest of that movie anyway?
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And if it wasn't for Manny Coto, ENTERPRISE probably would have been cancelled halfway through its fourth season. And where's the DOCTOR WHO Series 2 pickup, Sci Fi?
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I'm not a big Star Trek fan but I agree, Berman and Braga killed Star Trek dead. Roddenberry must be turning in his grave. Give control of it to his son, he seems to understand the show better than anyone.
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...Michael Piller, plain and simple.
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And Ira Steven Behr, Hans Beimler, and Rene Echevarria. DS9 is the best Trek ever. ___KNEEL___
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Season 4 was great*, so of course they cancelled it.
*I'm obviously not including the 'final' vomit-inducing episode. -
Of Threshold? I kinda liked Threshold (especially the cast), and who could ever say no to more Carla Gugino?
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She's in that sorority of hotties that just can't catch a break. Paula Marshall, Sofia Vergara, Alicia Witt, ect. All hot pieces of ass relegated to failed TV series and small time movies. The only way I would ever support colorization of a film is Carla's scene in Sin City. But I digress. Enterprise got cancelled just when it was getting interesting. The alternate universe episode and the next to last episode with Robocop were excellent. That's when Manny Coto took over, who now works on the greatest show ever made, '24'. I'd buy that man a lap dance and a beer if I ever met him. And yes, DS9 is the best Trek ever. This cannot be debated.
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Threshold was such crap. I don't think I was able to stay awake through any episode beyond the pilot. And while I agree that Berman/Braga royally fucked up Trek, let's not assume Roddenberry (or Jr.) would give us great stuff. Remember, the only Trek movie Roddenberry had any real involvement with was The Motion Picture. And DS9 definitely was a cut above other Berman-era Trek, but best ever? Nope.
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I admit, I was not hooked on the series when it first aired. In typical Star Trek fashion, the first season was....boring, lets be honest. So were the catatonic deep space nine, voyager, and TNG. But, it set up the characters.....and was I ever rewarded by Enterprise. The three seasons that followed were my favourite Trek, story arc's that sucked me in and wouldnt let go.
four seasons.....three incredible. Thats a 750 batting average....FAR from having "no pulse". -
So it should be right at home on Sciffy.
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no, i'm serious. i concede that the series opener wasn't as compelling as all that but the following episodes built a solid mystery and, of all the so-called network 'Lost'-clones (Surface, Invasion, Threshold), i reckon Threshold was the most interesting. Certainly a lot better than that shitty procedural Bones, which survived to a second season.
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Very little of it was fulfilled. Still I would have liked to have seen a full season. Needed smart writing on a consistent basis for such an interesting hypothetical scientific premisis which it did not get. The aliens were essentialy staging an invasion with highly highly evolved mathematics. I mean it did not have Charlie Tuna or scary croc-things like the other two alien shows last year.
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DS9 was good but nowhere near as good as original Trek and the best of TNG.
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Carla G is unbearably hot though. They should just pair her with Paula Marshall on a show and get it over with.
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But it never should have been on CBS. UPN or WB would have been a much better fit.
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Since Sci-Fi is so hot for last season's cancelled Alien Invasion premises (and since they're owned by NBC now anyway) how about some new Surface episodes?
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But really, this would be like one episode of the X-Files. I liked the opener for it but after that it just went into " where does the sign show up now " and got rather stale.
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and deserves to live on on SciFi where they will treat it with respect.
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I agree that her hotness made it hard to concentrate during Threshold. Maybe my mind isn't strong enough to handle that level of hotness + story.
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Braga drives Trek into the ground, his CBS series is cancelled double-quick and Jeri Ryan dumps him. Why hasn't his no-talent hack descended into booze and pills? The next time I read about him I hope it's an obit in Variety.
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You know what doesn't have a pulse? Your EEG. Enterpoop was fucking execrable after the first season, and that was a step down from being merely tepid. The third season was the worst piece of shit EVER, and that was AFTER they hired that dumbass Coto.
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ECW! ECW! ECW! Just kidding, WWECW sucks but it's better now that CM Punk is there.
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After 20 minutes of watching what was clearly "circus freaks transplanted into ALIAS", I stopped watching. What a terribly bad piece of work.
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I've been catching an ep here and there in syndication and while it' snot as horirble as I was expecting it's certainly not "wonderful, groundbreaking" anything like that, it's just a "meh" reaction, if I catch it on syndication, cool, if not, oh well...Now DS9 on the other hand, that was a great series, layered and structured. yeah it had a rough beginning and the inclusion of the Defiant (although a cool ship) and Worf and the Worf/Dax realtionship was just weird, but those ideas, I think wre fostered onto Ira Steven Beher and Renee Echiveria--didn't they really take over the series in the last couple of seasons, maybe even the whole 2nd half of the run? Once it found it's legs it really did take off and explore a lot of things, religon, politics, terrorism, and was definatly a "dirtier" version of the ST Universe, I mean I loved TNG as much as anyone else but everyone was just so perfect, a complaint that I never noticed...well something always felt off about the whole ST Universe but when I read Harlen Ellison's rant/eassay/defense on "City on the Edge of forever" it made sense, with Rodenberry and this continued thorughout the entire TNG run, everyone was just so perfect, but on DS9 they hated, faought, loved, had sex, lived.
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I thought you were going to report that Braga was actually working on a new show. Thank God for silver linings.
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Bones is good television...
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love everything that Star Trek stands for or anything. As your typical sci-fi crapola, it's fine.
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Carla Gugino and Paula Marshall SHOULD have a show together. They really need to place these actresses together in a great show. Cast as superpowered, bisexual, spy heroines! Probably even Sci-Fi/Fantasy based. And air it on...Fox! ...On a THURSDAY NIGHT at 9PM!!! Either it would be a truly classic show or it would get cancelled halfway through the pilot. That's a gamble I wanna see!
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should only be other actresses who have been in at least 2 cancelled shows.
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Her and Paula Marshall on a show together would melt my TV. However, given that they're both cursed, the show would be cancelled after two episodes.
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With all those new shows, there may not be room for a TARDIS. Too bad, I was looking forward to seeing Giles as a creepy school headmaster
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Word on the street was that the SciFi Channel reps at the San Diego ComicCon were positive on the show but could not make an official announcement yet about when Season/Series 2 airs on the SciFi Channel. One should remember that the (Canadian) CBC Channel is the co-producer of the series and they have 1st dibs on the North American debut. As it stands, the CBC won't air Series2 until October, so SciFi probably won't begin airing it until the same time, or shortly thereafter. It still doesn't cheese me off as much as what BBC America just did with *Hex*. I am foaming at the mouth. The morons split up Season2, called much of it Season1, and announced last night's episode as the Season Finale and won't show the remainder of episodes until Summer 2007. Sometimes the actions of the BBC America Channel make me believe that they have the same collective brain power as most of the moron executives over at G4. I'm tempted to import the R2 British/European DVD discs of the show because I can't get enough Jemima Rooper. She seriously needs to get cast on either *Doctor Who* or some SciFi Channel genre stuff. Hell, shoehorn her in on *BSG* as Baltar's evil daughter. It would work. Although I prefer to envision her as The Doctor's daughter.
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Karen Sisco. Anyone remember that?
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V. O.K., we hold long grudges. Wanna cookie?
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Firefly. Fuckers.
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Square Pegs. And where the frack is THAT coming out on DVD??? *takes cookie*. How's that for a long grudge, eh? ;)
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Except that I *ducks and covers* liked "Enterprise". I can still one up you for poor taste. I also liked "Lucan". Enjoy that cookie!
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Is JJ Abrams happy about this? I don't think so. IMHO it does more harm than good with respect to the Abrams & Co. Trek reboot.
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Space Above & Beyond and John Doe, and BOTH on cliffhangers!
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The Many Loves of Dobie Gillis!
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The Steven Collins classic: Tales of the Gold Monkey!
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Roddenberry's vision of Trek was of a humanity that had conquered its destructive impulses and learned to work towards a common goal: the betterment of the species. His vision was unflinching, and something we should be striving for. Unfortunately, characters who don't have conflicts with each other don't make good drama. This is why TNG got a bit boring at times. Its characters were too evolved to snip at each other pointlessly. This is why DS9 was so good. It created a melange of many characters from many different species and affiliations and stuck them in a confined space such that their differing goals would generate conflict. This is also why Voyager sucked. It went back to the "all Federation, all the time" paradigm. Enterpoop had a chance to be great by showing a humanity that hadn't learned how to share the sandbox yet, but failed miserably by putting together a bunch of pretty faces with no pathos. Look at the Helmsman, for instance. Christ, what was his name? He had approximately three character episodes in the entire series, and about five lines per episode. Oh, and don't forget his one-per-episode close-up from down and from his left as he stares intently at the viewscreen as skillfully navigates the ship through whatever obstacle course the writers assembled for that script. That is not good writing. That is not good drama.
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are why JJ Abrams will have difficulty if Enterprise is still being aired when the reboot comes out. One possible outcome is that people will look at the ads/pr of rebooted Trek, then see Enterprise on TV and they will make a decision to stay away from the theater thinking they'll be getting more of the same.
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Spiderman: The Animated Series (90's one). Peter never got the chance to find MJ! ;) I always wondered if they'd ever make new episodes, then I grew up. I miss innocence, the world of TV is a cruel place. You invest time into characters and 'verses just for men in expensive suits to crush it as it gets good!
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...Veronica Mars!!!!! (posted from the year 2010) ;) Seriously though God forbid that happens! I should't have made that joke. I'm sorry Rob and Kristin!
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Miracles. That show kicked some major ass. I tell you if they had aired it right after Lost, it would have been a major hit show. Too bad the whole horror, sci-fi, mystery genre hadn't really taken off until Lost hit.
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Police Squad, for one. Way ahead of its time as the movies showed.
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Mystery Science Theater 3000. I mean seriously, great television out of horrible movies. Pure genius. "Word on the street is that you're a jerk Mitchel." "Put her down Jerry Lee." and "Cabot, Cabot, Cabot, Cabot." Keep spreading the tapes people!
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Samurai jack.Booooo hisssssss,I hate a decent series with no coclusion.You know the day I buy the DVD set they will announce a new set with an appropriate ending.
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the twilight zone arched its shoulder blades and I put grease in the crevice and fucked it, ejaculating onto the back of its neck.
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Whether it is starting with a cut up Christmas Invasion or New Earth is unknown. I'm better on the latter with TCI being held back for a Christmas special despite airing it way out of order.
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Carla and Robert Forster were given too short of a run. You Paula Marshall fans seen her lately on Veronica Mars? She's gained a bit of weight.
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would have lasted 7 seasons if they would have stuck to their guns and did what they wanted to...which is offer an alternate timeline in the star trek universe that was altered by the temporal cold war. many fans just saw it as messing with their sacred history, while it was clearly showing how people from the future can severly mess with the past...but too many "fans" wanted a prequel that told them what theyve been waiting to hear and holding their virginity for however long theyve been breathing ....how was the federation founded...who cares...its the same as titanic, yes we all know the boat will sink at some point in the movie....if u want to blame enterprise's failure, dont blame berman and braga, blame the fans that nitpicked till they killed the premise that had lots of trek fans watching and not just the "purist" TOS fans, and lots of us "real fans" loved the series, even the new opening that was (god forbid) not sci-fi..threshold had potential, but lost it...... surface was the best new show on a regular network, of course NBC didnt have the balls to give it a second season...omg and please stop mentioning doctor who likes its the 2nd coming of christ.....its not that great of a show, its british and it shows, badly
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(co-written or solo written, anyway): 1) Frame of Mind (TNG) 2) The Killing Game (VOY) 3)All Good Things (TNG) 4) Shuttlepod One (ENT) 5) Broken Bow (ENT) 6) A Fist Full of Datas (TNG) 7) Projections (VOY) 8) First Contact (TNG movie) 9) Dark Frontier (VOY) 10) Cause and Effect (TNG) ... Yes, he headlined Trek for awhile and was the one of the causes for its death but he HAS done gold, people! Come on! He's not *quite* Satan, here. That's Jon Peters.
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...they cancelled Dark Skies.
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this is a joke, right? you seriously think enterprise in reruns will have even the slightest effect on the new trek movie? as though anyone watching the SciFi channel wouldn't already be in the cinema on opening night? you Braga-haters sure like to concoct some whiffy fantasies. what next? Re-runs of Enterprise may harm possibility of ceasefire in Middle East?
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FARSCAPE!!! Ben and Claudia are being wasted on SG-1!!! MAKE A FRELLING MOVIE ALREADY!!! And btw, can anyone confirm the rumor that George Lucas' helped secretly fund The Peacekeeper Wars mini-series?
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I never flat-out slam shows on here, but that was freakin' garbage. The animation sucked. Peter looked like a gawd dang linebacker. And Venom was down right embarrassing. There was zero pacing, and I mean ZERO PACING. (The music didn't help either. yikes) Sure X-men wasn't a masterpiece, but it was light years better than Spider-man. The MTV CG Spidey cartoon (outside of Doogie Howser voicing Pete) was outstanding however.
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I agree with the above poster that the point of Enterprise originally was to show how the timeline/continuity was getting messed up (by FutureGuy). But the whole thing was planned out lousily, and the characters were just not written well. (And who the hell was FutureGuy??) The series SHOULD have been darker, but instead felt more like a retread of Voyager's later seasons, and the characters still behaved like the perfect people from TNG. Imagine if the series had been similar to that "dark mirror universe" two-parter. I'm not saying the entire series should have been that way, but there should have been a greater sense that something had gone horribly wrong in the show's timeline and more of the episodes should have drawn its drama from this, and that there was a lot at stake for Archer and his crew.
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I hear someone using the term
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you seem to have a thing for horses, nohubris. i'm not here to judge though. even an enterprise-hater like yourself surely needs to have something to be passionate about.
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and again, and again. everything brannon f@#$ up let's bring JJ in to fix! Its the ONLY way. PS. I agree Carla is TOTALLY HOT
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...Mister Ed, but wait. He's back as newc0253 talking out of the back end of the horse.
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B&B backed off the 'alternate timeline' concept when they realized that they weren't going to surprise anyone with it. I suspect they only wanted to do it so their stories wouldn't be constricted by existing Trek 'history'. P.S. Carla would make a great Romulan.
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Nooooo! As Vader would say. I fell in love with her in Hellraiser 3 and never looked back.
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Totally forgot about Samurai Jack. I guess that's because I truly have never accepted it's cancellation. There's that little glimmer of hope/denial that stays with me. Jack will return to finally vanquish Aku...One Day! Come on Genndy Tartakovsky, finish what you started!
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...The Barbary Coast! Seriously, William Shatner as a secret agent casino owner in the old west with Richard Kiel as his bouncer sidekick. Put this thing on DVD. As for Enterprise, it had an above average cast for a Star Trek show, except for Bakula, but it never managed to make you give a damn about them, and the time travel story line was painfully bad. Also, at this point in tv history, you better have a strong arc if you're going to have a successful genre show. The star trek boys were still living in the 80s.
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...there was only a pilot for the Barbary Coast, but it not only starred Bill Shatner and Richard Kiel, it also had Michael Ansara, John Vernon, Dennis Cole and Linda Day George in it. I'm also pissed they cancelled The Protectors with Robert Vaughn, but I'm even more pissed they released it on DVD and forced me to confront what crap I loved as a kid.
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Now And Again, and Freaks And Geeks.
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CLIFFHANGERS on NBC in the late 70's. Oh and AUTOMAN, of course.
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I'm waiting for the animated Trek (with Shatner, Nimoy and the gang) to be released on dvd around Nov'.
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"Dead Like Me" and Carnivale. And, to add insult to injury, Sci-Fi picked up the goddamn repeats of "Dead Like Me" but wouldn't continue production on the series. And fucking Carnivale? On that fucking amazing cliffhanger?! Where is the commitment to finishing stories, people?! WHERE?!
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"Dead Like Me" in quotes and not "Carnivale"... It's "late", I "guess".
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And then made a horrible pg-13 rated movie out of it with LL Cool J. Anyway does anyone know when the 90's Spidey cartoon show will be released on DVD? When someone mentioned the series it brought me back and I want to watch them, just to see how they hold up because I loved that cartoon.
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I really don't care what anyone says. Enterprise turned out to be a damn fine show during the 3rd and 4th seasons. If they had started with the storylines and attitude that made up the 4th year ( you know building the federation ) it would still be on. They had a guy who finally understood ( Manny Coto ) ST but it was too late. As far the new movie. Enterprise in syndication will have zero effect. If it's a strong enough reboot it won't have a problem. However if it's just the Starfleet Academy, young Kirk and Spock I'm more afraid of that rendering it still born. It would need something really unusual to make that palatable. Everytime you mention that you hear a collective groan so I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.
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You know, *Threshold* never interested me. I flipped by the show one time and I mistakenly thought that the actress playing Carla's part was Scottish actress Dawn Steele (*Sea of Souls*) and actually gave more credit to the series than it deserved. Hmmm...Carla Gugino + Dawn Steele...yum. Bah, why stop there...add Jemima Rooper to that as well!
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that they cancelled *The Persuaders!*. One of the best theme songs from television. I have my fingers crossed that Ben Stiller will not bring it to the silver screen although seeing him prance around all fey-like as Tony Curtis did might be amusing.
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...of Enterprise, since I stopped watching regularly after season 2. I really tried to like the show, but I couldn't get past the stories, as well as the casting, which was so non-Trek IMHO. Traditionally, Trek casting has something to say about both where we are as society and where we need to go. I agree with what was said earlier about Berman and Braga being in the 80's. Also, IMO, this was the hardest cast of all the Treks to identify with (except for Bakula)...I agree that building the federation is an outstanding arc and right, that's what the show should have been about. If the casting was as good as ST:TNG or DS9, despite the rocky first two years, the show would still be on the air and would have probably made it to 7 seasons under the hands of M Coto.
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...won't effect people like you who stayed with the show IMHO. But for Trek fans who felt let down by Enterprise, along with the new audience that JJ Abrams is going after, Enterprise being on the air will deter people from going to the movie theater for the reasons in mentioned in the prior post. Berman/Braga missed it with the casting (not all the actors of course, but I'm not going to slam some individual actor who went to work everyday). Only die hard Enterprise fans would give them a pass on that (like I have given BSG on Season 2)Only my opinion, here...You are right about the Star Fleet Academy story. Reboot or no reboot, academy cadets have never been what Star Trek is about, going all the way back to Pike in The Cage and Kirk in Where No Man Has Gone Before.
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Don't give anyone a pass on season three. Everyone responsible should be lined up against a wall and shot. Season three was a piece of jingoistic trash. The power of science-fiction, as a genre, is its ability to draw our society in a different light. It gives creators the opportunity to say things about our culture that they wouldn't be able to say were they making direct observations in the mainstream media. Some examples would be Frank Herbert's Dune series. Dune was written in the early 1960s specifically as commentary on Peak Oil and the Middle East, and what happens when you enslave a culture for their resources. Another example, one from Star Trek this time, would be "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield" from classic Trek...that's the episode with the aliens that are half white and half black (with two species with reversed color schemes) who annihilate themselves due to their bigotry. Back to the original topic. BSG, 24, and Enterpoop were all (supposed) to be shows about terrorism, conceived after 9/11. 24 is the only one set in the "real" world, to predictable consequences. Those being: it's dumb testosterone laden action with little subtext or social commentary. Which, honestly, they wouldn't be able to make a show that accurately examines the realities of Western foreign policy that brought us to where we are now. The media and public wouldn't allow it, and if they did, it wouldn't be nearly as successful as it is. The public doesn't want to know the truth, they want jingoistic bed-time stories that will make them feel happy and reinforce their sense of purpose for policies that would really fail--and are failing--in the real world. But hey, let's kill us some dune coons! They're not real people anyway, right? Anyway, 24 is a perfect fit for Manny Coto, after the horrible mess he made out of season three of Enterpoop. I'll get back to that in a second though. (continued in the next post)
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The writers on Enterpoop from the beginning weren't good enough to really write the temporal cold war as a good analogue for our current war on terror, or the foreign policy we should be embracing, were we, as a society, actually, you know, responsible and intelligent. The parallel was mostly missing out of the first two seasons, with only occasional bits of similarity, so, they had to ratchet up the metaphor quite a bit. Hence, season three and Manny Coto. Since simply naming the Suliban after terrorists wasn't quite getting the social commentary job done properly, they had to have Earth attacked by the Xindi. The Xindi took their doomsday weapon, the Star Trek equivalent of the deathstar, and blew a nice hole in Florida, killing Tripp's sister, just to make it personal. So, Craptain Archer and the crew of the Enterpoop set off on their preemptive war of conquest as a blatant paean to Neocon/PNAC/Republican policy. Along the way they ignored many inconsistencies in an attempt to keep that metaphor stretched ever-so-thinly in view of the audience. For instance, why would the Xindi have sent a prototype weapon against Earth if they had a test field (as shown about two-thirds of the way through the season) and KNEW it wasn't powerful enough yet to destroy the planet, as was their intention? Was sending the prototype a polite way of saying, "Hello, we're going to destroy you in a few months, as soon as we get the weapon powerful enough to do so. Feel free to come say hi in the mean time!" To illustrate how stupid this was, while keeping the veneer of Berman, Braga, and Coto's metaphor, it would be like Osama Bin Laden attacking the U.S. on 9/11 while meanwhile having a plane big enough to destroy THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES in the hangar waiting to take off. It's pretty stupid to tip your hand like that, but again, the writers just weren't smart enough to make the metaphor work any better than that. So, instead of making a story about the policies of the nascent Federation, and how their expansionism might be seen as imperialism and draw the ire of the people they were trying to convert, Enterpoop turned into a parody of current events and our lovely preemptive, and pointless, war. Luckily for Enterpoop it had a better ending for them than it will for us. (continued in the next post)
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Of the three shows I named above, the only one left to talk about is BSG. BSG, as we should all know by now, has the most salient and sophisticated look at the policies and reactions of people and governments after suffering a massive defeat. This is how responsible people act when they find themselves on the wrong end of reality. They look at what they did to screw up, and they fix it. "Introspection" is the word of the day. The moral core of characters like Adama and Roslin is what gives the show its power. For contrast, Jack Bauer has no moral core. He simply fucks people up. He doesn't even know the meaning of the word "introspection". The character of Craptain Archer was completely broken by season three. He's beyond characterization as his character is just implausible. His behavior in the first two seasons is completely in opposition to his behavior in season three, while season four is nothing more than fan-service, so he's even more of a caricature there. I affectionately called him Captain Lurch for the way he swings himself around the bridge, which, I hope, was intended on Bakula's part. The rest of the characters are equally cardboard, with the plot paper-thin as well. To conclude, 24 is mindless, just as its creators and viewing public want it. BSG is constantly examining itself and the situations it creates. To many, it is too cerebral. Enterpoop had the freedom granted by the genre to really deliver a message, just like the first three incarnations of Star Trek did, and it failed to even try. It should be derided not only for its lack of vision, but its complete failure to even tell a good popcorn story.
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I know. I spent far too much time on that.
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And yet, Strabo, you're almost entirely right. Gasp. What's the point of having a sci-fi series if the only outcome is the status-quo? Battlestar is so tremendous because we have absolutely no idea what's going to happen, and that mistakes the characters make may have terrible consequences. '24' is such a success that the terrorists will never be able to do anything truly terrible to America for fear of controversy, and nothing will really ever impede Jack in getting vengence either due to the gimicky countdown feature. His character will never really grow. Smart idea for a series or two, but going further will only result in the 21st century version of 'The Invaders'. And as for Enterprise, I was excited as a boy who had the moon on a stick before it started, but the moment I heard that terrible faux-country theme music (and hey, I adore Cash, the Handsome Family etc) and saw the stereo-typical characters my heart sank. They lied to me, it was the same as before. It was the same awful temporal-anomaly plots and lack-of-motivation 'freak of the week' plots. Nothing could have saved it because I didn't believe in anything. Not even certain of the actors who I admired. And so, in a history first, I agree with an AICN Talkback rant. Wise words Strabo, but 'potty-talk' like 'Craptain Archer' adds nothing. You may now call me a lilly hugger. P.S: Everyone watch 'My Neighbour Totoro', it is beautiful. Who needs big plots when you have characters, eh? -
Where's my edit button?!
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TLDR did not apply - I read it. Great points...You're right about BSG (great comparison). It has been a cerebral, but exciting show that forces - no, inspires us to think and even examine society in an introspective manner, while entertaining us at the same time. That's what Trek at its best did and that is one of the things that I found to be lacking in Enterprise.
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They were filming the first episode of the show well before 9/11 and so far only one season out of five of the show involved arab terrorists. The show itself has involving, if improbable stories and a great cast.
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from going to see a new trek film? yeah, and i understand it may also prevent a cure for AIDS. i'm not saying JJ Abrams reboot will necessarily be a success but if you sincerely believe that a rerun of enterprise on the scifi channel will hurt its chances, then i've got a bridge on the thames to sell you. seriously, dude, get outta your mom's basement and live in the real world.
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...anything. Not even certain of the actors who I admired"...Well said NervousPete.
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back again, about the JJ abrahms star trek movie next year, i wont see it. i love star trek in all forms, but the idea of a trek movie taking place with kirk and spock is such a sellout to me. if they want to do another trek movie, they should continue the nextgen movie series and try to recapture the audience. a reboot is silly and is IMO just tryin to appease all those "bring back kirk" people. personally i will hurl if they cast Matt Damon as Kirk, why not then make ben affleck play McCoy...there is a perfect Scotty out there if theyre really gonna do it, the doctor from Stargate:Atlantis...but overall i think a reboot is a bad idea, and im sure the "fans" will rip it apart before it hits the screens, especially when script bits start hittin the net...
off subject, i was pissed when "now and again" was cancelled too... "birds of prey" was awesome too...ratings were great for both shows, but i read it was a business decision for both. so for all u guys that think shows stayin on the air is based solely on ratings, think again. if a network wants to keep a show on forever, they do...if they want to make room for something they think will make more money, say good bye to ur show...its sad but true...we lose surface but they keep "7th heaven" on frickin forever...
i dunno guys, im just sick n tired of losing good shows to keep crap on the air -
Why is it that great shows always get a quick chop while mediocre shit lives on ? Ie the Simpsons vs Family Guy or Futurama or even The Critic.Or how about severel good scifi shows vs Lost or Star Trek vs Babylon 5.Truth is if a show gets a good run nowdays then it needs to be crap enough to please everyone otherwise its just too highbrow for most of the inbreds.
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Coto came on after the Xindi arc. That wasn't his. His episodes were AFTER all of that. You know, the good ones. I'd also trust Manny Coto to write better TREK than JJ Abrams, who I find overrated to the extreme. RDM > JJA. JMS > JJA. JJA = JW > < RTD.
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