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Published on Thursday, August 3, 2006 - 9:23am |
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Quint has seen Oliver Stone's WORLD TRADE CENTER...
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I know I promised to have this one done today... I keep my promises (sometimes). Here are my thoughts on Oliver Stone's controversial (is there an Oliver Stone movie not surrounded by controversy? Maybe THE HAND...) new film, WORLD TRADE CENTER.
I read an early draft of the script for this film and wasn't too impressed. Thankfully, the shooting draft feels more natural. The script I read had a great structure... you meet some men, the buildings are attacked, you follow the men into the buildings, expecting a big actioneer "Let's rescue everybody!" movie and boom... the buildings fall on top of the men and more than half the picture is you with a couple of these guys as they struggle for survival, pinned underneath tons upon tons of rubble. The structure was good, the idea for the script was good, but the dialogue was god-awful.
Keep in mind, I'm still talking about that early draft. The film I saw had very few of that draft's weaknesses, but all of its strengths.
One thing I really dug about the script was that you never saw the towers. Either they were obscured in ash or something happens to them off camera... or you're in the buildings. I was actually really surprised when I saw the film just how much 9/11 imagery Stone put into the flick. For the most part (about 90% of it) if you see the twin towers it's as we all saw them that day. On television, footage from the street as it was happening. There are a few shots of the towers created for this film, but nothing gratuitous.
I didn't think it'd be a smart move to put the burning towers all over the film, that it'd come off as phony, just an easy way to go for the heart-strings. I was wrong. You know what the most emotional shots of the movie were for me? It wasn't the towers in flames. It wasn't people jumping off the roof. It was the very beginning, when we see New York wake up that morning and from dark to dusk to full daylight we see the World Trade Center buildings once again a part of the New York City skyline. I personally didn't realize how empty the new skyline looks without the towers until I saw the opening of this film.
I'm gonna go off on another small tangent here, but I saw an episode of Penn & Teller's BULLSHIT where they investigated the behind the scenes activity (or lack thereof) regarding the land that the WTC used to stand on. What are they going to do? Build another building? Build a giant monument? Get caught up in indecision until 5 whole years has passed by and it's still just a giant hole in the ground? The episode explored why there was no development and looked at the proposed plans for monuments/museums/buildings to erect on the site. They were all ridiculous. At the end of the episode, Penn & Teller say (paraphrased, of course), "You know what we should build on the site, that would act as a big fuck you to the terrorists... this..." and they showed a picture of the Twin Towers, just as we knew them. I thought it was a good idea then and after seeing the skyline back to what it should be in WORLD TRADE CENTER, I'm completely for that idea.
But now I'm back... so far there hasn't been much of a review here. Sorry... this is a tough one to write. My overall feelings on the film are very positive. It's a good film with some minor flaws. It's very honest and respectful, but doesn't delve into the politics. I had been told that Stone was trying to make a movie that reminded people of how unified we were because of that disaster, to bring the emotion back into it. Right now it's such a huge talking point in politics, with both sides repeating it over and over again. It's become politicized and some may argue that's more of a disgrace to those who died and those who risked their lives for other people than any movie can be. The goal for Stone was to clear away the politics and remind us about the good that America showed that day.
I feel Stone achieved that.
The flaws of the movie... well, there are the funny, surface flaws... like Maria Bello's awful blue contacts... when you have any sort of close look at her you can see her brown eyes underneath giving an eerie effect. Then there are the flaws leftover from the crappy early draft I read.
Once our two leads are trapped, Stone doesn't have the nerve to keep the drama on them. Some of my favorite moments in the film are these two guys trying to keep each other alive. They can't see each other, they can only hear each other. These moments come off as very honest and are really touching. But the decision was made back in that early script that we would follow not only the two Port Authority men as they try to hang on to life, but their families at home. This is a double edged sword for the film because half the time we see the wives of the men and their children I really felt like it made the drama in the rubble better. The other half of the time, it really just goes overboard.
There are dream sequences, as Nicolas Cage and Michael Pena drift in and out of consciousness, that don't work at all for me. These sequence feel forced, convenient and contrived. They could totally be 100% accurate to what these men went through, but on celluloid I don't think it helped the film.
But for every over-the-top drug store moment (you'll know it when you see it) with the wives, there's a scene of one of the mothers praying, her body so slumped and shaking that I almost believed I was seeing what these characters' mothers went through in that day and night when they didn't know if their sons were alive or dead.
All the performances are top notch. Even Nicolas Cage manages to not be distracting. I think if this film gets any sort of nominations we'll see a Supporting Actor nod go to Michael Pena. Jay Hernandez does strong work in the flick, too. Despite my problems with many scenes involving their characters, I also quite liked Maria Bello and Maggie Gyllenhaal. Bello in particular does solid work, even through those awful contacts.
At the end of the movie, there's a lengthy text that tells us what has happened for these families since 9/11 and then there was a listing of all the Port Authority Officers who died that day... If I remember correctly, it was over 80 names.
Almost the entire audience stayed through all these names and when "Directed by Oliver Stone" popped up, the crowd applauded.
It'll be very easy for many people to put themselves above this movie. This isn't dogme 95 real. This isn't a documentary. It is a feature length studio picture, with all the benefits and some of the detriments. To me, this film didn't feel like a cash-in. It doesn't feel like a story that didn't need to be told. For some it will still be too soon. For some it'll be too glossy and not edgy enough. But I don't think anybody will honestly look at this film and see it as a money grab, at least not from the filmmaker's side of things.
Like anything filled with big emotion, it goes overboard sometimes, but the film felt very honest to me. If its goal is to bring the tragedy back from a grey political realm, devoid of emotion, I think it succeeded very well. I know as I was watching the film, I couldn't help but project my own memories of that day and see myself sitting in a house I don't live in now, glued to the TV, like millions of Americans and billions of people around the world.
I really have no idea how this film will do. The audience tonight seemed to be deeply involved with the events unfolding on the screen, but I have no idea if other audiences will be like mine last night.
I know the above was a bit more sombre than my reviews usually are, but you can always go read my TALLADEGA NIGHTS review for the more humorous anecdotes. I'll be back soon with the rest of my Comic-Con interviews and the results of my two contests (Weta's SUPERMAN RETURNS and Sideshow's JAWS statues). Stay tuned for that!

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Reader Talkback
9/11 DIDNT HAPPEN by Bishop6 | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:43:04 AM | Shut the fuck up. by Wolfman57 | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:50:16 AM | TOO SOON! by Elmore Rigby | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:50:31 AM | DON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY
SAY HAPPEND THAT DAY by AGE IIX | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:52:25 AM | Conspiracy Stone? by midgard serpent | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:56:26 AM | It's too soon for a World
Trade Center review by Eaglet1138 | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:56:30 AM | where do you fools by Lost Prophet | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:01:38 AM | YB by Lost Prophet | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:05:52 AM | loose change by foree forehead | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:08:32 AM | You guys make me laugh... by moto | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:09:56 AM | I'll definitely see it... by StarBlitzer | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:10:42 AM | Has anyone not noticed... by 69DUDE | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:10:56 AM | I meant "victims'"
obviously... by StarBlitzer | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:11:40 AM | HOW ABOUT NO REPLIES/TBs HERE by moto | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:11:56 AM | IN HONOR OF THOSE WHO DIED...
NO TBs by moto | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:14:13 AM | I don't know if this will
"rebound" Stone by Superneal | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:15:04 AM | Of course it's a money
grab. Don't be naive. by Orbots Commander | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:18:38 AM | "I really dug that you never
saw the towers" by Trazadone | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:20:04 AM | Of COURSE it was a
conspiracy... by Johnny Drama | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:22:36 AM | Stone should have made a
loosechange911 type of flick by Superneal | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:23:10 AM | Three reality based points: by Mahaloth | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:23:28 AM | Bishop6 by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:24:59 AM | I love it when they say: by Lost Prophet | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:39:47 AM | Confirmed by StarBlitzer | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:46:30 AM | Right on, Mahaloth! by Trazadone | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:48:32 AM | To honor those that died... by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:53:43 AM | The WTC was destroyed by
aliens... by JohnGalt06 | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:56:25 AM | Despicable douchebags all. by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:08:13 AM | I just can't see it. by BilboRing | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:11:33 AM | cantankerous by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:23:38 AM | Towers in Spider-Man by abominate | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:28:46 AM | Here's the problem by performingmonkey | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:37:09 AM | conspiracy theory by Mariposa | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:42:30 AM | hard to see kwboard... by Blue_Demon | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:45:08 AM | I wont see it..... but not out
of principal by BendersShinyAss | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:45:46 AM | The sequence removed from
SPIDERMAN... by JohnGalt06 | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:52:52 AM | You don't need absurd
conspiracy theories... by JohnGalt06 | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:54:17 AM | well said John by Lost Prophet | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:59:11 AM | BAD conspiracy theories by phelion2 | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:59:41 AM | The spiderman trailer by BendersShinyAss | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:02:28 PM | Id see this over Flight 93 by rubensreviews | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:04:50 PM | re: calami-shami by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:16:44 PM | Let the Bullshit begin... by NathanH | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:16:49 PM | Two Points by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:38:53 PM | Fuck You by El Scorcho | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:41:33 PM | Please address Ann Coulter by
her real name(s): by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:42:32 PM | http://www.thebestpageintheuni
verse.net/c.cgi?u=911_mor by zerogundamx | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:48:50 PM | So I'm back from watching
'loose change 2nd
edit' by BendersShinyAss | Aug 3rd, 2006 12:58:20 PM | mmmm. by BendersShinyAss | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:01:49 PM | el scorcho by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:02:09 PM | Good Call Zerogundam by evolution1085 | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:03:21 PM | Two Points...continued by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:05:16 PM | You know what I think? by BendersShinyAss | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:08:18 PM | "ManInSuit" by DocPazuzu | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:10:34 PM | Does anyone want to see it
cause it's a movie? by vinceklortho | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:11:46 PM | im going to be a wreck
watching this.... by JeanLuc Dickhard | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:13:34 PM | "Watching this video... by DocPazuzu | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:14:32 PM | cantankerous 2: The Ouest For
Peace by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:15:47 PM | Clueless NathanH by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:16:56 PM | 9/11 Movie Shannanigans by Reilly | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:17:53 PM | 9/11 Movies by PantherMatt | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:30:33 PM | re: necco by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:35:08 PM | I aim to please. by zerogundamx | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:35:41 PM | I agree Reilly by DigitalDong | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:41:44 PM | by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:54:46 PM | Cantankerous by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 01:56:13 PM | Ann Coulter IS a shrill
cunt... by DoctorWho? | Aug 3rd, 2006 02:03:33 PM | Movie profits... by vinceklortho | Aug 3rd, 2006 02:10:53 PM | Is the inredibly depressing
trailer music in the movie? by Charles Grady | Aug 3rd, 2006 02:22:36 PM | "Funeral music"... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 02:26:16 PM | DoctorWho? by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 02:32:18 PM | So I get banned for a United
93 Brokeback joke... by dogapeandman2 | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:01:53 PM | read massawyrm's review
instead! by Shigeru | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:14:04 PM | that's it by arhat23 | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:26:15 PM | re: re: necco by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:26:29 PM | I saw this and I had a problem
with the scene where... by Ricky Henderson | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:38:52 PM | re: This mentality is so
repugnant to me. by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:48:17 PM | Ha Ha, the NORAD tapes by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:52:38 PM | Loose Change 2nd Edition is.. by dirtsandwich | Aug 3rd, 2006 03:55:26 PM | Cantankerous...again by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:08:01 PM | dirtsandwich, who benefited
from 911 by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:08:04 PM | cantankerous by arhat23 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:12:02 PM | Hey Dogapeandman2... by DoctorWho? | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:15:49 PM | woops...they're back by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:18:34 PM | ganymede2010 by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:27:37 PM | Sorry Necco, pejurring
yourself before congress by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:32:05 PM | ganymede... by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:36:15 PM | Mr. Nice Gaius by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:37:09 PM | ganymede...one more thing by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:40:39 PM | Necco by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:43:08 PM | Sorry Necco, you can't
compare the 2 by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:46:34 PM | billy bush got the lead job on
access hollywood by dr.bulber | Aug 3rd, 2006 04:56:58 PM | Northwoods by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:15:05 PM | ganymede2010 by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:19:39 PM | cantankerous.... Lyman
Lemnitzer by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:22:35 PM | Lyman Lemnitzer by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:31:24 PM | Pop Quiz by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:34:35 PM | for fuck's sake by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 05:38:53 PM | ganymede... by necco | Aug 3rd, 2006 06:50:43 PM | Anyone see "9/11 deniers
speak" vid on YouTube? by DoctorWho? | Aug 3rd, 2006 06:58:34 PM | Just type Dylan Avery..3rd
video on list I believe by DoctorWho? | Aug 3rd, 2006 07:00:32 PM | i think... by arhat23 | Aug 3rd, 2006 07:11:13 PM | This was the joke that got me
banned... by dogapeandman2 | Aug 3rd, 2006 07:52:48 PM | "9/11 deniers" hmm deniers by zfisk | Aug 3rd, 2006 08:10:11 PM | Necco by ganymede2010 | Aug 3rd, 2006 08:34:01 PM | that's a dumb joke by white owl | Aug 3rd, 2006 08:38:14 PM | To Eaglet1138, Way at the Top by Mr. Winston | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:03:23 PM | ganymede2010 by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:08:01 PM | zfisk/homewrecker by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:19:49 PM | And while your at it
ganymede2010... by DoctorWho? | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:33:09 PM | No Arab DNA, Doh! by cantankerous | Aug 3rd, 2006 09:55:16 PM | I SAW IT TONIGHT: Michael
Shannon IS CAPTAIN AMERICA! by stlfilmwire | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:19:59 PM | Well stlfilmwire, I'd tell
Spielberg by Orbots Commander | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:33:19 PM | Cantankerous by brokebackcowboy | Aug 3rd, 2006 10:58:24 PM | Nice Gaius and DoctorWho by brokebackcowboy | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:03:42 PM | Oh yeah, Fox News reports that
Osama's son by brokebackcowboy | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:12:17 PM | Don't mean to introduce
yet ANOTHER conspiracy by brokebackcowboy | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:20:30 PM | Idiot Cospiracy Theorists by tritium | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:32:36 PM | no CAP movie by calami-shami | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:35:26 PM | Ooo, so clever
brokebackcowboy. by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:43:05 PM | Tritium by brokebackcowboy | Aug 3rd, 2006 11:47:05 PM | Nice Gaius by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 12:00:27 AM | brokeback... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 12:11:58 AM | Nice Gaius by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 12:26:10 AM | Mr nice Gaius! by ganymede2010 | Aug 4th, 2006 12:50:57 AM | Lyman Lemnitzer was demoted
after Northwoods. by Walterego | Aug 4th, 2006 01:12:00 AM | Doctorwho! by ganymede2010 | Aug 4th, 2006 01:15:40 AM | Doctorwho! by ganymede2010 | Aug 4th, 2006 01:15:41 AM | America is due another 9/11
and then some by darkfalz79 | Aug 4th, 2006 01:49:35 AM | mr winston by stickmangrit | Aug 4th, 2006 02:16:04 AM | stickmangrit by Mr. Winston | Aug 4th, 2006 02:58:44 AM | "bringing their wretched
holocaust lingo" by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 03:22:11 AM | as for darkfalz/darkfalz79... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 03:26:30 AM | "wasn't exposed to heat
greater then 250 degrees." by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 03:59:20 AM | And yes, by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 04:01:35 AM | Brokeback by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 04:06:32 AM | darkfalz you need to Live Free
or Die Hard by spectrebeeyatch | Aug 4th, 2006 04:14:21 AM | here is what JFK said 10 days
before his assassination by boast | Aug 4th, 2006 04:22:44 AM | ganymede2010 - (unintended)
comedian by cantankerous | Aug 4th, 2006 06:09:21 AM | open mind by Obscura | Aug 4th, 2006 06:29:56 AM | Lost Prophet by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 07:48:57 AM | DocWho and DocPaz by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 07:58:17 AM | brokeback by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 08:03:19 AM | World Trade Center: The Movie by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 08:16:40 AM | Lost Prophet by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 08:24:08 AM | brokebackcowboy is more right
than he realizes. by cantankerous | Aug 4th, 2006 08:29:18 AM | Boast by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 08:34:53 AM | Matt Evans?? Best new
screenwriter by GenericJokeName | Aug 4th, 2006 08:40:30 AM | re brokedick by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 08:47:33 AM | SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, BRING THEM
HOME! by NathanH | Aug 4th, 2006 08:52:42 AM | Cantankerous by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 08:53:10 AM | Brokeback by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 08:54:28 AM | DocPazuzu by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 08:59:03 AM | Damned if you do... by cantankerous | Aug 4th, 2006 09:02:20 AM | brokedick by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 09:03:02 AM | Response to a quote from the
review by ArkadyRenko | Aug 4th, 2006 09:11:27 AM | DocPazuzu by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 09:14:03 AM | Good lord... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 09:28:25 AM | MNG by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 09:31:53 AM | brokedick by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 09:35:17 AM | MNG & Lost Prophet by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 09:40:20 AM | Doc P by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 09:42:24 AM | re: brokebackcowboy by cantankerous | Aug 4th, 2006 09:42:30 AM | L P by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 09:51:05 AM | ganymede2010 by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 09:53:42 AM | DocPazuzu by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 09:53:45 AM | Why do they need by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 09:53:54 AM | well, (tinfoil) hats by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 09:57:07 AM | Cantankerous by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 09:59:37 AM | Lost Prophet by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 10:04:17 AM | cocolopez signed... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 10:04:36 AM | no, really by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 10:11:43 AM | Yackbacker by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 10:16:01 AM | Yackbacker by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 10:17:11 AM | I don't engage in these
debates... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 10:23:34 AM | Keep an Open Mind by midgard serpent | Aug 4th, 2006 10:31:47 AM | So, ummm Yackbacker... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 10:43:31 AM | Lack of Evidence by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 10:46:36 AM | fuck transformers by Lost Prophet | Aug 4th, 2006 10:50:42 AM | bad movie - bad review by tremont | Aug 4th, 2006 11:27:50 AM | midgard serpent - late to the
party by cantankerous | Aug 4th, 2006 11:57:46 AM | Yackbacker, I don't engage
debate to change minds here. by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 12:40:45 PM | Midgard,and anyone else... by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 01:04:52 PM | Yackbacker by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 01:08:11 PM | "low-rent snide insults" by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 01:16:30 PM | Yackbacker by brokebackcowboy | Aug 4th, 2006 01:23:54 PM | Ha! by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 01:37:12 PM | Washington Post - "Government
lied about 9/11" by boast | Aug 4th, 2006 01:52:09 PM | Brokedick says"I posted maybe
3 to 4 comments ... by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 02:09:34 PM | It is to be expected.... by ArkadyRenko | Aug 4th, 2006 02:27:21 PM | Oh, and by the way... by ArkadyRenko | Aug 4th, 2006 02:30:01 PM | ArkadyRenko by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 02:35:48 PM | DoctorWho? by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 02:37:27 PM | 95% of the world population
hates George W. Bush by ArkadyRenko | Aug 4th, 2006 03:07:43 PM | I expect as much Docpazuzu. by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 03:10:25 PM | BUSTED! brokebackcowboy is
another DocPazuzu PUPPET!!!! by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 04:14:56 PM | Bwwwwwwaaaaa... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 04:31:27 PM | Zfisk, you crack me up! by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 04:35:44 PM | Mod, you need to stop lying
to yourself by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 04:39:39 PM | Name one conspiracy that's
been proven. by Orionsangels | Aug 4th, 2006 04:39:50 PM | WOW. by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 04:40:47 PM | And please... by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 04:41:49 PM | I can't fucking WAIT... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 04:43:18 PM | Doc Paz... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 4th, 2006 04:47:31 PM | Brokeback, your pal is in need
of help. by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 04:52:57 PM | The best thing... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 04:57:25 PM | By the way, brokedick... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 05:12:25 PM | LOL by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 05:45:53 PM | "even he thinks you're
getting your ass handed to
you" by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 06:44:00 PM | lol by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 06:50:33 PM | So, zfisk/homewrecker... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 06:54:48 PM | stop. lying. by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 07:19:31 PM | Why do people applaud at
movies? They must be idiots! by BlueMax | Aug 4th, 2006 07:30:07 PM | Refresh my memory,
fruitcake... by DocPazuzu | Aug 4th, 2006 07:30:59 PM | Hey Brokeback... by DoctorWho? | Aug 4th, 2006 08:47:44 PM | keep on lying.. that's
what you jews do best by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 10:44:12 PM | youre just proving that mel
gibson was right by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 10:51:17 PM | dishonest fucks.. fucking
immoral to the core by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 10:58:04 PM | mel gibson is 100% right!!
http://tinyurl.com/ntqzt by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 11:14:09 PM | google this, fuckhead by zfisk | Aug 4th, 2006 11:20:23 PM | Whoa dude, your on a roll! by DoctorWho? | Aug 5th, 2006 12:36:22 AM | Sorry I'm late to the
party kids... by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 5th, 2006 01:36:17 AM | hahahaha by DocPazuzu | Aug 5th, 2006 02:32:55 AM | I love you, fisky-poo! by DocPazuzu | Aug 5th, 2006 02:38:20 AM | Doc by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 5th, 2006 02:38:58 AM | Oliver Stone and his eightball
of cocaine can go... by Spiderhulk | Aug 5th, 2006 10:32:55 AM | ZFisk and the Battle Against
The Dribbling Loons by brokebackcowboy | Aug 5th, 2006 03:11:36 PM | Zfisk and Brokeback by Lost Prophet | Aug 7th, 2006 04:28:01 AM | If you ask me, Zfisk was
attacking anti-semitism... by ArkadyRenko | Aug 7th, 2006 10:10:05 AM | ArkadyRenko by Mr Nice Gaius | Aug 7th, 2006 10:14:57 AM | Arkady by Lost Prophet | Aug 7th, 2006 10:20:45 AM | Good Lord!!!!!!! by ArkadyRenko | Aug 7th, 2006 04:07:12 PM | Lost Prophet by brokebackcowboy | Aug 7th, 2006 10:08:56 PM | Examples of Neo-Nazi websites by brokebackcowboy | Aug 7th, 2006 10:15:56 PM | websites by m2298 | Aug 8th, 2006 10:54:20 AM |
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