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Casting already underway with Favreau's IRON MAN film? Juicy rumor here...

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with a nice, juicy casting rumor for you folks. A few days ago there was word that reached my ears about the role of Tony Stark in Jon Favreau's IRON MAN being offered to a very interesting actor. The word was that IRON MAN was being offered to HUSTLE & FLOW's Terrence Howard. That rumor was bizarre, yet somehow fitting. In the recent interview I did with Jon Favreau at Comic-Con, he told me that he was looking for a great actor that hadn't hit it huge yet, a name that wouldn't overshadow the title of the film. Howard fit that bill.

So, I checked in with sources deep within Paramount and Marvel to see if I could confirm this weird rumor. Besides having the perfect mustache for the role, I think a lot of fans wouldn't have been able to get around the racial difference, much like they didn't get behind Michael Clarke Duncan as Kingpin in DAREDEVIL.

I finally got one of my sources to tell me that Terrence Howard was indeed offered a role in IRON MAN, but not that of Tony Stark.

Going over my interview again, Favreau listed off a number of IRON MAN regulars who would appear in the film. The obvious conclusion I reached was that Terrence Howard was offered the role of James Rhodes, good friend to Tony Stark and future bearer of the armor and IRON MAN identity. He became known as War Machine after Stark reclaimed the name and suit.

So, that's the word. Terrence Howard has been offered the role of James Rhodes in the IRON MAN film. No guarantee he'll take it, but I think Howard is one of the most interesting actors working in the business today and his presence in the film will only make it better. Especially if we get to see Howard don a super suit in this film (or sequels) and kick some ass. What do you folks think?





-Quint
quint@aintitcool.com





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  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:51 a.m. CST

    Eh, I'd rather see him cast as Stark.

    by xavier masterson

    Now, THAT would get me interested in this project.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:52 a.m. CST

    First

    by mrtwig48

    First

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    First

    by Napolean Solo

    And for Terence Howard... GREAT!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    er...

    by Napolean Solo

    third?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:55 a.m. CST

    No, please god no...

    by abiggerboat

    That would be fucking crap casting! I hope they don't go with him

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Too Soon

    by Nairb The Movie

    He'll CRASH the suit...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:59 a.m. CST

    Actually...

    by GrubStreeter

    I think it's an interesting idea. I'd be cool with this. He'd be a good Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7 a.m. CST

    No kidding

    by mrtwig48

    I hope those execs realize that we didn't like Michael Clark Duncan as Kingpin because he was black. It was because the movie sucked and he sucked in the role.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7 a.m. CST

    Wasn't

    by HOTDOGVNDR

    Tony a little ethnic looking anyways.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST

    if he was cast as Stark...

    by keepcoolbutcare

    Ghostface Killah would be pissed.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Methinks . . .

    by Petro45

    some people posted without actually finishing the article.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Pretty safe casting

    by JuggFuckler

    Howard was awesome in Hustle and Flow, was in last year's Best Picture, and almost looks white! Good job Favreau! Now its time for the Replacements 2: Electic Boogaloo.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Is this a problem?

    by Shermdawg

    Tony's just a rich drunk in armor. And since it's gonna be cg'd out the ying yang, all he's gotta worry about is teh booze. Cast him as Stark. No big deal. Hell, if I was in charge of a X-men reboot, I'd make Xavier black.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Tony Stark

    by FearlessJay

    Having actually finished the article... *nod to Petro45* if they had gone that way, I will agree that Howard would make an interesting Stark, but I think fans would be divided on it. Heck, who am I kidding. No matter who they cast the fans will be divided.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Howard is awesome, but not Tony

    by stlfilmwire

    Howard would be fine as Stark's pal. I'd also love to see him suit up and assist Iron Man. Maybe a good excuse to put another version of the suit up on the screen... which would be great.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Tony in the suit

    by silentfoofighter

    good choice? (follow the link to find out) i think he works in the role (i crack myself up somtimes) http://img144.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tisironmancopyzq0.jpg

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Tony Crudup would be good indeed!

    by silentbobafett2

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST

    They should cast Howard as Stark BUT..

    by Borgnine JR

    ...to make everyone happy they could CGI him white!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:45 a.m. CST

    Ferrell as Goulet as Stark as Iron Man

    by Shermdawg

    I'd see it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:46 a.m. CST

    You all suck. Howard would be great in ANYTHING.

    by Cash Bailey

    I've don't know a single thing about this comic but to see Terrence Howard taking the lead in a big movie can only ever be a good thing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Billy Crudup is too short.

    by Rant Breath

    He's not action hero material unless you're casting Puck from Alpha Flight. Mark Ruffalo is a better choice.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Fits in Jim Rhodes' spot aka War Machine

    by bodyslam911

    But as Stark it would be stupid,then let's cast Dustin Diamond as the Black Panther.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Peter Dinklage for Iron Man!

    by tripp5

    that whole "forced perspective" filming thing will fix any height issues. its how tom cruise made his career.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:03 a.m. CST

    Thats the word???

    by Drworm2002

    Um, no...he was offered a role and you assume that it was the role of Rhodes. He could be anyone.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:04 a.m. CST

    It's hard out here for a pimp

    by c4andmore

    give Howard a break, that would be great casting

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    The article states: HOWARD OFFERED JAMES RHODES

    by McGsStepson

    NOT TONY STARK. For fuck's sake, please finish the article before posting.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST

    F*CK BLACK BEST FRIENDS!!

    by HCEarwicker

    He'd be a great Stark. Who needs a jet-age steppenfetchit?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Good actor... But come on....

    by Mr. Profit

    There are better black actors out there who can pull off the role better. And if they are going this route, for the LOVE of Mel Gibson keep Beyonce FAR FAR AWAY!!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    McGsStepson,we know. At least some of us. :P

    by Shermdawg

    Others are just tossing around the idea if he was casted as Tony. (And why not?) Frankly, they should cast him as Tony, and Jamie Foxx as Rhodes.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:18 a.m. CST

    Wow, like ten percent of posters...

    by Childe Roland

    ...actually have the first fucking clue what they're typing about in here. It's pretty funny. I wonder if that figure can be applied to most talkbacks. As for what the article actually said, excellent idea. Of course now they have to go above and beyond to find a guy for Tony who won't be overshadowed by Rhodes on screen.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:19 a.m. CST

    Iron Man Possibilities

    by SamuelLappDance

    Matt Dillon would be good. So, too, would Bobby Cannavale and/or Dominic West.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST

    The ONLY Iron Man is...

    by Driver8

    Jeremy Irons. *snort*

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST

    John Singleton's not gonna be happy...

    by Ribbons

    ...seeing as he wants Terrence Howard for Diamondback in his Luke Cage movie. I figure this has got to lower the probability of that ever happening. Anyway, Howard's a good actor; he was the best thing about 'Crash,' in fact. But, like some have said, hopefully whoever they cast as Tony Stark isn't overshadowed by his presence.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:31 a.m. CST

    "Iron Man, Iron Man, Does whatever an Iron can!"

    by pokadoo

    Score by Danny Elfman. Title song by Pauly Shore & Stephen Baldwin.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    what about Ryan Reynolds

    by warm_turtle

    He would be a good iron face.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Terrance Howard is the man

    by rubensreviews

    I always said it. The man deserves big time for not doing stupid shit like little man comedies.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Marginal Utility of Agonization

    by Aquatarkusman

    Like it matters, nobody knows this property.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Iron Man

    by Thurid

    There are only three actors who could possibly play Iron Man and do him justice. Terence Stamp, a CG young Billy Crystal, or Ralph Macchio.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    For a second there...

    by Harysuxafat1

    I was thinking Favreau had Singered himself right in the ass but thankfully I finished the article. Could be a nice choice here.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Iron Man: actor should be older than Tobey's Spiderman

    by stlfilmwire

    If the two ever have a crossover moment, Iron Man needs to come off as a big brother to Spidey. Maybe have Timothy Olyphant as Tony Stark, and Howard as Rhodes. Just a thought.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    DJ is the Iron-MAN

    by FordPerfect

    Ryan Reynolds no! He is Hawkeye more than anyone else or the flash. I don't think Terrence could nail it ike we want him to but it would be enjoyable to watch. tom Cruise 5 years age would have been the best choice, but now I am not so sure anyone would want him in that role. No one knows who is the best choice, I just hope its not Vince Vaughn

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Ozzie Osbourne is a rich drunk

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Now that would show some balls in casting.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:50 a.m. CST

    George Bush is a rich drunk

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Now that would show even bigger balls in casting

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Now as War Machine

    by FordPerfect

    I am fucking sold MAN!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Howard should be doing more than black sidekicks

    by dr_buggerlugs

    The man got talent and after Crash and Hustle & Flow, he's in a prime position to try and find some good lead roles in order to make a real attempt at Denzel's throne rather than playing second fiddle as the 'mesa black sidekick' part. If they have any real balls, cast him as Stark - I was actually digging that idea at the beginning of the article.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson as Stark

    by Barmat

    Mel Gibson is the only one that can play the pure Iron man.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Only if Mel played Stark using the Method...

    by dr_buggerlugs

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    the ONLY person who can play Tony Stark:

    by Cory849

    Christina Applegate.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9 a.m. CST

    this is some interesting casting...

    by Pirate_King

    I've not seen Howard in anything but from his Hustle/Crash pedigree it does seem like Monica's-Rich-Boyfiend/Mikey-From-Swingers is on the right track. If you ask me, the perfect Iron Man needs to have that womanising charm, that Errol Flynn-esque look, the build to not make the armour be too bulky, and be a decent actor to boot. So, Jude Law anyone?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Howard is a good choice for Stark.

    by Nice Marmot

    Duncan as Kingpin still sucks.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    They should CGI in Clark Gable as Stark!!

    by Borgnine JR

    And cast Henry Simmons as Luke Cage. He's a decent actor and has the intimidation factor.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Cast Timothy Olyphant as Tony Stark

    by Starkers

    Timothy Olyphant is the right age (38), well known from supporting roles in movies and as one of the leads of Deadwood, and most importantly he can pull off the 'stach. He can act subdued, yet with a certain rage bubbling just underneath (Deadwood) , as well as crazy over the top insanity (The Girl next Door")

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST

    Michael Clarke Duncan

    by DwightSchrute

    I could've enjoyed Duncan as Kingpin, and had no problem with the racial difference, it was just that I was already asleep by the time he appeared..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:13 a.m. CST

    okay, while we're talking about Kingpin...

    by Pirate_King

    I still say, as I did then, the Meatloaf shoulda done it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Announced Villan

    by Bob_Loblaw

    Hulk Hogan as the Mandarin!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Hogan SHOULD play the Mandarin

    by Pirate_King

    after all, he's got plenty of experience acting in "rings". Plus, he does have the same complexion as a small orange...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    I Howard would be a great Tony Stark.

    by Orbots Commander

    The Tony Stark character, other than his alcoholism, is a pretty generic billionaire playboy and engineering genius. I don't think it would be a huge issue with fanboys if a great African American actor was cast in the role. Terrence Howard fits that to a 'T'. HUSTLE AND FLOW was awesome.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    That should read 'I think Howard...'; oops.

    by Orbots Commander

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Howard as Stark!

    by Saluki

    Hell yeah! Still, if he is going to be Rhodes, then this bodes VERY well for the rest of the casting. Damn, could this be another Batman Begins!?!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant, Peter Sarsgaard, Liev Schreiber, or..

    by stlfilmwire

    Timothy Olyphant, Peter Sarsgaard, Liev Schreiber could all do great jobs.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:27 a.m. CST

    M. Night Shymalan as Tony Stark!

    by ldm882

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Tony Stark Is Italian you Mooks

    by JUSTICE41

    Italian. How in the world can you make A black guy Italian. Besides Favs wants him for Starks Helicopter Pilot Jimmy Rhodes, kinda like TC on Magnum PI.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger is the new Joker

    by chains

    Just saw it on CNN.com... is this site sleeping or was this reported before?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST

    It's hard out there for a War Machine

    by oisin5199

    sorry, had to say it. Howard's one of the best new actors out there, black or not. He'll be great in any role.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    uh, chains where ya been?

    by Shermdawg

    There's been like three since ComicCon.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    LOL

    by dead youngling

    oisin, thanks for the morning laugh!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    France

    by chains

    on vacation for two weeks... guess that explains it. but the press release was only yesterday... so I'm not THAT big of a loser.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Better not be iron man... it's like casting halle berry

    by Spiderhulk

    as catwoman for crying out loud....... although I like the idea of him being james rhodes...... listen hollywood I'm all for affirmative action, and getting out as many opportunities as possible for minorities in hollywood... but when it comes to comics, switching the colour of famous icons that have been around a century doesn't cut the bill. CATWOMAN is not black. They almost casted lois lane with beyonce..... thank god that was passed up. I dont mind kingpin so much as a black guy in daredevil, but that's because I never really paid too much attention to his character in the comic books, plus its hard to find a huge white guy that isn't some kind of steroid freak body builder/porn star.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Director cameo?

    by filmcans

    I say Favreau should play Fin Fang Foom. Just a couple more of those 1/3 lb. Hardee's Cheesesteak Burgers and he's almost there.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Terrence Howard should have been Tubbs!

    by BigTuna

    in Miami Vice!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Black Stark/white Rhodes?

    by rev_skarekroe

    Y'know what? Why the hell not?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I still like the idea of Leonardo DiCaprio as iron man

    by Spiderhulk

    he played howard hughes!!!! I mean casting iron man as terrance howard to me, is like what if scorceses had cast terrance howard as howard hughes in The aviator...... would it have been as highly acclaimed as it is now? or would everyone have though he was colour blind....... To me comic book characters are real, when you do a comic book movie your essentially doing a biopic of these peoples lives.... I dont care if there's not enough black comic book characters out there... I think there is though, look at storm, blade, rhodes, spawn etc.... the list goes on dudes, no need to make iron man black,... just doesn't fit the bill...... although i do like the idea of a leo and terrance howard team up.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    re: filmcans - director cameo

    by Pirate_King

    I thought he was getting into shape to play Modok... or he could just turn up as Foggy Nelson again and make some reference to an old sitcom, maybe take the piss out of a blind guy by swapping putting mustard in his coffee...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Here's a thought...

    by kbass

    How about Tom Cruise as Tony Stark? Has anybody thought of that?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Nobody's mentioned Viggo Mortenson

    by Volstaff

    Stick a stache on him,he'd be perfect for Stark.Plus like Howard, he brings a lot of depth to any role he takes on.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    TH would make a great Tony Stark!

    by Hjermsted

    He is a fantastic actor and would pull it off a wealthy industrialist super hero with ease (and when Tony starts dealing with alcoholism in the sequels... damn! I'd love to see TH in that role). Here's to hoping that Favreau and co. are ballsy enough to cast Terence Howard as Tony Stark after all!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    hmm

    by Volstaff

    I know the guy's not that young anymore ( he's not that old either), but I wish they'd stop worrying about launching a 3-4 movie franchise and just try to make a great movie.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10 a.m. CST

    Steve Buscemi as Tony Stark would be cool.

    by HypeEndsHere

    too bad Noah Wylie has been offered the part.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST

    No need to fix marvel characters, DC yes is racist ....

    by Spiderhulk

    That's why I can handle green lantern as a black guy... there's not many minorities in DC as superheroes or villains for that matter. Marvel's a little bit more balanced, so no need to switch it around with movie adaptions...... but when it comes to the racist crap that is DC do whatever you want.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Normally I wouldn't care about changing the race

    by The Funketeer

    but the racial differences between the two partially defined their relationship. Changing that would change the characters.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Y'know what?

    by staticneuron

    Who would have made a better kingpin than clark? I think he just recieved some bad acting tips from the director.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Viggo may be busy.

    by Shermdawg

    Supposedly, Kojima wants him to be Snake in the MGS flick.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Daniel Day Lewis...

    by IAmMrMonkey

    ..for Tony Stark!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Jayjew that's racist... but rap does require no talent

    by Spiderhulk

    It's like banging on pans, and pots talent. Anyone can rhyme, anyone can pretend they havez good skillz with words, but if i were to actually get into a debate on important international topics with 50 cent, or Eminem.... I know for fucking sure I'd win. These people spend hours just trying to rhyme two words together, get someone with really talent in the studio to mix them a beat from existing @#$#ing music and call themselves artists. RAP IS DEGRADING TO OUR GENERATION AS INTELLIGENT PEOPLE...... bring back psychadelic rock dammit.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Billy Dee Williams can't be Harvey Dent!

    by Thylacine

    Swing it like it's 1989. But no one seemed to mind Eartha Kitt in '68? Well, except when she spoke against the war.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    captboulder...

    by Pirate_King

    There's a big difference between "casting young" and NOT casting someone too old- Matt Damon as Peter Parker? Matt "32 years old in 2002" Damon as Peter "High School Student" Parker? No disrespect to you but that simply wouldn't have worked (except, you know, in Grease...). And Viggo's pushing 50, so again he's that bit too old. Someone in their mid- to late-30's is the age range you're looking for for Stark- young enough to still be an action hero and a womaniser, old enough to be beleivable as a CEO. Plus, you throw in the "boy genius" thing from the Ultimate storyline, and you've got a believable age-range. And as for Kingpin, I've said it before and I'll say it again - Meatloaf.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Pirate_King you know who fits that bill exactly?

    by Spiderhulk

    LEONARDO DICAPRIO!!!... that's right im sayin it...... leo is ironman!! THINK HOWARD HUGHES!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Spiderhulk

    by Pirate_King

    I cannot help but agree

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Oooooooooohhh. Timothy Olyphant. I like that a LOT.

    by Chastain-86

    Whoever recommended that casting choice is a freaking genius.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Pirate_King, and to you, I say this...

    by Shermdawg

    "Meatloaf, shmeatloaf, double-beatloaf, I HATE MEATLOAF!!!"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I think the problem with Michael Clark Duncan

    by Novaman5000

    As Kingpin in "Daredevil", wasn't that he was black so much as it was that the movie he was in fucking sucked. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Terrance as Warmachine will outshine the lead actor!

    by ganymede2010

    That's why I think Howard will be Tony Stark. After watching Hustle and flow I was fucking sold on Howard. He has the looks, remarkable talent, and versatility to pull off the role. Howard steals every fucking scene he's been in over the last few years. So I can't imagine someone outshining him in the lead role. Casting him as Rhodes is the logical choice. But it doesn't make sense to cast one of the best young actors in the game as a sidekick.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    I have only this to say...

    by MrGrooveBoogey

    It's hard out here for a pimp.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:44 a.m. CST

    There's only one role Terrence Howard is perfect for

    by MrBoinfoint

    And that's as Hermes conrad in the live action version of Futurama.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Jon Favreau raped my childhood.

    by Thumper2k1

    I don't know anything about Iron Man, never read the comic, and I could care less about him. But this casting decision makes me angry. Who is going to boycott this movie with me? And please sign my petition to get someone else to play the part that Howard is supposed to play.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:48 a.m. CST

    War Machine.....

    by sith-vol

    ...I could see Terrance Howard in that role...but who cares? Iron Man sucks.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Terrance could be Stark or Rhodes man!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    He's the shit! I'm glad he's finally getting the long overdue limelight. I've been a fan of his for a long time (remember Mr. Holland's Opus?!)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Duncan was horrible in DD

    by BobParr

    It was a given that Affleck would be horrible. Colin Ferrel was great as Bullseye. I believe the movie could have been salvaged with a good "Kingpin". He is a great villian. Duncan didn't have a clue as to who the Kingpin was. He should have had perfect diction. His strength and speed should have been surprising.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:05 a.m. CST

    MCD was a dope Kingpin. FUCK THE HATERS!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    It's just too bad Stan Lee sold the Marvel properties to so many different studios because then the Kingpin could cross over to other Comic films. (Ala the mid 90's Spider-Man cartoon.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Oh, and FUCK you JAYJEW!!!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Pussy ass bitch!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST

    iT makes sense Ganymede IF

    by rubensreviews

    the writers make it so Tony start is already giving up his role as Iron Man. They can introduce Tony Stark, his escape, his creation of iron man, and then Terrance Howard becomes War Machine for the rest of the film

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Kiefer Sutherland is Iron Man

    by Scream27

    I've always seen Kiefer Sutherland as Iron Man. He is old enough, and could play a drunk.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Re: Marginal Utility of Agonization

    by MachinaMan

    Good point. I suspect that the amount of Iron Man fans, though hard-core, are relatively few. This means that, if they wanted to cast Terrance Howard as Tony Stark

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    "I've always seen Kiefer Sutherland as Iron Man"

    by Shermdawg

    When you say "always", do you mean roughly six years ago? ;)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Re: Better not be iron man... it's like casting halle b

    by MachinaMan

    Has nothing to do with 'affirmative action', more than Terrance Howard is one of the better actors in Hollywood and could pull off Tony Stark or anyone else for that matter, 'nuff said.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    not a bad casting choice

    by mister nar

    first, howard is half black and half white and outside of the timothy olyphant idea...i can't think of a better casting. secondly, howard takes every role seriously and always brings an amazing performance...even if the movie he is in is trash. tony stark is a genius and a hero, but he is also very smooth yet arrogant, and manipulative...he is very flawed which makes him sympathetic. howard is one of the few actors that can do all of that. people saying he shouldn't be cased because he is a shade too dark need to go take a look at some iron man comics and see how much more darker tony stark's skin is compared to his fellow avengers.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Olyphant is an amazing suggestion...

    by andrew coleman

    I don't know what is up with you guys but Howard would be amazing as War Machine who probably have a huge part in the next flick, so calm down. For Stark like many have already stated Olyphant if you don't beleive it rent Deadwood.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST

    Having watched Nick Fury just last night...

    by Alonzo Mosely

    It has to be Hasselhoff for Stark... He can grow fine facial hair, he brings in the International audience, he is already an out-of-control drunk, so no acting needed for that element of the script, and he will work for beer and pizza.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST

    by VoodooV

    It would be kinda cool I think if they made stark black and rhodes white. cuz as much as I love the original Stark/Rhodes dynamic...It would be fun to see them change it up a bit if only to silence the PC snobs that might argue that its bad for race relations for a black rhodes to play second fiddle to the white man.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    You know...

    by KentDorfman

    ...its hard out here for an iron pimp

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:35 a.m. CST

    It won't be Olyphant because

    by Orbots Commander

    with Terrence Howard in the movie, he'll outshine the lead actor. He wouldn't just outshine Olyphant, he'd figuratively shove him off the screen in every scene. It's a given. If Howard is Jim Rhodes, then the only way they can go with Tony Stark is to cast somebody like Tom Cruise or another big name. Otherwise, Favreau should just have Howard be Tony Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Will he fight anybody in this?

    by Neo Zeed

    Or will this be like Superman Returns....Holding planes n' shit.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    They should make war machine a midget

    by Funk4America

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Equation: Tony Stark < Bruce Wayne or Clark Kent

    by Orbots Commander

    In other words, the concept of Iron Man is a classic character, but not Tony Stark, per se. The casting of Stark is very flexible and wide-open. Just cast a good actor who can pull off both a suave playboy and an engineering genius at the same time.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST

    I&#39;d be happy with him as Stark

    by -=Shin=-

    I&#39;m tired of every superhero having to be white at this point. Howard would be fine as Tony Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:45 a.m. CST

    DJ Caruso as Stark

    by wash

    Nah, j/k. I think Howard is a great actor - I can see him as Stark. Iron Man isn&#39;t such an iconic charcater that you can&#39;t change something as trivial as the character&#39;s race. And please stop this nonsense talk about DiCraprio - don&#39;t give them any ideas.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Marvel/DC "Racism"

    by MCVamp

    Spiderhulk, your post above confuses me a bit. You say DC is a bit racist compared to Marvel and i don&#39;t see it, really. If you mean the movies, all they&#39;ve done is recast the Kingpin. If you mean the comics, the track record is about the same. There is diversity creeping around the edges of both companies, but of course you can&#39;t make Superman or Wolverine Asian or Cuban all of a sudden. DC DID have VIBE, however, a very stereotypical Latino superhero who spoke like Rita Moreno in West Side Story "Jes man, joo right." Then again, Luke Cage used to run around in a yellow disco shirt and call people "jive-turkey." Either way, things have gotten a little more colorful. There&#39;s a new Asian Atom, a new Latino Blue Beetle, Luke Cage is now realistically written, and even the Chinese Radioactive Man gets a little more respect thanks to the Thunderbolts. Now if only the next Robin is half-Cuban/half-Kazhakstani...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:34 p.m. CST

    LEONARDO DICAPRIO FOR TONY STARK!!

    by Spiderhulk

    Come on people!!! Jump on the band wagon.... the guy nailed HOWARD HUGHES... connect the dots... who is TONY STARK??? HE IS HOWARD HUGHES... except with a different dibilitating disease, it&#39;s called alcoholism and shrapnel or brain tumour instead of crazinesss, but basically the same thing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Clive Owen as Stark

    by mr.underwater

    Clive Owen as Stark Clive Owen as Stark Clive Owen as Stark Clive Owen as Stark Clive Owen as Stark Clive Owen as Stark I&#39;m not going to shut up about it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:48 p.m. CST

    The only man who can play Tony Stark

    by jim

    is Anthony Starke! (Is he still around?)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:49 p.m. CST

    let&#39;s get it out of our system:

    by HypeEndsHere

    "You know it&#39;s hard out here for a gimp."

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    The problem with MCD&#39;s Kingpin was not the

    by jim

    colour of his skin, it was that they made the Kingpin a pussy. "You won&#39;t tell anyone who I am because you will be embarrassed if people find out you were beaten by a blind man". Screw that! Kingpin would make a couple of calls and have every person Matt Murdock ever met killed, just to get back at him. And never have to admit it was because he was beaten by a blind man.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    BigTuna RE: Terrence Howard = Tubbs!

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    Hell yeah! Jamie Foxx was all wrong for that role! Philip Michael Thomas must be rolling around in his grave...he&#39;s dead right?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:54 p.m. CST

    You really need to get off the DiCaprio thing...

    by Childe Roland

    ...Spiderhulk. Or do you want redesigned Iron Man armor with a clear faceshield? Even if Leo didn&#39;t demand that (and he would), how silly would his squeaky or put-on-grown-up-deep voice sound coming out of the Iron Man armor? Matt Dillon was the best realistic suggestion I&#39;ve heard so far (assuming we can&#39;t get in a time machine and grab Tim Dalton or Kevin Kline from fifteen years ago). Plus, we know Dillon can work with Terrance. They helped make the ridiculously contrived and "untrue" Crash a hit with critics. If anyone can sell portable armor weapons platforms to a largely non-giving-a-shit moviegoing public, it&#39;s these two.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Why Terrence Howard will be Rhodey and not Stark

    by Ye Not Guilty

    First of all, I think Terrence Howard would make an interesting choice as Stark, and I could see him pulling it off. But it won&#39;t happen for several reasons. First of all, as far as Hollywood studio execs are concerned, there is only one black leading man who can open a film to over $20 million, and that is Denzel Washington. The suits are convinced, rightly or wrongly, that general audiences won&#39;t turn out to see a film where the lead is played by a black man other than Denzel. Second, and this kind of plays back into the first concern, is that this film probably needs to open at at least $24 million or so. It&#39;s all about the opening weekend, baby. Terrence Howard is a fine actor, but he doesn&#39;t have the star power to open a film to $24 million by himself. So, Howard will be offered Rhodey, which should also be a good choice, and the role of Stark will go to some actor between 28-36 or so who isn&#39;t a huge star, but who has enough "Q" rating to open a film to between $20-30 million, and whose salary will fit within the film&#39;s budget. There are probably about a dozen or so actors Favs is looking at that fit that description. I wonder if Brandon Routh is available. He&#39;s a little young but would probably be affordable.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Joaquin Phoenix as Stark

    by Ye Not Guilty

    That&#39;s my official casting suggestion.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Black Tony Stark?

    by fiester

    Would they have getting getting ripped on 40s of Malt Liquor?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:22 p.m. CST

    My pick is Mathew Fox for Tony Stark

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    I was at the comic con pannel last week when someone suggested Fox to Favreau and i was on line ready to say the same thing and when he signed my poster i suggested Fox to him also....

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    They will probably buy out his contract a la Batman 89&#39;

    by b3mike

    Just like Warner Brothers bought off Billy Dee Williams contract to replace him with Tommy Lee Jones. Just food for thought.....

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    Most interesting actor in a long time

    by dastickboy

    The dude made me care about a pimp for gods sake! I&#39;d happily buy into Howard as Tony Stark, but if it&#39;s going to someone else, how about Matt Dillon?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:45 p.m. CST

    SpiderHulk!!!!

    by ganymede2010

    I&#39;ll bust a still pose, then hit you with some ill flows. That don&#39;t even make sense. Like Dikes using Dildo&#39;s! Eminem is sickest lyrcist ever. If Rap is so easy, how come you don&#39;t drop an album? You&#39;ll be close to being a billionaire before age 30! Like Eminem. So who&#39;s the one with no talent? Eminem, or sucka&#39;s like you who make 9 bucks an hour lol.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:52 p.m. CST

    You can call relax-

    by Ooooooohhh!!!

    -I&#39;ve solved your little Tony Stark casting problem for you. Sam Rockwell. No need to thank me...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:02 p.m. CST

    BigTuna, yeah he SHOULD have been Tubbs!

    by ComputerGuy68

    how that assclown Foxx has an Oscar over Terrence Howard is a mystery to me. He should be the bigger star than him. This film may do it, just keep Elfman away from this...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:07 p.m. CST

    holding planes n&#39; shit

    by The Ghost of Marcus Brody

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Karl Urban

    by Datascream

    from LOTR and The Bourne Supremecy is my pick. That&#39;s my story and I&#39;m sticking to it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Hmm, Dillon and Howard, could work...

    by ComputerGuy68

    cash in on the "Crash" succes. But the studio would not put Matt as the lead in a big budget flim.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:21 p.m. CST

    jayjew + spiderhulk = 2 buckets of white trash

    by Bulldoggie

    Just so you fucking nerds know, rap music has thrown more props to your stupid comic books than any other musical medium. Take the BRILLIANT Ghostface Killer aka Tony Stark (for those of you that are not rasict crackers please peep his new album Fishscale)or the great Inspecta Deck&#39;s Uncontroled Substance Album featuring such verses as " I eat planets like Galactus" Or "I grip the mic like the mighty Thor&#39;s hammer" BTW- TH in this film period is the best thing going for it. Hard out here for a pimp indeed . . .

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:26 p.m. CST

    So when they do a Falcon movie...

    by Nitestar

    How will people feel about it if they cast a white guy? This isn&#39;t about being racial, some characters are written a specific way (race included) for reasons of story. Changing race all the time for purposes of stunt casting has become so pretentious and predictable to cause a "stir".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Antwone Stark becomes Iron Man?

    by HypeEndsHere

    Will his wheelchair be pimped out? Antwone Stark: "Yo! My chair is hot, son. Fuck Professor X. Dis is da shizznit here! I got hydraulics and spinners on this wheelchair, bitches! Jealous?" Mandarin: "No. I can walk."

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, I forgot about Luke Cage too...

    by Nitestar

    I think they should cast pro wrestler Chris Jericho. He is the right build for the part, even if he is white...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    DANG!

    by glodene

    Terrence Howard would be a cool choice for Tony Stark/Ironman, afterall, he&#39;s White mixed with black. So all you assholes fixated on race, just focus on the white-side of his heritage...Btw, it wasn&#39;t MCD&#39;s fault that the script was piss poor, that&#39;s like blaming George Clooney for that crappy Batman & Robin fiasco.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Could see Tony Stark going to Vince Vaughn

    by LilOgre

    come on with favreau directing, combined with the whole alcoholic angle, this may happen. i&#39;m not saying i like it, just that there is an undeniable probability of this happening.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    DullDevil is awful

    by AlwaysThere

    The directors cut that aired on FX (Fox&#39;s cable network) doesn&#39;t make it any better. Affleck was wrong for the role and the direction was not good. Colin Farrell as Bullseye was the flicks only saving grace.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Good Call Bulldoggie!

    by ganymede2010

    Rappers have given mad props to comic book and science fiction movies. I can&#39;t name a Rap album where there isn&#39;t a Marvel, or an Starwras referece. In reality, rappers are comic book reading book wormed nerds. Trust me, only nerds care about the shit they rap about. And don&#39;t forget Ghostface Killa has a song titled Marvel, on his first LP titled "Iron Man". And Method Mans nickname is "Johnny Blaze" And the RZA&#39;s Marvel Alter ego is Bobby Steele. I&#39;m sure there&#39;s more, but that&#39;s all I can come up with now. So stop hating on rappers:)-

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST

    This race issue in comic movies is a joke, guys...

    by Childe Roland

    ...seriously. First off, Howard is no darker than I am right now and - despite what my racist dad might say about that being a result of my mom&#39;s African tainted Italian blood (and Stark&#39;s Italian, by the by) - that really has more to do with the natural variance of skin tones in individuals of the same "race" (stupid fucking word to continue using, by the way, considering we&#39;re all of the same fucking race -- human -- last time I checked) than where my ancestors claim they hail from (for example, my dad&#39;s own mom is dark complected thanks to the Mongolian conquest of eastern Europe in the 13th century, also responsible for the almond-shape of her and my eyes). Point being, if you guys are still really hung up on the race of a character who isn&#39;t specifically written to address a race issue (Captain America, for example, was written blue eyed and blonde haired as much to send a message to the Aryan supremacist Nazi movement as anything else), then there are far more educational films you should be watching than Iron Man and Daredevil. Let it go, fellas. None of you is "pure" anything unless you were grown in a lab.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Hey did anyone make a stink when they made Fury black?

    by ComputerGuy68

    in the Ultimate universe that is. He looks like Sam Jackson!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I saw the picture

    by Cloud_Leonheart

    before I even read the article, and immediately I noticed how much Howard resembles Stark. I think he could pull it off easily. too bad..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:15 p.m. CST

    ComputerGuy8

    by Cloud_Leonheart

    Fury WAS in fact modeled after sam L Jackson, with his consent of course. I shit you not.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Hmm.. is this a photo of Iron Man?

    by stlfilmwire

    Well, he certainly seems drunk: http://tinyurl.com/mw3kw

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s Fine, But That Would Mean He&#39;d Have To..

    by The Ender

    Lose some weight. And, not eat so much. Exercise maybe once every other day. Get in Shape. Maybe lose a few pounds. Stop eating every three minutes. And try to not be fat. That&#39;s about it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:55 p.m. CST

    I think Vince Vaughn as Stark can work.

    by FluffyUnbound

    I can&#39;t believe I just typed that, but it&#39;s true.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    black professor x

    by RefriedBeaner

    Shermdawg, the only person who could play a black Professor X is the guy who played Principal Blackman in Strangers with Candy: http://tinyurl.com/n4sj3 He&#39;s almost TOO perfect..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t like Terrence Howard.

    by CoursinLarry

    He seems stuck on himself.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:43 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m all for this casting

    by Norm3

    I&#39;m in favor of this casting. They could have Rhodes don the armor when Stark needs to appear in public with Iron Man, just like in the CB. But I can&#39;t stand when they change characters because of race demographics. Kingpin was just plain wrong.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    DJ in a power suit

    by dastickboy

    I&#39;m just hoping that as The Mandarin takes a beating Terrence Howard gets to say "Whoop that Chink!"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST

    This is bullshit

    by Remnant8

    You know what? I&#39;ve had it with this crap. Fuck political corrrectness and all it stands for. This is bullshit casting. Wanna know why? Because the guy&#39;s black. Case closed.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Remnant8, Rhodes is Black in the Comic, duh!

    by Norm3

    Rhoades has been around since the 70s try picking up the Comic Book some time. I hate PC but your wrong.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:57 p.m. CST

    My bad...

    by Remnant8

    Just noticed I misread the article above...still, I am glad he&#39;s not Stark. He might be a good actor, but if the character&#39;s white, be true to that.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    umm Remnant8, you did read the WHOLE story right?

    by ComputerGuy68

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5 p.m. CST

    ok nevermind...

    by ComputerGuy68

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Come on guys, Remmant8 was being sarcastic

    by ganymede2010

    Ease up, If you couldn&#39;t see the humor in his post, step away from the computer, pinch out of your roomates bag, and blow one!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Remnant8 wasn&#39;t being "sarcastic"

    by Neo Zeed

    He simply misread the post. Ease up.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    LEONARDO HUGHES FOR IRON MAN!!!

    by Spiderhulk

    ERR I MEAN DICAPRIO!! so hard to tell the difference. HOWARD HUGHES!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Well, if a PUSSY like Ledger can play The Joker...

    by KAWS

    Anything can happen. You know this to be true.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    THE BEST GUY FOR THE JOB!!! resurrect howard hughes

    by Spiderhulk

    we resurrect howard hughes from the grave via voodoo, frankenstein technology, or cloning....... then we dose him up with psychoactive drug therapy and electroshock so he doesn&#39;t go crazy... groom and grow him until he reaches relatively good acting ability, age, height, look...... then we FILM IRON MAN!!!! then kill him after we&#39;ve made sufficient sequals!!! ITS A SURE FIRE WAY!!....... I&#39;m telling you all!! THE FUTURE OF ACTING IS IN CLONING!!!! TOM CRUISE WILL BE CLONED!!! We WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF TOM CRUISE MOVIES!!!! WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF OPRAH WINFREY!!! WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF TOM GREEN!!! WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF ANDY DICK!!! WE WILL NEVER RUN OUT OF AWESOMENESS!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Terrance Howard better be Stark

    by antonphd

    cause otherwise they are going to have to find one bad ass motherfucker to not get completely outshined by Terrance. Good luck. Better pay whatever it takes to get a Clive Owen or someone of that caliber. No way any of the young guys can stack up to Terrance. Well, actually, Matthew Fox could, if you have Terrance put on the breaks a bit. Terrance is just to real. And he can be magnetic and real at the same time. It&#39;s hard not to outshine anyone who can&#39;t do that around you. Tom Cruise would NOT do well with Terrance in a supporting role. He wouldn&#39;t stand up to Terrance. Tom&#39;s too 2 dimensional. You have to put older(thus non-competitive) or less charasmatic people with Tom or he can&#39;t comptete. I say get Matthew Fox if Terrance isn&#39;t Stark. I say, make Terrance Stark and fuck the .00001% who give a shit about staying &#39;pure&#39; to the character. Iron Man isn&#39;t that popular. And many of us grew up with Rhodes as Ironman anyway. Who gives a fuck. The general public will see this movie cause the dude is make of fucking metal and flys and is generally bad fucking ass.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6 p.m. CST

    How to make a NOT sucky superhero movie

    by antonphd

    1) don&#39;t change the core shit that made the character work enought to span decades. 2) don&#39;t worry about the little shit. this isn&#39;t LOTR. no one really cares. the few who do, well, they really are just a few. 3) make your superhero movie FUCKING BAD ASS. PERIOD. it&#39;s not a drama, it&#39;s a fucking SUPER hero movie. SUPER. super. 4) don&#39;t be a pussy, make the movie FUCKING BAD ASS. *) superhero movies that suck... they suck because 1) bad filmmaking 2) bad actors 3) bad action. it&#39;s not rocket science.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:02 p.m. CST

    This Is Funny

    by AlabamaBaron

    While I myself dont find Terrence Howard as Iron Man to be very intriguing. The reasons for him not being so have been down right hilarious. I understand full well the reasons some of our lighter skinned talkbackers do not want to see a black Tony Starks. Hell he could have been one of your favorite characters as a kid. Even better the character of Tony Starks is italian, just for the sake of continuity you might like him to stay italian, thats cool. but some shit is just down right laughable. "I dont care if there&#39;s not enough black comic book characters out there... I think there is though, look at storm, blade, rhodes, spawn etc.... the list goes on dudes". YEAH RIGHT you named like four people and couldnt come up with another one. Lets see if I can name a few "white" comic book characters. ummhh...Cyclops, Gambit, Shadowkat, Jean Grey, Wolverine, Emma Frost, Iceman, Angel, Rouge you get the point. AND THESE ARE JUST X-MEN CHARACTERS. Thats cool. I&#39;m not saying the X-Men need to look like a negro league baseball team. I&#39;m just proving my point. Another good one. "then let&#39;s cast Dustin Diamond as the Black Panther". I think we can all agree that Iron Man is a much more recognizable character than The Black Panther. But do you really think that the skies will fall or the sea will rise, just because Howard is Iron Man. As far as casting Dustin Diamond as the black panther. I would be cool with that, if it didnt knock the number of black superheroes down to like 4(sarcastically speaking). I mean damn cant one black person be the MAIN focus of a superhero film. I know Catwoman was bad. but last I checked Halle Berry was a pretty good actress, she even has an oscar, and last I checked not everyone had one of those. And I dont blame the movie entirely on her. To reiterate I dont agree with Howard being cast as Starks(or for that matter Rhodes). I&#39;m just saying that some of the shit I hear on these talkbacks is getting pretty old. And wether Iron Man is Howard or not, we should be worried about wether the movie is good. Then Iron Man being black

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Kristen Bell as Toni Stark

    by DOGSOUP

    Just kidding...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:26 p.m. CST

    god, you&#39;re a bunch of idiots

    by omarthesnake

    except the good ones, you know who you are. But Rhodes? There&#39;s no frickin need for him in the movie. And besides, Howard would be PERFECT for Tony Stark. Put the racism aside, and it IS racism. The same shit Michael Clarke Duncan had to deal with when he was one of the good things about that damned Daredevil movie. But noooo, you pack of snivelly little whinebags couldn&#39;t handle ethnic diversity sneaking into the whitebreat superhero world, and you disguise your blatant BLATANT racism by pretending you&#39;re protecting the "integrity" of the characters. Why the hell couldn&#39;t Tony Stark be black? The best actor for the role, and this is a damned good actor. I&#39;d rather see him in the role than Ryan Reynolds/Tom Cruise/etc.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST

    whitebreat?

    by omarthesnake

    That&#39;s the supervillain for this movie. They decided the Mandarin was too racist, and decided to go with... ah, the hell with it, it was a typo. feh. Howard for Iron Man, yeah! And Dustin Diamond as... oh, heck, Crimson Dynamo? Iron Man ain&#39;t got the best rogue&#39;s gallery to pick from.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Ralph Fiennes or ... PETER GALLAGHER!!!

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Ralph Fiennes could pull off the troubled man striving to find the light - I think his characters in the Constant Gardener or the English Patient show that he can portray something of a dick that you still empathize with for some reason ... On the other hand, the COOLEST CASTING EVER would be PETER GALLAGHER as TONY STARK. Can you imagine Gallagher, drunk as hell, piloting a high-tech suit of armor over the streets of America? That&#39;s worth 9 bucks in my book. Hell, $15 in LA or NY!!! And if you cast Gallagher as Stark, you can&#39;t go with Terrence Howard as James Rhodes, as he would, indeed, blow Gallagher out of the water, and thus, ruin a fine film. I think maybe Vhing Rhames would be a better Rhodey for the film I&#39;m thinking of. He did a good job as a sidekick to the midget Tom Cruise, who, despite his insanity (or perhaps because of it), would still be a solid Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST

    I agree. Cast him as Tony Stark.

    by superninja

    Actually, the more I think about it, he&#39;s perfect.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST

    They should create new villains for him to fight....

    by DOGSOUP

    ..Mandarian is the best one really. What will they do for the second? Would it fuck witht he purity of the concept to invent villains? Are there diehard Crimson Dynamo fans? Or Stiltman?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Please let Howard play Stark.

    by orcho5000

    The Batman franchise has fucked up by casting pretty-boy Ledger instead of Crispin Glover as Joker--don&#39;t fuck this up. Cast T. Howard as Iron Man, please. Please, please, please.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Open Letter To John Favreau And Marvel!!!

    by MetalWater

    Wow!!! You guys are damn serious at casting!!! I congratulate you in your efforts to go for quality actors here, a brave choice!!! If this is a omen of things to come, this, and other future Marvel movies are going to continue to smash the box office. I&#39;ve been waiting for a truly smart film based on a comic book character...a mix of great actors, great producers, a great script, a great cinematographer, a great editor and of course, a great director. A sort of, Citizen Kane, Raiders Of The Lost Ark...or Gone With The Wind of super hero films in terms of sweeping epic scope and ambition. Hopefully this will be that movie, if only in respect to feel and tone. Perhaps, the first super hero film that would be seriously considered for an Academy Award...for best picture. That&#39;s where these movies should be aiming...to deliver a watershed moment. That&#39;s where Mario Puzo was aiming with the first Superman...it was his attempt to create the Godfather of super hero films...and he came damn near close to fully achieving that goal!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Dustin Diamond / Tarantino?

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Funny you mention Dustin Diamond, Omar - I&#39;ve always thought that it would be cool for Tarantino to take a slew of has-beens and make a kickass movie. If anyone could do it, it would be QT. And QT has kind of made a habit of giving plumb roles to the likes of John Travolta, Robert Forster, David Carradine, Darryl Hannah and others who&#39;ve fallen somewhat off the scene ; it would be interesting to see him tackle a project with the likes of Dustin Diamond, Scott Baio, Carmen Electra, Dennis Rodman, Rhonda Shear, Dean Cain, and James Van Der Beek. In the interests of fairness, let me include some more females in the potential QT franchise flick : Shannon Elizabeth, Shannen Doherty, Elizabeth Berkeley, Tori Spelling, Omarosa, Kathie Lee Gifford. ... Oh shit! Even Quentin couldn&#39;t save the flushable product which would emerge from such a collaboration. Maybe if he did it as a TROMA film, there would be hope ...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:46 p.m. CST

    In terms of the dynamic of the Stark/Rhodes

    by superninja

    relationship, I&#39;m not sure how much of it really had to do with race issues. They worked very well together until Rhodes was effected negatively by the armor. Regardless, it is that Tony comes from privilege and Jim does not, and this does not require a race formula. Anyway, I say Howard for Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:49 p.m. CST

    No, Duncan was bad in the DD movie.

    by superninja

    The whole movie was terrible, granted, but Duncan was miscast. Nothing to do with race. The part was also poorly drawn and the film was terrible to look at.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Exactly. Howard is a leading man. You

    by superninja

    don&#39;t waste him in a supporting role. Cast someone else as Rhodes.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:03 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s not RACISM!! It&#39;s staying honest to the source....

    by Spiderhulk

    Seriously. Wtf have you been smoking? IRON MAN is not black. The end. How else can I put this? Okay maybe to make a little easier for you to understand i&#39;ll cite some examples. George bush is a white man. Chris Rock is a black man. Jim Carey is a white man. Barok Obama is a black man. The sky is blue. The grass is green. etc etc etc...... WTF DO WE HAVE to change the colour of a comic book character just because someone thinks Terrance Howard is a great actor. Okay he&#39;s a great actor. I understand, but he&#39;s a different colour than IRON MAN in the comic. It&#39;s like having Denzel Washington cast in a biopic as BILL CLINTON in the main role. DENZEL WASHINGTON is a superb actor! he&#39;s great, and I enjoy his movies. Can he play Bill Clinton without making everyone go HUH? WTF? That&#39;s not bill? NO HE CANT... Further example, ... would you have Danny Devito playing the flash? Would you have Bryce Dallas Howard playing Gwen Stacey AS A RED HEAD? Would you have Scarlett Johannson as SuperMAN!? SEriously... no racism... just eyeballs.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    If They Do

    by AlabamaBaron

    If they do cast Terrence Howard as Iron Man, I hope they give the film the same kinda budget as they would if he were played by Tom Cruise or Leo Dicaprio(Who is my choice) I believe it will take at least $120-175 million to make the movie as grandiose as it should be. And i&#39;m afraid they wont do that for Howard out of fear that it wont gross as much with him in the lead role.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:10 p.m. CST

    I could definently see Matthew Fox....

    by tonyd1411

    going with JeanLuc&#39;s suggestion from above

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Can anyone deny the brilliance of casting Mel Gibson as Stark? Perhaps his recent binge was in preparation for a meeting with Favreau. Throw Danny Glover in there, and you&#39;ve got Lethal Weapon VI (or whatever): IRON MANIAC!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Still ... Peter Gallagher

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Don&#39;t deny that Gallagher would be insane. Sure, he&#39;s about 10 years too old for a Franchise of this caliber - but whip up some Ratner-esque CGI for flashback scenes, and you&#39;ve got yourself a helluva Tony Stark. I hereby nominate Rosario Dawson for the role of Pepper Potts, Tony Stark&#39;s secretary. She should really be in every movie released from here on out. Seriously.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Screw Pepper Pots

    by Phategod2

    Im waiting for miller and rodriguez to stop Dicking around and give me SC2.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Reality Check

    by AlabamaBaron

    "Iron Man is not black, the end." LOL, Last time I checked Iron Man was a fictional character. or to sum it up HE DOSENT EXSIST. just on the basis of that alone it would seem to me that anyone could play him. Of course Denzel Washington couldnt play Bill Clinton. You know why?. Bill Clinton is a real person. IN REALITY Bill Clinton is white. we are talking about two different entities all together. What I think is great about Iron Man he is not a very notable character. Poll 100 AVERAGE people and only about 20 will even know who you are talking about. that gives him amazing flexibility as far as casting goes.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:22 p.m. CST

    "The bad guy is going to be the Mandarin."

    by superninja

    Say it with me, anchorite: THE MANDARIN. Then he notes the casting breakdown for an Asian man in his mid-30s. He says they may want to explore the Rhodes/War Machine storyline "eventually". The includes Stane and Rhodes in the supporting cast. Meaning, there may be setup for War Machine. But Mandarin is the villain. The other evildoer is clearly Stane.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I get why people don&#39;t want Howard as Stark.

    by superninja

    It doesn&#39;t make them racist. Tony has always been a white guy in the comics. There is just something about Howard that has the right vibe that screams Tony to me, to the point that I think everyone should jump all over it! :) He is also an outstanding actor. Admittedly, Iron Man is not my favorite character, but I do like him. And I feel playing Tony is more about having an air of privilege than a skin color.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:28 p.m. CST

    There is only one Black Panther, and that is

    by superninja

    Djimon Hounsou.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:35 p.m. CST

    I Agree

    by AlabamaBaron

    i agree with you on the casting of The Black Panther SuperNinja

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Black Panther Casting

    by AlabamaBaron

    never seen The Inside Man or Serentity...but as long as its not Tyrese or Jamie Foxx I&#39;m all for it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Agree with most here. Dear Mr. Favreau

    by Orbots Commander

    Ignore the .001% of the population who don&#39;t like Terrence Howard as Tony Stark, and offer the part to the guy. He&#39;s perfect for it, and he&#39;ll be amazing in it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    TYRESE as ...

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Red Shirt # 5 in the rumored Trek reboot - he&#39;d be perfect!! ... And make Nic Cage Red Shirt #6.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Yack, if you can&#39;t acknowledge that

    by superninja

    Djimon Hounsou was born to play T&#39;Challa, I&#39;m not sure we have anything left to discuss.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:15 p.m. CST

    Wouldn&#39;t it be sweet if Black Panther

    by superninja

    had actual, you know, Africans in the cast?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:16 p.m. CST

    You know damn well Favs reads this stuff.

    by Shermdawg

    Especially since him and Harry are workin on John Carter. How much you wanna bet this thing is just a clever way of seeing if we approve of Howard as Stark. And from the looks of it, the majority seems to favor the notion. HOWARD AS STARK! Do it. Do it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Yack, Chiwetel Ejiofor is a nice looking dude.

    by superninja

    But I kind of like that Hounsou looks African. Chiwetel can play Moses Magnum howz that?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Howard! Howard! Howard! Howard!

    by superninja

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:31 p.m. CST

    EYEBALLS?

    by AlwaysThere

    Honest to the source material? So I guess a different race playing Tony Stark makes him less of a man... Why must Tony Stark only be cast as a WHITE guy? Can only a WHITE guy portray a rich, alcoholic engineer? Am I missing something about him fighting for WHITE individuals civil rights? Did he only go to a WHITE only University where he learned about various engineering and mechanical technologies? If there&#39;s nothing about the essense of the character that requires a WHITE-Anglo saxon character as the lead why through a hissy fit if a BLACK guy is Tony Stark?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:39 p.m. CST

    "fans might be split"

    by kuryakin

    hahaha - fans will be split on anything my friend, including whether they should even make a goddamn movie. Howard would be good in this part I think, although he always looks like he&#39;s stepped out of some 1940s boxing movie to me. I don&#39;t know why. And as far as Kingpin goes - I&#39;ve heard people bitching about that casting for ages but I don&#39;t recall anyone actually putting forward an alternative. Admittedly I&#39;ve skipped a lot of this TB - but is there a white guy (or any other race) working in movies who is such a big, imposing fucker? And doesn&#39;t look like a WWE wrestler?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:43 p.m. CST

    Terrance Howard And Casting Iron Man

    by Barron34

    Terrance Howard is a good actor and would make an excellent James Rhodes. I have to strongly disagree with Quint and anyone who thinks that a black man, or anyone other than a whiite male, should be cast as Tony Stark. Part of the key to Stark&#39;s character is that he is part of the corporate, white, conservative business elite that tends to rule the economy and politics of America and the world. Part of what makes Stark heroic is that, even though he could just give in and be a corporate, white asshole and tell the world to fuck itself, instead he puts on this armor and goes out into the world to fight (literally and figuratively), for his version of truth, justice, and the American way (which in Stark&#39;s world means fighting crazy, destructive, evil corporate and technological villains who are bent on killing people, destroying property, and destabilizing the global balance). I liked Michael Clarke Duncan as the Kingpin, because the Kingpin is believable as either a black man or a white man. The race of the Kingpin is not critical to the character. Stark, on the other hand, is sort of a Republican superhero. To make him something other than a privelaged white male would undercut his character fatally, and would be a terribly misguided act of political correctness.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Casting Iron Man!!!

    by MetalWater

    Tyrese? He&#39;s got no audience!!! And yes, I know The Transformers will bring in alot of money...at least initially...still, I don&#39;t want to see Tyrese in anything!!! However, Chiewtel Ejiofor and Terence Howard are special stand out actors...and I&#39;m talking elite!!! Omar Gooding...brother of Cuba Gooding Jr. is another great one...just check out his performance in John Singleton&#39;s Baby Boy...the guy is a scene stealer!!! And Chiwetel Ejiofor dominated Serenity...what a commander presence...not that his co-star Nathan Fillion was chopped liver...both men were stand outs!!! Certainly Nathan should be in the running to play Tony Stark...and would deliver a great performance!!! I&#39;m just wondering if the producers want a star in that role or not. Speaking of great actors, i would really love seeing Jodie Foster in this movie...she&#39;s not only an elite actor, but she can open a movie like no one in her generation!!! Also she&#39;s a looker!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:48 p.m. CST

    James Rhodes is:

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    James Rhodes is:

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    Michael Jai White...you know that&#39;s perfect casting! (damn enter key)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Tyrese!!!

    by MetalWater

    PS-I changed my mind...Tyrese would be perfect to play a red shirt, as they always get killed right away!!! Oh, and I meant to write the word commanding not commander in my last post...sorry for the typo!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:51 p.m. CST

    More On Casting

    by Barron34

    Another thing point about the Stark character is that often he IS that guy: the selfish rich white fuck who doesn&#39;t give a damn about anything other than cars, jets, money, women, and booze. This is one of the keys to Marvel superheroes: they are flawed human beings. Peter Parker is a shy, conflicted guy who struggles to do whats right (with great power comes great responsibility) even though his personal life often suffers. Tony Stark is a rich white guy that can be a jerk, but he fights his way out of the bottle and puts his life on the line to fight bad guys when he could just hang it up and enjoy his money and his provelages

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Barron34: Stop being right!

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    Damn, your post just makes too much sense! There&#39;s really no reason to fundamentally change Stark&#39;s background for the sake of diversity, and especially when Rhodey already had a substantial role last I read the comics (one of the few comics series I actually collected in the &#39;90&#39;s.) Oh, and thanks for realizing that the Kingpin&#39;s race really didn&#39;t make a damn difference in DD. Just as long as he was huge and from the Bronx...CHECK!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Jayjew - re black scientists

    by c4andmore

    That dude from Terminator created SkyNet. Talk about changing the world...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    HEY, JAYJEW

    by SeedyAl

    First of all, I&#39;m black, and though I&#39;m not a scientist, I am highly literate and very intelligent. Literate enough, by the way, not to make so many spelling errors in my post, unlike your own. And since you are in need of education, as opposed to prejudicial, uninformed assumptions, here&#39;s a link to some black scientists. Get smart, dumb ass. http://www.infoplease.com/spot/bhmscientists1.html

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:08 p.m. CST

    mel gibson for stark!!

    by slappy jones

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Timothy Olyphant for Tony Stark.

    by AngelCordy

    Or Mel Gibson will crash into your house.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    JayJew

    by Pdid

    Come on man, George Washington Carver invented peanut butter. If if I recall my Black History Month lessons, a black guy also invented the traffic light. On a serious note though, Timothy Olyphant would be awesome

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Olyphant does pair up well with Howard

    by Cabron

    in the battle of the &#39;staches.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:47 p.m. CST

    Chow Yun Fat is The Mandarin

    by genro

    remember this moment.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Jayjew is a racist... but he&#39;s not totally wrong

    by Spiderhulk

    Seriously though, I can see a black scientist... obviously that I can buy. There are plenty of them out there, but none of them are rich. And further, if peanut butter and traffic lights is the best you can come up with going for a high tech iron man suit is going a little too far. LASTLY NAME ONE BILLIONAIRE BLACK PERSON. I CAN NAME 20 WHITE ONES... but a black one doesn&#39;t exist unless it&#39;s a warlord in africa and even then that&#39;s pushing it. The richest black man is probably Oprah Winfrey and she isn&#39;t a billionaire, that&#39;s for sure.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Oh i get it...

    by Spiderhulk

    &#39;peanut butter and traffic lights&#39; were a joke... I have a few inventions too I&#39;ve heard of; rap, soul, ummm did I say rap? ( wish I could say basketball but a white guy invented that)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I stand corrected Oprah Winfrey is a billionaire...

    by Spiderhulk

    Okay but do we have any of the male gender?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Spiderhulk, for your own sake, just stop.

    by superninja

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Totally not joking

    by Pdid

    Maybe people are taking it that way, but I honestly wasn&#39;t. George Washington Carver was black and did invent peanut butter. So was, if I remember correctly, the guy who invented the traffic light. I apoligize that it wasn&#39;t said in a serious manner, but I don&#39;t think responding to JayJew&#39;s rantings requires a serious response. As for black billionaires, the guy who created BET (and who I believe owns the Charlotte NBA franchise) is most definitely a billionaire.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Baron, hey, instead of a corporate white

    by superninja

    elitist a$$hole, maybe Tony can be a white condescending anti-corporate elitist a$$hole?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Yeah, a black Iron Man would actually be OK

    by Rupee88

    I&#39;m usually a purist, but somehow with Iron Man, it seems like the armor is the main character and Tony Stark could be a black guy and it would work fine. I wouldn&#39;t have a problem with Terrance Howard playing the role...he just kicked my ass in Hustle and Flow. I don&#39;t think a black Peter Parker or Reed Richards would work, but a black Tony Stark would be cool with me.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST

    15 hours

    by Phategod2

    It only took 15 hours for a racist to show up wow maybe america is getting better.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Great casting. Now bring on Tim Olyphant

    by Smurfette

    And Chow Chow Fat as the Mandarin. Jenna Fischer as Pepper and Favs as Hogan.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:56 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m not a racist.....

    by Spiderhulk

    I think that Terrance Howard might be a good Iron Man. He&#39;s a great actor. He might even inspire some young black kids that have gotten a crummy deal in life by being marginalized in a terrible country like America with a history of slaves, glass ceilings, revolving prison systems, and little assistance. It might make the difference between a black kid choosing joining a gang or dreaming about becomming a scientist with the aspiration to cure cancer (ie if the audience empathizes with Tony Stark&#39;s Brain Tumour/cancer.. ultimate storyline rather than shrapnel one) I really like that idea. It also gives a great superhero role to a great black actor (blade was okay, but it doesn&#39;t have the potential that Iron Man has) The thing is is you&#39;d have to make rhodes white though. There has to be that dichotomy in place. Otherwise you wouldn&#39;t be able to pull in the redneck white audience from alabama. The thing is though is that I really like the idea of Terrance Howard playing Iron Man, and think it has the potential to create a great African American Iconic hero in cinema but the dollar signs probably won&#39;t add up because there are people in alabama, north carolina, south carolina, texas, etc that want their blue eyes, blond hair vanilla cream coloured superman. It&#39;s a shame but the majority of people living in America are white. That&#39;s why newspapers are written with that demographic in mind. I&#39;m not saying I agree... I just know that all the time the news ignores talking about the death and rape of a black woman in favour of some runaway bride, truscott, etc stuff. If you&#39;re going to make Iron Man black you have to make the movie damn good (Terrance Howard is a kiler actor... but he&#39;s only one pillar of support to a film) a damn good rocket sure fire film to pull in all the rednecks, and hillbillies and so that they make a profit off this movie so we can see more of Iron Man.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST

    This is a damn shame

    by glodene

    I can&#39;t believe that a Half-black & half-white man being cast as a Rich industrialist/Scientist could bring out so much fear and insecurities out of some of you white (geeky) mutha-fuckas. Baron34, have you ever heard of Richard Parsons? He&#39;s a lowly black guy who&#39;s the CEO of AOL/TimeWarners..Is that corporate enough for you...Btw, when did enjoying a comicbook based movie become predicated on race? Shit people, over ninety-five percent of all Hollywood productions are predominately (if not all) white. Y&#39;all act as if one production cast an ethnic actor (who&#39;s half-white) in a leading role will bring about the apocalypse or something. "Gee Whillakers Biff! If Jon Favreau cast that Mullato as Tony Stark, there won&#39;t be a future for pure white male actors anymore." Sieg Hiel Indeed!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Spiderhulk. That Denzel Washington

    by superninja

    is sure box office poison. Don&#39;t forget Will Smith, who only pulls in the black audiences. What I said to Baron? That goes for you too. Just provide your own variation.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Let us not discriminate!!

    by rightarm4Rosario

    After tabulating the above posts, my cast-o-matic 4000 machine (the latest in applied acme technology) has spit out some fantastic news as to the perfect cast for the upcoming Iron Man film: Iron Man : Oprah Winfrey James Rhodes: Carlos Mencia

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    PETITION FAVREAU NOW!!!

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Regardless of who plays the lead, we need Rosario Dawson as Pepper Potts. That being said, this film also needs a dose of full-frontal nudity ...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Seriously ...

    by rightarm4Rosario

    I think someone brought it up on a previous Iron Man talkback, but it bears saying again: This film had BETTER (at some point) include the Ozzy/Sabbath "Iron Man" tune ... Come on, now!! How can you not have that song at some point in the film. Perhaps it would be cheesy during a montage or climactic sequence, but if it were simply used during a sequence with Tony Stark rolling up in a limo to a charity event or something, it would be great. And how about Orson Scott Card? His work on the comic miniseries a year or two back was fantastic! Any chance of bringing him on board for some script-tweaking? Anyone? Anyone??

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:20 p.m. CST

    Rosario Dawson

    by glodene

    Man, please! If they cast Rosario, these geeks would start complaining that Ironman has gon&#39; UPN and then form a Jihad and start blowin&#39; up shit because their fucked-up notion of the status quo has been threatened and thrown off balanced.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Jayjew suck on this!! WTFPWNEDBBQ!

    by ganymede2010

    In 1989, he programmed more than 65,000 processors to perform the world&#39;s fastest computation: 3.1 billion calculations per second. The feat smashed the previous record and proved that a network of small computers could outperform more powerful, expensive supercomputers. (Today&#39;s fastest supercomputers can perform well over a trillion calculations per second.) Supercomputers will drive Internet development He has been called one of the "fathers of the Internet," alongside pioneers such as Tim Berners-Lee and Vint Cerf. http://www.aintitcool.com/tb_display.cgi?id=24037#1237139

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Race should not be an issue

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Look guys, the big problem not being discussed here has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the quality of current and future Comic-Based films. For every "Ghost World" or "Spider-Man," we get a "Daredevil" or some half-hearted crap like "Fantastic Four." Both of those films had moments, but please -! I think Favreau will at least try to please the fans, try to make a decent film - which is more than can be said for some of the recent product from Marvel. Yeah, Favreau was in "Daredevil." And for my money, he was one of the best parts of that film. Terrence Howard won&#39;t make or break this film. I understand what some of the hardcore fanboys are saying when they say they want a "white" tony stark. But the truth of the matter is that 99.9% of them will flock to an Iron Man film regardless of who is cast as ole&#39; shellhead. Howard would be an interesting choice. Matthew Fox wouldn&#39;t be bad either. I&#39;m not sold on Nathan Fillion, although maybe they should cast HIM in the next Indiana Jones flick. Hell - come to think of it, I&#39;d like to see Terrence Howard as Indiana Jones. THAT would be pretty kickass. Better than him as Stark, actually. As for another idea : Has anyone here seen THE MATADOR? For a drunken shell of a man (who can still periodically kick ass) look no further than Pierce Brosnan!! Hey, Timothy Dalton was rumored to be in the running for Stark way-back-when - so why not BROSNAN?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Superninja your a superdouche you big douchey douche

    by Spiderhulk

    You @#$%ing must be the dumbest man alive... go take a few sociologist classes at something more than a community college and dont tell me that racism isn&#39;t an issue still in 2006. you dumb fagaloon

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Sociology classes I mean

    by Spiderhulk

    you fagaloon

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:58 p.m. CST

    The big risk with casting a black actor-

    by Ooooooohhh!!!

    -for Tony Stark is that no matter how you spin it, a black guy in a metal super hero suit is gonna scream STEEL. Goodbye box office. I kinda like the idea of Howard as Rhodes/Warmachine, who you could then spin off into a seperate, more hardcore franchise.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Now that you&#39;ve been pwned superninja...

    by Spiderhulk

    go play with your tiny penis in your mommy&#39;s basement you creepy little basement dweller. Therein your mommy&#39;s basement you will find an assortment of things to masterbate to: vintage star wars action figures, cardboard cut outs of you battle star galactica chicks, jars of unopened antique mayonnaise, bottles of your mommy&#39;s vaginal gestations, legos, 1st edition copies of transformers comic books starring the rare she-bot, several walt disney movie starring ariel snow white and cinderella doing rare scat porn, books on tape of &#39;how to be a bitch 101&#39; and &#39;why I am not getting laid this century 101&#39;..... that&#39;s right eat it. eat that creamsicle..... it&#39;s tasty isn&#39;t it? Isn&#39;t it!! YOU FREAK!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Spiderhulk, did you call Denzel yet

    by superninja

    to give him the bad news?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Wesley Snipes wants to donate all of the

    by superninja

    money he made on the Blade series to a fund for you to take more sociology classes, Spiderhulk.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    With all that money, How come Stark has to......

    by Doc_Strange

    Use iron as the makeup of his suit? Why not use metal, or hell adamantium? No, he opts to use iron instead. Whatta cheap ass.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    White scientists

    by antonphd

    1) powerful people don&#39;t invent shit. they buy it cheap or steal it and then patent it and sell it severely overpriced. powerful people are not smart. they are ambitious. a very big difference. ironman&#39;s character is completely unrealistic in this. people who are true genious, are ussually too busy to be interested in power. which is of course the major flaw in all of the mad scientist stories. it&#39;s never smart people who are mad. it&#39;s the stupid people. 2) black people don&#39;t have to be ambitious or driven... they don&#39;t have small penises. 3) jayjew, do you ever speak to real live people? how can anybody be stupid enough to say that there are no black scientists? i guess evolution is real, cause you have to be the missing link.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Terrence Howard...

    by JonQuixote

    ...is welcome in any IRON MAN movie I&#39;m interested in, playing any role. Including Tony Stark. &#39;Nuff Said.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:43 a.m. CST

    There&#39;s already a black Iron Man...

    by Rant Breath

    ...his name is War Machine. nuff said!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:52 a.m. CST

    2 Pac would have been great in this . . .

    by Bulldoggie

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Jenna Fischer as Pepper?

    by stlfilmwire

    Hmm.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Terrance Howard could play the Suit

    by blackwood

    And have some twirpy little white guy riding inside. Could be meta.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:28 a.m. CST

    So far Barron is the only guy...

    by Childe Roland

    ...whose made a dcent argument for Stark needing to be white. It&#39;s not bulletproof (because obviously there are wealthy non-white assholes in the world), but it&#39;s pretty darned good. And Spiderhulk has earned the Archibald Bunker Award for Non-Self-Aware Racism. Congratulations, man!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    In Middle School...

    by Kid Z

    ... A lot of us comic book kids would all gather at the bus stop in the morning with our favorites and have conversations/arguments about which character was the best (At the time, everyone was a Marvel zombie). A lot of my friends were/are black and I always notice how a lot of them liked Iron Man. Maybe a black Iron Man would be a good idea if he still has a good-sized African American market? I don&#39;t know, but it wouldn&#39;t bother me at all for Tony Stark to be black... why should it?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:58 a.m. CST

    PROUD

    by Phategod1

    I am proud of most of the people in this Talkback and as a afro american I have to say there is alot of times I believe there is no hope for racial harmoney "especially after watching Crash" but seeing so many people agree that a Black actor can play stark and a attack two ignorant racist Jackasses warms my heart Keep it up guys. YO JOE!! And To jayjew and spiderhulk Eat a dick up!!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST

    (90&#39;s) Dalton for Stark!!!!

    by speedtriple

    Timothy Dalton from the Rocketeer days for Stark! http://tinyurl.com/nq5sr

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:10 a.m. CST

    im not racist..

    by nolan bautista

    ..but i think a Jap or a Chink could be Tony Stark..or a gook even!!..or a Filipino midget..anybody from heathen Asia

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Even if Howard was cast, people would still see it

    by Terry_1978

    Because the mainstream wants to see the suit in action and f/x scenes, even though fanboys would prefer the atypical rich white guy as Stark. Granted, I agree that Howard could do it, as he is versatile enough to do so, but I think this may be one of those instances where they would be casting a black actor just for the sake of it, and not because he honestly fits the role.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Re: (90&#39;s) Dalton for Stark!!!!

    by MachinaMan

    Good choice, but a little long in the tooth. Too bad Christian Bale is taken.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Matthew Broderick for Iron Man!

    by Mechasheeva

    Because I wanna see Ferris Bueller with a &#39;stache. And I wanna see Tony Stark singing and dancing while in a drunken rage. I&#39;m done now.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    title for sequel IRON MAN vs. WAR MACHINE

    by zooch

    actually make this right now

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:09 p.m. CST

    EXCUSE ME???????????? WTF you ignorant pricks

    by Spiderhulk

    I renounced most of what I said in the previous talkbacks and said ya sure Terrance Howard is a great actor, he could be a good role model for struggling black kids today as iron man, and I would go see him in the role... and how society is to blame for marginalizing minorities etc etc... SO FUCK YOU!!! IF YOU CANT BE FUCKING CHRISTIAN ABOUT FORGIviNG ME FOR MAKING A FEW DUMB JOKES THEN GO SUCK A CREAMSICLE...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:19 p.m. CST

    oh and leonardo dicaprio was my idea

    by Spiderhulk

    so fuck off about that one too...... and as for resulting to &#39;douchey douche bag&#39; insults in this talkback and not acting intelligently all I got to say is its a @#$@#$%ING TALKBACK... this isn&#39;t a forumn for physics or psychology at harvard or yale...... it&#39;s a talkback for blockbuster geek flicks. Do I have to come on here with a certain amount of decorum? PFfffffffffffffft I come on here to blow steam. I am intelligent... as far as my schooling as shown I am I have a double major honours bachelor in law, and history at Queens University in Canada. I&#39;m well on my way to becomming a teacher too.....so if that scares you that I might be teaching kids about the realities of the world, and that marginalizing, sexism, racism, glass ceilings, exploitation is still going on in western civilization to this day then I guess your ignorant pricks...... so fuck off.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:29 p.m. CST

    SERIOUSLY, FUCK YOU JAYJEW! BIGOT BITCH!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Man, I wish I&#39;d cross paths with you. You&#39;d need one of your "white" scientist and medical technitions to design a new clasp to remove my boot from you ass.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Same goes for you Spiderhulk. Fucking Faggot!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    (My apologies to any gay poster on AICN...you get my point with my beef with assholes like Spiderhulk and JayJew. Simply put, their pricks).

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:35 p.m. CST

    then why&#39;d you say faggot R.C. the Wise???

    by Spiderhulk

    Doesn&#39;t that make you a hypocrite? You&#39;re calling me a bigot, but you use bigotted words when you call me one....... I&#39;m sorry but apologizing to any gay poster... isn&#39;t that what I did when I apologized about my dumb jokes... you are basically me R.C. the wise you talked biggoted shit, then you apologized. Sorry but I dont see the difference. everyone does it.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:40 p.m. CST

    THAT GOES FOR ALL OF YOU BIGOTS!!!

    by Spiderhulk

    I doubt anyone in this post can say they&#39;ve never used the terms faggot, fagaloon, that&#39;s gay, bitch, whore, (sexism, homophobia words) atleast once (in this talkback let alone real life)Further, unless you&#39;re actually homosexual you can&#39;t say this stuff. It&#39;s like when a black person can only call another black person nigger, and if a white person does it he gets the crap kicked out of him (unless it&#39;s eminem cause he has madz skillz).

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:43 p.m. CST

    Yack, I live in Los Angeles. I came from Austin, TX

    by superninja

    originally and was surprised at how racist LA is. Go figure. Everybody hates everybody here. Some of the dumbest stuff I&#39;ve ever heard/scene here.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Hey, Spiderhulk, I forgive you.

    by superninja

    You seem like a well-intentioned person, but comments like "Otherwise you wouldn&#39;t be able to pull in the redneck white audience from alabama." is a racist statement in itself. You know that, right?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    SPIDERHULK

    by Frijole

    Leonardo was YOUR idea? Yeah, I&#39;m sure you were the first person to ever pose the possibility. Someone should offer you a job as a casting agent right away. Is your resume in order? Look fucko, you&#39;re a little twit for one and for two- people suggested DiCaprio in this VERY TalkBack... BEFORE YOU. And let&#39;s don&#39;t forget that he&#39;s been a consideration for the role in every level of development the movie&#39;s been in for the last several years. Your idea, my ASS...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Surprised by the racism in L.A.

    by Orbots Commander

    Here in N.Y. you don&#39;t really see it, except on a very rare occasion, and it&#39;s not overtly blatant. And this is from somebody who grew up in Queens and Brooklyn, but now live out in Leave It to Beaver Land, Nassau County, N.Y. (*Hint: Alec Baldwin&#39;s and Jerry Sienfeld&#39;s old home town) I still commute to work in Manhattan, but maybe NYC is considered more of an &#39;international&#39; city for commerce and business which could be why you see all types and varieties of people here with very little if any tension at all.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Well, Childe Rowland, I figured you&#39;d

    by superninja

    give Baron&#39;s arguement the stamp of approval. I think you have a tendency to take a very narrow minded view by turning this into some message movie that is against weapons, wealth and corporations altogether. Now back to serving my corporate masters!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1 p.m. CST

    Yack, I love Austin and miss it a lot.

    by superninja

    The problem is everyone from my High School is still there! And I really hated High School. Actually, the reason I left is that I didn&#39;t want to be born and die in the same town. I figured 18 years was enough, although perhaps I will return there someday. It&#39;s also changed a lot and gotten way more annoyingly liberal and oversized. But that&#39;s another tale for a different time.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:02 p.m. CST

    anchorite, I&#39;m sure he&#39;d love to get his

    by superninja

    hands on a bunch of unlearned kiddies and teach them all about sociology.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Orbots, my theory on this is that LA is

    by superninja

    largely balkanized. Granted, people tend to self-segregate anyway, and we have large immigrant populations, but LA is so spread out that people literally can avoid other races and cultures if they so choose. New York just doesn&#39;t have the square footage to accomodate that.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Yes, but I wasn&#39;t a conservative when I moved

    by superninja

    to LA, anchorite. Going back to Austin in the last couple of years, the "Keep Austin Weird" mantra has gotten rather literal for my tastes. But you know, living in LA probably helped in my becoming a conservative, so I&#39;m grateful for it. In regards to balkanization, people have been predicting for years now that the Mexicans and Blacks are going to have a real throw down. I worked with a church that was started to facilitate racial reconciliation in poorer neighborhoods, and the tension between these two groups is palpable.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Getting back to Iron Man for just a second-

    by Ooooooohhh!!!

    - Do you think they&#39;ll give him those little jets of flame coming out of his boots? They always seemed a bit stoopid to me. Oh, and I&#39;m sticking with Sam Rockwell for Tony. He did a very good Batman. Google &#39;Robin&#39;s Big Date&#39;.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    If you look back, superninja...

    by Childe Roland

    ...you&#39;ll see I gave no "stamp." I said Barron&#39;s was the best argument anyone in this talkback had made for not casting a black Stark (given the others we heard, that really isn&#39;t a ringing endorsement). And I said it wasn&#39;t a bulletproof argument (even pointing out one of the obvious chinks in the proverbial armor). You need to chill out and stop looking for anti-capitalist propaganda in my opinions (without capitalism, I wouldn&#39;t have a job and couldn&#39;t afford to maintain the very comfortable lifestyle my family enjoys). We all serve the corporate machine in one way or another. The trick is to try and do a little good within that system to ensure it maintains some heart and soul. You can either be a cog or a conscience...your choice. If that view seems narrow to you, I really can&#39;t do much more for you.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Also overseas...

    by Orbots Commander

    you see very little of it, other than the riots in France of course. I visit my parents annually who are retired in a sea-side touristy community on a Greek island. Anyway going through Athens&#39; Venizelos International Airport and knowing something of Athens itself, there is a quite disparate amount of various Europeans and many from the Middle East and North Africa who arrive there to work due to the expanding economy. There is some occasional ethnic/racial tension, but generally nothing where it would be a huge societal problem. Of course, once you get to the islands, it&#39;s virtually impossible to stay mad at ANYone or ANYthing: beatiful women, sunkissed beaches, laid back lifestyle, flowing drinks, beautiful women....

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah, to an extent.

    by Orbots Commander

    But that tends to peter out after the frat boy stage. The biggest tensions between the two now have more to do with the EU entry of Turkey; the Greeks, Germans, and French aren&#39;t crazy about the idea. The British, Poles and others are in favor. And of course the whole Cyprus thing.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t see why my grammar is an issue on an AICN board

    by Spiderhulk

    I have written and submitted hundreds of essays, presentations, and reports on various topics during my enrollment at queens. I know how to write properly, and I know how to express myself creatively with proper diction. When I&#39;m posting on AICN I don&#39;t take grammer into account because I&#39;m just blowing off steam about hollywood projects. I guess you could say I was an aspiring film geek in high school but gave it up to pursue a much more safe and realistic avenue of employment. If my &#39;stream of conciousness&#39; and &#39;diarrhea of the mouth&#39; bothers you then don&#39;t read my posts. As I said before this isn&#39;t a university studies forum where we are to discuss many topics surrounding academics. So fuck off with the grammer speech. I like movies, you like movies, THE END. Further, to suggest anyone in film studies (a pseudo-intellectual esoteric field) at any college or university has a remotely better diction than I do is laughable. God I hate film students.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Not anti-semitic, more like anti-U.S./Israel foreign

    by Orbots Commander

    policy. In fact, during WWII, the Greek government of the time secretly took in Jewish refugees escaping from the Nazis. That&#39;s why in certain parts of Greece you&#39;ll find Jewish communities or from Jewish-descent. There are as many Greek-Americans, it is estimated, as there is in all of Greece, but there is an anti-U.S. strain, largely due to Lyndon Johnson and the Cold War. Short history: After WWII, the Greek government, a parliamentary one like Britain&#39;s, called for the closure of strategic United States naval bases. Now this was at the height of the Cold War in the 50s and 60s. With CIA backing, members of the Greek military carried out a bloodless coup, pushed aside the the Prime Minister and closed the Parliament. They kept the naval bases, went on a McArthey type communist witch hunt and imprisoned many political opposition members. Under international and domestic pressure the Colonels as they were called, stepped aside and handed power back to a Parliamentary government. The Greeks never forgave Johnson or the U.S. for that.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Be that as it may, SpiderHulk

    by Frijole

    You&#39;re still a numbskull and DiCaprio was NOT "(your) idea"...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Oded Fehr

    by comedian_x

    I hate to actually get things back on topic, but I heard somewhere that Oded was a possible choice for Tony Stark. I think he would be good in the role, and he looks the part.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Ironman Casting

    by glodene

    Jamie Foxx got a mustasche. Tom Selleck got a mustasche. Marlon Wayans can grow a mustasche. Will Smith got a mustasche.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Hey listen, I spelt it right on my subject line...

    by Spiderhulk

    Do I atleast get half marks? It&#39;s pretty small of you to pick on me for that. Sure I might seem small for some of my comments, but at least I&#39;m not attacking peoples&#39; grammar. I&#39;m just attacking their opinion. Though I agree with your point of view. There&#39;s something wrong with the educational system right now. A majority of people still make a lot of grammar and spelling mistakes after going through the rigours of high school and University. There&#39;s a feeling of lethargy within the content of many people&#39;s writing and without the help of a spell/grammar check on their word processors they become lazy. There seems to be a reliance on these programs to correct our spelling and grammar all the time. When I&#39;m paying close attention to the grammar in the newspapers I always notice a few spelling mistakes and they HAVE spellchecks.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST

    "I wear the mustache...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the mustache does not wear me!" This is what you could look forward to from a tipsy, giggly-like-a-schoolgirl (in tone and pitch) DiCaprio if he got the Stark part. Let&#39;s not allow that to happen, guys. And anchorite, please stop picking on Spiderhulk. It&#39;s like watching a mean kid kick a retarded puppy.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    You&#39;re a film student. GO FIGURE!

    by Spiderhulk

    I&#39;ve never met one polite film student in my entire 4 years I spent at queens. They all seem like the &#39;hyenas&#39; to me. Oh and that&#39;s not generalizing, it&#39;s experience. They all think they&#39;re going to be the next Aronofsky, Scorsese, Kubrick, Spielberg, Cameron, etc... You don&#39;t see me telling people I&#39;m going to be the next Durkheim, Watson, Henry David Thoreau, Ignatieff, Bentham, etc... Further, they talk about film too much through an objective medium (at least from my experience)Even a few law students, and history students see the their field within a subjective framework sometimes.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Queens University

    by blackwood

    I used to live in Kingston - when I was applying to Universities Queens offered me a shitload to go there. And I said no. You know why? Because Queens University is full of douche - it is the douche capital of South Eastern Ontario, and I can say with all confidence every single person I&#39;ve met who has gone to Queens is a complete fucking write-off when it comes to being a free-thinking, useful person. Also if "There&#39;s a feeling of lethargy within the content of many people&#39;s writing" is what passes for English at Queens... well, that proves the point all the more. Keep reaching for that rainbow, smart guy. Oh, and as a faggot, I hereby give license to anyone in this TB to use my people for the sake of tearing you down.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:51 p.m. CST

    &#39;talk about film through an objective medium&#39;

    by blackwood

    Queens education at its best, folks.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:02 p.m. CST

    Actually Childe Roland it is a lot like that...

    by Spiderhulk

    He&#39;s a mean kid and I&#39;m a dog. I am very much like a puppy; a person very aware and loving of the world within which I live. I love the aesthetics of nature. The principles of loyalty and work ethic. (dogs were a great part in helping the rescue effort after 9/11) I wake up everyone morning absolutely thrilled for no reason whatsoever except to hear the voice of another human being and be near other people. I am blissful, healthy, content, and I&#39;m only filled with love. A worthy aspiration for most humans. Anchorite is just a mean bully, and bullies have a high rate of recidivism.(that&#39;s a big word for you anchorite)

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    ahhhhhhhahahaha

    by Mechasheeva

    this TB is funny . . . Matthew Broderick for Iron Man!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Spiderhulk = Captain Awesome!

    by blackwood

    Sorry - I didn&#39;t realize how amazing you are! If you are so much like a dog, do you eat your own vomit and other dogs&#39; shit? Childe Roland was right - Anchorite&#39;s mean and you&#39;re retarded.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Damn straight blackwood... it tastes a lot like your

    by Spiderhulk

    vagina.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, LISTEN YOU IGNORANT SUMBITCH!!

    by ganymede2010

    You need to shut the fuck up. I hate it when right-wing quasi klan members try to subjugate economic advances of the Black Community in America. For you information. Black home ownership is at an ALL TIME HIGH! Black Married couples are now making over 70% of what White married couples are making. There&#39;s also a lager percentage of Blacks gradutating from College, then any other period in our nations history. There&#39;s more Blacks occupying CEO postions in fortune 500 companies, then any other time in History. So I don&#39;t know what you&#39;re basing your BULLSHIT facts on. But if you come here with Racist points of view. Beleive you me, you&#39;re going to get embarrassed and called on it...BITCH! /flame off

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Much Love

    by Phategod2

    much love blackwood you had me crying at the end. I just wonder how someone with such a deep versed vocabulary and such a learned person can not know about Black scientist. Or; I understand not Liking rap music "I dont like most of it" but to generalize it and say it so easy to do is rediculous. And to say a black american can&#39;t be believable as a scientist is even more rediculous look at HBO&#39;s "something the lord made". Whether your previous comments were made in jest or not they show either a deep insensitivety or deep ignorance now while my grammer and diction may not be on par with yours and I may not have the time to run this through spell checker I thik my point is clear.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    "Recidivism...repeat offender!"

    by Childe Roland

    "Not a pretty name, is it, H.I.?" "No sir. That&#39;s one bonehead name. But that ain&#39;t me no more." Someone cue the yodeling Ode to Joy.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    LOL

    by AlabamaBaron

    I guess its a good time to be black!!!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:41 p.m. CST

    One more thing, Fuck you and your Grammar

    by ganymede2010

    Because you&#39;re still ignorant as hell when it comes to the socio-economic status of ethnic groups in America. Stop cocentrating on insignificant things such as spelling and grammar. And learn to respect your fellow man. Even you believe you&#39;re superior. And can you please direct me to where I can get a free handout? I allways hear you chicken shit republicans incinuate that Blacks want everything for free. Please tell me where I can get this free money, free housing, clothes, vehicles, credit cards, PGE, college Education, etc. I don&#39;t know ONE Black person that has ever gotten SHIT from the NEGRO COLLEGE fund. That&#39;s nothing but a racket using Blacks as an excuse to sucker money out of the fool-hearty.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST

    why dont you all just eat a creamsicle...

    by Spiderhulk

    they&#39;re tasty and sweet... num num goodness. They come in a variety of flavours for all the people of the world. It&#39;s like Stephen Colbert said. "I HAVE A DREAMSICLE!" Until you get an ice head ache then you fuck that shit up. To all the rap haters out there (including me)listen up! ITS CREAMSICLE TIME!!! I have a creamy creamsicle that&#39;s what I said. And if you dont like that I&#39;ll bust you in the head. Popsicles suck sloppy slushy syrupy crap. Delicious creamy creamsicles with that tongue you must lap. Ice cream bars are mellow cool but they dont got what it takes to rule. CREAMY CREAMSICLES ARE WHERE ITS AT! All you other deserts must step off. Must step off. Must step off. All you other desserts must step off. Must step off! Must step off!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    damn i mispelt dessert AHAHAHAH

    by Spiderhulk

    but I got it once right again... my sub-concious is telling me something

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Josh Hartnett as Iron Man

    by endoftime

    Josh Hartnett could fill the role of Tony Stark.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Nah anchorite. Not off-putting.

    by Orbots Commander

    Always up for some good conversation. Even in an Iron Man movie talk-back. As far as myself and my extended family-- all Greeks or of Greek descent in case you haven&#39;t guessed--not an anti-semite among us. I hate to use the "some of my best friends are..." line, but it&#39;s true. Went to a Jewish wedding about a month ago and was in the groom&#39;s wedding party. It was up in New Rochelle, near Westchester, NY. Did the whole chair lifting thing with the bride and groom and their parents. Oy, my back! Anyway, I guess racism and anti-semitism probably exists among some ethnic Greeks, but about as much as any ethnic population group. I can&#39;t throw any statistics with averages or median numbers at you, but it&#39;s only from my unscientific personal encounters.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Sean Carter you are not spiderhulk.

    by Bulldoggie

    Chill with the rap dude, it&#39;s just embarrassing. This is a pretty funny talkback though. I think the worlds actually looking a little better in my eyes. Homosexuals & blacks do have alot in common (other than dissing the shit out of jayjew & spiderhulk in this talkback) as "special intrest" groups in America and Canada I feel it&#39;s important for one to support the other in regards to same sex marrige votes. I&#39;m just surrprised so many people are so worked-up about my man in the Tony Stark role when in the goddamn article Quint states "Terrence Howard was offered the role of James Rhodes, good friend to Tony Stark and future bearer of the armor and IRON MAN identity. He became known as War Machine after Stark reclaimed the name and suit." I think before people start a race/culture/grammer war they should at least read the fucking article . . .holleratchaboy

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:39 p.m. CST

    Childe Rowland. Just one problem.

    by superninja

    What Baron provided was not a good explanation for Tony being white. That&#39;s all I was saying.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:42 p.m. CST

    anchorite, I agree with you that the tension will

    by superninja

    get worse, but I suspect that in the end Blacks will just leave LA like lots of other people when they get sick enough of race politics. Then the gangs will move in, the police will move out, if they haven&#39;t already, etc., etc.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:51 p.m. CST

    TO HELL WITH IT!!!

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Let&#39;s end this debate NOW: Just cast Rosario Dawson as Stark, and be done with it!! (Somehow I think her sliding, bare-assed, into the armor would unite everyone bickering above, in a moment of transcendent bliss ...)

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Race wasn&#39;t the reason people didn&#39;t take to Duncan

    by Johnny Drama

    It was because the movie flossed with mammoth bush.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Also Racist

    by Johnny Drama

    /white power

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:15 p.m. CST

    YOU&#39;VE FORCED MY HAND!!

    by rightarm4Rosario

    Enough with the hand-wringing. Racism is wrong. Some of the above people arguing in a crazy forceful way are spouting racism. Some are just purist fanboys who, as in the case of the organic web-shooters, don&#39;t want any detail changed when it comes to their beloved comics. I&#39;m fairly certain that 99% of people here, despite the rhetoric, would be happy with WHOEVER plays the role of Stark, so long as Favreau and the creative team behind the film, does a good job. Now, let&#39;s get on with the casting. With Rosario already cast as "Tonya Stark," we need a "Janine Rhodes." I hereby nominate Carla Gugino as "Rhodey" for this film. Given this gender inversion, one can only hope that we see James Woods cast as Pepper Potts.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:18 p.m. CST

    Fantastic Four

    by rightarm4Rosario

    It&#39;s not about whether Terrence Howard, Billy Crudup, or James Van Der Beek is cast. Guys - What if it ends up being another FANTASTIC FOUR?!!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Damn, this TB was a disaster...

    by Get_Me_An_18-Man_Fire_Team_In_12_Hours

    AND FIRST!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Race And Privelage

    by Barron34

    My point about Stark is that part of his character is that he is a privaleged white guy, sort of a Republican superhero. That is all. It is wrong-headed to assume that this implies that a black man can&#39;t be a scientist or a CEO: many are. I don&#39;t know where people got that idea from. The point is, if a black man is wealthy or successful, it is less likely the result of privelage or inheritance than hard work, skill, and so on. Personally, I am not a conservative, but I recognize that the Stark character sort of is one, and should be portrayed as such. While there are black guys who are conservatives (Thomas Sowell, Alan Keyes, etc), they seem to be kind of unique exceptions rather than typical archetypes. Making Stark other than a privelaged white guy would sort of undercut his character. That is all. *****As far as race making a difference regarding capacity for science, engineering, etc: that also is ridiculous. My previous family physician was a black man with an M.D./PhD., for example. Any of you naysayers out there have either an M.D., PhD., or both? Didn&#39;t think so. The only reason that a black person might have difficulty pursuing such careers and degrees is that there is a long history of racism and inequality here in America and elsewhere, and that many black kids start out with fewer educational and economic opportunities than many of their white counter-parts. But, as some have pointed out, this inequality is being reduced more and more as the statistics are becoming more balanced. This is the result of decades of effort to level the playing field in America. *****The point about Stark is that he acts heroic IN SPITE of being a rich white guy or a jerk. Making him non-white would change something basic about the character. Would fans want to see a Black Panther who was Asian, or a Luke Cage who was Russian? No, I don&#39;t think so. I also don&#39;t think that pointing these things out should immediately tag anyone as racist. Anyway, enough of this. We are in danger of beating a dead horse.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST

    For Anchorite

    by AlabamaBaron

    In all honesty ANCHORITE, you made some terrible points, WHITE HISTORY MONTH, LOL. You mean all the months besides February aren&#39;t good enough. W.E.T. a white telivision network, LOL, what are CBS,FOX,WGN,TBS,THE FAMILY CHANNEL,USA,LIFETIME,A&E,AMC,TNT, E!,FX,SCI-FI,SOAPNET,NOGGIN,MTV,VH1..I&#39;ll be real, to a certain degree each of those channels have some kind of "black" programming. But we also know that the majority of those stations show predominately "white" programming. If you really want to get deeper into the matter I dont consider B.E.T. to be "black television". sure it has black people on it. but it is owned by a white man(Bob Johnson sold it to Viacom)and even before then it was just a way to inforce racial sterotypes and stupidity(I think of it in the same vain as hitler making schools that enforced nazism)Like I said before the faces are black, but last time I checked I didnt know many guyd that had hundreds of thousands of dollars in jewelry and million dollar cars parked outside of there mansions. THAT IS NOT HOW THE MAJORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE LIVE, HELL ANY RACE FOR THAT MATTER. You are obviously blind to the fact that whites also had a four hundred year head start. (I know, I know, thats in the past right. But lets see how that effects black people to this day). Havent most major businessess/corportations that are established been in business for well over a hundred years in some cases hundreds of years. Businesses such as BELLSOUTH(1879),Ford Motors(1916),Phillip Morris(1860),Coca-Cola(1887), Exxon(1899),American Express(1850),General Mills(1856),Sears(1893),Staple Cotton(1921)...I can go on and on. most MAJOR companies were founded before blacks even had the same rights as whites. Therefore they couldnt be owned by blacks..(I wonder what all this has to do with now). Most people would mark the ending of the civil rights area at around 1968. before this point in history it was rare for black schools(And still rare)to be on equal terms as far as eductional standards go. Thats only 38 years ago. So it has been only 38 years since blacks and white have been getting the roughly the same education.(Where is He going with this)Lets look at it from an economic standpoint, Lets say one race of people have been in charge(strictly speaking economically) for about 200 yrs. While another race could only begin to buy businesses about 40yrs ago. who would have the most money?(per capita, per-person. white and black)Lets not forget that a black business(like most)would probably need a loan from a bank to get started. Well the owners of said banks are probably white. and for a certain period of time you would NOT have gotten that loan. There are other reasons as well. I said earlier that education wise 1968 is the mark for everybody to been on the same terms. Lets be honest, White public schools are not the same as black public schools. Books are older, Equipment is hand me down,The buildings themselves are lackluster and not conducive for learning. The Funding is worse..You know what Fuck It. I&#39;m sick of typing, You get the point.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Race and Iron Man

    by AlabamaBaron

    The difference between the Black Panther being white and Iron Man being black is this...NOBODY knows who the Black Panther is(sure 1 out of every 100 people) double for luke cage. so they arent important enough to have to change. Hell if you made Tom Cruise The Black Panther, people would just think he&#39;s some rip-off of Batman. By making Iron Man black you make a statement. people know who Iron Man is, it shows a shift in popular culture as well as the popular way of thinking. besides how many black superheroes are there in total(From both universes Marvel & DC) about 15, 20. would it hurt so much to have a major(and Iron man is not really major)character change races. Lord forbid some black child see&#39;s the movie and goes "WOW" theres a hero that looks like me, thats not a fucking vampire.,. Hell i&#39;m not against John Leguizamo playing Iron Man or anybody else for that matter. So why does it seem to matter so much to most.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:23 p.m. CST

    My Creamsicle brings all the boys to the yard they&#39;re..

    by Spiderhulk

    like it&#39;s better than yours. They&#39;re like it&#39;s better than yours. I can teach you but you got.....

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:24 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m African American, and MCD sucked ballz as King Pin

    by ganymede2010

    They should of casted James Gandalfini.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:50 p.m. CST

    rightarm4Rosario

    by AlwaysThere

    You mean a fun, enjoyable movie

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:14 p.m. CST

    You know what would be cool?

    by Shermdawg

    If Favs got the American Chopper guys to do a Iron Man bike for the premiere.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Racism in the US

    by antonphd

    Don&#39;t forget, while there was racism from every race that originally came to the US or was already here, the Africans were the only race to be forcibly brought here and made slaves. All of the skeptics about afirmative action are historically ignorant dumbasses. If you know any history, you know how long it takes for any race to overcome slavery. A couple hundred years is nothing in the scope of time it takes. It will be the fastest recovery in history, but it&#39;s not a quick process.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:37 p.m. CST

    A black Stark is fine, I just prefer Olyphant.

    by Smurfette

    Does that make me racist?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:54 p.m. CST

    You guys are considering the wrong Owen

    by Immortal_Fish

    Wilson could be quite good in the role. Not denying that. But I&#39;m thinking of a different Owen. Not anything-else-but-Behind-Enemy-Lines-version-Owen-Wilson, but the actual Behind-Enemy-Lines-version-Owen-Wilson. He can convincingly and simultaneously pull off arrogance, hubris, and humanity. He&#39;s perfect. I also think he&#39;s the most overexposed one-note actor in the biz today, despite his untapped potential. Honestly, I can&#39;t stand him. Which is exactly where I&#39;m going with this. Doesn&#39;t prevent me from considering him in a final running of sorts at the very least, given his performance in Behind Enemy Lines. Give him time to grow a tee and break out the shoe polish after a buzz cut -- he&#39;s Tony Stark in the flesh. Would love to see him act opposite Terrence Howard in a serious role. Make it a post modern yet global Miami Vice and then we&#39;ll be cooking with gas.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST

    He&#39;s Good

    by MarkoOhNo

    He did a fantastic job in Hart&#39;s War and Crash. Good actor. I&#39;d be satisfied with that casting decision. I&#39;m just glad that it&#39;s been confirmed that he&#39;s not Tony Stark. Not that I give a crap about Iron Man. It&#39;s just that, while I agree that there should be WAY more good leading roles in scifi films for minority actors, race is actually a huge detail despite what PC culture tries to pound into everyones&#39; heads. When a character is created, it&#39;s created with a specific race & gender in mind. You don&#39;t mess with big details on major characters. It robs the essence of who he or she is. It&#39;d be like casting Steven Segal as B.A. Baracus in a movie version of A-Team, or like having a gay-ass truck with flames on the side play Optimus Prime. lol

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish

    by superninja

    I agree with you. That guy is a good actor. It would be nice to see him not play a wackadoo for once.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Debate over race changes...

    by lettersoftransit

    ...don&#39;t think people had a problem with Duncan being black as the Kingpin so much as they did he wasn&#39;t quite right for the part. Duncan plays sympathetic and friendly more than evil, which makes his bad guys interesting. But while the Kingpin of the comics was not cartoonishly evil without any redeeming qualities, he was never sympathetic or friendly. You never got the sense that hwith all his muscles he could crack a smaile. Alicia in the FF movie was also not a problem, cause the actress had a nice quality. But the intro scene suffered greatly from Ben meeting her in a bar instead of under the thumb of an evil father. (blame the under the table payments from the liquor companies who gave fistfuls of cash in exchange for a handful of booze references. Terence Howard might actor enough to play stark, but the fact is the world doesn&#39;t have enough black billionaires yet, long alone enough industrial billionaires, to make that play in a film without it feeling like the race issue would be part of the the story. Instead of trying to change the race of white heroes to black, why not put somre emphasis on fast-tracking some of the superheroes that already are black? Static on the WV network has proved most kids will accept a black hero and not think a half-second about it. Increasingly and encouragingly, we have more and more kids who are confused at the concept of racism and have no clue how it exists or why. One way to make more kids like that --aside from having some reali-life black billionaire industrialists -- would be to make a big budget film about a black hero. So polish up that Black Panther script, or that Luke Cage outline, and get something going.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:19 p.m. CST

    AlabamaBaron

    by superninja

    Black Panther totally hinges on the character being African. I mean, you could cast Charlize Theron, but I think every here gets the idea. Luke Cage&#39;s whole persona is wrapped up in a Blaxploitation character. Making him another race would basically miss the whole point of the character. Whereas Tony Stark comes from privilege, and that is the character. Stark is the son of an Italian immigrant who was a self-made man. That could translate to any immigrant.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:23 p.m. CST

    This is 2006, right?

    by superninja

    Just checking.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST

    DUDE!!!

    by MarkoOhNo

    Superninja&#39;s got himself a TIME MACHINE!!

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:38 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by antonphd

    wtf are you talking about?!? afirmative action doesn&#39;t have anything to do with rewarding bad behavior?!? it&#39;s about preventing bad behavior. what planet do you live on? do you just listen to politicians looking for a quick easy way to cut the budget and actually believe the BS? let me guess, you believe that Bush is a Christian too because he claims to be?!? stop listening to career politicians and radio shows and get a clue. life is complicated. oppression exists. slavery happened. people always look to blame their envy or failure on someone else. do you think that non minorities are losing opportunities because of afirmative action?! they are NOT! and minorities aren&#39;t getting any better opportunities than non-minorities because of affirmative action. and, give me a break, do you really want cry and blather about not getting that manual labor job at the waste disposal company? how about that payday working as the mid level manager at the Insurance company? nothing makes me laugh more than lazy people with no intelligent aspiration complaining that people who get charity or justice are getting a better deal. you are just fucking jealous that you don&#39;t have what you call an excuse for being a complete and total failure in life. now. please. explain to me how you are not a failure. go ahead. tell me what hard competitive job you were swindled out of by the &#39;evil minorities&#39;.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    And it&#39;s called RACE not SKIN color

    by antonphd

    Nobody descriminates by color of skin?! only children who grew up on Michael Jackson and We are the World think that way. It&#39;s centuries and millinia of competition for dominance for land and resources. Racism isn&#39;t about any else but an excuse to dominate. For instance, why do you think the out of the closet white racists call it white power, it&#39;s not named after &#39;girl power&#39;. it&#39;s about domination. you guys and your little color by number understanding of the world.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 1 a.m. CST

    nothing is funnier than seeing a white guy in the US cr

    by antonphd

    I&#39;ve never met a smart, hard working successful person who didn&#39;t look at whiners who complain about Affirmative Action as the most pathetic people in the US. You can&#39;t make it on your own so you have to blame it on the people that the US is trying to give a helping hand too? How selfish and pathetic is that? I was a foster kid and if there is any non-minority who knows what it&#39;s like to grow up being discriminated against, it&#39;s a foster kid. I watched plenty of foster kids grow up to be fuck ups. I didn&#39;t. I didn&#39;t get any helping hand but I worked my way over 14 years to become a game programmer. Try to do my job. It&#39;s fun as hell and hard as fuck. I worked myself to the bone to make it. I also have ADD and can&#39;t hardly read a page in a book without losing track of what I&#39;m reading. I struggle with math, physics, ai, graphics. I struggle and I succeed. And NOT ONE SINGLE TIME have I EVER looked at minorities who are being given help that I&#39;ll never get and think ANYTHING but GOOD FOR THEM. Only a selfish prick would do otherwise. You can take you BS hard work speaches and shove them up your ass, because you don&#39;t know hard work and a hard life. Come talk about what&#39;s fair in life when you start taking responsibility for your own success and start caring about people in society other than yourself. Little crybaby boys and their whiny little bitch excuses for be losers in life.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 3:38 a.m. CST

    DANG! Part Two

    by glodene

    I could go on one of my typical "you white geeks with your superiority complex rants", but fuck it...Why don&#39;t we all guzzle an ice cold 40oz, jump in a cadillac and go chase after us some big booty white wimen...Then after we enjoy a couple well deserved stress-relieving nuts, we can all sit back and laugh our ass off on how a comicbook caused an internet race riot.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:05 a.m. CST

    glodene

    by antonphd

    sounds good to me. you bring the 40oz and i&#39;ll bring the big booty white women.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Terence is too young for vietnam

    by chien_sale

    Especially since both Rhodes and Magnum TA were both in the trenches together.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Scratch vietnam

    by Lost Prophet

    and use the Gulf war then- or the most recent Iraq/ Afghanistan fuck up and make it all "topical"&#39;n shit

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 9:16 a.m. CST

    You really ought to stop pontificating...

    by Childe Roland

    ...on the race issue, anchorite. You&#39;re not coming off well at all. How can you completely discount hundreds of years of oppression when discussing the current state of African Americans and what they might or might not be entitled to in this thread, but beat the drum loudly on the subject of Jewish oppression and persecution every time the question of how much support the U.S. should be giving Israel comes up? Both are cultures largely displaced by slavery, both find themselves in a constant state of wariness due to both being largely unaccepted by the people of other ethnicities and cultures surrounding them. Why should one group of people get to point to its history in demanding a fair shake in the present while the other should just let the past go?

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Consider this

    by Immortal_Fish

    Your spouse or someone in your family needs an urgent operation that few specialize in. The first question you ask is, "We want to have the (BLANK) doctor do the procedure." Chances are quite strong that blank isn&#39;t populated with an ethnic title. Unless you&#39;re sick to the core, ethnicity is the farthest thing from your mind. I&#39;m thinking that blank is the word &#39;best&#39;. And things like affirmative action hold potential to exclude a percentage of what would make up the &#39;best&#39;.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by glodene

    Cultural Lethargy? Uh sir i don&#39;t know if you are aware of this, but African Americans (Blacks, Negros, etc) are the only ethnicity in this country that does&#39;nt have a true culture...Now think about the damage that can do to a race of people. Btw, is affirmative action is less of a threat than out-sourcing most jobs to cheaper overseas labor markets. Immortal Fish in the age of HMO&#39;s, the whole idea of who&#39;s best is moot.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Oops! Sorry for the bad...

    by glodene

    Grammar, but i&#39;m currently at work, so i&#39;m currently doing two things and trying to respond to your last post.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Culture

    by glodene

    With the exception of the American Indians, every ethnic group has immigrated over here with their culture and traditions intact. Jews, Asians, Italians, etc., suchas Hannukah (sorry if i mispelled it) Bar/Bat Mitzvahs&#39;, Latinos: Quincenera&#39;s, etc. African Americans (Blacks) was pretty much stripped of their heritage/culture when brought over here as slaves. The closest thing we have is (the condescending) Black History Month. Hell the Asians have Moon Festival, Chinese New Year, etc. So how about execising a little empathy.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 3:34 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by antonphd

    Dude. You are one serious racist. And you don&#39;t even know it, do you?! Enjoy being a part of what is wrong in the world, dude.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Do you mean to say "African American" isn&#39;t a proper te

    by antonphd

    Do you hear the how fucking angry you sound toward QUOTE Afican Americans UNQUOTE. Anyone can tell you have serious hate and envy and cry baby issues from just reading your posts. If you want to be a closet fuckhead... racist... you have to be more subtle about it. You can&#39;t take the angry approach when you talk to people who disagree with you. You have to take the &#39;well, let&#39;s just take a moment to analyse this and see what comes of it&#39; approach and then you sneak in your racist... fuckhead... ideas.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:03 p.m. CST

    As the size of government continues to grow

    by superninja

    people are going to get pettier and pettier, and race and multiculturalism will become more emphasized to make sure everyone gets pandered to. So the government can make you think you&#39;re deciding what they do with your money. They hold the purse strings. I agree largely with everything anchorite says, so I guess that makes me a racist. Whatever. My Native American will start arguing with my Czech American over reparations any day now!

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t know if you&#39;ve noticed, antonphd, but

    by superninja

    black Americans have created their own culture. How you could miss this, I&#39;m not sure.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, good point about all of

    by superninja

    the mixed heritage. Same with me. What it comes down to for these people is melanin content. Racism exists in every culture and is never going away. This is about as equitable as it&#39;s going to get.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by glodene

    What black american culture are you talking about? And please don&#39;t say hip hop.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    History of slavery

    by Total_Kneebiter

    Just thought I&#39;d throw this out there: First, there were JUST AS MANY Irish slaves as there were black ones. The fact that the Irish ones were called indentured servants doesn&#39;t change teh fact that the majority of them died in bondage even though there servitude had technically ended and the debt was paid, but because (like the black slaves) they weren&#39;t considered "gentile" they were not granted rights. Just a small point, there. Second, and this is the big one, theres a certain discrepency in the whole slavery thing that I would like to see rectified, but it&#39;s not politically correct to discuss. That is to say that EVERY race on earth has at one time enslaved or been enslaved. Additionally, white people (which is as racist as referring to all latin people as brown people) were not the first people to enslave africans. Africans were. When the DUTCH and SPANISH trading ships arrived in africa, they purchased africans who had ALL READY been enslaved by other more powerful tribes in ethiopa. These ethiopians (and other african tribes) spent the next 150 years capturing the members of smaller less powerful tribes which they then sold and traded to the dutch and spanish traders. I only point this out because the word racist keeps getting thrown around with very little in the way of historicity to back up the ideas of the person throwing out the word. Personally, I have my own opinions about it, but for this issue, I&#39;m just pointing out what can be stated as objectively factual. WORD

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:29 p.m. CST

    African American culture does include hip

    by superninja

    hop. It also includes soul food, tons of varieties of music including the unique Gospel style and Spirituals, literature, poetry, art, fashion, all unique to the African American experience. Are you saying this does not exist?

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Well actually...

    by glodene

    What i meant was something that was spawned from the mother country that is rooted in true African history and tradition as opposed to something less "Pop Cultural"

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    But they&#39;re not rooted in African history.

    by superninja

    They&#39;re not Africans. They&#39;re Americans. Anymore than an Irish American is rooted still in Ireland. Do you go around asking Irish people this? Obviously, the main difference is that they were brought here forcibly and used for slave labor, which was cruel and immoral. But during that time they began developing a culture apart from their slaveowners, simply for purposes of survival and comfort. Their decendants have nothing in common with African culture but very much with American culture.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Sigh!

    by glodene

    You still don&#39;t get it. Every ethnic group(s) culture in one way or another has a point of reference that is grounded in a deep tradition that goes to their point of origin (Ireland, Israel, etc.) African Americans (Blacks) doesn&#39;t have that connection.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Strangely, neither do I! I just tend to stick to

    by superninja

    American. I guess I visited a Cherokee reservation in Oklahoma a few times, but I have not been to the motherland Europe yet! But which country do I visit? My anglo roots or my slavic? My, the choices! Oh well. Trust me, I get it. You, though? I doubt it. Their point of origin is Africa, their culture is not. It is distinctly American.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Um...Irish Americans are generally quite rooted...

    by Childe Roland

    ...in their ethnicity, at least the ones I know (including a very large contingent of my family). They cling to very Irish traditions and superstitions very closely and maintain a very proud cultural identity. Not suggesting a direct correlation, but it is interesting to point out in the context of this larger conversation that the Irish portion of my family (my mom&#39;s mom&#39;s people) are among the most racist human beings I know. And anchorite, I really do understand where you&#39;re coming from and how you got to where you are in your views, I just think they&#39;re off base by enough of a margin to make you appear racist to enough folks that you might (just might) want to consider things from their perspective. Here&#39;s a question: If an individual of different pigmentation or ethnicity than you perceives racism in your words or behavior toward them that you do not intend, can racism be said to exist? I think so, just as negative results can come from the best intentions. The abolishment of racism (as intended or perceived) can really only come from a mutual understanding of each other&#39;s points of view and sensitive consideration of the same in future dealings. And, for the record, I&#39;m actually of the opinion that all peoples should "move on" in a sense if they are pointing to the past as justification for current actions. The past owes nobody anything but the knowledge gained from experiencing or learning about it. I think everyone could benefit form a much more grudgeless approach to dealing with others, both on the personal and the international level. But I know damned well that mindset puts me in a minority.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Childe Rowland. How about either a statement

    by superninja

    is true or it is not? And instead of taking it personally, and therefore making it personal, you discuss the issue from the perspective of whether or not it is correct? I find that this cuts down on the ability to give or receive offense if people approach it in this manner. The problem is, most people argue solely based on emotion.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:37 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by glodene

    The American culture that you&#39;re referring to for the most part is Euro-centric at best, but by your own admission, you have your Cherokee & Slavic cultures/traditions to draw from. In my dealings with Africans (Nigerians, Ethiopians, etc.) are somewhat troubling in the sense that their opinions of African Americans are that we are damaged and lossed and will never be accepted as true Africans...So the culture that you&#39;re referring to is something that was thrusted upon us, as opposed to something more spiritually organic.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Charlize Theron is an African-American, right?

    by Immortal_Fish

    If she is, then Earl Cameron is an African-American-Britan, yes? Quite silly, all this. Teddy Roosevelt was right about hyphenated Americans. You&#39;re either an American... or not.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Immortal_Fish

    by glodene

    Bringing up Charlize Theron as an African American is nothing more than a cheap-rationalization...And considering that she was born in South Africa during Apatheid is insulting, especially in an old interview she stated after apatheid was abolished that there would be no future for White Africaners.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 7:21 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by glodene

    Considering all the atrocities that was committed against Biko, Mandella & the black South Africans during apatheid - FUCKEM! And before any of you go off on me for being less than sympathetic, i reserve the right to be just as knave as The Jews when they feel that they&#39;ve been wronged.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Nope!

    by glodene

    I&#39;m merely empathizing with the Black South Africans after all they went through, as opposed to playing the good negro (ala Sidney Portier) and turning the other cheek. As far as Israel&#39;s response to the Hezbollah bombings, i think that they are guilty of overkill as usual, but as in So. Africa, when you treat people like shit they will act like shit. Israel tends to get carte blanch in all of their military endeavors, so what can you do except hope that the middle east doesn&#39;t become one big Jihad and nuke the oil supply while fucking each other up.

  • Aug. 4, 2006, 1:44 a.m. CST

    anchorite, don&#39;t kid yourself

    by glodene

    What&#39;s going on in the Middle East is not complicated. It&#39;s nothing more than the haves and the have-nots fighting over land and an antiquated religious belief system. Whose right and whose wrong is immaterial. It all boils down to conquering or be conquered. Its the same old passion play called Mans inhumanity to Man blah, blah, blah...The only problem is that some of these overly-emotional children have nuclear weapons and when push comes to shove they won&#39;t be afraid to use them in the name of Allah.

  • Aug. 4, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Now you&#39;re projecting.

    by glodene

    Not once did i imply that what was going on with blacks in America was complicated, but on behalf of all my welfare mooching, car-stealing, under-educated brothers and sisters who obviously been taking advantage of the affirmative action quota system, i appologize for keeping your white jewish ass from reaching your full potential as a privileged and successful member of society. Just promise me that you won&#39;t be joining some angry white male militia and start blowing up federal buildings and releasing anthrax all over place, because in the overall scheme of things y&#39;all still have over 95% of the pie while us mooching minorities are still fighting over the scraps...See it ain&#39;t complicated...It all boils down to the haves and have-nots. PEACE!

  • Aug. 7, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST

    HA! HA! HA!

    by glodene

    Calm down Anchy! In fact, you&#39;re cordially invited to return your senses. I don&#39;t hate white people. Hell, they sign my paycheck and contribute to my 401k plan. I luv white people. Some of my best sexual experiences has come from being pleasured by some of y&#39;all&#39;s more than accomodating daughters...And if i recall MUTHA FUCKA, it was you who threw down the racist gauntlet by posting earlier that us colored folks be breaking into yo&#39; car and be exhibiting "Cultural Lethargy & Bad Behavior". It&#39;s like i said before - You treat people like shit, They act like shit. Now i don&#39;t know what yo&#39; mama taught you as a young&#39;un, but when you make statements like that, some people will tend to take that shit the wrong way. It&#39;s just basic physics: For every action, there will be a reaction...So i suggest that you work on your people skills bitch and stop being so goddamn superior and condescending. Who knows, next time you may not get passed up for that next promotion by some unqualified un-deserving minority.

  • Oct. 23, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    WTF...is this a time warp to a year ago?

    by Mike_D

    what the hell?