Ain't It Cool News (www.aintitcool.com)
Movie News

THE DARK KNIGHT will be protecting Gotham from Heath Ledger! Confirmed by WB!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. All the rumors have been confirmed. Heath Ledger is the Joker in the BATMAN BEGINS sequel, officially announced as THE DARK KNIGHT, which is a badass title. Remember back when Sony was going to go with AMAZING SPIDER-MAN for Spidey 2? The thought being they could go on with SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN and PETER PARKER, SPIDER-MAN, etc... for the other sequels? Well, they wussed out and WB didn't. Great news! I'm quite a fan of Ledger's work so far. I don't quite see him as The Joker, but I'm more than willing to let him prove that he is worthy to wear the purple suit! Here's the press release from WB!!!

BURBANK, CA, 31 July 2006 – As a follow up to last year’s blockbuster Batman Begins, Christopher Nolan is set to direct Warner Bros. Pictures’ The Dark Knight, written by Jonathan Nolan, based on a story by Christopher Nolan and David Goyer. The film will be produced by Emma Thomas, Charles Roven and Christopher Nolan. Additionally, Christian Bale will resume his role as Bruce Wayne and Academy Award nominee Heath Ledger has been cast as The Joker. The announcements were made today by Jeff Robinov, President of Production, Warner Bros. Pictures.

Christopher Nolan revamped the Batman franchise in 2005 with the immensely successful Batman Begins, starring Christian Bale in the title role, which chronicled the early years of the superhero. Nolan first garnered attention from critics and fans in 2000 with the groundbreaking drama Memento, which he wrote and directed. He went on to direct the thriller Insomnia, starring Al Pacino and Robin Williams, and recently wrapped production on The Prestige, with Hugh Jackman and Bale.

Bale was most recently seen in the ensemble cast of Terrence Malick’s The New World. His other credits include Little Women, Portrait of a Lady, Metroland, American Psycho, Laurel Canyon and Steven Spielberg’s Empire of the Sun, which was his first starring role.

Ledger most recently earned Oscar Golden Globe, BAFTA and SAG Award nominations and won the New York Film Critics Circle Award for Best Actor for his portrayal of Ennis Del Mar in the award-winning drama Brokeback Mountain. His other credits include Casanova, Monster’s Ball, Lords of Dogtown, The Brothers Grimm and The Patriot.

“Chris’ unique vision is what made Batman Begins such an outstanding film and we could not imagine anyone else at the helm of The Dark Knight,” said Robinov. “We also can’t wait to see two such formidable actors as Christian and Heath face off with each other as Batman and The Joker.”

“I'm excited to continue the story we started with Batman Begins,” added Nolan. “Our challenge in casting The Joker was to find an actor who is not just extraordinarily talented but fearless. Watching Heath Ledger's interpretation of this iconic character taking on Christian Bale’s Batman is going to be incredible.”

Production is set to begin on The Dark Knight in early 2007.

Nolan and Ledger are represented by CAA.



Readers Talkback
comments powered by Disqus
    + Expand All
  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:31 a.m. CST

    first?

    by Sublimefn87

    maybe

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    second?

    by warsinthesun

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:33 a.m. CST

    2nd?

    by ewokstew

    And, who cares...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Captain Panaka...

    by BNITT

    I hope the actor who played Captain Panaka is in this one! You need a one eyed cynical bastard in this movie!!! LONG LIVE CAPTAIN PANAKA!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:34 a.m. CST

    Hopefully there is no brokeback action

    by JoeyRusso1290

    I had to be the one to say it, you knew it was coming. Oh and if you want to win a Descent theatrical poster go to this link... http://www.movietack.net/r971-the-descent-review-and-contest-movie-feature.html

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Heathy

    by ewokstew

    Sorry, can't see it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:35 a.m. CST

    brokeback joker

    by RedScab

    Well I trust Nolan, just can't see this guy as the Joker. But you gotta love the title. FRACK YEAH, FIRST!!!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST

    George Costanza once said

    by MapMan

    "Well, I'm satisfied." And so am I. Batman is in capable hands once again.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:36 a.m. CST

    yuck

    by invalid entry

    heath? gawd. Hope it proves me wrong.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    First!!!

    by FFRewind

    To say, "BrokeBat Mountain". Okay, now no one can think it's funny. Carry on.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    VERY disappointed

    by MrBook

    I'm sorry, I really thought Crispin Glover would've been perfect. On the other hand, I have trust Nolan's instincts, and I'm sure the movie will still be great.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:39 a.m. CST

    When's this puppy coming out anyway?

    by MapMan

    Is there a date? A year?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST

    Jake Gyllenhaal as Harvey Dent

    by Hell's Cigarette

    Talk amongst yourselves.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:41 a.m. CST

    Nolan's instincts

    by JoeyRusso1290

    I would have to agree....Nolan did cast the first pic ALMOST perfectly.....I'm sure he saw something in Heath we all didn't.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Ledger plays great villains

    by Horace Cox

    Heath Ledger garnered rave reviews for his portrayal of The Poker in Brokeback Mountain.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:46 a.m. CST

    Let's see how well Ledger can pull off "maniacal"

    by Mr.F.N.Sunshine

    I haven't seen anything in his body of work that suggests he can or can't do it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST

    about time quint

    by peopleintrees

    lay off the pot, this news is old

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    please don't let this suck.

    by VoodooV

    Nolan has such a good thing going here. Please don't let Joker just be some laughing idiot in clown makeup....PLEASE the guy has to be totally psycho. like..Silence of the Lambs level of psycho y'know? And c'mon...lets get real with the clown makeup....getting dropped in a vat of chemicals is NOT going to make you look like bozo the clown ok? have some chemical burn marks...make it look messy..make it look REAL...just have it be vaguely clown like.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST

    GONNA GET CRAZY IN HERE

    by THE KNIGHT

    So let me get someting off my chest... I'm going to trust Nolan and crew with his decision to cast Heath Ledger as the Joker... To anyone who is having doubts but you enjoyed Batman Begins, I say go out on a limb and trust him also. They must obviously see something in Ledger that we may or may not see, so with that in mind, Summer 2008 couldn't come fast enough... Oh and Warners, please make sure the film has the best release date it can get... At least 2 to 3 weeks of no competition so Batman can make his money.... This is great news.... And yes, I've typed way too much... BALE DAMMIT!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Those fucking Spicks .....

    by Darth Evil Dead

    At Latinreview got it right again.. They broke the story weeks ago.. Good job.. Who said all Latin People are lazy? I like those guys... What ever rumor they come out with from now on I will believe with no doubt.. They can say Paris Hilton will star as Black Cat in Spiderman 4.. And I will believe those lazy fucks right from the start.. Anyways let the Brokeback Batman jokes begin !!! http://www.youtube.com/user/DarthEvilDead

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:55 a.m. CST

    And Shannyn Sossamon as Harley Quinn...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...because Heath and she had such great chemistry in The Order and A Knight's Tale. Now my non-jerk reaction. Not impressed but willing to be. Just make sure Oldman and Caine are back.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:55 a.m. CST

    ONE MORE THING

    by THE KNIGHT

    I haven't read the talk back yet, *will so in a minute* but I'm going to assume that a few idiots will make tons of brokeback mountain jokes.... If there isn't one joke, I'll be extremely suprised...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Oh, and...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...Katie Holmes isn't.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Amazing

    by The Dum Guy

    So it is true, the Joker is... what about Hoffman as the Penguin? Nice title, at least it's not "Batman Begins to Return". Not alot of "news" being reported round here lately, what ever happend to those vaguely confirmed rumors?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:05 a.m. CST

    awesome.

    by mocky_puppet

    i know a lot of people didn't like "begins". i watched it several times and really enjoyed it a lot, but then i guess i'm also half a retard. this really sounds good. and red ned is right: 86 the katie holmes, please. or katie cruise, whatever.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Should be called "Batman Continues"

    by Liberty Valance

    Just kidding. But as lame as this suggestion is, is it really any worse than the uninspired "Batman Begins" moniker? What a bland title for such a fine film. No matter. "The Dark Knight" is a badass motherfucker of a title. I hope they stick with it unlike those cunts at Sony. If they had their way those marketing geniuses would change "Casino Royale" to "James Bond 21."

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:06 a.m. CST

    I wish you could quit your capslock key, Knight

    by BrandLoyalist

    There ya go, The Knight, that makes four (if meta counts). "Brokebat Mountain"... heh heh, I think it's funny, FFRewind

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Shannyn Sossamon could maybe be Catwoman...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    but not Harley. If it's not Brittany Murphy cast a no-name, I can't think of anyone famous who could pull it off. And for those who keep saying Reese Witherspoon, stop for a second and consider what her take on a maniacal laugh would sound like... exactly, it'd be awful. Plus she has a Jay Leno chin.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:08 a.m. CST

    I guess I'm ok with it

    by clockpolitiks

    I thought the casting for begins was great, so hopefully they know what they are doing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Mis Cast

    by Phategod1

    should have been glover or Guy Peirce.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Croc

    by The Dum Guy

    The Killer-Croc dude from the animated series should be played by Ron Perlman. Now everyone list who should be the next character/villain in the sequels, and Crispin Glover is not valid any longer.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I heard Heath would only do the movie...

    by Darth Evil Dead

    If they brought back the bat nipples on the costume.. He wanted to have something to suck when Batman frisk's him. He said the Black Leather turns him on and makes his cock explode with white Joker Juice that he will spread on his skin, to give him the white color he needs for the part. Everything I said up above was a test.. It was a test for the Broke Back Batman Jokes of America Association that will be starting up on TV and Blogs across america in the coming days. Be warned this is only a test. Many lame jokes will be on talk shows and blogs.. Be ready for their lame ness.. You have been warned!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:13 a.m. CST

    oh, and The Dark Knight is a badass title, hope...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    they stick with it. Skeptical on Heath, I didn't even consider him, but I trust Chris Nolan. I sure as HELL don't trust David retard Goyer though. Get that man the hell away from the script!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    The Dark Knight! I love it!

    by Bean_

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:20 a.m. CST

    "OMG"

    by The Dum Guy

    "Brokeback" is one word. I'm sure your attempt to warn us of the impending "Joke/Broke-back" jokes is of due concern, however your a week late.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST

    Who should play who...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Jude Law would be a fantastic RIDDLER. Liev Schrieber for TWO-FACE, unless they want to add some color in which case obviously Denzel, though I doubt he'd do it. Definitely Brittany Murphey as HARLEY. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER. Ben Kingsley as The VENTRILOQUIST, MR FREEZE, or the CLOCK KING. Or Patrick Stewart as the VENTRILOQUIST, the CLOCK KING, or MR FREEZE (the best Mr Freeze was the deathly serious one from the Animated Series, and Kingsley and Stewart would be perfect for that). Or Jonathan Pryce for the VENTRILOQUIST or the CLOCK KING. I think Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson could pull off BANE. Andy Serkis would be a good PENGUIN. Angelina Jolie for CATWOMAN or possibly POISON IVY. Actually, Diane Lane, or someone similar could work as POISON IVY. Michael Massee as ZSASZ. John Cleese would have been a great Joker back in the day. Will Arnett for CLAYFACE. Mickey Rourke as KILLER CROC. James Spader as BLACK MASK. If we're really reaching for characters, Brad Pitt as HUSH. And I guess that's it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    I think he'll be ok

    by mrevilbreakfast

    Benefit of the doubt has to go to Nolan, the guy hasn't let us down before, he's not going to start with a massive casting fuckup for a major character in what could be the biggest film of whatever year this will be released in. Ledger is cool, check out Two Hands for proof of that. And he has a brilliantly crazy (motherfucking perfect) grin on his mug too, which could only help.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Gotta wonder if they'll include Harley Quinn in this...

    by Doc_Strange

    She is an essential link to the Joker, almost like his connection more or less to humanity. I wonder if she'll show up in the movie or in the inevitable sequel if it does well.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Actually, Christopher Lloyd should be the Clock King.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    There we go.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST

    I'm sorry Dum Guy, but I never seen the movie..

    by Darth Evil Dead

    I know Broke is a word on its own, and Back is a word on its own according to the dictionary. Though I did not know the title was put together like that. I don't have the movie on DVD to wack off to 7 times a day like you do Dum Guy. So I'm sorry I defaced your favorite movie. I will go to your "Queers and Steers Brokeback Mountain Movie Fan Club" page that your the President of, and leave a message saying I'm sorry.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:33 a.m. CST

    I don't see it at all

    by I Dunno

    Crispin Glover was such an obvious choice and Ledger hasn't done anything to suggest he can pull off the psychotic/scary Joker that everyone wants, instead of the silly, campy ass Joker we'll probably get.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Fascinating casting choice. BRILLIANT title.

    by one9deuce

    THE DARK KNIGHT is such a great title. Will they stay with it? Hopefully. Like a lot of you I don't immediately see Heath Ledger as The Joker, but he is immensely talented and I'm looking forward to his interpretation. I haven't looked forward to a film this much in a couple of years.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST

    Darth

    by The Dum Guy

    Actualy, I do wack to the Brokeback when that Princess Diaries chick takes off her top (just push pause and you can get a real nice frame). You know that homophobia is a sign that you might actualy be gay, so just to let you know, watching a movie about gay people doesn't make you gay.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST

    FUCK YEAH!

    by hiperaktiv

    This shit is gonna rock the fucken house. Mother fucken Heath Ledger would make a great fucken Joker and mother fucken "The Dark Knight" is a fucken great title. Bale and Nolan were a great fucken combo for the first movie. Fuck yeah. This shit rules. Fuck.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:43 a.m. CST

    LOSER CHOICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Orionsangels

    That's it the franchise is over. You don't need to cast big names. It's all marketing crap.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:48 a.m. CST

    JAKE GYLLENHAAL as HARLEY QUIN!!!!

    by Rearden

    No? Well ... we can always hope.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Could work

    by Kronus316

    I would have rather seen Adrian Brody as the Joker, but I think Ledger could pull it off. I just hope they don

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:53 a.m. CST

    subtitle?

    by Jubba

    anyone think they'll wuss out and go with Batman: The Dark Knight? they could do this to make sure people who casually see the title know it's a batman movie and not something from monty python, for instance

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:54 a.m. CST

    Thank you Rearden For....

    by Darth Evil Dead

    BrokeBack Batman joke #314.. Your joke will be assigned a number so it cant be copyrighted by all the media and blogs that are going to have fun with this. So if someone uses your joke without permisson. They will have to pay you royalties. This message was paid for by the Brokeback Batman Jokes of America Association.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Awesome fucking title!

    by Trancer

    If the movie lives up to it (and it should), it's gonna be fantastic.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Killing Joke

    by Det. John Kimble

    Heath needs to lose about 40 pounds to be jokeresque. Personally I was hoping they'd get Adrian Brody to do it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Amazing

    by messi

    Totally BADASS title. Incredible casting. since we know he can act and we haven't seen Ledger play a psycho. We would have known what to expect from Betanny, Hugo Weaving. So this is an awesome choice. Apparently an offer has been made to Phillip Seymour Hoffman too as the penguin. What an awesome title.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST

    joker goes spelunking into batman's cave

    by Jubba

    that's copyrighted now too

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:57 a.m. CST

    I am totally behind this casting!!

    by Rearden

    For THREE reasons: A.) Heath is really coming into his own as a powerhouse actor (BBM was amazing), B.) B/c I cannot picture him as the Joker I am immediately intrigued (I must see this!), and C.) It indicates a very positive direction Nolan is going with the character, as I can see Ledger playing a truly frightening Joker, rather than just a ham, who we can actually take seriously as a threat ... which is exactly what this character needs.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2 a.m. CST

    RE: Jake Gyllenhaal as Harvey Dent

    by PirateEmery

    Uh... Nolan wouldn't do that after the miraculous rebirth of the Batman franchise. Both Brokebackers in the same movie? No one is going to take it seriously! OTOH, kudos for the new title. Being a big Batman fan since my early years, I still enjoy the references of him being The Dark Knight.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2 a.m. CST

    Thank you Darth...

    by Rearden

    ...for pointing that out. The one thing you fail to recognize: My joke was the best. Try to top me ... I'm listening.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:01 a.m. CST

    Bat nipples?

    by Rearden

    That just won't cut it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:02 a.m. CST

    once again

    by BadMrWonka

    Darth jumps into the talkback with a welcome mixture of bad jokes, bad grammar, bad spelling, and bad punctuation...I missed you bud! you still think Scarlett has a-cups? check out the miami vice talkback for a link...on a side note, anyone looking for a little 90's nostalgia (you weren't born, Darth, don't sweat it) download 'Sad Sweetheart of the Rodeo' by Harvey Danger...good memories!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:03 a.m. CST

    I'm with you Wonka.

    by Rearden

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:07 a.m. CST

    Nolan casts actors.

    by Barry Egan

    Not look alikes. Ledger is a really talented actor and should be great in the role. I am glad that Nolan is casting in this method.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:08 a.m. CST

    Ledger did "Manic" pretty well in Lords of Dogtown

    by Tall_Boy

    Yeah, lots of scenery chewing and yelling and screaming in that one. Can see him do Loud. Which is Jokertastic.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:09 a.m. CST

    ledger

    by BadMrWonka

    I'm not upset by this at all. I was less concerned by the casting, than worried that the studios might pressure this character into being a comic foil. I've never read a comic book in my life, so I'm sure many of you will immediately discount my opinion, but still. tim burton's batman universe was a wacky one, and so Jack as the joker made sense. but batman begins was a more substantial and cohesive movie, and if they want to continue the franchise in the same direction, with the same batman and the same director, they should keep the villians in the same vein. nothing in batman begins was wacky, and even though it's "the joker" I agree with Rearden, I want someone truly threatening, and actually, fundamentally schizo...that would be interesting to see...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    A case of bad timing.

    by WacksOnWacksOff

    Should've given Ledger more time to win the fanboys over, doing something sinister or maniacal in another movie. With that said, sounds interesting, I'll buy it. Personally, I'm sick of the maniacal crazy cackling Joker. I want evil, pure evil, like the Joker of the 80's and 90's comics. And despite what you say, you know you're gonna see it anyways. Anybody who says otherwise is lying. After all, you and I both had to see Batman and Robin at some point in your life in order to claim it to be the piece of garbage that it is. If this ends up being another Batman Begins, great! If not, you can't avoid the inevitable outcome which is, you will watch it anyway.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    it muddies the waters...

    by Son of Batman

    So, now we'll have three seperate entites that can be refered to as "Dark Knight." One excellent, one inconsistent, and, judging it merely through the first try, one ridiculously bad. That sucks.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:12 a.m. CST

    What the fuck Wonka?

    by Darth Evil Dead

    Why dont you take your one hit wonders Havery Danger and shove a Flagpole Sitta up your ass.. Wait..that might be BrokeBack Batman joke number 325. Ummm..by the way the jokes are not ranked by how funny they are Reardon.. Just by what order they come into the patten office.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Would it kill them...

    by UMAGA

    to mention Equilibrium as movie Bale has starred in?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST

    It will be good.

    by werideatdusk

    I am 100% behind this project. Though I still want to call it "Batman Continues," just for the humor value.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Yawn.

    by kintar0

    Whatever. I think they shouldn't let anyone direct/write more than one Batman movie. Viva le diff

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:17 a.m. CST

    What's a "patten office," Darth?

    by milla jovovich

    Mexico's boring if you're not near a city or a beach.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:21 a.m. CST

    i hope they tone down the joker

    by El Borak

    a little bit. i liked nicholson but i can't see ledger doing that without being annoying as hell.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Hey, Darth...

    by Rearden

    That's "REARDEN" not "REARDON." I guess the half-dozen times it was spelled out above was insufficient. (that and "patten office")

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:25 a.m. CST

    I just don't see him as The Joker.

    by Psyclops

    Heath is a fine actor but I can't even picture him in the role. I've never seen a performance of his that was the least bit creepy or off the wall, nothing that would lay the groundwork for the kind of character that the Joker is. I do trust Nolan and I hope he sees something in Ledger that an audience has yet to see.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST

    FOR ALL THOSE WHO WANTED BETTANY, GLOVER

    by messi

    the problem is that if they got cast we'd know what to expect, Bettany has played psychotic 'evil' roles so many times, that he'd be playing 'psychotic evil paul bettany' not the joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:27 a.m. CST

    The 2

    by Darth Maui

    "Brittany Murphy as HARLEY. Martin Short would be the perfect MAD HATTER." Those choices actually make sense. Therefore they are not likely to ever happen.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Joker will be extreme

    by messi

    well batman on film who are never wrong got it from sources that there will be a backstory on the joker(don't know if it's the killing joke), we wont see him till mid way and he will be extreme rather than ludicrous ala jack nicholson. It's a dark crime drama and joker is definately a psycho.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Psyclops...

    by Rearden

    I understand your reservations. But what is important in cating is finding great actors who demonstrate genuine talent and versatility, not just asking them revisit roles they have already played. In Ledger's case, nothing in his history did "lay the groundwork" for his role in BMM. But he delivered something new. Something unique. And I think that's what we can expect from his turn as the Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:31 a.m. CST

    No shit!

    by b3mike

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:34 a.m. CST

    Hey BNITT.........

    by sith-vol

    .........I know I'm going to regret this...but Hugh Quarshie played Captain Panaka in Episode One: The Phantom Menace, and he had two eyes.........Jay Laga'aia played Captain Typho...the aforementioned "One-eyed cynical bastard" in Episode Two: Attack of the Clones. Oh and fuckin a I think Ledger is a great choice.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:36 a.m. CST

    News travel slow around here

    by b3mike

    You guys do know that there's other sites that confirmed this hours ago right? Who I'm I kidding the stereotypical talk-backer is on here 24/7.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Sorry about the Spelling Error's

    by Darth Evil Dead

    But all the blood in my head is in my cock right now. My friends mom who lives a couple of houses down from me.. Is giving me head right now. She s 42, but man can she suck a cock. And if you kind of squint..she looks like Meg Ryan. When I was writting before she was giving me a Lap dance.. So the blood is flowing. In a couple of minutes, something else is going to be flowing. I hope she swallows, I just cleaned the carpets. Anyways I just love how when someone is in attack mode, and they have nothing to say. They go right for the spelling. 75% of the talkback messages have spelling errors and bad grammer. But when when your cock goes limp..I guess you have to attack something. Thanks for the grammer check boys. Im glad you care....splooge

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Ledger and Nolan's Killing Joke?

    by CRanapia

    OK, even though I thought Boreback Mountain was waaay over-rated for reasons political rather than artistic, it at least proved that Ledger can actually deliver a competent performance when he has a non-hack director and decent script to work with. Hard to tell with the astounding amounts of shit on his resume. My quibble is did Nolan really have to go with such an obvious choice of vilian? If he wanted to continue with the more 'realistic' noir-ish tone of BB, I'd love to see Two Face finally done properly. It's pretty hard to out-overact Jim Carey when he's on the all-caffeine diet, but Tommy Lee Jones did it. Still, I'm pretty confident the Nolan Brothers and David S. Goyer are going to construct a script that seriously de-camps The Joker, and bring it closer to the more dangerous, seriously bug-shit dangerous figure of Alan Moore's 'The Killing Joke' - though I doubt we're going to see Gordon's wife or daughter shot in the spine and crippled. And that's half the battle.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:39 a.m. CST

    even though

    by BadMrWonka

    I love a good rag on Darth as much as anyone, picking on him for his butchering of the English language is kind of like eating at Taco Bell and chugging a bottle of visine, then being surprised when you feel a gurgle in your stomach. shitty is shitty, there's no way around it. oh and Darth, thanks for mentioning the other of 2 hits by Harvey Danger, then calling them a 1 hit wonder. you missed your chance, if you'd called them a 2 hit wonder, I would have applauded you for finally putting together a coherent joke in your comment. things being as they are, I'll have to settle for being entertained by the continuous string of lame and child-like humor that you vomit out into the talkback. stick your finger down your throat and give us another one, babycakes!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Cinematography by Burt Nolan...

    by jollysleeve

    ....Score by Lester Nolan, catering by Wendy Nolan, and starring Nolan Ryan.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:41 a.m. CST

    Give it up, Darth.

    by Rearden

    or should I say "giv itt uP; dorrth"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Ledger's Fine, But...

    by Rebeck

    Is Nolan going to cast every single fucking role with English, Australian, Irish actors. (5 of the leads last time) This may be the only "American Mythology" that's acted out completely by non-Americans. God knows if it were the other way a around, an English story made all-American, the Brits would be throwing an enormous transatlantic hissy fit. God forbid a Yank play Harry Potter! Oh my god!!! Nolan...are our actors that bad??

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:46 a.m. CST

    never mind

    by BadMrWonka

    looks like you already did...friend's mom...lol, classic...I was pretty sure you were a kid before, now I'm 100% convinced...maybe stick to youtube, that seems to be the purview of semi-literate middle schoolers...AICN is for semi-literate college educated comic book nerds, and you won't be one of those for another 10 years...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:47 a.m. CST

    "Have you ever....

    by thecomedian

    sodomized the devil in a tent by the pale moonlight?" I trust Nolan because this choice at least shows some thought and imagination. If they're doing the Killing Joke origin it's good because we need someone who can be a nobody, who wants to be a somebody and in a very twisted way gets his wish. That takes acting chops and someone who can make the pathetic schlub to Homicidal Aspiring Celebrity without falling back on dumb shit we'd expect. Most of the comedic actors in hollywood have the same bag of tricks they schlepp from role to role. There should be a creepy element of surprise with The Joker. I just hope they thin him out. Crispin Glover would have been god awful.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:50 a.m. CST

    And still nothing about a rumoured threesome with Robin

    by GreatWhiteNoise

    Seriously though, kudos to WB for some excellent casting. Ledger definitely has the acting chops to pull off what will be a make-or-break role for this franchise. Besides, can you imagine what a nightmare Crispin Glover must be around the set?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:51 a.m. CST

    and actually...

    by thecomedian

    "The Killing Joke" would be an even better title than The Dark Knight and they would neccessarily have to literally adapt the bits with him shooting Barbara in the gut and taking Gordon on the rollercoaster ride but they could just have to origin and tell a great Batman meets the Joker story.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:51 a.m. CST

    the comdian

    by Rearden

    "sodomized the devil." That was a good one. That might beat my "Gyllenhaal/Harley Quin" joke above. I concede. (and you're right about Crispin Glover)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:53 a.m. CST

    "wouldn't neccessarily" "the origin"

    by thecomedian

    "need sleepy"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:55 a.m. CST

    At last 10 good reasons to hate this casting ...

    by Darth_Bogart

    ... exist. The strongest one is the fact that Paul Bettany completely stole Ledger's show in "A Knight's Tale". Seriously, although Heath may be all the rage right now there aren't many young actors who constantly delivered great performances the way Bettany did. He would have been the right person to wear da purple suit (If they really HAD to go for a young actor instad of taking fanboy-favourite Crispin). Pretty disappointed about Heath.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST

    BRILLIANT!

    by zikade zarathos

    WOW, great title and GREAT CASTING.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST

    purple

    by BadMrWonka

    actually, I bet they go purple, but in his introduction on screen, he'll be wearing an immaculately tailored dark purple suit, all pimped out. so he can have the color we all associate with the joker, but it won't be too campy...also, I just watched the original Batman tonight coincidentally enough, and the first seen with jack nicholson flipping the card around, and his intro, pre-Joker transformation is a REALLY good scene. very subdued considering the rest of the film...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST

    Funny for a second...

    by FFRewind

    All the Brokeback references were funny for a second. That's the fun of the talkback. But now that we get down to it, it seems likely to me by the casting choice that Nolan may take the Joker in a new direction. We comic fans immediately expect a wildly insane Joker (as he should be). Is anyone else afraid that Nolan's sensibilities will lead to a calmer, more darkly quiet Joker?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Wonka are you a groupie for Harvey Danger?

    by Darth Evil Dead

    Are one of the guys in the band a fag like Lance Bass, and he does not want to come out..to destroy the bands "Fan Base". And your his Brokeback lover fucking him all night long on the road. Thats the only reason I can come up with for you not only bringing them up out of the blue in a Batman talk back, but then defending them. You have to be fucking one of those guys. Your mad that I called Harvey Danger a one hit wonder? Do me a favor.. Run over to "Glide Magazine" and tell them they are fucked up and have no idea what they are talking about..when they labled the Band a one hit wonder. Here's the link http://www.glidemagazine.com/6/columns107.html Now you can go tell your lover and your other band-aids that you faught for there honor you "fag" pole bitch.. I love Brokeback Batman Joke week. This is fun..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3 a.m. CST

    Play the Joker as a straight up cold-blooded killer

    by dastickboy

    I hope Heath doesn't try and do maniacal, I'd much prefer to see the Joker as a painted faced Hannibal Lecter whose mouth has a permanent rictus. Look at some of the scenes that Cillian Murphy did in the first film, when people play Super villians why do they always have to go with the googly eyes? No one talks about Murphy's performance because we've seen it all before. Take it somewhere new Nolan!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:05 a.m. CST

    The Joker Auditions, great T.V.show.

    by hallmitchell

    I would have a show where all of these actors would audition for the Joker. Robin Williams, Paul Bettany, Pee Wee Herman, Dwight Yoakam, Perry Farrell. It would be very interesting.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Such a relief not to read

    by hallmitchell

    Crispin Glover as Joker. Not inspiring enougth. Heath as Joker is inspired casting.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Strike 1. Bale was lame as Batman.

    by Shermdawg

    I&#39;ve never shared my opinion on Begins, can you believe it? Christian was great as a younger Bruce, and the training stuff was excellent, but when he was actually Bats? >_< He tried to take the voice in a different,non-Eastwood direction, but it really backfired on him. I fucking cringed, during that scene where he&#39;s all up in the baddie&#39;s face and he he&#39;s shaking and doing that stupid godforsaken voice. Strike 2. Ledger was a poor choice, when there are so many other people better suited for the role. Yeah I realize Leary would never had got it (too old), but I, along with any person here can name a actor, or a dozen of them in their thirties that would have been better. WEll, at least it&#39;s not Nicholson. Strike 3. BAD FUCKING CHOICE OF TITLE. This implies that one day this series will possible adapt The Dark Knight Returns. (with this cast??? LAME) And even if they don&#39;t do that, it hurts a seperate DKR flick over confusion of the title. The only way I&#39;ll give a shit about this film, is if they redesign that fugly suit, specifically the cowl.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:14 a.m. CST

    Barry Pepper for Joker

    by Bryan

    Whoops, too late. I don&#39;t know, I have a hard time imagining it, but Brokeback Mountain (yes, a GAY movie, with GAY CHARACTERS in it, my god how will we ever talk about anything else again now that gay things have been mentioned? GAY GAY GAY GAY GAY) convinced me that he&#39;s a much better actor than I previously realized. So I&#39;m interested to see what he&#39;ll come up with. As for Harley Quinn, I love the character but I hope they don&#39;t use her. I don&#39;t think she fits into the Batman Begins universe. The first movie worked best when Bruce Wayne wasn&#39;t in costume, they have to introduce those elements slowly, I think.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:17 a.m. CST

    I agree the title should have been...

    by Shermdawg

    Batman: The Killing Joke

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    You know QT would have been a great Joker!

    by Shermdawg

    The catch for his version though, is his skin isn&#39;t bleached, nor is it makeup. It&#39;s booger sugar. :P

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:21 a.m. CST

    I don&#39;t pretend to be an authority, but...

    by FFRewind

    Every beloved genre film should be titled: "We&#39;re posers. Hope you like it."

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:23 a.m. CST

    coulda, shoulda, woulda

    by crazyeyezkillah

    The first film should&#39;ve been a closer adaptation of Miller&#39;s Year One. Sure, it&#39;s a little light on supervillians, but it would&#39;ve been a vast improvement on what we got. Then, this film should&#39;ve been an adaptation of Loeb&#39;s Long Halloween. Then we could get a Killing Joke movie, or maybe an Arkham Asylum movie, or, fuck, a Death In The Family, or whatever the fuck. It could&#39;ve been great.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn

    by Mr. Profit

    Come on, Veronica Mars is perfect for the role.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:27 a.m. CST

    And if Batman must have a new GF... Rachel McAdams....

    by Mr. Profit

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:28 a.m. CST

    Debate what you want..but the movie will Own !!

    by Darth Evil Dead

    How can any of you bitches watch Batman Begins, and then doubt this movie because of the casting and title? Nolan made me a believe. This movie will own everyone...nuff said. Heath Ledger was great in the Lords of Dogstown. I thought he was just a so called "Pretty Boy actor". But Lords of Dogstown threw that notion out the door. He is fucking great in that movie. So I know he will pull off the Joker. The Dark Knight is a great title. I was hoping that instead of Spiderman 2, we would have Amazing Spiderman, Peter Parker, etc. But we the studios thought people were to dumb to realize that it was a sequal. I still hope that the new Hulk movie will be called The Incredible Hulk.. But to call this movie The Dark Knight.. I will give it up to Nolan and the gang. Cant wait!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:29 a.m. CST

    One more thing....

    by Mr. Profit

    I loved Batman Begins. It was a great origin story IMO. I just feel that part 2 HAS to step it up with the action though. We got all the set up out the way. Now give me the action.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Rebeck...

    by friedgold

    They may be played by Brits and Aussies, but at least your American icons are still being played as Americans, with convincing accents to boot (well, Tom Wilkinson excepted). How many times have us Brits had to put up with our home-grown characters being "americanized" to appease you folks over the pond? Constantine? David Brent? Er...Winnie the Pooh?(Oh Christ, I&#39;m sure there are more but it&#39;s early...)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn

    by Animus

    Should be played by Lindy Booth. Kind of a no-namer, but kinda not. Also, they should change the title of the movie to, "A Dark Knight&#39;s Tale".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:37 a.m. CST

    You&#39;ll give what up to Nolan and the gang?

    by milla jovovich

    Your ass virginity?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:40 a.m. CST

    You know who would have been good for Constantine?

    by Shermdawg

    That&#39;s if the character HAD to be americanized? Denis Leary. :P

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:43 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn = the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes.

    by Shermdawg

    That girl is gonna be huge.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:46 a.m. CST

    This is a British film...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...and so hopefully the title will stay and not be Americanised. BATMAN 2: VENGEANCE OF DEATH or whatever. Doesn&#39;t mean the yanks at WB won&#39;t change the title though. And the Joker isn&#39;t meant to be a jokey character that tells jokes - he&#39;s a bloke that laughs manically as he sets children on fire and pisses on them.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:47 a.m. CST

    The look

    by Thurid

    I can really see them going with a "The Crow" look crossed with a toned down version of the cartoon Joker. A deep purple suit, with subtle white makeup, and a slight rinse of green in the hair. Nolan has shown he wants to keep this franchise within the realm of the somewhat possible. A muted, dark, genuinely psychotic Joker is ideal way to go considering the first movie. Also, am I the only one who wants to see James Earl Jones show up somehwere in this franchise? In any role. Wearing... Anything.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:49 a.m. CST

    HI MILLA!!! :P

    by Shermdawg

    Do you have any interest in the Quinn role? I&#39;m sure they&#39;ll cast you in a heartbeat. As proven in the last film, they like to cast chicks that can&#39;t act. ;)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Friedgold...

    by Rebeck

    David Brent has not been Americanized - I believe Steve Carrell has a different name and character to play. Winnie The Pooh...okay you got me there. But listen, there have been plenty of British actors that have done lousy, ridiculously flat nasal American accents. (Although Bob Hoskins&#39; "bad" accent was always a lot of fun to listen to and I wouldn&#39;t change that one) We just don&#39;t get as mad about it as you guys do. We don&#39;t take it so personally. And likewise there have been many Americans who have acquitted themselves quite nicely in British roles - from Meryl Streep (obviously) to Johnny Depp to Renee Zellweger to...uhm, Spinal Tap. Okay it&#39;s very late here. But you get the idea. Let&#39;s face it, there&#39;s a double-standard and you know it. You all can come and plunder our films (and hey, you&#39;re pretty damn good, I&#39;m not saying you&#39;re not) but if we come into YOUR neighborhood, we&#39;re the Ugly Americans forcing ourselves into and stealing your limited film opportunities. It&#39;s kinda&#39;...bullshit. And I say that as a hopeless anglophile.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Scarrenhalfbreed, WTF????

    by Rebeck

    LOL! This is exactly what I&#39;m talking about. In what parallel fucking universe is the next Batman movie a "British Film"?? You have got to be joking. Nolan is British and evidently the entire cast will be, but it&#39;s still funded by a little independent company called Time-Warner right here in America. Same as Harry Potter. The delusions are amazing...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Re: Rebeck&#39;s Unpatriotic Casting...

    by CRanapia

    "God knows if it were the other way a around, an English story made all-American, the Brits would be throwing an enormous transatlantic hissy fit." Um, yeah, the American film industry is so fucking cultural sensitive - of course, when Rob Marshall and Stephen Spielberg cast all the Japanese female leads in Memoirs of a Geisha with "bankable" Chinese actresses the response is "get over it and stop being so politically correct". And I didn&#39;t notice Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin or Elijah Wood turning down the leads in a certain highly profitable fantasy trilogy on grounds of not being of the same ethnic background as J.R.R. Tolkein.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4 a.m. CST

    Scarren

    by friedgold

    Alas, by virtue of the financial backing, it&#39;s an American film, but take away the financing and marketing and it&#39;s probably 80-90% a British production (the vital contribution of Goyer a notable exception). Makes you wish we had some money to make some epic films in this country, don&#39;t it? And your description of the Joker is probably the most succinct and glorious one I have ever heard.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:01 a.m. CST

    why can&#39;t I log in?

    by BendersShinyAss

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:06 a.m. CST

    As I was saying.... Quint you&#39;re mad.

    by BendersShinyAss

    Ledger is inspired casting. Bale was NOT. Neither was that bloated ugly costume. All we need now is a nice lean dark Grey suite with a midnight blue cape and hood. THAT&#39;S the batman I&#39;m awaiting. Looking forward to the third one....&#39;The dunamic Duo&#39;. Anyone care to place some bets?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:06 a.m. CST

    oh good

    by badbrain

    Heath Ledger as the Joker? Ohhhh yeah, I&#39;ve got a good Brokeback Mountain joke about that ... Oh, wait. Shit. Never mind.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:08 a.m. CST

    I Agree The Casting Of...

    by Rebeck

    Memoirs Of A Geisha was a huge mistake - one of many made on that film. Not because it was Un-PC, but because Japanese actors (and a Japanese writer) would have brought so much more richness and authenticity to the table. It also should have been in Japanese with subtitles. No argument there. But that still doesn&#39;t change my point, which I&#39;m right about. You Brits are crazy sensitive about us coming there and taking roles, but the opposite happens time and again here and we don&#39;t blink an eye. Anthony Hopkins played President Nixon for chrissake and no one cared at all! LBJ was played by a Brit I cannot remember his name right now but you know who I mean. Who&#39;s insecure in this equation?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:11 a.m. CST

    Yes Friedgold, By All Means...

    by Rebeck

    Take away the financing and marketing. Annnnnnnnd, if the queen had balls she&#39;d be king.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:13 a.m. CST

    Fuck this film!

    by photoboy

    I&#39;m not gonna see it. Ledger sucks ass.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:14 a.m. CST

    LOTR

    by Rebeck

    "And I didn&#39;t notice Viggo Mortensen, Sean Astin or Elijah Wood turning down the leads in a certain highly profitable fantasy trilogy on grounds of not being of the same ethnic background as J.R.R. Tolkein." And they all did a great fucking job, didn&#39;t they? But...it still bothers you?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Bender, did you forget the 1 min cache&#39;s?

    by Shermdawg

    It&#39;s been awhile since we&#39;ve had a talkback this busy. And one that was this busy, this time of the day. My god, did everyone call up all of their geek friends and tell them to jump in this talkback? lol. I checked this site a few minutes before this story was posted, went to go play a little WoW and a few hours later BOOM, teh bitch had exploded!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Also, Bender, the blue will never, ever happen.

    by Shermdawg

    Maybe a black and grey combo from Dark Knight....no forget that, theres NO WAY Nolan would go with the undies outside the tights look. No fucking way.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by friedgold

    Hey man, I&#39;m not getting snotty about the talent exchange programme we&#39;ve got going on across the pond, just having a playful dig that Batman may be casting lots of Brits, but they&#39;re still playing Americans. I can&#39;t recall a British film that took American characters and locations and made them all Brits in an English town. Although having said that, a Captain America starring Ray Winstone and set in Kent would be priceless. "Shut it Red Skull, or I&#39;ll chuck this fucking shield into your fat fuckin&#39; face!"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    BNITT

    by Seph_J

    Panaka didn&#39;t have one eye, you dick. And the guy who played him, (Hugh Quarshie) is too busy filming episodes of Holby City. And Heath Ledger is not a very good actor really. And I think WB should get rid of Christian Bale, and replace him with Johnny Depp. And I think WB should get rid of Nolan, and replace him with Tim Burton. But nevermind.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    Cashe?

    by BendersShinyAss

    I seriously must be the only person who felt irked and cheated at the end of &#39;Batman Begins&#39;. Hated the costume. Hated the casting. Hated the script. Hated the back story. Hated the soundtrack. Hated the car. Just hated everything about it. And yes, I&#39;m a fan of the original movies, the 60&#39;s tv show and the DARK AS HELL comics and novels. Really think Batman Begins was made by monkeys.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST

    We shall see...

    by VanLingoMungo

    If Nolan plays the Joker as a totally psycopathic nutjob, I can maybe see Ledger. For the record, I give him the benefit of the doubt. Also for the record, people who waste the opportunity to post something constructive by yelling "FIRST!" are kind of an embarassment. Thought you should know.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:25 a.m. CST

    And Rebeck...

    by friedgold

    I love you, man. Sorry about Gordon Ramsey. Then again, you shot Lennon, so I guess we&#39;re even... x

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:27 a.m. CST

    truth be told...

    by Sleeperkid

    Anything&#39;s better than Nicholson. And that&#39;s all I have to say...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:28 a.m. CST

    RE: Cashe?

    by Shermdawg

    "HEAVILY TRAFFICKED TALKBACKS WILL BE CACHED FOR ONE MINUTE" I was assuming when you said you couldn&#39;t log in, you ment you couldn&#39;t see the posts you...uh, posted. I had the same thing happen. It was the "Cashe".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Returns

    by joeypogi

    should&#39;ve been

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:29 a.m. CST

    No, I Get It

    by Rebeck

    And the thing is, British and Australian actors are some of the best in the world. Whatever you guys are doing, you&#39;re doing it right. The Aussies are especially on a roll these days. I just think there IS a double-standard to a degree and it&#39;s stupid. The person who should play a role should be the person who can play it the best. Period. It shouldn&#39;t matter where the hell you come from, just whether you can pull it off. That&#39;s all I&#39;m saying. Oh yeah, and why didn&#39;t they just make Kate Winslet a Brit in "Titanic" instead of a Yank? I love me some Kate, but she sucked in that because she never felt truly comfortable. It goes both ways and every which way.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Heath is a inspired choice

    by alpha

    he&#39;s versatile and can pull of both the non entity pre accident Joker and the post accident psychopath. If they do it right the Joker should be as funny as Cancer. The whole point is the jokes aren&#39;t funny.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:32 a.m. CST

    Love You Too, My Pasty-Faced Cousin

    by Rebeck

    And I&#39;ve already apologized over and over about the John Lennon thing. Oops. Thank god the US has really come down on handguns since then... Nothing like that would ever happen here in Colorado. (cough) And I&#39;m ashamed to say this, but who&#39;s Gordon Ramsey? I&#39;m serious.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:34 a.m. CST

    by Seph_J

    but loose

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:36 a.m. CST

    Darth Evil Whatever...

    by RetroActive

    I knew I knew you from somwewhere! You&#39;re the brilliant mind behind, "All your base are belong to us". It makes perfect sense now. The translations had all been done by a third grader! Keep up the good work, and one day you shall earn a prestigous degree in "Engrish".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:37 a.m. CST

    Don&#39;t go praising the Brits and Aussies too much.

    by Shermdawg

    They have yet to master the southern accent. Example: Cold Mountain. (Of course, nearly all of the accents sucked in that film except Lucas Black&#39;s)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Hmmmm

    by Bruce Leroy

    I don&#39;t know about this...I&#39;m not really happy with Heath Ledger. Hope he&#39;s going to prove me wrong and knock it out of the ballpark with his performance. I want Joker to be scary not a funny buffoon. I really hope Heath is going to pull it off.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Shermdawg

    Gordon Ramsey = Hell&#39;s Kitchen

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:41 a.m. CST

    BendersShinyAss / Debbie Downer

    by RetroActive

    Fan of the 60&#39;s TV Show? You&#39;re opinion is about as credible as B & R&#39;s impression of walking up the side of a building in almost every episode. Seriously though, you hated Begins? I have a hard time believing you&#39;re a fan at all. Just a hater. Well, on that note, an early morning g&#39;night to all.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:42 a.m. CST

    Brody would have been better.

    by Shermdawg

    just six years older than Ledger, so, he&#39;d be young enough for it. He has the right build, but I&#39;m not sure if he has the grin.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Shermy

    by friedgold

    Yeah, we&#39;ve got this weird "Gone with the Wind" gland in our brains that kicks in whenever a Southern accent is demanded of us.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:46 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by RetroActive

    I do agree that Aussies struggle with a Southern accent, but Brits usually do well with it. Perfect example, Braveheart&#39;s Longshanks in "A Time to Kill". Vivien Leigh did a pretty good job in GWtW, too. I think Cold Mountain had more to do with being a bad movie. I mean, Renee Z. & Kidman both had pencil thin, perfectly plucked eyebrows, yet lived in a crappy cabin? Somebody throw some dirt and hair on those ladies to fit the time period, for pete&#39;s sake!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:46 a.m. CST

    "If the queen had balls she&#39;d be king."

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    I don&#39;t know what the point is of this sentence. And is LOTR an American film or a New Zealand one? I say New Zealand cos it was made in New Zealand by a New Zealand crew. Hazzah!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:49 a.m. CST

    A Time to Kill

    by RetroActive

    Of course, the best accent in that movie was Samuel L.&#39;s. "YES, they deserved to die and I hope they BURN IN HELL!!!!" Man, that movie blew.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Who is the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes?

    by UltimaRex

    Damn, I&#39;m curious. (no, not THAT kind of curious before you lot start)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5 a.m. CST

    If the queen had balls she&#39;s be...

    by friedgold

    ...the single greatest tabloid story of the 21st century. That&#39;d take the pressure off Bush and Blair for a while. Just in case it happens, here&#39;s your headline: "Her Nadgersty" Thank you. (Do you ever call them nadgers in the US?)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:02 a.m. CST

    On topic...

    by UltimaRex

    Title good, Ledger... wait and see, Chris Nolan on the script? HELL YES!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:02 a.m. CST

    what kills me...

    by El Borak

    about tommy lee as 2-face and carrey as riddler is how kick ass that casting was and how great it could have worked. ....sigh.... also, UMA as poison ivy! HOT! but those movies JUST HAD TO SUCK DONKEY BALLS DIDN&#39;T THEY!!!! dammit....

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Brokeback Batman (& Robin)

    by PietjePuk

    I&#39;m probably not the first to mention Brokeback Batman (too many talkbacks to read them all) but here is a link: http://tinyurl.com/r9rpl

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:06 a.m. CST

    also...

    by El Borak

    brittany murphy as harly quinn is EXCELLENT! she&#39;s mad hot, but you know she&#39;s a crazy bitch.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:08 a.m. CST

    A clue to how Ledger&#39;s Joker will be..

    by Burning_Tyger

    Everyone is saying they cant picture a Heath Ledger Joker. Actually, I think his Jacob Grimm in last year&#39;s The Brothers Grimm is a good clue. I didn&#39;t care for that movie, but Heath&#39;s character definately exuded quirkiness. I know quirkiness is not the outright psychopathia we need from the Clown Prince, but I think it gives you an idea of what may come. I personally think Heath is gonna shock everyone with how good his Joker will be.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:12 a.m. CST

    it is good to see Goyer

    by emeraldboy

    sticking to his guns. In 1989 he vowed, that if he was ever in charge of a batman movie he would not kill of the joker. Some time ago I contacted Garth Franklin about the then very early news that joker was coming and i asked how this was possible. And he gave some information from a source of his in Hollywood, who said the following. I cannot guarantee this is going to happen: Story goes something like this. We Meet the new happily married Mr and Mrs Bruce Wayne. But you will remember that Jonathan Krane let out all insane people out of the Ayslum. One of those was the joker. The joker swears revenge on Bruce Wayne. The joker Kills Rachel Dawson. Therefore robbing Bruce Wayne of his past, present and future. By day Wayne goes the legal route and uses some of his vast fortune track down the joker, another rumour is this leads us to the introduction of Harvey Dent who wil later become Harvey two face, who is acing as The JOkers attorney and wayne, uses him to put the joker on trial for Murder. i could be wrong and way off the mark but you never know.........

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:13 a.m. CST

    RE: Who is the Cingular/24 chick w/the eyes?

    by Shermdawg

    Angela Sarafyan, who played the 14yr old sex slave (she&#39;s gotta be older) in season five of 24, and is currently in the Cingular wireless ads. Something I noticed in the IMDB filmography of hers though, is that it listed her as the sexslave chick, AND Sean Astin&#39;s druggie sister. That&#39;s gotta be wrong. Theres NO WAY that was the same chick.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:13 a.m. CST

    Shermdawg

    by messi

    wow sherm dawg, you seem to be in the minority, considering most people LOVED begins. You act as your opinion is fact except most people disagree with you. How can you cringe when Batman is interrogating Flass? That was so badass. If you were a criminal and some badass vigilante did that to you and screamed at you like that, you&#39;d shit your pants. How can you know Ledger is a bad choice, for one he is a great actor and that&#39;s big enough to say he&#39;s not a bad choice. The Dark Knight is Batman&#39;s nicknames, one of. it was used before dark knight returns. It&#39;s stupid logic to think one day they will make the dark knight returns because of the title, though i hope they do. How is the suit fugly? Bale looks badass in that suit especially that pic where he is just standing there looking frontways. badass. What would you have preffered? Grey suit that looks ridiculous with black panties? Seriously you are stupid.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:15 a.m. CST

    year one was not that great

    by messi

    "coulda, shoulda, woulda by crazyeyezkillah August 1st, 2006 03:23:18 AM CST The first film should&#39;ve been a closer adaptation of Miller&#39;s Year One. Sure, it&#39;s a little light on supervillians, but it would&#39;ve been a vast improvement on what we got. Then, this film should&#39;ve been an adaptation of Loeb&#39;s Long Halloween. Then we could get a Killing Joke movie, or maybe an Arkham Asylum movie, or, fuck, a Death In The Family, or whatever the fuck. It could&#39;ve been great." - year one wasn&#39;t that good, i read it again after batman begins and what a bland movie that would have been, it&#39;s not profound, pretty pathetic origin. it isn&#39;t epic at all. batman begins on the other hand, was epic. the origin wasn&#39;t underwhelming like year one. become batman because of an omen? and first appearance is stopping some punks stealing a tv? The best thing about year one is the art, which is fantastic.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:16 a.m. CST

    the best way i find to watch Batman and Robin

    by emeraldboy

    Is as a comedy. Arnie is hilarious.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:16 a.m. CST

    bendersshinyass need a shiny new brain

    by messi

    now bendershinyass you are very retarded. that bloated ugly suit was badass. Bale looked like an animal and his build was perfect, if you wanted that dark grey suit with the panties then you should stick to the cartoons, they are good but they&#39;re still for children. Like you. "Cashe? by BendersShinyAss August 1st, 2006 04:21:21 AM CST I seriously must be the only person who felt irked and cheated at the end of &#39;Batman Begins&#39;. Hated the costume. Hated the casting. Hated the script. Hated the back story. Hated the soundtrack. Hated the car. Just hated everything about it. And yes, I&#39;m a fan of the original movies, the 60&#39;s tv show and the DARK AS HELL comics and novels. Really think Batman Begins was made by monkeys." See what happens when retards see something good, they think it&#39;s bad. How can you hate the backstory which was perfect, 100 times better than year one. the soundtrack was amazing, don&#39;t need an overused superhero theme, i need music in that film, and those who know music love the soundtrack, i listen to isis and cult of luna so that already makes me better than you. the car was badass. i have to admit that i didn&#39;t like it when i first saw it, thought it was ridiculous, till i saw it in action, then i wanted one, especially with the song &#39;mollosus&#39; which is inspirational. A true batman piece of music.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:18 a.m. CST

    You ever wonder...

    by MattCG

    when geeks are going to come full circle and just admit they were wrong so many times before and trust in the knowledge that when the movie is released, it will either suck or clow and none of their stupid ass rambling (mine included) has anything to do with....well, ANYTHING? I await that day that Christians await the return of Christ: Eagerly, but pretty sure it&#39;s not happening in my lifetime.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Hey, we&#39;d be even more pissed if it was Ryan Reynolds..

    by DOGSOUP

    ...am I right? The key word in that casting choice was "fearless". They&#39;ll let Goyer go darker than we&#39;ve ever seen before and Heath is going to be Sick. Someone who&#39;s willing to face his best role is in a gay romance for the rest of his career isn&#39;t afraid to play the Joker as disgustingly evil. This will be good....

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:26 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by messi

    hmm what you wrote sounds similar to stuff i&#39;ve heard, not the mr and mrs bruce wayne. I don&#39;t think that would happen. but the one that makes no sense is joker swearing revenge on bruce wayne. why? i&#39;m not sure if the joker would want revenge on bruce wayne for letting the joker out even though it was batman. and the fact he let him out, didn&#39;t exactly do anything to him, yes i know the joker is crazy and thinks like a psycho but he&#39;s fascinated by batman. he wouldn&#39;t know bruce wayne had any involvement.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:33 a.m. CST

    wow messi is quite the flamer this morning. Ain&#39;t he?

    by Shermdawg

    a. There are quite a large group of AICN&#39;s that aren&#39;t Batman Begins fans. Where&#39;ve you been? And furthermore, I don&#39;t hate the film, I just think there are some really awkward/lame things about it, i.e.: Bale sounding like he was constipated.... And Ledger is a bad choice when you consider all of the other people that were better for the role. The reason he was picked was for HIS career, NOT for the property. Imagine, just imagine, a comic book film casted properly, instead of who&#39;s the "hot" guy at the moment.... By using Dark Knight in the title, is totally different than calling him that in the film.... "How is the suit fugly?" CAN&#39;T YOU READ??? I SAID IT WAS THE COWL!!! Jesus. I assume you are new around here, but going around calling people stupid, and retarded, because they don&#39;t share the same opinion as you is nothing more than flaming son. I&#39;m sorry if my definition of "badass" isn&#39;t the same as yours.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:34 a.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by Drworm2002

    Bats will not be married...almost as bad as Supes having a kid

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:35 a.m. CST

    I guarantee you...

    by zacdilone

    ...that by the time this film comes out, the idiots at the studio will have insisted the word "Batman" be in the title. I would bet anything the title in theaters will be "Batman: The Dark Knight." Mark my words.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:36 a.m. CST

    Ironic., a guy with absolutely no sense of humour...

    by LeiaDown&FuckHer

    ...in real life gets cast to play the ultimate in delightfully psychopathic clowns. I really, Really, REALLY hope and pray that he doesn&#39;t fuck this one up, as The Joker truly is my favourite character of all time. After all Nolan also cast Katie (talent vacuum) Holmes as well, so his eye isn&#39;t exactly spotless as far as casting goes, just usually pretty damn reliable. Hopefully it&#39;s reliable here too, and Ledger can pull of just the right balance of the darkly psychopathic and the whimsical jokester, and be able to turn between the two on a dime. Honestly I can&#39;t see Ledger pulling it off from a performance point of view (I can see him getting the Joker &#39;look&#39; right from aphysical point of view however), especially as the vast majority of his performances, even the passable ones, have been almost entirely lacking in true onscreen charisma and magnetic personality, two things that are key to pulling off a great Joker. I seriously hope that Nolan sees something I don&#39;t, and that this isn&#39;t just a case of "big name" casting, I guess we&#39;ll just have to wait and see. Right now I remain utterly unconvinced, but ever so mildly hopeful.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Just out of curiosity

    by Lost Prophet

    what is happening with the Scarecrow? are they just forgetting him?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:44 a.m. CST

    "the cartoons, they&#39;re good but they&#39;re for children"

    by Shermdawg

    Really? Hmm, aren&#39;t the cartoons typically more faithful to the comics that spawned them, than the live action films? So what you&#39;re saying is the comics are good, but FOR CHILDREN also? Right? lol.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:45 a.m. CST

    FUCK!

    by acebandage

    Well, that news just ruined my day! I LOVED Batman Begins! I thought they did an amazing job! I thought the casting (Katie Holmes aside) was incredible! But now they&#39;ve gone and fucked the series in the ass! Way to go!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Jenny McCarthy as Harley Quinn !

    by darthbinks1220

    Anyone seen Dirty Love? She&#39;s like the Lucille Ball of the new millenium.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:51 a.m. CST

    I like the idea of Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn, too.

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Her star is rising, and her feature debut, Pulse, looks pretty good. Bell looks, sounds and is age appropriate for the role. In another TB, it was suggested that Scarlet Johansson should be cast in a surprise cameo in one pivotal flashback scene as the Pre-Joker&#39;s pregnant, doomed wife. I think that she would be perfect in that role, since she has a luminous quality about her that could translate well in that bittersweet scene between her and Ledger as her failure of a husband, but whom she still loves.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:53 a.m. CST

    Even more kick-ass: Thora Birch as Wayne&#39;s new g/f

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    Maybe she could even be Talia.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:01 a.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Shermdawg

    What&#39;s to think about? ;)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Regarding a Superman Returns sequel...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I wouldn&#39;t be surprised if WB decides to drop Singer and go with another director. I could also see them keeping Routh but dropping Bosworth.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:11 a.m. CST

    *cough*MELTING OWL & UNSOCIABLE HAMMER*cough*

    by Shermdawg

    You know they&#39;re considering it, especially if the sequel doesn&#39;t...er, fly.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:21 a.m. CST

    While Kristen Bell would make a nice Harley...

    by DOGSOUP

    ...I don&#39;t want to see her until the 3rd or 4th movie. Assuming of course they don&#39;t kill the Joker off like Tim Burton did.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker

    by darthbinks1220

    You read my mind about Singer&#39;s Supes flick. At ComicCon he spoke about &#39;Wrath of Khan-ing&#39; a sequel. If somehow greenlit, I&#39;d tell him to ditch the art decco sets, film noir sfumato lighting, Godzilla &#39;98 cinematography, and the evil Superman III costume- for starters. Also, a plot with some relevance would be nice. Kevin Smith&#39;s "Death of ..." adaptation will probably be used. Singer&#39;s dismal failure both artistically, and box office wise make Nolan&#39;s Begins look like Casablanca on a micro-budget. I mean, come on, 260 million dollars spent on a Superman film? This is not Ben-Hur or The Fall of the Roman Empire. Even Waterworld and Craptanic are restrained fiscally by comparison.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:25 a.m. CST

    No sir, I don&#39;t like it...

    by indiebum

    But I&#39;ll give it a chance, because Batman Begins was one of the BEST cinematic masterpieces of the new millenium.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:28 a.m. CST

    Whiny Net Bitches

    by paulkirk

    I may not see Ledger as Joker either, but Nolan has proven that he has a vision of Batman and he damn well proved it the first time out. Trust Nolan and shut the fuck up. Start filming something, anything. Give me a trailer of the screen tests.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:29 a.m. CST

    Let me put my Order in Now.

    by Evil Chicken

    I can

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:35 a.m. CST

    Please let Batman actually use his detective skills

    by Kizeesh

    It was missing from Batman Begins, but Batman is supposed to be the worlds greatest detective as well as a thug-pounder. Also Heath will make a fantastic joker as long as they can make the story good enough.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:36 a.m. CST

    THE FACTS!

    by connor187

    Right then lets get a few things straight, the movie will be called Batman Dark Knight, not The Dark Knight, the Joker will were a mask and be a crazy fucking serial killer who leaves his calling card at every crime scene...listen to what Gorden says at the end of Begins, he talks about wearing masks and escilation. It will be upon his defeat at the end of the movie that he falls into chemicals, but he will survive and look disfigured and be in Batman 3...call it a hunch.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:37 a.m. CST

    Re; LOTR

    by CRanapia

    No, it doesn&#39;t worry me at all - plenty of Kiwi talent in front of behind the cameras without getting pissy about the ethnic correctness of the casting. I&#39;d rather see a director cast the best actors for the role - and I just couldn&#39;t get my patriotic wing-nut gland pumping about that Welsh-born naturalised American git Anthony Hopkins being cast as Kiwi icon Bert Munro in &#39;The World&#39;s Fastest Indian&#39; either. Sorry. And I really think you better learn the difference between the British people and the British tabloids, who are every bit as retarded and petty as the American variety. I didn&#39;t notice outraged Brits boycotting the LoTR trilogy. Just as the only people who got their knickers in a wad about Gilian Anderson&#39;s well-deserved best actress BAFTA nomination this year for Bleak House was some moron in The Sun. Shame she missed out, but perhaps she&#39;ll snag the Emmy for best actress in a mini-series.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:41 a.m. CST

    And as for Superman

    by paulkirk

    It wasn&#39;t a failure. And it certainly wasn&#39;t a dismal failure. It didn&#39;t meet expectations, but critically it fared well, the people I know (geeks and non-geeks)as well as the people in the theater enjoyed it, and it has made its money back with international box office. Cultural momentum was with Pirates and I think alot of fans didn&#39;t go for a second viewing. So while it&#39;s true that the movie isn&#39;t a success on the level that WB wanted, it isn&#39;t Poseiden. If you don&#39;t like the movie, then fine, but at least be realistic in your assessment of its performance.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:41 a.m. CST

    Love the title

    by Zorak5

    I&#39;ve grown accustomed to the idea of Heath as Joker now. Nolan obviously seems excited about it, so it must be the right casting decision. And I know Harley&#39;s probably not in the film, but isn&#39;t it funny how Heath&#39;s wife Michelle Williams actually has the right face/body type for Harley Quinn?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Here&#39;s what I didn&#39;t like...

    by Shermdawg

    Off the top of my head... Bale&#39;s voice as Bats. The cowl: the ears are just horribly wrong they curve inward way to much. I&#39;m a artist, well, was a artist, and when it comes to something like this, it&#39;s more than just "pissy fanboy bitching". I hated Katie, waay too young for the role, plus she&#39;s not that great period. I thought the whole gas scenario was a bit tired also. I mean, when will comic flicks stop using earthquakes/laughing gas/riddler doohicky/frost machine/mutant recombobulator/cerebro brain scrambler/manmade sun/and krytocontinents as the basis of the conflict between the superheroes and villians? Sure it fits Scarecrow, but I hope that is this last we see of this type of plot device for awhile. Make it more personal. And last but not least, I&#39;m one of the many people who thought the action scenes, especially the train fight was done piss poorly. Other than that, yeah, it was good. :P

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:50 a.m. CST

    Re; I like the idea of Kristen Bell as Harley Quinn, to

    by CRanapia

    Well, her Emmy snub is reason #899,701 why they&#39;re a fucking joke. But I must admit that &#39;Pulse&#39; isn&#39;t exactly getting my geek-senses tingling - especially when I saw the original on Sunday then looked over the media on the re-make website. (Reason #1,000,001 why Harvery Weinstein should be shot - buying up the remake rights to Kiyoshi Kurosawa&#39;s superb film, then refusing to release it.) I like Bell, but she really deserves better than something that&#39;s looking like another pimped out, dumbed down J-Horror travesty because we all know American audiences are sooo fucking stupid they need every plot point spelled out in flashing neon, and nice loud sound effects so you know when to be scared. Really, studio plants, please tell you evil overlords to stick to making moronic, pointless remakes of your own great horror movies and leave the rest of the world alone.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:53 a.m. CST

    This is no fun without moviemack

    by Lost Prophet

    and his insane hatred. Maybe he will go and get another ID and return with his usual bile. Also I finally saw SR last week and it was without a shadow of a doubt the worst film I have seen in a hell of a long time, it made BEGINS look like citizen kane, and I was pretty "meh" about begins. Howver, I trust Nolan- so this casting doesn&#39;t worry me. Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn&#39;t he the first to cast RObin Williams as a serial killer, and no-one would have thought of that, so maybe casting Ledger as the joker is equally inspired.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:58 a.m. CST

    "Why do they keep using Joker???"

    by Shermdawg

    Out of the seven Batfilms, he was only in 3 of them. And really only one of those counts. And that in that one, it was just Jack in makeup. This is a reboot my friend. Are you gonna ask "Why do they keep using The Penguin/The Riddler/Two Face/etc.?" in future talkbacks?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:01 a.m. CST

    WELL....

    by Nairb The Movie

    At least this will free Crispin Glover up to do a billion other things.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:02 a.m. CST

    "Other than that, yeah, it was good. :P"

    by Shermdawg

    I actually meant that. (My private sarcasm jet is still in the hanger.) Like I said before, I dug the training stuff. I also really liked Caine, and Freeman. But come on, IT&#39;S CAINE AND FREEMAN!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:05 a.m. CST

    Liked "Begins" enough to go out on a limb . ..

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . and trust Nolan w/ this casting. I was hating the rumor but now that its official, I&#39;m just crossing my fingers. What about the Joker&#39;s smile? Do you think they will have a permanent one plastered on him like Nicholson&#39;s? Will they add some Mummy/Van Helsing CGI every time Ledger smiles? Or will they not do anything with an exagerated smile and just do the makeup & hair? And does everyone want Harley Quinn THAT much? The Joker alone, in Nolan&#39;s Gotham, will stand out. I think H.Quinn is too much.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:06 a.m. CST

    You Can Be Sure...

    by Rebeck

    I&#39;m not referring to British tabloids, which are, from everything I&#39;ve heard, much worse than their American counterpart. No, I&#39;m going off comments I see on these talkbacks all the time. There&#39;s always some Brit with his panties in a twist about the terrible "Americanizing" of something or other. As if the very term "American" is a dirty word. (And BTW, I&#39;m a diehard Democrat and Bush Hater, so don&#39;t go down that road) And if our pop culture is such COMPLETE SHIT why does it travel all around the world? It just gets old. There is a snobbery in a lot of Brits and what&#39;s even more maddening is that often you assume we Yanks agree and bow to your overwhelming cultural superiority. Again... Gets old. As for Hopkins as a Kiwi: I don&#39;t know why you would call a great actor like Hopkins a "git", but the movie sure did suck. Hands across the water, buddy - we&#39;re agreed on that.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Dark Knight IS NOT a great title...

    by future help

    because this is not the Frank Miller Batman movie that we all wanted 20 years ago. So fuck you all that support that title. Just call it "Batman, the movie franchise continues"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Wait a second, hold the phone....

    by I Dunno

    Some asshole said that Scarlett Johanson has &#39;A&#39; cups?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:13 a.m. CST

    I Know, I Dunno

    by Rebeck

    I still can&#39;t get over that either. LOL.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Attempting to prove I can do this/my Batman screenplay

    by JDanielP

    In response to talkbackers, I have been attmepting to get off my ass and do something. But mainly, it has been to prove something to myself and to get that first screenplay under my belt. And in order to help in the process, I chose to write something that would be both a passion and a dream project: The sequel to "BATMAN BEGINS". And I realize that such a screenplay would have approximately 0.0 chance of seeing the light of day. But hey, that makes sense, given the subject. (heh,heh) Batman is quite the nocturnal character, you know. ...But for what it&#39;s worth, I&#39;d like to say a few things about this dream project. If nothing else, maybe I can get a virtual "pat on the back" from my fellow talkbackers for the simple fact that I&#39;ve been trying. I&#39;m not an old guy, ...but I&#39;m not a young one, either. I&#39;m at an age where I feel silly for still having dreams of success in the entertainment world. But hey, it&#39;s fun. And I guess, in the end, that&#39;s all that really matters. ...Now, to get to the meat of this posting, ...I&#39;d like to say, first off, that I approach such (as this) with some reality in mind. When I had read, all those years ago, that there was some consideration by Warner Bros. to bring back Jack as the Joker... for a sequel to "BATMAN", ...and I was reading about all the goody ideas of how they would do that, using black magic, etc... well, I went about trying to contact the right people, attempting to... well, ...I tried to share my ideas on how best to do that. And I&#39;m still convinced those ideas would have worked. And if they ever wanted to go back in time and make that sequel, they could still do it within a video game, with actual voices (and/or likenesses). I really believe I had something. I practically had the entire Batman flick in my head. But who am I, right? So, in cutting to today, here I sit at my computer and posting in the talkbacks at aintitcool. And despite the sometimes vicious nature of at least some talkbackers, ...and I&#39;ve been just as guilty as anyone, ...I&#39;m going to say a piece about what I have in mind for the sequel to "BATMAN BEGINS". Now, I haven&#39;t finished the screenplay. At this point, I&#39;m not sure I will. But if the heavens opened up and Warner Bros. and/or Nolan wanted to know what I&#39;ve got, I&#39;d send all my notes. I would prepare a package. And heck, ...if that was the case, ...I might even finish the thing. So, I&#39;ll say my piece. ...So, in considering reality, I had to consider the news (which I&#39;ve read) that Katie Holmes would NOT be returning as Rachel Dawes. That&#39;s a major thing, in my eyes. And, from my perspective, it&#39;s better to not replace the actress under the same character. So, it was then that I discovered my plotline. Rachel Dawes is dead... and the mystery is "who" killed her. And that would be Bruce&#39;s personal objective throughout the entire story, his #1 priority, ...to find her killer and bring him/her to justice. So, I knew that much. And I knew that the Joker would be the main villain. And everything else grew out of that. And it has been quite a ride. I&#39;ve learned so much... while I&#39;ve lots left to learn. So, ...I had to make many decissions. I&#39;m a HUGE fan of Batman and I&#39;m quite aware of the character&#39;s history. And there was some personal debate about which characters to include and which characters not to. Oh, ...while I&#39;m thinking of it, there have been a couple of coincidences along the way. Some talkbackers may accuse me of not being truthful but... I had decided to involve the classic character Rupert Thorne, with the intention of there being political ramifications. After all, it has become public knowledge that Batman is working with the Gotham City Police Department. And it was an obvious choice to involve Harvey Dent. But it was only a small shock (to me) when I read of news that the sequel might be headed in such a direction, coincidental as it was. Now, you want to know the title? "BATMAN: DROWNING IN LAUGHTER" ...At the beginning, Rachel&#39;s body is pulled from the Gotham River. (Real life calls. I need to split this up. -- To be continued...)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:17 a.m. CST

    How about no Harley Quinn... AT ALL?

    by TheWoodMan

    If you geeks are so desperate to see an actress in a skin-tight costume, I&#39;m sure you can find plenty of that on the notorious Internet (you can see &#39;em BUCK NEKKID, in fact, if that&#39;s your thing). Harley Quinn is a fairly useless character that they made up in the 90s to defuse the perception of homoerotic tension between the Joker & Batman (bear in mind that the cartoon was intended for a grade-school age audience). Her presence reduces the Joker, who should be terrifying, to a silly, frivolous clown. DC made the mistake of listening to the fanboys & bringing her into the "official" DC Universe(s)... hopefully Nolan will be smart enough to avoid their mistake...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:25 a.m. CST

    GLOVER WAS NOT THE &#39;OBVIOUS&#39; CHOICE...

    by Frijole

    He was the lazy fanboy choice because he&#39;s thin and fucking crazy. The problem with Glover is that 1) He REALLY IS insane and 2) He is a "performer" more than an actual actor... He would have been a huge hassle to work with and I picture some sort of Brando-ish "What if the Joker is really a bagel shaped suitcase?" nutty crap going on, had he been cast. Adrien Brody was far more up to the task and equally on the money physically. I was excited by the prospect of Bettany, but I agree that the Joker will work best if played against type. I&#39;m not totally sold on Ledger as the Joker yet, but I have faith. Hell, I like the guy... So we&#39;ll just see.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Messi, The Batman Begins Talkback police officer

    by BendersShinyAss

    Well, Messi... you don&#39;t need to rewrite my whole post like that to respond to it. I know what I wrote. And no body cares to read it all again. Just pick out points. or something. I know I&#39;m in the minority here on Aint it cool by not being a TRUE FAN of where Batman was taken by one Chris Nolan. But it doesn&#39;t how many different ways you can call me retarded. I&#39;m a film goer. I happen to really like superhero and big fantasy films. thus my opinion is perfectly valid. I&#39;m no hater. The only things I truely hate are the running time of King Kong. The choice of actor to play Superman (& Perry white). And the rediculous Last outing of Batman in his rediculous Batman Begins. Why do I hate? Well, I just think the story was weak. I think Bale FUCKING SUCKS as both Bruce Wayne AND Batman - The guy has zero charisma. (Sorry Bale, play more bad guy roles) And I don&#39;t think Nolan knew quite what he wanted to do with the film. Seems to me he was so anti Batman & Robin (who isnt) that he made a film the absolute polar opposite. Thats not a good thing. It&#39;s the same kind of bad but on the opposite end of the scale. Batman Begins was the most self indulgent, humourless, piece of shit I have seen since the washed out episodes of highlander... or any straight to video thriller to crap for the big screen. The film sucks. thats all there is to my oppinion. You canw atch it all day everyday. I&#39;ve seen it once on the big screen (I was at the Australia Premiere. Yah me!) and I even attempted to watch it on DVD. The film just doesn&#39;t speak to me! It&#39;s all in it&#39;s own little world and I can&#39;t say I feel anyone involved truely knew what sort of film they were making. Here&#39;s hopeing "The dark knight&#39; be a little more solid in the film&#39;s edge. But... well, Something tells me it&#39;ll just be a whole heap of scenes strung together. You know, by the numbers. Sorry, Batman Begins (To me) was a grand failure. But lets speak about the suite that you think is just panties and poo. ***** http://tinyurl.com/kv8pp ***** ttp://tinyurl.com/k9ckg ***** And lets talk about the car ***** http://tinyurl.com/lyxym ***** Hey, it&#39;s not my definative choice... but it&#39;s by far a better look. And then there&#39;s the love interest... I mean.... here, this is what Batman truely needs!! ***** http://tinyurl.com/r7ayy **** Now stop arguing with me. You&#39;re all wrong. Ok! cool!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:29 a.m. CST

    Some other thoughts...

    by Frijole

    I had kinda hoped that they would have saved Joker for the third movie. Sure they teased us at the end of Begins and sure he could have been a presence in Gotham in 2, but I would have rather seen him peripherally... on the sidelines... a mysterious, growing threat. And then in the third movie WHAMMO! It&#39;s just that the Joker is the A-1, no doubt about it numero uno nemesis for Batman... and it seems foolish to blow the load with him too soon. But whatever. As for the detective angle. Wouldn&#39;t it be great if they allowed Andrew Kevin Walker to come in and craft a murder mystery to base a Nolan/ Goyer script around. Hell, with a few changes Seven and 8mm (good script, bad movie)would have made great Batman stories...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:33 a.m. CST

    THE DARK KNIGHT&#39;s second villain will be...

    by JohnGalt06

    The Penguin, at least according to www.batman-on-film.com, which is a pretty reliable source for Batman news. They also claim that Nolan has offered the role to Phillip Seymour Hoffman (great choice), who hasn&#39;t accepted it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Smermdawg - Re: Action

    by CRanapia

    I agree with you about the action scenes, and I&#39;ve read interviews with Nolan where he admits the big action set pieces aren&#39;t his strong point. Then again, I&#39;d really to ban most music video directors from making features. There&#39;s more to a good fight sequence than using pyrotechnics and seizure-inducing crash cuts to fake energy. Nolan&#39;s hardly a brilliant fight director, but he&#39;s hardly the worse out there - and I&#39;m pretty confident he can improve.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:35 a.m. CST

    But What About Gary Oldman and Michael Caine?

    by filker-tom

    They rocked so hard as James Gordon and Alfred that I don&#39;t think the movie would be anywhere near as good without them. Re: Harley Quinn, if this is the origin of the Joker, then they shouldn&#39;t have her... except, maybe as Harleen Quinzel in a scene near the end. Just my .02 on the matter.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Quick n&#39; dirty photoshop

    by sevon42

    http://tinyurl.com/p8vsh

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by connor187

    I have just realised that you have no idea what your talking about. We English dont look down our noses at you Yanks but lets face it without the Brittish cast and crew these movies would not be great, I don&#39;t know what it is but we seem to be alot more realistic in our approach to film. I remember reading about Spielberg showing an interest in Harry Potter but he wanted Harry to be American, thats the kind of bullshit which rubs us up the wrong way, take U571 for example that shit really fucking pissed me off. How can you take a piece of history about how us Brits captured the Nazi Enigma machine and turn it into a heroic Americanised piece of shit, its not the movie that pisses me off because it was shit, but the young American kid who will watch it and think it really was you lot who were the heros, no it wasn&#39;t it was us and he should know that, its a form of propaganda bullshit that brain washes Americans into thinking you are masters of the universe when lets face it your not we had the biggest Empire the world has ever seen and look what happend to that...but I still love you guys, you are like our big little brother and I would be proud to stand along side you in these dark times.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:43 a.m. CST

    All of the actors in BATMAN BEGINS...

    by JohnGalt06

    had to sign contracts which surely required them to appear in at least one and probably two sequels. So I have no doubt that Michael Caine (who has said in an interview he is returning), Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Katie Holmes, Cillian Murphy and Tom Wilkinson (if they need him) will all be back. I hope they find a way to bring Earl back into the story, because Rutger Hauer was great.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:45 a.m. CST

    &#39;Dark Knight&#39; Couldn&#39;t be a better title

    by kafka07

    Yes I am such a comic book geek to be happy about this but it really made my day. It&#39;s gratifying when after years of being let down, as far as comic book movies, things go your way. The Dark Knight is very much indeed a welcome title. Thank you Chris Nolan. As for the casting of Ledger, it&#39;s odd but I&#39;m ok with it. I think it will grow on us (hek, it&#39;ll be two years before we even see this movie). The guy&#39;s a fine actor and he does sort of have some strange looks and intensity to him that could work as the Joker. Besides it gives us something to talk about, like when Keaton was casted for Burton&#39;s Batman. I think it will work.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:50 a.m. CST

    This is the Joker I&#39;m hopeing for

    by BendersShinyAss

    http://img.search.com/5/53/300px-Jokerkillingjoke.png

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I&#39;ve seen Heath Ledger in only three movies.

    by rev_skarekroe

    But he&#39;s been a completely different character in each movie. >I< wouldn&#39;t have cast him as the Joker, but the guy can act. I&#39;m willing to see him give it a try.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:53 a.m. CST

    Eat My Buttered Ass

    by WolfmanNards

    Fuck all of you guys who are like "no, wait a minute, this is a good idea". I can&#39;t really put into words exactly how dip-shitty you&#39;re being, but you ARE being lame.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Is it wrong that...

    by Shermdawg

    after connor187 said he was English, my mind read his talkback in the Geico Gecko voice? I just saw one of those ads a few minutes ago, that&#39;s probably why. :P

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:59 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by CRanapia

    With all due respect, I&#39;m not the one displaying a massive case of cultural cringe. I just can&#39;t be bothered getting that uptight about a Welshman playing Batman or a New Zealander, or Gillian Anderson as a Victorian aristocrat, or the first time Lucy Lawless ever uses her native accent on screen is when playing a genocidal android on Battlestar Galactica. I&#39;m a little more interested in the quality of the work - and while you may bitterly resent all the non-Americans in the cast of BB, you&#39;re really being absurdly one-eyed if you think Bale, Neeson, Oldman etc. were cast simply because Nolan&#39;s got some neurotic Anglophiliac snobbery going on.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:59 a.m. CST

    The new one is kiwi?

    by Shermdawg

    The original one was, but the new gecko sounds english. Remember they&#39;ve revamped him.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Kiwi Gecko? No way

    by JohnGalt06

    That gecko has a cockney accent. Period.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Actually, CRanapia, Gillian is the real deal.

    by Shermdawg

    She was born in Chicago to Edward and Rosemary Anderson, who were both of English and Irish descent. Soon after her birth her family moved to Puerto Rico for fifteen months and then to Crouch End in London. When she was eleven, her family moved again, this time to Grand Rapids, Michigan, where she attended Fountain Elementary and then City Middle/High School, a program for gifted students with a strong emphasis on the humanities; she graduated in 1986. With her English accent and background, she felt out of place in the American Midwest, and developed a reputation as a strong-willed and rebellious teenager. Anderson, mocked because of her British accent, soon developed a Midwest dialect.-wikipedia

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST

    In the Words of Jack, the REAL Joker:

    by SamuelLappDance

    "This town needs an enema!" And Heath&#39;s Poker, er, Joker is just the man to give it one ... with a smile. I LOVE BROKEBACK BATMAN JOKES!!! And the Dark Knight is great title for the fanboys, which means the movie is likely doomed to failure at the box office. Ah well. At least Bale will be back. Hope Nolan learns how to shoot action sequences.

  • ... because they thought the movie-going public wouldn&#39;t realise it was the sequel? For the love of fuck sake. At that point I thought I&#39;d heard it all when Harry Potter & The Philosopher&#39;s Stone was changed to &#39;Sorcerer&#39;s Stone&#39; in the US, so as not to confuse the American audience. Good to see WB actually giving the ticket buyers some credit. Unless of course, they subtitle it &#39;Bat-man Begins 2&#39;.... Not convinced on Ledger&#39;s casting, but Nolan&#39;s done okay so far. Actually, kind of a shame The Dark Knight wasn&#39;t the title for Begins. But then, heh, how would people know what the film was about? Common sense? A what now?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:14 a.m. CST

    What has Cillian Murphy wrought?

    by Anna Valerious

    Are they going to try to have a pretty bad guy (And I mean pretty as bish

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger as Joker

    by Johnny Ahab

    Okay, you get a flier, Nolan -- I liked "BB" so much, I guess I&#39;ll trust you on this. I sure as hell hope you read the guy for the role and saw a glimmer of what he can do, cuz I don&#39;t see this pretty boy as the Joker. Not one little bit, where there were so many other choices out there (after seeing Daniel Day Lewis chew the scenery so entertainly well in "GANGS OF NEW YORK", I woulda liked to have seen him as Joker -- he&#39;s got the physique and that long mug for it. Ah well, just have to wait and see if Ledger can handle it. DON&#39;T FUCK THIS UP, NOLAN.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Lost Prophet

    mate, you are full of shit, and talking complete mince. The only "Americanizing" I can think of off the top of my head that really pissed me off was that appaling bastardisation of U-571. The total elimination of the actual heroes of the story because they weren&#39;t American was appaling. And the film was shit.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:23 a.m. CST

    The Batmobile lost it&#39;s wheel, & The Joker...

    by isispop

    ...took it up the pooper right along with the franchise (which is my only & last predcitable BrokeBack reference). I hope I&#39;m wrong, but I don&#39;t like this casting. I know movie studios have to consider youth & homogenize everything, but besides that...I feel that Heath Ledger is nothin more than a pretty boy/"it guy" w/no real actin chops that can only play Heath Ledger. I hope I&#39;m wrong. I&#39;m not a hater by any means. I&#39;ll usually give somethin a chance & admit when I&#39;m wrong. I even had my doubts about them even bringin this franchise back in the 1st place...but then I thought Nolan, Goyer, Bale, & Co. knocked it out of the park. I have to put my faith in em a little that they know/see somethin I don&#39;t. I&#39;ll go see it though just cause I liked the 1st one so much. Hopin that same realistic treatment will help pull off this Joker too no matter who he is. I do wish it was Crispin no matter what his age. I was not a big fan of the P Bentley idea...but would take it over this. Also in regards to the title...as a batfan I&#39;ve always loved the titles "The Dark Knight" & "The Killing Joke", but it seems like if you go ahead & use Dark Knight as a title now,..then they&#39;re blowin their chance to use both. Assuming they&#39;ll introduce another villian(s) in a 3rd...they wouldn&#39;t be able to use Killing Joke for that one, since it&#39;s exclusive to a Joker story (& I know...Dark Knight was a Joker story too, but the name doesn&#39;t imply it to the mainstream fan/regular movie ticket buyer). Instead you could switch em & use both: The Killing Joke for this Joker story, and The Dark Knight for his triumphant return when he&#39;s all recovered from whatever it took to take down the Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Too soon

    by Badger999

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Nolan just Singered...

    by Harysuxafat1

    himself right into a flop with this one. This was a flavor of the moment choice, nothing else. The first batman was average and this one will be worse. Hopefully the villian won&#39;t be a goddamn microwave though. Fuckin&#39; stupid choice for joker though. I remember when everyone was all over Singers junk before that shitastic Superman the remake came out. No difference...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Some Boinfointpoints of clarity

    by MrBoinfoint

    I&#39;m not going to wade through this mess, so I don&#39;t know if this has already been covered, but...1.) In a previous article where the casting of Lachy Hulme was discussed, there was a link to a conceptual artists&#39; website, where he talked about Nolan&#39;s Joker not being a pancake-makeup-wearing, cacklink "Clown Prince of Crime" but instead a self-mutilated, psychotic killer who cracks horrible tasteless jokes that only he thinks is funny. Intense, disturbed, and batshit crazy with a grin carved into his face. I think Ledger could definitley pull that off. 2.) As it says above, Goyer is not writing the screenplay, Nolan&#39;s brother is. Nolan&#39;s brother also wrote the story and screenplay for Memento and adapted the story for Insomnia. That is probably the best news possible for this production. 3.) They should&#39;ve called the first one Batman: Year One and this one Batman: The Long Halloween. Considering the material they&#39;re adapting. Too bad. Dark Knight is good, and I&#39;m glad they&#39;re getting away from the insipid verbs (Begins teh Beguine or whatever), but I would&#39;ve preferred the actual titles. Or, I&#39;m just hoping eventually they&#39;ll adapt Son of The Demon and the Killing Joke.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Cillian Murphy is pretty?

    by JohnGalt06

    Don&#39;t get me wrong, I love the guy, great actor and all, but he doesn&#39;t strike me as being a heart throb. Those cheekbones just exude creepiness on all 8 cylinders.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Old Joker?

    by w_woody

    For some reason I see Ledger being the joker from the recent re-vamped Batman animated series more then the old-school, Suit wearing, Jack Nicholas one. Personally I&#39;d love to see the Joker as he was orgionally intended, an insane sociopathic clown, who&#39;s spin on humor is sick, twisted, vile and horrid. Although this casting doesn&#39;t give me the warm and fuzzies...perhaps we&#39;ll see.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:37 a.m. CST

    paulkirk & yackbacker

    by darthbinks1220

    Yackbacker: I think you missed the context of Singer&#39;s "Wrath of Khan" statement. Star Trek II is considered along with "IV: The Voyage Home" as the jewel of that sci-fi franchise. In saying that, Bryan was implying he would knock his Superman sequel out of the park, now that the characters were &#39;re-established&#39;, in his words. Paulkirk: Batman Begins had to deal with the fallout of 1997&#39;s pathetic Batman & Robin. Besides, nobody was asking for a fifth bat-flick in fifteen years, re-invented or otherwise. Still, the Nolan superhero staple grossed roughly an adjusted 385 million worldwide. Superman Returns was the follow-up to the immensely popular Superman II of 1980. The pent up demand for the Singer film was far greater than Nolan&#39;s. The studio backing and endorsement tie-in was/is enormous. The casting of Routh was inspired. He is Christopher Reeve reincarnated. The Singer film opened 20% better than Nolan&#39;s. Still, it will wind up grossing 350-355 million worldwide, failing to reach 200 million domestic- a mark Batman Begins eclipsed. The Clark Kent flick had a budget 110 million dollars greater than Mr. Wayne&#39;s movie. Superman Returns was Warner Brother&#39;s 2006 tentpole picture, and they were looking for adjusted "Attack of the Clones" numbers. They got half that. True, not a Poseidon-sized failure, but a failure nonetheless. That&#39;s why a sequel wisely hasn&#39;t yet been greenlit.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:43 a.m. CST

    lights out

    by gfrankenstein

    this is gonna be a great movie . while i kinda like the burton films , "begins" is the only real batman film . ledger will be great. the title could not be any better . nolan proved himself on" begins" i think now we start to see a baman movie that works just as a story . if youre a batman fan this couldnt be better news . the are finally getting it right . as for me im 43 and have been waiting for this since i was 8 years old running around with a towel tied around my neck.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST

    MrBoinfoint

    by Shermdawg

    if that is indeed the direction they are taking with The Joker, then it won&#39;t fly with the fans OR the general public. Also, if they take that route, what&#39;s the point of having Bale in the batsuit? There has to be a fine line to where these films aren&#39;t too campy, but also are not too realistic either.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Julia Stiles?

    by darthbinks1220

    She&#39;s always said she&#39;d like to work with Heath Ledger again after their 1998 pairing in "10 Things I Hate About You". That film put both stars on the map. She ain&#39;t the obvious choice for Harley, but like Heath, she&#39;s got great acting talent. She was funny in "A Guy Thing". I dunno, just a thought.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Harley was always in the Batman mythos

    by Falcon5768

    Sept she was never called Harley Quinn she was called the Jokers Daughter and was Harvey Dents daughter. Later she was called Harlequin in Teen Titans and then eventually Harley Quinn. The Animated series just revived the character and gave her a new backstory and name as well as her obsession with only the jokers (originally she was just obsessed with criminals in general), but she was always there just a little used and little known character.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Are you haters for real????

    by Fish Tank

    Spot-on casting for Insomnia, Spot-on casting for Begins. Ledger could be absolutely fantastic. Same height as Batman, same age, same build if they buff him up. Screw the scarecrow Jokers. A completely psychopathic, sociopathic, brooding, dark Joker that could go toe-to-toe with Batman in a corner who isn&#39;t held back by social conscience. Ledger has some mad eyes, and could do some great brooding. He was exceptional in Ned Kelly, and has a great voice. Think about it for a few days. This could be awesome.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:53 a.m. CST

    IF they include Harley Quin...

    by DanielKurland

    and that&#39;s a big if, since the Joker himself may not be appearing until half way through the film, the perfect actress would be Kristen Bell. Yes, Brittany Murphy may be equally good, but if they want to save money, Kristen Bell would be a great choice, and may even do a better job than Murphy would.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Quit the bitching

    by FordPerfect

    It isn&#39;t going to change anything so lets just hope he rocks out and I look forward to other great casting and I can&#39;t wait for that badass title! The Dark Knight. I wonder what the 3rd one will be. The Dark Knight Returns? or Return of the Dark Knight? Or The Worlds Greatest Detective.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:58 a.m. CST

    I thought Robin was the gay one

    by Domi'sInnerChild

    Not the Joker. I&#39;m so confused.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:59 a.m. CST

    If this was any other director...

    by rbatty024

    I&#39;d be pissed, but I trust Nolan so I&#39;m not worried. Personally I would have preferred someone else because the only movie I thought Heath Ledger was any good in was Brokeback Mountain. Maybe he can have two good roles on his resume.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Photoshop job of Heath Ledger as The Joker

    by BRUTICUS

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/52006161@N00/203877659/

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    Naomi Watts as Harley Quinn

    by fat bears

    If the Joker&#39;s origin takes as long as this talkback seems to think it will then there is plenty of time to establish that there is a new administrator of Arkham, one Dr. Harleen Quinzel. Having her go full on crazy and putting on red and black tights is a terrible idea, but falling love with the Joker and helping him escape are perfectly believable. And between Mulholland Drive and Kong we all know the lady can act and could be just as maniacal, deranged and dangerous as Heath.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Okay, first off...

    by Childe Roland

    ..."casted" is not a word. At least not in english. Second, how in the world do any of you know if Ledger can do this role or not? If you are looking for the second coming of Nicholson (shudder), then you&#39;re going to be disappointed. But if you&#39;re looking for someone who can pull off the before and after of a fragile psyche shattered by circumstance and driven toembrace the absurd, then Ledger&#39;s proven himself already. And for all the Brokeback jokes, I don&#39;t see many folks acknowledging just how appropriate that movie was as preparation for this trole. I mean, at its root Brokeback was about two flawed men engaged in a mutually destructive relationship who lacked the willpower to disengage. Isn&#39;t that the theme of The Killing Joke graphic novel? Relax, guys. Just because you watch a movie with an actor in it who played a gay guy doesn&#39;t make you gay or the movie about the buff guy in black leather who dispenses justice to the naughty any more gay in subtext.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:11 a.m. CST

    I think this is good news.

    by Samuel Steamer

    The guy has the acting chops. He will be great as this part. I look forward to seeing how they will make this Joker look.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Ledger can play it weird and quirky

    by Jackweasel

    Just look at him in &#39;The Brother&#39;s Grimm&#39;. He was all nervous twitches and ticks. Pretty damn entertaining. Not as entertaining as Peter Stormare, but really...who is? Ever? On the other hand, &#39;A Knight&#39;s Tale&#39; was like a mouthful of wino piss. I&#39;m not sold on Ledger as the Joker. I feel like they&#39;re going to go all grim with the character in favor of the Joker&#39;s trademark psychomania.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Naomi Watts as Harley Quinn, good choice, but no.

    by Shermdawg

    Won&#39;t happen. Her and Ledger were once a couple. Doubt they&#39;d work together, especially in roles that would have them sharing a lot of screentime.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Nolan just officially sold out. The agents now own this

    by genro

    This film can now fuck itself.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Thank You, All Brits

    by Rebeck

    For coming out and proving my point for me. I KNEW U571 was going to come up! LOL! It never fails! That&#39;s your answer for everything. Of course none of you really answered my argument, but what&#39;s new? Spielberg didn&#39;t want Harry Potter to BE American, you fucking twit, he just wanted Haley Joel Osment, an American, to play him. It was probably a bad idea, but he didn&#39;t like being told who to cast (being Spielberg and all). That&#39;s exactly what I mean. Harry Potter HAD to be a British actor, but apparently any Brit can play any American role - and does! You guys are such fucking hypocrites. And you CANNOT see it. And do I think Nolan cast his favorite Brits? You bet. They all did a good job, I&#39;m not complaining - well yeah, but Oldman also has a pretty shaky accent, just like Wilkenson, not that you guys would notice - but Nolan&#39;s casting was definitely influenced by his Britishness. Just as Spielberg was inclined to use an American. Get it?? I just realized...you&#39;re all talking out of your arse. Forget I mentioned it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Someone photoshop Ledger as Joker...

    by stlfilmwire

    Please? Post the link when u do.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Casted

    by Lost Prophet

    the word processor on my mac seems to think it is a word. I think you are right and have spent the time since you were posting trying to fit it into a coherent sentence. Every time I try it seems wrong as I am sure the past tense of cast is also cast. About the gay thing- does it fucking matter if some adolescents want to slur the casting by comparing it in a derogatory way to a previous film? I like the idea of a psychotic more realistic joker- and Nolan has a fairly good eye for casting against type. I think the reason Katie Holmes was bad was because he had cast to type, whereas the other more successful decisions had been cast against. So why not give him a chance with this?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:31 a.m. CST

    joker

    by JLo

    How come no one reported on the casting of the young Kirk?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:33 a.m. CST

    B

    by Rebeck

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:34 a.m. CST

    "BATMAN: DROWNING IN LAUGHTER" screenplay (continued)

    by JDanielP

    Sorry about my previous typing mistakes (goofy, not "goody", etc...) but I&#39;m sure there will be more. Anyway, the opening credits would play over AND within the bowels of the Gotham River. As a viewer, you don&#39;t know that, yet. As an artist, I can tell you there are several options, several visually interesting ways to go. (For simplicity, I&#39;ll go with one idea.) Imagine a shot of the full moon. Now imagine the full moon becoming the Bat-signal, as represented in "BATMAN BEGINS". But this white circle is still the actual shot of the full moon, only with the bat image on top. Now imagine the moon becoming a circle of light, thus, the image becoming the offical Bat-signal. Now, just below the "bat" within the image, the title "DROWNING IN LAUGHTER" (Officially, the entire title would be "BATMAN: DROWNING IN LAUGHTER"). Now, imagine the circle of light going soft. The words (the title) begin to rock as if resting on the surface of water. And the words begin to really rock and sway as if a current is building... until the title disappears... and then the bat disappears... until we are left with this soft, circular light... which then becomes the light of a scuba diver, which the camera pulls back to reveal. As the camera continues to pull back, we see there is not one, but two scuba divers. And they shine their lights on a car.. which is angled, nose down. A ghostly image of a woman&#39;s face is pressed against the cracked windshield. Her face explodes with light from each pass of a scuba diver&#39;s beam. ...Now, I love this opening scene. Gordon just arrives at beach-side and we witness the exchange between him and the boat-man (via police radio). Gordon stands outside, leaning on and looking over his passenger side door. Within this police chatter, Gordon wants to know if the body could be Rachel Dawes (obviously, she&#39;s been missing). But without proper identification, the divers can&#39;t say for sure, ...especially when you consider that her face is painted like a clown. They can only give a wide-range age estimate. But they do, however, run the car&#39;s license plate. "Bingo." The car belongs to Rachel Dawes. (Gordon takes a breath, leaning against his radio, forehead against it... before demanding that the car be raised before sun-up.) During this exchange, there is a cell-phone ringing in a familiar tone (similar to the theme-music of Adam West&#39;s Batman t.v. show). Gordon shoots a look to his driver, a young police officer, and then continues on police radio. The cell-phone continues to ring while Gordon is on the radio. Finally, after making police commands, Gordon looks in at the officer and asks, "Aren&#39;t you going to answer that?" The officer responds, "It&#39;s not MY cell-pnone, Sir." GORDON: "You think you&#39;re the only officer who takes calls from the spouse, while on duty? --Answer the phone. I won&#39;t tell." OFFICER: "Sounds like the ringing is comin&#39; from your pocket, Sir." GORDON: "What the devil--??! (pulling up at his trademark coat) --I believe you&#39;re right." The phone continues to ring as Gordon gets to the correct pocket... "This isn&#39;t my phone." The young officer smiles at Gordon... and responds, "I won&#39;t tell." Gordon makes a simple press on a side-button, the "phone" pops open, and the unique ringing stops. It becomes obvious it is anything but an odinary phone. Where you might expect to see a small manufacturing logo, you see a "BAT" image, instead. Small wings open near the top of the device. OFFICER: "Wow, ...nice phone." Gordon speaks into the device, "This is Lieutenant James Gordon, speaking." BATMAN: "If I had known it would take you so long to answer the damn phone, I would&#39;ve added an electric shock feature." Gordon: "The ringer works just fine, thank you very much. But the next time you leave me a present, you might want to let me know." BATMAN: "I&#39;ll keep that in mind." (TIME OUT) Okay, ladies and gents, ...that&#39;s just a taste. Anyone want more? (I got to go, for now.)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Naomi

    by fat bears

    Romantic history notwithstanding, I remain hopeful that if HQ appears she&#39;s at least cast in the mold of a Naomi Watts; rather than Brittany Murphy. After all, we&#39;re talking about a character with a college education here. Projecting intelligence is not one of Ms. Murphy&#39;s strengths.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST

    TERRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by jackinitraw

    No question. They picked for popularity, not for who&#39;d be best.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:36 a.m. CST

    By The Way...

    by Rebeck

    Connor - did you see the BRITISH version of the "Enigma" story? I hope it was very accurate, cuz it was a real snoozer. Must be that superior "realism" that you guys have over us...to make an exciting piece of history so fucking boring.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:37 a.m. CST

    I hope he doesn&#39;t have clown green hair...

    by stlfilmwire

    I hope his skin lips and hair look like they were dyed by chemicals, and not vibrant colors... like a green tinge to blonde hair, or PALE skin with burnt red lips... versus it all looking like clown make-up.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    No, Rebeck

    by Lost Prophet

    you are missing the point. How many Brits have complained about an aussie or an Irishman playing James Bond? none (well we complain about lazenby&#39;s acting- not the casting) the issue we have with that bloody U571 film is the complete rewrite of history- not the bloody casting. It is similar to taking something iconically American, likeCat On A Hot Tin Roof, and setting it in Manchester, and making every character a fat shellsuit wearing dole scrounging twat. Do you see now?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:41 a.m. CST

    I just love it when ppl go into other tb&#39;s and...

    by Shermdawg

    think they&#39;re breaking big news, and then either slam AICN, or wonder if it&#39;s been reported on, before actually checking. LEDGER IS JOKER!!! No shit. *sigh*

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:46 a.m. CST

    also

    by fat bears

    As long as I&#39;m playing casting-director make believe... I&#39;d rather see Bob Hoskins as a "british arms dealer with dark designs on Gotham" than Phillip Seymour Hoffman. I didn&#39;t see MI3 so I don&#39;t know how much of a thug Hoffman can be, but Hosksins seems like the grittier of the two and more likely to be a mob-boss.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:47 a.m. CST

    NO HARLEY QUINN!!!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    PLEASE!!! GREAT character for the animated show, transitioned terribly into the DCU comics continuity. (Anyone know if she is still even IN continuity?) She would do nothing but detract from the tone/pace/quality of the serious Bat franchise we&#39;ve been lucky enough to enjoy so far. imo.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:49 a.m. CST

    In fact,

    by Lost Prophet

    now I think about it there are countless examples of American&#39;s playing Brits and we haven&#39;t raised a peep- Gywneth Paltrow in SLiding Doors, Renee Zellwegger in Bridget Jones, John Lithgow in Cliffhanger, to name some easy ones. We also didn&#39;t complain (in fact we almost everyone I know was pleased with the adaptation) when Emma was adapted into clueless, not to mention the untold adaptations of Shakespeare- including the Ethan Hawke Hamlet (I know Hamlet was danish before you point this out to me) effort. So take the chip off your shoulder, and think about it before you type next time. PS the Enigma you are talking about was deathly dull- but was about cracking the code, not the taking of the machine. Totally different.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Nolan&#39;s Joker

    by LastJedi

    All those who are worried that this Joker is going to be another Jack Nicholson Joker - which I hated and was 100% wrong IMHO - can relax. (It was simply Jack being Jack with clown make-up on. NO insight into the character, no real love for the character. It was just Nicholson taking a paycheck, which he&#39;s admitted to. Such an iconic character deserves more, I believe.) Nolan has stated on several occasions that they are in no way going the Jack N. route. He said that this Joker is going to be much darker, grittier, and much, much creepier. We may not even get full-blown clown make-up or a purple suit, but the essence will be there. I think this is the best way to go in these new set of movies; these movies are serious and treat the characters in Batman&#39;s world with equal respect and seriousness. A clown running around spouting jokes and just acting goofy (Like Jack&#39;s Joker) really wouldn&#39;t mesh too well. With respect to this darker take on the Joker, Ledger may indeed be fantastic. I have to say that I didn&#39;t even consider him, however. I was really rooting for Lachy Hulme. But I trust Nolan. Unlike Burton and Schumacher, Nolan actualy CARES about this character, his legacy, and the fans. He&#39;s more than earned my trust. (I have to admit though, that I&#39;m a little worried about the potential consideration of Ryan Phillipe for the role of Harvey Dent.) I desperately want Liev Schriber (sp?) for that role. In any event, though all real Batman fans have been burned to a crisp in the past and left gagging as we walked out of the theater, relax - BATMAN is finally, FINALLY, in good, caring, skilled hands.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I hope they LEAVE HARLEYQUINN OUT OF IT

    by Toxic Frog

    I think Ledger could potentially be a great choice. This will be very interesting. I just hope Harleyquinn is not in the film. She&#39;s fine in the cartoons, but I wish she&#39;d never made her way into the comics. The Joker does not need a silly sidekick.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    JDanielP...

    by moto

    Please stop:) LOL

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    unamerican

    by Barbosa

    don&#39;t even try to suggest american actors for juicy roles in the Batman franchise. Its clear that Nolan is going to stick with brits.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Heath Ledger was great in Roar!

    by oisin5199

    anyone remember that strange Celtic series? Anyway, I read about this a few weeks ago and I thought it was brilliant. Heath is excellent and versatile. Someone did photoshop on him at superherohype, don&#39;t have the link handy. And Childe Roland totally beat me to the punch, because I was going to say Killing Joke was all about "I can&#39;t quit you." I really hope that the main thing developed in the movies is the true destructive nature of the relationship. At Batman-on-Film, they did say there&#39;d be a backstory for him, that he&#39;d be the anti-Nicholson, wouldn&#39;t show up until halfway through and that he&#39;d be dark and extreme. And Penguin would be a foreign arms dealer. Now one rumor I hope isn&#39;t true is casting Ryan Phillippe as Harvey Dent. First, he&#39;s too much like Heath. And I think he&#39;s much more of a one-note actor. I still like the Guy Pierce idea, though. Batman Begins still is the best live action Batman and I can&#39;t wait for more.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    That&#39;s Fine, Lost Prophet

    by Rebeck

    But that&#39;s not the subject I started - from my very first post I was talking about CASTING. Go back and read. And unable to admit to a certain double standard, they all pull out U571. It&#39;s their trump card for everything. It was a crappy movie that barely anybody saw anyway. And believe you me...if they cast an AMERICAN as Bond! There&#39;d be marching in the streets! Actually, I&#39;m a Bond fanatic myself and I would rather have a Brit (or Aussie, or Irishman, or Welshman, or Scot) play the part. That&#39;s either an exception for me or I&#39;m just brainwashed into thinking an American couldn&#39;t put on the accent and play the part. It&#39;s as outrageous as a Brit playing an American icon like Batman. Seeing the parallel there? And the difference is...? (Confession beside the point: I would have loved Bale to have become Bond)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhall for Harley Quinn!!!!

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    ;^) And why is it "pussing out" if WB eventually puts Batman: in front of "Dark Knight"?? You want this movie to make money don&#39;t you?!?!? Oh, and please ban the next tber that whines about Crispin Glover? Thx.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    It could be that unbeknowst to Napier he

    by emeraldboy

    had a kid. When he realised that Batman Killed his dad. He waited and waited. The kid has taken his fathers place and eventually becomes the new joker. Possibly there is an eye for an eye thing going there. This is the tricky part for goyer how to ressurrect the joker and how does it will determine whether the dark knight sinks or swims.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    No love for Dr. Quinzell?

    by fat bears

    Harley would be awesome in this movie, assuming she also is re-invented away from tights and silly gags. I&#39;d go all fanboy even if they only had her as Dr. Quinzell, new head of Arkham taking over for Crane. If they went further and had her actually develop a scary, dark attraction to the Joker then that&#39;d be wicked hawd-cooah.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Burton&#39;s films did not care about Batman...

    by rbatty024

    as much as they did the villians. I think Burton gets a lot of shit for his first two movies, but there were some real iconic moments in there and a great score. I liked the fact that his version of Bruce Wayne was a messed up guy with a mild form of multiple personality disorder (although he alluded to this, he didn&#39;t examine it enough to bring out the full potential of the idea). Jack Nicholson was great at chewing the scenery, but hardly the definitive version of the Joker (which is one of the reason&#39;s I&#39;m giving Nolan some slack). I think that Batman Returns was a ballsy move on Burton&#39;s part. He&#39;s trusted with a major blockbuster and he tells the suits to screw off because he&#39;s making the movie he wants, and then he goes and makes a film where the villians are the main characters instead of Batman. This may have pissed some people off, but it&#39;s the riskiest thing I&#39;ve ever seen in a major blockbuster film. I love Nolan&#39;s film (it&#39;s a better portrayal of Batman), but nothing can replace Tim Burton&#39;s run.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Again, LP

    by Rebeck

    Go back and do some research: there was a lot complaining when Zellweger got that part. And a lot of sniping when Paltrow won the Oscar for SIL. Whatever, I give up... The denial is too deep for me to make a dent in it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:03 a.m. CST

    Heath will pull it off

    by DigitalDong

    No i didn&#39;t see Brokeback, cause i really don;t care. But Heath is one of those guys that just by looking at you can be goofy, psychotic, and cool all at once. Something that says Joker to me.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Brit Roles

    by JesseHooker

    Batman&#39;s an American icon. How do you suppose the UK would react if an American actor (one who could do a good accent, of course) was cast to play James Bond?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Lost Prophet

    Point taken, I have reread your original post. I disagree, we are used to other nationalities playing British/ English characters- and now nary raise a peep. I personally think Bale was OK but no more as Batman. The issue that we have with Americans being cast in English parts is the uniform miscasting and terrible performances. (A la Lazenby- the point I was trying to make is that for most of us as Bond has already been played by foriegners we wouldn&#39;t give a toss- provided he was good) It is the abuse and translation of a character for no good reason that we object to. Imagine if Bruce Wayne was being played by Bale- but lived in London and was ex-Eton- you get the idea. If an american was cast as Bond and they decided that actually, no, James shouldn&#39;t be in MI6 but rather a covert op for the CIA then we would be extremely pissed off. To put it mildly. But that is not what is happening here- see the difference?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST

    i dunno about this......

    by yeah i'm a jerk!

    regardless of the brokeback mountain thing, heath ledger has never really been in anything that shows him to be anymore than a prettyboy. i really think that george mcfly would have been a better choice. oh well, at least spidey 3 looks good.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Ledger is NOT a safe choice/stunt casting...

    by moto

    A safe choice or stunt casting would have been hiring Tom Cruise or someone of that statue. Only exception would be Johnny Depp. While Depp would be stunt casting is some respects, he&#39;s the only true A-Lister that could pull it off and disappear into the role. Depp would have been interesting, albeit a little tooo familiar of a face nowadays. But back to Ledger, he is NOT a safe choice or part of stunt casting at all. Come to think of it, Ledger has not had a lot of true success like some of you are suggesting between the lines. He&#39;s not a pretty boy at all. He&#39;s had less than a few hits. Lately, he&#39;s been involved with quirkier roles and small films like Brokeback, Lord of Dogtown, and to some extent (although it was intended to be a big film) Brothers Grimm. You look at his resume and you see maybe two big studio pictures. Only one of which had any true success (Patriot). So no, this is not stunt casting just because the guy was nominated for an Oscar. Jack Nicholson was stunt casting... and most of us liked him, although he didn&#39;t really portray the Joker from the comics. Bettany and Glover would have been boring. We&#39;ve seen it before with them. Yawn. Yawn. Glover would have been the safe choice, as far as the role goes. Boring. Brody would have been okay in some respects, but personally, the guy annoys me. Talented, but he just annoys me. So Ledger is the perfect choice. Why? Because at this time and place, he&#39;s unpredictable. He did manic very well in Lords of Dogtown, disappearing into the role. He did quirky very well in Brotehrs Grimm. Just because he hasn&#39;t played a sick fuck like Joker in past films does NOT mean he can&#39;t pull it off. I&#39;m sure any naysayers will be surprised. And to those who said, "I&#39;m not going to see it now." Sure. Sure you&#39;re not;) So you in line fanboy.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Rebeck

    "The issue that we have with Americans being cast in English parts is the uniform miscasting and terrible performances." ...Do you not see the elitism and prejudice in that statement? If you don&#39;t, then maybe I&#39;m not making this all up.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn would be Excellent

    by Saluki

    Yet another way to distinguish this Joker for the &#39;89 version. Honestly, do you think Nolan would play her as in the comics? Come on. That said, she won&#39;t be in this one, just as Robin likely won&#39;t even be in the next. Nolan is big on Robin last I heard. To those saying this franchise is now doomed, please return to your homework. 7th grade is tough, but you&#39;ll make it! Just focus!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    The title should just be, "Dark Knight"

    by Forestal

    No need for "The".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    I am not being elitist

    by Lost Prophet

    You are missing my point. Gywneth Paltrow in Sliding Doors/ SIL, and Renee Zellwegger in Bridget Jones were both excellent pieces of casting that worked well- and there was very little outcry over either of them here (outside of our disgustingly rabid xenephobic tabloid press) what I am trying to point out is that Americans tend to be miscast when cast in British roles- Keanu Reeves and Denzel Washington in Much Ado About Nothing leaps to mind. It is not elitist, just an observation, and don&#39;t quote me out of context- especially when you are (I suspect deliberately) avoiding answering any point I have raised. That line you cut and paste was part of a comparison. Not a divisive statement. This is not the fault of the actors- who clearly never want to be bad- but the idiots that cast them.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Brilliant casting. Brilliant title.

    by Wolfman57

    I was at first a bit hesistant about accepting Ledger as the Joker, but after recalling his performance in Lords of Dogtown, I think he can pull it off. As for the purple suit, I remember reading on BOF that they weren&#39;t going to use it. However, there would still be purple in his outfit. Think a black suit with a purple trim. As for the title, awesome. It&#39;s basically telling us that this isn&#39;t a sequel; it&#39;s another badass Batman movie. And Philip Seymour Hoffman must be cast as the Penguin.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I hope they keep the THE

    by JohnGalt06

    Seriously, I think WB may try to make it uber-hip by retitling just "Dark Knight". Hollywood hates "The" in titles for some reason. Keep it "The Dark Knight" you bastards.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:30 a.m. CST

    captboulder: If that&#39;s true...

    by moto

    ...and talkbackers that said they wouldn&#39;t go to see Superman Returns actually didn&#39;t go, then 1) They continue to piss on a movie that they haven&#39;t even seen 2)They have jumped on a bandwagon of people that DID see it but did not like it, adding even less merit to their posts 3) And everytime they say shit about SR, they are completely clueless and depending upon other people&#39;s opinion of the movie and/or basing their opinion solely on the box office numbers. Shit, watch the movie at least before you offer any "input" ("you" meaning the people we mentioned, not you specifically captboulder).

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Interesting casting, which is why it&#39;s great!

    by performingmonkey

    Nolan knows what he&#39;s doing. He already proved that with Begins. Bale was right as Bruce Wayne because he wasn&#39;t too obvious a choice and he was great for the millionaire playboy Wayne, as well as the League of Shadows stuff with Neeson. He&#39;s good enough to encapsulate every side of Wayne/Batman. Ledger must have exactly what Nolan is looking for. We are going to see HIS Joker, not the fanboy version. He might not even have the white face.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Just Say NO to the Killing Joke

    by Movietool

    I know everyone seems to think it&#39;s the definitive Batman/Joker tale - but I found it to be a mean, mysoginistic rape fantasy. And I promise you - if Batman has a love interest in this movie - I will not see it - when had being in love EVER been a core element of Batman&#39;s character?.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Ennis should do a very good job

    by brokebackcowboy

    His performance in Brokeback Mountain was insanely good. He was in total character immersion. And isn&#39;t he an Aussie? No matter. A good performance stands on its own merit no matter what the actor&#39;s background. I wish we could see some of his casting footage - there must be a good reason they selected him.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Pic of Ledger as Joker

    by w_woody

    Photoshop skills ain&#39;t that great but thought...wtf. http://www.mojojinx.com/images/Ledger-Joker.jpg

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Ryan Phillipe as Harvey Dent??

    by chickychow

    Has anyone else read this rumor? if its true, then all goodwill toward this project goes down the drain. I wasnt even into the Liev Schrieber rumors...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    You definitely need Harley for BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT

    by SpyGuy

    Might as well call it "BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT" because we all know WB won&#39;t stand for just "THE DARK KNIGHT." Anywho, Harley is necessary for the film, if only to give the Joker someone to interact with when he&#39;s not getting the snot kicked out of him by Batman. Kristin Bell would indeed be a good choice for Harley, but I&#39;d rather see Scarlett Johansson in the role.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:02 a.m. CST

    What the hell was wrong with BATMAN IS STILL HERE ?!

    by Uncle Stan

    You just know there&#39;s going to be a subtitle under "The Dark Knight" displaying the Batman name loud and obnoxiously so. And Andy Richter as the Joker would have been genius.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:03 a.m. CST

    River Phoenix...

    by coastal

    as Harvey Dent. Damn, yet another part he would have totally rocked as.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn

    by blackwood

    In my little bubble dream of the world, "Dark Knight" would begin with Harley Quinn - as a prostitute, maybe, whose schtick in a clown get-up. She gets a trick and they go at it in an alley - and when he&#39;s about to climax she fucks his shit up. Enter Joker from the shadows. The majority of the film would detail the epic battle between Joker and Batman - and, to address something that was said 150 posts ago, Joker is Batman&#39;s perfect foil, the perfect villian who is yin to Bats&#39; yang - but Harley would always be there, and the film would take time to chart the course of her transformation from sick-chick murderous thief to love-struck complete psycho, constantly upping the ante of her crimes to keep in the Joker&#39;s favour. At the end of the film she would die, and the Joker would live (or, perhaps, even be the one to kill her). She could be the vehicle to something really tragic and poignant, kind of what Burton attempted in "Returns" to a certain degree of success, but handled with Nolan&#39;s grittiness. As much as I didn&#39;t take to "Begins" it was the smaller roles - Oldman, Caine, Freeman - that really resonnated, that grounded the other stuff. And Britney Murphy would be killer for the part. Besides, the series needs a great chick to pave the way for Catwoman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Oh and

    by blackwood

    Naomi Watts for Catwoman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Lachy Hulme.

    by riskebiz

    Well ... just goes to show you that all the SELF-PROMOTING in the world won&#39;t get you the part of the Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Very VERY disapointed

    by Dokkalvar

    Ugh! what the hell?! ---Well there goes my interest.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:08 a.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by blackwood

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by blackwood

    Sorry, slippery fingers. --- It&#39;s true that Brit&#39;s not top tier - but I rather think of her as clay, needing to be molded by the right director. Some of her moments in SIN CITY showed promise.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    For You, LP

    by Rebeck

    Just off the top of my head.... Top 10 Worst Performances/Accents By British Actors Playing Americans: 1) Kenneth Branaugh, DEAD AGAIN 2) Kate Winslet, TITANIC 3) Gary Oldman in THE FIFTH ELEMENT 4) Tie: Rachel Weisz in ENVY, Emma Thompson in PRIMARY COLORS 5) Tracey Ullmann in, well, ANYTHING AT ALL 6) Alan Rickman whenever he plays a SOUTHERNER (please stop) 7) Almost the entire cast of BLACKHAWK DOWN 8) Laurence Oliver in THE JAZZ SINGER 9) Michael Gambon in TOYS 10) Liam Neeson in LEAP OF FAITH (what&#39;s an Irish cop doing in The Deep South?) ...See? It goes both ways. What&#39;s the difference?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST

    And not tit promise

    by blackwood

    just for the record.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 a.m. CST

    YackBacker, I&#39;d watch what you say...

    by Shermdawg

    She might "cut cha &#39;lil pecka off". :(

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    OK. Yackbacker

    by Lost Prophet

    Since when did anything get resolved in a TB? but you are right. Sorry. It is petty shit. I was Inflicting my work boredom on the world.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I&#39;m glad none of us can "see" Ledger as the Joker.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I don&#39;t want some Jack Nicholson/Jim Carrey/Adam Sandler goofball performance. This is supposed to be a "real" looking movie and i&#39;m glad they hired a "straight" actor for the part. No pun intended.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Crossing my fingers. COME ON HEATH!!!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    KNOCK IT OUT OF THE PARK!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:16 a.m. CST

    So if BoF is right

    by Mechasheeva

    Then the Penguin is gonna pop up in this movie, and it&#39;s probably not gonna be Philip Seymour Hoffman, which sucks because he would be beyond fantastic. I don&#39;t see the Penguin as being of any particular age, though, and he&#39;ll probably be less of a physical threat himself than someone lurking in the shadows, like Falcone in BB . . . I see him maybe being behind the crime syndicate that hires the Joker to be Red Hood if they do the Killing Joke origin (please oh please oh please). If Penguin&#39;s in it, as a "British arms dealer" like BoF claims, then, I&#39;m gonna say Brendan Gleeson.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:17 a.m. CST

    I know I said I would stop, but...

    by Lost Prophet

    I never said that brits weren&#39;t miscast- you missed that horrid shit with John Geilguld as a southern preacher. You missed my point again. I will stop now. As you are never going to look at the point I was trying to make. Sorry, last word on it. And Brittany Murphy would be fucking terrible in this, if this is actually being planned then why not cast Ashton Bloody Kutchner as Dent?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Kate Hudson

    by blackwood

    If that&#39;s the price I have to pay for Britney... sorry Brits, you ain&#39;t worth it. Shu-fucking-udder.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:19 a.m. CST

    On second thought.

    by Dokkalvar

    This could actually be interesting. Ok, I&#39;m back on.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by blackwood

    Naomi Watts, like I said.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:24 a.m. CST

    How about Fairuza Balk...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    ...for Harley Quinn?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Catwoman

    by Lost Prophet

    Can&#39;t think of anyone good enough at the moment. I am still smarting at Halle Berry&#39;s version. Jessica Alba, maybe?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    Gaius

    by blackwood

    Fucking-A. That&#39;s awesome.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:27 a.m. CST

    I absolutely, positively do NOT want to see Catwoman...

    by JohnGalt06

    in any of these new movies. There are certain characters which simply will not work in the universe that Nolan has created--Catwoman, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, Poison Ivy...none of these will work. The funny thing is that I think Lex Luthor (an intelligent one, not the retard played by Kevin Spacey) could be good foil for Nolan&#39;s Batman. Hey, maybe if they ever make the BATMAN VS SUPERMAN movie (which I hope they don&#39;t)...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST

    People who don&#39;t think Ledger can act

    by Barry Egan

    clearly didn&#39;t see Brokeback Mountain.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:30 a.m. CST

    I know this is a bit of a strange one....

    by Lost Prophet

    but what about Eliza Dushku for Catwoman, unless she is too young. Before you react and flame at will, think about it- she could be OK- has handled martial arts/ action before and looked hot in a leather catsuit in Jay and Silent Bob strike back. Might work

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    my spoon is TOO big...

    by thatmathrkid

    and so is heath ledger&#39;s nose. not that you couldn&#39;t apply a prosthetic to give it that iconic "joker-esque" quality... i think that, perhaps, this is why it&#39;s so hard to imagine it. he&#39;s got a fat face... a fat nose... an almost impish quality to his looks... while jack napier was lanky and demented (in some tellings, anyway). this may very well be a MARVELOUS transformation. i&#39;m hoping to be blown away.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Oh god, not DUSHKU!!! *vomit*

    by Shermdawg

    Having... Kazaam.... flahback... >_<

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Haven&#39;t seen Kazaam

    by Lost Prophet

    But I did watch Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back again yesterday, maybe that&#39;s why she was on my mind. How bad was it? anyway where did this fetish for multiple villains come from? What&#39;s wrong with spreading them out over a series of films?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn=Brittany Murphy/Sienna Miller

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    "Batman Sticks Around"

    by chickychow

    there&#39;s your new fuckin title.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:40 a.m. CST

    So who&#39;s the sheep?

    by ryman7

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Harvey Dent = Guy Pierce!

    by R.C. the "Wise"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    they should name the movie Detective Comics #27

    by durhay

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Dushku....ewwwwwwww...

    by Shermdawg

    How about.... uh.... how about.... *crickets*

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Too soon!

    by Mechasheeva

    For Catwoman. Seriously, I doubt WB will allow Catwoman anywhere near this series because of the character&#39;s horrific last outing. And JohnGalt, you claim Two-Face won&#39;t work in Nolan&#39;s Batverse? Joker is WAY more outlandish than Two-Face, as is Scarecrow. Speaking of Scarecrow, does anyone think he&#39;ll be returning? Maybe in an opening scene or something?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:46 a.m. CST

    jokeback mountain? anybody?

    by washisdead

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    That was my thinking with Scarecrow

    by Lost Prophet

    It seems fucking pointlessfor him to become a supervillain at the end and then have him piss off never to be seen again. He will be back now that, thankfully, they have stopped killing villains.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Brokebat Mantaint

    by FrankLanguage

    Another DC reboot with villians we&#39;ve seen before? Riveting. If you guys can&#39;t find interesting new bad guys, then try some new superheroes. Do we really need a sixth Batman and Superman movie, particularly ones with the same villains they started with? This trend of taking old franchises and &#39;reinventing&#39; them as grittier, humourless exercises to better reflect our &#39;troubled, post 9/11 world&#39;(Superman/Batman/007)is getting old quick. We read comics and watch superhero films to escape everyday life, not to relive our own. Like Spacey with Lex, I hope Ledger doesn&#39;t reinvent the Joker as some realistically troubled, dull-as-bones sourpuss. At least Marvel still knows how to make an entertaining superhero flick.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:59 a.m. CST

    I guess I&#39;m in the Rosario camp for now.

    by Shermdawg

    Although, MI:III&#39;s Maggie Q would be a interesting choice. You think Nolan will make her a whore if she ever does appear in the flicks?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Isn&#39;t Harvey Dent black ?

    by Mr_NoReaction

    I&#39;m no Batman universe expert but isn&#39;t Harvey Dent black ? If people are gonna bitch because they don&#39;t want Terrence Howard as Tony Stark or hated Micheal Clake Duncan as Kingpin ... we want our black superheros/villains to be the right colour in movies too

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:08 p.m. CST

    The Scarecrow will definitely return...

    by JohnGalt06

    Nolan went to great pains to establish him and have him slowly become this great villain and clearly did not kill him off for a reason. Bring it on. I imagine his part will be about as big as it was in BEGINS...he&#39;ll be part of a larger scheme (perhaps recruited by Joker) but not a huge part. As for my statement about Two-Face, yeah I guess maybe somehow he could work (ala Scarecrow, which I never thought would either) but Catwoman... there&#39;s just no room for her. At least, I don&#39;t think... And I really hope Katie Holmes will be back because one of the things that really pissed me off about the first 4 movies was how each new film had some totally arbitrary new love interest, with no explanation as to what happened to the last one. Seriously, the BATMAN movies have been like episodes of Seinfeld with regards to girlfriends prior to BEGINS.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes returns

    by Mechasheeva

    and is horribly killed by the Joker within the first five minutes, thus guaranteeing that the audience will like Ledger and giving Batman a real reason to be pissed at the Joker. And seriously, the Pengiun&#39;s probably in this thing too. Who do you guys see filling DeVito&#39;s tiny, scenery-munching shoes?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:12 p.m. CST

    captboulder... at least you own up to it:)

    by moto

    Judgin a movie off of a trailer? C&#39;mon:) But like I said, at least you own up to it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:15 p.m. CST

    STARGATE SEQUELS CONFIRMED

    by moto

    Hey, since Harry doesn&#39;t want to post anything about it, how about the news that Dean Devlin signed with MGM for two Stargate sequels?? Stargate was a truly underrated sci-fi flick that showed lots of potential for a film franchise until the execs decided to do the TV series. Devlin said that he will be doing direct sequels to their original movie, albeit 12 years later. Russell and Spader have shown interest. Nothing to do with Batman... but Harry hasn&#39;t posted shit so...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Uh ...

    by Mr_NoReaction

    How come Billy Dee Williams played him in Batman then ? And in the animated series, I&#39;m pretty sure Dent was black too (or maybe it was another character)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:24 p.m. CST

    NO LEDGER PLEASE!!!! NOOOOOOOO

    by Spiderhulk

    NO I HATE THIS IDEA!!! I HATE IT... he looks nothing like the joker.... he cant act that well, and I just dont see him mastering the character, the laugh, the eccentricity, the craziness, the psychopath... it just doesn&#39;t add up. GET DEPP, ECCLESTON, or BETTANY... ITS THE ONLY WAY TO SAVE THIS MOVIE FROM BEING ANOTHER SCHUMACCER DISASTER

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:25 p.m. CST

    moto

    by Mechasheeva

    That was posted SO long ago. On a Batman-related note, QTN where did you hear that Bob Hoskins rumor? Pretty badass if true, though if Nolan landed Philip Seymour Hoffman I&#39;d be willing to declare this best superhero movie ever sight unseen.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Ledger will be fine

    by amrisharmpit

    He&#39;s not the first choice that comes to mind, but he&#39;s a decent actor. I think he&#39;s really going to immerse himself in the role and give it his all. After all, he just hit the acting jackpot - getting cast as the Joker in a Batman film directed by Chris Nolan. For a young actor, it doesn&#39;t get any better than that.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:26 p.m. CST

    YackBacker

    by Mr_NoReaction

    Yeah I just googled &#39;Harvey Dent&#39; and went to Wiki ... guess I should shut the fuck up and go back to work now hehe

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Serial killers don&#39;t have sidekicks. They eat their fri

    by NoHubris

    LOL. Great character description, Yack. You need to save some of your stuff for when you write, produce or pitch. Somebody&#39;s in meeting somewhere about to get PAID off that one.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Just something I knocked up when I heard the news

    by weel

    http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/8176/heathjoker2jk7.jpg

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:39 p.m. CST

    EMERALDBOY...

    by Frijole

    Are you retarded or are you joking? How many times to people have to be told that Goyer&#39;s continuity has nothing to do with Burton&#39;s? And besides Jack Napier was a creation of Sam Hamm, the writer of Burton&#39;s Batman screenplay. Napier is NOT the true identity of the Joker... And even if he WAS... again, this series&#39; continuity has ZERO to do with Burton&#39;s, so there is no need to "resurrect" the Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins was good but...

    by Wormie

    ...Not as good as the Burton/Keaton flicks. Here&#39;s what I don&#39;t like so much about BB: the Batmobile sucked, Bale was great as BW but his Batman voice wasn&#39;t good, Arkham Asylum was not represented correctly (Schumacher kinda got this right), some of the action scenes were poorly edited, Thomas Wayne&#39;s dialogue was corny (maybe that was intentional), and, oh yeah, they totally screwed up Ra&#39;s al Ghul. Some people moaned when Burton had the Joker kill Bruce&#39;s parents (a good choice in the context of the movie), but Nolan made two entirely separate characters (Ra&#39;s and Ducard) into one person - WTF? Neeson was awesome, but where was Talia, where was the Lazarus Pit? Burton&#39;s gothic take was more interesting psychologically and visually than Nolan&#39;s "realistic" take. As for Ledger, he&#39;s a good actor who has made some major flops, and he wouldn&#39;t have been my first choice for Joker, but it&#39;s not bad casting, I guess.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    How you can sit there and accuse the British of Elitism when you&#39;re pretty much whining like one yourself over the british cast in Batman? It is quite amusing. The fact is my friend that most American actors are only in the profession because they are pretty boys and girls who look good enough to sell a movie to the brainless masses in the US and here in the UK. The reason why you are seeing more and more Aussies, Brits, New Zealanders and Canadians in American movies is down to the simple fact that they actually CAN act as oppoesed to stand infront of a camera and look good, (or worse yet, because they&#39;re a member of some fucking lunatic fringe cult that&#39;s stitching the whole American film industry up). As for your list of bad British performances i could quite easily throw just as many shit American playing Brit performances back at you, the most horrifying of which was Keanu Reeves in Dracula which is so bad that it alone outweighs all of the poor performances you mentioned. I would like to point out though that during the press and publicity for BB, Christian Bale, at all times, conducted his interviews with an American accent because of his deep respect for such an American icon and didn&#39;t want to shatter the illusion; he pulls of a very good American accent i think. Anyway, I seriously don&#39;t know what you&#39;ve got your knickers all bunched up over, you&#39;d think some Brit in here had took a shit on the Stars and Stripes. Get over it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:50 p.m. CST

    I love reading these talkbacks sometimes...

    by Spiderhulk

    cause you get to learn who the people are who know fuck all about batman. The people who you know have never read a fuckin comic book in their entire lives except at a friends house, and have become posers pretending to be geeks. They are the ones who watched the Spiderman cartoons and that&#39;s all they know, and the ones who haven&#39;t read the superman cartoons but know the gist of the films, the ones who watched the x-men cartoons but dont have a clue who all the x-men were and are. THOSE PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE BURTON&#39;S BATMAN WAS FUCKING GOOD! THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE THAT BATMAN BEGINS WASN&#39;T AS GOOD AS BURTON&#39;S BATMAN! THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO THINK IT WAS COOL THAT THEY MADE THE JOKER WAYNE&#39;S PARENTS KILLER. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED THE ORIGIN STORY IN BURTON&#39;S BATMAN. THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO LIKED SUPES RETURNS and THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW THEIR ASS FROM A HOLE IN THE GROUND.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    And since i&#39;m now on a rant myself...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Check out Hugh Laurie in House. The producers actually thought he was American when they hired him and most of the people who watch the show aren&#39;t aware of his English origins either. If you really want to be pissed off at people Rebeck, why not take a dig at pretentious fucks like Madonna who so desperately tries to be British or Catherine Zeta Jones who has completely forgotten that she&#39;s from Wales....Anyway...that&#39;s off my chest now.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    incase you didn&#39;t know I&#39;m talking to you wormie....

    by Spiderhulk

    and emerald boy...... retards

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Harley&#39;s not a sidekick, she&#39;s a disturbed fangirl

    by SpyGuy

    Think about it...She tries to hang around the Joker, who wants nothing to do with her, and tries to be his ultimate hench-wench. She&#39;s turned on by him, just like chicks who get hot for dudes in prison. That&#39;s why she works as a character.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 12:58 p.m. CST

    the title

    by BizarroJerry

    The title&#39;s cool, but I&#39;d assume it&#39;ll be "Batman: The Dark Knight". Maybe they can keep the "2" out of it, but marketing people love to advertise with the number only. Worse case scenario, "B2: Dark Knight".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Yack

    by NoHubris

    Keep on coming to the TBs (movies aren&#39;t just for viewing, right? Harry has a whole site and he has managed to get his art out there. My suggestion is to just dole out your gems carefully.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Ledger doesn&#39;t seem the Joker type at all

    by davros72

    He just doesn&#39;t fit the "mold" of Joker looks, does he? Or did they just pick him for his "hot this minute" looks and that weird thing going on with his mouth? I just don&#39;t know...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Harley Quinn?

    by fiester

    Will she be in this flick? Hope so. Please pick someone sexy.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:26 p.m. CST

    At least it would appease the people

    by Mechasheeva

    who seem to think the Revolutionary War is still on . . . Hoffman&#39;s more than good enough to pull a convincing British gangster. Hoskins would rule, but for some reason (honestly, not sure why) my mind keeps coming back to Brendan Gleeson.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    you guys are cute...

    by thatmathrkid

    what, with your name-calling and eye-gouging? like brothers and sisters. keep it up, eh?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Jake Gyllenhaal as Robin

    by United States

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Sadly, I think the marketing department will prevail...

    by JohnGalt06

    in having the flick retitled BATMAN: THE DARK KNIGHT. I can just hear the execs at WB (who are notorious this year for make some truly bone-headed decisions) stressing out: "People won&#39;t know it&#39;s a sequel if &#39;Batman&#39; isn&#39;t in the title! Now let&#39;s get to work on a sequel to POSEIDON!"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 1:56 p.m. CST

    "DROWNING IN LAUGHTER"/include Harley Quinn... or not?

    by JDanielP

    Back by popular demand... (heh,heh) ...but seriously, if anyone is interested, this is PART 3. (See previous posts, this talkback.) So anyway, to continue the opening scene at the Gotham River, ...let me go back to the police chatter between Gordon and the boat-man, with the two divers at boat-side (before Batman is involved). (That way, I can be more specific and clear where this story is headed.) (Again, they are talking over police radio.) GORDON: "Gordon, here. What have you got for me?" BOAT-MAN: "We found a body. Possibly a young woman, ...in her mid-twenties. And she&#39;s still inside her car." GORDON: "POSSIBLY a young woman?" BOAT-MAN: "The divers can&#39;t say for sure. She has the painted face, likely another victim of that freak who calls himself the Joker." (Gordon pauses.) GORDON: "Could it be Rachel Dawes?" BOAT-MAN: "They say it could be... but prefer to wait for proper identification on this one." GORDON: "What about the license plate on the car?!" BOAT-MAN: "Montoya should be running the plate, now." (Gordon looks around.) GORDON: "Montoya, where are you?" MONTOYA: "Sorry, Lieutenant. Dispatch sent us on a 1081 but I am running the plate." (Montoya is in the passenger seat, looking at the screen in the squad-car) "Bingo. The car is registered to a Rachel M. Dawes." ...So, in this early going, I establish that Rachel is dead and that the Joker is a known killer. But there&#39;s a very interesting thing about this crime scene... in that Rachel Dawes was a D.A. and she had her share of enemies. When you combine that with the fact that there was some attempt to hide the body, you realize that the face-paint found on the body could just as easily be a way to shift the blame to a known killer, shifting it from the REAL killer. Plus, the Joker never hides his victims. (What a tangled web we weave.) Thus, we have the mystery and... in the most basic of terms, what the story is about. WHO KILLED RACHEL DAWES? ...Now, jumping forward. (If you didn&#39;t read my previous postings, you&#39;ll be lost.) So, here is this crime scene where Rachel Dawes is found dead. A "cell-phone" rings in Gordon&#39;s pocket. But it turns out to be much more, ...as Batman is now contacting Gordon from this very unique device. Batman, unaware of Gordon&#39;s new crime scene, says to Gordon... "Turns out that locating a homicidal clown is much easier than finding a missing D.A." Right at the beginning, Batman has located the Joker. And he&#39;s calling Gordon to request back-up. (It only makes sense because Batman is concerned that there might still be live hostages.) But Batman can not wait any longer... and makes his move, which sets up a BEAUTIFUL introduction of the Joker (if I do say so myself)... and results in what I see as a very exciting and thrilling opening action scene, along with Batman and the Joker meeting face to face. -- Now, to follow my subject line, there&#39;s been some debate as to whether or not to include Harley Quinn or not. And personally, that is the very question that I&#39;ve had the most difficulty with in writing this screenplay. In the early going, she was in this opening scene with the Joker. And as a scene, itself, it plays better with her involvement (as I&#39;ve tried writing it both ways). But I found that her (first) involvement better served the story if it was shifted... to the Joker&#39;s escape from Arkham Asylum, perhaps mid-way into the story. And I couldn&#39;t help but question her character. I mean, what makes an educated, professional woman cross a line like that??? It has been... and continues to be... a struggle for me. I find that the easiest answer is to change her background, to change her character. But I&#39;ve fought that every bit of the way. And I still question the best route to go with the character of Harley Quinn. Some say not to include her. But as theatrical as the Joker is... I find that she is a great character for the Joker to play off of in various ways. I think it is best to include her. But perhaps her character, her background, should be what is most in question.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:04 p.m. CST

    this will be bad

    by sokitome

    Batman Begins was a good movie. Granted I still think the actions scenes were shot too close but that&#39;s just nit picking, at least the casting was right. I FUCKING hate Heath Ledger. I think he has no talent. The casting of these movies is extremely important, I think this will be a huge disappointment at the B.O. I think at least Superman Returns bad.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Ledger&#39;s only in because he was in Brokeback Mountain

    by ryman7

    Seriously, Ledger isn&#39;t even close to the caliber of an actor that could fill Joker&#39;s shoes. That being said, I do hope to be wrong on this one, because I loved BB, and for making that movie Christopher Nolan is my hero. Harley Quinn might be able to work as a character, but only if she came later in the movie series. Then again, this series as a gothic, dark tone to it, as opposed to the comedic relief mood surrounding the harley in the cartoons. Overall, I hope ledger gets canned for some reason, and a better actor with a better look fills his shoes. Anyone for Mark Hamill dubbing the voice?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I sure hope they did a screentest first.

    by riskebiz

    I sure hope they did a screentest first and it was no question that Heath would make a fantastic Joker. Because I sure as hell can&#39;t see it. So he must&#39;ve brought something to the table that got him the part.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    WHINERS!

    by Jak0lantern01

    When this movie comes out, you&#39;ll all be wishing you were Jake what&#39;s-his-head in Brokeback.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    why all the Harley Quinn love?

    by oisin5199

    I definitely think there&#39;s a place for her in Nolan&#39;s world, but totally different than the cartoon (I never bought for a second that the ditz in the cartoon had been a doctor). I actually didn&#39;t mind Mia Sara&#39;s version in the Birds of Prey series, though I&#39;m curious what Sherilyn Fenn did with her in the original pilot. From what I saw, Sara was the better choice. But she can&#39;t be a prostitute. She has to be a doctor that somehow is seduced by the Joker (and I could see Ledger being eerily seductive while still being psychotic). She&#39;s a character that could be introduced in the 2nd film and developed further into the 3rd film. She helps him and at some point she cracks after the Joker rejects her. Anyway, I&#39;m still convinced that Heath Ledger is much more than a pretty face. Most directors that have worked with him have often noted his talent and acting chops. Anyone remember his performance in Monster&#39;s Ball?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:33 p.m. CST

    like I said before, Andy Serkis&#39;d make a good Penguin..

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and people didn&#39;t like Brittany Murphy&#39;s turn in Sin City? i thought she played miles above Jessica Alba, which isn&#39;t saying much... But for all the people talking about The Long Halloween and whatnot, and look at that Harvey Dent. Absolutely it&#39;s Liev Schreiber.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    Serkis is Overrated

    by Jak0lantern01

    OOOOHHH.....HE WAS GOLLUM. Yay.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Serkis

    by Mechasheeva

    could work, and is obviously a very gifted physical actor, which would work well with the Penguin&#39;s physical attributes. He&#39;s just not fat enough.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Bob Hoskins would be a great Penguin...

    by JohnGalt06

    Or at least, he seems like the right choice, which probably means Nolan won&#39;t cast him.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Fairuza Balk as Harley Quinn

    by I Dunno

    Look her up if you don&#39;t know her. She was genetically engineered to play Harley. Not that I&#39;m too keen on the character and I HATE fucking Robin. I hate him in the comic and I hated him in the movies. The whole concept was that they wanted to balance Batman&#39;s darkness with a gay fucking kid. Well we don&#39;t need the darkness balanaced and in these times when everyone&#39;s looking at everything as ga, we don&#39;t need a grown man adopting a teenage boy and dressing him up every night. Anyway, Fairuza Balk as Harley if they must have the character.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Huh. Unconventional choice.

    by SpacePhil

    I would&#39;ve gone with an actor who does crazy well... like, um. Hmm. Who would I pick? ... Brad Pitt might actually be interesting. Doing his whole Twelve Monkeys/Fight Club schtick. But that&#39;s all I can think of off the top of my head, if you&#39;re aiming for someone in Bale&#39;s age group. That all having been said, I think I&#39;ll trust Nolan on this. I liked Batman Begins quite a bit, and I&#39;m looking forward to this sequel, even with Ledger as the Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:46 p.m. CST

    Give Heath a Chance

    by Jak0lantern01

    He may surprise you. I thought he was great in Lords of Dogtown, the only reason to watch that piece of fluff. I didn&#39;t see the gay cowboy thing. Sorry, I prefer ass-kicking cowboys, not ass- well, you know where I&#39;m going. I&#39;m sure he did something good in the audition, I get the vibe that he&#39;s going the Val Kilmer route with his career and trying to do different, memorable characters.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    BATMAN NEEDS WOMEN

    by JohnGalt06

    Seriously, even more than Mars. They&#39;ve got to have some other female character besides Katie Holmes--these movies are turning into sausage fests. It doesn&#39;t have to be another love interest, just anybody, please. Throw Diane Keaton in there for all I care. Hell, if Keanue Reeves can fall for her, why not Bale?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Another Warner Bros fuckup

    by AlwaysThere

    Not the casting of actors or behind the scenes talent, but who&#39;s in charge of the marketing department?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST

    Jake Gyllenhaal as Bat-Mite

    by Darth_Inedible

    I&#39;d like to see Nolan try for a subtler, somewhat sinister and surreal Bat-Mite. Gyllenhaal could do the motion capture work the voice which would probably have to be heavily post-processed.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 2:49 p.m. CST

    He&#39;s also too young.

    by I Dunno

    He&#39;s about 7 years younger than Bale. I don&#39;t see the Joker as being younger than Batman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3 p.m. CST

    Nolan needs to cast an Action Director next..

    by Neo Zeed

    Just sayin&#39;...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Hey Spiderhulk, love reading these talkbacks because

    by falawful-314

    I get to read a lot of fools insist that their opinion is some scientifically determined fact. In addition, adding to the fun, these same people refuse to consider the possibility that you can appreciate any given film on its own merits without using CAPITAL LETTERS to describe why it&#39;s either 100% teh shit or a 100% piece o&#39; shit. Not only that, but you can like TWO DIFFERENT FILMS without believing one is objectively better than the other, imagine!!! I like Burton&#39;s films, even if I think he suffers from diminishing returns. The first Batman has a special place in my heart, and I even rock out to the Prince soundtrack when I feel like a little nostalgia. I also like the Nolan film somewhat ... oh, I&#39;d say 75%. See? I kind of like BOTH, without thinking one is superior to the other. (Apples and oranges sort of thing, you wouldn&#39;t understand.) Oh, and yeah, I do like Superman Returns. Not a whole lot, just a lot. Let&#39;s say 80% like. I guess that makes me 80% a fucking moron, I don&#39;t know. (I gather I have the right to like it even more than that if it tops $200m domestically - strange world, isn&#39;t it?) I&#39;ve read SOME comics ... obviously not enough to be the PhD of comic cool that you are, of course. I hope I&#39;m entertaining you, what with my foolishness and opinions and all. So I understand you don&#39;t like the new Superman film? Interesting. I guess I ought to have some absurd opinion about YOU as a result ... funny enough, I can&#39;t imagine what that says about you personally, though.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:01 p.m. CST

    JDanielP

    by moto

    Once again please, for the love of God... stop:)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST

    No repeats

    by opiatevader

    No killing joker! Burton did that shit in his movie and ruined the whole series. I wanna see "death in the family" god damn it!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:06 p.m. CST

    First AICN Post

    by DiabeticMan

    First I want to say I think your all fuckin&#39; crazy. That has nothing to do with this topic that&#39;s just an opinion. Second, I put my trust in Nolan after seeing Batman Begins so I have faith he wouldn&#39;t fuck it up. He must have seen something in Heath. So I guess we&#39;ll have to wait and see. Later..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Michelle Williams for the Penguin?

    by SpyGuy

    She&#39;s short and dumpy, so slap on a monocle, a top hat and a Cyrano nose and she&#39;s all set. Hmmmm...Too soon?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    falawful-314

    by Jak0lantern01

    You rock out to Prince? How?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Burton vs. Nolan Batflicks

    by moto

    Nostalgia-wise, the original BATMAN in &#39;89 stands out in all of our minds. So many good things about it. But go back and watch Batman Returns and you will see that it is really... odd. A little too Burtonesque. BATMAN BEGINS was excellent. The realism of Batman&#39;s creation was perfect, tone-wise. Great acting on Bale&#39;s part. His Batman was menacing. And that is how Batman should be. Burton&#39;s were good and there&#39;s always that place in our memories for them, but if you watch them again, you&#39;ll find them very dated and odd in many parts. So... if you like Ledger or not (seems that we&#39;re about 60% in favor of him here), trust that Christopher Nolan knows what he is doing I guess. Pumped for it. Can&#39;t wait. To those saying Heath doesn&#39;t look like Joker... who really does look like a crazy menacing killer with a clown face? Nobody.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    I trust Nolans instincts

    by flossygomez

    The casting was excellent for 90% of Batman Begins (except for a certain Xenu worshipping acolyte who was cast too young). I am glad that Nolan didn&#39;t go for the temptation of "a big name" star that would have baked like campy ham on the screen. Ledger is a good actor and very chameleon like. Thank god he&#39;s not 60 years old and doesn&#39;t have to wear a Shatner corset. I think Ledgers performance will surprise you all.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Thanks..

    by DiabeticMan

    Thanks Yack....I welcome it....I can hold my own..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Americans need not audition?

    by JackieJokeman

    Seriously, Ive had enough of the bad American accents.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Glad that...

    by Frankenblogger

    ...David Goyer isn&#39;t the one writing the actual script here. Dug Batman Begins, but thought it would have been that much better in the hands of a real WRITER. Doesn&#39;t anyone here remember &#39;Blade: Trinity&#39; for frak&#39;s sake?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Fanboys aren&#39;t casting directors.

    by Barry Egan

    Thanks God for that.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Batman Returns

    by Jak0lantern01

    Batman Returns was a little quirky because Burton seemed to be going through an odd &#39;phase&#39; at the time. It was also around the time of Edward Scissorhands. Watch the 2 movies, and you&#39;ll see what I mean. Same type of &#39;humor&#39;.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Mary Tyler Moore should play The Joker

    by herow/1000faces

    http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h69/Candlemas/mary_tyler_moore.jpg

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Mary Tyler Moore

    by Jak0lantern01

    Years ago, my friend had a book called Seperated at Birth that had humorous pics of celebs and peeps that they look like. They had Mary Tyler Moore and Cesar Romero in his Joker make-up. Too funny.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Make-up

    by Jak0lantern01

    I&#39;m thinking prostetics. If they just paint his face, well, it&#39;ll be dumb. He should be creepy.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Shoulda been Christopher Eccleston

    by davros72

    ...as the Joker. He would&#39;ve been mean, man. Got the look, the intensity, not this Heath Ledger prettyboy crap. Oh well.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Glover should have played Willy Wonka, too.

    by 3 Bag Enema

    It hurts. Anyone who&#39;s seen the Willard remake knows he&#39;d have been perfect. Eccleston was a perfect second choice. Yes, I&#39;m unoriginal. But maybe the studios will see see the voluminous outcry and do the sensible thing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Pretty

    by Jak0lantern01

    Yeah, and Keaton sucked, too, right? No one thought he could pull it off. Not that he&#39;s pretty, but it&#39;s a poor standard to judge Ledger on his looks and assume he can&#39;t pull it off. Perhaps you&#39;ve been judged on your looks all your life. And not in a positive manner? Go eat another twinkie, you fanboy.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Eccleston, davros72? I think you mean David Tennant

    by SpyGuy

    Eccleston is great if you want a fortysomething Joker with big ears and a booming Northern accent. If you want someone who is young, thin, with an angular Joker-like face and can do crazy, you want David Tennant.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ll stop, moto. Who cares, anyway. Right?

    by JDanielP

    God, ...I think I&#39;d rather get a verbal bashing, here in the talbacks, than no reaction at all. It&#39;s like I can hear the crickets chirping. Any Batman fans wanna read my stuff??? Oh, ...never mind. --And now, all of a sudden, it feels like it&#39;s been wasted effort. Does anyone out there like my ideas, my scripting, my take on where to go with the sequel? Does anyone HATE it? At least THAT would be SOMETHING.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:02 p.m. CST

    To EVERYONE crying about Crispin Glover

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    Obviously you guys just plain don&#39;t see where Chris Nolan is probably going with this cast. Crispin Glover from Day 1 seemed like the lamest choice of any of the forementioned actors aside from Robin Williams. Why? Because Crisipin Glover represents the "Joel Schumacher" Joker to me. The faggot, cartoony, flamboyant version hopping around in a purple pinstripped suit and spouting flat "murderous" one-liners with questionably queer enthusiam. You guys gotta remember, Nolan&#39;s not translating the exact image of The Joker from TAS to the big screen. It won&#39;t work. What I see with Heath Ledger is what could be a BADASS Joker. With the same creepy, homicidal humor after blowing somebody&#39;s brains out, but more humbled to reality. Fair hair with a tint of green... overwhelmingly pasty face... creepy form of a grin at his victims... black overcoast, per say. Obviously, those complaining about how pretty Heath Ledger is obviously forgot he&#39;ll be wearing make-up in this movie. Anything less than a completely mangled make-up job would be with just a hint of Heath familiarity behind it would be dissappointing to me. He may have the range to pull it off... as long as it&#39;s not another Jim Morrison chanelling like "Lords of Dogtown". Although this choice has grown on me a bit, I better walk away about as blown away as Nolan was by his performance. P.S. "The Dark Knight" fucking rules.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    This was a fucking...

    by Harysuxafat1

    horrid choice. In Nolan you trust eh? Fuck that shit, his dumb ass just sold you fuckers out for the flavor of the day. He can officially fuck himself after microwave villian and fagtastic joker. I hope this flops worse than Superman the remake. Fire this poor ignorant shit and start over.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:06 p.m. CST

    this is a WB casting decision...

    by lynxpro

    It doesn&#39;t feel like a Nolan decision...just as it was with Katie Holmes. Eccleston would have ruled as The Joker. I hope amongst all hopes for this film that Nolan & Co. are screwing with the online community and will make Ledger a "Jack Napier" (or Red Hood) who does not become The Joker. Just as they screwed with everyone by claiming that Neeson was playing Henri Ducard.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Hate Threads

    by Jak0lantern01

    We should combine this thread with one of the Transformers threads. There&#39;d be enough hate for a Ghostbusters sequel.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Im gonna rape Christopher Nolan

    by WolfmanNards

    the dipshit. The batsuit was fucking ugly, which paired up fine with the piss-stain batmobile. That little kid that shows up for no reason twice, somebody order him up a snapped neck. When the train is headed into Wayne Plaza and that old dude says "its gonna blow!" like a hundred times- fuck is that about? I get it, its gonna blow. NEXT SCENE! Oh, and him revealing his identity to Katie Holmes- thats about as out of character for batman, as it would be for me NOT to rape Christopher Nolan. FUCK!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:12 p.m. CST

    shut it, SpyGuy...Eccleston is the man for The Joker

    by lynxpro

    While I prefer Tennant as The Doctor over Eccleston, he&#39;d camp it up as The Joker. Eccelston would be mean, psycho, and a total danger without resorting to going over-the-top. His performance in "Dalek" alone earned him the right to be The Clown Prince of Crime.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:19 p.m. CST

    what next, Camryn Manheim as The Penguin?

    by lynxpro

    Go ahead, Warners, you know you want to. And then she&#39;ll battle Batman with her 300 ear piercings. The Utility Belt is no match for her earlobe arsenal. But in all seriousness, I&#39;d prefer Kate Winslett as Harley Quinn over Murphy. However, Jill Wagner is growing on me; although I&#39;d prefer it to be the opposite.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    I TRUST NOLAN...I&#39;LL WAIT AND SEE...

    by blackthought

    AND HOPEFULLY BE DAZZLED.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST

    I hope moviemack&#39;s okay

    by RedGobbo

    I figured he&#39;d be here by now foaming at the mouth about how THE DARK KNIGHT is the worst title they could have picked and how badly Heath Ledger will suck as The Joker.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:32 p.m. CST

    who really does look like a crazy menacing killer with

    by MikeCSVU

    have you not seen our Prime Minister Tony Blair? I though begins was pretty poor. Bales&#39; voice when Batman sucked. The action direction was awful. Hope they lay off the jump edits next time. The Batmobile was crap. Will be interesting to see how Ledger does. I&#39;d want to see the Joker as a truly evil psychopath. Would Nolan have the balls to let the Joker slit a kidnapped child&#39;s throat live on TV? Would Warners let him? Course not cos they want a 12 rating and to sell some more toys. Raime set the bar so high with the Spiderman franchise that I doubt Batman II - The Dark Knight, which is what it will end up being called, ( for the thick Americans. Remenber The Madness of King George IV had to be changed to The Madness of King George cos yanks wanted to know where they could rent the first three in test screenings. :-)) will come close to Spiderman 3.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:36 p.m. CST

    RedGobbo

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I do believe that ol&#39; moviemack got himself banned a short while ago. And if he is watching this TB, he is probably tearing out his hair. I&#39;ve heard rumor that he is now under the moniker "fortheloveofgod" but, of this, I&#39;m not convinced.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST

    MikeCSVU

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    You rude limey fuck.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:48 p.m. CST

    The Joker & the Batmobile

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I&#39;ve said this before but I think it&#39;s worth repeating: if Gary Oldman had not been cast as Gordon, he would have been my pick for The Joker (with Eccleston and Tim Roth being runners-up). Ledger is an interesting choice considering that they are going way dark on this upcoming version. I&#39;m game. -- The Batmobile: come on guys! The Tumbler was BADASS and represents a perfect origin-story vehicle for Batman to modify later on. Think of it as the "chassis" for the Batmobile to come. Sometimes, you catz just don&#39;t think very far ahead.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Thanks for the update Mr. Nice Gaius

    by RedGobbo

    Ill keep an eye peeled for this "fortheloveofgod" fellow but I can only hope he can match the vitriol of the ol&#39; mackster. I miss him.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:49 p.m. CST

    What, was Ben Affleck not available for the role?

    by smackfu

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 4:59 p.m. CST

    the Joker

    by emeraldboy

    Should be Jaoquin Phoenix.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:10 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s called "acting" guys...

    by Childe Roland

    ...not "being one&#39;s self." Who gives a hairy wet fuck what nationality an actor is if he (or she) can get the job done? By the [complete il]logic many of you are embracing with this "no furrners as American icons" bullshit, the only person they should have considered to play Batman in a live action film would&#39;ve been Bernie Goetz. Unfortunately, John Wayne Gacy is a little too dead to take on the Joker part, so we&#39;re going to have to settle for someone who can pretend he&#39;s an insane homicidal criminal with a penchant for laughing at unfunny shit. I&#39;m thinking if someone can do that, they can probably also pretend that character is from America pretty convincingly. And seriously, what&#39;s with all this recent "so-and-so is an American icon" stuff? I mean, even though I disagree with that interpretation of characters like Superman and Optimus Prime, I can at least see where someone might get started down that road with them (what with the "Truth, Justice and the American way" stuff and the red-white-and chrome color scheme). But Batman? The very reason he exists is because he believes the American criminal justice system is fucked up. He&#39;s a four-color criticism of the American way (and for a good chunk of comic history has been the biggest non-criminal pain in Superman&#39;s ass) and, some would argue, a would-be fascist, to boot. What, other than his fictional nationality, makes Batman an American icon?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:15 p.m. CST

    The stand out scene in the movie

    by emeraldboy

    Is when batman terrifies a bunch of falcones thugs at gothams docks. That scene was awesome, as was the scene where batman hoists a thug 40 ft in the air the look of unsurpressed rage was terrifying. how did they do that scene where bale face turns in to a bat face. that one really scared me something rotten. I loved the horror movie touch when all the pyschos are relased from arkham asylum. I cant wait for Dark Knight.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Interesting

    by DarthDooku

    i don&#39;t really see Ledger as Batman (i was hoping more like Johnny Depp), but i am willing to give him a chance, and hope to be super surprised. i hope he has a more comical take than Jack Nicholson&#39;s version of the character.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST

    I think Ledger can pull it off.

    by Turd Furgusen

    Mind out of the gutters TB-ers. He has proven, to me, at least that he has the acting chops. This is a pretty iconic role so I hope he can carry it. I am in the same boat with Gaius and yackbacker. Nolan did a great job with the origin foundation and now he can build on that with revisions in technology, the mansion, etc. He can also expound on the origin theme with the birth of the Joker and some other tidbits the Batman world has to offer. I just hope they truely make this Joker more sinister and menacing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:38 p.m. CST

    by _satori_

    Harley Quinn originated from TAS and was then added as a character to the comics, as such I don&#39;t see any use for her in a movie. If she were to be cast, though, I would have to pick Sheri Moon.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Is this where moviemack goes berserk?

    by Zarles

    Oh, wait. Never mind. He&#39;s banned. HA! Never fear, though - I&#39;m sure he&#39;s somewhere watching Brokeback Mountain for the 117th time while dressed entirely in purple denim, stroking his 3-incher while spitting vulgarities at the screen. "I&#39;VE GOT YOUR WONDERFUL TOYS RIGHT HERE, YOU DIRTY DIRTY MAN!" he yells in mid-climax, shooting his death spores all over the screen. Ah, summer...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I hope The Joker doesn&#39;t have henchmen in this movie

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    Heath&#39;s age comes into question if he&#39;s ordering a bunch of especially random goons around. But if he&#39;s his own, menacing serial killer... sweet. A few thugs to lend a hand wouldn&#39;t hurt if necessary. But NO henchmen. Too corny and cliche. At least Ra&#39;s was the leader of a fucking ninja clan.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 5:53 p.m. CST

    so...

    by hobblywobbly

    Does the coolness of the title Dark Knight cancel out the gayness of the Bareback mounting star?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:16 p.m. CST

    I see where you&#39;re coming from on the extrapolation...

    by Childe Roland

    ...argument, Yackbacker but , bottom line, vigilantism is illegal and not all costumed heroes are considered vigilantes (Captain America being an excellent example, anchorite). The very fact that you point out Batman&#39;s ideals aren&#39;t exclusively American kind of underlines my point. Anyone can identify with the idea of taking the law into one&#39;s own hands (just because Batman stops short of executions and doesn&#39;t jail the criminals in his own basement makes him no less a vigilante and no less a criminal by the standards of the law, despite Jim Gordon&#39;s willingness to allow him to conitnue). Again, Batman (at least as popularly depicted for most of our lifetimes) has been a wealthy man using his wealth to act illegally against a system he sees as corrupt to the point of needing his intervention. That just doesn&#39;t say American icon to me and neither, really, does anything you typed about him. Sorry.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Why is it called the dark knight?

    by fortheloveofgod

    What is it supposed to mean? Is there a villan called the dark knight or the knight or something? I thought this movie was about the Joker..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:27 p.m. CST

    fortheloveofgod

    by RedGobbo

    I said Id be watching for you!;) No, no villain that I know of named the dark knight or the knight. It&#39;s a sorta nickname batman picked up because he acts like a knight (A defender, champion, or zealous upholder of a cause or principle) but-get this-he&#39;s "dark". So he is&#39;nt so much about saving damsels in distress as he is about scaring the crap out of criminals.He&#39;s the godamn batman godamnit.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:31 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m not sure

    by Chief Redcock

    I&#39;m just... not... sure.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:32 p.m. CST

    Hopefully there is brokeback action

    by longshot7

    Fuck you homophobes!!!!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:39 p.m. CST

    DarthDooku I totally disagree

    by DOGSOUP

    "i hope he has a more comical take than Jack Nicholson&#39;s version of the character." No actually I hope he makes Jack&#39;s Joker look like Mr. Rogers. I hope NO ONE in the theatre roots for the Joker because he is more twisted, sick, and disgusting than Hannibal Lector. Whoever compared John Wayne Gacy to the Joker was right on-THAT&#39;S how fucked up the Joker should be. Not Funny-Fucking Sick. He should laugh at the sheep shank he tied out of a little girls intestines. If Heath is THAT "fearless" then we&#39;re going to be in for the best Joker ever.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Could go either way, but it&#39;s a choice

    by superninja

    that has me interested. That&#39;s for sure. Good luck to the cast and crew.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:53 p.m. CST

    JohnGalt06

    by Anna Valerious

    You obviously don&#39;t have estrogen running through your veins. Or saw "Breakfast On Pluto"... Man, I have weird hangups. Uh, anyway, I mentioned Kozi earlier, this is what he looked like back when he was in Malice Mizer- http://tinyurl.com/q9mrp

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Yack, I agree that Batman is not a fascist.

    by superninja

    It always annoys me when people make that claim. Bruce Wayne always struck me as a New Deal kind of guy. And yes, he&#39;s an American.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Bob Hoskins as the Penguin

    by superninja

    would be totally awesome.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Catwoman is tired. Really, she is nothing

    by superninja

    more than Batman&#39;s psycho-on-the-side. Her origin is lame, and all it is is an excuse to pour a hot chick into a tight outfit. There is, like, an entire internet community for you now. The rest of us would just like a good story. Harley, on the other hand, is an interesting character, but I agree she does not need to be in the first film the Joker shows up in. The Joker should not be killed off anyway, he should pop up again in the other movies.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:17 p.m. CST

    You Know, I actually hope they ditch the purple....

    by thecomedian

    For Black, I always loved Alex Ross&#39; painting of the Joker in a Black suit instead of a purple one because it&#39;s creepier and more menacing. It&#39;s okay for the Joker to be funny but he works alot better as "grinning creeping death man". He&#39;s so much better when he&#39;s disturbing and frightening. The black suit, white shirt, frilly black tie with the blood shot eyes look that Alex Ross does owns.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Unfortunately, I have been at work today.

    by superninja

    I perused and noticed the number of Brokeback references. Le sigh.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Catwoman&#39;s gonna need her own movie

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    She&#39;s only lame as a fucking guest star. Give her her own movie in the scale of "Begins", she&#39;s just as tortured as Bruce Wayne depending on what you do with her back-story. Obviously Frank Miller&#39;s origin would be a start. Shannyn Sossamon is one I thought would make a pretty unique yet classic Catwoman. I&#39;m not particularly sold anymore. There&#39;s a lot of other actresses out there.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST

    I am busy on the latest Iron Man thread

    by superninja

    promoting Terrance Howard as Tony Stark.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Gag. Catwoman is tortured alright.

    by superninja

    She&#39;s also real one note. Another man hating ass-kicking, bad girl. This has already been done to death.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    I agree with Rolande

    by moondoggy2u

    Batman, although american, is not an american icon. Batman&#39;s story, his theme and motiffs are largely psychological, not national. Superman, Spiderman, Optimus Prime, etc. have american themes (both cultural and otherwise), but characters like Batman, Thor, Hulk, and Wolverine have completely different themes and ideaologies and have almost nothing to do with the american ideal or way of life, unless, that is, you are bending the character&#39;s traits to your own personal political view point. The creators and characters, however, have obviously had far different messages and content than say, Optimus or Superman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Bring on the skank-free Wonder Woman

    by superninja

    movie.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I agree Superninja

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    That&#39;s why it could be used as a vehicle to change the genre if done right. But yeah... the Charlie&#39;s Angels, Aeon Flux, Trinity from The Matrix, Resident Evil, Ultraviolet thing has been done enough for one decade. Halle Berry&#39;s Catwoman certainly closed the deal on that one.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Nolan&#39;s Dark Knight

    by Barron34

    I am a big fan of Batman Begins. I still think Ledger is a questionable choice, but Nolan will hopefully show me otherwise. Ledger is a good actor, but he just does not seem like the Joker to me. He is too young, for one, and seems too introverted and internal an actor. Bettany or Eccleston seem like much, much better ideas: tall, intense guys who are not young pretty boys like Ledger. Tim Roth has the right kind of persona, but he is too short for the Joker. Eccleston and Bettany can both play psychotic and scary. Anyway, I hope Ledger and Nolan will defy my initial expectations.*****Someone mentioned Ed Norton for Harvey Dent. I always thought Norton would make a good Green Arrow. Look at his performance in American History X, amongst others. I think Liev Schreiber, who has been much discussed for Dent, would make a good Dent/Two-Face. Tommy Lee Jones was well-cast as Dent, but the movie and direction was obviously a total abortion. Jim Carrey was trying to out-do Nicholson&#39;s Joker, and Tommy Lee Jones was trying to act like Jim Carrey. Two-Face is not a cackling kook; he is a low, menacing crime-lord with a split-personality. Look at Schreiber&#39;s performance as the brainwashed assassin in the remake of The Manchurian Candidate. He can play the good-guy/slcik lawyer who was a crusading crimefighter, turned into a menacing madman criminal. Two-Face is both a tragic figure AND a brilliantly insane criminal. He is not some over-the-top caricature, but is rather a very, very dangerous psychopath. Part of the tragedy is that he was practically Bruce Wayne&#39;s friend, and certainly one of Batman&#39;s few allies, back when he was just Dent, crusading D.A. Schreiber would be excellent in this role.*****For those who say that the more extreme villains do not belong in the Nolanverse Batman: the conversation between Batman and Gordon at the end of Batman Begins is the clue: Nolan is going to ratchet up the theatricality and weirdness of the films as the franchise moves forward. Just as Bats uses his mysterious image as a psychological weapon against criminals, we will see the Joker (and others) use their weird and scary masks and images as psychological terros and weapons against their own victims and enemies. There will be an escalation, but it will be grounded in the realistic baseline that Nolan established in the first movie.*****The title of "The Dark Knight" is a perfectly good one. It is not "The Dark Knight Returns", but rather "The Dark Knight". If this franchise runs half as long as the Bond franchise, they could end Bale&#39;s career as Batman with a REAL "Dark Knight Returns" movie starring him when he is in his 50s. I can imagine that, after many years and many Nolan-based Batman movies, the franchise will be left to rest after a while, and then Bale and comapny could come back for a grand finale, a final trilogy based upon Miller&#39;s "Dark Knight Returns". Probably wishful thinking, but not beyond the realm of possibility.*****A note on Ras Al Ghul for those who are unhappy that we did not get a film version of the character faithful to the comic villain: who says the Henri Ducard/Liam Neeson character in Batman Begins really IS Ras Al Ghul? Ducard is just another front man/agent of Ras Al Ghul. Ducard is one of Ras Al Ghul&#39;s agents, and is no more the real Ras Al Ghul than the Asian Guy who pretends to be Ras Al Ghul at Bruce Wayne&#39;s birthday party in Batman Begins. Ducard is just another agent of Ras Al Ghul&#39;s (albeit a highly skilled and senior lieutenant/agent) who is used as another prop for deception and misdirection by the League of Shadows. Ducard&#39;s death is just the end of one cell of the League of Shadows organization. Bruce Wayne has not even met the real Ras Al Ghul, and believes him to be dead (for a second time). A master of deception like Ras Al Ghul would not expose himself directly to an unproven element like the untested Bruce Wayne, and now Al Ghul (wherever he is) knows that Wayne is an enemy and not a useful tool, whereas the fledgling vigilante Wayne has no idea that this criminal mastermind even exists anymore, much less what he looks like and what his true plans and capabilities are.******

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Wait till you find out who Two Face is played by

    by jackinitraw

    Ryan Witherspoon (Phillipe)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Put it to you this way...

    by moondoggy2u

    Casablanca&#39;s main character is an american, but the themes and characters have almost nothing to do with americana, but rather personal relationships and cynicism. Sure, if someone tried hard enough, they could compare Rick with national policies, but then again, were someone willing to warp reality enough, one could compare and contrast The Cat and the Hat with Bill Clinton. I am sure, however, that the stories and characters were never intended for such allegory.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:50 p.m. CST

    DeNiro for Killer Croc

    by The Dum Guy

    Imagine it: "Are you talking to me? Are you talking to me!? Cause, I don&#39;t see any other six foot tall pseudo-reptiles around here, so you must be talking to me!"

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST

    seconded on Rosario!

    by lynxpro

    Then again, I&#39;ve been stressing for awhile now that Rosario should be re-assigned any film role that the casting directors initially thought to give to Halley Berry. Catwoman, Storm, etc. I also think Rosario would look better in the Catsuit than Berry.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    You&#39;re right, moondoggy.

    by superninja

    At least, not outwardly, no he is not a symbol. Batman to me seems like a New Deal Democrat, the wealth and education channelled into social justice. I do think this perspective is American, however.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:53 p.m. CST

    the NEW Joker

    by acebandage

    In the new movie, Joker, dressed in an undertaker&#39;s suit with his face chemically stretched into a face not unlike the Gentlemen from Buffy the Vampire Slayer&#39;s "Hush" episode, is anally raping James Gordon while our hero Batman is bound to a bed in the corner forced to watch. He is screaming at the Joker to stop with the madness and Joker says, "Oh Bats, what a dirty mouth you have on you" as he drops a deuce in Batman&#39;s mouth. If you think that was cool, you might just love the new Batman movie. As for me, I&#39;ll stick with something closer to the comics...like the Adam West Batman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Bojangles, I think Catwoman is only interesting

    by superninja

    in the context of her relationship to Batman. And even that is iffy - she is a sexual temptation, nothing deeper. Because the desire is to get the two together which means Catwoman has to become good or Batman has to compromise his morals.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 7:59 p.m. CST

    yack, is it that much of a stretch.

    by moondoggy2u

    Optimus: red, white, blue, and speaks with a john wayne voice and body language. Batman: black (or grey and blue) and is fighting crime because of intense childhood trauma. Optimus: leadership, self sacrifice, and strength. Batman: duality of psychological weakness and physical strength coupled with an orphan complex. Trust me, if anything, Batman&#39;s themes are freudian and jungian, not american. Yeah, Wayne is an american, but his story has very VERY little to do wtih americanism.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8 p.m. CST

    Barron34

    by lynxpro

    I have a feeling good ol&#39; Ra&#39;s will be back in Part III, and revealed to have manipulated events in the film we will next see. He&#39;s too good of a villain to be killed off because he truly is Batman&#39;s nemesis because they are equals. They are the flip-sides of the same coin. The Joker is not the flip-side of Batman unless one subscribes to the Tim Burton view of the characters, to which I do not. My feelings are that Ra&#39;s is not dead, but it is currently not the ideal to reveal that he survived. Better to dangle Talia in front of Bruce for a bit to distract him in the meantime, and recruit more proxies like The Joker to fight (and further test) The Batman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I&#39;m not saying prime is like capt. america

    by moondoggy2u

    but i am saying that he is clearly using americana as his character motiff. Not so with Batman.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Batman&#39;s American Nature

    by Barron34

    It is true that Batman is not overtly nationalistic like Superman or Captain America, and it is also true that the psychological and archetypical nature of the character and his mythos are universal to human nature, but there is a cultural aspect to the character that relates to modern industrial/post-industrial more generally, and American society in particular. Whereas Batman represents the "dayside" and more positive aspects of America and the modern idea of civilization, Batman represents the "nightside" and negative aspects of America and modern society, much in the same way that film noir represents the psychological under-belly of America, especially post-war America. Superman is sort of the American Dream, whereas Batman (and his proxies/enemies) represents the Nightmare. Just as Dreams often are more straightforward and benign than nightmares, so Superman is more clearly American than Batman, but Batman and Gotham DO relate to the underside of urban decay and the negative aspect of the American psyche. The thing is, urban alienation and the unexpressed dark themes of Batman translate somewhat more easily outside of America than the more explicit American/nationalistic elements of Superman. Clark Kent grew up in the American Dream, whereas Bruce Wayne was violently thrown into the American Nightmare when his parents were miurdered. Frank Miller deals with this quite brilliantly in "The Dark Knight Returns". Some of the criticism and analysis of film noir and the falseness of the post-war consumer culture of the 50s can be aplied to Batman, who is essentially a noir influenced superhero, amongst other things. But, Batman belongs to the world, even though he was born in America.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:07 p.m. CST

    I don&#39;t like Adam Hughes&#39; Wonder Woman much.

    by superninja

    She looks too porny. I prefer a tall, healthy, leggy, athletic looking girl with some curves. Bolland Wonder Woman: http://www.jensantarelli.com/forbidden/bollandgallery/wonderwoman/wonderwoman-63.jpg. One of the @$$holes referred to Lynda Carter&#39;s Wonder Woman once as ice cream. She&#39;s hot, but there&#39;s something nice about her. What we don&#39;t need is another Xena wannabe or anymore of Wheedon&#39;s teenage lesbian fantasies.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:11 p.m. CST

    Correction

    by Barron34

    "Whereas SUPERMAN represents the dayside" NOT "whereas Batman reprsents the dayside" . Ugh. Superman: dayside and American Dream. Batman: nightside and Universal Nightmare. Discuss. Or not.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:26 p.m. CST

    yack, dont get me wrong

    by moondoggy2u

    I&#39;m not saying that batman hasnt BECOME a part of american culture. However, the character and plot of Batman was not intended to be representational: it was just a noir superhero. With Prime, the version you and I know, anyway, the INTENT was for him to have american characteristics and thus be easily identifiable. I&#39;ll grant you, there are elements of Batman that are american in nature (after all, his creators and their successors) were/are largely american, but the THEME of batman was never american. Again, our culture has evolved around batman, and in that sense, you could consider him american, I suppose, but prime&#39;s conception was to INCORPORATE american themes to sell more toys. That&#39;s all I&#39;m saying, yack. Yeah, im sure some guys could argue about american industrialism/social order kinda stuff, but that exists EVERYWHERE, not just america. Batman&#39;s themes are noirish and human, not idealic and certainly not allagorical.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Miller and Moore&#39;s Batman Versus Bob Kane&#39;s

    by Barron34

    They are not as far apart as you might think. I really think that the basic elements of Batman were ALWAYS there. They were just there unconciously back in the old days of the Golden Age. I mean, how fucking weird is the idea of some guy dressing up as a bat and going out at night to fight criminals? It IS pretty fucking weird. And it is, by nature, primal and elemental, very similar to many similar characters in human mythology, just updated and applied to modern technological urban society. And as happy-go-lucky, no-psychological-undertones-here the Bob Kane/Bill Finger era Batman TRIED to be, the idea of Batman ALWAYS was dark and a bit disturbing anyway. And Bob Kane and Bill Finger included this in the character anyway. Bruce Wayne&#39;s parents WERE murdered by a criminal, Wayne DID dress up like a bat (how weird) with the express intent of preying upon the suspcious and primitive minds of criminals, and Batman&#39;s villains WERE evener stranger than him, criminally murderous clowns and penguin-men running rackets in a corrupt Gotham City. If anything, Moore and Miller just tore the mask off the character and exposed it for what it is, updating it with more current language and expression. Frankly, I find the smiling Golden Age Batman a little more creepy than the more modern one. If someone murdered my parents and drove me to dress up as a bat and fight deranged clown criminals, I don&#39;t think I would be smiling, and if I was, it would be a healthy kind of a smile. Miller and Moore recognized all of this unspoken stuff that was inherent in the character, and made it more explicit, and therefore more contemporary and literate. But, I would argue that this stuff was all already there with the character. You can choose to see it all as silly, and not take it seriously (in which case you end up with Adam West&#39;s Batman, or even worse, the Schumacher abortions), or you can take it seriously, in which case you end up with brilliant work, like Miller&#39;s "Dark Knight Returns", or an excellent Batman film, like Christopher Nolan&#39;s "Batman Begins".

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Damn Typos

    by Barron34

    "If someone murdered my parents and drove me to dress up as a bat and fight deranged clown criminals, I don&#39;t think I would be smiling, and if I was, I DON&#39;T THINK it would be a healthy kind of a smile." They really need to put an edit function on these talkbacks. How difficult would it be for Harry and his people to do this. Ugh.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Baccarin is not Amazonian.

    by superninja

    But she might be okay. As for Hughes, I said his WW is porny, not a porn star (for porn star, see Deodato). They were also discussing an Indian actress whose name escapes me. I have no problem with Wonder Woman being more ethnic looking.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Superninja. About that Catwoman thing...

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    I agree to the extent with that. She has historically been the exception to Batman&#39;s seemingly rigid moral code. This is kind of what I meant when I said Catwoman would be lame as only a guest star in one of these movies. For her to resurface as a villain in Nolan&#39;s bat-flicks, she would pose no actual threat like a Joker or a Penguin would. She would merely be eyecandy for Batman to swap one-liners and french kisses on rooftops with. But I also think she has had the most (repeatedly) wasted potential in the comic-book film industry aside from Batman himself. (But they fixed that, didn&#39;t they.) This brings me to the point that as cliche as the "ass-kicking woman in tight leather" genre is, Catwoman would either need her own canvas to work on or nothing at all. Frankly, she is a character that began as a villainess love interest and has pretty much evolved into her very own Batman in the comic book industry. That which CAN be translated to film if done right. But the chances of that are slim to none. And god knows we don&#39;t need another rehashing of the "tragic" love-story as-told in Batman Returns. Performance wise, that is the definitive Catwoman. But it was unfortunately wasted in a luke-warm, noir-drenched Tim Burton dramedy and an even crappier spin-off star-vehicle. Bottomline, I believe it can be done and clearly disagree she&#39;s merely a two-dimension "Barbie" for Batman&#39;s "Ken". But totally agree she&#39;s a character better left untouched on film given plenty of circumstances. Especially for awhile.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Yackbacker...

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I would say that Batman is an Amercian icon and Optimus Prime is a Cybertronian icon. Yeah. That sounds about right. ;-)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Bojangles, Catwoman has had her own comic

    by superninja

    book for some time now, and she is a much stronger character for it.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Post an ACTOR, not a "HEARTTHROB"

    by Darkfalz

    Heath has never proven himself as an actor. He&#39;s girl bait, full stop, and girl bait is not going to work as the Joker, unless they are planning "sexy joker"...

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:49 p.m. CST

    If they are planning to tart up the Joker

    by superninja

    I am out for sure!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Yack. Will anchorite finally

    by superninja

    give up his dream of Rhodes being the main villain?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by xXMr_BoJaNgLeSXx

    Word.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 8:59 p.m. CST

    Ten alternative Jokers

    by FrankLanguage

    If BB handlers want a think-outside-the-box choice for Joker, here&#39;s ten that would be more amusing, if not better than Heath Ledger 1) Sean William Scott as a homicidal Finch 2/3) Robin Williams or Will Ferrell, preferably coked up & allowed to improvise 4) Leslie Nielsen doing his Naked Gun schtick, but his antics actually maim people 5) Woody Allen in a pimp suit & green wig 6) James Callis 7) Jeff Goldblum (would be imposing with that fro and size) 8) Bruce Campbell 9) Jason Mewes 10) Eric Bana in unhinged &#39;Chopper&#39; mode

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:06 p.m. CST

    BROKEBAT MOUNTAIN!

    by Zarles

    I officially claim ownership to that phrase. Carry on.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Zarles-- it&#39;s already been done

    by The Dum Guy

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:25 p.m. CST

    THIS TOWN (no...the WB) NEEDS AN ENEMA!

    by KongMonkey

    I&#39;d have been happy with Hugo Weaving as the Joker, hell even Robin Williams. Either way, not a single person will probably ever top Jack Nicholson in the role. Why are they redoing the villains anyways. Bring on some new ones or reboot the ones who were wasted. Namely...BANE! The only brokeback Bane knows of...is Batmans!(cheese humor)

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    by sentient

    http://tinyurl.com/jkfl2 A mock up I tried to pull all Cesar Romero&#39;ish.. I just dont see him in this role. I guess it might work just fine if his makeup was total artistic reinvent..

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Film to be shot in UK or Aust?

    by Kenny8

    America, do they make big movies there anymore?

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 9:55 p.m. CST

    sigh . . .

    by Mechasheeva

    ugh. he played a homosexual in a movie. that doesn&#39;t mean he&#39;s gay. besides, he&#39;s gonna play a maniac in a purple suit, so it wouldn&#39;t be a bad idea if he was, would it? f$*%ing homophobes . . .

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Why does Heath = Gay to you guys???

    by moto

    He&#39;s not gay. Like Mech says, he starred in a gay movie. He&#39;s a fucking actor. Shit, if you bitch about him then your favorite character Wolverine is fucking gay because Jackman won a Tony for playing an uber gay guy. And Tom Hanks is gay then too. So is Al Pacino. And a number of other reputable actors. Give me a frickin&#39; break. Are you THAT homophobic? I don&#39;t get it. Wait, I&#39;m defending a guy who played a gay character in a movie, so even though I&#39;m married and have a son... I&#39;m gay. Get over it. You think they are going to "gay up" Joker because of Ledger?? It&#39;s people like you that make TBers look friggin&#39; retarded.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:28 p.m. CST

    by sentient

    http://tinyurl.com/krnbs That is more than likely the direction Nolan will take with the reinvisioned Joker. I know they guy who made this costume. He started this whole self mutilated Joker concept that everyones talking about now.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST

    by sentient

    In closing if heaths get up and face matched this take. All he would need a is a slick leather white hat (same as trench)- brim down low over his face hiding his eyes to add the final hook to the look. I havent seen these pics in a while and I still think this costume is bad ass!

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:40 p.m. CST

    too bright

    by Mechasheeva

    doesn&#39;t fit at all with nolan&#39;s chosen color scheme for these movies. nah, we&#39;re getting a black (or dark, dark purple) wearing joker, probably with a tinge of dark green in the hair rather than day-glo green. and im pulling for a horribly scarred, ridiculously scary look rather than just the white makeup look. that is a pretty cool outfit, though i&#39;m not sure how i feel about those purple pants . . .

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST

    You could have him in a black suit

    by superninja

    with purple pinstripes and a purple flower on the lapel. Spats and tails and a green vest. Theatrical, but muted colors and small details. I think you can give him the white face and dark green greasy hair. The animated version later had black lips instead of read which made him more menacing.

  • Aug. 1, 2006, 11:11 p.m. CST

    BB was insipid...

    by Harysuxafat1

    lazy writing and this is idiotic I sold you mutherfuckers down the river casting. After that awful microwave bullshit in the first one I&#39;m not buying it. This movie is gonna suck ass. Perhaps the new reinvented Superman will do better.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Sentient...

    by CRanapia

    Holy crap! I see WB going for the Joker as self-mutilated S&M goth the day Bryan Singer (who is gay, get over it retards) gets the greenlight to give Superman an R-rated codpiece. :)

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Great casting

    by Freakemovie

    Mark my words. Three years from now we&#39;ll be looking back on it like it was a no-brainer and all the haters will forget they ever nay-sayed.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Hey Sentient!

    by acebandage

    Do I know you? I saw the pix of your Joker costume and make up (not bad, by the way) and I recognized Wonder Woman!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    gay? What about Bale?

    by Laser Floyd

    In Velvet Goldmine Obi Wan shtupped Batman in the films *ahem* climax. Two men screwing is kind of gay to me.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST

    Talia

    by oisin5199

    wasn&#39;t there a rumor of someone up for Talia in the next movie? Was it Radhel Weisz? I seem to remember it was somebody that sounded good.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:11 a.m. CST

    Ledger

    by The Dum Guy

    I really don&#39;t see any reason why this would seem like a bad casting call, we already know he can physically intimidate Batman, since he can pin a guy easily (obligatory gay inuendo). Not to mention he was nominated for several awards, including the Oscars. That means we get to see the Joker being portrayed on the big screen twice (in a row) by reasonably accomoplished actors, so one can only hope he is portrayed even more maniacal.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:17 a.m. CST

    Ledger has won several awards in the industry..

    by Darth Evil Dead

    He won Best Queer Kiss with his fag lover Jake Gyllenhaal at the MTV Movie Awards for Brokeback. Snoooooooooooooch !!!!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Based on his accent in Dogtown he deserves to be Joker

    by bipple

    as long as THEY ALL READ ARKHAM ASYLUM with Dave Mckean&#39;s artwork during before and after every scene it will be awesome, plus some chick has to be the Bat&#39;s woman and she has to hang upside down oblivious of the irony YOUR FUCKING WELCOME

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST

    BRILLIANT title, interesting casting choice.

    by brokentusk

    At first I was against it, because there are other actors I&#39;d have picked ahead of Ledger, but now that it&#39;s sinking in... I think it could work. While Adrien Brody and Crispin Glover (who, let&#39;s face it - was NEVER going to get the part when they could cast ANY A-list actor they wanted), already look perfect for the role, Ledger has the pretty boy thing going for him which is a direction I THINK Goyer wants to go with the character in terms of explaining why he is so maniachal - you know, pretty boy, turned fucked up scarred maniac... could work out great as motivation for the character. I heard they&#39;re going after Phillip Seymour Hoffman for The Pengiun - now THAT is solid casting right there!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Catwoman and Falcone

    by jocutus

    I kow most people seem to think she&#39;s a one-note foil for Bats, but I though current comic continuity had her as the long-lost illegitimate daughter of Falcone. Now that he&#39;s part of the movie continuity it makes it a possible entry point for that character as a villian or hero, either taking over the family buisiness or acting as a vigilante against the mob inspired by seeing Batman in action ( a la "Batman: Year One) and motivated by her daddy/ abandonment issues.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:13 a.m. CST

    QTN

    by adambalm

    is a funny, funny man...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST

    anchorite

    by Lost Prophet

    Sorry to return to this but, as I was trying to explain to Rebeck- but he was ignoring the point- we don&#39;t give a toss if you cast an American in British parts, just cast the right American. George Clooney would be a fucking horrid Bond, and Haley Joel was totally wrong for Harry Potter. Whilst I am on this, Mike CSVU- if your going to try to be clever get the fucking title right it was Madness of George III. You twat, what a way to undermine us all, thanks. You make me ashamed to be British. Rant over. Back to the point- I think he would be good, but Eccleston would have been inspired casting (yes I know he is British), or even, why not Hugh Laurie- I&#39;ve never seen him play a maniac, but I bet he could given a chance.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:38 a.m. CST

    The plot

    by Darth Hogan

    Batman has to track down the maniac who made sweet love to his ass by moonlight.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:07 a.m. CST

    YB

    by Lost Prophet

    I know, I know- that CSVU tool just riled me and I know that if I don&#39; t pick the arsehole up on his stupidity some American will and the crowing will be unbearable. BTW I just finished laughing at your godfather musical- what do you think of the Hugh Laurie idea?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Ledger is going to be great

    by Ricky Henderson

    You just can&#39;t see it yet, but if you look at his role in "Brothers Grimm," you get a taste of what his role should be like. Also, I&#39;d be really surprised if he wore much purple. This will be light years away from what we saw with Nicholson. My guess is that Nolan is going to play up the psychopath angle and play down the clown element. Scarecrow and Rais Al Ghul (sp?) were pretty far removed from the comicbook villans we&#39;ve become accustomed to. They were more grounded in reality. I&#39;m expecting a similar thing from Ledger as the Joker.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Yeah Yack, the Mets are starting to worry me

    by Ricky Henderson

    Despite being 15 games up over the Braves, their problems include: a creaky starting pitching rotation, issues in the outfield (Millege&#39;s "T.O. attitude" scares the bejeezus out of me), a much weaker bullpen now that Sanchez is gone, and several key players in hitting slumps. Perez is a young player with that "upside potential" that all those idiot sportscasters like to talk about. Peterson thinks he can work with him, but I&#39;m not sold. He sounds like Victor Zombrano all over again.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Jesus Yack

    by Lost Prophet

    when do you sleep? or work? or eat? good idea for Two Face BTW.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet...

    by Rebeck

    I don&#39;t know if you&#39;re still here, but I understand what you&#39;re saying and I get your point. Unfortunately, I feel you still missed or ignored MY point, but... I guess it&#39;s just a language barrier. LOL. You seem like a good guy. And you&#39;re absolutely right to call that other Brit out on the King George comment because it is exactly the kind of arrogant, superior, condescending crap that your countrymen so often do on here that just reinforces that you ARE really snobs. You have made some very sincere and intelligent points, but I still have to ask why it is every American named for an English role is horribly wrong, while at the same time every actor with a British passport is perfect for seemingly EVERY role! When you can name at least ONE American actor that you would trust with the talent and professionalism to play an English part, maybe then will I think my generalization about a double standard was wrong. Of course I understand about not wanting a British story "transferred" callously onto US soil...but then I was never talking about that to begin with. The truth is I&#39;m not that huge a Batman fan. The last one was great, all the others sucked for me; so I&#39;m not really invested in who plays what - and as I said, all the Brits did excellent work in the last one, especially Bale. (But I think casting Wilkenson as Falcone was a dead giveaway of Nolan&#39;s bias... Cuz when you think New York-type gangster, you naturally think British character actor) My point was not to trash your country or your actors, it was to open your eyes to a certain hypocrisy - and, frankly, arrogance. Something you accuse us Yanks of frequently. If anyone goes back and reads my posts, they will see that for the most part I make my points the hard way, by supporting what I&#39;m saying not just hurling insults. Yackbacker, on the other hand, you&#39;re just a fucking asshole for calling me a "junkyard dog". I don&#39;t know WHAT your nationality is but whatever you are you&#39;re a native-born know-it-all PRICK. If only more people conducted their "debates" like you, LP... The talkback would be a much nicer place. In the future, just consider what I said about the double standard. And hopefully the UK will start to make more movies of its own, so you won&#39;t feel so "invaded" by us.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Two-Face

    by Mechasheeva

    The current rumor is Ryan Philippe. But that just won&#39;t do. Simple won&#39;t do at all . . . Edward Norton, Liev Schrieber, or . . . Josh Lucas (a little unproven, but he&#39;s got a MEAN glare) would all do just fine. Norton, though . . . well, he should be in everything.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:39 a.m. CST

    Hold up, there, Yackbacker...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I didn&#39;t call Batman an American icon first. Others on the board did. I asked them to explain how that is, &#39;cause I still don&#39;t see it. There&#39;s no doubt he grew out of American culture and sprang from the mind of an American creator, but so does a lot of shit that many consider patently un-American. Even Castro played baseball. My point is, I can understand where a guy like moondoggy might ascribe American values to a G1 Prime from the cartoon oe how anybody might look at Captain America or Superman (again, with his reference to "The American Way") as American icons, but Bats isn&#39;t the same thing. In my oopinion, he really isn&#39;t even close. Great hero. Necessary hero. Not an American icon. I wouldn&#39;t have had to make that point if someone else hadn&#39;t called him one, so don&#39;t try to hang the terminology on me like I&#39;m intentionally stacking the argument. I&#39;m just playing the cards that were dealt. And I&#39;m sorry I drove you nuts all night with one post (I didn&#39;t lose any sleep over this at all). Does the notion that not everyone is going to agree with you on everything really rock your world that much?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:44 a.m. CST

    Watch "Candy", then get back to me

    by theoneofblood

    Fucking homophobes and retards here today. Heath Ledger is a very talented actor. Are you really that jealous of the fact that he looks good? Anybody who watches the "cold turkey" scene in Candy and still says that Heath can&#39;t do manic is just plain mentally deficient.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:56 a.m. CST

    Or course Castro played baseball Childe Roland

    by Ricky Henderson

    Cuba is where half the good baseball prospects come from. That probably validates your point, which I really don&#39;t feel like decoding at the moment.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Rebeck

    by Lost Prophet

    I can&#39;t off the top of my head think of an American actor that I would like to see play James Bond or Harry Potter, but there are very few of any nationality that I am happy with playing those roles. The most loathsome suggestion for Bond so far has easily been that fat useless ex take that prick Robbie Williams- English to the core! The point I was trying to make about English Actors playing American roles is just that- they are acting, whereas there is a tendency (best shown by U571) for the translators not to cast American actors in English roles, but to rewrite the whole fucking story to suit America- even down to a complete rewrite of History. For the record, Some of the my happiest theatre going memories are of watching American actors in Shakespearen roles- Dustin Hoffman in The Merchant of Venice leaps to mind- so I know it can well be done. Cheers for the compliment- maybe that is why I got banned last time. The double standard that you refer to is often an invention of the rabid tabloid press- and not actually what a lot of us think. If you want an American actor ruining an iconic English figure- Kevin Costner in Robin Hood. The worst casting of all time.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson would be a great Two-Face

    by Ricky Henderson

    He appears normal and well behaved on one side, but them he flips the coin, and BAM! he&#39;s suddenly spouting anti-semetic comments about how the Jews start all the wars in the world. Box office gold.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Mel Gibson would be a great Two-Face

    by Ricky Henderson

    He appears normal and well behaved on one side, but them he flips the coin, and BAM! he&#39;s suddenly spouting anti-semetic comments about how the Jews start all the wars in the world. Box office gold.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:55 a.m. CST

    see I knew I&#39;d suck you in

    by Lost Prophet

    I know hoffman was playing a jew living in venice- it was still a great performance. My point was that I don&#39;t give a toss about nationalities- it is all in the performance.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 9:56 a.m. CST

    I can&#39;t think of news that has amused me

    by Lost Prophet

    as much as Mel Gibson fucking up. Brilliant. And BTW- he is your archetype anti-english model.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:21 a.m. CST

    All those Greek/Roman movies have british accents in em

    by Ricky Henderson

    Who exactly decided that the people living in ancient rome talked like the Brits? Everyone knows they spoke bebop.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Brad Pitt was meant to have a British Accent

    by Lost Prophet

    could have fooled me. AARGH am having horrid Troy flashbacks now CUUUURSE YOU ALLL

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Didn&#39;t Enemy At the Gates...

    by Childe Roland

    ...do a similar thing with the British accent representing the Russians and all of the Germans speaking with American accents? I seem to remember that being the case and being both amused and baffled by the decision.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST

    wouldn&#39;t be surprised

    by Lost Prophet

    whilst we are on this useless casting- I would like to nominate the following for a lifetime shit accent award: Kevin Costner for his outstanding work in RObin Hood, Keanu Reeves for, well, everything, Jude Law for Cold Mountain, and Nicholas Cage for his truly appaling gotta lotta pasta accent in Captain Corelli&#39;s Mandolin. Hideous, all of them.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:49 a.m. CST

    LP...

    by Rebeck

    I got it. You&#39;re repeating yourself, dude. I got the U571 thing - we&#39;ve all got it, LOL. I&#39;ve been talking about actors and you keep talking about the work of writers and producers basically. No offense, but I think you DO give a toss about nationality. I think you really do. But so be it. And as bad as Kevin Costner&#39;s accent (or lack thereof) was, I still think Robin Hood is a lot of fun, a good popcorn movie. I think people&#39;s HORROR at the blasphemy of that, including yours, is just a tad bit exagerated and sort of fits into my whole view of what we&#39;ve been talking about.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST

    no- I think we have been talking at X purposes

    by Lost Prophet

    You seem to be suggesting that it is a blanket dislike of non-British Actors, and I am saying that is not the case. Robin Hood is a piece of purely English Mythology (unlike Arthurian Legend which is a combination of celtic and French legends) played abysmally by Kevin Costner. Now if you can&#39;t see what is soooo wrong with that performance- not the actor- then fuck it. We&#39;ll agree to differ and move on. IMO it was a fucking terrible movie, but no worse than other attempts at that story- which people seem to be incapable of adapting.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:10 a.m. CST

    Harley Quinn

    by corky1031

    It was rumored a while ago that Emily Watson was being thought about to play the role of psychologist Harleen Quinzel, of Arkham Asylum. Apparently Goyer and Nolan have said that Harley Quinn will be involved in the franchise, whether it&#39;s in part 2 or 3. I don&#39;t want to see Jenny McCarthy in a Batman movie. And you people are complaining about Heath Ledger, come on.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Morgan Freeman...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and Alan Rickman were really the only things worth watching in Robin Hood. Costner&#39;s accent was horrid, there&#39;s just no getting around that. And whoever told Keanu he should ever try and tackle a British accent (in Dracula was his first attempt, I believe) much less Shakespeare (Much Ado About Nothing, indeed) should have his acting coach&#39;s license revoked. These aren&#39;t just crimes against English literature and language, these are crimes against humanity (if you suffered through either of those movies, you know this to be true).

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Are all the aintitcoolnews posters A.D.D. or something

    by buckatwater

    I was gonna post about Heath Ledger being the joker in The Dark Knight, and you clowns are now talking about Mel Gibson being Two-Face. Way to stray from the topic. Anyway, I like Heath Ledger as the The Joker. Nolan hasn&#39;t given us any reason not to like the decision. Were all just picky little fucks who like to bitch and moan about anything. I think this movie is gonna be great no matter who gets cast. It&#39;s just not the same reaction when we all creamed ourselves when Bale was cast as Batman. (Don&#39;t tell me you didn&#39;t)

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Well that was like 10 posts ago. I think I have A.D.D.

    by buckatwater

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST

    If they put Harley in . . .

    by Mechasheeva

    I&#39;ll be less than enthused. She always just annoyed the hell outta me . . . but I could see Nolan maybe introducing Harleen as a criminal psychiatrist (perhaps Crane&#39;s replacement? Ohh, Mecha, you genius!) who ends up treating the Joker at Arkham at the end of The Dark Night . . . paving the way for her to help him escape and become Harley in Part 3. But who to play her in this dark, gritty Gotham (NOT Brittany Murphy . . .)?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:32 a.m. CST

    We were talking about A.D.D. like ten posts ago..

    by adambalm

    Now we&#39;re talking about rainbows and cute little brown bunnies. Try to keep up you fucking tool.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:34 a.m. CST

    We were talking about

    by Lost Prophet

    A.D what?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST

    News Bulletin

    by Jak0lantern01

    Brett Ratner doesn&#39;t like Harry Knowles. Upset by a scathing, yet honest review, maybe? LOL!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Batman an American Icon

    by corky1031

    I&#39;ve been skimming through the posts, I just saw a post above discussing whether Batman is an American icon. I think he represents America&#39;s role of protecting others from harm in a just way and dealing with the struggles to find the balance between that and abusing your power, not allowing yourself to cross the line. He is an object of great attention, he is an idol. I&#39;d say he&#39;s an icon.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST

    X3 (totally off topic fun)

    by Jak0lantern01

    Yeah, but I just read an interview with Ratner posted on a certain other volatile message board where he indicates his taste for the Knowles way of things. Thought it was funny. X3 lacked the class of the Singer movies. Sorry, but that&#39;s the truth of the matter.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Jayjew yer right...

    by Kid Z

    ... about the American public having the combined IQ and attention span of goldfish. About the title ending up being "Batman 2: The Dark Knight" (hell, I&#39;m even guessing: "Batman Begins 2: The Dark Knight") and about "Chronicles of Riddick" losing money because it didn&#39;t have "Pitch Black 2" appended at the front of...NAW! F*** that! "Chronicles of Riddick" didn&#39;t make money because it just plain SUCKED!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:53 a.m. CST

    IQ of Goldfish?

    by Jak0lantern01

    I thought everyone just had autism and A-D-D.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Troy...

    by Kid Z

    ... Watching this movie I wondered what the hell happened to all the blonde, blue-eyed Greeks they apparently had back in ancient times!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Not autism and ADD...

    by Kid Z

    ... the effects of too much ritalin and prozac and whatever else Corporate Medicine and the government are pushing this week!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 11:58 a.m. CST

    uh, corky

    by Mechasheeva

    "protecting others from harm in a just way and dealing with the struggles to find the balance between that and abusing your power" . . . america crossed THAT line awhile ago, methinks.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Mechasheeva

    by corky1031

    Oh, I think you&#39;re right, but it doesn&#39;t really change what he stands for just because America screws up. America isn&#39;t all about truth, justice, and the American way (which is interesting), but that doesn&#39;t change Superman&#39;s status as an American icon.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:10 p.m. CST

    It Just Wasn&#39;t Good

    by Jak0lantern01

    If Ratner knew he&#39;d have to rush a product like X3, he should never have attached himself to this movie knowing there was a risk of it being an inferior product. And don&#39;t tell me shit lines like, "I&#39;m the Juggernaught, BITCH!" are due to a rushed production. It&#39;s poor, lowest common denominator style filmmaking. I can&#39;t call the movie a failure, it made a lot of money. And no, I wasn&#39;t frothing at the mouth over it, there were some good scenes. But overall, a poor movie when compared to its predecessors. Thank you.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Ledger&#39;s Laughing better be hypnotic: Like Mark Hammil

    by R.C. the "Wise"

    Best Joker laugh period.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:20 p.m. CST

    LP, Costner Also Made A Terrible Movie...

    by Rebeck

    About Wyatt Earp, a real AMERICAN legend. Oh the horror! The blasphemy! Oh my eyes, my eyes!! How could he besmirch this great historical figure with such a crappy boring film?? The difference is that he was ruining his OWN country&#39;s mythology and not yours. Your outrage only kicks in when there&#39;s a perceived interloper at your cultural doorstep, and that&#39;s the definition of caring about someone&#39;s nationality, sorry. It&#39;s just a fucking movie. I wouldn&#39;t defend it to my death, it&#39;s not nearly that good, but it&#39;s a fairly fun, sometimes exciting movie. I just can&#39;t get all morally outraged over it. And you&#39;re right, we differ, let&#39;s move on - but I never said you dislike all non-British actors, just that you generally don&#39;t like Americans playing British parts, period. The assumption on your part is that a Brit is qualified to change accents and play people from all over the world, but an American lacks that kind of talent. To which I say two words: Meryl Streep. You keep saying you don&#39;t generalize like that and then you bring up another disaster of casting and desecration of the Engilsh language. I gave you the flip side of that, British actors that have flopped miserably in American roles. You could say it about ANYBODY from any country. I still don&#39;t see why Americans should take the brunt of that kind of criticism, as if it&#39;s only us. But one more time...I&#39;ll say it with you - U571! U571!!!!! (I&#39;m outraged because the movie had Jon Bon Jovi in it, that&#39;s its worst sin!)

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Red Son

    by corky1031

    I second that, it&#39;s a good one, probably has my favorite version of Lex Luthor. And Batman&#39;s got a pretty sweet part in it, too.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Opinions Change

    by Jak0lantern01

    I&#39;ve seen that behavior from plenty of publications. Everything is glowing until reality sets in, then a movie you thought you liked for the wrong reasons really sucked, and it gets acknowledged. Heck, even I tried to make myself like Godzilla &#39;98.......

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 12:38 p.m. CST

    First scene w/JOKER & HARLEY QUINN (Fans might enjoy)

    by JDanielP

    As I&#39;ve said (in my previous post), Harley Quinn&#39;s involvement seems to serve the story better when she appears later, in helping the Joker escape Arkham. So, ...this was once the opening (though not polished), with Batman just outside, having located them (Batman had just finished talking with Gordon via a cell-phone styled device). EXTERIOR SHOT of a 3-STORY BROWSTONE BUILDING... as the camera CONSTANTLY MOVES, zooming in and (seemingly) through the keyhole of the front door. We begin to hear OPERA music. And the music echoes loudly throughout the house. The camera continues to slowly move (sometimes zooming, sometimes panning, but at the same speed) room by room of this nice "house"/brownstone building. The camera follows the stairway, glances over several rooms... as the OPERA music gets louder... and the camera continues moving, seemingly destined to reach the source of the music. Our camera-eye reaches the MASTER BEDROOM and continues to move, now inside. We see STEAM and hear SINGING from the MASTER BATHROOM... and the camera moves near the bed, revealing the homeowners, a 30-ish couple, bound and gagged on the bed. (INSERT SHOTS) They have GREEN PAINT in their hair, PAINTED CIRCLES around their eyes (paint mixed with tears, now dry), and SLOPPY RED LIPSTICK on/around their gagged lips. They tremble, eyes wide and hardly blinking. The Joker&#39;s PURPLE SUIT hangs on the bathroom door. The camera zooms in on the back of a WOMAN in her underware... as she sits at the bedroom vanity, putting on make-up, though we don&#39;t reveal a face quite yet. But we see her hand reach down for RED LIPSTICK and pull the cap... and we see the back of her arm as it moves side to side, obviously applying it to her lips. (Perhaps not a very neat application.) WE HEAR the shower shut off... as we see a CHALK-WHITE HAND turning the knob. A CHALK-WHITE HAND REACHES FOR A GREEN TOWEL... as we discover the source of the singing. A CHALK-WHITE FOOT STEPS OUT ONTO A GREEN RUG. As if in mirrored contrast to previous Batman films, of Batman getting dressed while not revealing the face until the end... we see SEVERAL VISUAL CUTS AND CAMERA SHOTS OF BOTH THE MAN AND WOMAN GETTING DRESSED while (still) not showing a face (yet). NOW SINGING TOGETHER IN A TONE OF EXAGGERATED HAPPINESS, THEY MAKE DANCE MOVEMENTS WITH EVERY PLACEMENT OF CLOTHING... AS when sliding on a sleave, rythmic tugging while pulling up pants, the snapping of suspenders, the funny ZIPPING UP AND DOWN OF A FLY-ZIPPER to go along with the music... all until finally dressed. THEIR "SILLOUETTES" COME TOGETHER AS IF TO LAUNCH INTO A PASSIONATE DANCE... STILL SINGING with the music. THE MAN&#39;S HAND REACHES OUT TO THE DIMMER SWITCH ON THE WALL... slowly turning the dimmer switch, REVEALING THEMSELVES, AS IF IN SPOTLIGHT, AT THE CLIMAX OF THE SONG. They sing at the top of their voices, as if in a Broadway musical performance (or in an Opera). THE MUSIC ENDS... and they look almost lovingly at each other. Harley Quinn exaggerates the pant of her breath... and the Joker looks deeply into her eyes. HARLEY QUINN: (with an untruthful southern draw) "Oh, Mister J., ...you sing so beautifully. You sure know how to make a girl&#39;s heart swoon." JOKER: "Simply foreplay, my dear. Our evening together has only just begun." THEY LOOK AT EACH OTHER IN SILENCE, DISTRACTED BY THE SOFT SOUNDS OF THE FRIEGHTENED COUPLE ON THE BED. JOKER AND HARLEY BOTH TURN TO LOOK WHILE STILL EMBRACED, AS THE COUPLE RETURN THEIR GAZE WITH TERROR FILLED EYES. HARLEY QUINN: "Aaaaaahhh, ...don&#39;t they look SO CUTE together, ...bound by LOVE and ROPE?" JOKER: "You know... (taking a breath, wistfully) ...it&#39;s always the quiet moments." HARLEY: "I promise I&#39;ll take good care of them." JOKER: "Sugar-dumplin&#39;, you can&#39;t keep them. We&#39;ve had this conversation already." HARLEY: (like a sad puppy) "...please?" JOKER: "Imagine the responsibility! You eventually have to bathe them and re-apply make-up when neccessary. --And I&#39;m not sharing! --Not to mention having to decide between newspapers or diapers. --And are you willing to share scraps of food from your plate?" HARLEY: "Oh, Puddin&#39;, ...you&#39;re always so realistic." JOKER: "I knew you would see it my way. Now, ...go fetch me a gun." CAMERA SHOT OF THE BOUND COUPLE, TOSSING ABOUT. THEIR MUFFLED CRIES GET LOUDER, BUT WITH NO PERSON TO SAVE THEM (SO IT SEEMS). ...So, if anyone is actually reading my stuff, shall I continue?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:11 p.m. CST

    Brokebat Manor: The Dark Night plot

    by MarkoOhNo

    The movie starts with Jack and Bruce as lovers, camping out near Wayne Manor. They get into a fight when Bruce says he thinks Scarecrow was kinda hot, and Jack becomes The Joker. This film will be noteable as it will reintroduce nipples to the batsuit and - for the first time ever - The Joker will have nipples pokin&#39; out from behind his waistcoat. lol Heath Ledger? C&#39;mon. As it was said elsewhere in the Talkbacks, logistically, technically, he doesn&#39;t fit the role.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST

    i thought we&#39;d gone for too long

    by Mechasheeva

    without another inane, homophobic Brokeback Mountain joke on here. Seriously, get over it.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:28 p.m. CST

    Ciaren Hinds ?

    by Jak0lantern01

    Don&#39;t you mean Cillian Murphy?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:29 p.m. CST

    That&#39;s a crazy typo, dude

    by Jak0lantern01

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I say stop, JDanielP...

    by kintar0

    that&#39;s my vote. you suck at writing. go peddle your fan fiction somewhere else. google it, in fact, I&#39;m sure there a ton of childish Batman fan fiction sites out there where you&#39;d fit right in.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:33 p.m. CST

    ah, it comes together . . .

    by Mechasheeva

    So Rachel&#39;s boss in BB was murdered, right? So Harvey Dent will be a young up-and-comer who replaces him . . . Also, Ellen Page is WAY too young. Like Yack said, 25 at the absolute youngest. Personally, though, I don&#39;t think Harley has any place in the live-action movies. Joker works better, and is more frightening, alone.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:35 p.m. CST

    And if anyone

    by Mechasheeva

    who has anything to do with anyone within 10 miles of WB is reading this, make sure Nolan knows that no one wants Ryan Philippe to play Dent.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Philippe

    by Jak0lantern01

    I kinda figured that the studios realized his minimalist talent and that he was just dipping into his wife&#39;s bank account these days. I&#39;m feeling all washed up I tell ya.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Interesting take, corky...

    by Childe Roland

    ...but highly interpretive. I still say Bats&#39; appeal is far more universal and, as moodoggy aptly pointed out, almost wholly psychological rather than strictly sociological. There&#39;s an element of upholding the rules of society and common decency to him, for certain, but Batman is hardly concerned with the nuances of the constitution or miranda rights or anyone&#39;s right to live without getting the beat shit out of them if they happen to have information he wants. It&#39;s interesting to note that Batman punishes all criminals he can...even himself (there&#39;s no way he&#39;d be blind enough not torecognize the criminality of his own actions and the very fact that he drives himself to continue his crusade, at the cost of any semblance of a normal life, has to be seen as a form of self-abuse, particularly given the regular and repeated injuries he suffers). That said, Batman&#39;s not even vaguely political (I don&#39;t support the Batman as fascist argument, either, but I&#39;ve heard it made more convincingly than any argument for Bats representing specifically American ideals or values). Batman would be Batman doing what Batman does pretty much wherever he was in the world, so long as his parents were murdered before his eyes when he was young. He wasn&#39;t molded or shaped by positive reinforcement of traditional American Miwestern values (like a Superman or, to a different extent, Spiderman). He was scarred to the point where he actually left the U.S. as soon as he was able and pursued the knowledge he would need to combat U.S. born criminality and corruption in other countries (isn&#39;t that kind of like buying a foreign car to combat the increased price of gas...a demonstration of practicality over patriotism?). Superman, as Red Son pointed out, could be an entirely different ball of iconography if you changed his location.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:47 p.m. CST

    holy casting choice batman

    by Naughts

    paul bettany would have been my choice but i hav 100% trust in nolan and know he will deliver the goods. excellent title aswell, cant fucking wait

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 1:48 p.m. CST

    YackBacker... Ed Norton is good but...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Liev Schreiber is better. Look at Long Halloween, they have almost the exact same face, you KNOW this to be true. And if Harley Quinn were ever to be introduced, how could it not be Brittany Murphy? Amy Sedaris would be good, but she&#39;s too old, and did you see her appearance on the Colbert Report where she was totally normal looking? She wasn&#39;t all that attractive. I personally feel that Brittany has the craziness factor to pull it off, as well as the bubbliness, not to mention she&#39;s hot. A lot of people want Reese Witherspoon, but frankly, i don&#39;t think she could be crazy enough, nor hot enough (with her Jay Leno chin) to pull it off.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:11 p.m. CST

    The Joker

    by roninredshade

    Look at Nolan

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:16 p.m. CST

    BB

    by Jak0lantern01

    I think that after getting infected with the nerve gas in the last movie, Crane now IS Scarecrow. Who is to say that the Joker is not also affected by the toxin? I didn&#39;t see the cowboy movie, I judge Ledger from earlier movies. I thought he was great in Dogtown.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Not to be a geek , Jak0

    by The Dum Guy

    But in the comics Scarecrow once gassed Joker with his fear toxin, only for it not to work on Joker since he&#39;s already completely insane. Of course Joker is also portrayed as being highly intelligent as well as being a maniac.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    ?

    by Naughts

    who the fucks liev schreiber?, wat film has he been in

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST

    YackBacker, you put a SMILE on my face! HERE&#39;S MORE!!!

    by JDanielP

    (continued) THE BOUND AND GAGGED COUPLE CONTINUE TO SQUIRM AND ATTEMPT TO SCREAM. HARLEY QUINN HAS EXITED THE BEDROOM, GETTING A GUN FOR THE JOKER, AS REQUESTED. JOKER: (while looking in a mirror) "You&#39;re not bad people. You hardly complain or raise your voice... and you never interrupt a conversation. But you&#39;re just too introverted for my taste. You really should have gotten out more." HARLEY QUINN POPS INTO THE DOORWAY, TRYING TO PASS OFF A LARGE SHOTGUN. HARLEY: "Here you go, Mister J." JOKER: (reacting) "Oh, dear. That might be a bit messy." (Joker turns to the bound couple...) "What do you guys think?" IN PANIC, THE COUPLE SHAKE THEIR HEADS "NO!" (Joker continues...) "You see? They completely agree." HARLEY: (making a face, thinking it over) "Well, ...we did just shower." (she slightly shakes head in agreement) "Okay. I&#39;ll be right back." ONCE AGAIN, HARLEY LEAVES THE BEDROOM. JOKER: "My apologies to you both. You deserve much more respect than that." HARLEY QUINN QUICKLY RETURNS. HARLEY: "How&#39;s THIS Puddin&#39;?" -THIS TIME, HARLEY TRIES TO HAND THE JOKER AN M-16 MACHINE GUN. JOKER: "Hmmmmm... I do appreciate your artistic eye... but it&#39;s just a little too Jackson Pollock for me." HARLEY: (breathes out) "I suppose. --Wait! I&#39;ve got just the thing!" AGAIN, HARLEY LEAVES THE FRAME. JOKER: (again, talking to the bound couple on the bed) "She has so much to learn. Still, you&#39;ve got to LOVE her enthusiasm." CUT TO A SHOT OF THE STAIRWAY, WHERE HARLEY QUINN IS RUNNING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE 1ST FLOOR. THE CAMERA STOPS AT THE FOOT OF THE STEPS... AS SHE LEAVES THE FRAME, EXITING INTO A SIDE ROOM (the Living Room). THE CAMERA REMAINS AT THE STAIRWAY, AS WE HEAR SOUNDS OF THINGS BREAKING. SUDDENLY, HARLEY RUNS BACK INTO FRAME, CARRYING AN ANTIQUE SWORD. NOW, WE SEE HER RUNNING BACK UP THE STEPS. CUTTING BACK TO THE BEDROOM... JOKER: (yelling, leaning out the door) "Harley Quinn! --What is taking so damn long?! I could&#39;ve ordered out for pizza!" SUDDENLY, THE JOKER JUMPS BACK, ...REACTING TO HARLEY, WHO BURSTS IN WITH THE SWORD. "Whoa!" HARLEY BREATHES HEAVILY, ALMOST SWEATING. HARLEY: (between breaths) "TA- (puff, puff) -DAAAAAA!" JOKER: "WHAT... is THAT?!!" HARLEY: "It&#39;s... (puff, puff) ...it&#39;s... (puff, puff) ...an anitque sword... (puff, puff) ...and I took it... (puff, puff) ...I ...took it... (puff, puff) off the fireplace... (puff, puff) ...above the mantle." JOKER: (angry, snatching it from her hand) "I KNOW what it IS, Silly!" (exhales) "I guess it will have to suffice." IT&#39;S A CREEPY MOMENT... AS THE JOKER, WITH SWORD IN HAND, LOOKS AT THE COUPLE ON THE BED. HE MOVES THE SWORD AROUND IN THE AIR, AS IF PRACTICING FOR THE FIRST TIME. ...THEN, AT THE EDGE OF THE BED, HE TRIES TO JUDGE HOW AND WHERE TO CUT... AS IF HE IS ABOUT TO DIVIDE A PIZZA... AND IN HOW MANY SLICES. HE FINALLY REARS BACK WITH THE SWORD, AS IF TO SWING, ...THEN CHANGES HIS MIND, VISUALLY PONDERING A TWO-HANDED STAB. UNTIL FINALLY...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    No Geekisms

    by Jak0lantern01

    Actually, it&#39;s a pretty cool bit of trivia I wasn&#39;t aware of. Don&#39;t worry, I&#39;m not acting much better on Don Murphy&#39;s Transformers boards. I think they LOVE me there.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST

    For Naughts...

    by Childe Roland

    ...check out Phantoms and The Manchurian Candidate remake. The Omen remake, as well. That&#39;s L.S. He&#39;d make a decent Two-Face, now that I think about it. Just based on the first two movies cited above. Good suggestion, whoever made that one. And I just realized Gaius was suggesting the chick from The Craft and Things to do in Denver When You&#39;re Dead for Harley Quinn. That&#39;s spot on.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Yack, saw the Omen (unfortunately)

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and Liev can defintely play young, and Norton&#39;s been getting older and older (not to say he&#39;s old). Norton crazy&#39;s been done, and look at Liev in The Manchurian Candidate remake. He&#39;s got the subtlety to pull it off, and also a bigger face, which could help accent the fucked up face. Now of course, I would definitely accept Ed Norton, he kicked major ass in Red Dragon as a law officer, and both Liev and Ed are eons above that loser they&#39;re trying to get Ryan Phillippe. If he signs on, it&#39;ll be a tragedy. As for Harley, it&#39;s a moot point as i hope they&#39;ll hold off and put her in in a later movie (hoping the joker survives this time).

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:09 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ve been wondering about this . . .

    by Mechasheeva

    As everyone knows, BB ends with the foreshadowing of the Joker. He&#39;s already leaving playing cards at crime scenes. So at the beginning of this movie, will he already be crazy, and Batman just ends up knocking him into some chemicals or whatever, and that sends him entirely over the edge? Or will these two movies actually have some overlap, where we get a little Joker origin story that takes place at the same time BB is happening? I&#39;ve been wondering how they&#39;ll pull this off, because with the end of BB it looked to me like they wrote themselves into a weird little corner.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Thanks Childe

    by Naughts

    bloke from the scream films. cant really see him as the joker, as for two face edward norton would be perfect

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Mechasheeva

    by The Dum Guy

    Maybe Joker is just an alias that he (Joker) uses, and due to some kind of mishap that happens, will cause him to become the persona of Joker?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The only way we&#39;re getting Norton

    by Mechasheeva

    as Two-Face is if he&#39;s guaranteed big money and a big part (as in, #1 villain) in part 3, methinks. He&#39;s in the midst of a mini-comeback (having not had a leading role for awhile, and now with The Illusionist and that one with the paedophile cowboy . . . Down in the Valley). Schreiber would be excellent. I think Josh Lucas, who has been campaigning for the role, would do well in bringing a true everyman quality to Dent and an insane menace to Two-Face. Just . . . please, Nolan, for the love of White Jesus, don&#39;t cast Ryan Philippe. I&#39;m not gonna question the Heath Ledger choice, but if Philippe is cast then I&#39;ll start to get a real bad feeling about this whole thing . . .

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Thanks for catching that, Childe Roland.

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I think blackwood and I Dunno may have been the only other two to pick up on my suggestion. Fellas, I&#39;m tellin&#39; ya: FAIRUZA BALK is Harley Quinn. Check it: http://tinyurl.com/kfb6p

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Yeah, she&#39;d be good

    by Mechasheeva

    but I still pray they don&#39;t put Harley in this movie. I don&#39;t want the wanton crazy evil of the Joker diluted by a whiny clown lady following him around.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Batman Comes Back Up A Hill and Goes Down on a Mountain

    by phelion2

    There, top that for a title parody!

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    (continued...)

    by JDanielP

    JOKER: (holding and studying the antique sword) "You know, ...this is so yesterday. And frankly, it&#39;s just cramping my style." HARLEY QUINN: "I&#39;m sorry, Puddin&#39;. I just don&#39;t have your artistic sense." THE JOKER PUTS AN ARM AROUND HARLEY, PULLING HER A LITTLE TOO TIGHT. JOKER: "You should know by now that it&#39;s not the length of the blade or the size of the gun barrell that matters." HARLEY: "Oh, you are so right, Mister J." JOKER: "I need something that&#39;s more... (pauses) ...you know, ...more ...ME." HARLEY: "Something... (pauses, almost hesitant) ...smaller?" JOKER: "Absolutely." HARLEY: "Something... (pauses, again) ...shorter?" JOKER: "You&#39;ve known the truth all along. Now go fetch me my .38 revolver." HARLEY LEAVES THE FRAME ONCE MORE AS THE JOKER TURNS TOWARD THE BOUND COUPLE, STILL ON THE BED. JOKER: "This is so embarrassing. Can you see that I&#39;m blushing?" HARLEY RETURNS. HARLEY: "Here you go Mister J. (holding the Joker&#39;s .38 revolver) ...short and sweet ...yet can still bang with the best of &#39;em!" JOKER: (reacts, shouting) "Look! --It&#39;s my favorite piece, with my favorite piece!" HAHAHAHAHAHA... THE JOKER CACKLES WITH LAUGHTER. HARLEY: "I love it when you talk dirty!"

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Mechasheeva

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    I doubt the Harley Quinn character will be in the movie. In fact, I&#39;m hoping that there is not more than one central villain (The Joker) in the sequel. I think it cheapens the individual storylines as masterfully displayed in the Burton/Schumacher debacles.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:43 p.m. CST

    It&#39;s already pretty much confirmed

    by Mechasheeva

    that Penguin will be appearing in some form in this movie (Nolan&#39;s already talked to Philip Seymour Hoffman apparently). And Dent will be involved, but as a goodie this time &#39;round . . . and maybe Scarecrow will be back (I hope so . . . Cillian Murphy does creepy guy good). I can handle multiple villains so long as it&#39;s executed well. I thought they did a fantastic job of it in BB, as each villain served the story and was given their time to shine. I&#39;m guessing this one&#39;ll work kind of the same, with each villain being given a fair shake, but in the end it&#39;ll come down to Batman and the Joker.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Oh and JDanielP

    by Mechasheeva

    take it to a fanfic site, please. and work on your dialogue.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:47 p.m. CST

    I&#39;d take X3 over Superman Returns any day of the week.

    by Movietool

    X3 was fun and delivered a satisfying end to the series. Superman Returns put me to sleep.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Mel Gibson should be Two Face.

    by Engelhast

    nuff said.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:51 p.m. CST

    I think they&#39;ll do the Red Hood storyline...

    by Ricky Henderson

    Or whatever name the Joker went by before he became the joker. If they stayed true to the comics and had Joe Chill killing the Waynes, then I&#39;m assuming the Red Hood will be in it too.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:53 p.m. CST

    villains x 2

    by Naughts

    the penguin is meant to be in aswell. it can be done right like it was in BB but should centre more on joker

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:54 p.m. CST

    I hope they spruce up the gadgets a little bit...

    by Ricky Henderson

    I wasn&#39;t a huge fan of the batmobile. I&#39;m not asking for anything silly like we suffered through in those awful Schumacher movies, but just make the car/gadgets/suit a little sleeker, you know?

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Movietool

    by The Dum Guy

    you are surely a tool. And Ricky, I&#39;m not sure it would make sense to use the Red Hood when they&#39;ve already established the Joker himself as being involved, but who knows.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4 p.m. CST

    Well they could juse do flashbacks Dum Guy

    by Ricky Henderson

    That would cover the Red Hood storyline. Its entirely possible Batman encountered the Red Hood sometime offscreen during the Batman Begins isn&#39;t it? Nolan could just flash back to that.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:04 p.m. CST

    WHAT

    by Naughts

    i loved the batmobile, the grapple gun and the bats frequency thing in the boot, werent mad on the suit and stil not convinced batman can turn his head round properly

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah, but

    by The Dum Guy

    It wouldn&#39;t make alot of sense to have the continuity of the BB overlap into the next film, mostly due to the fact at the end when Gordon tells Batman that there is a new criminal afoot. One other thing is the Red Hood story is portrayed differently in some of the comics continuity, so even if they use it, it may have nothing to do with the real Joker.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I reeeeally want the Red Hood

    by Mechasheeva

    story from Killing Joke to be the origin . . . fingers crossed, do the right thing Nolan! This would mean there&#39;d have to be something between the death of Ra&#39;s and Gordon and Batman&#39;s rooftop meeting at the end of BB where Batman would&#39;ve stopped a robbery attempt at a chemical plant . . . and if they do this I&#39;m betting Penguin will be the mastermind behind the Red Hood gang. As for the Batmobile, I loved that fuckin&#39; thing. Looked like the one from Dark Knight Returns. The Burton Batmobile was pretty sweet, but by the time Schumacher took over it&#39;d become a glorified phallus.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:11 p.m. CST

    The car was too big

    by Ricky Henderson

    The flying across rooftops scene didn&#39;t win me over either. If this is a Batman movie that is supposed to be based in reality, how can you explain something like that? Or how can you explain something as huge as that bat-tank being able to escape the police? You&#39;re telling me NO ONE can figure out where that thing goes to when Batman goes home? Bad guys dont think: "hey, maybe we should quietly follow that enormous machine and see where is goes" ? The suit (especially the cowl) bugged me as well. My hope is that Nolan shows a Batman that has evolved from being so pedestrian and boring. Instead of a hero whose tools and apperance are entirely utilitarian and functional, show is something sleek and deadly.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:14 p.m. CST

    are u kidding me?

    by sokitome

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    oops

    by sokitome

    anyway....are u fucking kidding me?...some of you peeps actually think ledger can pull it off?...jezus casanova..sucked,ten things i hate about you...sucked, that movie where he played a priest...sucked...roar tv show sucked...and he sucked(both literally and figuratively) in brokeback mountaint which was good except him. and to all you people who whine about him being nominated for an oscar...BFD...they gave one to whoopi goldberg from ghost...nuff said

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:20 p.m. CST

    sokitome -- are you really Darth Evil Dead?

    by The Dum Guy

    Just cause an actor is in a movie that sucks, doesn&#39;t necessarily mean that his acting sucks. And as far as Brokeback sucking, I thought alls they did was cuttle and bum hump.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:23 p.m. CST

    sokitome, go watch "brothers grimm"

    by Ricky Henderson

    Ledger can play a guy who is unhinged just fine. All he needs to do is crank the crazyness up a few notches. Relax damnit-this isn&#39;t the toughest role in the world to master. We&#39;re talking about an evil comic book clown, not Shylock. Its the G1 Prime bitching all over again...

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Ciaren Hinds

    by lynxpro

    He&#39;d make a good Two Face if we were dealing with an older Batman, but we&#39;re not. Consequently, Hinds really wouldn&#39;t fit into the casting unless as a corporate rival of Wayne, a mob boss, a crooked politician/Mayor of Gotham City. Granted, the guy rocks as Caesar. Too bad his role in *Miami Vice* seemed like a cameo. Speaking of actors who rock and who have played Caesar....Jeremy Sisto. But alas, I do not think he hails from the British Isles, so no casting soup for him. As for Brittany Murphy, she&#39;d be as credible onscreen as a noted psychologist as Katie Holmes was as an assistant D.A. Which means "not much". Going the all British casting route, again, I suggest Kate Winslett for Dr. Quinzell. Plus, I would like to see her in the Harley Quinn outfit.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:30 p.m. CST

    I tend to agree with Ricky...

    by Childe Roland

    ...that a flashback to a Red Hood incident (maybe he times his big criminal debut to coincide with all the silliness going on in Gotham during Begins and ends up getting knocked into the acid by a Batman who doesn&#39;t even notice him standing there?) is very doable if they want to go that route. As for what did and didn&#39;t work for me in Begins, I&#39;m one of the few folks I know who had no problem with the way the action scenes were shot. Batman&#39;s not a Kung Fu movie star. He&#39;s all about surprise and stealth and the fist coming out of nowhere. So that worked for me (like watching Alien and rooting for the Alien). The story was solid if still a bit comic-book-gimmicky and the casting was just stellar (Holmes didn&#39;t bug me as much as she did others, but if you think too hard about her character even from a logistical standpoint -- how old was she when she went to law school anyway? -- it&#39;s distracting). Bale was the best Batman so far (although Keaton is still the best Wayne), although at times his "bat whisper" just seemed forced and silly and during extended head-on shots, the silly factor was accentuated by just how goofy the cowl looked (but, if you think about it, any guy looking right at you and trying to hold a prolonged conversation in a pointy-eared cowl is going to look silly once that element of surprise and shock has worn off). I wish they&#39;d shot those scenes from a different angle (in certain poses, the cowl looked excellent) and kept him shrouded in darkness more. I could buy into a more streamlined version of the cowl on a very slightly updated suit, just as a more sleek batmobile would make sense (cars started out boxy in general and got sleeker over time). Batman&#39;s really only a half-step behind Iron Man in terms of being a world-class tinkerer (at least in the comics, and I hope they plan to take him that way in the movies). Stands to reason that he&#39;d tweak his equipment from year to year.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Ricky Henderson

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    The Tumbler was designed to jump chasms in order to extend bridges on a battlefield. The fact that it was on rooftops and parking garages seemed pretty consistent with the premise. As for escaping the cops, don&#39;t you recall the stealth mode? Not to mention the fact that it&#39;s pretty hard to pursue Batman when your car just got its ass kicked by the Batmobile. And I don&#39;t know how anybody could not like the suit - look at that scene when Holmes uses the tazer. Tell me that suit doesn&#39;t look great. Again, it&#39;s the origin story - Batman is just starting out and doesn&#39;t have all the quirks ironed out yet. I&#39;m sure there will be changes but that&#39;s what made it so interesting. You got to see where the technology originally came from.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Only thing not incorporated into any of the films...

    by The Dum Guy

    I still wouldn&#39;t mind seeing the whole detective side of the Batman come into light. If I&#39;m not wrong, he is supposed to be the worlds greatest detective, and we&#39;ve never really seen any of that on the big screen. Of course most audiences wishes to see lots action, not contimplation and logic used in order to capture a villian.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 4:51 p.m. CST

    It looked like

    by Mechasheeva

    they were also foreshadowing a little detective action at the end of BB, with Gordon handing Batman a clue and Batman saying he&#39;d "look into it". I always wanted to see that aspect of Batman onscreen, too.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST

    I&#39;ve got high hopes we&#39;ll see the "Detective" side...

    by Childe Roland

    ...of Bats in this one. After all, it&#39;s called "The Dark Knight." Isn&#39;t that usually followed up by "Detective" in the comics (as in "The Dark Knight Detective")? He&#39;s got the thirst for knowledge and, now that he knows all he needs to know about butt kicking and ninja-style trickery, he needs new interests to quench it. Especially if those interests serve his greater purpose.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:13 p.m. CST

    hmm

    by Naughts

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    i dont think so

    by Naughts

    in the comics you see bruce have fbi training, hanging out with a private investigator etc.. in BB all you see him doing is being a criminal not much detecting, think they will concentrate more on the action side of things

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, about FAIRUZA BALK...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    really? I dunno man, she&#39;s not even a natural blond. She doesn&#39;t have the eyes or the smile for it. At least to me. I&#39;ve never really thought she was that attractive either. I&#39;d probably still DO her, but that&#39;s another matter entirely.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:11 p.m. CST

    harry and joker reference in online comic

    by misterkhyron

    more self promoting bovine feces: http://www.geocities.com/misterkhyron/bob42.html

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:20 p.m. CST

    clear up a point

    by sokitome

    I never said brokeback mountain was a bad movie I thought it was very good...I thought Heath Ledger Sucked in it just like he sucks in every movie he does. He&#39;s one dimensional and YES I DId see Brothers Grimm and He was weak in that one as well.(that was the weakest Terry Gilliam movie ever.) He&#39;s nothing but a pretty boy and I don&#39;t think for a minute he can play a tortured creep like a the Joker...NO FUCKIN Way...and by the by I was right when I said all this when they casted Superman Returns and I think one of the reasons that movie fucked up (although there are other reasons) was the casting.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Uhh

    by The Dum Guy

    The Joker essentialy has nothing to be totured about, discounting his disfigurement. The only thing one would have to aptly capture about the character is a sense of insanity and sadism (and of course his signature laugh). I can&#39;t exactly think of any role Ledger has done that I would say I really enjoyed, but I really don&#39;t see any reason to hate him (other than the fact that some women moan his name when they speak it).

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Zsasz was already in Batman Begins

    by Deadwood Dan

    Rachel was trying to keep him behind bars while Crane wanted to put him into his psyche ward.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Ed Norton And Casting

    by Barron34

    Ed Norton is a solid actor, but I would rather see Liev Screiber as Harvey Dent/Two-Face (his work in the Scream movies does not showcase his talent very well; I would advise you to watch his performance in the remake of The Manchurian Candidate; he can be pretty chilling). Also, for some reason I always thought that Ed Norton would make a great Green Arrow (his performances in American History X and Red Dragon are good references for this, I think). A good, gritty, realistic Green Arrow movie could be made as a mid-budget feature, maybe influenced by The Longbow Hunters. It might also be fun to cast The Black Canary (Naomi Watts, perhaps?). Norton could also make a cameo in a Batman movie as Green Arrow. Maybe wishful thinking, but it could go towards the one day possibility of a JLA movie. You never know.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 8:54 p.m. CST

    QTN

    by Mechasheeva

    Man I hope you&#39;re right . . . but I definitely didn&#39;t vote for Bush.

  • Aug. 2, 2006, 10:43 p.m. CST

    S&#39;cool.

    by Mechasheeva

    But I&#39;m watching Identity right now and it has 2 guys in it who could make AWESOME Two-Faces. Ray Liotta (that&#39;s right, I went there) and John C. McGinley. Both can be preening yet admirable egomaniacs (see Dr. Cox . . .) and both can be scary as fuck. It could be that I&#39;m a little drunk but . . . there&#39;s a couple more names for discussion.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:05 a.m. CST

    Re: QTN

    by movieman742

    I love Liev Schreiber for HARVEY DENT but unfortunaltly Bush won the election.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Liev Shreiber

    by The Dum Guy

    I think this may the new "Crispin Glover should be Joker" thing, but I imagine that Nolan will pick someone that no one expects for Two Face, do I here the name of Jamie Foxx being mentioned (imagine a young Billy Dee).

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST

    Noooo! Jude Law is The Joker

    by Frank Flynn

    Before you scoff at Gigilo Joe being the clown proince of crime, watch the Road to Perdition trailer and take a good look at his big ass, evil grin in all its slo mo glory. &#39;Nuff said.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Mechasheeva, both are cool...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    but kinda old. It should be Liev. and JUDE LAW IS THE RIDDLER! He&#39;d be the absolute perfect Riddler.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 2:52 a.m. CST

    Uhh...while i agree that Nolan made Batman into a much

    by Master Bruce

    more serious film than the previous movies in the franchise, i really don&#39;t get the adulation for him in the fanboy community. Yes, it was a good film but it was by no means a great one. Other iconic film series like James Bond, Star Wars, Superman or Indiana Jones have at least one picture - usually the first entry - in their canon that is truly a classic in every sense of the word. A film that is either so true to the source material or so wholly original that it captures the hearts & minds of audiences young & old everywhere. A film that is so perfect that even if there were never any sequels made, we&#39;d be fine w/it because we have this one perfect gem for all time. Well, IMHO, BATMAN BAEGINS is not that film. (Nor are any of the previous entries in this series either for that matter.) As far as a film about THE BATMAN goes, i want to see something closer to early Kane/Finger or O

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:16 a.m. CST

    last time rebeck

    by Lost Prophet

    I don&#39;t object to an American being casting- just a shit one. And if you note- I nominated Jude Law and John Geilguld for the should never have been cast and can&#39;t do an accent hall of fame. All I ask is that appropriate casting takes place, regardless of nationality. WHich is what I said ages ago. BTW , why aren&#39;t you pissed off at Costner ruining Wyatt Earp? i would be.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Isn&#39;t this thread about Ledger as Joker?

    by SHOOT ME NOW

    FAr be it from me to cast dispersions about famous world class actors (tongue directly in cheek) but who the hell thought Heath Ledger would be a good or even so-so joker. For fizuck&#39;s sake at least find someone who has a range of emotions outside of crying and being gay. I can say that too, I am gay. Maniacal, that is what the joker is. Can Ledger do that? Nicholson was at least funny. Ledger better take some damn acting classes or do some crack to get in touch with his inner psycho. BTW did someone actually suggest QT do the joker, have you seen his movies, he is not that great an actor. He needs to stay behind the camera and do more coke.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 5:27 a.m. CST

    YOU WANNA GET NUTS

    by Axl Z

    "Come on, let&#39;s get nuts!" get Nicholson back. failing that Bob Monkhouse, shame he&#39;s dead.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 6:07 a.m. CST

    Thanks for ruining the franchise Nolan!

    by chien_sale

    BWAHAHAHAHA! Warner/DC is pathetic. They have something precious on their hands and they give carte blanche to filmakers and in turn piss on their franchise, costing them milllions$$$. Singer killed Superman, and now Nolan may have tarnished the Joker beyond recognition.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Yackbacker is an asshole

    by darthbinks1220

    Here&#39;s more Star Trek tutelage, brainstem. Bryan Singer should avoid making Superman Reborn another "V: The Final Frontier". That flick is a pariah in said sci-fi series. Also, I&#39;ll add a shot of my spunk into the rum. May make the Pepsi go down better in your case. Now go finish your retard sandwich. The cumlord gives you permission.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST

    Shoulda Been CRISPIN GLOVER

    by ZombieSolutions

    Heath Ledger is a decent actor, but he sure as fuck ain&#39;t the Joker. he&#39;d be a much better Robin; gettin his hardcore BROKEBAT MOUNTAIN on; "Holy Crisco, Batman! PUSH HARDER! HARDER!!!"

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Nolan better not name the third film in his trilogy...

    by The Atomic Worm

    ...Dark Knight Returns. That name should be reserved only for the scene by scene adaptation of Miller&#39;s graphic novel (a la Sin City) that we SHOULD (if there&#39;s any justice in the world) be getting, someday. That&#39;s it, nothing more, nothing less.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 9:09 a.m. CST

    iamnicksaicnsn

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Oh, I think Fairuza has totally got the smile for it. But I happen to find her incredibly sexy, too. She is one hot Zorastrian babe. I may be a little biased, but I see her smile and her looks right on par with everything Joker related.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Fairuza = Joker as a woman, not HQ

    by fat bears

    I saw Fairuza Balk in American History X and in the Craft and I certainly agree that she can certainly do a creepy/psycho killer maniac role. Just looking at her smile I can see her out-crazying Heath Ledger, and lord knows that if the Joker were a chick Fairuza would be her. I have no idea how Nolan would re-imagine Ms. Q but if the movie is going to show Joker

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Here&#39;s the best photoshopped image

    by messi

    http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/9894/heatsq3.jpg

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Hey Yackbacker you are mostly right but...

    by messi

    I thought the tumbler scene in Batman begins was fun as hell. the way it was edited with that incredibly optimistic heroic music that was Molossus. Awesome. Plus who can forget the fight between spidey and doc ock, that&#39;s one of the most entertaining scenes ever. was like reading a live comic book. Yes it hit my g-spot. hit it hard.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    I think the most fun I&#39;d had

    by Mechasheeva

    at a movie in awhile was flipping shit over how well-done the dock scene was in BB. That pretty much punched me in the g-spot (we&#39;re still talking Geek-spot, right? I mean . . .)

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I swear, I&#39;m NOT flame-throwing here, but ...

    by falawful-314

    can Crispin Glover actually ACT? I hope I&#39;m not handing in my AICN credentials here, or something, but I&#39;ve only seen the guy in Back to the Future and the two Charlie&#39;s Angels. He was okay ... but other than that, all I know is that he nearly roundhoused David Letterman once and, when left to his own devices, he gravitates towards obscure, uber-quirky films. But can the guy actually ACT? Personally, I thought Ledger was great in Brokeback, and I&#39;m curious to see if he can turn his stoic, "quiet rage" act inside-out for the Joker ... but who knows? I&#39;m just wondering if the Crispin-fetish on this site is over his acting chops or the fact that he, you know, almost roundhoused David Letterman to the head once.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    speaking of Zsaz (or however you spell it)

    by oisin5199

    if Nolan can make us believe that Tim Booth is a crazed, muscular serial killer, he can do anything with almost anyone. For those of you who don&#39;t recall, Tim Booth was the lead singer of the band James, best known for trouncing around in skirts in the song Laid. And the Brokeback bashing must stop. Ledger has played one gay role in one film. It&#39;s called acting. Having said that, I don&#39;t believe that Phillippe has the presence to pull off 2Face. So I hope it&#39;s not him. And I&#39;m really not getting the Liev Schrieber thing. There&#39;s always Pacino.

  • Aug. 3, 2006, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Brits

    by WolfmanNards

    when I go to see this movie Im gonna be drinking some lime soda, while eating lime candy as I watch a movie packed with limeys.

  • July 29, 2008, 1:22 a.m. CST

    Sure is fun...

    by Ellipsian

    ...to go past-delving and read about all of these dildos (nearly all of whom are now rightfully bowing to Ledger's Joker) whining about crap casting. Although I'm impressed with the number of people who thought it would/could be a good thing, or at least were neutral and willing to wait until showtime before saying shit...

  • Aug. 1, 2008, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Congratulations Heath

    by nastee_flembot

    Rest In Peace. You shut all these naysayers up. And for the guys that believed, you had excellent foresight.

  • Aug. 3, 2008, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Iam right here with ya nastee_flembot.

    by connor187

    I never once questioned Heath Ledger as the Joker. but anyway all there is to say is, what a fucking performance...brilliant!

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Fuck

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    It will be nearly a year since his death. For some reason it still saddens me deeply, it's not like I knew the guy or anything or was even a huge fan of his work. But when that first Dark Knight trailer hit (before his death) I was genuinely shocked and surprised... in a great way. He looked to have nailed the Joker, and it turned out he did, it was really something special and I think what hurts is that he never got to see how pleased everyone, critics, fans and casual film-goers, etc, were with his work. I haven't felt the need to reappraise any of his other films, he is at worst watchable, mostly he is charismatic, and at best utterly compelling. 28 years old. That ain't no age to go.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Fuck

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    It will be nearly a year since his death. For some reason it still saddens me deeply, it's not like I knew the guy or anything or was even a huge fan of his work. But when that first Dark Knight trailer hit (before his death) I was genuinely shocked and surprised... in a great way. He looked to have nailed the Joker, and it turned out he did, it was really something special and I think what hurts is that he never got to see how pleased everyone, critics, fans and casual film-goers, etc, were with his work. I haven't felt the need to reappraise any of his other films, he is at worst watchable, mostly he is charismatic, and at best utterly compelling. 28 years old. That ain't no age to go.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, what happened to my post?

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    ????? Why has it made duplicates?

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Holy shit, what happened to my post?

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    ????? Why has it made duplicates?

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:03 p.m. CST

    That's one way to get attention...

    by Bill Clay

    Resurrecting old talkbacks.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:05 p.m. CST

    This is great news. Heath Ledger will do great!!

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    I CAN FEEL IT!!

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Erm,

    by emeraldboy

    Aint it cool news putting up old articles on its site. aint it very old news. He did very well did heath ledger. He died long before the movie opened. We was great in it.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:23 p.m. CST

    I knew this was coming

    by Deus X Meshuga

    They're re-posting old news hoping no one will notice. Probably no one will. Hur-hur. :B

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:31 p.m. CST

    is he a bit too young for the role?

    by DANNYGLOVERS_DICKBLOOD

    Thats the only thing that concerns me.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:33 p.m. CST

    I'm so confused

    by blimblambloo

    Not really, just wanted to post. Go Batman!

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Ledger will suck as Joker.

    by HoboCode

    Next thing you know people will be saying he deserves an Oscar for the role. Schya.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 12:57 p.m. CST

    I dont know......

    by chetedawg

    Its no Robin WIlliams. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Heath Ledger?

    by mrfan

    Yeah. Right. The next thing I will hear is that he will do good in this.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:13 p.m. CST

    No way!

    by andrew coleman

    Give me the Riddler.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:21 p.m. CST

    what the hell

    by LordMaker

    what the hell you playin' at Zoidberg!?

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:23 p.m. CST

    heath look nothing like joker

    by cloudrider`

    f*** that. even joaquin phoenix is a much better choice. this movie will bomb.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:26 p.m. CST

    I've never liked Heath in anything, but...

    by Bass Bastardson

    Somehow, I get the feeling that he will be the only worthwhile thing in an overrated piece of pretentious, boring and sloppy bloat.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:28 p.m. CST

    They better not shoot this in IMAX

    by Rickey Henderson

    Last thing anyone wants to see is Ledger's sketchy face in IMAX.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Dr_Zoidberg

    by cloudrider`

    should win something. if not an award, then definitely something. there was superman rotating the earth counter clockwise, and then there's this.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 2:13 p.m. CST

    HDDVD will overtake Blu-ray!!!

    by HoboCode

    You heard it here first!

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Gay community will flock to the flick

    by zacdilone

    Ever since Brokeback, Heath's had them in his back pocket. Just like Hillary, who we all know will win in '08.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Yeah right, Heath as the Joker. Next thing you know

    by Stuntcock Mike

    they will elect a Black President. Good luck.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Jesus, next thing you know that twat Nicky Katt eill be cast.

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:16 p.m. CST

    eill?

    by Stuntcock Mike

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:21 p.m. CST

    Did you guys hear???

    by Darth Macchio

    Lucas is finally getting off his lazy neck and writing the early adventures of Darth Vader in the forbidden zone? This site totally blows for news eh? I got this information from LIFE magazine fer chrissakes. Rumor has it the first movie is going to be called "Revenge of the Rise of I Heart Forbidden Zone"? Supposedly, they've cast Dennis Farina as a young Anakin Skywalker and they cast Will Smith as a young Han Solo and Debbie Reynolds as a young Ben Kenobi. Sounds pants but time will tell.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:23 p.m. CST

    I am officially not seeing this.

    by two fathoms deep

    I can wait for the dvd. I will not spend money to see this in a theatre. Not once.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I heard Robert Downey Jr signed up to do Blackface

    by Stuntcock Mike

    in some Vietnam war comedy. C'mon.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Heath's dead, just like every other idiot...

    by TheGhostWhoLurks

    Stupid enough to O.D. I feel bad for River Phoenix, as well... great actor. But these self-absorbed, rich boobs did it to THEMSELVES and wasted their potential and their lives.<p>Everyone needs to get over it, move on and spend their energy on people who AREN'T committing suicide by smoking/snorting/shooting mind-altering substances into their bodies in a pathetic attempt to run from reality and their responsibilities. >:(<p>Nice bump, though, Zoidberg.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Heath as the Joker?

    by HoboCode

    Next thing you know Joe the Plumber will be made a war correspondent in Israel.

  • Jan. 8, 2009, 3:35 p.m. CST

    First?

    by The_joker

    Damn, so close!