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Updated! GRINDHOUSE news from Comic-Con! Snake Plissken to be Tarantino's villain! Plus more!!!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. I'm right in the middle of the GRINDHOUSE panel, but I had to post this up. Great news! Quentin Tarantino announced Kurt Russell as playing the slasher, Mad Man Mike, the baddie in DEATH PROOF, his segment in GRINDHOUSE!!!

I'll update this story with details from the rest of the panel... here are tidbits... John Carpenter in talks to score!!! Tarantino directing the COWGIRLS IN SWEDEN trailer! More to come!!!

- Saw footage (more on that later)... the footage was beat-up... scratches, sloppy splices, water damage, soundtrack pops, etc. Quick comment... this is the best looking movie Robert has done (scratches an all...) since FROM DUSK TILL DAWN.

- Each segment are real movies, not 1 hour each. You literally get a double feature. Tarantino says "This isn't something I'm doing with Robert... This is MY next movie. This is ROBERT's next movie."

- Quentin's script is 130 pages, Robert's is 110 pages long

- Michael Park's Texas Ranger Earl McGraw will appear in both PLANET TERROR and DEATH PROOF.

- Tarantino will shoot film on his

More coming... Panel is still running...

Okay, back... Sorry it took so long... had a little symbiotic company that distracted me (and you guys, too, I'd wager). Here's the rest of the panel and the pics!

- Rodriguez had an idea for a zombie movie, but could never get past 30 pages, so he shelved it. One day he looked at this original one-sheet he has for a drive-in double feature of DRAG STRIP GIRL and ROCK ALL NIGHT. He thought, "Hey... it'd be a good idea to do a movie that brings back the double feature feeling." And thought his zombie script could be stretched out to 50 pages or so, but not feature length, so it'd be perfect for that kind of format (that later changed apparently, as his script ended up feature lengthe).But he didn't do much with it. A while later he was at Tarantino's house where he saw the exact same double bill one-sheet. He told Quentin his idea for a double feature movie and Quentin flipped for it.

- Tarantino says he feels very sorry for the last couple generations who only know mall multiplexes and never got to experience that great crappy theater that played nothing but exploitation double bills every week..

- Tarantino mentioned one of the pitfalls with '70s exploitation is that due to their low budget they hardly ever lived up to their kick-ass posters. "We're going to make 2 sleazy grindhouse movies that deliver on their posters!"

- Tarantino also said the faux trailers for the films are so good that if he and Rodriguez make GRINDHOUSE 2 the audience will demand to see the feature movies from the trailers of GRINDHOUSE, they're that cool.

- Quentin said that PLANET TERROR is the zombie film John Carpenter would have done around the time between ESCAPE FROM NEW YORK and THE THING. That's the tone, at least.

- Will Tarantino ever do a kid's movie? He said he loves kids movies, but if he ever does one "I don't know if it'll be recognizable as a kid's movie... but it'd be something I'd show my kids!"

- KILL BILL sequels? Tarantino said after he does GRINDHOUSE he has an idea for two KILL BILL anime prequels he wants to start going. One focuses on Bill's back story and it'll have Pai Mei, Esteban Vihaio and Hatori Hanzo, all of Bill's father figures. The other would be a prequel on The Bride. I'd assume on assignment as an assassin, but that's my speculation.

- Film moved from December '06 to April '07. "Took us from Christmas to Easter."


They played a rather long clip, which had footage from Rodriguez's segment and one of the fake trailers they made. The footage opens up with the grindhouse snipe that played before KILL BILL (a real snipe used back in the day) and the brand new RIP logo (Rodriguez International Pictures, a play off of AIP, American International Pictures, which was Roger Corman's distribution company in his glory days). The logo is a tombstone with RIP etched on it. The tombstone is surrounded by flames.

Footage starts with Tom Savini playing a small town cop running into the station. Freddy Rodriguez is there, in shackles and Michael Biehn is there, another cop. Savini's hand is bloody and he screams about someone biting through his finger. Biehn tells him to calm down and put a band-aid on it. Savini holds his hand in front of Biehn's face. "Someone bit my finger clean off!" His ring finger is missing, only a bloody nub remaining. By the way, the whole thing is splicey, frames missing, scratched up, suffering from sprocket damage (the film flutters and slips, strobing), some water damage. The effect constant, but are less heavy as the footage went on. They aren't kidding when they say they're replicating the grindhouse experience.

The cops go outside to check everything out. The music, by Rodriguez, was so fucking John Carpenter it's not even funny. If you would have told me it was Carpenter I wouldn't have doubted you. There's a car with a broken window and something on the ground, laying in the glass. Biehn picks it up and returns to Savini. "Did you find my finger?" "No, but I found your ring," Biehn says, giving over the ring.

The footage got a little choppier around here. It cut to footage from one of the trailers starring Danny Trejo in a film titled THEY CALLED HIM MACHETE.

This trailer is really damn cool, Tarantino wasn't lying about that. It had a very ROLLING THUNDER vibe with Danny Trejo sharpening long, machete blades and making out with naked women. The women, by the way, were totally naked, but had black bars covering their nips, like a lot of exploitation trailers from the time. The font for THEY CALLED HIM MACHETE was right on the period, too.

Trejo also constructs a rolling death machine, a chain gun mounted between the handlebars of a big hog of a motorcycle. There was footage of him rolling, firing the gun, jumping the bike through flames, firing all the way. The footage ended with Trejo opening up his long duster revealing at least 40 machetes strapped in against his body and on the inside of his coat. He grabs one and throws it end over end past the camera.

There was also a sort of opening credits that featured the cast. Marly Shelton, Rose McGowan, Josh Brolin (a sleazy looking Doctor), Jeff Fahey, Freddy Rodriguez, , Naveen Andrews (holding up a bizarre looking knife... his hair is still very Sayid), Michael Parks and then two girls you never really see anything besides of their hot bodies. They're credited as "The Crazy Babysitter Twins" and we see them jumping all over a car at night. The car drives away, sprawling one out on the ground... hard.

We see a truck running down a zombie, it splatters on impact, but the torso still clings to the front.

We see Freddy Rodriguez in a hospital with McGowan. He wants to hurry up and get out, the hospital apparently under siege, but McGowan at some point had her right leg removed and points to her stump. Rodriguez looks around and breaks off table leg and rams it into her stump. They hobble out, Freddy supporting her as she clops down the hall. These "infected" zombie dudes attack and Freddy leaves McGowan trying to keep her balance as he knifes a bunch of them (one blade in each hand). He even does a "run up the wall flip backwards" thing and gets one. He goes back to get McGowan and she tells him he could have just carried her...

Next thing we see is Quentin Tarantinio himself, some sort of twisted back alley surgeon. He replaces the table-leg peg leg and attaches a machine gun. We see her use this in the footage and it kicks a large amount of ass. One shot has her leaping from a decent height, landing on her hands and knees and lifting her machine gun leg and blowing the shit out of a car with it. There was another instance where she was on the back of a motorcycle machine-leg-gunning down some zombies as they sped through the crowd.

There you have it, squirts! Done and done. I'm going to transcribe one interview before I let myself sleep tonight. Trust me, you're going to want to read this one, especially you comic book fans!


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  • July 22, 2006, 2:27 p.m. CST

    Eh - not Mickey Rourke but...

    by McGsStepson

    as I said before I'm still excited about this. would have rather had Rourke.

  • July 22, 2006, 2:28 p.m. CST


    by tiredpm

    If anyone can bring back the fucking coolness of Russel, it should be Tarantino. Not that he has ever been not cool, but this should sharpen the edge again!

  • July 22, 2006, 2:30 p.m. CST

    John Carpenter

    by Vern

    God damn, that's good news if it happens. Get out the old keyboards Carpenter. It'll all come back to you.

  • July 22, 2006, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russell?

    by Mechasheeva

    These days he's more friendly dad-type than badass, but if anyone's gonna restore him to his former glory it'll be QT. I'm pretty much crapping my pants in anticipation for this thing . . .

  • July 22, 2006, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Planet Terror

    by Karl Childers

    I'm still wishing this was a full-length movie without Tarantino's.

  • July 22, 2006, 2:40 p.m. CST

    How will Russel fit this in?

    by LilOgre

    Between the back-to-back sequels for SKY HIGH 2 & 3? Unless he's planning on dropping out and the studio recasting his role with Jake Gyllenhaal. Harry must be pissed. Sorry Harry.

  • July 22, 2006, 2:54 p.m. CST


    by NeotheLessar

    More and more goodness!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Kurt better curb-stomp some bitches

    by BurtGummer

    a la American History X

  • July 22, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Yeah, in spite of how cool this sounds...

    by DanielKurland

    And I lvoe the continued use of Earl McGraw, please get on with Inglorious Bastards. It's all ready written!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:13 p.m. CST

    Karl Childers

    by DrRumpledink

    What's the problem? just watch Robert's and don't watch Tarantino's then!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:16 p.m. CST


    by Zarles

    I'll bet if this con was about bashing Lucas for destroying your childhood with nothing but his checkbook, your keyboard would've ignited by now. FASTER, DAMMIT!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:19 p.m. CST

    Sounds awesome. Tarantino should film a third "Escape"

    by Chief Redcock

    movie with Russell: Escape from New Orleans. Now THAT, my friends, would be worth its weight in gold. I'm sure Russell will do fine with the role, though Rourke would have been interesting... also glad they're both feature length, so it seems less like one of those lame Tarantino side projects. But From Dusk Till Dawn the best Rodriguez footage? Are we not counting Sin City for some reason?

  • July 22, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by Mechasheeva

    Yeah, whatever happened to that project? I wanna see Adam Sandler kill some damn Nazis!!!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:24 p.m. CST

    kurt motherfucking russell!!!!

    by Kevin

    this is by far the best bit of news to surface from the comic con. russell going back to being a badass, carpenter climbing behind his synths again, both segments being full length features...goddamn, it's a good time to be a film geek. is it me or between grind house and the sequels to stargate being announce kurt russell is finally coming back? god, i fucking hope so!

  • July 22, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I'll say it again, Escape from New Orleans...

    by Chief Redcock

    ...directed by Quentin Tarantino, starring Kurt Russell. Make it so.

  • July 22, 2006, 3:38 p.m. CST

    His best looking movie since Dusk?

    by Darth Evil Dead

    I think Sin City is his best LOOKING movie? But thats my own opinion. Anyways this movie will be gold. Now if Quenton will just get off his ass and give us a Kill Bill SE with the two movies cut as one.. I can live as a happy man.

  • July 22, 2006, 3:42 p.m. CST

    I'm extremely fucking excited about this

    by John-Locke

    Russell is Badass, I can't wait to see him play a villain. Carpenter music too? Sweetness indeed. Two movies for the price of one? I think I need to change my pants.

  • July 22, 2006, 3:52 p.m. CST

    *sigh* Oh Kurt, I'm so disappointed.

    by DerLanghaarige

    I hope, this will be more "Kill Bill 1" or "Reservoir Dogs" than "Pulp Fiction", "Jackie Brown", "Kill Bill 2", his "Four Rooms"-Episode or his "CSI"-Episode, or otherwise you need a good explaination for stinker #2, right after "Poseidon".

  • July 22, 2006, 4:09 p.m. CST

    So Theyll Play The Two Movies Back To Back?

    by flamingrunt

    if theyre both full length features does this mean you pay the one price and sit down for both movies back to back? So youre there for like 4 hours?

  • July 22, 2006, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by oh_riginal

    I hope so, and hopefully Quention will see that he could have easily put Kill Bill out as one movie, and people still would have paid to see it. As for your name, I'm kinda confused... is it flamin' GRUNT, or flaming RUNT?

  • July 22, 2006, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Clarification is needed...

    by DanielKurland

    From Quint's transcript, I got the impression that by Tarantino saying "these aren't just one hour movies" is more of a statement that these are quality films that they put full effort into and that they will still be an hour each, but shouldn't be dismissed as only "half films". Hopefully I'm wrong though, because both being like 90 minutes would be fantastic, and judging by the script lengths, maybe this is the case...

  • July 22, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST

    My apologies...

    by DanielKurland

    That one hour comment was in fact not a quote, so it looks like it will be two complete features, and this will actually be the 5th Tarantino film.

  • July 22, 2006, 4:36 p.m. CST

    My guess...

    by Chief Redcock

    ...they'll probably be released as two separate movies... Grindhouse: Death Proof and Grindhouse: Planet Terror, or something. Then you can have the option of seeing both or just one. It's just more marketable that way, most people don't have time for a 4 hour movie.

  • July 22, 2006, 4:37 p.m. CST

    You could always just leave...

    by DanielKurland

    If they are only charging you for one movie, you could just leave after the first, or find out when the second one starts and come in late.

  • July 22, 2006, 4:57 p.m. CST

    I thought I read they were played back to back. . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . with there fake move trailers to boot. I thought it was all there for one price w/ an intermission in between the flicks. QT said they were trying to recreate old exploitation double features at the drive-in. Thought I read that somewhere. Maybe I dreamt it. Who knows? I wanted Rourke but Russell will kick ass. I get sick of all the Bruce Campbell love around here, but was actually wanting him after I heard Rourke was out. I was excited enough for this but the Carpenter score news got me extra pumped! Damnit, I want this opening this Halloween.

  • July 22, 2006, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Michael Parks!

    by Mechasheeva

    I loved what little time was given to that character in Kill Bill. Can't wait to see Parks hick it up again. And man, if each of these is indeed 90 minutes or more, that'll be the best 3-4 hours I'll have spent in a movie theatre in awhile. So exciiiiiiiiited!!

  • July 22, 2006, 5:27 p.m. CST


    by Kevin

    quint, update this! spill the beans on everything. describe the footage shown. PLEASE!!!

  • July 22, 2006, 5:37 p.m. CST

    if the films are really that long watch out because

    by emu47

    they will likely be released 1 at a time.

  • July 22, 2006, 5:55 p.m. CST

    HOW can they be released one at a time...

    by DanielKurland

    The entire purpose of this collaboration was to emulate the B-movie double feature of GRIND HOUSES, splitting them up would defeat this purpose, and would have a lot of the audience just thinking these directors made shitty movies, instead of movies intentionally fitting the "B-movie mold". Also, if you split it up, where would the mock trailers go?

  • July 22, 2006, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Yeah I don't see this getting split up

    by Mechasheeva

    King Kong and LOTR proved 3-hour movies can be profitable, and with Tarantino and Rodriguez at the helm, names in the cast, and horror being a hot genre these days, a 3-hour double feature is pretty bankable. I can see the marketing now: From 2 of the 3 directors of Sin City comes the direct result of geeks with money!!!

  • July 22, 2006, 6:43 p.m. CST

    by BOOOOOOOO!!Bs

    wait, Rourke's out! Russel's replacing Rourke? Ah, shit I thought it was both, both is ideal gd also does anybody remember hearing about spike jonze and charlie kaufman doing a werewolf horror movie? its unrelated but as long as we're talking about high concept, big name, mainstreamindie stuff...

  • July 22, 2006, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Jonze Werewolf movie...

    by DanielKurland

    From what I recall it was actually Chuck Palahniuk and Spike Jonze working on a horror film. Both would be fantastic, but clearly not much has happened on either front...

  • July 22, 2006, 7:04 p.m. CST

    No, no. no. This is a bunch of 80s nostalgia bullshit.

    by heywood jablomie

    I read QT's Deathproof script and the character is VERY CLEARLY written for Mickey Rourke. It describes his "redneck elegance," and Stuntman Mike speaks in a certain wry, ironic cadence that is totally Mickey Rourke. Kurt Russell, God bless him, is not an antihero, even as Snake Plissken. And he's certainly not a disfigured cackling sadist. This seems like a poor choice. Also, the killer character is the ONLY good part of the script (except for the two action sequences). Miscast that and I dunno what you got.

  • July 22, 2006, 7:08 p.m. CST

    That means a new full length Tarantino movie,,,

    by JiggamanSpence

    ...Fuck Yeah!

  • July 22, 2006, 7:26 p.m. CST

    You Goddamn Kids Don't Know Shit...

    by DirtyRatBastard

    Apparently you people are completely missing the point of Grindhouse. In the 70's, double features were COMMON. In fact, some theaters only booked movies if they could play as a double feature with something else of a similar nature. The fact that Tarantino revealed that the films are feature length really sell it for me. I love the Talkbacker who whined about whether the film will be too long, and that people "don't have time", I wonder why that is for the intended market? Do you mean that you don't have time to sit your fat ass back at home and get on the internet to bitch about things you cannot control? Jesus. I say bring back the double feature as standard. Hell, I still have a one-sheet from the 70's where Dirty Harry and Magnum Force played as a double bill. You geeks today are a bunch of impatient pussies...

  • July 22, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russell Isn't Great News!!! This is Bullshit!!!

    by MetalWater

    Kurt Russell only gets jobs in Hollywood because of Goldie Hawn's connections!!! All of his movies...every last one of them, always bombs at the box office...with the exception of a a so, so hit in respect to the movie Stargate...and believe me, that had nothing to do with Kurt Russell, rather, it had everything to do with the concept!!! That movie was going to do okay no matter who starred in it!!! This is yet another example od Hollywood's notorious White Boy Welfare System...where you don't have to have a fan base, and your movies don't ever have to be successful at the box office, etc., it's just all about who you know...who's black mailing you...who you are blackmailing or who you are sleeping with!!! The latter of which, leading to more black mail of course!!! Just ask Kate Hudson for instants. Her career has made her a multi-millionaire, and yet, all of her movies have bombed at the box office!!! These people don't even have a fan base and they are still getting grossly over paid jobs in high profile movies. Don't believe me...well, I submit Lindsey Lohan as more proof off this incestuous Hollywood (in crowd) "I got you back, you don't have to be good, or even make millions" kind of garbage!!! Yeah...your next 10 jobs are guaranteed, no matter don't sweat it buddy!!! Lindsey Lohan, save for two hit films, has had a string of box office bombs...about 6 to 7 in a row now, and still...the big pay checks and roles keep on suspeciously rolling in!!! No, you don't have to be good...wanted, or even in demand by any audiences or fan base just have to be a part of the Good 'Ol Boy Network ...and show up to the party for your free multi-million dollar pay check!!! Looks like Tarantino has put Kurt Russell on his Man Crush Casting Couch!!! But, let me tell you something ...GrindHouse will bomb at the B.O., and we all know it!!! And if Tarantino's next 10 or 11 films bomb at the box office...or turn out to be absolute trash...he'll still be making multi-million dollar deals no matter what...because that White Boy Welfare will always keep rolling in the dough!!!

  • July 22, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by Nate Champion

    This is complete and total bullshit. The Tarantino-Rourke collaboration has been in the cards for years... it's one of those things that just has to happen. And now we get KURT RUSSELL PLAYING A PSYCHO KILLER? FUCK THAT! This is just more proof that Tarantino is a pussy-ass shell running on the fumes of his short-lived glory.

  • July 22, 2006, 8:10 p.m. CST

    GRIND HOUSE stuff from the message board.

    by LHombreSiniestro

    Thought whoever wasnt part of it would like to know: Rodriguez and Tarantino Present Grindhouse! Source: Blake Wright July 22, 2006 Directors Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino world premiered footage from their new exploitation double feature Grindhouse at the San Diego Comic-Con on Saturday. The clip shown was cobbled together from the first of the two features

  • July 22, 2006, 8:32 p.m. CST


    by hank quinlan

    I love Russell. Glad he got the job. But...yeah...I've read both scripts. And they put Kurt Russell in them. And get John Carpenter to do the score and make it a double feature blah blah. Everyone geeks out. But the scripts are less then impressive. Everyone is going to shit themselves wanting to like the movie cuz its supposed to be badass. Let me tell you...Deathproof was so boring I could barely read 20 pages. It took everything I had to finish the thing. (possible spoilers) It's 40 pages of girls driving around Austin, ending up at some bar, giving some guy a (clothed) lapdance, taking about sex and food in some really cringe worthy dialouge. Then a little action. Then 4 more chicks doing the same thing and then a car chase. I couldnt believe Tarantino had written it. I won't say too much about Terror. I promised my friend I would. Except there is some weird shit. I mean not like in a cool way. Like a what the fuck is this. Someone mentioned the stump gun. Yeah...if you think thats cool...then this is your movie. There are a lot of characters. A lot. And most aren't really that interesting. I was turned off. It is better then QT's. Here's the other thing. It sounds like a cool deal to have it be that long. But its going to be like 4 hours. So if you hate either one of the movies or worse, both, gonna be a long movie. I think its 4 Rooms territory. I wish everyone would get some perspective on these guys. Not everything they shit out is gold. Especially RR. He's never made a really classic movie. Some people might argue for Sin City (which I disliked) but even if I give you that...thats a lot of mediocre films. People may want to emulate his filmaking ethos but I have never met anyone who wants to make films like him. And by the way, there's a lot of mythmaking. I live in Austin. He has a massive crew, studio and infrastructure. It's not like he's out there with his little video camera and some friends. You want to be impressed with someone...try Shane Carruth who made a movie (on film!) that reaches Kubrickian heights in terms of ambition and intelligence for no money. Instead, everyone flips out cuz RR rides on the back of Carpenter, who actually had his own style and themes and cranked out a few genre masterpieces. RR acts he's the first guy to think of zombies as infected people. And QT...buddy, lay off the coke and ego. So, that's cool, call me a hater. I just expect more from these guys. And I'm tired of them getting a free pass. Still, props to RR for fucking McGowan.

  • July 22, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST

    hank quinlan

    by capitol f

    remeber darwin mayflower's review of kill bill on coming attractions (R.I.P. corona)? he ripped it apart for being boring and describing every single detail. from house decorations to the chopping off of arms and heads. and we all know how that turned out. my point is, he's a filmmaker not a writer. a lot happens from script to screen.

  • July 22, 2006, 9:28 p.m. CST

    There shoulda been a movie titled SNAKE PLISSKEN

    by BrandLoyalist

    Him doing some kind of contract job or something in Carpenter's future USA - not Escaping from Anyplace in particular. I think this was someone else's idea from some past thread. And no surfing! Chief Redcock, your idea raises the dangerous prospect of storm surge surfing. Kurt Russell is the shit in his own way, but it's a real bummer that it isn't going to be Mr. Rourke... seemed so perfect. Any rumors as to why?

  • July 22, 2006, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Jack Burton is coming to save our summer!

    by Mr Nice Gaius

    Way to go Kurt!

  • July 22, 2006, 10:42 p.m. CST


    by chien_sale

    Yea i`m a geek so what. I haven`t been this excited in a while.

  • July 22, 2006, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Escape from New Orleans - TOO SOON

    by asleeplessmind

  • July 22, 2006, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russell, the Bad Guy?

    by Black Satin 2

    I'm kinda worried. Kurt usually plays good guys don't he. Oh wait, he was MacReady in the Thing and he sort of was the bad guy in that movie. Man, that movie is a classic now. I had no doubt in Quinten's capabilities; he pretty much made Travolta, Sam Jackson, Robert Forrester, David Carradine and Darryl Hannah badasses overnight. Hell, I wanna see Darryl Hannah in something again. He could do a good job with Kurt. Still, I'd like to see Carpenter come back strong too.

  • July 23, 2006, 12:25 a.m. CST

    $20 says Weinsteins make us pay double to see this!

    by Darth Bauer

    Since they split Kill Bill, now they'll make us pay for a double feature. Bullcrap.

  • July 23, 2006, 12:52 a.m. CST

    The big question about Planet Terror is...

    by mr.underwater

    What CG house is working on it? Since they'll be the one actually making the film. That's just how Rodriguez operates nowadays. The CG houses make the movies, he gives the interviews. Face it, he looks better in a cowboy hat than a gang of pasty computer dorks. Or, will he'll actually be doing something for this one? If so, bad idea. Once Upon a Time in Mexico was the last time he tried that, and even this site couldn't give it a pass with a straight face. He should just keep letting guys behind computers make his movies for him, since they seem to be better at it.

  • July 23, 2006, 1:50 a.m. CST

    Rourke Fired Because He's A Republican!!!

    by MetalWater

    Mickey Rourke publicly came to the support of George Bush in the press and has pronounced himself a Bush man!!! Now, his film career is toast again!!! Nobody in Hollywood is going to pay an actor like Rourke tons of money so he can go and use that cash to support George Bush!!!

  • July 23, 2006, 2:35 a.m. CST


    by Mechasheeva

    If that's why QT dropped Rourke, wait to go QT! And Republicans get plenty of work in Hollywood - Clint Eastwood is one of the most revered directors out there these days.

  • July 23, 2006, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Michael Biehn!!!!!!!! Hooray!!!!!!!!

    by kwisatzhaderach

    Cameron better cast him in Avatar or there'll be trouble!

  • July 23, 2006, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    Actually, Superman Returns looked like a fucking cartoon.

  • July 23, 2006, 3:12 a.m. CST

    This shit is...

    by Harysuxafat1

    pretty fuckin' cool. I'm pumped to see Russell and QT work together.

  • July 23, 2006, 3:37 a.m. CST


    by Mr Brownstone

    What makes you think Eastwood is a Republican? You might be surprised.

  • July 23, 2006, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Dear, sweet lord.

    by CoursinLarry

    TMNT, Grind House, Spider-Man 3, Tenacious D, Borat, what else? Oh, fucking Transformers! There are too many cool movies coming my way.

  • July 23, 2006, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Goldie Hawn's vast Hollywood Power...

    by JackRabbitSlim

    I'm still laughing. BTW - Kurt Russel-starring "Miracle" made a truckload o cash - And Eastwood is a devout Republican - along with Costner, James Woods, a few others. "Escape from New Orleans" = smackin the funny

  • July 23, 2006, 6:57 a.m. CST

    The full KILL BILL script was 222 pages!

    by RaulMonkey

    So with this one clocking in at 240 PLUS trailers--make of that what you will. And IMO there hasn't been a decent Kurt Russell movie since BREAKDOWN, but even money says the man still knows how to kick ass. He's ripe for a Tarantino-induced comeback in a big fuckin' way.

  • July 23, 2006, 7:56 a.m. CST

    No, actually Clint is a Libertarian

    by rollermonkey He was a Republican as mayor and with Reagan but has turned away from the Republican party and refused to campaign for Bush. He voted for Ross Perot and he criticizes the current administration as much as he does the Democrats.

  • July 23, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Fuck, so now we have to wait another half a year?

    by DanielKurland

    I guess since we're essentially getting one extra movie now (two full lengths, instead of two half lengths) it's all right. But still frustrating to have to wait for it.

  • July 23, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST


    by BDT

    I cannot wait. April? Doggone it! Love the way this movie sounds!

  • July 23, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Good God!

    by Bloodstained

    I want to see this movie right the fuck now please.

  • July 23, 2006, 12:13 p.m. CST

    The movie footage made me produce Hawaii in my pants...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Fucking looks insanely awesome. You guys who didn't see it have no idea. Quint did the kick-ass-ery no justice.

  • July 23, 2006, 12:59 p.m. CST


    by Ibyt

    ok - first off - anyone who thinks that RR & QT are sucking harvey or bob wenstein's cock is a moron. ITS THE OTHER WAY AROUND YOU IDIOT! second - to the guy who claims to have read RRs Planet Terror script - YOU LIE! yes - you have read QT's but what loser in Hwood hasnt. every person that auditioned got the entire script which is how it got on the net. the RR script has been well guarded - tell me one REAL thing from that script and ill buy that you have read but - i doubt it loser. three - GH is far from a CG movie. its the most walking and talking that RR has done in a long time so shut up about Planet Terror being some computer creation. dont speak if you dont know. four - i agree - this movie will NEVER be split into 2 - DOUBLE FEATURE ALL THE WAY! five - rourke isnt in the movie because he doesnt know how to keep his life together not because he is a republican which BTW is reason enough. KURT RULES! six - the big surprise was how HOT marley shelton looked- her poster was so cool! seven - the FOOTAGE ROCKED!!! cant wait to see what QT has to offer.

  • July 23, 2006, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Hell yeah

    by Mits777

    I cant wait to see the finished project. I have no doubt its gonna kick ass like kill bill, sin city, and dusk till dawn. I know exactly where that drive in on the Death Proof poster on Burnet Road is. Too bad im too young to have had a chance to experience it first hand. Speaking of nostalgia check out my review of Road House 2 the sequel to Mr Patrick Swayze's 80's hit.

  • July 23, 2006, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Why do you people have to be so fucking cynical?

    by Black Jesus

    I mean, Christ. First of all, to the idiot that said the script was bad... uh... it's a fucking B movie! It's intentionally bad! Why is it such a hard concept for some people to understand that some movies are cheesy/bad/whatever on purpose? It's the whole fucking point. Second, why can't you people just sit back and enjoy the ride? The internet has really destroyed the movie-going experience. People go into these things already knowing everything about them and already knowing if they're gonna like it or not before they even buy a ticket. What happened to the days when all you knew about a movie was what you saw in the trailer and what you might have read in Starlog magazine? It's really too bad that it's gotten to this point. How about just wait and see the dame thing before deciding it sucks?

  • July 23, 2006, 2:58 p.m. CST

    With that said...

    by Black Jesus

    I'm extremely excited about this movie. April can't come soon enough. Oh, and fuck Mickey Rourke. Yeah, that's right. Fuck him. And I mean that with the utmost respect because Mickey Rourke is cool, but he already played a psycho killer in Sin City. Let somebody new join the fray. The fact that Kurt Russell hasn't done shit worth a shit in years is enough to get me excited about this. It's out of his comfort zone, and if anybody can make him badass again, it's these guys.

  • July 23, 2006, 2:59 p.m. CST

    From Dusk Til Dawn

    by Jar Jar 4 Prez hardly the best looking movie that Robert Rodriguez has made.

  • July 23, 2006, 3:08 p.m. CST

    weird Kurt Russell story...

    by beamish13

    a number of years ago, my mother was driving near the Beverly Center, when she spotted Russell in a convertible in the next lane over. She's always had something for him, so she stared at him long enough for him to notice and blow her a kiss before speeding away. I have no clue as to what the hell I would have done had I been a passenger in the car at the time...

  • July 23, 2006, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke and George W Bush

    by Frank Black

    I'm not a Bush supporter because I've never trusted out government and I see no reason to start now but I love, love, love Mickey Rourke and I don'r care who an actor supports if he is a great actor. Mickey Rourke is awesome and eccentric and speaks his mind and we have to love and respect freedom of speech in America or else we're missing the point!

  • July 23, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Who cares if MIckey Rouke...

    by rbatty024

    supports Bush. Personally I think Bush will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents (he talks a big game, but never delivers...where the hell is Osama Bin Laden, didn't he kill 3,000 Americans?). However, it makes no difference what politics an actor has so long as they put in a good performance.

  • July 23, 2006, 4:38 p.m. CST

    I hate Osama Bin Laden

    by The Atomic Worm

    But I'm gonna love Grind House

  • July 23, 2006, 5:57 p.m. CST

    RIP Just fucking go away, Rodrigues!

    by CrayonPie

    He is such a fucking hack. I guess this is the leeching stage of his career. Miller, Tarantino or his own little kid doesnt matter. He is vacant and artless. Maybe Quentin will give him the boot after he kicks his serious coke habit.

  • July 23, 2006, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Crayon Pie

    by Mechasheeva

    First learn to spell his name. Then watch what El Mariachi and see what the man achieved with about five bucks. Then watch Desperado and tell me it's an artless movie. Then watch Sin City and tell me it's artless. Sure his movies don't require brains, but Rodriguez makes some of the most flat-out fun movies out there (speaking more of his R-rated features, obviously).

  • July 23, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Goldie Hawns Vast Hollywood Power!!!

    by MetalWater

    You keep laughing idiot!!! Back in the 80's, Goldie Hawn was bigger than any female star in the business...and became a hugely successful producer of her own film projects. And the way the incestuous nature of Hollywood works, once they let you into the in crowd, unless you are a total always have the big connections. What, you say you want your daughter to be considered for a role? We'll do you one better...the part is already questions asked. What, you say Kurt needs some jobs so he won't be made to feel like a himbo...and a gigolo? Sure thing Goldie...whatever you want! Kurt's got the job!!! That's the way Hollywood works folks...believe it or not!!!

  • July 23, 2006, 7:56 p.m. CST

    The Weinstein's vs. Rourke!!!

    by MetalWater

    You may not care about political affiliations...but you're not considering the rest of Hollywood!!! And if you're the Weinstein Brothers, why should you help keep the lights on for a Bush supporter???!!! Yes Bush, somebody who doesn't believe in freedom of speech...who is anti Hollywood and anti arts!!! Now, Rourke can have all of the freedom of speech that he wants...but it doesn't mean that the Weinstein's are obligated to finance it!!! Rourke is finished in Hollywood!!! Time to star in porn!!! Ball Busters 2 will be a great starring role for him!!! I can't wait to miss it!!!

  • July 23, 2006, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by CrayonPie George Lucas'cheap Mexican equivalent.

  • July 23, 2006, 8:06 p.m. CST

    I want to like Rodriguez...

    by CrayonPie

    ...I want to be inspired by his seemingly innocent desire to create but his work is craft without soul. It is artless and journeyman-like. Tarantino is the antithesis of this. He finds the soul of a piece and uses the conventions of the genre to twist and examine it. Sin City is not Rodriguez', it's Millers.

  • July 23, 2006, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Desperado is an artless movie...

    by CrayonPie

    ...saved only by the presence of Salma Hayek. I admire El mariachi more for the effort that went to making it than for the final result. Spy Kids is by far his best movie and as we now know, he isnt up to living that films message. Just ask his soon to be ex-wife.

  • July 23, 2006, 8:27 p.m. CST

    6 Words That' ll Make Grindhouse A Classic

    by utz_world


  • July 23, 2006, 8:28 p.m. CST


    by CrayonPie

    ...that would be very original

  • July 23, 2006, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Why am I so crabby today?

    by CrayonPie

    No good reason really. Please forgive my out of character ass-holiness!

  • July 23, 2006, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Mickey Rourke is far from finished!

    by Frank Black

    I am sure there was a schedule conflict and that Mickey Rourke will return for another Sin City. His star is on the rise (again) and his political preference will hurt him no more than it has Sean Penn or Ron Silver... (Wait, did I say Ron Silver? Did his political preference hurt his career or did he?) I can't recall but I have still enjoyed his work as well.

  • July 23, 2006, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Rourke...Is Over Jim!!!

    by MetalWater

    Please!!! Ron Silver, a real life ex CIA agent, can only get bit parts...and not the big roles anymore!!! He'd be lucky to get a Raid commercial these days!!! And Sean Penn is pretty much in agreement with Hollywoods's political viewpoints...that's why he is still getting the big job!!! Now as far as Rourke is concerned, you are right...he's not finished...Why? Because he can always do Big Pricks 5...He'll be the king of porn!!!

  • July 23, 2006, 9:45 p.m. CST


    by Mechasheeva

    Like Metawater said, Sean Penn's in the liberal camp. He's just pretentious and self-important. Damn fine actor, though.

  • July 23, 2006, 10:03 p.m. CST

    True Mechasheeva

    by Frank Black

    I know Sean Penn is very liberal (I think he even makes liberals cringe sometimes) but I don't think Hollywood is as liberal as it is made out to be. California is a weird place to begin with but I am trapped in the f*cking OC and these people don't know what the hell they stand for. I lean left but love my more conservative friends and am still of the belief that both sides make the nation great. Robert Duvall is conservative and about as cool as they come. I love my righties and my lefties all the same and as long as they don't wroship aliens... (oh go ahead, worship away, I'll love you guys too!)

  • July 23, 2006, 10:36 p.m. CST


    by Mechasheeva

    I'm about as leftie as they come but I still shy away from Penn. Maybe it has more to do with him being a dick. Or maybe it has to do with him almost destroying the world in Team America. I think Hollywood puts forth this liberal image because they're the much more vocal side in Hollywood right now, helping with campaigning and making leftist-themed films like Syriana, Good Night and Good Luck, and dare I say V for Vendetta. But obviously from names we've seen here (Duvall, Eastwood, etc.) there's still some big hitters for the right wing in Hollywood . . . and though I may detest his politics if Rourke isn't brought back for Sin City 2, there'll be a lot of anger on my part.

  • July 23, 2006, 10:51 p.m. CST

    And since this is a QT-related thread

    by Mechasheeva

    Chiahead posted this link over on a different thread so I thought I'd bring it over here. Seems our man Quentin's got 2 more Kill Bills on the way. My question is, when do we get to see Inglorious Bastards? The title alone makes it hard to wait!

  • July 23, 2006, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Fox Force 5!!!

    by MetalWater

    One of the Trailers for this movie should be a cheapy film version of Fox Force 5, starring Uma Thurman..."The tv pilot they didn't want you to see, is now a movie! Fox Force 5...coming to theatres everywhere this summer!"

  • July 23, 2006, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Rourke...Conservative Porn Star???

    by MetalWater

    BTW...Mickey Rourke will be perfect in Anal Gang Bang 50...since doing porn is gonna be the only thing he can do to keep the money coming in!!!

  • July 23, 2006, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Killing me MetalWater...

    by Frank Black

    ...with laughter! Your Fox Force 5 is EXCELLENT! Absolutely should happen. The fact that you will not let the Mickey Rourke/porn thing die makes me laugh even harder so I say we keep it going for as long as we can just to see how many days we can keep posting on the subject and keep this thread alive. Why not Mickey Rourke and Ron Jeremy in a buddy cop movie/porn? Awesome! (I'll be back tomorrow to keep the fire alive!)

  • July 24, 2006, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Since Kojima wants Viggo to be Solid Snake...

    by Shermdawg

    Please let Josh Holloway inherit the Plissken role one day.

  • July 24, 2006, 12:17 a.m. CST

    Rourke And Ron Jeremy...The New Bash Brothers!!!

    by MetalWater

    Anal Cops 14: Maximum Penetration!!! Sounds like a hit to me...I'd buy that on DVD!!! I spoke too soon...Mickey Rourke's career will be bigger then ever!!! This will be a huge hit that will make more money than GrindHouse any day!!! The Dark Brothers can't wait to direct this thing!!!

  • July 24, 2006, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Would love to see another Escape sequel..

    by Agent sith

    As well as the Anime and videogame that was proposed 4 years ago.Just that it ain't gonna happen.

  • July 24, 2006, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Sly Stallone shoulda got the part....

    by jamazio

    Yeah, ya heard me. How fucking awesome would that have been?

  • July 24, 2006, 7:34 a.m. CST


    by tompbeast

    Does the very talented Tarantino have to team up with the not so talented R Rodriguez? Dusk til Dawn was an embarrassing piece of junk and the only semi-decent thing RR ever did was Sin City. It sounds cool with Kurt Russel and all but the woman with the machine gun leg sounds as cool as Tom Savini's crotch cannon!

  • July 24, 2006, 7:48 a.m. CST

    OJ Simpson...Should Play Mad Man Mike!!!

    by MetalWater

    Joey Buttafuco would have been a better choice than Kurt Russell!!! And if Tarantino really had any guts...he go all out to piss everybody off by casting OJ Simpson as Mad Man Mike!!! Now that would be truly scary!!!

  • July 24, 2006, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Oh Man, I Can't Wait To See This!!!

    by ZombieSolutions

    yay grindhouse exploitation! yay!

  • July 24, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    The kill bill re-edit has fallen through. not that i would want to see that over-hyped piece of junk again. Looking back its amazing has his films date so easily.

  • July 24, 2006, 12:11 p.m. CST

    in stormbreaker

    by emeraldboy

    Mickey Rourke wears blue eye shadow.

  • July 24, 2006, 12:27 p.m. CST

    Between that scene description from...

    by Childe Roland

    ...Rodriguez's zombie piece and the Kurt RUssel casting news, this is the first time I've been excited about this project. The Kill Bill anime prequels smack of QT talking about another thing he's never going to do and, really, I hope he doesn't. That whole derivative, self-indulgent Kill-Billaverse bores the ever-loving fuck out of me.

  • July 24, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Kurt is also republican,last I heard

    by liljuniorbrown

    So the excuse of Rourke not getting the job based on his political views is crap. Bruce Willis supports Bush as well or atleast he supports alot of he programs Bush has put out there. Now did Rourke ruin his career? atleast once or twice,but not for deciding to back an unpopular president. Bush may have made some bad choices, but all presidents have.Bush is not some Hitler type,maniac the way some people claim. Nobody is perfect. I say Rourke should play Jigsaw in a Punisher sequl.

  • July 24, 2006, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Metalwater, you get the unintentionally funny award!

    by oceansized

    And I'm guessing you've got a few other conspiracy theories too. Where do I even start metal? While I'm sure there's some favortism/exclusionism in the film business, no actor is ever going to get a major role in a feature that way unless they can also deliver on the bottom line. The film business, probably more than most others, is a meritocracy. Doesn't matter who you're related to if you can't deliver. As for other flaws in your argument: If Goldie Hawn is so powerful, why aren't Speilbergs wife and daughter (just as an example)getting all the acting jobs? And if Hollywood gives away so many jobs to people who lose money, why haven't they gone out of business by now?! Is this nothing but an elaborate excuse for your own broken dreams, metal? Kinda sorta sounds like it.

  • July 24, 2006, 2:36 p.m. CST

    sounds too good to be true, and RE: Mickey

    by Homer Sexual

    This double feature sounds too good to be true. I wish this would be released as stated, with 2 features an intermission and fake trailers. I just can't count on the studio allowing that to happen. And as pointed out, Russell is Republican. But what really made me laugh is the "big bucks" part. Bucks, yeah, but Mickey isn't exactly in a place to get big bucks from anyone.

  • July 24, 2006, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Read ME You Need Me

    by BillyRayVirus

    First off yes it is awful that people like Kurt Russell and Lindsay Lohan get to still make movies even though they are complete corporate and fan dissapointments but Indy films (unless made in a backyard somwhere) suffer from the same type of politics. People get jobs from being friends with people, sleeping with people ect. As for Grind House it sounds intriguing and i'm not worried about the script sucking because all in all they are both directors not writers. There style is what sells tickets. As for Kurt Russell I can see why he was cast due to being in two great cult films (escape from New York and The Thing). But that doenst make it any better. Rourke would have been better but honestly I'm tired of come backs. Look at the horrid movies that we have been forced to exsist on the same planet with since Travolta was let loose again. I respect that they are two directors that are paying homage to the truly stylish and forgotten. Granted it is all through a completely commercialized venue but folks it's all we got left. Indy films have ceased to exsist and if I have to see on more indy flick about a messed up guy and a free spirited girl i'm going to take a hostage. At least when I walk into the theater to see grind house I can fool myslef for a little while because on some level they were trying to do something cool. Attacking Tarrantino and Rodriguez just seems pointless there are so many things worse in Hollywood. Do I wish That they had both stayed truly indy? YES! Do I think that Rodriguez made one good film that was a fluke(el maraichi) YES! So yes we all hate hollywood and wish things were diffrent but is anyone doing anything about it other then complaining. Pick up a camera, tell a story and when you get offered 10 million dollars to make a film, the thing you spent your whole life in pursuit of are you going to turn it down. When a studio says a skies the limit with your imagination. BRV

  • July 24, 2006, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Spielberg Is Too Easy!!!

    by MetalWater

    What did Spielberg do for his first wife?...Nothing career wise. And what is he doing for his second wife, a part from her role in Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom (where he met here) ...nothing!!! Why? Spielberg's wife produced a movie called The Love Letter in which she starred with Tom Selleck (Spelling?). Reportedly, on the set...during a love scene, Selleck and Spielberg's wife were to act out a kiss. The scene rolled as planned, however, well after the director yelled cut...the two reportedly kept on kissing. The director reportedly yelled cut several more times, to no avail...the two kept kissing anyway!!! The whole crew was shocked by Mrs. Spielberg's (Kate Capshaw...spelling?) amorous and seemingly inappropriate activity with Selleck. Rumors of this got all around the industry and reportedly Spielberg went to the set when details of the situation got back to him. End of Kate Capshaw's producing career, as well as her acting career...And in regard to Tom Selleck...acting parts mysteriously dried up for him like a grape turning into a raisin!!! So much for tongue kissing the wife of one of the most powerful men in Hollywood!!!I assume Selleck's alledged on set romantic overtures to Capshaw was a dig at Mr. Spielberg due to the fact that Selleck lost the role of Indiana Jones To Harrison Ford, thanks to his then newly signed contract to star on Magnum P.I. for CBS---This has haunted Selleck for years! Perhaps he blames Spielberg for not fighting hard enough to secure the job for him...I don't know. And in terms of Spielberg's acting daughter...that's not his daughter, that's his step daughter...who some say he secured a job on The Practice for. Since then, she has gotten married and that's the last time I've heard of her acting career. Perhaps she's lost interest, or is doing some other acting work that I am unaware of present. Either way...if she wants to work...a job is only a phone call away, from the hand of her step father. And in regard to Kate Capshaw...would you get her anymore work if you were Spielberg after that Tom Selleck incident? I wouldn't!!! In fact, I'd keep her ass barefoot a pregnant if I was him!!! No more acting!...No more producing!...No more show business!!! Int. Shot...Steven Spielberg's office. The phone rings. A shadowy figure answers the phone. Spielberg: Hello...Hi Goldie! What? You say Kurt Russell needs a job? Sure thing! I'll just call up Tarantino!!! Don't worry about it!!! The check's in the mail!!! (beat) I hope that guy MetalWater isn't listening to this!!! (The End?)

  • July 24, 2006, 7:52 p.m. CST


    by Mechasheeva

    I don't know where you're coming from saying Tarantino is a director but not a writer at heart. He's a great director, obviously, but his films have given us some of the most classic dialogue in movie history. I'm speaking here of Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction first, then the things that Sam Jackson says in Jackie Brown, then the Superman monologue from Kill Bill. This guy is one of the best screenwriters out there as well as one of the best directors.

  • July 25, 2006, 11:38 a.m. CST

    Metalwater, you rule!!!!!

    by oceansized

    I'm not 100% on if you're being serious or doing an elaborate leg-pull, but either it's spectacular! Turns out you do have other conspiracy theories after all. I can't bring to myself to seriously respond to your last post, but I feel your conviction. You keep reading People magazine for that hot, insider Hollywood info!

  • July 25, 2006, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I Know I Rule!!!

    by MetalWater

    BTW...the story on Spielberg, involving his wife, was reported as fact by all the big media services several years back.

  • July 26, 2006, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Sex n' nudity

    by Ed Okin

    Not to sound like a perv or anything, but will this represent the first time Tarantino has approached the old S and N in any of his movies? I mean, it's a Grindhouse flick, he kinda has to, right? It seems to me sex is a subject he has ignored more or less in his movies, which is remarkable as what he makes are more or less big budget 70's exploitation flicks, and those things were ususally chock full of it.Does he just not feel comfortable asking actresses to take off their clothes? Is it fear? Or is his world view just a violent, not a sexual one?

  • July 26, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST

    Tarantino Is A Misogynist!!!

    by MetalWater

    Extreme violence is sex to Tarantino!!! Violence and cruelty is the pornography of his films!!! And in that regard, his influence on Robert Rodriguez is equally perverse. From Dusk 'Til Dawn and Sin City are two examples of this miserable twosome's increasingly unhinged hatred of women, and GrindHouse will be their graduate thesis on violence against women, as well as women, used to perpetraite violence against other women, and men...A blatent metaphor for sex and pornography. Even Kill Bill, which was dressed as a female empowerment flick, was more about the torture and physical, and psychological destruction of women, than it was about the female hero's revenge against a man. Bill didn't suffer, but every women in the two films, Kill Bill...Volumes 1 and 2, were made to suffer horrible humiliations and pain, including Uma Thurman's character, the Bride. But the men in those movies had quick deaths. Yes, they may have been brutal...but they were quick!!! But as I said, all the women were made to suffer lingering pain!!! And the two male leads, well their deaths were clean...and picture-esque!!! And let's look at Hostel, which Tarantino produced...and the uglyness that was done to the asin girl!!! This was completely unacceptable and unnecessary on so many levels. Tarantino appears to have anger issues with women that are being manifested in his films. This is how a drug crazed rapest thinks...not a real film maker!!! Clearly these movies are a thinly disguised cry for help from a troubled man.

  • July 26, 2006, 1:06 p.m. CST

    MetalWater needs his/her own site!!!!

    by Frank Black

    MetalWater, I am in awe of your bizzare yet articulate posts which combine the absurd with dead on clarity. Please start your own web site or post a blog so we can enjoy your words in your own setting. I am totally serious and not being a dick!

  • July 26, 2006, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Capital F

    by Phimseto

    Wow....a Mayflower script review reference. I remember getting into some pretty fearsome debates on the Corona boards regarding his Kill Bill review. That was a while ago. I miss Coronoa, too, man.

  • July 26, 2006, 3:26 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    Look, we all know that QT was pissed by people coming and qouting pulp fiction at him. BUT THAT IS WHAT WAS GOOD AT. take the line from Jacki Brown about ak47s. Classic or the royale with cheese line . I went to see jackie brown and like most people who saw i was waiting for at least one cool QT line. but it never happened. Looking back I now hate Kill bill, sure some of it looked great. That was a film that QT wrote while he was not firing a full cyclinder and the decision to divide film in two is now hidnsight a mistake the second film did not live up to the hype and the both films taken together are a disappointment. Kill bill was to me a cold film which with just the odd flash of the QT magic but nothing more. Read Easy rider raginf bulls, for more stuff on The berg. Spielberg claims that he never took drugs. not true. While filming jaws which turned spielberg into a wreck, the berg ended up taking uppers, downers and sleeping tablets. ET was called night skies. it was a group of hostile aliens which take over a farmyard. the movie was a go picture. Spielber went on holiday to italy where he bumped in Melissa Mathieson. Who was writing a Childrens Bed time story. Rick Baker, had made up the 7 alien heads. When Spielberg came back and announced that he was scrapping night skies and ordered that Bakers puppets be scrapped. Baker was locked in his studio and got out when the night gaurd got a key. The next morning baker came back to find his puppets gone. Baker and spielberg never worked together again. Spielberg went to italy and discovered Carlo Ribaldi. I read that in David huges the greatest sci-fi films never made.

  • July 27, 2006, 10:18 a.m. CST

    this sounds like a masterpiece

    by macgruder

    I cant wait to see this. There is nothing better than sleazy movies that take themselves completely serious from the 70's.

  • July 27, 2006, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Metalwater is a sick mysoginist!

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Oh, Metal, you have split open like the corpse of a fat man left nine days in the badlands sun, spilling the maggot clogged rot of your psyche all over the talkback. All you seem to remember from QT's and RR's movies are the acts of violence that are perpetrated on women, even though in both of their films far more, and far more horrific violence is visited on the men. Is this because you focus on the violence done to women with sick, blinkered fascination, everything else in the films fading to gray background while you wait for your next "fix"? Or is it because you are so threatened by women that their inclusion in the oft-brutal "male" world of the action film makes you crave a humvee, something steel (metal) and powerful that will allow you to speed like a ship at sea (water) through the women (and probably ever so many other things) which threaten you? Just curious which one it is. Trust me, projection isn't the solution whether your problem is the former or the later, and a talkback is no place to come for therapy.

  • July 27, 2006, 10:37 p.m. CST

    And clean deaths, MW?

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Most brutal killing in the two movies was visited on the richly deserving Michael Bowen's Buck, who is hamstrung and then has his head crushed by repeated blows from a hospital room door while he lies helpless. Of course I can understand how you overlooked that one, Bowen being a man, or maybe blocked it.

  • July 27, 2006, 10:49 p.m. CST

    I mean, MW...

    by Red Ned Lynch that to the honorable by action movie standards deaths of Liu (nearly instantaneous death, much shorter time to anticipate oblivion than Bill and probably no feeling of pain with the top of her head removed, unlike Bill with blood dripping from his mouth as he prepares to take his five steps to oblivion) at the end of a sword fight or Fox's quick death by knife (though at the end of a very typically brutal fight that wouldn't have probably threatened you at all if it had been between Kurt Russell and Keith David, them being men, which happened in just one of the incredible genre films Russell has starred in, They Live). Compare that to the indignities suffered by Budd or Pei Mei, killed by poisons of various kinds, painful, helpless deaths robbed even of the opportunity to defend themselves. Anything else you'd like to be wrong about in this talkback?

  • July 27, 2006, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Tarantino Boot Lickers!!!

    by MetalWater

    I told the truth and all of you Tarantino "man crush" ass kissers know it!!! Tarantino needs help...and we need to encourage the Weinstein Brothers to give him a king size intervention and some much needed mental help...before it's too late!!!

  • July 28, 2006, 2:23 a.m. CST

    Ned's Been Lynched!!!

    by MetalWater

    And no, I don't find a woman being decapitated to be a clean death!!! As you may or may not know, in some theories, a person that has been decapitated may... or at least the brain of the person, may continue functioning, and thus thinking...for up to five minutes until oxygen and blood starvation fully sets in, and kills all mental functions. Hence, it is feared that the victim of decapition may be aware of their condition while their mental processes persist to function in some capacity to the point of final death. A cruel and brutal method of killing which Tarantino is surely knowledgeable about...thus the reason why he placed a decapitation scene in Kill Bill in the first place!!!

  • July 28, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST

    I think Billy Ray has it flipped around...

    by Childe Roland

    ...concerning QT's relative merits as a writer and a director. I agree with Mechasheeva to a point, QT was one of the greatest screenwriters Hollywood had ever seen. Nobody could do dialogue and character development under difficult and even implausible circumstances like he did (although Whedon came close and Smith focused more on the all-too-believable situations as backdrops for his characters). QT's stories, while often simplistic in structure and derivative in nature, had the virtue of approaching familiar (and potentially boring due to overexploration/exposure by other film makers) subject matter through the eyes of well-realized characters with distinctly bizarre perspectives. That's what made Reservoir Dogs so much better than the movie it was based on (City on Fire) and what made Pulp Fiction so watchable despite the gimmicky anachronistic editing experiment it ultimately is. You weren't so much interested in what was going on as you were in what the characters thought about what was going on (case in point, you never do find out what was in that briefcase). That's really saying something about QT the writer. Jackie Brown would've been a much better film with a good editor in the mix. It had more story than Dogs and Pulp put together, but QT was starting to feel his directorial testicles drop. He wanted everything to look cool and trusted to the actors to interpret the characters for the audience, so we ended up with Sam Jackson doing "Evil" Jules and Bobby D. mumbling the few lines of dialogue he was given. A lot of talent was wasted in that picture. From there on out, it seemed like it was all about QT the director indulging whatever "visionary" itch or wild hair he felt like scratching (although the first few minutes of From Dusk 'til Dawn show traces of his former brilliance as a writer, the majority of the writing, acting and directing on that flick is just laughable). As a director, QT is like a kid repeating jokes he's heard other, more talented people tell. He does his Hitchcock thing (camrea panning away during moments of extreme violence and casting himself in smaller roles) and his Kung Fu theatre thing and any other little trick he remembers from his obviously mammoth movie-watching days as a video store clerk. But he hasn't done anything new or innovative as a director (unless slapping together moments from a bunch of different films in anything that isn't a Zucker Brothers' style comedy is considered innovative). I think the point about his avoiding sex and nudity in his films is an important one. I honestly don't think he has the faintest idea how to write or direct a serious (or even playful) romantic scene that goes any deeper than the awkward junior high level of Mia Wallace and Vince Vega's interaction in Pulp. I'm not going to say QT's obviously never been laid, but my guess is he didn't enjoy it much and that might be because he couldn't clearly envision his own face over that of whomever he was "auditioning" at the time. I dare say he's never really been in love with anything except his own ideas (and those he's co-opted). He's never matured as a writer (mostly, I think, because he stopped caring about the writing side of things) or as a director (because he's still hung up on recreating all of those cool nostalgic cinema moments that inspired him to make movies), but he started out being pretty damned good at the former. I'd love to see him get back to that.

  • July 28, 2006, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Childe Roland

    by FentonCrisp

    Who's Smith?

  • July 29, 2006, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Metal Water...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...she wasn't decapitated. The top of head head was cut off, slicing through her brain, which is a very different thing. You are just a delightful goober.

  • July 29, 2006, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russell playing a badass againj - im there

    by Spacesheik

    pity POSEIDON was a shit film, russell deserved better but in this GRINDHOUSE thingie him playin some demented slasher, this will rock

  • July 29, 2006, 10 p.m. CST

    MetalWater's Return!!!

    by MetalWater

    My mistake...either wasn't clean!!!

  • July 31, 2006, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by DukeDeMondo

    Sweet molten mary's knackers! what a glorious article this'll be. Jeff Fahey and Rodriguez, or maybe Fahey and Tarantino, but i think the gist o' the whole affair was Jeff and Robert mess zombies somethin' savage. oh god yes, this will be spectacular.