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Teaser Poster For Abrams' STAR TREK Relaunch Revealed!!
Merrick here...
The official STAR TREK website has revealed the first teaser poster for J.J. Abrams' forthcoming relaunch of the series' theatrical component.
The poster offers no specific deatils about the film, other than specifying the year "2008", and advancing a whoppingly retro feel.
CLICK HERE TO TAKE A LOOK!!!
This poster arrives fast on the heels of Abrams' recent interview with Variety, in which he said:
"'Star Trek' to me was always about infinite possibility and the incredible imagination that Gene Rodenberry brought to that core of characters," he says. "It was a show about purpose, about faith vs. logic, about science vs. emotion, about us vs. them. It was its own world, and yet it was our world."
More concretely, Abrams says that as a kid, "Trek" was "always my favorite when it was a little bit scary, when they would deal with beaming something on the ship that was an incredible mystery or there was a clear threat.
"All of these things I loved about the series is what we're working to incorporate into the story for the movie," he says.
In regards to how he's approaching the film (from the perspective of appealing to fans -VS- appealing to a newer/broader market), Abrams indicated:
"We absolutely feel beholden to the fans, but at the same time, we have to recognize that you can't only go out and make a movie or TV shows for a group of people that live and breathe a show," Abrams says.
His goal: to make a pic that "simultaneously speaks to the people who hold 'Star Trek' close to their heart and at the same time tell a story that resonates" with new fans.
You can READ THE VARIETY ARTICLE HERE!
Personally, I would argue that a significant part of appealing to new viewers can be managed by simply crafting a TREK movie that actually feels like a "real" motion picture.
The later films in the previous cycle took on a frustrating "point and shoot" approach that felt like they were mimicking bland, TV-based episodic storytelling instead of fully utilizing (and appreciating) the large-screen medium available to them. If this was alienating to established fans, it must have played hell with the newbs.
Abrams and his team handled such considerations quite nicely in MISSION: IMPOSSIBLE III; it'll be fun to see if they bring similar cinematic sensibilities to TREK.
I'd love to actually see a STAR TREK movie again...
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TOO SOON!
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Love the retro feel the countdown begins now
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Natch!
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Might as well resurrect the classics.
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What's next - a teaser poster for the inevitable X-MEN reboot?
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http://www.startrek.com/custom/include/series/MOV/011/poster1/800x1035.jpg
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Star Trek is one of the few franchices where if they do a remake, and you want to discount it, you just say "Alternate Universe!" and then there's all that crossover potential in spin off novels and stuff.
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What a boring teaser poster.
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then again, i despise all things star trek, outside of KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!
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That's right--dead on arrival, Jim. Someone please explain to me how recasting Kirk, Spock, and McCoy with twenty-somethings can be considered anything but awful. Somehow, I'm really doubting the current teen domigraphic, which this show is CLEARLY trying to reach, is actually interested in Star Trek. I'm predicting that this film will bomb bigger than Nemesis. Anyone willing to argue?
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Justaposition of classic Kirk and Spock uniform tunics? And Abrams' statement, re: Trek being about faith vs. logic, emotion vs. science, human vs. alien? Hmmm... not exactly subtle. ;-) While I'd (greatly) prefer to see the very first mission/origin of the Enterprise (under Captain Robert April), if they are going to do a retro Kirk/Spock prequel, I just really hope they don't do stupid "Starfleet Academy" -- but rather Kirk's first Enterprise mission as he takes command (which is when/where he sould be meeting Spock for the first time anyway!).
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The original series uniform colors (gold for Kirk, blue for Spock) meeting at the Starfleet insignia...c'mon, that basically confirms the storyline.
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Nice one.
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I don't care much about this movie. All I want is for Shatner to do his rendition of Rocket Man in this movie, maybe as a closing scene or hell, use it as the opener.
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since Deep Space Nine went off the air. Two lukewarm series (one terrible and the other uneven) have damn near killed the franchise. Hopefully J.J. can breath some new life into this dying franchise. I really liked the first three series, I hope they can capture some of that magic.
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Kirk in a chair being tortured, then the movie is a flashback (like MI3 and Alias), we'll know that Abrams has really just one story that he happens to tell really, really well. Lost should've started w/ a torture scene. We sure get the flashback part, tho.
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. . . pointless to continue or salvage franchise out there? A) Star Trek B) James Bond C) Rocky D) Indiana Jones E) All Of The Above
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Too fucking soon. Please, let Trek rot for a couple more years. The other thing that sucks about this is that if they're doing a reboot, that means they are likely completely giving up on the previous shows...so, we probably won't get a follow-up to DS9. *sigh*.
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In which Kirk finds himself being taken over by a blue symbiote.
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WTF... Star Trek is so entrenched into our society, that there is no such thing as NEW fans... it just is part of our everyday life, if we know it or not... They SCREWED up on Godzilla bigtime, because Godzilla was entrenched into society as well... There is only ONE audience for this... IT IS THE FANS... everyone else (very small percentage) is too bizzy with day-to-day life to care...
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This whole Starfleet academy idea (which has been around for nearly 20 years, G-d knows why) was already tried in the thinly disguised Enterprise. Again, the fans of Star Trek, who are nearly all over 21, will only associate the classic characters with the old actors, are really only interested in a NEW crew, cast, ship, and time period further removed from the TNG. Far be it from me to tell a bunch of script writers to actually think of something original, but how about we DONT make yet another movie about the same tired characters we've seen in 3 years of tv and 6 or 7 movies, and hundreds of dimestore novels. We are all VERY familiar with the character arcs of the first cast and there is no need to rehash them/remake them. Furthermore, if Abrahms, Paramount, and Brennon & Braga think they heard fan whining and bitching over strip-mining previous storylines and characters and disreguarding continuity with Enterprise, just wait till "That Star Trek Show" debuts in theaters. I can already hear the near-hurricane level of hot air being bellowed from trekkies the world over. So lets see: fanbase's hatred? check! Complete, and honestly earned, indifference to Trek from current generation? Double Check! Film Studio that doesnt learn its lessons from two previous film bombs, one critically derided, "meh" series, and one complete train-wreck of a series that barely made it into syndication? A HUUUUGE CHECK!! Maybe Paramount should just call this film "Star Trek: Franchise Blackhole" and get it over with.
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but I really think this franchise died many years ago. Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see a good reboot. But that's the thing, I don't think they have the means to do it right. Trek is dead, we all know it.
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Why don't they take a look at the FAN MADE EPISODES ON THE NET... see what people who LOVE trek do... take notes... Instead of putting out CRAP since Generations...
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b/c in the original episode "where no man has gone before", spock and kirk both wore gold uniforms ... "snort snort" ... pushes up taped horn-rimmed glasses and straightens pocket protector
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Star Trek just has too much of a stigma to it. But on the other hand, if anybody can do it, J.J. Abrams seems like the right man.
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Thats the kind of shit I'm talking about. Can you imagine how much of that crap we'll have to endure for the next few years of Star Trek 90210's devlopment? My spine is already shivering at the thought.
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and geekgasms, Abrahms actually thinks he'll be able to pull in NEW fans. You know, teenagers who actually care about their social life. I guess this film really is about logic v. hope.
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He's Dead, Brother!
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have guest directors for each movie. Who wouldn't want to see a Quentin Tarantino helmed Star Trek movie. That would be pretty damn trippy. A ten minute scene of Kirk and Spock shooting the shit about the different names of the same fast food products on Earth and on Vulcan. Hells yeah!
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Dammit.
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On the one hand, the idea of a new crew and a new ship is bad because they already remade the Classic Trek format three times - TNG, Voyager and Enterprise all had new, mostly boring characters in the exact same type of stories as the original, except those tales were not as interesting and full of technobabble. Only DS9 managed to do something different in the Trek Universe with characters who actually had some depth to them. At this point, revisiting the Classic Trek milleu would be the only thing that would get me interested in a new Trek (well, unless someone like Spielberg or Cameron gave it a go!), but the idea of recasting Kirk and Spock just seems wrong. A tough one, but either way I'd much rather see a big-budget movie than more formulaic churned-out TV dreck.
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July 22, 2006, 2:42 p.m. CST
"But we don't give a fuck about those Next Gen fans"
by Big Bad Clone
Actually, Voyager, Insurrection and Nemesis wasted all the NextGen/DS9 goodwill. I don't feel bad to be left behind for recast TOS.
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With the kids-in-training? Whatever. Star Trek was never that interesting. Thinly veiled social commentary masquerading as sci fi action. "See, the purple-skinned people are being oppressed by the orange-skinned people with the antennae on their head, and the orange-skinned majority finally decided to be nice to the purple-skinned people. Get it? Hey, get it? Y'see, the whole episode is about racism in America. See how that's relevant to modern society? Get it?" Star Wars was better than Star Trek because more shit done got blowed up in Star Wars.
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July 22, 2006, 2:43 p.m. CST
Clunky New Voyages way more interesting than Enterprise
by BrandLoyalist
Enterprise had just 2 things going for it: the attack on Florida; the destruction of Earth. Awesome visuals. Added up to about 30 seconds where I felt no urge to hit the guide button. It was the show that took Star Trek back to the beginning, all the way back to before Gene Roddenberry thought of it - so that it could be remade using the worn-out and discredited Berman Trek construction set. New Voyages consists of a couple of webisodes made by fans who dared to recast *themselves* as the big 3 et al. Clunky, of course, but incredibly charming... it gets ya right here. And now they've got D.C. Fontana and Walter Koenig helping them out. Here's hoping they manage to capture that old Trek spirit in this new J.J. Abrams thing... poster seems to make that promise!
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that nobody but geeks are going to dare to be seen in the theater watching this turkey. In our current culture, standing in line to see a Trek movie now screams "I am a Loser". Give it up, already -- it was fun while it lasted, but time to move on.
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well, when I meant new ship, new crew, and new time period, I was thinking at least a hundred years BEYOND the TNG stuff, complete with imaginative scripts that didnt feature technobabble. Yeah, its a pie-in-the-sky notion that script writers would be imaginative, but I tend to be idealistic.
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is that Star Trek is so insular. There is the rabid fan base that frightens away any novice with their obsessiveness. The same fan base probably wants something that fits heavily within the Trek mythology, which would only further alienate any newcomers. So you either make a film that's esoteric and only appeals to the Trek elite, or you make a film that appeals to the broader audience and have the Trek snobs start bitching. It's a lose, lose situation.
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but even with Abrams involved I'm having a hard time feeling anything but "eh" for this movie. Unless Shatner's in the background doing "Common People" the whole movie. Then I'm there opening day.
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The only way to keep the fanbase from being rabid would be to start a whole new plot/story completely removed from all the cannon/jargon/babble/plot lines and relations that the writers have hatched and the fans have latched onto. One thing you dont, do, however, is piss those guys off by completely acting like said jargon/babble never existed. Again, the best thing that could have been done was either do something new and improved even further in the future, or just walk away from it altogether.
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I'm betting that this movie will somehow deal with a prophecy concerning the fate of the Federation...follow that up with unnecessary flashbacks and angst-ridden dialogue...BAM! We got ourselves a movie.
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would rather use the old "starfleet academy" standby than do something original. To get the full skinny on the origins and longevity of this idiotic idea (and how abrahms can only be an lying hack for not only emulating this horror but also for his attempt at passing off this idea as his own) I encourage you to read "Star Trek Movie Memories" by William Shatner. Anyone who has read that would see the obvious truth: some paramount hack dug the script out of the vault, threw a ton of cash at abrahams to update it, and abrahms is taking credit for being a visionary. All abrahms is doing is putting the polishing touches on some plotline that was hatched up by half a dozen coke-snorting paramount execs during a time when there was no "next generation," ST was fresh from its HUGE Voyage Home success, and Paramount was looking for a way to ring more money from the franchise.
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if anyone can pull off the much-needed reboot, he can. i like the teaser poster too, although it gives away virtually nothing.
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is that JJ is on this. This poster is very cool, at least I think so. And if this symbolizes the style Abrams hopes to bring to the franchise again, I'm down. I'm way down. However, I still am a little worried..
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I'd sure like to see that in a Star Trek movie. I hope Abrams delivers.
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after the monumental success of Voyage Home, Paramount was searching for a way to get more money from the franchise. Since Star Trek was only about the original cast and the current actors were getting long in the tooth, a prequel entitled starfleet academy was proposed in the event that the current cast, fresh from the aforementioned success, wouldnt do ST 5 or want more money. In the end, however, the cast did agree to return, so instead, Paramount made a new series with a new cast. And as everyone knows, Star trek 5 flopped and most of the cast figured it was the last film they'd ever do. Well, a few years go by and Paramount execs decide to whip out Starfleet Academy again, even going so far as to hire a few scriptwriters and nearly greenlighting the film, until the head of Paramount said,"WTF?!? Kirk, Spock, and McCoy arent Kirk, Spock, and McCoy without Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly. Now hire those guys, you dumbasses!" So, at the last minute, a Star Trek 6: undiscovered country was born. A couple of years pass by, and *gasp* Starfleet Academy is proposed yet again! The logic is that TNG is a successful series that has years of tv potential and needs to stay on the small screen, but since Paramount needs a Star Trek movie, doing a Kirk/Spock Prequel is the best way to go. At the last minute, however, Berman decides to whip out Deep Space 9, and is proposing Voyager, so suddenly TNG becomes available for movie status and Starfleet Academy is shelved again. Now, knowing this lesson, its pretty safe to assume that in the light of Star Trek's obviously lathargic state, the coke-snorters have returned and unveiled, yet again, the only option they figure is left to them: Starfleet Academy. Again, this only underlines the problem with Star Trek: it was studio driven and not by creativity.
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What is this gonna be, the voyages of the Gay and Lesbian alliance?
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Or so I fear. Especially if it turns out to be the stupid Starfleet Academy. I don't want Star Trek 90210 for God's fucking sake! And I, for one, am not impressed with Abrams. Some of you slobbering idiots talk about him like he's some kind of god. Come one, fools, he's done passable television, and a dumb movie with Tom Cruise. Just because the industry paints him as some kind of talent doesn't mean he really is.
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Holy shit what I would pay to see that episode re-done with a big budget! To see planets getting swallowed whole and all that good shit!! DOOMSDAYYYY!!!!!
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It's funny that it can smell so bad when it's still so far off.
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JJ is my personal Jesus.
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I haven't been following the Star Trek development stories, but is it definitely going to be an Academy thing? Cus that will kinda blow. In all honesty I think I might enjoy it, seeing where Kirk and others came from and all. BUT if they "teen" or god forbid "emo" it up then be prepared for the worst film by a major studio this century. Mdoggy is right on the money, I've always thought if they want ot continue the Trek then set if way way waaaaaay after Voyager, maye have the first Klingon captain of a starfleet vessel, a human EXO who isn't to0 happy with the idea of a Klingon captain, but is a dutiful offeicer committed to making it work depsite his personal reservations, you can do so much with Star Trek.
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I think JJ will bring his A game and provide a top-notch piece of entertainment (like MI3) but I think it will have an above-average weekend and then tank at the boxoffice. Why? The cash cow is dead, Jim. The Joe six-pack fans have been turned off of Trek by too much inferior product over the past few years (most of Voyager, half of Enterprise, and half of the Next Gen movies). There will be NOTHING driving the average moviegoer to spend the overpriced ticket price to see Star Trek unless they have a KICK ASS trailer (we're talking Independance Day quality - the movie may have been brainless but that trailer got the people in the seats). It will only be a vehicle for Paramount to promote DVD sales of the classic series in the end, and will be on DVD within four months. So say us all!
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The last couple of movies did poorly not just because they sucked...that didn't stop X-Men 3 from making a bundle. People just don't care about Star Trek any longer...it has been run into the ground and overdone. It isn't cool any more.
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to bookend the movie - maybe have an adventure that spans two timelines with both young and old kirk like godfather 2
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movie does. Because if people can swallow Bond again even after the producers drove it into the ground then that may be good news for the Star Trek Franchise. I honestly think people have had enough of Star Trek and going back into "Trek History" with an academy movie or kirk prequel is just going to make them not want it even more. It needs to be completely different with no ties to the original series or movies.
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Oh right, you don't!
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Star Trek has a lot more in it than Battlestar Galactica did when it got rebooted, so they'd better not try and redo everything with it. Despite what Les Moonves and the clueless apes that hate Trek on here might think, Trek has been making money for Paramount a long time even when it stopped being "cool" to the shallow mainstream. Pissing off that fanbase by throwing out the continuity we've all been following for 30+ years, even the BAD parts, will be a huge mistake.
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Who actually though Paramount wouldn't continue milking the thing dry? So face the fact that it's gonna relaunch soon whether folks like it or not. The only hope is that they do it well, with a good cast, a good director, and a story that feels epic. That they don't spend money for the sake of spending it (a la Superman), but rather because it really makes sense. There is no reason this movie should cost more than $100 million to make. Personally, I'd prefer they abandoned the recasting the leads, as Star Trek is a big universe, but it's probably too risky. And I really, really hate the concept of Young Spock & Kirk. If you're gonna revision, create an adventure worth taking with a forward looking story. It is good that they're jettisoning the TNG TV actors though. The movie screen always seemed to big for them. First Contact was the only one that actually felt like a movie. The others seemed like expensive, overlong and usually boring TV shows. The one thing about the retro futuristic, is that it does open some cool possibilities for art direction. I like the poster.
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every time. Except for Timothy Dalton. He gets the spit.
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July 22, 2006, 4:56 p.m. CST
You're right - Everything is a pale shadow of the Shat.
by ckane123
Proof here, as Shat does Chapin: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBWOmHUvKBw&search=shatner%20taxi
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Star trek is dead... DEAD!!! The only way to bring back star trek is to start a new series set a couple hundred years past the voyager and star trek: next generation timeline where the federation has been corrupted with absolute power, and there is anarchy across the galaxy a la 1984 or brave new world... and have rebels trying to dissolve the empire, and save the federation somehow, sort of like the mah ki- but not like them at all... because these rebels would be doing the absolute right thing a la star wars rebel alliance deal... or just have no federation in the future anymore, or complete chaos and it's up to the federation to bring balance to the universe again somehow... maybe like only a few hundred species left in the alpha quandrent because all the rest have been wiped out by some kind of superborg, or alien evil empire.
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Just take the core idea and re-invent it completely, like they did for BSG. That's the only way they'll keep Trek from smelling like the stale 60's era fart that it is.
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Helm, set a course for Ceti Alpha 4 8 15 16 23 42. I'm just sayin'.
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But Star Trek has infinite possibilities. Federation Marines, '24' in space, the destruction of the Federation, the alternate "evil universe", something high concept like DS9...someone with an imagination could come up with something better than rehashing old characters.
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...JJ Abrams ability to duplicate the Kirk-Spock rapport, which was an entity in and of itself, created by the unique talents of Shatner and Nimoy. IMHO if Abrams can duplicate it, along with a great adventure, the Kirk/Spock reboot might work. Regardless of how the great is, if the on screen Kirk/Spock rapport falls short of the original, then the naysayers will be right.
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...JJ Abrams ability to duplicate the Kirk-Spock rapport, which was an entity in and of itself, created by the unique talents of Shatner and Nimoy. IMHO if Abrams can duplicate it, along with a great adventure, the Kirk/Spock reboot might work. Regardless of how great the script is, if the on screen Kirk/Spock rapport falls short of the original, then the naysayers will be right.
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No sex? How about violence? Any huge space battles, ala Dominion War? No? You don't want to see that? I do.
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I'll be pissed.
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In slo-mo while maudlin adult contempo plays in the background. Yay!
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Fucking pathetic.PATHETIC. Makes me want to walk into Paramount with an anti-matter suicide vest.
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instead of whatever the fuck Trek 9 was about. It would have passed the torch to the DS9 crew instead of thinking the TNG crew would last forever.
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Trek just needs a new crew set waaay in the future where the federation, or whats left of it is totally different and new to the fans and newbs alike. Rebooting it is so uneeded.
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when "relaunching", "retooling", "remaking", "re-imaging" something. No matter what you are doing, you have to say you are remaining loyal to the original fans and the original vision (even if you obviiously aren't), you have to give credit to the people that originally did it. Then you have to put in your first excuse as to why you are going to shit all over the source material and "make it your own". It gets press it doesn't deserve way before it comes out, then it dissapoints and we all forget about it. The formula continues. Blah, blah, blah.
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You know how voyager was basically LOST, and next generation was basically saved by the bell: the next generation except better... just rip off other tv formulas and apply them to the star trek universe... IE CSI (federation space investigators)... LAW AND ORDER (federation space lawyers) American Idol (federation talent/sports agents) 24 (federation CIA people) COPS (federation security agency) Desperate housewives (federation wives and their fight to have normal lives) Grey's Anatomy (Federation medical personnel show...doctors and stuff in space) Sopranos (Federation mafias) Queer as Folk (Federation homosexuals) West Wing (Federation government) 7th Heaven (Federation religions) Medium (federation ghost tales) Las Vegas (Federation gambling) O.C. (federation acamady) Doctor who (federation time travelers) WWF SMACKDOWN (federation wrestlers) Baywatch (federation lifeguards) Murphy Brown (Federation news reporters) Cheers (federation drunks) The X Files (federation paranormal invesigators) Frasier (Federation psychiatrists ie lots of diana troys yum) The Fugitive (Federation fugitives, or prison people) OZ (Federation prision camps or something) see people the list of possible awesome star trek spin offs to come is endless ENDLESS!!!!!!!!!!!
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Dont forget the classic non-answer, however. What is your movie about? "Well, my story is different than previous interpretations because this new story gets to the motivation of the characters and how they relate to one another and interact. Its all about the humanity of the story rather than a deus ex machina." Every pandhandling, sycophantic director spouts this drivel, including abrahms, and all it means is "my story has a story." That sort of vague, non-statement always drives me up the wall.
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I'm so geeking out. I'm not tired of Trek, just tired of bad Trek. Fuck the haters, I'm excited about this.
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Orange shag carpeting, lava lamps, and Egg chairs. All while Kirk and Spock are smoking a fatty in the bathroom and arguing over who's gonna fuck the black chick first. Gonna be a great movie!
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I've ben a Trek fan for a long time. And as far as doing a Starfleet Acadamy story I'm all for it. I've also been comming to this site for a couple of years now but have kept myself from posting because of how pompus and idiotic most of the people that do post on here are, and I had no desire to become like that. But my point is, IN MY OPINION (notice how i put that in caps, since its only an opinion) I think this can work. Theres plenty of old school Trek fans out there that will see the movie and either like it or not. also because this is going back to the start of things for Trek for the most part, new fans can come on board and say,"Wow I want to see more of that. Hey there is more Kirk/Spock stuff that I can watch. Thats awsome." But then we have people (coff moondoggy coff) who sen to think that they can tell us what we want and don't want. example: " Again, the fans of Star Trek, who are nearly all over 21, will only associate the classic characters with the old actors, are really only interested in a NEW crew, cast, ship, and time period further removed from the TNG." Not true. I've been wanting them to do something like this Acadamy thing for a while now. A new crew and different timeline? Sure go for it. I'll watch it. But thats not all I'm "really interested in". So again, my opinion is that the movie will do fine, and I'm looking forward to it. Now you can begin to talk all your crap about what I said since I know its comming. Because all the arm-chair directors out there don't get things the way they want all the time they have to sit in their parents basement and cry on an online forum. Have a spanktacular day.
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I was a big fan of the first three series so I'm holding out hope, but the fact that the last two series have been lackluster and the movies in general have been hit or miss (half good and half bad) I don't want to get too excited for fear that Abrams will piss all over my hopes. There's a chance this thing can make a decent buck at the box office (there was a time when The Next Generation was popular even among non-geeks), and judging by all of the reported fan made shows there's still interest in Trek. It's a long shot but the movie might actually work.
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Have enough classic Trek "moments" to fill the trailer: an updated, but still recognizably 60s Enterprise, the original theme music, Spock raising an eyebrow, Scotty screaming "I'm doing tha best I kin!", Bones saying "Dammit, Jim!" etc... Trust me, audiences would love that, and be happy to go see a REAL (in their mind) Star Trek movie for the first time in a while...
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All I want to know is, will George Takei do the Sulu dance in the movie?
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It is the height of arrogance to think that a majority of star trek fans associate Kirk with William Shatner and would prefer original stories with original characters.
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I'm also interested in a complete origin story of Montgomery Scott, so I figure the best thing for the franchise is to do a two hour, multi-million dollar epic on the life of dear old Scotty. AFter all, since Im interested in that, arrogant know-it-all pricks can't say that the majority has no interest in such a subject. Yeah, you and I are deffinitely on the same wave-length, now. I can't believe it took me this long, though.
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That's the trinity. I believe DS9 was the most sophisticated and visionary of the whole ST franchise, from a science fiction storyline point of view. But if you want real drama and human interest, can't beat the Original Series, in my opinion. And it was all about those three! (Plus the rest of the crew on occassion, but it was always about those three in the end.) Look, I like flashing clouds of gas, Dominion, and warp bubbles as much as the next guy ... but I'm re-watching the old episodes as an adult now with an appreciation for the human dimension. Spock - cold logic over his thinly veiled humanity. McCoy - sensitive to the heart, but often blind to the big picture. Kirk - intuitive to the point of arrogance, yet with a deep trust in his comrades. He benefits from their bickering and finds a middle path. Okay, I'm gushing here - I'll try not to pull a Harry on you ("Oh, you have to approach with the doey eyes of a baby deer, frolicking in the forest ..."), but if they get the character dimension right, I won't care if they're up against the ghostly figment of John Quincy Adams.
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Spock played by anybody but Nimoy and Kirk played by anybody but Shatner. Sorry. Those characters aren't so great that they can stand alone - they were characters made by the original actors as much as anything. So they'll pull a Chad Devin Astin out of a stunted career as the lead on ONE SO-CALLED O.C. to play Young Kirk instead. And what's he gonna do? He's gonna play Shatner playing Kirk. Sorry, I'm not interested.
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that is a weak-ass poster. Looks like third rate fan art. At best.
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I completely agree with you, falawful--its all about the characters. And while I greatly enjoyed the TNG cast/characters and stories during their series run, the movies were absolutely horrible, relying on too much technobabble and too intent on emulating the classic trek style rather than their own.
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why couldnt paramount just make a new film with a new cast and crew that emulated the kirk, spock, and mccoy characters and style? You know, a combination of new and old? Then again, that was tried in Enterprise, wasn't it, and look what happened there.
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and that's wrong, it's not the same thing. Just write new characters and don't admit that you're out of ideas.
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... he can so do this part!
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July 22, 2006, 7:30 p.m. CST
Do you want Star Trek to die with Shatner and Nimoy?
by Flim Springfield
That's the big question. Kirk and Spock ARE Star Trek. Anyone who doesn't want anyone else to play the roles is killing Star Trek. I bet Shatner would like Kirk to live on, because he will always be remembered for creating the character.
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...might include the building of the Enterprise from concept to completion. From sketches to drafting board. Each nut and bolt. Every carpet and chair...Next is the complete story of the first swivel of the Captain's chair..Then we move on to the complete story of the first Federation podium.
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Causeyou, sir, have quite a few story ideas! Maybe its the corporate republican mentality in me, but I dont think you are thinking big enough. We could do SEQUELS to the federation podium. Heck, think of the marketing! Stick with me, NoHubris, and I'm sure Paramount would hire us. We'll be the next Brannon and Braga! Heck, you and I could even do a few lines and split a hooker!
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Okay ... let's say Kirk isn't captain yet. He's young, brash, even more arrogant but without the experience to back him up. He's headstrong, he makes mistakes, he's stubborn. His decisions end up killing people, and McCoy and Spock see him at his lowest ... and they see him, help him pull himself back up. De-throne him a bit so that it's a "comin of age" story for the Captain, but as un-sentimental as possible. Convince us, the audience, that he EARNED his captain's chair. Give us a reason that Bones and Spock would trust him, and each other, as they do. If they can show us a reason that these three guys would be such good friends despite their obvious differences, that'd be a story worth telling ... and I don't give a fuck if every alien we see has ridges glued to his forehead, or if in the end, the evil computers blow up because they don't understand "this emotion we humans call wuv." As long as they don't pull any cutesy winks to the "Trekkie" audience or (in the alternative) rely on modern-day gimmicks (when you film it, think "wagontrail to the stars" ... give us something timeless, truly "classic," not "hip"), I could actually see myself getting excited about this.
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of the first Federation Podium, along with a reimagined Vulcan harp - of course with its very own back story as a subplot.
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I would love to have more Trek movies, and I like Abrams' stuff, and I agree that a different approach would be refreshing. BUT: I don't think a young Kirk/Spock movie is a good idea AT ALL.
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A while ago, Entertainment Weekly did a story about the ST film franchise and proposed several ideas to get it going again. One suggestion was to treat the new film as if it were a new Trek TV show, with an all-new cast and setting. In my opinion, that's the best way for Abrams to do this. All of the rules of the ST universe would apply. But the film would stand apart from previous versions of ST and develop a following of its own. It needs to be something that a regular moviegoer could see with no prior knowledge of ST.
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I'm thrilled! I hope we get a complete reboot or even have Abrams create a movie based just after TOS TV show with a whole new cast, crew & ship. I don't care to see a Star Fleet Acadamy. I can't stand prequels anymore, it messes up my vision of the characters past.
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and James Franco should play Capt. Pike.
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Hell I'd love to see a movie, either in theater or as a t.v. movie focusing one say one member of the crew. or one or two. I mean it would be cool to see just how Mr. Scott ended up trapped in the buffer of the transporter from ST:TNG, or what Chekov ended up doing. There really is a lot they could do, and in the hands of someone good it could be great. And Enterprise wasn't really that bad. It just took too long for it to get its legs and get good. I mean that whole season 3 i think it was with the season long story with the Zindi (sp?) was actually well done. But by that point not enough people were watching so it got the ol heave-ho. Again this is all opinion. I understand that everyone likes different things. And if i came off as an arrogent jerk in my previous post I meant no disrespect. But I just think that if done right, this movie could do well. Ya just never know.
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its all clear to me now.
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'nuff said.
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EW is right. It would be a heck of a lot easier, too, to make a new crew/ship/story in the movies, anyway, since you dont have to worry about certain minor actors whining about not having many lines or what have you. Again, however, thats probably asking too much of Paramount. Remember, in the face of shrinking returns, increased criticism and indifference, what do the suits do? That's right--they whip out a 20 year-old hack script and try to reboot. And to that poster that said they don't want Kirk to die, I have an answer: it happens all the time. All the best stories have endings that are firm, resolute, fully satisfying, and yet still leave the crowd wanting more. The trick is to be strong-willed enough to leave a story at that and not milk it to death and twist every last ounce of enjoyment out of it, as exemplified by the current state of Star Trek, Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time, and Stephen King's career. Just so you know, that last part was a joke.
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as a cultural icon than X men or whatever. This will go very well and do very well.
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They wouldn't have fans bitching about getting certain details accurate, since the whole thing would be new. By doing younger versions of the original Enterprise gang, Abrams would be painting himself into a corner and setting himself up for criticism and/or failure.
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my request for Tarantino as a director. I know I joked about this before, but I actually think it would be interesting to have Tarantino as a Director, Producer, or Screenwriter. At least let him give a shot at writing a script and see where it goes. The guy generally uses archetypes from other films anyways, so he shouldn't have a problem with other people's characters.
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J.J. Abrams is making a mistake. Star Trek from 40 years ago was hip, cool and interesting television. Abrams can't recapture the magic of the original Star Trek, the public doesn't want a retread with new actors replacing the ego of William Shatner's Captain Kirk or the interesting take Leonard Nimoy had for vulcan science office Spock, Rick Berman made a mistake with "Enterprise, he actually made the look too modern and the Enterprise NX01 upstaged the look of the 1960s Enterprise, it made the so-called protype look even more advanced. J.J. Abrams is a wunderkind, no doubt about it, and as fas as the studios are concerned, he's gold to a project waiting to happen. Star Trek is an entirely different animal, the orignal trek has been done, i'm not interested in a recasted tos-centric view on trek.
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I want to see Picard's final voyage. Nemesis CANNOT be Patrick Stewart's last appearance in that role! I hope that still happens, even with Abrams doing an insane Kirk/Spock reboot. I mean, who the FUCK is going to play Kirk and Spock. I mean...Nimoy IS Spock. No-one else could be Spock. I'll only see this if it features Shatner and Nimoy telling the tale in flashback or something.
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I mean, besides the idiocy of recasting Kirk, Spock, and McCoy, the story will ultimately be very pointless and anti-climatic. We already know the end, people. We know Kirk becomes Captain and never leaves the bridge of the Enterprise, fights many battles, meets many new cultures, bangs a million chicks, and eventually gets his ass handed to him, ironically, on a bridge. There will be no mystery or "will they wont they" type situations. This is the main complaint with prequels, people. Hell, it was one of the biggest comlaints with Revenge of the Sith, besides the acting and script, that is. Everyone already knows what happens.
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Instead of revamping old storylines, or creating sequels ad nauseum, can't Hollywood please give some young writers a chance. F.U. to the ScreenWriters Guild. The Guild is tired, it's writers are old, and their ideas are bland and regurgitated. Here's an idea. Let's just recast Citizen Kane and revamp it with a 21st century feel. Just keep remaking old movies so we never have to have an original idea again. What happened to the 80's and late 70's ideas? SO MANY original concepts came out of that era. Rocky, Predator, Robocop, Back to the Future, Star Wars, Close Encounters, Raiders, E.T., Goonies, etc. Now all we get are sequels to the above and tired rewrites. Why don't we have original ideas anymore. Because the people of the 70s-80s era were young 20 and 30 somethings with a spark in their step and a fire in their belly. They were maverick and aggressive. They were eager and visionary. Well those 20/30 somethings have grown up in the Hollywood system. Now they are 40/50/60 somethings. Now they are knee deep in the business of Hollywood. Now they don't have original ideas. Their ideas are mired in the dollars and cents of the business. Their lives are mired in the hum drum domesticity. They have become civilized and have forgotten what if feels like to be a hungry young writer. Spielberg takes himself too seriously. No more fanciful flights of whimsy that take us for a ride to a new world. Lucas can't make a new Star Wars movie without catering to kids and making it family friendly (see: Phantom Menace). He forgot that generations of kids latched onto Luke Skywalker and Han Solo as heroes they could look up to. As a 7 year old boy in 1977 I dreamed of being Luke and escaping normal life. I dreamed of being a renegade like Han Solo. I didn't need to identify with a horribly-acted 10-year-old boy and his impossible opportunities awarded him just to make him a hero. Zemekis wins the Oscar for Forrest Gump. Where is his vision now.......GONE. That's what's wrong with Hollywood. It people have gotten old, pedantic and tiresome. And so have their ideas. REVAMP Star Trek?!? I for one have absolutely NO Desire to see it.
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to give it a chance. TOS are the only characters worth following anyway.
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for Trek. He can do slightly over the top, imaginative, frenetic energy action fine but ST:TOS to me was like a scifi version of the old Wild West movies... a ship traveling along the fringes of the undiscovered universe and having wide open, grand, romantic, almost epic adventures with Kirk having the same type of John Wyane like swagger and confidence with a loyal crew that'll follow him anywhere. I dunno. Maybe that's all just me. Well, I like Abrams and (for the most part) Alias, Felicity, Lost so I'm sure it'll be a pretty good movie. Just not sure it'll be a "Trek" movie the way they seem to be positioning it.
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You knew what would happen at the end of every episode too, didn'tcha? What people who are not hard core Trek maniacs like about Star Trek are the characters. In particular, Kirk and Spock. The beginning, the end. They don't care about TNG, DS9 or any of that rubbish. So, this could work, if they manage to successfully recapture those characters. Without the original actors, highly unlikely, but I will admit, I love Kirk and Spock and wouldn't mind seeing a younger variation of them. But it has to be in the right context, and it has to be in the spirit of TOS, or it will fail.
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That's what sank Enterprise. That, and that Jolene Blaylock is no Leonard Nimoy.
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Kirk and Spock meet for the first time. The film is two different stories about what different people they are, as both of them rise within Starfleet culminating in their first meeting. Kobayashi Maru!
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Were I talking about television, I'd agree with you, but this is film. Star trek 2--kirk died. In three, Kirk's son and the enterprise bought it. In star trek 7, kirk took the big dirt nap and the D went down. In Nemisis, Data went bye bye. Did we know those things would happen? Assuming you hadn't read any spoilers those events were surprises in the films, to say nothing about the larger story lines. In this retread, we already know the resolutions, the plots, the relationships. There is ZERO mistery to be had. Even you mentioned Kobyashi Maru (what fan hasn't already thought of that or read a book about that scenario), and even then every single trek fan knows the outcome--kirk cheats. See, ninja, the thing about Kirk, what made him so special and just plain COOL to us audience members and fans was his ability to surprise even US. That was the humor, the fun, the excitement. Oh, we all knew Kirk had an ace up his sleeve, but no one knew how, where, when, he was going to play it. In this retread, we already know. Where is the surprise? And unless you are the type that gets a kick out nostalgia, where is the fun? No, I think Paramount would have been better off making a film with a new cast and time period. Heck, they could even make the new cast emulate the classic treck of old (ala Captain Calhoun from New Frontier), but it needed to be new and different. Instead, we get Ensign Kirk. Yippy Skippy.
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You know, my hands are bigger than every male actor in hollywoods Mann's chinese theater Concrete thingos. EVERYONE except Leonard Nimoy's. Live long and prosper. (even big Arny)
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...for finally pointing out the ridiculously obvious,(but mysteriously never spoken about), problem with prequels. WE KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN!! HELLO? Saying we know what's gonna happen at the end of every episode so it's no different, is just a lame ass copout Superninja and you know it. We don't know the course of future events like we do with prequels. Star Trek has such a long detailed backstory/ history that writing the script for this would be like writing it with a straitjacket on. Take off the jacket Abrams, look to the future. Second star on the right, straight on till morning.
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Is this the thing that'll have the updated K9 in it? Cool, can't wait. I thought it looked like another try at some anally retentive sci fi that couldn't rate on TV if there wasn't even anything else on type of franchise that's waaaay past it's use by date.
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You see, it's very simple - star Trek is linear. You can't go back and remake it. Because any new star trek needs to be set further in the future. thats why Enterprise bombed out. And it's why this film will bomb out. It's just another remake. A safe way to make some cash, ala Superman Returns. (but I did like that film)
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be about rehashing that formula. It's going to be about Kirk and Spock becoming the Kirk and Spock we know. Whatever it was that got Kirk promoted to Captain and made Spock decide to choose the Enterprise. It is about a journey leading to a specific moment in time for two characters. It's about what drastically different people they are.
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completely predictable - give me a break! Kirk tossing the Prime Directive was predictable, but you know what? It's' fun! It's part of his character, and Shatner is a charming actor. No one wants to see yet another pessimistic Star Trek set in the future with it's annoying UN-lite formula.
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A new Star Trek film can be successful but, as has been stated already, the creators would need to "come correct" if that's to be the case. First, they need to stay away from time travel (a theoretical concept this franchise has pummeled into the ground), and tackle some new areas of theoretical science. Next, the film's cast should be a true mixture of characters in their universe (something the producers considered doing years back). Grappling with emerging scientific concepts and generating never-before seen tensions among a new character mix would serve as the foundation around which they could build. We just don't need to see Shatner slugfesting like a twenty-something or any more Picard/Riker banter. Keeping the visuals on the cutting edge will always be a challenge, as the production values of The Next Generation raised the bar quite high. Still, if they develop fresh effects guided by the new science explored in the story (anything from the range of "wild" crystalline entities in the Star Trek universe to string theory), it could return the franchise to its roots. With the acting crew they can choose from, having solid performances shouldn't be a concern, as almost any of them could knock the ball out of the park. Just let the science guide the story *and* the effects, while mixing up the cast. Finally... if they want to create some advanced "buzz," they probably should make sure all of the cameo performers are tied to either scifi or real-life science. After all, the Next Generation had everyone from real-life astronaut Mae Jemison to Stephen Hawking...
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MacGreggor was perfect. He captured that character wonderfully, made it his own. The problem is, the story was complete crap. The motivations didn't ring true. So it didn't matter. But we all know the potential was there to make a GREAT SW prequel, even though we know how Vader turns out. It was never about mystery - it was watching Vader's classic meteoric fall. But of course, that's not what we got from Lucas & Co. And I agree the self reverence was extremely annoying and pointless. Every Star Trek episode and movie is predictable. With the exception of Spock dying in STII. The only problem with Kirk is that they will turn him into some whiney metrosexual like Picard. What matters with Star Trek is what the movie has to SAY about the human condition, which is what those characters represent.
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Good point about the Ensign Kirk thing Moondoggy2u. Ensign Kirk is really not in the spirit of Star Trek, even if this is a total reboot (meaning that whatever happened in any other version in not part of this incarnation). Star Trek as a concept was Wagon Train To the Stars/Horatio Hornblower traveling to strange new worlds. The spirit of star trek was never really about origins/back stories. Star Trek has always been Kirk (or Pike in THE CAGE) AS CAPTAIN, calling the shots, already in the fray and thick of things. The intro of each episode with
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Stop whining about a reboot. Whether it's a reboot or not only matters to serious fans, and there aren't enough of them to matter. This movie MUST appeal to a general audience in order to succeed, and that audience could care less about continuity or reboots or any of that crap. If Abrams is smart, he'll ignore fans and try and get a good story. A reboot story -- even an Academy story -- could work if it's GOOD. That's all that really matters. Oh, and Abrams isn't raping Roddenberry's vision. Berman/Braga did that a long time ago by replacing intelligent, literate Trek with stories aimed at 13-yr-olds full of stupid technobabble.
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Well when you put it that way, Matt Damon would be great for the part.
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being his own man and Captain when he first appears. The biggest potential screw up to be had here is some ridiculous catalyst or moment that "makes" Kirk/Spock. I hate that kind of crap. Kirk is such an interesting and likeable character you could make a film just about him. Spock is also equally interesting, though, and I have always thought it would be interesting to see Spock choosing to go into Starfleet against his father's wishes.
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First and formost, you are absolutely right about Master and Commander. It truly was the best Star Trek film out there--loved it. As far as the Bond idea is concerned, I would much rather have that than this whole prequel idea. I still say that its a pretty dangerous and foolhardy move to recast kirk, spock, and Mccoy, but doing a bond reboot is a lot more believable than prequel bs.
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of never quite looking grown up. He doesn't have the presence to play Kirk. Paul Bettany as Spock is terrible. Bettany, a decent actor, but there is no amount of makeup that can hid that weak chin and bland face.
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the more I think this project has some hope. I'm not suggesting that any single post has the "magic story," but I think there's enough interesting ideas on this web site that someone could start making an interesting story. For me the core of Trek has always been the optomistic comraderie between the Kirk/Spock/McCoy. If they capture the humour and wit between these three, then maybe they'll just get it right.
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It would be interesting to end the first film with Kirk stepping into the role and then starting the next with him confident, having "grown" between the films. Also, there is no way Kirk and Spock were friends right up front. They had to earn the other's trust. There is also the rest of the crew to be considered. Dang, maybe what I really want is another t.v. show!
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When I was a kid I had a set of those embroidered badges that I got through the Star Trek Fan club. The real thing, the exact same ones that the costume department used. This was during the original run of the series. Wish I still had them, but you can't go home again. That's the way I feel about this movie as well. Roddenberry's best idea for a follow-on got turned into the promising but execrably executed "Andromeda". I would have liked to see Takei in a Captain Sulu movie though. Instead, Bakula got to play the first gay Star Fleet captain.
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Spock the mind, and McCoy the heart. These aspects compliment one another. The other shows had derivations or were not iconic enough (traded for bad soap opera characterization instead) and just muddled through. People will be able to identify Kirk, Spock and McCoy in Star Trek even if they call them by different names or give them boobs.
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Even as a cameo that would bookend the film. I have no intrest in it unless they are involved. It would be great to see them one more time.
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I can't believe this film got the green light. If you want to bring trek back then pay Singer an ungodly amount of money to direct and bring in TNG crew for on final mission with Q giving Picard one final test to save humanity. There is the Trek film we were all waiting for after First Contact. Then if that is successful you make a TNG/Voyager/DS9 film and had off the franchise to one of those crews. That's how I would bring life back to Trek. But this entire recasting of the orginal show is going to be a huge huge failure and the deathblow to the entire Trek universe. Frack it when is BSG on again!!!!!!
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July 22, 2006, 11:01 p.m. CST
A repost of my review of the last Star Blech film . . .
by AhopefullFANBOY
I watched this film in a crap-ass theater in glorious Michigan City, Indiana (don't ask.) The projection was piss-poor so whatever quasi-redeeming "visual effect" this film might have contained were lost on me. Trailers in a 2
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I for one didn't anticipate that Lucas would radically change the rules of his own universe like that with no apparent reason. That was a total shocker. Prophesy, eh? Balance to the force, you say? Mitichlorians ... huh ... oh, and Anakin's FROM Tatoine, and Yoda didn't actually train Obi Wan? No kidding? Queens are elected? Funny. Oh, and Jedi don't disappear when they die. And they're basically walking Fortune Cookies. And actually, most aliens speak in a quasi-racist form of pigdin Enlish ... and the robots are actually programmed to be REALLY dumb and pull Three Stooges-esque "nyuck nyuck" pratfalls. No, I did NOT see that coming. (Sorry, but what would a ST Talkback be without a little SW flame thrown about?)
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Maybe it will be like the Voyager episode where Tuvok and Neelix got merged into a new lifeform, only this time it will be Kirk and Spock. Hence the merged uniform on the promo poster...
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to see a guy gripping with his emotions. Female Vulcans always just seem like women with PMS. Same with Romulan broads. Now those Klingon sisters, those guys were fun!
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Lucas should be punished for the prequels.
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Neither Paramount nor the Tribune Co. has any impetus to field a quality product as long as there are suckers out there willing to put their butts in seats because they have a sentimental attachment to the franchise or the team. P.S. 2008 is WAY to soon. I can think of a bunch of teaser posters released for movies that never made it to the screen or, if they were, they were rused out so quickly that the posters were better than the films.
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I was just poking around at the official Star Trek site and I see that there is now a
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..but, I still think Pike should be used instead of the icon of Kirk. THE CAGE/MENAGERIE is part of the canon and a powerful reference for long time fans. Recasting Kirk is a big problem that could hurt the film regardless of who takes the role, not so with Pike IMHO.
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I thought it wasn't half bad... As far as I'm concerned it beats that shit fest star trek: insurrection out of the water. That was by far the worst star trek film ever. The star trek: next generation films from best to worst are as follows... Star trek: First Contact, Star trek: Generations, Star Trek: Nemesis, Star trek: insurrection the only one that could have easily been a 2 hour special on tv.
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I'm pretty mixed on this. My father raised me watching re-runs of the original Trek and I still remember sitting down with him every week to watch Next Generation. ***I wish I could form an opinion at this point, guess I'll wait for some casting news to ooze out before I'm able to banish this or praise it. ***For gods sake go with unknown actors and the cameos are a must!
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Look at the ultimate sacrifice data made for Captain picard.. it takes you back to the sacrifice picard made to save data in First Contact... and the many episodes of the series where picard stuck his neck out for data, and their ultimate friendship. Further, the look on Geordi's face Data's best friend when data dies...no one needed to say anything at that point but we all knew how bad geordi felt. so there Nemesis wasn't so bad.
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A lot of trek fans liked Star Trek: First Contact, and thought it was a great film bringing in one of the best aspects of the series... a face off between captain picard and the borg.
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Several of the series episodes were better than that movie. A few good scenes does not a movie make. That really goes for all of TNG movies.
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Furthermore, Spiner and Stewart take themselves far too seriously. TNG movies are overly serious for no reason. There are no real stakes in any of them.
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I'm seeing a lot of hate for the TNG films here (pretty much diserved hate). I don't see anyone commenting on the films with the original cast at all...aside from the Khan refernces. I like the original films (so-so on search for spock and final frontier) but I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a second. Aside from a few good moments can you really tell me that "Voyage Home" and "Final Frontier" were good movies?
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I've watched the original star trek series... of course I wasn't born till a little later but I enjoyed watching it nonetheless.. it wasn't until TNG and DATA, Geordi, Stewarts portrayal of a sophisticated english captain made it feel a lot like a high seas adventure, Worf, Riker, The borg, Q, and all that coolness that i really got into the trek universe... then DS9 blew goats as far as i was concerned, and Voyager rocked the boat once more with awesomeness... the TNG movies weren't that great, but they could have been... it really pissed me off.
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are II and III. I is an interesting experiment, but not very Trek. The others get a pass because the cast is fun, but they're not really great films. I have a soft spot for the one with the whales, I must say, because of the wonderfully bad comedy.
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...was the only good ST:TNG movie because none of the other films had good villians (I still haven't figured that one out)...DS9 is the best of the post-TOS shows IMO.
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being a ham is still the most entertaining part of that stuffy, lifeless film.
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Seriously. His approach is the way to go. Screw "canon." Anytime you mention "canon" when talking about a property you're just showing how overly geeky and stupid things have gotten. It's an obsession with canon that leads to a dwindling audience, as only the hardcore fans care anymore and the whole thing just crawls up its own asshole and dies. Get an A-list director, A-list acting talent, and make a *real movie*. Man, that would rock. Oh and I also agree about Master & Commander -- that's just the sort of thing a new Trek should do.
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Yes, in many ways DS9 was (at times) a very well-written show. It would be, however, the WORST thing to launch a movie from. DS9 was so continuity-laden that it would seem like Phantom Menace/Attack of the Clones...so much political exposition and historical crap that only a weener Trekkie would give a fuck. And the other TNG movies didn't suck due to crap villains. They sucked because they were just stupid concepts stupidly executed.
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watch it now, I realize I don't. I just wanted to like it because it was Star Trek. The rest of the shows were just more boring, pessimistic sci-fi t.v. without imagination. I get that is sort of part and parcel of the genre, but I like TOS because it stood apart.
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Couldn't agree more re: Shatner in Generations. The dialog he got stuck with was so horrid..."It was...fun." Gad. Is this the best we could do? The guy who wrote Look Who's Talking Too wasn't available? Wow. Anyway...YackBacker, I'd ask you to marry me if, y'know, I wasn't married. And if I swung that way. Unless you're a female, in which case I'm still married, but, hell, maybe we could work something out. Or whatever.
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Because it was aimed at college-age adults instead of 14 year olds. Simple as that. Berman & co. never understood that, I guess. TNG offered some well-done escapist adventure (and, of course, some crap as well) but nothing that was TOS-special IMO.
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hatred. Those guys are the worst thing to ever happen to Star Trek. Enterprise was such a misfire, Voyager a waste.
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Agree with you, YackBacker, 100% re: canon. I think perhaps re-using Kirk/Spock/etc. as the template may be the "hook" that brings some people in. There are still a lot of people out there that have some kind of connection to that group. That could be enough to keep them from dismissing another movie as just Nemesis II. Of course, I think it could work thematically just as well without. (As Master and Commander did...) But it's very doable to get the best of both worlds. Now...is J.J. Abrams the guy to pull that off? Depends. If he has the balls to really DO this, and the studio is willing to commit the $$ for real talent both in front of the camera and behind it, then we could get a movie so good that we'll all forget about Wrath of Khan. Odds are against it, as Hollywood usually fucks this sort of thing up, but we'll see. I have higher hopes for this than I would for another Berman/Braga TNG snoozefest.
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Blame it on the geek in me for not being able to pull the trigger on anything Trek.
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YackBacker: you're definitely not alone. In fact that's how I got my son to watch M&C; I told him it's just like Trek only on the high seas. He loved it. There are several scenes, in fact, where I can hear James Horner's WOK score in my head...
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human history/philosophy/nature. That's where they boldly went. That's why it works so well through Kirk/Spock/McCoy who represent these different facets. Berman and Bragga were simply superficial about it, and never took real chances. ByTor is right.
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To be fair, I keep watching the damned things. There are certain things I can't bail on, because I have so much time and emotion invested. Trek is one of those things. I'm afraid I'll watch the next movie whether it's genius or crap. But I really hope it's not crap.
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since you mentioned Kevin "Keyser Soze" Spacey. I say "Space Seed" version of Khan, if any.
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See? You are already trying to metro Khan. No Star Trek for you! How about Ken Watanabe?
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I would like to see in the next ST picture. Hate to use formula, but it is also an opportunity for the crew to really learn to trust each other for the first time.
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OK, if one needs to use a villain (or villains) from one of the series...I'd try something with the Romulans. Something less lame than Nemesis. IMO the Romulans were sorely underutilized -- so many cool possibilities. The Klingons, alas, were ruined by B&B. Go back and watch the utterly brilliant "Errand of Mercy." Pay attention to Kor. Now go watch any B&B episode with Klingons. Enough said.
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for Sci-fi Channel original movies? It really seems like they will produce anything as long as it has a fantasy element.
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Thinking along the same lines. Retelling Balance of Terror would *rock*. A very simple story, structurally. Even the average Hollywood hack scriptwriter shouldn't fuck it up.
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Since we're doing Paramount's job, let's cast this bitch. Who's our new Mark Lenard? My initial reaction was Alan Rickman, but that's just too cliched. Hey...am I the only one who thinks Gary Sinese could make one hell of a Romulan?
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is also a killer Klingon episode.
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Only crap Klingons in TOS were in Tribbles. But that was a comedy, so nobody cares.
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I don't see Dafoe as a Romulan, but he'd definitely work as a Khan-type. Romulans, done properly, should just be warlike Vulcans. Emotions, yes, but not overly emotional.
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Agreed. I want the next one to succeed because more than geeks have investment in Star Trek. Star Trek, when done well, just makes a great statement about many positive things.
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I could *totally* see Powers Boothe as a Romulan Commander. Definitely that type is what is needed...someone who's good at ramrod, understated military. Not a George C. Scott-type of military, mind you. So yeah, that works for me.
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dreamcast: Gary Sinse as Dr. McCoy, Russell Crowe as Captain Kirk, Hugh Jackman as Mr. Spock, Ken Watanabe as the Romulan Commander.
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would be great as the Romulan Commander. Back to Khan though, if I may. Here's a suggestion: Antonio Banderas.
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Are they really gonna use the 1960's set designs? Not to mention miniskirts and beehive hairdos. Am I the only one who misses the Romulan War idea?
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so it could really be anyone. You know, the hot abusive guy?
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...is a great idea. His underrated Swordfish performance as a cool computer hacker, balancing his job and wish to see his daughter sells me on that one.
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back in fashion. They could easily do a modern update of it. Have you been to Ikea? It looks like a ST set. Even the beehive is back in. Modified, of course. I certainly prefer this look to the dreary look Berman and Bragga favor (aka "serious"). Are you telling me in the future everyone has bad haircuts and girls don't wear short skirts? Pshaw.
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Jackman, Yack. He does the eyebrow thing and the smirk several times in the X-Men movies. Anyway, he's a stage actor, so he could pull it off. And yes, I have a big crush! That guy is great looking, you know.
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A Piece of the Action is one of my favorite episodes.
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Actually I think Sinese would be a better Spock than McCoy. I think he could pull it off.
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I was just making the connection to the way Ricardo Montalban played Khan. I just think Banderas is a logical choice based on that. Neo-Khan? Now there's an idea for the rebooted version -- The Wrath of Neo-Khan.
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was hysterical. "I'd advise ya's ta keep dialin', Oxmyx." Classic.
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He's so good with accents...I'd have to go back to Basquiat to see him as Spock, though.
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I guess. The only think I've seen him in is Shaft.
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I like Jeffrey Wright as Spock. Agreed -- doesn't have to look like Nimoy. In fact, I think that's a plus.
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I for one have no intrest in seeing a Star Trek film with new actors in these iconic roles. Shatner and Nimoy are Kirk and Spock. The only way I would have any intrest in a prequel film is if Shatner and Nimoy are given some type of role where they speak of their first meeting. Or whatever the new film is about.
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the Romulan Commander?
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Why can't Shatner and Nimoy play older versions of Kirk and Spock? Rather than do a cheesey prequel. Why not give Kirk and Spock one last adventure together while introducing a new crew that could carry on the movie or tv franchise? Surely Kirk and Spock would give this new crew a huge level of credibility with ST fans. I really don't think the public is going to accept new actors in these roles.
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His ancestry is from India, so that should make it authentic enough without stirring the backlash you warned about...If they aren't doing DS9 movies, they should use him. He'd make also good Spock. He does funny/serious well.
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I thought I recalled reading India in a Trek magazine...Great actor. He'd still make a good Khan...It's late. I'm out.
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Let Star Trek rest in fucking peace along with Kurt Cobain, Alicia Silverstone's career, and Brett Ratner's credibility.
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all those guys are emo. i think emo is teh new gay? yes?
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how about a DEADWOOD-STAR TREK crossover - id pay money for that 'cocksucker.'
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where exactly is the ID4 wall paper? All I see is a grey inkblot on a white background. and whats worse I can't even see anything my mind conjures up.
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actually im surprised im reading so much of a diverse reaction....u would think all the people that cried about bring back kirk and do a academy movie would love this, now that its semi official, everyone is havin doubts .....funny personally i think its gonna suck, you should never go back, you should always move foward..
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If the new movie involves Star Fleet Academy, or Kirk's first mission, I would love to see a scene with the young Kirk back on the family farm in Iowa, leaning on a fence contemplating his future, and have Shatner, as Kirk's grandfather and namesake, walk into scene and give him some sage advise. I was sixteen when TOS premiered, and if you wanted to watch a show, you had to stay home and watch it! Star Trek TOS will always remain a special memory for me. It captured the Zeitgiest of the times, the powerful optimism of a marvelous future with unending promise. If a new movie with the original characters can capture a fraction of that, then full speed ahead!
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and not even JJ Abrams can change that fact.
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At this point, there are far too many invested parties who believe what Startrek should be. Even doing an alternative reality time line using the original series doesn't work because of people who are so attached to the original series like religious extremists. - But to be fair, and tell me true, does ANYONE really want to see this? For me this sounds great on paper but in the really real world - no. No, no, no, no, no and most definatly not by that HACK Abrams. Hell we'd be lucky to get 10 films in before anything substantial happens. No, I'm sorry, but StarTrek is a DEAD horse with nine kinds of boot-mark in it's rib-cage. Let it go. If he's just itching to do something with Trek then go with a comic but he should leave live action alone. -----What I'd rather see is either a FireFly continuation, another Serenity film or a vastly new sci-fi concept that may pay homage to Trek, but has the freedom to work outside what "trek" means.. Farscape? Yeah I know.
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and has very little to do with the final product. Last I heard it was going to be before Enterprise but after the events in First Contact. Maybe it'll have something to do with KAAAAAAHHHHN! sorry - couldn't resist.
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, where existing works are constantly reinterpreted by new casts and productions. What with all these remakes and reboots. In 400 years, we'll have the Royal Star Trek Company producing the most respected Trek content from their submerged studio complex in Stratford-below-Avon.
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Instead of beating a dead horse into the ground. I think it'd be nice to see an epic, hard science fiction movie with original ideas that uses realistic, feasible science. No instant clones, no faster-than-light travel, no mind to mind transfer, no superpowerful rogue AI or killer robots, no time travel, no teleportation. Real science and real people. But I guess I'll have to stick to reading sf if I want that.
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I'm not even that big a Star Trek fan (My Dad's the Trekker...or is it Trekkie???) but it was still cool. Also snaged A different Teaser poster for TRANSFORMERS. Man, that comic con (talk about the freaks come out! Hahaha...it's all good. They were all in their element. It was pretty cool to see so many happy people, completly comfortable being who they are or who they want to emulate.)
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July 23, 2006, 1:27 p.m. CST
There is still something left in that universe to tell?
by ExcaliburFfolkes
They've re-used every possible scenario and character at least three or four times by now in all the various spin-offs. There is too much of a good thing; and, then there's repeatedly stuffing the same thing downs our collective throats until we all die of asphyxia, which happened about two TV series and three movies ago.
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... Kevin Pollak.
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Ben Afleck as Spock. Robin Williams as McCoy. Mike Meyers as Scotty. There you go. And since it's Star Fleet Academy forget Lost and Alias, the story line is that a young Kirk, without a lot of direction in his life, gets a fleeting glimpse of Spock, finds out he's going to be the first Vulcan to go to Starfleet Academy, and follows him across the universe to go there, too. Yes, it's the Felicity years. Adds a whole new poignancy to Spock saying "I have been and always will be your friend." Oh yeah, and Spock says "I don't like those apples, Jim" at least once.
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...whoever said Gleeson as Scotty has posted the most inspired bit of casting here. And even though I would rather there be a decade hiatus on Star Trek, if this movie has to be made, it will live or die on the chemistry of its cast and the ability of the writers to give the cast the interpersonal relationships that made the first show great. Star Trek held onto its fans for twenty years not because it was scifi, not because it addressed social issues in a brave for the 60s manner, but because of the incredible chemistry of the core characters. I know I'm going to make some people mad here, but the original featured characters who you believed would die for each other. The Next Generation featured characters who worked together in an office that happened to fly through space. That's why the movies based on the original survived some pretty horrible outings and the ones based on Next Generation died with a whimper when they couldn't come up with a halfway clever plot. And there's nothing in the world that's harder to capture than the kind of chemistry Shatner and crew had in the original show.
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Kirk and Spock...So What? What about McCoy, Sulu, Scot, Uhura, Chekov. Spock was in Star fleet Year before Kirk they would not be at the acadamy at the same time. The more I hear about this film the more I think it will be a turky. But then I knew Star Trek was going down the tubes when Enterprise went with a Xindi War rather than the Romulen war that fans wanted. Now if they did a movie about DS9 or perhaps a merging beween Voyager/DS9/Next Gen. Better that than some effort that has been creaping about Paramount for the last two decades.
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I do not want to see a recast Kirk and Spock and pseudo-Original Series films. I would just prefer to see Star Trek move forward with the same spirit of the best Trek, with well-written stories and well-developed and well-acted characters. The Star Trek concept is pliable, and just depends on good execution. Why rehash the Kirk and Spock characters with different actors? It will just seem false and gimmicky. Let the original series characters alone. Only Shatner is Kirk, Nimoy is Spock, De Kelley is McCoy, and so on. Make new Trek in the same spirit as the old Trek, but please move forward, not backwards.
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And I love Star Trek. If Singer's consulting, I hope they don't just remake the first one or some shit.
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He's older than Shatner was when he started the original Trek. To remake/reinvent/reimagine or reboot something that has so much more possibilities is admitting complete creative bankuptcy and defeat.
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I don't have a problem with them recasting the Kirk, Spock, etc roles but at least go with actors that fit the part and not movie stars who don't.
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If they're going to recast these roles, then the best way to do it would be with complete unknowns. The only positive thing about casting Damon is that he'll draw people who are not interested in Trek.
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Only Ben Affleck is a bad enough actor to fill Shatners shoes.
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Shitty quality but better than nothing. Check it out! http://tinyurl.com/k7l9s
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...lets have a brash as fuck Kirk in a no win scenario with Earth , no the enitire fucking Federation, no wait, the Alpha quadrant, Yeah the fucking Alpha quadrant up for grabs. James T. Kirk does NOT like to lose. Kaaaahhhhnnnn!! Oh yeah, kill off a shit load of red shirts and bang an Orion slave girl.
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As shitty as that footage is - I got chills and I was only half paying attention to it. Sony knows how to market.
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Maybe JJ is gonna do a "Superman Returns" with Trek and wants some advice on how to bring new actors in to continue the story of the original series from where we left it ... Not sure how that'll fit in with the original actors in the movie timeline tho' ... Should be interesting ... Anything ... and I mean ANYTHING is better than Nemesis ...
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Star Trek is soooo 20th century. New product please, hollywood. kthxbye.
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Only to have them ignored, and then three days later, posted by someone else. Then three days after that, someone makes a crack at how incredibly slow to report this site can be. That said, two things: Firstly, character actor and Samurai Jack's voice of Aku, Mako, is dead. He passed away on Saturday morning. And this makes me very sad. Secondly, Quentin Tarrantino reports on a Kill Bill Volume 0 and Volume 3 here: http://www.cinematical.com/2006/07/23/quentin-gets-animated-for-kill-bill-sequels/
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...how many Star Trek fans are out there; every time there's a Trek-related article on AICN, it shoots to the top of the Top TalkBacks chart. That's not meant to be an insult, it's just that the franchise has always been on the periphery of my little geek world, and I guess the overwhelming amount of people who actually do like the show and movies is humbling in a way. All that said, I really do like that poster. I'm feeling the retro vibe, I guess.
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Fucknuts...
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Hope you're headed to the days of high adventure. But that is another tale.
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Gina Torres should've been Storm.
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Did you know Sam Rockwell was in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
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On another Constitution class star ship. There were 12 others in the fleet, Kirk said in one episode. Go all knew, but have an appearance by Kirk and Co on a scratchy broken view screen - all CGI. they cna do it. I know they can. I don't want them to rape the original star trek. I'd much prefer a new Star Trek Film set on the Enterprise F, G or H. No, the Enterprise I. the Fucking Enterprise I. Damnit!
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Is if they do a masterful reenvisioning like Sci-fi did with Battlestar Galactica. Total overhaul of the franchise. BUT, that's going to be next to impossible.
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I agree, however if they stray too far people will be furious. In all honesty, no one really cares about ST any more.
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Yes, I own Nemesis. Yes, I feel like a schlub, but there it is. I like Trek. Is it a correct view of the future? No. Is it cheesy? Yes. But it's scifi, it's big budget, and...it's Star Trek for Christ's sake. How many times per year do you get to see big spaceships shooting lasers at each other? Once? Twice? Often never? Exactly. So stop complaining. Trek is what it is. If the casting is off, if the script sucks...it just doesn't matter. Trek simply doesn't have to do much to impress me.
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First, E new Star Trek movie or series shouldnt be available at least for 5 or more years, and if there is going to be movie or series, it should be happen in 45th anniversary of Trek. Second, there is a beatiful book series called New Frontier, which is about whole new and original characters and one familiar character that I cant remember her name now. So, new Film or film series can be about this books then they can make it to tv series... Main idea is, First a sequel movie around 45th anniversary, then a tv series from that movie. But there shouldnt be any prequels about Trek, this is all wrong. Trek is all about something new in characters, locations, plots etc... Abrams Movie could work, but it shouldnt be exist in the first place.
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...lame-ass "just-a-logo-with-added-cheezy-Photoshop-filter" teaser posters!
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Long Load time for me on that page. Try http://geek-chat.com/Boards/viewforum.php?f=11 for the poster, they seem to be much faster.
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I don't like it when a director of a Star Trek movie says "We are beholden to the fans buuuuuut...". It could be argued that not only have previous directors (including Riker himself Jonathan Frakes) not felt beholden to the fans at all but actually despised them. Every single TNG movie has had absolutely nothing for the actual fans of the shows that made Star Trek what it is today. It seems this could very easily be another big budget special effects extravaganza with absolutely no character or story. I really really hope not...
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Man, if Harry goes to see this movie with that kid, I hope this movie is so good that Harry lets him sit in his poo-filled diaper again!
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Will make a good desktop.
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They could have put a steaming pile of klingon turd on the poster, I will be in that queue on premier day, KEEP THE FAITH!!!
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Beyonce Knowles is cast as Uhura Haley Joel Osmont as Quark Al Roker as a poltically correct Scotty Nathan Lane as Sulu Brandy as Uhuras' daughter Ensign Tamika Johnson Kevin Spacey as Data Robin Williams as Q Ray Ramono as Chekov I see any of these on the credits and I urge you all to call Homeland Security because I swear I'm gonna fly a plane full of powdered milk into the main building of Paramount studios!!!!!!
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Matt Damon as Kirk? Please. The very idea of a ST prequel has been discredited by Enterprise. ST has been going downhill since DS9, and after the abortion that was Voyager, no one gave a fuck about Star Trek anymore. The money hungry whores at Paramount are still trying to squeeze a buck out of it, but Berman and Braga destroyed Star Trek. Its over. Let it die.
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Directed by Bryan Singer
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Once again, we see that the posts of Fanboys have called the shot: IMMINENT FAILURE!! There will never be anything good ever. All film, TV, and any media of storytelling is lame, gay, or it sucks. The only possibly good story is the one rattling around in the back of a Fanboy's mind -- the one that's cool, awesome and not gay. The true Fanboy will only tell you a little if pushed, because what if it sounds lamer out loud than the swirl of genious playing in his brainpan? No matter, there are a million versions of moderately cooler storylines any Fanboy can crap out that would be better than anything which will manage to surface at your local theater or TV. Those will be the little morsels a true Fanboy will spew ad nauseum. Yes, the Fanboy will pay his ticket price opening weekend and go to see just how lame, gay, and awful this steaming pile will be. There won't be enough realism, there won't be enough violence, and there certainly won't be anything remotely good about it if this crapola ends with anything happier than sheer galactic devastation. What is cool? Try gruesome death, hot chicks who suffer, and collosal violent explosions which all conspire to tell a story of decay that would make a Nihilist head for church. Then, and only then, will the true Fanboy's life be less lame.
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Definitely agree with Crowe as Kirk. Now, how about rounding it out with more L.A. Confidential folks: Spacey as Spock and the that'll-do-pig guy as McCoy.
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