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Is Heath Ledger all smiles in the next BATMAN flick?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here about to head out to Comic-Con. First I thought I'd throw this one out there as the internet will be exploding with it soon. The folks at LatinoReview have told the world a juicy rumor, from the same source that scooped Brandon Routh as Superman. Their source claims the offer went out to Heath Ledger last night. I think this casting is a bit bizarre. I like the direction they're going and I'm quite a fan of Ledger's work, but he's kind of moody... I guess if he injects the kind of life he put into his early teen comedy/KNIGHT'S TALE work to balance that out it could work.
Right now it's just a rumor. Even if it is true, there's always the possibility the deal will fall through or he will flat out reject it. I just hope Crispin Glover is choice #2.
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god no...
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Bad choice. Hope it's not true.
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nolan is the man. ledger will be a great joker. have every confidence in the world that this will be awesome. about time on the story btw.
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The Joker must be Crispin Glover...nuff said
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would you rather get robin williams?
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got punked.
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My first thought was something along the lines of "What the fuck?" but the more I think about it the more I think he could do it. Look at a picture of him smiling. Plus, Nolan's the man, and I trust him implicitly.
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from aicn. what gives?
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It needs someone with more screen presecence if Christian Bale is his usual dark brooding self in this then he'll blow him away
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Just throwing that out there.
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i really liked the idea of michael keaton getting this role. that would've been amazing.
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I want to see them making out again.
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I can actually picture that. Not bad.
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The guy can't act for shit.
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I hate it when some actor gets hot and is suggested for EVERY role that comes along. I like some of his performances, but not enough to think he can pull off the Joker.
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But BATMAN BEGINS was amazing, I trust the casters.
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Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong. Christopher Eccleston.
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Hhis better be just a rumor...or is Heath trying to branch out from his heartthrob shell? I say he can't do it, but prove me wrong and I'll be impressed.
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Haratio Sanz as the Joker?
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I liked Heath in a few roles. One of my favorites was his job in Lords of Dogtown. But I just can't see him as the Joker - at all. Crispin would be awesome. Also, the guy who played the Joker in "Grayson". I think it was Walter Koenig's son. He looked great!
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I agree. Ledger would be more miscast than Arnold Scwarzenegger.
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Vincent Cassel. I don't even really care if he can't hide is French accent. Not only is he an awesome actor, but just fuckin look at him.
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Ledger in interviews and stuff?? He is like actually crazy, like literally insaine. He's perfect.
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Crispin Glover is the perfect choice. Physically he IS The Joker. Gangly, lean. His facial features are sharp and angular. Add to that his personality, his choices as an actor, he would utterly capture The Joker's essence. Maniacal. Abso-fucking-lutely batshit (so to speak) insane. There is no moral confliction with The Joker. He is what he is. He doesn't fight with his body, he fights, he kills, with his twisted, ingenious logic or lack therefor. Crispin Glover could (but wouldn't) do it in his sleep. I believe he would throw himself so completely into the role and make a legend out of it.
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then Tom Cruise would've been the choice. But since its not, and the part will require actual...wait for it..."acting", Ledger will be fine.
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therefor was a typo.
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when I saw all the pre-production stuff. Man was I wrong. So -- if these guys think Ledger's the guy for the part, it's cool by me.
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It's such an easy choice. F'in Heath Ledger could never pull it off. Damn it. TIM ROTH FOR JOKER.
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With all of the great choices out there (Leary, Glover, Penn, Brody) they're gonna go with Heath FUCKING Ledger??? HOLLYWOOD SUCKS. Another DC adaptation, another miscast role.
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I think its good casting too. Just watch Lords of Dogtown. He does batshit quite well, too. And his grin. Imagine that mouth of shark teeth painted up.
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...shoot the action from more than two inches away so we can actually see what's going on. That was the worst part about the first movie. Oh, and Tim Roth for Joker in '07.
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I still think this guy would be good....He has one creepy looking smirk and has theatrical qualities that would lend them selves to the role.
As long as no one mentions "COUGH...stepford wives"
and he doesnt play the joker Gay!
I think he would work!
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robin williams said that he would love to work with nolan again and said that if he was offered the role of the joker he would take it.
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CRISPIN GLOVER, GODDAMNIT!!!!
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Ledger? Ehhhhhh, I can see it to an extent, but I just think that Phoenix would bring that tortured genius to the role while also bringing the 12 kinds of crazy.
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I guess it was Batman: Dead End with Andrew Koenig. Brian Bethel was in Grayson.
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Doesn't even need prosthetics. As far as the whole "bat shit" crazy thing goes, if the script is written well, he can pull it off. Someone has already given us a pic of what he may look like here:
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Hey, I'm still shooting for Mark Hamill. His vocal performance as the Joker in BTAS was about as perfect as you can get.
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he's a character actor. He plays weird guys... he's not an actor actor. Batman Begins was so good because it was so real. He would snap that link to reality like a twig and stand out like nobody's business. I don't know if Heath is the right choice, but Crispin would be stunt casting and we all know where that went last time. Whats next KEvin Smith as the Penguin?
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Yes, he's probably literally insane (any of you seen his bizarro kicking demonstration as a guest on the old David Letterman show?), but what's wrong with precise casting? He could rip off Christian Bale's hair and hungrily drag it across his own cheek.
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He's probably looking to do a big commercial mainstream movie after Brokeback. And how could he both pass up the part of the Joker, an iconic villain, and working with Chris Nolan?
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Not quite seeing it, I would've had Adrian Brody in a heartbeat, but Nolan has earned my trust not to bitch. This will work on levels we aren't considering yet.
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What exactly makes Crispin Glover any good, did anyone see Willard or any of the Charlies Angles films? I don't care if he made his own movie with boobies and mentally challenged people, he isn't that good. He only really is good at playing high pitched mousey parts where he get the oppertunity to A. yammer like a goon or B. squeel like some no nuts banshee from beyond the grave. He would make joker look like a total douche and you KNOW IT!
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Jason Lee should play the Joker. and that's all I have to say about that.
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That sounds like a plan to me!
Maybe even get Mewse to Play the Riddler??
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I don't think it's that taxing for any serious actor of reasonable age and build - that means whoever they get, it's gonna be interesting. But I think that in the wake of Jack's portrayal and its popularity and the iconic nature of the villain, they do have to be careful about us going into the theatre and seeing STAR ACTOR X playing THE JOKER, instead of just seeing The Joker. Celebrity roulette is better suited for a campy, over-the-top Batman flick, not the more grounded one we saw in BEGINS. Is Ledger big enough that we'd see him as the Joker, and turn the casting into a 'stunt'? I believe he might be. *** That said, I think they could do worse, but for me, I heard Ledger's name and immediately thought 'Harvey Dent'. And despite the Crispin Glover love going on here, I'd really rather not see him in the role if for no other reason than I'd rather have someone more 'franchise friendly' so that the possibility of a Joker in later movies remains. And, honestly, even with all things being equal, I believe Sam Rockwell is a superior choice.
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Is great for the animated, cartoony joker. But Nolan's Batman has a more serious tone. Yes, you need loony, but more psychotic than whimsy.
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THAT'S who should be the Joker! VROOM SOCKO IS RIGHT DAMMIT! Just watch the last season of Doctor Who and you'll know the truth! Christopher Eccleston for the Joker!
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not bad JonQuixote not bad at all
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Seems like there are a lot of other actors out there more suited to this role. Denis Leary, Crispin Glover and Tim Roth would all be better choices. But this leads me to believe that they're going for a really intense, nightmare-induced Joker rather than the Mark Hamill style acid trip loopiness. I'm just praying that Nolan includes the Joker's origin as told in "The Killing Joke"; it would fit the tone of this new Batman series perfectly!
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why the hell do we need to see the joker again? The Joker is not the only villian in Batman. Oh, and the penguin needs to go to hell.
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The guy has the most plain face in Hollywood. I can't even picture the guy smiling.
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That's why they went to Ledger. It won't be Crisin Glover or Eccleston. Why? Because the studio wants to try to get more 'insurance' in terms of BO returns. They don't want a re-play of Superman Returns, which I imagine has made the WB suits quite nervous and prone to playing it safe.
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But would he be able to do an American accent? Perhaps they could have an English Joker. If it turns out to be Heath Ledger it means Nolan is taking the role in a specific direction. Personally I want to see the true Joker on screen. Oh, and they'll NEVER cast Glover.
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Ledger would be a great inclusion, but better casting would be as Harvey Dent, the DA who eventually becomes Two-Face. In Miller's Year One and Loeb's A Long Halloween, Dent is portrayed as a friend of Batman who Gordon suspects could be Batman (young, strong, hates criminals). This could be a nice interaction between Ledger and Bale. Ledger could then go on to portray the dual personalities of Two-Face in the follwing film. My vote for Joker is Paul Bettany. He's got the acting chops, he's got the physique (tall and thin, but could still be imposing). I think anyone talking about Glover as the Joker is wasting their time. Maybe this would be inspired casting, but it's just not going to happen.
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But maybe he is up for Dent. Personally I'd rather see Josh Lucas or Phoenix get Dent but oh well will see I guess. If Ledger is casted as Joke I won't cry about it. I personally was very interested in Sean Penn I thought that would have been cool.
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I didn't even realize it was him in "Lords of Dogtown" until the credits started rolling. I bet he could pull it off.
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Ledger did american in Patriot. Also hes an Aussie. I think Glover is the brit.
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For a more down to earth, kind of Hannibal-esque performance, see him in "Batman Beyond: Return of the Joke(uncut version)", or the JL episode "Wild Cards", where he goes away from loony and approaches scary. I don't think he's best suited for live action, though, mainly because of his age.
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Actually, I believe my first post on AICN a little over a year ago was about Denis getting the role.
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Admittedly, I am biased. The Joker is THE greatest villian in mainstream comicdom, in my opinion. Hell, I even carry a The Joker joker playing card in my wallet. However, that last seen in Begins with the taste for the dramatics line and flipping over the evidence bag... WOW. Still a better ending/set up than Barbossa's reveal in Dead Man's Chest. Anywho, my point. The Joker is iconic. He's been done before and he was done good. But the re-working of the Batman universe on film, the way Batman films should be (ABOUT BATMAN) needs this. We need Batman's P.O.V. of The Joker and his affect on Gotham. We need to see a revitalized, fresh, non-sixty year old Joker. We need to see the comic book version of The Joker. We need to see that goddamn purple suit and green hair on a fifty fucking foot big screen.
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He could pull it off and he's a big enough name that the WB suits would sign off on it. Oh, well. Ledger is a talented guy and would be interesting to see where Nolan goes with it. I'm sure it was his idea to begin with.
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Heath Ledger would be a terrible choice. I just don't think he has the ability to go over the top and be menacing. Maybe it's just my image of the Joker that I have in my head, but I don't think Heath Ledger has the acting chops. The only movie I thought he was good in was Brokeback -- he was terrible in just about everything else. They should at least let Mark Hamill do an audition or something for the role of the Joker, he deserves that much (although I am worried he might not be as good in a live action setting).
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Seriously Quint and anybody else who want him, why do you think he should be the Joker? He's not a good actor, he's just a really weird guy.
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illegally videotaped TMNT trailer (thats supposed to be shown at 2pm) by the time I wake up. :P Ledger? BOOOOOO...
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i get carried away and don't review until after posted. sorry.
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The man who was Spicolli turned his back on anything other than pretentiously intense, Oscar-sniffing material years ago.
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He would be perfect for this role, the joker needs a more subdued, realistic performance to keep the theme of Nolan's bat-universe. Huston's got the look, BIG TIME, and he could fit in a nice joker-style suit.
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is an actor...yeah...er...
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Here's ONE area where the first Batman films went sour: the age of Batman. Perhaps it is more accurate that he is an older guy, definitely the older bachelor type, but look at how PERFECT Christian Bale was, and he was much younger. True story, it was called Batman BEGINS, so he has to be a bit younger. Even so, The Joker has to start somewhere, too. Crispin, Penn, even Rockwell would be too old in my book. We need someone who is younger, who can be seen as Batman's foil, and an older actor just can't be seen as an equal, at least in the dichotomy of superheroes.
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look at the picture of heath ledger and this picture of the Joker from 'The Killing Joke.'. I think this could be great, I have confidence in Chris Nolan.
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Trust Nolan. Neeson and Murphy were not conventional choices and they were great in their roles. Remember, Nolan is trying to tell a story and not showcase someone's acting ability or make a choice so crazy that it takes everyone out of the story. And he's certainly not trying to tell some fanboy dream story - Crispin Glover - either. And the LORDS OF DOGTOWN reference is a great nod to what cool work Ledger has done before. Yes, its not a conventional choice but Nolan has a vision and a tone he has set for this series.
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I don't for a second think Crispin Glover would be cast. It is just wishful thinking. There are so many actors out there that would bring their own unique interpretations of The Joker to the screen. I, personally, would like to see Crispin Glover's. Sam Rockwell was another good suggestion. No one else has said it yet, so what the hell, even Jim Carrey would throw out one hell of a wild Joker. And I'm sure he'd go against expectations and play him more sinister and conniving than off-the-wall looney like everyone would expect.
Actually, I change my mind. Christian Bale would make a good Joker. Oh, wait... nevermind. Cillian Mur...hmmm. The guy who played Carl Winslow on Family Matters? -
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look cool, and certainly not threatening. Some villains (especially DC villains) are just too damn goofy.
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yes, too old to begin the franchise! Also I'm not keen on the Joker again, get another villain.
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'nuff said. But if this is true and Nolan wants him, then I'll go with it. Nolan knows what he's doing.
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He's got the hair! He's got the acting chops! And he's done comic book (cough, graphic novel) movies -- his psychotic cop in "Sin City" put me in mind of the Joker.
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I will admit Heath Ledger is a talented actor, but the guy simply does not have an expressive face. I trust Nolan either way, but I'm skeptical of this rumoe for now.
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I love Benecio -- and Sin City -- but he mumbled his way through that performance... "Baby, you know I'm notrazzizz... Somamybessfriendzzrr..."
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He needs to be tall, lean, and mean. The actor needs to not be afraid to go over the top.
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When did he drop down a few pegs on the geek most-wanted list? Ledger would be good if the Joker were sober, soft spoken, mild mannered, and unexcitable. But these things the Joker isn't.
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Moot at this point, but still interesting.
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Crispin Glover as the joker
Heath Ledger as Harvey Dent/Two Face
Paul Giamatti as the Penguin
Bill murray as the ventriloquist
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If they used the Killing Joke story.
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I'd like to see them make the comic book looking Joker for once, the skinny creepy guy, not the middle aged guy with the gut. Sean Penn would be perfect, although Crispin Glover could pull it off in spades.
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I too trust Nolan, and really I don't think the actor has to physically have the look. He just needs to be able to ACT. The rest will follow. Having said that...Hugh Laurie would be wicked cool.
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Heath Ledger is too 'of the moment'. Jake has the grin ready to go.
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because of how well they handled BB (and I didn't know what to expect), I'll keep on trusting them. Maybe they know something many of us don't.
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Tennant's thin, grins a lot, has normal-sized ears, can go from darkly intense to wacked-out nuts in a picosecond...Plus, he's not as afraid of being typecast. As for Ledger, do you think the producers said, "Get the guy from A KNIGHT'S TALE for the Joker," meaning Paul Bettany, and wound up with Ledger by accident?
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I think Heath would make a better Harvey Dent...
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He's not in Nolan's League. Plus, I've officially have him reserved for Sabretooth in a X-men reboot in about fifteen years. I always thought his had shared some of the characteristics that would make a great Creed. If you could throw Gary and Sid Vicious (the wrestler) in a blender, you'd get the perfect Sabretooth. Well, thst or a really bloody milkshake. :/
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include his insane father somehow
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C'mon, you saw him flip out all over Oprah. Cruise can pull off crazy ass clown man and still ping his whites without breaking a sweat...
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Because if a Busey is in the film, it officially becomes a crappy direct-to-video candidate. Go ahead and turn your TV on in the middle of the night, and subject yourself to the hell that is Gary Busey and Eric Roberts movies.
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...Johnny Depp probably seemed "kinda moody" too, and an unlikely choice to play the awfully-energetic Ed Wood, no? Ledger has earned his respect. Plus, I'd like it if we had something other than a constantly bouncing-off-the-walls Joker, you know?
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are any of Batman's main rogue's gallery of villains actually supervillains? Any special powers? Or just gadgets, costumes and madness? From BB at least, it looks like Nolan isn't going to have any superhuman elements in this superhero series. Just sayin'.
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In Batman? No, not generally...and when they do it just gets stupid.
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But names mentioned on here so far seem better. Leary would be absolutely sick. Failing that Rockwell and Bettany culd pull off the crazy and intense really well.
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That's why Bat's has the best villians other than Magneto, in comics.
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I can see it already: In BB, Batman could have killed Chill, sending him down a dark, dark path. Bruce had his family taken from him, just like Joker in "Killing Joke", but circumstances forced Joker down a dark path. SO, I'm thinking they should use Killing Joke's (ridiculously depressing) Joker origin, cast a young actor, preferably someone who looks a little like Bale. My first choice should Nolan go this route would be Adrian Brody; he's got the same sort of hair and the haunted eyes going on, and he's got the gangly body and angular face for the Joker. As for Ledger, he would indeed be more suited to Dent. And as long as people are tossing out Penguin suggestions, Philip Seymour Hoffman all the way; his 2 seconds of screentime in MI:3 had him being the scariest motherfucker I've seen in awhile.
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Tom Cavanagh. I haven't once seen his name mentioned for this, or anything else mind you, but I can't get it out of my head that Ed would be perfect for this role.
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Hugo Weaving. He's perfect for it, except that he's maybe a little old. I can't imagine anyone playing the part better, though.
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We've already seen Ledger play the tormented soul in Brokeback.
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...for a while between Brody and Rockwell. Rockwell seems to have the more natural inclination for mayhem and over-the-toppity goodness that the role would require (plus, he looks more than a little like Bale, which would play up the "twisted reflection" concept). But Brody has the perfect looks and build and his natural awkwardness is note perfect for a "Killing Joke" style rendition of the character. Glover always seemd like the easy choice for me, but the more I think about it the more I think he would just be playing himself in make up, and we've seen someone do that already (Nicholson). Williams would be a mistake. He might be able to submerge his innocuous wackiness in a much darker persona (he's done it before), but he'd just be so recognizable and his voice would automatically lend a cartoonish quality to a figure who (despite his attempts to amuse himself) should really be quite grim. And as much as I love Keaton, I don't want him anywhere near this new Bat franchise. He played the best Wayne once already (not the best Batman, but the best "mask" for Batman). That's enough of a contribution. Ledger could work. The poster above was correct about his widest of shit-eating grins. It's downright horsey and distorts his whole prettyboy face. And I've caught glimpses of an absolutely baffling sense of humor during interviews (consistent with my notion that the Joker should be the only fucker in the room who thinks he's funny). I'll remain open to the notion, rumor or no. And whoever mentioned Cruise for the role above, I know you were being facetious, but I'd pay good money to see that. I think he could totally pull it off (and I hate the guy).
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Only super-villians in the sense that they have repeatedly caused all kinds of carnage and are recognizeable to most passive fans. And for the most part, Batman's villains have remained super-powerless. Which is nice and I'm sure Nolan will maintain. It's always more exciting when the threat is real (at least using a remote controlled robot to hurl cars at you rather than shooting bolts of lightnin' from his arse)
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And that's all I have to say...
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would have been great (well they could digi-facelift him). And whoever suggested Michael Keaton deserves a big hug and a sloppy kiss, though he'd never get it. Will reserve judgement on the Ledge untill I see the movie. Oh and to the guy who wants all the action to be shot so you can see whats happening, it's supposed to be like that in the fight scenes, as the baddies can't see this guy coming at them.
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some of the incarnations of clayface are basically just like sandman as opposed to the clayface that is just like the chameleon.
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I still have doubts about this rumor though. It might be a smokescreen like the whole Robin Williams casting rumors were (basically) during Burton's tenure.
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are u fucking kiddin me. people actually think ledger could be the joker...are u fucking serious...whoever thinks this is a good casting choice is a fucking idiot.
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There are a few choices (and none plain great) for the Joker, but def not anyone named Adrian! Btw, Chris Cornell (Audioslave, Soundgarden) has written, and will perform, the Casino Royale theme,
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As long as Liev Schrieber is casted as Harvey Dent then I will be happy. I do like Heath more and more that I think about it though. He has that intesity, seen in Brokeback, but also that fun, crazy smile. I think he could totally pull it off
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Have never seen Christopher Eccleston in action. While Spyguy threw out David Tennant as a suggestion, I don't think he currently has the right gravitas for the role. His take would be too close to Jim Carrey as The Riddler. Eccleston can do the heavy dangerous-psycho with the required tad bit of humor thrown in. Myspoonistoobig suggested Vincent Cassel, but I don't think he's right for the role. He's certainly born to play Gambit in X4 though! But I've always contended that Cassel's wife, Monica Bellucci, should be Talia Al Ghul.
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SOMEONE POST IT...DENNIS LEARY AS JOKER..OH MAN!!!..WHO EVER SAID THAT IN HERE..YEAH THAT WAS GOOD..
STILL THOUGH..MY NUMBER ONE PICK WOULD BE MARK HAMIL..HE DESERVES IT....BUT WHAT ABOUT HARLEY...? "PUDDIN"....lol -
Monica Bellucci should be in every film
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To be fair, the square-faced one is a decent actor, but anyone who turned down both Spider-Man and Anakin Skywalker in favour of total bombs like The Patriot, The Brothers Grimm, Casanova, Ned Kelly, The Four Feathers and The Order probably isn't smart enough to want to do a guaranteed winner like Batman. Nicholson kicked ass and anyone else will have a very tough job following his portrayal. BTW while Batman Begins was superior to the Schumacher flicks, it didn't match up to Tim Burton's mighty epics.
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I think this is great. I love unpredictable casting for big parts. I, too, trust the filmmakers after they proved themselves. Like modlight said, Glover would be too schticky, probably too cartoon-like, whereas Heath Ledger could be more three-dimensional. Plus I like going the way of youth.
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Just kidding! Ya, now that I think about it, Crispin is too old for this. But I still can't see Heath. Physically, he doesn't line up. His acting...I don't know. I can't picture him getting high-pitched, acting maniacal and diabolical. If this rumor is true, and he takes the role, I hope Nolan surprises the hell outta me.
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When will people start listening to me? Just look at this: http://walford.smugmug.com/photos/32090031-O.jpg
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It's my personal opinion. I love him as an actor. He has never really had a big part of a movie save for Manchurian Candidate but after Begins 2, he will be front and center and FUCKING OWN. Come on, if anyone says he would NOT fit as Harvey Dent then they have some serious problems. http://tinyurl.com/rsmox He has been my personal opinion since 2 days after I saw Begins, my friends and i were sitting around talking about #2. LIEV SCHRIEBER = HARVEY DENT. You know it to be true.
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I guess it depends on how you classify a Super-villain. If Batman is a Superhero...which he is...then the Penguin is a Supervillain.
Seriously I know what you meant...and I think that Killer Croc, Bane, and Solomon Grundy would certainly classify. Most people consider Grundy a Superman villain, but his home, Slaughter Swamp is just outside Gotham and he was originally a Green Lantern for. (Oh my...my comic-geekness is just pouring out isn't it?)
Poison Ivy, with her ability to control plants, and Clayface would certainly be considered 'SUPER' enough to qualify.
Lex Luthor certainly thought so...as he included them in his Legion of Doom. (from the comic JUSTICE series not the cartoon)
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a few months ago i found this . . . http://tinyurl.com/qcesl and I was pissed to find that they stole my idea. But i guess its a good thing that im not the only one who sees it.
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That dude could be great!
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Amen. She certainly could have been Catwoman, Elektra, or Wonder Woman too!
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He wants to get back into acting, there you go. He'd be perfect.
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Have you seen Gone in 60 Seconds? That's why not. The defense rests...
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If you think about BB- Only Holmes and Freeman were the only US Citizens who had major roles
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Yet again more bad choices made in the name of factory assembled celebrities. What ever happened to casting actors. This industry needs an enema!
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(ABOUT BATMAN)" -- Batman is a self-involved rich prick with unlimited resources, rage issues and a messiah complex. Brooding does not equal depth. He's just so... emo. Joker, Catwoman, Penguin, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, etc - those are interesting characters. I would love to see a Batman film where the villain is cast as the protagonist, and Batman as the constant thwart in their side. Oh, wait, there's two - "Batman" and "Batman Returns". Also: Batman Begins is set in the real world? You know, just the other day I was poisoned by Insanium Gas and attacked by Illuminati Ninjas and Katie Holmes was a useful member of society and I thought, hey, at least I don't have reshingle my roof because of that pesky hopping urban tank that's been crashing about. It was like the story of my life playing out before my eyes. I want royalties.
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And that's the problem: the guy doesn't shut it off. He's loony. You want a multi-million dollar project riding on his crazy ass, worrying whether or not he's going to show up, do the line right, etc.? Nolan's no fool. Get someone who can act crazy, not who is crazy. As for the Hamill rumors: c'mon...doing a voice over for an animated series is one thing; a live action major relaunch is something altogether different. They are going A-List with the actor choices; Hamill is D-List at best. Yes, he did some nice voice work on the animated series, but so didn't Tim Daley--and no one was clamoring for him to be cast when they were looking for someone to play Big Blue in Superman Returns. So let the Hamill bitching go. It was never going to happen for reason all too obvious.
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Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/cjkum
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get ed norton
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"Batman.....you are my DENSITY!"
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get buddy hackett
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People will take my suggestion more seriously if I make the subject line all-caps!!
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Why can't we see Batman fight someone that can match his own abilities. How about Clayface or Killer Croc. Nolan is just remaking/reimaging Batman, how un-original/un-creative.
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I can't believe he's actually campaigning for this role, as if he had a chance in hell to get it (he's acting like Sean Young did when she wanted to play Catwoman years ago). At this point I don't care who plays the role (although Bettany and Glover are excellent suggestions) as long as the actor is young, lithe and can be suitably creepy and insane.
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I though it was meant to be going to that Lachey Hume guy.
Was he not rumoured to be in discussion with the production. I have never seen him in anything yet but he looks perfect check him out on imdb. I do like the idea of it going to an unkown so he can become the Joker. However Roth or Eccelston could pull it off. Not sure about ledger at all. -
I can't really see picture him as the Joker. Like, at all. This could all just be baloney anyway, but I'd feel more comfortable if they went with someone whose body of work justified the decision. Anyway, we'll see. If he is cast, I'm curious to see how they realize the Joker onscreen.
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all this talk of LEARY, PENN,DEL TORO...too old. This is to be a young punk Joker...remember, Gordon says he's holding up liqour stores and murdering. I hope Nolan keeps him kind of grounded...batshit insane, sure...but not a Nicholson or Jim Carey type over the top thing
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Failed comedian and all that stuff. Also, Ledger is too pretty for the part
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the guy who played "Sparks" in Matrix II and III, is reportedly the only guy who has actually talked to Warner Bros. bigwigs about the role so far. He's a good actor, he's physically perfect for the role, and he's a huge Batman (comics) fan. My money's on him.
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Fucking brilliant.
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Heath Ledger as the Joker?!?! What are they thinking? I loved Batman as a kid, hated the first 4 batman movies, finally liked Batman Begins and now they're going to ruin the sequel by casting Heath Ledger as the joker?!?!? I say bring on Mark Hamill for the joker; he did a superb job on the voice of the joker for the cartoons. For that matter, hire anybody but Brokebutt Mountain Heath Ledger. What a weird choice. If they cast him, it will ruin the movie for sure.
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We need more black comic book characters after Catwoman, the Kingpin and Alicia Masters. About fucking time
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And tell me not he's this generations Michael Beck - without the coolness of starring in The Warriors.
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EXCEPT for a young hollywood prettyboy. It just doesn't fit at all. Joker requires a character acter. I mean jesus, what was Ben Afleck not available fo the role? Featuring Matt Damon as 'The Penguin'!
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Someone who can play measured lunacy would be better in a Nolan flick. Plus Glover's probably too insane in real life to work with and he's not that good as an actor.
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The Tenth Doctor's rage at Rose's predicament in "The Idiot's Lantern." Go on, watch it again. I'll wait...
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he can do crazy -- he'd look good in the part, and the guy's paid his dues -- not to mention he has a fan following. He deserves it. I hope he gets considered for the part. And no, the Joker doesn't have to be the same age as Batman.
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Damn, that's creepily perfect!
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I just watched that movie from 1928 last night and I'll be damned if that film wasn't the original inspiration for the character of the Joker. The similarities are scary. In fact, they should model the make-up for the new film along those lines...
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He is a "crime fighter"! The worlds greates detective.
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There is no other actor in this age range, who can command the screen, flash a big scary smile -- and make everyone forget Jack Nicholson -- than Kenobi himself.
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I'd like to see it go to Crispin Glover, or Christopher Ecclestone. Hamill is good as the Joker's VOICE - he's too old, too beefy and his face is the wrong shape. The Joker is thin and angular. A big green and white skinny spikey man! Weeeeeeh!
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He would be a GLEAMING choice - the man's a fucking PSYCHOPATH! He can do 'comic-instantly-turning-to-fucking-nutter' in his sleep! He's got a smile like a shark and he can be SERIOUSLY dangerous.
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he got an oscar nod and now is a great actor. man, Brockback was good but I don't get the love for him in it. he mumbled the whole movie and don't get me started with the whole "his chacater was that way" yadda yadda! I truly can't picture him as The Joker and hope this is just a silly rumor. Ledger is a worng choice. Put English actor Rhys Iffans there and now would be a real joker! Even Crispin Glover. Even Robin Williams.Robert Downey Jr. Not a wannabe like Ledger! JMO.
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Was the inspiration for the Joker. That's a fact.
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Ya know?
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That's right...Robinson, not Bob Kane. But will you see Jerry's name credited in the next Batman flick? Probably not, I'm sad to say.
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Not the deformed Joker, but I could see him as The Riddler. Robin was really good in that one with the photograph development.
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There's only one person who is capable of bringing The Joker to life - Marlon Wayans...Think about it, hes' proven that he can act in white-face, he's tall and lanky and he's a better comical actor than the over-rated Jack Nicholson.
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I trust Nolan and his team, I really do. Batman Begins is the best comic book film made to date. But I can't say I'm crazy about Heath Ledger. I even scanned like 6 pages of Google images of the guy (no homo) and couldn't find one picture that sold me on his Joker face. I just keep picturing him in that awful Brothers Grimm mode. Actors who I think could play the joker: Vincent Cassel (been saying this for ages now, needs a voice coach for an American accent but otherwise completely perfect); Viggo Mortensen; Justin Theroux; Christopher Eccleston; Adrian Brody (completely looks the part but can he do intimidating?); Bill Moseley (might be too campy); John Turturro and a few others. Bijou Phillips should play Harley Quinn. Bob Hoskins or David Huddleston (The Big Lebowski) for Penguin. Jeffrey Combs as the Riddler. Call me crazy but I think George Clooney would make an exceptional Harvey Dent, but since he'd bring the stigma of Batman and Robin I dunno let's say Jonathan Rhys Meyers.
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but only as this guy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4Y6iCdka_Y
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jimmy steward or gregory peck.
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Perfect! That's awesome news, Trancer.
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christopher titus. Crazy grin. loads of insanity
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I couldn't be happier with this choice. Ledger can act well, is bankable, and will play nicely off Bale. I like him, he's great. And whoever suggested Liev Schrieber as Harvey Dent- good call. He's got that slick, lawyerly feel that Dent needs. Three years ago weren't all you jackasses screaming about Crispin Glover for Scarecrow? That seemed to work out O.K.
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Watch *Elizabeth*, *28 Days Later*, *The Second Coming* (NetFlix has it) and *Doctor Who*. Not *Gone in 60 Seconds*. He also put in a good performance in *The Invisible Circus* (which IFC televises often) although not germane to this casting argument. The man is perfect for the role as I have long contended. If you want to see intensity, watch him in Episode 6 ("Dalek") of *Doctor Who* Season/Series 1.
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christopher eccleston, hugo weaving, sam rockwell, adrian brody, crispin glover...now, heath ledger added to the list. i don't know, it might just work. people forget how he immerses himself into his roles. he is a chameleon. lords of dogtown he may have been channeling val kilmer as jim morrison but you cannot sit there and say that his off screen persona popped into your mind as you were watching his performance. personally, i like this choice. i like how it angers some of you. everyone screaming for a fucking unknown for this role is extremely laughable. why would warners do that with one of comic books most infamous villians??? hell, if i were them or christopher nolan i would use someone with a little "baggage", an actor with a name. someone strong enough to go toe to toe with bale. if it is indeed ledger, i am happy. he is a consummate performer. he never gives the same performance twice. anyways the joker has always been played for laughs, ledger could inject some much needed intensity into the role. i am all for ledger. by the by, you people getting worried about what is going on with this franchise better head over to latino review and read the review they gave on the new draft of watchmen. be worried about that instead of a franchise in the hands of a more than capable and qualified director. priorities people, priorities.
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...I'm just kidding. Wes Anderson, though, maybe. :-)
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It's hard to think of a worse choice. Queen Latifa maybe.
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No - just bring back ALL the great villains from the first few films, all in one movie, and give the bat suit BIG, ginormous man-titties! We all just LOVED that, didn't we?! They were sucessful, weren't they? Those films had to have made at LEAST $20! Why is it that Hollywood just NEVER GETS IT?! Putting an established, non-scifi actor in the major role of a comics-based flick = DISASTER! Only RARELY does it ever work, and then only if they're certifiably grade-A actors who actually FIT THE PART. Heath Ledger?? I've yet to see him do ANY noteworthy work. He only keeps getting work 'cause the ladies like him. So why do they keep casting like this?? If they keep this up, in a few years comics-based movies will be right back where it was after the Batman & Robin stinkpile.
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*Shallow Grave*, which also has Ewan McGreggor in it too.
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the action. Seriously, the fighting mostly was crap in BB.
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First post ever!
A couple of people have said already that he was the inspiration for the Joker, I've heard the same thing. Actually, a couple of months ago at Batman-on-film.com there was a lot of talk about how they would be using that look as a base to work off of for the next movie. It's really creepy looking, I think it would be great.
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A rumour from www.batman-on-film.com suggested that the Joker will be a mysterious character in the second film with little screen time building to him being the main villian by the third .This is only a rumour and I am sure many of you are better infomred than me but if true may put off the larger names expecting a Jack Nicholson sized part. It may also mean they would consider an unkown with the expectations that by the third one the actor would be an A-lister. Perhaps the big name is planned for Dent if he is to be the main villian. Ledger as Dent makes more sense to me than the Joker.
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What movie did Cripin Glover make with boobies in it? Were they big bouncy ones with pointy nipples?
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I remember reading an interview with David Goyer (screenwriter of BB and sequels) where he said that (SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW) Joker would be the main villain in part two and Batman would take him down with the help of Harvey Dent. Joker would throw acid in Dent's face at the hearing, scarring him and setting up Two Face for part 3.
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I would love me some Bowie as the Joker- but perhaps he is too old (I don't think so, but probably in the minority here). As for a younger actor- anyone... I guess. I was also in the rather vocal minority who thought BB was a little dry and unimaginative- so perhaps casting like Bowie should be left for the next "re-imagining." It
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. . . Now if only they could go back in time & get "Great Balls Of Fire" era Dennis Quaid. I shit you not, look for yourselves. PERFECT. Now back to reality. I remain on the Crispin Glover bandwagon but Tim Roth would kill as well. Adrian Brody has the look but can he pull it off. Scenes from "The Village" hint at maybe for me. Somebody else said it & I agree, Tom Cruise could do the Joker EASILY. It would so give his career a shot in the arm. If he approved of medication that is.
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Rocky Horror Picture Show-era Tim Curry. That would've been one helluva thing.
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I hope this happens. Gosh, I didn't think of Heath before, but reading about it now, thinking about it -- perfect. I think he would be awesome and maybe they will further explore the Joker in private. Maybe Heath's moodiness could work into that profile? Maybe the Joker will further explore the public vs. private.
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Why are they making a sequel to Batman Begins when it was so poor?
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tom cruise as the joker would actually be fucking awesome...
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There are numberous actors whom are better suited for this dream role. Sure, Heath may be a fine actor. But he's not near the best match for the Joker. If you want to consider Heath Ledger for a Batman villain, consider him for one of the more athletic types, perhaps in a later Batman flick. But not the Joker.
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The more I think this could really work. Really, how many of you had high hopes for Cillian Murphy as Scarecrow in BB? Most of us only knew him as the nice but intense guy from 28 Days Later. We know Ledger can do intense, and he can do funny (10 Things I Hate About You, say what you want but that movie cracks me up), and I have enough faith in him as an actor to say he can put those two together. He's big enough to be physically imposing and he's got a good maniacal grin.
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The casting in Batman Begins was all wrong.
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He wouldn't even have to act, just ask him about Katie Holmes and start rolling the camera. lol Or if you wanna save makeup cost, hire Michael Jackson. He's got the creepiness factor about him, too. heh Seriously tho, there was a time when I thought Brent Spiner could've made a good Joker, but he's pushin 60 now. Nicholson was pushing it, age-wise, and he was barely over 50 at the time. (Random weird thought: Sean Connery as Joker... "Where doesh he get thoshe wonderful toysh?") I like the idea of Crispin Glover a LOT. Tim Roth would be okay. There's nothing dark & menacing about Heath Ledger unless you're homophobic and watch Breakback Mountain, or whatever it was called.
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Guy Pearce (previous connection to Nolan) or Michael Ian Black. Pearce has the build/face for it, and Black can go from 0-batshit in seconds. Even their IMDB profile pics look like they're campaigning for the part!
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Given his performance in 'Collateral', that kind of character could easily be tweaked into an awesome Joker.
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He was also originally offered the Batman role...
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Cast him as The Flash or Aquaman or Green Arrow... not THE JOKER! C'mon. Horrible, horrible call.
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For the of God, man (sorry, had to) you wanna tell me that Michael Caine wasn't the perfect Alfred? That you would've picked Not Christian Bale as Batman? The Oldman didn't look EXACTLY like Year One Gordon and embody the spirit of a Good Cop? Murphy was sinister with just the right amount of whacked out. The only bad casting in BB was Katie Holmes, and either she won't be back or the Joker will horribly murder her.
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Has the ear-to-ear grin, that's for sure. Guy Pearce looks like somebody just dug him up. He'd be good if you wanna cast him as Zombie-Joker. =P
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This is the perfect choice.
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...or maybe comic book readers are not as intelligent as they used to be. But every comic book movie apart from Spider-man 1 & 2 has been awful.
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"Bizarre" doesn't even cover it. More like "cluelessly trying to get names that sound prestigious yet hip and preferrably totally unsuitable" to me. Heath Ledger is simply not the Joker as the Joker, and the Joker should be himself. I suppose he could surprise me like hell, but this sounds totally wrong for one of the most iconic villains of comic lore. Adrian Brody would definately be better. What next, Orlando Bloom as Two Face? I gotta disagree that Cillian Murphy was an awful Scarecrow...I don't think Scarecrow is a terribly great character in the first place though, and not in the same league as the Joker. You can fuck around with the Scarecrow, but not the Joker. God, you just know they're gonna get Sean Astin to play the Penguin next.
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it's you.
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pearce was originally offered the batman role? where did you read that? as far a cillian murphy goes, i thought he did a great job with a somewhat two dimensional written character. crispin glover for the joker...god, let that rest. wb would never cast him. they might allow a screen test but too much money is riding on this film. does he have the look? yes. is he seemingly apeshit? absolutely. is he bankable? no. give ledger a chance. if he decides not to do it, give it to eccleston or hugo weaving. both great actors, both completely lose themselves in their characters. for further evidence of eccleston being able to slowly slip into madness, watch shallow grave. for evidence of weaving's acting chops watch...anything he has done minus the matrix flicks. pierce would be good for dent but let's just concentrate on one villian for now, agreed?
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lol Laugh if you must, but I could imagine it. lol fortheloveofgod: I agree except Superman Returns was phenomenal, I kinda like the X-Men flicks, HULK could've been better but was alright, and the only good thing about Fantastic Four was Chiklis's acting. All other recent superhero flicks should've gone straight to video. (Actually, no, I would include Fantastic Four as straight-to-video. One man can't save an entire film, even with Ben Grimm's strength.)
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I've also thought that they could cast TWO people as the joker. A physical actor overdubbed with Mark Hammil doing voice work?
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I had major problems with BB because the action and photography sucked. The Saving Private Ryan shaky-cam did not work at all. I'm still shocked that it was nominated for best cinematography. And Nolan didn't utilize Cillian Murphy (who was awesome) to the fullest extent either. So, no I can't say that I trust him with choosing Ledger.
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You just have to get the closest person you can...only 2 people have ever played the Joker in film/tv cartoons don't count because thats just a voice.
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did someone from Superman: The Remake get put in charge of casting for this? Christ almighty, Heath Ledger?? And people sit around and wonder why the BO is in the shitter.
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This suddenly leaked while everybody was getting excited for Spider-man 3.
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seriously, Mark Hamill, Crispin Glover, and other suggestions I've heard are ludicrous...they are TOO OLD for the role. At some time, in some alternate reality perhaps, they played a great Joker. But in a movie shooting circa 2006 suggest someone not 50 years old to play a superhero...unless it is a parody
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WHAT HAPPENED TO PAUL BETTANY?!
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Jul 20, 2006 4:55:37 PM CDT
In the comics, Joker is about 10 years older than Bats.
by prof. pop-cult
So the casting of Ledger works. I dreaded the possibility that they would cast some scenery chewing old fart, like Robin Williams or Sean Penn.
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Wish I was his agent, kudos to whoever originally mentioned this one
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She would be PERFECT as Harley Quinn! Can't you imagine her calling Joker "Puddin'" with that voice of hers? And Joker's origins MUST be based on Alan Moore's "The Killing Joke"! I would try to convince Scarlett Johansson to do a cameo, appearing in a flashback as the pre-Joker's wife.
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It's Nolan's next movie, and WB actually contacted Lachy Hulme about the role of Joker (apparently that's passed . . .). The movie didn't open huge but stayed in the top 5 for a ridiculous amount of time and I'm pretty sure wound up with if not over 200 mil then pretty close to it. So nobody cares if you didn't like the movie, too bad for you. Jerkass.
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So since when has The Joker been a teenager?? Bear in mind, The Joker is OLDER than Batman. I think you've been watchin a few too many Saturday morning cartoons, CarmillaVonDoom. Crispin Glover is perfectly age appropriate - 10 years younger than Nicholson as Joker and still looks like George McFly after all this time. Mark Hamill, on the other hand, is a bit too long in the tooth. He's pushin 60! So I agree with you there. He'd have been good as Joker about 20 years ago, fresh off of Jedi. He could've used a springboard like that.
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From efavata.com's BB archive:
June 16, 2003: Guy Pearce recently sat down with Jon Stewart of The Daily Show and here is a direct quote from him: Guy Pearce: "Chris Nolan seems to think I'd make a good Batman", Jon Stewart: "When did you turn that down?", Guy Pearce: "I haven't yet". Thanks to DarkHorizons for the quote. -
What a coincidence...the Dini/Timm cartoons happen to be the best representations of the characters in history!
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Not a bad choice. Not a bad choice at all. But where the hell is moviemack? I thought he'd be all over this like flies on shit.
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Your math isn't adding up. Joker is 10 years older than Batman.... Ledger is in his mid-20s. Sorry, I didn't realize the sequel would actually be a prequel's prequel called Before Batman Begins. =P haha Actually, Ledger is 5 years younger than Christian Bale so no... he doesn't work at all in ANY way as The Joker.
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Its not happening.
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ha... no... The best representations of the characters in history were on the air about 10 years ago when, for a brief moment, there were some Batman cartoons out intended for adults. What you see on TV now are twisted versions of those, made all slick and shiny and distorted for the 10-year-old audience.
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Heath Ledger could never, never, never pull off The Joker and I hope to Hollywood this is bullshit. Here's hoping that some of the Batman geeks in the production who are not bewildered and drawn to the darkside - Hollywood's pretty boys and hot shit moneymakers - will simply speak up!
Christopher Nolan... go ahead and ask Frank Miller or Grant Morrison (since Bob is sadly no longer with us, 'us' in a larger sense of course since I never did know him personally or spent any time with him) or you can go to God almighty himself, Joss freakin' Whedon, and ask if this queer mountain cowboy pretty boy is the right choice to play Joker, probably the most important and recognized of all villains in the history of awesome villainy goodness.
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Then somebody better tell Christian Bale, cause it looks like he's already signed on for one. How embarrassing for him.
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There is no Batman Begins sequel.
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HAHA. Ha,ha. ha. No, seriously. Kiefer killing folks, laughing maniacally, in clown make up? That would be intense.
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The main problem you're gonna run into is that there are hardly ANY even half-way decent young actors available today. As such, you're gonna hear lots of, "Max VonSydow as The Joker!" "No! Christopher Lee as The Joker!" lol
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dude's already a psycho, and a great actor. The Denis Leary idea is a good one too.
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If I remember correctly, Crowe was courted by Nolan to play Ra's in BEGINS, but publicly dismissed it.
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I just want fight scenes where I can SEE what kind of asskicking is going on! That was the only part of Batman Begins that Nolan dropped the ball on and I hope he realizes that.
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Jul 20, 2006 5:39:18 PM CDT
Heath Ledger makes a FAR better Harvey Dent/Two-Face
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than the JOKER! But should this be true, I'm willing to sit back and watch where this is going. It could be sweet. Hopefully, not atrociously awful.
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how about Steve Carell. maybe wouldn't get the psycho part of it down, but they could make the Joker hilarious as well as evil.
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LOL!!!!! I hope the thought made you all laugh as hard as it did for me. =D
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this clip says it all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Z0qF5ylio&search=Lachy%20Hulme
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If anyone mentioned him earlier, I missed it scanning through posts, and I apologize for trying to take your idea. But the man for the part, an actor who plays evil and humor at the same time in his current role, is James Spader. Seriously, Alan Shore of Crane, Poole, and Schmidt is the Joker before he became who he is. Spader is the man for the role.
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And tell them Bill Murray should be the Joker. Bill has the unique ability to be both incredibly cruel and incredibly funny at the same time. I also prefer an older Joker.. plus.. Murray is actually a funny guy who can kick some a$$ -- ask Chevy Chase.
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Jul 20, 2006 6:32:07 PM CDT
I'll be disappointed with anyone but Crispin Glover.
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Oh, how I'd love to see him play the Joker. Casting doesn't get much more perfect than that.
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I love the guy - he's a great actor and always makes me laugh, but... as The Joker? He's just not the cackling crazy villain type. More of the chuckling, looney. heh Besides, again - as with others mentioned, Bill's pushin the age envelope a LOT far. Like them, he's ALSO nearly 60. Is it just me, or is everybody here pushin for a nearly-retirement-age Joker? Remember that scene in Batman where he punches Joker and Jack drops those chattering teeth? They'd use the same gag, but it'd be the actor's actual teeth. lol But hey, who knows. Rocky Balboa may just make you believe that an old man CAN kick ass.
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After seeing him in the new "Dr. Who" series I think he'd be a great choice for the Joker.
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is Robert Carlyle. Anyone seen Ravenous? He plays a raving lunatic who just LOVES being a raving lunatic. He's got the intense eyes, the angular features, and the stringy yet potentially powerful looking body that could fit perfectly. I'm so torn . . . I trust Nolan and if he wants Ledger I'll go with it, but there's so many actors whose Joker I'm dying to see!!
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Go from prequel to finale! Cast Michael Douglas as Batman/Bruce Wayne and then we can cast any one of most of the above mentioned ideas for Joker. New title... Batman Ends: Grumpy Old Men. lol
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How 'bout Geoffrey Rush? Fresh off of playin' Barbossa. And if you've seen Mystery Men, you'd almost swear his Cassanova Frankenstein character was based loosely on The Joker.
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"""I love the guy - he's a great actor and always makes me laugh, but... as The Joker? He's just not the cackling crazy villain type."""
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LOL YES! I'd pay to see Joker run blindly into a room, turn around to see Batman, stagger backwards up against the wall, look nervously all around and then run all gangly legs back out the door again! And get Jerry Seinfeld to play Superman as a cameo in the same flick. If you know him, you KNOW it'd be his dream role. lol
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DANNY GLOVER! BONNNNNGGGGG!
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I've actually recommended that before. Have Eccleston in the role, but once The Joker persona consumed the original person - the failed commedian -use Mark Hamill's voice. Its a risky gambit - no pun intended - but it could work. But I think Eccleston could do an interesting voice for the character on his own.
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what about Michael Keaton as the Joker? itd be surreal and kick ass
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That IGN article says this is no longer one website claiming to have the scoop and everyone else jumping on it, but that it's all but confirmed. So I guess all we can do is . . . hope for the best. Heath, don't fuck up.
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isn't the joker supposed to be some gangly looking guy, not some pretty boy? geez.
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Who wouldn't love to see his take on The Joker?! LOL hahaha (I hope nobody thinks I'm being serious.)
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Apple posted the TMNT trailer. Good lookin'.
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Rowan Atkinson would make a good post Jack Nicholson Joker, seeing as how he fell 100 stories and landed on his head. If he were to have survived that, he'd have to have suffered some massive brain trauma.... So yeah... perfect casting. =)
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And thanks for callin me good lookin'. How can you tell? lol
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Tell me nobody would actually want to see Michael Keaton as the Joker. That would be about the worst gimmicky casting decision I could think of. Plus, Keaton's about as exciting to watch as soggy bread.
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Honestly! When is the last time you can say you've watched soggy bread?!? Don't knock it til you try it, bub. lol
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I'm going to abstain from commenting on your suggestion of the physical actor as I've only seen Eccleston here and there. Nothing stood out seriously for me (though he is a good actor). Good to know I'm not the first to think that. With two "lesser" actors, the cost might be less than it would be for someone else.
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Sorry, but Willard is so not right for the joker. I really can't imagine him at all. I can sort of see Heath Ledger, I still think Paul Bettany would be better. But "A Knights Tale" actually gives a better option than either of those two. James Purefoy. Put a grin from ear to ear on that guy and let him play it dark, I am there!
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I saw a comic book some years back(can't remember which one it was) that had a picture of the Joker on the front and I'll be damned if it wasn't the spitting image of Norm MacDonald...I think Norm would be an interesting choice...he's tall and lanky...got the look..has kind of a dark side...but perhaps he is too laid back to play the Joker....can Norm play CRAZY!..Hmmmmm...I wonder...gotta have that insane laugh down or it's a no go...Hope they give him a look see...I think he'd be great!
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I'm also starting to get burned out on Dane Cook overexposure myself...but his early stand-up does have a certain manic, insane quality to it! Take a look at the pictures on these links before passing judgement.
DANE COOK AS THE JOKER PICTURE 1
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/Joey_Redballs/Diaganol-DC-is-The-Joker.jpg
DANE COOK AS THE JOKER PICTURE 2
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d79/Joey_Redballs/Dane-Cook-is-The-Joker---LA.jpg
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I'd take Lachy Hulme, Hugo Weaving or Robin Williams over Heath Ledger, myself. Yes, Ledger can act; and yes, he's got a big ole grin...but unless he drops about 20-30 lbs for the role, I can't see him in it. As outlined in The Killing Joke, the guy who wound up becoming Joker was a struggling stand up comic who looked as if he hadn't had a full meal in a year or two. While certainly not a bad guy at the time (married with a child on the way), he definitely wasn't handsome either....Now, something else just occured to me: it could be that Nolan is thinking of Ledger because, compared to some of the other names being bandied about, he'd be better able to "disappear" into the role. Weaving is Agent Smith to everybody, and Williams--even though he worked with Nolan before on Insomnia, and demonstrated he can do psychotic just fine--would simply be too much himself in the part, just as Nicholson was in 1989. Was Nicholson great in the role? Of course...but in every frame, he was still JACK--he couldn't help it. Which leaves Hulme, whom I still see as the best choice. First of all, almost NOBODY outside of Australia knows who the hell he is (let's see how many respond to this with "I DO, I DO!"); and second, he's got the right look facially (http://tinyurl.com/mjxsx...scroll down for the pic). Frankly, he can play a scary mofo very well; and even though Heath can cowboy up with Jake, I don't see that translating into a convincingly scary Joker performance. Of course, I'm sure I'll be reversing all this once the movie comes out :)
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...not British. His real, dropped-for-the-movies last name is actually "LLANFAIRPWLLGWYNGYLLGOGERYCHWYRNDROBWLLLLANTYSILIOGOGOGOCH."
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BUT CAN HE ACT?
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Sorry to make the obvious joke, but nobody else has. I'm OK with Ledger. Better than Robin Williams. I always thought Willem Dafoe should have played him in the Burton version, but he's too old now. We need a young Joker who can match Batman, not an old fat Jack Nicholson type. Not an old, fat, hairy Robin Williams type. This would be Joker's beginning, also, he needs youth. Ahoy!
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Heath is it guys. Film Force dont post bogus rumors this is looking legit folks, Heath is the new Joker. While not an obvious choice it definately sounds promising and Nolan can do no wrong so here we go people!
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Moleculo...the Molecular Man!
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Yeah. Aw hell yeah. I can dig that. But like Quinn said, I trust Nolan implicitly.
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Tell me I'm wrong - he's fucking deranged:
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Well, that'd be my choice anyway. He can act, both dramatic and kooky, he's tall, lanky and has a weird facial structure. And he would be about eighteen million times better than Heath Fucking Ledger.
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He played Col. Tavington in The Patriot. I think he has the right look for the joker. http://tinyurl.com/ejpay
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Alan Tudyk as joker.
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STFU with your love of the joker in that hack of a batman film... The only cool part was when batman in his grey leotard was fighting the aliens and predators... BATMAN DEAD END SUCKED!!! THE JOKER WAS DISGUSTINGLY TERRIBLE!! I've pooped better jokers out of my wretched anus. Seriously, he seemed like some over acting high school drama queen with a penchant for the melodramatic. JACK NICHOLSON IS JOKER right now... not that batman dead end joker... get your head out of your ass right now and wake up. I liked the batman though, but that kid who played the joker was terrible. The dialogue he had about 'you created me batman!!!' was so over acted crap, and he laughed wayyyyyyy too much.. i could have beat him up with my eye lashes... that's how pathetic that joker was.
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I will not see this film if someone held a gun to my head and said see it or i shoot.
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Because it'll have the same crap rubber costume from Batman Begins and the other crappy movies. The same eyeholes with makeup around them. The same "love-intrest" bullshit. The Batmobile will still look like a Hummer raped a Lambourgini. You'd think it was the most difficult thing in the world to make a cool-looking Batman movie.
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But they'll probably get another fat octogenarian.
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Has this TB reached its quotient of Doctor Who losers yet? Gad. Well, c'est la vie. Go ahead and yap about your obscure British actors while we talk of realistic options. Ta.
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Your screen name says it all man just SHUT UP DOUCHE! Sometimes looking cool isnt the first priorty in mking a good movie look at Batman and Robin and Batman forever! Begins is the best comic book movie BAR NONE!
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Ledger has the range. Glover is just a one note weirdo. Boring. Boring. Boring. Brody just plain bugs me... he may have hte physical aspects going, but the range isn't there. Weaving is an interesting choice, but he too just doesn't fit. Too monotone unless he can crank things up a bit. Sean Penn would have been fun, but he would have to lose 40 pounds. Ledger has range, and can pull off both the crazy Joker, and the dark Joker.
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I see the 1989 Batman and see Jack Nicholson and not the Joker, I hate to say it, but Crispin would be too goofy Crispiny. And I really like the guy.
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"He's kind of moody"?
Paul Giamatti?
What a bunch of assholes.
Crispin Glover would be perfect.
Adrien Brody would be perfect.
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As far as I'm concerned, Mark Hamill reinvented the Joker for all times on TAS. Otherwise, Denis Leary would put a nice psychotic edge on the role.
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I know The Joker isn't the toughest physical specimen to ever walk the earth, but the man playing him should not be someone whose ass I could kick with both arms and legs tied behind me. And as I said earlier, the man to be the Joker is....... James Spader. First rate actor who could handle the range, and is fantastic at playing a psycho evil bastard.
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Michael Emerson.
Think about him in full Joker makeup, when he sent Jack and Locke that full faced smile after telling them what he would do if he WERE one of them. He may not have the lanky build, but his face, voice, and acting style is perfect. -
MATT DAIMON... or BEN AFFLEK... not heath ledger... Seriously though Matt Daimon would be a freakin awesome joker... him or LEONARDO DI CAPRIO... or TOM CRUISE, OR STFU TALKBACKERs... nolan is going to pick whoever he wants, if you dont like it suck it
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A black joker? Hell they had a black Kingpin.
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I'm jumping on the "trust in Nolan" bandwagon. Though it had some off points I walked away from 'Begins' feeling pretty good about the movie.
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before the "Brokeback Joker" jokes begin?
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Mackenzie Fucking Crook.
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Lets face it if he can get dressed up as a women with a lot of make up in the middle of the Australian Desert and walk into a local bar. He can do anything. Not only that he has shown he is capable of any moods and intence acting check out The Hard Word, Ravenous,Rules of Engagement, Memento and Christopher Nolan knows once the cameras start rolling Guy Pearce is right there in the moment. Forget ledger
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just as "brilliant" of a casting choice.
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Great Britain is comprised of England, Scotland, and Wales (and some would argue that Cornwall is also a nation in it). Thus if you are English, Scottish, or Welsh, you are British. Some people are dense.
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You do realize that Lamborghini for a long time has made one hell of an offroad vehicle that puts to shame Hummers and Land Rovers since the 70s. Thus, the Tumbler is not the product of a Hummer raping a Lamborghini. Tool.
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Are you really that stupid? Go back and re-watch *Batman Begins* and start naming off the actors that don't hail from the British Isles. That would get you Morgan Freeman and Katie Holmes. All the other main actors ARE British and/or Irish. Thus if we want to debate whether Eccleston or Tennant would make a better Joker, its totally appropriate. Now so smeg off, you git.
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"go" instead of "so"
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really bad. Ledger is a bit too nice looking for the Joker, isn't he? Are we going to see an annoying "updated" Joker? Or is Ledger willing to do what it takes to really portray the character?
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It's looking more and more probable. As I've said before I think this can work. He has that brooding sense about him and that funny crazy side to him. Plus that smile he has is pretty good. Now that Joker has been casted lets move onto more important roles >>Liev Schreiber = Harvey Dent>> Lets start the petition now.
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I just hope he is willing to ugly himself up and they don't attempt to fetishize the character.
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For real.
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I don't see what that has to do with The Batmobile and how shitty it looks.
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Go suck Christian Bale's dick you retard.
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Hmmm... I guess that'd work too. But there's no use wasting him on a movie that's sure to be shit. Might as well use Heath Ledger for that.
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But nothing I've seen of him says he could pull off Joker. It just seems odd casting to say the least. If he really is cast, I hope he surprises everyone and really is right for the part. But you have to admit, based on what we've seen of him before, this is a head-scratcher. Personally, the Joker is so iconic, I wouldn't mind them getting an unknown to play the part.
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As someone from Scotland, I can say to you now, Scotland is not now or never will be Brit! SCOTLAND FOREVER!
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...If they were set on casting an American, of course. But no, I can't see him as the Joker.
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I think JQ's suggestion of Rockwell is pretty good. But for some reason, I am curious to see Ledger in the part (IF he will stay true to the character). Rockwell would actually make a very good Riddler.
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to drown themselves in the part of portraying a 'realistic' Joker.
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Or if not, what about Peter Billingsley? Yeah, the kid from Christmas Story. I bet he's all fucked up.
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Quinten Tarantino as the joker.
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Joker is tall and skinny....speaking for tall skinny guys, he isn't apart of us... my money on Crispin Glover. Ugh, not Heath!
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That's it. Casting's done.
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My only complaint about Ledger is that he seems a bit too young. But do a Google search for "heath ledger smile." The guy totally has that down.
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I dunno about Brokeback Aquaman or whatever, but all Glover, all the time is getting on my nerves.
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Christopher Nolan is still cutting the Prestige and David Goyer said in an interview that they only have the basic story laid out, no script as of yet. Believe me, they aren't offering any parts out this early. How do I know? It's called AUDITIONS. Very rarely do producers simply hand parts out, unless its some major star that they already have in mind. Heath Ledger is not a major star(yet). BatmanOnFilm has been tracking this thing closer than anyone and Heath Ledger was never mentioned. Its bets were on Lachey Hulme, Jude Law, Paul Bettany, and Hugo Weaving(hey, V was essentially Batman and the Joker mixed together). If I had a say I'd go with Hugo. WB execs already love him, and he actually looks kind of like the Joker and is about the right age.
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"Go ahead and yap about your obscure British actors while we talk of realistic options. "
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You know this to be true!!! A:He's got the crazy banana-faced, man-on-the-moon grin already. B:He has a built-in fan-boy Audience that will flock to see this. C:He can direct his own little chapter of the movie, for laughs, like he did in Sin City. D:He can add some hip pop-culture comic refs to the script about The Flash or The Green Lantern, like he did on Crimson Tide. E:He's Black, which will give the Batman series some much needed cultural diversity. F:He has the Acting chops!! Just watch Desperado, Destiny turns on the Radio, Pulp Fiction and Little Nicky!!! F: err...maybe not.
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Or Bowie or Paul Bettany or JOHNNY DEPP!!!
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I hate Heath Ledger for the role. I don't think he can do it. But I think HOW THEY USE THE JOKER in the film could be a more critical choice than who they cast. The second film still needs to be centered around Bruce Wayne and Batman. The Joker should be used sparingly.
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He is such a great actor!!!
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Bad. Just bad. Wrong physicality altogether. I like Heath Ledger but he is not the right person to cast as the Joker. I'd still have loved for them to go for an unknown, that way he could really be bat-shit crazy and humorous and not seem like such a "star-turn" for an established actor. They've got all the name presence they need in the film. They don't need to go with a name for the Joker. And especially not Ledger.
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1. Tim Roth
2. Sam Rockwell
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Don't deny it. He can be anyone!
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Come on, have you SEEN his Dr.Who?
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Okay then, uh, Depp! Yeah, Depp to play everybody in the world. In the universe! You KNOW he could pull it off...
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It's the same thing ya dumbass, Wales is part of Great Britain. That's like saying "I'm a Californian, not an Ameriacan".
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I hate to tell you this mate, but Scotland is in fact part of Britain, it's factual, you can't really argue against it. Besides, it's just a name given to a bunch of countries. Like refering to Germans and French as European, y'know ?
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Not really. Europe is a continent, GB isn't. So Scandinavia would be a better example. Besides, everybody speaks with a dutch/swedish/french accent in Gotham City. It's a fact..
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It is true Scotland is Part of Great Britian. However there are people in Scotland that state on their passport they are Scottish.We have a political party (backed by Sean Connery) called SNP who want Independance for Scotland. I am NOT coming out as a supportet but I feel I should make it clear that many feel it is much more important than just the name given to a group of countries.
The British anthem God Save our Queen contains the following line which has always annoyed me.
:Lord grant that Marshal Wade
:May by thy mighty aid
:Victory bring.
:May he sedition hush,
:And like a torrent rush,
:Rebellious Scots to crush.
:God save the Queen!
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should be Guy Pearce.
1) Already worked with Nolan
2) Can do serious cop role (LA Confidential)
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You're quite correct, there are pleanty of people who want one thing and pleanty of people who want another, from all walks of life and for all sorts of things. I was simply trying to illustrate to kdoc13 that "As someone from Scotland, I can say to you now, Scotland is not now or never will be Brit! SCOTLAND FOREVER!" is technically wrong, as it is part of Britain. Currently, subject to change, it's a cold, hard fact.
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We're all swedish. Sweden took over the world two years ago, we just didn't tell anyone to avoid uprisings and stuff. But to avoid confusion you can still call your contries the same name as long as you put the word "old" in front of it.
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Cripes, no wonder everyone else in Britain hates the English.
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Did I say all British actors are obscure? Did I? No, I did not. I said arguing about which Doctor Who actor should play the role is arguing about obscure British actors. P.S. Your loser level is doubled if you use made-up insults from more British crap TV shows.
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Vinnie Jones would be a great Joker and as a villain he would have great natural athourity.
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The year 1707 says contrary. The Scottish Parliament voted for the Union. Funny how the Scots didn't complain about the Union while many disproportionately benefitted from the riches of the British Empire (one of the causes of the American Revolution, I might add) at its height and then created this cult of victimhood after its dismantling. As an American with British ancestry (English and Scottish), I'd rather see the Union stay together than be dismantled and both nations have to be subserviant to the Euroweenies. I have a suspicion that the Anglo-American Empire will form in the next 50 years formally (instead of in stealth) before the rest of Europe federalizes to the benefit of the immigrants since nobody but the Irish are reproducing to actually replace themselves in Western Europe. But I digress.
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He's definitely a surprise choice because he's much younger than other rumored contenders. I still would have preferred Tim Roth or Paul Bettany in the role, but I think Ledger will do a good job.
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think about it. People already view the guy as a loon. He'd rip it up as the Joker. And WB execs would be doing the happy dance; you can't get a bigger "name" than that. Guaranteed box-office.
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I take issue with the SNP because they are ulta left wing. Like the VietMinh tried to claim the entire Vietnamese independence movement. The SNP would try to yank an independent Scotland out of NATO. Then they think the nation could live completely off the monies from the North Sea oil if it were nationalized. Yet in their puny minds they think they wouldn't be taxed heavily (excuse me, subsidy transfer payments and "contributions" to the EU budget) by the EU which is just daft because the EU lives at the expense of the rich member states to prop up the loser nations. And a nation of 5 million socialized oil barons would be targets of the Eurocrats. Hell, if it weren't for "Britain's" veto powers, the entire EU would have harmonized excessive tax rates like France which would have tanked the European economy ages ago. Plus, Scotland actually costs more to administer with its generous social programs than what is made off that oil, a fact that fuels many in England to demand their own national assembly. But hey, Spain-living Sean Connery must know best because he's an actor. Sometimes as an outside observer I wish that the Monster Raving Loony Party would take control of Parliament. Now that would be funny.
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If you look at that cover with Joker holding the camera up you will see Vincent Cassell plain as day. Hell he would need minimum make up to get into character. Just need to get his accent right. I liked a lot of the names thrown out here too. Leary, maybe Ledger, Glover, Brody, Eccleston, Bettany, and Phoniex. still holding out hope for Hamill. But Cassell would be my first choice.
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To be clear .I am NOT a supporter of the SNP. Do you know if the Raving Looney Party still exist after Lord Such died ?
Tony Blair for The joker?
David Cameron for two face?
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...if it turns out to be a 100% done deal. I admit I was leaning more in the Tim Roth/Eccleston/Weaving direction (although for Weaving, it may be too much of a rehash of Agent Smith and V). Glover and Gallo have the "face", but I don't think they really have the acting chops to pull off the type of diabolical Joker character I'd like to see. So, it's very possible that Ledger could bring something unexpected to the table. I'm game.
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Sam Rockwell could be money as well. Good call on that one. -- Moviemack's absence in this TB could only mean he's gearing up for one mother of a post. And zfisk/homewrecker's useless presence earlier on speaks for itself...
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he might play well off of Bale
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RedHHades, good call on this. I suggested this on here and on IMDb when Begins was still in the theater and everyone began talking about the sequel and got my ass chewed out. I think he's got the look, the physicality and the manic sensibilities to pull it off. Getting him to do an 'American' accent might be the difficult thing, though.
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I mean he's not fat, just that I always envision the Joker as a skinny, scrawny character. He's a great actor though, just I don't think he physically fits the part.
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Every single talkback I read, you are talking about other posters, patting yourself on the back for "predicting" their actions and opinions. I never see you contribute an opinion. Not one. Mr. Negative, masturbating over how predictable the others are. Well, I predict your future posts will incessantly mention Moviemack, Homewrecker, and anyone else you can think of to prove you have the Power of Foresight.
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Only one of these men should portray the Joker in the next two Bat flicks.
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Jul 21, 2006 11:05:57 AM CDT
Guy Pierce or Viggo Mortesson for Harvey Dent/ Two-face
by r.c. the "wise"
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could play a mean Joker. In an alternate universe, though, I still think Robert Carlyle of Trainspotting and Ravenous would tear it up . . . just look to the scene in Ravenous when he's stalking Guy Pearce through the forest. Too bad no one knows who he is . . .
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Though, I seriouly doubt that Harley will be in the films
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He was poorly used in The World is Not Enough. He would've made an excellent Bond villian if the script was stronger.
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is a tiny guy. Bale is not. The Joker needs to stand toe-to-toe with Bale. And hopefully, they won't waste our time by KILLING the Joker for this go round. He needs to remain a permanent threat, even if he isn't in the sequels. Carlyle can be the Mad Hatter. Ha.
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I'm sure the reason moviemack was mentioned is because moviemack HATES "Batman Begins". You may consider the fact that certain patterns of behavior do develop in TalkBack. Considering this is a "BB" related TB, it is unusual that moviemack has not chimed in. When it comes to superhero stuff, he is the "Eeyore of AICN".
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It would be easy to get Chloe Sevigny cast as Harley, which would lead to some interesting cut scenes. Granted, it still didn't save *The Brown Bunny* from being a collossal waste of film. I don't get Gallo. He's such a depressing wanker. I thought it was just with that particular film but then I wasted time watching *Buffalo 66* which felt like the same film.
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Perhaps somebody should mention it in Parliament about changing the lyrics in the song then. I don't see why it hasn't happened considering Blair is ethnically Scottish, his eventual successor Brown is, and the Royal Family considers themselves Scottish due to the deceased Queen Mum. And yes, the Loonys still exist. Look 'em up on Wikipedia. There's a link to their homepage. The deceased cat CatMandu is the Party leader. There should be a film made about the life of Screaming Lord Sutch. I can't think of an American counterpart unless "Crazy George" or "Darth Raider" had gone into politics.
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Wait....Woody Harreleson comes close.
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but I always like the image in the cartoon of this scrawny little fucker just being crazy enough to fight Batman with his fists but preferring to be a little more conniving about it with traps and whatnot. Let's face it, when it comes down to fisticuffs the Joker all by his lonesome isn't that big of a threat to Bats. Especially the scary ninja/monster Bats Nolan put up onscreen.
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were to play the Joker like he played Begby, it would be spot-on insanity - "Batfink! You doss cunt!"
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I'd often wondered how patriotic Sean Connery feels when he pays his taxes to the Cayman Islands. He needs tp shut up, or go home. (Litterally, in this case).
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I think Ledger is a bit young for the role (shouldn't Joker be middle aged or thereabouts?) he can act and like other have stated I trust the team behind the first film
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What about Steve Buscemi?
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...it's kind of too bad Gary Oldman was cast as Gordon. If there is anybody who can switch between a loonie schizo-clown to a full-on terrifying sociopath, it's Oldman.
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...if Nolan is keeping the tone of Batman Begins. Gary Oldman would have been great...Other names that come to mind are Ron Perlman, Stephen Dorf, or Chris Tucker (no, seriously).
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Enough Said.
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Everyone is thinking about Ceasar Romero and Jack Nicholson. The Joker is really about the same age as the Batman. I'd also be on board with Christopher Eccleston. He's good at playing out the trauma victims.
PLUS, we don't want a high pitched cackling Joker. Batman villains are cold hearted scary individuals, not maniacal LARP wannabes. If you want to do it right, see the Scarecrow from the first movie.
If Joel Schumacher could screw up Two Face so badly (Joker 2: The Revenge!!), imagine what he would've done to Scarecrow.
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Always the most obvious choice with you people. Billy Zane for Luthor right, because he's already bald and you have no imagination? Kelsey Grammar as Beast, right? Because he always plays smart people? Just give it a rest, Crispin Glover would totally crap on a sequel to Batman Begins with a hamfisted performance directly from his real life. I'm not saying Heath Ledger is a great choice, but you will never see Crispin Glover in a Batman film so just drop it already.
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at least we'd all be suitably satisfied when Batman punched him repeatedly in the face at the end, thus living out the fantasy of most people who have ever heard him talk.
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Gordon. He disappeared into the character completely. I only hesitate for a second when I say that of the entire Begins cast, he got his character the closest. So I'm happy that he's doing that and not drifting around looking for a villain role. One of the nice things about that performance was that he rarely plays good guys. I expect the sequels will go a lot more into Gordon and Batman's friendship as well, so I'm sure he will have lots to do.
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First off, Joker is about a decade older than him. Not the same age, not middle age, not a teenager, and not 5 years younger (which Ledger is, compared to Bale.) Ledger should NOT be The Joker. He doesn't fit in ANY way! They would have to recast Batman with a 15-year-old and call it Before Batman Begins: The Prequel to the Prequel! I GOT IT - you could cast Haley Joel Osment as Batman! So no... the Ledger leak is complete bunk. He probably auditioned and was told, "Thank you, we'll be in touch. Next!"
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is a muthafreakin CHAMELEON!! I swear... he hardly looks the same at ALL from role to role! I mean look at him as Dracula... and then as Zorg... then look at him as Sirius Black... and then - until I read it in this forum - I had NO idea that was him playing GORDON! I just figured it was some noname who happened to look the part and performed it marvelously! (Sorry..., I mean DC-ously.) I'm officially dubbing him my favorite actor, right here and now on this forum.
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I seem to remember when Batman Begins was announced and the same rabid speculation surrounded Batman, that Nolan and co invited several people in to audition for the role. (I seem to remember Jake Gylenhaal, David Borneaz among the names). Apparently they had their heart set on someone else but when Christian Bale did his screen test they decided right there. So I would be a bit surprised if they just offered it to Heath Ledger without auditions and screen tests at least. Maybe he was one of the people invited to an audition? Anyway it seems pretty authentic since all the news sites are reporting it, but I'm tempted to do a search of AICN from a couple of years ago to see what kind of rumors were flying around about Batman Begins for a bit of a reality check.
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to have asked a few inside sources working on the movie and they confirmed that the role had indeed been offered to Ledger. No confirmation on whether or not he took it, but IGN seems pretty sure that it's him, and I've found them to be pretty damn trustworthy over the years. Still . . . Robert Carlyle . . . Sam Rockwell . . . Paul Bettany . . .
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...is why he could pull it off (if Nolan goes for that type of Joker)...I'm not sure if Batman would be able to get his hands on him to punch him repeatedly. Tucker would likely be dancing all around him with his Michael Jackson moves from Rush Hour... All joking aside. His performance in Dead Presidents shows he can tone it down when required. I saw him at a screening once and he was so laid back, I almost didn't recognize him. Nonetheless, Oldman would've been a tremendously memorable Joker.
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First post and I have a couple of points to make:
Numero uno: This has been confirmed by IGN and Batman-on-Film and Latino Review has a good source, so its probably true and stop with the what if Crispin Glover stuff.
Numero dos: There are other choices I maybe would have liked to see, but Heath Ledger, as out of the blue and unexpected as he is, is not the absolute worst choice they have ever made. I got interested in comic books because of Batman Begins and the Spider-Man movies, and Nolan never would have hired someone for such an important and difficult part without trying them out, so I agree that Ledger probably auditioned or got screen-tested and I'll trust Nolan, because it may be weird, but I can kind of see it.
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It was uttered at Hasbro's Transformers panel!!! And the reason? Fan support on message boards, apparently! Keep it comin'!!! http://tinyurl.com/rud69
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Looks to be true, Batman-On-Film just got a second confirmation at Comic-Con. Here it is:
Friday, July 21, 2006 - 8:26 AM PACIFIC TIME: I usually don't go out on a limb unless I have had something confirmed. Heath Ledger will be The Joker. From my BEST source:
"Nolan has been in secret talks with Ledger for some time....The fan favorites like Paul Bettany, Crispin Glover and your fave pick, Lachy Hulme, were just grist for the mill. Ledger will be playing The Joker. The offer was made last night, and it will be a done deal.
There you have it. Heath Ledger is The Joker.
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After reading the Long Halloween I don't see why Liev Schriber would be too old to play Harvey Dent. Liev is turns 40 next year. Harvey Dent is the District Attorney. Seems like an OK age to me. Plus, I see that Dent is married. Hmm, a 40 year old with a wife. Again, sounds good to me. LIEV SCHRIBER = HARVEY DENT.
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that previously rumored Josh Lucas would make a good Harvey Dent. He can do nice-guy Dent, and he can do evil (the best part of Ang Lee's Hulk was his death!). And yeah, I think we need to accept/resign ourselves to seeing Heath Ledger's Joker in Summer 2008.
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I think the guy is weaselly. What has he done that is so awe inspiringly great that he would make a good Harvey Dent? I mean I'm sure he would be better than Tommy Lee Jones in full-on scenery chewing mode, but I'm not sure how Schrieber became such a fanboy favorite.
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I like Liev for the part because every movie I have seen him in he has that quiet intesity and the nice guy that you can count on. As Dent I think that he would bring the "lets get it done" type of attitude but still have that seriousness to him. He is a good actor but he hasn't been in anything substantial that he can show off, exept maybe Manchurian Candidate. I first brought up the idea of Liev for Dent because I think he deserves a character that he can finally sink his teeth into. Who would you like to see as Dent, Gwai Lo? I'm just curious.
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I mentioned this somewhere above, but I think George Clooney would theoretically make a good Harvey Dent. But of course they are trying to DISTANCE themselves from the old franchise, so forget him. He's too old for the world of Begins anyway. When I watched Match Point I thought Jonathan Rhys Meyers would do well. I'd be happy if Guy Pearce was cast as he is a great actor who is fantastic in just about everything he does. I'd rather see Balthazar Getty than Liev Schrieber, they're basically the same person but I like Getty better.
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mark hamill
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David Boreanaz was one of the actors on the short list for the role. I actually wanted him in the role (but Bale was my #2 choice) because he had already been playing a Batmanesque character for 5ish years on television, as well as for budgetary purposes and that unlike many cinematic actors he would probably be committed to 3 or 4 films. In your search, if you go back to the threads when Aronofsky officially was assigned to the project, you'll see that I was posting how wrong he was for the project, how a straight adaptation of "Batman Year One" would be too boring, and that Ra's Al Ghul should play the role of the overall villain of a new trilogy. I'm glad Nolan & Goyer were of similar thinking, at least in terms of Al Ghul and not adapting straight "Year One".
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Might be ok as Dent but I really don't see him as Two-Face. Meyers would work but isn't he a bit young. I know that they are trying to restart the characters but I think he is to young. I see Dent in Begins2 as a well established District Attorney who has the respect of alot of Gotham and the respect of Batman. George Clooney would have been pretty good but yeha, to late for that one. Out of the three that we discussed I would put Pearce out of it, don't see him as both Dent and Two-Face. Meyers and Schrieber I could see both but I would give it to Schrieber because he can carry that authority needed for a District Attorney. And when you said Clooney, he is older than Schieber.
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Think about it. He's a tall, wirey, skinny guy who scares the crap out of everyone! The only question is, can his agent find him to sign the contract.
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Damnit... I would love to see that in-jail stuff in the movie with joker but they did made it impossible with batmans in-jail stuff in Batman Begins. Too bad, Because of all the iconic comic villains; Joker is one of the best.
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I mean, really. There are numberous American actors whom have far more potential to chew the scenery as the Joker. What's up with Nolan and his resistance to utilize American actors??? -- And how about some real American choreography which can be seen on film? How about that?
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Nice one zfisk/homewrecker. I'm glad to see that you still got nothin'.
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for a change (Sirius Black, Jim Gordon). I agree he was very likeable as Jimbo.
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in the comics. Or at least, there is at least one origin story that suggests as much.
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...has been nice, superninja. Oldman's Commissioner Gordon certainly won't be the "same-old, same-old."
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That's actually a pretty damn great suggestion. I love Glover to death, but Eccleston in DEATH AND THE COMPAS and REVENGER'S TRAGEDY impressed the hell out of me, and it keeps with Nolan's Anglophile obsession...
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Hey, if Brando can be in Superman Returns, I want Ceasar Romero. Nah, fuck it... Richard D. James as the Joker!!! APHEX ACID! Crazy? "Or am I so sane that you just blew your mind?"
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I still would have liked to have seen Norm MacDonald as the Joker.
http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0120654/1-8.jpg
And as far as Harvey Dent/ Two Face goes...how about Brad Johnson?
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This guy is currently playing the leading role as Macbeth in NY...he has *real chops* unlike many, many others being suggested. He single-handedly made "The Omen" watchable which in itself is quite an accomplishment. He would bring gravitas to Harvey, and would be the best choice for the role out there imo
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if Dent it in this? It would make sense, I suppose, assuming they're building for him to be Two-Face in the third one. Also, since BB had no fewer than 3 major villains, what other faces from Bat's rogues gallery are likely to pop up in the Nolan Bat-verse? Personally I think a rise to power of Oswald Cobblepot as a gangster in place of Falcone could work (Philip Seymour Hoffman, the obvious choice!), and Cillian Murphy should return as Scarecrow, only now even crazier than before for obvious reasons.
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In another instance of life imitating art/art imitating life, Entourage had Heath's man-love Jakie-Boo cast as Aquaman. Now we get Mr. Ledger himself cast as the Joker. Should be interesting.
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otherwise we'd be treated to sickening scenes of Leary banging every hot actress cast in the movie except for Susan Sarandon. *bleck*
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http://tinyurl.com/ejpay
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He should play the joker. I can see it.
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Willam DaFoe would have been excellent as The Joker if they hadn't wasted him on RoboGoblin. Don't get me wrong, he played Norman Osborne to a "t". But his Joker performance would have been definative.
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Come on Nolan! Where's your copy of Bio-Dome, you uninspired hack!
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go see this movie now
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Instead of the monkey in the tux.
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give me danny glover over crispin glover any day as the joker.
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at least we dont have jake Gyllenhaal cast as harlequin- yet.
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I will acknowledge that Schrieber is a seasoned thespian (although he has yet to appear in a truly great film to the best of my recollection), but there's something off-putting about the guy. Like I said, I find him weaselly -- or something. His persona doesn't fit my conceptualization of Harvey Dent, an honest D.A. with integrity and a bit of a suave streak. Schrieber is more weaselly D.A. with a bit of a smarmy streak. But I know he has some serious chops, so I think he would know what he was doing in the role. Again, I would prefer Balthazar Getty. I'll toss him in as another contender too. Joaquin Phoenix, Josh Lucas, Eric Bana; I wouldn't be too unhappy with any of these guys (well, maybe Josh Lucas..) Basically my rule of thumb for Harvey Dent is if the guy would be all wrong for Bruce Wayne then he's not an ideal Harvey. Don't ask me why. The characters are kinda similar in my opinion. Oh and I think Guy Pearce could do crazy Two Face no sweat. I'm gonna repost my Joker choices because no one discussed them with me and now that the talkback has slowed down maybe someone has some input on these guys: Vincent Cassel (been saying this for ages now, needs a voice coach for an American accent but otherwise completely perfect); Viggo Mortensen; Justin Theroux; Christopher Eccleston; Adrian Brody (completely looks the part but can he do intimidating?); Bill Moseley (might be too campy); John Turturro and a few others (Willem Dafoe, too old etc.). Bijou Phillips should play Harley Quinn. Bob Hoskins or David Huddleston (The Big Lebowski) for Penguin. Jeffrey Combs as the Riddler.
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Haven't you heard? Paulie Shore is dead!
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Since we found out Jokes was going to be the villian, I'd say about 76% of us wanted Crispin..but in all honesty, I think Crispin may 'ham' it up a little too much. Yes, the joker is batshitfucknuts, but he does it in a way where he is insane at all times, even in subtle conversation. I really don't think Glover would be able to have a balance, as well as the realism that all the other actors have shown. Tim Roth suckas.
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Guy peirce has the look and the range as a actor and Crispin is just plain crazy dont tell me that does quaalify him because even though nicholson could act noone played carazy motherfuckers like him and the same goes for crispin my only fear with crispin is he would get too into the role and actually kill someone on set.
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eh? EH? Stay with me. Kind of like who framed rodger rabbit, only the joker is the only cartoon. I believe the cartoon Jokes from BTAS is really the only thing that'll do it for me. Better yet, Mark can still do the voice without having to show his like 5756 year old face.
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If you can't see that Ledger is an amazing choice, you're out of your friggin mind. The man is a brilliant actor, and completely in keeping with the kind of quality cast Nolan has attracted for these movies. Does anyone in his right mind actually think Glover has the chops to play opposite Bale and Caine and Oldman? You people campaigning for Glover or Hulme -- ie casting primarily on looks -- are the same people who wanted some 40-year old bodybuilder guy to play Superman. Thank god no one is listening to you. (Wasn't it Harry's idea to train an Olympic swimmer to act for the role of Supes? Too bad Warners ignored that golden advice.) Oh yeah, and The Lady in the Water is the worst shit ever.
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But I did it so screw you.
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that d does not belong, no idea how it got in there. Yeah, i'll be spending some nights in hell for that.
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I totally agree with indiebum. Has anyone seen him in The Constant Gardener? He was born to play the Joker, especially with that creepy smile of his.
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With you 100% on Vincent Cassell. The face that hair he already has the look. Check out Brotherhood of the Wolf and Derailed and you will know he can play a serious villain. Plus he's got the right height and physique that you could see in Ocean's 12. Only stumbling block is the accent. Sounded like he was working on it in Derailed though.
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Seriously.
It doesn't matter that he's older.
They could make him Killing Joke style, where he's failing at life...so why not?
And someone should really photoshop this into the Joker holding a spray can of Joker Toxin:
http://tinyurl.com/cjkum
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But I've always had qualms about the accent as well, that's why I came up with other names for the role. My girlfriend suggested Clive Owen for Two Face last night and after giving it some thought I think she's absolutely right.
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on the Animated Series. Balances the character better than anything in the comics. Intelligent, menacing, unpredictable. It does not need to turn into a gorefest.
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Clive Owen just became my new dream Harvey Dent. Nice call.
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Did anyone see the Brothers Grimm? F***n' Awful. Worst acting ever. He can't play crazy. He can't even play smart. Could'nt understand a thing he said in Brokeback. And the fight scenes in Batman Begins sucked so bad. All I could see was someones elbow and what could've been a knee. Does anyone know how to start a poll against Ledger before they actually make the movie and destroy it for everyone? We don't want this turning into a bloody Joel Schumacher film do we? And don't you think we should tell Nolan about those eppeleptic fit inducing fight scenes?
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Where is moviemack?? Shouldnt he be here by now telling us why this movie is going to suck even worse than begins????
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Jul 22, 2008 3:00:10 PM CDT
I Love It When People Succeed After Everyone Said They Would Fai
by the artful jester
Thank you, BrightEyes for being the fist to comment on this. I, for one, completely agree with you. I never questioned Nolan's casting decision on this and I am ecstatic to see how AMAZING Ledger was in this role... almost as ecstatic as I am to watch the previous naysayers bury their heads in shame!
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