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Is Abe Sapien The Silver Surfer?!
Hi, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab...
According to someone who wrote to us tonight, he is. Seems that the convention booker for Doug Jones (Abe Sapien in HELLBOY) is telling people that Doug’s going to be giving the motion-capture performance as The Silver Surfer for the FANTASTIC FOUR sequel Fox is gearing up on right now. If true, that’s actually pretty damn good casting. His work in PAN’S LABYRINTH as the monsters is amazing, and I’m sure he’ll give the Surfer the otherworldly quality he needs. Maybe they’ll confirm or deny this one at ComicCon next week.
Thanks for the tip, Zartan The Enemy!
"Moriarty" out.
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The T1000 is.
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I've never seen him out of makeup, but he gave Abe an ethereal glint that really made the character.
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Wouldn't matter who played this role, this movie is surrounded by a sub-par production team and cast.
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Hoo Rah for movement actors!
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Check out the brand new Snakes on a Motherfucking Plane trailer !!! It will knock your socks off !!
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Always loved the Silver Surfer/ Galactus arc - was one of the first comics I ever read - along with X-men Origins. Hope they can make the FF a little more interesting than in that shitty excuse of a first film.....They will probably have the the Silver Surfer be like a real surfer-dude....shaggy hair...smokin weed.....always waxin his board and hangin out at the beach...
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cause that would be frikkin awesome ....
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FANTASTIC FOUR was awful. You really think the second is going to be better?? The silver surfer. In a "realistically set" Fantastic Four storyline. Directed by Tim Story. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
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Natalie Portman was unavailable.
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Thought for a moment david hyde pierce was playing the silver surfer. Can't quite imagine niles crane being the herald of galacticus although maybe they could get kelsey krammer to play galacticus add an extra dimension to the sibling rivalry.
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I believe that was his actual voice used in X-Men. I've seen him in interviews and he sounds exactly the same.... You may have mistaken X-Men with Star Wars - Episode I: The Phantom Menace, when he played Darth Maul, but was dubbed by Shaun's roommate from Shaun of the Dead.
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Fantastic Four sucked, so why would I believe anything other than this one sucking as hard? They told everybody they were big FF fans, yet, paid no respect at all for , possibly, the greatest comic villian of all time. They rushed production, way too fast, they miscast certain roles, the editing was weak, the script was weak, the direction, especially action scenes was weak....I could go on...but why bother. I'll pass this time, Fox.
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The one thing I'll give credit to FF for doing right is not wasting my fucking time getting into the superhero aspect of the characters. Nearly every comic movie has done something wrong with the source material even Spiderman and Superman but I guess because this and other sites don't tell you to hate those, you take it out on FF.
As for Ray Park, it was his real voice in XMEN. He was dubbed for ep1 because they couldn't have Darth Maul sounding like a sissy. -
That classic moment from the first film was right out of the pages of the Lee/Kirby epics---NOT! Even Reed Richards could wipe the sh*t that was Tim Story's film out of his cinematic ass. Whatever the hell that means. Oh yeah, FF sucked.
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here is a cool 2 minute GALACTUS movie: Http://www.theblackdiamondeffect.com/Galactus.mov
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he was the voice of abe sapien in hellboy. yeah, i don't see him as the silver surfer, he was good on frasier though.
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That, to me, is a real low point for Marvel movies. At least FF was kinda fun, Elektra was just bad. I love Marvel comic characters, Spiderman always being my favorite, so I'd really like to see FF & the Silver Surfer do well. I also pray Ghost Rider will be good, we know Spidey 3 will be good. And please don't let them f up Iron Man...
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existed. Why?
I like going to the movies as my parents did. I have seen more films than icare to remember from the time i was child right through up today. Movies are there to be enjoyed. some are awful and I have seen films that you have never have heard of, that are just awful. OK, you say name two, Morons from outer space is one and the navigator is the other. Morons from outer space stars Smith and Jones and has something to do with outer space. The navigator is from New zealand and is easily is one of the most boring that I have ever seen. Yet this film was every major critics list of the top ten movies at the time of its release. I agree there are major faults in every film if you look for them. Like Jarhead, i got through the first hour of that and didnt bother with the rest of it. It looked great in places. all films have there strenghts and weakness. I liked fantastic four. It was a fun film. sometimes you have to go into film not knowing what to expect. With Fantastic four and catwoman, I thought are these a catastrophic right off. if you are like comic book guy in the simpsons then yes of course they are. I for one thought FF was a light, breezy summer film, nothing more and nothing less. I have read all 5 harry potter books and now on 6. There are things they had to leave out becuase a lot of her books are padded. But they are visually very good. Sometimes the way this site moans about films is both annoying and irritating. If you are going to criticise films at least put some thought into. dont say things like it sucks or it sucks balls or this going to bomb. that is not criticism thats being stupid. dont presume that a film will fail on the back of teaser trailers becuase more people than talkbackers will be going to see a film or films. Something like batman and robin stinks and i know sat through it. but looking at it now it is hilarious. batman and robin works as a comedy. Worldwide all four batman movies grossed something in the region 320,000,000 and that was before batman begins. IN conclusion, batman, superman, ff are BRANDS and they are successfull Brands. These are known brands and they will comic book guy aside, pull people into theatres. fans will be fans and they will have their views, but hollywood does not make 150,000,000 dollar for just the fans , hollywood makes movies for the massses, no matter how good or bad the film. bad films always fall be the wayside. -
Those tossed salads and scrambled eggs are calling again.
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Why waste time with an FF sequel, we need a big budget Silver Surfer movie. Just imagine how surreal it would be to see that character up on the big screen... and if done right, it could make millions.
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Have him do his "Green Mile" voice.
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No matter what happens, this movie's going to suck. The first one may as well have cut off Doom's balls onscreen. Tim Story should never have been enlisted to direct it. The only decent cast member was Michael Chiklis. The plot and special effects were garbage. The only way I could get excited about a new FF movie is if they recast the whole thing, hired Sam Raimi, and started from scratch, actually making Doom scary rather than a whiny little corporate bitch . . . ugh that whole production pissed me off. This will only be good if Galactus shows up five minutes in and eats all the other characters and sends us on our way.
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Jul 16, 2006 11:28:09 AM CDT
Agree with the hatred for the first Craptastic Bore.
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I doubt this will be any better. Tim Story should go back to Barbershop.
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after gastro bypass of course. now she just munches on moons and asteroid belts.
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I can't imagine them doing the coming of Galactus storyline justice.It will get fucked up just like Dark Phoenix Saga was fucked up in X3 anyone who has read the DPS knows how terrible the movie was from that aspect.
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Every non comic book incarnation of the surfer always wants him to be so alien and weird , other worldly which he should be to a degree I for one was not a big fan of the Kirby Surfer even though he created him lol. I don't think it really sold that well back then. I was a huge fan of the Starlin/Ron Lim Surfer of the late 80's & 90's I think it was a much more popular run but comics in general were alot more popular then as well. The Surfer is one of my alltime favorite characters this could be the his only chance for the big screen. Surfer would be a great origin story as well.
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any invisionment of the Silver Surfer would be completely underwhelming. And with only $120 million dollar budget for FF2, you can count on it sucking. Hell, the Surfer probably won't look as good as the Queen Naboo's spacecraft. Who knows how they'll f*ck up Galactus?!
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It's motion capture, who cares who the actor is?
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but I hate to see it done on the cheap by such a poor director.
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The "One Fish Two Fish Red Fish Blue Fish" audiobook, now available on iTunes. Is there anything the man can't do?
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I am...the herald of .... Galactus... HA!
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...people weren't wondering "what the fuck is a Darth Vader?," "what the fuck is a lightsaber?," etc. because they knew they were watching an exciting, imaginative, well-made film... they didn't need to know anything more. The major strength of fantasy/sci-fi is that it transports you to a world where things aren't always familiar, where anything can happen... the Silver Surfer has that kind of potential, and in the right hands, yes, the story could spawn a cult on the level of Star Wars. Granted, it won't happen in the hands of Tim Story or in the context of this sequel, but I always thought SS had limitless potential for a film. Also, R.C. the Wise, I was just about to suggest James Cameron as director... he would be perfect. If he's looking for another comic adaptation, SS would suit him well.
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Not really. It's in appearance only. He's like Siddhartha, wandering looking for the meaning of his existence. This character, if done well, is a wonderful philosophical piece about the nature of free will. So of course that won't happen. Making him a wierdo is the wrong way to go. They will break down the character to something meaningless in an attempt to make him alien. The Hellboy film RUINED Abe Sapien, by the way. He was Murtaugh to Hellboy's Riggs, not some psi op freak. Hellboy should've been a buddy film. However, Hellboy himself was handled perfectly.
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Shakespeare, or comic books. Star Wars is incredibly familiar. The only things "alien" about that movie are the sets and costumes.
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Sorry, Chief Redcock, but people are just too saturated with spectacle these days and there are too many other big movies competing for their hard-earned cash. A Silver Surfer film could somehow capture people's attention, but it's very unlikely. And this is coming from someone who thinks that the Silver Surfer could probably use his own film (as far as comic book characters go). Now if he were a low-budget character like the Punisher, whether or not people gave a shit about him really wouldn't matter, but... space, silver, cosmic battles, etc.
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The first FF movie was dumb but fun. It didn't take itself very seriously so I didn't either, and that turned out to be a good thing. The movie was pure dumb fun, no more and no less. Now add Galactus to that equation and this film will be a pure popcorn hoot. There's nothing wrong with that IMHO. I'm in.
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at least be looking forward to the possibility of something to hate more than Batman Begins ;). You are the last one who should be worrying about the audience thinking "What is a Galactus or Silver Surfer?". Wasn't one of your complains of Batman Begins that they had to overexplain everything about Batman to make it fit into their realism? Story doesn't have an enormous amount of imagination, so you are probably right this will not work, but at least it's ambitious. Unlike, say, Superman saving a plane.
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No one is opposed to spectacle. Just spectacle for spectacle's sake. Empty spectacle. People ate up POTC2. Superman, on the other hand... The Harry Potter films are full of spectacle. But they enhance the story and you care about the characters. If they get the character right, people will love the Silver Surfer. I thought Story got the characterization of the 4 right in the first film, but Dr. Doom was such an enormous misfire that I doubt he'll get the Surfer right.
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and one of them says "cowabunga" or some shit whenever they see Silver Surfer fly through the air. You fucking know this will happen. The first film had Johnny standing in front of a "Flame Broiled Whopper" sign. And they had that dalmation cover it's eyes when the firetruck went over the bridge. Didn't they have Alicia look up at the sky at the number 4 Johnny made? Make no mistake, this movie will suck and Galactus and Silver surfer will be severly mishandled. I hope, I really hope I am wrong, but I doubt it with the same people behind who did the first.
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I never said anyone is opposed to spectacle. I just said that there's probably too much of it going around these days for the Silver Surfer to capture people's attention the same way the original Star Wars did.
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He eats galaxies for lunch
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I think there are other properties that could make SW numbers, but only if they are as ambitious as SW was. Lucas took a chance making that movie. Lots of people made fun of it. However, it captured the imagination. That's really the key - how do you tap into that? Harry Potter has the potential to be comparable. In terms of comic books, are you saying that Batman/Supes/Spider-Man are the template from which the other characters emerge? I think a Green Lantern Corps. movie could approach SW territory if done right. I'm also waiting for my Flash Gordon movie done Sky Captain style.
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All I'm saying is that people are waiting for spectacle+meaning. They will shell out tons of money for that. There will never be too much of it.
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completely mishandled by Wheedon, most likely. He'll Buffyize it and has already admitted he is having trouble "getting" the character. If you've ever read the Wolfman/Perez Wonder Woman reboot, it doesn't get much more epic than that. It is an interesting merging of Western themes with Greek mythology on the surface in the same way Star Wars was with West and East.
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Unless they make the whole SS/Galactus story line span at LEAST 2 movies this won't work at all. The first film took no time at all developing Doom as a character, this one will likely do the same. What better character to throw in a movie so you can sell more action figures though? He's shiny and likes extreme sports! They will probably have an "extreme" montage in the film to use as a commerical for the toys. The first one had it's moments but overall it was ugly.
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I'm gonna argue that there's at least on comic book property out there that, if handled well, could dwarf any other. WATCHMEN. The single best graphic novel ever written. Oh, and Batman Begins is the only *real Batman movie ever made (ie the only one to capture the spirit of the comics).
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So does this mean the guy who did the voice for Abe will also be Silver Surfer? God I hope so. I want this movie to suck.
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HBO original series. Then they could branch into a movie after all the setup is established on the show, because it's written effectively as a serial. Green Lantern Corps. IS just sci-fi in tights. How is it any different from SW, though? Take Vader out of context, and he looks a little silly. The problem is that, with rare exception, Hollywood thinks comic books are not as complex nor have real depth. They are modern mythology, not just soap operas in tights.
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looking forward to it. In fact, I really dislike what it did to comic books in general, just like Miller's Batman. Understanding that it did make a contribution, is great writing, etc. Alan Moore more than made up for it with ABC.
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What do you mean by "decent" Batman then? Year One is one of the best Batman tales ever, and "Begins" takes not just a few scenes from it, but the themes of fear and despair that make it such a gripping read. Batman's at his best when he's facing down his own inner demons rather than when the focus is on the crazies he's battling (see please, the first 4 Batman flicks). A recent example of this would be Batman and the Monster Men, in which Batman faces down his first superhumans, as well as facing the fact that his is a war he probably won't win. Batman Begins was a movie that dealt expertly with the inner psyche of Bruce Wayne and why he became Batman.
As for your theories on Watchmen, well they're just plain old wrong. Watchmen became a classic because it was so of its time: a plot for world peace in a time of international turmoil? How far would we go to secure that peace? Way I see it, that particular little aspect of the story is even more relevant these days and more than enough to capture a public's imagination and be a successful movie. Watchmen was the first comic book I ever read, and it remains my favorite to this very day. I wasn't a comic book fan when I first read it, and I enjoyed it just as much as anyone else. -
to get there money back on this bucket of monkey spunk that is FFINO2. I'm looking for Catwoman like numbers now that the realization of just what Tim Fucktwit Story put up on screen. This fucker doesn't deserve to direct Douchebag commercials let alone a movie about the FF. Fuck Fox, Tim Story, and while we're at it Bryan Singer for fucking up something so damn idiot proof you'd have to have an IQ below 50 to do it.
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I have absolutely no concept of how anyone could make such a claim after what Bryan Shithead did with the X-Men. Do I really need to go into the details of how he completely improperly adapted nearly every single character given the source material? Wolverine is a 30-something 6-foot chick magnet, Rogue is a flightless, weak, screaming little girl, Nightcrawler is a self-mutilating introvert, Mystique is a silent, brainless bodyguard who can't recognize her own son, Jean Grey can't wait to hop out of Cyke's bed, Cyke himself has zero balls and no leadership skills, and Magneto is a frail old man. I could continue. Meanwhile, an ethnic variation for Sue and a poorly handled villain origin are all it takes to blast Story's FF flick. Doesn't matter that the boilerplate is 100% THERE for Doom to become the Doom we'd all recognize, which is a similar luxury that can't possibly be afforded to Singer's X-Men, given his "creative license". I just don't get it.
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Jul 16, 2006 4:49:51 PM CDT
The general public didn't know Blade before the movie..
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But it fit in to what people expect from a movie hero. So much of action movies has been derived from comics that it should be easy for characters that aren't as well know as Superman, Spider-Man, and Batman could get a crack. Hell, and interests for those characters likely comes from seeing them in different adaptations (60's Batman, Superfriends, Donner film, Spidey cartoons) when they wee kids. Fuck, Plastic Man could be huge if they handled it the right way.
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Would the public have bought a Blade that weilded a plasma sword? Or a bike the can ride up the certical length of a building? Prolly not... but we'll find out once Ghost Rider hits! Back to subject, changes are inevitable in any adaptation. It just pisses me off when some properties have few changes (FF) and others are 97.5% changed (X-Men). Don't like the story, soundtrack, score, camera angles, etc. etc? Fine. But if the only complaint someone has is how a character was handled, well, FF made *WAY* fewer sins than the X-Men series.
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the fact that Doom absolutely sucked in the FF. I don't care if he ever gets around to Latveria at this point, and that actor is B-list all the way. Doom is difficult to paint without getting too cartoonish, but how does that bode for an even more subtle character like the Silver Surfer? Not well, that's how. As for the X-Men, I thought they stuck pretty well to various incarnations of the characters. But that was because of DeSanto, not Singer.
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So uhh... this IS a Fantastic Four TalkBack, right? We get that you hate the X-Men.
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The man-in-suit Thing and Johnny are perfectly cast. I like Alba's sweetness and can buy her as Sue. Reed is the weak link, but he is kind of a boring guy in the comic books, so maybe he can step it up a bit in the sequel and demonstrate more of an air of authority. He was too timid in this film.
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of seing Batman for the villains, not for the Batman. Since they almost always outshined him. Begins focused entirely on Batman, so maybe that didn't play as well. Also, the realism angle is not what people go see a superhero film for. I wonder if they will go the horror route with the Joker a la The Killing Joke. If so, I'm not interested.
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but the dock scene in Begins plays out almost exactly like the one in Year One (albeit with different motivations/villains) and the sonic emitter scene is taken directly from the book, too. just wanted to get that straight.
anyways, a movie doesn't have to do star wars box office to be good or successful. v for vendetta, for instance, did decent numbers for a march movie and was actually a pretty good/daring flick (although departed from the source a bit much for my taste in the endgame). how much of the general public you suppose had any idea who V was before the movie hit? now though, i know many people who know nothing about comics who count v for vendetta as their fave movie of the year so far. if that's not "capturing the public's imagination" then what is? -
The first movie was the biggest waste of money since all those companies bush messed up before becoming president. Fantastic Four 2 has to be sooooo cool it hurts.
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It did exceptionally well when it debuted and has had nearly 30 years of showing up in almost any printable, visible or listenable form. We see that Pirates of the Caribbean 2 has had the biggest weekend eve and where was the intrest prior to the first movie? Esp. since it was based on a amusement park ride? I'm saying that, if handled properly, any comic book hero/series could be the next huge thing. Entourage's parallel world in which Aquaman is a huge hit doesn't seem too unbelievable.
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take on Batman. More a romantic myth than a realistic vigilante. I like the film, but I do agree with you that regarded purely as a Batman film it is questionable. Although, not nearly as egregious as Superman Returns for me because it did not completely undermine the character the way that film did.
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they would just make it like Flash Gordon under the ocean. Lobstermen Tribes and guys with Shark Heads? Evil mermaid warriors? I'm so there. However, it will probably be like Days of Our Lives under the ocean, with a little Titanic thrown in. 2/3 of it will be told on land. And he will probably have a "funny" fish sidekick like the Little Mermaid.
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you didnt like the movie, i get it. just wanted to set it straight that there was more than names and few lines of dialogue taken from Year One for Begins. that is all. youre boring me now . . .
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there is nothing moviemack hates more than Batman Begins. I say that without irony.
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Can nothing be used for comparison? A barometer of sorts? There is much hatered on AICN for Hulk, Daredevil (director's), and FF. And mostly all of that hatred stems from an alleged departure from the source material when they were among the truest adaptations. Meanwhile, Bryan Shithead is lauded for remaining true to source material, which is unfounded given even the few reasons I offered. There is shame in exposing the fallicy in that? Why? If you've grown tired of reading my previous TB posts along this vein, fine, I can understand that. Skip on down past mine. Your personal experience may not be the middle ground where other TB posters are concerned. Please. Of all folks, you are one of the few folks here with a civil head.
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"What's that Stingy? Shark Shamen are have kidnapped my cousin, the Duke of the Deep?" Shit, this movie writes itself...
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Now all we need is a good story. Aquaman could take it up a notch and give it a sci-fi edge. It is Flash Gordon underwater, by way of Conan the barbarian. This time, the Sharkmen really could have friggin' laser beams. Surely, your imagination isn't that shallow, dude. Aquaman should have absolutely NO realism, and nothing to do with the boring surface world. It's like the Potter films. King of Atlantis dies, Aquaman is the half-human heir to the throne, has to prove his mettle, etc.
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I left the theater having seen X1 and thought I loved it. Then I saw it again. Given the feel, it's a SciFi channel movie at best. Plus, none of the characters were adapted properly except Xavier. *NONE* of them. Alterations are to be expected in adaptations, however, the subtle changes were all the more noticeable given the gross departures of the rest. X2 was the saving grace that made me realize that although I wasn't getting a pure adaptation, I was getting something that could stand its own ground as its own meaningful adaptation. Example: I'm a Hulk fan, bigtime. Even as a kid, I hated Ferrigno's Hulk. Sucker couldn't jump and he wasn't bulletproof either. However, there's no denying that the TV Hulk earned its place as a meaningful adaptation, worthy in its own right. This brought me an appreciation for Singer's adaptations as the decent films they were, despite being nothing like the source material they were based on. Back to FF, again, an ethnic variation and a mishandled villain origin are all that marred FF1. If you're so uptight about how Doom was handled, wait for the next time he's used in an FF film as I waited for X2. Perhaps you'll be satisfied. At least there's promise of a proper Doom in the movies. There's no hope for a 5-foot 60-something Logan, a headstrong, flying Rogue, an extroverted catholic Nightcrawler, an independant Mystique, a living Cyke, etc.
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Not just mishandled. He had no characterization and was just about as thinly drawn as you get. They should've just left the villain out of the origin film, and it would've been a better movie. That actor is B-list. Doom does not accept this metrosexual depiction of Doom! Point taken about X-Men. But you are barking up the wrong tree as I really liked everything about FF (including Alba as Sue) except Doom.
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Doom as the dictator of Latveria. Greatest supervillain of all time? Tossed. Marvel opened up that door and Story just walked through it. So really, I blame Marvel for this. And I hate what Marvel is doing to their characters, generally speaking. The Silver Surfer, except for his appearance, will probably be UNRECOGNIZABLE to fans of the character once he makes it to the screen.
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Again, movie Doom can still be the comic Doom in the next movie he's used. Movie Wolverine can't grow into comic Wolverine unless he returns 30 years from now after having lived on Jupiter.
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That is the only reason the X-Men films are watchable. They are really his story. Which kind of makes a Wolverine movie redundant.
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movie with Djimon Hounsou as T'Challa?
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Hounsou would be fantastic! Given hollowood, I've suspected it would eventually go to Omar Epps or someone else in the cosmetic 90210 area code. Hounsou is certainly the real deal. Pissed for not thinking of it myself, in fact! Snipe's Amen Ra should have delivered something way before now. They've been sitting on this property for around 10 years.
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Got Dayum. Superninja, that is sum perfect casting. Amazing. I never saw it until now.
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...and I really don't care what moviemack has to say about the subject, but IMO, a James Cameron-directed Silver Surfer film would be very worthwhile, and with JC and significant star power behind it, could rake in a pretty penny and generate some serious buzz. I'm gonna stand by that claim. About Batman: I'm one of the few fanboys who supports moviemack on this. I was disappointed by Nolan's Batman the first time I saw it, and though I've come to appreciate it with repeated viewings, it does not hold a candle to the first two Burton films. My main qualm with the film: it lacks atmosphere. The screenplay is actually pretty good, an intelligent examination of Bruce Wayne's relationship to fear, but Nolan makes the film feel too conventional tonally and visually... it feels like it could be any movie, only this one has a guy running around in a bat costume. With the first two Burton films, I don't care what anyone says, when they start rolling, you enter a completely different world... one that feels more like a dream or a nightmare than reality. That's how the best Batman stories always feel, and Nolan's ultra realistic take doesn't capture it at all. There's none of the pathos, the emotion, the angst, the sense of high opera that makes Batman Batman. His take is interesting, but it will never be definitive for these reasons. This could change with the sequel, who knows... but I think Nolan needs to stop talking to Denny O'Neal and move more in the Frank Miller direction...
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I blame the vanity of the actor for that. I give you Spidey 2 -- no one on that train had a cameraphone? Another convenience for the audience to take notice of just who is playing the character. I grant you that it'll be very telling in the sequel if the same trick is played. My bets are on a fleshy Chiklis via backflash or dream sequence where he imagines himself with Alicia 'in the flesh' as it were. "With the money the FF has" Hold on there. Reed had often sought contracts to avoid going into debt on the BB lease. For movie puposes, we're led to believe that they're well in the red. But, yes, the bridge scene was wasted because of Sue. It would have held way more impact had the disclothing been omitted.
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they got the four themselves mostly right and fouled up Doom and basically stole Spider-Man 1's plot for Doom.
action was mediocre, jessica alba in bra & panties was nice, michael chiklis is a good actor and yea thats about it.
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I finally saw FF recently also (Saturday) and basically left any prejudice at the door. Overall I think the film was mediocre. I respect that they tried to be different and went for the "fun" route over the "dark" route. However I feel that they missed out the depth. The film just felt so lightweight. The final battle felt like a mid movie battle. Things I did like: Thing and Torch's interaction. Alba in underwear. Torch FX. Torch's hot nurse Maria Menounos. - People are probably gonna say "It was fun and entertaining" "it was a popcorn flick, switch your brain off" "oh you were just expecting a Spiderman/X-Men type film!" Well I wasn't expecting that and was still left disappointed. Also the film feels like it will get dated pretty bad! Darn product placement! Mediocre all the way, but I don't hate it!
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and does not work enough (probably because of his accent). Better than one-note Wesley, anyway. But I bet Snipes would never let someone else play that part. Originally, I thought that an adaptation of Priest's Panther relaunch would be great. But in retrospect, I don't know that it needs to be that cynical.
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I never really even thought about that. I just kind of assumed that the FF coexist in the same universe and city as Spidey. Just like in the comic books. Took it for granted, I guess.
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European actor, and instead they hire the Nip and Tuck guy playing...his character on Nip and Tuck! Brilliant. Maybe they can hire Matt LeBlanc to play the Silver Surfer?
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Of course, they will have to write Maguire's Spidey as FUNNY for a change. Chris Evans has it down cold. Maguire is a funny guy. His sense of humor is just underused in the Spidey franchise.
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On tonight's epic episode of MINORITEAM on Cartoon Network, entitled "BEHOLD BALACTICUS". (Repeats at 4am / 3am CST.) It's like drunk Jack Kirby on mescaline!
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Sorry, I'm just too giddy with glee. You haven't lived until you've heard Michael Clarke Duncan bellow, "Silence, there are worlds to destroy!" BEHOLD BALACTUS!!!
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"Big Balactus with the stuff!" Behold Balactus at... http://www.adultswim.com/adultswimfix/index.jsp
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He's awesome on screen and off!
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is what I would have put in the subject box of that last post, if I could turn back time
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I agree, a sequel isn't needed at all. Lets just wait 20 years and have someone else "reinvision" the whole thing. The FF franchise is extremely marketable as a family oriented property and Marvel knows it. Parents can take their kids on the weekend then go buy up the action figures, lunch boxes, t-shirts and (my favorite) Fantastic Four THE FLAME THROWER!!!
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Keanu Reeves for Silver Surfer! He's perfect; otherwordly acting, right physique. Silver Surfer should get his own movie, though - none of this Fantastic Four 2 crap.
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Never seen it, big comic fan, should I?
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Was he also the scriptwriter? Or did he even have final script approval? I thought he was just hired to direct the thing, and he did a competent job of it. Why is the director always blamed for everything? Same thing with Ratner, I though X-3 was really well shot, and while there was a lot of LOL wirework, it was better than any of the action scenes or wirework Singer ever shot.
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Just as long as they don't fuck up the Fantasticar, I won't feel totally let down...oh, but Grimm better have the eyebrows this time...damnit!
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I really hated the movie when I saw it in the theatre. I had a visceral hatred of the portrayal of the Doom character, and that ruined the whole movie for me. I recently took the movie out of my library on DVD and watched it again on a slow evening, and realized that if they had either cut Doom out or had done the character even half-way right, the movie would have been much, much better. What I realized in review is that the FF was done reasonably well, and it was mainly the piss-poor excuse for Doom which really screwed the movie up for me. If you take the FF characters in the movie itself apart from Doom, there is a bit of fun and accuracy in their relationships. In sum, this could have been a much better movie if they had done Doctor Doom right. The Fantastic Four themselves were not so bad, but I could not see that so much on my first viewing because I was frankly so aggravated by the whiny bitch excuse for Doom up on the screen. To me, Doctor Doom is one of the great villains of all comic fiction, and I was really offended by what they did to the character in the movie. I am reluctant to see a sequel for this reason, as I do not really trust the filmmaker's judgement, but I am more appreciative of the efforts of the actors who played the FF after watching the video, and so might consider seeing a sequel if fan reviews are positive.
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Thank goodness that's not the case. Not that it matters, chances of me seeing this movie are slim to none.
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I hate to open a can of worms, but one of the reasons you seem not to like BATMAN BEGINS is that Wayne/Batman is kind of weaker and less confident than you want Batman to be. I would point out that this is a "re-boot" origin story about a young Bruce Wayne just tentatively starting to become Batman, and so we can not expect him to be the brilliant, confident, battle-scarred veteran that he is often portrayed as int he comics. So, as a young guy starting out, he is not going to be as formidable. I think this adds a feeling of reality that is part of the total effect that Nolan was going for. *****I haven't read any of your other posts in any other talkbacks regarding this, but I was just curious as to how someone could dislike BATMAN BEGINS intensely, as you seem to indicate that you do. I personally liked it a lot. I grew up on comics, and feel that the grittier, more realistic edge that BATMAN BEGINS had was more appealing to me personally than the more cartoonish Burton films. I like fantastical films as much as the next guy, but I really liked how Nolan created the feeling that Batman could really exist. I think he intends to ratchet up the weirdness and the fantastical elements in the upcoming sequels, as well as improve Batman's competency, skills, and level of experience. This is all in keeping with the Batman: Year One tone he has gone for, which some people do not seem to like, but which I think is really quite good, and makes a really effective approach to a superhero that is more based in real world physics than many others. Anyway, just some observations and opinions. Sorry you didn't like the film. For me, I think it is a great foundation for the character and for the development of a strong superhero film franchise.
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They'll fuck up the FF sequel too. Here are my predictions (they will undoubtably come true): 1. The Silver Surfer will not be silver the entire time. They'll have him switch back and forth between The Silver Surfer and Norrin Radd to keep the budget down. 2. The Silver Surfer WILL NOT HAVE a surfboard. He'll be like the Ultimate version and have wings or something equally retarded. 3. Galactus WILL NOT BE a giant guy hovering in the sky. He will be a sentient computer virus or other such nonsense (y'know, for "realism").------->So there you have it. Those are only some of the ways that they'll fuck it up.
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Batman Begins totally fucking sucks. Period. Deal with it.
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i dont know how any of you guys even like any movies. they all suck it seems like. oh and batman begins was fucking awesome. dont see how that could even possibly begin to suck. besides from katie holmes character.
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Batman Begins sucked for far too many reasons to mention here. The biggest ones probably being the awful script, the sub-par acting, and the boring look of the film--combined with the fact that it bears virtually no resemblance to any of the 70 years of established Batman continuity.
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The movie was clearly influenced by Miller's Batman: Year One. I do not see that it has really deviated from comics continuity at all, and I have been reading comics since I was a kid in the 70s. What are the continuity flaws? Bruce Wayne's parents are murdered, Bruce struggles to find a way to get revenge, ends up going East and traveling the world to gain training to fight crime, comes back to Gotham to begin his war on crime, is assisted by his loyal butler Alfred, recruits the one good cop (Gordon) as an ally, and so on. All of this is standard Batman continuity. Again, how can one say that it "bears virtually no resemblance to any of the established Batman continuity"? It is all pretty standard Batman origin stuff.*****Also, saying a script is awful is not an argument: why was it awful? As far as the acting goes, I think that most of it was fine, and mostly a definite improvement upon the previous Batman movies. *****As far as the look of the film goes, I think the director's attempt at realism has thrown some people, which I suppose I can understand. Still, some of the city-scapes were quite extraordinary, such as the long shots of the Narrows, the shot of Batman standing atop the gargoyles overlooking Gotham, etc. The Batcave, Arkham, Ras Al-Ghul's mountain stronghold were all perfectly cool sets. What would you prefer? Something more four color? Nolan was obviously going for a more realistic vibe, and again, I think that this put off some people who were expecting a more fantastical approach. I guess that I can understand this objection a bit. I think that Nolan wanted to establish a realistic baseline for Batman, Gotham, and the comic book world in the first movie. I think that his intention might be to make things more and more fantastical as Batman's war escalates and he encounters weirder and weirder villains (as implied by Batman's conversation with Gordon at the end of the movie).*****Anyway, I liked the movie for its Year One type of approach, and hope to see Nolan and company ratchet up the stakes for the next movie. Sorry to those who did not like the film. I am willing to get into reasonable discusions about it.
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with Reed, Sue and the Silver Surfer was a joke? I hope. I really hope. I still think Alba is totally wrong for Sue Storm. I have no problem with the other actors as long as they're given a decent script. And Doom has to be changed. You don't even need the NiPTuck guy anymore. He's in a mask now. Give him an actual menacing voice. Make him actually threatening. And I think the Ultimate SS would be really cool, with him emerging out of the surfboard. And the Ultimate version of Galactus as a collective intelligence (not like the Borg, though) would be much less silly than a giant in a silly hat and a big G on his belt. Anyway, if you want to tell him what you think, go to Tim Story's MySpace site where he's discussing the film. Maybe if they are intelligent suggestions and not insults, he might actually listen. But please, no more BK product placement and stupid jokes and toilet paper gags. Oh yeah, and make it so it doesn't suck. Oh and last word on Batman Begins. Best screen Batman ever. Period. Now, move on.
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who couldn't enjoy Batman Begins are just missing out. All my comic geek friends and I loved it, all my friends who don't know shit about Batman loved it. The only problem I had with the whole thing was that Katie Holmes was miscast, but I even got over that after repeated viewings. The film is truer to the tone of the Batman comics than any of the other movies, and much truer to the character of a young Bruce Wayne than the othes, too.
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I think at one point in FF continuity, there WAS some sort of romantic connection between the Surfer and Sue (not as famous as the Sub-Mariner/Namor and Sue romantic sub-plot, of course). It seems every dude wants to shag Sue. But, I must agree with you and hope they do not include such a wayward and annoying sub-plot in this movie. Good call on the whole Doctor Doom problem. Treat him like Darth Vader (a character rumored to have been inspired by Dr. Doom): get a great voice actor to do the voice, and have someone with the right build just wear a mask and be the physical presence of Doom. Finally, I also agree with you on BATMAN BEGINS. In my previous posts I was just trying to be diplomatic with those who don't like the movie. Partly it is just curiosity, because I can not fathom the mind of someone who refuses to like BATMAN BEGINS. How does such a mind work? BATMAN BEGINS is quite obviously the best screen Batman ever, yet some do not see it this way. Perhaps it is futile to ask, but I just wonder why and how they do not see it this way. Anyway, I am very much looking forward to Nolan's next Batman flick. They can not make it soon enough for me.
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Jul 17, 2006 11:35:25 AM CDT
A real, Cameron directed Aquaman film would be gigantic
by r.c. the "wise"
maybe not Star Wars phenomenon big, but it really would make Spider-Man I #'s. And it has nothing to do with the popularity of the character. It would have everything to do with the visual and visceral assault Cameron would bring to the audience. We've seen dozens of out of space epics (most are awful: i.e. Wing Commander some excuted well: i.e. Even numbered Star Trek films) but only Cameron can truly capture the majesty of the ocean and all the underwater immenities with such an ecosystem. It truly would be an event movie. {Ok, I step of my soap box praising the glory of Cameron's spectacle abilities). But I will say that if a big studio would back a Cameron directed adaptation of properties like Aquaman, Akira, Metal Gear Solid, or James Bond...it would be a collossal film.
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...wants is a Power Man/Iron Fist Movie.With a CGI soda machine that never works for Cage. Christmas!!!
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I'm sorry...I had to. Shoot me
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If I ever see Luke Cage on screen, it'll be the Murder-Death-Kill spree of the millenium...AND FIRST!
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are about to die again. There is a really negative trend happening here. Avi Arad is going to blow his load and put out as many shitty movies as possible. FF2 will bomb, Ghostboy will bomb, A Hulk remake will bomb. Superman Returns is a disappointment. They may not make a sequel. Thanks for making him a big pussy Bryan Singer!********** I liked the fist two Spidermans but I can't sit through another two hours of Peter Parker and his mixed feelings. He better start having fun being Spiderman and he better be getting BJs by snaggletoothed MJ. ************ You guys are nuts putting down Batman Begins. It was a great origin story and they can now amp it up with The Joker. This time he better be a lean, mean, young actor and not a fat middle aged Jack Nicholson type.
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that'll certainly fuck with the audience's heads and old school FF comic fans who read the original arc by Stan Lee.
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Watch Mystery Men. He has a VERY brief part as "Pencilhead" at the superhero recruitment BBQ.
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That's a rather far overly pessimistic view. I agree comics-based film is taking a huge beating lately due to some very weak and unusual choices. Some being the same choices which caused the entire Batman series of films to sink. (No alter ego is safe - just look for the big name actor in the crowd! It works out FAR better when unknowns or virtually unknowns are cast.) But I would say comics-based film is FAR from dying. If you want action, don't watch Spiderman. Spiderman isn't an action comic - it's a human story with action. It always has been, it always will be, and if they change that formula to what YOU want, it WILL die. Spiderman 3 is going to absolutely ROCK and I predict will cause Spidey to reclaim the throne in opening weekend sales. HULK 2 isn't even in PRE-production yet, so don't EVEN start grumbling about that. Yes, there are MANY incredibly STUPID ideas being considered for the sequel but that doesn't mean they're being SERIOUSLY considered. FF sucked balls but look at the previous attempts at a FF movie and tell me they even come close. It may take another 5 attempts but they'll get it eventually. LOL Daredevil... well, what more do you need to say aside from "Ben Affleck"? I'd say there's a reason why there haven't been any sequels yet. You may be unhappy with it, but Superman Returns is a phenomenal success and an amazing tribute. There will be a sequel and it will also rock. The bottom line is: there are about 49238 comic titles out as film now. A small handful of failures will NOT kill the entire movement. That's ludicrous. The ones which don't find an audience disappear and will perhaps reemerge after being properly retooled. The ones you don't like which don't get revamped clearly must've found an audience which doesn't include you. Get over it, rent a digital camera, and make your own. I'll go see it if you don't suck. lol
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Here's an advance plot outline: Aquaman finds out that an old lady lobbed a trillion dollar necklace into the Atlantic and then spends 2 hours searching for it amidst the wreckage of the Titanic.
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Tim Story's poor direction is the thing holding it back from been great.
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this project is doomed. Count on it.
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Superhero films died for quite a while because DC decided to flood the theaters with B-Movies and Batman shit the bed. Marvel is definitely running a parrallel.**** FF, X-Men3, and Blade (all 3) were B-movies. We'll see about Spiderman3 but I don't want another repeat. In the comics Peter Parker often times had a blast being Spiderman. It was a fun comic.***** I don't know where you are getting your Superman info from but the thing cost $250 million and it has stalled. It may make $200 million and recoup the rest (including marketing) overseas. The studios are dubious about making another large investment if the first film just breaks even. Thye superhero momentum is over.
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if a director with an actual vision was hired. Everything about the original FF was ho-hum, from the sets to the acting (with the possible exception of Chiklis) to the special effects. For the Surfer to be anything but ludicrous onscreen will require nothing short of brilliance on the part of Tim Story and his effects team. This is why FF2 will suck, possibly more than the original.
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Abe Sapien will be playing The Silver Butthole Surfer and the butthole he will surf is Jessica Alba's. This is now officially confirmed by Fox. I know its popular and in vogue right now but I don't wish to add any gay jokes.
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It's my not very credible intuition that Hellboy has built such good buzz during its run on cable that the sequel is sure to do much better than the first, which never quite made its money back domestically. Kind of like Terminator, which did amazingly well for its budget; but nowhere near the number of people saw T1 in theaters as saw T2. This guy and DHP were great as Abe - I like how judderman put it. superninja, supposing he got more screen time in #2?
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Sure. If they gave Abe a personality transplant. See, Abe is not a weirdo. He is funny, affable, and not anti-social like Hellboy. The only reason they made him into the nerdy eunuch was they wanted to put Hellboy with Liz and make the non-character newbie his sidekick. That ain't Abe. The only reason I don't hate Hellboy as much as Superman Returns is solely because of Perlman's performance.
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Well, liked the character in the movie; my only major complaint about the whole thing was its incredibly brazen use of product placement: http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hbppdh7.jpg
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Lethal Weapon, but with monsters. What's funny about Hellboy is that, HB, Abe and Co. are so casual about the weirdness all around them. You should read the books, they're great. Very atmospheric (another misstep the movie made, I might add). The characters really deserved better. Perlman delivered, and that's about it.
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The you kinda have a problem with Mignola. He did art design, produced, wrote, and even acted in the thing. Lethal Weapon as a template is certainly a good observation (I pictured him more as a Mike Hammer myself), but evidently the very creator of the character feels differently.
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For that gorgeous blond from that funny Hospital show on CBS(or is it ABC). And no i`m not talking about Scrubs. And an older competent, more charismatic actor. Like David Duchovny.
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Get with the program man.
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