July 14, 2006, 12:39 a.m. CST
July 14, 2006, 12:40 a.m. CST
Is Gaius dead? That would improve things. But get the show in space again and make it so that it no longer sucks. Boy, after the first half of the first season, this show just went tits up.
July 14, 2006, 12:44 a.m. CST
I have the place to myself.
July 14, 2006, 12:45 a.m. CST
before somebody else shows up to call me a bastard?
July 14, 2006, 12:46 a.m. CST
Smart move, that. Let's abandon this talkback...
July 14, 2006, 12:47 a.m. CST
I guess it can't jump ahead that much, unless these people age really well.
July 14, 2006, 12:50 a.m. CST
I AM a bastard.
July 14, 2006, 12:51 a.m. CST
But I hope we get more Bill Adama than we did in 2.5 and less of the Lost-esque focusing on one character per episode. This show is at its best when its an ensemble effort.
July 14, 2006, 1:15 a.m. CST
Largely wasted in his episode but still ...
July 14, 2006, 1:38 a.m. CST
I'd just like to extend a big F U to whoever decided to release season 2 on DVD in 2 parts. I was very new to Battlestar and jumped at the chance to purchase season 2 so I could watch it and BAM I only got 1/2 a season for 40 dollars, and am now expected to spend another 40 or so to get the rest, it's a little ridiculous that there was no indication at all that it was only 1/2 season. FU*K IT ALL
July 14, 2006, 1:40 a.m. CST
yeah it says 2.0, but seriously, to a new/casual viewer that does not indicate that another equally sized set will be released soon after. I'd love to see someone try to defend this, becuase it's clearly greedy and taking advantage of those who weren't completely familiar with the series. (who are btw a big part of the DVD audience) FU*K THEM.
July 14, 2006, 1:51 a.m. CST
I followed the show a lot, so I knew that 2.0 was just the first half of the season but I can totally agree that it wasn't completely obvious. It would have been much better if they put something on the box like episodes 1-10 or anything to make it clear it was half a season.
July 14, 2006, 2:26 a.m. CST
...and I would die a happy camper. Am I the only one o think that cartoon had ENORMOUS potential, and would benefit from a reimaginig that links better the three parts, expands a bit more and also recover some of the deeper plot from the original japanese series (like protoculture realy being a primigenial culture, and not some hocus pocus energy/plant/invid food)? Mhh... perhaps if Transformers succedes some exec finds interesting the combination of refugees, interstellar wars, ensemble cast with all sorts of relationship conflicts and the posibility of a rentable fanbase already there and the always lovable merchandizing. Oh! and about Galactica, what a great show... when will the third season begin? Just hoping that by jumping so much in time they don't accidentay jump a shark ;)
July 14, 2006, 2:29 a.m. CST
at least I'm hopeful. The show did get a bit dull the second half of last season, but I think that fans complaining will help them get their act together. I blame Herc. All that "Greatest show on TV" stuff gave some people a big head.
July 14, 2006, 2:45 a.m. CST
... as it did take 3 completely unrelated Japanese anime series (Macross )and completely rewrite them with new dialogue to link them all. To quote wikipedia "Robotech is a story adapted with edited content and revised dialogue from the animation of three different mecha anime series: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber Mospeada. Harmony Gold's cited reasoning for combining these unrelated series was its decision to market Macross for American weekday syndication television, which required a minimum of 65 episodes at the time (thirteen weeks at five episodes per week). Macross and the two other series each had fewer episodes than required since they originally aired in Japan as weekly series."
July 14, 2006, 2:57 a.m. CST
I know that recipe, Shan: Get three unrelated mecha-based japanese anime series, chop 'em in tiny bits (don't forget to remove the gory parts), add some protoculture and "presto", you have your 'Anime a la Maceck' of a series. I myself was once one of those 'hang him, for destroying the anime' ind of guy. But having seen the originals, growing over 30, and distanced myself from fanatism, I've came to apreciate Frankentech for its own merits... if made more cohesive, I think it could really expand into something interesting... but not with Maceck behind it.. I've readed some of his ideas for original plots and they REALLY suck... Sentinels was like wasabi on the crotch: unberable.
July 14, 2006, 3:02 a.m. CST
but even so, I thought if anyone out there didn't know, they might be interested to know. I remember being quite surprised when I first found out. Also I was slightly confused when you talked about protoculture and the deeper themes of the original. I thought protoculture was just an invention of the new Frankenseries and that you were referring to it as an element of the old. Of course now I know for sure that's not what you meant ...
July 14, 2006, 3:25 a.m. CST
This sort of extremely lazy storytelling ("OK, we've run out of ideas -- let's jump a YEAR into the future! No -- TWO years! Then we'll just gloss over all that pesky exposition and character development that was bringing us all down!") is just the sort of thing that deep-sixed all my one-time favorite shows: X-Files, Buffy, Veronica Mars, etc. ad infinitum. John Rogers was right - most showrunners have only a certain amount of fabulous story ideas and plot points - and then by January of the first year are ready to blow their brains out.
July 14, 2006, 3:53 a.m. CST
by The Wrong Guy
All that mumbo-jumbo they talk? Jesus-Christ-Almighty! I've seen portions of Stargate and those shithouse Star Trek shows. How can anyone seriously enjoy this shit?
July 14, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST
At first, I had absolutely zero interest in a BG re-telling, and mocked those who thought this would be worth a damn. And, of course, I was wrong. This show has turned out to be a monster, and I am so pleased that other people think as much. I've never been more pleasantly surprised by a show, and I expect more great things this season. BG...wow...what a revelation.
July 14, 2006, 6:39 a.m. CST
AnnoyYou: Star Trek and Stargate hamper themselves with the techno-babble and endless exposition. BG frees itself with quality storytelling, challenging analogies and rich character development, which always wins out in any dramatic genre.
July 14, 2006, 6:50 a.m. CST
Seriously, add in Xena and its off the charts on the hottie-0-meter. And don;t tell me the ladies don't dig the dudes on the show, hell I bet other dudes dig the dudes on that show.
July 14, 2006, 6:54 a.m. CST
Shouldn't he be Ultrawoman?
July 14, 2006, 7:07 a.m. CST
BSG IS the best show on TV. A science fiction show that almost transcends the genre. And I would say BOLD storytelling. (Oh, and those that bought Season 2.0 thinking it was the whole season need to get a clue. It's your own fault you didn't pay attention.)
July 14, 2006, 7:19 a.m. CST
I absolutely LOVED Season One. Yeah, I have some nick-picks about it, but overall it was high quality programming. Season Two was very hit-or-miss. It started out weak, dragged out the "Arrow of Apollo" plot for far, far too long and didn't even give any decent resolution to it. Then it dragged on for awhile until "Pegasus". This was the point I thought the season was going to kick into high gear....and it did for awhile. "Pegasus" and "Ressurrection Ship 1&2" were on par with Season One quality. Then came the stupid ass "miracle cure" episode where Baltar discovers that Type-O blood can cure breast cancer! (Wonder why Type-O Blood doesn't do the same thing on Earth?) If that wasn't bad enough, we get handed a heaping pile of "Black Market" and "Sacrifice". "Scar" was decent and "Captain's Hand" was superb. "Downloaded" was little more than Ron Moore confessing that his new BSG was more Blade Runner than anything else (where else have you head the term 'skinjob'?). Then the 2-part finale was just plain god-awful. I mean, it made Season One of Next Generation look like fucking Shakespeare. After that finale, the Return of Bobby Ewing twist that killed Dallas looking like a stroke of brillance! Just love how they drag most of two seasons along to cover 9 months post-holocaust and then, once Laura is not going to die, Moore uses it as an excuse to just ahead a whole fucking year....and then just ahead more early in Season Three. BSG is in a hole right now. A nice, deep outhouse quality hole. Now it's up to Moore to decide whether or not he's going to pull BSG out of that hole before fans start shitting in it.
July 14, 2006, 7:21 a.m. CST
Been awake 20+ hours. :P
July 14, 2006, 7:27 a.m. CST
I hate SciFi that makes up new lingo for stupid things (like Star Trek and original Galactica did), but I give this new Battlestar credit for not doing that crap. Unfortunately, a LOT of geeks out there have moaned and groaned about it. People in BSG wear suits (not colored PJs like Star Trek), there is not 'Captains Chair' or viewscreen and there is practically no 'tech' talk. They mostly use plain English when talking about anything that comes up in the show.
July 14, 2006, 7:58 a.m. CST
episode 3.8 is just an hour of Grace Park nude rubbing herself down with decontamination gel. Any confirmation to that ?
July 14, 2006, 8 a.m. CST
really? if it is, then it's an incredibly compelling one. but then, i don't understand anyone who describes season 2 of BSG as "hit and miss". for me, season 2 was stronger than season 1. indeed, i reckon 'downloaded' was one of the finest episodes of any SF show.
July 14, 2006, 8:34 a.m. CST
by Kid Z
... Because I'm a FRAKKIN' CYLON!!!
July 14, 2006, 8:51 a.m. CST
Just in my opinion, a sharp drop off in the quality of episodes in the second half of Season 2. The rot started with Epiphanies (2.13), which had spent more than 20 episodes building up to this moment and bungled it with a ludricrous deux ex machina cure, 2.14 - which totally wasted the use of Bill Duke and was quite superfluous, not to mention an out of thin air character reversal on someone who was meant to be Cain's stabilising influence in the previous 2 episodes, 2.15 - wasted a golden opportunity to create a recurring villain (Scar) and show a character paying the price for their underserved overconfidence, 2.16 - just a totally retarded way to write Billy out, 2.17 - why is it that there are so few people available with any level of competence outside the main characters? 2.19/2.20 - Season Finale was certainly no Kobol's Last Gleaming. Never quite understood why they used the time to build up their military strength especially since the military had a lot of autonomy in such matters regardless of what the President thought. Instead they're totally caught out.
July 14, 2006, 9:03 a.m. CST
I find, I don't care much. Can't wait for more B to the G.
July 14, 2006, 9:17 a.m. CST
I can't understand how anyone can think Season Two is stronger than Season One. Season Two was such a disaster that the premire date for Season Three was pushed back over three months soas to give the writers more time to work on scripts. Season Three was originally supposed to have started this month (along with all the rest of SciFi's line-up). And the amount of bickering amongst the characters has gotten to ridiculous that it gives me a headache. These people are fighting every day for survival and they argue about the lamest things you can possibily imagine! Then there is the lack of the Cylon side of the story. We get a hint of it in the early episodes of Season One, but then almost nothing happens (except a movie theater scene) until "Downloaded". And then there is the lifting of scripts from other shows. BSG has already lifted scripts from various Star Trek episodes, Space: Above and Beyond and even unused original BSG scripts. If you read "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" you'll see a LOT of elements lifted from that book. There is a ton of scenes in which characters play "Who's the Android". And, yes, there are many copies of the same model as well (Pris and Rachael were the exact same model, for example). Now, at the end of Season Two, we have pretty much just gone back to the miniseries. Ron Moore has said in interviews that he regrets not writing anything about the occupation of Caprica in the miniseries....well, guess what? He's found a way to go back and do it....and bring the entire story to a screeching halt at the same time. LOL. Season One ended with me excited about the premire of Season Two. Season Two ended with me saying, "Who cares?". I'm rooting for the Cylons now. :P
July 14, 2006, 9:24 a.m. CST
And what's up with only 20 episodes? BSG needs to have a 52 episode season if not a 365 episode season. Ok, I know that'd only lower the quality. Let Ron Moore oversee some "re-imaginings" of other franchises. Let's see what magic he can work with something like "Gilligan's Island" or "The Brady Kids" ;)
July 14, 2006, 9:43 a.m. CST
Yep, I've been waiting since the first DOCTOR WHO U.S. broadcast talkback to say that. Karma, baby...Karma.
July 14, 2006, 9:57 a.m. CST
Because of work I generally don't get to watch TV shows on their original run so I Netflix a lot, which I did for season 1 of Battlestar and liked it so much that I went out and bought 2.0, not knowing it was 1/2 a season. how exactly did I not pay attention? It says nowhere on the box that it's only 1/2 the season, it's just poor marketing that takes advantage of casual viewers like me.
July 14, 2006, 10:06 a.m. CST
...I'm not a frakkin' cylon, I'm not... Oh, well... OK then... still cracks me up :)
July 14, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST
Hey man, I can understand the work thing, but since you obviously have time to post here you also have time to hit up scifi.com/battlestar and do some frakkin research. The box says "Season 2.0" not "Season 2". And so what? BSG isn't worth $80 per season?
July 14, 2006, 10:19 a.m. CST
Season 2 was every bit as good as season 1 if not better. And I loved the season 2 finale. I didn't expect it and can't wait to see what they're going to do next.
July 14, 2006, 10:24 a.m. CST
touche on the point that I have time to post here. It just never occured to me to do research on a DVD set, I mean, is that the first thing you think to do when you buy a DVD? Anyway, $80 for a season is a little steep, I will probably just Netflix 2.5, but anyway, point taken. I was just peeved that the contents of 2.0 were not clear.
July 14, 2006, 10:40 a.m. CST
during the second season, specifically the latter half. It seems now they are heavily emphasizing character drama and overall "bleakness" over plot and story. I just can't connect to the stories they are telling now.
July 14, 2006, 10:47 a.m. CST
Then change the frakkin channel.
July 14, 2006, 10:57 a.m. CST
After the masterpiece that season 1 was its hard to believe that it goes downhill so fast. Or are ACINers just being the ususal negative lot. I'll see I guess. Also whats with hate on Gaius. His storylines was so brilliant and fascinating in the first season. "I am the hand of God."
July 14, 2006, 10:58 a.m. CST
I borrowed the DVDs from a friend, and then downloaded the second half of Season 2 to view the rest. I probably will not, in fact, watch Season 3 on initial run, I'll watch Monk.
July 14, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST
And personally, as a colonist I would have elected him president. And you know what, I thought settling down on that planet was the best decision for the colony. And I think Roslin is a bitch.
July 14, 2006, 11:07 a.m. CST
where do you get this shit? seriously, do you make it up or is it just a transmission that you get via your tin foil hat? all this crap about cylons are ripping off philip k dick reminds me of those whackjobs who claim the matrix was based on an old episode of dr who. pull your head out yo ass already.
July 14, 2006, 11:15 a.m. CST
Go on, flame me!! This show has consistantly suprised and amazed me with its storylines and characters. Season 2 was fantastic with the menange a trois of Pegasus and Resurrection Ship 1 & 2. Then it produced Downloaded which just blew me away. Last time TV suckerpunched me so hard was Buffy season 6. When Warren finally goes nutty and Willow turns to the dark side. That was the best TV ever. peace out.
July 14, 2006, 11:31 a.m. CST
on cliches like "transend the genre". Feel free to contribute your own candidates for banning.
July 14, 2006, 11:42 a.m. CST
You got it wrong- the hour is Linda Park rubbing Grace Park down with decontamination gel.
July 14, 2006, 11:44 a.m. CST
by Silver Shamrock
especially coming after the string of weak filler episodes in the second half of S2. It was just too jarring to flip the entire show upside down (can't believe they ran out of ideas that soon) and give everyone bad hair. Instead of the plot moving forward, they lost all the ground and momentum they had gained over 2 seasons and then some. It was such a momumental regression that it's no wonder people get frustrated and lose interest.
July 14, 2006, 11:50 a.m. CST
I don't care what anyone else says, Season 2 was great, and I loved the ending. I can't wait to see the new season.
July 14, 2006, 12:03 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
Is it better than Season 1? Hmmm...maybe. It certainly doesn't suck and it solidified BSG as the best show on television. There are some low spots, the stand-alone episodes are usually fairly dull, but most of the time it was excellent. Scar, Captain's Hand, Downloaded, and the two-part finale really ended the season well. It took me about a week to finally comes to terms with the season finale, and I mulled it over in my head for quite some time and it's pretty clear to me know that it was nothing short of brilliant. There are so many possibilities now, I'm going out of my mind waiting for Season 3. Oh, and even most of these jaded AICN talkbackers have warmed up to the finale. Go check the talkbacks back when it aired, a good 75% of the place was enraged. I don't think I've heard "jump the shark" so much in my life. Then the critics chimed in and almost universally loved it and everyond actually gave it some thought instead of sticking with their initial knee-jerk reaction.
July 14, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST
by Brock Samson
The problem with Season 2 is only in the weaker middle section of the second half of the season. The first 12 epsiodes and the final 3 were fantastic. The finale was incredible and very, very bold. The acting, effects, and writing are still top-notch. This is a sci-fi show that isn't afraid to take risks.
July 14, 2006, 1:05 p.m. CST
Should I read this... oh man... I don't know if I should read it...
July 14, 2006, 1:12 p.m. CST
First season - 13 great episodes. Second season - 15 mediocre episodes, 5 great episodes. Moore even admitted he wasn't happy with the second half of the season, then stepped in to get 3 great episodes together at the end. The jump forward in time was needed to get the show out of the rut that it was in. What I hope is that by 3.5 the fleet are away and back in the GREAT position the show was in around 1.10 (Hand of God was a fucking great episode).
July 14, 2006, 1:46 p.m. CST
... is that it's somehow their fault that you're a pisspoor buyer who didn't even look at the packaging long enough to notice there were 10 episodes in it? Shit, just think of it as a season and a half of a British TV show, with a bonus episode thrown in. $40 for 10 hours of entertainment... compared with the price of the average two-hour movie on DVD, tis a bargain.
July 14, 2006, 2:06 p.m. CST
Solid points, Shan and your
July 14, 2006, 3:28 p.m. CST
by Col. Klink
I'm thinking (sadly, because I love this show) that the long hiatus has killed this show's momentum. Add to that the "One Year Later" finale, and a possible "? Years Later" Season 3 and this show has totally lost it's narrative track. What a shame. There IS such a thing as trying to be TOO clever.
July 14, 2006, 3:44 p.m. CST
...was just as strong as Season 1, overall. Were some eps weaker than others? Well, sure - it's written by humans, not Cylons, fercryinoutloud and they can't hit a home run every time. But overall, there's not a better show on the tube and that's a fact. It's flat-out amazing what they're able to do on a basic cable budget and time restraints. It should have had an Emmy nomination for best dramatic series; that's just a travesty and one more reason why the Emmy's can't be taken seriously anymore. Now, all that said, does anyone have any info on whether or not they'll release a "combined" season 2 DVD set, maybe by X-mas? Anyone? Herc? HERC??
July 14, 2006, 3:57 p.m. CST
Dude. It's all good. And yes, I always do my research before I drop $$ on anything. Especially on DVD nowadays. Try going to the Digital Bits (thedigitalbits.com) or DVD Active (dvdanswers.com). Both are great resources.
July 14, 2006, 4 p.m. CST
...on people with the handle Regenhund. Sorry. Couldn't resist. What's wrong with "transcends the genre"? It's a good way to describe something that does.
July 14, 2006, 4:24 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
I signed up for the Battlestar Galactica Mastercard.
July 14, 2006, 4:34 p.m. CST
And I really hated the Miracle Cure. I thought it went against everything the show is supposed to represent. It was practically a betrayal of the show's principles. But even with all that, I can't call Season 2 a disaster - there are 15 really good episodes there, and Season 1 only had maybe 10 or 11 really good episodes. I think a lot comes down to whether you bought into "One Year Later" or not - I thought it was great. But if you thought it was the suck then I can see how that would pretty much blow the 2nd half of the season for you.
best show on tv
July 14, 2006, 5:08 p.m. CST
was not a problem IMHO. How flashbacks are used to help us catch up in Season 3 is a concern for this fan. BSG can be compared to an Emergency Room for a devastated civilization. Well, imagine if on the show
July 14, 2006, 5:46 p.m. CST
meant to say "DE's interview..."
July 14, 2006, 5:52 p.m. CST
by Bob of the Shire
I agree, that was probably my biggest disapointment in the entire series. It did throw Gaius' motives into question at the time. And the writers have mentioned introducing a plot thread involving her Cylon blood. Who knows where that would go?
July 14, 2006, 6:29 p.m. CST
...I just scored a BSG Season 2 Emmy set that includes all 20 episodes (letterboxed--not anamorphic widescreen unfortunately). You'll find them on eBay still, I think. I've been watching everything over and over again and absolutely love the last episode. Love the Cain stuff, too.
July 14, 2006, 6:30 p.m. CST
This'll come up again. I can taste it.
July 14, 2006, 7:32 p.m. CST
I could have bought the jump ahead in time if it wasn't for the weakness of the season that led up to it (not to mention the weak finale as well). I was extremely forgiving of the slow, overlong "Arrow of Apollo" story arch, but Moore didn't follow it up with anything really solid until "Pegasus". Then they were on a roll until the Miracle Cure episode. And just when I thought this was the weakest episode of the season, along came Black Market. They did at least two really, good episodes after that, but it wasn't enough to salvage the season. And I was personally disgusted with the sheer number of times they used the "flashback" gimmick. It was cool in "Act of Contrition" in Season One and it was ok in "Ressurrection Ship pt2", but to see it keep popping up after that was just too much. Seems like Moore and Company have been watching too much "Lost" (when they should have been working on their scripts!)
July 14, 2006, 7:40 p.m. CST
Someone posted above that Season Two is better because it has about 15 good episodes vs 11 good episodes in Season One. Did you consider the fact that Season Two is 20 episodes long vs Season One being 13 episodes long? This means that 75% of Season Two is considered "good" (using your numbers) vs 85% of Season One being considered "good" (again, using your numbers).
July 14, 2006, 7:42 p.m. CST
Yeah. Season 2 was not as good as season one. Still, it was better than other stuff I watch on tv. I hope that this upcoming season keeps the show going. Looking forward to it.
July 14, 2006, 9:04 p.m. CST
I should have said Season 1 and best of Season 2 had a minimal use of the flashback device. You are correct in that LOST does not compare to BSG. BSG is a better show so borrowing from LOST would not necessarily be an improvement.
July 14, 2006, 9:29 p.m. CST
If the miracle cure does come up again, it should be accompanied by Roslin's prophetic role that had been a major and enjoyable story arc. The legendary elements were handled well and provided a dynamic undercurrent.
July 14, 2006, 9:52 p.m. CST
July 14, 2006, 9:54 p.m. CST
You know watching the pilot miniseries again, I remember that Boxey was in this show and that his Dad was like Six's first victim. What the hell was the point of that and what happened to the kid? He seemed to follow Starbuck around a little which was kind of cute/sad considering he had no family and she's both cool and nuts. Considering he was Apollo's adopted son in the original, and with all the Father/Son shit happening on the new show, it's very sucky that they haven't done more with that. I'd have preferred it over Apollo's lame fight with Bill Duke (and seriously, if you make a fight with Bill Duke lame then you've got to reevaluate what you're doing) and stealing that guy Billy's girl and getting him killed. That was some messed up "what the hell do WE know about relationships" writing for the show, considering that Billy/Dee thing was sacred (or should have been) after the "they've got to start having babies" scene. They writers are great, but not perfect. They're still making psycho Baltar fun to watch, and of course the Xena, Six, Boomer stuff should be every other episode. But I think they've lost some of the show's heart along the way. If the Chief's pregnant wife dies, then there will be no hope left at all. Hope is important, and you need to have characters left who are worth the proteting and delivering at the end. Billy, Dee, and Boxey were three, but now one's dead, his lover no longer worthy, and the last is forgotten. That does not bode well.
July 14, 2006, 10:51 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Had great moments, great episodes and an ambitious ending that if paid off correctly could set up the show for real greatness. I love this show, and I can't wait for season three to start. However...season two was not as good as season one, primarily because for most of the season it was not nearly as fearless. Exhibits for this case? 1. Roslin being cured. 2. Starbuck not killing Caine/Adama not ordering the killing. 3. Starbuck's arc to make her softer, which was forced and rushed. In the case of 1 and 2 the fearless nature of season one made the moments work because we believed Roslin might die and Starbuck would kill Caine, or at the very least Adama would order her to. Season Three will not get the same benefit until and unless we see evidence that the fearlessness of season one still exists.
July 14, 2006, 11:52 p.m. CST
I was always mystified as to why after the first episode of Season 2 rated 2.6, it immediately dropped to 2.0 and stayed there, in fact deflating further to as low as 1.6 by the latter half of the season. I could possibly understand if the fall over the first half of the Season being gradual if for whatever reason it wasn't connecting with the audience over time but I'm still a bit puzzled by the immediate plunge that happened. Scattered (2.1) was a reasonable start to the season and had a promise at the end of Cylon mayhem and yet the show falls to its lowest ever ratings for 2.2 (Valley of Darkness) and never recovers. Anyone have any theories for this immediate drop and then continued fall? I know Sci-fi shows all took a hit over the last year but I think Galactica had the biggest. The only other thing I can think of is that the screening dates of Season 2 didn't overlap with any Season 1 episodes.
July 15, 2006, 12:02 a.m. CST
Bloody Mallory fan, that was you right? Also, I found the whole sequence with Adama asking Starbuck to kill Cain very odd, since it was sending her to certain death. It wouldn't be unreasonable for the Pegasus command staff to think someone who'd just shot their CO was a Cylon agent and then shoot them dead accordingly. This following scenario couldn't have happened as it would have ended the show but it would have been 'funny' if both the Pegasus and Galactica command staff had been simultaenously assassinated. Because seeing what everyone would do next would have been fascinating (probably a lot of headless running around).
July 15, 2006, 2:28 a.m. CST
stuff actually happens on BSG unlike the too slow pace of Lost.
July 15, 2006, 4:50 a.m. CST
Here's something I'd like the writers to explore, which would resolve what I hated about the original Galactica. Don't set it in our present, set in far in our future. The colonies are just that: colonies settled by Earth sometime in the 24th or so century by some religious group looking for peace and tranquility. The colonies are nothing more than farmers on 12 planets, all within a few lightyears of each other. Over a period of several thousand years, these farmers eventually become tech savy and rediscover how the FTL drive works, about 300 years before they should have. You see, the folks who formed the colonies along with religion, left a working FTL. Over the years after the colonies were first formed, they colonists forgot how it worked. It took maybe 3000 years to get the population back where they could finally use the FTL, discover the other colonies, form a goverment, create the Cylons, have the war, and finally end up where they are now. So now, using only myth, they are setting out looking for Earth the so called 13th colony. Three things they do not know. 1) Earth is now more or less a heritage site, no one really lives there. The human race has spread out to other galaxies. It's still habitable, and you have maybe a few million people who act as care-takers. 2)The human race has evolved into creatures more like the Cylons, although quite a bit more powerful, and much less bloodthirsty. 3)One human has the task of checking up on the human colonies every ten years or so (humans now have life-spans of around 700 years or so). He or she has just discovered the bombed out colonies. She takes off looking for the suvivors. She is quite upset with the Cylons. She has signifcant armage.
July 15, 2006, 5:23 a.m. CST
seriously, the arguments you present are the worst: "why didn't caine kill adama", "i didn't like it how they had a flashback", "starbuck's hair is too long". as for disliking the miracle cure? what the fuck you think would happen? she'd die of cancer? morons.
July 15, 2006, 10:15 a.m. CST
The shows pulls a gutsy 180-degreee-turn-plot-twist by having the fleet settle on New Caprica, and what do some fans complain about? That the show has gotten stale. ummmkay. Anyway, they'll resume running in space after 4 or 5 episodes, so what does it matter? Some of the finale's far-fetched plot devices bothered me, but it was good overall. As far as the rest of Season 2 goes, it had some hit and miss episodes, but what do you expect? It's a "mostly-realistic" series set aboard spaceships traveling through space without any aliens, time travel, technobabble, or other common sci-fi crutches (thankfully). As such, the writers need to mix it up or they'll run out of ideas. More to the point, while season 1 was more consistent, most of season 2 and 2.5 were of the same caliber and are still far far better than any other dramatic sci-fi TV series I've ever seen (Firefly rocks too, but only because of its awesomely amusing dialogue... its stories are often completely unbelievable and - with a few exceptions - aren't anything special).
July 15, 2006, 12:45 p.m. CST
I'm just pointing out that in terms of the raw minutes of quality show presented, Season 2 had more than Season 1. In addition, the bad episodes in Season 2 are almost all stand-alones that you can drop out of the season arc, so if one chose to do a "Phantom Edit" of Season 2, it would be a heck of a season.
July 15, 2006, 12:57 p.m. CST
I thought it was the cylon blood that cured her? Anyone remember for sure?
July 15, 2006, 1:43 p.m. CST
I not the spokesman for the others, but most posters re: Season 2 "issues" ARE viewers of the show (you can tell by the detailed knowledge of the episodes). I'm a film snob, but I really like the show. I just want it to keep up the elements that made it great - LOST style flashbacks, Starbucks new man arcs, and the other Season 2 stand alones (good point Fluffy) are not it. I read that Moore/Eick don't want to be heavy handed about the "mythical/legendary" elements(I agree. I like the realism.) so IMHO balancing Season 3's serialized arcs with stand-alone's which explore the mythical/legendary aspects of the saga should work well in terms of what makes the show great. Look at the "problematic" season 2 shows. Most were lacking the mythical/legendary elements.
July 15, 2006, 2:23 p.m. CST
if you have to make excuses for liking the show, then you're not a snob but an idiot.
July 15, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST
The reason it's been pushed back is b/c of post production issues not writing issues. With the pressure of airing all episodes without breaks, they've taken these extra months for editing and effects purposes. There were times previously where they'd get the actual tape (finished cut for tv) in the hands of the network the day it's supposed to air, turning it in "by the skin of their teeth" if you will. That's straight from the horse's mouth. The editing process for this show is more difficult b/c of the mass amount of footage shot per episode, due to improvisations, etc.
July 15, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST
My comments were fan-based "Constructive Criticism." Have you ever heard of that? From your remarks, it's clear you haven't. My comment about being a "film snob" was made in a sporting nature. But you probably don't know what that is either. Get some exposure, dude.
July 15, 2006, 4:42 p.m. CST
by Silver Shamrock
check the deleted scenes.
July 15, 2006, 5:05 p.m. CST
i take it back: if you have to make excuses for liking *any* tv show, then you're a bloody idiot. but then you seem the pretentious type. mythic/legendary much?
July 15, 2006, 5:31 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Wow. You remembered that I liked Bloody Mallory. That was a long time ago. Do you remember it because you liked it or thought it was that bad? Anyway, if you loved the first season I don't know how you could be a season two "hater". I didn't like the second season as much as the first, true, but I still liked it plenty. Back to you, Shan. Yeah, Starbuck getting offed a second later is a likely outcome, but being overpowered and imprisoned is on the table too, and even escaping in the chaos is a remote possibility. I guess the best way I can put it is that an awful lot of season one felt like a cinematic event and in season two it didn't as much. The last of the season rescued a lot for me. Somehow the ending of the season, which seems to bother so many people, was the best thing about the season for me.
July 15, 2006, 9:27 p.m. CST
Get a grip.
July 15, 2006, 9:43 p.m. CST
I know it's unlikely, but I'd still like that a lot. The break in season 2 made me revisit the first half of the season a little too much and I realised how much it sucked compared with season 1. Season 1 was an amazing season of television. They won't ever beat it with a 20-episode quota. They just WON'T!!
July 15, 2006, 10:13 p.m. CST
In the article that Herc refers to above, David Eick says that there will be a one month break in Season 3, following a mid-season finale.
July 16, 2006, 1:18 a.m. CST
No, actually I really enjoyed Bloody Mallory, it had some great twists in it and I really thought the Pope's speech on his election, you can't help but feel he was saying what a lot of people in the Catholic Church are probably thinking. Saw it a second time with friends and for some reason, I didn't seem to like it as much but I always look at how enjoyable a film is by the viewing I most enjoyed, even if a later viewing, I don't like so much.
July 16, 2006, 3:13 a.m. CST
Baltar seems amazed when he comments that the Cylon baby's blood has no antigens. Antigens is what makes blood A,B or AB. The absense of antigens means that the blood is Type-O. Thus, Type-O Blood is the "Miracle Cure" that destroys the cancer. This also is a giveaway that the Cylons and Colonials will eventually interbreed and form the modern human race, seeing as Type-O blood is extremely common on Earth.
July 16, 2006, 3:22 a.m. CST
I haven't heard anything official, but I would assume that there will be a break roughly between Dec 15 and Jan 15. This is very common in television because of the holidays. People travel, visit family and do other things non-television related. So studios don't even try to lure the audience in (for the most part) because of this. Will the break be longer? Who knows? I've given up trying to make any logical sense of out anything SciFi Channel does in recent years.
... are up their own asses. *yawn* Seriously, dude, if your main criticism of season 2 is its lack of episodes with 'mythic/legendary' qualities, then why do you season 2 haters have such a problem with the miracle cure in 'ephiphanies'? not mythic enough? maybe too mythic? by contrast, what was so 'mythic/legendary' about season 1 episodes like 'tigh me up, tigh me down' or 'water'? you might think you come off as smart on these talkbacks, but you sound to me like some teenager whose just read joseph campbell.
July 16, 2006, 10:12 a.m. CST
by Rapmaster C
I loved the finale of season 2, and I hate that people are writing it off as a lazy storytelling device. Is it lazy, or are we just not used to TV shows taking a risk like that? I say wait and see how it's handled in season 3 before judging it. I think it opens up a lot of interesting possibilities. I have faith in Moore. Also, enough with the "Get them back in space!" stuff. If anything, this is a refreshing break from the space journey. It's only for a few episodes - nothing to get alarmed about.
July 16, 2006, 10:22 a.m. CST
... it would seem to fit better in our future in terms of evolutionary theory, lack of spaceship parts and transistors in archeological digs, a millenia old holographic projection showing constellations as seen from Earth as we see them *today* but somehow, I doubt I will be that lucky ...
July 16, 2006, 2:38 p.m. CST
As I recall, the fact that cylon blood is a Universal Donor wasn't the CURE, it just made the transfusion possible. Some other aggressive-disease-fighting-whoosits quality to the blood is what cured the cancer (for now - bwah hahaaa)
July 16, 2006, 4:28 p.m. CST
one day, one day...
July 16, 2006, 7:07 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
I'm sewing the finishing touches of my BSG BDU uniform together for ComicCon. That's right, the manly art of sewing......geez I'm such a nerd.
July 16, 2006, 7:24 p.m. CST
Yes...I said it...Galactica is a failure!!! Despite all of its great critical reviews...the new Battlestar Galactica is a failure in the ratings...having lost nearly half its audience since its debut...the show continues a steady slide in its ratings!!! Why? Well...for the same reason the original show began to slide in the ratings. The show's premise is asking us to love and adore heroes who through their own arrogance...find themselves at the brink of destruction. Hardly a point of sympathy for viewers...and quite frankly...it's depressing!!! However, at least one could sympathize with the characters of the original show...as they only made a tactical blunder during a negotiation for a peace treaty with the Cylons...a race of robots, created by an advanced Reptilian race, who they later turned against and destroyed. But in regard to the Galactica re-imaging, the Colonists created the Cylons...and thus the instrument of their own destruction. It's kind of like us with the nuclear bomb...if we destroy ourselves with the genie we have unbottled...why should any unlooker feel sorry for us??? Try as you might...you can't feel sorry for a race of beings who bring themselves down with their own technology. It's a indirect form of suicide (death by misadventure)...one that is leaving the viewers without a chance to cheer for the Colonists. Adding to that, is the fact that you can't respect a hero that is in full retreat from the enemy, every week!!! It's a built in flaw in the matrix of the series!!!...That, and...well, let's face it...The Cylons are the good guys here...at least in the form of the reimagined version of the show. Yes...I said it...the Cylons are the heroes!!! The Cylons believe in one God...while, the Colonists are a sinning group of pagan worshippers. The Colonists rape and torture prisoners. And the truth is, they don't have a real democracy...but a pretend one. They in fight... warring against themselves at every turn...While the Cylons, on the other hand, respect each other. In fact, they even seem to treat their prisoners better. And while the Cylons reincarnate after death...there almost seems to be an active atheist view point shared by the Colonists. Although they worship gods...they don't seem to believe in spiritual deliverance...a point of contention which the Cylons seem to be trying to point out to the humans...but they are missing the message!!! Yes, the Cylons are the heroes...and the Colonists are the villians here... metaphorically or otherwise, and the viewers that have been tuning out know it!!! After all...who can really root for imperialists...whether they are the Bush administraition, or their science fiction incarnation which has come to us in the form of Adama and his crew of conformist intergalactic non believers???!!!
July 16, 2006, 7:44 p.m. CST
The original series was set in the far past...and dealt with the idea of anchient astronauts visiting Earth!!! This idea was born from the documentary...Chariots Of The Gods...about actual forbidden archeology going on...on our planet which may reveal that our origins are not what we think!!! That we may have originated from beyond the stars. Go to enterprisemission.com and review some very interesting information about ruins on Mars...and links to Pyramids in anchient Egypt and all around the surface of our planet.
July 16, 2006, 8:42 p.m. CST
... but you could be forgiven for thinking that they are after watching the show. What should be an instant disqualification from hero status, (namely nuclear extermination of 99% of the human race and hideous genetic experimentation on the rest), instead they're continually portrayed in a favourable light while the worst possible slant is put on the Colonials. If both sides were presented as being more ambiguous in their actions, I would prefer that (Cain a case in point, seemed to come across as a cardboard cutout meglomaniac). Understandably, I could see how the current situation could be put off with the Colonials parallelling the West and the Cylons the enemy of the free world - and the repeated message seeming to be that the Colonials are the bad guys.
July 16, 2006, 9:13 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
Two posts. The first revealed that you're carrying around a lot of baggage. The second revealed that you're not smart enough to open it. As for your insano take on Galactica, don't care, each to his own. But the Martian ruins stuff and all the Von Daniken eighth grade archaeology? Read some big kid books and then file that behind the Bermuda Triangle in your great big cabinet of things you outgrew. And if you are in the eighth grade I apologize and let's pretend I didn't mention it, because you'll figure it out on your own soon enough, and it'll be fun enough to think about to be worthwhile until you do.
July 16, 2006, 9:16 p.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
Oh, I can't wait for the new season to start and shut you the frak up.
July 16, 2006, 9:48 p.m. CST
I'm a big fan but I have been worried about the steady deflation of ratings over Season 2 because the lower you go, the greater the risk of cancellation. I really hope the climb back up from all time lows at the end of the season keeps going.
July 16, 2006, 9:59 p.m. CST
... the climb back from the all time lows during Season 2 which had already started before the end, keeps on going.
July 16, 2006, 10:02 p.m. CST
For all of you nay sayers out there, in regard to the anchient astronaut theory...it has been championed by enterprisemission.com's Richard C. Hoagland. A respected scientist who worked as a subcontractor for Nasa, and colleague of Carl Sagan (not a little kid's researcher by far). Hoagland also acted as Walter Cronkite's (CBS New's) personal science advisor for the moon missions in the 60's and 70's. His research is unimpeached and and quite astounding on the subject of possible ruins on Mars. Mr. Hoagland is considered to be a whistle blower and a hero among the astronaut corps at Nasa. Now, on to other matters at hand...as far as Galactica's steep ratings slide is concerned...nobody, not one of you, has addressed that. I expect more from you Mr. Nice Giaus and Red Neck Lynch...You're both starting to fall asleep on the job!!! And Shan...come on, admit it...even you find yourself rooting for the Cylons every week!!! We all know that the Cylons are the heroes...that's Ron Moore's whole point...but you're all in denial about the truth, which is sitting in plain sight for everyone to see!!! Welcome it!!!
July 16, 2006, 10:25 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...only insofar as they function to keep a program I like on the air. Up to a certain point, expecially considering the critical acclaim the show as received, diminishing ratings wouldn't bother me. In addition, I think Battlestar Galactica should have a limited (4-5) season run anyway. Whether earth is reached (or it is conclusively proven that it never will be) mid fourth season and the rest of the show deals with this, or if the same happens at the end of season four and season five deals with it, stretching the show farther than that would probably be a mistake. And given that season three was comprised of another 20 episode order (the second in the history of Sci-Fi, the first going to a show called...oh yeah, Battlestar Galactica) I feel at least one more season is pretty darn certain. So, ratings dealt with. You can go back to watching American Idol now. I hear it gets very good ratings. Every contestant believes in one God, has never foolishly built a robot race that turned on them, and love Democracy. Oh damn, the Cylons are here!
July 17, 2006, 1:21 a.m. CST
Anytime there's a favourite character game on imdb, I vote against Boomer and the rest. As much as I like the show, I do wish they'd give us more opportunity to make up our minds instead of beating us over the head with who to cheer and and who to heckle (especially Cain as a prime example). My hope (which will never happen, I know) is to have an episode where the Pegasus jumps into the lower orbit of the Cylon Homeworld and lay waste to the entire surface with nuclear weapons while Colonial Ground Troops gun down the surviving latte quaffing wannabe yuppies. All to the backing theme of that song by Blur whose name I can never remember but goes "Woohoo" a lot. After all, if we're going to be made out to be monsters anyway, might as well do something monstrous.
July 17, 2006, 1:28 a.m. CST
... I don't mind the mechanised Cylons, they just go and do whatever it is they have to do, they don't spend all day talking about it. What's still a mystery is how the Cylons used in the original war rebelled, especially if what is said is true about the Centurion models aren't sentient. There would have had to have been a more advanced intermediate model between the Centurions and the humanoid models that we haven't seen yet. I think it would be quite ironic if the present Centurions overthrew their organic leaders because ... well they seem to have turned out as a bunch of crazy religious fundies and for all we know, behaving in a fashion not unlike what lead to the original revolt against their human masters in the first place.
July 17, 2006, 6:30 a.m. CST
by Rapmaster C
It's interesting that you can see the shades of grey within the show, yet you still choose to interpret things in a black and white fashion. How on earth are the Cylons, those guys who almost exterminated an entire race, the "heroes"? Yes, the humans have their shortcomings - that's the whole point of the drama in Galactica. These are flawed characters fighting to survive. They aren't bound by some good and wholesome ideaology about the betterment of mankind like in Star Trek (and I am a Trek fan, by the way). They're simply trying to ensure that "mankind" continues to exist in some fashion, and thus such a large undertaking requires decisions and actions that can be interpreted differently. That's the whole appeal of the show for me - the fact that there's very few characters that aren't screwed up in some way, or haven't made some sort of error in judgement along the way.
July 17, 2006, 7:30 a.m. CST
First of all...the drum music score for the new Galactica is off putting. They should really use the original full orchestra Glen Larson score here for the opening credits. And placing repeats of the show on Saturday nights, as NBC has done several times already, is just foolish. Saturday television is a ratings dead zone, and during summer months...the type of audiences that you might want to tune into Galactica are at the movies, attending sports events, music concerts and or are out at parties, on dates, etc. They are not at home watching television. The best time, day/night to reach them...is on Tuesday and or Wednesday nights, between 8pm and 10 pm. With shows like Do You Think You Can Dance? on during the summer, and American Idol on during the fall, winter and or spring months...it's the perfect slot for NBC to try some major counter programming attempts on its own air waves. And instead of running another re-run of another show...The NBC network should pre-empt such programming to run a block of Galactica for several weeks during the main fall, winter and spring tv season. It is the only way to truly test whether this show is sea worthy or not. They might even think about shooting and airing an original Galactica telefilm specially created for airing on NBC instead of just simply re-airing old shows which have already been aired on The Sci- Fi Channel...Again, the main purpose is to gage whether there is a stronger, more sizable audience out there for Galactica. Look...if you've already seen the tv pilot of the show and other episodes on the Sci-Fi Channel...or own the first and second seasons on DVD box sets...why would you or your family and friends tune into NBC to watch past aired episodes of the series that you've viewed 3 or 4 times already? The answer is simple...you wouldn't!...Hence, the reason why the NBC effort to draw more audiences through cross promotional re-use of the Galactica episodes is failing to attract new viewers to the show over at The Sci-Fi Channel!!! Also, I can't allow the American Idol comments to go without mention. The reason why Fox is doing so well with that show is clear...they know how to hype their crown jewel series. If you are sitting in the position of The Sci-Fi Channel...you've gotta be smart enough to pull off similar tactics. Why not run a contest giving audience winners a chance to visit the set of the show? Or offer a million dollar prize for call in viewers during the critical ratings sweeps periods? And finally...NBC, needs to book cast members of Galactica on programs that it owns like...The Today Show, The Tonight Show...with Jay Leno...Conan O'Brien, The Carson Daly Show...Access Hollywood and Extra...during ratings periods, as often as possible in order to hike interest in the new Galactica...This, in addition to getting some serious bookings on other major network talk shows, morning shows and news magazines...From David Letterman to Howard Stern, TRL, Jimmy Kimmel and Good Morning America!!! The failure of NBC/Universal to attain these kinds of (high awareness) talk show bookings is what cost Joss Whedon's Serenity at the box office. Not one of their cast members was booked on any major talk show...And to be accurate, they weren't booked on any lower tier talk shows either!!! And even though I am one of Ron Moore's harshest critics, I have to admit that I am also perplexed about Galactica's ratings slide. But, I know full well that the show's reps and The Sci-Fi Network haven't as yet gone all out, guns blazing, on the promotional side of things...and that's Galactica's biggest problem!!! Many people who might watch, aren't...because it's going under their radar!!! If you fail to reach the increasingly scattered audiences out there, that have fled to late night tv, the internet, video games, etc., you are dead at the starting line even before you've had a chance to run the race!!!
July 17, 2006, 7:45 a.m. CST
Galactica is turning into Star Trek's Mirror Universe, where everyone is screwed up and evil...well, except for The Cylons. They're not evil...they just cleansed the ground like God did by flooding the Earth. The Cylons are no more genocidal maniacs than God himself...They like God, are the good guys trying to save us from ourselves!!!
July 17, 2006, 7:49 a.m. CST
Metalwater is Spider-something-or-other from the Cinescape board. He has an increasingly bizarre and unhinged hatred of new BSG and posts endlessly about it's failure. When he has no web discussions to join in, he sits in his room rocking back and forth screaming "LARSON IS GOD< DEATH TO MOORE" until his carer straps him to his bed.
July 17, 2006, 8 a.m. CST
I know of Spider from the imdb boards and he's never even close to as complementary as Metalwater to the new show. Then again I might be wrong.
July 17, 2006, 9:35 a.m. CST
by Jar Jar 4 Prez
and then it started getting good sometime in season 1. Season 2 was the best yet. I'll keep watching. Shit, it's infinitely better than Stargate SG-1, even though it's not 5% of the show that Farscape was.
July 17, 2006, 9:44 a.m. CST
Actually...I'm not Spider, whatever his name is...The guy has some good information but hogs the message boards with facts he repeats all the time!
Then stop trying to validate your existence by trying to convince others through factors you cannot influence. As if a single person on here is going to say "You know what, I loved BSG but after reading that guys posts I can see I was full of shit, and now I hate it. Curse me for being so blind and stupid."
July 17, 2006, 11:01 a.m. CST
No one's listening to your lameass ideas about show promotion. The reason why the new BSG works so well because it is unique and doesn't repeat the same tired, mainstream studio crap. It takes risks - it's dark, and it's intense. It's unique among sci-fi (starwhat?) and among television. I don't want it on NBC - it would just be watered down. They can keep shows like Surface. You want the orchestral score? Watch the old BSG. That would be totally out of place on the new show. The battle drums score (and the rest of the music) is excellent and very fitting. Frankly, I could care less about ratings as long as Sci-Fi doesn't pull a Farscape on us (canceling the show on a cliffhanger). But lacking the puppets and makeup of Farscape, I can't imagine BSG cost as much. So leave our BSG the frak alone!
July 17, 2006, 12:21 p.m. CST
Gorrister, you're being obtuse. Obviously the blood cure was due to something other than it being Type O.
July 17, 2006, 12:23 p.m. CST
MetalWater: The original series was not set in the far past (the Galactica's observatory picked up a transmission of the Apollo moon landing at the end of an episode). As far as the rest of your good-and-evil rant goes, your judgmental and dismissive posts about the show's "shades of grey" realism are filled with inaccuracies. Go back to watching Saturday morning cartoons... BSG has too much depth for you.
July 17, 2006, 1:03 p.m. CST
can't hurt and would likely bring in more Season 3 viewers IMHO, especially if Olmos, McDonnell, Park and Helfer were booked. It should be done close to the premiere though.
July 17, 2006, 1:12 p.m. CST
It may not be customary, but booking Eick and Moore may work because of the Xena, Star Trek TNG/DS9 connection. The Leno interview about re-imagining the show would be worth it.
July 17, 2006, 2:12 p.m. CST
I am assuming the ratings drop was actually created by the dropping of SciFi from basic cable in several top markets in the States. Many cable markets bumped it into the digital tiers. Reason enough why *The 4400* and *The Dead Zone* remain on sister channel USA Network instead of SciFi.
July 17, 2006, 4:43 p.m. CST
cheesefest. They did use the original theme in the mini series as the news theme on the cheesy FOX-esque TV. Class way to acknowledge then bury the original, which is where it belongs. In the ground.
July 17, 2006, 6:08 p.m. CST
I'm not trying to flame you here, but nothing other than the blood being Type-O was mentioned in that episode. But you could be correct. I mean, the writing in that episode was so extremely weak that the writers probably just said, "Lets get her cured now and then try to think of some half-assed, Trek-esque, technobabble excuse for it later on." This episode is a perfect example of why I say the quality of Season Two is so much lower than Season One. Granted, this wasn't the only bad episode (unfortunately), but it was certainly the worst (yes, it was even worse than Black Market, if you can believe that). I honestly don't think the writers know where this story is going anymore. Lets hope the extra time they've been given helps them with the writing quality. ;)
July 17, 2006, 6:12 p.m. CST
But disagree about Season Two. ;) I've often said that I could have easily edited out an hour of the miniseries and greatly improved it in the process. If anyone watches the miniseries with an unbiased, critical viewpoint, it really creeps along at a snails pace. Very little happens until the final battle at the end. We barely even see Cylons up until that point. Most of the first hour is over-long character introductions and petty bickering. I could probably edit even more than an hour off of it, but I admit it would be a bit more difficult to do without creating plot holes.
July 17, 2006, 7:27 p.m. CST
Guys, it's a good show. A damn good show. In my eyes, it's great - becasue I make sure that I don't miss an episode. It's one thing to be critical but some of you guys have gone off the deep end. Take a moment to step back and breathe the show in fellas. The concept of re-imagning it comes in many different ways - from mood, to music, to character development. As for Sci-Fi, this is, IMHO, the best show on TV right now. Please be happy that the chick who's running Sci-Fi right now isn't fucking with the show.
July 17, 2006, 9 p.m. CST
I find it interesting that none of you wants to accept any constructive criticism (advise) on saving Galactica. We've tried things your way, and the ratings keep dropping as a result! Let's take the new Galactica score for instance...I could actually sequence that whole score on my drum machine in less than 5 minutes...and I'm not joking!!! The score is a simplistic snore fest and you know it!!! And the show itself needs a major injection of humor...It's too dark for its own good. Even among real military people there is a morose and macabre sense of humor...used as a (sort of) mental coping tactic during times of great stress. Galactica has none of that. There are no lite moments that give the audience a chance to feel good...not one bit. I refer you to the films Jar Head and Mash to illustraite what I mean. There has to be some real hope conveyed to the audience that things are going to get better for Galactica, her crew and her fleet...That, or audiences will continue to tune out on the series!!!
July 17, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST
To: Deloch...As far as the so called moon mission scene...that you referenced...that was a red herring. As you may know, the Galactica ran into the Earth like Alliance forces once before...and assumed that they were from Earth...well, they were wrong. Likewise, the seeming moon landing shot was placed at the end of another episode to make audiences question whether this was footage from Earth or some place else...Yet another Earth like culture perhaps. It was meant to stay a mystery as to its source...not meant to be a definitive answer. As I pointed out....the original Galactica is set in the far past...this, according to its creator Glen Larson himself. If you don't believe me...Google Glen Larson's name. You'll find that I am telling the truth. Now...if you know anything about physics...you also know that, in theory, the crew of a ship moving faster than light speed, or faster, will enjoy vastly slower time measurements than people living on a planet. Hence, during a long space journey, like that which the Galactica is experiencing, thousands of years would have gone by on the Earth. Meaning, we may have been living in the age of the pyramid construction in Egypt when the Galactica was forced on its journey toward Earth, in the first place. Some believe that the pyramids date back 10 to 20 thousand years or more. Check your science facts before you criticize someone next time!!! You were too easy to destroy!!!
July 17, 2006, 9:35 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
You take a close-up shot of Olmos' face. Then selectively highlight certain areas of his craggy dermis so that it appears canals, possible ruins, even odd alien faces appear there. Print them, then sell the results to the Weekly World News (you might get five dollar apiece) along with your theory that EJO's face was colonized by a race of ancient actors who guided Olmos through his early role in Blade Runner and are ultimately responsible for the reimagining of Battlestar Galactica. Is it stupid? Sure. But it's still a better use of your time than what you're doing here.
July 17, 2006, 9:57 p.m. CST
Get it through your little head. We're not buying the cheese you're selling. We (BSG fans) like the non-stop drama and tension. If you want humor, watch Farscape and Firefly. Those were pretty funny. Actually, I think Gaius is pretty funny, which makes him more disturbing. And we don't care about ancient astronauts or some Chariot of the Gods ripoff. We watch it for the human drama, the characters, the commentary on war, terrorism, racism, social ills, etc. If you want pyramids, watch Stargate. That show sounds more your speed.
July 17, 2006, 10:44 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
How else can you logically explain the similarities between Olmos and Beat Takeshi? These guys were born thousands of miles apart. You expect me to believe that they somehow developed independently into the same taciturn, expressive yet stone-faced actors? And Skarsgard, on yet another side of the world? That's three sides so far, right? The signs are there, the science is strong for those with eyes to see.
July 17, 2006, 11:24 p.m. CST
I had a feeling that something was going on with the ratings because all the sci fi programs on the channel took a hit with general falls across the board. Mind you, I am still troubled by the fact that the ratings fell from episode 1 Season 2 (2.6) to 2.0 for Season 2 episode 2 (so suddenly) and there they have remained so far. Interestingly enough, the lowest ratings for the show so far seem to be the episodes I like the least (I didn't like most of the episodes post Epiphanies inclusive) but that's probably just a co-incidence as opposed to any general consensus on quality.
July 18, 2006, 1:30 a.m. CST
Your collective elitism concerning Galactica and your refusal to accept others ideas, about helping to improve the show's ratings, are ultimately going to cause Galactica's eventual cancelation if you keep this up! Back to the anchient astronauts debate! Glen Larson, the original Battlestar Galactica's creator, wrote the show about anchient astronauts... that's the truth, whether you like it or not!!! A fact that you failed to counter, which tells me that you took my advice and Googled his name...and what you found on your net searches proved all of my points...that's why you refuse to directly address it, other than to make insults. And in repect to the Weekly World, well my friends, you are watching a show about people from another solar system being chased by robots across space...and you are attacking me about anchient astronauts???!!! Get off the crack already...hypocrites!!! Let's stop with all the anger here, and let's get back to coming up with some good ideas to try to save the show!!!
July 18, 2006, 4:21 a.m. CST
I haven't paid too much attention to this thread to know what your exact position is on the new BSG. The tone of your critical analysis makes me think you really don't want to, as you put it, "save the show." It seems you are knowledgeable about the old BSG, and I would guess, a fan of the old show. Not that there is anything wrong with that. The old show is the inspiration for the new one; give respect where it is due. But to get to the point of my question: are you an old school BSG fan, but 'dislikes' the new show?
July 18, 2006, 10:07 a.m. CST
by Mr Nice Gaius
Dude, here is a hint - the old show = done. It's over. The new shoe = alive and kicking ass. There really is no comparing the two in terms of approach, tone, and character development. The sooner you get that through your head, the sooner you will no longer appear to be a total fucking jackass. Otherwise, you are just jamming up our bandwidth here.
July 18, 2006, 10:08 a.m. CST
what is that exactly? Is that some word you made up for one of your hobbies? Your assessment of new BSG as a 'show about people from another solar system being chased by robots across space' pretty much shows that you don't really watch it. Or that you have but you haven't paid attention or your simple mind doesn't quite grasp the themes or what the show's really about. Old BSG was cheesy space opera - fun when we were kids (well at least when I was a kid - for you, probably last week), but ultimately empty, whereas new BSG works on an amazing amount of levels. It's an adult show about adult themes. The 'other solar system' and 'robots' thing is just the foundation, but it's not what the show's about. If elitist means that one show is deeper and more intelligent than another, then guilty as charged.
July 18, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST
as an addendum, stop with your 'save the show' bullshit. For you, 'save the show' means turning it into the old show. BSG doesn't need saving - it's doing just fine, thank you. There's even a spinoff in the works. Go away now.
July 18, 2006, 12:46 p.m. CST
... we don't even have the secound season here in South Africa yet and you guys are looking forward to 3!!
July 18, 2006, 6:33 p.m. CST
I am the only one here who has offered solutions to Galactica's ratings slide problems. And although I have asked for all of you to contribute workable ideas to help boost the show's ratings, save for me alone...not one of you has discussed an original idea that can help save the show...that's not bullshit on my part...that's reality! So enough of your accusations! You guys aren't true fans of this show...Clearly, you'd rather see it cancelled than allow it to grow!!!
July 18, 2006, 10 p.m. CST
I still don't know what your position is on the new BSG. I guess there is nothing left to discuss. You expose yourself for what you are: a troll. Go ahead and post a last word if you must to feel big. Just give your rants at www.colonialfleets.com from now on. They actually BAN any mention of the new BSG. Its the perfect playground for grownups like you (I assume you are an adult; it would be pretty retarded if you are a literal kid obsessed with the old BSG)).
July 18, 2006, 10:57 p.m. CST
...looked good, especially the one with Baltar.
July 19, 2006, 12:28 a.m. CST
I refuse to address any of you posters anymore on this Galactica thread...because you don't know your subject...making you just plain vapid. so much for talking to a wall!!! From now on, I'll keep my comments focused where they count...The Sci-Fi Network and the show's producers. One method of improving Galactica's profile would be to include free episodes of the new Battlestar Galactica on DVD movie releases of Universal Studios films. Picture a free Galactica episode being offered on the selection menu of the DVD release of say...King Kong...or The 40 Year old Virgin, Jurassic Park and its sequels, etc.---but then again...there I go...makin' too much sense once more. Why listen to me?...I may just turn this show into a hit after all!!! Now wouldn't that be interesting? Damn I'm good!!!
July 19, 2006, 1:34 a.m. CST
...looked good, especially the one with Baltar shouting "Shoot. I am begging you to shoot me!" The show is great when they deal with what's going on in his head and it's impact on everyone else.
July 19, 2006, 10:09 a.m. CST
July 19, 2006, 10:11 a.m. CST
If old BSG was about ancient astronauts, then how do you explain Galactica 1980 then ??? And it was continuity / canon with cast members returning and the "Return of Starbuck" episode sealing the deal. Sorry, not ancient !
July 19, 2006, 7:54 p.m. CST
Dude...try reading my posts for once!!! If you are a member of the Galactica's crew and you are leading a rag tag fleet across space at light speed, or above light speed...according to the rules of physics...time moves slower in space...especially at theoretically high speeds such as the above mentioned light speed or faster than light speed rates of space travel. In other words, if you are living stationary on a planet...time moves much faster... like on Earth for instance. Thousands upon thousands of years would have past by on Earth during Galactica's journey to our planet. Hence, if the 13th colony that Galactica is searching for crash landed on Earth (the so called anchient astronauts) ...they may have built the pyramids based on their own culture's technology...or what was left of it (thanks to the crash impact). Something that Galactica Creator Glen Larson has hinted at. His viewpoint is that the Battlestar Atlantis crashed on Earth in anchient days...and the survivors settled Earth as best they could...absent much of their technology, which was lost in the crash that brought them to Earth. I think you'll remember the story thread in Galactica 1980 that explored the fact that Galactica's crew were not fully adapted to Earth's environment...thus they could only have limited exposure to our atmosphere. Now, since the same type of physics would apply to the crew of the Battlestar Atlantis, which settled on Earth eons before...then most, if not all, of their survivors must have died thanks to the problems trying to adapt to Earth's atmosphere without the assistance of their high technology, again lost in the crash of their ship. I would assume, based on this, some of them must have mated with a human like populace that already existed on Earth...our anchient ancestors, who would have assumed these anchient astronauts to be gods. The pyramids were built by these dying colonists to mark where they arrived in anticipation that others of their race may someday journey to find them. As you may know, the most sophisticated technology fades over long lengths of time...Have you ever seen an abandon bridge or building. In just a short period of time, without constant up keep, they begin to fall apart. With that in mind, there is something that tends to last under harsh conditions and over long durations of time...and that is stone!!! This, the reason why the Atlantis survivors built the stone pyramids before their demise. Two more things to note...according to Galactica 1980...the normal life span of a Colonial compared to a Earth human, is at least two hundred years of age...However, on Earth...that would have been diminished...once again, thanks to atmospheric conditions on Earth that are different then those on the 12 Colony worlds. enterprisemission.com has authored similar theories about why pyramidal structures, that as I have said may have been raised by a highly evolved society. In that regard, it is important to note that the pyramids, according to scientists, are the most advanced structures ever built...In fact, so advanced...that our finest builders and scientist can not replicate them today...and we are sending manned space craft to the moon and probes to other planets, moons (several probes have even been sent out of our solar system)...That, and humans have created the nuclear bomb...but despite all of that progress...technically speaking, we still can't build a pyramid to the exacting specifications that are exhibited by the pyramids in Egypt. And you may recall...according to the anchient Egyptians...the gods, built the pyramids...and after the gods left (perhaps died)...it became the age of the Egyptian Kings (human pharaohs) who attempted to model themselves and their culture after the gods, extraterrestrials, they had encountered. I believe the original Adama...was 200 years old. BTW...Adama stands for Adamu...(an anchient Earth people. This is where the name Adam...as in Adam and Eve, originated) for further information on this...google Glen Larson...check out enterprisemission.com, and or check out The B0ok Of Genesis in The Bible...look for the passages that refer to the fallen angels who found human woman fair and mated with them...thus producing a new race...The Nephilim (spelling?)...It's interesting to note that some believe that blood line is alive to day...and is shared among those who we call Blue Bloods...Royalty...Aristocrates...and other world leaders as well as captains of industry, etc.
July 20, 2006, 1:02 a.m. CST
Go to--- http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/science/ nature/5196362.stm---You will find an article on a meteor that impacted Anchient Egypt, creating a special glass that scientists can not identify...one that may not be of this Earth. King Tut wore a necklace carrying some of this mysterious glass. The article was filed with The BBC Wednesday, 19, July 2006...ironic considering where this conversation has turned. Further the story revealed that a large area of about 300,000 square miles was wiped out...and any populace that lived in the impact area. Was this a meteor impact...or something else? Perhaps the arrival of something...like a space craft?